Guest guest Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 respected astrologers, can i be a astrologer. can it clearified by my birth chart. pls reply. my name is anil sharma, d.o.b. is 29-dec-1973, time of birth is 01:25 am, place is barraut(u.p.) near delhi. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 Yes you can! Absolutely ;-) I hope you are not too new to Internet? Rohiniranjan , " anil sharma " <anil_aries28 wrote: > > respected astrologers, can i be a astrologer. can it clearified by my birth chart. pls reply. my name is anil sharma, d.o.b. is 29-dec-1973, time of birth is 01:25 am, place is barraut(u.p.) near delhi. thanks > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 <<Can 'I' be 'AN' Astrologer?>> Okay I confess! This posting by me was a tongue-in-cheek one not so much to test but to demonstrate that this forum has TRUST incorporated in it. If you are sincere, your words will be accepted and respected and treated with TRUST! Bravo Moderators!! Dear Anil Sharmaji, Kaun banega Jyotishi? Pretty much anyone! That part was sincere! I have seen that happen over the last 30-40 years that I have spent in the fields of jyotish. But here is the cautionary note: As soon as you ask this question, " Would I, Should I, Can I...? " you are losing grounds and momentum! In the past I have gone someone brashly against members who asked similar questions on other fora and was taken to task for being honestly brutal, but looking back, I have not been wrong! Those who wanted to be Jyotishis and asked and I questioned -- are still asking for readings and directions and not following advice :-) So when someone asks, can I become a jyotishi or director or doctor or engineer or actor or politician or poet or writer, I immediately sense " cold feet " ! Are you even ready? Only the person who asks can answer! Those who do not waste time asking or doing a feasibility-analysis of wanting to be a jyotishi or not or which Ishta Devtaa they should worship -- often end up with the Right Advice and Direction. Most often it comes via a human being, but always from the right SOURCE! RR <<It is like deciding to be a mother! Not kosher to start that questioning half-way through the pregnancy!! Though many do!!!>> , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Yes you can! Absolutely ;-) > > I hope you are not too new to Internet? > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " anil sharma " <anil_aries28@> wrote: > > > > respected astrologers, can i be a astrologer. can it clearified by my birth chart. pls reply. my name is anil sharma, d.o.b. is 29-dec-1973, time of birth is 01:25 am, place is barraut(u.p.) near delhi. thanks > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 Dear Anil Sharma Ur chart does favours u will become a astrologer, but it is also very important that after u learn astrology u want use this knowledge as a profession and u want to serve the mankind or u want to do both serve also and also be professional. The chart should support ur future plans. As per ur chart u can learn astrology and apply it in serving mankind but as a profession it does not favours u. HARESH(HARRY)NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstroRemedies Subscribe on this link http://in.Chandra-AdityaAstroRemedies For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to haresh1405/hareshgnathani call +91 9867214103 ________________________________ anil sharma <anil_aries28 Wednesday, 8 July, 2009 7:42:21 PM can i be a astrologer respected astrologers, can i be a astrologer. can it clearified by my birth chart. pls reply. my name is anil sharma, d.o.b. is 29-dec-1973, time of birth is 01:25 am, place is barraut(u.p. ) near delhi. thanks Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Click here http://cricket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Dear Haresh ji, A very important distinction you made! I once ran into a bit of trouble once when a very passionate individual (a friend of a friend of a friend) asked me a similar question. She did not like my answer which was negative and since the person was 'drifting' and dabbling in a bit of this a bit of that occult, I presumed that she was asking about profession and earning through astrology. I felt bad because this person was really interested in astrology as a subject and was hard-working and very methodical and organized in terms of collecting charts, doing her homework etc. I did manage to bring her morale up once I tuned in and explained that I simply meant " little possibility of earning through astrology and to the extent where astrology alone or mostly can pay for your food and shelter -- which is essentially what being a professional astrologer entails! " . She sounded relieved and convinced but I do not know where she is and I can just hope that my blunt reply did not affect her zeal! Then again she may have proved me wrong by now and maybe is minting money using " astrology " ! The world of astrology is becoming so complex these days...! Regards, RR , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405 wrote: > > Dear Anil Sharma > > Ur chart does favours u will become a astrologer, but it is also very important that after u learn astrology u want use this knowledge as a profession and u want to serve the mankind or u want to do both serve also and also be professional. > > The chart should support ur future plans. As per ur chart u can learn astrology and apply it in serving mankind but as a profession it does not favours u. > > HARESH(HARRY)NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstroRemedies > Subscribe on this link http://in.Chandra-AdityaAstroRemedies > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > haresh1405/hareshgnathani call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > ________________________________ > anil sharma <anil_aries28 > > Wednesday, 8 July, 2009 7:42:21 PM > can i be a astrologer > > > > > > respected astrologers, can i be a astrologer. can it clearified by my birth chart. pls reply. my name is anil sharma, d.o.b. is 29-dec-1973, time of birth is 01:25 am, place is barraut(u.p. ) near delhi. thanks > > > > > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Click here http://cricket. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Dear RR Dada A very good response u hv given. It does inspires to me and a lot other natives who r part of the various forums, as the native who is asking for a reading, when he/she recives varied replies from many astrologers, does gets confused and then the thought of why not I should also become a astrologer arises. After learning astrology from my Guru and when I started getting response from various forums where I am associated with, did inspire me to be a professional astrologer. To become a professional astrologer it is very much necessary the chart supports u to be a professional astrologer, else service to mankind is the another mode of astrology. There are many debates on the astrologer charging for the services, if the natives chart says that the native will apply astrology in the modern way and shows a way to freedom to some extent from the miseries, why not be professional, as we are living in a modern society and except air we breath everything comes with a price. Apart from being professional it is also a must that the astrologer serves for the benefit of mankind hence all the services given are not professional. May be 40 to 50% professional and the rest for service to mankind is a good one. The astrologer is the one who works like a doctor. Just as a doctor diagnosis the disease and then recommends the medicines which will heal the ailment diagonised, simillarly the astrologer also does the same thing that the problem is diagonised for the miseries the native is suffering, and the requisite prayer is recommended as a remedy measure for relief from misery. It is not 100% full proof but 70 to 80% results can be achieved as except God nobody is perfect. In the good old days we had ayurvedic doctors or vaidyas and the system of payment was in kind for the services renedered by the vaidya, this has now become obsolete. In modern times a fees is being charged by vaidya or doctors of modern times. The present society has accepted it and all doctor are now at free will charge fees for consultation, but the same system has not been fully accepted as far as astrology is concerned. An astrologer takes lot of pain and thinking in showing the way as per the natives chart, but it is very unfortunate on the part of many astrologers that their suggestion is taken to deaf ears and the native rather working its way out of misery sticks to ones own reason and concept and thus results are not visible for them. The natives is not willing to accept the reality that due to the effect of malefic planet, transition is happening in the natives life but due to material contamination, a mirage influence in the mind of the future, miseries rule and we fall pray to it. Once you had mentioned Mr. B V Raman's quote " " Fools are controlled by planets and Wise control them " " , this is a very important thing u hv mentioned which I realised but coz of material contamination and helplessness, no head has been given to the members who read the mails. Hence, to conclude, it is good to get inspired to become a astrologer and I am also of the thinking that if u are getting an opportunity to learn astrology one should grab it with both hands as an opportunity, as astrology may not be fruitful profession for some, but it will certainly help in planning one's future and rather getting controlled by palnets, atleast we are in a position to contoll it. Astrology is science, it speaks of reality, transition, changes, accountability of our past karmas and this way we are loving God, rather accussing God for our miseries, we should thank God for showing us a way. One should not forget, God favours who love Him the most, if u are sufferring but u r thanking God for the miseries and also contnuing to love Him, God will come 10 steps towards you for every step towards God. HARESH(HARRY)NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstroRemedies Subscribe on this link http://in.Chandra-AdityaAstroRemedies For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to haresh1405/hareshgnathani call +91 9867214103 ________________________________ Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Friday, 10 July, 2009 5:27:36 AM Re: can i be a astrologer Dear Haresh ji, A very important distinction you made! I once ran into a bit of trouble once when a very passionate individual (a friend of a friend of a friend) asked me a similar question. She did not like my answer which was negative and since the person was 'drifting' and dabbling in a bit of this a bit of that occult, I presumed that she was asking about profession and earning through astrology. I felt bad because this person was really interested in astrology as a subject and was hard-working and very methodical and organized in terms of collecting charts, doing her homework etc. I did manage to bring her morale up once I tuned in and explained that I simply meant " little possibility of earning through astrology and to the extent where astrology alone or mostly can pay for your food and shelter -- which is essentially what being a professional astrologer entails! " . She sounded relieved and convinced but I do not know where she is and I can just hope that my blunt reply did not affect her zeal! Then again she may have proved me wrong by now and maybe is minting money using " astrology " ! The world of astrology is becoming so complex these days...! Regards, RR , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Anil Sharma > > Ur chart does favours u will become a astrologer, but it is also very important that after u learn astrology u want use this knowledge as a profession and u want to serve the mankind or u want to do both serve also and also be professional. > > The chart should support ur future plans. As per ur chart u can learn astrology and apply it in serving mankind but as a profession it does not favours u. > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ ... > Subscribe on this link http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > haresh1405@. ../hareshgnathan i call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > anil sharma <anil_aries28@ ...> > > Wednesday, 8 July, 2009 7:42:21 PM > can i be a astrologer > > > > > > respected astrologers, can i be a astrologer. can it clearified by my birth chart. pls reply. my name is anil sharma, d.o.b. is 29-dec-1973, time of birth is 01:25 am, place is barraut(u.p. ) near delhi. thanks > > > > > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Click here http://cricket. ..com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Haresh Bhai, I have always been bemused by people who preach that Astrology should become a social service and woe upon those who charge for a reading which takes quite a lot of time and is hard work and all those years of studying and practising on your own - it extracts a lot of energy and life-force over the years. The rewards more than make up for it, of course if one is sincere. Leaving aside Mahamunis like Parashara or Satyacharya or Jaimini perhaps, ancient astrologers of repute (For instance Varaha Mihira) were supported by the Maharajas and Emperors, so obviously they did not need to charge. Now someone may get all excited and furious and misinterpret me and blame me for being arrogant in comparing us modern jyotishis with Varahamihira! That is not my point! In ancient societies societies realized the social significance of jyotishis and hermits and monks and they were looked after. Most of them did not have significant needs because the society was simpler. But " energy-exchange " has always existed. This is the ATAL niyam of worldly existence. Sure there are fraudulent astrologers (but would I call them astrologers?) just as there are shyster doctors and corrupt engineers and house-builders and of course corrupt politicians and businessmen. But people, particularly on internet, love to bring along a very broad brush and begin painting their projected frustration all over. Tha is wrong. There are government and philanthropic grants that support scientific research and trillions of dollars have been given away globally to scientists and fundamental and applied research. Yes there have been major progresses and many if not all people live longer and at least sizeable some of these live healthier, at least for much of their lives. Why does the world complain against astrology and challenge it to prove its worth without giving it any support? It is PERFECTLY valid to charge for astrology. Either the world can learn it by themselves and become self-sufficient or when they knock on the door of an astrologer and expect them to perform miracles -- they must pay! I think most sincere astrologers build into their practice a certain amount of free readings and flexible fees but that is a privilege they offer and no client must claim that as some birthright! Respectfully submitted, Rohiniranjan , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405 wrote: > > Dear RR Dada > > A very good response u hv given. It does inspires to me and a lot other natives who r part of the various forums, as the native who is asking for a reading, when he/she recives varied replies from many astrologers, does gets confused and then the thought of why not I should also become a astrologer arises. > > After learning astrology from my Guru and when I started getting response from various forums where I am associated with, did inspire me to be a professional astrologer. To become a professional astrologer it is very much necessary the chart supports u to be a professional astrologer, else service to mankind is the another mode of astrology. > > There are many debates on the astrologer charging for the services, if the natives chart says that the native will apply astrology in the modern way and shows a way to freedom to some extent from the miseries, why not be professional, as we are living in a modern society and except air we breath everything comes with a price. > > Apart from being professional it is also a must that the astrologer serves for the benefit of mankind hence all the services given are not professional. May be 40 to 50% professional and the rest for service to mankind is a good one. > > The astrologer is the one who works like a doctor. Just as a doctor diagnosis the disease and then recommends the medicines which will heal the ailment diagonised, simillarly the astrologer also does the same thing that the problem is diagonised for the miseries the native is suffering, and the requisite prayer is recommended as a remedy measure for relief from misery. It is not 100% full proof but 70 to 80% results can be achieved as except God nobody is perfect. > > In the good old days we had ayurvedic doctors or vaidyas and the system of payment was in kind for the services renedered by the vaidya, this has now become obsolete. In modern times a fees is being charged by vaidya or doctors of modern times. The present society has accepted it and all doctor are now at free will charge fees for consultation, but the same system has not been fully accepted as far as astrology is concerned. > > An astrologer takes lot of pain and thinking in showing the way as per the natives chart, but it is very unfortunate on the part of many astrologers that their suggestion is taken to deaf ears and the native rather working its way out of misery sticks to ones own reason and concept and thus results are not visible for them. > > The natives is not willing to accept the reality that due to the effect of malefic planet, transition is happening in the natives life but due to material contamination, a mirage influence in the mind of the future, miseries rule and we fall pray to it. Once you had mentioned Mr. B V Raman's quote " " Fools are controlled by planets and Wise control them " " , this is a very important thing u hv mentioned which I realised but coz of material contamination and helplessness, no head has been given to the members who read the mails. > > Hence, to conclude, it is good to get inspired to become a astrologer and I am also of the thinking that if u are getting an opportunity to learn astrology one should grab it with both hands as an opportunity, as astrology may not be fruitful profession for some, but it will certainly help in planning one's future and rather getting controlled by palnets, atleast we are in a position to contoll it. Astrology is science, it speaks of reality, transition, changes, accountability of our past karmas and this way we are loving God, rather accussing God for our miseries, we should thank God for showing us a way. One should not forget, God favours who love Him the most, if u are sufferring but u r thanking God for the miseries and also contnuing to love Him, God will come 10 steps towards you for every step towards God. > > > > HARESH(HARRY)NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstroRemedies > Subscribe on this link http://in.Chandra-AdityaAstroRemedies > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > haresh1405/hareshgnathani call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > ________________________________ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > > Friday, 10 July, 2009 5:27:36 AM > Re: can i be a astrologer > > > > > > Dear Haresh ji, > > A very important distinction you made! I once ran into a bit of trouble once when a very passionate individual (a friend of a friend of a friend) asked me a similar question. She did not like my answer which was negative and since the person was 'drifting' and dabbling in a bit of this a bit of that occult, I presumed that she was asking about profession and earning through astrology. I felt bad because this person was really interested in astrology as a subject and was hard-working and very methodical and organized in terms of collecting charts, doing her homework etc. I did manage to bring her morale up once I tuned in and explained that I simply meant " little possibility of earning through astrology and to the extent where astrology alone or mostly can pay for your food and shelter -- which is essentially what being a professional astrologer entails! " . She sounded relieved and convinced but I do not know where she is and I can just hope that my blunt > reply did not affect her zeal! Then again she may have proved me wrong by now and maybe is minting money using " astrology " ! > > The world of astrology is becoming so complex these days...! > > Regards, > > RR > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Anil Sharma > > > > Ur chart does favours u will become a astrologer, but it is also very important that after u learn astrology u want use this knowledge as a profession and u want to serve the mankind or u want to do both serve also and also be professional. > > > > The chart should support ur future plans. As per ur chart u can learn astrology and apply it in serving mankind but as a profession it does not favours u. > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ ... > > Subscribe on this link http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > > haresh1405@ ../hareshgnathan i call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > anil sharma <anil_aries28@ ...