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Despite postings here and there or articles on the web and on paper (YES --they

still exist folks! Magazines on paper smelling of paper and prining inks, though

many on terminal life-support because when was it that you last d to a

magazine, or purchased a jyotish book, now that even scriptures are available

online and ot be had just for the price of internet!), jyotish fora on internet

possess the spontaneity of 'real-time response' that no magazine (even

cyber-ones that arrive for free or a small fee in our mail boxes --

periodically) can ever match!

 

Internet fora are like a town-hall meeting and that is why these remain

attractive. These represent the ultimate in communication that many/most have

desired for decades or perhaps longer!

 

Back in the rustic times (60s and 70s) we had learned to wait before we got an

answer. Whether we asked those from the few magazines or fewer experts that were

available or willing to toss a few crumbs astrological in the seeker's

direction! Often the crumbs were exactly that! Not even fit for the birds!

 

This irritated me, the sheer arrogance in this kind of arrangement of DEMAND and

supply -- way outproportioned! And exploited too!!

 

So when the new reality arrived in the 80s no one was happier than I!

 

Yes we fight a lot more now, yes the days back then were " peaceful " but they

were also secretive. Even today, we get glimpses of those puritanical and

archaic mentality but all that shall eventually pass.

 

Even today -- a segment of astrologers may choose to hold on to their Rock of

Gibralter -- but it is too late! Communication is the very essence of creation,

as I see it. Ants can work as a society, even the lowly hydra has what is taught

as division of labour and duties, schools of fish know when to travel together,

flocks of birds go from north to south and back to north, year in and year out!

Sure, individuals fall aside and do not conform but all of these are about

signaling and communication! Jagdeesh Chandra Bose demonstrated and many after

him how so called 'lowly' species can communicate and respond to one another, no

matter in how crude a manner or complex.

 

Astrology is nothing other than two worlds communicating with one another: The

Macrocosmos and the microcosmos. The outside and the inside.

 

Hence I call it a language! How else can communication be possible? Without a

language?? Astrology!

 

And like any child, learning a new language, the astrologer must first read and

understand and incorporate what has already been developed, what has happened or

occurred already and learn it a posteriori!

 

We learn prose and poetry in english or hindi or tamil or gujrati or marathi or

urdu and then only can we create the same which will be passed on to those who

follow so that they can learn and create more in the future!

 

RR

 

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Dear Sir,

Finding the learners or seekers of knowledge is very difficult situation

particulalrly in these days every thing is available in googgle search.It is

easy to pick up like a parrot few words here and there and make noise.The kind

of review: "  like any child, learning a new language, the astrologer must first

read and understand and incorporate what has already been developed, what has

happened or occurred already and learn it a posteriori! " no body would feel

happy and comfortable with such kind of approach,though necessary.

present genaration as we have seen in the e-media is to learn from blogs.their

reliability,comprehensiveness and originality are far from consistency and

truth.They may however help for such seekers of knowledge to promote their own

slefish interests and get focussed.

I feel quest and zealousness have to be supported by genuine urge to learn some

thing new and some thing whole heartedly to feel that one gains true knowledge

vrkrishnan 

vrkrishnan

 

 

 

--- On Sun, 6/7/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote:

 

 

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously!

 

Sunday, June 7, 2009, 11:06 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Despite postings here and there or articles on the web and on paper (YES --they

still exist folks! Magazines on paper smelling of paper and prining inks, though

many on terminal life-support because when was it that you last d to a

magazine, or purchased a jyotish book, now that even scriptures are available

online and ot be had just for the price of internet!), jyotish fora on internet

possess the spontaneity of 'real-time response' that no magazine (even

cyber-ones that arrive for free or a small fee in our mail boxes --

periodically) can ever match!

 

Internet fora are like a town-hall meeting and that is why these remain

attractive. These represent the ultimate in communication that many/most have

desired for decades or perhaps longer!

 

Back in the rustic times (60s and 70s) we had learned to wait before we got an

answer. Whether we asked those from the few magazines or fewer experts that were

available or willing to toss a few crumbs astrological in the seeker's

direction! Often the crumbs were exactly that! Not even fit for the birds!

 

This irritated me, the sheer arrogance in this kind of arrangement of DEMAND and

supply -- way outproportioned! And exploited too!!

 

So when the new reality arrived in the 80s no one was happier than I!

 

Yes we fight a lot more now, yes the days back then were " peaceful " but they

were also secretive. Even today, we get glimpses of those puritanical and

archaic mentality but all that shall eventually pass.

 

Even today -- a segment of astrologers may choose to hold on to their Rock of

Gibralter -- but it is too late! Communication is the very essence of creation,

as I see it. Ants can work as a society, even the lowly hydra has what is taught

as division of labour and duties, schools of fish know when to travel together,

flocks of birds go from north to south and back to north, year in and year out!

Sure, individuals fall aside and do not conform but all of these are about

signaling and communication! Jagdeesh Chandra Bose demonstrated and many after

him how so called 'lowly' species can communicate and respond to one another, no

matter in how crude a manner or complex.

 

Astrology is nothing other than two worlds communicating with one another: The

Macrocosmos and the microcosmos. The outside and the inside.

 

Hence I call it a language! How else can communication be possible? Without a

language?? Astrology!

 

And like any child, learning a new language, the astrologer must first read and

understand and incorporate what has already been developed, what has happened or

occurred already and learn it a posteriori!

 

We learn prose and poetry in english or hindi or tamil or gujrati or marathi or

urdu and then only can we create the same which will be passed on to those who

follow so that they can learn and create more in the future!

 

RR

 

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Krishnan ji,

 

In this matter, I am sure, each of us may have individual experiences and we may

come from different zones of biases and so on.

 

Please let me share with you my bias.

 

Jyotish being a service presumably and primarily, there is the natural

requirement to be able to give, to offer, energy must express and flow outwards.

 

Jyotishis must not spend too much time and energy on their own charts and

personal destinies, unless it becomes absolutely necessary and perhaps those are

the moments when Jyotishi must ask someone higher...

 

 

RR

 

 

 

, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

> Finding the learners or seekers of knowledge is very difficult situation

particulalrly in these days every thing is available in googgle search.It is

easy to pick up like a parrot few words here and there and make noise.The kind

of review: "  like any child, learning a new language, the astrologer must first

read and understand and incorporate what has already been developed, what has

happened or occurred already and learn it a posteriori! " no body would feel

happy and comfortable with such kind of approach,though necessary.

> present genaration as we have seen in the e-media is to learn from blogs.their

reliability,comprehensiveness and originality are far from consistency and

truth.They may however help for such seekers of knowledge to promote their own

slefish interests and get focussed.

> I feel quest and zealousness have to be supported by genuine urge to learn

some thing new and some thing whole heartedly to feel that one gains true

knowledge

> vrkrishnan 

> vrkrishnan

>

>

>

> --- On Sun, 6/7/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote:

>

>

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

> ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously!

>

> Sunday, June 7, 2009, 11:06 PM

>

>

Despite postings here and there or articles on the web and on paper (YES

--they still exist folks! Magazines on paper smelling of paper and prining inks,

though many on terminal life-support because when was it that you last

d to a magazine, or purchased a jyotish book, now that even scriptures

are available online and ot be had just for the price of internet!), jyotish

fora on internet possess the spontaneity of 'real-time response' that no

magazine (even cyber-ones that arrive for free or a small fee in our mail boxes

-- periodically) can ever match!

>

> Internet fora are like a town-hall meeting and that is why these remain

attractive. These represent the ultimate in communication that many/most have

desired for decades or perhaps longer!

>

> Back in the rustic times (60s and 70s) we had learned to wait before we got an

answer. Whether we asked those from the few magazines or fewer experts that were

available or willing to toss a few crumbs astrological in the seeker's

direction! Often the crumbs were exactly that! Not even fit for the birds!

>

> This irritated me, the sheer arrogance in this kind of arrangement of DEMAND

and supply -- way outproportioned! And exploited too!!

>

> So when the new reality arrived in the 80s no one was happier than I!

>

> Yes we fight a lot more now, yes the days back then were " peaceful " but they

were also secretive. Even today, we get glimpses of those puritanical and

archaic mentality but all that shall eventually pass.

>

> Even today -- a segment of astrologers may choose to hold on to their Rock of

Gibralter -- but it is too late! Communication is the very essence of creation,

as I see it. Ants can work as a society, even the lowly hydra has what is taught

as division of labour and duties, schools of fish know when to travel together,

flocks of birds go from north to south and back to north, year in and year out!

Sure, individuals fall aside and do not conform but all of these are about

signaling and communication! Jagdeesh Chandra Bose demonstrated and many after

him how so called 'lowly' species can communicate and respond to one another, no

matter in how crude a manner or complex.

>

> Astrology is nothing other than two worlds communicating with one another: The

Macrocosmos and the microcosmos. The outside and the inside.

>

> Hence I call it a language! How else can communication be possible? Without a

language?? Astrology!

>

> And like any child, learning a new language, the astrologer must first read

and understand and incorporate what has already been developed, what has

happened or occurred already and learn it a posteriori!

>

> We learn prose and poetry in english or hindi or tamil or gujrati or marathi

or urdu and then only can we create the same which will be passed on to those

who follow so that they can learn and create more in the future!

>

> RR

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

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Sir,

when ever I tried to find something in my own chart,i find myself as If my both

eyes are not functional I felt like Dritharashtra of Maha Barath.

Astrology basically when learnt and think we can give some service to society

honestly and sincerely we may attempt to so so.But in anticipation of time and

money factors in return.if we can really guide and helps some body to over come

his won inhibitions and barriers that itself a great satisfaction to us

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Wed, 6/10/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote:

 

 

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

Re: ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously!

 

Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 11:21 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Krishnan ji,

 

In this matter, I am sure, each of us may have individual experiences and we may

come from different zones of biases and so on.

 

Please let me share with you my bias.

 

Jyotish being a service presumably and primarily, there is the natural

requirement to be able to give, to offer, energy must express and flow outwards.

 

Jyotishis must not spend too much time and energy on their own charts and

personal destinies, unless it becomes absolutely necessary and perhaps those are

the moments when Jyotishi must ask someone higher...

