Case studies..??How To Test Softwares : Mundane Charts

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Pankaj Ji,

 

I do not know why you are angry at me ( " Just learn to take criticism

than trying to kill the critic " .... " why do you get into negative

state " ). You are the first person in this group who have reported me,

now, that you looked at case studies put at my websites. It was

certainly a result of my complaint that people ask for more case studies

but do not care to look at those rotting at my website. Was this

complaint so offensive to call for such words as " trying to kill the

critic " or " why do you get into negative state " ?? Do you have the

sense of knowing that your words are offensive ? And you call it

" encouragement " ! Encouragement for what ? What I need from you ? Money

? Certificates ? I offer a free software, which you are free to accept

or reject. Why you are intent on putting offensive remarks in otherwise

purely astrological messages ? Do such offensive words help in a

fruitful dialogue ? How many software developrs were treated thus by you

? Why a special treatment for me ? You may feel offended if I say I do

not need your patronage. How will you react if similar words were used

for you ?

 

Now, please forget such personal things. If you want astrological

discourse, abstain from all personal remarks. I never made any personal

remark against you. My students are heads of departments.

 

Please try to be more clear. Your statement is making no sense to me :

" diffused without the basic ingredients like events, quantifying even in

broad terms, and key the rules of interpretation " . I am sure you did not

read the case studies at all. There are four individual case studies

which I wanted to discuss, and two mundane forecasts (one about world

economy and another about Indian economy).

 

There is one rainfall forecast on my weather page. Perhaps you are

referring to this page. It was sent to scientists and that is why I

deliberately hid all references to astrological houses, aspects, etc.

Hence, it lacked the " key (astrological) rules of interpretation "

according to you. Who asked you to study it ? This is an " annual " rain

forcast. It should be compared with annual rainfall data of IMD, which

has not yet arrived. They post annual data after 3-4 years (rain data

processing takes time, which is done at IITM, Pune). Your other charges

of " diffused without the basic ingredients like events, quantifying even

in broad terms " also seems to refer to this page, perhaps.If IMD

quantifies its forecasts as 90-100%, 100-110%, it is quantified. If I

express same tgings as " normal, above normal, etc " , I am diffuse and

without quantification. IMD forecasts have five quantitative categories.

My forecasts do not have less number of categories. Essentially, both

have same degrees of quantification. IMD predicted 93% rainfall, I

predicted 98%(+-2%). Actual rainfall was slightly more than mine,

although total annual figure is still not known to me (They post annual

data after 3-4 years). Yet, IMD is OK, and my work is " diffused without

the basic ingredients like events, quantifying even in broad terms, and

key the rules of interpretation " . IISc scientists discussed my forecasts

and then called me there. But you find the whole " format "

unintelligible. It is because you expected an astrological case study at

a wrong place which was intended for weather scientists.

 

I am not sure whether your commets are about this page or anothe. Hence,

your comments are " " diffused without the basic ingredients like clarity

of expression " . Take my words positively, and write more clearly so that

I am not left at guessing what you meant, and avoid personal remarks of

any sort.

 

You are wrong in saying that only one hour is needed. The forecasts on

weather page takes two days to prepare. Suppose India falls in a good

house whose lord is debilitated in 8th house, and four other planets

have full aspects or are placed in that house, how will you quantify the

amount of rainfall according to standard rules of BPHS ? Do you realize

the problem ? Yet, there is a solution. You have never seen my

astrological rain forecast, whicg is very easy to analyze. I did not

post them at webpages because I found everyone is wasting my time over

history or philosophy instead of studying case studies. Since you seem

to be interested in rainfall studies, I will put as many rainfall case

studies as possible. I hope you will forget all personal things about me

and talk pure astrology only. Whether I am a negative or a positive

person should not be reported at public fora, you will not like such

comments about you.

 

-Vinay Jha

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, " Pom " <pankajdhar wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. Jha - I trust I have generally been very respectful and

earnest in asking for the case studies( as the situation demnds

generally)- and two times you have agreed(BTW- I or any one is not

demanding).

>

>

>

> Just learn to take criticism than trying to kill the critic...NO one

generally has time to go against you or any one..

>

> The case studies presented by you are fine, but a formatted

presentation would win you more people- they currently to me appear very

diffused without the basic ingredients like events, quantifying even in

broad terms, and key the rules of interpretation(now a request-kindly no

philosophical dereliction on this..)

>

> It should be a simple 1 hour effort for you...If you need my help I am

there- but I will ask you the same question about events,quantum(like

heavy rainfall..) and your rules of interpretation...

>

> I am not sure- that despite positive encouragements- why do you get

into negative state.....

>

> now if I am incapable..I don't know software...should not distract you

from doing the right things..From day one a basic doc is being asked

for..with the format discussed... & ..am not sure why do we get into

bylanes....

>

> You can deliver some value and I am for vedic technologies- that is

the reason I am still optimistic..You being a MONK, I expect even more

optimism...as going to GOD head should mean funeral of all sorrows ( I

am not making fun of you..so plz..)

>

>

> I hope it explains..

