Guest guest Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 And while I have *your* attention, the " gutthi " can be extended to the big Divide of recent centuries: RACE! A taxonomist might say that what we call the different races, white, black, yellow etc (commonplace terms though there may be more technical terms for them used by socio-anthropologists) are really not as far apart to be called different! But even those cannot be perfectly identified in a chart. A chart would not tell you if the nativity was born white, brown or whatever! You might have better chances by guessing it from the birthplace, although it is getting more difficult increasingly! And yet, uncannily so, one may have better success if one looks at the matter of other races and cultures astrologically! There are indicators which may indicate association with 'other' cultures and 'races'. Astrology, perhaps is about 'relativity' and not absoluteness! In the biological system, there are sensors within our body that sense such relative shifts, or changes even though they may not be able to tell the absolute and exact value: temperature, carbon dioxide, pressures, glucose, etc etc etc! The study of human experience through astrology remains incomplete without learning about the human being! Its physics, chemistry, biology, sociology, geneology! As opposed to trying to understand the human being through a study of its environment which can change and is not even reliably defined! Rohiniranjan , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Venu, > > It is true that in jyotish texts astro-factors have been classified according to the four castes but it is not necessarily a literal association. If such were the case then astrologers would be able to tell from the chart which caste the nativity belongs to. Someone once told me that Chanakya had saturn rising (in cancer rashi if I recall correctly). > > Leave aside the caste system with four possibilities, Astrologers would have less than perfect scores if they were give a bunch of blind charts and were asked to identify genders of the nativities! > > This is not to denigrate astrology or astrologers but just a down to earth statement. We hear all kinds of bravados about this or that system and this is nothing new. It has been going on in Jyotish for as long as I can remember. Every few years someone brings out the Holy Grail. In the past ofcourse astrologers used to provide more examples than verbiage around their claims. > > Kaliyuga indeed! > > Rohiniranjan > > > , venu dhulipala <dhulipala_venu@> wrote: > > > > Hi Harry, > > > > Sani is brahmin? I heard Sani is Shudra. > > > > regards, > > venu > > > > --- On Thu, 11/6/09, Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405@> wrote: > > > > > > Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405@> > > Re: Mercury Retrograde > > > > Thursday, 11 June, 2009, 10:33 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mountains > > > > Lordship of mercury of second house with mercury aspecting its own house, also debilated sani & surya aspecting 2nd house, association of mercury with 2nd house makes a native eat whatever they comes across, with debilated sani also aspecting its maha dasha on, tamsic food preference cannot be ignored. Sani is a brahmin but when debilated it gives a desire to hv tamsic food. Surya loves any kind of food but in a royal way, even tamsic food is taken, one prefers to go by one's own taste & preference. > > > > It is not retrograde mercury which makes u sick, sani MD currently & in transit sani aspecting ur lagna will make u sick, AD of surya also on & surya in ur 8th house in ur janma kundali does makes u feel sick. > > > > Debilated sani gives 2nd hand vehicles which is also the karak for cars, sani has no power, association of rahu & ketu with ur 4th house, certainly frequent car break downs are built in ur chart. > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > http://in.groups. / search?query= chandra-adityaas troremedies > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ . co.in > > To Subscribe > > http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > > For Professional Paid Consultancy send your mail/request for charges to > > haresh1405 /hareshgnathani@ or call +91 9867214103 > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > mountains22 <mountains22@ > > > > > Thursday, 11 June, 2009 7:40:46 AM > > Mercury Retrograde > > > > I have noticed that every time Mercury retrogrades, I get physically sick. The illness last as long as the retrograde. Another negative side effect is that I have little motivation to do my sadana. I do not feel God's presence in my life. I also have a strong desire to eat tamasic foods. The normal stuff that usually happens during the Mercury retrogrades, like my car breaking down, always happen to me. > > > > I was wondering if you can tell me why Mercury is malefic with me during the retrograde. And also, how can I remedy this situation. I know some people go through a hard time during the retrograde, but I go through an extremely hard time. I