> > > > > Wednesday, 8 July, 2009 7:42:21 PM > > can i be a astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > respected astrologers, can i be a astrologer. can it clearified by my birth chart. pls reply. my name is anil sharma, d.o.b. is 29-dec-1973, time of birth is 01:25 am, place is barraut(u.p. ) near delhi. thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. 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Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Dear RR Dada I do agree in totto with you the point u hv made, but I was trying to highlight one aspect, that people get inspired and carried away on the flourish on part of some astrolgers and feel inspired by taking astrology as their part or means of profession. What I am trying to convey with the example was that one should learn astrology and contribute to society as a service, but if ur chart supports this as a means of resource then u can stick to it else astrology should not be restricted just to means of resources but a guiding source in our own personal lifes and also to others who depend on us and also with whom we associate. HARESH(HARRY)NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstroRemedies Subscribe on this link http://in.Chandra-AdityaAstroRemedies For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to haresh1405/hareshgnathani call +91 9867214103 ________________________________ Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Saturday, 11 July, 2009 5:01:09 AM Re: can i be a astrologer Haresh Bhai, I have always been bemused by people who preach that Astrology should become a social service and woe upon those who charge for a reading which takes quite a lot of time and is hard work and all those years of studying and practising on your own - it extracts a lot of energy and life-force over the years. The rewards more than make up for it, of course if one is sincere. Leaving aside Mahamunis like Parashara or Satyacharya or Jaimini perhaps, ancient astrologers of repute (For instance Varaha Mihira) were supported by the Maharajas and Emperors, so obviously they did not need to charge. Now someone may get all excited and furious and misinterpret me and blame me for being arrogant in comparing us modern jyotishis with Varahamihira! That is not my point! In ancient societies societies realized the social significance of jyotishis and hermits and monks and they were looked after. Most of them did not have significant needs because the society was simpler. But " energy-exchange " has always existed. This is the ATAL niyam of worldly existence. Sure there are fraudulent astrologers (but would I call them astrologers? ) just as there are shyster doctors and corrupt engineers and house-builders and of course corrupt politicians and businessmen. But people, particularly on internet, love to bring along a very broad brush and begin painting their projected frustration all over. Tha is wrong. There are government and philanthropic grants that support scientific research and trillions of dollars have been given away globally to scientists and fundamental and applied research. Yes there have been major progresses and many if not all people live longer and at least sizeable some of these live healthier, at least for much of their lives. Why does the world complain against astrology and challenge it to prove its worth without giving it any support? It is PERFECTLY valid to charge for astrology. Either the world can learn it by themselves and become self-sufficient or when they knock on the door of an astrologer and expect them to perform miracles -- they must pay! I think most sincere astrologers build into their practice a certain amount of free readings and flexible fees but that is a privilege they offer and no client must claim that as some birthright! Respectfully submitted, Rohiniranjan , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > Dear RR Dada > > A very good response u hv given. It does inspires to me and a lot other natives who r part of the various forums, as the native who is asking for a reading, when he/she recives varied replies from many astrologers, does gets confused and then the thought of why not I should also become a astrologer arises. > > After learning astrology from my Guru and when I started getting response from various forums where I am associated with, did inspire me to be a professional astrologer. To become a professional astrologer it is very much necessary the chart supports u to be a professional astrologer, else service to mankind is the another mode of astrology. > > There are many debates on the astrologer charging for the services, if the natives chart says that the native will apply astrology in the modern way and shows a way to freedom to some extent from the miseries, why not be professional, as we are living in a modern society and except air we breath everything comes with a price. > > Apart from being professional it is also a must that the astrologer serves for the benefit of mankind hence all the services given are not professional. May be 40 to 50% professional and the rest for service to mankind is a good one. > > The astrologer is the one who works like a doctor. Just as a doctor diagnosis the disease and then recommends the medicines which will heal the ailment diagonised, simillarly the astrologer also does the same thing that the problem is diagonised for the miseries the native is suffering, and the requisite prayer is recommended as a remedy measure for relief from misery. It is not 100% full proof but 70 to 80% results can be achieved as except God nobody is perfect. > > In the good old days we had ayurvedic doctors or vaidyas and the system of payment was in kind for the services renedered by the vaidya, this has now become obsolete. In modern times a fees is being charged by vaidya or doctors of modern times. The present society has accepted it and all doctor are now at free will charge fees for consultation, but the same system has not been fully accepted as far as astrology is concerned. > > An astrologer takes lot of pain and thinking in showing the way as per the natives chart, but it is very unfortunate on the part of many astrologers