Guest guest Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Vinay Ji, Good to read your posts on this thread. Would love to hear your views and thoughts on the Mayan Calendar which is a topic of waxing and waning interest on Internet as we inch towards December 2012. Pretty immediate future, temporally speaking. Some say that it is all a hoax and the date is not a fixed one. Thanks in advance for your contribution to this topic. RR , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > Prashant Ji, > > Maya culture was wiped out as a " culture' , but all the people were not exterminated. It is another matter their language was killed and they are taught to call themselves Mexicans and not Mayans. > > There is no way to cross " 13! " by even a single number. 2011 Census is not far away. > > One millenium of muslim and British rule was a period of gradual decline of India, which continued even after independence due to errors in system : India's share in world economy declined from ( well over 20% in 1800, 11% in 1884) 3% in 1948 to nearly 1.5% by 2000 AD. Muslim rule broke our power, but British rule broke everything. But this phase is now over. > > -VJ > ========================= === > > > ________________________________ > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > Wednesday, May 13, 2009 12:07:28 AM > Re: Re: World Population : Saamkhya explanation ; Rationale of World Dominance > > > > > > Vinay ji > > well the Mayan civilisation like many others were wiped out by crusades. [shucrh spread by the sword on the blood of many lakhs of people] so most native, ethnic elements were razed to teh ground PN OAK has written a good work to show that there is no palace, temple, monmument pre-dating christian times left standing anywhere in the western world like how Islamic invaders did raze many such temples, palaces, monmuents to the ground be it Nalanda, Ayodhya, Somnath, Mathura, Varanasi , Halebidu, Hampi, Vizinagaram, Lepakshi, Taxkshasila, Prayag..... > > Venus part may be true otherwise also BHARATHA VARSHA was always under its own supremacy but for the 200 yrs of British rule china also enjoyed such a status and we r back to its days now. Even Islamic rulers who looted and took the wealth to West asia did not clean sweep the nation in 1000 yrs of hegomany but overall the local kings remaind Hindu, jain broadly lastly Siekhs too. some of them r variations of Hinduism in some form or other minus the rituals, idols. > > But coming back to pouplation India, china together and west asia, africa can surely add a lot more numbers and can be a mid point between 13-14th element as 13th perse looks too hard I hope to see the 2011 census show the slide if any > > this in INdia states like UP alone accounts for 40 kdeaths of Muslim women in child birth itself as they still use mid wives, don't even take pulse polieo as in both cases suspect they will be sterilized more no die due to misgivings than any natural calamity or human misadventure > > this is a BBC documented figure > like I said on Bangladesh and Iran's pouplation decline or reduction by choice. > well we welcome such moves that realise the quality aspect of human life, resources. > irrespective of their faith it is v important. > We hope polygamy itself will be banned in the entire world. > > Prashantr > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > > > Tuesday, May 12, 2009 7:30:57 PM > Re: Re: World Population : Saamkhya explanation ; Rationale of World Dominance > > Shenoy Ji, > > I explicitly named Saamkhya as the source of numbers of basic elements, and quoted Gita for the sanctity of Saamkhya. Saamkhya-kaarika of Ishwarachandra is the oldest good source book which I used. Saamkhya-darashanam in Sanskrit can be downloaded from website of Maharishi Institute of Business Managemant in USA. > > You mentio n " 5 elements + mind + soul " . It is a correct but simplified summary of Saamkhya view. Soul is not a constituent element of any type of bhautika or abhautika shareeras. hence, you are left with " 5 elements + mind " . 5 elements have 5 panch-mahabootas plus panch- tanmaatraas, totalling 10 constituents. Mind is a broad term which has two subdivisions : antah-karana and baahya-karanas, which have respectively 3 and 10 subdivisions. See my original mail which describes the 13 elements of kaarana-shareera. 