How To Test Softwares : Mundane Charts 18/5

May 18, 2009

Dear Members,

I have passed a few mails that came during chandra's stay in Makara with rahu a

potential flash point time as promised to sunil nair that i will post it, when

chandra is out of makara and more positive with Guru and the expected patient,

dignified answer of Vinay ji is visible in controst to sunil nairs continued

tirade on me and him and the membership at large

he threatned to expose my withholding the mails when all i asked was to wait for

2 days

he had also accused our group of incompetence , pitable, bankrupt this also I

approved

there is one preceeding it even more abusive but the one above contains the same

venom in a slightly lesser extent else MOST OF HIS ABUSIVE STUFF CAME THRU

he wants to post all the public and private mails between me and him to all

groups

to maling VINAY JI

the group and me ofcourse their target all the time

as some members r common do get a gist fo what happens in their group but as

they r gutsless and brainless

I ALLOW SUNILS NAIRS MAILS TO COME IN

but they don't allow mine in their group.

the kettle calling the POT BLACK

Sunil claims we r incompetent

that is ok as they r previleged to distribute certificates as the only authority

in this world fine

BUT WHY CAN'T HE STUDY ONE OR TWo OF THE PUBLICALLY POSTED DATA OF VINAY AND

STILL CALL HIM NAMES IF THEY HAVE THE BRAINS OR THE GUTS prove him wrong.fake.

mere continued slander won't make it true. [even if it si true]

but still come with counter posts why should I test then kids , can deal with it

etc ok bring them to do it and prove ur point...!

WHY SHOULD THEY CALL ANONE A FRAUD, A FAKE ETC prove him and call him we will

accept it

no one is guilty unless proven

in my case as said I am fair to all i have allowed all shades of views to come

in

but they don't allow anyone but a select gang to air freely that too abusive

stuff and gossip in the club whatver the call it

ALl i say and re-iterate and HOPE only Vinay ji can do this call their bluff

I've given the time, space which I he needs and know someday he will deliver

I have been in touch with several senior members and they have acknowledged

VINAY ji HAS MATERIAL WORTH PERSUING SERIOUSLY SO THE LOSS IS NOT OURS Tbut his

critics

My faith in my gurus is questioned, well I have still been using what I have

learnt from my gurus when i see he case studies and apply them I will consider

his approach also

knowledge from anyone is sacred without testing it no one must call it names.

there was a problem with vinay jis impatient replies which seem to have settled

down given him the space, peace he required as seen from his replies in the past

week

so i know my approach works

worst case scenario if he doesnt provide or fail in his work then the other side

can be happy anyway!

for me providing equal space, time for all is important the subject is too vast,

sacred and well spread in this vast country no one can ever claim exclusive or

previleged to say he is the only master surely no ones in the net world the

village purohits are far superior to us.

less expectations of bills in life so lesser income, lessser pressure to earn so

the divine river flows better in them we r forced on and off to look to stay

afloat in the ever expensive world living in cities, towns

where as of now only air is free.rest have to pay for.

in case u come members who r commoin see the tirade let on us pl do what u feel

best, know that we have done our best we have no vested interest in protecting

anyone as no commercial interests r there, just that we r giving a platform of a

larned person to to share his wxperience, knowledge, rest time will deal in outs

own way. we ned not break our heads or invite -ve Karmai debt

lies can survive for some time only

Best wishes

________________________________

sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala

Sunday, May 17, 2009 1:02:22 AM

Re: How To Test Softwares : Mundane Charts

u proov u r right first and we never need to proov any thing ,as i never

claimed tall in any grp .

even u never prooved anything ,so how can i interact with frauds who

says they knows everything and their vakya is brahma vakya and says

apasarpini jaina yuga is samkhya and has approval veda 's

pls dont waiste my time and u waisted others 4 months time in various

grps

u r challenge is peanuts ,there is a 32 yr old boy in our team he can

meet u in case u proov ur worth first ,then let us see

u and all ur sanskrit prfessors r welcome to proov first

u do ur duty first

i did expose u man who says sunil nair and i share same system where as

i pointed out the lie in ur mail that senior software devlpers

appreciated ur SW (only real software developers like PVR and Shyam

Kansal ji are

> sympathetic and unbiased

The truth was they cud not operate it ,except the sarvotobhadra chakra

http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ message/60216

why u need 1000 lies to support u who says i am a monk ??

what if i proov some formula has to do with ur SW ,as u already dont

know any thing

u hav to proov u r worth than i proov i am correct

it is what i was asking u all this last 4 months

my work is finished here ,i giv enough warning to all and it was my

aim and i done it .

did u even tried to do one prediction on election results ( prashanth ji

asked u too ) who says billions and billions of yrs accuracy .Did i

claim so ??

how many memebrs in various grps asked u to predict realy for future

date for one city atleast .

why i need to giv u our hard earned secrets to u ??

, " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

wrote:

>

> An Intellectual Challenge to Mr Sunil Nair & his team

>

> To All,

>

> Mr Sunil Nair has reverted to his old style of judging things not

suited

> to his likings in his dictatorial and abusive style. In AIA he and his

> friends refused to discuss anything with me and incessantly attacked

me

> with abuses. Initially, I was under an impression that they were

> misbehaving due to misunderstanding, and I tried my best to bring them

> to free and fair discussion, tolerating all their abuses, esp from Mr

> Chandrahari who never stopped abusing and never agreed to discuss

things

> in a civilized manner. But with all my tolerance I failed to persuade

> them to discuss anything at all.

>

> I became curious at such a bizarre behaviour by apparenty educated

> persons and therefore spent some time over the writings of their

> intellectual leader Mr Chandrahari. Then I recognized the reason

behind

> intolerance and impatience of this team. They are not lunatics to

abuse

> anyone without any provocation. They had a cause : Mr Chandrahari was

> propagating a wrong ayanamsha in the name of Suryasiddhanta, which is

a

> fraud, and he was apprehensive that the presence of any person

knowing

> the intricacies of Suryasiddhanta will expose this fraud. hence, he

> wanted my instant expulsion without any discussion. He even incited

> them to kill me, literally ! Mr Chandrahari poses as an expert of

> Suryasiddhanta, which needed my expulsion. When I became convinced of

> this fraudulent history of 'Chandrahari Ayanamsha' , I exposed this

> fraud in AIA. Mr Chandrahari has a right to propound any theory he

> wishes, but he has no right to distort the original texts to suit his

> personal whims and fancies. I pointed to errors in Mr Chandrahari' s

> definition of ayanamsha and made it clear that Mr Chandrahari' s

> ayanamsha is his own invention and has no relation to Suryasiddhanta.

> After this, Mr Chandrahari left the scence and Mr Sreenadh took the

> responsibility of abusing me. Why an intellectual issue should be

> submerged under personal attacks ? Why the people who boast of

millenia

> of civilization cannot discuss intellectual issues in a civilized

> manner?? There are many ignorant persons, but they are not aggressive,

> abusive and intolerant. Intolerance and impatience is not a mark of

> ignorance. Uncivilized and intolerant behaviour has vested interests

> which call for removing the apparent opponent from the scene. But

these

> persons forget that even if I willingly resign from all forums,

> there is an external world with legal courts and other institutions

> where truth can be proven. Personal prestige is a non-issue for me,

but

> when it comes to matters related to shaastras, I can go to any legal

> extent.

>

> As Mr Prashant ji has rightly said, Mr Sunil Nair does not even know

the

> definition of " fraud " . I never earned a paisa from astrology. Whom I

> robbed ? What is my fraud ? If my statements are wrong, it is not a

> fraud but a misinterpretation which should be countered with proper

> arguments and evidences, instead of abusing.

>

> Mr Sunil Nair says the entire JR group is intellectually bankrupt

> because it allows free and fair discussions, and boasts that this

" group

> has no knowledge of Suryasiddhanta. ... Stop discussing Suryasiddhanta

in

> the group. You guys are incompetent to discuss such a topic " . To learn

> one need courage.... "

>

> Incivility is not courage. Mr Sunil Nair and his team is distinguished

> for impudence, incivility, ignorance, intolerance, and above all

fraud.

> I am not abusing them, I am telling the truth which I am capable of

> proving it, provided they accept my challenge of a real shaastrartha,

> which I had requested Mr Chandrahari to engage in, after which Mr

> Chandrahari left the field and abusive attacks were launched on me in

a

> concerted manner.

>

> This team forced me to leave AIA, and is now harassing me in other

> forums. It is my duty to expose their fraud. Here is a simple way to

> decide who is a real fraud. Even those members who have no knowledge

of

> ancient siddhantas can easily decide who is a fraud and who knows the

> siddhanta skandha of Jyotisha.

>

> Suryasiddhanta' s earliest tables are Makaranda Tables (1478 AD) , in

> which readymade tables and easy methods for making panchangas are

given.

> Even today, almost all Suryasiddhantic panchangas are being made from

> Makaranda Tables, whose first verse says it is Suryasiddhantic ( " Shri

> Suryasiddhanta matena samyag-vishva- upkaaraaya guru-prasaadaata ... " ).

