Guest guest Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Dear RRji, Krishna ji and others in this thread, has the case studies presented by Vinay ji any material we can see/comment on Astrologically as this is itself a good start to put up some cases for a ref and compare will try them myself this week end been away for a few days last week end. the coment on the Ashram, parents , natural sciences too have their own value and can also shed light on different aspects of life forms our approach, understanding of them and the message on ashram change is a tough call for anyone and the more they have to defend it makes it weaker for them sadly I hope members don't push him on this regulalrly on this and he can also put a link on this to any question he is asked to clarify toooften than the subject by not our group members but other critics PERSONALLY ON THE CASE STUDIES I ALSO HAD ASKED FOR A ENGLISH VERSION OF BPHS CHOWKAMBA VERSION to be on the same page as he is to understand its technquies, principles and slokas that direct the answer as whatever he is using must be our aids as well. elsew we will end up comparing chalk and cheese the risk is there from start i said as we r all using a diff version of BPHS isnt it he can quote whatever versions he has apart from chowkamba and say if these r present there or not for a start i will do the study myself soon on death i have aBPHS showing 1 chapter dedicated to longevity that is chapt 19 HE HAD GIVEN 5 CHAPTER NOS in a diff msg to me prashant I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. /database?method=reportRows & tbl=6 ________________________________ Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:47:54 PM Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion Good CASE STUDIES are being discussed ! <<< It is so easy for one to forget all about their parents, often on a whim or other excuse -- perhaps destiny, and then they are tasked to spend their entire remaining lifetime explaining to the world and often strangers -- justifying their existence and their objectives and so on ..... ;-) >>> Well said, in the characteristic " mild " style of Rohiniranjan Ji. It is one thing to change one's ashrama but quite different to forget one's parents in distress. ____________ _________ _________ __ Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> Wednesday, June 10, 2009 7:56:55 AM Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion Krishnan Dada, It is so easy for one to forget all about their parents, often on a whim or other excuse -- perhaps destiny, and then they are tasked to spend their entire remaining lifetime explaining to the world and often strangers -- justifying their existence and their objectives and so on ... ;-) , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Sir, > it is Mother Nature first and the rest is for others to find their own meanings for their satisfaction > vrkrishnan > > --- On Sun, 6/7/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > Sunday, June 7, 2009, 12:10 AM > > > I think now zoologists should join this thread because astrologers are not interested in examining and discussing the detailed case studies I prepared. > > -VJ > > ============ ======= ==== > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> > > Sunday, June 7, 2009 8:24:40 AM > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > Dear Krishnan Dada, > > There is a saying amongst zoologists that states: Ontogeny follows Phyllogeny! > > The individual, generally speaking, it seems must grow within the bounds of his or her 'kind'. Religions also interpret their role in our reality using a similar adage or basic principle but not exactly in so many words. > > Schools of all kinds, some ethnocentric others wider too! > > In a sense this opening saying in this post describes cultures, I think! ALL cultures! > > But the observant zoologist (One who is extremely interested in observing the animals (ALL ANIMALS) in the ZOO) also remains alert because he/she has also learned about and observed something known as mutation! It is questionable if it is ultimately random and happenstance or in some ways it is how MOTHER NATURE steps in and reminds us all who is the boss! > > Science can only take one in a certain direction, but astrology is yet another perspective to create the cross-hairs that hone in on the target! > > RR > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > After exhaustive study of BPHS by you,you say that excepting for basics,(there are some interpolations( transalted versions?) found to be dubious. > > Your approach for surya siddhantic principles and the software innovated are all good but case study is only for purpose for individual enlightenment and no coercion at all.In any case mundane issues always help us for our basic understanding of software and to test the fficacy of system. > > vrkrishnan > > > > --- On Wed, 6/3/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> > > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 6:19 AM > > > > > > > > To All, > > > > I was pressed to present Case Studies. Now what is the problem in discussing and proving Suryasiddhanta to be wrong, which proves accurate in 100% cases in all these case studies ? I have consistently followed BPHS and Suryasiddhanta. Please find fault in my approach. It is a request to civil members, and a challenge to abusers of Suryasiddhanta. > > > > I have given links of official rainfall data. Anyone can check my method. It is not only a case of mundane astrology, because I used BPHS rules of individual horoscopy to interpret the solar transit charts. 