2 New Jaimini Manuscripts Uploaded - Saptarishis Astrology

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Dear Friends,

 

On this auspicious occasion of Guru Poornima, pls find 2 new manuscripts

of Jaimini Sutras commentary that were hitherto unavailable. These have

been uploaded due to the kindness of Mr Ravindra Bhagavat. The

manuscripts can be found in the Jaimini Astrology section at

http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/manuscripts.php

<http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/manuscripts.php>

 

 

 

· Jaimini Sutras – Venkatesh Vyakhya

<http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/manuscripts.php> – as provided

by Ravindra Bhagavat.

 

· Jaimini Sutras – Balakrishnanda Saraswati

<http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/manuscripts.php> – as provided

by Ravindra Bhagavat.

 

 

 

We request Jaimini Astrology scholars especially who know Sanskrit to

kindly translate the above two commentaries and get it published

anywhere for the benefit of jyotishis. As told to us the Venkatesh

Vyakhya (commentary) contains when & how to use 7 charakaraka in 8

planets scheme (not 7), why Rahu cannot be Atmakaraka, a fact not known

to us today. Most important is when any shastra is taught the Guru (if

from a parampara) needs to quote the various ancient commentaries on

that subject along with the shloka as per tradition, this practice has

been followed since time immemorial in India and now it is extinct and

hence degradation of shastra and as a result Dharma happens.

 

 

 

This particular manuscript was given to a famous Jaimini astrologer

ParamGuru from a parampara in front of us in Jan 2005 at a jyotish

conference but inspite of 4 years passing by not a single page has come

from his kind self, maybe he got busy & blame cannot be put on one

single person for not coming out with the translation, we all must come

together and do a joint effort, so we request all jaimini astrology

lovers to come forward and get it translated otherwise the state of

Jaimini astrology will continue to remain in darkness and only

misguidance to clients and self will be achieved. Let us leave something

meaningful to read for our future births as astrologers.

 

 

 

Regards,

 

 

 

Admin

Saptarishis Astrology - Free Digital Global Astro Magazine

 

As Read In 96 Countries

 

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[Guest guest]

Namaste,

 

> We request Jaimini Astrology scholars especially who know Sanskrit to

> kindly translate the above two commentaries and get it published

> anywhere for the benefit of jyotishis. As told to us the Venkatesh

> Vyakhya (commentary) contains when & how to use 7 charakaraka in 8

> planets scheme (not 7), why Rahu cannot be Atmakaraka, a fact not known

> to us today.

 

Though it was very tough given the quality of scanning the difficult

hand-writing, I attempted to read the sections in Venkatesha Vyakhya related to

chara karaka calculation. I do not find any statements that Rahu cannot be

Atmakaraka. On the contrary, he seems to suggest the possibility of Rahu being

aatma kaaraka.

 

The sutra of Jaimini is: " aatmaadhikaH kalaadibhiH nabhogaH saptaanaaM

aShTamaanaaM vaa " (aatmaa is the higher planet by kalas, among seven or eight).

 

Venkatesha expands this in his commentary as " ravyaadiinaaM shanyantaanaaM

saptaanaaM raahvantaanaaM aShTaanaaM vaa madhye yo nabhogo grahaH " (among the

seven planets starting from Sun and ending with Saturn or the eight planets

ending with Rahu, whichever planet that moves in the sky). If Rahu is not

allowed to be AK, there is no need to specifically mention " eight planets ending

with Rahu " in the commentary on the sutra dealing with the calculation of AK.

Thus, whoever interpreted Venkatesha vyakhya to you has misunderstood and jumped

to conclusions.

 

Some scholars may have interpreted the word " nabhoga " that is used in the

commentary as a qualifier to the word " graha " (planet) to imply a physical

planet and hence ruled out Rahu. However, nabhoga only means " one who moves in

the sky " and could indicate Rahu too. It does not exclude mathematical points

(or celestial beings representing mathematical points) that move in the sky.

 

The way I read it, Jaimini used " nabhoga " to mean a planet and Venkatesha caused

confusion by using both the words nabhoga and graha. The word nabhoga itself can

mean planet and there is no need to use both the words nabhoga and graha. Some

scholars may be tempted to read between the lines from this double expression,

but one should not miss the obvious reference to " eight planets ending with

Rahu " .

 

I absolutely do not see Venkatesha endorsing the view that Rahu cannot be aatma

kaaraka.

 

* * *

 

> This particular manuscript was given to a famous Jaimini astrologer

> ParamGuru from a parampara in front of us in Jan 2005 at a jyotish

> conference but inspite of 4 years passing by not a single page has come

> from his kind self, maybe he got busy & blame cannot be put on one

> single person for not coming out with the translation,

 

If there isn't ANY intention to " blame " , then why even mention this?

