This perplexes me ... 13/6

June 13, 2009

Dear RR Ji,

well i guess u started right but finished it in doubt and haste/

If I understood the lives of the saints, Gurus/acharyas, sadhus etc apart from

the Mortals lives itself who spent best part of their lives in nature say

Brahamacharya avastha-the stage in which learning of all kinds in a socialistic

life style with education as a goal the togetherness with fellow students in

most cases was status equal amd their ;earmimg. expertise was put to test in the

capatilist world which was MOST;Y humane due to the socialistic backbone then ,

than now People earned with dignity, fair means and did also contribute to

sustain knowledge bases like village or local temple priests, astrologers,

Ayurvedics and also the needy

all these come from the SAINTS WHO LEAD BY EXAMPLE in not only seeking salvation

for themselves but also for all the living forms around them be it the forests,

the animals that lived in it, the produce they produced both human -students and

their much needed fuel, food, shelter etc

THE POWERHOUSE OF SUCH SADHAKAS WAS IMMENSE and had far reaching positive energy

fields around them

even modern day Maharishi Mahesh Yogi did use his spiritual strenght with his

followrs to stem torbulant times with sheer meditation by a few thousand ppl it

is supposed to give immense benefits in squires min 2 and above will add its

energy field positively

HAVE WE NOT SEEN THE NEGATIVE ONES COMING FROM THE CONE SPEAKERS ACCORS W. ASIA

and most troubled hot spots in thw world misled by ego and what they belive of

their faith as though they have a direct link to the god and not its sincere

followers by practice and spoiled such good religions by their overall

arrogance. their positive side is also seen in the world cup win by Imran khans

team in 92 in Au

where Pak had a tied match which they sould have lost were all out for 74

against England rain saved them entire Pak prayed during ramazan due t the diff

time zones did help them lift the cup

we do see such positive energies chanalise during Kumbha melas also isnit it all

these r collective energies of existing saints of the day who can attract lesser

mortals like us

WE MUST NOT GET CARRIED away by some self professed monks, Brahamacharyas or the

Nude monks in various ghats-Nagas not all have the same spiritual depth

VIDYA VINAYA SAMPANAE= knowledge with humility and no situation will provoke a

truly knowledgeable person will remain steadfast, calm and stick just to his

work by actions

all saints used their energy only for the troubled souls who sought their

blessings, guidence so did ponder over such issues apart from their own Moksha.

the Brahamacharya Ashram and Vanaprastha ashram are devoted to mother nature

from where we belong and go back to using what we have in our life time

inbetween and replacing the same for the future as we r leaving for future

generations be it natural resources or knowledge for the welfare of all of the

human race to follow. each one LIGHT ONE, EACH ONE PLANT ONE SAPLING

atleast they did a lot more than we are doing hence the energy, ecconomic,

weather, global financila crisis that we face collectively as we failed as a

civilised race till now abusing all we got till its extinction limits look at

our face on our collective failure.

I hope i got this somehwre close to what cud be a answer and sure many more

exist.

Prashant

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Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth

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Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

Saturday, June 13, 2009 8:03:09 AM

This perplexes me ...

.... Jyotish was received from God by Sages, as our accepted belief goes and also

that Parashara was a Saint, as perhaps Jaimini and others too and those that

followed (?) like Satyachaarya for instance were monks and hermits, if not sages

and yet ...

Most of their Jyotish writings deal with householder issues:

Education, earning, marriage, having children, progressing in worldly ways

(rajyogas, dhanyogas, bhogas), how to deal with sickness and treat it, how to

deal with enemies (real or perceived) and how to cope with adversity

(Householder' s bane, hermit's boon) and remedies which essentially one would

say enable one to dodge Karma's arrow and muhurta which introduces the

JwALATARANGA of hope and empowerment through freedom of choice and Free-Will!

I wonder why Saints would waste so much of their personal time on householders

rather than what they chose as a lifestyle in the first place? Sure there are a

few slokas thrown in about bairaagya and so on but, a frail minority one would

agree!

Now you may say that they were trying to save the rotten souls of us the great

unwashed -- but one wonders ...!

I thought God was in-charge of saving souls or Prophets/Awataars!

Rohiniranjan

June 13, 2009

Dear Kumar-ji,

I did not finish in doubt or haste! I consider this a forum of mature people and

in that sense I use the term, " August forum " ! I hate to belabour my point and go

on and on and certainly do not wish to sound like a broken-record (like copy and

paste contributors that we have seen in our collective journeys! People get

bored and need change and some novelty but not so novel that it blows their

minds!).

So I gingerly write because many walk bare-feet amongst us now and I would hate

to tread on toes that some others may care to worship or whatever!

I have no problem with true teachers even if they are not mine or saints as long

as they do not keep reminding us who they are! It should remain a mystery to be

discovered! And I am sure there are many sages, saints, hermits and monks that

remain unannounced and those we meet on and off internet!

Rohiniranjan

, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

wrote:

>

> Dear RR Ji,

>

> well i guess u started right but finished it in doubt and haste/

>

> If I understood the lives of the saints, Gurus/acharyas, sadhus etc apart from

the Mortals lives itself who spent best part of their lives in nature say

Brahamacharya avastha-the stage in which learning of all kinds in a socialistic

life style with education as a goal the togetherness with fellow students in

most cases was status equal amd their ;earmimg. expertise was put to test in the

capatilist world which was MOST;Y humane due to the socialistic backbone then ,

than now People earned with dignity, fair means and did also contribute to

sustain knowledge bases like village or local temple priests, astrologers,

Ayurvedics and also the needy

>

> all these come from the SAINTS WHO LEAD BY EXAMPLE in not only seeking

salvation for themselves but also for all the living forms around them be it the

forests, the animals that lived in it, the produce they produced both human

-students and their much needed fuel, food, shelter etc

>

> THE POWERHOUSE OF SUCH SADHAKAS WAS IMMENSE and had far reaching positive

energy fields around them

>

> even modern day Maharishi Mahesh Yogi did use his spiritual strenght with his

followrs to stem torbulant times with sheer meditation by a few thousand ppl it

is supposed to give immense benefits in squires min 2 and above will add its

energy field positively

>

> HAVE WE NOT SEEN THE NEGATIVE ONES COMING FROM THE CONE SPEAKERS ACCORS W.

