end of a era in PoP music 26/6 - a study

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On 27/06/2009, sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag wrote:

>

> Dear Members,

>

> This is only an attempt to study the chart and in no way conclusive about

> the Time of Birth of the Pop-Singer. I do not claim it to be complete also

> since there are a lot of factors to be cross checked before arriving to a

> conclusion. neverthless I believe, this might help in some way to understand

> the chart a little better.

>

> There are a lot of websites giving different TOB and none of them is

> authentic and hence the controvercy.

>

>

> http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/vJ3pEYk9DzLU.htm gives the time as

> 10.00 AM

>

> http://www.metalifecycles.com/MLC_Michael_H.htm gives the time as 9.05PM

> speculative by their own conjured method

>

> http://www.personal-astrology.com/Stars/Michael-Jackson-Birth-Chart.aspxgives

the time as 11.53 PM

>

> http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Jackson,_Michael_(1958) gives the time

> as 12.00 Noon

>

>

>

http://www.ganeshaspeaks.com/blog_Michael_Jackson_bounces_back_with_The_Girl_is_\

mine_892.jspgives the lagna as Virgo

>

> http://www.stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0004137.HTM gives the time as 11.53

> PM CDT

>

> Celebrity image often buries the true nature of an individual in a myriad

> of success stories. However, under the blanket of silk & gold lies what the

> individual is and that is what astrologers are supposed to delve upon – to

> distinguish between the bran from the brawn.

>

> These are excerpts from various websites about the life of the native and

> probably show what he actually was as a human being. This should also give

> us a strong base to debate and work on the attempt to find out the time of

> birth.

>

>

> " he was the seventh of nine children "

>

> " From a young age Jackson claims he was physically and emotionally abused

> by his father "

>

> " Jackson married twice and fathered three children, all of which caused

> further controversy

> Other aspects of his personal life, including his often changing

> appearances and eccentric behavior, generated significant controversy which

> damaged his public image. Though he was accused of child sexual abuse in

> 1993, the criminal investigation was closed due to lack of evidence and

> Jackson was not charged. The singer had experienced health concerns since

> the early 1990s and conflicting reports regarding the state of his finances

> since the late 1990s. "

>

> " In 1979, Jackson broke his nose during a complex dance routine "

>

> " Jackson suffered a setback on January 27, 1984. While filming a Pepsi Cola

> commercial at the Shrine Auditorium in Los Angeles, Jackson suffered second

> degree burns to his scalp after pyrotechnics accidentally set his hair on

> fire "

>

> " Jackson had a fourth rhinoplasty and, wanting masculine features, had a

> cleft put in his chin "

>

> " Jackson's skin was a medium-brown color for the entire duration of his

> youth, but starting in the early 1980s, his skin gradually grew paler "

>

> " In the mid-1980s, Jackson was diagnosed with vitiligo and lupus; the

> latter was in remission in Jackson's case, and both illnesses made him

> sensitive to sunlight "

>

> " The structure of his face changed as well "

>

> " In 1993, Jackson performed the song at the Soul Train Awards in a

> wheelchair, saying he had suffered an injury in rehearsals "

>

> " Jackson was accused of child sexual abuse by a 13-year-old child named

> Jordan Chandler and his father Evan Chandler "

> " Jordan Chandler then told a psychiatrist and later police that he and

> Jackson had engaged in acts of kissing, masturbation and oral sex, as well

> as giving a detailed description of what he alleged were the singer's

> genitals "

>

> " Jackson began taking painkillers, Valium, Xanax and Ativan to deal with

> the stress of the allegations made against him. By the fall of 1993, Jackson

> was addicted to the drugs "

>

> " Tabloid reaction to the allegations put Jackson in an unfavorable light.

> Complaints about the coverage and media included everything from bias

> against Jackson, accepting stories of alleged criminal activity for money to

> accepting confidential leaked material from the police investigation in

> return for money paid On January 1, 1994, Jackson settled with the Chandler

> family and their legal team out of court, in a civil lawsuit for $22

> million. After the settlement Jordan Chandler refused to continue with

> Police criminal proceedings. Jackson was never charged, and the state closed

> its criminal investigation, citing lack of evidence "

>

> " In May of 1994, Jackson married singer-songwriter Lisa Marie Presley, the

> daughter of Elvis Presley "

> " Jackson and Presley divorced less than two years later, remaining

> friendly "

>

> " Jackson married dermatologist nurse Deborah Jeanne Rowe, with whom he

> fathered a son, Michael Joseph Jackson, Jr. (also known as " Prince " ), and a

> daughter, Paris Michael Katherine Jackson "

>

> " Originally there were no plans to marry, but following Rowe's first

> pregnancy, Jackson's mother intervened and persuaded them to do so. After

> the couple divorced in 1999, with Rowe giving full custody rights of the

> children to Jackson, they remained friends "

>

> " Jackson's third child, Prince Michael Jackson II (also known as Blanket)

> was born in 2002. The mother's identity was never released by Jackson, but

> he has said the child was the result of artificial insemination from a

> surrogate mother and his own sperm cells.