want this to end. > > My Date of Birth is 12-23-1970 > > Born in Livingston, New Jersey, USA > > At 3:44 PM > > > > Namaste > > > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to http://in.promos. / groups/citygroup s/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Dear Dada These are very interesting and inquistive questions that only makesAstrology more assimilative compared to other fields of knowledge. If we consider origing of Astrology has come through study of Environment as experienced and felt by human beings without naming them as seperate fields,the knowledge of planets becomes very very pertinent.But any link has been made to the social institution through 9th house is thepertinent. if 9th is Guru, teacher and also the father(elder person/head) the reason must be a human being has to be made be effective and social responsibilty aspect must be the cause to give significnace. Religion as such brings into focus element of choice with logic to consider what can shape up human being devoid of bad influences and project in their own way and define what is good and bad.Religions too tried to impress humans that they are all nimit matras and lives are very temporary and tried inculacate a fear of unknown to derive attention to the religion.where as ancient scriptures without touching into exteriors of human living aspecttired to deal with innate and purified thing as soul and braha which we call a spirtual aspects.But these terminologies that have been revealed through importantly three maina house whic we know as lagna,5th as we know of connectivity of past with present and finally the visible aspect of present learnt through Guru,father as Dharma and the institution aroun with the frame work of good and bad preched through pastors/parvaktas/Mata Gurus/finally sergeants of religions to asses the extent of bondship between human beings. " The study of human experience through astrology remains incomplete without learning about the human being! " Any learning about fellow human being is only through the Guru.father and here we are not considering mother as her role was always invisible and behind the " parda " as giver of basic emotions and feelings. Having done this in a limited way and not very painstakingly to explore and come out any kind of analysis ,Guru has stepped into rolepaly to bring awareness to the humanbeing otherwise innocent and confused.Guru and father took up the role of media for any kind of study of environment. Their experiences as human beings and with the fear of unknown gradually turned to faiths and pravaktas to hear to them and to join together to initiate " a social momentum " to the otherwise docile human beings.Here Role of culture prevailing has come to into picture as how humans have adopted themselves to environment and the castes for divison of labour purpose helped one and all amking religion as easily penetratable issue into the mind and to find the influnce on human mind. _understand the human being through a study of its environment which can change and is not even reliably defined! Environment changes and it's reliability in the change and consequences to the changes being uncertain again it is the religion that grabbed situation to explain human beings how environment effects.Role of gender classification and bringing identity in their feelings and bind society into some role paly. These aspects though not covered openly but study of zodiacal system has taken into it's entiriety all that taxonomy that could be made into those days. So the issue whether scriptures are older or Astrology is older to scripture is an evolutionary aspect.Infact it is the scripture that revealed the role of Astrology can contribute,by study through environement by idetification of palnetes and their experiences. vrkrishnan --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan ADDENDUM! Thursday, June 11, 2009, 10:36 PM And while I have *your* attention, the " gutthi " can be extended to the big Divide of recent centuries: RACE! A taxonomist might say that what we call the different races, white, black, yellow etc (commonplace terms though there may be more technical terms for them used by socio-anthropologis ts) are really not as far apart to be called different! But even those cannot be perfectly identified in a chart. A chart would not tell you if the nativity was born white, brown or whatever! You might have better chances by guessing it from the birthplace, although it is getting more difficult increasingly! And yet, uncannily so, one may have better success if one looks at the matter of other races and cultures astrologically! There are indicators which may indicate association with 'other' cultures and 'races'. Astrology, perhaps is about 'relativity' and not absoluteness! In the biological system, there are sensors within our body that sense such relative shifts, or changes even though they may not be able to tell the absolute and exact value: temperature, carbon dioxide, pressures, glucose, etc etc etc! The study of human experience through astrology remains