 

RR

 

, vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

> Finding the learners or seekers of knowledge is very difficult situation

particulalrly in these days every thing is available in googgle search.It is

easy to pick up like a parrot few words here and there and make noise.The kind

of review: "  like any child, learning a new language, the astrologer must first

read and understand and incorporate what has already been developed, what has

happened or occurred already and learn it a posteriori! " no body would feel

happy and comfortable with such kind of approach,though necessary.

> present genaration as we have seen in the e-media is to learn from blogs.their

reliability, comprehensivenes s and originality are far from consistency and

truth.They may however help for such seekers of knowledge to promote their own

slefish interests and get focussed.

> I feel quest and zealousness have to be supported by genuine urge to learn

some thing new and some thing whole heartedly to feel that one gains true

knowledge

> vrkrishnan 

> vrkrishnan

>

>

>

> --- On Sun, 6/7/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

>

>

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously!

>

> Sunday, June 7, 2009, 11:06 PM

>

>

Despite postings here and there or articles on the web and on paper (YES

--they still exist folks! Magazines on paper smelling of paper and prining inks,

though many on terminal life-support because when was it that you last

d to a magazine, or purchased a jyotish book, now that even scriptures

are available online and ot be had just for the price of internet!), jyotish

fora on internet possess the spontaneity of 'real-time response' that no

magazine (even cyber-ones that arrive for free or a small fee in our mail boxes

-- periodically) can ever match!

>

> Internet fora are like a town-hall meeting and that is why these remain

attractive. These represent the ultimate in communication that many/most have

desired for decades or perhaps longer!

>

> Back in the rustic times (60s and 70s) we had learned to wait before we got an

answer. Whether we asked those from the few magazines or fewer experts that were

available or willing to toss a few crumbs astrological in the seeker's

direction! Often the crumbs were exactly that! Not even fit for the birds!

>

> This irritated me, the sheer arrogance in this kind of arrangement of DEMAND

and supply -- way outproportioned! And exploited too!!

>

> So when the new reality arrived in the 80s no one was happier than I!

>

> Yes we fight a lot more now, yes the days back then were " peaceful " but they

were also secretive. Even today, we get glimpses of those puritanical and

archaic mentality but all that shall eventually pass.

>

> Even today -- a segment of astrologers may choose to hold on to their Rock of

Gibralter -- but it is too late! Communication is the very essence of creation,

as I see it. Ants can work as a society, even the lowly hydra has what is taught

as division of labour and duties, schools of fish know when to travel together,

flocks of birds go from north to south and back to north, year in and year out!

Sure, individuals fall aside and do not conform but all of these are about

signaling and communication! Jagdeesh Chandra Bose demonstrated and many after

him how so called 'lowly' species can communicate and respond to one another, no

matter in how crude a manner or complex.

>

> Astrology is nothing other than two worlds communicating with one another: The

Macrocosmos and the microcosmos. The outside and the inside.

>

> Hence I call it a language! How else can communication be possible? Without a

language?? Astrology!

>

> And like any child, learning a new language, the astrologer must first read

and understand and incorporate what has already been developed, what has

happened or occurred already and learn it a posteriori!

>

> We learn prose and poetry in english or hindi or tamil or gujrati or marathi

or urdu and then only can we create the same which will be passed on to those

who follow so that they can learn and create more in the future!

>

> RR

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

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Krishnan Ji,

 

Few astrologers possess the sincerity and courage to say " when ever I tried to

find something in my own chart,i find myself as If my both eyes are not

functional " .

 

Similar problems prompted me to test alternative approaches, and nearly 11 years

ago I swithed to the Suryasiddhantic method which relieved me from Dritharashtra

syndrome. But I am surprised some astrologers are too much stuck to their biases

to even test this alternative. I have stopped arguing with those who are under a

vow never to rest this alternative. Mere argumentation leads to nowhere,

astrology is a practical science. There is no dearth of hypocrites among

astrologers who deliberately make wrong statements that their

Dritharashtra-method is foolproof. If so, why evade testing and cpmparing the

Case Studies and yet talk like good Samaritans in the " service " of mankind ?

 

-VJ

 

====================== ====

 

 

________________________________

vattem krishnan <bursar_99

 

Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:42:45 AM

Re: ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously!

 

 

 

 

 

Sir,

when ever I tried to find something in my own chart,i find myself as If my both

eyes are not functional I felt like Dritharashtra of Maha Barath.

Astrology basically when learnt and think we can give some service to society

honestly and sincerely we may attempt to so so.But in anticipation of time and

money factors in return.if we can really guide and helps some body to over come

his won inhibitions and barriers that itself a great satisfaction to us

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Wed, 6/10/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote:

 

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com>

Re: ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously!

 

Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 11:21 PM

 

Krishnan ji,

 

In this matter, I am sure, each of us may have individual experiences and we may

come from different zones of biases and so on.

 

Please let me share with you my bias.

 

Jyotish being a service presumably and primarily, there is the natural

requirement to be able to give, to offer, energy must express and flow outwards.

 

Jyotishis must not spend too much time and energy on their own charts and

personal destinies, unless it becomes absolutely necessary and perhaps those are

the moments when Jyotishi must ask someone higher...

 

RR

 

, vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

> Finding the learners or seekers of knowledge is very difficult situation

particulalrly in these days every thing is available in googgle search.It is

easy to pick up like a parrot few words here and there and make noise.The kind

of review: " like any child, learning a new language, the astrologer must first

read and understand and incorporate what has already been developed, what has

happened or occurred already and learn it a posteriori! " no body would feel

happy and comfortable with such kind of approach,though necessary.

> present genaration as we have seen in the e-media is to learn from blogs.their

reliability, comprehensivenes s and originality are far from consistency and

truth.They may however help for such seekers of knowledge to promote their own

slefish interests and get focussed.

> I feel quest and zealousness have to be supported by genuine urge to learn

some thing new and some thing whole heartedly to feel that one gains true

knowledge

> vrkrishnan

> vrkrishnan

>

>

>

> --- On Sun, 6/7/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

>

>

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously!

>

> Sunday, June 7, 2009, 11:06 PM

>

>

Despite postings here and there or articles on the web and on paper (YES

--they still exist folks! Magazines on paper smelling of paper and prining inks,

though many on terminal life-support because when was it that you last

d to a magazine, or purchased a jyotish book, now that even scriptures

are available online and ot be had just for the price of internet!), jyotish

fora on internet possess the spontaneity of 'real-time response' that no

magazine (even cyber-ones that arrive for free or a small fee in our mail boxes

-- periodically) can ever match!

>

> Internet fora are like a town-hall meeting and that is why these remain

attractive. These represent the ultimate in communication that many/most have

desired for decades or perhaps longer!

>

> Back in the rustic times (60s and 70s) we had learned to wait before we got an

answer. Whether we asked those from the few magazines or fewer experts that were

available or willing to toss a few crumbs astrological in the seeker's

direction! Often the crumbs were exactly that! Not even fit for the birds!

>

> This irritated me, the sheer arrogance in this kind of arrangement of DEMAND

and supply -- way outproportioned! And exploited too!!

>

> So when the new reality arrived in the 80s no one was happier than I!

>

> Yes we fight a lot more now, yes the days back then were " peaceful " but they

were also secretive. Even today, we get glimpses of those puritanical and

archaic mentality but all that shall eventually pass.

>

> Even today -- a segment of astrologers may choose to hold on to their Rock of

Gibralter -- but it is too late! Communication is the very essence of creation,

as I see it. Ants can work as a society, even the lowly hydra has what is taught

as division of labour and duties, schools of fish know when to travel together,

flocks of birds go from north to south and back to north, year in and year out!

Sure, individuals fall aside and do not conform but all of these are about

signaling and communication! Jagdeesh Chandra Bose demonstrated and many after

him how so called 'lowly' species can communicate and respond to one another, no

matter in how crude a manner or complex.

>

> Astrology is nothing other than two worlds communicating with one another: The

Macrocosmos and the microcosmos. The outside and the inside.

>

> Hence I call it a language! How else can communication be possible? Without a

language?? Astrology!

>

> And like any child, learning a new language, the astrologer must first read

and understand and incorporate what has already been developed, what has

happened or occurred already and learn it a posteriori!

>

> We learn prose and poetry in english or hindi or tamil or gujrati or marathi

or urdu and then only can we create the same which will be passed on to those

who follow so that they can learn and create more in the future!

>

> RR

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

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Probably good insight tells me to use your software for better purposes as it

will give me better insight than to try on my own chart.For my future to guaze

through my own chart,i would prefer to be Dhritarashtra.People who are always

can help me and guide me.Certainly you are one among them.The service you

provide is always of immense help to the future of Astrologer and would like to

be astudent to strive and learn.probably your repeted censures can wake me up

and learn through your software and become better smartin

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Thu, 6/11/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

 

 

Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16

Re: ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously!

 

Thursday, June 11, 2009, 1:29 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Krishnan Ji,

 

Few astrologers possess the sincerity and courage to say " when ever I tried to

find something in my own chart,i find myself as If my both eyes are not

functional " .

 

Similar problems prompted me to test alternative approaches, and nearly 11 years

ago I swithed to the Suryasiddhantic method which relieved me from Dritharashtra

syndrome. But I am surprised some astrologers are too much stuck to their biases

to even test this alternative. I have stopped arguing with those who are under a

vow never to rest this alternative. Mere argumentation leads to nowhere,

astrology is a practical science. There is no dearth of hypocrites among

astrologers who deliberately make wrong statements that their Dritharashtra-

method is foolproof. If so, why evade testing and cpmparing the Case Studies and

yet talk like good Samaritans in the " service " of mankind ?

 

-VJ

 

============ ========= = ====

 

____________ _________ _________ __

vattem krishnan <bursar_99 >

 

Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:42:45 AM

Re: ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously!

 

Sir,

when ever I tried to find something in my own chart,i find myself as If my both

eyes are not functional I felt like Dritharashtra of Maha Barath.

Astrology basically when learnt and think we can give some service to society

honestly and sincerely we may attempt to so so.But in anticipation of time and

money factors in return.if we can really guide and helps some body to over come

his won inhibitions and barriers that itself a great satisfaction to us

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Wed, 6/10/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote:

 

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com>

Re: ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously!

