seconD marrage considerated by which house ?

[Guest guest]

Dear Suresh

 

V B shastry's works are the best a great sanskrit scholar he and M Ramakrishna

Bhatrt were collegues and Dept of sanskrit heads in St Jospeh college in Blr.

 

all his works r worth reading for the apt sanskrit translations

 

SANKETHANIDI, JATAKA PARIJATHA 3 VOL, Jataka desa marga, Jataka tatwa, Brihat

Jataka, Brihat samhita, Hora sara by Prithyayus, Phaladeepika, Uttarakalmrutha

rgwt e publiahwd by Krishniah shetty and sons Blr Avenue road.

 

even B Suryanarao's works r v good but he has not done so many works.

 

Best wishes

 

Prashant

 

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag

 

Friday, May 29, 2009 6:29:43 PM

Re: secong marrage considerated by which house ?

 

 

 

 

 

Namasthe,

 

Dear bhagavathi

 

I beg your pardon, I must have overlooked the words " there from " . Not at all

your mistake. All the same, I have seen wrong interpretations provided in many

text books.

 

with warm regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

, " bhagavathi_ hariharan " <bhagavathi_

hariharan@ ...> wrote:

>

> Shenoyji,

>

> Please read what I wrote properly. I have not mentioned 8H. I have mentioned

2H which is 8th to 7H. I have copied the translation of somebody else, and not

put my own translation. This is what I wrote.

>

> //Sloka 38 : All about the first wife should be predicted from the 7th house

from the Lagna; about the 2nd wife from the 8th house THERE FROM, and the

successive wives found out in a similar manner.//

>

> Regards

> bhagavatahi

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Prashant,

 

I am fully of shree Shastri and his works and I am having all the books which

you refered (may be not by the same author).

 

The point in focus in this discussion is not misinterpretation by any

translator, But the logic of considering the 2nd wife from any other house other

than 7th house. Particularly considering the fact that in the same book, Shee

Kalidasa has given the indications of 2nd rather extensively in two verses.

However, he has not mentioned the about 2nd wife he himself has stated earlier.

I hope you understand my contention.

 

And I never suspected of Shree bhagavthy of making the mistake Since he had very

clearly stated that he has quoted from another book.

 

I am again repeating here a request to present ACTUAL experience of astrologers

if any in this matter.

 

I AM INTERESTED IN THIS DISCUSSION ONLY IF THE FOCUS IS KEPT PURELY ON LOGIC AND

ACTUAL EXPERIENCE.

 

 

Hope I have made myself clear.

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

 

 

 

, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

wrote:

>

> Dear Suresh

>

> V B shastry's works are the best a great sanskrit scholar he and M Ramakrishna

Bhatrt were collegues and Dept of sanskrit heads in St Jospeh college in Blr.

>

> all his works r worth reading for the apt sanskrit translations

>

> SANKETHANIDI, JATAKA PARIJATHA 3 VOL, Jataka desa marga, Jataka tatwa, Brihat

Jataka, Brihat samhita, Hora sara by Prithyayus, Phaladeepika, Uttarakalmrutha

rgwt e publiahwd by Krishniah shetty and sons Blr Avenue road.

>

> even B Suryanarao's works r v good but he has not done so many works.

>

> Best wishes

>

> Prashant

________________________________

> sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag

>

> Friday, May 29, 2009 6:29:43 PM

> Re: secong marrage considerated by which house ?

>

>

>

>

>

> Namasthe,

>

> Dear bhagavathi

>

> I beg your pardon, I must have overlooked the words " there from " . Not at all

your mistake. All the same, I have seen wrong interpretations provided in many

text books.

>

> with warm regards

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> , " bhagavathi_ hariharan "

<bhagavathi_ hariharan@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Shenoyji,

> >

> > Please read what I wrote properly. I have not mentioned 8H. I have mentioned

2H which is 8th to 7H. I have copied the translation of somebody else, and not

put my own translation. This is what I wrote.

