How To Test Softwares : Mundane Charts- No abuses plz

May 16, 2009

Vinay ji

will read the full mail after 10-12 hrs as it is alte now and will take a break

in meantime did a superfical glance so can;t coment

ONLY REQUEST IS PL DONT USE THE SAME WORDS LIKE FRAUD on ant one as in the

chandrahari case i was not there and i dont know if he also made any money on

this, in case u know then pl post such info in public can fair if chanrrahari

also responds once to it as he is not a member here after it can close his name

here as members not here or not in the thread can be spared for good or bad

but i am giving all ppl same chance a fair time to say, discuss, prove with some

credence what they have to say , teach us we r open minded not bankrupt

and more case studies u do the better will study the ones u said and also get

back.

pl give monsoon forecasts as said for comming monsoon days away for select

states and the principles how u did it so that each one of us can take a shot at

it. in the same place and other places we may or may not get same results , but

knowledge must be tested before being acpted

prashant

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vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16

Sunday, May 17, 2009 12:07:53 AM

Re: How To Test Softwares : Mundane Charts

An Intellectual Challenge to Mr Sunil Nair & his team

To All,

Mr Sunil Nair has reverted to his old style of judging things not suited

to his likings in his dictatorial and abusive style. In AIA he and his

friends refused to discuss anything with me and incessantly attacked me

with abuses. Initially, I was under an impression that they were

misbehaving due to misunderstanding, and I tried my best to bring them

to free and fair discussion, tolerating all their abuses, esp from Mr

Chandrahari who never stopped abusing and never agreed to discuss things

in a civilized manner. But with all my tolerance I failed to persuade

them to discuss anything at all.

I became curious at such a bizarre behaviour by apparenty educated

persons and therefore spent some time over the writings of their

intellectual leader Mr Chandrahari. Then I recognized the reason behind

intolerance and impatience of this team. They are not lunatics to abuse

anyone without any provocation. They had a cause : Mr Chandrahari was

propagating a wrong ayanamsha in the name of Suryasiddhanta, which is a

fraud, and he was apprehensive that the presence of any person knowing

the intricacies of Suryasiddhanta will expose this fraud. hence, he

wanted my instant expulsion without any discussion. He even incited

them to kill me, literally ! Mr Chandrahari poses as an expert of

Suryasiddhanta, which needed my expulsion. When I became convinced of

this fraudulent history of 'Chandrahari Ayanamsha' , I exposed this

fraud in AIA. Mr Chandrahari has a right to propound any theory he

wishes, but he has no right to distort the original texts to suit his

personal whims and fancies. I pointed to errors in Mr Chandrahari' s

definition of ayanamsha and made it clear that Mr Chandrahari' s

ayanamsha is his own invention and has no relation to Suryasiddhanta.

After this, Mr Chandrahari left the scence and Mr Sreenadh took the

responsibility of abusing me. Why an intellectual issue should be

submerged under personal attacks ? Why the people who boast of millenia

of civilization cannot discuss intellectual issues in a civilized

manner?? There are many ignorant persons, but they are not aggressive,

abusive and intolerant. Intolerance and impatience is not a mark of

ignorance. Uncivilized and intolerant behaviour has vested interests

which call for removing the apparent opponent from the scene. But these

persons forget that even if I willingly resign from all forums,

there is an external world with legal courts and other institutions

where truth can be proven. Personal prestige is a non-issue for me, but

when it comes to matters related to shaastras, I can go to any legal

extent.

As Mr Prashant ji has rightly said, Mr Sunil Nair does not even know the

definition of " fraud " . I never earned a paisa from astrology. Whom I

robbed ? What is my fraud ? If my statements are wrong, it is not a

fraud but a misinterpretation which should be countered with proper

arguments and evidences, instead of abusing.

Mr Sunil Nair says the entire JR group is intellectually bankrupt

because it allows free and fair discussions, and boasts that this " group

has no knowledge of Suryasiddhanta. ... Stop discussing Suryasiddhanta in

the group. You guys are incompetent to discuss such a topic " . To learn

one need courage.... "

Incivility is not courage. Mr Sunil Nair and his team is distinguished

for impudence, incivility, ignorance, intolerance, and above all fraud.

I am not abusing them, I am telling the truth which I am capable of

proving it, provided they accept my challenge of a real shaastrartha,

which I had requested Mr Chandrahari to engage in, after which Mr

Chandrahari left the field and abusive attacks were launched on me in a

concerted manner.

This team forced me to leave AIA, and is now harassing me in other

forums. It is my duty to expose their fraud. Here is a simple way to

decide who is a real fraud. Even those members who have no knowledge of

ancient siddhantas can easily decide who is a fraud and who knows the

siddhanta skandha of Jyotisha.

Suryasiddhanta' s earliest tables are Makaranda Tables (1478 AD) , in

which readymade tables and easy methods for making panchangas are given.

Even today, almost all Suryasiddhantic panchangas are being made from

Makaranda Tables, whose first verse says it is Suryasiddhantic ( " Shri

Suryasiddhanta matena samyag-vishva- upkaaraaya guru-prasaadaata ... " ).

