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Vinay ji

 

 

a good post and both u and gautam have done well in this largely

 

except ur latest rest is good

 

in the latest u said it is a wasted time. u must see it in totality [it is v

good]

 

ur good answers in

 

ppl born at same time...

and also diff aircrafts to diff dir is possible same time not same place...

ALSO THE 2 affected countries also as point of study.

 

for this study of the NEw Moon chart in both destinations can help a clearer

answer.

 

 

there r replied in v good spirit and logic

 

only area i found difficult at the end only i found the time of the air crash,

its possible location this alone if it was part of the top cud make it easy

read.

 

but it is good exchange., lets see if anyone else uses the data and comes up

with the regular practices and logic as well.

 

 

Prashant

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16

 

Tuesday, June 2, 2009 2:51:37 PM

Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009

 

 

 

 

 

There are strict flight regulation rules in force everywhere. No two

commercial flights can be allowed to take off for same destination from

same place simultaneously.

 

My analysis showed affliction of Brazil and areas around france for that time,

and main chart was based for a particular moment at Rio de Janeiro.

 

A little known method has been buried under a useless discussion on flight

regulation rules. Now, no one will read the original article. I am sorry to have

wasted my time.

 

-vj

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Gautam.Rampal <gautam.rampal@ gmail.com>

 

Tuesday, June 2, 2009 2:07:29 PM

Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009

 

VJ,

 

you made a good analysis, usually in international airports multiple flights

take off from different runways at the same time.

 

Gautam

 

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

 

>

>

> This question is like another question that many persons are born at about

> the same time but why their destinies are different.

>

> The chart of take off was made from Rio de Janeiro. How many aircrafts took

> off from Rio de Janeirp at the same time ? Slight change in time will make

> one or two planets auspicious. This aircraft took off at the most

> inauspicious time when all planets were bad.

>

> Mundane charts show something bad related to areas around France and Brazil

> on that very day. Hence, why other aircrafts not related to both Brazil and

> France simultaneously should be affected ?

>

> I presented a little known technique which works wonderfully.

>

> -VJ

>

> ============ ===== ====

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Gautam.Rampal <gautam.rampal@ gmail.com <gautam.rampal% 40gmail.com> >

> <% 40. com>

> Tuesday, June 2, 2009 12:35:34 PM

> Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009

>

>

> i have a question, usually other aircrafts too taken off at the same time

> for thier respective destination, but why specially this one didnt reach.

>

> Regards,

> Gautam

>

> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:08 PM, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ >

> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > To All :

> >

> > The take off time of AF-447 was highly inauspicious according to

> > Suryasiddhantic Kundalee software :

> >

> > 1) Lords of 9th, 10th and 7th bhaavas in 6th house,

> >

> > 2) Rahu in 2nd,

> >

> > 3) Ketu in 8th,

> >

> > 4) Maarkesh (main killer) Saturn in 10th house of Sun, Saturn being

> > under highly malefic 72% lord-aspect control of Sun sitting in 6th. 1)

> >

> > 5) Rahu in the house of killer (2nd) had bitter enmical aspect relation

> > with malefic Sun.

> >

> > 6) Lord of ascendant Jupiter was in enemy Saturn's 3rd house and had

> > mutual aspect relation with Sun too.

> >

> > 7) Lord of 8th Moon had conjunction relation with Saturn and was in 69%

> > lord-aspect control of malefic Sun too

> >

> > 8) the only planet with some good potential was Mars, being in 5th house

> > in its moolatrikona, but there too it was conjunct with highly malefic

> > Venus which was in enemy's house and lord of 6th and 11th houses.

> >

> > Thus, entire chart is dominated by killer combinations. Persons whose

> > names begin with following letters have least chances of survival :

> >

> > l, m (pierced by main killer Saturn and by malefic Venus)

> >

> > retroflex t, j, l, m, u, nasal (anusvar) (pierced by second killer Moon)

> >

> > h, s, d, retroflex d, vowels e and u (pierced by third killer Ketu)

> >

> > l, ch, d, s, g, kh, m, vowel u (pierced by fourth killer Rahu)

> >

> > v,b,r,a kh, vowels u,e,au (pierced by subsidiary killer Sun)

> >

> > a,u,o (pierced by subsidiary killer Mercury)

> >

> > Mars has slight benefits for names beginning with u , but Moon and ketu

> > pierce it. No name is auspiciously pierced by any planet. There is

> > hardly any chance of a single survival, unless someone has strong

> > longevity combinations in his/her personal horoscope.

> >

> > Merucentric Medini Jyotisha (mundane) charts reveal following points :

> >

> > 1) In annual Merucentric chart at the time of Mesha Pravesha (sidereal

> > FPA, mid April), Saturn is maarakesh (main killer) and is in bitter

> > enemy's house, in watery naadi and afflicting France and adjoining areas

> > of North Atlantic. Rio de Janeiro was in inauspicious 6th house and in

> > airy naadi.

> >

> > 2) In Merucentric chart of 4th Nakshatra which contained crash time, 3rd

> > house contained France and adjoining areas, Saturn sitting there in

> > watery naadi, while the lord of 3rd house Sun was in airy naadi in

> > bitter enemical sign with Maarakesh moon and lagnesh Mercury in 12th

> > house. Rio de Janeiro was in 6th house lorded by Mars of moolatrikona.

> > Saturn was lord of 8th and related to maarakesh Moon and Sun in 12th,

> > which made Saturn the main killer. The duration of 4th Nakshatra is from

> > 25 May to 8 June 2009. 1-3 Nakshatras had better Saturn and better

> > maarakesh, hence the evil effects of Mesha Pravesha chart had to be

> > given during 4th Nakshatra (I've not analyzed future Nakshatras from 5

> > to 27 for the whole year).

> >

> > 3) In Merucentric chart of shashtyamsha (half day chart) which contained

> > crash time, Saturn sits in 6th house with Moon, both in watery naadis,

> > and 6th lord Sun sits in bitter enemy's sign in 3rd house having close

> > relation with Saturn and Moon . Saturn was a main killer by dint of

> > being lord of inauspicious 12th and 11th houses. Mid Atlantic was in

> > 8th house of Death. Since lord of 2nd maarakesh Mars was in its

> > mooltrikona and was in airy naadi together with enmical Mercury in

> > chandaa naadi, and exalted Venus was also having full aspect on northern

> > part of 8th house owned by it (Venus was exalted but malefic being lord

> > of 3rd and 8th houses), there was strong turbulence in mid Atlantic, esp

> > around equator which seems to be crash site according to charts as well

> > as reports.

> >

> > I analyzed all previous half-day shashtyamsha charts of 4th Nakshatra :

> > worst killer combination was in 12th shashtyamsha whose duration was

> > from 31 may 23:41:25 GMT to 1 June 12:15:58 GMT . Hence, 12th

> > shashtyamsha had to give the ominous results of 4th Nakshatra chart, in

> > the same way 4th Nakshatra was destined to give the result of Mesha

> > Pravesha chart in those regions.

> >

> > Crash time appears to be 0207 GMT (± 7 minutes) from internet news.

> > Charts made from expected crash site (~30 W and 10N) indicate that a

> > strong turbulence struck the aircraft at 02:04:19 GMT (when exalted

> > Venus in airy naadi entered 2nd house of Killer), just after which crash

> > took place.

> >

> > Here are some news items scanned through internet

> > <http://duard. com.br/blog/ af-447-voo- airfrance- lista-de-

> passageiros- todo\

> > s-mortos.html/ _45852693_ plane_crash2_ 466<http://duard. com.br/blog/

af-447-voo- airfrance- lista-de- passageiros- todos-mortos. html/_45852693_

> plane_crash2_ 466>>

>

> > :

> >

> > 0133 GMT, Monday 1 June: Last radar contact with flight AF 447,

> > according to the Brazilian air force. The jet had just passed the

> > Fernando de Noronha islands, about 350 km (217 miles) off the coast of

> > Brazil.

> >

> > 0200 GMT : the aircraft crossed into a high turbulence zone.

> >

> > 0214 GMT : last automated message received.

> >

> > 1140 GMT: Brazil's air force says Flight AF 447 was " well

> > advanced " over the Atlantic Ocean when it went missing.

> >

> > 1142 GMT: Air France confirms it received a message about an electrical

> > fault from the aircraft.

> >

> > 1213 GMT: Air France suggests the electrical fault may have been caused

> > by the plane suffering a lightning strike..

> >

> > 1651 GMT: French President Nicolas Sarkozy says the prospect of finding

> > survivors from the flight is " very slim " .

> >

> > Here are some names who were onboard ;

> >

> > 1.) Eirch Heine - President of Admistration Council of

> > ThyssenKrupp- Companhia Siderurgica do Atlantico(CSA)

> >

> > 2.) Luis Roberto Anastacio - President Michelin South America

> >

> > 3.) Antonio Guerios - IT Director Michelin

> >

> > 4.) Christin Pieraerts - Employee Michelin

> >

> > 5.) Dr. Roberto Correa Chem - Plastic Surgeon - Director of Skin Bank

> > and Chief of Plastic Surgery Service of Porto Alegre Hospital.(Porto

> > Alegre is a City in the South of Brazil)

> >

> > 6.) Vera Chem (Wife of Dr. Chem)

> >

> > 7.) Leticia Chem (daughter of Dr. Chem - International Roaming manager

> > of OI Phone Company

> >

> > 8.) Deise Possamai

> >

> > 9.) Marcelo Parente - Chief of Staff of Rio de Janeiro Mayor.

> >

> > 10.) Leonardo Veloso Dardengo - Oceanographer

> >

> > 11.) Pedro Luiz de Orleans e Braganca - Prince - Descendant of Don Pedro

> > II Brazilian Emperor 1822-1831

> >

> > 12.) Rino Zandonai - Director of the Trentini Nel Mondo Onlus

> > Association - Italy

> >

> > 13.) Giambattista Lenzi - Regional Conselor of Trentino Alto Adige -

> > Italy

> >

> > 14.) Gianni Zortea - Mayor, Canal San Bovo - Italy

> >

> > 15.) Silvio Barbato - Conductor Rio Municipal Theater.

> >

> > -Vinay Jha

> > ============ ========= == ======

> >

> >

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Prashant ji,

 

Gautam Ji was sincere, but he was not paying attention to the astrological

content. I had to analyze 17 detailed mundane charts for making one report (one

annual, four Nakshatra charts, 12 half-day charts). These charts make sense only

when used together. New Moon chart also showed Rio de Janeiro in 8th house

lorded by Saturn, but NM charts do not form an integral part of my method which

is based on ancient Yaamala Tantras. the time and place I gave were deduced from

astrological charts, but they broadly tally with the expected time and place

(exact location of crash site is not known, there is uncertainty of few hundred

kilometres.).

 

-VJ

 

======================= ==

 

 

________________________________

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

 

Tuesday, June 2, 2009 5:47:04 PM

Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 2/6

 

 

 

 

 

Vinay ji

 

a good post and both u and gautam have done well in this largely

 

except ur latest rest is good

 

in the latest u said it is a wasted time. u must see it in totality [it is v

good]

 

ur good answers in

 

ppl born at same time...

and also diff aircrafts to diff dir is possible same time not same place...

ALSO THE 2 affected countries also as point of study.

 

for this study of the NEw Moon chart in both destinations can help a clearer

answer.

 

there r replied in v good spirit and logic

 

only area i found difficult at the end only i found the time of the air crash,

its possible location this alone if it was part of the top cud make it easy

read.

 

but it is good exchange., lets see if anyone else uses the data and comes up

with the regular practices and logic as well.

 

Prashant

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ >

 

Tuesday, June 2, 2009 2:51:37 PM

Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009

 

There are strict flight regulation rules in force everywhere. No two

commercial flights can be allowed to take off for same destination from

same place simultaneously.

 

My analysis showed affliction of Brazil and areas around france for that time,

and main chart was based for a particular moment at Rio de Janeiro.

 

A little known method has been buried under a useless discussion on flight

regulation rules. Now, no one will read the original article. I am sorry to have

wasted my time.

 

-vj

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Gautam.Rampal <gautam.rampal@ gmail.com>

 

Tuesday, June 2, 2009 2:07:29 PM

Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009

 

VJ,

 

you made a good analysis, usually in international airports multiple flights

take off from different runways at the same time.

 

Gautam

 

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

 

>

>

> This question is like another question that many persons are born at about

> the same time but why their destinies are different.

>

> The chart of take off was made from Rio de Janeiro. How many aircrafts took

> off from Rio de Janeirp at the same time ? Slight change in time will make

> one or two planets auspicious. This aircraft took off at the most

> inauspicious time when all planets were bad.

>

> Mundane charts show something bad related to areas around France and Brazil

> on that very day. Hence, why other aircrafts not related to both Brazil and

> France simultaneously should be affected ?

>

> I presented a little known technique which works wonderfully.

>

> -VJ

>

> ============ ===== ====

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Gautam.Rampal <gautam.rampal@ gmail.com <gautam.rampal% 40gmail.com> >

> <% 40. com>

> Tuesday, June 2, 2009 12:35:34 PM

> Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009

>

>

> i have a question, usually other aircrafts too taken off at the same time

> for thier respective destination, but why specially this one didnt reach.

>

> Regards,

> Gautam

>

> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:08 PM, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ >

> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > To All :

> >

> > The take off time of AF-447 was highly inauspicious according to

> > Suryasiddhantic Kundalee software :

> >

> > 1) Lords of 9th, 10th and 7th bhaavas in 6th house,

> >

> > 2) Rahu in 2nd,

> >

> > 3) Ketu in 8th,

> >

> > 4) Maarkesh (main killer) Saturn in 10th house of Sun, Saturn being

> > under highly malefic 72% lord-aspect control of Sun sitting in 6th. 1)

> >

> > 5) Rahu in the house of killer (2nd) had bitter enmical aspect relation

> > with malefic Sun.