>

> " Jackson was observed spending large amounts of money in an apparently

> frivolous manner, when he spent $6 million in a single store "

>

> " In November 21, 2008, news tabloids published that Jackson converted to

> Islam while in Los Angeles at the home of Steve Porcaro with British music

> star Cat Stevens (now Yusuf Islam) and changed his name to 'Mikaeel';

> however, these reports were not confirmed by Jackson himself "

>

>

> 5ft 10 tall

> Had burned his face

> Severe back problem

> Impotency? children are by artificial insemination & step fatherhood if his

> wife's earlier children

> 2 marriages

> Feminine characteristic of the face & movements.

> Heavy addiction drugs in the guise of pain killers.

>

>

> This is just a quick shot at fixing the time of birth. Though, it may not

> prove to be correct, I take this opportunity to bring some arguments and

> salient points which are usually ignored but are relevant in accessing a

> chart irrespective of their celebrity nature.

>

> It seems that there is also a controversy regarding the time zone with

> jhora giving 6.00hrs while most of the other sites gives 5.00hrs. The

> computation below assumes the time zone to be 5.00 hrs if you compute with

> 6.00 change the time accordingly.

>

> Since he is reasonably tall (almost 6ft) the birth should be in the

> vicinity of kanya / thula sign.

>

> Accordingly, the time of birth could be 10.10 am.

>

>

> 1) Factor : Drekana of Lagna / 10th Bhava. & Profession

> Kanya Lagna

>

> If we consider the lagna to the 3rd drekana of kanaya sign, the 10th bhava

> shall fall in the 3rd drekana of the Gemini sign. This very much indicate

> his profession of music, dancing etc. The description of the 3rd drekana of

> Gemini is as follows.

>

> bhuuShito varuNavad bahuratnai-

> rbaddhatuuNakavachaH sadhanuShkaH

> nrittavaaditakalaasu cha vidwaan

> kaavyakrinmithunaraashyavasaane..

>

> " It is form of a person who is radiant as The lord Varuna, well dressed

> with plenty of diamonds , with a bow, expert in dancing, music & creator of

> poems. "

>

> This description goes well with his profession and charecteristic- a Male

> engaged in dancing & music & composition.

>

>

> 2) Ayush : 53 years as per Drekana/Navamsa/Dwadasamsa based calculation.

> I haven't computed the Amsayu. No other computations compares with this span

> of life for this assumed time. .

>

> Dasa : at the time of death : Mercury : Rahu : Sun

>

> 3) Death : Mercury is Retrograde, combust and in the 12th from lagna. Rahu

> is in the 2nd – Maraka sthana & and along with 6th lord Jupiter who is in

> Satur rasi. Jupiter + Rahu is also aspected by Mars 8th lord. Sun and

> Natural malefic is also 12th lord. In bhava chart Mars is in the 10th of Sun

> hence aspects sun with the 4th drishti. He was in coma (Rahu) may be due to

> drugs & subsequent heart failure (Sun) is thus explained.

>

> 4) Height is easily explained due to kanya rasi deergha swabhava.

>

> 5) Burned face : 2nd house which indicates the face Rahu aspected by 3rd

> lord Mars. Further 3rd house is also having Saturn+ Gulika. Cosmetic surgery

> & reworked appearance can be attributed to rahu. Rahu in the 2nd associate

> with 3rd lord is said to give facial / dental problems. Surgery is

> definitely attributed to Mars. Jupiter association as a natural benefic can

> be said to have helped in remedying the damage.

>

> 6) Appearance: being kanya rasi – a stree rasi and moon in Kumbha- a

> purusha rasi & Makara Navamsa- again a stree rasi can be assumed to have

> given a duality of physic & appearance.

>

> 7) Finance: Jupiter in the 2nd aspected by Mars & 2nd lord Venus in the

> 11th made him very rich. However, Jupiter being dhana karaka (karaka griha

> in karaka sthana) along with Rahu made him a reckless in spending, a

> spendthrift, luxury seeking person and hence lost a huge amount of money

> pushing to financial debts. Lagna Lord Mercury + Sun in the 12th Vyaya bhava

> can also be said to have contributed to the losses.

>

> 8) Severe physical & back problem. Mars a natural malefic & 8th lord in

> association with Rahu-Ketu axis can be said to given this problem with his

> spinal cord. Rahu-Ketu axis can be attributed to spinal cord & central

> nervous system. Any malefic affliction to this axis will give back pain and

> damage to this part. Depending on the position of the malefic planets (near

> rahu or ketu ) and on sign afflicted, we can determine the nature of damage

> & position of damage. This method is also used to find the damage caused to

> Dwaja Sthamabha in temples during Ashtamangala prasna.