that their suggestion is taken to deaf ears and the native rather working its way out of misery sticks to ones own reason and concept and thus results are not visible for them. > > The natives is not willing to accept the reality that due to the effect of malefic planet, transition is happening in the natives life but due to material contamination, a mirage influence in the mind of the future, miseries rule and we fall pray to it. Once you had mentioned Mr. B V Raman's quote " " Fools are controlled by planets and Wise control them " " , this is a very important thing u hv mentioned which I realised but coz of material contamination and helplessness, no head has been given to the members who read the mails. > > Hence, to conclude, it is good to get inspired to become a astrologer and I am also of the thinking that if u are getting an opportunity to learn astrology one should grab it with both hands as an opportunity, as astrology may not be fruitful profession for some, but it will certainly help in planning one's future and rather getting controlled by palnets, atleast we are in a position to contoll it. Astrology is science, it speaks of reality, transition, changes, accountability of our past karmas and this way we are loving God, rather accussing God for our miseries, we should thank God for showing us a way. One should not forget, God favours who love Him the most, if u are sufferring but u r thanking God for the miseries and also contnuing to love Him, God will come 10 steps towards you for every step towards God. > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ ... > Subscribe on this link http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > haresh1405@. ../hareshgnathan i call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > Friday, 10 July, 2009 5:27:36 AM > Re: can i be a astrologer > > > > > > Dear Haresh ji, > > A very important distinction you made! I once ran into a bit of trouble once when a very passionate individual (a friend of a friend of a friend) asked me a similar question. She did not like my answer which was negative and since the person was 'drifting' and dabbling in a bit of this a bit of that occult, I presumed that she was asking about profession and earning through astrology. I felt bad because this person was really interested in astrology as a subject and was hard-working and very methodical and organized in terms of collecting charts, doing her homework etc. I did manage to bring her morale up once I tuned in and explained that I simply meant " little possibility of earning through astrology and to the extent where astrology alone or mostly can pay for your food and shelter -- which is essentially what being a professional astrologer entails! " . She sounded relieved and convinced but I do not know where she is and I can just hope that my blunt > reply did not affect her zeal! Then again she may have proved me wrong by now and maybe is minting money using " astrology " ! > > The world of astrology is becoming so complex these days...! > > Regards, > > RR > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Anil Sharma > > > > Ur chart does favours u will become a astrologer, but it is also very important that after u learn astrology u want use this knowledge as a profession and u want to serve the mankind or u want to do both serve also and also be professional. > > > > The chart should support ur future plans. As per ur chart u can learn astrology and apply it in serving mankind but as a profession it does not favours u. > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ ... > > Subscribe on this link http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > > haresh1405@ ../hareshgnathan i call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > anil sharma <anil_aries28@ ...> > > > > Wednesday, 8 July, 2009 7:42:21 PM > > can i be a astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > respected astrologers, can i be a astrologer. can it clearified by my birth chart. pls reply. my name is anil sharma, d.o.b. is 29-dec-1973, time of birth is 01:25 am, place is barraut(u.p. ) near delhi. thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. 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Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Are Mothers given to us, no matter what? Do we Find mothers? Do Mothers find us? Should Astrology be any different? RR , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405 wrote: > > Dear RR Dada > > I do agree in totto with you the point u hv made, but I was trying to highlight one aspect, that people get inspired and carried away on the flourish on part of some astrolgers and feel inspired by taking astrology as their part or means of profession. > > What I am trying to convey with the example was that one should learn astrology and contribute to society as a service, but if ur chart supports this as a means of resource then u can stick to it else astrology should not be restricted just to means of resources but a guiding source in our own personal lifes and also to others who depend on us and also with whom we associate. > > > > HARESH(HARRY)NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstroRemedies > Subscribe on this link http://in.Chandra-AdityaAstroRemedies > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > haresh1405/hareshgnathani call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > ________________________________ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > > Saturday, 11 July, 2009 5:01:09 AM > Re: can i be a astrologer > > > > > > Haresh Bhai, > > I have always been bemused by people who preach that Astrology should become a social service and woe upon those who charge for a reading which takes quite a lot of time and is hard work and all those years of studying and practising on your own - it extracts a lot of energy and life-force over the years. The rewards more than make up for it, of course if one is sincere. > > Leaving aside Mahamunis like Parashara or Satyacharya or Jaimini perhaps, ancient astrologers of repute (For instance Varaha Mihira) were supported by the Maharajas and Emperors, so obviously they did not need to charge. Now someone may get all excited and furious and misinterpret me and blame me for being arrogant in comparing us modern jyotishis with Varahamihira! That is not my point! In ancient societies societies realized the social significance of jyotishis and hermits and monks and they were looked after. Most of them did not have significant needs because the society was simpler. But " energy-exchange " has always existed. This is the ATAL niyam of worldly existence. > > Sure there are fraudulent astrologers (but would I call them astrologers? ) just as there are shyster doctors and corrupt engineers and house-builders and of course corrupt politicians and businessmen. But people, particularly on internet, love to bring along a very