> >

> > 6) Lord of ascendant Jupiter was in enemy Saturn's 3rd house and had

> > mutual aspect relation with Sun too.

> >

> > 7) Lord of 8th Moon had conjunction relation with Saturn and was in 69%

> > lord-aspect control of malefic Sun too

> >

> > 8) the only planet with some good potential was Mars, being in 5th house

> > in its moolatrikona, but there too it was conjunct with highly malefic

> > Venus which was in enemy's house and lord of 6th and 11th houses.

> >

> > Thus, entire chart is dominated by killer combinations. Persons whose

> > names begin with following letters have least chances of survival :

> >

> > l, m (pierced by main killer Saturn and by malefic Venus)

> >

> > retroflex t, j, l, m, u, nasal (anusvar) (pierced by second killer Moon)

> >

> > h, s, d, retroflex d, vowels e and u (pierced by third killer Ketu)

> >

> > l, ch, d, s, g, kh, m, vowel u (pierced by fourth killer Rahu)

> >

> > v,b,r,a kh, vowels u,e,au (pierced by subsidiary killer Sun)

> >

> > a,u,o (pierced by subsidiary killer Mercury)

> >

> > Mars has slight benefits for names beginning with u , but Moon and ketu

> > pierce it. No name is auspiciously pierced by any planet. There is

> > hardly any chance of a single survival, unless someone has strong

> > longevity combinations in his/her personal horoscope.

> >

> > Merucentric Medini Jyotisha (mundane) charts reveal following points :

> >

> > 1) In annual Merucentric chart at the time of Mesha Pravesha (sidereal

> > FPA, mid April), Saturn is maarakesh (main killer) and is in bitter

> > enemy's house, in watery naadi and afflicting France and adjoining areas

> > of North Atlantic. Rio de Janeiro was in inauspicious 6th house and in

> > airy naadi.

> >

> > 2) In Merucentric chart of 4th Nakshatra which contained crash time, 3rd

> > house contained France and adjoining areas, Saturn sitting there in

> > watery naadi, while the lord of 3rd house Sun was in airy naadi in

> > bitter enemical sign with Maarakesh moon and lagnesh Mercury in 12th

> > house. Rio de Janeiro was in 6th house lorded by Mars of moolatrikona.

> > Saturn was lord of 8th and related to maarakesh Moon and Sun in 12th,

> > which made Saturn the main killer. The duration of 4th Nakshatra is from

> > 25 May to 8 June 2009. 1-3 Nakshatras had better Saturn and better

> > maarakesh, hence the evil effects of Mesha Pravesha chart had to be

> > given during 4th Nakshatra (I've not analyzed future Nakshatras from 5

> > to 27 for the whole year).

> >

> > 3) In Merucentric chart of shashtyamsha (half day chart) which contained

> > crash time, Saturn sits in 6th house with Moon, both in watery naadis,

> > and 6th lord Sun sits in bitter enemy's sign in 3rd house having close

> > relation with Saturn and Moon . Saturn was a main killer by dint of

> > being lord of inauspicious 12th and 11th houses. Mid Atlantic was in

> > 8th house of Death. Since lord of 2nd maarakesh Mars was in its

> > mooltrikona and was in airy naadi together with enmical Mercury in

> > chandaa naadi, and exalted Venus was also having full aspect on northern

> > part of 8th house owned by it (Venus was exalted but malefic being lord

> > of 3rd and 8th houses), there was strong turbulence in mid Atlantic, esp

> > around equator which seems to be crash site according to charts as well

> > as reports.

> >

> > I analyzed all previous half-day shashtyamsha charts of 4th Nakshatra :

> > worst killer combination was in 12th shashtyamsha whose duration was

> > from 31 may 23:41:25 GMT to 1 June 12:15:58 GMT . Hence, 12th

> > shashtyamsha had to give the ominous results of 4th Nakshatra chart, in

> > the same way 4th Nakshatra was destined to give the result of Mesha

> > Pravesha chart in those regions.

> >

> > Crash time appears to be 0207 GMT (± 7 minutes) from internet news.

> > Charts made from expected crash site (~30 W and 10N) indicate that a

> > strong turbulence struck the aircraft at 02:04:19 GMT (when exalted

> > Venus in airy naadi entered 2nd house of Killer), just after which crash

> > took place.

> >

> > Here are some news items scanned through internet

> > <http://duard. com.br/blog/ af-447-voo- airfrance- lista-de-

> passageiros- todo\

> > s-mortos.html/ _45852693_ plane_crash2_ 466<http://duard. com.br/blog/

af-447-voo- airfrance- lista-de- passageiros- todos-mortos. html/_45852693_

> plane_crash2_ 466>>

>

> > :

> >

> > 0133 GMT, Monday 1 June: Last radar contact with flight AF 447,

> > according to the Brazilian air force. The jet had just passed the

> > Fernando de Noronha islands, about 350 km (217 miles) off the coast of

> > Brazil.

> >

> > 0200 GMT : the aircraft crossed into a high turbulence zone.

> >

> > 0214 GMT : last automated message received.

> >

> > 1140 GMT: Brazil's air force says Flight AF 447 was " well

> > advanced " over the Atlantic Ocean when it went missing.

> >

> > 1142 GMT: Air France confirms it received a message about an electrical

> > fault from the aircraft.

> >

> > 1213 GMT: Air France suggests the electrical fault may have been caused

> > by the plane suffering a lightning strike..

> >

> > 1651 GMT: French President Nicolas Sarkozy says the prospect of finding

> > survivors from the flight is " very slim " .

> >

> > Here are some names who were onboard ;

> >

> > 1.) Eirch Heine - President of Admistration Council of

> > ThyssenKrupp- Companhia Siderurgica do Atlantico(CSA)

> >

> > 2.) Luis Roberto Anastacio - President Michelin South America

> >

> > 3.) Antonio Guerios - IT Director Michelin

> >

> > 4.) Christin Pieraerts - Employee Michelin

> >

> > 5.) Dr. Roberto Correa Chem - Plastic Surgeon - Director of Skin Bank

> > and Chief of Plastic Surgery Service of Porto Alegre Hospital.(Porto

> > Alegre is a City in the South of Brazil)

> >

> > 6.) Vera Chem (Wife of Dr. Chem)

> >

> > 7.) Leticia Chem (daughter of Dr. Chem - International Roaming manager

> > of OI Phone Company

> >

> > 8.) Deise Possamai

> >

> > 9.) Marcelo Parente - Chief of Staff of Rio de Janeiro Mayor.

> >

> > 10.) Leonardo Veloso Dardengo - Oceanographer

> >

> > 11..) Pedro Luiz de Orleans e Braganca - Prince - Descendant of Don Pedro

> > II Brazilian Emperor 1822-1831

> >

> > 12.) Rino Zandonai - Director of the Trentini Nel Mondo Onlus

> > Association - Italy

> >

> > 13.) Giambattista Lenzi - Regional Conselor of Trentino Alto Adige -

> > Italy

> >

> > 14.) Gianni Zortea - Mayor, Canal San Bovo - Italy

> >

> > 15.) Silvio Barbato - Conductor Rio Municipal Theater.

> >

> > -Vinay Jha

> > ============ ========= == ======

> >

> >

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Vinay ji

 

well my point was it was a good exchange this shows to reading members here how

peacefully and usefully it is done than shout or put down one another.

IRRESPECTIVE OF OUR METHOD logic if we can't argue with points max we can do is

read and keep quiet or ask for a clarification or two

 

we do understand the depth of our subject it too vast for anyone to master in

our lifetime with so many challenges to meet everyday to live.

 

and with no AIA Trojans around we can be more relaxed in our approach. to

queries, coments by fellow members

 

Prashant

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16

 

Tuesday, June 2, 2009 6:20:58 PM

Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 2/6

 

 

 

 

 

Prashant ji,

 

Gautam Ji was sincere, but he was not paying attention to the astrological

content. I had to analyze 17 detailed mundane charts for making one report (one

annual, four Nakshatra charts, 12 half-day charts). These charts make sense only

when used together. New Moon chart also showed Rio de Janeiro in 8th house

lorded by Saturn, but NM charts do not form an integral part of my method which

is based on ancient Yaamala Tantras. the time and place I gave were deduced from

astrological charts, but they broadly tally with the expected time and place

(exact location of crash site is not known, there is uncertainty of few hundred

kilometres.) .

 

-VJ

 

============ ========= == ==

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

 

Tuesday, June 2, 2009 5:47:04 PM

Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 2/6

 

Vinay ji

 

a good post and both u and gautam have done well in this largely

 

except ur latest rest is good

 

in the latest u said it is a wasted time. u must see it in totality [it is v

good]

 

ur good answers in

 

ppl born at same time...

and also diff aircrafts to diff dir is possible same time not same place...

ALSO THE 2 affected countries also as point of study.

 

for this study of the NEw Moon chart in both destinations can help a clearer

answer.

 

there r replied in v good spirit and logic

 

only area i found difficult at the end only i found the time of the air crash,

its possible location this alone if it was part of the top cud make it easy

read.

 

but it is good exchange., lets see if anyone else uses the data and comes up

with the regular practices and logic as well.

 

Prashant

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ >

 

Tuesday, June 2, 2009 2:51:37 PM

Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009

 

There are strict flight regulation rules in force everywhere. No two

commercial flights can be allowed to take off for same destination from

same place simultaneously.

 

My analysis showed affliction of Brazil and areas around france for that time,

and main chart was based for a particular moment at Rio de Janeiro.

 

A little known method has been buried under a useless discussion on flight

regulation rules. Now, no one will read the original article. I am sorry to have

wasted my time.

 

-vj

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Gautam.Rampal <gautam.rampal@ gmail.com>

 

Tuesday, June 2, 2009 2:07:29 PM

Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009

 

VJ,

 

you made a good analysis, usually in international airports multiple flights

take off from different runways at the same time.

 

Gautam

 

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

 

>

>

> This question is like another question that many persons are born at about

> the same time but why their destinies are different.

>

> The chart of take off was made from Rio de Janeiro. How many aircrafts took

> off from Rio de Janeirp at the same time ? Slight change in time will make

> one or two planets auspicious. This aircraft took off at the most

> inauspicious time when all planets were bad.

>

> Mundane charts show something bad related to areas around France and Brazil

> on that very day. Hence, why other aircrafts not related to both Brazil and

> France simultaneously should be affected ?

>

> I presented a little known technique which works wonderfully.

>

> -VJ

>

> ============ ===== ====

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Gautam.Rampal <gautam.rampal@ gmail.com <gautam.rampal% 40gmail.com> >

> <% 40. com>

> Tuesday, June 2, 2009 12:35:34 PM

> Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009

>

>

> i have a question, usually other aircrafts too taken off at the same time

> for thier respective destination, but why specially this one didnt reach.

>

> Regards,

> Gautam

>

> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:08 PM, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ >

> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > To All :

> >

> > The take off time of AF-447 was highly inauspicious according to

> > Suryasiddhantic Kundalee software :

> >

> > 1) Lords of 9th, 10th and 7th bhaavas in 6th house,

> >

> > 2) Rahu in 2nd,

> >

> > 3) Ketu in 8th,

> >

> > 4) Maarkesh (main killer) Saturn in 10th house of Sun, Saturn being

> > under highly malefic 72% lord-aspect control of Sun sitting in 6th. 1)

> >

> > 5) Rahu in the house of killer (2nd) had bitter enmical aspect relation

> > with malefic Sun.

> >

> > 6) Lord of ascendant Jupiter was in enemy Saturn's 3rd house and had

> > mutual aspect relation with Sun too.

> >

> > 7) Lord of 8th Moon had conjunction relation with Saturn and was in 69%

> > lord-aspect control of malefic Sun too

> >

> > 8) the only planet with some good potential was Mars, being in 5th house

> > in its moolatrikona, but there too it was conjunct with highly malefic

> > Venus which was in enemy's house and lord of 6th and 11th houses.

> >

> > Thus, entire chart is dominated by killer combinations. Persons whose

> > names begin with following letters have least chances of survival :

> >

> > l, m (pierced by main killer Saturn and by malefic Venus)

> >

> > retroflex t, j, l, m, u, nasal (anusvar) (pierced by second killer Moon)

> >

> > h, s, d, retroflex d, vowels e and u (pierced by third killer Ketu)

> >

> > l, ch, d, s, g, kh, m, vowel u (pierced by fourth killer Rahu)

> >

> > v,b,r,a kh, vowels u,e,au (pierced by subsidiary killer Sun)

> >

> > a,u,o (pierced by subsidiary killer Mercury)

> >

> > Mars has slight benefits for names beginning with u , but Moon and ketu

> > pierce it. No name is auspiciously pierced by any planet. There is

> > hardly any chance of a single survival, unless someone has strong

> > longevity combinations in his/her personal horoscope.

> >

> > Merucentric Medini Jyotisha (mundane) charts reveal following points :

> >

> > 1) In annual Merucentric chart at the time of Mesha Pravesha (sidereal

> > FPA, mid April), Saturn is maarakesh (main killer) and is in bitter

> > enemy's house, in watery naadi and afflicting France and adjoining areas

> > of North Atlantic. Rio de Janeiro was in inauspicious 6th house and in

> > airy naadi.

> >

> > 2) In Merucentric chart of 4th Nakshatra which contained crash time, 3rd

> > house contained France and adjoining areas, Saturn sitting there in

> > watery naadi, while the lord of 3rd house Sun was in airy naadi in

> > bitter enemical sign with Maarakesh moon and lagnesh Mercury in 12th

> > house. Rio de Janeiro was in 6th house lorded by Mars of moolatrikona.