incomplete without learning about the human being! Its physics, chemistry, biology, sociology, geneology! As opposed to trying to understand the human being through a study of its environment which can change and is not even reliably defined! Rohiniranjan , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > Venu, > > It is true that in jyotish texts astro-factors have been classified according to the four castes but it is not necessarily a literal association. If such were the case then astrologers would be able to tell from the chart which caste the nativity belongs to. Someone once told me that Chanakya had saturn rising (in cancer rashi if I recall correctly). > > Leave aside the caste system with four possibilities, Astrologers would have less than perfect scores if they were give a bunch of blind charts and were asked to identify genders of the nativities! > > This is not to denigrate astrology or astrologers but just a down to earth statement. We hear all kinds of bravados about this or that system and this is nothing new. It has been going on in Jyotish for as long as I can remember. Every few years someone brings out the Holy Grail. In the past ofcourse astrologers used to provide more examples than verbiage around their claims. > > Kaliyuga indeed! > > Rohiniranjan > > > , venu dhulipala <dhulipala_venu@ > wrote: > > > > Hi Harry, > > > > Sani is brahmin? I heard Sani is Shudra. > > > > regards, > > venu > > > > --- On Thu, 11/6/09, Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405@ > wrote: > > > > > > Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405@ > > > Re: Mercury Retrograde > > > > Thursday, 11 June, 2009, 10:33 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mountains > > > > Lordship of mercury of second house with mercury aspecting its own house, also debilated sani & surya aspecting 2nd house, association of mercury with 2nd house makes a native eat whatever they comes across, with debilated sani also aspecting its maha dasha on, tamsic food preference cannot be ignored. Sani is a brahmin but when debilated it gives a desire to hv tamsic food. Surya loves any kind of food but in a royal way, even tamsic food is taken, one prefers to go by one's own taste & preference. > > > > It is not retrograde mercury which makes u sick, sani MD currently & in transit sani aspecting ur lagna will make u sick, AD of surya also on & surya in ur 8th house in ur janma kundali does makes u feel sick. > > > > Debilated sani gives 2nd hand vehicles which is also the karak for cars, sani has no power, association of rahu & ketu with ur 4th house, certainly frequent car break downs are built in ur chart. > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > http://in.groups. / search?query= chandra-adityaas troremedies > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ . co.in > > To Subscribe > > http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > > For Professional Paid Consultancy send your mail/request for charges to > > haresh1405 /hareshgnathani@ or call +91 9867214103 > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > mountains22 <mountains22@ > > > > > Thursday, 11 June, 2009 7:40:46 AM > > Mercury Retrograde > > > > I have noticed that every time Mercury retrogrades, I get physically sick. The illness last as long as the retrograde. Another negative side effect is that I have little motivation to do my sadana. I do not feel God's presence in my life. I also have a strong desire to eat tamasic foods. The normal stuff that usually happens during the Mercury retrogrades, like my car breaking down, always happen to me. > > > > I was wondering if you can tell me why Mercury is malefic with me during the retrograde. And also, how can I remedy this situation. I know some people go through a hard time during the retrograde, but I go through an extremely hard time. I want this to end. > > My Date of Birth is 12-23-1970 > > Born in Livingston, New Jersey, USA > > At 3:44 PM > > > > Namaste > > > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to http://in.promos. / groups/citygroup s/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Dear Rohinirajan Ji; I read with interest your postings. I am not an astrologer .. I am an engineer by profession and did my MBA. By nature I am analyst. I enjoy your reasoning and the way you explain astrology and for that matter human nature in general. By reading your postings I have developed respect for the issues which can not be readily analyzed mathematically or can not be easily explained by what is commonly termed as scientific deduction and scalability. I appreciate your knowledge and more importantly your ability to explain issues. Thanks Ashok Goswami --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan ADDENDUM! Thursday, June 11, 2009, 10:36 PM And while I have *your* attention, the " gutthi " can be extended to the big Divide of recent centuries: RACE! A taxonomist might say that what we call the different races, white, black, yellow etc (commonplace terms though there may be more technical terms for them used by