Guest guest Posted September 29, 1999 Report Share Posted September 29, 1999 JAYA JAGANNATHDear Jyotisha, The Brilliance of Narasimha is again showing. I am really proud of him. Please read the following question very carefully in continuation to my earlier meassage on the Karaka's which is reproduced below the question. Those not aware of the periods mentioned herein can request Narasimha for a tutorial. I am giving seven days to everybody to come up with an answer. Right or wrong is not important. Do attempt. HINT: Think deeply about why we worship Shiva ? What do they give us? Hare KrishnaSanjay Rath NARASIMHA'S QUESTION: Q: I have a question. Sthira rasis (Shiva) have 8 years, chara rasis (Brahma) have 7 years anddwiswabhava rasis (Vishnu) have 9 years. You were earlier talking abouta correlation between this and the three types of karakas. However sthira karakas (which you said are related to sthirarasis/Shiva) are 7 in number, while sthira rasis have 8 (not 7) years.The figure "7 years" belongs to chara rasis, not sthira rasis. So what exactly did you mean by the link? Your grateful sishya,Narasimha MY EARLIER MAIL ON KARAKA STHIRA KARAKA There are seven sthira karaka as these Karaka are fixed and do not change at all. They are used for timing the death of self and near and dear ones. Hence the term Sthira is also akin to Death which comes when the Prana's become sthira. Since this is related to the end of the PHYSICAL BODY, only those planets which have physical bodies can be considered. hence ONLY seven planets from Sun to Saturn are considered and Rahu & Ketu are left out. CHARA KARAKA The birth of any being is due to the good or evil we have done in the past birth. Since we have not got Moksha is automatically implied in the fact that we sinners have taken birth. The only difference is in the quantum and the quality of the Sin (Paapa). This is also seen from the Kalachakra where only eight planets from the Sun to Rahu are used leaving out the Mokshakaraka Ketu. This is the fundamental basis of the Hindu religion as the eight Charakaraka are akin to the eight planets in the Kalachakra. The tithi's of the Vedic Month are also based on this eightfold division with the Sun ruling Pratipada & Navami (1 & 9), Moon Dwiteeya and Dasami (2 & 10), Mars Triteeya & ekadasi (3 & 11), and so on. Thus it is evident that the Charakaraka represent the cause of our births and are responsible for our punishment and spiritual growth. The Atmakaraka punishes the native and cleanses him and so on. Thus, there can be ONLY eight Chara Karaka. As regards the deities, the Vahana of the deities are in the seventh from the planets indicating them. Mahavishnu has been kept out of this Kalachakra as He is the only deity who LOVES one and all and transcends this Natural Law of rebirth while the other deities are involved in it. For example, Venus rules the tithi 6 (Snake) & 14 (Bull) and Shiva as Nageswara is worshipped on Shasti (6) and as Sambashiva riding a bull on Chaturdasi (14). Since the Sun is opposite to the Venus, the Sun represents Shiva. Similarly, Moon and Jupiter oppose eachother and Jupiter rules the tithi Panchami and the deity of the Moon is Devi or Shakti and on Panchami we celebrate Saraswati Pooja. In this manner, the deities and the days in which they were worshipped are determined astrologically. NAISARGIKA KARAKA The naisargika Karaka are the natural significators and are used in Phalita Jyotisha. Hence all the nine are used. They represent all creatures and bodies by the interactions of the signs, their divisions and the nine planets. Since they are a part and parcel of the creation of Brahma, they are also analogous to the Movable signs. CORRELATION I leave this correlation to your understanding for now. However, you will recall that I had spoken about Brahma and the Chakra in the sixth house. Now correlate this to the peculiar method of calculating Brahma Dasa from the sixth lord from the Dasa Rasi. In this manner, there must also be OTHER SECRET DASA IN THE REMAINING ADHYAYA OF JAIMINI WHERE THE BLESSINGS OF THE OTHER DEITIES ARE SEEN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 1999 Report Share Posted September 30, 1999 Dear Gurudev, Please accept my respectrul obeisances. Jaya Jagananth! Here is my attempt: Sthira rasis (Shiva) have 8 years, chara rasis (Brahma) have 7 years anddwiswabhava rasis (Vishnu) have 9 years. You were earlier talking abouta correlation between this and the three types of karakas. However sthira karakas (which you said are related to sthirarasis/Shiva) are 7 in number, while sthira rasis have 8 (not 7) years.The figure " 7 years " belongs to chara rasis, not sthira rasis. So what exactly did you mean by the link? Brahma belongs to jiva-tattva, Siva - to siva-tattva which is intermediate between Brahma and Visnu, and Visnu - to visnu-tattva which is supreme. So Lord Visnu is the most powerful to give 9 years in sthira-dasas, Lord Siva is the next powerful to give 8 years, and Lord Brahma gives 7 years. To put it in another way Lord Visnu is the most merciful - to give 9 dasas for ayus etc. Lord Siva is the next. But he is also called Ashutosh - one who is very easily pleased. And Lord Brahma is the next. This was nicely shown in the story with Bhrigu Muni who tested all three of them as per who posesses the quality of goodness to the biggest extent. your sisya Yasomatinandana das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 1999 Report Share Posted October 1, 1999 JAYA JAGANNATHDear Yaso, Brilliant!! You have come up with a truly spiritual insight. Yes you are correct. However, we need a Jyotish level answer as well and follow the discussions I am having with Narasimha and if possible, do contribute the relevant