seconD marrage considerated by which house ? 30/5

[Guest guest]

Dear Suresh Babu,

 

well this is a v clear case on Dwi-kalatra isnt it

 

starting from B V Ramans how to judge a Horoscope Vol 2 if 7th lord is in 6,8,12

in D1 or D9

 

OTHER CLASSICAL WORKS 7th neecha

7th in Dusthana and in 8th

with 8th lord Sani

aspected by 6th lord Kuja

 

yhid the 2nd marriage due to death of 1st spouse is clear here

 

now this Marriage has happened in Gur=rah-suk

 

Suk from D1 LAGNA IS 5th lord and in 4th a sukhasthana in D9 it is in the 7th

amsa inKataka

 

now end of 1st marriage no date is given

 

so lets see 2nd marriage

 

in San-rah-suk between 9/2 to 1/8/03

firther levels san-rah-sukra-Rah-sani 19/4 to 23/4/03

 

here sani is 8th lord that denotes the 2nd marriage lord in D9

Sani, ravi, chandra are part of Makara in Lagna itself

 

as 8th lord in Lagna itself with 8th amsa lord.

 

There r several other Dwi-kalatra Yogas

 

which r given in detail in Hora rathna Mala a telugu classic english version by

NN Krishna rao has been donated to Sivananda ashram its Kalatra Bhava slokas are

quite rare and THROWS A LOT OF LIGHT on the current trend of plural/multiple

marruages

be it natural end [sickness, death] accidents, legal breaks or livin in

relationships or a commuting/travelling spouse

 

NNK's son said he will give me the rights of these books can distribute/sell it

as we please if it happens can share it as NNK is my guru's guru to who he has

promised not to share these works I must respect his wishes as well.

 

if and when i get it on paper legally will show it to my guru and get his

approval also my Guru is 87 yrs old and NNK's son is later 50's only survuvung

member of the family

 

his other works r quite good as well

BPHS 2 VOL, Missing links in Hindu astrology, saravali, Kerala sutras, nakshatra

and tithi Phala, Brigu sutras...

 

Prashant

 

I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non

Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth

data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in

the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. - G B Prashant Kumar

Life Member ICAS.

/database?method=reportRows & tbl=6

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag

 

Saturday, May 30, 2009 1:02:23 PM

Re: seconD marrage considerated by which house ?

 

 

 

 

 

first marriage of the native- 9 dec 1986: Jup-Mar

Death of first husband : Sat-Ven

second marriage- 20 April 2003 : Sat-Rah

 

Dear Bhagavathi,

Thank very much you for presenting this case as a case study.

The arguments put forth are very valid. However, our point of discussion was

about the 2nd wife. We already know that there are some differences in the case

of marriage for male & female horoscope. Yet considering that 7th house

indicates the " kalathra " in both cases, as said Jupiter is the planet that has

to be considered from lagna, Chandra & venus.

If we consider the verse in uttarakalamritha (quoted, as there are other methods

described in the same book), the first marriage / husband is indicated by

Jupiter and the 2nd is indicated by Moon (8th from the 7th house). As we already

know, the first marriage took place in the Jupiter maha dasa (7th lord), does

Moon has any such role or does the 2nd person has lagna / Chandra lagna / venus

/ navamsa related with moon ?.

 

The big question is how do we know that this native has " dvibhartriyoga " before

hand?. And if such is the case who are they? What planets do they represent? Is

this not our main discussion?.

From the chart, 7th lord Jupiter, Kalatra karaka Venus & atma karaka Sun are

debilated. This itself is a cue as to what the native may have to go through in

life. Aspect of Mars who is along with with debilated sun, Venus debilated and

along with retrograde Mercury and in its exaltation sign (though own sign as per

longitude), aspect of moon to the 7th house all point to multiple marriages or

atleast severe problems related with marriage. Jupiter is first rate malefic for

Gemini as it is maraca as well having Kendradhipathya dosha (which is highest

for Jupiter). Moon aspecting the 7th house is situated in a dual sign of Gemini

( " sa gada - sa veena " ) and hence the number indicated by moon is two.

 

In my earlier message, I had said that the no of navamsa of the 7th planet of

aspecting the 7th indicates the no of marriages and the navamsa lords may

indicate the persons.

This is very clear in this chart. Jupiter the 7th lord is in the second navamsa.

Moon's aspect from Gemini as well navamsa (4th navamsa – 4th & 8th navamsa are

not considered good) also has contributed very much to the outcome. It is also

interesting to note that this case has a lot to do with the aspected sign

(Jupiter) & navamsa sign (Saturn) of the Moon, first marriage in Jupiter dasa &

second marriage in Saturn dasa.

 

The Attributes of the Saturn (2nd navamsa lord) also conforms to the fact that

the second person is a widower. This is further indicated by the fact that the

7th lord from Saturn (moon) is in the 6th, 7th house is having Gulika (mandi in

jhora), Ketu in its 2nd house (kutumba sthana). In fact, we can clearly see the

relationships and the reason for both of them joining. Fortunately, this is a

much simpler horoscope with definitive indications and only one planet aspecting

the 7th. What if more planets are similarly associated?. Frankly though the

arguments satisfies largely, I would like to have more details to confirm

further about the arguments and regarding the said verse.

 

The 2nd marriage in the dasa of Saturn and Anthara of Rahu : Rahu is placed in

the 8th of Jupiter (7th lord) – Mangalya sthana for females. More over there

two benefic planets in its 2nd also. Even if we consider the 2nd navamsa of

Jupiter (aquarius), Rahu is in the 7th.

 

As stated by you 9th house (bhagya sthana) gives lot of cues regarding the

marriage (including re-marriage) , particularly regarding females. this is

conformed by many classical texts.