5 bhautika elements like prithvi-jala etc do not accompany the Jeeva after death. These 13 elements of Saamkhya-shaastra of Kapil Muni accompany the Jeeva always, till final moksha. You use the broad term mind for all these 13 constituents, some people use the term chitta, while Saamkhya uses the term kaarana-shareera. > > Do you want me to work on individual segments of human or non-human populations ? Mayas did not disappear. they are still being westernized, slowly. Even today, Maya woman makes roti on tawaa in Indian style. But they have forgotten that they are Mayans, due to centuries of brutal and false education & c. Excepting USA and Canada, bulk of population in meso and south Americas is native, but Christianized and westernized in varying degrees. There is a neat explanation behind western hegemony in modern world according to Prithvi Chakra centred on Meru : > > In all varsha pravesha mesha samkraanti charts of the world, Sun is always exalted, which means nations falling in Leo will be ALWAYS exalted, while other nations will experience boom only when their planets become exalted. Look at the Prithvi Chakra at http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ World+Economy+ %3A+Apr+2009- Mar+2010 > > You will find countries around south Sudan and Ethioipia near Meru, whose hegemony is described even by Herodutus, and Egyptians also believed their civilization came from south. Then came the age of Egyptians, followed by Greeks ans then Romans. It was followed by Spain, France, Habsburg of Germany, and then by Britain, followed lastly by North Americans. During the 42000 years of avasarpini, as you recede from meru you find the region of hegemony. Now utsarpini has begun. It means same process will be reversed : Euro-American dominance will be followed by dominance by Near East. > > But one point must not be forgotten. Venus has a distance of 0.723 AU, which means it cannot move more than 44 degrees away fron Sun in a geocentric frame of reference. Thus , if Sun is at start of Mesha, venus can be from 316 degrees to 44 degrees. Of these 88 degrees, 30 degrees in Meena is exaltated and 14 degrees in Vrisha is svagrihi (own house). Hence, out of 88 degrees, 50% is very good for regions ruled by Venus. It includes India, China andJapan. The implication is that in the initial phase of 42000 year avasarpini phase, India dominated in Asia and adjoining regions, followed by China and lastly by Japan. Now in the utsarpini cycle, which is 36 times faster, we are witnessing reversal of trend : China is now replacing Japan, and India has also started to take off so as to realize its future role of world dominance. > > -VJ > ============ ====== ============ === > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@ > > > Tuesday, May 12, 2009 2:11:10 PM > Re: World Population : Saamkhya explanation 12/5- 87 B > > Namasthe, > Dear Vinaj Ji, > > I have been reading this with, I must admit with ammusement. Yet, Since you mentioned some intrinsic principles regarding the subject & Bhagavat Geetha, I have a doubt regarding the concept of numbers. > > It is my understanding that all beings on this earth probably except Keeda species are made up of the same 5 elements + mind + soul. If that is correct(?), are we not talking (these numbers) about all the beings - animals including human race?. > > Is there any indication in the classical works that show that these numbers mention specifically human race?. Even the Vishnu Avatharas represent the evolution from Matsya to Manushya that is reperesented by the kalapurusha by its famous & not so famous forms and is hence the essence of rasi chakra itself. So if the so many avathars like narashimha , mahisha and also Sri Rama & Shri Krisha etc represent the kalapurusha, I am wrong in saying that these numbers, which as you say is brahma vakhya (no sarcasm meant) also represent all these beings and NOT just the human population alone?. > > It is not uncommon for some race to disappear from the face of this earth like famous Mayas. Historians have been trying to fathom the reason without much success with new theories & reasons found every now & then. What in your opinion might have caused this?. It is illogical to say that abandoned their religion and were converted to christianity or islam. This is evident from what is happening to christianity or should I say Churchianity in Kerala. Christains in kerala are slowly turning to hinduism their origin. Practically all the churches have deepa sthambha and they try to mimick hindu festivals. Most of the churches are built very near to temples. Malayattur is a mimickery of sabarimala. Most of them have abandoned their traditional dressings and wear more like hindus. Even their names are