>

> This time you can e mail me the data/case studies at pankajdhar

>

>

> Take care,

> Punkajj

>

> , " Rohiniranjan " rohini_ranjan@

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Vinay Ji,

> >

> > You have expressed a lot of doubts and misgivings in your message

and other postings too, earlier.

> >

> > Please do not waste your time in reaching out and placing your

efforts on Internet.

> >

> > As you have stated earlier, several times in different fora, you

have discovered nothing new, and also that promoting SS or proving its

utility is not your life's mission, which has many higher and different

and higher spiritual goals.

> >

> > Then why a detached, dispassionate individual like you is so

passionate about this software and method etc and cannot walk away from

it all? All the abuse and distraction that you get dragged into and all

these people that you say are trying to shut your voice down and so on.

> >

> > Why would one so knowledgeable and dedicated to higher causes as

your postings indicate that you are and someone who just 'knows' things

at times and knows how long he is going to live etc -- Why would one

continue to return again and again to the matter of this software and

your hard work and valuable use of your time and not be able to just

walk away and focus on this book that you told us about you were

writing?

> >

> > Which writer or researcher in ANY faculty, science or non-science

first polls the future readers and gets their assurance before he starts

doing or writing down the research etc?

> >

> > The true pleasure and sense of accomplishment should arise from

simply writing what one believes in and must not be based on 'others' or

how they perceive your work or worth!

> >

> > Kuch jyaada bol gaya, Sir, to bhool chook leni deni!

> >

> > Modern human psyche is basically very paranoid, and full of

disbelief because it has survival value in our daily reality. Come

morning most of us must return to the concrete jungle and the harsh 'dog

eat dog' reality and rat race! If someone suddenly tries to switch the

paradigm, they will meet with resistance!

> >

> > So, please do write but only if you can do so with happiness in your

heart and not worrying if someone will read every word you write, no

matter how important and personal to you, or even understand the words

or say, " Thank you Jha Ji for writing " or whatever.

> >

> > Please try it, it works ;-)

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , " vinayjhaa16 "

<vinayjhaa16@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > To All :

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Some members have demanded case studies. I am ready to present

case

> > > studies on internet provided they are read seriously and my time

is not

> > > wasted. But I need to clarify some points in this regard.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I used to send annual rain forecasts to 615 weather scientists

each

> > > year, but this year I have not been able to do so although mesha

> > > samkraanti elapsed one month ago. Case studies and biographical

analyses

> > > are secondary in my list of priorities than to a full English

version of

> > > Kundalee software. I made this software in Hindi, and translation

into

> > > Englisg was started recently. So far , only divisionals and

varshaphala

> > > have been translated. What is the use of case studies if the

software is

> > > incomplete in English ? Six months ago, I put 5 individual and

some

> > > mundane case studies in English my website in addition to nearly

70

> > > mundane case studies in Hindi attached file, but nobody was

interested

> > > in mundane studies and individual case studies were neglected

because I

> > > followed the BPHS + Jaimini rules of death prediction which does

not

> > > work with physical astronomy. Many members want case studies

which

> > > could support their right or wrong belief in physical astronomy.

When

> > > they see Suryasiddhanta is working well with phalita rules of

Rishis,

> > > they either drop discussion or revert to tactics saying BPHS is

not the

> > > only method ! It is not honesty. BPHS is the only complete

textbook of

> > > phalita jyotisha propounded by a Rishi. When I saw some people

wanted

> > > case studies I presented such studies, 7 of them, but then they

dropped

> > > discussion without pointing at my errors or merits. I became

convinced

> > > they were not serious, hence I stopped making more case studies. I

left

> > > contributing to mysticboard, for which these case studies were

> > > originally prepared and were later put at my website.

> > >

> > > In the meantime, due to a lapse of my technician, some wrong

version of

> > > DLL files were attached to my software which created installion

> > > problems to nearly 15-20 persons. I had to completely reinstall my

> > > Windows OS as well as software making platform Visual Studio and

had to

> > > recompile Kundalee afresh. I have rectified these version

differences,

> > > and the current version of Kundalee is fit for all versions of XP

and

> > > Win98.

> > >

> > > These problems were augmented by my mundane other problems and

> > > assignments. I will present case studies when I get leisure,

because I

> > > am sure 7 case studies rotting at my website are not being studied

by

> > > those who want more case studies. The proposal of 10 case studies

was

> > > originally from Mr Pankaj Dhar whose language was a proof of his

lack of

> > > interest in my work : he said it is " my duty " to prove my point

and

> > > therefore I should present 10 case studies comparing results of my

> > > software with those of other. Why should I try to prove other

software

> > > makers wrong ? Will it not make all of them hostile to me? I said

I will

> > > increase the number of case studies but I will not compare my

results

> > > with those from other softwares : after this Mr pankaj Dhar lost

> > > interest in my work. At present you are the only person who is

demanding

> > > case studies. Why 7 case studies presently at my website since Dec

2008

> > > cannot be regarded as " case studies " is not clear to me. I will

need

> > > only one day to add extra 3 case studies to complete 10 case

studies

> > > demanded by two members in JR (none of whom has installed

Kundalee). But

> > > I will never abuse other software makers, and unless I abuse them,

my

> > > case studies will not be read at all !! Why you do not see this

point ?

