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Dear RRji, Krishna ji and others in this thread,

 

has the case studies presented by Vinay ji any material we can see/comment on

Astrologically as this is itself a good start to put up some cases for a ref and

compare will try them myself this week end been away for a few days last week

end.

 

the coment on the Ashram, parents , natural sciences too have their own value

and can also shed light on different aspects of life forms our approach,

understanding of them

 

and the message on ashram change is a tough call for anyone and the more they

have to defend it makes it weaker for them sadly I hope members don't push him

on this regulalrly on this

 

and he can also put a link on this to any question he is asked to clarify

toooften than the subject by not our group members but other critics

 

PERSONALLY ON THE CASE STUDIES I ALSO HAD ASKED FOR A ENGLISH VERSION OF BPHS

CHOWKAMBA VERSION to be on the same page as he is to understand its technquies,

principles and slokas that direct the answer

 

as whatever he is using must be our aids as well. elsew we will end up comparing

chalk and cheese the risk is there from start i said as we r all using a diff

version of BPHS isnt it

 

he can quote whatever versions he has apart from chowkamba and say if these r

present there or not for a start

 

i will do the study myself soon

 

on death i have aBPHS showing 1 chapter dedicated to longevity that is chapt 19

HE HAD GIVEN 5 CHAPTER NOS in a diff msg to me

 

prashant

 

I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non

Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth

data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in

the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside

the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group

for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

/database?method=reportRows & tbl=6

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16

 

Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:47:54 PM

Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion

 

 

 

 

 

Good CASE STUDIES are being discussed !

 

<<< It is so easy for one to forget all about their parents, often on a

whim or other excuse -- perhaps destiny, and then they are tasked to

spend their entire remaining lifetime explaining to the world and often

strangers -- justifying their existence and their objectives and so on

..... ;-) >>>

 

Well said, in the characteristic " mild " style of Rohiniranjan Ji.

 

It is one thing to change one's ashrama but quite different to forget one's

parents in distress.

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com>

 

Wednesday, June 10, 2009 7:56:55 AM

Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion

 

Krishnan Dada,

 

It is so easy for one to forget all about their parents, often on a whim or

other excuse -- perhaps destiny, and then they are tasked to spend their entire

remaining lifetime explaining to the world and often strangers -- justifying

their existence and their objectives and so on ... ;-)

 

, vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Sir,

> it is Mother Nature first and the rest is for others to find their own

meanings for their satisfaction

> vrkrishnan

>

> --- On Sun, 6/7/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

>

>

> Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

> Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion

>

> Sunday, June 7, 2009, 12:10 AM

>

>

> I think now zoologists should join this thread because astrologers are not

interested in examining and discussing the detailed case studies I prepared.

>

> -VJ

>

> ============ ======= ====

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com>

>

> Sunday, June 7, 2009 8:24:40 AM

> Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion

>

> Dear Krishnan Dada,

>

> There is a saying amongst zoologists that states: Ontogeny follows Phyllogeny!

>

> The individual, generally speaking, it seems must grow within the bounds of

his or her 'kind'. Religions also interpret their role in our reality using a

similar adage or basic principle but not exactly in so many words.

>

> Schools of all kinds, some ethnocentric others wider too!

>

> In a sense this opening saying in this post describes cultures, I think! ALL

cultures!

>

> But the observant zoologist (One who is extremely interested in observing the

animals (ALL ANIMALS) in the ZOO) also remains alert because he/she has also

learned about and observed something known as mutation! It is questionable if it

is ultimately random and happenstance or in some ways it is how MOTHER NATURE

steps in and reminds us all who is the boss!

>

> Science can only take one in a certain direction, but astrology is yet another

perspective to create the cross-hairs that hone in on the target!

>

> RR

>

> , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> > After exhaustive study of BPHS by you,you say that excepting for

basics,(there are some interpolations( transalted versions?) found to be

dubious.

> > Your approach for surya siddhantic principles and the software innovated are

all good but case study is only for purpose for individual enlightenment and no

coercion at all.In any case mundane issues always help us for our basic

understanding of software and to test the fficacy of system.

> > vrkrishnan

> >

> > --- On Wed, 6/3/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

> > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion

> >

> > Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 6:19 AM

> >

> >

> >

> > To All,

> >

> > I was pressed to present Case Studies. Now what is the problem in discussing

and proving Suryasiddhanta to be wrong, which proves accurate in 100% cases in

all these case studies ? I have consistently followed BPHS and Suryasiddhanta.