hindu names. It might be clever ruse to whoo the Hindu community but I am tend to think this phenomena as a reversal of thinking. Though this is not the point of > discussion, i reffered to it only to discount the loosing a civilisation to another culture. > > This is not to hurt you in any way. > With warm regards > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > > > > > Monday, May 11, 2009 9:36:29 PM > > Re: World Population : Saamkhya explanation > > > > Prashant ji, > > > > You are too curious. I am supplying one of the reasons why 6227 millions and no other figure, on the condition that I have no time for another useless controversy. This 'reason " is rooted in ancient Saamkhya darshana, which Lord Krishna eulogized as the culmination of Knowledge ( " na hi saamkhya samam jnaanan, na hi yuga samam balam " ). > > > > There are two basic entities : Prakriti and Purusha. Purusha is pure Consciousness and intrinsically indivisible, although individual manifestations of purusha entertain illusions of separateness by dint of their bondage to flesh as a result of their past karmas ensuing from desires. Saamkhya is philosophy of the liberated souls, and therefore does not differentiate individual soul from the Universal spirit, and labels both under a single term Jna, for which many ignorant dvaitvaadins charged Saamkhya of atheism. > > > > Prakriti, on the other hand, has 23 constituents, apart from itself. On one side, it has panch-mahabhootas (prithvi, jala...) and their five tan-maatraas (roopa, rasa, gandha, sparsha, shabda). Remaing 13 elements for the kaarana shareera and are therefore called karana (instruments) . There are three antah-karanas : buddhi, ahamkaara and mana, and teh baahya-karanas : five karma-indriyas and five jnaana-indriyas. > > > > The bhautika body does not accompany the soul after death. But the 13 elements accompany the soul from time immemorial, and will continue to accompany till final moksha. > > > > It is this kaarana-shareera which distinguises one jeeva from another. Astrologers know that even twins have some dofference in their charts. Similarly, all kaarana shareeras must have distinctive features to distinguish one jeeva from other. These distinctive features are of two types. One type is proportion of sins and virtues, which are stored in the form of desires with indriyas as Gita says. Birth into human yoni is caused when sins and virtues are approximately balanced with each other. Other type of distinctive features is related to uniqueness of a jeeva within a particular yoni. Since there are 13 constituent elements of kaarana shareera which takes a body during rebirth, there can be Factorial 13 (=13!) number of different distinctive combinations of these 13 elements. > > > > To put it otherwise, a language with 13 letters in its alphabet will have a maximum number of 13! different words in its language, on the condition that all words must have all 13 elements and every individual word must be unique in the sequence of these 13 letters. > > > > 13! is equal to 1 * 2 * 3 ..... *12 * 13 = 6,627,020,800 , or nearly 6227 millions. > > > > Sequence of 13 elements, with their unique proportions of sins and virtues, determines the overall character of a person and it is something like a translation of birthtime horoscope in another language. It is the actual GENETIC code, wnich is non-physical and cannot be deciphered by biologists, but the physical/chemical/ biological genetic code is a result of this non-physical genetic code. > > > > In this sequence, if antah-karana elements take precedence and are pilots, the person will be saaatvika and pious. But if the karma organ phallus occupies the driving seat, the person will become a sex maniac, irrespective of other good or bad qualities. > > > > During satyuga, antah-karana elements took precedence. Hence, Buddhi (saatvika in-tellect capable of listening to in-tuition, different from modern Machiavellian intelligence which is actually extelligence) was foremost leader, followed by Ahamkaara and then my Mana (the egency of Samkalpa). These three elements emained fixed in sequence, and only 10 indriyas could change places in the genetic code. Hence, population was limited to 10!, or to 3,628,800 when modern sub-specie of Homo Sapiens started evolving (actually devolving) in the year 40000 BCE. > > > > One khanda-kalpa is of 43200 years, 42000 years of avasarpini (devolution) and 1200 years of utsarpini (evolution). In 2000 AD (Saura Makara Samkraanti) our avasarpini kaala-khanda ended. During