 

Regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

, " bhagavathi_ hariharan " <bhagavathi_

hariharan@ ...> wrote:

>

> Shenoyji and all,

>

> This is a chart of a woman posted in J of astrology. DOB 28 Oct, 1961;

21.15hrs, Agra

>

> The article was titled second marriage, chart analyzed by astrologer

priyambada. She has taken 9H for second marriage. We can discuss this if

interested

>

> first marriage of the native- 9 dec 1986

> second marriage- 20 April 2003

>

>

> Regards,

> bhagavathi

>

> Priaymbada's analysis :

>

> This woman had got married for the first time on 9 Dec.1986 in the mahadasha

of Jupiter the seventh lord and the antardasha of Mars. A happy married life

followed till a disaster struck her when her husband developed jaundice which

could not be cured and turned fatal for him.

>

> In her case it was the period of Saturn-Venus, those of enigmatic periods in

which there can be some big upset in one's life and everything can turn topsy

turvy.

>

> The astrological reasons for this disaster are clear. Saturn the eighth lord

in his own house with Jupiter the seventh lord aspected by Mars could cause a

disaster and in turn aspecting Mars showed the event clearly in this case.

>

> Venus is debilitated and the seventh lord from Venus, Jupiter repeats the

story of this tragic incident.

>

> In the navamsha seventh lord Moon with the eighth lord Sun and Saturn and with

Venus in the sixth house made the picture gloomier.

>

> Examining her horoscope, I advised her to have a second marriage which she

agreed to, more so because the man she was going to marry, a widower, had been

asked by his own daughter from his first wife to marry a second time.

>

> Her second marriage took place on 20 April 2003. Though there have been some

controversies for the house to be seen for the second marriage, we have found in

our replicable researches that the ninth house, the third one from the seventh,

gives us a valuable clue in this matter.

>

> She was running the mahadasha of Saturn and the antardasha of Rahu. Rahu in

the third house here is seventh from the ninth house. Saturn was in Vrisha in

transit when her second marriage was finalised. From here he was aspecting the

ninth house and Jupiter was in Karka aspecting the ninth lord Saturn in the

eighth house.

>

> Thus the dasha and transits were favourable when she got married for the

second time.

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Prashant,

 

Yes, this is very clear case of " dvi kalatra " yoga. The way the planets have

paired together and one of them in each pair debilated is very special.

 

Hora ratna is a wonderfull book. I have its Sanskrit-Hindi version translated by

Dr.Muralidhar Chaturvedi. Only problem is he has mixed a lot of verses from

almost all other works, which I am not sure whether it is part of the original

work. We cannot be sure if some part is missing as you have mentioned about the

special yoga regarding kalatra bhava.

 

Uttarakalamritha itself provides another way to know about the 2nd marriage

which is practicaly a copy from parashara hora using bhava pada & upa pada. BUT

the major difference is the way kalidasa has recomended to find the bhava pada.

Both Jaimini & Parashara give certain exceptions in this regard while Kalidasa

does not. He also restricts to find the bhava pada to only bhavas (minus 3, 6, 8

& 12), while Parasara & jaimini do not. The reason for this restriction beats

me.

 

You will find that this chart conforms by this method also. Kalidasa further

goes on to state that the no of kalatra can be found from the no of navamsa.

This view is illustrated in Hora Ratna also.

 

regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

wrote:

>

> Dear Suresh Babu,

>

> well this is a v clear case on Dwi-kalatra isnt it

>

> starting from B V Ramans how to judge a Horoscope Vol 2 if 7th lord is in

6,8,12 in D1 or D9

>

> OTHER CLASSICAL WORKS 7th neecha

> 7th in Dusthana and in 8th

> with 8th lord Sani

> aspected by 6th lord Kuja

>

> yhid the 2nd marriage due to death of 1st spouse is clear here

>

> now this Marriage has happened in Gur=rah-suk

>

> Suk from D1 LAGNA IS 5th lord and in 4th a sukhasthana in D9 it is in the 7th

amsa inKataka

>

> now end of 1st marriage no date is given

>

> so lets see 2nd marriage

>

> in San-rah-suk between 9/2 to 1/8/03

> firther levels san-rah-sukra-Rah-sani 19/4 to 23/4/03

>

> here sani is 8th lord that denotes the 2nd marriage lord in D9

> Sani, ravi, chandra are part of Makara in Lagna itself

>

> as 8th lord in Lagna itself with 8th amsa lord.

>

> There r several other Dwi-kalatra Yogas

>

> which r given in detail in Hora rathna Mala a telugu classic english version

by NN Krishna rao has been donated to Sivananda ashram its Kalatra Bhava slokas

are quite rare and THROWS A LOT OF LIGHT on the current trend of plural/multiple

marruages

> be it natural end [sickness, death] accidents, legal breaks or livin in

relationships or a commuting/travelling spouse

>

> NNK's son said he will give me the rights of these books can distribute/sell

it as we please if it happens can share it as NNK is my guru's guru to who he

has promised not to share these works I must respect his wishes as well.

>

> if and when i get it on paper legally will show it to my guru and get his

approval also my Guru is 87 yrs old and NNK's son is later 50's only survuvung

member of the family

>

> his other works r quite good as well

> BPHS 2 VOL, Missing links in Hindu astrology, saravali, Kerala sutras,

nakshatra and tithi Phala, Brigu sutras...

>

> Prashant

>

> I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non

Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth

data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in

the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. - G B Prashant Kumar

Life Member ICAS.

>

/database?method=reportRows & tbl=6

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag

>

> Saturday, May 30, 2009 1:02:23 PM

> Re: seconD marrage considerated by which house ?

