How and Why do we make decisions? - A Story from Ramayana & Astrology

June 23, 2009

Dear AlL,

" Fools Obey the Planets, Wise men control them. "

A few days during the ramanavami festival, A young tamil Brahmin was giving a

discourse on Ramayana. He was narrating how prosperous, peaceful the people of

Ayodhya were during the rule of King Dasaratha. The king was sitting in the

court room along with Sage Vasishta along with ministers. Dasaratha asked the

sage about the future of his kingdom. Sage after checking the planetary

movements declared that Saturn is about to cross Rohini Nakshtra and if it does,

it will not rain in the country for the next 12 years. There will be great

famine and people will suffer. Dasaratha was taken aback. He could not believe

that during his rule his people are destined to suffer and perish. He became

angry and ruler of the world, courageous, he gathered his army and set to fight

Saturn – Sani devatha and stop him from crossing Rohini Nakshtra.

Sani was perplexed to see a human being ready to fight him. He was mildly amused

and enquired who he was the courageous person is?. Saturn asked dasaratha what

made him that he will win the battle when even Lord Shiva became a victim of

Saturn's wrath and what is the reason for this fighting.

Dasaratha introduced himself and told about what Sage Vasishta declared. Saturn

was pleased at the courage of Dasaratha and told that he cannot stop himself

from crossing Rohini Nakshtra as it was controlled by Kala chakra and no one can

stop it. However, pleased at the boldness of Dasaratha, He declared that the

people of Ayodhya shall not suffer on account of his crossing Rohini Nakshtra as

a boon.

Dasaratha was also pleased and out of humility created a Stotra prasing the Lord

Sani. They parted ways and people of Ayodhya lived happily as before.

Can we learn anything from the about how the wise dasaratha took care of his

problem (instead of lamenting) and why Sani blessed him? and why such stories

are told by sages? How Astrology played its part?

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

> " Fools Obey thePlanets, Wise men control them. " as BV Raman conveyed is to

promote human action and to say free will that come out of artha houses is to

act.This does not denigrate role of planets or for that cosmic influence.It is

science there is not much to discuss about it.

> Planets have a role in the nature and they keep doing good or bad.how these

imply to us is the issue?Then we need to understand significance and the lot

about fundamentals of jyotish.our actions based on decision are explorations to

make living contended and purposeful.whetehr we like or not planets aid us and

guide us.Astrological answers are only indicative things that come out of

applications of sevral parameters of jyotish and indepth study.we think as we

are guide by envt.Planets influnce envt as their duty.we communicate and act

accordingly by deciding as scientists every day.we can not deny cosmic influnce

whether we get benifit or not

> vrkrishnan

>

> --- On Mon, 6/22/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

> Re: How and Why do we make decisions? Astrological Answers! 21/6

>

> Monday, June 22, 2009, 2:12 PM

>

rajiv khanna

>

> u have quoted b v raman ji's quotes and they apply to a higher level of ppl

surely not our generation -more materialistic, self centered.

>

> now on ur other points

>

> we choose the path our karma allows us if it is v stron on the +ve side we may

have many choices, but if -ve can be left with little choice inspite of best

advice from anyone

>

> as in case of Pandavas, well if they listnedto Lord Krishna would Mahabharatha

battle itslf been there a Avatara like Krishna had a role in cleaning up his

yuga's dead wood, rotten elements and he needs some of that very force to clean

up the mess.

>

> we also have srimad bhagavatha and bhagavad geetha as sdie wise down [dishes]

so it as its role

>

> and Budhi if allowed to flourish in right environment can help a person grow,

just as juvenile homes help young law breakers come out of such mindsets learn a

few new trade, skills and be better human beings if put in a commoin jail even

the kids can be notorious criminals

>

> this is again our karma driven the opening sloka on a natal horosccope rather

JANAMA PATRI

>

> Janani janma soukhyanam if u understand this u will get ur doubts cleared

today we have horoscopes written without it, or a reverence to Lord ganesha and

the Navagrahas either apart from the opening sloka just quoted

>

> Karma = free will+fate which is fixed 50:50 at best we can make the fate

stronger than free will by being careless, reckless

>

> so is health of a person if u know any dowser u can see that even the

healthiest person will have 50: health according to their charts so by some

negligence, poor life style habits we can maKE it more and more bad in the same

chart as the magnet will move towards more of il health take a test u will know

>

> Best wishes

>

> G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow

s & tbl=6

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> goldberg.investment s <goldberg.investment s. in>

>

> Monday, June 22, 2009 12:47:58 PM

> Re: How and Why do we make decisions? Astrological Answers! 21/6

>

> Dear Prashant ji, Manoj ji and Suresh ji,

>

> Thanks for carrying this discussion forward.

