Guest guest Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 I have noticed that every time Mercury retrogrades, I get physically sick. The illness last as long as the retrograde. Another negative side effect is that I have little motivation to do my sadana. I do not feel God's presence in my life. I also have a strong desire to eat tamasic foods. The normal stuff that usually happens during the Mercury retrogrades, like my car breaking down, always happen to me. I was wondering if you can tell me why Mercury is malefic with me during the retrograde. And also, how can I remedy this situation. I know some people go through a hard time during the retrograde, but I go through an extremely hard time. I want this to end. My Date of Birth is 12-23-1970 Born in Livingston, New Jersey, USA At 3:44 PM Namaste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Dear 'Mountains!', How sad! You will perhaps get a better and informative answer if you were to give one or two examples of the times when you were really suffering and incapacitated by this normal activity of mercury. Also, please share with us if you have generally been following the western astrology scene or Jyotish? I hope you get the answer that you seek, hopefully sincerely! RR , " mountains22 " <mountains22 wrote: > > I have noticed that every time Mercury retrogrades, I get physically sick. The illness last as long as the retrograde. Another negative side effect is that I have little motivation to do my sadana. I do not feel God's presence in my life. I also have a strong desire to eat tamasic foods. The normal stuff that usually happens during the Mercury retrogrades, like my car breaking down, always happen to me. > > I was wondering if you can tell me why Mercury is malefic with me during the retrograde. And also, how can I remedy this situation. I know some people go through a hard time during the retrograde, but I go through an extremely hard time. I want this to end. > My Date of Birth is 12-23-1970 > Born in Livingston, New Jersey, USA > At 3:44 PM > > Namaste > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Dear Mountains Lordship of mercury of second house with mercury aspecting its own house, also debilated sani & surya aspecting 2nd house, association of mercury with 2nd house makes a native eat whatever they comes across, with debilated sani also aspecting its maha dasha on, tamsic food preference cannot be ignored. Sani is a brahmin but when debilated it gives a desire to hv tamsic food. Surya loves any kind of food but in a royal way, even tamsic food is taken, one prefers to go by one's own taste & preference. It is not retrograde mercury which makes u sick, sani MD currently & in transit sani aspecting ur lagna will make u sick, AD of surya also on & surya in ur 8th house in ur janma kundali does makes u feel sick. Debilated sani gives 2nd hand vehicles which is also the karak for cars, sani has no power, association of rahu & ketu with ur 4th house, certainly frequent car break downs are built in ur chart. HARESH(HARRY)NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 http://in./search?query=chandra-adityaastroremedies Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstroRemedies To Subscribe http://in.Chandra-AdityaAstroRemedies For Professional Paid Consultancy send your mail/request for charges to haresh1405/hareshgnathani or call +91 9867214103 ________________________________ mountains22 <mountains22 Thursday, 11 June, 2009 7:40:46 AM Mercury Retrograde I have noticed that every time Mercury retrogrades, I get physically sick. The illness last as long as the retrograde. Another negative side effect is that I have little motivation to do my sadana. I do not feel God's presence in my life. I also have a strong desire to eat tamasic foods. The normal stuff that usually happens during the Mercury retrogrades, like my car breaking down, always happen to me. I was wondering if you can tell me why Mercury is malefic with me during the retrograde. And also, how can I remedy this situation. I know some people go through a hard time during the retrograde, but I go through an extremely hard time. I want this to end. My Date of Birth is 12-23-1970 Born in Livingston, New Jersey, USA At 3:44 PM Namaste From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to http://in.promos./groups/citygroups/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Dear 'Mountains!' , The matter is simple. Mercury is retrograde and sitting in 8th house of Death in your birthchart. Hence, whenever it becomes retrograde, it gives its normal result of birthchart, and when it is not retrograde this malefic result is subdued. In D30 too, Mercury is malefic whether you follow Suryasiddhanta (in enemy Saturn's house which sits in 8th, combust, lord of malefic houses 8 and 11 and conjunct with nodes of Moon) or physical astronomy (Mercury in 8th). Propitiate Mercury. -Vinay Jha. =========================== ==== ________________________________ Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Thursday, June 11, 2009 8:26:17 AM Re: Mercury Retrograde Dear 'Mountains!' , How sad! You will perhaps get a better and informative answer if you were to give one or two examples of the times when you were really suffering and incapacitated by this normal activity of mercury. Also, please share with us if you have generally been following the western astrology scene or Jyotish? I hope you get the answer that you seek, hopefully sincerely! RR , " mountains22 " <mountains22@ ...> wrote: > > I have noticed that every time Mercury retrogrades, I get physically sick. The illness last as long as the retrograde. Another negative side effect is that I have little motivation to do my sadana. I do not feel God's presence in my life. I also have a strong desire to eat tamasic foods. The normal stuff that usually happens during the Mercury retrogrades, like my car breaking down, always happen to me. > > I was wondering if you can tell me why Mercury is malefic with me during the retrograde. And also, how can I remedy this situation. I know some people go through a hard time during the retrograde, but I go through an extremely hard time. I want this to end. > My Date of Birth is 12-23-1970 > Born in Livingston, New Jersey, USA > At 3:44 PM > > Namaste > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Hi Harry, Sani is brahmin? I heard Sani is Shudra. regards, venu --- On Thu, 11/6/09, Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405 wrote: Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405 Re: Mercury Retrograde Thursday, 11 June, 2009, 10:33 AM Dear Mountains Lordship of mercury of second house with mercury aspecting its own house, also debilated sani & surya aspecting 2nd house, association of mercury with 2nd house makes a native eat whatever they comes across, with debilated sani also aspecting its maha dasha on, tamsic food preference cannot be ignored. Sani is a brahmin but when debilated it gives a desire to hv tamsic food. Surya loves any kind of food but in a royal way, even tamsic food is taken, one prefers to go by one's own taste & preference. It is not retrograde mercury which makes u sick, sani MD currently & in transit sani aspecting ur lagna will make u sick, AD of surya also on & surya in ur 8th house in ur janma kundali does makes u feel sick. Debilated sani gives 2nd hand vehicles which is also the karak for cars, sani has no power, association of rahu & ketu with ur 4th house, certainly frequent car break downs are built in ur chart. HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 http://in.groups. / search?query= chandra-adityaas troremedies Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ . co.in To Subscribe http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies For Professional Paid Consultancy send your mail/request for charges to haresh1405 /hareshgnathani@ or call +91 9867214103 ____________ _________ _________ __ mountains22 <mountains22@ > Thursday, 11 June, 2009 7:40:46 AM Mercury Retrograde I have noticed that every time Mercury retrogrades, I get physically sick. The illness last as long as the retrograde. Another negative side effect is that I have little motivation to do my sadana. I do not feel God's presence in my life. I also have a strong desire to eat tamasic foods. The normal stuff that usually happens during the Mercury retrogrades, like my car breaking down, always happen to me. I was wondering if you can tell me why Mercury is malefic with me during the retrograde. And also, how can I remedy this situation. I know some people go through a hard time during the retrograde, but I go through an extremely hard time. I want this to end. My Date of Birth is 12-23-1970 Born in Livingston, New Jersey, USA At 3:44 PM Namaste From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to http://in.promos. / groups/citygroup s/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 It might be a typing mistake I hope. , venu dhulipala <dhulipala_venu wrote: > > Hi Harry, > > Sani is brahmin? I heard Sani is Shudra. > > regards, > venu > > --- On Thu, 11/6/09, Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405 wrote: > > > Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405 > Re: Mercury Retrograde > > Thursday, 11 June, 2009, 10:33 AM > > Dear Mountains > > Lordship of mercury of second house with mercury aspecting its own house, also debilated sani & surya aspecting 2nd house, association of mercury with 2nd house makes a native eat whatever they comes across, with debilated sani also aspecting its maha dasha on, tamsic food preference cannot be ignored. Sani is a brahmin but when debilated it gives a desire to hv tamsic food. Surya loves any kind of food but in a royal way, even tamsic food is taken, one prefers to go by one's own taste & preference. > > It is not retrograde mercury which makes u sick, sani MD currently & in transit sani aspecting ur lagna will make u sick, AD of surya also on & surya in ur 8th house in ur janma kundali does makes u feel sick. > > Debilated sani gives 2nd hand vehicles which is also the karak for cars, sani has no power, association of rahu & ketu with ur 4th house, certainly frequent car break downs are built in ur chart. > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > http://in.groups. / search?query= chandra-adityaas troremedies > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ . co.in > To Subscribe > http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > For Professional Paid Consultancy send your mail/request for charges to > haresh1405 /hareshgnathani@ or call +91 9867214103 > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > mountains22 <mountains22@ > > > Thursday, 11 June, 2009 7:40:46 AM > Mercury Retrograde > > I have noticed that every time Mercury retrogrades, I get physically sick. The illness last as long as the retrograde. Another negative side effect is that I have little motivation to do my sadana. I do not feel God's presence in my life. I also have a strong desire to eat tamasic foods. The normal stuff that usually happens during the Mercury retrogrades, like my car breaking down, always happen to me. > > I was wondering if you can tell me why Mercury is malefic with me during the retrograde. And also, how can I remedy this situation. I know some people go through a hard time during the retrograde, but I go through an extremely hard time. I want this to end. > My Date of Birth is 12-23-1970 > Born in Livingston, New Jersey, USA > At 3:44 PM > > Namaste > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to http://in.promos. / groups/citygroup s/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Dear Venu Sani is given the category of