> > Saturn was lord of 8th and related to maarakesh Moon and Sun in 12th,

> > which made Saturn the main killer. The duration of 4th Nakshatra is from

> > 25 May to 8 June 2009. 1-3 Nakshatras had better Saturn and better

> > maarakesh, hence the evil effects of Mesha Pravesha chart had to be

> > given during 4th Nakshatra (I've not analyzed future Nakshatras from 5

> > to 27 for the whole year).

> >

> > 3) In Merucentric chart of shashtyamsha (half day chart) which contained

> > crash time, Saturn sits in 6th house with Moon, both in watery naadis,

> > and 6th lord Sun sits in bitter enemy's sign in 3rd house having close

> > relation with Saturn and Moon . Saturn was a main killer by dint of

> > being lord of inauspicious 12th and 11th houses. Mid Atlantic was in

> > 8th house of Death. Since lord of 2nd maarakesh Mars was in its

> > mooltrikona and was in airy naadi together with enmical Mercury in

> > chandaa naadi, and exalted Venus was also having full aspect on northern

> > part of 8th house owned by it (Venus was exalted but malefic being lord

> > of 3rd and 8th houses), there was strong turbulence in mid Atlantic, esp

> > around equator which seems to be crash site according to charts as well

> > as reports.

> >

> > I analyzed all previous half-day shashtyamsha charts of 4th Nakshatra :

> > worst killer combination was in 12th shashtyamsha whose duration was

> > from 31 may 23:41:25 GMT to 1 June 12:15:58 GMT . Hence, 12th

> > shashtyamsha had to give the ominous results of 4th Nakshatra chart, in

> > the same way 4th Nakshatra was destined to give the result of Mesha

> > Pravesha chart in those regions.

> >

> > Crash time appears to be 0207 GMT (± 7 minutes) from internet news.

> > Charts made from expected crash site (~30 W and 10N) indicate that a

> > strong turbulence struck the aircraft at 02:04:19 GMT (when exalted

> > Venus in airy naadi entered 2nd house of Killer), just after which crash

> > took place.

> >

> > Here are some news items scanned through internet

> > <http://duard. com.br/blog/ af-447-voo- airfrance- lista-de-

> passageiros- todo\

> > s-mortos.html/ _45852693_ plane_crash2_ 466<http://duard. com.br/blog/

af-447-voo- airfrance- lista-de- passageiros- todos-mortos. html/_45852693_

> plane_crash2_ 466>>

>

> > :

> >

> > 0133 GMT, Monday 1 June: Last radar contact with flight AF 447,

> > according to the Brazilian air force. The jet had just passed the

> > Fernando de Noronha islands, about 350 km (217 miles) off the coast of

> > Brazil.

> >

> > 0200 GMT : the aircraft crossed into a high turbulence zone.

> >

> > 0214 GMT : last automated message received.

> >

> > 1140 GMT: Brazil's air force says Flight AF 447 was " well

> > advanced " over the Atlantic Ocean when it went missing.

> >

> > 1142 GMT: Air France confirms it received a message about an electrical

> > fault from the aircraft.

> >

> > 1213 GMT: Air France suggests the electrical fault may have been caused

> > by the plane suffering a lightning strike..

> >

> > 1651 GMT: French President Nicolas Sarkozy says the prospect of finding

> > survivors from the flight is " very slim " .

> >

> > Here are some names who were onboard ;

> >

> > 1.) Eirch Heine - President of Admistration Council of

> > ThyssenKrupp- Companhia Siderurgica do Atlantico(CSA)

> >

> > 2.) Luis Roberto Anastacio - President Michelin South America

> >

> > 3.) Antonio Guerios - IT Director Michelin

> >

> > 4.) Christin Pieraerts - Employee Michelin

> >

> > 5.) Dr. Roberto Correa Chem - Plastic Surgeon - Director of Skin Bank

> > and Chief of Plastic Surgery Service of Porto Alegre Hospital.(Porto

> > Alegre is a City in the South of Brazil)

> >

> > 6.) Vera Chem (Wife of Dr. Chem)

> >

> > 7.) Leticia Chem (daughter of Dr. Chem - International Roaming manager

> > of OI Phone Company

> >

> > 8.) Deise Possamai

> >

> > 9.) Marcelo Parente - Chief of Staff of Rio de Janeiro Mayor.

> >

> > 10.) Leonardo Veloso Dardengo - Oceanographer

> >

> > 11..) Pedro Luiz de Orleans e Braganca - Prince - Descendant of Don Pedro

> > II Brazilian Emperor 1822-1831

> >

> > 12.) Rino Zandonai - Director of the Trentini Nel Mondo Onlus

> > Association - Italy

> >

> > 13.) Giambattista Lenzi - Regional Conselor of Trentino Alto Adige -

> > Italy

> >

> > 14.) Gianni Zortea - Mayor, Canal San Bovo - Italy

> >

> > 15.) Silvio Barbato - Conductor Rio Municipal Theater.

> >

> > -Vinay Jha

> > ============ ========= == ======

> >

> >

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Well said Prashant Ji. No individual can grasp the vast ocean of Jyotisha, and

useless wordwars only choke it.

 

 

Many persons tried at aircraft crashes earlier and made valuable inputs, but I

introduced something which your attentive mind marked.

 

This method appears to be new but is actually as old as Jyotisha itself. This

method is very time consuming, but if used cautiously it can be used to predict

who can survive in crashes, and can be used to locate exact crash sites as I

tried.

 

-vj

 

 

________________________________

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

 

Tuesday, June 2, 2009 7:34:28 PM

Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 2/6

 

 

 

 

 

Vinay ji

 

well my point was it was a good exchange this shows to reading members here how

peacefully and usefully it is done than shout or put down one another.

IRRESPECTIVE OF OUR METHOD logic if we can't argue with points max we can do is

read and keep quiet or ask for a clarification or two

 

we do understand the depth of our subject it too vast for anyone to master in

our lifetime with so many challenges to meet everyday to live.

 

and with no AIA Trojans around we can be more relaxed in our approach. to

queries, coments by fellow members

 

Prashant

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ >

 

Tuesday, June 2, 2009 6:20:58 PM

Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 2/6

 

Prashant ji,

 

Gautam Ji was sincere, but he was not paying attention to the astrological

content. I had to analyze 17 detailed mundane charts for making one report (one

annual, four Nakshatra charts, 12 half-day charts). These charts make sense only

when used together. New Moon chart also showed Rio de Janeiro in 8th house

lorded by Saturn, but NM charts do not form an integral part of my method which

is based on ancient Yaamala Tantras. the time and place I gave were deduced from

astrological charts, but they broadly tally with the expected time and place

(exact location of crash site is not known, there is uncertainty of few hundred

kilometres.) .

 

-VJ

 

============ ========= == ==

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

 

Tuesday, June 2, 2009 5:47:04 PM

Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 2/6

 

Vinay ji

 

a good post and both u and gautam have done well in this largely

 

except ur latest rest is good

 

in the latest u said it is a wasted time. u must see it in totality [it is v

good]

 

ur good answers in

 

ppl born at same time....

and also diff aircrafts to diff dir is possible same time not same place...

ALSO THE 2 affected countries also as point of study.

 

for this study of the NEw Moon chart in both destinations can help a clearer

answer..

 

there r replied in v good spirit and logic

 

only area i found difficult at the end only i found the time of the air crash,

its possible location this alone if it was part of the top cud make it easy

read.

 

but it is good exchange., lets see if anyone else uses the data and comes up

with the regular practices and logic as well.

 

Prashant

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ >

 

Tuesday, June 2, 2009 2:51:37 PM

Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009

 

There are strict flight regulation rules in force everywhere. No two

commercial flights can be allowed to take off for same destination from

same place simultaneously.

 

My analysis showed affliction of Brazil and areas around france for that time,

and main chart was based for a particular moment at Rio de Janeiro.

 

A little known method has been buried under a useless discussion on flight

regulation rules. Now, no one will read the original article. I am sorry to have

wasted my time.

 

-vj

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Gautam.Rampal <gautam.rampal@ gmail.com>

 

Tuesday, June 2, 2009 2:07:29 PM

Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009

 

VJ,

 

you made a good analysis, usually in international airports multiple flights

take off from different runways at the same time.

 

Gautam

 

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

 

>

>

> This question is like another question that many persons are born at about

> the same time but why their destinies are different.

>

> The chart of take off was made from Rio de Janeiro. How many aircrafts took

> off from Rio de Janeirp at the same time ? Slight change in time will make

> one or two planets auspicious. This aircraft took off at the most

> inauspicious time when all planets were bad.

>

> Mundane charts show something bad related to areas around France and Brazil

> on that very day. Hence, why other aircrafts not related to both Brazil and

> France simultaneously should be affected ?

>

> I presented a little known technique which works wonderfully.

>

> -VJ

>

> ============ ===== ====

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Gautam.Rampal <gautam.rampal@ gmail.com <gautam.rampal% 40gmail.com> >

> <% 40. com>

> Tuesday, June 2, 2009 12:35:34 PM

> Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009

>

>

> i have a question, usually other aircrafts too taken off at the same time

> for thier respective destination, but why specially this one didnt reach.

>

> Regards,

> Gautam

>

> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:08 PM, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ >

> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > To All :

> >

> > The take off time of AF-447 was highly inauspicious according to

> > Suryasiddhantic Kundalee software :

> >

> > 1) Lords of 9th, 10th and 7th bhaavas in 6th house,

> >

> > 2) Rahu in 2nd,

> >

> > 3) Ketu in 8th,

> >

> > 4) Maarkesh (main killer) Saturn in 10th house of Sun, Saturn being

> > under highly malefic 72% lord-aspect control of Sun sitting in 6th. 1)

> >

> > 5) Rahu in the house of killer (2nd) had bitter enmical aspect relation

> > with malefic Sun.

> >

> > 6) Lord of ascendant Jupiter was in enemy Saturn's 3rd house and had

> > mutual aspect relation with Sun too.

> >

> > 7) Lord of 8th Moon had conjunction relation with Saturn and was in 69%

> > lord-aspect control of malefic Sun too

> >

> > 8) the only planet with some good potential was Mars, being in 5th house

> > in its moolatrikona, but there too it was conjunct with highly malefic

> > Venus which was in enemy's house and lord of 6th and 11th houses.

> >

> > Thus, entire chart is dominated by killer combinations. Persons whose

> > names begin with following letters have least chances of survival :

> >

> > l, m (pierced by main killer Saturn and by malefic Venus)

> >

> > retroflex t, j, l, m, u, nasal (anusvar) (pierced by second killer Moon)

> >

> > h, s, d, retroflex d, vowels e and u (pierced by third killer Ketu)

> >

> > l, ch, d, s, g, kh, m, vowel u (pierced by fourth killer Rahu)

> >

> > v,b,r,a kh, vowels u,e,au (pierced by subsidiary killer Sun)

> >

> > a,u,o (pierced by subsidiary killer Mercury)

> >

> > Mars has slight benefits for names beginning with u , but Moon and ketu

> > pierce it. No name is auspiciously pierced by any planet. There is

> > hardly any chance of a single survival, unless someone has strong

> > longevity combinations in his/her personal horoscope.

> >

> > Merucentric Medini Jyotisha (mundane) charts reveal following points :

> >

> > 1) In annual Merucentric chart at the time of Mesha Pravesha (sidereal

> > FPA, mid April), Saturn is maarakesh (main killer) and is in bitter

> > enemy's house, in watery naadi and afflicting France and adjoining areas

> > of North Atlantic. Rio de Janeiro was in inauspicious 6th house and in

> > airy naadi.

> >

> > 2) In Merucentric chart of 4th Nakshatra which contained crash time, 3rd

> > house contained France and adjoining areas, Saturn sitting there in

> > watery naadi, while the lord of 3rd house Sun was in airy naadi in

> > bitter enemical sign with Maarakesh moon and lagnesh Mercury in 12th

> > house. Rio de Janeiro was in 6th house lorded by Mars of moolatrikona.

> > Saturn was lord of 8th and related to maarakesh Moon and Sun in 12th,

> > which made Saturn the main killer. The duration of 4th Nakshatra is from

> > 25 May to 8 June 2009. 1-3 Nakshatras had better Saturn and better

> > maarakesh, hence the evil effects of Mesha Pravesha chart had to be

> > given during 4th Nakshatra (I've not analyzed future Nakshatras from 5

> > to 27 for the whole year).

> >

> > 3) In Merucentric chart of shashtyamsha (half day chart) which contained

> > crash time, Saturn sits in 6th house with Moon, both in watery naadis,

> > and 6th lord Sun sits in bitter enemy's sign in 3rd house having close

> > relation with Saturn and Moon . Saturn was a main killer by dint of

> > being lord of inauspicious 12th and 11th houses. Mid Atlantic was in

> > 8th house of Death. Since lord of 2nd maarakesh Mars was in its

> > mooltrikona and was in airy naadi together with enmical Mercury in

> > chandaa naadi, and exalted Venus was also having full aspect on northern

> > part of 8th house owned by it (Venus was exalted but malefic being lord

> > of 3rd and 8th houses), there was strong turbulence in mid Atlantic, esp

> > around equator which seems to be crash site according to charts as well

> > as reports.

> >

> > I analyzed all previous half-day shashtyamsha charts of 4th Nakshatra :

> > worst killer combination was in 12th shashtyamsha whose duration was

> > from 31 may 23:41:25 GMT to 1 June 12:15:58 GMT . Hence, 12th

> > shashtyamsha had to give the ominous results of 4th Nakshatra chart, in

> > the same way 4th Nakshatra was destined to give the result of Mesha

> > Pravesha chart in those regions.

> >

> > Crash time appears to be 0207 GMT (± 7 minutes) from internet news.