In its chapter of Spashtaadhikaara, there are tables for getting

mandaphala and shighraphala for each value of 'bhuja' ('planetary

position reduced to a quadrant'). Burgess cound not understand these

tables and therefore gave his own faulty method of computing mandaphala

and shighraphala. Whom should we accept as Suryasiddhantic : a foreign

Christian priest like Burgess, or the whole tradition of Suryasiddhantic

panchanga makers and other experts like Diwakar Daivajna, Kamlakara

Bhatta, Vishvanath Daivajna, Gokulnath Daivajna, Narayan Sharma

(excepting the last who wrote in 1909 AD, all others are mediaeval

experts). Here is my proposition : if Mr Sunil Nair and his entire team

of socalled experts can describe the Suryasiddhantic formula of

mandaphala which was used in Makaranda mandaphala tables, I will

renounce Suryasiddhanta for ever and will accept these persons of AIA as

my gurus.

I have asked a very simple question. Mandaphala means the equation of

centre due to ellipticity of orbit. Shighraphala is more complex.

Computations of eclipses are even more complex, which should not be

discussed in a forum. If Mr Sunil Nair provides a formula which

can help one to reconstruct this mandaphala table within tolerable

limits of errors (few seconds of arc, due to absence of calculators in

those days, there are slight errors in these tables), I will stake

anything Mr Sunil Nair wants. I can give any limit of time, preferably

within a month or two, which Mr Sunil Nair wants to learn this formula

from any source in the world. English editions of Makaranda Tables are

now out of print, but Sanskrit original with Hindi commentary by Late Pt

Lakhanlal Ji can be procured cheaply from Chowkhamba Surabhaarati

Prakaashan, Varanasi.

Mr Sunil Nair shows much courage in non-intellectual abusing. Can he

display similar courage in accepting my intellectual challenge ?

I know what answer he and his tean can give. After failing in

understanding the Makaranda Tables, Mr Nair & c will resort to abusing

these tables as wrong or non-Suryasiddhantic or out-of-date. But these

gimmicks will not prove his guts : give me the formula of Makaranda

Tables and do not try to divert the issue.

In the end, I must add a comment on Mr prashant Ji's benevolent remarks.

He is right is saying that I do not relish the situation when some

members judge a software without testing, which Mr Sunil Nair & c are

doing. But I am not impatient for everyone to use my system because it

is not only impossible but unethical too : Suryasiddhanta strictly

probits giving this knowledge to undeserving lot. Those who abuse

Suryasiddhanta do not deserve it. But those who abuse it without

understanding it, and pose as its experts, deserve some special

treatment from this group. If I am proven wrong, let me and my software

go. If Mr Sunil Nair fails to explain a simple mandaphala formula as

used in Makaranda mandaphala table (do not send the wrong formula of

Burgess), what should be done with his abusive behaviour ? This fellow

knows well my credentials : even recognizwed Sanskrit universities, govt

Sanskrit academies and other reputed institutions have accepted me as an

expert of Suryasiddhanta, who should be " killed' according to Mr

Chandrahari and abused by his followers.

Please compell this team to prove its supposed expertize. I they fail to

explain Suryasiddhanta, what right they have of abusing it or me? Let us

discuss in a free and fair manner, which is impossible in AIA. I have

put a simple question which is part of Ganitaacharya syllabus in

Sanskrit universities. After failing in finding a correct answer, they

can take help from professors of Jyotisha. I can send them, if asked

for, addresses of all such recognized Sanskrit institutions where

jyotisha is taught at high levels. Suryasiddhanta' s last words are that

it is " rahasyam brahma sammitam " . Let me see who helps them against a

brahmachaari.

-Vinay Jha

============ ========= == ====

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> dear grp

>

> i can only sympathize with you guys for not developing the " sense "

with

> which you could differentiate a fraud. When someone comes and tells

you

> people that Suryasiddhanta is not for observed planets and positions

of

> deities and planets are different - you people make it a subject of

> discussion. This is not the openness needed in the inquiry for truth.

> This is the intellectual bankruptcy of you people that the group has

no

> knowledge of Suryasiddhanta and fails to appreciate even the right

> wisdom/interpretati on. You guys don't understand who may be an

authority

> and who cannot be? Why such a pitiable state after spending a life

> time for Jyotisha? Look inside and see - what prevents you people from

> assimilating what you people read? There is only one answer. Real

> knowledge comes when one surrenders to the Guru and remains anchored

to

> the right knowledge. But this is not possible when 'spardha' is there

in

> the mind -'spardha' of judging others with ego rather than pursuing

the

> quest for truth. Stop discussing Suryasiddhanta in the group. You

> guys are incompetent to discuss such a topic. And when you do things

for

> which you are incompetent you people will end up desecrating the

ancient

> wisdom. Learn at least to call a spade a spade - Don't be victims

of

> false modesty. To learn one need courage. to shed false notions and to

> shed mindset one needs courage. You guys are cowards lacking courage

and

> I feel no sorry in speaking the truth.