> In its chapter of Spashtaadhikaara, there are tables for getting

> mandaphala and shighraphala for each value of 'bhuja' ('planetary

> position reduced to a quadrant'). Burgess cound not understand these

> tables and therefore gave his own faulty method of computing

mandaphala

> and shighraphala. Whom should we accept as Suryasiddhantic : a foreign

> Christian priest like Burgess, or the whole tradition of

Suryasiddhantic

> panchanga makers and other experts like Diwakar Daivajna, Kamlakara

> Bhatta, Vishvanath Daivajna, Gokulnath Daivajna, Narayan Sharma

> (excepting the last who wrote in 1909 AD, all others are mediaeval

> experts). Here is my proposition : if Mr Sunil Nair and his entire

team

> of socalled experts can describe the Suryasiddhantic formula of

> mandaphala which was used in Makaranda mandaphala tables, I will

> renounce Suryasiddhanta for ever and will accept these persons of AIA

as

> my gurus.

>

> I have asked a very simple question. Mandaphala means the equation of

> centre due to ellipticity of orbit. Shighraphala is more complex.

> Computations of eclipses are even more complex, which should not be

> discussed in a forum. If Mr Sunil Nair provides a formula which

> can help one to reconstruct this mandaphala table within tolerable

> limits of errors (few seconds of arc, due to absence of calculators in

> those days, there are slight errors in these tables), I will stake

> anything Mr Sunil Nair wants. I can give any limit of time, preferably

> within a month or two, which Mr Sunil Nair wants to learn this formula

> from any source in the world. English editions of Makaranda Tables are

> now out of print, but Sanskrit original with Hindi commentary by Late

Pt

> Lakhanlal Ji can be procured cheaply from Chowkhamba Surabhaarati

> Prakaashan, Varanasi.

>

> Mr Sunil Nair shows much courage in non-intellectual abusing. Can he

> display similar courage in accepting my intellectual challenge ?

>

> I know what answer he and his tean can give. After failing in

> understanding the Makaranda Tables, Mr Nair & c will resort to abusing

> these tables as wrong or non-Suryasiddhantic or out-of-date. But these

> gimmicks will not prove his guts : give me the formula of Makaranda

> Tables and do not try to divert the issue.

>

> In the end, I must add a comment on Mr prashant Ji's benevolent

remarks.

> He is right is saying that I do not relish the situation when some

> members judge a software without testing, which Mr Sunil Nair & c are

> doing. But I am not impatient for everyone to use my system because it

> is not only impossible but unethical too : Suryasiddhanta strictly

> probits giving this knowledge to undeserving lot. Those who abuse

> Suryasiddhanta do not deserve it. But those who abuse it without

> understanding it, and pose as its experts, deserve some special

> treatment from this group. If I am proven wrong, let me and my

software

> go. If Mr Sunil Nair fails to explain a simple mandaphala formula as

> used in Makaranda mandaphala table (do not send the wrong formula of

> Burgess), what should be done with his abusive behaviour ? This fellow

> knows well my credentials : even recognizwed Sanskrit universities,

govt

> Sanskrit academies and other reputed institutions have accepted me as

an

> expert of Suryasiddhanta, who should be " killed' according to Mr

> Chandrahari and abused by his followers.

>

> Please compell this team to prove its supposed expertize. I they fail

to

> explain Suryasiddhanta, what right they have of abusing it or me? Let

us

> discuss in a free and fair manner, which is impossible in AIA. I have

> put a simple question which is part of Ganitaacharya syllabus in

> Sanskrit universities. After failing in finding a correct answer, they

> can take help from professors of Jyotisha. I can send them, if asked

> for, addresses of all such recognized Sanskrit institutions where

> jyotisha is taught at high levels. Suryasiddhanta' s last words are

that

> it is " rahasyam brahma sammitam " . Let me see who helps them against a

> brahmachaari.

>

> -Vinay Jha

> ============ ========= == ====

> , " sunil nair "

> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> >

> > dear grp

> >

> > i can only sympathize with you guys for not developing the " sense "

> with

> > which you could differentiate a fraud. When someone comes and tells

> you

> > people that Suryasiddhanta is not for observed planets and positions

> of

> > deities and planets are different - you people make it a subject of

> > discussion. This is not the openness needed in the inquiry for

truth.