 

Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 11:21 PM

 

Krishnan ji,

 

In this matter, I am sure, each of us may have individual experiences and we may

come from different zones of biases and so on.

 

Please let me share with you my bias.

 

Jyotish being a service presumably and primarily, there is the natural

requirement to be able to give, to offer, energy must express and flow outwards.

 

Jyotishis must not spend too much time and energy on their own charts and

personal destinies, unless it becomes absolutely necessary and perhaps those are

the moments when Jyotishi must ask someone higher...

 

RR

 

, vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

> Finding the learners or seekers of knowledge is very difficult situation

particulalrly in these days every thing is available in googgle search.It is

easy to pick up like a parrot few words here and there and make noise.The kind

of review: " like any child, learning a new language, the astrologer must first

read and understand and incorporate what has already been developed, what has

happened or occurred already and learn it a posteriori! " no body would feel

happy and comfortable with such kind of approach,though necessary.

> present genaration as we have seen in the e-media is to learn from blogs.their

reliability, comprehensivenes s and originality are far from consistency and

truth.They may however help for such seekers of knowledge to promote their own

slefish interests and get focussed.

> I feel quest and zealousness have to be supported by genuine urge to learn

some thing new and some thing whole heartedly to feel that one gains true

knowledge

> vrkrishnan

> vrkrishnan

>

>

>

> --- On Sun, 6/7/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

>

>

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously!

>

> Sunday, June 7, 2009, 11:06 PM

>

>

Despite postings here and there or articles on the web and on paper (YES

--they still exist folks! Magazines on paper smelling of paper and prining inks,

though many on terminal life-support because when was it that you last

d to a magazine, or purchased a jyotish book, now that even scriptures

are available online and ot be had just for the price of internet!), jyotish

fora on internet possess the spontaneity of 'real-time response' that no

magazine (even cyber-ones that arrive for free or a small fee in our mail boxes

-- periodically) can ever match!

>

> Internet fora are like a town-hall meeting and that is why these remain

attractive. These represent the ultimate in communication that many/most have

desired for decades or perhaps longer!

>

> Back in the rustic times (60s and 70s) we had learned to wait before we got an

answer. Whether we asked those from the few magazines or fewer experts that were

available or willing to toss a few crumbs astrological in the seeker's

direction! Often the crumbs were exactly that! Not even fit for the birds!

>

> This irritated me, the sheer arrogance in this kind of arrangement of DEMAND

and supply -- way outproportioned! And exploited too!!

>

> So when the new reality arrived in the 80s no one was happier than I!

>

> Yes we fight a lot more now, yes the days back then were " peaceful " but they

were also secretive. Even today, we get glimpses of those puritanical and

archaic mentality but all that shall eventually pass.

>

> Even today -- a segment of astrologers may choose to hold on to their Rock of

Gibralter -- but it is too late! Communication is the very essence of creation,

as I see it. Ants can work as a society, even the lowly hydra has what is taught

as division of labour and duties, schools of fish know when to travel together,

flocks of birds go from north to south and back to north, year in and year out!

Sure, individuals fall aside and do not conform but all of these are about

signaling and communication! Jagdeesh Chandra Bose demonstrated and many after

him how so called 'lowly' species can communicate and respond to one another, no

matter in how crude a manner or complex.

>

> Astrology is nothing other than two worlds communicating with one another: The

Macrocosmos and the microcosmos. The outside and the inside.

>

> Hence I call it a language! How else can communication be possible? Without a

language?? Astrology!

>

> And like any child, learning a new language, the astrologer must first read

and understand and incorporate what has already been developed, what has

happened or occurred already and learn it a posteriori!

>

> We learn prose and poetry in english or hindi or tamil or gujrati or marathi

or urdu and then only can we create the same which will be passed on to those

who follow so that they can learn and create more in the future!

>

> RR

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

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vattem krishnan Ji,

 

It seems my complaints against some members who are still using offensive and

biased language has been misinterpreted by you to be directed at you. I have not

joined these forums to hurt people. You should not read sarcasm & c in my post.

It was a general complaint. You may neglect my posts and software, I will not

complain in future.

 

-VJ

 

========================= =====

 

 

________________________________

vattem krishnan <bursar_99

 

Thursday, June 11, 2009 9:15:06 PM

Re: ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously!

 

 

 

 

 

Probably good insight tells me to use your software for better purposes as it

will give me better insight than to try on my own chart.For my future to guaze

through my own chart,i would prefer to be Dhritarashtra. People who are always

can help me and guide me.Certainly you are one among them.The service you

provide is always of immense help to the future of Astrologer and would like to

be astudent to strive and learn.probably your repeted censures can wake me up

and learn through your software and become better smartin

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Thu, 6/11/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

 

Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ >

Re: ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously!

 

Thursday, June 11, 2009, 1:29 AM

 

Krishnan Ji,

 

Few astrologers possess the sincerity and courage to say " when ever I tried to

find something in my own chart,i find myself as If my both eyes are not

functional " .

 

Similar problems prompted me to test alternative approaches, and nearly 11 years

ago I swithed to the Suryasiddhantic method which relieved me from Dritharashtra

syndrome. But I am surprised some astrologers are too much stuck to their biases

to even test this alternative. I have stopped arguing with those who are under a

vow never to rest this alternative. Mere argumentation leads to nowhere,

astrology is a practical science. There is no dearth of hypocrites among

astrologers who deliberately make wrong statements that their Dritharashtra-

method is foolproof. If so, why evade testing and cpmparing the Case Studies and

yet talk like good Samaritans in the " service " of mankind ?

 

-VJ

 

============ ========= = ====

 

____________ _________ _________ __

vattem krishnan <bursar_99 >

 

Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:42:45 AM

Re: ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously!

 

Sir,

when ever I tried to find something in my own chart,i find myself as If my both

eyes are not functional I felt like Dritharashtra of Maha Barath.

Astrology basically when learnt and think we can give some service to society

honestly and sincerely we may attempt to so so.But in anticipation of time and

money factors in return.if we can really guide and helps some body to over come

his won inhibitions and barriers that itself a great satisfaction to us

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Wed, 6/10/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote:

 

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com>

Re: ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously!

 

Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 11:21 PM

 

Krishnan ji,

 

In this matter, I am sure, each of us may have individual experiences and we may

come from different zones of biases and so on.

 

Please let me share with you my bias.

 

Jyotish being a service presumably and primarily, there is the natural

requirement to be able to give, to offer, energy must express and flow outwards.

 

Jyotishis must not spend too much time and energy on their own charts and

personal destinies, unless it becomes absolutely necessary and perhaps those are

the moments when Jyotishi must ask someone higher...

 

RR

 

, vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

> Finding the learners or seekers of knowledge is very difficult situation

particulalrly in these days every thing is available in googgle search.It is

easy to pick up like a parrot few words here and there and make noise.The kind

of review: " like any child, learning a new language, the astrologer must first

read and understand and incorporate what has already been developed, what has

happened or occurred already and learn it a posteriori! " no body would feel

happy and comfortable with such kind of approach,though necessary.

> present genaration as we have seen in the e-media is to learn from blogs.their

reliability, comprehensivenes s and originality are far from consistency and

truth.They may however help for such seekers of knowledge to promote their own

slefish interests and get focussed.

> I feel quest and zealousness have to be supported by genuine urge to learn

some thing new and some thing whole heartedly to feel that one gains true

knowledge

> vrkrishnan

> vrkrishnan

>

>

>

> --- On Sun, 6/7/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

>

>

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously!

>

> Sunday, June 7, 2009, 11:06 PM

>

>

Despite postings here and there or articles on the web and on paper (YES

--they still exist folks! Magazines on paper smelling of paper and prining inks,

though many on terminal life-support because when was it that you last

d to a magazine, or purchased a jyotish book, now that even scriptures

are available online and ot be had just for the price of internet!), jyotish

fora on internet possess the spontaneity of 'real-time response' that no

magazine (even cyber-ones that arrive for free or a small fee in our mail boxes

-- periodically) can ever match!

>

> Internet fora are like a town-hall meeting and that is why these remain

attractive. These represent the ultimate in communication that many/most have

desired for decades or perhaps longer!

>

> Back in the rustic times (60s and 70s) we had learned to wait before we got an

answer. Whether we asked those from the few magazines or fewer experts that were

available or willing to toss a few crumbs astrological in the seeker's

direction! Often the crumbs were exactly that! Not even fit for the birds!

>

> This irritated me, the sheer arrogance in this kind of arrangement of DEMAND

and supply -- way outproportioned! And exploited too!!

>

> So when the new reality arrived in the 80s no one was happier than I!

>

> Yes we fight a lot more now, yes the days back then were " peaceful " but they

were also secretive. Even today, we get glimpses of those puritanical and

archaic mentality but all that shall eventually pass.

>

> Even today -- a segment of astrologers may choose to hold on to their Rock of

Gibralter -- but it is too late! Communication is the very essence of creation,

as I see it. Ants can work as a society, even the lowly hydra has what is taught

as division of labour and duties, schools of fish know when to travel together,

flocks of birds go from north to south and back to north, year in and year out!

Sure, individuals fall aside and do not conform but all of these are about

signaling and communication! Jagdeesh Chandra Bose demonstrated and many after

him how so called 'lowly' species can communicate and respond to one another, no

matter in how crude a manner or complex.

>

> Astrology is nothing other than two worlds communicating with one another: The

Macrocosmos and the microcosmos. The outside and the inside.

>

> Hence I call it a language! How else can communication be possible? Without a

language?? Astrology!

>

> And like any child, learning a new language, the astrologer must first read

and understand and incorporate what has already been developed, what has

happened or occurred already and learn it a posteriori!

>

> We learn prose and poetry in english or hindi or tamil or gujrati or marathi

or urdu and then only can we create the same which will be passed on to those

who follow so that they can learn and create more in the future!

>

> RR

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

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Arsa longa vita brevis!

 

Empty distractions will plague us jyotishis always, like in the past! And one's

own chart is not the best place to test a new toy. And, by that I mean, as long

as we all are learning astrology and not making wild claims of accuracy, it is

best to avoid testing those on one's chart.

 

Sadly, I have seen this in some very mature and very admirable jyotishis. They

test a new technique or yoga on their chart and then it is either keep or toss!