>

> sunil nair

>

> , Vinay Jha vinayjhaa16@

> wrote:

> >

> > I work on laptop due to power crisis in my region, with Win XP

SP-3.

> Mr Sunil Nair has same system. Run time errors of any kind means

version

> difference in DLL files already installed on your computer with the

> files contained in Kundalee which you chose to ignore while

> installation.

> >

> > Recent version of Kundalee software has revoved many, but not all,

> such problems. It you downloaded Kundalee before 7th May 2009,

uninstall

> the previous version from Control Panel and download the new package

> fromhttp://kundalee .wikidot. com/ from the first linkon that page :

> http://www.datafile host.com/ download- 72e639b7. html

> >

> > It will take me a few months to tune Kundalee to all other versions.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > -Vinay Jha

> > ============ ===== =====

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@

> >

> > Friday, May 15, 2009 1:08:58 PM

> > Re: How To Test Softwares : Mundane Charts

> >

> > ///////only real software developers like PVR and Shyam Kansal ji

are

> > > sympathetic and unbiased : they know the shortcomings of modern

> > > softwares and are doing their best to find ways to remove these

> > > shortcomings. Shyam Kansal ji is the pioneer in software on

> > > Ashtakavargas, and when he found the team of Sreenadh falsely

> charging

> > > me of making an " uninstallable " software based on an " outdated "

> > > siddhaanta, he stepped in to report that he faced no difficulty in

> > > installing Kundalee and found that no other software dealt with

> > > Ashtakavargas more exhaustively than Kundalee. But such verdicts

by

> a

> > > pioneer vedic software developer made no impact on AIA

> > managers./// /////

> >

> > Re: Kundalee software

> > Dear Group members

> >

> > This is my input to on-going discussions on Kundalee software.

> >

> > I have Windows-XP (service pack-3), Home Edition, on my notebook

> > computer. I could install the software without any problem. It is

> > running OK on my notebook. Most of the options are working

perfectly.

> >

> > However, when I try to calculate Vimshottari dasa or Ashottari dasa

or

> > Ashtakvarga, it always returns " Run time error 13, Type Mismatch "

> error.

> >

> > I have not yet checked/compared any calculations of this software

with

> > other normally used popular softwares, therefore I am unable to

> comment

> > about calculations aspect at the moment.

> >

> > Sarvatobhadra- chakra section is quite exhaustive. I heartily

> compliment

> > Mr. Vinay Jha for providing this section to those interested. Most

of

> > the present day softwares have not been able to provide

> > Sarvatobhadra- chakra vedhas so exhaustively.

> >

> > I would request Mr. Vinay Jha to guide me that how I may solve this

> > problem of " Run time error 13, Type Mismatch " .

> >

> > Warm regards,

> > Shyam S. Kansal

> >

> > http://groups. / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/

> 17716

> >

> > IS IT IS PROOF OF INFALIBILITY ?????? WAT A SOFTWARE GOT INSTALLED

HAS

> > TO DO WITH PROOF OF SAURA PAKSHA IS CORRECT ??

> >

> > >

>

May 16, 2009

Prashant Ji,

I am not abusing anyone. Mr Chandrahari did not commit any financial fraud, he

committed an intellectual fraud by proposing a new concept of ayanamsha in the

name of Suryasiddhanta. He resorted to this falsehood deliberately, in order to

cash on the popularity of Suryasiddhanta among pandits. If I am in the wrong,

let him or his supporters refute me. Even PVR and Pt Sanjay Rath had made

adverse statements about the intolerant and aggressive ways of the team led by

Mr Chandrahari. Mr Chandrahari wants to impose his ayanamsha at any cost, by

abusing others, by claiming siddantic background of his ideas (falsely), by

shouting, etc, but never by proper discussion in a friendly manner. One owner of

an astrological group told me that Mr Chandrahari is a fake name of Sreenadh !

Who knows !

He is not a member in JR, but he openly incited AIA members to expel and kill

me. After I left AIA due to abuses, I was followed in other forums by his

followers. He poses as an expert of Suryasiddhanta. Mr Sunil Nair knows nothing.

My challenge of shaastrartha is aimed at Mr Chandrahari and Mr Sunil Nair will

certainly communicate this message to Mr Chandrahari. I know they are incaplable

of a free and fair discussion. That is why they take a resort to abusing.

Abusing is a sign of weakness. Let them show their knowledge of siddhanta

jyotisha, which is the foundation of tri-skandha jyotisha. I think others may be

benefited by a good discussion. I have offered to renounce Suryasiddhanta if

they give a correct answer of my simple question.

I stopped sending fortnightly rain forecasts because it was time consuming. I

send only annual forecasts to scientists now, for two years. But I will soon

send fortnightly rain forcasts to JR, in an easy and intelligible manner,

because you want to see them. I will also explain the method, which is very

simple.

Sincerely,

-Vinay Jha

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Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

Sunday, May 17, 2009 12:54:47 AM

Re: Re: How To Test Softwares : Mundane Charts- No abuses plz