 

Different people pursue different priorities. It is wrong to expect specific

things from people and be disappointed.

 

* * *

 

> Let us leave something

> meaningful to read for our future births as astrologers.

 

A very noble way to put it! Yes, what we do, write and spread is not just for

others, but for our own sake too. It expands our safety net if we were to come

back!

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

 

Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

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sohamsa , Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar wrote:

>

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------

> saptarishisastrology <saptarishisastrology

> 2009/7/7

> [vedic astrology] 2 New Jaimini Manuscripts Uploaded -

> Saptarishis Astrology

> vedic astrology

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> On this auspicious occasion of Guru Poornima, pls find 2 new manuscripts

> of Jaimini Sutras commentary that were hitherto unavailable. These have

> been uploaded due to the kindness of Mr Ravindra Bhagavat. The

> manuscripts can be found at

> http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/manuscripts.php

> <http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/manuscripts.php>

>

> · Jaimini Sutras – Venkatesh Vyakhya

> <http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/manuscripts.php> – as provided

> by Ravindra Bhagavat.

> [http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/images/new3.gif]

>

> · Jaimini Sutras – Balakrishnanda Saraswati

> <http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/manuscripts.php> – as provided

> by Ravindra Bhagavat.

> [http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/images/new3.gif]

>

> We request Jaimini Astrology scholars especially who know Sanskrit to

> kindly translate the above two commentaries and get it published

> anywhere for the benefit of jyotishis. As told to us the Venkatesh

> Vyakhya (commentary) contains when & how to use 7 charakaraka in 8

> planets scheme (not 7), why Rahu cannot be Atmakaraka, a fact not known

> to us today. Most important is when any shastra is taught the Guru (if

> from a parampara) needs to quote the various ancient commentaries on

> that subject along with the shloka as per tradition, this practice has

> been followed since time immemorial in India and now it is extinct and

> hence degradation of shastra and as a result Dharma happens.

>

> This particular manuscript was given to a famous Jaimini astrologer

> ParamGuru from a parampara in front of us in Jan 2005 at a jyotish

> conference but inspite of 4 years passing by not a single page has come

> from his kind self, maybe he got busy & blame cannot be put on one

> single person for not coming out with the translation, we all must come

> together and do a joint effort, so we request all jaimini astrology

> lovers to come forward and get it translated otherwise the state of

> Jaimini astrology will continue to remain in darkness and only

> misguidance to clients and self will be achieved. Let us leave something

> meaningful to read for our future births as astrologers.

>

> Regards,

>

> Admin

> Saptarishis Astrology - Free Digital Global Astro Magazine

>

> As Read In 96 Countries

>

> www.saptarishisastrology.com <www.saptarishisastrology.com>

>

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[Guest guest]

My salutations to PVR Rao Ji and Editor of Saptarishi,

 

I have seen both the manuscripts which happen to be the same. The Venkatesh

version is but a copy of Krishnanand version (more or less) and it is mentioned

in the manuscript. " shri Balakrishnayati..... "

 

Krishnanand version is available in Digital Library Project of India (CDAC,

Noida)for download in the name of " jaimini Sutravritti " except for first few

pages and later portions but good about more than 150 pages are avilable. I must

thank the suplier of the first pages at Saptrishi which were missing from my

copy. Krishnanand has mostly relied upon Nilakanth's Tika and Vriddha karikas.

 

His choice for seven Char Karakas is quite clear though he has not outrightly

rejected eight Char Karkas. It is, however, interesting to read his account of

" Lopo Bhavati " of the eight Char Karaka. Equally interesting are his hints on

treatment of Saptamamsa and Dwadasamasa to study " karkamsa " results which is

relevent not only for AK but for all karakas. Also it has been made clear which

types of amsa to be used.

 

His exposition on Char Rasi dasa is as given by KNR for calculation of Rasi

years, the order and start point of Dasa.

 

Now coming to translation. Who is going to translate only 20 or 30 pages when

the complete version is available ? supplying only 50 pages is of no use and

waste of efforts. Any serious effort maker would think twice over it before

commencing translation.

 

Secondly, handling such handwritten manuscripts where every thing is running

through the begining to the end of the lines, would require masterly skills and

not ordinary sanskrit knowledge, besides fully knowing vocabulary of the

jaimini.

 

Kindly pardon me if I have read any thing wrong through the manuscripts.

 

I suggest the coplete manuscript be laid out for someone to make an effort.

 

Thanking you and my Pranaama at this Sandhya Kala.