But maybe they know what they are doing! There is no telling, of course unless

we see the raw data as scientists doing peer-review often say! ;-)

 

RR

 

, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Probably good insight tells me to use your software for better purposes as it

will give me better insight than to try on my own chart.For my future to guaze

through my own chart,i would prefer to be Dhritarashtra.People who are always

can help me and guide me.Certainly you are one among them.The service you

provide is always of immense help to the future of Astrologer and would like to

be astudent to strive and learn.probably your repeted censures can wake me up

and learn through your software and become better smartin

> vrkrishnan

>

> --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

>

>

> Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16

> Re: ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously!

>

> Thursday, June 11, 2009, 1:29 AM

>

>

Krishnan Ji,

>

> Few astrologers possess the sincerity and courage to say " when ever I tried to

find something in my own chart,i find myself as If my both eyes are not

functional " .

>

> Similar problems prompted me to test alternative approaches, and nearly 11

years ago I swithed to the Suryasiddhantic method which relieved me from

Dritharashtra syndrome. But I am surprised some astrologers are too much stuck

to their biases to even test this alternative. I have stopped arguing with those

who are under a vow never to rest this alternative. Mere argumentation leads to

nowhere, astrology is a practical science. There is no dearth of hypocrites

among astrologers who deliberately make wrong statements that their

Dritharashtra- method is foolproof. If so, why evade testing and cpmparing the

Case Studies and yet talk like good Samaritans in the " service " of mankind ?

>

> -VJ

>

> ============ ========= = ====

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> vattem krishnan <bursar_99 >

>

> Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:42:45 AM

> Re: ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously!

>

> Sir,

> when ever I tried to find something in my own chart,i find myself as If my

both eyes are not functional I felt like Dritharashtra of Maha Barath.

> Astrology basically when learnt and think we can give some service to society

honestly and sincerely we may attempt to so so.But in anticipation of time and

money factors in return.if we can really guide and helps some body to over come

his won inhibitions and barriers that itself a great satisfaction to us

> vrkrishnan

>

> --- On Wed, 6/10/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote:

>

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com>

> Re: ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously!

>

> Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 11:21 PM

>

> Krishnan ji,

>

> In this matter, I am sure, each of us may have individual experiences and we

may come from different zones of biases and so on.

>

> Please let me share with you my bias.

>

> Jyotish being a service presumably and primarily, there is the natural

requirement to be able to give, to offer, energy must express and flow outwards.

>

> Jyotishis must not spend too much time and energy on their own charts and

personal destinies, unless it becomes absolutely necessary and perhaps those are

the moments when Jyotishi must ask someone higher...

>

> RR

>

> , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> > Finding the learners or seekers of knowledge is very difficult situation

particulalrly in these days every thing is available in googgle search.It is

easy to pick up like a parrot few words here and there and make noise.The kind

of review: " like any child, learning a new language, the astrologer must first

read and understand and incorporate what has already been developed, what has

happened or occurred already and learn it a posteriori! " no body would feel

happy and comfortable with such kind of approach,though necessary.

> > present genaration as we have seen in the e-media is to learn from

blogs.their reliability, comprehensivenes s and originality are far from

consistency and truth.They may however help for such seekers of knowledge to

promote their own slefish interests and get focussed.

> > I feel quest and zealousness have to be supported by genuine urge to learn

some thing new and some thing whole heartedly to feel that one gains true

knowledge

> > vrkrishnan

> > vrkrishnan

> >

> >

> >

> > --- On Sun, 6/7/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously!

> >

> > Sunday, June 7, 2009, 11:06 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Despite postings here and there or articles on the web and on paper (YES

--they still exist folks! Magazines on paper smelling of paper and prining inks,

though many on terminal life-support because when was it that you last

d to a magazine, or purchased a jyotish book, now that even scriptures

are available online and ot be had just for the price of internet!), jyotish

fora on internet possess the spontaneity of 'real-time response' that no

magazine (even cyber-ones that arrive for free or a small fee in our mail boxes

-- periodically) can ever match!

> >

> > Internet fora are like a town-hall meeting and that is why these remain

attractive. These represent the ultimate in communication that many/most have

desired for decades or perhaps longer!

> >

> > Back in the rustic times (60s and 70s) we had learned to wait before we got

an answer. Whether we asked those from the few magazines or fewer experts that

were available or willing to toss a few crumbs astrological in the seeker's

direction! Often the crumbs were exactly that! Not even fit for the birds!

> >

> > This irritated me, the sheer arrogance in this kind of arrangement of DEMAND

and supply -- way outproportioned! And exploited too!!

> >

> > So when the new reality arrived in the 80s no one was happier than I!

> >

> > Yes we fight a lot more now, yes the days back then were " peaceful " but they

were also secretive. Even today, we get glimpses of those puritanical and

archaic mentality but all that shall eventually pass.

> >

> > Even today -- a segment of astrologers may choose to hold on to their Rock

of Gibralter -- but it is too late! Communication is the very essence of

creation, as I see it. Ants can work as a society, even the lowly hydra has what

is taught as division of labour and duties, schools of fish know when to travel

together, flocks of birds go from north to south and back to north, year in and

year out! Sure, individuals fall aside and do not conform but all of these are

about signaling and communication! Jagdeesh Chandra Bose demonstrated and many

after him how so called 'lowly' species can communicate and respond to one

another, no matter in how crude a manner or complex.

> >

> > Astrology is nothing other than two worlds communicating with one another:

The Macrocosmos and the microcosmos. The outside and the inside.

> >

> > Hence I call it a language! How else can communication be possible? Without

a language?? Astrology!

> >

> > And like any child, learning a new language, the astrologer must first read

and understand and incorporate what has already been developed, what has

happened or occurred already and learn it a posteriori!

> >

> > We learn prose and poetry in english or hindi or tamil or gujrati or marathi

or urdu and then only can we create the same which will be passed on to those

who follow so that they can learn and create more in the future!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Rohini Dada,

I would like to be called as hasty as cyber media for umpteen opportunities

always makes issues more divergent and complicated.

For learning environment,I still prefer that Guru Sishya Parampara by acceptin a

person as your teacher and learn from him through his writings.discourse or by

observations.

Infact,i was lucky to have the influnece of Shri.K.N.Rao before a systematic

study was made/initiated.Later,Infact those were the days when Rao saheb was

promoting A.M through his writings and analysis.Late Raman when thought of ICAS

and Institutionalisation,there were parting of ways and the Bharatiya Vidya

Bhavan has made it's existence for stamping purpose and promote Astrology as a

subject.

Infact all these eminent personalities have least remeberance of their birth

chart and all of their experiments and learning came through the charts of

others.In 80s Computerised horscopes find lot of bugs till date and we do not

know whether they fitted their programs based on BPHS or Parashara.Now a days

the problems are encountered through software developed through K.P System.

A person recently brought a horoscope made according to KP and has given it to

me.According to that some body analysed that he will bag big computer project

and make big buck.when in my own way,I found him to be a fraudster and

unreliable.His birth around amvasya days and with Rahu in 2nd from lagna could

only lead his project into total loss and himself facing leagal issues.

Let's learn through what is understandable and is open for every body to try and

learn some thing out of such innovative approaches

vrkrishnan

P.S:need ofcourse to check mercury is not retrograde to make confounding issues

 

--- On Thu, 6/11/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote:

 

 

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

Re: ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously!

 

Thursday, June 11, 2009, 7:07 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Krishnan Dada,

 

Arsa longa vita brevis!

 

Empty distractions will plague us jyotishis always, like in the past! And one's

own chart is not the best place to test a new toy. And, by that I mean, as long

as we all are learning astrology and not making wild claims of accuracy, it is

best to avoid testing those on one's chart.

 

Sadly, I have seen this in some very mature and very admirable jyotishis. They

test a new technique or yoga on their chart and then it is either keep or toss!

But maybe they know what they are doing! There is no telling, of course unless

we see the raw data as scientists doing peer-review often say! ;-)

 

RR

 

, vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Probably good insight tells me to use your software for better purposes as it

will give me better insight than to try on my own chart.For my future to guaze

through my own chart,i would prefer to be Dhritarashtra. People who are always

can help me and guide me.Certainly you are one among them.The service you

provide is always of immense help to the future of Astrologer and would like to

be astudent to strive and learn.probably your repeted censures can wake me up

and learn through your software and become better smartin

> vrkrishnan

>

> --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

>

>

> Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

> Re: ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously!

>

> Thursday, June 11, 2009, 1:29 AM

>

>

Krishnan Ji,

>

> Few astrologers possess the sincerity and courage to say " when ever I tried to

find something in my own chart,i find myself as If my both eyes are not

functional " .

>

> Similar problems prompted me to test alternative approaches, and nearly 11

years ago I swithed to the Suryasiddhantic method which relieved me from

Dritharashtra syndrome. But I am surprised some astrologers are too much stuck

to their biases to even test this alternative. I have stopped arguing with those

who are under a vow never to rest this alternative. Mere argumentation leads to

nowhere, astrology is a practical science. There is no dearth of hypocrites

among astrologers who deliberately make wrong statements that their

Dritharashtra- method is foolproof. If so, why evade testing and cpmparing the

Case Studies and yet talk like good Samaritans in the " service " of mankind ?

>

> -VJ

>

> ============ ========= = ====

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> vattem krishnan <bursar_99 >

>

> Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:42:45 AM

> Re: ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously!

>

> Sir,

> when ever I tried to find something in my own chart,i find myself as If my

both eyes are not functional I felt like Dritharashtra of Maha Barath.

> Astrology basically when learnt and think we can give some service to society

honestly and sincerely we may attempt to so so.But in anticipation of time and

money factors in return.if we can really guide and helps some body to over come

his won inhibitions and barriers that itself a great satisfaction to us

> vrkrishnan

>

> --- On Wed, 6/10/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote:

>

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com>

> Re: ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously!

>

> Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 11:21 PM

>

> Krishnan ji,

>

> In this matter, I am sure, each of us may have individual experiences and we

may come from different zones of biases and so on.

>

> Please let me share with you my bias.

>

> Jyotish being a service presumably and primarily, there is the natural

requirement to be able to give, to offer, energy must express and flow outwards.