> PS: - Prashant ji, You must have mistaken me for some another person who

> have spammed for his queries. I have been a mute reader of this group

> and it was my first query. Neverthless, ignoring this, lets take

> discussion forwad.

>

> I have been researching this subject on decision making from last 2

> years and it has now become a paramount thought process.

>

> Prashant ji, you have focussed on the study of astrology and the

> individual path chosen...the karma. My focus is on how you chose the

> Path?

>

> You have used the example of Pandava's, Lord Krishna and the Dice

> Gamble. I use this example often in my trainings. As you mentioned,

> Pandava's were not able to resist the game even when Lord Krishna

> intervened. Pandava's lost everything yet they went on with the game. My

> question remains the same - Why were they not able to RESIST? Why did

> they choose to Play Even when Lord Krishna tried to stop? Pandava's

> behaved like mesmerised and out of control (from their mind) and went on

> with the decision. It is also known that Shakuni specifically chose that

> period for the game? Was he aware that this period would be the one when

> Pandava's will not take decision of their favour?

>

> You nicely mentioned 'BUDHI KARMA ANUSARE - that is Buddhi will follow

> the instinctgs of ones Karma'.

>

> I believe it is the other way round, Karam as per Buddhi. Action as per

> your Thoughts.

>

> Everyday, we have hundreds and thousands of thoughts in our mind, but

> when and on which thoughts do we take action? Is it the thoughts of

> similar nature who have clubbed and grown strong or is it the single

> thought but congruent with your inbuilt talents and capabilities which

> suddenly combine with all the relevant forces and push you to take

> action?

>

> Sh B. V. Raman in his book, " The Influence of Planets on Human Affairs "

> clearly explains the forces of Planets, their movements and the effect

> on other bodies(including us).

>

> Quantum physics say we all are energy and anything and everything is

> interconnected.

> So, when there is a particular combination of Planets/Stars, Do they

> produce some thoughts in us which push us to take a particular action or

> Is it this way that when this particular combination of Planets/Stars

> occur, at that time, these thoughts will come in human mind and he

> may/will/can take a particular action?

>

> Has anyone given thought...From Where do thoughts come in our mind? Why

> do they appear? Some are repeated thoughts, some are like traffic on

> road - come and go, some stay around and change us, some come time and

> again but we ignore.

>

> Sh B.V.Raman in one of his books, very simply wrote, " Fools Obey the

> Planets, Wise men control them. "

>

> Is Astrology taken on a wrong side today? Was it meant to be a guide to

> make aware of upcoming forces so that effective decisions be taken or

> Has it been taken as " Dear Client, This will Happen - You can't do

> anything! "

>

> How come meek Shakuni was able to Overpower and Destroy 5 Pandava's who

> were, and proved, much stronger and mighty than 100 Kaurava's? Was it

> Shakuni's Talent and Pandava's lesser knowledge of game, Was it

> planetary combination of Pandava's/Kaurava' s or Planetary combination

> and Inability to take right decision at that time?

>

> So, is it " Dear Client, This will Happen - You can't do anything! " or is

> it " Dear Client, Be Aware This thing is Coming and You can/Will Take

> this Decision - Check and Control Yourself! "

>

> Thanks for your valuable Time.

>

> Rajiv Khanna

>

> , " sureshbabuag "

> <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rajiv jhanna

> >

> > The ans to your questions are explained by Lord Shri Krishna very

> nicely and in a simple but deeper way in Shreemad Bhagavat Geetha.