100% accuracy of Suryasiddhanta also means that BPHS is also 100% accurate (esp its basics, excluding some dubious portions which may be interpolations, which have no relevance in my case studies). > > > > I will present individual case studies also, for which I am searching for reliable data which could not be challenged as my manipulations. 100% impartiality and 100% scientific approach towards astrology proves Suryasiddhanta and BPHS to be 100% correct. It does not mean other approaches are wrong, because Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS in phalita are only surviving apaurusheya or Rishi-made texts which treat astrology comprehensively (Jaimini Sutra is incomplete : only two chapters are extant, while 98 chapters of BPHS have survived out of original 100. All other approaches are later developments which owe their correctness to Suryasiddhanta and BPHS, and related texts. No single text contains complete Suryasiddhanta or complete BPHS. Much has been lost during millenia of transmission, and their are interpolations too. Other texts help us in reconstruction of Vedic-puranic tradition of Jyotisha whose mainstay is Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS in > > phalita. > > > > -Vinay Jha. > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > Wednesday, June 3, 2009 1:44:05 PM > > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > Dear Vinay Ji,Arjun Ji and all senior members, > > Surya Siddhanta being a classical approach we have no doubts in it's reliability or being made as a base for several Almanacs in the country. > > The laudable effort of Shri Vinayaji lies in making it's application internet savy and also considers munadane applications as it's obejectivity guiding the all human beings in the welfare of the state. > > I know individual chart have their own inconsistencies in what ever way we derive through physical movements of planets as is being done or otherwise. > > Now Ayanamsa that comes to fore basically on account physical movement of planets can not be neagated till some more as we get access to case charts and study difference between two obvious approaches.Fortunat ely we have Mercury at last turning direct that helps every one of us in saving our time as issues are likely to be less misunderstood or no effort to think only interms of read between lines. > > case studies are always of immense value as it provides an opportunity to understand in great details. > > Astrologer,after all need data and it's dissemination interms of planetary results.We alway find people rushing to Astrologers but interpretation given were always interrogated in terms of consistency. This is where our mutaul perspectives and understanding of the basic principles of jyotish will help us > > vrkrishnan > > > > --- On Tue, 6/2/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 9:35 PM > > > > dear vinayji > > > > firstly i appreciate your approach to the audience by furnishing them with case studies. your seeking shortcomings and suggestions for improvement is the positive spirit of a researcher. > > > > since i learnt astrology in north india and studied most texts only in hindi and sanskrit, let me also inform the audience that surya siddhanta is the base for almost all panchangas in the cow belt including the government of india published one. this makes surya siddhanta as an accepted base of astronomy and we find its references as bases in MANY government of india websites and scientific organisations that gauge astronomy and are involved into panchanga. > > > > if i read the initial reaction mails to yours earlier, the audience felt the base of your software viz. surya siddhanta as something cooked in your kitchen or picked from some remote corner not familiar and accepted elsewhere. am aware that most kashi pandits (astrologers) and BHU uses this surya siddhanta. if other softwares base on something else in other geographies, it is fine but they shall not find surya siddhanta as alien and unacceptable. > > > > the modern audience with vast resources of internt available at fingertips, would be convinced not by telling from our mouth but by furnishing them the accepted published references, substantiations and corroborations. accordingly, you are requested to publish the names of all government of india organisations and publications that clearly mention surya siddhanta as their base for astronomy and also for panchanga forecast so that natives find it easier to get convinced about the acceptance of the surya siddhanta in the first place. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksahremedy .com > > > > , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > To All : > > > > > > 20 Case Studies have been placed at Click_Here > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Annual+Rains+ -2+%3A+Worst+ Years> > > > . Ten best and ten worst years in the recorded history of Indian > > > Monsoons have been astrologically analyzed according to easiest and > > > basic rules of individual horodcopy, esp of Parashara (BPHS). Comparison > > > of Suryasiddhantic and modern astronomical charts have been carried out. > > > > > > Please point out the shortcomings. I will try to improve the > > > presentation according to suggestions. > > > > > > Four individual case studies of Death are Click_Here > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Prediction+ of+Death> . > > > > > > One individual case study of Brain Damage is Click_Here > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Brain+Damage> . > > > > > > One case study of Aircraft Crash is Click_Here > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Aircraft+ Crash+AF447> , which is > > > a summary of 18 detailed mundane charts. > > > > > > In addition to these 26 case studies, I will try to put more. > > > > > > -Vinay Jha > > > ============ ======= ===== > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Prashant Ji and others, There is no English version of Chowkhamba edition. The original Sanskrit verses of Chowkhamba edition are based upon a large number of manuscripts, unlike the online version whiich is based on a single modern manuscript and this modern manuscript differs from Chowkhamba edition in 100% verses ! But the online version is a redaction by some good pandit who changed the language, but in most of the cases did not change the meaning. Hence, online English version may be used with the Sanskrit verses of Chowkhamba edition, perhaps less than 1% verses in online English version are misfits. I have already started the project on BPHS with the help of pandits in Varanasi, Allahabad and elsewhere. In many cases, Chowkhamba edition and online English version have same verse number but a difference of one in number of chapter. <<< " on death i have aBPHS showing 1 chapter dedicated to longevity that is chapt 19 HE HAD GIVEN 5 CHAPTER NOS in a diff msg to me " >>> Chapter 19 online (20 in Chowkhamba edition) is concerned with long and shorta longevity yogas. The main chapter on Aayu is chapter-44 in Chowkhamba edition and the method of computing longevity is discussed in detail here, which is also found in Jaimini. I used that method which is common to BPHS and Jaimini. In BPHS, many other chapters also contain important yogas concerning longevity. GB Prashant Ji will fine these in online version of BPHS too, with a difference of one in champer numbering. I wonder why the thread on Case Studies, which was demanded from me, is being diverted to other topics. Members can discuss ashrama, parents, etc in separate threads. They can also lodge " complaints " sanyaasis for not caring for their parents (I have none alive, and when they were alive I cared for them because parents are also human beings like others who should be looked after when in distress). In Kaliyuga some " grihasthas " who do not follow the rules of their own ashrama want to obliterate sanyaasis from everywhere, including internet. Vaanaprasthis and sanyaasis will be jailed if they " capture " forests illegally, and " grihasthas " will not give them peace : where should they go ? -VJ ===================== ======== ________________________________ Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:52:17 AM Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion 11/6 Dear RRji, Krishna ji and others in this thread, has the case studies presented by Vinay ji any material we can see/comment on Astrologically as this is itself a good start to put up some cases for a ref and compare will try them myself this week end been away for a few days last week end. the coment on the Ashram, parents , natural sciences too have their own value and can also shed light on different aspects of life forms our approach, understanding of them and the message on ashram change is a tough call for anyone and the more they have to defend it makes it weaker for them sadly I hope members don't push him on this regulalrly on this and he can also put a link on this to any question he is asked to clarify toooften than the subject by not our group members but other critics PERSONALLY ON THE CASE STUDIES I ALSO HAD ASKED FOR A ENGLISH VERSION OF BPHS CHOWKAMBA VERSION to be on the same page as he is to understand its technquies, principles and slokas that direct the answer as whatever he is using must be our aids as well. elsew we will end up comparing chalk and cheese the risk is there from start i said as we r all using a diff version of BPHS isnt it he can quote whatever versions he has apart from chowkamba and say if these r present there or not for a start i will do the study myself soon on death i have aBPHS showing 1 chapter dedicated to longevity that is chapt 19 HE HAD GIVEN 5 CHAPTER NOS in a diff