>

> For absolute affliction this combination should be in lagna (Rahu-ketu in

> lagna). This is another reason why I an inclined to consider 3rd drekana of

> Kanya, which in Bhava chart places rahu in lagna. Proximity of Mars with

> ketu also proves that the affliction is due to wear of bones of spinal cord

> giving arthritis / sodalities in the region of neck.

>

> 9) Marriage: 7th lord Jupiter in the 2nd along with Rahu aspected by 8th

> lord Mars. What more do one require to understand broken marriages,

> particularly with mercurian lagna & Jupiter as seventh lord. How many post

> are we receiving with marriage issues with these lagna?. How many more have

> we encountered during our years of experience?

> Children : the same combination as explained above can be said to have

> contributed to issues related with children.

>

> 10) Children : 2 by second wife and an unknown child. 1st is a boy, then a

> girl and the medically engineered child is also a boy.

>

> I believe Jupiter as santhana karaka is having the final say in the matter

> of children. Jupiter is in the 2nd navamsa in vrischika. The first one being

> Thula sign where Rahu is also occupying gave the first 2 children (thula –

> male), Rahu-Female child & the vrischika sign with Saturn gave an adopted

> like medically engineered child. There is also another possibility.

> Jupiter's first navamsa being male gave the male child, second being female

> gave female child and the 5th lord satur in own navamsa of the 6th house

> (Kumbha) and aspected by Sun & Mercury gave medical child. This seems to be

> a more plausible explanation. More over the role of venus aspecting the 5th

> house also need to be considered.

>

> We could have considered the mercury as 5th lord but for its only navamsa

> in Aries sign with Mars + Ketu occupying it.

>

> Regarding Marriage & Children we have to consider the moon position also.

> Moon is having paksha bala and is placed in Kumbha rasi which is a human

> sign.

>

> Sun being the 7th lord and in own house also contributed to the

> characteristic of the wife. Mercury there should represent his first wife

> related to arts and the Sun represents a person in medical profession. The

> facial features and physic of the second wife very nearly represents the

> Simha sign and coupled with Jupiter the 7th lord from Lagna made a much more

> fatter, well built than the native.

>

> 11) Illness etc: lagna lord mercury is retrograde and is combust in the

> 12th aspected by moon and Saturn. Skin afflictions can easily be understood

> from this. Mercury is also having navamsa in the sign occupied by Ketu.

> Venus in the 6th of moon may have also contributed to the illness factor.

>

> 12) financial problems, litigations etc. 2nd house having Jupiter & rahu

> itself is enough to give financial problems. Rahu in the second is

> responsible to make him a spendthrift spending huge money for luxuries and

> frivolous things. Further the moon Labhadhipathy in the placed in the 6th a

> duritha sthana / house of litigations / debts etc. and aspected by the 12th

> lord Sun and lagna lord mercury. Sun indicating government and mercury

> aspect should be reason for compromises and out court settlements. 2nd house

> is also aspected by 8th lord who is along with ketu. This can be said to be

> another reason why he lost most of his money and fell into huge debt. He

> also lost his landed property represented by Jupiter.

>

> 13) Changing of caste : Jupiter+ Rahu – chandala yoga, in the lagna in

> bhava chart. this factor since it is from Bhava chart which is not visible

> in the rasi chart, the result also became a controversy.

>

>

> Now let us try to understand the dasa system.

> Death : Mercury-Rahu-Sun

> 1st marriage : May-1994 : Saturn-Rahu-Ketu / Venus

> Saturn being the Chandra lord and rahu along with Jupiter the 7th lord.

> Venus / Ketu are associated with the Jupiter being in the Kendra and Venus

> being the Jupiter's sign lord and kalatra karaka.

>

> divorce after 2 years during Saturn-Jupiter : very much evident from above

> explanations due to proximity of Rahu & aspect of mars and the first

> marriage happened during the malefic planets period which did not had any

> direct relationship with the 7th.

>

> 2nd marriage around 1996 : Saturn-Jupiter till 30-Nov-1997 : again same as

> above. However, Jupiter being the 7th lord, the marriage also gave him two

> children though did not survive due to the above reasons.

>

> hence the first child must have been born during this period (wife seems to

> be pregnant even before marriage) and the second in Mercury-Mercury

> period. Saturn is the 5th lord and Jupiter is the santhana karaka. Mercury

> is also the 5th lord from moon and lagna lord.

>

> divorce in 1999. during Mercury-Mercury Retrograde lagna lord mercury in

> the 7th of Moon and 12th of lagna.

>

> Third child in 2002 during Mercury-Venus : venus aspects the 5th bhava and

> has navamsa there.