 

 

 

vedic astrology , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote:

>

> Namaste,

>

> > We request Jaimini Astrology scholars especially who know Sanskrit to

> > kindly translate the above two commentaries and get it published

> > anywhere for the benefit of jyotishis. As told to us the Venkatesh

> > Vyakhya (commentary) contains when & how to use 7 charakaraka in 8

> > planets scheme (not 7), why Rahu cannot be Atmakaraka, a fact not known

> > to us today.

>

> Though it was very tough given the quality of scanning the difficult

hand-writing, I attempted to read the sections in Venkatesha Vyakhya related to

chara karaka calculation. I do not find any statements that Rahu cannot be

Atmakaraka. On the contrary, he seems to suggest the possibility of Rahu being

aatma kaaraka.

>

> The sutra of Jaimini is: " aatmaadhikaH kalaadibhiH nabhogaH saptaanaaM

aShTamaanaaM vaa " (aatmaa is the higher planet by kalas, among seven or eight).

>

> Venkatesha expands this in his commentary as " ravyaadiinaaM shanyantaanaaM

saptaanaaM raahvantaanaaM aShTaanaaM vaa madhye yo nabhogo grahaH " (among the

seven planets starting from Sun and ending with Saturn or the eight planets

ending with Rahu, whichever planet that moves in the sky). If Rahu is not

allowed to be AK, there is no need to specifically mention " eight planets ending

with Rahu " in the commentary on the sutra dealing with the calculation of AK.

Thus, whoever interpreted Venkatesha vyakhya to you has misunderstood and jumped

to conclusions.

>

> Some scholars may have interpreted the word " nabhoga " that is used in the

commentary as a qualifier to the word " graha " (planet) to imply a physical

planet and hence ruled out Rahu. However, nabhoga only means " one who moves in

the sky " and could indicate Rahu too. It does not exclude mathematical points

(or celestial beings representing mathematical points) that move in the sky.

>

> The way I read it, Jaimini used " nabhoga " to mean a planet and Venkatesha

caused confusion by using both the words nabhoga and graha. The word nabhoga

itself can mean planet and there is no need to use both the words nabhoga and

graha. Some scholars may be tempted to read between the lines from this double

expression, but one should not miss the obvious reference to " eight planets

ending with Rahu " .

>

> I absolutely do not see Venkatesha endorsing the view that Rahu cannot be

aatma kaaraka.

>

> * * *

>

> > This particular manuscript was given to a famous Jaimini astrologer

> > ParamGuru from a parampara in front of us in Jan 2005 at a jyotish

> > conference but inspite of 4 years passing by not a single page has come

> > from his kind self, maybe he got busy & blame cannot be put on one

> > single person for not coming out with the translation,

>

> If there isn't ANY intention to " blame " , then why even mention this?

>

> Different people pursue different priorities. It is wrong to expect specific

things from people and be disappointed.

>

> * * *

>

> > Let us leave something

> > meaningful to read for our future births as astrologers.

>

> A very noble way to put it! Yes, what we do, write and spread is not just for

others, but for our own sake too. It expands our safety net if we were to come

back!

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

>

> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

> Spirituality:

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

>

>

> sohamsa , Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar@> wrote:

> >

> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------

> > saptarishisastrology <saptarishisastrology@>

> > 2009/7/7

> > [vedic astrology] 2 New Jaimini Manuscripts Uploaded -

> > Saptarishis Astrology

> > vedic astrology

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > On this auspicious occasion of Guru Poornima, pls find 2 new manuscripts

> > of Jaimini Sutras commentary that were hitherto unavailable. These have

> > been uploaded due to the kindness of Mr Ravindra Bhagavat. The

> > manuscripts can be found at

> > http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/manuscripts.php

> > <http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/manuscripts.php>

> >

> > · Jaimini Sutras – Venkatesh Vyakhya

> > <http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/manuscripts.php> – as provided

> > by Ravindra Bhagavat.

> > [http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/images/new3.gif]

> >

> > · Jaimini Sutras – Balakrishnanda Saraswati

> > <http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/manuscripts.php> – as provided

> > by Ravindra Bhagavat.

> > [http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/images/new3.gif]

> >

> > We request Jaimini Astrology scholars especially who know Sanskrit to

> > kindly translate the above two commentaries and get it published

> > anywhere for the benefit of jyotishis. As told to us the Venkatesh

> > Vyakhya (commentary) contains when & how to use 7 charakaraka in 8

> > planets scheme (not 7), why Rahu cannot be Atmakaraka, a fact not known

> > to us today. Most important is when any shastra is taught the Guru (if

> > from a parampara) needs to quote the various ancient commentaries on

> > that subject along with the shloka as per tradition, this practice has

> > been followed since time immemorial in India and now it is extinct and

> > hence degradation of shastra and as a result Dharma happens.