Jyotish elements. Hare KrishnaSanjay Rath - YND varahamihira Thursday, September 30, 1999 7:39 PM Re: Karakas Dear Gurudev, Please accept my respectrul obeisances. Jaya Jagananth! Here is my attempt: Sthira rasis (Shiva) have 8 years, chara rasis (Brahma) have 7 years anddwiswabhava rasis (Vishnu) have 9 years. You were earlier talking abouta correlation between this and the three types of karakas. However sthira karakas (which you said are related to sthirarasis/Shiva) are 7 in number, while sthira rasis have 8 (not 7) years.The figure "7 years" belongs to chara rasis, not sthira rasis. So what exactly did you mean by the link? Brahma belongs to jiva-tattva, Siva - to siva-tattva which is intermediate between Brahma and Visnu, and Visnu - to visnu-tattva which is supreme. So Lord Visnu is the most powerful to give 9 years in sthira-dasas, Lord Siva is the next powerful to give 8 years, and Lord Brahma gives 7 years. To put it in another way Lord Visnu is the most merciful - to give 9 dasas for ayus etc. Lord Siva is the next. But he is also called Ashutosh - one who is very easily pleased. And Lord Brahma is the next. This was nicely shown in the story with Bhrigu Muni who tested all three of them as per who posesses the quality of goodness to the biggest extent. your sisya Yasomatinandana das Click Here! OM TAT SATJaya Jagannatha Mahaprabhu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 Dear Vic, //I've run accross the interesting concept that the planet progressed the farthest through the Zodiac is the atma-karaka (indicator of the soul), and the planet next in line is the amatya-karaka (indicator of the mind), etc. etc. with guru, mother, father, children, relatives and spouse.// These are the Jaimini 'Chara Karaka' used in conjunction with Jaimini dasa system. I know it can be confusing as much of Jaimini text has been included in BPHS. The following page/s should help clear this up for you: http://jyotishvidya.com/preface.htm; http://www.wandahl.com/Pages/JaiminiBasics.htm WE need to understand that there is a world of difference between the two (Parasara and Jaimini) methods. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Vic D " <vicdicara " Jyotish Vidya " <jyotish-vidya > Saturday, June 07, 2008 12:12 AM Karakas Dear Group Members, I've run accross the interesting concept that the planet progressed the farthest through the Zodiac is the atma-karaka (indicator of the soul), and the planet next in line is the amatya-karaka (indicator of the mind), etc. etc. with guru, mother, father, children, relatives and spouse. What is the root of this idea? Is it from Parashara or is it not part of his system? Am I to understand that planets have intrinsic ( " Naisargic " ) significations, and also temporary significations - much like they have intrinsic and temporary friendships creating a compound relationship? Thus if the Sun is the last planet in terms of degrees through the sky it would intrinsically be atma karaka but temporarily be like venus darakaraka (spouse-indicator)??? Looking for your thoughts on this concept. Thank you, Vic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2008 Report Share Posted June 7, 2008 Apologies: The ; seems to have been included in the following URL. I've removed it and it should work now. http://jyotishvidya.com/preface.htm ____ Dear Vic, //I've run accross the interesting concept that the planet progressed the farthest through the Zodiac is the atma-karaka (indicator of the soul), and the planet next in line is the amatya-karaka (indicator of the mind), etc. etc. with guru, mother, father, children, relatives and spouse.// These are the Jaimini 'Chara Karaka' used in conjunction with Jaimini dasa system. I know it can be confusing as much of Jaimini text has been included in BPHS. The following page/s should help clear this up for you: http://jyotishvidya.com/preface.htm; http://www.wandahl.com/Pages/JaiminiBasics.htm WE need to understand that there is a world of difference between the two (Parasara and Jaimini) methods. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 BPHS has good information and pointers on the ishta-kashta and balas etc. As to Karakattwa for which I used the term Executor (not Executioner!), as in executor of a will -- the three sets C,N,S (charadi) are all persons in our lives that we run into. WHY? I think that is very significant! Best regards, Rohiniranjan , " rakeshmohan888 " <rakeshmohan888 wrote: > > Dear Rohinirajan ji, > Thanks for your reply. I tried to use word truth just to assert my belief strongly but I do agree it's very relative and may be subjected to vagueness in meaning because it's not complete. > > I was able to comprehend what I read on the internet about Ishta phala and Kashta phala that it measures the benefic and malefic strength of planets in the horoscope. But I learnt somethng new from you a new meaning of Ishta phala and kashta phala. > > " > Planets that are strong in bala indicate that the Search is over or almost over! > > > > Planets that are weak are the ones that indicate what the search must focus on and continue in this lifetime! " > > The way I defined the existence of karakattwas as... > > Planet is just a material body in the sky and due to it's rotation around sun releases energy. The way the energy transcends in the solar system has a specific wave length and frequency. The things that resonate in that wave length and frequency harmoniously become karakattwas of that planet. > > When I say saturn represents time then one may argue that if saturn wasn't there in the solar system then we wouldn't have time at all. But the point is that saturn represents time and not time by itself. > > The astrology can be explained by an example - it's the study