sudra which signifies that they are the working class, but it does not means that they are not brahmins. Lord Kurma Devta represents sani in the Vaisnava Sampradhaya, Was Lord Kurma a Sudra??? He was Vishnu Avtar who was instrumental when the churning of Samundra Manthaan happened. When Sani is exalted & powerful in any chart, it makes native very good brahmin. HARESH(HARRY)NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 http://in./search?query=chandra-adityaastroremedies Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstroRemedies To Subscribe http://in.Chandra-AdityaAstroRemedies For Professional Paid Consultancy send your mail/request for charges to haresh1405/hareshgnathani or call +91 9867214103 ________________________________ venu dhulipala <dhulipala_venu Thursday, 11 June, 2009 12:58:12 PM Re: Mercury Retrograde Hi Harry, Sani is brahmin? I heard Sani is Shudra. regards, venu --- On Thu, 11/6/09, Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405 > wrote: Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405 > Re: Mercury Retrograde Thursday, 11 June, 2009, 10:33 AM Dear Mountains Lordship of mercury of second house with mercury aspecting its own house, also debilated sani & surya aspecting 2nd house, association of mercury with 2nd house makes a native eat whatever they comes across, with debilated sani also aspecting its maha dasha on, tamsic food preference cannot be ignored. Sani is a brahmin but when debilated it gives a desire to hv tamsic food. Surya loves any kind of food but in a royal way, even tamsic food is taken, one prefers to go by one's own taste & preference. It is not retrograde mercury which makes u sick, sani MD currently & in transit sani aspecting ur lagna will make u sick, AD of surya also on & surya in ur 8th house in ur janma kundali does makes u feel sick. Debilated sani gives 2nd hand vehicles which is also the karak for cars, sani has no power, association of rahu & ketu with ur 4th house, certainly frequent car break downs are built in ur chart. HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 http://in.groups. / search?query= chandra-adityaas troremedies Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ . co..in To Subscribe http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies For Professional Paid Consultancy send your mail/request for charges to haresh1405 /hareshgnathani@ ..com or call +91 9867214103 ____________ _________ _________ __ mountains22 <mountains22@ > Thursday, 11 June, 2009 7:40:46 AM Mercury Retrograde I have noticed that every time Mercury retrogrades, I get physically sick. The illness last as long as the retrograde. Another negative side effect is that I have little motivation to do my sadana. I do not feel God's presence in my life. I also have a strong desire to eat tamasic foods.. The normal stuff that usually happens during the Mercury retrogrades, like my car breaking down, always happen to me. I was wondering if you can tell me why Mercury is malefic with me during the retrograde. And also, how can I remedy this situation. I know some people go through a hard time during the retrograde, but I go through an extremely hard time. I want this to end. My Date of Birth is 12-23-1970 Born in Livingston, New Jersey, USA At 3:44 PM Namaste From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to http://in.promos. / groups/citygroup s/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Dear Montains ! You have noticed the retrogression of Mercury with your health correctly, because Mercury is lord of 2nd house and therefore the main killer, and residing in the house of death. After the period of Saturn ends and Mercury starts after ~6 years, you will be in serious health and financial troubles. Lord of 9th house Saturn is debilitated in 12th, it gives a Vipareet Rajayoga, but you will have to nmake extra efforts to increase spirituality in your life, try Yoga (praanaayaama and meditation, which are ineffective with taamasika food). You have many planets in bad houses. Only you can propitiate them. -VJ ======================== === ________________________________ mountains22 <mountains22 Thursday, June 11, 2009 7:40:46 AM Mercury Retrograde I have noticed that every time Mercury retrogrades, I get physically sick. The illness last as long as the retrograde. Another negative side effect is that I have little motivation to do my sadana. I do not feel God's presence in my life. I also have a strong desire to eat tamasic foods. The normal stuff that usually happens during the Mercury retrogrades, like my car breaking down, always happen to me. I was wondering if you can tell me why Mercury is malefic with me during the retrograde. And also, how can I remedy this situation. I know some people go through a hard time during the retrograde, but I go through an extremely hard time. I want this to end. My Date of Birth is 12-23-1970 Born in Livingston, New Jersey, USA At 3:44 PM Namaste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 ???? ________________________________ venu dhulipala <dhulipala_venu Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:58:12 PM Re: Mercury Retrograde Hi Harry, Sani is brahmin? I heard Sani is Shudra. regards, venu --- On Thu, 11/6/09, Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405 > wrote: Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405 > Re: Mercury Retrograde Thursday, 11 June, 2009, 10:33 AM Dear Mountains Lordship of mercury of second house with mercury aspecting its own house, also debilated sani & surya aspecting 2nd house, association of mercury with 2nd house makes a native eat whatever they comes across, with debilated sani also aspecting its maha dasha on, tamsic food preference cannot be ignored. Sani is a brahmin but when debilated it gives a desire to hv tamsic food. Surya loves any kind of food but in a royal way, even tamsic food is taken, one prefers to go by one's own taste & preference. It is not retrograde mercury which makes u sick, sani MD currently & in transit sani aspecting ur lagna will make u sick, AD of surya also on & surya in ur 8th house in ur janma kundali does makes u feel sick. Debilated sani gives 2nd hand vehicles which is also the karak for cars, sani has no power, association of rahu & ketu with ur 4th house, certainly frequent car break downs are built in ur chart. HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 http://in.groups. / search?query= chandra-adityaas troremedies Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ . co.in To Subscribe http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies For Professional Paid Consultancy send your mail/request for charges to haresh1405 /hareshgnathani@ or call +91 9867214103 ____________ _________ _________ __ mountains22 <mountains22@ > Thursday, 11 June, 2009 7:40:46 AM Mercury Retrograde I have noticed that every time Mercury retrogrades, I get physically sick. The illness last as long as the retrograde. Another negative side effect is that I have little motivation to do my sadana. I do not feel God's presence in my life. I also have a strong desire to eat tamasic foods. The normal stuff that usually happens during the Mercury retrogrades, like my car breaking down, always happen to me. I was wondering if you can tell me why Mercury is malefic with me during the retrograde. And also, how can I remedy this situation. I know some people go through a hard time during the retrograde, but I go through an extremely hard time. I want this to end. My Date of Birth is 12-23-1970 Born in Livingston, New Jersey, USA At 3:44 PM Namaste From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to http://in.promos. / groups/citygroup s/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Debilitated Shani in 12th makes Vipareeta Raajayoga. It is lord of 9th and 10th houses and is therefore yogakaaraka by dint of being lord of kendra and trikona.But Vipareeta Raajayoga gives good results in exceptional and often opposite to normal ways. If lord of 9th is making Vipareeta Raajayoga as this case is, it will lead towards a bizarre type of spiritual experience : too much yearning for the spiritual but too much instincts to the contrary to make it fruitful for a real religious experience. Mercury is lord of 2 & 5 th hoses, and lord of the raashi ruling the belly. It is in 8th. Hence, it gives health troubles when retrograde, because it is retro in birthchart. But the effect is mild due to Saturn MD. When Mercury's MD arrives, it will cause serious trouble. ________________________________ Mrutyunjay Tripathy <astrologer_mrutyunjay Thursday, June 11, 2009 5:03:33 PM Re: Mercury Retrograde It might be a typing mistake I hope. , venu dhulipala <dhulipala_venu@ ...> wrote: > > Hi Harry, > > Sani is brahmin? I heard Sani is Shudra. > > regards, > venu > > --- On Thu, 11/6/09, Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > > Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405@ ...> > Re: Mercury Retrograde > > Thursday, 11 June, 2009, 10:33 AM > > Dear Mountains > > Lordship of mercury of second house with mercury aspecting its own house, also debilated sani & surya aspecting 2nd house, association of mercury with 2nd house makes a native eat whatever they comes across, with debilated sani also aspecting its maha dasha on, tamsic food preference cannot be ignored. Sani is a brahmin but when debilated it gives a desire to hv tamsic food. Surya loves any kind of food but in a royal way, even tamsic food is taken, one prefers to go by one's own taste & preference. > > It is not retrograde mercury which makes u sick, sani MD currently & in transit sani aspecting ur lagna will make u sick, AD of surya also on & surya in ur 8th house in ur janma kundali does makes u feel sick. > > Debilated sani gives 2nd hand vehicles which is also the karak for cars, sani has no power, association of rahu & ketu with ur 4th house, certainly frequent car break downs are built in ur chart. > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > http://in.groups. / search?query= chandra-adityaas troremedies > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ . co.in > To Subscribe > http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > For Professional Paid Consultancy send your mail/request for charges to > haresh1405 /hareshgnathani@ or call +91 9867214103 > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > mountains22 <mountains22@ > > > Thursday, 11 June, 2009 7:40:46 AM > Mercury Retrograde > > I have noticed that every time Mercury retrogrades, I get physically sick. The illness last as long as the retrograde. Another negative side effect is that I have little motivation to do my sadana. I do not feel God's presence in my life. I also have a strong desire to eat tamasic foods. The normal stuff that usually happens during the Mercury retrogrades, like my car breaking down, always happen to me. > > I was wondering if you can tell me why Mercury is malefic with me during the retrograde. And also, how can I remedy this situation. I know some people go through a hard time during the retrograde, but I go through an extremely hard time. I want this to end. > My Date of Birth is 12-23-1970 > Born in Livingston, New Jersey, USA > At 3:44 PM > > Namaste > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to http://in.promos. / groups/citygroup s/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Sir, Becomes very good brahamin as he gets opportunity to serve as a priest and do good.Also Vishnu taking kurmavatar is iteslf to indicate that the caste are only for occupational purpose otherwise every thing in universe is brahmanam and with out any distinctions.hwere as the cults of Shaiva and Vaishnava is only