> >

> > This particular manuscript was given to a famous Jaimini astrologer

> > ParamGuru from a parampara in front of us in Jan 2005 at a jyotish

> > conference but inspite of 4 years passing by not a single page has come

> > from his kind self, maybe he got busy & blame cannot be put on one

> > single person for not coming out with the translation, we all must come

> > together and do a joint effort, so we request all jaimini astrology

> > lovers to come forward and get it translated otherwise the state of

> > Jaimini astrology will continue to remain in darkness and only

> > misguidance to clients and self will be achieved. Let us leave something

> > meaningful to read for our future births as astrologers.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Admin

> > Saptarishis Astrology - Free Digital Global Astro Magazine

> >

> > As Read In 96 Countries

> >

> > www.saptarishisastrology.com <www.saptarishisastrology.com>

> >

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> > business of Saptarishis Astrology is proprietary to the company. Any

> > view or opinion expressed in this message may be the view of the

> > individual and should not automatically be ascribed to the company. If

> > you are not the intended recipient, you may not peruse, use,

> > disseminate, distribute or copy this message. If you have received this

> > message in error, please notify the sender immediately by email,

> > facsimile or telephone and destroy the original message.

> >

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> > ********************************************************

>

[Guest guest]

Dear PVR ji,

 

 

 

Namaste.

 

 

 

I am attaching sthira karaka chapter from “Jaimini Sutramirtham†by Sri

Iranganti Rangacharya. As we are discussing whether Rahu can be taken as AK or

not, I thought this chapter would throw us more light or stir our thoughts. Can

you please go through the attached chapter (if you have not read the book

before) and provide us your comments? We all will be extremely grateful if a

Sanskrit scholar like you has a look at this chapter and provide comments?

 

 

 

Dear Shanmukha,

 

 

 

I might be making a mistake here by posting a chapter from your Guru ji’s book

with out seeking prior permission. Kindly excuse me for this. I could not resist

posting it here.

 

 

 

Regards,

 

nagarjuna

 

 

 

________________________________

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of

Narasimha PVR Rao

Friday, July 10, 2009 5:03 PM

sohamsa ; vedic astrology

Re: 2 New Jaimini Manuscripts Uploaded - Saptarishis

Astrology

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Namaste,

 

> We request Jaimini Astrology scholars especially who know Sanskrit to

> kindly translate the above two commentaries and get it published

> anywhere for the benefit of jyotishis. As told to us the Venkatesh

> Vyakhya (commentary) contains when & how to use 7 charakaraka in 8

> planets scheme (not 7), why Rahu cannot be Atmakaraka, a fact not known

> to us today.

 

Though it was very tough given the quality of scanning the difficult

hand-writing, I attempted to read the sections in Venkatesha Vyakhya related to

chara karaka calculation. I do not find any statements that Rahu cannot be

Atmakaraka. On the contrary, he seems to suggest the possibility of Rahu being

aatma kaaraka.

 

The sutra of Jaimini is: " aatmaadhikaH kalaadibhiH nabhogaH saptaanaaM

aShTamaanaaM vaa " (aatmaa is the higher planet by kalas, among seven or eight).

 

Venkatesha expands this in his commentary as " ravyaadiinaaM shanyantaanaaM

saptaanaaM raahvantaanaaM aShTaanaaM vaa madhye yo nabhogo grahaH " (among the

seven planets starting from Sun and ending with Saturn or the eight planets

ending with Rahu, whichever planet that moves in the sky). If Rahu is not

allowed to be AK, there is no need to specifically mention " eight planets ending

with Rahu " in the commentary on the sutra dealing with the calculation of AK.

Thus, whoever interpreted Venkatesha vyakhya to you has misunderstood and jumped

to conclusions.

 

Some scholars may have interpreted the word " nabhoga " that is used in the

commentary as a qualifier to the word " graha " (planet) to imply a physical

planet and hence ruled out Rahu. However, nabhoga only means " one who moves in

the sky " and could indicate Rahu too. It does not exclude mathematical points

(or celestial beings representing mathematical points) that move in the sky.

 

The way I read it, Jaimini used " nabhoga " to mean a planet and Venkatesha caused

confusion by using both the words nabhoga and graha. The word nabhoga itself can

mean planet and there is no need to use both the words nabhoga and graha. Some

scholars may be tempted to read between the lines from this double expression,

but one should not miss the obvious reference to " eight planets ending with

Rahu " .

 

I absolutely do not see Venkatesha endorsing the view that Rahu cannot be aatma

kaaraka.

 

* * *

 

> This particular manuscript was given to a famous Jaimini astrologer

> ParamGuru from a parampara in front of us in Jan 2005 at a jyotish

> conference but inspite of 4 years passing by not a single page has come

> from his kind self, maybe he got busy & blame cannot be put on one

> single person for not coming out with the translation,

 

If there isn't ANY intention to " blame " , then why even mention this?

