Guest guest Posted June 14, 2009 Report Share Posted June 14, 2009 Does anyone know, through reading of texts ancient or modern or having learned from their Gurus why Ketu was not included in the Ashtottari dasha progression? And why the different attribution of nakshatras to planets with benefics getting 3/4th of what was allocated to malefics? RR , vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Daera Dada, > Demonic form Rahu given in word form gave in classic texts and with no waists.no legs and has no nature of it's own all must be interesting to make noise for many jyotish and convince problem struck and grief ridden people who are our stength,give jyotish mnaa.so there is lot in the forum to assume,presume and pronounce.once it is north node it itakes every one to tangible providing opportunity for fraud too.when we have other seven planet to characterise total signs of zodiac,let's us be classic only though word form convertions took after several'000 years later and made out of memories and based on sruti,a form of verbal dleivarance. > Insted of countering that some thing of " between cup and lip like " > situations, rahu in 2nd tends to take away " walk suddhi " and maligns mind to enable human beings to play trick to take advantage of gullibles.These half planets and chaya grahas continues to be a good material for jyotishis when we find people building institutions and contribute to society benift,we recollect a old addage that 'some Damad/son in law of a good family thought of donating in laws property " > so word versions now available in texts need to be studied and grope into vastness of jyotish and filter our meaningful things to understand things better and fulfil the objectives of jyotish and there are always innocents who want us to get into roots to find why their husbands/wife get into multi marriages and why they chase others etc and explain issues > vrkrishnan > --- On Sat, 6/13/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > Re: ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously! > > Saturday, June 13, 2009, 3:45 PM > > Not sure if rahu has become more powerful or whether humanity has begun to pay closer attention to what rahu represents! I think that can generally be stated for any planet etc! > > RR > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dada, > > I do not want to defer with your observations on Rahu in Kaliyuga.Rahu became very powerful as we have seen recently during the franchise of great Indian democracy.No haste at all assured > > vrkrishnan > > > > --- On Fri, 6/12/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > Re: ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously! > > > > Friday, June 12, 2009, 10:01 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishnan Dada, > > > > You are blessed, of course, to have enjoyed the blessings of such Great Teachers that have changed the Tides of Jyotish in our times! > > > > All that aside, may I gently impose upon you to re-think your position about the " fraduster " , Sir? :-) Not the Fraudster part because you would not have accused someone so harshly unless there was justification. I am only requesting you to link it totally with rahu in 2nd being the indicator! > > > > I know of a chart of an individual born on Shivratri with karkata rising and rahu in 2nd house. He was anything but a fraudster and built an educational institution that was very much acclaimed. Rahu was of course stabilized by jupiter from the 10th and many planets right across from where it was located! > > > > Never underestimate or hastily judge rahu! Not in kaliyuga, certainly ;-) > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Rohini Dada, > > > I would like to be called as hasty as cyber media for umpteen opportunities always makes issues more divergent and complicated. > > > For learning environment, I still prefer that Guru Sishya Parampara by acceptin a person as your teacher and learn from him through his writings.discourse or by observations. > > > Infact,i was lucky to have the influnece of Shri.K.N.Rao before a systematic study was made/initiated. Later,Infact those were the days when Rao saheb was promoting A.M through his writings and analysis.Late Raman when thought of ICAS and Institutionalisatio n,there were parting of ways and the Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan has made it's existence for stamping purpose and promote Astrology as a subject. > > > Infact all these eminent personalities have least remeberance of their birth chart and all of their experiments and learning came through the charts of others.In 80s Computerised horscopes find lot of bugs till date and we do not know whether they fitted their programs based on BPHS or Parashara.Now a days the problems are encountered through software developed through K.P System. > > > A person recently brought a horoscope made according to KP and has given it to me.According to that some body analysed that he will bag big computer project and make big buck.when in my own way,I found him to be a fraudster and unreliable.His birth around amvasya days and with Rahu in 2nd from lagna could only lead his project into total loss and himself facing leagal issues. > > > Let's learn through what is understandable and is open for every body to try and learn some thing out of such innovative approaches > > > vrkrishnan > > > P.S:need ofcourse to check mercury is not retrograde to make confounding issues > > > > > > --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > Re: ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously! > > > > > > Thursday, June 11, 2009, 7:07 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishnan Dada, > > > > > > Arsa longa vita brevis! > > > > > > Empty distractions will plague us jyotishis always, like in the past! And one's own chart is not the best place to test a new toy. And, by that I mean, as long as we all are learning astrology and not making wild claims of accuracy, it is best to avoid testing those on one's chart. > > > > > > Sadly, I have seen this in some very mature and very admirable jyotishis. They test a new technique or yoga on their chart and then it is either keep or toss! But maybe they know what they are doing! There is no telling, of course unless we see the raw data as scientists doing peer-review often say! ;-) > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > Probably good insight tells me to use your software for better purposes as it will give me better insight than to try on my own chart.For my future to guaze through my own chart,i would prefer to be Dhritarashtra. People who are always can help me and guide me.Certainly you are one among them.The service you provide is always of immense help to the future of Astrologer and would like to be astudent to strive and learn.probably your repeted censures can wake me up and learn through your software and become better smartin > > > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> > > > > Re: ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously! > > > > > > > > Thursday, June 11, 2009, 1:29 