> > Charts made from expected crash site (~30 W and 10N) indicate that a

> > strong turbulence struck the aircraft at 02:04:19 GMT (when exalted

> > Venus in airy naadi entered 2nd house of Killer), just after which crash

> > took place.

> >

> > Here are some news items scanned through internet

> > <http://duard. com.br/blog/ af-447-voo- airfrance- lista-de-

> passageiros- todo\

> > s-mortos.html/ _45852693_ plane_crash2_ 466<http://duard. com.br/blog/

af-447-voo- airfrance- lista-de- passageiros- todos-mortos. html/_45852693_

> plane_crash2_ 466>>

>

> > :

> >

> > 0133 GMT, Monday 1 June: Last radar contact with flight AF 447,

> > according to the Brazilian air force. The jet had just passed the

> > Fernando de Noronha islands, about 350 km (217 miles) off the coast of

> > Brazil.

> >

> > 0200 GMT : the aircraft crossed into a high turbulence zone.

> >

> > 0214 GMT : last automated message received.

> >

> > 1140 GMT: Brazil's air force says Flight AF 447 was " well

> > advanced " over the Atlantic Ocean when it went missing.

> >

> > 1142 GMT: Air France confirms it received a message about an electrical

> > fault from the aircraft.

> >

> > 1213 GMT: Air France suggests the electrical fault may have been caused

> > by the plane suffering a lightning strike..

> >

> > 1651 GMT: French President Nicolas Sarkozy says the prospect of finding

> > survivors from the flight is " very slim " .

> >

> > Here are some names who were onboard ;

> >

> > 1.) Eirch Heine - President of Admistration Council of

> > ThyssenKrupp- Companhia Siderurgica do Atlantico(CSA)

> >

> > 2.) Luis Roberto Anastacio - President Michelin South America

> >

> > 3.) Antonio Guerios - IT Director Michelin

> >

> > 4.) Christin Pieraerts - Employee Michelin

> >

> > 5.) Dr. Roberto Correa Chem - Plastic Surgeon - Director of Skin Bank

> > and Chief of Plastic Surgery Service of Porto Alegre Hospital.(Porto

> > Alegre is a City in the South of Brazil)

> >

> > 6.) Vera Chem (Wife of Dr. Chem)

> >

> > 7.) Leticia Chem (daughter of Dr. Chem - International Roaming manager

> > of OI Phone Company

> >

> > 8.) Deise Possamai

> >

> > 9.) Marcelo Parente - Chief of Staff of Rio de Janeiro Mayor.

> >

> > 10.) Leonardo Veloso Dardengo - Oceanographer

> >

> > 11..) Pedro Luiz de Orleans e Braganca - Prince - Descendant of Don Pedro

> > II Brazilian Emperor 1822-1831

> >

> > 12.) Rino Zandonai - Director of the Trentini Nel Mondo Onlus

> > Association - Italy

> >

> > 13.) Giambattista Lenzi - Regional Conselor of Trentino Alto Adige -

> > Italy

> >

> > 14.) Gianni Zortea - Mayor, Canal San Bovo - Italy

> >

> > 15.) Silvio Barbato - Conductor Rio Municipal Theater.

> >

> > -Vinay Jha

> > ============ ========= == ======

> >

> >

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I think instead of judging the analysis given by VJ, i was more involved in

other outer aspects like time, multiple flights, locations which i should

have avoided.

 

Dear VJ, I visited your site and was surprised to learn about suryasiddhanta

most of the astrology softwares these days follow

swiss ephimeris or nasa jpl ephemeris. I am sure since you have credentials

to support your theory about the surya siddhanta which i know less about,

its good to see a different research work.

 

Regards,

Gautam

 

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

 

>

>

> Prashant ji,

>

> Gautam Ji was sincere, but he was not paying attention to the astrological

> content. I had to analyze 17 detailed mundane charts for making one report

> (one annual, four Nakshatra charts, 12 half-day charts). These charts make

> sense only when used together. New Moon chart also showed Rio de Janeiro in

> 8th house lorded by Saturn, but NM charts do not form an integral part of my

> method which is based on ancient Yaamala Tantras. the time and place I gave

> were deduced from astrological charts, but they broadly tally with the

> expected time and place (exact location of crash site is not known, there is

> uncertainty of few hundred kilometres.).

>

> -VJ

>

> ======================= ==

>

> ________________________________

> Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar <gbp_kumar%40>>

>

> <%40>

> Tuesday, June 2, 2009 5:47:04 PM

> Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 2/6

>

>

> Vinay ji

>

> a good post and both u and gautam have done well in this largely

>

> except ur latest rest is good

>

> in the latest u said it is a wasted time. u must see it in totality [it is

> v good]

>

> ur good answers in

>

> ppl born at same time...

> and also diff aircrafts to diff dir is possible same time not same place...

> ALSO THE 2 affected countries also as point of study.

>

> for this study of the NEw Moon chart in both destinations can help a

> clearer answer.

>

> there r replied in v good spirit and logic

>

> only area i found difficult at the end only i found the time of the air

> crash, its possible location this alone if it was part of the top cud make

> it easy read.

>

> but it is good exchange., lets see if anyone else uses the data and comes

> up with the regular practices and logic as well.

>

> Prashant

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ >

>

> Tuesday, June 2, 2009 2:51:37 PM

> Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009

>

> There are strict flight regulation rules in force everywhere. No two

> commercial flights can be allowed to take off for same destination from

> same place simultaneously.

>

> My analysis showed affliction of Brazil and areas around france for that

> time, and main chart was based for a particular moment at Rio de Janeiro.

>

> A little known method has been buried under a useless discussion on flight

> regulation rules. Now, no one will read the original article. I am sorry to

> have wasted my time.

>

> -vj

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Gautam.Rampal <gautam.rampal@ gmail.com>

>

> Tuesday, June 2, 2009 2:07:29 PM

> Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009

>

> VJ,

>

> you made a good analysis, usually in international airports multiple

> flights

> take off from different runways at the same time.

>

> Gautam

>

> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > This question is like another question that many persons are born at

> about

> > the same time but why their destinies are different.

> >

> > The chart of take off was made from Rio de Janeiro. How many aircrafts

> took

> > off from Rio de Janeirp at the same time ? Slight change in time will

> make

> > one or two planets auspicious. This aircraft took off at the most

> > inauspicious time when all planets were bad.

> >

> > Mundane charts show something bad related to areas around France and

> Brazil

> > on that very day. Hence, why other aircrafts not related to both Brazil

> and

> > France simultaneously should be affected ?

> >

> > I presented a little known technique which works wonderfully.

> >

> > -VJ

> >

> > ============ ===== ====

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Gautam.Rampal <gautam.rampal@ gmail.com <gautam.rampal%

> 40gmail.com> >

> > <% 40.

> com>

> > Tuesday, June 2, 2009 12:35:34 PM

> > Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009

> >

> >

> > i have a question, usually other aircrafts too taken off at the same time

> > for thier respective destination, but why specially this one didnt reach.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Gautam

> >

> > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:08 PM, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ >

> > wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > To All :

> > >

> > > The take off time of AF-447 was highly inauspicious according to

> > > Suryasiddhantic Kundalee software :

> > >

> > > 1) Lords of 9th, 10th and 7th bhaavas in 6th house,

> > >

> > > 2) Rahu in 2nd,

> > >

> > > 3) Ketu in 8th,

> > >

> > > 4) Maarkesh (main killer) Saturn in 10th house of Sun, Saturn being

> > > under highly malefic 72% lord-aspect control of Sun sitting in 6th. 1)

> > >

> > > 5) Rahu in the house of killer (2nd) had bitter enmical aspect relation

> > > with malefic Sun.

> > >

> > > 6) Lord of ascendant Jupiter was in enemy Saturn's 3rd house and had

> > > mutual aspect relation with Sun too.

> > >

> > > 7) Lord of 8th Moon had conjunction relation with Saturn and was in 69%

> > > lord-aspect control of malefic Sun too

> > >

> > > 8) the only planet with some good potential was Mars, being in 5th

> house

> > > in its moolatrikona, but there too it was conjunct with highly malefic

> > > Venus which was in enemy's house and lord of 6th and 11th houses.

> > >

> > > Thus, entire chart is dominated by killer combinations. Persons whose

> > > names begin with following letters have least chances of survival :

> > >

> > > l, m (pierced by main killer Saturn and by malefic Venus)

> > >

> > > retroflex t, j, l, m, u, nasal (anusvar) (pierced by second killer

> Moon)

> > >

> > > h, s, d, retroflex d, vowels e and u (pierced by third killer Ketu)

> > >

> > > l, ch, d, s, g, kh, m, vowel u (pierced by fourth killer Rahu)

> > >

> > > v,b,r,a kh, vowels u,e,au (pierced by subsidiary killer Sun)

> > >

> > > a,u,o (pierced by subsidiary killer Mercury)

> > >

> > > Mars has slight benefits for names beginning with u , but Moon and ketu

> > > pierce it. No name is auspiciously pierced by any planet. There is

> > > hardly any chance of a single survival, unless someone has strong

> > > longevity combinations in his/her personal horoscope.

> > >

> > > Merucentric Medini Jyotisha (mundane) charts reveal following points :

> > >

> > > 1) In annual Merucentric chart at the time of Mesha Pravesha (sidereal

> > > FPA, mid April), Saturn is maarakesh (main killer) and is in bitter

> > > enemy's house, in watery naadi and afflicting France and adjoining

> areas

> > > of North Atlantic. Rio de Janeiro was in inauspicious 6th house and in

> > > airy naadi.

> > >

> > > 2) In Merucentric chart of 4th Nakshatra which contained crash time,

> 3rd

> > > house contained France and adjoining areas, Saturn sitting there in

> > > watery naadi, while the lord of 3rd house Sun was in airy naadi in

> > > bitter enemical sign with Maarakesh moon and lagnesh Mercury in 12th

> > > house. Rio de Janeiro was in 6th house lorded by Mars of moolatrikona.

> > > Saturn was lord of 8th and related to maarakesh Moon and Sun in 12th,

> > > which made Saturn the main killer. The duration of 4th Nakshatra is

> from

> > > 25 May to 8 June 2009. 1-3 Nakshatras had better Saturn and better

> > > maarakesh, hence the evil effects of Mesha Pravesha chart had to be

> > > given during 4th Nakshatra (I've not analyzed future Nakshatras from 5

> > > to 27 for the whole year).

> > >

> > > 3) In Merucentric chart of shashtyamsha (half day chart) which

> contained

> > > crash time, Saturn sits in 6th house with Moon, both in watery naadis,

> > > and 6th lord Sun sits in bitter enemy's sign in 3rd house having close

> > > relation with Saturn and Moon . Saturn was a main killer by dint of

> > > being lord of inauspicious 12th and 11th houses. Mid Atlantic was in

> > > 8th house of Death. Since lord of 2nd maarakesh Mars was in its

> > > mooltrikona and was in airy naadi together with enmical Mercury in

> > > chandaa naadi, and exalted Venus was also having full aspect on

> northern

> > > part of 8th house owned by it (Venus was exalted but malefic being lord

> > > of 3rd and 8th houses), there was strong turbulence in mid Atlantic,

> esp

> > > around equator which seems to be crash site according to charts as well

> > > as reports.

> > >

> > > I analyzed all previous half-day shashtyamsha charts of 4th Nakshatra :

> > > worst killer combination was in 12th shashtyamsha whose duration was

> > > from 31 may 23:41:25 GMT to 1 June 12:15:58 GMT . Hence, 12th

> > > shashtyamsha had to give the ominous results of 4th Nakshatra chart, in

> > > the same way 4th Nakshatra was destined to give the result of Mesha

> > > Pravesha chart in those regions.

> > >

> > > Crash time appears to be 0207 GMT (± 7 minutes) from internet news.

> > > Charts made from expected crash site (~30 W and 10N) indicate that a

> > > strong turbulence struck the aircraft at 02:04:19 GMT (when exalted

> > > Venus in airy naadi entered 2nd house of Killer), just after which

> crash

> > > took place.

> > >

> > > Here are some news items scanned through internet

> > > <http://duard. com.br/blog/ af-447-voo- airfrance- lista-de-

> > passageiros- todo\

> > > s-mortos.html/ _45852693_ plane_crash2_ 466<http://duard.

com.br/blog/af-447-voo- airfrance- lista-de- passageiros- todos-mortos.

html/_45852693_

> > plane_crash2_ 466>>

> >

> > > :

> > >

> > > 0133 GMT, Monday 1 June: Last radar contact with flight AF 447,

> > > according to the Brazilian air force. The jet had just passed the

> > > Fernando de Noronha islands, about 350 km (217 miles) off the coast of

> > > Brazil.

> > >

> > > 0200 GMT : the aircraft crossed into a high turbulence zone.

> > >

> > > 0214 GMT : last automated message received.

> > >

> > > 1140 GMT: Brazil's air force says Flight AF 447 was " well

> > > advanced " over the Atlantic Ocean when it went missing.

> > >

> > > 1142 GMT: Air France confirms it received a message about an electrical

> > > fault from the aircraft.

> > >

> > > 1213 GMT: Air France suggests the electrical fault may have been caused

> > > by the plane suffering a lightning strike..

> > >

> > > 1651 GMT: French President Nicolas Sarkozy says the prospect of finding

> > > survivors from the flight is " very slim " .