>

> Jyotishis must not spend too much time and energy on their own charts and

personal destinies, unless it becomes absolutely necessary and perhaps those are

the moments when Jyotishi must ask someone higher...

>

> RR

>

> , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> > Finding the learners or seekers of knowledge is very difficult situation

particulalrly in these days every thing is available in googgle search.It is

easy to pick up like a parrot few words here and there and make noise.The kind

of review: " like any child, learning a new language, the astrologer must first

read and understand and incorporate what has already been developed, what has

happened or occurred already and learn it a posteriori! " no body would feel

happy and comfortable with such kind of approach,though necessary.

> > present genaration as we have seen in the e-media is to learn from

blogs.their reliability, comprehensivenes s and originality are far from

consistency and truth.They may however help for such seekers of knowledge to

promote their own slefish interests and get focussed.

> > I feel quest and zealousness have to be supported by genuine urge to learn

some thing new and some thing whole heartedly to feel that one gains true

knowledge

> > vrkrishnan

> > vrkrishnan

> >

> >

> >

> > --- On Sun, 6/7/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously!

> >

> > Sunday, June 7, 2009, 11:06 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Despite postings here and there or articles on the web and on paper (YES

--they still exist folks! Magazines on paper smelling of paper and prining inks,

though many on terminal life-support because when was it that you last

d to a magazine, or purchased a jyotish book, now that even scriptures

are available online and ot be had just for the price of internet!), jyotish

fora on internet possess the spontaneity of 'real-time response' that no

magazine (even cyber-ones that arrive for free or a small fee in our mail boxes

-- periodically) can ever match!

> >

> > Internet fora are like a town-hall meeting and that is why these remain

attractive. These represent the ultimate in communication that many/most have

desired for decades or perhaps longer!

> >

> > Back in the rustic times (60s and 70s) we had learned to wait before we got

an answer. Whether we asked those from the few magazines or fewer experts that

were available or willing to toss a few crumbs astrological in the seeker's

direction! Often the crumbs were exactly that! Not even fit for the birds!

> >

> > This irritated me, the sheer arrogance in this kind of arrangement of DEMAND

and supply -- way outproportioned! And exploited too!!

> >

> > So when the new reality arrived in the 80s no one was happier than I!

> >

> > Yes we fight a lot more now, yes the days back then were " peaceful " but they

were also secretive. Even today, we get glimpses of those puritanical and

archaic mentality but all that shall eventually pass.

> >

> > Even today -- a segment of astrologers may choose to hold on to their Rock

of Gibralter -- but it is too late! Communication is the very essence of

creation, as I see it. Ants can work as a society, even the lowly hydra has what

is taught as division of labour and duties, schools of fish know when to travel

together, flocks of birds go from north to south and back to north, year in and

year out! Sure, individuals fall aside and do not conform but all of these are

about signaling and communication! Jagdeesh Chandra Bose demonstrated and many

after him how so called 'lowly' species can communicate and respond to one

another, no matter in how crude a manner or complex.

> >

> > Astrology is nothing other than two worlds communicating with one another:

The Macrocosmos and the microcosmos. The outside and the inside.

> >

> > Hence I call it a language! How else can communication be possible? Without

a language?? Astrology!

> >

> > And like any child, learning a new language, the astrologer must first read

and understand and incorporate what has already been developed, what has

happened or occurred already and learn it a posteriori!

> >

> > We learn prose and poetry in english or hindi or tamil or gujrati or marathi

or urdu and then only can we create the same which will be passed on to those

who follow so that they can learn and create more in the future!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

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Krishnan Dada,

 

You are blessed, of course, to have enjoyed the blessings of such Great Teachers

that have changed the Tides of Jyotish in our times!

 

All that aside, may I gently impose upon you to re-think your position about the

" fraduster " , Sir? :-) Not the Fraudster part because you would not have accused

someone so harshly unless there was justification. I am only requesting you to

link it totally with rahu in 2nd being the indicator!

 

I know of a chart of an individual born on Shivratri with karkata rising and

rahu in 2nd house. He was anything but a fraudster and built an educational

institution that was very much acclaimed. Rahu was of course stabilized by

jupiter from the 10th and many planets right across from where it was located!

 

Never underestimate or hastily judge rahu! Not in kaliyuga, certainly ;-)

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Rohini Dada,

> I would like to be called as hasty as cyber media for umpteen opportunities

always makes issues more divergent and complicated.

> For learning environment,I still prefer that Guru Sishya Parampara by acceptin

a person as your teacher and learn from him through his writings.discourse or by

observations.

> Infact,i was lucky to have the influnece of Shri.K.N.Rao before a systematic

study was made/initiated.Later,Infact those were the days when Rao saheb was

promoting A.M through his writings and analysis.Late Raman when thought of ICAS

and Institutionalisation,there were parting of ways and the Bharatiya Vidya

Bhavan has made it's existence for stamping purpose and promote Astrology as a

subject.

> Infact all these eminent personalities have least remeberance of their birth

chart and all of their experiments and learning came through the charts of

others.In 80s Computerised horscopes find lot of bugs till date and we do not

know whether they fitted their programs based on BPHS or Parashara.Now a days

the problems are encountered through software developed through K.P System.

> A person recently brought a horoscope made according to KP and has given it to

me.According to that some body analysed that he will bag big computer project

and make big buck.when in my own way,I found him to be a fraudster and

unreliable.His birth around amvasya days and with Rahu in 2nd from lagna could

only lead his project into total loss and himself facing leagal issues.

> Let's learn through what is understandable and is open for every body to try

and learn some thing out of such innovative approaches

> vrkrishnan

> P.S:need ofcourse to check mercury is not retrograde to make confounding

issues

>

> --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote:

>

>

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

> Re: ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously!

>

> Thursday, June 11, 2009, 7:07 PM

>

>

Krishnan Dada,

>

> Arsa longa vita brevis!

>

> Empty distractions will plague us jyotishis always, like in the past! And

one's own chart is not the best place to test a new toy. And, by that I mean, as

long as we all are learning astrology and not making wild claims of accuracy, it

is best to avoid testing those on one's chart.

>

> Sadly, I have seen this in some very mature and very admirable jyotishis. They

test a new technique or yoga on their chart and then it is either keep or toss!

But maybe they know what they are doing! There is no telling, of course unless

we see the raw data as scientists doing peer-review often say! ;-)

>

> RR

>

> , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Probably good insight tells me to use your software for better purposes as

it will give me better insight than to try on my own chart.For my future to

guaze through my own chart,i would prefer to be Dhritarashtra. People who are

always can help me and guide me.Certainly you are one among them.The service you

provide is always of immense help to the future of Astrologer and would like to

be astudent to strive and learn.probably your repeted censures can wake me up

and learn through your software and become better smartin

> > vrkrishnan

> >

> > --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

> > Re: ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously!

> >

> > Thursday, June 11, 2009, 1:29 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Krishnan Ji,

> >

> > Few astrologers possess the sincerity and courage to say " when ever I tried

to find something in my own chart,i find myself as If my both eyes are not

functional " .

> >

> > Similar problems prompted me to test alternative approaches, and nearly 11

years ago I swithed to the Suryasiddhantic method which relieved me from

Dritharashtra syndrome. But I am surprised some astrologers are too much stuck

to their biases to even test this alternative. I have stopped arguing with those

who are under a vow never to rest this alternative. Mere argumentation leads to

nowhere, astrology is a practical science. There is no dearth of hypocrites

among astrologers who deliberately make wrong statements that their

Dritharashtra- method is foolproof. If so, why evade testing and cpmparing the

Case Studies and yet talk like good Samaritans in the " service " of mankind ?

> >

> > -VJ

> >

> > ============ ========= = ====

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > vattem krishnan <bursar_99 >

> >

> > Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:42:45 AM

> > Re: ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously!

> >

> > Sir,

> > when ever I tried to find something in my own chart,i find myself as If my

both eyes are not functional I felt like Dritharashtra of Maha Barath.

> > Astrology basically when learnt and think we can give some service to

society honestly and sincerely we may attempt to so so.But in anticipation of

time and money factors in return.if we can really guide and helps some body to

over come his won inhibitions and barriers that itself a great satisfaction to

us

> > vrkrishnan

> >

> > --- On Wed, 6/10/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote:

> >

> > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com>

> > Re: ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously!

> >

> > Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 11:21 PM

> >

> > Krishnan ji,

> >

> > In this matter, I am sure, each of us may have individual experiences and we

may come from different zones of biases and so on.

> >

> > Please let me share with you my bias.

> >

> > Jyotish being a service presumably and primarily, there is the natural

requirement to be able to give, to offer, energy must express and flow outwards.

> >

> > Jyotishis must not spend too much time and energy on their own charts and

personal destinies, unless it becomes absolutely necessary and perhaps those are

the moments when Jyotishi must ask someone higher...

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sir,

> > > Finding the learners or seekers of knowledge is very difficult situation

particulalrly in these days every thing is available in googgle search.It is

easy to pick up like a parrot few words here and there and make noise.The kind

of review: " like any child, learning a new language, the astrologer must first

read and understand and incorporate what has already been developed, what has

happened or occurred already and learn it a posteriori! " no body would feel

happy and comfortable with such kind of approach,though necessary.

> > > present genaration as we have seen in the e-media is to learn from

blogs.their reliability, comprehensivenes s and originality are far from

consistency and truth.They may however help for such seekers of knowledge to

promote their own slefish interests and get focussed.

> > > I feel quest and zealousness have to be supported by genuine urge to learn

some thing new and some thing whole heartedly to feel that one gains true

knowledge

> > > vrkrishnan

> > > vrkrishnan

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 6/7/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > > ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously!

> > >

> > > Sunday, June 7, 2009, 11:06 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Despite postings here and there or articles on the web and on paper (YES

--they still exist folks! Magazines on paper smelling of paper and prining inks,

though many on terminal life-support because when was it that you last

d to a magazine, or purchased a jyotish book, now that even scriptures

are available online and ot be had just for the price of internet!), jyotish

fora on internet possess the spontaneity of 'real-time response' that no

magazine (even cyber-ones that arrive for free or a small fee in our mail boxes

-- periodically) can ever match!

> > >

> > > Internet fora are like a town-hall meeting and that is why these remain

attractive. These represent the ultimate in communication that many/most have

desired for decades or perhaps longer!

