Mercury Retrograde 12/6

June 12, 2009

Dear Krishna ji, RRji, Vinay ji and others

at least members here who have been part of groups for over a yr or more have

seen LIVE INSTANCES OF HOW A VAKRI BUDHA has lead to Vakri situations in the

form of ego clashes, threads going of tangents and losing the soul of a Jyotishi

and becoming mere mortals for a few days till the directioon got reversed so the

longer a member has been there the greater his appriciation of such instances is

there.

thus proving the scripture and the words with good effect are all timeless

realities. More we make adjustments in such times we justify the use and

benefits of such a great subject for our betterment alike with the members in

distress, or in need of guidence. else we stand on worse fotting than them who

are atleast having the BLISS OF IGNOREANCE OF THIS.

Prashant

________________________________

Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16

Friday, June 12, 2009 1:32:48 PM

Re: Mercury Retrograde

Another alternative reason :

I think people sometimes get confused and equate WORD with the texts written

down by human beings! No BOOK will be accepted as WORD by such people! Hence

the 'gap'!

Both alternatives work with opposite sets of people respectively.

-VJ

============ ========= === ===

____________ _________ _________ __

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com>

Friday, June 12, 2009 10:59:00 AM

Re: Mercury Retrograde

I think people sometimes get confused and equate scriptures with the WORD!

The WORD was divine and was originally HEARD from GOD. Scriptures were later on

written down by human beings!

Hence the 'gap'!

RR

, vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Probably it is mercury's uncertain behaviour of going into " retrogression " and

" atichara "

> raise issues of qualitative aspects and are meant for discussion and

advancement of theology as well human experiences limited to behaviour palnets.

> " jyotish scriptures as they exist now are perhaps not pure or complete, how

can one justify that the same may be the case with the religious scriptures? "

> Perfectly this also fits into the frame work of Astrology as it is indicative

but not a finality by itself thus leaving room to analyse and understand.

> where as religious scripture provided a limited arena and became secondary as

derivatives and there is every scope here to be fallacious as beliefs are mass

feelings and opinions and serve as quantitative aspects.

> Infact the currency of religion and validation depend on the practicality of

the messengers of God sent to preach human beings.By being practical.down to

earth they could succeed in snsitising the people and bring them into fold/group

for continuity purpose.Their efforts for success have also elements veiled

spirtuality that only came through scriptures.Infact any scripture han no

element of religion.it is only in elaboaration the religious aspects dawned

> vrkrishnan

> --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

>

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> Re: Mercury Retrograde

>

> Thursday, June 11, 2009, 11:14 PM

>

Dada,

>

> I hope you do not feel dissented by your cyber-chota bhai (as in brother kind

and not Munna-bhai kind!) but just occupation?

>

> Perhaps you meant not the livelihood aspect or work that brings bread home etc

but *OCCUPATION* -- what keeps the soul occupied!

>

> Perhaps the astrological " castes " are not about pride and arrogance (Good

deeds done birth after birth hence amuk amuk was born as a priest or King [The

real ones -- not thinking of prince CHARLES!] but just the potential that one

must strive for. Since we hindus believe in reincarnation and hopefully a few

other religions do too -- maybe the potential can evolve over several

birth-times!

>

> The religions which do not overtly believe in or give credence to rebirths --

perhaps they are doing it for a pragmatic reason, at least when they were 'born'

and it seemed the right thing to do given the social situations they were born

in. When the environment and surroundings crush the spirit out of a PEOPLE, it

makes little sense to teach them about other lifetimes and so on. Hence the

Prophets sent to those were down to earth and PRAGMATIC and first raised their

awareness to become human and then evolve. Sadly, sometimes followers stop at

the words and do not rise to embrace the INTENT and the PROMISE!

>

> I do not wish to hurt or offend any person, let alone any religious belief but

while on the one hand we publicly admit that jyotish scriptures as they exist

now are perhaps not pure or complete, how can one justify that the same may be

the case with the religious scriptures?

>

> Religious scriptures (any religion!) hopefuly must outdate astrology? If that

is not the case and astrology is older, then when was the meaning of the 9th

house introduced into it? And why??