broad brush and begin painting their projected frustration all over. Tha is wrong. > > There are government and philanthropic grants that support scientific research and trillions of dollars have been given away globally to scientists and fundamental and applied research. Yes there have been major progresses and many if not all people live longer and at least sizeable some of these live healthier, at least for much of their lives. Why does the world complain against astrology and challenge it to prove its worth without giving it any support? > > It is PERFECTLY valid to charge for astrology. Either the world can learn it by themselves and become self-sufficient or when they knock on the door of an astrologer and expect them to perform miracles -- they must pay! > > I think most sincere astrologers build into their practice a certain amount of free readings and flexible fees but that is a privilege they offer and no client must claim that as some birthright! > > Respectfully submitted, > > Rohiniranjan > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear RR Dada > > > > A very good response u hv given. It does inspires to me and a lot other natives who r part of the various forums, as the native who is asking for a reading, when he/she recives varied replies from many astrologers, does gets confused and then the thought of why not I should also become a astrologer arises. > > > > After learning astrology from my Guru and when I started getting response from various forums where I am associated with, did inspire me to be a professional astrologer. To become a professional astrologer it is very much necessary the chart supports u to be a professional astrologer, else service to mankind is the another mode of astrology. > > > > There are many debates on the astrologer charging for the services, if the natives chart says that the native will apply astrology in the modern way and shows a way to freedom to some extent from the miseries, why not be professional, as we are living in a modern society and except air we breath everything comes with a price. > > > > Apart from being professional it is also a must that the astrologer serves for the benefit of mankind hence all the services given are not professional. May be 40 to 50% professional and the rest for service to mankind is a good one. > > > > The astrologer is the one who works like a doctor. Just as a doctor diagnosis the disease and then recommends the medicines which will heal the ailment diagonised, simillarly the astrologer also does the same thing that the problem is diagonised for the miseries the native is suffering, and the requisite prayer is recommended as a remedy measure for relief from misery. It is not 100% full proof but 70 to 80% results can be achieved as except God nobody is perfect. > > > > In the good old days we had ayurvedic doctors or vaidyas and the system of payment was in kind for the services renedered by the vaidya, this has now become obsolete. In modern times a fees is being charged by vaidya or doctors of modern times. The present society has accepted it and all doctor are now at free will charge fees for consultation, but the same system has not been fully accepted as far as astrology is concerned. > > > > An astrologer takes lot of pain and thinking in showing the way as per the natives chart, but it is very unfortunate on the part of many astrologers that their suggestion is taken to deaf ears and the native rather working its way out of misery sticks to ones own reason and concept and thus results are not visible for them. > > > > The natives is not willing to accept the reality that due to the effect of malefic planet, transition is happening in the natives life but due to material contamination, a mirage influence in the mind of the future, miseries rule and we fall pray to it. Once you had mentioned Mr. B V Raman's quote " " Fools are controlled by planets and Wise control them " " , this is a very important thing u hv mentioned which I realised but coz of material contamination and helplessness, no head has been given to the members who read the mails. > > > > Hence, to conclude, it is good to get inspired to become a astrologer and I am also of the thinking that if u are getting an opportunity to learn astrology one should grab it with both hands as an opportunity, as astrology may not be fruitful profession for some, but it will certainly help in planning one's future and rather getting controlled by palnets, atleast we are in a position to contoll it. Astrology is science, it speaks of reality, transition, changes, accountability of our past karmas and this way we are loving God, rather accussing God for our miseries, we should thank God for showing us a way. One should not forget, God favours who love Him the most, if u are sufferring but u r thanking God for the miseries and also contnuing to love Him, God will come 10 steps towards you for every step towards God. > > > > > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ ... > > Subscribe on this link http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > > haresh1405@ ../hareshgnathan i call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > Friday, 10 July, 2009 5:27:36 AM > > Re: can i be a astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Haresh ji, > > > > A very important distinction you made! I once ran into a bit of trouble once when a very passionate individual (a friend of a friend of a friend) asked me a similar question. She did not like my answer which was negative and since the person was 'drifting' and dabbling in a bit of this a bit of that occult, I presumed that she was asking about profession and earning through astrology. I felt bad because this person was really interested in astrology as a subject and was hard-working and very methodical and organized in terms of collecting charts, doing her homework etc. I did manage to bring her morale up once I tuned in and explained that I simply meant " little possibility of earning through astrology and to the extent where astrology alone or mostly can pay for your food and shelter -- which is essentially what being a professional astrologer entails! " . She sounded relieved and convinced but I do not know where she is and I can just hope that my blunt > > reply did not affect her zeal! Then again she may have proved me wrong by now and maybe is minting money using " astrology " ! > > > > The world of astrology is becoming so complex these days...! > > > > Regards, > > > > RR > > > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Anil Sharma > > > > > > Ur chart does favours u will become a astrologer, but it is also very important that after u learn astrology u want use this knowledge as a profession and u want to serve the mankind or u want to do both serve also and also be professional. > > > > > > The chart should support ur future plans. As per ur chart u can learn astrology and apply it in serving mankind but as a profession it does not favours u. > > > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ ... > > > Subscribe on this link http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > > > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > > > haresh1405@ ../hareshgnathan i call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > anil sharma <anil_aries28@ ...