msg to me prashant I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 ____________ _________ _________ __ Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:47:54 PM Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion Good CASE STUDIES are being discussed ! <<< It is so easy for one to forget all about their parents, often on a whim or other excuse -- perhaps destiny, and then they are tasked to spend their entire remaining lifetime explaining to the world and often strangers -- justifying their existence and their objectives and so on ...... ;-) >>> Well said, in the characteristic " mild " style of Rohiniranjan Ji. It is one thing to change one's ashrama but quite different to forget one's parents in distress. ____________ _________ _________ __ Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> Wednesday, June 10, 2009 7:56:55 AM Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion Krishnan Dada, It is so easy for one to forget all about their parents, often on a whim or other excuse -- perhaps destiny, and then they are tasked to spend their entire remaining lifetime explaining to the world and often strangers -- justifying their existence and their objectives and so on ... ;-) , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Sir, > it is Mother Nature first and the rest is for others to find their own meanings for their satisfaction > vrkrishnan > > --- On Sun, 6/7/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > Sunday, June 7, 2009, 12:10 AM > > > I think now zoologists should join this thread because astrologers are not interested in examining and discussing the detailed case studies I prepared. > > -VJ > > ============ ======= ==== > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> > > Sunday, June 7, 2009 8:24:40 AM > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > Dear Krishnan Dada, > > There is a saying amongst zoologists that states: Ontogeny follows Phyllogeny! > > The individual, generally speaking, it seems must grow within the bounds of his or her 'kind'. Religions also interpret their role in our reality using a similar adage or basic principle but not exactly in so many words. > > Schools of all kinds, some ethnocentric others wider too! > > In a sense this opening saying in this post describes cultures, I think! ALL cultures! > > But the observant zoologist (One who is extremely interested in observing the animals (ALL ANIMALS) in the ZOO) also remains alert because he/she has also learned about and observed something known as mutation! It is questionable if it is ultimately random and happenstance or in some ways it is how MOTHER NATURE steps in and reminds us all who is the boss! > > Science can only take one in a certain direction, but astrology is yet another perspective to create the cross-hairs that hone in on the target! > > RR > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > After exhaustive study of BPHS by you,you say that excepting for basics,(there are some interpolations( transalted versions?) found to be dubious. > > Your approach for surya siddhantic principles and the software innovated are all good but case study is only for purpose for individual enlightenment and no coercion at all.In any case mundane issues always help us for our basic understanding of software and to test the fficacy of system. > > vrkrishnan > > > > --- On Wed, 6/3/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> > > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 6:19 AM > > > > > > > > To All, > > > > I was pressed to present Case Studies. Now what is the problem in discussing and proving Suryasiddhanta to be wrong, which proves accurate in 100% cases in all these case studies ? I have consistently followed BPHS and Suryasiddhanta. Please find fault in my approach. It is a request to civil members, and a challenge to abusers of Suryasiddhanta. > > > > I have given links of official rainfall data. Anyone can check my method. It is not only a case of mundane astrology, because I used BPHS rules of individual horoscopy to interpret the solar transit charts. 100% accuracy of Suryasiddhanta also means that BPHS is also 100% accurate (esp its basics, excluding some dubious portions which may be interpolations, which have no relevance in my case studies). > > > > I will present individual case studies also, for which I am searching for reliable data which could not be challenged as my manipulations. 