> >

> > //Sloka 38 : All about the first wife should be predicted from the 7th house

from the Lagna; about the 2nd wife from the 8th house THERE FROM, and the

successive wives found out in a similar manner.//

> >

> > Regards

> > bhagavatahi

> >

>

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Suresh Babu

 

the works by VB shastry is what she (Bhagavathi quoted)

 

and the experiences of it is surely in order. and this is inclusive of children

born from the 2nd wife also gets shifted to next house that is 6th house as u

will see even now

 

the CM of TN has 4 wives and each wives son, daughter gets some power position

as a gift from him a Dy CM, 3 Central ministerial jobs to keep them away from

his 1st wives son

 

here the 6th is rival, enmity, competition for the 1st marriage related and for

2nd it is beneficial all that the e 5th gives

 

i think a study of tthe Mughals their wives and the inter sibling rivalry will

give u better understanding of it

 

in normal cases it seems to work

 

Prashant

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag

 

Friday, May 29, 2009 11:26:46 PM

Re: seconD marrage considerated by which house ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Prashant,

 

I am fully of shree Shastri and his works and I am having all the books which

you refered (may be not by the same author).

 

The point in focus in this discussion is not misinterpretation by any

translator, But the logic of considering the 2nd wife from any other house other

than 7th house. Particularly considering the fact that in the same book, Shee

Kalidasa has given the indications of 2nd rather extensively in two verses.

However, he has not mentioned the about 2nd wife he himself has stated earlier.

I hope you understand my contention.

 

And I never suspected of Shree bhagavthy of making the mistake Since he had very

clearly stated that he has quoted from another book.

 

I am again repeating here a request to present ACTUAL experience of astrologers

if any in this matter.

 

I AM INTERESTED IN THIS DISCUSSION ONLY IF THE FOCUS IS KEPT PURELY ON LOGIC AND

ACTUAL EXPERIENCE.

 

Hope I have made myself clear.

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

 

 

, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Dear Suresh

>

> V B shastry's works are the best a great sanskrit scholar he and M Ramakrishna

Bhatrt were collegues and Dept of sanskrit heads in St Jospeh college in Blr.

>

> all his works r worth reading for the apt sanskrit translations

>

> SANKETHANIDI, JATAKA PARIJATHA 3 VOL, Jataka desa marga, Jataka tatwa, Brihat

Jataka, Brihat samhita, Hora sara by Prithyayus, Phaladeepika, Uttarakalmrutha

rgwt e publiahwd by Krishniah shetty and sons Blr Avenue road.

>

> even B Suryanarao's works r v good but he has not done so many works.

>

> Best wishes

>

> Prashant

____________ _________ _________ __

> sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@ ...>

>

> Friday, May 29, 2009 6:29:43 PM

> Re: secong marrage considerated by which house ?

>

>

>

>

>

> Namasthe,

>

> Dear bhagavathi

>

> I beg your pardon, I must have overlooked the words " there from " . Not at all

your mistake. All the same, I have seen wrong interpretations provided in many

text books.

>

> with warm regards

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> , " bhagavathi_ hariharan "

<bhagavathi_ hariharan@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Shenoyji,

> >

> > Please read what I wrote properly. I have not mentioned 8H. I have mentioned

2H which is 8th to 7H. I have copied the translation of somebody else, and not

put my own translation. This is what I wrote.

> >

> > //Sloka 38 : All about the first wife should be predicted from the 7th house

from the Lagna; about the 2nd wife from the 8th house THERE FROM, and the

successive wives found out in a similar manner.//

> >

> > Regards

> > bhagavatahi

> >

>

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Prashant,

 

You have illustraded a valid point. However, Such rivalries & enmity can even be

found amoung the children of the same mother.