 

Different people pursue different priorities. It is wrong to expect specific

things from people and be disappointed.

 

* * *

 

> Let us leave something

> meaningful to read for our future births as astrologers.

 

A very noble way to put it! Yes, what we do, write and spread is not just for

others, but for our own sake too. It expands our safety net if we were to come

back!

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

-------------------------

Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

<http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam>

Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

<http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana>

Spirituality:

<>

Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

<http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net>

Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

<http://www.VedicAstrologer.org>

Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

<http://www.SriJagannath.org>

-------------------------

 

sohamsa <sohamsa%40> , Sanjay

Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar wrote:

>

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------

> saptarishisastrology <saptarishisastrology

> 2009/7/7

> [vedic astrology] 2 New Jaimini Manuscripts Uploaded -

> Saptarishis Astrology

> vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40>

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> On this auspicious occasion of Guru Poornima, pls find 2 new manuscripts

> of Jaimini Sutras commentary that were hitherto unavailable. These have

> been uploaded due to the kindness of Mr Ravindra Bhagavat. The

> manuscripts can be found at

> http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/manuscripts.php

<http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/manuscripts.php>

> <http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/manuscripts.php

<http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/manuscripts.php> >

>

> · Jaimini Sutras – Venkatesh Vyakhya

> <http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/manuscripts.php

<http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/manuscripts.php> > – as provided

> by Ravindra Bhagavat.

> [http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/images/new3.gif

<http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/images/new3.gif> ]

>

> · Jaimini Sutras – Balakrishnanda Saraswati

> <http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/manuscripts.php

<http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/manuscripts.php> > – as provided

> by Ravindra Bhagavat.

> [http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/images/new3.gif

<http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/images/new3.gif> ]

>

> We request Jaimini Astrology scholars especially who know Sanskrit to

> kindly translate the above two commentaries and get it published

> anywhere for the benefit of jyotishis. As told to us the Venkatesh

> Vyakhya (commentary) contains when & how to use 7 charakaraka in 8

> planets scheme (not 7), why Rahu cannot be Atmakaraka, a fact not known

> to us today. Most important is when any shastra is taught the Guru (if

> from a parampara) needs to quote the various ancient commentaries on

> that subject along with the shloka as per tradition, this practice has

> been followed since time immemorial in India and now it is extinct and

> hence degradation of shastra and as a result Dharma happens.

>

> This particular manuscript was given to a famous Jaimini astrologer

> ParamGuru from a parampara in front of us in Jan 2005 at a jyotish

> conference but inspite of 4 years passing by not a single page has come

> from his kind self, maybe he got busy & blame cannot be put on one

> single person for not coming out with the translation, we all must come

> together and do a joint effort, so we request all jaimini astrology

> lovers to come forward and get it translated otherwise the state of

> Jaimini astrology will continue to remain in darkness and only

> misguidance to clients and self will be achieved. Let us leave something

> meaningful to read for our future births as astrologers.