Please find fault in my approach. It is a request to civil members, and a

challenge to abusers of Suryasiddhanta.

> >

> > I have given links of official rainfall data. Anyone can check my method. It

is not only a case of mundane astrology, because I used BPHS rules of individual

horoscopy to interpret the solar transit charts. 100% accuracy of Suryasiddhanta

also means that BPHS is also 100% accurate (esp its basics, excluding some

dubious portions which may be interpolations, which have no relevance in my case

studies).

> >

> > I will present individual case studies also, for which I am searching for

reliable data which could not be challenged as my manipulations. 100%

impartiality and 100% scientific approach towards astrology proves

Suryasiddhanta and BPHS to be 100% correct. It does not mean other approaches

are wrong, because Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS in phalita are only

surviving apaurusheya or Rishi-made texts which treat astrology comprehensively

(Jaimini Sutra is incomplete : only two chapters are extant, while 98 chapters

of BPHS have survived out of original 100. All other approaches are later

developments which owe their correctness to Suryasiddhanta and BPHS, and related

texts. No single text contains complete Suryasiddhanta or complete BPHS. Much

has been lost during millenia of transmission, and their are interpolations too.

Other texts help us in reconstruction of Vedic-puranic tradition of Jyotisha

whose mainstay is Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS

in

> > phalita.

> >

> > -Vinay Jha.

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > vattem krishnan <bursar_99 >

> >

> > Wednesday, June 3, 2009 1:44:05 PM

> > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion

> >

> > Dear Vinay Ji,Arjun Ji and all senior members,

> > Surya Siddhanta being a classical approach we have no doubts in it's

reliability or being made as a base for several Almanacs in the country.

> > The laudable effort of Shri Vinayaji lies in making it's application

internet savy and also considers munadane applications as it's obejectivity

guiding the all human beings in the welfare of the state.

> > I know individual chart have their own inconsistencies in what ever way we

derive through physical movements of planets as is being done or otherwise.

> > Now Ayanamsa that comes to fore basically on account physical movement of

planets can not be neagated till some more as we get access to case charts and

study difference between two obvious approaches.Fortunat ely we have Mercury at

last turning direct that helps every one of us in saving our time as issues are

likely to be less misunderstood or no effort to think only interms of read

between lines.

> > case studies are always of immense value as it provides an opportunity to

understand in great details.

> > Astrologer,after all need data and it's dissemination interms of planetary

results.We alway find people rushing to Astrologers but interpretation given

were always interrogated in terms of consistency. This is where our mutaul

perspectives and understanding of the basic principles of jyotish will help us

> > vrkrishnan

> >

> > --- On Tue, 6/2/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote:

> >

> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ >

> > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion

> >

> > Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 9:35 PM

> >

> > dear vinayji

> >

> > firstly i appreciate your approach to the audience by furnishing them with

case studies. your seeking shortcomings and suggestions for improvement is the

positive spirit of a researcher.

> >

> > since i learnt astrology in north india and studied most texts only in hindi

and sanskrit, let me also inform the audience that surya siddhanta is the base

for almost all panchangas in the cow belt including the government of india

published one. this makes surya siddhanta as an accepted base of astronomy and

we find its references as bases in MANY government of india websites and

scientific organisations that gauge astronomy and are involved into panchanga.

> >

> > if i read the initial reaction mails to yours earlier, the audience felt the

base of your software viz. surya siddhanta as something cooked in your kitchen

or picked from some remote corner not familiar and accepted elsewhere. am aware

that most kashi pandits (astrologers) and BHU uses this surya siddhanta. if

other softwares base on something else in other geographies, it is fine but they

shall not find surya siddhanta as alien and unacceptable.

> >

> > the modern audience with vast resources of internt available at fingertips,

would be convinced not by telling from our mouth but by furnishing them the

accepted published references, substantiations and corroborations. accordingly,

you are requested to publish the names of all government of india organisations

and publications that clearly mention surya siddhanta as their base for

astronomy and also for panchanga forecast so that natives find it easier to get

convinced about the acceptance of the surya siddhanta in the first place.