ASIA and most troubled hot spots in thw world misled by ego and what they belive

of their faith as though they have a direct link to the god and not its sincere

followers by practice and spoiled such good religions by their overall

arrogance. their positive side is also seen in the world cup win by Imran khans

team in 92 in Au

>

> where Pak had a tied match which they sould have lost were all out for 74

against England rain saved them entire Pak prayed during ramazan due t the diff

time zones did help them lift the cup

>

> we do see such positive energies chanalise during Kumbha melas also isnit it

all these r collective energies of existing saints of the day who can attract

lesser mortals like us

>

> WE MUST NOT GET CARRIED away by some self professed monks, Brahamacharyas or

the Nude monks in various ghats-Nagas not all have the same spiritual depth

>

> VIDYA VINAYA SAMPANAE= knowledge with humility and no situation will provoke a

truly knowledgeable person will remain steadfast, calm and stick just to his

work by actions

>

> all saints used their energy only for the troubled souls who sought their

blessings, guidence so did ponder over such issues apart from their own Moksha.

>

> the Brahamacharya Ashram and Vanaprastha ashram are devoted to mother nature

from where we belong and go back to using what we have in our life time

inbetween and replacing the same for the future as we r leaving for future

generations be it natural resources or knowledge for the welfare of all of the

human race to follow. each one LIGHT ONE, EACH ONE PLANT ONE SAPLING

> atleast they did a lot more than we are doing hence the energy, ecconomic,

weather, global financila crisis that we face collectively as we failed as a

civilised race till now abusing all we got till its extinction limits look at

our face on our collective failure.

>

> I hope i got this somehwre close to what cud be a answer and sure many more

exist.

>

> Prashant

>

> I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non

Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth

data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in

the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside

the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group

for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

>

/database?method=reportRows & tbl=6

>

> ________________________________

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

>

> Saturday, June 13, 2009 8:03:09 AM

> This perplexes me ...

>

> ... Jyotish was received from God by Sages, as our accepted belief goes and

also that Parashara was a Saint, as perhaps Jaimini and others too and those

that followed (?) like Satyachaarya for instance were monks and hermits, if not

sages and yet ...

>

> Most of their Jyotish writings deal with householder issues:

>

> Education, earning, marriage, having children, progressing in worldly ways

(rajyogas, dhanyogas, bhogas), how to deal with sickness and treat it, how to

deal with enemies (real or perceived) and how to cope with adversity

(Householder' s bane, hermit's boon) and remedies which essentially one would

say enable one to dodge Karma's arrow and muhurta which introduces the

JwALATARANGA of hope and empowerment through freedom of choice and Free-Will!

>

> I wonder why Saints would waste so much of their personal time on householders

rather than what they chose as a lifestyle in the first place? Sure there are a

few slokas thrown in about bairaagya and so on but, a frail minority one would

agree!

>

> Now you may say that they were trying to save the rotten souls of us the great

unwashed -- but one wonders ...!

>

> I thought God was in-charge of saving souls or Prophets/Awataars!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

June 13, 2009

Dear RRji

I did not meany in the literal word on haste or doubt as I know u know these

answers nd may be could enrish us furtehr on it

I hope u cud coment on the contents side I do agree with the last para of ur

reply

and the last sentgence is a fact most of the true Yogis , monks, sages live far

away from the ever disturbing, distracting unvivilised world in this modern

civilisation.

but even the ones present here in cities, towns, or internet r important

pointers to the words, meaning and life of a real one for those seeking such

info, paths as this is beter than taking to guns, knives, drugs and what not our

modern world has abused every gadget, device that has saved our time, energy and

use it for our own inner growth instead uses most of it onthe distructive

inventions FILMS, TV SOAPS.

no time for family, friends good work of our own creative sides or otgers around

us

we spend time on concoted, fabricated tickle urself and lauygh shows, talk shows

too

bok reading a in between stop gap selfish pursuit is also gone.

we have to spend more time in nature, with nature where there is knowledge

available in all forms from aesthetics a soothing breeze a calming water flow a

green and colourful vegitation to feed and shelter all living forms

once in a while a visit to the grand canyon is a case in point to what but

large emptiness still a experience to know what we cud miss if we dont care to

nurture back nature.

THIS OUR SAGES, YOGIS, SAINTS DID AND THEIR FOLLOWERS ALSO IN SOME MEASURE

THRUOUGH HISTORY

PRASHANT

________________________________

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

Saturday, June 13, 2009 8:52:25 AM

Re: This perplexes me ... 13/6

Dear Kumar-ji,

I did not finish in doubt or haste! I consider this a forum of mature people and

in that sense I use the term, " August forum " ! I hate to belabour my point and go

on and on and certainly do not wish to sound like a broken-record (like copy and

paste contributors that we have seen in our collective journeys! People get

bored and need change and some novelty but not so novel that it blows their

minds!).

So I gingerly write because many walk bare-feet amongst us now and I would hate

to tread on toes that some others may care to worship or whatever!

I have no problem with true teachers even if they are not mine or saints as long

as they do not keep reminding us who they are! It should remain a mystery to be

discovered! And I am sure there are many sages, saints, hermits and monks that

remain unannounced and those we meet on and off internet!

Rohiniranjan

, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..>