 

Further, 5th indicates the children of the native and not the children of his

wife/s (because in this case children will have to be 5th from the 7th (atleast

for the 1st wife if we accept the previous argument) ie the 11th house, which we

dont do and 6th house is the enemy of the native and need not be the enemy of

the 5th house - for 5th house 6th house is its dhana sthana.

 

In most probability, there will only one leagal wife and the others are only

mistresses (bluntly illegal). when a common man resorts to that way of living,

the society sees it in a negative way, but when a rich & powerful person does it

is lauded as Kesari yoga. Some of these cases with 100s of children and scores

of wife falls under exceptional yogas and cannot be analysed by normal logical

reasoning.

 

But this particular aspect is becomming more and important today with no of

divorces surmounting each and every day.

 

The gist is whether these wives conform to the planets indicated by say the

first wife has the qualities/ character / physical nature etc attributed to the

7th house and 2nd wife conforms to the planet indicated by the 2nd house and so

on. If, in a realistic scenario this is found to be true, we can accept this

theory.

 

regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

wrote:

>

> Dear Suresh Babu

>

> the works by VB shastry is what she (Bhagavathi quoted)

>

> and the experiences of it is surely in order. and this is inclusive of

children born from the 2nd wife also gets shifted to next house that is 6th

house as u will see even now

>

> the CM of TN has 4 wives and each wives son, daughter gets some power position

as a gift from him a Dy CM, 3 Central ministerial jobs to keep them away from

his 1st wives son

>

> here the 6th is rival, enmity, competition for the 1st marriage related and

for 2nd it is beneficial all that the e 5th gives

>

> i think a study of tthe Mughals their wives and the inter sibling rivalry will

give u better understanding of it

>

> in normal cases it seems to work

>

> Prashant

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag

>

> Friday, May 29, 2009 11:26:46 PM

> Re: seconD marrage considerated by which house ?

Dear Prashant,

>

> I am fully of shree Shastri and his works and I am having all the books which

you refered (may be not by the same author).

>

> The point in focus in this discussion is not misinterpretation by any

translator, But the logic of considering the 2nd wife from any other house other

than 7th house. Particularly considering the fact that in the same book, Shee

Kalidasa has given the indications of 2nd rather extensively in two verses.

However, he has not mentioned the about 2nd wife he himself has stated earlier.

I hope you understand my contention.

>

> And I never suspected of Shree bhagavthy of making the mistake Since he had

very clearly stated that he has quoted from another book.

>

> I am again repeating here a request to present ACTUAL experience of

astrologers if any in this matter.

>

> I AM INTERESTED IN THIS DISCUSSION ONLY IF THE FOCUS IS KEPT PURELY ON LOGIC

AND ACTUAL EXPERIENCE.

>

> Hope I have made myself clear.

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

>

>

> , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Suresh

> >

> > V B shastry's works are the best a great sanskrit scholar he and M

Ramakrishna Bhatrt were collegues and Dept of sanskrit heads in St Jospeh

college in Blr.

> >

> > all his works r worth reading for the apt sanskrit translations

> >

> > SANKETHANIDI, JATAKA PARIJATHA 3 VOL, Jataka desa marga, Jataka tatwa,

Brihat Jataka, Brihat samhita, Hora sara by Prithyayus, Phaladeepika,

Uttarakalmrutha rgwt e publiahwd by Krishniah shetty and sons Blr Avenue road.

> >

> > even B Suryanarao's works r v good but he has not done so many works.

> >

> > Best wishes

> >

> > Prashant

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@ ...>

> >

> > Friday, May 29, 2009 6:29:43 PM

> > Re: secong marrage considerated by which house ?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Namasthe,

> >

> > Dear bhagavathi

> >

> > I beg your pardon, I must have overlooked the words " there from " . Not at all

your mistake. All the same, I have seen wrong interpretations provided in many

text books.