> >

> > with best wishes and blessings

> > pandit arjun

> > www.rudraksahremedy .com

> >

> > , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > To All :

> > >

> > > 20 Case Studies have been placed at Click_Here

> > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Annual+Rains+ -2+%3A+Worst+

Years>

> > > . Ten best and ten worst years in the recorded history of Indian

> > > Monsoons have been astrologically analyzed according to easiest and

> > > basic rules of individual horodcopy, esp of Parashara (BPHS). Comparison

> > > of Suryasiddhantic and modern astronomical charts have been carried out.

> > >

> > > Please point out the shortcomings. I will try to improve the

> > > presentation according to suggestions.

> > >

> > > Four individual case studies of Death are Click_Here

> > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Prediction+ of+Death> .

> > >

> > > One individual case study of Brain Damage is Click_Here

> > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Brain+Damage> .

> > >

> > > One case study of Aircraft Crash is Click_Here

> > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Aircraft+ Crash+AF447> , which is

> > > a summary of 18 detailed mundane charts.

> > >

> > > In addition to these 26 case studies, I will try to put more.

> > >

> > > -Vinay Jha

> > > ============ ======= =====

> > >

 

 

 

 

 

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Prashant Ji and others,

 

There is no English version of Chowkhamba edition. The original Sanskrit verses

of Chowkhamba edition are based upon a large number of manuscripts, unlike the

online version whiich is based on a single modern manuscript and this modern

manuscript differs from Chowkhamba edition in 100% verses ! But the online

version is a redaction by some good pandit who changed the language, but in most

of the cases did not change the meaning. Hence, online English version may be

used with the Sanskrit verses of Chowkhamba edition, perhaps less than 1% verses

in online English version are misfits. I have already started the project on

BPHS with the help of pandits in Varanasi, Allahabad and elsewhere. In many

cases, Chowkhamba edition and online English version have same verse number but

a difference of one in number of chapter.

 

<<< " on death i have aBPHS showing 1 chapter dedicated to longevity that is

chapt 19 HE HAD GIVEN 5 CHAPTER NOS in a diff msg to me " >>>

 

Chapter 19 online (20 in Chowkhamba edition) is concerned with long and shorta

longevity yogas. The main chapter on Aayu is chapter-44 in Chowkhamba edition

and the method of computing longevity is discussed in detail here, which is also

found in Jaimini. I used that method which is common to BPHS and Jaimini. In

BPHS, many other chapters also contain important yogas concerning longevity. GB

Prashant Ji will fine these in online version of BPHS too, with a difference of

one in champer numbering.

 

I wonder why the thread on Case Studies, which was demanded from me, is being

diverted to other topics. Members can discuss ashrama, parents, etc in separate

threads. They can also lodge " complaints " sanyaasis for not caring for their

parents (I have none alive, and when they were alive I cared for them because

parents are also human beings like others who should be looked after when in

distress). In Kaliyuga some " grihasthas " who do not follow the rules of their

own ashrama want to obliterate sanyaasis from everywhere, including internet.

Vaanaprasthis and sanyaasis will be jailed if they " capture " forests illegally,

and " grihasthas " will not give them peace : where should they go ?

 

-VJ

===================== ========

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

 

Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:52:17 AM

Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion 11/6

 

 

 

 

 

Dear RRji, Krishna ji and others in this thread,

 

has the case studies presented by Vinay ji any material we can see/comment on

Astrologically as this is itself a good start to put up some cases for a ref and

compare will try them myself this week end been away for a few days last week

end.

 

the coment on the Ashram, parents , natural sciences too have their own value

and can also shed light on different aspects of life forms our approach,

understanding of them

 

and the message on ashram change is a tough call for anyone and the more they

have to defend it makes it weaker for them sadly I hope members don't push him

on this regulalrly on this

 

and he can also put a link on this to any question he is asked to clarify

toooften than the subject by not our group members but other critics

 

PERSONALLY ON THE CASE STUDIES I ALSO HAD ASKED FOR A ENGLISH VERSION OF BPHS

CHOWKAMBA VERSION to be on the same page as he is to understand its technquies,

principles and slokas that direct the answer

 

as whatever he is using must be our aids as well. elsew we will end up comparing

chalk and cheese the risk is there from start i said as we r all using a diff

version of BPHS isnt it

 

he can quote whatever versions he has apart from chowkamba and say if these r

present there or not for a start

 

i will do the study myself soon

 

on death i have aBPHS showing 1 chapter dedicated to longevity that is chapt 19

HE HAD GIVEN 5 CHAPTER NOS in a diff msg to me

 

prashant

 

I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non

Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth

data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in

the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside

the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group

for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow

s & tbl=6

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ >

 

Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:47:54 PM

Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion

 

Good CASE STUDIES are being discussed !