>

>

>

>

>

> first marriage of the native- 9 dec 1986: Jup-Mar

> Death of first husband : Sat-Ven

> second marriage- 20 April 2003 : Sat-Rah

>

> Dear Bhagavathi,

> Thank very much you for presenting this case as a case study.

> The arguments put forth are very valid. However, our point of discussion was

about the 2nd wife. We already know that there are some differences in the case

of marriage for male & female horoscope. Yet considering that 7th house

indicates the " kalathra " in both cases, as said Jupiter is the planet that has

to be considered from lagna, Chandra & venus.

> If we consider the verse in uttarakalamritha (quoted, as there are other

methods described in the same book), the first marriage / husband is indicated

by Jupiter and the 2nd is indicated by Moon (8th from the 7th house). As we

already know, the first marriage took place in the Jupiter maha dasa (7th lord),

does Moon has any such role or does the 2nd person has lagna / Chandra lagna /

venus / navamsa related with moon ?.

>

> The big question is how do we know that this native has " dvibhartriyoga "

before hand?. And if such is the case who are they? What planets do they

represent? Is this not our main discussion?.

> From the chart, 7th lord Jupiter, Kalatra karaka Venus & atma karaka Sun are

debilated. This itself is a cue as to what the native may have to go through in

life. Aspect of Mars who is along with with debilated sun, Venus debilated and

along with retrograde Mercury and in its exaltation sign (though own sign as per

longitude), aspect of moon to the 7th house all point to multiple marriages or

atleast severe problems related with marriage. Jupiter is first rate malefic for

Gemini as it is maraca as well having Kendradhipathya dosha (which is highest

for Jupiter). Moon aspecting the 7th house is situated in a dual sign of Gemini

( " sa gada - sa veena " ) and hence the number indicated by moon is two.

>

> In my earlier message, I had said that the no of navamsa of the 7th planet of

aspecting the 7th indicates the no of marriages and the navamsa lords may

indicate the persons.

> This is very clear in this chart. Jupiter the 7th lord is in the second

navamsa.

> Moon's aspect from Gemini as well navamsa (4th navamsa †" 4th & 8th navamsa

are not considered good) also has contributed very much to the outcome. It is

also interesting to note that this case has a lot to do with the aspected sign

(Jupiter) & navamsa sign (Saturn) of the Moon, first marriage in Jupiter dasa &

second marriage in Saturn dasa.

>

> The Attributes of the Saturn (2nd navamsa lord) also conforms to the fact that

the second person is a widower. This is further indicated by the fact that the

7th lord from Saturn (moon) is in the 6th, 7th house is having Gulika (mandi in

jhora), Ketu in its 2nd house (kutumba sthana). In fact, we can clearly see the

relationships and the reason for both of them joining. Fortunately, this is a

much simpler horoscope with definitive indications and only one planet aspecting

the 7th. What if more planets are similarly associated?. Frankly though the

arguments satisfies largely, I would like to have more details to confirm

further about the arguments and regarding the said verse.

>

> The 2nd marriage in the dasa of Saturn and Anthara of Rahu : Rahu is placed in

the 8th of Jupiter (7th lord) †" Mangalya sthana for females. More over there

two benefic planets in its 2nd also. Even if we consider the 2nd navamsa of

Jupiter (aquarius), Rahu is in the 7th.

>

> As stated by you 9th house (bhagya sthana) gives lot of cues regarding the

marriage (including re-marriage) , particularly regarding females. this is

conformed by many classical texts.

>

> Regards

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> , " bhagavathi_ hariharan "

<bhagavathi_ hariharan@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Shenoyji and all,

> >

> > This is a chart of a woman posted in J of astrology. DOB 28 Oct, 1961;

21.15hrs, Agra

> >

> > The article was titled second marriage, chart analyzed by astrologer

priyambada. She has taken 9H for second marriage. We can discuss this if

interested

> >

> > first marriage of the native- 9 dec 1986

> > second marriage- 20 April 2003

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> > bhagavathi

> >

> > Priaymbada's analysis :

> >

> > This woman had got married for the first time on 9 Dec.1986 in the mahadasha

of Jupiter the seventh lord and the antardasha of Mars. A happy married life

followed till a disaster struck her when her husband developed jaundice which

could not be cured and turned fatal for him.

> >

> > In her case it was the period of Saturn-Venus, those of enigmatic periods in

which there can be some big upset in one's life and everything can turn topsy

turvy.

> >

> > The astrological reasons for this disaster are clear. Saturn the eighth lord

in his own house with Jupiter the seventh lord aspected by Mars could cause a

disaster and in turn aspecting Mars showed the event clearly in this case.

> >

> > Venus is debilitated and the seventh lord from Venus, Jupiter repeats the

story of this tragic incident.

> >

> > In the navamsha seventh lord Moon with the eighth lord Sun and Saturn and

with Venus in the sixth house made the picture gloomier.

> >

> > Examining her horoscope, I advised her to have a second marriage which she

agreed to, more so because the man she was going to marry, a widower, had been

asked by his own daughter from his first wife to marry a second time.

> >

> > Her second marriage took place on 20 April 2003. Though there have been some

controversies for the house to be seen for the second marriage, we have found in

our replicable researches that the ninth house, the third one from the seventh,

gives us a valuable clue in this matter.

> >

> > She was running the mahadasha of Saturn and the antardasha of Rahu. Rahu in

the third house here is seventh from the ninth house. Saturn was in Vrisha in

transit when her second marriage was finalised. From here he was aspecting the

ninth house and Jupiter was in Karka aspecting the ninth lord Saturn in the

eighth house.

> >

> > Thus the dasha and transits were favourable when she got married for the

second time.

> >

>

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Friends,

Very Good discussion dwikaltra yoga.But here it means both wives continue to

exist or in the absence of one 2nd marraige is not clear?