to to identify themselves as different from others and to find sepearate patha/marg for the same purpose of realisation.otherwise brahmanda is endless and countless as represented Vishnu.In categorisation of occupation,lowest working class are represented by saturn.Also saturn provides occassion to serve masses and do socilal service and justice.when mercry goes close to sun retrogrades and looses track to baehave erratically by loosing stability.Saturn mercury along with venus join together in their tastes and approaches in life.All these planets in good house with strength are always there to do good and guide evry one properly in his endeavours vrkrishnan --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405 wrote: Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405 Re: Mercury Retrograde Thursday, June 11, 2009, 8:49 AM Dear Venu Sani is given the category of sudra which signifies that they are the working class, but it does not means that they are not brahmins. Lord Kurma Devta represents sani in the Vaisnava Sampradhaya, Was Lord Kurma a Sudra??? He was Vishnu Avtar who was instrumental when the churning of Samundra Manthaan happened. When Sani is exalted & powerful in any chart, it makes native very good brahmin. HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 http://in.groups. / search?query= chandra-adityaas troremedies Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ . co.in To Subscribe http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies For Professional Paid Consultancy send your mail/request for charges to haresh1405 /hareshgnathani@ or call +91 9867214103 ____________ _________ _________ __ venu dhulipala <dhulipala_venu@ > Thursday, 11 June, 2009 12:58:12 PM Re: Mercury Retrograde Hi Harry, Sani is brahmin? I heard Sani is Shudra. regards, venu --- On Thu, 11/6/09, Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405> wrote: Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405> Re: Mercury Retrograde Thursday, 11 June, 2009, 10:33 AM Dear Mountains Lordship of mercury of second house with mercury aspecting its own house, also debilated sani & surya aspecting 2nd house, association of mercury with 2nd house makes a native eat whatever they comes across, with debilated sani also aspecting its maha dasha on, tamsic food preference cannot be ignored. Sani is a brahmin but when debilated it gives a desire to hv tamsic food. Surya loves any kind of food but in a royal way, even tamsic food is taken, one prefers to go by one's own taste & preference. It is not retrograde mercury which makes u sick, sani MD currently & in transit sani aspecting ur lagna will make u sick, AD of surya also on & surya in ur 8th house in ur janma kundali does makes u feel sick. Debilated sani gives 2nd hand vehicles which is also the karak for cars, sani has no power, association of rahu & ketu with ur 4th house, certainly frequent car break downs are built in ur chart. HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 http://in.groups. / search?query= chandra-adityaas troremedies Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ . co..in To Subscribe http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies For Professional Paid Consultancy send your mail/request for charges to haresh1405 /hareshgnathani@ ..com or call +91 9867214103 ____________ _________ _________ __ mountains22 <mountains22@ > Thursday, 11 June, 2009 7:40:46 AM Mercury Retrograde I have noticed that every time Mercury retrogrades, I get physically sick. The illness last as long as the retrograde. Another negative side effect is that I have little motivation to do my sadana. I do not feel God's presence in my life. I also have a strong desire to eat tamasic foods.. The normal stuff that usually happens during the Mercury retrogrades, like my car breaking down, always happen to me. I was wondering if you can tell me why Mercury is malefic with me during the retrograde. And also, how can I remedy this situation. I know some people go through a hard time during the retrograde, but I go through an extremely hard time. I want this to end. My Date of Birth is 12-23-1970 Born in Livingston, New Jersey, USA At 3:44 PM Namaste From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to http://in.promos. / groups/citygroup s/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Venu, It is true that in jyotish texts astro-factors have been classified according to the four castes but it is not necessarily a literal association. If such were the case then astrologers would be able to tell from the chart which caste the nativity belongs to. Someone once told me that Chanakya had saturn rising (in cancer rashi if I recall correctly). Leave aside the caste system with four possibilities, Astrologers would have less than perfect scores if they were give a bunch of blind charts and were asked to identify genders of the nativities! This is not to denigrate astrology or astrologers but just a down to earth statement. We hear all kinds of bravados about this or that system and this is nothing new. It has been going on in Jyotish for as long as I can remember. Every few years someone brings out the Holy Grail. In the past ofcourse astrologers used to provide more examples than verbiage around their claims. Kaliyuga indeed! Rohiniranjan , venu dhulipala <dhulipala_venu wrote: > > Hi Harry, > > Sani is brahmin? I heard Sani is Shudra. > > regards, > venu > > --- On Thu, 11/6/09, Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405 wrote: > > > Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405 > Re: Mercury Retrograde > > Thursday, 11 June, 2009, 10:33 AM > > Dear Mountains > > Lordship of mercury of second house with mercury aspecting its own house, also debilated sani & surya aspecting 2nd house, association of mercury with 2nd house makes a native eat whatever they comes across, with debilated sani also aspecting its maha dasha on, tamsic food preference cannot be ignored. Sani is a brahmin but when debilated it gives a desire to hv tamsic food. Surya loves any kind of food but in a royal way, even tamsic food is taken, one prefers to go by one's own taste & preference. > > It is not retrograde mercury which makes u sick, sani MD currently & in transit sani aspecting ur lagna will make u sick, AD of surya also on & surya in ur 8th house in ur janma kundali does makes u feel sick. > > Debilated sani gives 2nd hand vehicles which is also the karak for cars, sani has no power, association of rahu & ketu with ur 4th house, certainly frequent car break downs are built in ur chart. > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > http://in.groups. / search?query= chandra-adityaas troremedies > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ . co.in > To Subscribe > http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > For Professional Paid Consultancy send your mail/request for charges to > haresh1405 /hareshgnathani@ or call +91 9867214103 > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > mountains22 <mountains22@ > > > Thursday, 11 June, 2009 7:40:46 AM > Mercury Retrograde > > I have noticed that every time Mercury retrogrades, I get physically sick. The illness last as long as the retrograde. Another negative side effect is that I have little motivation to do my sadana. I do not feel God's presence in my life. I also have a strong desire to eat tamasic foods. The normal stuff that usually happens during the Mercury retrogrades, like my car breaking down, always happen to me. > > I was wondering if you can tell me why Mercury is malefic with me during the retrograde. And also, how can I remedy this situation. I know some people go through a hard time during the retrograde, but I go through an extremely hard time. I want this to end. > My Date of Birth is 12-23-1970 > Born in Livingston, New Jersey, USA > At 3:44 PM > > Namaste > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to http://in.promos. / groups/citygroup s/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Thank you for all your quick responses. I know that I have many planets in bad houses because my life reflects that scenario. I have quite a few(Mecury, Saturn, Mars) planets to propitiate to. I figured that after my Saturn dasha, I would catch a break.But it looks like it will not work out that way. , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > Dear Montains ! > > You have noticed the retrogression of Mercury with your health correctly, because Mercury is lord of 2nd house and therefore the main killer, and residing in the house of death. After the period of Saturn ends and Mercury starts after ~6 years, you will be in serious health and financial troubles. > > Lord of 9th house Saturn is debilitated in 12th, it gives a Vipareet Rajayoga, but you will have to nmake extra efforts to increase spirituality in your life, try Yoga (praanaayaama and meditation, which are ineffective with taamasika food). > > You have many planets in bad houses. Only you can propitiate them. > > -VJ > > ======================== === > > > ________________________________ > mountains22 <mountains22 > > Thursday, June 11, 2009 7:40:46 AM > Mercury Retrograde > > > > > > I have noticed that every time Mercury retrogrades, I get physically sick. The illness last as long as the retrograde. Another negative side effect is that I have little motivation to do my sadana. I do not feel God's presence in my life. I also have a strong desire to eat tamasic foods. The normal stuff that usually happens during the Mercury retrogrades, like my car breaking down, always happen to me. > > I was wondering if you can tell me why Mercury is malefic with me during the retrograde. And also, how can I remedy this situation. I know some people go through a hard time during the retrograde, but I go through an extremely hard time. I want this to end. > My Date of Birth is 12-23-1970 > Born in Livingston, New Jersey, USA > At 3:44 PM > > Namaste > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Dada, I hope you do not feel dissented by your cyber-chota bhai (as in brother kind and not Munna-bhai kind!) but just occupation? Perhaps you meant not the livelihood aspect or work that brings bread home etc but *OCCUPATION* -- what keeps the soul occupied! Perhaps the astrological " castes " are not about pride and arrogance (Good deeds done birth after birth hence amuk amuk was born as a priest or King [The real ones -- not thinking of prince CHARLES!] but just the potential that one must strive for. Since we hindus believe in reincarnation and hopefully a few other religions do too -- maybe the potential can evolve over several birth-times! The religions which do not overtly believe in or give credence to rebirths -- perhaps they are doing it for a pragmatic reason, at least when they were 'born' and it seemed the right thing to do given the social situations they were born in. When the environment and surroundings crush the spirit out of a PEOPLE, it makes little sense to teach them about other lifetimes and so on. Hence the Prophets sent to those were down to earth and PRAGMATIC and first raised their awareness to become human and then evolve. Sadly, sometimes followers stop at the words and do not rise to embrace the INTENT and the PROMISE! I do not wish to hurt or offend any person, let alone any religious belief but while on the one hand we publicly admit that jyotish scriptures as they exist now are perhaps not pure or complete, how can one justify that the same may be the case with the religious scriptures? Religious scriptures (any religion!) hopefuly must outdate astrology? If that is not the case and astrology is older, then when was the meaning of the 9th house introduced