 

<<< It is so easy for one to forget all about their parents, often on a

whim or other excuse -- perhaps destiny, and then they are tasked to

spend their entire remaining lifetime explaining to the world and often

strangers -- justifying their existence and their objectives and so on

...... ;-) >>>

 

Well said, in the characteristic " mild " style of Rohiniranjan Ji.

 

It is one thing to change one's ashrama but quite different to forget one's

parents in distress.

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com>

 

Wednesday, June 10, 2009 7:56:55 AM

Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion

 

Krishnan Dada,

 

It is so easy for one to forget all about their parents, often on a whim or

other excuse -- perhaps destiny, and then they are tasked to spend their entire

remaining lifetime explaining to the world and often strangers -- justifying

their existence and their objectives and so on ... ;-)

 

, vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Sir,

> it is Mother Nature first and the rest is for others to find their own

meanings for their satisfaction

> vrkrishnan

>

> --- On Sun, 6/7/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

>

>

> Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

> Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion

>

> Sunday, June 7, 2009, 12:10 AM

>

>

> I think now zoologists should join this thread because astrologers are not

interested in examining and discussing the detailed case studies I prepared.

>

> -VJ

>

> ============ ======= ====

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com>

>

> Sunday, June 7, 2009 8:24:40 AM

> Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion

>

> Dear Krishnan Dada,

>

> There is a saying amongst zoologists that states: Ontogeny follows Phyllogeny!

>

> The individual, generally speaking, it seems must grow within the bounds of

his or her 'kind'. Religions also interpret their role in our reality using a

similar adage or basic principle but not exactly in so many words.

>

> Schools of all kinds, some ethnocentric others wider too!

>

> In a sense this opening saying in this post describes cultures, I think! ALL

cultures!

>

> But the observant zoologist (One who is extremely interested in observing the

animals (ALL ANIMALS) in the ZOO) also remains alert because he/she has also

learned about and observed something known as mutation! It is questionable if it

is ultimately random and happenstance or in some ways it is how MOTHER NATURE

steps in and reminds us all who is the boss!

>

> Science can only take one in a certain direction, but astrology is yet another

perspective to create the cross-hairs that hone in on the target!

>

> RR

>

> , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> > After exhaustive study of BPHS by you,you say that excepting for

basics,(there are some interpolations( transalted versions?) found to be

dubious.

> > Your approach for surya siddhantic principles and the software innovated are

all good but case study is only for purpose for individual enlightenment and no

coercion at all.In any case mundane issues always help us for our basic

understanding of software and to test the fficacy of system.

> > vrkrishnan

> >

> > --- On Wed, 6/3/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

> > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion

> >

> > Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 6:19 AM

> >

> >

> >

> > To All,

> >

> > I was pressed to present Case Studies. Now what is the problem in discussing

and proving Suryasiddhanta to be wrong, which proves accurate in 100% cases in

all these case studies ? I have consistently followed BPHS and Suryasiddhanta.

Please find fault in my approach. It is a request to civil members, and a

challenge to abusers of Suryasiddhanta.

> >

> > I have given links of official rainfall data. Anyone can check my method. It

is not only a case of mundane astrology, because I used BPHS rules of individual

horoscopy to interpret the solar transit charts. 100% accuracy of Suryasiddhanta

also means that BPHS is also 100% accurate (esp its basics, excluding some

dubious portions which may be interpolations, which have no relevance in my case

studies).

> >

> > I will present individual case studies also, for which I am searching for

reliable data which could not be challenged as my manipulations. 100%

impartiality and 100% scientific approach towards astrology proves

Suryasiddhanta and BPHS to be 100% correct. It does not mean other approaches

are wrong, because Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS in phalita are only

surviving apaurusheya or Rishi-made texts which treat astrology comprehensively

(Jaimini Sutra is incomplete : only two chapters are extant, while 98 chapters

of BPHS have survived out of original 100. All other approaches are later

developments which owe their correctness to Suryasiddhanta and BPHS, and related

texts. No single text contains complete Suryasiddhanta or complete BPHS. Much

has been lost during millenia of transmission, and their are interpolations too.