Second it was also metioned " no of kalatra can be found from the no of

navamsa " This needs some further eloberation as number of navamsa dpend on degree

and nature of sign.It is possible to know about bahu vivaha

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Sat, 5/30/09, sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag wrote:

 

 

sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag

Re: seconD marrage considerated by which house ? 30/5

 

Saturday, May 30, 2009, 7:00 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Prashant,

 

Yes, this is very clear case of " dvi kalatra " yoga. The way the planets have

paired together and one of them in each pair debilated is very special.

 

Hora ratna is a wonderfull book. I have its Sanskrit-Hindi version translated by

Dr.Muralidhar Chaturvedi. Only problem is he has mixed a lot of verses from

almost all other works, which I am not sure whether it is part of the original

work. We cannot be sure if some part is missing as you have mentioned about the

special yoga regarding kalatra bhava.

 

Uttarakalamritha itself provides another way to know about the 2nd marriage

which is practicaly a copy from parashara hora using bhava pada & upa pada. BUT

the major difference is the way kalidasa has recomended to find the bhava pada.

Both Jaimini & Parashara give certain exceptions in this regard while Kalidasa

does not. He also restricts to find the bhava pada to only bhavas (minus 3, 6, 8

& 12), while Parasara & jaimini do not. The reason for this restriction beats

me.

 

You will find that this chart conforms by this method also. Kalidasa further

goes on to state that the no of kalatra can be found from the no of navamsa.

This view is illustrated in Hora Ratna also.

 

regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Dear Suresh Babu,

>

> well this is a v clear case on Dwi-kalatra isnt it

>

> starting from B V Ramans how to judge a Horoscope Vol 2 if 7th lord is in

6,8,12 in D1 or D9

>

> OTHER CLASSICAL WORKS 7th neecha

> 7th in Dusthana and in 8th

> with 8th lord Sani

> aspected by 6th lord Kuja

>

> yhid the 2nd marriage due to death of 1st spouse is clear here

>

> now this Marriage has happened in Gur=rah-suk

>

> Suk from D1 LAGNA IS 5th lord and in 4th a sukhasthana in D9 it is in the 7th

amsa inKataka

>

> now end of 1st marriage no date is given

>

> so lets see 2nd marriage

>

> in San-rah-suk between 9/2 to 1/8/03

> firther levels san-rah-sukra- Rah-sani 19/4 to 23/4/03

>

> here sani is 8th lord that denotes the 2nd marriage lord in D9

> Sani, ravi, chandra are part of Makara in Lagna itself

>

> as 8th lord in Lagna itself with 8th amsa lord.

>

> There r several other Dwi-kalatra Yogas

>

> which r given in detail in Hora rathna Mala a telugu classic english version

by NN Krishna rao has been donated to Sivananda ashram its Kalatra Bhava slokas

are quite rare and THROWS A LOT OF LIGHT on the current trend of plural/multiple

marruages

> be it natural end [sickness, death] accidents, legal breaks or livin in

relationships or a commuting/travellin g spouse

>

> NNK's son said he will give me the rights of these books can distribute/sell

it as we please if it happens can share it as NNK is my guru's guru to who he

has promised not to share these works I must respect his wishes as well.

>

> if and when i get it on paper legally will show it to my guru and get his

approval also my Guru is 87 yrs old and NNK's son is later 50's only survuvung

member of the family

>

> his other works r quite good as well

> BPHS 2 VOL, Missing links in Hindu astrology, saravali, Kerala sutras,

nakshatra and tithi Phala, Brigu sutras...

>

> Prashant

>

> I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non

Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth

data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in

the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. - G B Prashant Kumar

Life Member ICAS.

> http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow

s & tbl=6

>

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@ ...>

>

> Saturday, May 30, 2009 1:02:23 PM

> Re: seconD marrage considerated by which house ?

>

>

>

>

>

> first marriage of the native- 9 dec 1986: Jup-Mar

> Death of first husband : Sat-Ven

> second marriage- 20 April 2003 : Sat-Rah

>

> Dear Bhagavathi,

> Thank very much you for presenting this case as a case study.

> The arguments put forth are very valid. However, our point of discussion was

about the 2nd wife. We already know that there are some differences in the case

of marriage for male & female horoscope. Yet considering that 7th house

indicates the " kalathra " in both cases, as said Jupiter is the planet that has

to be considered from lagna, Chandra & venus.

> If we consider the verse in uttarakalamritha (quoted, as there are other

methods described in the same book), the first marriage / husband is indicated

by Jupiter and the 2nd is indicated by Moon (8th from the 7th house). As we

already know, the first marriage took place in the Jupiter maha dasa (7th lord),

does Moon has any such role or does the 2nd person has lagna / Chandra lagna /

venus / navamsa related with moon ?.

>

> The big question is how do we know that this native has " dvibhartriyoga "

before hand?. And if such is the case who are they? What planets do they

represent? Is this not our main discussion?.

> From the chart, 7th lord Jupiter, Kalatra karaka Venus & atma karaka Sun are

debilated. This itself is a cue as to what the native may have to go through in

life. Aspect of Mars who is along with with debilated sun, Venus debilated and

along with retrograde Mercury and in its exaltation sign (though own sign as per

longitude), aspect of moon to the 7th house all point to multiple marriages or

atleast severe problems related with marriage. Jupiter is first rate malefic for

Gemini as it is maraca as well having Kendradhipathya dosha (which is highest

for Jupiter). Moon aspecting the 7th house is situated in a dual sign of Gemini

( " sa gada - sa veena " ) and hence the number indicated by moon is two.

>

> In my earlier message, I had said that the no of navamsa of the 7th planet of

aspecting the 7th indicates the no of marriages and the navamsa lords may

indicate the persons.