>

> Just a formicating thought!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Sir,

> > Becomes very good brahamin as he gets opportunity to serve as a priest and

do good.Also Vishnu taking kurmavatar is iteslf to indicate that the caste are

only for occupational purpose otherwise every thing in universe is brahmanam and

with out any distinctions. hwere as the cults of Shaiva and Vaishnava is only to

to identify themselves as different from others and to find sepearate patha/marg

for the same purpose of realisation. otherwise brahmanda is endless and

countless as represented Vishnu.In categorisation of occupation,lowest working

class are represented by saturn.Also saturn provides occassion to serve masses

and do socilal service and justice.when mercry goes close to sun retrogrades and

looses track to baehave erratically by loosing stability.Saturn mercury along

with venus join together in their tastes and approaches in life.All these

planets in good house with strength are always there to do good and guide evry

one properly in his

> endeavours

> > vrkrishnan

> >

> > --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405@ ...>

> > Re: Mercury Retrograde

> >

> > Thursday, June 11, 2009, 8:49 AM

> >

> > Dear Venu

> >

> > Sani is given the category of sudra which signifies that they are the

working class, but it does not means that they are not brahmins. Lord Kurma

Devta represents sani in the Vaisnava Sampradhaya, Was Lord Kurma a Sudra??? He

was Vishnu Avtar who was instrumental when the churning of Samundra Manthaan

happened. When Sani is exalted & powerful in any chart, it makes native very

good brahmin.

> >

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> > venu dhulipala <dhulipala_venu@ >

> >

> > Thursday, 11 June, 2009 12:58:12 PM

> > Re: Mercury Retrograde

> >

> > Hi Harry,

> >

> > Sani is brahmin? I heard Sani is Shudra.

> >

> > regards,

> > venu

> >

> > --- On Thu, 11/6/09, Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405> wrote:

> >

> > Haresh (Harry) Nathani <haresh1405>

> > Re: Mercury Retrograde

> >

> > Thursday, 11 June, 2009, 10:33 AM

> >

> > Dear Mountains

> >

> > Lordship of mercury of second house with mercury aspecting its own house,

also debilated sani & surya aspecting 2nd house, association of mercury with 2nd

house makes a native eat whatever they comes across, with debilated sani also

aspecting its maha dasha on, tamsic food preference cannot be ignored. Sani is a

brahmin but when debilated it gives a desire to hv tamsic food. Surya loves any

kind of food but in a royal way, even tamsic food is taken, one prefers to go by

one's own taste & preference.

> >

> > It is not retrograde mercury which makes u sick, sani MD currently & in

transit sani aspecting ur lagna will make u sick, AD of surya also on & surya in

ur 8th house in ur janma kundali does makes u feel sick.

> >

> > Debilated sani gives 2nd hand vehicles which is also the karak for cars,

sani has no power, association of rahu & ketu with ur 4th house, certainly

frequent car break downs are built in ur chart.

> >

> > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103

> > http://in.groups. / search?query= chandra-adityaas troremedies

> > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ . co..in

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> > haresh1405 /hareshgnathani@ ..com or call +91 9867214103

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > mountains22 <mountains22@ >

> >

> > Thursday, 11 June, 2009 7:40:46 AM

> > Mercury Retrograde

> >

> > I have noticed that every time Mercury retrogrades, I get physically sick.

The illness last as long as the retrograde. Another negative side effect is that

I have little motivation to do my sadana. I do not feel God's presence in my

life. I also have a strong desire to eat tamasic foods.. The normal stuff that

usually happens during the Mercury retrogrades, like my car breaking down,

always happen to me.

> >

> > I was wondering if you can tell me why Mercury is malefic with me during the

retrograde. And also, how can I remedy this situation. I know some people go

through a hard time during the retrograde, but I go through an extremely hard

time. I want this to end.

> > My Date of Birth is 12-23-1970

> > Born in Livingston, New Jersey, USA

> > At 3:44 PM

> >

> > Namaste

> >

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> >

June 13, 2009

Dear Prashant Kumar ji,

I hope you are not concerned that some kind of 'trouble' is brewing in these

Prashant (Calm) waters of this wonderfully diverse forum ;-)

Please have no fear, at least not from me!

It is true that the name of the forum indicates that Jyotish Remedies and

readings are an important function of this forum but I do not think your members

would have any complaint on that ground. There are so many wonderful astrologers

who daily spend their time in serving that role.

There are many ways to serve jyotish and since it is not a homogenous body of

rules there will always be dissenting views and approaches and discussions

between mature astrophiles who are well-rounded and otherwise at peace with

themselves should not escalate into flame wars.

What more is there to say ...