> >

> > Jyotish only works as a beckon , a light to illuminate what is around

> you and where you are heading. It is upto to you to understand yourself

> and decide how the information should be used.

> >

> > Read Bhagavath Geetha & you shall find the answer and peace with your

> self.

> >

> > Believe me, If you understand Bhagavat Geetha correctly, You will

> never raise these questions again and you will look at life / world and

> most importantly at yourself in a new light.

> >

> > I would suggest " Tattvavivecani " by Shri Jayadayal Goyandaka published

> by geetha press Ghorakpur for the correct Sanskrit to English

> translation of Sanskrit and meaning.

> >

> > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> > , Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar@

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Rajiv Jhanna

> > >

> > > u were spamming every group with reading requests for months and

> litertally bugged everyone NOW u come up with kind of rubbish?

> > >

> > > ithe fundamental question is FIRST STUDY THE SUBJECT, ITS RULES,

> APPLICATIONS TEST AS MANY CASES AND THEN think of commenting on it any

> subject for that matter

> > >

> > > a horoscope has several revealing facets, factors

> > > the strength of the chart must be first be analysed

> > > its current running period, its strenght,

> > > the current planetary transits

> > > any major combinations for good or bad

> > > and above all the family and his own karmaic debts if too strong

> can't deliver the expected results

> > >

> > > last said point can be seen from a much deeper level say D60

> > > if even a shuba graha period is running if it is placed in a Krora

> or evil shastiamsa it can't deliver the said shubha phala

> > > but if evil periods run and is in Krura shashtiamsas it can be quite

> compounded

> > >

> > > and desha, kaala, paristhi matters too

> > >

> > > when Kingdoms have given to diff forms of govt such substititions is

> needed

> > >

> > > the essence of it is a major employer

> > >

> > > say in India railways is a v large organisation the biggest employer

> as of now it is Givt controled what if it is privatised?

> > >

> > > AIR INDIA is facing such a prospect by a distress sale if a govt

> employee with no effort of his becomes a privates ector employee it is

> the size of the employer herthat matters.

> > >

> > > to work, study, work abroad there must be supporting times in the

> chart just not combinations alone.

> > >

> > > similarly living abroead can be a yoga for some, but for many it is

> a EXILE yoga that is no family, friends, family worse off in w. asia ,

> africa other places levels of it differs?

> > >

> > > so u may live and earn in a hostile environment.

> > >

> > > can anyone resist Karma even the Avataras of so many divine forms

> have show that in human form they have suffered normal human experiences

> but never lost control of values, self respect.

> > >

> > > Did not the Pandavas who had Lord Krishna in their side not loose

> not once but twice in dice gambling even after the Lord did intervene

> 1st time and saved Draupadi's honor in the royal place where she was

> almost disrobed [emotionally] in public...

> > >

> > > still why did they take the 2nd 2nd invitation it is the role of

> this life's Karma

> > >

> > > BUDHI KARMA ANUSARE

> > > that is Buddhi will follow the instinctgs of ones Karma

> > >

> > > a hororscope reveals both the +ve and -ve sides its occurance timing

> and allows us some free weill to reduce the bad ones, improve our Atma

> or souls balance sheet in this life on wards to become better. by

> burning off the -ve aspects and also not adding new -ve Karma into it

> which we all continue to do

> > >

> > > it bride a cop a tax official or push someone in traffic as we r in

> a hurry and want to reach home. work faster than one before u, [he/she

> may be too in such a situation if u care to ask]

> > > fix a appointment with a hospital or a govt official ahead of others

> in the quee/

> > >

> > > even temple darshans, educational seats etc

> > >

> > > if these do happen only in the way they shuld in order of

> application than other means all else will be fine

> > >

> > > but each ones individual karma will make one choose a particular

> path.

> > > it is better to be careful and remain in the right side of the law,

> and karma

> > > all good deeds with good intention will pay in the long run

> > >

> > > but good deds by accident, mistake dont count

> > > but bad ddeeds by even mistake count a sin so choice is v hard it is

> like driving down a ghat road with no protection on the sides and no

> metaling on it

> > >

> > > devil or deep ravines....