> This is very clear in this chart. Jupiter the 7th lord is in the second

navamsa.

> Moon's aspect from Gemini as well navamsa (4th navamsa †" 4th & 8th

navamsa are not considered good) also has contributed very much to the outcome.

It is also interesting to note that this case has a lot to do with the aspected

sign (Jupiter) & navamsa sign (Saturn) of the Moon, first marriage in Jupiter

dasa & second marriage in Saturn dasa.

>

> The Attributes of the Saturn (2nd navamsa lord) also conforms to the fact that

the second person is a widower. This is further indicated by the fact that the

7th lord from Saturn (moon) is in the 6th, 7th house is having Gulika (mandi in

jhora), Ketu in its 2nd house (kutumba sthana). In fact, we can clearly see the

relationships and the reason for both of them joining. Fortunately, this is a

much simpler horoscope with definitive indications and only one planet aspecting

the 7th. What if more planets are similarly associated?. Frankly though the

arguments satisfies largely, I would like to have more details to confirm

further about the arguments and regarding the said verse.

>

> The 2nd marriage in the dasa of Saturn and Anthara of Rahu : Rahu is placed in

the 8th of Jupiter (7th lord) †" Mangalya sthana for females. More over

there two benefic planets in its 2nd also. Even if we consider the 2nd navamsa

of Jupiter (aquarius), Rahu is in the 7th.

>

> As stated by you 9th house (bhagya sthana) gives lot of cues regarding the

marriage (including re-marriage) , particularly regarding females. this is

conformed by many classical texts.

>

> Regards

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> , " bhagavathi_ hariharan "

<bhagavathi_ hariharan@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Shenoyji and all,

> >

> > This is a chart of a woman posted in J of astrology. DOB 28 Oct, 1961;

21.15hrs, Agra

> >

> > The article was titled second marriage, chart analyzed by astrologer

priyambada. She has taken 9H for second marriage. We can discuss this if

interested

> >

> > first marriage of the native- 9 dec 1986

> > second marriage- 20 April 2003

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> > bhagavathi

> >

> > Priaymbada's analysis :

> >

> > This woman had got married for the first time on 9 Dec.1986 in the mahadasha

of Jupiter the seventh lord and the antardasha of Mars. A happy married life

followed till a disaster struck her when her husband developed jaundice which

could not be cured and turned fatal for him.

> >

> > In her case it was the period of Saturn-Venus, those of enigmatic periods in

which there can be some big upset in one's life and everything can turn topsy

turvy.

> >

> > The astrological reasons for this disaster are clear. Saturn the eighth lord

in his own house with Jupiter the seventh lord aspected by Mars could cause a

disaster and in turn aspecting Mars showed the event clearly in this case.

> >

> > Venus is debilitated and the seventh lord from Venus, Jupiter repeats the

story of this tragic incident.

> >

> > In the navamsha seventh lord Moon with the eighth lord Sun and Saturn and

with Venus in the sixth house made the picture gloomier.

> >

> > Examining her horoscope, I advised her to have a second marriage which she

agreed to, more so because the man she was going to marry, a widower, had been

asked by his own daughter from his first wife to marry a second time.

> >

> > Her second marriage took place on 20 April 2003. Though there have been some

controversies for the house to be seen for the second marriage, we have found in

our replicable researches that the ninth house, the third one from the seventh,

gives us a valuable clue in this matter.

> >

> > She was running the mahadasha of Saturn and the antardasha of Rahu. Rahu in

the third house here is seventh from the ninth house. Saturn was in Vrisha in

transit when her second marriage was finalised. From here he was aspecting the

ninth house and Jupiter was in Karka aspecting the ninth lord Saturn in the

eighth house.

> >

> > Thus the dasha and transits were favourable when she got married for the

second time.

> >

>

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Krishna ji

 

well it is a yoga, dwi-kalatra or bahu kalatra but this is subject to the laws

of the land=desha, kala paristhiti

 

even in this u wind where polygamy is prevalanet and legal ppl with 1 or max 2

spouses and in countries like ours where polygamy is not legal but is left in

seqular domain it is legal

 

but the big and mighty do still have plural spouses and we are also witnessing a

global transcient marriages trend within a marriage or before it one may devlop

a special feeling/relationship with some one and may not have resulted in a

marriage some do live both sides still with consent or cover from the 1st

spouse. tthis will be the most difficult to fit any astrological paridigan.

 

NOW as u said in ur question on dwi- Bahu there r many known combinations

already isnt it apart from some works that have done some more work by the

authors experience

 

as said HORA RATHNA MALA is one such i find the 6th and 7th houses treated best

in it and NNK has added some more color to it to make it even brighter to the

context of our times.

 

No of spouses can be gauged from the position the 7th lord occupies in D9 is

also a pouplar point where all amsas occupied by natural malefics

 

NOT COUNTED along with eveil amsas or dusthana amsas and what is left is

considered

 

what is ur epxeriences and the way KN Rao ji has handled this pl let us know as

well. and topics in JoA on this u find interesting u can bring in for adding

value to the thread.

 

Best Wishes

 

Prashant

 

I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non

Raman's. - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

/database?method=reportRows & tbl=6

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

vattem krishnan <bursar_99

 

Saturday, May 30, 2009 6:52:19 PM

Re: seconD marrage considerated by which house ? 30/5

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Friends,

Very Good discussion dwikaltra yoga.But here it means both wives continue to

exist or in the absence of one 2nd marraige is not clear?

Second it was also metioned " no of kalatra can be found from the no of

navamsa " This needs some further eloberation as number of navamsa dpend on degree

and nature of sign.It is possible to know about bahu vivaha

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Sat, 5/30/09, sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

 

sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@ >

Re: seconD marrage considerated by which house ? 30/5

 

Saturday, May 30, 2009, 7:00 AM

 

Dear Prashant,

 

Yes, this is very clear case of " dvi kalatra " yoga. The way the planets have

paired together and one of them in each pair debilated is very special.