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishnan Ji, > > > > > > > > Few astrologers possess the sincerity and courage to say " when ever I tried to find something in my own chart,i find myself as If my both eyes are not functional " . > > > > > > > > Similar problems prompted me to test alternative approaches, and nearly 11 years ago I swithed to the Suryasiddhantic method which relieved me from Dritharashtra syndrome. But I am surprised some astrologers are too much stuck to their biases to even test this alternative. I have stopped arguing with those who are under a vow never to rest this alternative. Mere argumentation leads to nowhere, astrology is a practical science. There is no dearth of hypocrites among astrologers who deliberately make wrong statements that their Dritharashtra- method is foolproof. If so, why evade testing and cpmparing the Case Studies and yet talk like good Samaritans in the " service " of mankind ? > > > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > > > > ============ ========= = ==== > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > > > > > Thursday, June 11, 2009 10:42:45 AM > > > > Re: ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously! > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > when ever I tried to find something in my own chart,i find myself as If my both eyes are not functional I felt like Dritharashtra of Maha Barath. > > > > Astrology basically when learnt and think we can give some service to society honestly and sincerely we may attempt to so so.But in anticipation of time and money factors in return.if we can really guide and helps some body to over come his won inhibitions and barriers that itself a great satisfaction to us > > > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 6/10/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> > > > > Re: ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously! > > > > > > > > Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 11:21 PM > > > > > > > > Krishnan ji, > > > > > > > > In this matter, I am sure, each of us may have individual experiences and we may come from different zones of biases and so on. > > > > > > > > Please let me share with you my bias. > > > > > > > > Jyotish being a service presumably and primarily, there is the natural requirement to be able to give, to offer, energy must express and flow outwards. > > > > > > > > Jyotishis must not spend too much time and energy on their own charts and personal destinies, unless it becomes absolutely necessary and perhaps those are the moments when Jyotishi must ask someone higher... > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > Finding the learners or seekers of knowledge is very difficult situation particulalrly in these days every thing is available in googgle search.It is easy to pick up like a parrot few words here and there and make noise.The kind of review: " like any child, learning a new language, the astrologer must first read and understand and incorporate what has already been developed, what has happened or occurred already and learn it a posteriori! " no body would feel happy and comfortable with such kind of approach,though necessary. > > > > > present genaration as we have seen in the e-media is to learn from blogs.their reliability, comprehensivenes s and originality are far from consistency and truth.They may however help for such seekers of knowledge to promote their own slefish interests and get focussed. > > > > > I feel quest and zealousness have to be supported by genuine urge to learn some thing new and some thing whole heartedly to feel that one gains true knowledge > > > > > vrkrishnan > > > > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 6/7/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > ASTROLOGY: An Exercise, a quest -- a posteriori obviously! > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, June 7, 2009, 11:06 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Despite postings here and there or articles on the web and on paper (YES --they still exist folks! Magazines on paper smelling of paper and prining inks, though many on terminal life-support because when was it that you last d to a magazine, or purchased a jyotish book, now that even scriptures are available online and ot be had just for the price of internet!), jyotish fora on internet possess the spontaneity of 'real-time response' that no magazine (even cyber-ones that arrive for free or a small fee in our mail boxes -- periodically) can ever match! > > > > > > > > > > Internet fora are like a town-hall meeting and that is why these remain attractive. These represent the ultimate in communication that many/most have desired for decades or perhaps longer! > > > > > > > > > > Back in the rustic times (60s and 70s) we had learned to wait before we got an answer. Whether we asked those from the few magazines or fewer experts that were available or willing to toss a few crumbs astrological in the seeker's direction! Often the crumbs were exactly that! Not even fit for the birds! > > > > > > > > > > This irritated me, the sheer arrogance in this kind of arrangement of DEMAND and supply -- way outproportioned! And exploited too!! > > > > > > > > > > So when the new reality arrived in the 80s no one was happier than I! > > > > > > > > > > Yes we fight a lot more now, yes the days back then were " peaceful " but they were also secretive. Even today, we get glimpses of those puritanical and archaic mentality but all that shall eventually pass. > > > > > > > > > > Even today -- a segment of astrologers may choose to hold on to their Rock of Gibralter -- but it is too late! Communication is the very essence of creation, as I see it. Ants can work as a society, even the lowly hydra has what is taught as division of labour and duties, schools of fish know when to travel together, flocks of birds go from north to south and back to north, year in and year out! Sure, individuals fall aside and do not conform but all of these are about signaling and communication! Jagdeesh Chandra Bose demonstrated and many after him how so called 'lowly' species can communicate and respond to one another, no matter in how crude a manner or complex. > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is nothing other than two worlds communicating with one another: The Macrocosmos and the microcosmos. The outside and the inside. > > > > > > > > > > Hence I call it a language! How else can communication be possible? Without a language?? Astrology! > > > > > > > > > > And like any child, learning a new language, the astrologer must first read and understand and incorporate what has already been developed, what has happened or occurred already and learn it a posteriori! > > > > > > > > > > We learn prose and poetry in english or hindi or tamil or gujrati or marathi or urdu and then only can we create the same which will be passed on to those who follow so that they can learn and create more in the future! > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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