> > > Some people do not want case studies, they want me to stop my

creative

> > > works and fight with all software makers of the world by proving

them

> > > wrong !

> > >

> > > I sent individual case studies to many persons. None of them is

ready to

> > > discuss the good or bad points in my case studies, just because

> > > planetary positions of Kundalee differ from physical astronomy.

They are

> > > under an oath never to discuss a chart with me ASTROLOGICALLY.

> > >

> > > Only real software developers like PVR and Shyam Kansal ji are

> > > sympathetic and unbiased : they know the shortcomings of modern

> > > softwares and are doing their best to find ways to remove these

> > > shortcomings. Shyam Kansal ji is the pioneer in software on

> > > Ashtakavargas, and when he found the team of Sreenadh falsely

charging

> > > me of making an " uninstallable " software based on an " outdated "

> > > siddhaanta, he stepped in to report that he faced no difficulty in

> > > installing Kundalee and found that no other software dealt with

> > > Ashtakavargas more exhaustively than Kundalee. But such verdicts

by a

> > > pioneer vedic software developer made no impact on AIA managers.

> > >

> > > Over half of my time is wasted on useless theoretical discussions

or

> > > diversions. I wanted comparative discussion of charts, but I found

no

> > > one is interested in it. Only I am expected to make case studies

and

> > > comparative studies and only I will read my case studies. Why 7

case

> > > studies rotting at my website for over 6 months cannot be regarded

as

> > > case studies ? I

> > >

> > > I started biographical study of Napoleon, but stopped the work

when one

> > > senior member in JR said that birthtime of celebrities are

doubtful.

> > > Why they want to waste my time with biographical studies when they

will

> > > not read those studies ? I know birthdata of most of Indian

celebrities

> > > are deliberate falsehoods, but same is not the casewith well

researched

> > > foerign celebrities.

> > >

> > >

> > > Hence, the best method for comparing various schools is mundane

case

> > > studies : I have over two hundred case studies in this field,

which has

> > > no uncertainties like birthtime errors, because time of chart is

> > > determined by solar transits into raashis or nakshatras. Moreover,

I can

> > > present comparative case studies in this field too, because there

will

> > > be no need to compare astrological softwares made by others. 136

years

> > > of official annual rainfall data is availabe on a monthly basis.

Change

> > > the year beginning with January to year beginning with April, and

> > > compare annual rainfall data with Mesha Samkraanti charts of

India.

> > > Analysis of only one raashi is enough in this case, becase we need

to

> > > analyse only that raashi in which India falls in the Prithvi

Chakra.

> > >

> > > Repeat same exercize for 55 years of economic growth data

presented in

> > > Economic Survey of central finance ministers : these data are

already

> > > presented in year beginning from April and can be easily compared

with

> > > Varsha-pravesh charts of India on nirayana mesha Samkraanti.

Analysis of

> > > only 11th house is needed in this case.

> > >

> > > Internet astrologers are not interested in mundane astrology,

hence I am

> > > not translating my Hindi case studies into English. But whether

internet

> > > people read my case studies or not, I will certainly put them on

my

> > > websites gradually.

> > >

> > > I translated one year's forecasts made by a HOD on world and by me

on

> > > India and put it at following webpage : Click_Here

> > >

<http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/World+Economy+%3A+Apr+2009-Mar+201\

\

> > > 0> . I will have to translate my whole mundane software into

English

> > > for making English case studies. Before I joined forums, I

did not

> > > know Indian astrologers do not know rudimentary Hindi. If south

Indian

> > > astrologers can recognize Hindi alphabets (no mastery of language

is

> > > needed), I will not need to translate my whole mundane softwares,

and

> > > can present mundane case studies with commentaries in english.

> > >

> > > But then someone will come and say Parashari phalit is not

universal and

> > > should not be used ! After all, there must be some consensus on

the

> > > methods of case studies. So far, my experience is that only those

people

> > > want case studies from me who do not want to touch my software for

one

> > > reason or another.

> > >

> > > I have devoted my life in making scores of softwares and other

research

> > > projects along modern physical astronomy initially but along

> > > Suryasiddhanta later when I found modern physical astronomy giving

> > > unsatisfactory results. Those who have not worked along both lines

and

> > > merely stick to modern physical astronomy have a prejudiced

feeling that

> > > I have some personal agenda of imposing Suryasiddhanta. My

background is

> > > not astrological but scientific, and I became a supporter of

> > > Suryasiddanta after decades of comparative researches. I have no

benefit

> > > in propagating this method, because I never sold either my

softwares not

> > > took any fees for my astrological services. Yet, some people have

> > > expressed their unfounded views that I have a future plan to get

> > > commercial benefits by making " hoax claims " . These same people

refuse to

> > > study 7 case studies at my website and say it is " my " duty to

prove my

> > > point. It is impossible to prove or disprove anything to those who

> > > refuse to read the proofs.

> > >

> > > -VinayJha

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