> > >

> > > Best wishes

> > >

> > > Prashant

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > GoldBerg Financial Trading Systems goldberg.investment s@

> > >

> > > Sunday, June 21, 2009 12:20:07 PM

> > > How and Why do we make decisions? Astrological

> Answers!

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > >

> > > Please check the following examples are answer if you can.

> > >

> > > 1. A person is a job less. His natal chart says, he should be in

> > > government job, so, why isn't he there? If his Planets and Stars are

> not

> > > supportive in MNC job, why is he searching for the same? If his

> > > Planets/Stars are favourable, how come he has not applied for

> government

> > > job?

> > > 2. Natal Chart says, Person has good education, why is he not

> looking

> > > forward to going to Harvard or IIM, why is he settling for lower

> levels of

> > > education?

> > > 3. Natal Chart says, Person would have beautiful wife, a famous

> > > personality, but it would end in divorce. Should he Marry or rather

> Will he

> > > Marry if known the given outcome?

> > > 4. Natal Chart says, Person would go to foreign lands, he would be

> very

> > > rich there and it would be his only source of income, but in the

> process, he

> > > would loose all his family, friends, and relatives, in homeland.

> Should he

> > > go to foreign lands, or rather would he go, if known the outcome?

> > > 5. Natal chart says, person will loose wealth in Speculation and

> wrong

> > > investments, but we see he is still there everyday? Why would he be

> there if

> > > it is bad for him? Why can't he resist or Can he resist?

> > >

> > > These are just few examples, but the question remains the same.who

> is in

> > > control here, Natal Chart - Planets - or Human Decision. Who

> chooses, who

> > > decides - Stars or Man, and how is this decision made?

> > >

> > > Can there be a discussion on this? (Again.Is this question need to

> be

> > > answered.Astrologic ally or will it go untouched or will some strong

> mind

> > > take charge and look into it????)

> > >

> > > Thanks and regards,

> > >

> > > Rajiv Khanna

> > >

> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --

> > >

> > > There's an old parable that goes as follows:

> > >

> > > Every morning in Africa a Gazelle wakes up, It knows it better run

> faster

> > > than the faster Lion or it will be killed. Every morning a Lion

> wakes up. It

> > > Knows it better run faster than the slowest Gazelle or it will

> starve to

> > > death.

> > >

> > > It doesn't matter whether you are a Lion or a Gazelle : WHEN THE SUN

> COMES

> > > UP, YOU BETTER BE RUNNING.

> > >

> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> > >

June 23, 2009

Dear Shri Suresh Ji and others

A nice anecdote from ithihasas once again. The decision made spontaneously by

the king to fight saturn is the point that will be taken into account,as the

preparedness to fight odds is essential.

This could arise as Vashishta the wise man could indicate about future.The

relevence of Astrology is to be taken in a proper spirit and action contemplated

to ward off eveil

" Dasaratha asked the sage about the future of his kingdom. " The fear about the

future looms not only Great Kings and warriors but normal people too.Every one

has the adequate sense that Kala Chakra has it's own course.whether good or bad

happenings occurs it all depends on actions and preparedness to face future,if

necessary by fight

" Saturn was pleased at the courage of Dasaratha and told that he cannot stop

himself from crossing Rohini Nakshtra as it was controlled by Kala chakra and no

one can stop it. However, pleased at the boldness of Dasaratha, He declared that

the people of Ayodhya shall not suffer on account of his crossing Rohini

Nakshtra as a boon. " :Wise men may indicate about the likely happenings,the king

with his boldness and for the sake of his people of the kingdom attempted to

prevent.The determination of King was appreciated

The Kalchakra is unstoppable but the good and bad out of the happening no body

knows except creator.Knowing is essential.preparedness to fight is the decision

that gets honoured

vrkrishnan

--- On Tue, 6/23/09, sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag wrote:

sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag

Re: How and Why do we make decisions? - A Story from Ramayana &

Astrology

Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 2:13 AM

Dear AlL,

" Fools Obey the Planets, Wise men control them. "

A few days during the ramanavami festival, A young tamil Brahmin was giving a

discourse on Ramayana. He was narrating how prosperous, peaceful the people of

Ayodhya were during the rule of King Dasaratha. The king was sitting in the

court room along with Sage Vasishta along with ministers. Dasaratha asked the

sage about the future of his kingdom. He declared that the people of Ayodhya

shall not suffer on account of his crossing Rohini Nakshtra as a boon.