> >

> > with warm regards

> > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> > , " bhagavathi_ hariharan "

<bhagavathi_ hariharan@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Shenoyji,

> > >

> > > Please read what I wrote properly. I have not mentioned 8H. I have

mentioned 2H which is 8th to 7H. I have copied the translation of somebody else,

and not put my own translation. This is what I wrote.

> > >

> > > //Sloka 38 : All about the first wife should be predicted from the 7th

house from the Lagna; about the 2nd wife from the 8th house THERE FROM, and the

successive wives found out in a similar manner.//

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > bhagavatahi

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Shenoyji and all,

 

This is a chart of a woman posted in J of astrology. DOB 28 Oct, 1961; 21.15hrs,

Agra

 

The article was titled second marriage, chart analyzed by astrologer priyambada.

She has taken 9H for second marriage. We can discuss this if interested

 

first marriage of the native- 9 dec 1986

second marriage- 20 April 2003

 

 

Regards,

bhagavathi

 

Priaymbada's analysis :

 

This woman had got married for the first time on 9 Dec.1986 in the mahadasha of

Jupiter the seventh lord and the antardasha of Mars. A happy married life

followed till a disaster struck her when her husband developed jaundice which

could not be cured and turned fatal for him.

 

In her case it was the period of Saturn-Venus, those of enigmatic periods in

which there can be some big upset in one's life and everything can turn topsy

turvy.

 

The astrological reasons for this disaster are clear. Saturn the eighth lord in

his own house with Jupiter the seventh lord aspected by Mars could cause a

disaster and in turn aspecting Mars showed the event clearly in this case.

 

Venus is debilitated and the seventh lord from Venus, Jupiter repeats the story

of this tragic incident.

 

In the navamsha seventh lord Moon with the eighth lord Sun and Saturn and with

Venus in the sixth house made the picture gloomier.

 

Examining her horoscope, I advised her to have a second marriage which she

agreed to, more so because the man she was going to marry, a widower, had been

asked by his own daughter from his first wife to marry a second time.

 

Her second marriage took place on 20 April 2003. Though there have been some

controversies for the house to be seen for the second marriage, we have found in

our replicable researches that the ninth house, the third one from the seventh,

gives us a valuable clue in this matter.

 

She was running the mahadasha of Saturn and the antardasha of Rahu. Rahu in the

third house here is seventh from the ninth house. Saturn was in Vrisha in

transit when her second marriage was finalised. From here he was aspecting the

ninth house and Jupiter was in Karka aspecting the ninth lord Saturn in the

eighth house.

 

Thus the dasha and transits were favourable when she got married for the second

time.

[Guest guest]

DEAR BHAGAVATHI JI

 

 

Sure go ahead with all available info and combinations for it

we need to to study all the available options on analysis

 

prashant

 

 

 

 

________________________________

bhagavathi_hariharan <bhagavathi_hariharan

 

Saturday, May 30, 2009 9:21:22 AM

Re: seconD marrage considerated by which house ?

 

 

 

 

 

Shenoyji and all,

 

This is a chart of a woman posted in J of astrology. DOB 28 Oct, 1961; 21.15hrs,

Agra

 

The article was titled second marriage, chart analyzed by astrologer priyambada.

She has taken 9H for second marriage. We can discuss this if interested

 

first marriage of the native- 9 dec 1986

second marriage- 20 April 2003

 

Regards,

bhagavathi

 

Priaymbada's analysis :

 

This woman had got married for the first time on 9 Dec.1986 in the mahadasha of

Jupiter the seventh lord and the antardasha of Mars. A happy married life

followed till a disaster struck her when her husband developed jaundice which

could not be cured and turned fatal for him.

 

In her case it was the period of Saturn-Venus, those of enigmatic periods in

which there can be some big upset in one's life and everything can turn topsy

turvy.

 

The astrological reasons for this disaster are clear. Saturn the eighth lord in

his own house with Jupiter the seventh lord aspected by Mars could cause a

disaster and in turn aspecting Mars showed the event clearly in this case.