> > This is the intellectual bankruptcy of you people that the group has

> no

> > knowledge of Suryasiddhanta and fails to appreciate even the right

> > wisdom/interpretati on. You guys don't understand who may be an

> authority

> > and who cannot be? Why such a pitiable state after spending a

life

> > time for Jyotisha? Look inside and see - what prevents you people

from

> > assimilating what you people read? There is only one answer. Real

> > knowledge comes when one surrenders to the Guru and remains anchored

> to

> > the right knowledge. But this is not possible when 'spardha' is

there

> in

> > the mind -'spardha' of judging others with ego rather than pursuing

> the

> > quest for truth. Stop discussing Suryasiddhanta in the group. You

> > guys are incompetent to discuss such a topic. And when you do things

> for

> > which you are incompetent you people will end up desecrating the

> ancient

> > wisdom. Learn at least to call a spade a spade - Don't be victims

> of

> > false modesty. To learn one need courage. to shed false notions and

to

> > shed mindset one needs courage. You guys are cowards lacking courage

> and

> > I feel no sorry in speaking the truth.

> >

> > sunil nair

> >

> > , Vinay Jha vinayjhaa16@

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > I work on laptop due to power crisis in my region, with Win XP

> SP-3.

> > Mr Sunil Nair has same system. Run time errors of any kind means

> version

> > difference in DLL files already installed on your computer with the

> > files contained in Kundalee which you chose to ignore while

> > installation.

> > >

> > > Recent version of Kundalee software has revoved many, but not all,

> > such problems. It you downloaded Kundalee before 7th May 2009,

> uninstall

> > the previous version from Control Panel and download the new package

> > fromhttp://kundalee .wikidot. com/ from the first linkon that page

:

> > http://www.datafile host.com/ download- 72e639b7. html

> > >

> > > It will take me a few months to tune Kundalee to all other

versions.

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > >

> > > -Vinay Jha

> > > ============ ===== =====

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@

> > >

> > > Friday, May 15, 2009 1:08:58 PM

> > > Re: How To Test Softwares : Mundane Charts

> > >

> > > ///////only real software developers like PVR and Shyam Kansal ji

> are

> > > > sympathetic and unbiased : they know the shortcomings of modern

> > > > softwares and are doing their best to find ways to remove these

> > > > shortcomings. Shyam Kansal ji is the pioneer in software on

> > > > Ashtakavargas, and when he found the team of Sreenadh falsely

> > charging

> > > > me of making an " uninstallable " software based on an " outdated "

> > > > siddhaanta, he stepped in to report that he faced no difficulty

in

> > > > installing Kundalee and found that no other software dealt with

> > > > Ashtakavargas more exhaustively than Kundalee. But such verdicts

> by

> > a

> > > > pioneer vedic software developer made no impact on AIA

> > > managers./// /////

> > >

> > > Re: Kundalee software

> > > Dear Group members

> > >

> > > This is my input to on-going discussions on Kundalee software.

> > >

> > > I have Windows-XP (service pack-3), Home Edition, on my notebook

> > > computer. I could install the software without any problem. It is

> > > running OK on my notebook. Most of the options are working

> perfectly.

> > >

> > > However, when I try to calculate Vimshottari dasa or Ashottari

dasa

> or

> > > Ashtakvarga, it always returns " Run time error 13, Type Mismatch "

> > error.

> > >

> > > I have not yet checked/compared any calculations of this software

> with

> > > other normally used popular softwares, therefore I am unable to

> > comment

> > > about calculations aspect at the moment.

> > >

> > > Sarvatobhadra- chakra section is quite exhaustive. I heartily

> > compliment

> > > Mr. Vinay Jha for providing this section to those interested. Most

> of

> > > the present day softwares have not been able to provide

> > > Sarvatobhadra- chakra vedhas so exhaustively.

> > >

> > > I would request Mr. Vinay Jha to guide me that how I may solve

this

> > > problem of " Run time error 13, Type Mismatch " .

> > >

> > > Warm regards,

> > > Shyam S. Kansal

> > >

> > > http://groups. / group/ancient_ indian_astrology

/message/

> > 17716

> > >

> > > IS IT IS PROOF OF INFALIBILITY ?????? WAT A SOFTWARE GOT INSTALLED

> HAS

> > > TO DO WITH PROOF OF SAURA PAKSHA IS CORRECT ??

> > >

> > > >

> >

May 18, 2009

To All,

Prashant Ji rightly says : " lies can survive for some time only " .

As for AIA, i have put a simple

question on Suryasiddhantic mandaphala as in Makaranda Tables, which

they will never be able to answer correctly.

He is also right is saying : " there was a problem with vinay jis impatient

replies which seem to have settled down given him the space, peace he required

as seen from his replies in the past week " .