into it? And why?? Just a formicating thought! Rohiniranjan , vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Sir, > Becomes very good brahamin as he gets opportunity to serve as a priest and do good.Also Vishnu taking kurmavatar is iteslf to indicate that the caste are only for occupational purpose otherwise every thing in universe is brahmanam and with out any distinctions.hwere as the cults of Shaiva and Vaishnava is only to to identify themselves as different from others and to find sepearate patha/marg for the same purpose of realisation.otherwise brahmanda is endless and countless as represented Vishnu.In categorisation of occupation,lowest working class are represented by saturn.Also saturn provides occassion to serve masses and do socilal service and justice.when mercry goes close to sun retrogrades and looses track to baehave erratically by loosing stability.Saturn mercury along with venus join together in their tastes and approaches in life.All these planets in good house with strength are always there to do good and guide evry one properly in his endeavours > vrkrishnan > > --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405 wrote: > > > Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405 > Re: Mercury Retrograde > > Thursday, June 11, 2009, 8:49 AM > > Dear Venu > > Sani is given the category of sudra which signifies that they are the working class, but it does not means that they are not brahmins. Lord Kurma Devta represents sani in the Vaisnava Sampradhaya, Was Lord Kurma a Sudra??? He was Vishnu Avtar who was instrumental when the churning of Samundra Manthaan happened. When Sani is exalted & powerful in any chart, it makes native very good brahmin. > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > http://in.groups. / search?query= chandra-adityaas troremedies > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ . co.in > To Subscribe > http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > For Professional Paid Consultancy send your mail/request for charges to > haresh1405 /hareshgnathani@ or call +91 9867214103 > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > venu dhulipala <dhulipala_venu@ > > > Thursday, 11 June, 2009 12:58:12 PM > Re: Mercury Retrograde > > Hi Harry, > > Sani is brahmin? I heard Sani is Shudra. > > regards, > venu > > --- On Thu, 11/6/09, Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405> wrote: > > Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405> > Re: Mercury Retrograde > > Thursday, 11 June, 2009, 10:33 AM > > Dear Mountains > > Lordship of mercury of second house with mercury aspecting its own house, also debilated sani & surya aspecting 2nd house, association of mercury with 2nd house makes a native eat whatever they comes across, with debilated sani also aspecting its maha dasha on, tamsic food preference cannot be ignored. Sani is a brahmin but when debilated it gives a desire to hv tamsic food. Surya loves any kind of food but in a royal way, even tamsic food is taken, one prefers to go by one's own taste & preference. > > It is not retrograde mercury which makes u sick, sani MD currently & in transit sani aspecting ur lagna will make u sick, AD of surya also on & surya in ur 8th house in ur janma kundali does makes u feel sick. > > Debilated sani gives 2nd hand vehicles which is also the karak for cars, sani has no power, association of rahu & ketu with ur 4th house, certainly frequent car break downs are built in ur chart. > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > http://in.groups. / search?query= chandra-adityaas troremedies > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ . co..in > To Subscribe > http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > For Professional Paid Consultancy send your mail/request for charges to > haresh1405 /hareshgnathani@ ..com or call +91 9867214103 > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > mountains22 <mountains22@ > > > Thursday, 11 June, 2009 7:40:46 AM > Mercury Retrograde > > I have noticed that every time Mercury retrogrades, I get physically sick. The illness last as long as the retrograde. Another negative side effect is that I have little motivation to do my sadana. I do not feel God's presence in my life. I also have a strong desire to eat tamasic foods.. The normal stuff that usually happens during the Mercury retrogrades, like my car breaking down, always happen to me. > > I was wondering if you can tell me why Mercury is malefic with me during the retrograde. And also, how can I remedy this situation. I know some people go through a hard time during the retrograde, but I go through an extremely hard time. I want this to end. > My Date of Birth is 12-23-1970 > Born in Livingston, New Jersey, USA > At 3:44 PM > > Namaste > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to http://in.promos. / groups/citygroup s/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Probably it is mercury's uncertain behaviour of going into " retrogression " and " atichara " raise issues of qualitative aspects and are meant for discussion and advancement of theology as well human experiences limited to behaviour palnets. " jyotish scriptures as they exist now are perhaps not pure or complete, how can one justify that the same may be the case with the religious scriptures? " Perfectly this also fits into the frame work of Astrology as it is indicative but not a finality by itself thus leaving room to analyse and understand. where as religious scripture provided a limited arena and became secondary as derivatives and there is every scope here to be fallacious as beliefs are mass feelings and opinions and serve as quantitative aspects. Infact the currency of religion and validation depend on the practicality of the messengers of God sent to preach human beings.By being practical.down to earth they could succeed in snsitising the people and bring them into fold/group for continuity purpose.Their efforts for success have also elements veiled spirtuality that only came through scriptures.Infact any scripture han no element of religion.it is only in elaboaration the religious aspects dawned vrkrishnan --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Re: Mercury Retrograde Thursday, June 11, 2009, 11:14 PM Dada, I hope you do not feel dissented by your cyber-chota bhai (as in brother kind and not Munna-bhai kind!) but just occupation? Perhaps you meant not the livelihood aspect or work that brings bread home etc but *OCCUPATION* -- what keeps the soul occupied! Perhaps the astrological " castes " are not about pride and arrogance (Good deeds done birth after birth hence amuk amuk was born as a priest or King [The real ones -- not thinking of prince CHARLES!] but just the potential that one must strive for. Since we hindus believe in reincarnation and hopefully a few other religions do too -- maybe the potential can evolve over several birth-times! The religions which do not overtly believe in or give credence to rebirths -- perhaps they are doing it for a pragmatic reason, at least when they were 'born' and it seemed the right thing to do given the social situations they were born in. When the environment and surroundings crush the spirit out of a PEOPLE, it makes little sense to teach them about other lifetimes and so on. Hence the Prophets sent to those were down to earth and PRAGMATIC and first raised their awareness to become human and then evolve. Sadly, sometimes followers stop at the words and do not rise to embrace the INTENT and the PROMISE! I do not wish to hurt or offend any person, let alone any religious belief but while on the one hand we publicly admit that jyotish scriptures as they exist now are perhaps not pure or complete, how can one justify that the same may be the case with the religious scriptures? Religious scriptures (any religion!) hopefuly must outdate astrology? If that is not the case and astrology is older, then when was the meaning of the 9th house introduced into it? And why?? Just a formicating thought! Rohiniranjan , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Sir, > Becomes very good brahamin as he gets opportunity to serve as a priest and do good.Also Vishnu taking kurmavatar is iteslf to indicate that the caste are only for occupational purpose otherwise every thing in universe is brahmanam and with out any distinctions. hwere as the cults of Shaiva and Vaishnava is only to to identify themselves as different from others and to find sepearate patha/marg for the same purpose of realisation. otherwise brahmanda is endless and countless as represented Vishnu.In categorisation of occupation,lowest working class are represented by saturn.Also saturn provides occassion to serve masses and do socilal service and justice.when mercry goes close to sun retrogrades and looses track to baehave erratically by loosing stability.Saturn mercury along with venus join together in their tastes and approaches in life.All these planets in good house with strength are always there to do good and guide evry one properly in his endeavours > vrkrishnan > > --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > > Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405@ ...> > Re: Mercury Retrograde > > Thursday, June 11, 2009, 8:49 AM > > Dear Venu > > Sani is given the category of sudra which signifies that they are the working class, but it does not means that they are not brahmins. Lord Kurma Devta represents sani in the Vaisnava Sampradhaya, Was Lord Kurma a Sudra??? He was Vishnu Avtar who was instrumental when the churning of Samundra Manthaan happened. When Sani is exalted & powerful in any chart, it makes native very good brahmin. > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > http://in.groups. / search?query= chandra-adityaas troremedies > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ . co.in > To Subscribe > http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > For Professional Paid Consultancy send your mail/request for charges to > haresh1405 /hareshgnathani@ or call +91 9867214103 > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > venu dhulipala <dhulipala_venu@ > > > Thursday, 11 June, 2009 12:58:12 PM > Re: Mercury Retrograde > > Hi Harry, > > Sani is brahmin? I heard Sani is Shudra. > > regards, > venu > > --- On Thu, 11/6/09, Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405> wrote: > > Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405> > Re: Mercury Retrograde > > Thursday, 11 June, 2009, 10:33 AM > > Dear Mountains > > Lordship of mercury of second house with mercury aspecting its own house, also debilated sani & surya aspecting 2nd house, association of mercury with 2nd house makes a native eat whatever they comes across, with debilated sani also aspecting its maha dasha on, tamsic food preference cannot be ignored. Sani is a brahmin but when debilated it gives a desire to hv tamsic food. Surya loves any kind of food but in a royal way, even tamsic food is taken, one prefers to go by one's own taste & preference. > > It is not retrograde mercury which makes u sick, sani MD currently & in transit sani aspecting ur lagna will make u sick, AD of surya also on & surya in ur 8th house in ur janma kundali does makes u feel sick. > > Debilated sani gives 2nd hand vehicles which is also the karak for cars, sani has no power, association of rahu & ketu with ur 4th house, certainly frequent car break downs are built in ur chart. > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > http://in.groups. / search?query= chandra-adityaas troremedies > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ . co..in > To Subscribe > http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > For Professional Paid Consultancy send your mail/request for charges to > haresh1405 /hareshgnathani@ ..com or call +91 9867214103 > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > mountains22 <mountains22@ > > > Thursday, 11 June, 2009 7:40:46 AM > Mercury Retrograde > > I have noticed that every time Mercury retrogrades, I get physically sick. The illness last as long as the retrograde. Another negative side effect is that I have little motivation to do my sadana. I do not feel God's presence in my life. I also have a strong desire to eat tamasic foods.. The normal stuff that usually happens during the Mercury retrogrades, like my car breaking down, always happen to me. > > I was wondering if you can tell me why Mercury is malefic with me during the retrograde. And also, how can I remedy this situation. I know some people go through a hard time during the retrograde, but I go through an extremely hard time. I want this to end. > My Date of Birth is 12-23-1970 > Born in Livingston, New Jersey, USA > At 3:44 PM > > Namaste > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to http://in.promos. / groups/citygroup s/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 I think people sometimes get confused and equate scriptures with the WORD! The WORD was divine and was originally HEARD from GOD. Scriptures were later on written down by human beings! Hence the 'gap'! RR , vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Probably it is mercury's uncertain behaviour of going into " retrogression " and " atichara " > raise issues of qualitative aspects and are meant for discussion and advancement of theology as well human experiences limited to behaviour palnets. > " jyotish scriptures as they exist now are perhaps not pure or complete, how can one justify that the same may be the case with the religious scriptures? " > Perfectly this also fits into the frame work of Astrology as it is indicative but not a finality by itself thus leaving room to analyse and understand. > where as religious scripture provided a limited arena and became secondary as derivatives and there is every scope here to be fallacious as beliefs are mass feelings and opinions and serve as quantitative aspects. > Infact the currency of religion and validation depend on the practicality of the messengers of God sent to preach human beings.By being practical.down to earth they could succeed in snsitising the people and bring them into fold/group for continuity purpose.Their efforts for success have also elements veiled spirtuality that only came through scriptures.Infact any scripture han no element of religion.it is only in elaboaration the religious aspects dawned > vrkrishnan > --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > Re: Mercury Retrograde > > Thursday, June 11, 2009, 11:14 PM > > Dada, > > I hope you do not feel dissented by your cyber-chota bhai (as in brother kind and not Munna-bhai kind!) but just occupation? > > Perhaps you meant not the livelihood aspect or work that brings bread home etc but *OCCUPATION* -- what keeps the soul occupied! > > Perhaps the astrological " castes " are not about pride and arrogance (Good deeds done birth after birth hence amuk amuk was born as a priest or King [The real ones -- not thinking of prince CHARLES!] but just the potential that one must strive for. Since we hindus believe in reincarnation and hopefully a few other religions do too -- maybe the potential can evolve over several birth-times! > > The religions which do not overtly believe in or give credence to rebirths -- perhaps they are doing it for a pragmatic reason, at least when they were 'born' and it seemed the right thing to do given the social situations they were born in. When the environment and surroundings crush the spirit out of a PEOPLE, it makes little sense to teach them about other lifetimes and so on. Hence the Prophets sent to those were down to earth and PRAGMATIC and first raised their awareness to become human and then evolve. Sadly, sometimes followers stop at the words and do not rise to embrace the INTENT and the PROMISE! > > I do not wish to hurt or offend any person, let alone any religious belief but while on the one hand we publicly admit that jyotish scriptures as they exist now are perhaps not pure or complete, how can one justify that the same may be the case with the religious scriptures? > > Religious scriptures (any religion!) hopefuly must outdate astrology? If that is not the case and astrology is older, then when was the meaning of the 9th house introduced into it? And why?? > > Just a formicating thought! > > Rohiniranjan > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Sir, > > Becomes very good brahamin as he gets opportunity to serve as a priest and do good.Also Vishnu taking kurmavatar is iteslf to indicate that the caste are only for occupational purpose otherwise every thing in universe is brahmanam and with out any distinctions. hwere as the cults of Shaiva and Vaishnava is only to to identify themselves as different from others and to find sepearate patha/marg for the same purpose of realisation. otherwise brahmanda is endless and countless as represented Vishnu.In categorisation of occupation,lowest working class are represented by saturn.Also saturn provides occassion to serve masses and do socilal service and justice.when mercry goes close to sun retrogrades and looses track to baehave erratically by loosing stability.Saturn mercury along with venus join together in their tastes and approaches in life.All these planets in good house with strength are always there to do good and guide evry one properly in his > endeavours > > vrkrishnan > > > > --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405@ ...> > > Re: Mercury Retrograde > > > > Thursday, June 11, 2009, 8:49 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Venu > > > > Sani is given the category of sudra which signifies that they are the working class, but it does not means that they are not brahmins. Lord Kurma Devta represents sani in the Vaisnava Sampradhaya, Was Lord Kurma a Sudra??? He was Vishnu Avtar who was instrumental when the churning of Samundra Manthaan happened. When Sani is exalted & powerful in any chart, it makes native very good brahmin. > > > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > http://in.groups. / search?query= chandra-adityaas troremedies > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ . co.in > > To Subscribe > > http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > > For Professional Paid Consultancy send your mail/request for charges to > > haresh1405 /hareshgnathani@ or call +91 9867214103 > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > venu dhulipala <dhulipala_venu@ > > > > > Thursday, 11 June, 2009 12:58:12 PM > > Re: Mercury Retrograde > > > > Hi Harry, > > > > Sani is brahmin? I heard Sani is Shudra. > > > > regards, > > venu > > > > --- On Thu, 11/6/09, Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405> wrote: > > > > Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405> > > Re: Mercury Retrograde > > > > Thursday, 11 June, 2009, 10:33 AM > > > > Dear Mountains > > > > Lordship of mercury of second house with mercury aspecting its own house, also debilated sani & surya aspecting 2nd house, association of mercury with 2nd house makes a native eat whatever they comes across, with debilated sani also aspecting its maha dasha on, tamsic food preference cannot be ignored. Sani is a brahmin but when debilated it gives a desire to hv tamsic food. Surya loves any kind of food but in a royal way, even tamsic food is taken, one prefers to go by one's own taste & preference. > > > > It is not retrograde mercury which makes u sick, sani MD currently & in transit sani aspecting ur lagna will make u sick, AD of surya also on & surya in ur 8th house in ur janma kundali does makes u feel sick. > > > > Debilated sani gives 2nd hand vehicles which is also the karak for cars, sani has no power, association of rahu & ketu with ur 4th house, certainly frequent car break downs are built in ur chart. > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > http://in.groups. / search?query= chandra-adityaas troremedies > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ . co..in > > To Subscribe > > http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > > For Professional Paid Consultancy send your mail/request for charges to > > haresh1405 /hareshgnathani@ ..com or call +91 9867214103 > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > mountains22 <mountains22@ > > > > > Thursday, 11 June, 2009 7:40:46 AM > > Mercury Retrograde > > > > I have noticed that every time Mercury retrogrades, I get physically sick. The illness last as long as the retrograde. Another negative side effect is that I have little motivation to do my sadana. I do not feel God's presence in my life. I also have a strong desire to eat tamasic foods.. The normal stuff that usually happens during the Mercury retrogrades, like my car breaking down, always happen to me. > > > > I was wondering if you can tell me why Mercury is malefic with me during the retrograde. And also, how can I remedy this situation. I know some people go through a hard time during the retrograde, but I go through an extremely hard time. I want this to end. > > My Date of Birth is 12-23-1970 > > Born in Livingston, New Jersey, USA > > At 3:44 PM > > > > Namaste > > > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to http://in.promos. / groups/citygroup s/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Another alternative reason : I think people sometimes get confused and equate WORD with the texts written down by human beings! No BOOK will be accepted as WORD by such people! Hence the 'gap'! Both alternatives work with opposite sets of people respectively. -VJ ======================== === ________________________________ Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Friday, June 12, 2009 10:59:00 AM Re: Mercury Retrograde I think people sometimes get confused and equate scriptures with the WORD! The WORD was divine and was originally HEARD from GOD. Scriptures were later on written down by human beings! Hence the 'gap'! RR , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Probably it is mercury's uncertain behaviour of going into " retrogression " and " atichara " > raise issues of qualitative aspects and are meant for discussion and advancement of theology as well human experiences limited to behaviour palnets. > " jyotish scriptures as they exist now are perhaps not pure or complete, how can one justify that the same may be the case with the religious scriptures? " > Perfectly this also fits into the frame work of Astrology as it is indicative but not a finality by itself thus leaving room to analyse and understand. > where as religious scripture provided a limited arena and became secondary as derivatives and there is every scope here to be fallacious as beliefs are mass feelings and opinions and serve as quantitative aspects. > Infact the currency of religion and validation depend on the practicality of the messengers of God sent to preach human beings.By being practical.down to earth they could succeed in snsitising the people and bring them into fold/group for continuity purpose.Their efforts for success have also elements veiled spirtuality that only came through scriptures.Infact any scripture han no element of religion.it is only in elaboaration the religious aspects dawned > vrkrishnan > --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > Re: Mercury Retrograde > > Thursday, June 11, 2009, 11:14 PM > > Dada, > > I hope you do not feel dissented by your cyber-chota bhai (as