Other texts help us in reconstruction of Vedic-puranic tradition of Jyotisha

whose mainstay is Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS

in

> > phalita.

> >

> > -Vinay Jha.

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > vattem krishnan <bursar_99 >

> >

> > Wednesday, June 3, 2009 1:44:05 PM

> > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion

> >

> > Dear Vinay Ji,Arjun Ji and all senior members,

> > Surya Siddhanta being a classical approach we have no doubts in it's

reliability or being made as a base for several Almanacs in the country.

> > The laudable effort of Shri Vinayaji lies in making it's application

internet savy and also considers munadane applications as it's obejectivity

guiding the all human beings in the welfare of the state.

> > I know individual chart have their own inconsistencies in what ever way we

derive through physical movements of planets as is being done or otherwise.

> > Now Ayanamsa that comes to fore basically on account physical movement of

planets can not be neagated till some more as we get access to case charts and

study difference between two obvious approaches.Fortunat ely we have Mercury at

last turning direct that helps every one of us in saving our time as issues are

likely to be less misunderstood or no effort to think only interms of read

between lines.

> > case studies are always of immense value as it provides an opportunity to

understand in great details.

> > Astrologer,after all need data and it's dissemination interms of planetary

results.We alway find people rushing to Astrologers but interpretation given

were always interrogated in terms of consistency. This is where our mutaul

perspectives and understanding of the basic principles of jyotish will help us

> > vrkrishnan

> >

> > --- On Tue, 6/2/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote:

> >

> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ >

> > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion

> >

> > Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 9:35 PM

> >

> > dear vinayji

> >

> > firstly i appreciate your approach to the audience by furnishing them with

case studies. your seeking shortcomings and suggestions for improvement is the

positive spirit of a researcher.

> >

> > since i learnt astrology in north india and studied most texts only in hindi

and sanskrit, let me also inform the audience that surya siddhanta is the base

for almost all panchangas in the cow belt including the government of india

published one. this makes surya siddhanta as an accepted base of astronomy and

we find its references as bases in MANY government of india websites and

scientific organisations that gauge astronomy and are involved into panchanga.

> >

> > if i read the initial reaction mails to yours earlier, the audience felt the

base of your software viz. surya siddhanta as something cooked in your kitchen

or picked from some remote corner not familiar and accepted elsewhere. am aware

that most kashi pandits (astrologers) and BHU uses this surya siddhanta. if

other softwares base on something else in other geographies, it is fine but they

shall not find surya siddhanta as alien and unacceptable.

> >

> > the modern audience with vast resources of internt available at fingertips,

would be convinced not by telling from our mouth but by furnishing them the

accepted published references, substantiations and corroborations. accordingly,

you are requested to publish the names of all government of india organisations

and publications that clearly mention surya siddhanta as their base for

astronomy and also for panchanga forecast so that natives find it easier to get

convinced about the acceptance of the surya siddhanta in the first place.

> >

> > with best wishes and blessings

> > pandit arjun

> > www.rudraksahremedy .com

> >

> > , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > To All :

> > >

> > > 20 Case Studies have been placed at Click_Here

> > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Annual+Rains+ -2+%3A+Worst+

Years>

> > > . Ten best and ten worst years in the recorded history of Indian

> > > Monsoons have been astrologically analyzed according to easiest and

> > > basic rules of individual horodcopy, esp of Parashara (BPHS). Comparison

> > > of Suryasiddhantic and modern astronomical charts have been carried out.

> > >

> > > Please point out the shortcomings. I will try to improve the

> > > presentation according to suggestions.

> > >

> > > Four individual case studies of Death are Click_Here

> > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Prediction+ of+Death> .

> > >

> > > One individual case study of Brain Damage is Click_Here

> > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Brain+Damage> .

> > >

> > > One case study of Aircraft Crash is Click_Here

> > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Aircraft+ Crash+AF447> , which is

> > > a summary of 18 detailed mundane charts.

> > >

> > > In addition to these 26 case studies, I will try to put more.

> > >

> > > -Vinay Jha

> > > ============ ======= =====

> > >

 

 

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