>

> Regards,

>

> Admin

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Dear PVR ji, Namaste. I am attaching sthira karaka chapter from “JaiminiSutramirtham†by Sri Iranganti Rangacharya. As we are discussing whether Rahucan be taken as AK or not, I thought this chapter would throw us more light orstir our thoughts. Can you please go through the attached chapter (if you havenot read the book before) and provide us your comments? We all will beextremely grateful if a Sanskrit scholar like you has a look at this chapterand provide comments? Dear Shanmukha, I might be making a mistake here byposting a chapter from your Guru ji’s book with out seeking prior permission.Kindly excuse me for this. I could not resist posting it here. Regards,nagarjuna sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Narasimha PVR RaoFriday, July 10, 2009 5:03PMsohamsa ;vedic astrology Subject: Re: 2 New JaiminiManuscripts Uploaded - Saptarishis Astrology Namaste,> We request Jaimini Astrology scholars especially who know Sanskrit to> kindly translate the above two commentaries and get it published> anywhere for the benefit of jyotishis. As told to us the Venkatesh> Vyakhya (commentary) contains when & how to use 7 charakaraka in 8> planets scheme (not 7), why Rahu cannot be Atmakaraka, a fact not known> to us today.Though it was very tough given the quality of scanning the difficult hand-writing,I attempted to read the sections in Venkatesha Vyakhya related to chara karakacalculation. I do not find any statements that Rahu cannot be Atmakaraka. Onthe contrary, he seems to suggest the possibility of Rahu being aatma kaaraka.The sutra of Jaimini is: " aatmaadhikaH kalaadibhiH nabhogaH saptaanaaMaShTamaanaaM vaa " (aatmaa is the higher planet by kalas, among seven oreight).Venkatesha expands this in his commentary as " ravyaadiinaaM shanyantaanaaMsaptaanaaM raahvantaanaaM aShTaanaaM vaa madhye yo nabhogo grahaH " (amongthe seven planets starting from Sun and ending with Saturn or the eight planetsending with Rahu, whichever planet that moves in the sky). If Rahu is notallowed to be AK, there is no need to specifically mention " eight planetsending with Rahu " in the commentary on the sutra dealing with thecalculation of AK. Thus, whoever interpreted Venkatesha vyakhya to you hasmisunderstood and jumped to conclusions.Some scholars may have interpreted the word " nabhoga " that is used inthe commentary as a qualifier to the word " graha " (planet) to imply aphysical planet and hence ruled out Rahu. However, nabhoga only means " onewho moves in the sky " and could indicate Rahu too. It does not excludemathematical points (or celestial beings representing mathematical points) thatmove in the sky.The way I read it, Jaimini used " nabhoga " to mean a planet andVenkatesha caused confusion by using both the words nabhoga and graha. The wordnabhoga itself can mean planet and there is no need to use both the wordsnabhoga and graha. Some scholars may be tempted to read between the lines fromthis double expression, but one should not miss the obvious reference to " eight planets ending with Rahu " .I absolutely do not see Venkatesha endorsing the view that Rahu cannot be aatmakaaraka.* * *> This particular manuscript was given to a famous Jaimini astrologer> ParamGuru from a parampara in front of us in Jan 2005 at a jyotish> conference but inspite of 4 years passing by not a single page has come> from his kind self, maybe he got busy & blame cannot be put on one> single person for not coming out with the translation,If there isn't ANY intention to " blame " , then why even mention this?Different people pursue different priorities. It is wrong to expect specificthings from people and be disappointed.* * *> Let us leave something> meaningful to read for our future births as astrologers.A very noble way to put it! Yes, what we do, write and spread is not just forothers, but for our own sake too. It expands our safety net if we were to comeback!Best regards,Narasimha-------------------------Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpanaSpirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org---------------------------- In sohamsa ,Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar wrote:>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------> saptarishisastrology <saptarishisastrology> 2009/7/7> [vedic astrology] 2 New Jaimini Manuscripts Uploaded -> Saptarishis Astrology> vedic astrology > > Dear Friends,> > On this auspicious occasion of Guru Poornima, pls find 2 new manuscripts> of Jaimini Sutras commentary that were hitherto unavailable. These have> been uploaded due to the kindness of Mr Ravindra Bhagavat. The> manuscripts can be found at> http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/manuscripts.php> <http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/manuscripts.php>> > · Jaimini Sutras – Venkatesh Vyakhya> <http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/manuscripts.php>– as provided> by Ravindra Bhagavat.> [http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/images/new3.gif]> > · Jaimini Sutras – Balakrishnanda Saraswati> <http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/manuscripts.php>– as provided> by Ravindra Bhagavat.> [http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/images/new3.gif]> > We request Jaimini Astrology scholars especially who know Sanskrit to> kindly translate the above two commentaries and get it published> anywhere for the benefit of jyotishis. As told to us the Venkatesh> Vyakhya (commentary) contains when & how to use 7 charakaraka in 8> planets scheme (not 7), why Rahu cannot be Atmakaraka, a fact not known> to us today. Most important is when any shastra is taught the Guru (if> from a parampara) needs to quote the various ancient commentaries on> that subject along with the shloka as per tradition, this practice has> been followed since time immemorial in India and now it is extinct and> hence degradation of shastra and as a result Dharma happens.> > This particular manuscript was given to a famous Jaimini astrologer> ParamGuru from a parampara in front of us in Jan 2005 at a jyotish> conference but inspite of 4 years passing by not a single page has come> from his kind self, maybe he got busy & blame cannot be put on one> single person for not coming out with the translation, we all must come> together and do a joint effort, so we request all jaimini astrology> lovers to come forward and get it translated otherwise the state of> Jaimini astrology will continue to remain in darkness and only> misguidance to clients and self will be achieved. Let us leave something> meaningful to read for our future births as astrologers.> > Regards,> > Admin> Saptarishis Astrology - Free Digital Global Astro Magazine> > As Read In 96 Countries> > www.saptarishisastrology.com <www.saptarishisastrology.com>> > ************************************************************************\> ************************************************************************\> ********************************************************> Everything in this e-mail and attachments relating to the official> business of Saptarishis Astrology is proprietary to the company. Any> view or opinion expressed in this message may be the view of the> individual and should not automatically be ascribed to the company. If> you are not the intended recipient, you may not peruse, use,> disseminate, distribute or copy this message. 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Dear Shanmukha,

 

 

 

Greetings. How are you?