in brother kind and not Munna-bhai kind!) but just occupation? > > Perhaps you meant not the livelihood aspect or work that brings bread home etc but *OCCUPATION* -- what keeps the soul occupied! > > Perhaps the astrological " castes " are not about pride and arrogance (Good deeds done birth after birth hence amuk amuk was born as a priest or King [The real ones -- not thinking of prince CHARLES!] but just the potential that one must strive for. Since we hindus believe in reincarnation and hopefully a few other religions do too -- maybe the potential can evolve over several birth-times! > > The religions which do not overtly believe in or give credence to rebirths -- perhaps they are doing it for a pragmatic reason, at least when they were 'born' and it seemed the right thing to do given the social situations they were born in. When the environment and surroundings crush the spirit out of a PEOPLE, it makes little sense to teach them about other lifetimes and so on. Hence the Prophets sent to those were down to earth and PRAGMATIC and first raised their awareness to become human and then evolve. Sadly, sometimes followers stop at the words and do not rise to embrace the INTENT and the PROMISE! > > I do not wish to hurt or offend any person, let alone any religious belief but while on the one hand we publicly admit that jyotish scriptures as they exist now are perhaps not pure or complete, how can one justify that the same may be the case with the religious scriptures? > > Religious scriptures (any religion!) hopefuly must outdate astrology? If that is not the case and astrology is older, then when was the meaning of the 9th house introduced into it? And why?? > > Just a formicating thought! > > Rohiniranjan > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Sir, > > Becomes very good brahamin as he gets opportunity to serve as a priest and do good.Also Vishnu taking kurmavatar is iteslf to indicate that the caste are only for occupational purpose otherwise every thing in universe is brahmanam and with out any distinctions. hwere as the cults of Shaiva and Vaishnava is only to to identify themselves as different from others and to find sepearate patha/marg for the same purpose of realisation. otherwise brahmanda is endless and countless as represented Vishnu.In categorisation of occupation,lowest working class are represented by saturn.Also saturn provides occassion to serve masses and do socilal service and justice.when mercry goes close to sun retrogrades and looses track to baehave erratically by loosing stability.Saturn mercury along with venus join together in their tastes and approaches in life.All these planets in good house with strength are always there to do good and guide evry one properly in his > endeavours > > vrkrishnan > > > > --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405@ ...> > > Re: Mercury Retrograde > > > > Thursday, June 11, 2009, 8:49 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Venu > > > > Sani is given the category of sudra which signifies that they are the working class, but it does not means that they are not brahmins. Lord Kurma Devta represents sani in the Vaisnava Sampradhaya, Was Lord Kurma a Sudra??? He was Vishnu Avtar who was instrumental when the churning of Samundra Manthaan happened. When Sani is exalted & powerful in any chart, it makes native very good brahmin. > > > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > http://in.groups. / search?query= chandra-adityaas troremedies > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ . co.in > > To Subscribe > > http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > > For Professional Paid Consultancy send your mail/request for charges to > > haresh1405 /hareshgnathani@ or call +91 9867214103 > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > venu dhulipala <dhulipala_venu@ > > > > > Thursday, 11 June, 2009 12:58:12 PM > > Re: Mercury Retrograde > > > > Hi Harry, > > > > Sani is brahmin? I heard Sani is Shudra. > > > > regards, > > venu > > > > --- On Thu, 11/6/09, Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405> wrote: > > > > Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405> > > Re: Mercury Retrograde > > > > Thursday, 11 June, 2009, 10:33 AM > > > > Dear Mountains > > > > Lordship of mercury of second house with mercury aspecting its own house, also debilated sani & surya aspecting 2nd house, association of mercury with 2nd house makes a native eat whatever they comes across, with debilated sani also aspecting its maha dasha on, tamsic food preference cannot be ignored. Sani is a brahmin but when debilated it gives a desire to hv tamsic food. Surya loves any kind of food but in a royal way, even tamsic food is taken, one prefers to go by one's own taste & preference. > > > > It is not retrograde mercury which makes u sick, sani MD currently & in transit sani aspecting ur lagna will make u sick, AD of surya also on & surya in ur 8th house in ur janma kundali does makes u feel sick. > > > > Debilated sani gives 2nd hand vehicles which is also the karak for cars, sani has no power, association of rahu & ketu with ur 4th house, certainly frequent car break downs are built in ur chart. > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > http://in.groups. / search?query= chandra-adityaas troremedies > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ . co..in > > To Subscribe > > http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > > For Professional Paid Consultancy send your mail/request for charges to > > haresh1405 /hareshgnathani@ ..com or call +91 9867214103 > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > mountains22 <mountains22@ > > > > > Thursday, 11 June, 2009 7:40:46 AM > > Mercury Retrograde > > > > I have noticed that every time Mercury retrogrades, I get physically sick. The illness last as long as the retrograde. Another negative side effect is that I have little motivation to do my sadana. I do not feel God's presence in my life. I also have a strong desire to eat tamasic foods.. The normal stuff that usually happens during the Mercury retrogrades, like my car breaking down, always happen to me. > > > > I was wondering if you can tell me why Mercury is malefic with me during the retrograde. And also, how can I remedy this situation. I know some people go through a hard time during the retrograde, but I go through an extremely hard time. I want this to end. > > My Date of Birth is 12-23-1970 > > Born in Livingston, New Jersey, USA > > At 3:44 PM > > > > Namaste > > > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to http://in.promos. / groups/citygroup s/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Dear Sir, Words that got converted into scripture by human effort some how seems to carry some authentication and the author assuming it he wrote things directly from mouth of God. For any understanding or misunderstanding,becomes judgemental issue unless you a medium like Guru or father who if takes pains to eloberate,possibly the content will have unambiguity and and significance. That is how any learning initiated through a Guru as Pratyaksha Diavam has been given importance over learning through other means lest it may be understood or understood.These beholders observation might also need some logic to say so. vrkrishnan --- On Fri, 6/12/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Re: Mercury Retrograde Friday, June 12, 2009, 1:29 AM I think people sometimes get confused and equate scriptures with the WORD! The WORD was divine and was originally HEARD from GOD. Scriptures were later on written down by human beings! Hence the 'gap'! RR , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Probably it is mercury's uncertain behaviour of going into " retrogression " and " atichara " > raise issues of qualitative aspects and are meant for discussion and advancement of theology as well human experiences limited to behaviour palnets. > " jyotish scriptures as they exist now are perhaps not pure or complete, how can one justify that the same may be the case with the religious scriptures? " > Perfectly this also fits into the frame work of Astrology as it is indicative but not a finality by itself thus leaving room to analyse and understand. > where as religious scripture provided a limited arena and became secondary as derivatives and there is every scope here to be fallacious as beliefs are mass feelings and opinions and serve as quantitative aspects. > Infact the currency of religion and validation depend on the practicality of the messengers of God sent to preach human beings.By being practical.down to earth they could succeed in snsitising the people and bring them into fold/group for continuity purpose.Their efforts for success have also elements veiled spirtuality that only came through scriptures.Infact any scripture han no element of religion.it is only in elaboaration the religious aspects dawned > vrkrishnan > --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > Re: Mercury Retrograde > > Thursday, June 11, 2009, 11:14 PM > > Dada, > > I hope you do not feel dissented by your cyber-chota bhai (as in brother kind and not Munna-bhai kind!) but just occupation? > > Perhaps you meant not the livelihood aspect or work that brings bread home etc but *OCCUPATION* -- what keeps the soul occupied! > > Perhaps the astrological " castes " are not about pride and arrogance (Good deeds done birth after birth hence amuk amuk was born as a priest or King [The real ones -- not thinking of prince CHARLES!] but just the potential that one must strive for. Since we hindus believe in reincarnation and hopefully a few other religions do too -- maybe the potential can evolve over several birth-times! > > The religions which do not overtly believe in or give credence to rebirths -- perhaps they are doing it for a pragmatic reason, at least when they were 'born' and it seemed the right thing to do given the social situations they were born in. When the environment and surroundings crush the spirit out of a PEOPLE, it makes little sense to teach them about other lifetimes and so on. Hence the Prophets sent to those were down to earth and PRAGMATIC and first raised their awareness to become human and then evolve. Sadly, sometimes followers stop at the words and do not rise to embrace the INTENT and the PROMISE! > > I do not wish to hurt or offend any person, let alone any religious belief but while on the one hand we publicly admit that jyotish scriptures as they exist now are perhaps not pure or complete, how can one justify that the same may be the case with the religious scriptures? > > Religious scriptures (any religion!) hopefuly must outdate astrology? If that is not the case and astrology is older, then when was the meaning of the 9th house introduced into it? And why?? > > Just a formicating thought! > > Rohiniranjan > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Sir, > > Becomes very good brahamin as he gets opportunity to serve as a priest and do good.Also Vishnu taking kurmavatar is iteslf to indicate that the caste are only for occupational purpose otherwise every thing in universe is brahmanam and with out any distinctions. hwere as the cults of Shaiva and Vaishnava is only to to identify themselves as different from others and to find sepearate patha/marg for the same purpose of realisation. otherwise brahmanda is endless and countless as represented Vishnu.In categorisation of occupation,lowest working class are represented by saturn.Also saturn provides occassion to serve masses and do socilal service and justice.when mercry goes close to sun retrogrades and looses track to baehave erratically by loosing stability.Saturn mercury along with venus join together in their tastes and approaches in life.All these planets in good house with strength are always there to do good and guide evry one properly in his > endeavours > > vrkrishnan > > > > --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405@ ...