 

Hora ratna is a wonderfull book. I have its Sanskrit-Hindi version translated by

Dr.Muralidhar Chaturvedi. Only problem is he has mixed a lot of verses from

almost all other works, which I am not sure whether it is part of the original

work. We cannot be sure if some part is missing as you have mentioned about the

special yoga regarding kalatra bhava.

 

Uttarakalamritha itself provides another way to know about the 2nd marriage

which is practicaly a copy from parashara hora using bhava pada & upa pada. BUT

the major difference is the way kalidasa has recomended to find the bhava pada.

Both Jaimini & Parashara give certain exceptions in this regard while Kalidasa

does not. He also restricts to find the bhava pada to only bhavas (minus 3, 6, 8

& 12), while Parasara & jaimini do not. The reason for this restriction beats

me.

 

You will find that this chart conforms by this method also. Kalidasa further

goes on to state that the no of kalatra can be found from the no of navamsa.

This view is illustrated in Hora Ratna also.

 

regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Dear Suresh Babu,

>

> well this is a v clear case on Dwi-kalatra isnt it

>

> starting from B V Ramans how to judge a Horoscope Vol 2 if 7th lord is in

6,8,12 in D1 or D9

>

> OTHER CLASSICAL WORKS 7th neecha

> 7th in Dusthana and in 8th

> with 8th lord Sani

> aspected by 6th lord Kuja

>

> yhid the 2nd marriage due to death of 1st spouse is clear here

>

> now this Marriage has happened in Gur=rah-suk

>

> Suk from D1 LAGNA IS 5th lord and in 4th a sukhasthana in D9 it is in the 7th

amsa inKataka

>

> now end of 1st marriage no date is given

>

> so lets see 2nd marriage

>

> in San-rah-suk between 9/2 to 1/8/03

> firther levels san-rah-sukra- Rah-sani 19/4 to 23/4/03

>

> here sani is 8th lord that denotes the 2nd marriage lord in D9

> Sani, ravi, chandra are part of Makara in Lagna itself

>

> as 8th lord in Lagna itself with 8th amsa lord.

>

> There r several other Dwi-kalatra Yogas

>

> which r given in detail in Hora rathna Mala a telugu classic english version

by NN Krishna rao has been donated to Sivananda ashram its Kalatra Bhava slokas

are quite rare and THROWS A LOT OF LIGHT on the current trend of plural/multiple

marruages

> be it natural end [sickness, death] accidents, legal breaks or livin in

relationships or a commuting/travellin g spouse

>

> NNK's son said he will give me the rights of these books can distribute/sell

it as we please if it happens can share it as NNK is my guru's guru to who he

has promised not to share these works I must respect his wishes as well.

>

> if and when i get it on paper legally will show it to my guru and get his

approval also my Guru is 87 yrs old and NNK's son is later 50's only survuvung

member of the family

>

> his other works r quite good as well

> BPHS 2 VOL, Missing links in Hindu astrology, saravali, Kerala sutras,

nakshatra and tithi Phala, Brigu sutras...

>

> Prashant

>

> I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non

Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth

data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in

the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. - G B Prashant Kumar

Life Member ICAS.

> http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow

s & tbl=6

>

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@ ...>

>

> Saturday, May 30, 2009 1:02:23 PM

> Re: seconD marrage considerated by which house ?

>

>

>

>

>

> first marriage of the native- 9 dec 1986: Jup-Mar

> Death of first husband : Sat-Ven

> second marriage- 20 April 2003 : Sat-Rah

>

> Dear Bhagavathi,

> Thank very much you for presenting this case as a case study.

> The arguments put forth are very valid. However, our point of discussion was

about the 2nd wife. We already know that there are some differences in the case

of marriage for male & female horoscope. Yet considering that 7th house

indicates the " kalathra " in both cases, as said Jupiter is the planet that has

to be considered from lagna, Chandra & venus.

> If we consider the verse in uttarakalamritha (quoted, as there are other

methods described in the same book), the first marriage / husband is indicated

by Jupiter and the 2nd is indicated by Moon (8th from the 7th house). As we

already know, the first marriage took place in the Jupiter maha dasa (7th lord),

does Moon has any such role or does the 2nd person has lagna / Chandra lagna /

venus / navamsa related with moon ?.

>

> The big question is how do we know that this native has " dvibhartriyoga "

before hand?. And if such is the case who are they? What planets do they

represent? Is this not our main discussion?.

> From the chart, 7th lord Jupiter, Kalatra karaka Venus & atma karaka Sun are

debilated. This itself is a cue as to what the native may have to go through in

life. Aspect of Mars who is along with with debilated sun, Venus debilated and

along with retrograde Mercury and in its exaltation sign (though own sign as per

longitude), aspect of moon to the 7th house all point to multiple marriages or

atleast severe problems related with marriage. Jupiter is first rate malefic for

Gemini as it is maraca as well having Kendradhipathya dosha (which is highest

for Jupiter). Moon aspecting the 7th house is situated in a dual sign of Gemini

( " sa gada - sa veena " ) and hence the number indicated by moon is two.

>

> In my earlier message, I had said that the no of navamsa of the 7th planet of

aspecting the 7th indicates the no of marriages and the navamsa lords may

indicate the persons.

> This is very clear in this chart. Jupiter the 7th lord is in the second

navamsa.

> Moon's aspect from Gemini as well navamsa (4th navamsa †" 4th & 8th

navamsa are not considered good) also has contributed very much to the outcome.