its 42000 years of devolution, population and entire world history moved along a logarithmic timescale based on ten defined by terrestrial loxodrome which is the path on Earth traversed by successive eclipses during millenia. Logarithmic base of ten meant population rose by one factorial point during one point on log scale. Hence, 42000 years befor 2000 AD, population was at 10!, but 4200 years before 2000 AD population rose to 11! or 40 millions in 2200 BC which demographers accept. And 420 years befor 2000 AD, human population reached 12! or 479 millions in 1580 AD ; demographers give estimates around 480 millions. > > > > After that the curve of population growth slowed down gradually, because 13! is the Time Bomb for extinction of human race, which Nature strives to prevent through various peaceful means like rise in impotency or unwillingness to have children as well as through wars, diseases, etc. > > > > At the time of return journey of Comet Hare Paap (Hale Bopp), 4.2 years before 14th Jan 2000 AD , human population was equal to 5784634179 , given by following equation : > > > > -1! + 2! - 3! + 4! - 5! + 6! - 7! + 8! - 9! + 10! - 11! + 12! - 13! = > > > > -1 + 2 - 6 + 24 - 120 + 720 - 5040 + 40320 - 362880 + 3628800 - 39916800 + 479001600 - 6227020800 > > > > When you put these terms in a statistical Series, you get Sum = 57846 lakhs which was actual population in the beginning of Nov 1995, 4.2 years before D-day of 14 Jan 2000 AD. > > > > This population was short of 13! by 4424 lakhs. They were deviants, who deviated from norms. Half of them deviated towards virtues, or at least rejected to abide by the rules of Kaliyugi society, and the other half rejected all morality and were uplifted (or downlifted) by D-day. These 2212 lakh sinners were Doomsdayers who raised a great hue and cry over impending Doomsday in 2000 AD. Instead of repenting and expiating for their sins, they tried to save others, and went headlong to Hell which their perverted brains imagined to be Next Higher World. Hence, world population on 14 Jan 2000 was 6005827490 at the time of Saurpakshiya Makara Samkraanti. > > > > Gregorian reform changed the onset of Christian calendar from Saurpakshiya Makara Samkraanti which was Jan 1 prior to reforms in 1582 AD. > > > > 420 years before 2000 AD was a turning point in world history when 13th factorial of population unfolded, after which Renaissance finally triumphed, physical science and materialism suppressed astrology and religion, and pirates looted the whole planet to bring about an Industrial Revolution, converting farmers into labourers. > > > > When this 13th factorial was near its culmination, the last indriya upastha (phallus) became free to take leadership roles. Homosexuality was even legalized in many materially " advanced " societies. Even traditional societies became open to free sex & c, forgetting that sex was meant for procreation and not for entertainment. Scientists say Homo Sapiens evolved out of vegetarian primate stock, but non-veg diet became a norm among the majority of those who could afford, including most of the scientists. To be anti-natural in all walks of life became a sign of progress at this 13! stage. > > > > After such (carnal) knowledge, what forgivance !(-Waste Land). Extinction of in-tuition and of in-telligence, telepathy, religion, piety, innocence, etc, and consequent extinction of libido and potency as well. Human potency has reduced to half during past five decades, which is a sign of impending extinction. > > > > But nothing to worry about. The Devolutionary phase of avasarpini is over, and evolutionary phase of utsarpini has just begun. Real Pralaya is 2.35 billions of years away, and even khanda pralaya at the end of Kaliyuga is 426891 years away. > > > > If anyone thinks modern unnatural man is capable of evolving into a better specie, it is a wishful figment of imagination. Species do not evolve automatically. Mortals will never see the hands of Mother Nature, Who oversees this miracle of Evolution, which we turn into Devolution. > > > > Nine years ago, an article like this would have invited threats and > > bullets from prophets of Doomsday, but now I do not expect more than > > some mild personal remarks or perhaps abuses. So much evolution has > > already taken place during nine years of utsarpini ! > > > > I will not engage into any controversy. Those who differ will get proofs in due course of time. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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