> > >

> > > Here are some names who were onboard ;

> > >

> > > 1.) Eirch Heine - President of Admistration Council of

> > > ThyssenKrupp- Companhia Siderurgica do Atlantico(CSA)

> > >

> > > 2.) Luis Roberto Anastacio - President Michelin South America

> > >

> > > 3.) Antonio Guerios - IT Director Michelin

> > >

> > > 4.) Christin Pieraerts - Employee Michelin

> > >

> > > 5.) Dr. Roberto Correa Chem - Plastic Surgeon - Director of Skin Bank

> > > and Chief of Plastic Surgery Service of Porto Alegre Hospital.(Porto

> > > Alegre is a City in the South of Brazil)

> > >

> > > 6.) Vera Chem (Wife of Dr. Chem)

> > >

> > > 7.) Leticia Chem (daughter of Dr. Chem - International Roaming manager

> > > of OI Phone Company

> > >

> > > 8.) Deise Possamai

> > >

> > > 9.) Marcelo Parente - Chief of Staff of Rio de Janeiro Mayor.

> > >

> > > 10.) Leonardo Veloso Dardengo - Oceanographer

> > >

> > > 11..) Pedro Luiz de Orleans e Braganca - Prince - Descendant of Don

> Pedro

> > > II Brazilian Emperor 1822-1831

> > >

> > > 12.) Rino Zandonai - Director of the Trentini Nel Mondo Onlus

> > > Association - Italy

> > >

> > > 13.) Giambattista Lenzi - Regional Conselor of Trentino Alto Adige -

> > > Italy

> > >

> > > 14.) Gianni Zortea - Mayor, Canal San Bovo - Italy

> > >

> > > 15.) Silvio Barbato - Conductor Rio Municipal Theater.

> > >

> > > -Vinay Jha

> > > ============ ========= == ======

> > >

> > >

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Gautam Ji,

 

I was a fan of physics since early boyhood and used physical astronomy for

astrology. I possess JPL and SweEph databases and sofwares. But nearly 11 years

ago I concluded that Suryasiddhanta produces far better results ASTROLOGICALLY .

Astrology is not a part of physical sciences and its SOLE criteria is

astrological (ie, phalita) accuracy, and not a comparison with physical planets.

Unfortunately, some persons want to solve this issue by means of rhetorics and

polemics, sometimes even with abuses, instead of testing both systems

impartially.

 

 

-VJ

======= ============

 

 

________________________________

Gautam.Rampal <gautam.rampal

 

Tuesday, June 2, 2009 9:16:37 PM

Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 2/6

 

 

 

 

 

I think instead of judging the analysis given by VJ, i was more involved in

other outer aspects like time, multiple flights, locations which i should

have avoided.

 

Dear VJ, I visited your site and was surprised to learn about suryasiddhanta

most of the astrology softwares these days follow

swiss ephimeris or nasa jpl ephemeris. I am sure since you have credentials

to support your theory about the surya siddhanta which i know less about,

its good to see a different research work.

 

Regards,

Gautam

 

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

 

>

>

> Prashant ji,

>

> Gautam Ji was sincere, but he was not paying attention to the astrological

> content. I had to analyze 17 detailed mundane charts for making one report

> (one annual, four Nakshatra charts, 12 half-day charts). These charts make

> sense only when used together. New Moon chart also showed Rio de Janeiro in

> 8th house lorded by Saturn, but NM charts do not form an integral part of my

> method which is based on ancient Yaamala Tantras. the time and place I gave

> were deduced from astrological charts, but they broadly tally with the

> expected time and place (exact location of crash site is not known, there is

> uncertainty of few hundred kilometres.) .

>

> -VJ

>

> ============ ========= == ==

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar <gbp_kumar%40. com>>

>

> <% 40. com>

> Tuesday, June 2, 2009 5:47:04 PM

> Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 2/6

>

>

> Vinay ji

>

> a good post and both u and gautam have done well in this largely

>

> except ur latest rest is good

>

> in the latest u said it is a wasted time. u must see it in totality [it is

> v good]

>

> ur good answers in

>

> ppl born at same time...

> and also diff aircrafts to diff dir is possible same time not same place...

> ALSO THE 2 affected countries also as point of study.

>

> for this study of the NEw Moon chart in both destinations can help a

> clearer answer.

>

> there r replied in v good spirit and logic

>

> only area i found difficult at the end only i found the time of the air

> crash, its possible location this alone if it was part of the top cud make

> it easy read.

>

> but it is good exchange., lets see if anyone else uses the data and comes

> up with the regular practices and logic as well.

>

> Prashant

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ >

>

> Tuesday, June 2, 2009 2:51:37 PM

> Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009

>

> There are strict flight regulation rules in force everywhere. No two

> commercial flights can be allowed to take off for same destination from

> same place simultaneously.

>

> My analysis showed affliction of Brazil and areas around france for that

> time, and main chart was based for a particular moment at Rio de Janeiro.

>

> A little known method has been buried under a useless discussion on flight

> regulation rules. Now, no one will read the original article. I am sorry to

> have wasted my time.

>

> -vj

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Gautam.Rampal <gautam.rampal@ gmail.com>

>

> Tuesday, June 2, 2009 2:07:29 PM

> Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009

>

> VJ,

>

> you made a good analysis, usually in international airports multiple

> flights

> take off from different runways at the same time.

>

> Gautam

>

> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > This question is like another question that many persons are born at

> about

> > the same time but why their destinies are different.

> >

> > The chart of take off was made from Rio de Janeiro. How many aircrafts

> took

> > off from Rio de Janeirp at the same time ? Slight change in time will

> make

> > one or two planets auspicious. This aircraft took off at the most

> > inauspicious time when all planets were bad.

> >

> > Mundane charts show something bad related to areas around France and

> Brazil

> > on that very day. Hence, why other aircrafts not related to both Brazil

> and

> > France simultaneously should be affected ?

> >

> > I presented a little known technique which works wonderfully.

> >

> > -VJ

> >

> > ============ ===== ====

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Gautam.Rampal <gautam.rampal@ gmail.com <gautam.rampal%

> 40gmail.com> >

> > <% 40.

> com>

> > Tuesday, June 2, 2009 12:35:34 PM

> > Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009

> >

> >

> > i have a question, usually other aircrafts too taken off at the same time

> > for thier respective destination, but why specially this one didnt reach.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Gautam

> >

> > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:08 PM, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ >

> > wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > To All :

> > >

> > > The take off time of AF-447 was highly inauspicious according to

> > > Suryasiddhantic Kundalee software :

> > >

> > > 1) Lords of 9th, 10th and 7th bhaavas in 6th house,

> > >

> > > 2) Rahu in 2nd,

> > >

> > > 3) Ketu in 8th,

> > >

> > > 4) Maarkesh (main killer) Saturn in 10th house of Sun, Saturn being

> > > under highly malefic 72% lord-aspect control of Sun sitting in 6th. 1)

> > >

> > > 5) Rahu in the house of killer (2nd) had bitter enmical aspect relation

> > > with malefic Sun.

> > >

> > > 6) Lord of ascendant Jupiter was in enemy Saturn's 3rd house and had

> > > mutual aspect relation with Sun too.

> > >

> > > 7) Lord of 8th Moon had conjunction relation with Saturn and was in 69%

> > > lord-aspect control of malefic Sun too

> > >

> > > 8) the only planet with some good potential was Mars, being in 5th

> house

> > > in its moolatrikona, but there too it was conjunct with highly malefic

> > > Venus which was in enemy's house and lord of 6th and 11th houses.

> > >

> > > Thus, entire chart is dominated by killer combinations. Persons whose

> > > names begin with following letters have least chances of survival :

> > >

> > > l, m (pierced by main killer Saturn and by malefic Venus)

> > >

> > > retroflex t, j, l, m, u, nasal (anusvar) (pierced by second killer

> Moon)

> > >

> > > h, s, d, retroflex d, vowels e and u (pierced by third killer Ketu)

> > >

> > > l, ch, d, s, g, kh, m, vowel u (pierced by fourth killer Rahu)

> > >

> > > v,b,r,a kh, vowels u,e,au (pierced by subsidiary killer Sun)

> > >

> > > a,u,o (pierced by subsidiary killer Mercury)

> > >

> > > Mars has slight benefits for names beginning with u , but Moon and ketu

> > > pierce it. No name is auspiciously pierced by any planet. There is

> > > hardly any chance of a single survival, unless someone has strong

> > > longevity combinations in his/her personal horoscope.

> > >

> > > Merucentric Medini Jyotisha (mundane) charts reveal following points :

> > >

> > > 1) In annual Merucentric chart at the time of Mesha Pravesha (sidereal

> > > FPA, mid April), Saturn is maarakesh (main killer) and is in bitter

> > > enemy's house, in watery naadi and afflicting France and adjoining

> areas

> > > of North Atlantic. Rio de Janeiro was in inauspicious 6th house and in

> > > airy naadi.

> > >

> > > 2) In Merucentric chart of 4th Nakshatra which contained crash time,

> 3rd

> > > house contained France and adjoining areas, Saturn sitting there in

> > > watery naadi, while the lord of 3rd house Sun was in airy naadi in

> > > bitter enemical sign with Maarakesh moon and lagnesh Mercury in 12th

> > > house. Rio de Janeiro was in 6th house lorded by Mars of moolatrikona.

> > > Saturn was lord of 8th and related to maarakesh Moon and Sun in 12th,

> > > which made Saturn the main killer. The duration of 4th Nakshatra is

> from

> > > 25 May to 8 June 2009. 1-3 Nakshatras had better Saturn and better

> > > maarakesh, hence the evil effects of Mesha Pravesha chart had to be

> > > given during 4th Nakshatra (I've not analyzed future Nakshatras from 5

> > > to 27 for the whole year).

> > >

> > > 3) In Merucentric chart of shashtyamsha (half day chart) which

> contained

> > > crash time, Saturn sits in 6th house with Moon, both in watery naadis,

> > > and 6th lord Sun sits in bitter enemy's sign in 3rd house having close

> > > relation with Saturn and Moon . Saturn was a main killer by dint of

> > > being lord of inauspicious 12th and 11th houses. Mid Atlantic was in

> > > 8th house of Death. Since lord of 2nd maarakesh Mars was in its

> > > mooltrikona and was in airy naadi together with enmical Mercury in

> > > chandaa naadi, and exalted Venus was also having full aspect on

> northern

> > > part of 8th house owned by it (Venus was exalted but malefic being lord

> > > of 3rd and 8th houses), there was strong turbulence in mid Atlantic,

> esp

> > > around equator which seems to be crash site according to charts as well

> > > as reports.

> > >

> > > I analyzed all previous half-day shashtyamsha charts of 4th Nakshatra :

> > > worst killer combination was in 12th shashtyamsha whose duration was

> > > from 31 may 23:41:25 GMT to 1 June 12:15:58 GMT . Hence, 12th

> > > shashtyamsha had to give the ominous results of 4th Nakshatra chart, in

> > > the same way 4th Nakshatra was destined to give the result of Mesha

> > > Pravesha chart in those regions.

> > >

> > > Crash time appears to be 0207 GMT (± 7 minutes) from internet news.

> > > Charts made from expected crash site (~30 W and 10N) indicate that a

> > > strong turbulence struck the aircraft at 02:04:19 GMT (when exalted

> > > Venus in airy naadi entered 2nd house of Killer), just after which

> crash

> > > took place.

> > >

> > > Here are some news items scanned through internet

> > > <http://duard. com.br/blog/ af-447-voo- airfrance- lista-de-

> > passageiros- todo\

> > > s-mortos.html/ _45852693_ plane_crash2_ 466<http://duard. com.br/blog/

af-447-voo- airfrance- lista-de- passageiros- todos-mortos. html/_45852693_

> > plane_crash2_ 466>>

> >

> > > :

> > >

> > > 0133 GMT, Monday 1 June: Last radar contact with flight AF 447,

> > > according to the Brazilian air force. The jet had just passed the

> > > Fernando de Noronha islands, about 350 km (217 miles) off the coast of

> > > Brazil.

> > >

> > > 0200 GMT : the aircraft crossed into a high turbulence zone.

> > >

> > > 0214 GMT : last automated message received.

> > >

> > > 1140 GMT: Brazil's air force says Flight AF 447 was " well

> > > advanced " over the Atlantic Ocean when it went missing.

> > >

> > > 1142 GMT: Air France confirms it received a message about an electrical

> > > fault from the aircraft.

> > >

> > > 1213 GMT: Air France suggests the electrical fault may have been caused

> > > by the plane suffering a lightning strike..

> > >

> > > 1651 GMT: French President Nicolas Sarkozy says the prospect of finding

> > > survivors from the flight is " very slim " .

> > >

> > > Here are some names who were onboard ;

> > >

> > > 1.) Eirch Heine - President of Admistration Council of

> > > ThyssenKrupp- Companhia Siderurgica do Atlantico(CSA)

> > >

> > > 2.) Luis Roberto Anastacio - President Michelin South America

> > >

> > > 3.) Antonio Guerios - IT Director Michelin

> > >

> > > 4.) Christin Pieraerts - Employee Michelin

> > >

> > > 5.) Dr. Roberto Correa Chem - Plastic Surgeon - Director of Skin Bank

> > > and Chief of Plastic Surgery Service of Porto Alegre Hospital.(Porto

> > > Alegre is a City in the South of Brazil)

> > >

> > > 6.) Vera Chem (Wife of Dr. Chem)

> > >

> > > 7.) Leticia Chem (daughter of Dr. Chem - International Roaming manager

> > > of OI Phone Company

> > >

> > > 8.) Deise Possamai

> > >

> > > 9.) Marcelo Parente - Chief of Staff of Rio de Janeiro Mayor.

> > >

> > > 10.) Leonardo Veloso Dardengo - Oceanographer

> > >

> > > 11..) Pedro Luiz de Orleans e Braganca - Prince - Descendant of Don

> Pedro

> > > II Brazilian Emperor 1822-1831

> > >

> > > 12.) Rino Zandonai - Director of the Trentini Nel Mondo Onlus

> > > Association - Italy

> > >

> > > 13.) Giambattista Lenzi - Regional Conselor of Trentino Alto Adige -

> > > Italy

> > >

> > > 14.) Gianni Zortea - Mayor, Canal San Bovo - Italy

> > >

> > > 15.) Silvio Barbato - Conductor Rio Municipal Theater.