I was hard pressed with workload and was being asked for more than I could

supply in a short time. My first priority is to update Kundalee software because

there are dozens of complaints about installation and incomplete English

version. I have still not been able to post annual rain forecast to scientists

which I used to send before Mesha Samkraanti. I had to write 38 pagesUunder

various names) in the first astrological reasearch magazine ever published by

any recognized university, it is in press. I am trustee and secretary of many

Sanskrit schools and colleges. To these assignments are added hundreds of mails

I receive daily. And last but not the least, after a long spell of my political

hybernation, this time I was involved in elections because two central ministers

(of a particular religion) from my district were destroying Sanskrit

institutions and I had declared last year that I will do my best to defeat them.

Both of them and their benefactors

lost miserably in Lok Sabha elections. One of the winners is chief patron of

the Sanskrit college of which I am secretary (I do not meet these winners

because I want to keep away from politicians, good or bad).

Now I am free for case studies & c (but not completely free, because Kundalee

software has much to add and the book on ancient astronomy is middway.

-VJ

===================== ===========

________________________________

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

Monday, May 18, 2009 3:37:30 PM

Re: Re: How To Test Softwares : Mundane Charts 18/5

Dear Members,

I have passed a few mails that came during chandra's stay in Makara with rahu a

potential flash point time as promised to sunil nair that i will post it, when

chandra is out of makara and more positive with Guru and the expected patient,

dignified answer of Vinay ji is visible in controst to sunil nairs continued

tirade on me and him and the membership at large

he threatned to expose my withholding the mails when all i asked was to wait for

2 days

he had also accused our group of incompetence , pitable, bankrupt this also I

approved

there is one preceeding it even more abusive but the one above contains the same

venom in a slightly lesser extent else MOST OF HIS ABUSIVE STUFF CAME THRU

he wants to post all the public and private mails between me and him to all

groups

to maling VINAY JI

the group and me ofcourse their target all the time

as some members r common do get a gist fo what happens in their group but as

they r gutsless and brainless

I ALLOW SUNILS NAIRS MAILS TO COME IN

but they don't allow mine in their group.

the kettle calling the POT BLACK

Sunil claims we r incompetent

that is ok as they r previleged to distribute certificates as the only authority

in this world fine

BUT WHY CAN'T HE STUDY ONE OR TWo OF THE PUBLICALLY POSTED DATA OF VINAY AND

STILL CALL HIM NAMES IF THEY HAVE THE BRAINS OR THE GUTS prove him wrong.fake.

mere continued slander won't make it true. [even if it si true]

but still come with counter posts why should I test then kids , can deal with it

etc ok bring them to do it and prove ur point...!

WHY SHOULD THEY CALL ANONE A FRAUD, A FAKE ETC prove him and call him we will

accept it

no one is guilty unless proven

in my case as said I am fair to all i have allowed all shades of views to come

in

but they don't allow anyone but a select gang to air freely that too abusive

stuff and gossip in the club whatver the call it

ALl i say and re-iterate and HOPE only Vinay ji can do this call their bluff

I've given the time, space which I he needs and know someday he will deliver

I have been in touch with several senior members and they have acknowledged

VINAY ji HAS MATERIAL WORTH PERSUING SERIOUSLY SO THE LOSS IS NOT OURS Tbut his

critics

My faith in my gurus is questioned, well I have still been using what I have

learnt from my gurus when i see he case studies and apply them I will consider

his approach also

knowledge from anyone is sacred without testing it no one must call it names.

there was a problem with vinay jis impatient replies which seem to have settled

down given him the space, peace he required as seen from his replies in the past

week

so i know my approach works

worst case scenario if he doesnt provide or fail in his work then the other side

can be happy anyway!

for me providing equal space, time for all is important the subject is too vast,

sacred and well spread in this vast country no one can ever claim exclusive or

previleged to say he is the only master surely no ones in the net world the

village purohits are far superior to us.

less expectations of bills in life so lesser income, lessser pressure to earn so

the divine river flows better in them we r forced on and off to look to stay

afloat in the ever expensive world living in cities, towns

where as of now only air is free.rest have to pay for.

in case u come members who r commoin see the tirade let on us pl do what u feel

best, know that we have done our best we have no vested interest in protecting

anyone as no commercial interests r there, just that we r giving a platform of a

larned person to to share his wxperience, knowledge, rest time will deal in outs

own way. we ned not break our heads or invite -ve Karmai debt

lies can survive for some time only

Best wishes

____________ _________ _________ __

sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in>