 

 

 

I do not feel alright about scanning the book now. I have removed the uploaded

file from the files section. I will write to your Guru ji seeking his permission

and then post it.

 

 

 

Regards,

 

nagarjuna

 

 

 

________________________________

 

vedic astrology [vedic astrology ]

On Behalf Of Shanmukha

Tuesday, July 28, 2009 1:42 AM

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] Re: 2 New Jaimini Manuscripts Uploaded -

Saptarishis Astrology

 

 

 

 

 

Om Namah Sivaya,

 

Namaste Sri Nagarjuna,

 

It is not necessary to ask my excuses. I am neither author or the publisher. It

is a copyrighted book and photocopying without his permission is upto you.

 

As I understand it, Rahu becoming Atma Karaka is not mentioned in Venkatesa

Commentary.

 

A great Jaimini scholar, who translated BHPS has quoted some Sanskrit text

claiminig from the commentary by Venkatesa. In that he clearly explained about

only 7 Chara Karaka theory endorsed by Venkatesa.

 

Yet, the above cited Sanskrit text is not available in the commentary posted by

SA Website.

 

So, there can be three possiblities.

 

One, I might have misunderstood, whic is remote chance, since that traslation of

BPHS is in my mother tongue.

 

Second, the author might have quoted another Venkatesa.

 

Third, there might be another variation of Venkatesa commentary available with

the author which is different from the one posted.

 

I firmly believe that the third possibility, since most of the text look similar

except the 7 CK issue. And the author supports 8 CK including Rahu.

 

Regards,

Shanmukha

 

vedic astrology

<vedic astrology%40> , " CHERUKURI, NAGARJUNA (ATTSI) "

<nc161d wrote:

>

> Dear PVR ji,

>

>

>

> Namaste.

>

>

>

> I am attaching sthira karaka chapter from “Jaimini Sutramirthamâ€Â

by Sri Iranganti Rangacharya. As we are discussing whether Rahu can be taken as

AK or not, I thought this chapter would throw us more light or stir our

thoughts. Can you please go through the attached chapter (if you have not read

the book before) and provide us your comments? We all will be extremely grateful

if a Sanskrit scholar like you has a look at this chapter and provide comments?

>

>

>

> Dear Shanmukha,

>

>

>

> I might be making a mistake here by posting a chapter from your Guru

ji’s book with out seeking prior permission. Kindly excuse me for this. I

could not resist posting it here.

>

>

>

> Regards,

>

> nagarjuna

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

[sohamsa <sohamsa%40> ] On Behalf

Of Narasimha PVR Rao

> Friday, July 10, 2009 5:03 PM

> sohamsa <sohamsa%40> ;

vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40>

> Re: 2 New Jaimini Manuscripts Uploaded - Saptarishis

Astrology

>

>

Namaste,

>

> > We request Jaimini Astrology scholars especially who know Sanskrit to

> > kindly translate the above two commentaries and get it published

> > anywhere for the benefit of jyotishis. As told to us the Venkatesh

> > Vyakhya (commentary) contains when & how to use 7 charakaraka in 8

> > planets scheme (not 7), why Rahu cannot be Atmakaraka, a fact not known

> > to us today.

>

> Though it was very tough given the quality of scanning the difficult

hand-writing, I attempted to read the sections in Venkatesha Vyakhya related to

chara karaka calculation. I do not find any statements that Rahu cannot be

Atmakaraka. On the contrary, he seems to suggest the possibility of Rahu being

aatma kaaraka.

>

> The sutra of Jaimini is: " aatmaadhikaH kalaadibhiH nabhogaH saptaanaaM

aShTamaanaaM vaa " (aatmaa is the higher planet by kalas, among seven or eight).

>

> Venkatesha expands this in his commentary as " ravyaadiinaaM shanyantaanaaM

saptaanaaM raahvantaanaaM aShTaanaaM vaa madhye yo nabhogo grahaH " (among the

seven planets starting from Sun and ending with Saturn or the eight planets

ending with Rahu, whichever planet that moves in the sky). If Rahu is not

allowed to be AK, there is no need to specifically mention " eight planets ending

with Rahu " in the commentary on the sutra dealing with the calculation of AK.

Thus, whoever interpreted Venkatesha vyakhya to you has misunderstood and jumped

to conclusions.

>

> Some scholars may have interpreted the word " nabhoga " that is used in the

commentary as a qualifier to the word " graha " (planet) to imply a physical

planet and hence ruled out Rahu. However, nabhoga only means " one who moves in

the sky " and could indicate Rahu too. It does not exclude mathematical points

(or celestial beings representing mathematical points) that move in the sky.