>

> The factors regarding his rise in the music world and turning into a huge

> business for others and himself can only be attributed to the Mars – Jupiter

> aspect in the 2nd and Moon+Sun+Mercury combination.

>

> There are many more factors to be checked before arriving at the correct

> time such as effects of Navamsa, Dwadasamsa, aspects, kalahora, Chandra

> kriya, Chandra avastha, Chandra vela etc.

>

> I shall post a similar analysis with Gemini Lagna also.

>

>

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

>

, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Members

> >

> > the death of the PoP Music world so suddenly has shocked the wolrd of

> instant entertainment as much like is IDOL, ELVIS PREISLEY's

> >

> > a great singer, humanitarian with the LIVE AID concerts concept for the

> AFRICAN famine relief is a landmark stage professionally and a s a human

> being where he brought the best of the show biz to perform raise money for

> relief

> >

> > anyone with his data can use use the following points and coment on the

> chart for discussion

> >

> > Prashant

> >

> > August 29,

> > 1958: Born in Gary, Indiana.

> >

> > August 1962: Singing debut

> > with his brothers, The Jackson Five.

> >

> > March 1969: First Jackson

> > Five contract with Tamla Motown, Detroit's black-owned record label.

> Michael's

> > voice propels the group onto the hit parade with " ABC " and " I'll Be

> > There " .

> >

> > 1970: Launch of solo

> > career alongside that of the Jackson Five.

> >

> > August 1979: Release of " Off

> > The Wall " album, produced by Quincy Jones, which sold 11 million copies.

> >

> > December 1982: release of

> > " Thriller " album, whose seven hits included " Billie Jean " and " Beat It, "

> pushing

> > sales to 50 million copies worldwide.

> >

> > 1984: Jackson's face gets

> > burnt during filming for a Pepsi ad.

> >

> > 1985: Buys ATV Music -- a

> > company with rights to John Lennon and Paul McCartney songs -- for 47.5

> million

> > dollars.

> >

> > 1985: Jackson

> > writes " We Are The World, " which benefited the fight against hunger in

> Africa.

> >

> > 1987: Release of " Bad, "

> > which sold 26 million copies and marked the end of his collaboration with

> Quincy

> > Jones.

> >

> > 1988: His

> > autobiography " Moonwalk " comes out.

> >

> > 1990: Michael Jackson is

> > seen for the first time wearing a surgical mask in public/

> >

> > 1992: Release of

> > " Dangerous, " which sold 22 million copies/

> >

> > August 1993: A father

> > accuses Jackson of molesting his 13-year-old son, but settles out of

> court/

> >

> > May 1994: February 1996:

> > marriage to Lisa Marie Presley, daughter of Elvis/

> >

> > June 1995: Release of

> > " History " album/

> >

> > November

> > 1996-October 1999: Marriage to Debbie Rowe, a 37-year-old nurse with

> whom

> > he has two children, Prince Michael and Paris Michael Katherine

> > .

> > October 2001: Release of

> > " Invincible " .

> >

> > July 2002: Jackson accuses record labels of exploiting artists,

> especially

> > African-Americans.

> >

> > November 19,

> > 2002: Scandal after Jackson dangles his third son, nine-month-old Prince

> > Michael II, from a Berlin hotel balcony.

> >

> > January 31, 2003: Sotheby's

> > auction house sues for non-payment of 1.7 million dollars for two

> paintings.

> >

> > February 3: In documentary " Living with Michael Jackson " broadcast on

> ITV, Jackson claims never to have

> > abused a child, merely to have shared his bed.

> >

> > February: The singer's manager brings a 13-million-dollar lawsuit for

> back salary, which is settled out

> > of court in June.

> >

> > November

> > 18: Police raid Jackson's Neverland ranch in California as " Number Ones "

> > album is released.

> >

> > November

> > 19: Warrant issued for Jackson's arrest on several counts of child

> > molestation.

> >

> > November 20: Jackson is arrested and handcuffed after surrendering to

> police, held briefly

> > then released on bail.

> >

> > December

> > 18: Michael Jackson is formally charged with child molestation.

> >

> > January 16, 2004: Jackson

> > pleads not guilty during his first appearance amid a media circus.

> >

> > January 31, 2005: Michael

> > Jackson trial begins with jury selection.

> >

> > February 28, 2005: Opening

> > arguments begin in trial.

> >

> > June 4,

> > 2005: Jurors begin considering their verdict.

> >

> > June 13, 2005: Jackson

> > acquitted on all charges against him.

> >

> > March 5, 2009: Jackson

> > announces series of comeback concerts in London -- billed as the " final

> curtain "

> > -- his first major shows for more than a decade.

> >

> > May 20, 2009: Jackson delays

> > comeback shows. Concert organizers say singer's health is " fantastic " .

> >

> > June 25, 2009: Jackson dies

> > in Los Angeles.

> >

> >

> >

> > G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> >

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