> > >

> > > -Vinay Jha

> > > ============ ========= == ======

> > >

> > >

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Vinay Ji,

 

Thanks for the reply, today i got a new thing to learn from you. I usually

practice kp system of astrology and satisfied with the results in

predictions.

 

You have well said that astrology is not a part of physical science, i

usually always thought that in a physical way and so all the learning

happened . But you have raised a good topic of physical and non physical to

which i will have to create another perspective of viewing things from now

onwards.

 

In one of your article you have spoken about Mt Meru, this was really a new

information to me.

 

I am eager to understand the concept of suryasiddhanta can you recommend me

any good resource or a book.

 

Regards,

Gautam

 

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

 

>

>

> Gautam Ji,

>

> I was a fan of physics since early boyhood and used physical astronomy for

> astrology. I possess JPL and SweEph databases and sofwares. But nearly 11

> years ago I concluded that Suryasiddhanta produces far better results

> ASTROLOGICALLY . Astrology is not a part of physical sciences and its SOLE

> criteria is astrological (ie, phalita) accuracy, and not a comparison with

> physical planets. Unfortunately, some persons want to solve this issue by

> means of rhetorics and polemics, sometimes even with abuses, instead of

> testing both systems impartially.

>

>

> -VJ

> ======= ============

>

> ________________________________

> Gautam.Rampal <gautam.rampal <gautam.rampal%40gmail.com>>

> <%40>

> Tuesday, June 2, 2009 9:16:37 PM

> Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 2/6

>

> I think instead of judging the analysis given by VJ, i was more involved in

> other outer aspects like time, multiple flights, locations which i should

> have avoided.

>

> Dear VJ, I visited your site and was surprised to learn about

> suryasiddhanta

> most of the astrology softwares these days follow

> swiss ephimeris or nasa jpl ephemeris. I am sure since you have credentials

> to support your theory about the surya siddhanta which i know less about,

> its good to see a different research work.

>

> Regards,

> Gautam

>

> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Prashant ji,

> >

> > Gautam Ji was sincere, but he was not paying attention to the

> astrological

> > content. I had to analyze 17 detailed mundane charts for making one

> report

> > (one annual, four Nakshatra charts, 12 half-day charts). These charts

> make

> > sense only when used together. New Moon chart also showed Rio de Janeiro

> in

> > 8th house lorded by Saturn, but NM charts do not form an integral part of

> my

> > method which is based on ancient Yaamala Tantras. the time and place I

> gave

> > were deduced from astrological charts, but they broadly tally with the

> > expected time and place (exact location of crash site is not known, there

> is

> > uncertainty of few hundred kilometres.) .

> >

> > -VJ

> >

> > ============ ========= == ==

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar <gbp_kumar%40. com>>

>

> >

> > <% 40.

> com>

> > Tuesday, June 2, 2009 5:47:04 PM

> > Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 2/6

> >

> >

> > Vinay ji

> >

> > a good post and both u and gautam have done well in this largely

> >

> > except ur latest rest is good

> >

> > in the latest u said it is a wasted time. u must see it in totality [it

> is

> > v good]

> >

> > ur good answers in

> >

> > ppl born at same time...

> > and also diff aircrafts to diff dir is possible same time not same

> place...

> > ALSO THE 2 affected countries also as point of study.

> >

> > for this study of the NEw Moon chart in both destinations can help a

> > clearer answer.

> >

> > there r replied in v good spirit and logic

> >

> > only area i found difficult at the end only i found the time of the air

> > crash, its possible location this alone if it was part of the top cud

> make

> > it easy read.

> >

> > but it is good exchange., lets see if anyone else uses the data and comes

> > up with the regular practices and logic as well.

> >

> > Prashant

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ >

> >

> > Tuesday, June 2, 2009 2:51:37 PM

> > Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009

> >

> > There are strict flight regulation rules in force everywhere. No two

> > commercial flights can be allowed to take off for same destination from

> > same place simultaneously.

> >

> > My analysis showed affliction of Brazil and areas around france for that

> > time, and main chart was based for a particular moment at Rio de Janeiro.

> >

> > A little known method has been buried under a useless discussion on

> flight

> > regulation rules. Now, no one will read the original article. I am sorry

> to

> > have wasted my time.

> >

> > -vj

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Gautam.Rampal <gautam.rampal@ gmail.com>

> >

> > Tuesday, June 2, 2009 2:07:29 PM

> > Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009

> >

> > VJ,

> >

> > you made a good analysis, usually in international airports multiple

> > flights

> > take off from different runways at the same time.

> >

> > Gautam

> >

> > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ >

> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > This question is like another question that many persons are born at

> > about

> > > the same time but why their destinies are different.

> > >

> > > The chart of take off was made from Rio de Janeiro. How many aircrafts

> > took

> > > off from Rio de Janeirp at the same time ? Slight change in time will

> > make

> > > one or two planets auspicious. This aircraft took off at the most

> > > inauspicious time when all planets were bad.

> > >

> > > Mundane charts show something bad related to areas around France and

> > Brazil

> > > on that very day. Hence, why other aircrafts not related to both Brazil

> > and

> > > France simultaneously should be affected ?

> > >

> > > I presented a little known technique which works wonderfully.

> > >

> > > -VJ

> > >

> > > ============ ===== ====

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Gautam.Rampal <gautam.rampal@ gmail.com <gautam.rampal%

> > 40gmail.com> >

> > > <%

> 40.

> > com>

> > > Tuesday, June 2, 2009 12:35:34 PM

> > > Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009

> > >

> > >

> > > i have a question, usually other aircrafts too taken off at the same

> time

> > > for thier respective destination, but why specially this one didnt

> reach.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Gautam

> > >

> > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:08 PM, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ >

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > To All :

> > > >

> > > > The take off time of AF-447 was highly inauspicious according to

> > > > Suryasiddhantic Kundalee software :

> > > >

> > > > 1) Lords of 9th, 10th and 7th bhaavas in 6th house,

> > > >

> > > > 2) Rahu in 2nd,

> > > >

> > > > 3) Ketu in 8th,

> > > >

> > > > 4) Maarkesh (main killer) Saturn in 10th house of Sun, Saturn being

> > > > under highly malefic 72% lord-aspect control of Sun sitting in 6th.

> 1)

> > > >

> > > > 5) Rahu in the house of killer (2nd) had bitter enmical aspect

> relation

> > > > with malefic Sun.

> > > >

> > > > 6) Lord of ascendant Jupiter was in enemy Saturn's 3rd house and had

> > > > mutual aspect relation with Sun too.

> > > >

> > > > 7) Lord of 8th Moon had conjunction relation with Saturn and was in

> 69%

> > > > lord-aspect control of malefic Sun too

> > > >

> > > > 8) the only planet with some good potential was Mars, being in 5th

> > house

> > > > in its moolatrikona, but there too it was conjunct with highly

> malefic

> > > > Venus which was in enemy's house and lord of 6th and 11th houses.

> > > >

> > > > Thus, entire chart is dominated by killer combinations. Persons whose

> > > > names begin with following letters have least chances of survival :

> > > >

> > > > l, m (pierced by main killer Saturn and by malefic Venus)

> > > >

> > > > retroflex t, j, l, m, u, nasal (anusvar) (pierced by second killer

> > Moon)

> > > >

> > > > h, s, d, retroflex d, vowels e and u (pierced by third killer Ketu)

> > > >

> > > > l, ch, d, s, g, kh, m, vowel u (pierced by fourth killer Rahu)

> > > >

> > > > v,b,r,a kh, vowels u,e,au (pierced by subsidiary killer Sun)

> > > >

> > > > a,u,o (pierced by subsidiary killer Mercury)

> > > >

> > > > Mars has slight benefits for names beginning with u , but Moon and

> ketu

> > > > pierce it. No name is auspiciously pierced by any planet. There is

> > > > hardly any chance of a single survival, unless someone has strong

> > > > longevity combinations in his/her personal horoscope.

> > > >

> > > > Merucentric Medini Jyotisha (mundane) charts reveal following points

> :

> > > >

> > > > 1) In annual Merucentric chart at the time of Mesha Pravesha

> (sidereal

> > > > FPA, mid April), Saturn is maarakesh (main killer) and is in bitter

> > > > enemy's house, in watery naadi and afflicting France and adjoining

> > areas

> > > > of North Atlantic. Rio de Janeiro was in inauspicious 6th house and

> in

> > > > airy naadi.

> > > >

> > > > 2) In Merucentric chart of 4th Nakshatra which contained crash time,

> > 3rd

> > > > house contained France and adjoining areas, Saturn sitting there in

> > > > watery naadi, while the lord of 3rd house Sun was in airy naadi in

> > > > bitter enemical sign with Maarakesh moon and lagnesh Mercury in 12th

> > > > house. Rio de Janeiro was in 6th house lorded by Mars of

> moolatrikona.

> > > > Saturn was lord of 8th and related to maarakesh Moon and Sun in 12th,

> > > > which made Saturn the main killer. The duration of 4th Nakshatra is

> > from

> > > > 25 May to 8 June 2009. 1-3 Nakshatras had better Saturn and better

> > > > maarakesh, hence the evil effects of Mesha Pravesha chart had to be

> > > > given during 4th Nakshatra (I've not analyzed future Nakshatras from

> 5

> > > > to 27 for the whole year).

> > > >

> > > > 3) In Merucentric chart of shashtyamsha (half day chart) which

> > contained

> > > > crash time, Saturn sits in 6th house with Moon, both in watery

> naadis,

> > > > and 6th lord Sun sits in bitter enemy's sign in 3rd house having

> close

> > > > relation with Saturn and Moon . Saturn was a main killer by dint of

> > > > being lord of inauspicious 12th and 11th houses. Mid Atlantic was in

> > > > 8th house of Death. Since lord of 2nd maarakesh Mars was in its

> > > > mooltrikona and was in airy naadi together with enmical Mercury in

> > > > chandaa naadi, and exalted Venus was also having full aspect on

> > northern

> > > > part of 8th house owned by it (Venus was exalted but malefic being

> lord

> > > > of 3rd and 8th houses), there was strong turbulence in mid Atlantic,

> > esp

> > > > around equator which seems to be crash site according to charts as

> well

> > > > as reports.

> > > >

> > > > I analyzed all previous half-day shashtyamsha charts of 4th Nakshatra

> :

> > > > worst killer combination was in 12th shashtyamsha whose duration was

> > > > from 31 may 23:41:25 GMT to 1 June 12:15:58 GMT . Hence, 12th

> > > > shashtyamsha had to give the ominous results of 4th Nakshatra chart,

> in

> > > > the same way 4th Nakshatra was destined to give the result of Mesha

> > > > Pravesha chart in those regions.

> > > >

> > > > Crash time appears to be 0207 GMT (± 7 minutes) from internet news.

> > > > Charts made from expected crash site (~30 W and 10N) indicate that a

> > > > strong turbulence struck the aircraft at 02:04:19 GMT (when exalted

> > > > Venus in airy naadi entered 2nd house of Killer), just after which

> > crash

> > > > took place.

> > > >

> > > > Here are some news items scanned through internet

> > > > <http://duard. com.br/blog/ af-447-voo- airfrance- lista-de-

> > > passageiros- todo\

> > > > s-mortos.html/ _45852693_ plane_crash2_ 466<http://duard.

> com.br/blog/ af-447-voo- airfrance- lista-de- passageiros- todos-mortos.

> html/_45852693_

> > > plane_crash2_ 466>>

> > >

> > > > :

> > > >

> > > > 0133 GMT, Monday 1 June: Last radar contact with flight AF 447,

> > > > according to the Brazilian air force. The jet had just passed the

> > > > Fernando de Noronha islands, about 350 km (217 miles) off the coast

> of

> > > > Brazil.

> > > >

> > > > 0200 GMT : the aircraft crossed into a high turbulence zone.

> > > >

> > > > 0214 GMT : last automated message received.

> > > >

> > > > 1140 GMT: Brazil's air force says Flight AF 447 was " well

> > > > advanced " over the Atlantic Ocean when it went missing.

> > > >

> > > > 1142 GMT: Air France confirms it received a message about an

> electrical

> > > > fault from the aircraft.

> > > >

> > > > 1213 GMT: Air France suggests the electrical fault may have been

> caused

> > > > by the plane suffering a lightning strike..

> > > >

> > > > 1651 GMT: French President Nicolas Sarkozy says the prospect of

> finding

> > > > survivors from the flight is " very slim " .

> > > >

> > > > Here are some names who were onboard ;

> > > >

> > > > 1.) Eirch Heine - President of Admistration Council of

> > > > ThyssenKrupp- Companhia Siderurgica do Atlantico(CSA)

> > > >

> > > > 2.) Luis Roberto Anastacio - President Michelin South America

> > > >

> > > > 3.) Antonio Guerios - IT Director Michelin

> > > >

> > > > 4.) Christin Pieraerts - Employee Michelin

> > > >

> > > > 5.) Dr. Roberto Correa Chem - Plastic Surgeon - Director of Skin Bank

> > > > and Chief of Plastic Surgery Service of Porto Alegre Hospital.(Porto

> > > > Alegre is a City in the South of Brazil)

> > > >

> > > > 6.) Vera Chem (Wife of Dr. Chem)

> > > >

> > > > 7.) Leticia Chem (daughter of Dr. Chem - International Roaming

> manager

> > > > of OI Phone Company

> > > >

> > > > 8.) Deise Possamai

> > > >

> > > > 9.) Marcelo Parente - Chief of Staff of Rio de Janeiro Mayor.