> > > > > > > Wednesday, 8 July, 2009 7:42:21 PM > > > can i be a astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > respected astrologers, can i be a astrologer. can it clearified by my birth chart. pls reply. my name is anil sharma, d.o.b. is 29-dec-1973, time of birth is 01:25 am, place is barraut(u.p. ) near delhi. thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. 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Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 And Haresh Bhai, what I have been sharing based on my personal experience with jyoish is that there is no Fixed black or white manifestation of astrology! I have a couple of pairs of nativities I ran into in my serving jyotish: The first pair and one of those I knew very closely and for a long time -- One was a surgeon that was brilliant but stiffled by society and politics while the other was a serial killer! The second pair is more benign but even more diverse and intriguing. One is an occultist, the other on -- not really! You will have to take my word for that friends. RR , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405 wrote: > > Dear RR Dada > > I do agree in totto with you the point u hv made, but I was trying to highlight one aspect, that people get inspired and carried away on the flourish on part of some astrolgers and feel inspired by taking astrology as their part or means of profession. > > What I am trying to convey with the example was that one should learn astrology and contribute to society as a service, but if ur chart supports this as a means of resource then u can stick to it else astrology should not be restricted just to means of resources but a guiding source in our own personal lifes and also to others who depend on us and also with whom we associate. > > > > HARESH(HARRY)NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstroRemedies > Subscribe on this link http://in.Chandra-AdityaAstroRemedies > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > haresh1405/hareshgnathani call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > ________________________________ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > > Saturday, 11 July, 2009 5:01:09 AM > Re: can i be a astrologer > > > > > > Haresh Bhai, > > I have always been bemused by people who preach that Astrology should become a social service and woe upon those who charge for a reading which takes quite a lot of time and is hard work and all those years of studying and practising on your own - it extracts a lot of energy and life-force over the years. The rewards more than make up for it, of course if one is sincere. > > Leaving aside Mahamunis like Parashara or Satyacharya or Jaimini perhaps, ancient astrologers of repute (For instance Varaha Mihira) were supported by the Maharajas and Emperors, so obviously they did not need to charge. Now someone may get all excited and furious and misinterpret me and blame me for being arrogant in comparing us modern jyotishis with Varahamihira! That is not my point! In ancient societies societies realized the social significance of jyotishis and hermits and monks and they were looked after. Most of them did not have significant needs because the society was simpler. But " energy-exchange " has always existed. This is the ATAL niyam of worldly existence. > > Sure there are fraudulent astrologers (but would I call them astrologers? ) just as there are shyster doctors and corrupt engineers and house-builders and of course corrupt politicians and businessmen. But people, particularly on internet, love to bring along a very broad brush and begin painting their projected frustration all over. Tha is wrong. > > There are government and philanthropic grants that support scientific research and trillions of dollars have been given away globally to scientists and fundamental and applied research. Yes there have been major progresses and many if not all people live longer and at least sizeable some of these live healthier, at least for much of their lives. Why does the world complain against astrology and challenge it to prove its worth without giving it any support? > > It is PERFECTLY valid to charge for astrology. Either the world can learn it by themselves and become self-sufficient or when they knock on the door of an astrologer and expect them to perform miracles -- they must pay! > > I think most sincere astrologers build into their practice a certain amount of free readings and flexible fees but that is a privilege they offer and no client must claim that as some birthright! > > Respectfully submitted, > > Rohiniranjan > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear RR Dada > > > > A very good response u hv given. It does inspires to me and a lot other natives who r part of the various forums, as the native who is asking for a reading, when he/she recives varied replies from many astrologers, does gets confused and then the thought of why not I should also become a astrologer arises. > > > > After learning astrology from my Guru and when I started getting response from various forums where I am associated with, did inspire me to be a professional astrologer. To become a professional astrologer it is very much necessary the chart supports u to be a professional astrologer, else service to mankind is the another mode of astrology. > > > > There are many debates on the astrologer charging for the services, if the natives chart says that the native will apply astrology in the modern way and shows a way to freedom to some extent from the miseries, why not be professional, as we are living in a modern society and except air we breath everything comes with a price. > > > > Apart from being professional it is also a must that the astrologer serves for the benefit of mankind hence all the services given are not professional. May be 40 to 50% professional and the rest for service to mankind is a good one. > > > > The astrologer is the one who works like a doctor. Just as a doctor diagnosis the disease and then recommends the medicines which will heal the ailment diagonised, simillarly the astrologer also does the same thing that the problem is diagonised for the miseries the native is suffering, and the requisite prayer is recommended as a remedy measure for relief from misery. It is not 100% full proof but 70 to 80% results can be achieved as except God nobody is perfect. > > > > In the good old days we had ayurvedic doctors or vaidyas and the system of payment was in kind for the