> > >

> > > Back in the rustic times (60s and 70s) we had learned to wait before we

got an answer. Whether we asked those from the few magazines or fewer experts

that were available or willing to toss a few crumbs astrological in the seeker's

direction! Often the crumbs were exactly that! Not even fit for the birds!

> > >

> > > This irritated me, the sheer arrogance in this kind of arrangement of

DEMAND and supply -- way outproportioned! And exploited too!!

> > >

> > > So when the new reality arrived in the 80s no one was happier than I!

> > >

> > > Yes we fight a lot more now, yes the days back then were " peaceful " but

they were also secretive. Even today, we get glimpses of those puritanical and

archaic mentality but all that shall eventually pass.

> > >

> > > Even today -- a segment of astrologers may choose to hold on to their Rock

of Gibralter -- but it is too late! Communication is the very essence of

creation, as I see it. Ants can work as a society, even the lowly hydra has what

is taught as division of labour and duties, schools of fish know when to travel

together, flocks of birds go from north to south and back to north, year in and

year out! Sure, individuals fall aside and do not conform but all of these are

about signaling and communication! Jagdeesh Chandra Bose demonstrated and many

after him how so called 'lowly' species can communicate and respond to one

another, no matter in how crude a manner or complex.

> > >

> > > Astrology is nothing other than two worlds communicating with one another:

The Macrocosmos and the microcosmos. The outside and the inside.

> > >

> > > Hence I call it a language! How else can communication be possible?

Without a language?? Astrology!

> > >

> > > And like any child, learning a new language, the astrologer must first

read and understand and incorporate what has already been developed, what has

happened or occurred already and learn it a posteriori!

> > >

> > > We learn prose and poetry in english or hindi or tamil or gujrati or

marathi or urdu and then only can we create the same which will be passed on to

those who follow so that they can learn and create more in the future!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> > >

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Dada,

I do not want to defer with your observations on Rahu in Kaliyuga.Rahu became

very powerful as we have seen recently during the franchise of great Indian

democracy.No haste at all assured

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Fri, 6/12/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote:

 

 

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

Re: ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously!

 

Friday, June 12, 2009, 10:01 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Krishnan Dada,

 

You are blessed, of course, to have enjoyed the blessings of such Great Teachers

that have changed the Tides of Jyotish in our times!

 

All that aside, may I gently impose upon you to re-think your position about the

" fraduster " , Sir? :-) Not the Fraudster part because you would not have accused

someone so harshly unless there was justification. I am only requesting you to

link it totally with rahu in 2nd being the indicator!

 

I know of a chart of an individual born on Shivratri with karkata rising and

rahu in 2nd house. He was anything but a fraudster and built an educational

institution that was very much acclaimed. Rahu was of course stabilized by

jupiter from the 10th and many planets right across from where it was located!

 

Never underestimate or hastily judge rahu! Not in kaliyuga, certainly ;-)

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Rohini Dada,

> I would like to be called as hasty as cyber media for umpteen opportunities

always makes issues more divergent and complicated.

> For learning environment, I still prefer that Guru Sishya Parampara by

acceptin a person as your teacher and learn from him through his

writings.discourse or by observations.

> Infact,i was lucky to have the influnece of Shri.K.N.Rao before a systematic

study was made/initiated. Later,Infact those were the days when Rao saheb was

promoting A.M through his writings and analysis.Late Raman when thought of ICAS

and Institutionalisatio n,there were parting of ways and the Bharatiya Vidya

Bhavan has made it's existence for stamping purpose and promote Astrology as a

subject.

> Infact all these eminent personalities have least remeberance of their birth

chart and all of their experiments and learning came through the charts of

others.In 80s Computerised horscopes find lot of bugs till date and we do not

know whether they fitted their programs based on BPHS or Parashara.Now a days

the problems are encountered through software developed through K.P System.

> A person recently brought a horoscope made according to KP and has given it to

me.According to that some body analysed that he will bag big computer project

and make big buck.when in my own way,I found him to be a fraudster and

unreliable.His birth around amvasya days and with Rahu in 2nd from lagna could

only lead his project into total loss and himself facing leagal issues.

> Let's learn through what is understandable and is open for every body to try

and learn some thing out of such innovative approaches

> vrkrishnan

> P.S:need ofcourse to check mercury is not retrograde to make confounding

issues

>

> --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

>

>

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> Re: ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously!

>

> Thursday, June 11, 2009, 7:07 PM

>

>

Krishnan Dada,

>

> Arsa longa vita brevis!

>

> Empty distractions will plague us jyotishis always, like in the past! And

one's own chart is not the best place to test a new toy. And, by that I mean, as

long as we all are learning astrology and not making wild claims of accuracy, it

is best to avoid testing those on one's chart.

>

> Sadly, I have seen this in some very mature and very admirable jyotishis. They

test a new technique or yoga on their chart and then it is either keep or toss!

But maybe they know what they are doing! There is no telling, of course unless

we see the raw data as scientists doing peer-review often say! ;-)

>

> RR

>

> , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Probably good insight tells me to use your software for better purposes as

it will give me better insight than to try on my own chart.For my future to

guaze through my own chart,i would prefer to be Dhritarashtra. People who are

always can help me and guide me.Certainly you are one among them.The service you

provide is always of immense help to the future of Astrologer and would like to

be astudent to strive and learn.probably your repeted censures can wake me up

and learn through your software and become better smartin

> > vrkrishnan

> >

> > --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

> > Re: ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously!

> >

> > Thursday, June 11, 2009, 1:29 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Krishnan Ji,

> >

> > Few astrologers possess the sincerity and courage to say " when ever I tried

to find something in my own chart,i find myself as If my both eyes are not

functional " .

> >

> > Similar problems prompted me to test alternative approaches, and nearly 11

years ago I swithed to the Suryasiddhantic method which relieved me from

Dritharashtra syndrome. But I am surprised some astrologers are too much stuck

to their biases to even test this alternative. I have stopped arguing with those

who are under a vow never to rest this alternative. Mere argumentation leads to

nowhere, astrology is a practical science. There is no dearth of hypocrites

among astrologers who deliberately make wrong statements that their

Dritharashtra- method is foolproof. If so, why evade testing and cpmparing the

Case Studies and yet talk like good Samaritans in the " service " of mankind ?

> >

> > -VJ

> >

> > ============ ========= = ====

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > vattem krishnan <bursar_99 >

> >

> > Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:42:45 AM

> > Re: ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously!

> >

> > Sir,

> > when ever I tried to find something in my own chart,i find myself as If my

both eyes are not functional I felt like Dritharashtra of Maha Barath.

> > Astrology basically when learnt and think we can give some service to

society honestly and sincerely we may attempt to so so.But in anticipation of

time and money factors in return.if we can really guide and helps some body to

over come his won inhibitions and barriers that itself a great satisfaction to

us

> > vrkrishnan

> >

> > --- On Wed, 6/10/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote:

> >

> > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com>

> > Re: ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously!

> >

> > Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 11:21 PM

> >

> > Krishnan ji,

> >

> > In this matter, I am sure, each of us may have individual experiences and we

may come from different zones of biases and so on.

> >

> > Please let me share with you my bias.

> >

> > Jyotish being a service presumably and primarily, there is the natural

requirement to be able to give, to offer, energy must express and flow outwards.

> >

> > Jyotishis must not spend too much time and energy on their own charts and

personal destinies, unless it becomes absolutely necessary and perhaps those are

the moments when Jyotishi must ask someone higher...

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sir,

> > > Finding the learners or seekers of knowledge is very difficult situation

particulalrly in these days every thing is available in googgle search.It is

easy to pick up like a parrot few words here and there and make noise.The kind

of review: " like any child, learning a new language, the astrologer must first

read and understand and incorporate what has already been developed, what has

happened or occurred already and learn it a posteriori! " no body would feel

happy and comfortable with such kind of approach,though necessary.

> > > present genaration as we have seen in the e-media is to learn from

blogs.their reliability, comprehensivenes s and originality are far from

consistency and truth.They may however help for such seekers of knowledge to

promote their own slefish interests and get focussed.

> > > I feel quest and zealousness have to be supported by genuine urge to learn

some thing new and some thing whole heartedly to feel that one gains true

knowledge

> > > vrkrishnan

> > > vrkrishnan

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 6/7/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > > ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously!

> > >

> > > Sunday, June 7, 2009, 11:06 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Despite postings here and there or articles on the web and on paper (YES

--they still exist folks! Magazines on paper smelling of paper and prining inks,

though many on terminal life-support because when was it that you last

d to a magazine, or purchased a jyotish book, now that even scriptures

are available online and ot be had just for the price of internet!), jyotish

fora on internet possess the spontaneity of 'real-time response' that no

magazine (even cyber-ones that arrive for free or a small fee in our mail boxes

-- periodically) can ever match!

> > >

> > > Internet fora are like a town-hall meeting and that is why these remain

attractive. These represent the ultimate in communication that many/most have

desired for decades or perhaps longer!

> > >

> > > Back in the rustic times (60s and 70s) we had learned to wait before we

got an answer. Whether we asked those from the few magazines or fewer experts

that were available or willing to toss a few crumbs astrological in the seeker's

direction! Often the crumbs were exactly that! Not even fit for the birds!

> > >

> > > This irritated me, the sheer arrogance in this kind of arrangement of

DEMAND and supply -- way outproportioned! And exploited too!!

> > >

> > > So when the new reality arrived in the 80s no one was happier than I!

> > >

> > > Yes we fight a lot more now, yes the days back then were " peaceful " but

they were also secretive. Even today, we get glimpses of those puritanical and

archaic mentality but all that shall eventually pass.

> > >

> > > Even today -- a segment of astrologers may choose to hold on to their Rock

of Gibralter -- but it is too late! Communication is the very essence of

creation, as I see it. Ants can work as a society, even the lowly hydra has what

is taught as division of labour and duties, schools of fish know when to travel

together, flocks of birds go from north to south and back to north, year in and

year out! Sure, individuals fall aside and do not conform but all of these are

about signaling and communication! Jagdeesh Chandra Bose demonstrated and many

after him how so called 'lowly' species can communicate and respond to one

another, no matter in how crude a manner or complex.