 

Venus is debilitated and the seventh lord from Venus, Jupiter repeats the story

of this tragic incident.

 

In the navamsha seventh lord Moon with the eighth lord Sun and Saturn and with

Venus in the sixth house made the picture gloomier.

 

Examining her horoscope, I advised her to have a second marriage which she

agreed to, more so because the man she was going to marry, a widower, had been

asked by his own daughter from his first wife to marry a second time.

 

Her second marriage took place on 20 April 2003. Though there have been some

controversies for the house to be seen for the second marriage, we have found in

our replicable researches that the ninth house, the third one from the seventh,

gives us a valuable clue in this matter.

 

She was running the mahadasha of Saturn and the antardasha of Rahu. Rahu in the

third house here is seventh from the ninth house. Saturn was in Vrisha in

transit when her second marriage was finalised. From here he was aspecting the

ninth house and Jupiter was in Karka aspecting the ninth lord Saturn in the

eighth house.

 

Thus the dasha and transits were favourable when she got married for the second

time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

first marriage of the native- 9 dec 1986: Jup-Mar

Death of first husband : Sat-Ven

second marriage- 20 April 2003 : Sat-Rah

 

Dear Bhagavathi,

Thank very much you for presenting this case as a case study.

The arguments put forth are very valid. However, our point of discussion was

about the 2nd wife. We already know that there are some differences in the case

of marriage for male & female horoscope. Yet considering that 7th house

indicates the " kalathra " in both cases, as said Jupiter is the planet that has

to be considered from lagna, Chandra & venus.

If we consider the verse in uttarakalamritha (quoted, as there are other methods

described in the same book), the first marriage / husband is indicated by

Jupiter and the 2nd is indicated by Moon (8th from the 7th house). As we already

know, the first marriage took place in the Jupiter maha dasa (7th lord), does

Moon has any such role or does the 2nd person has lagna / Chandra lagna / venus

/ navamsa related with moon ?.

 

The big question is how do we know that this native has " dvibhartriyoga " before

hand?. And if such is the case who are they? What planets do they represent? Is

this not our main discussion?.

From the chart, 7th lord Jupiter, Kalatra karaka Venus & atma karaka Sun are

debilated. This itself is a cue as to what the native may have to go through in

life. Aspect of Mars who is along with with debilated sun, Venus debilated and

along with retrograde Mercury and in its exaltation sign (though own sign as per

longitude), aspect of moon to the 7th house all point to multiple marriages or

atleast severe problems related with marriage. Jupiter is first rate malefic for

Gemini as it is maraca as well having Kendradhipathya dosha (which is highest

for Jupiter). Moon aspecting the 7th house is situated in a dual sign of Gemini

( " sa gada - sa veena " ) and hence the number indicated by moon is two.

 

In my earlier message, I had said that the no of navamsa of the 7th planet of

aspecting the 7th indicates the no of marriages and the navamsa lords may

indicate the persons.

This is very clear in this chart. Jupiter the 7th lord is in the second navamsa.

Moon's aspect from Gemini as well navamsa (4th navamsa – 4th & 8th navamsa are

not considered good) also has contributed very much to the outcome. It is also

interesting to note that this case has a lot to do with the aspected sign

(Jupiter) & navamsa sign (Saturn) of the Moon, first marriage in Jupiter dasa &

second marriage in Saturn dasa.

 

The Attributes of the Saturn (2nd navamsa lord) also conforms to the fact that

the second person is a widower. This is further indicated by the fact that the

7th lord from Saturn (moon) is in the 6th, 7th house is having Gulika (mandi in

jhora), Ketu in its 2nd house (kutumba sthana). In fact, we can clearly see the

relationships and the reason for both of them joining. Fortunately, this is a

much simpler horoscope with definitive indications and only one planet aspecting

the 7th. What if more planets are similarly associated?. Frankly though the

arguments satisfies largely, I would like to have more details to confirm

further about the arguments and regarding the said verse.