> > > Re: Mercury Retrograde > > > > Thursday, June 11, 2009, 8:49 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Venu > > > > Sani is given the category of sudra which signifies that they are the working class, but it does not means that they are not brahmins. Lord Kurma Devta represents sani in the Vaisnava Sampradhaya, Was Lord Kurma a Sudra??? He was Vishnu Avtar who was instrumental when the churning of Samundra Manthaan happened. When Sani is exalted & powerful in any chart, it makes native very good brahmin. > > > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > http://in.groups. / search?query= chandra-adityaas troremedies > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ . co.in > > To Subscribe > > http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > > For Professional Paid Consultancy send your mail/request for charges to > > haresh1405 /hareshgnathani@ or call +91 9867214103 > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > venu dhulipala <dhulipala_venu@ > > > > > Thursday, 11 June, 2009 12:58:12 PM > > Re: Mercury Retrograde > > > > Hi Harry, > > > > Sani is brahmin? I heard Sani is Shudra. > > > > regards, > > venu > > > > --- On Thu, 11/6/09, Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405> wrote: > > > > Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405> > > Re: Mercury Retrograde > > > > Thursday, 11 June, 2009, 10:33 AM > > > > Dear Mountains > > > > Lordship of mercury of second house with mercury aspecting its own house, also debilated sani & surya aspecting 2nd house, association of mercury with 2nd house makes a native eat whatever they comes across, with debilated sani also aspecting its maha dasha on, tamsic food preference cannot be ignored. Sani is a brahmin but when debilated it gives a desire to hv tamsic food. Surya loves any kind of food but in a royal way, even tamsic food is taken, one prefers to go by one's own taste & preference. > > > > It is not retrograde mercury which makes u sick, sani MD currently & in transit sani aspecting ur lagna will make u sick, AD of surya also on & surya in ur 8th house in ur janma kundali does makes u feel sick. > > > > Debilated sani gives 2nd hand vehicles which is also the karak for cars, sani has no power, association of rahu & ketu with ur 4th house, certainly frequent car break downs are built in ur chart. > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > http://in.groups. / search?query= chandra-adityaas troremedies > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ . co..in > > To Subscribe > > http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > > For Professional Paid Consultancy send your mail/request for charges to > > haresh1405 /hareshgnathani@ ..com or call +91 9867214103 > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > mountains22 <mountains22@ > > > > > Thursday, 11 June, 2009 7:40:46 AM > > Mercury Retrograde > > > > I have noticed that every time Mercury retrogrades, I get physically sick. The illness last as long as the retrograde. Another negative side effect is that I have little motivation to do my sadana. I do not feel God's presence in my life. I also have a strong desire to eat tamasic foods.. The normal stuff that usually happens during the Mercury retrogrades, like my car breaking down, always happen to me. > > > > I was wondering if you can tell me why Mercury is malefic with me during the retrograde. And also, how can I remedy this situation. I know some people go through a hard time during the retrograde, but I go through an extremely hard time. I want this to end. > > My Date of Birth is 12-23-1970 > > Born in Livingston, New Jersey, USA > > At 3:44 PM > > > > Namaste > > > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to http://in.promos. / groups/citygroup s/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Vinay Jha ji, I think both statements are saying the same thing, not opposite! There are no 'opposite' groups unless one loves the duel of dualism! ;-) RR , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > Another alternative reason : > > > I think people sometimes get confused and equate WORD with the texts written down by human beings! No BOOK will be accepted as WORD by such people! Hence the 'gap'! > > Both alternatives work with opposite sets of people respectively. > > -VJ > ======================== === > > > ________________________________ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > > Friday, June 12, 2009 10:59:00 AM > Re: Mercury Retrograde > > > > > > I think people sometimes get confused and equate scriptures with the WORD! > > The WORD was divine and was originally HEARD from GOD. Scriptures were later on written down by human beings! > > Hence the 'gap'! > > RR > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Probably it is mercury's uncertain behaviour of going into " retrogression " and " atichara " > > raise issues of qualitative aspects and are meant for discussion and advancement of theology as well human experiences limited to behaviour palnets. > > " jyotish scriptures as they exist now are perhaps not pure or complete, how can one justify that the same may be the case with the religious scriptures? " > > Perfectly this also fits into the frame work of Astrology as it is indicative but not a finality by itself thus leaving room to analyse and understand. > > where as religious scripture provided a limited arena and became secondary as derivatives and there is every scope here to be fallacious as beliefs are mass feelings and opinions and serve as quantitative aspects. > > Infact the currency of religion and validation depend on the practicality of the messengers of God sent to preach human beings.By being practical.down to earth they could succeed in snsitising the people and bring them into fold/group for continuity purpose.Their efforts for success have also elements veiled spirtuality that only came through scriptures.Infact any scripture han no element of religion.it is only in elaboaration the religious aspects dawned > > vrkrishnan > > --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > Re: Mercury Retrograde > > > > Thursday, June 11, 2009, 11:14 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dada, > > > > I hope you do not feel dissented by your cyber-chota bhai (as in brother kind and not Munna-bhai kind!) but just occupation? > > > > Perhaps you meant not the livelihood aspect or work that brings bread home etc but *OCCUPATION* -- what keeps the soul occupied! > > > > Perhaps the astrological " castes " are not about pride and arrogance (Good deeds done birth after birth hence amuk amuk was born as a priest or King [The real ones -- not thinking of prince CHARLES!] but just the potential that one must strive for. Since we hindus believe in reincarnation and hopefully a few other religions do too -- maybe the potential can evolve over several birth-times! > > > > The religions which do not overtly believe in or give credence to rebirths -- perhaps they are doing it for a pragmatic reason, at least when they were 'born' and it seemed the right thing to do given the social situations they were born in. When the environment and surroundings crush the spirit out of a PEOPLE, it makes little sense to teach them about other lifetimes and so on. Hence the Prophets sent to those were down to earth and PRAGMATIC and first raised their awareness to become human and then evolve. Sadly, sometimes followers stop at the words and do not rise to embrace the INTENT and the PROMISE! > > > > I do not wish to hurt or offend any person, let alone any religious belief but while on the one hand we publicly admit that jyotish scriptures as they exist now are perhaps not pure or complete, how can one justify that the same may be the case with the religious scriptures? > > > > Religious scriptures (any religion!) hopefuly must outdate astrology? If that is not the case and astrology is older, then when was the meaning of the 9th house introduced into it? And why?? > > > > Just a formicating thought! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Sir, > > > Becomes very good brahamin as he gets opportunity to serve as a priest and do good.Also Vishnu taking kurmavatar is iteslf to indicate that the caste are only for occupational purpose otherwise every thing in universe is brahmanam and with out any distinctions. hwere as the cults of Shaiva and Vaishnava is only to to identify themselves as different from others and to find sepearate patha/marg for the same purpose of realisation. otherwise brahmanda is endless and countless as represented Vishnu.In categorisation of occupation,lowest working class are represented by saturn.Also saturn provides occassion to serve masses and do socilal service and justice.when mercry goes close to sun retrogrades and looses track to baehave erratically by loosing stability.Saturn mercury along with venus join together in their tastes and approaches in life.All these planets in good house with strength are always there to do good and guide evry one properly in his > > endeavours > > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405@ ...> > > > Re: Mercury Retrograde > > > > > > Thursday, June 11, 2009, 8:49 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Venu > > > > > > Sani is given the category of sudra which signifies that they are the working class, but it does not means that they are not brahmins. Lord Kurma Devta represents sani in the Vaisnava Sampradhaya, Was Lord Kurma a Sudra??? He was Vishnu Avtar who was instrumental when the churning of Samundra Manthaan happened. When Sani is exalted & powerful in any chart, it makes native very good brahmin. > > > > > > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > > http://in.groups. / search?query= chandra-adityaas troremedies > > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ . co.in > > > To Subscribe > > > http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > > > For Professional Paid Consultancy send your mail/request for charges to > > > haresh1405 /hareshgnathani@ or call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > venu dhulipala <dhulipala_venu@ > > > > > > > Thursday, 11 June, 2009 12:58:12 PM > > > Re: Mercury Retrograde > > > > > > Hi Harry, > > > > > > Sani is brahmin? I heard Sani is Shudra. > > > > > > regards, > > > venu > > > > > > --- On Thu, 11/6/09, Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405> wrote: > > > > > > Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405> > > > Re: Mercury Retrograde > > > > > > Thursday, 11 June, 2009, 10:33 AM > > > > > > Dear Mountains > > > > > > Lordship of mercury of second house with mercury aspecting its own house, also debilated sani & surya aspecting 2nd house, association of mercury with 2nd house makes a native eat whatever they comes across, with debilated sani also aspecting its maha dasha on, tamsic food preference cannot be ignored. Sani is a brahmin but when debilated it gives a desire to hv tamsic food. Surya loves any kind of food but in a royal way, even tamsic food is taken, one prefers to go by one's own taste & preference. > > > > > > It is not retrograde mercury which makes u sick, sani MD currently & in transit sani aspecting ur lagna will make u sick, AD of surya also on & surya in ur 8th house in ur janma kundali does makes u feel sick. > > > > > > Debilated sani gives 2nd hand vehicles which is also the karak