> > >

> > > Astrology is nothing other than two worlds communicating with one another:

The Macrocosmos and the microcosmos. The outside and the inside.

> > >

> > > Hence I call it a language! How else can communication be possible?

Without a language?? Astrology!

> > >

> > > And like any child, learning a new language, the astrologer must first

read and understand and incorporate what has already been developed, what has

happened or occurred already and learn it a posteriori!

> > >

> > > We learn prose and poetry in english or hindi or tamil or gujrati or

marathi or urdu and then only can we create the same which will be passed on to

those who follow so that they can learn and create more in the future!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Not sure if rahu has become more powerful or whether humanity has begun to pay

closer attention to what rahu represents! I think that can generally be stated

for any planet etc!

 

RR

 

, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dada,

> I do not want to defer with your observations on Rahu in Kaliyuga.Rahu became

very powerful as we have seen recently during the franchise of great Indian

democracy.No haste at all assured

> vrkrishnan

>

> --- On Fri, 6/12/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote:

>

>

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

> Re: ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously!

>

> Friday, June 12, 2009, 10:01 PM

>

>

Krishnan Dada,

>

> You are blessed, of course, to have enjoyed the blessings of such Great

Teachers that have changed the Tides of Jyotish in our times!

>

> All that aside, may I gently impose upon you to re-think your position about

the " fraduster " , Sir? :-) Not the Fraudster part because you would not have

accused someone so harshly unless there was justification. I am only requesting

you to link it totally with rahu in 2nd being the indicator!

>

> I know of a chart of an individual born on Shivratri with karkata rising and

rahu in 2nd house. He was anything but a fraudster and built an educational

institution that was very much acclaimed. Rahu was of course stabilized by

jupiter from the 10th and many planets right across from where it was located!

>

> Never underestimate or hastily judge rahu! Not in kaliyuga, certainly ;-)

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Rohini Dada,

> > I would like to be called as hasty as cyber media for umpteen opportunities

always makes issues more divergent and complicated.

> > For learning environment, I still prefer that Guru Sishya Parampara by

acceptin a person as your teacher and learn from him through his

writings.discourse or by observations.

> > Infact,i was lucky to have the influnece of Shri.K.N.Rao before a systematic

study was made/initiated. Later,Infact those were the days when Rao saheb was

promoting A.M through his writings and analysis.Late Raman when thought of ICAS

and Institutionalisatio n,there were parting of ways and the Bharatiya Vidya

Bhavan has made it's existence for stamping purpose and promote Astrology as a

subject.

> > Infact all these eminent personalities have least remeberance of their birth

chart and all of their experiments and learning came through the charts of

others.In 80s Computerised horscopes find lot of bugs till date and we do not

know whether they fitted their programs based on BPHS or Parashara.Now a days

the problems are encountered through software developed through K.P System.

> > A person recently brought a horoscope made according to KP and has given it

to me.According to that some body analysed that he will bag big computer project

and make big buck.when in my own way,I found him to be a fraudster and

unreliable.His birth around amvasya days and with Rahu in 2nd from lagna could

only lead his project into total loss and himself facing leagal issues.

> > Let's learn through what is understandable and is open for every body to try

and learn some thing out of such innovative approaches

> > vrkrishnan

> > P.S:need ofcourse to check mercury is not retrograde to make confounding

issues

> >

> > --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > Re: ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously!

> >

> > Thursday, June 11, 2009, 7:07 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Krishnan Dada,

> >

> > Arsa longa vita brevis!

> >

> > Empty distractions will plague us jyotishis always, like in the past! And

one's own chart is not the best place to test a new toy. And, by that I mean, as

long as we all are learning astrology and not making wild claims of accuracy, it

is best to avoid testing those on one's chart.

> >

> > Sadly, I have seen this in some very mature and very admirable jyotishis.

They test a new technique or yoga on their chart and then it is either keep or

toss! But maybe they know what they are doing! There is no telling, of course

unless we see the raw data as scientists doing peer-review often say! ;-)

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Probably good insight tells me to use your software for better purposes as

it will give me better insight than to try on my own chart.For my future to

guaze through my own chart,i would prefer to be Dhritarashtra. People who are

always can help me and guide me.Certainly you are one among them.The service you

provide is always of immense help to the future of Astrologer and would like to

be astudent to strive and learn.probably your repeted censures can wake me up

and learn through your software and become better smartin

> > > vrkrishnan

> > >

> > > --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

> > > Re: ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori

obviously!

> > >

> > > Thursday, June 11, 2009, 1:29 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Krishnan Ji,

> > >

> > > Few astrologers possess the sincerity and courage to say " when ever I

tried to find something in my own chart,i find myself as If my both eyes are not

functional " .

> > >

> > > Similar problems prompted me to test alternative approaches, and nearly 11

years ago I swithed to the Suryasiddhantic method which relieved me from

Dritharashtra syndrome. But I am surprised some astrologers are too much stuck

to their biases to even test this alternative. I have stopped arguing with those

who are under a vow never to rest this alternative. Mere argumentation leads to

nowhere, astrology is a practical science. There is no dearth of hypocrites

among astrologers who deliberately make wrong statements that their

Dritharashtra- method is foolproof. If so, why evade testing and cpmparing the

Case Studies and yet talk like good Samaritans in the " service " of mankind ?

> > >

> > > -VJ

> > >

> > > ============ ========= = ====

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99 >

> > >

> > > Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:42:45 AM

> > > Re: ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori

obviously!

> > >

> > > Sir,

> > > when ever I tried to find something in my own chart,i find myself as If my

both eyes are not functional I felt like Dritharashtra of Maha Barath.

> > > Astrology basically when learnt and think we can give some service to

society honestly and sincerely we may attempt to so so.But in anticipation of

time and money factors in return.if we can really guide and helps some body to

over come his won inhibitions and barriers that itself a great satisfaction to

us

> > > vrkrishnan

> > >

> > > --- On Wed, 6/10/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote:

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com>

> > > Re: ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori

obviously!

> > >

> > > Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 11:21 PM

> > >

> > > Krishnan ji,

> > >

> > > In this matter, I am sure, each of us may have individual experiences and

we may come from different zones of biases and so on.

> > >

> > > Please let me share with you my bias.

> > >

> > > Jyotish being a service presumably and primarily, there is the natural

requirement to be able to give, to offer, energy must express and flow outwards.

> > >

> > > Jyotishis must not spend too much time and energy on their own charts and

personal destinies, unless it becomes absolutely necessary and perhaps those are

the moments when Jyotishi must ask someone higher...

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > Finding the learners or seekers of knowledge is very difficult situation

particulalrly in these days every thing is available in googgle search.It is

easy to pick up like a parrot few words here and there and make noise.The kind

of review: " like any child, learning a new language, the astrologer must first

read and understand and incorporate what has already been developed, what has

happened or occurred already and learn it a posteriori! " no body would feel

happy and comfortable with such kind of approach,though necessary.

> > > > present genaration as we have seen in the e-media is to learn from

blogs.their reliability, comprehensivenes s and originality are far from

consistency and truth.They may however help for such seekers of knowledge to

promote their own slefish interests and get focussed.

> > > > I feel quest and zealousness have to be supported by genuine urge to

learn some thing new and some thing whole heartedly to feel that one gains true

knowledge

> > > > vrkrishnan

> > > > vrkrishnan

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sun, 6/7/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > > > ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously!

> > > >

> > > > Sunday, June 7, 2009, 11:06 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Despite postings here and there or articles on the web and on paper (YES

--they still exist folks! Magazines on paper smelling of paper and prining inks,

though many on terminal life-support because when was it that you last

d to a magazine, or purchased a jyotish book, now that even scriptures

are available online and ot be had just for the price of internet!), jyotish

fora on internet possess the spontaneity of 'real-time response' that no

magazine (even cyber-ones that arrive for free or a small fee in our mail boxes

-- periodically) can ever match!

> > > >

> > > > Internet fora are like a town-hall meeting and that is why these remain

attractive. These represent the ultimate in communication that many/most have

desired for decades or perhaps longer!

> > > >

> > > > Back in the rustic times (60s and 70s) we had learned to wait before we

got an answer. Whether we asked those from the few magazines or fewer experts

that were available or willing to toss a few crumbs astrological in the seeker's

direction! Often the crumbs were exactly that! Not even fit for the birds!

> > > >

> > > > This irritated me, the sheer arrogance in this kind of arrangement of

DEMAND and supply -- way outproportioned! And exploited too!!

> > > >

> > > > So when the new reality arrived in the 80s no one was happier than I!

> > > >

> > > > Yes we fight a lot more now, yes the days back then were " peaceful " but

they were also secretive. Even today, we get glimpses of those puritanical and

archaic mentality but all that shall eventually pass.

> > > >

> > > > Even today -- a segment of astrologers may choose to hold on to their

Rock of Gibralter -- but it is too late! Communication is the very essence of

creation, as I see it. Ants can work as a society, even the lowly hydra has what

is taught as division of labour and duties, schools of fish know when to travel

together, flocks of birds go from north to south and back to north, year in and

year out! Sure, individuals fall aside and do not conform but all of these are

about signaling and communication! Jagdeesh Chandra Bose demonstrated and many

after him how so called 'lowly' species can communicate and respond to one

another, no matter in how crude a manner or complex.

> > > >

> > > > Astrology is nothing other than two worlds communicating with one

another: The Macrocosmos and the microcosmos. The outside and the inside.

> > > >

> > > > Hence I call it a language! How else can communication be possible?

Without a language?? Astrology!

> > > >

> > > > And like any child, learning a new language, the astrologer must first

read and understand and incorporate what has already been developed, what has

happened or occurred already and learn it a posteriori!

> > > >

> > > > We learn prose and poetry in english or hindi or tamil or gujrati or

marathi or urdu and then only can we create the same which will be passed on to

those who follow so that they can learn and create more in the future!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

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Daera Dada,

Demonic form Rahu given in word form gave in classic texts and with no waists.no

legs and has no nature of it's own all must be interesting to make noise for

many jyotish and convince problem struck and grief ridden people who are our

stength,give jyotish mnaa.so there is lot in the forum to assume,presume and

pronounce.once it is north node it itakes every one to tangible providing

opportunity for fraud too.when we have other seven planet to characterise total

signs of zodiac,let's us be classic only though word form convertions took after

several'000 years later and made out of memories and based on sruti,a form of

verbal dleivarance.