 

The 2nd marriage in the dasa of Saturn and Anthara of Rahu : Rahu is placed in

the 8th of Jupiter (7th lord) – Mangalya sthana for females. More over there two

benefic planets in its 2nd also. Even if we consider the 2nd navamsa of Jupiter

(aquarius), Rahu is in the 7th.

 

As stated by you 9th house (bhagya sthana) gives lot of cues regarding the

marriage (including re-marriage), particularly regarding females. this is

conformed by many classical texts.

 

 

Regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " bhagavathi_hariharan "

<bhagavathi_hariharan wrote:

>

> Shenoyji and all,

>

> This is a chart of a woman posted in J of astrology. DOB 28 Oct, 1961;

21.15hrs, Agra

>

> The article was titled second marriage, chart analyzed by astrologer

priyambada. She has taken 9H for second marriage. We can discuss this if

interested

>

> first marriage of the native- 9 dec 1986

> second marriage- 20 April 2003

>

>

> Regards,

> bhagavathi

>

> Priaymbada's analysis :

>

> This woman had got married for the first time on 9 Dec.1986 in the mahadasha

of Jupiter the seventh lord and the antardasha of Mars. A happy married life

followed till a disaster struck her when her husband developed jaundice which

could not be cured and turned fatal for him.

>

> In her case it was the period of Saturn-Venus, those of enigmatic periods in

which there can be some big upset in one's life and everything can turn topsy

turvy.

>

> The astrological reasons for this disaster are clear. Saturn the eighth lord

in his own house with Jupiter the seventh lord aspected by Mars could cause a

disaster and in turn aspecting Mars showed the event clearly in this case.

>

> Venus is debilitated and the seventh lord from Venus, Jupiter repeats the

story of this tragic incident.

>

> In the navamsha seventh lord Moon with the eighth lord Sun and Saturn and with

Venus in the sixth house made the picture gloomier.

>

> Examining her horoscope, I advised her to have a second marriage which she

agreed to, more so because the man she was going to marry, a widower, had been

asked by his own daughter from his first wife to marry a second time.

>

> Her second marriage took place on 20 April 2003. Though there have been some

controversies for the house to be seen for the second marriage, we have found in

our replicable researches that the ninth house, the third one from the seventh,

gives us a valuable clue in this matter.

>

> She was running the mahadasha of Saturn and the antardasha of Rahu. Rahu in

the third house here is seventh from the ninth house. Saturn was in Vrisha in

transit when her second marriage was finalised. From here he was aspecting the

ninth house and Jupiter was in Karka aspecting the ninth lord Saturn in the

eighth house.

>

> Thus the dasha and transits were favourable when she got married for the

second time.

>

[Guest guest]

Shenoyji/Prashantji,

 

Thank you very much for the discussion. Well, if you notice that astrologer has

considered saturn in " rishabh " on the day of second marriage. But Saturn was in

gemini that time. So that is an error in the article. I was trying to figure out

the transit of jup and saturn on the day of her both marriages. I will post my

views on this chart soon.

 

This chart is particularly interesting for case study as lagna/moon happen to be

in the same sign. Again, 7L from lagna/moon/karaka are the same Jupiter

 

Regards,

bhagavathi

[Guest guest]

, " bhagavathi_hariharan "

<bhagavathi_hariharan wrote:

>

> Shenoyji/Prashantji,

>

> Thank you very much for the discussion. Well, if you notice that astrologer

has considered saturn in " rishabh " on the day of second marriage. But Saturn was

in gemini that time. So that is an error in the article. I was trying to figure

out the transit of jup and saturn on the day of her both marriages. I will post

my views on this chart soon.

>

> This chart is particularly interesting for case study as lagna/moon happen to

be in the same sign. Again, 7L from lagna/moon/karaka are the same Jupiter

>

> Regards,

> bhagavathi

>

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