>

> The way I read it, Jaimini used " nabhoga " to mean a planet and Venkatesha

caused confusion by using both the words nabhoga and graha. The word nabhoga

itself can mean planet and there is no need to use both the words nabhoga and

graha. Some scholars may be tempted to read between the lines from this double

expression, but one should not miss the obvious reference to " eight planets

ending with Rahu " .

>

> I absolutely do not see Venkatesha endorsing the view that Rahu cannot be

aatma kaaraka.

>

> * * *

>

> > This particular manuscript was given to a famous Jaimini astrologer

> > ParamGuru from a parampara in front of us in Jan 2005 at a jyotish

> > conference but inspite of 4 years passing by not a single page has come

> > from his kind self, maybe he got busy & blame cannot be put on one

> > single person for not coming out with the translation,

>

> If there isn't ANY intention to " blame " , then why even mention this?

>

> Different people pursue different priorities. It is wrong to expect specific

things from people and be disappointed.

>

> * * *

>

> > Let us leave something

> > meaningful to read for our future births as astrologers.

>

> A very noble way to put it! Yes, what we do, write and spread is not just for

others, but for our own sake too. It expands our safety net if we were to come

back!

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

> -------------------------

> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

<http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam> <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

<http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam> >

> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

<http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana>

<http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana>

>

> Spirituality:

<>

<

<> >

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

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<http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> <http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

<http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> >

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> sohamsa <sohamsa%40>

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> >

> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------

> > saptarishisastrology <saptarishisastrology@>

> > 2009/7/7

> > [vedic astrology] 2 New Jaimini Manuscripts Uploaded -

> > Saptarishis Astrology

> > vedic astrology

<vedic astrology%40>

<vedic astrology%40>

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > On this auspicious occasion of Guru Poornima, pls find 2 new manuscripts

> > of Jaimini Sutras commentary that were hitherto unavailable. These have

> > been uploaded due to the kindness of Mr Ravindra Bhagavat. The

> > manuscripts can be found at

> > http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/manuscripts.php

<http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/manuscripts.php>

<http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/manuscripts.php

<http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/manuscripts.php> >

> > <http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/manuscripts.php

<http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/manuscripts.php>

<http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/manuscripts.php

<http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/manuscripts.php> > >

> >

> > · Jaimini Sutras – Venkatesh Vyakhya

> > <http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/manuscripts.php

<http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/manuscripts.php>

<http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/manuscripts.php

<http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/manuscripts.php> > > – as

provided

> > by Ravindra Bhagavat.

> > [http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/images/new3.gif

<http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/images/new3.gif>

<http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/images/new3.gif

<http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/images/new3.gif> > ]

> >

> > · Jaimini Sutras – Balakrishnanda Saraswati

> > <http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/manuscripts.php

<http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/manuscripts.php>

<http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/manuscripts.php

<http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/manuscripts.php> > > – as

provided

> > by Ravindra Bhagavat.

> > [http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/images/new3.gif

<http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/images/new3.gif>

<http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/images/new3.gif

<http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/images/new3.gif> > ]

> >

> > We request Jaimini Astrology scholars especially who know Sanskrit to

> > kindly translate the above two commentaries and get it published

> > anywhere for the benefit of jyotishis. As told to us the Venkatesh

> > Vyakhya (commentary) contains when & how to use 7 charakaraka in 8

> > planets scheme (not 7), why Rahu cannot be Atmakaraka, a fact not known

> > to us today. Most important is when any shastra is taught the Guru (if

> > from a parampara) needs to quote the various ancient commentaries on

> > that subject along with the shloka as per tradition, this practice has

> > been followed since time immemorial in India and now it is extinct and

> > hence degradation of shastra and as a result Dharma happens.

> >

> > This particular manuscript was given to a famous Jaimini astrologer

> > ParamGuru from a parampara in front of us in Jan 2005 at a jyotish

> > conference but inspite of 4 years passing by not a single page has come

> > from his kind self, maybe he got busy & blame cannot be put on one

> > single person for not coming out with the translation, we all must come

> > together and do a joint effort, so we request all jaimini astrology

> > lovers to come forward and get it translated otherwise the state of

> > Jaimini astrology will continue to remain in darkness and only

> > misguidance to clients and self will be achieved. Let us leave something

> > meaningful to read for our future births as astrologers.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Admin

> > Saptarishis Astrology - Free Digital Global Astro Magazine

> >

> > As Read In 96 Countries

> >

> > www.saptarishisastrology.com <www.saptarishisastrology.com>

> >

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> > disseminate, distribute or copy this message. If you have received this

> > message in error, please notify the sender immediately by email,

> > facsimile or telephone and destroy the original message.

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