> > > >

> > > > 10.) Leonardo Veloso Dardengo - Oceanographer

> > > >

> > > > 11..) Pedro Luiz de Orleans e Braganca - Prince - Descendant of Don

> > Pedro

> > > > II Brazilian Emperor 1822-1831

> > > >

> > > > 12.) Rino Zandonai - Director of the Trentini Nel Mondo Onlus

> > > > Association - Italy

> > > >

> > > > 13.) Giambattista Lenzi - Regional Conselor of Trentino Alto Adige -

> > > > Italy

> > > >

> > > > 14.) Gianni Zortea - Mayor, Canal San Bovo - Italy

> > > >

> > > > 15.) Silvio Barbato - Conductor Rio Municipal Theater.

> > > >

> > > > -Vinay Jha

> > > > ============ ========= == ======

> > > >

> > > >

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Gautam Ji,

 

Suryasiddhanta has never been fully described by any commentator, because its

last verse says it is " rahasyam Brahma samjnyitam " . Its practical method is

orally transmitted by a tradition of lifelong brahmachaaris. Bhaskaraachaarya

said Suryasiddhantais unwritten, Varaha Mihira used it but did not describe it.

Makarandaachaarya gave tables for panchanga making but did not describe the

formulae used to make those tables. I published the detailed formulae in 2005,

but refrained from explaining them, because it is the astronomy of Bhuvaloka and

it is useless and even foolish to describe the non-material world among

materialists. Use Suryasiddhantic horoscope software and if it fails to give

better results than make a complaint. Even today most of traditional panchangas

are directly or indirectly based upon Suryasiddhanta, and a lot of traditional

Jyotishis refuse to accept horoscopes generated from softwares.All of them are

not obscurantists or

anachronists. Difference between Suryasiddhantic and physical planets was

greater in Varaha Mihira's age than today, yet Varaha Mihira called

Suryasiddhantathe best and also called it divine. Instead of wasting years on

siddhanta, please devote your time to Phalita, in which Suryasiddhanta will

prove to be your best companion. Its software is freely available.

 

-vj

 

 

________________________________

Gautam.Rampal <gautam.rampal

 

Tuesday, June 2, 2009 9:42:49 PM

Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 2/6

 

 

 

 

 

Vinay Ji,

 

Thanks for the reply, today i got a new thing to learn from you. I usually

practice kp system of astrology and satisfied with the results in

predictions.

 

You have well said that astrology is not a part of physical science, i

usually always thought that in a physical way and so all the learning

happened . But you have raised a good topic of physical and non physical to

which i will have to create another perspective of viewing things from now

onwards.

 

In one of your article you have spoken about Mt Meru, this was really a new

information to me.

 

I am eager to understand the concept of suryasiddhanta can you recommend me

any good resource or a book.

 

Regards,

Gautam

 

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

 

>

>

> Gautam Ji,

>

> I was a fan of physics since early boyhood and used physical astronomy for

> astrology. I possess JPL and SweEph databases and sofwares. But nearly 11

> years ago I concluded that Suryasiddhanta produces far better results

> ASTROLOGICALLY . Astrology is not a part of physical sciences and its SOLE

> criteria is astrological (ie, phalita) accuracy, and not a comparison with

> physical planets. Unfortunately, some persons want to solve this issue by

> means of rhetorics and polemics, sometimes even with abuses, instead of

> testing both systems impartially.

>

>

> -VJ

> ======= ============

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Gautam.Rampal <gautam.rampal@ gmail.com <gautam.rampal% 40gmail.com> >

> <% 40. com>

> Tuesday, June 2, 2009 9:16:37 PM

> Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 2/6

>

> I think instead of judging the analysis given by VJ, i was more involved in

> other outer aspects like time, multiple flights, locations which i should

> have avoided.

>

> Dear VJ, I visited your site and was surprised to learn about

> suryasiddhanta

> most of the astrology softwares these days follow

> swiss ephimeris or nasa jpl ephemeris. I am sure since you have credentials

> to support your theory about the surya siddhanta which i know less about,

> its good to see a different research work.

>

> Regards,

> Gautam

>

> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Prashant ji,

> >

> > Gautam Ji was sincere, but he was not paying attention to the

> astrological

> > content. I had to analyze 17 detailed mundane charts for making one

> report

> > (one annual, four Nakshatra charts, 12 half-day charts). These charts

> make

> > sense only when used together. New Moon chart also showed Rio de Janeiro

> in

> > 8th house lorded by Saturn, but NM charts do not form an integral part of

> my

> > method which is based on ancient Yaamala Tantras. the time and place I

> gave

> > were deduced from astrological charts, but they broadly tally with the

> > expected time and place (exact location of crash site is not known, there

> is

> > uncertainty of few hundred kilometres.) .

> >

> > -VJ

> >

> > ============ ========= == ==

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar <gbp_kumar%40. com>>

>

> >

> > <% 40.

> com>

> > Tuesday, June 2, 2009 5:47:04 PM

> > Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 2/6

> >

> >

> > Vinay ji

> >

> > a good post and both u and gautam have done well in this largely

> >

> > except ur latest rest is good

> >

> > in the latest u said it is a wasted time. u must see it in totality [it

> is

> > v good]

> >

> > ur good answers in

> >

> > ppl born at same time...

> > and also diff aircrafts to diff dir is possible same time not same

> place...

> > ALSO THE 2 affected countries also as point of study.

> >

> > for this study of the NEw Moon chart in both destinations can help a

> > clearer answer.

> >

> > there r replied in v good spirit and logic

> >

> > only area i found difficult at the end only i found the time of the air

> > crash, its possible location this alone if it was part of the top cud

> make

> > it easy read.

> >

> > but it is good exchange., lets see if anyone else uses the data and comes

> > up with the regular practices and logic as well.

> >

> > Prashant

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ >

> >

> > Tuesday, June 2, 2009 2:51:37 PM

> > Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009

> >

> > There are strict flight regulation rules in force everywhere. No two

> > commercial flights can be allowed to take off for same destination from

> > same place simultaneously.

> >

> > My analysis showed affliction of Brazil and areas around france for that

> > time, and main chart was based for a particular moment at Rio de Janeiro.

> >

> > A little known method has been buried under a useless discussion on

> flight

> > regulation rules. Now, no one will read the original article. I am sorry

> to

> > have wasted my time.

> >

> > -vj

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Gautam.Rampal <gautam.rampal@ gmail.com>

> >

> > Tuesday, June 2, 2009 2:07:29 PM

> > Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009

> >

> > VJ,

> >

> > you made a good analysis, usually in international airports multiple

> > flights

> > take off from different runways at the same time.

> >

> > Gautam

> >

> > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ >

> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > This question is like another question that many persons are born at

> > about

> > > the same time but why their destinies are different.

> > >

> > > The chart of take off was made from Rio de Janeiro. How many aircrafts

> > took

> > > off from Rio de Janeirp at the same time ? Slight change in time will

> > make

> > > one or two planets auspicious. This aircraft took off at the most

> > > inauspicious time when all planets were bad.

> > >

> > > Mundane charts show something bad related to areas around France and

> > Brazil

> > > on that very day. Hence, why other aircrafts not related to both Brazil

> > and

> > > France simultaneously should be affected ?

> > >

> > > I presented a little known technique which works wonderfully.

> > >

> > > -VJ

> > >

> > > ============ ===== ====

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Gautam.Rampal <gautam.rampal@ gmail.com <gautam.rampal%

> > 40gmail.com> >

> > > <%

> 40.

> > com>

> > > Tuesday, June 2, 2009 12:35:34 PM

> > > Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009

> > >

> > >

> > > i have a question, usually other aircrafts too taken off at the same

> time

> > > for thier respective destination, but why specially this one didnt

> reach.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Gautam

> > >

> > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:08 PM, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ >

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > To All :

> > > >

> > > > The take off time of AF-447 was highly inauspicious according to

> > > > Suryasiddhantic Kundalee software :

> > > >

> > > > 1) Lords of 9th, 10th and 7th bhaavas in 6th house,

> > > >

> > > > 2) Rahu in 2nd,

> > > >

> > > > 3) Ketu in 8th,

> > > >

> > > > 4) Maarkesh (main killer) Saturn in 10th house of Sun, Saturn being

> > > > under highly malefic 72% lord-aspect control of Sun sitting in 6th.

> 1)

> > > >

> > > > 5) Rahu in the house of killer (2nd) had bitter enmical aspect

> relation

> > > > with malefic Sun.

> > > >

> > > > 6) Lord of ascendant Jupiter was in enemy Saturn's 3rd house and had

> > > > mutual aspect relation with Sun too.

> > > >

> > > > 7) Lord of 8th Moon had conjunction relation with Saturn and was in

> 69%

> > > > lord-aspect control of malefic Sun too

> > > >

> > > > 8) the only planet with some good potential was Mars, being in 5th

> > house

> > > > in its moolatrikona, but there too it was conjunct with highly

> malefic

> > > > Venus which was in enemy's house and lord of 6th and 11th houses.

> > > >

> > > > Thus, entire chart is dominated by killer combinations. Persons whose

> > > > names begin with following letters have least chances of survival :

> > > >

> > > > l, m (pierced by main killer Saturn and by malefic Venus)

> > > >

> > > > retroflex t, j, l, m, u, nasal (anusvar) (pierced by second killer

> > Moon)

> > > >

> > > > h, s, d, retroflex d, vowels e and u (pierced by third killer Ketu)

> > > >

> > > > l, ch, d, s, g, kh, m, vowel u (pierced by fourth killer Rahu)

> > > >

> > > > v,b,r,a kh, vowels u,e,au (pierced by subsidiary killer Sun)

> > > >

> > > > a,u,o (pierced by subsidiary killer Mercury)

> > > >

> > > > Mars has slight benefits for names beginning with u , but Moon and

> ketu

> > > > pierce it. No name is auspiciously pierced by any planet. There is

> > > > hardly any chance of a single survival, unless someone has strong

> > > > longevity combinations in his/her personal horoscope.

> > > >

> > > > Merucentric Medini Jyotisha (mundane) charts reveal following points

> :

> > > >

> > > > 1) In annual Merucentric chart at the time of Mesha Pravesha

> (sidereal

> > > > FPA, mid April), Saturn is maarakesh (main killer) and is in bitter

> > > > enemy's house, in watery naadi and afflicting France and adjoining

> > areas

> > > > of North Atlantic. Rio de Janeiro was in inauspicious 6th house and

> in

> > > > airy naadi.

> > > >

> > > > 2) In Merucentric chart of 4th Nakshatra which contained crash time,

> > 3rd

> > > > house contained France and adjoining areas, Saturn sitting there in

> > > > watery naadi, while the lord of 3rd house Sun was in airy naadi in

> > > > bitter enemical sign with Maarakesh moon and lagnesh Mercury in 12th

> > > > house. Rio de Janeiro was in 6th house lorded by Mars of

> moolatrikona.

> > > > Saturn was lord of 8th and related to maarakesh Moon and Sun in 12th,

> > > > which made Saturn the main killer. The duration of 4th Nakshatra is

> > from

> > > > 25 May to 8 June 2009. 1-3 Nakshatras had better Saturn and better

> > > > maarakesh, hence the evil effects of Mesha Pravesha chart had to be

> > > > given during 4th Nakshatra (I've not analyzed future Nakshatras from

> 5

> > > > to 27 for the whole year).

> > > >

> > > > 3) In Merucentric chart of shashtyamsha (half day chart) which

> > contained

> > > > crash time, Saturn sits in 6th house with Moon, both in watery

> naadis,

> > > > and 6th lord Sun sits in bitter enemy's sign in 3rd house having

> close

> > > > relation with Saturn and Moon . Saturn was a main killer by dint of

> > > > being lord of inauspicious 12th and 11th houses. Mid Atlantic was in

> > > > 8th house of Death. Since lord of 2nd maarakesh Mars was in its

> > > > mooltrikona and was in airy naadi together with enmical Mercury in

> > > > chandaa naadi, and exalted Venus was also having full aspect on

> > northern

> > > > part of 8th house owned by it (Venus was exalted but malefic being

> lord

> > > > of 3rd and 8th houses), there was strong turbulence in mid Atlantic,

> > esp

> > > > around equator which seems to be crash site according to charts as

> well

> > > > as reports.

> > > >

> > > > I analyzed all previous half-day shashtyamsha charts of 4th Nakshatra

> :

> > > > worst killer combination was in 12th shashtyamsha whose duration was

> > > > from 31 may 23:41:25 GMT to 1 June 12:15:58 GMT . Hence, 12th

> > > > shashtyamsha had to give the ominous results of 4th Nakshatra chart,

> in

> > > > the same way 4th Nakshatra was destined to give the result of Mesha

> > > > Pravesha chart in those regions.

> > > >

> > > > Crash time appears to be 0207 GMT (± 7 minutes) from internet news.

> > > > Charts made from expected crash site (~30 W and 10N) indicate that a

> > > > strong turbulence struck the aircraft at 02:04:19 GMT (when exalted

> > > > Venus in airy naadi entered 2nd house of Killer), just after which

> > crash

> > > > took place.

> > > >

> > > > Here are some news items scanned through internet

> > > > <http://duard. com.br/blog/ af-447-voo- airfrance- lista-de-

> > > passageiros- todo\

> > > > s-mortos.html/ _45852693_ plane_crash2_ 466<http://duard.

> com.br/blog/ af-447-voo- airfrance- lista-de- passageiros- todos-mortos.

> html/_45852693_

> > > plane_crash2_ 466>>

> > >

> > > > :

> > > >

> > > > 0133 GMT, Monday 1 June: Last radar contact with flight AF 447,

> > > > according to the Brazilian air force. The jet had just passed the

> > > > Fernando de Noronha islands, about 350 km (217 miles) off the coast

> of

> > > > Brazil.