Dasaratha was taken aback. He could not believe that during his rule his people

are destined to suffer and perish. He became angry and ruler of the world,

courageous, he gathered his army and set to fight Saturn â€“ Sani devatha and

stop him from crossing Rohini Nakshtra.

Sani was perplexed to see a human being ready to fight him. He was mildly amused

and enquired who he was the courageous person is?. Saturn asked dasaratha what

made him that he will win the battle when even Lord Shiva became a victim of

Saturn's wrath and what is the reason for this fighting.

Dasaratha introduced himself and told about what Sage Vasishta declared. Saturn

was pleased at the courage of Dasaratha and told that he cannot stop himself

from crossing Rohini Nakshtra as it was controlled by Kala chakra and no one can

stop it. However, pleased at the boldness of Dasaratha, He declared that the

people of Ayodhya shall not suffer on account of his crossing Rohini Nakshtra as

a boon.

Dasaratha was also pleased and out of humility created a Stotra prasing the Lord

Sani. They parted ways and people of Ayodhya lived happily as before.

Can we learn anything from the about how the wise dasaratha took care of his

problem (instead of lamenting) and why Sani blessed him? and why such stories

are told by sages? How Astrology played its part?

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

, vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,Â

> Â " Fools Obey thePlanets, Wise men control them. " as BV Raman conveyed is to

promoteÂ human action and to say free will that come out of artha houses is to

act.This does not denigrate role of planets or for that cosmic influence.It is

science there is not much to discuss about it.

> Planets have a role in theÂ nature and they keep doing good or bad.how these

imply to us is the issue?Then we need to understand significance and the lot

about fundamentals of jyotish.our actions based on decision are explorations to

make living contended and purposeful.whetehr we like or not planets aid us and

guide us.Astrological answers are only indicative things that come out of

applications of sevral parameters of jyotish and indepth study.we think as we

are guide by envt.Planets influnce envt as their duty.we communicate and act

accordingly by deciding as scientists every day.we can not deny cosmic influnce

whether we get benifit or not

> vrkrishnan

>

> Â

>

> --- On Mon, 6/22/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote:

>

> Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..>

> Re: How and Why do we make decisions? Astrological Answers! 21/6

>

> Monday, June 22, 2009, 2:12 PM

>

rajiv khanna

>

> u have quoted b v raman ji's quotes and they apply to a higher level of ppl

surely not our generation -more materialistic, self centered.

>

> now on ur other points

>

> we choose the path our karma allows us if it is v stron on the +ve side we may

have many choices, but if -ve can be left with little choice inspite of best

advice from anyone

>

> as in case of Pandavas, well if they listnedto Lord Krishna would Mahabharatha

battle itslf been there a Avatara like Krishna had a role in cleaning up his

yuga's dead wood, rotten elements and he needs some of that very force to clean

up the mess.

>

> we also have srimad bhagavatha and bhagavad geetha as sdie wise down [dishes]

so it as its role

>

> and Budhi if allowed to flourish in right environment can help a person grow,

just as juvenile homes help young law breakers come out of such mindsets learn a

few new trade, skills and be better human beings if put in a commoin jail even

the kids can be notorious criminals

>

> this is again our karma driven the opening sloka on a natal horosccope rather

JANAMA PATRI

>

> Janani janma soukhyanam if u understand this u will get ur doubts cleared

today we have horoscopes written without it, or a reverence to Lord ganesha and

the Navagrahas either apart from the opening sloka just quoted

>

> Karma = free will+fate which is fixed 50:50 at best we can make the fate

stronger than free will by being careless, reckless

>

> so is health of a person if u know any dowser u can see that even the

healthiest person will have 50: health according to their charts so by some

negligence, poor life style habits we can maKE it more and more bad in the same

chart as the magnet will move towards more of il health take a test u will know

>

> Best wishes

>

> G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow

s & tbl=6

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> goldberg.investment s <goldberg.investmen t s. in>