RR

, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

wrote:

>

> Dear Krishna ji, RRji, Vinay ji and others

>

> at least members here who have been part of groups for over a yr or more have

seen LIVE INSTANCES OF HOW A VAKRI BUDHA has lead to Vakri situations in the

form of ego clashes, threads going of tangents and losing the soul of a Jyotishi

and becoming mere mortals for a few days till the directioon got reversed so the

longer a member has been there the greater his appriciation of such instances is

there.

>

> thus proving the scripture and the words with good effect are all timeless

realities. More we make adjustments in such times we justify the use and

benefits of such a great subject for our betterment alike with the members in

distress, or in need of guidence. else we stand on worse fotting than them who

are atleast having the BLISS OF IGNOREANCE OF THIS.

>

> Prashant

>

> ________________________________

> Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16

>

> Friday, June 12, 2009 1:32:48 PM

> Re: Mercury Retrograde

>

> Another alternative reason :

>

> I think people sometimes get confused and equate WORD with the texts written

down by human beings! No BOOK will be accepted as WORD by such people! Hence

the 'gap'!

>

> Both alternatives work with opposite sets of people respectively.

>

> -VJ

> ============ ========= === ===

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com>

>

> Friday, June 12, 2009 10:59:00 AM

> Re: Mercury Retrograde

>

> I think people sometimes get confused and equate scriptures with the WORD!

>

> The WORD was divine and was originally HEARD from GOD. Scriptures were later

on written down by human beings!

>

> Hence the 'gap'!

>

> RR

>

> , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Probably it is mercury's uncertain behaviour of going into " retrogression "

and " atichara "

> > raise issues of qualitative aspects and are meant for discussion and

advancement of theology as well human experiences limited to behaviour palnets.

> > " jyotish scriptures as they exist now are perhaps not pure or complete, how

can one justify that the same may be the case with the religious scriptures? "

> > Perfectly this also fits into the frame work of Astrology as it is

indicative but not a finality by itself thus leaving room to analyse and

understand.

> > where as religious scripture provided a limited arena and became secondary

as derivatives and there is every scope here to be fallacious as beliefs are

mass feelings and opinions and serve as quantitative aspects.

> > Infact the currency of religion and validation depend on the practicality of

the messengers of God sent to preach human beings.By being practical.down to

earth they could succeed in snsitising the people and bring them into fold/group

for continuity purpose.Their efforts for success have also elements veiled

spirtuality that only came through scriptures.Infact any scripture han no

element of religion.it is only in elaboaration the religious aspects dawned

> > vrkrishnan

> > --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > Re: Mercury Retrograde

> >

> > Thursday, June 11, 2009, 11:14 PM

> >

> > Dada,

> >

> > I hope you do not feel dissented by your cyber-chota bhai (as in brother

kind and not Munna-bhai kind!) but just occupation?

> >

> > Perhaps you meant not the livelihood aspect or work that brings bread home

etc but *OCCUPATION* -- what keeps the soul occupied!

> >

> > Perhaps the astrological " castes " are not about pride and arrogance (Good

deeds done birth after birth hence amuk amuk was born as a priest or King [The

real ones -- not thinking of prince CHARLES!] but just the potential that one

must strive for. Since we hindus believe in reincarnation and hopefully a few

other religions do too -- maybe the potential can evolve over several

birth-times!

> >

> > The religions which do not overtly believe in or give credence to rebirths

-- perhaps they are doing it for a pragmatic reason, at least when they were

'born' and it seemed the right thing to do given the social situations they were

born in. When the environment and surroundings crush the spirit out of a PEOPLE,

it makes little sense to teach them about other lifetimes and so on. Hence the

Prophets sent to those were down to earth and PRAGMATIC and first raised their

awareness to become human and then evolve. Sadly, sometimes followers stop at

the words and do not rise to embrace the INTENT and the PROMISE!

> >

> > I do not wish to hurt or offend any person, let alone any religious belief

but while on the one hand we publicly admit that jyotish scriptures as they

exist now are perhaps not pure or complete, how can one justify that the same

may be the case with the religious scriptures?

> >

> > Religious scriptures (any religion!) hopefuly must outdate astrology? If

that is not the case and astrology is older, then when was the meaning of the

9th house introduced into it? And why??

> >

> > Just a formicating thought!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Sir,

> > > Becomes very good brahamin as he gets opportunity to serve as a priest and