100% impartiality and 100% scientific approach towards astrology proves Suryasiddhanta and BPHS to be 100% correct. It does not mean other approaches are wrong, because Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS in phalita are only surviving apaurusheya or Rishi-made texts which treat astrology comprehensively (Jaimini Sutra is incomplete : only two chapters are extant, while 98 chapters of BPHS have survived out of original 100. All other approaches are later developments which owe their correctness to Suryasiddhanta and BPHS, and related texts. No single text contains complete Suryasiddhanta or complete BPHS. Much has been lost during millenia of transmission, and their are interpolations too. Other texts help us in reconstruction of Vedic-puranic tradition of Jyotisha whose mainstay is Suryasiddhanta in Ganita and BPHS in > > phalita. > > > > -Vinay Jha. > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > Wednesday, June 3, 2009 1:44:05 PM > > Re: Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > Dear Vinay Ji,Arjun Ji and all senior members, > > Surya Siddhanta being a classical approach we have no doubts in it's reliability or being made as a base for several Almanacs in the country. > > The laudable effort of Shri Vinayaji lies in making it's application internet savy and also considers munadane applications as it's obejectivity guiding the all human beings in the welfare of the state. > > I know individual chart have their own inconsistencies in what ever way we derive through physical movements of planets as is being done or otherwise. > > Now Ayanamsa that comes to fore basically on account physical movement of planets can not be neagated till some more as we get access to case charts and study difference between two obvious approaches.Fortunat ely we have Mercury at last turning direct that helps every one of us in saving our time as issues are likely to be less misunderstood or no effort to think only interms of read between lines. > > case studies are always of immense value as it provides an opportunity to understand in great details. > > Astrologer,after all need data and it's dissemination interms of planetary results.We alway find people rushing to Astrologers but interpretation given were always interrogated in terms of consistency. This is where our mutaul perspectives and understanding of the basic principles of jyotish will help us > > vrkrishnan > > > > --- On Tue, 6/2/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote: > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > > Re: CASE STUDIES for discussion > > > > Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 9:35 PM > > > > dear vinayji > > > > firstly i appreciate your approach to the audience by furnishing them with case studies. your seeking shortcomings and suggestions for improvement is the positive spirit of a researcher. > > > > since i learnt astrology in north india and studied most texts only in hindi and sanskrit, let me also inform the audience that surya siddhanta is the base for almost all panchangas in the cow belt including the government of india published one. this makes surya siddhanta as an accepted base of astronomy and we find its references as bases in MANY government of india websites and scientific organisations that gauge astronomy and are involved into panchanga. > > > > if i read the initial reaction mails to yours earlier, the audience felt the base of your software viz. surya siddhanta as something cooked in your kitchen or picked from some remote corner not familiar and accepted elsewhere. am aware that most kashi pandits (astrologers) and BHU uses this surya siddhanta. if other softwares base on something else in other geographies, it is fine but they shall not find surya siddhanta as alien and unacceptable. > > > > the modern audience with vast resources of internt available at fingertips, would be convinced not by telling from our mouth but by furnishing them the accepted published references, substantiations and corroborations. accordingly, you are requested to publish the names of all government of india organisations and publications that clearly mention surya siddhanta as their base for astronomy and also for panchanga forecast so that natives find it easier to get convinced about the acceptance of the surya siddhanta in the first place. > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > pandit arjun > > www.rudraksahremedy .com > > > > , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > To All : > > > > > > 20 Case Studies have been placed at Click_Here > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Annual+Rains+ -2+%3A+Worst+ Years> > > > . Ten best and ten worst years in the recorded history of Indian > > > Monsoons have been astrologically analyzed according to easiest and > > > basic rules of individual horodcopy, esp of Parashara (BPHS). Comparison > > > of Suryasiddhantic and modern astronomical charts have been carried out. > > > > > > Please point out the shortcomings. I will try to improve the > > > presentation according to suggestions. > > > > > > Four individual case studies of Death are Click_Here > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Prediction+ of+Death> . > > > > > > One individual case study of Brain Damage is Click_Here > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Brain+Damage> . > > > > > > One case study of Aircraft Crash is Click_Here > > > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Aircraft+ Crash+AF447> , which is > > > a summary of 18 detailed mundane charts. > > > > > > In addition to these 26 case studies, I will try to put more. > > > > > > -Vinay Jha > > > ============ ======= ===== > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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