of the blue print of bomb and reveals what triggers to explode which are laid down in the astrology principles. But how it will explode is left to the interpretation of mind which will fluctuate due to rahu and ketu axis (hidden internal code only god knows!). > > Regards, > Rakesh > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > Dear Rakeshmohan ji, > > > > What a beautiful message! I may not agree with what you wrote fully, for instance the way you connected Ishta/Kashta phala with Shadbala (even thought they have a nice " clang association " as it has been called by some!), but nit-picking aside, there is some good stuff in your posting for beginners to hone in on, and dissect and so on, and hopefully digest. > > > > Without going into the specific 'karakattwas' that you have given which some may argue about and some of which disagree with what many accept, rightly or wrongly, may I drop a hint that you may pick or drop! > > > > Planets that are strong in bala indicate that the Search is over or almost over! > > > > Planets that are weak are the ones that indicate what the search must focus on and continue in this lifetime! > > > > Of course, it is important to next figure out what the planets actually represent! That is where the Black and White of Jyotish fades into the nebulous grey! Karakattwa? Which one?? Rulership??? The hints given by Parashara towards the end of his discourse with Maitreya???? > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rakeshmohan888 " <rakeshmohan888@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > Today when I was contemplating can astrology is as simple as possible rather going through pujas, gems etc etc.. it occured to me that simple changes in ones own relationships can do wonders. > > > > > > The following are the planets what they represent and what relations are key. > > > > > > 1. Sun - aspirations - Teacher > > > 2. Moon - mind - mother > > > 3. Mercury - intelligence - children > > > 4. Venus - accumulate - spouse > > > 5. Mars - courage - friends > > > 6. Jupiter - hopes - father > > > 7. Saturn - time - servant. > > > > > > Using shadbala analysis on birth chart one can find the ratio of ishta phala and kashta phala; if the ishta phala is more than kashta pala there is nothing to worry about because you have the strength to carry by yourself. If kashta phala is more than ishta phala then the relations can make the difference as they have the missing strength to give you. > > > > > > Say if sun is weak then your teacher can give you aspirations and goals. Often the teacher's words bring new meaning to life. > > > > > > Say if moon is weak then one's mother can support one's emotions and which will translate into positive sentiment. > > > > > > Say if mercury is weak then one's children can stimulate the mercury energy with their questions and playfullness. > > > > > > Say if Venus is weak then one's wife can help to accumulate things in life which one has missed or lost. > > > > > > Say if mars is weak then one's freinds can give courage to face the difficulties in life. > > > > > > Say if Jupiter is weak then one's father can give optimism which will do wonders for real as everything will start happening as they want. > > > > > > Say if saturn is weak then one's servant can support him to speed up the things. Often saturn is looked as contraction and jupiter as growth but the truth is that jupiter controls both expansion and contraction based the Ishta phala strength is good or bad respectively. Saturn rules time and if one's saturn is time there there prolonged delays for things to happen causing grief and frustration. But if saturn is strong one can shine in no time. > > > > > > Adding to the discussion I want add my understanding behind the use of gems, mantras, pujas, charity, homams, > > > > > > If one's sun is stronger than other planetary bodies one can do homams to please gods and can help to strengthen other planetary deficient strengths. > > > > > > If one's moon is stronger than other planetary bodies then listening to good music or bhajans and mantras can help to strengthen other planetary deficient strengths. > > > > > > If one's mercury is stronger than other planetary bodies then reciting mantras can help to strengthen other planetary deficient strengths. > > > > > > If one's mars is stronger than other planetary bodies then using gems can help to strengthen other planetary deficient strengths. Mars is tamasic or materialistic in nature and if one's mars is strong using gems will radiate the energies of deficient planetary strengths. > > > > > > If one's saturn is stronger than other planetary bodies then doing charities and spending time for the deficient planetary planets like say if sun is weak then charity to government or political parties will help one's sun energy; if jupiter is weak doing charities to eductational institutions will help one's jupiter energy; if moon is weak doing charities to mental institutions will help one's moon energy; if venus is weak doing charties to art galleries will help one's venus energy; > > > > > > If one's jupiter is stronger than other planetary bodies then doing religious activities will strengthen other planetary energies. > > > > > > If one's mars is stronger then giving protection to the relationships will strengthen other planets. > > > > > > I know this article I published is controversial and strong resentment may be shown but I feel this is the truth to my conscious. In my chart mercury is exalted and I trust my conscious 100% > > > > > > Please share your thoughts. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Rakesh Mohan > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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