It is also interesting to note that this case has a lot to do with the aspected

sign (Jupiter) & navamsa sign (Saturn) of the Moon, first marriage in Jupiter

dasa & second marriage in Saturn dasa.

>

> The Attributes of the Saturn (2nd navamsa lord) also conforms to the fact that

the second person is a widower. This is further indicated by the fact that the

7th lord from Saturn (moon) is in the 6th, 7th house is having Gulika (mandi in

jhora), Ketu in its 2nd house (kutumba sthana). In fact, we can clearly see the

relationships and the reason for both of them joining. Fortunately, this is a

much simpler horoscope with definitive indications and only one planet aspecting

the 7th. What if more planets are similarly associated?. Frankly though the

arguments satisfies largely, I would like to have more details to confirm

further about the arguments and regarding the said verse.

>

> The 2nd marriage in the dasa of Saturn and Anthara of Rahu : Rahu is placed in

the 8th of Jupiter (7th lord) †" Mangalya sthana for females. More over

there two benefic planets in its 2nd also. Even if we consider the 2nd navamsa

of Jupiter (aquarius), Rahu is in the 7th.

>

> As stated by you 9th house (bhagya sthana) gives lot of cues regarding the

marriage (including re-marriage) , particularly regarding females. this is

conformed by many classical texts.

>

> Regards

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> , " bhagavathi_ hariharan "

<bhagavathi_ hariharan@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Shenoyji and all,

> >

> > This is a chart of a woman posted in J of astrology. DOB 28 Oct, 1961;

21.15hrs, Agra

> >

> > The article was titled second marriage, chart analyzed by astrologer

priyambada. She has taken 9H for second marriage. We can discuss this if

interested

> >

> > first marriage of the native- 9 dec 1986

> > second marriage- 20 April 2003

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> > bhagavathi

> >

> > Priaymbada's analysis :

> >

> > This woman had got married for the first time on 9 Dec.1986 in the mahadasha

of Jupiter the seventh lord and the antardasha of Mars. A happy married life

followed till a disaster struck her when her husband developed jaundice which

could not be cured and turned fatal for him.

> >

> > In her case it was the period of Saturn-Venus, those of enigmatic periods in

which there can be some big upset in one's life and everything can turn topsy

turvy.

> >

> > The astrological reasons for this disaster are clear. Saturn the eighth lord

in his own house with Jupiter the seventh lord aspected by Mars could cause a

disaster and in turn aspecting Mars showed the event clearly in this case.

> >

> > Venus is debilitated and the seventh lord from Venus, Jupiter repeats the

story of this tragic incident.

> >

> > In the navamsha seventh lord Moon with the eighth lord Sun and Saturn and

with Venus in the sixth house made the picture gloomier.

> >

> > Examining her horoscope, I advised her to have a second marriage which she

agreed to, more so because the man she was going to marry, a widower, had been

asked by his own daughter from his first wife to marry a second time.

> >

> > Her second marriage took place on 20 April 2003. Though there have been some

controversies for the house to be seen for the second marriage, we have found in

our replicable researches that the ninth house, the third one from the seventh,

gives us a valuable clue in this matter.

> >

> > She was running the mahadasha of Saturn and the antardasha of Rahu. Rahu in

the third house here is seventh from the ninth house. Saturn was in Vrisha in

transit when her second marriage was finalised. From here he was aspecting the

ninth house and Jupiter was in Karka aspecting the ninth lord Saturn in the

eighth house.

> >

> > Thus the dasha and transits were favourable when she got married for the

second time.

> >

>

 

[Guest guest]

Dear all,

 

Other learned members have expressed their views, which seem to fit well for the

chart under consideration

 

Oct 28, 1961, 21.15, Agra

 

I am analyzing transit of jupiter and saturn on the day of her marriages

 

On her first marriage, jupiter transited over aquarius, her 9H and saturn

transited over her 6H. Saturn aspects the 7L jupiter. Jupiter aspects the lagna

(Note: Jupiter does not influence 7H or 7L from either lagna/moon/karaka)

 

On her second marriage, saturn transited over her lagna and jupiter transited

over her 2H. So both transits that time strongly influenced the 2H.

 

Vim dasha on second marriage- Sat/Rahu/Rahu- Sat joins jupiter, the 7L and both

aspect 2H. Interstingly, the second lord moon is in rahu nakshatra. There is a

strong influence of rahu. Rahu denotes unconventionality in the marriage.

 

Conclusion: Does 2H indicate matters related to second marriage?

 

Regards,

bhagavathi

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhagavathy & others

 

Simply put NO.

 

What you have presented is only the transit positions of planets which conforms

to the following

 

yo.aste tiShTati yashcha pashati tayorasteshiiturvvaathate-

naaruuDhaaMshabhanaathayoruushanasastaaraadhinaathasya vaa

yadvaa lagnapasaMshritaaMshakapateryasmin dashaa vaapahaa-

rosmin syaat samaye vivaahaghaTanaa raahoshcha kechit jaguH..

a) Planets in the 7th

b) planet aspecting the 7th

c) 7th lord

d) Lord of the sign occupied by the 7th Lord

e) Navamsa Lord of the 7th lord

f) Venus

g) Moon

h) Navamsa Lord of the Lagna

Marriage could take place in the dasa or apahara of the above stated planets.

Some acharyas hold that marriage can take place during Rahu dasa / apahara also.

 

jaamitre tadashiishvaraashritagR^ihe yadvaanayoH saptame

dharmme vaa.atha sute charanti bhR^igubhuulagnaastajanmeshvaraaH

kaale yatra charedyadaa cha dhiiShaNodyuuneshabhaaMsharkshayo-

ryadvaa tatsutadharmmayoH sa samayaH prodvaahadaayii nR^iNaam..