> > > >

> > > > 0200 GMT : the aircraft crossed into a high turbulence zone.

> > > >

> > > > 0214 GMT : last automated message received.

> > > >

> > > > 1140 GMT: Brazil's air force says Flight AF 447 was " well

> > > > advanced " over the Atlantic Ocean when it went missing.

> > > >

> > > > 1142 GMT: Air France confirms it received a message about an

> electrical

> > > > fault from the aircraft.

> > > >

> > > > 1213 GMT: Air France suggests the electrical fault may have been

> caused

> > > > by the plane suffering a lightning strike..

> > > >

> > > > 1651 GMT: French President Nicolas Sarkozy says the prospect of

> finding

> > > > survivors from the flight is " very slim " .

> > > >

> > > > Here are some names who were onboard ;

> > > >

> > > > 1.) Eirch Heine - President of Admistration Council of

> > > > ThyssenKrupp- Companhia Siderurgica do Atlantico(CSA)

> > > >

> > > > 2.) Luis Roberto Anastacio - President Michelin South America

> > > >

> > > > 3.) Antonio Guerios - IT Director Michelin

> > > >

> > > > 4.) Christin Pieraerts - Employee Michelin

> > > >

> > > > 5.) Dr. Roberto Correa Chem - Plastic Surgeon - Director of Skin Bank

> > > > and Chief of Plastic Surgery Service of Porto Alegre Hospital.(Porto

> > > > Alegre is a City in the South of Brazil)

> > > >

> > > > 6.) Vera Chem (Wife of Dr. Chem)

> > > >

> > > > 7.) Leticia Chem (daughter of Dr. Chem - International Roaming

> manager

> > > > of OI Phone Company

> > > >

> > > > 8.) Deise Possamai

> > > >

> > > > 9.) Marcelo Parente - Chief of Staff of Rio de Janeiro Mayor.

> > > >

> > > > 10.) Leonardo Veloso Dardengo - Oceanographer

> > > >

> > > > 11..) Pedro Luiz de Orleans e Braganca - Prince - Descendant of Don

> > Pedro

> > > > II Brazilian Emperor 1822-1831

> > > >

> > > > 12.) Rino Zandonai - Director of the Trentini Nel Mondo Onlus

> > > > Association - Italy

> > > >

> > > > 13.) Giambattista Lenzi - Regional Conselor of Trentino Alto Adige -

> > > > Italy

> > > >

> > > > 14.) Gianni Zortea - Mayor, Canal San Bovo - Italy

> > > >

> > > > 15.) Silvio Barbato - Conductor Rio Municipal Theater.

> > > >

> > > > -Vinay Jha

> > > > ============ ========= == ======

> > > >

> > > >

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VJ ji,

 

I respect yr calculation - method which u use -

well done to increase the knowledge - hari bol pdk 

 

--- On Tue, 2/6/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

 

 

Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16

Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 2/6

 

Tuesday, 2 June, 2009, 1:50 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Prashant ji,

 

Gautam Ji was sincere, but he was not paying attention to the astrological

content. I had to analyze 17 detailed mundane charts for making one report (one

annual, four Nakshatra charts, 12 half-day charts). These charts make sense only

when used together. New Moon chart also showed Rio de Janeiro in 8th house

lorded by Saturn, but NM charts do not form an integral part of my method which

is based on ancient Yaamala Tantras. the time and place I gave were deduced from

astrological charts, but they broadly tally with the expected time and place

(exact location of crash site is not known, there is uncertainty of few hundred

kilometres.) .

 

-VJ

 

============ ========= == ==

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

 

Tuesday, June 2, 2009 5:47:04 PM

Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009 2/6

 

Vinay ji

 

a good post and both u and gautam have done well in this largely

 

except ur latest rest is good

 

in the latest u said it is a wasted time. u must see it in totality [it is v

good]

 

ur good answers in

 

ppl born at same time...

and also diff aircrafts to diff dir is possible same time not same place...

ALSO THE 2 affected countries also as point of study.

 

for this study of the NEw Moon chart in both destinations can help a clearer

answer.

 

there r replied in v good spirit and logic

 

only area i found difficult at the end only i found the time of the air crash,

its possible location this alone if it was part of the top cud make it easy

read.

 

but it is good exchange., lets see if anyone else uses the data and comes up

with the regular practices and logic as well.

 

Prashant

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ >

 

Tuesday, June 2, 2009 2:51:37 PM

Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009

 

There are strict flight regulation rules in force everywhere. No two

commercial flights can be allowed to take off for same destination from

same place simultaneously.

 

My analysis showed affliction of Brazil and areas around france for that time,

and main chart was based for a particular moment at Rio de Janeiro.

 

A little known method has been buried under a useless discussion on flight

regulation rules. Now, no one will read the original article. I am sorry to have

wasted my time.

 

-vj

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Gautam.Rampal <gautam.rampal@ gmail.com>

 

Tuesday, June 2, 2009 2:07:29 PM

Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009

 

VJ,

 

you made a good analysis, usually in international airports multiple flights

take off from different runways at the same time.

 

Gautam

 

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

 

>

>

> This question is like another question that many persons are born at about

> the same time but why their destinies are different.

>

> The chart of take off was made from Rio de Janeiro. How many aircrafts took

> off from Rio de Janeirp at the same time ? Slight change in time will make

> one or two planets auspicious. This aircraft took off at the most

> inauspicious time when all planets were bad.

>

> Mundane charts show something bad related to areas around France and Brazil

> on that very day. Hence, why other aircrafts not related to both Brazil and

> France simultaneously should be affected ?

>

> I presented a little known technique which works wonderfully.

>

> -VJ

>

> ============ ===== ====

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Gautam.Rampal <gautam.rampal@ gmail.com <gautam.rampal% 40gmail.com> >

> <% 40. com>

> Tuesday, June 2, 2009 12:35:34 PM

> Re: Aircraft Crash : AF447 tragedy on June 1, 2009

>

>

> i have a question, usually other aircrafts too taken off at the same time

> for thier respective destination, but why specially this one didnt reach.

>

> Regards,

> Gautam

>

> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 12:08 PM, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ >

> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > To All :

> >

> > The take off time of AF-447 was highly inauspicious according to

> > Suryasiddhantic Kundalee software :

> >

> > 1) Lords of 9th, 10th and 7th bhaavas in 6th house,

> >

> > 2) Rahu in 2nd,

> >

> > 3) Ketu in 8th,

> >

> > 4) Maarkesh (main killer) Saturn in 10th house of Sun, Saturn being

> > under highly malefic 72% lord-aspect control of Sun sitting in 6th. 1)

> >

> > 5) Rahu in the house of killer (2nd) had bitter enmical aspect relation

> > with malefic Sun.

> >

> > 6) Lord of ascendant Jupiter was in enemy Saturn's 3rd house and had

> > mutual aspect relation with Sun too.

> >

> > 7) Lord of 8th Moon had conjunction relation with Saturn and was in 69%

> > lord-aspect control of malefic Sun too

> >

> > 8) the only planet with some good potential was Mars, being in 5th house

> > in its moolatrikona, but there too it was conjunct with highly malefic

> > Venus which was in enemy's house and lord of 6th and 11th houses.

> >

> > Thus, entire chart is dominated by killer combinations. Persons whose

> > names begin with following letters have least chances of survival :

> >

> > l, m (pierced by main killer Saturn and by malefic Venus)

> >

> > retroflex t, j, l, m, u, nasal (anusvar) (pierced by second killer Moon)

> >

> > h, s, d, retroflex d, vowels e and u (pierced by third killer Ketu)

> >

> > l, ch, d, s, g, kh, m, vowel u (pierced by fourth killer Rahu)

> >

> > v,b,r,a kh, vowels u,e,au (pierced by subsidiary killer Sun)

> >

> > a,u,o (pierced by subsidiary killer Mercury)

> >

> > Mars has slight benefits for names beginning with u , but Moon and ketu

> > pierce it. No name is auspiciously pierced by any planet. There is

> > hardly any chance of a single survival, unless someone has strong

> > longevity combinations in his/her personal horoscope.

> >

> > Merucentric Medini Jyotisha (mundane) charts reveal following points :

> >

> > 1) In annual Merucentric chart at the time of Mesha Pravesha (sidereal

> > FPA, mid April), Saturn is maarakesh (main killer) and is in bitter

> > enemy's house, in watery naadi and afflicting France and adjoining areas

> > of North Atlantic. Rio de Janeiro was in inauspicious 6th house and in

> > airy naadi.

> >

> > 2) In Merucentric chart of 4th Nakshatra which contained crash time, 3rd

> > house contained France and adjoining areas, Saturn sitting there in

> > watery naadi, while the lord of 3rd house Sun was in airy naadi in

> > bitter enemical sign with Maarakesh moon and lagnesh Mercury in 12th

> > house. Rio de Janeiro was in 6th house lorded by Mars of moolatrikona.

> > Saturn was lord of 8th and related to maarakesh Moon and Sun in 12th,

> > which made Saturn the main killer. The duration of 4th Nakshatra is from

> > 25 May to 8 June 2009. 1-3 Nakshatras had better Saturn and better

> > maarakesh, hence the evil effects of Mesha Pravesha chart had to be

> > given during 4th Nakshatra (I've not analyzed future Nakshatras from 5

> > to 27 for the whole year).

> >

> > 3) In Merucentric chart of shashtyamsha (half day chart) which contained

> > crash time, Saturn sits in 6th house with Moon, both in watery naadis,

> > and 6th lord Sun sits in bitter enemy's sign in 3rd house having close

> > relation with Saturn and Moon . Saturn was a main killer by dint of

> > being lord of inauspicious 12th and 11th houses. Mid Atlantic was in

> > 8th house of Death. Since lord of 2nd maarakesh Mars was in its

> > mooltrikona and was in airy naadi together with enmical Mercury in

> > chandaa naadi, and exalted Venus was also having full aspect on northern

> > part of 8th house owned by it (Venus was exalted but malefic being lord

> > of 3rd and 8th houses), there was strong turbulence in mid Atlantic, esp

> > around equator which seems to be crash site according to charts as well

> > as reports.

> >

> > I analyzed all previous half-day shashtyamsha charts of 4th Nakshatra :

> > worst killer combination was in 12th shashtyamsha whose duration was

> > from 31 may 23:41:25 GMT to 1 June 12:15:58 GMT . Hence, 12th

> > shashtyamsha had to give the ominous results of 4th Nakshatra chart, in

> > the same way 4th Nakshatra was destined to give the result of Mesha

> > Pravesha chart in those regions.

> >

> > Crash time appears to be 0207 GMT (± 7 minutes) from internet news.

> > Charts made from expected crash site (~30 W and 10N) indicate that a

> > strong turbulence struck the aircraft at 02:04:19 GMT (when exalted

> > Venus in airy naadi entered 2nd house of Killer), just after which crash

> > took place.

> >

> > Here are some news items scanned through internet

> > <http://duard. com.br/blog/ af-447-voo- airfrance- lista-de-

> passageiros- todo\

> > s-mortos.html/ _45852693_ plane_crash2_ 466<http://duard. com.br/blog/

af-447-voo- airfrance- lista-de- passageiros- todos-mortos. html/_45852693_

> plane_crash2_ 466>>

>

> > :

> >

> > 0133 GMT, Monday 1 June: Last radar contact with flight AF 447,

> > according to the Brazilian air force. The jet had just passed the

> > Fernando de Noronha islands, about 350 km (217 miles) off the coast of

> > Brazil.

> >

> > 0200 GMT : the aircraft crossed into a high turbulence zone.

> >

> > 0214 GMT : last automated message received.

> >

> > 1140 GMT: Brazil's air force says Flight AF 447 was " well

> > advanced " over the Atlantic Ocean when it went missing.

> >

> > 1142 GMT: Air France confirms it received a message about an electrical

> > fault from the aircraft.

> >

> > 1213 GMT: Air France suggests the electrical fault may have been caused

> > by the plane suffering a lightning strike..

> >

> > 1651 GMT: French President Nicolas Sarkozy says the prospect of finding

> > survivors from the flight is " very slim " .

> >

> > Here are some names who were onboard ;

> >

> > 1.) Eirch Heine - President of Admistration Council of

> > ThyssenKrupp- Companhia Siderurgica do Atlantico(CSA)

> >

> > 2.) Luis Roberto Anastacio - President Michelin South America

> >

> > 3.) Antonio Guerios - IT Director Michelin

> >

> > 4.) Christin Pieraerts - Employee Michelin

> >

> > 5.) Dr. Roberto Correa Chem - Plastic Surgeon - Director of Skin Bank

> > and Chief of Plastic Surgery Service of Porto Alegre Hospital.(Porto

> > Alegre is a City in the South of Brazil)

> >

> > 6.) Vera Chem (Wife of Dr. Chem)

> >

> > 7.) Leticia Chem (daughter of Dr. Chem - International Roaming manager

> > of OI Phone Company

> >

> > 8.) Deise Possamai

> >

> > 9.) Marcelo Parente - Chief of Staff of Rio de Janeiro Mayor.

> >

> > 10.) Leonardo Veloso Dardengo - Oceanographer

> >

> > 11..) Pedro Luiz de Orleans e Braganca - Prince - Descendant of Don Pedro

> > II Brazilian Emperor 1822-1831

> >

> > 12.) Rino Zandonai - Director of the Trentini Nel Mondo Onlus

> > Association - Italy

> >

> > 13.) Giambattista Lenzi - Regional Conselor of Trentino Alto Adige -

> > Italy

> >

> > 14.) Gianni Zortea - Mayor, Canal San Bovo - Italy

> >

> > 15.) Silvio Barbato - Conductor Rio Municipal Theater.

> >

> > -Vinay Jha

> > ============ ========= == ======

> >

> >

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