for cars, sani has no power, association of rahu & ketu with ur 4th house, certainly frequent car break downs are built in ur chart. > > > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > > http://in.groups. / search?query= chandra-adityaas troremedies > > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ . co..in > > > To Subscribe > > > http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > > > For Professional Paid Consultancy send your mail/request for charges to > > > haresh1405 /hareshgnathani@ ..com or call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > mountains22 <mountains22@ > > > > > > > Thursday, 11 June, 2009 7:40:46 AM > > > Mercury Retrograde > > > > > > I have noticed that every time Mercury retrogrades, I get physically sick. The illness last as long as the retrograde. Another negative side effect is that I have little motivation to do my sadana. I do not feel God's presence in my life. I also have a strong desire to eat tamasic foods.. The normal stuff that usually happens during the Mercury retrogrades, like my car breaking down, always happen to me. > > > > > > I was wondering if you can tell me why Mercury is malefic with me during the retrograde. And also, how can I remedy this situation. I know some people go through a hard time during the retrograde, but I go through an extremely hard time. I want this to end. > > > My Date of Birth is 12-23-1970 > > > Born in Livingston, New Jersey, USA > > > At 3:44 PM > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to http://in.promos. / groups/citygroup s/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Dear Krishnan ji, All Bhakti and idealism aside, the common sense reality probably is that the WORD that was revealed to Sages of Yore as most of us believe was not written down immediately perhaps. Many generations of 'shruti-tradition' and painstakingly careful transmission kept the WORD alive and literal, I am sure. Like all things human, pristine clarity became less and less nascent as time and generations " progressed? " and the original message perhaps got written somewhere around then. Over time and many social and spiritual upheavals thence, we have what we have! I am sure there must be more alternative views (Munde munde mati bhinna seems to be the curse of Jyotish at least!) RR , vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dear Sir, > Words that got converted into scripture by human effort some how seems to carry some authentication and the author assuming it he wrote things directly from mouth of God. > For any understanding or misunderstanding,becomes judgemental issue unless you a medium like Guru or father who if takes pains to eloberate,possibly the content will have unambiguity and and significance. > That is how any learning initiated through a Guru as Pratyaksha Diavam has been given importance over learning through other means lest it may be understood or understood.These beholders observation might also need some logic to say so. > vrkrishnan > --- On Fri, 6/12/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > Re: Mercury Retrograde > > Friday, June 12, 2009, 1:29 AM > > I think people sometimes get confused and equate scriptures with the WORD! > > The WORD was divine and was originally HEARD from GOD. Scriptures were later on written down by human beings! > > Hence the 'gap'! > > RR > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Probably it is mercury's uncertain behaviour of going into " retrogression " and " atichara " > > raise issues of qualitative aspects and are meant for discussion and advancement of theology as well human experiences limited to behaviour palnets. > > " jyotish scriptures as they exist now are perhaps not pure or complete, how can one justify that the same may be the case with the religious scriptures? " > > Perfectly this also fits into the frame work of Astrology as it is indicative but not a finality by itself thus leaving room to analyse and understand. > > where as religious scripture provided a limited arena and became secondary as derivatives and there is every scope here to be fallacious as beliefs are mass feelings and opinions and serve as quantitative aspects. > > Infact the currency of religion and validation depend on the practicality of the messengers of God sent to preach human beings.By being practical.down to earth they could succeed in snsitising the people and bring them into fold/group for continuity purpose.Their efforts for success have also elements veiled spirtuality that only came through scriptures.Infact any scripture han no element of religion.it is only in elaboaration the religious aspects dawned > > vrkrishnan > > --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > Re: Mercury Retrograde > > > > Thursday, June 11, 2009, 11:14 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dada, > > > > I hope you do not feel dissented by your cyber-chota bhai (as in brother kind and not Munna-bhai kind!) but just occupation? > > > > Perhaps you meant not the livelihood aspect or work that brings bread home etc but *OCCUPATION* -- what keeps the soul occupied! > > > > Perhaps the astrological " castes " are not about pride and arrogance (Good deeds done birth after birth hence amuk amuk was born as a priest or King [The real ones -- not thinking of prince CHARLES!] but just the potential that one must strive for. Since we hindus believe in reincarnation and hopefully a few other religions do too -- maybe the potential can evolve over several birth-times! > > > > The religions which do not overtly believe in or give credence to rebirths -- perhaps they are doing it for a pragmatic reason, at least when they were 'born' and it seemed the right thing to do given the social situations they were born in. When the environment and surroundings crush the spirit out of a PEOPLE, it makes little sense to teach them about other lifetimes and so on. Hence the Prophets sent to those were down to earth and PRAGMATIC and first raised their awareness to become human and then evolve. Sadly, sometimes followers stop at the words and do not rise to embrace the INTENT and the PROMISE! > > > > I do not wish to hurt or offend any person, let alone any religious belief but while on the one hand we publicly admit that jyotish scriptures as they exist now are perhaps not pure or complete, how can one justify that the same may be the case with the religious scriptures? > > > > Religious scriptures (any religion!) hopefuly must outdate astrology? If that is not the case and astrology is older, then when was the meaning of the 9th house introduced into it? And why?? > > > > Just a formicating thought! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Sir, > > > Becomes very good brahamin as he gets opportunity to serve as a priest and do good.Also Vishnu taking kurmavatar is iteslf to indicate that the caste are only for occupational purpose otherwise every thing in universe is brahmanam and with out any distinctions. hwere as the cults of Shaiva and Vaishnava is only to to identify themselves as different from others and to find sepearate patha/marg for the same purpose of realisation. otherwise brahmanda is endless and countless as represented Vishnu.In categorisation of occupation,lowest working class are represented by saturn.Also saturn provides occassion to serve masses and do socilal service and justice.when mercry goes close to sun retrogrades and looses track to baehave erratically by loosing stability.Saturn mercury along with venus join together in their tastes and approaches in life.All these planets in good house with strength are always there to do good and guide evry one properly in his > > endeavours > > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405@ ...> > > > Re: Mercury Retrograde > > > > > > Thursday, June 11, 2009, 8:49 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Venu > > > > > > Sani is given the category of sudra which signifies that they are the working class, but it does not means that they are not brahmins. Lord Kurma Devta represents sani in the Vaisnava Sampradhaya, Was Lord Kurma a Sudra??? He was Vishnu Avtar who was instrumental when the churning of Samundra Manthaan happened. When Sani is exalted & powerful in any chart, it makes native very good brahmin. > > > > > > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > > http://in.groups. / search?query= chandra-adityaas troremedies > > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ . co.in > > > To Subscribe > > > http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > > > For Professional Paid Consultancy send your mail/request for charges to > > > haresh1405 /hareshgnathani@ or call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > venu dhulipala <dhulipala_venu@ > > > > > > > Thursday, 11 June, 2009 12:58:12 PM > > > Re: Mercury Retrograde > > > > > > Hi Harry, > > > > > > Sani is brahmin? I heard Sani is Shudra. > > > > > > regards, > > > venu > > > > > > --- On Thu, 11/6/09, Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405> wrote: > > > > > > Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405> > > > Re: Mercury Retrograde > > > > > > Thursday, 11 June, 2009, 10:33 AM > > > > > > Dear Mountains > > > > > > Lordship of mercury of second house with mercury aspecting its own house, also debilated sani & surya aspecting 2nd house, association of mercury with 2nd house makes a native eat whatever they comes across, with debilated sani also aspecting its maha dasha on, tamsic food preference cannot be ignored. Sani is a brahmin but when debilated it gives a desire to hv tamsic food. Surya loves any kind of food but in a royal way, even tamsic food is taken, one prefers to go by one's own taste & preference. > > > > > > It is not retrograde mercury which makes u sick, sani MD currently & in transit sani aspecting ur lagna will make u sick, AD of surya also on & surya in ur 8th house in ur janma kundali does makes u feel sick. > > > > > > Debilated sani gives 2nd hand vehicles which is also the karak for cars, sani has no power, association of rahu & ketu with ur 4th house, certainly frequent car break downs are built in ur chart. > > > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > > http://in.groups. / search?query= chandra-adityaas troremedies > > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ . co..in > > > To Subscribe > > > http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > > > For Professional Paid Consultancy send your mail/request for charges to > > > haresh1405 /hareshgnathani@ ..com or call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > mountains22 <mountains22@ > > > > > > > Thursday, 11 June, 2009 7:40:46 AM > > > Mercury Retrograde > > > > > > I have noticed that every time Mercury retrogrades, I get physically sick. The illness last as long as the retrograde. Another negative side effect is that I have little motivation to do my sadana. I do not feel God's presence in my life. I also have a strong desire to eat tamasic foods.. The normal stuff that usually happens during the Mercury retrogrades, like my car breaking down, always happen to me. > > > > > > I was wondering if you can tell me why Mercury is malefic with me during the retrograde. And also, how can I remedy this situation. I know some people go through a hard time during the retrograde, but I go through an extremely hard time. I want this to end. > > > My Date of Birth is 12-23-1970 > > > Born in Livingston, New Jersey, USA > > > At 3:44 PM > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to http://in.promos. / groups/citygroup s/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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