socio-anthropologis ts) are really not as far apart to be called different! But even those cannot be perfectly identified in a chart. A chart would not tell you if the nativity was born white, brown or whatever! You might have better chances by guessing it from the birthplace, although it is getting more difficult increasingly! And yet, uncannily so, one may have better success if one looks at the matter of other races and cultures astrologically! There are indicators which may indicate association with 'other' cultures and 'races'. Astrology, perhaps is about 'relativity' and not absoluteness! In the biological system, there are sensors within our body that sense such relative shifts, or changes even though they may not be able to tell the absolute and exact value: temperature, carbon dioxide, pressures, glucose, etc etc etc! The study of human experience through astrology remains incomplete without learning about the human being! Its physics, chemistry, biology, sociology, geneology! As opposed to trying to understand the human being through a study of its environment which can change and is not even reliably defined! Rohiniranjan , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > Venu, > > It is true that in jyotish texts astro-factors have been classified according to the four castes but it is not necessarily a literal association. If such were the case then astrologers would be able to tell from the chart which caste the nativity belongs to. Someone once told me that Chanakya had saturn rising (in cancer rashi if I recall correctly). > > Leave aside the caste system with four possibilities, Astrologers would have less than perfect scores if they were give a bunch of blind charts and were asked to identify genders of the nativities! > > This is not to denigrate astrology or astrologers but just a down to earth statement. We hear all kinds of bravados about this or that system and this is nothing new. It has been going on in Jyotish for as long as I can remember. Every few years someone brings out the Holy Grail. In the past ofcourse astrologers used to provide more examples than verbiage around their claims. > > Kaliyuga indeed! > > Rohiniranjan > > > , venu dhulipala <dhulipala_venu@ > wrote: > > > > Hi Harry, > > > > Sani is brahmin? I heard Sani is Shudra. > > > > regards, > > venu > > > > --- On Thu, 11/6/09, Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405@ > wrote: > > > > > > Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405@ > > > Re: Mercury Retrograde > > > > Thursday, 11 June, 2009, 10:33 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mountains > > > > Lordship of mercury of second house with mercury aspecting its own house, also debilated sani & surya aspecting 2nd house, association of mercury with 2nd house makes a native eat whatever they comes across, with debilated sani also aspecting its maha dasha on, tamsic food preference cannot be ignored. Sani is a brahmin but when debilated it gives a desire to hv tamsic food. Surya loves any kind of food but in a royal way, even tamsic food is taken, one prefers to go by one's own taste & preference. > > > > It is not retrograde mercury which makes u sick, sani MD currently & in transit sani aspecting ur lagna will make u sick, AD of surya also on & surya in ur 8th house in ur janma kundali does makes u feel sick. > > > > Debilated sani gives 2nd hand vehicles which is also the karak for cars, sani has no power, association of rahu & ketu with ur 4th house, certainly frequent car break downs are built in ur chart. > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > http://in.groups. / search?query= chandra-adityaas troremedies > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ . co.in > > To Subscribe > > http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > > For Professional Paid Consultancy send your mail/request for charges to > > haresh1405 /hareshgnathani@ or call +91 9867214103 > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > mountains22 <mountains22@ > > > > > Thursday, 11 June, 2009 7:40:46 AM > > Mercury Retrograde > > > > I have noticed that every time Mercury retrogrades, I get physically sick. The illness last as long as the retrograde. Another negative side effect is that I have little motivation to do my sadana. I do not feel God's presence in my life. I also have a strong desire to eat tamasic foods. The normal stuff that usually happens during the Mercury retrogrades, like my car breaking down, always happen to me. > > > > I was wondering if you can tell me why Mercury is malefic with me during the retrograde. And also, how can I remedy this situation. I know some people go through a hard time during the retrograde, but I go through an extremely hard time. I want this to end. > > My Date of Birth is 12-23-1970 > > Born in Livingston, New Jersey, USA > > At 3:44 PM > > > > Namaste > > > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to http://in.promos. / groups/citygroup s/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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