Insted of countering that some thing of  " between cup and lip like "

situations, rahu in 2nd tends to take away "  walk suddhi " and maligns mind to

enable human beings to play trick to take advantage of gullibles.These half

planets and chaya grahas continues to be a good material for jyotishis when we

find people building institutions and contribute to society benift,we recollect

a old addage that 'some Damad/son in law of a  good family thought of donating

in laws property "

so word versions now available in texts need to be studied and grope into

vastness of jyotish and filter our meaningful things to understand things better

and fulfil the objectives of jyotish and there are always innocents who want us

to get into roots to find why their husbands/wife get into multi marriages and

why they chase others etc and explain issues

vrkrishnan

--- On Sat, 6/13/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote:

 

 

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

Re: ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously!

 

Saturday, June 13, 2009, 3:45 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not sure if rahu has become more powerful or whether humanity has begun to pay

closer attention to what rahu represents! I think that can generally be stated

for any planet etc!

 

RR

 

, vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Dada,

> I do not want to defer with your observations on Rahu in Kaliyuga.Rahu became

very powerful as we have seen recently during the franchise of great Indian

democracy.No haste at all assured

> vrkrishnan

>

> --- On Fri, 6/12/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

>

>

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> Re: ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously!

>

> Friday, June 12, 2009, 10:01 PM

>

>

Krishnan Dada,

>

> You are blessed, of course, to have enjoyed the blessings of such Great

Teachers that have changed the Tides of Jyotish in our times!

>

> All that aside, may I gently impose upon you to re-think your position about

the " fraduster " , Sir? :-) Not the Fraudster part because you would not have

accused someone so harshly unless there was justification. I am only requesting

you to link it totally with rahu in 2nd being the indicator!

>

> I know of a chart of an individual born on Shivratri with karkata rising and

rahu in 2nd house. He was anything but a fraudster and built an educational

institution that was very much acclaimed. Rahu was of course stabilized by

jupiter from the 10th and many planets right across from where it was located!

>

> Never underestimate or hastily judge rahu! Not in kaliyuga, certainly ;-)

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Rohini Dada,

> > I would like to be called as hasty as cyber media for umpteen opportunities

always makes issues more divergent and complicated.

> > For learning environment, I still prefer that Guru Sishya Parampara by

acceptin a person as your teacher and learn from him through his

writings.discourse or by observations.

> > Infact,i was lucky to have the influnece of Shri.K.N.Rao before a systematic

study was made/initiated. Later,Infact those were the days when Rao saheb was

promoting A.M through his writings and analysis.Late Raman when thought of ICAS

and Institutionalisatio n,there were parting of ways and the Bharatiya Vidya

Bhavan has made it's existence for stamping purpose and promote Astrology as a

subject.

> > Infact all these eminent personalities have least remeberance of their birth

chart and all of their experiments and learning came through the charts of

others.In 80s Computerised horscopes find lot of bugs till date and we do not

know whether they fitted their programs based on BPHS or Parashara.Now a days

the problems are encountered through software developed through K.P System.

> > A person recently brought a horoscope made according to KP and has given it

to me.According to that some body analysed that he will bag big computer project

and make big buck.when in my own way,I found him to be a fraudster and

unreliable.His birth around amvasya days and with Rahu in 2nd from lagna could

only lead his project into total loss and himself facing leagal issues.

> > Let's learn through what is understandable and is open for every body to try

and learn some thing out of such innovative approaches

> > vrkrishnan

> > P.S:need ofcourse to check mercury is not retrograde to make confounding

issues

> >

> > --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > Re: ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously!

> >

> > Thursday, June 11, 2009, 7:07 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Krishnan Dada,

> >

> > Arsa longa vita brevis!

> >

> > Empty distractions will plague us jyotishis always, like in the past! And

one's own chart is not the best place to test a new toy. And, by that I mean, as

long as we all are learning astrology and not making wild claims of accuracy, it

is best to avoid testing those on one's chart.

> >

> > Sadly, I have seen this in some very mature and very admirable jyotishis.

They test a new technique or yoga on their chart and then it is either keep or

toss! But maybe they know what they are doing! There is no telling, of course

unless we see the raw data as scientists doing peer-review often say! ;-)

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Probably good insight tells me to use your software for better purposes as

it will give me better insight than to try on my own chart.For my future to

guaze through my own chart,i would prefer to be Dhritarashtra. People who are

always can help me and guide me.Certainly you are one among them.The service you

provide is always of immense help to the future of Astrologer and would like to

be astudent to strive and learn.probably your repeted censures can wake me up

and learn through your software and become better smartin

> > > vrkrishnan

> > >

> > > --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

> > > Re: ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori

obviously!

> > >

> > > Thursday, June 11, 2009, 1:29 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Krishnan Ji,

> > >

> > > Few astrologers possess the sincerity and courage to say " when ever I

tried to find something in my own chart,i find myself as If my both eyes are not

functional " .

> > >

> > > Similar problems prompted me to test alternative approaches, and nearly 11

years ago I swithed to the Suryasiddhantic method which relieved me from

Dritharashtra syndrome. But I am surprised some astrologers are too much stuck

to their biases to even test this alternative. I have stopped arguing with those

who are under a vow never to rest this alternative. Mere argumentation leads to

nowhere, astrology is a practical science. There is no dearth of hypocrites

among astrologers who deliberately make wrong statements that their

Dritharashtra- method is foolproof. If so, why evade testing and cpmparing the

Case Studies and yet talk like good Samaritans in the " service " of mankind ?

> > >

> > > -VJ

> > >

> > > ============ ========= = ====

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99 >

> > >

> > > Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:42:45 AM

> > > Re: ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori

obviously!

> > >

> > > Sir,

> > > when ever I tried to find something in my own chart,i find myself as If my

both eyes are not functional I felt like Dritharashtra of Maha Barath.

> > > Astrology basically when learnt and think we can give some service to

society honestly and sincerely we may attempt to so so.But in anticipation of

time and money factors in return.if we can really guide and helps some body to

over come his won inhibitions and barriers that itself a great satisfaction to

us

> > > vrkrishnan

> > >

> > > --- On Wed, 6/10/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote:

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com>

> > > Re: ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori

obviously!

> > >

> > > Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 11:21 PM

> > >

> > > Krishnan ji,

> > >

> > > In this matter, I am sure, each of us may have individual experiences and

we may come from different zones of biases and so on.

> > >

> > > Please let me share with you my bias.

> > >

> > > Jyotish being a service presumably and primarily, there is the natural

requirement to be able to give, to offer, energy must express and flow outwards.

> > >

> > > Jyotishis must not spend too much time and energy on their own charts and

personal destinies, unless it becomes absolutely necessary and perhaps those are

the moments when Jyotishi must ask someone higher...

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > Finding the learners or seekers of knowledge is very difficult situation

particulalrly in these days every thing is available in googgle search.It is

easy to pick up like a parrot few words here and there and make noise.The kind

of review: " like any child, learning a new language, the astrologer must first

read and understand and incorporate what has already been developed, what has

happened or occurred already and learn it a posteriori! " no body would feel

happy and comfortable with such kind of approach,though necessary.

> > > > present genaration as we have seen in the e-media is to learn from

blogs.their reliability, comprehensivenes s and originality are far from

consistency and truth.They may however help for such seekers of knowledge to

promote their own slefish interests and get focussed.

> > > > I feel quest and zealousness have to be supported by genuine urge to

learn some thing new and some thing whole heartedly to feel that one gains true

knowledge

> > > > vrkrishnan

> > > > vrkrishnan

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sun, 6/7/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > > > ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously!

> > > >

> > > > Sunday, June 7, 2009, 11:06 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Despite postings here and there or articles on the web and on paper (YES

--they still exist folks! Magazines on paper smelling of paper and prining inks,

though many on terminal life-support because when was it that you last

d to a magazine, or purchased a jyotish book, now that even scriptures

are available online and ot be had just for the price of internet!), jyotish

fora on internet possess the spontaneity of 'real-time response' that no

magazine (even cyber-ones that arrive for free or a small fee in our mail boxes

-- periodically) can ever match!

> > > >

> > > > Internet fora are like a town-hall meeting and that is why these remain

attractive. These represent the ultimate in communication that many/most have

desired for decades or perhaps longer!

> > > >

> > > > Back in the rustic times (60s and 70s) we had learned to wait before we

got an answer. Whether we asked those from the few magazines or fewer experts

that were available or willing to toss a few crumbs astrological in the seeker's

direction! Often the crumbs were exactly that! Not even fit for the birds!

> > > >

> > > > This irritated me, the sheer arrogance in this kind of arrangement of

DEMAND and supply -- way outproportioned! And exploited too!!

> > > >

> > > > So when the new reality arrived in the 80s no one was happier than I!

> > > >

> > > > Yes we fight a lot more now, yes the days back then were " peaceful " but

they were also secretive. Even today, we get glimpses of those puritanical and

archaic mentality but all that shall eventually pass.

> > > >

> > > > Even today -- a segment of astrologers may choose to hold on to their

Rock of Gibralter -- but it is too late! Communication is the very essence of

creation, as I see it. Ants can work as a society, even the lowly hydra has what

is taught as division of labour and duties, schools of fish know when to travel

together, flocks of birds go from north to south and back to north, year in and

year out! Sure, individuals fall aside and do not conform but all of these are

about signaling and communication! Jagdeesh Chandra Bose demonstrated and many

after him how so called 'lowly' species can communicate and respond to one

another, no matter in how crude a manner or complex.

> > > >

> > > > Astrology is nothing other than two worlds communicating with one

another: The Macrocosmos and the microcosmos. The outside and the inside.

> > > >

> > > > Hence I call it a language! How else can communication be possible?

Without a language?? Astrology!

> > > >

> > > > And like any child, learning a new language, the astrologer must first

read and understand and incorporate what has already been developed, what has

happened or occurred already and learn it a posteriori!

> > > >

> > > > We learn prose and poetry in english or hindi or tamil or gujrati or

marathi or urdu and then only can we create the same which will be passed on to

those who follow so that they can learn and create more in the future!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

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