 

a) Venus

b) Lagna Lord

c) 7th lord

d) Chandra lagna lord

 

1)7th house & 7th / 9th / 5th from this house

2)ign occupied by the 7th lord & 7th / 9th / 5th from this house

Marriage shall take place when planets as refered by a,b,c & d TRANSIT the

position as refered in 1 & 2

Or

When Jupiter transits the sign occupied by the 7th lord, its navamsa sign , 5th

/ 9th from both these sign.

 

Both the above are from Jatakadesha marga

 

I hope this answers your question.

 

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

 

, " bhagavathi_hariharan "

<bhagavathi_hariharan wrote:

>

> Dear all,

>

> Other learned members have expressed their views, which seem to fit well for

the chart under consideration

>

> Oct 28, 1961, 21.15, Agra

>

> I am analyzing transit of jupiter and saturn on the day of her marriages

>

> On her first marriage, jupiter transited over aquarius, her 9H and saturn

transited over her 6H. Saturn aspects the 7L jupiter. Jupiter aspects the lagna

(Note: Jupiter does not influence 7H or 7L from either lagna/moon/karaka)

>

> On her second marriage, saturn transited over her lagna and jupiter transited

over her 2H. So both transits that time strongly influenced the 2H.

>

> Vim dasha on second marriage- Sat/Rahu/Rahu- Sat joins jupiter, the 7L and

both aspect 2H. Interstingly, the second lord moon is in rahu nakshatra. There

is a strong influence of rahu. Rahu denotes unconventionality in the marriage.

>

> Conclusion: Does 2H indicate matters related to second marriage?

>

> Regards,

> bhagavathi

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Shri Suresh Ji,Prasant Ji and Bhagavat jee,

Perfectly holds good for cases where marriages fail as well lead to 2nd

marriage/marriagea or extra marital relationship.The significance of karakas as

well as the house is always held in esteem.

Even JOA,a group of students from Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan under the guidance of

Shri K.N.Rao also came out such inferences which Shri Suresh Ji has rightly

summarised.

When it is the issue of marraige the significance is to hold the hand under some

custom or tradition be it under Bible or under Hindu Marriage Act with religious

significance.

The deviations however caused under compulsions of bahu Bharya Vihas are under

some compulsions but made as per some convictions also stem from the

significance of 7th and 9th lords and their disposition.

This validates various propositions made in jyotish sastras.Vivaha is matter of

significance after yavavana and jataka chakra details give status of 7th house

as kalatra bhava.The fitness of the bhava that come s through vivaha yog also

enables as per our sastras to perform for sevaral sanskaras.This is how vivaha

adhyaya by looking at the 7th house,7th lord besides venus or jupiter as the

case may be is respected

vrkrishnan

--- On Sun, 5/31/09, sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag wrote:

 

 

sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag

Re: seconD marrage considerated by which house ? 30/5

 

Sunday, May 31, 2009, 3:10 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Bhagavathy & others

 

Simply put NO.

 

What you have presented is only the transit positions of planets which conforms

to the following

 

yo.aste tiShTati yashcha pashati tayorasteshiiturvva athate-

naaruuDhaaMshabhana athayoruushanasa staaraadhinaatha sya vaa

yadvaa lagnapasaMshritaaMs hakapateryasmin dashaa vaapahaa-

rosmin syaat samaye vivaahaghaTanaa raahoshcha kechit jaguH..

a) Planets in the 7th

b) planet aspecting the 7th

c) 7th lord

d) Lord of the sign occupied by the 7th Lord

e) Navamsa Lord of the 7th lord

f) Venus

g) Moon

h) Navamsa Lord of the Lagna

Marriage could take place in the dasa or apahara of the above stated planets.

Some acharyas hold that marriage can take place during Rahu dasa / apahara also.

 

jaamitre tadashiishvaraashri tagR^ihe yadvaanayoH saptame

dharmme vaa.atha sute charanti bhR^igubhuulagnaast ajanmeshvaraaH

kaale yatra charedyadaa cha dhiiShaNodyuuneshab haaMsharkshayo-

ryadvaa tatsutadharmmayoH sa samayaH prodvaahadaayii nR^iNaam..

 

a) Venus

b) Lagna Lord

c) 7th lord

d) Chandra lagna lord

 

1)7th house & 7th / 9th / 5th from this house

2)ign occupied by the 7th lord & 7th / 9th / 5th from this house

Marriage shall take place when planets as refered by a,b,c & d TRANSIT the

position as refered in 1 & 2

Or

When Jupiter transits the sign occupied by the 7th lord, its navamsa sign , 5th

/ 9th from both these sign.

 

Both the above are from Jatakadesha marga

 

I hope this answers your question.

 

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

, " bhagavathi_ hariharan " <bhagavathi_

hariharan@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear all,

>

> Other learned members have expressed their views, which seem to fit well for

the chart under consideration

>

> Oct 28, 1961, 21.15, Agra

>

> I am analyzing transit of jupiter and saturn on the day of her marriages

>

> On her first marriage, jupiter transited over aquarius, her 9H and saturn

transited over her 6H. Saturn aspects the 7L jupiter. Jupiter aspects the lagna

(Note: Jupiter does not influence 7H or 7L from either lagna/moon/karaka)

>

> On her second marriage, saturn transited over her lagna and jupiter transited

over her 2H. So both transits that time strongly influenced the 2H.

>

> Vim dasha on second marriage- Sat/Rahu/Rahu- Sat joins jupiter, the 7L and

both aspect 2H. Interstingly, the second lord moon is in rahu nakshatra. There

is a strong influence of rahu. Rahu denotes unconventionality in the marriage.

>

> Conclusion: Does 2H indicate matters related to second marriage?

>

> Regards,

> bhagavathi

>