services renedered by the vaidya, this has now become obsolete. In modern times a fees is being charged by vaidya or doctors of modern times. The present society has accepted it and all doctor are now at free will charge fees for consultation, but the same system has not been fully accepted as far as astrology is concerned. > > > > An astrologer takes lot of pain and thinking in showing the way as per the natives chart, but it is very unfortunate on the part of many astrologers that their suggestion is taken to deaf ears and the native rather working its way out of misery sticks to ones own reason and concept and thus results are not visible for them. > > > > The natives is not willing to accept the reality that due to the effect of malefic planet, transition is happening in the natives life but due to material contamination, a mirage influence in the mind of the future, miseries rule and we fall pray to it. Once you had mentioned Mr. B V Raman's quote " " Fools are controlled by planets and Wise control them " " , this is a very important thing u hv mentioned which I realised but coz of material contamination and helplessness, no head has been given to the members who read the mails. > > > > Hence, to conclude, it is good to get inspired to become a astrologer and I am also of the thinking that if u are getting an opportunity to learn astrology one should grab it with both hands as an opportunity, as astrology may not be fruitful profession for some, but it will certainly help in planning one's future and rather getting controlled by palnets, atleast we are in a position to contoll it. Astrology is science, it speaks of reality, transition, changes, accountability of our past karmas and this way we are loving God, rather accussing God for our miseries, we should thank God for showing us a way. One should not forget, God favours who love Him the most, if u are sufferring but u r thanking God for the miseries and also contnuing to love Him, God will come 10 steps towards you for every step towards God. > > > > > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ ... > > Subscribe on this link http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > > haresh1405@ ../hareshgnathan i call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > Friday, 10 July, 2009 5:27:36 AM > > Re: can i be a astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Haresh ji, > > > > A very important distinction you made! I once ran into a bit of trouble once when a very passionate individual (a friend of a friend of a friend) asked me a similar question. She did not like my answer which was negative and since the person was 'drifting' and dabbling in a bit of this a bit of that occult, I presumed that she was asking about profession and earning through astrology. I felt bad because this person was really interested in astrology as a subject and was hard-working and very methodical and organized in terms of collecting charts, doing her homework etc. I did manage to bring her morale up once I tuned in and explained that I simply meant " little possibility of earning through astrology and to the extent where astrology alone or mostly can pay for your food and shelter -- which is essentially what being a professional astrologer entails! " . She sounded relieved and convinced but I do not know where she is and I can just hope that my blunt > > reply did not affect her zeal! Then again she may have proved me wrong by now and maybe is minting money using " astrology " ! > > > > The world of astrology is becoming so complex these days...! > > > > Regards, > > > > RR > > > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Anil Sharma > > > > > > Ur chart does favours u will become a astrologer, but it is also very important that after u learn astrology u want use this knowledge as a profession and u want to serve the mankind or u want to do both serve also and also be professional. > > > > > > The chart should support ur future plans. As per ur chart u can learn astrology and apply it in serving mankind but as a profession it does not favours u. > > > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ ... > > > Subscribe on this link http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > > > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > > > haresh1405@ ../hareshgnathan i call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > anil sharma <anil_aries28@ ...> > > > > > > Wednesday, 8 July, 2009 7:42:21 PM > > > can i be a astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > respected astrologers, can i be a astrologer. can it clearified by my birth chart. pls reply. my name is anil sharma, d.o.b. is 29-dec-1973, time of birth is 01:25 am, place is barraut(u.p. ) near delhi. thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. 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Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Dear RR dada This is not a spirited reply expected from u. HARESH(HARRY)NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstroRemedies Subscribe on this link http://in.Chandra-AdityaAstroRemedies For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to haresh1405/hareshgnathani call +91 9867214103 ________________________________ Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Saturday, 11 July, 2009 11:14:48 AM Re: can i be a astrologer Are Mothers given to us, no matter what? Do we Find mothers? Do Mothers find us? Should Astrology be any different? RR , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > Dear RR Dada > > I do agree in totto with you the point u hv made, but I was trying to highlight one aspect, that people get inspired and carried away on the flourish on part of some astrolgers and feel inspired by taking astrology as their part or means of profession. > > What I am trying to convey with the example was that one should learn astrology and contribute to society as a service, but if ur chart supports this as a means of resource then u can stick to it else astrology should not be restricted just to means of resources but a guiding source in our own personal lifes and also to others who depend on us and also with whom we associate. > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ ... > Subscribe on this link http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > haresh1405@. ../hareshgnathan i call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > Saturday, 11 July, 2009 5:01:09 AM > Re: can i be a astrologer > > > > > > Haresh Bhai, > > I have always been bemused by people who preach that Astrology should become a social service and woe upon those who charge for a reading which takes quite a lot of time and is hard work and all those years of studying and practising on your own - it extracts a lot of energy and life-force over the years. The rewards more than make up for it, of course if one is sincere. > > Leaving aside Mahamunis like Parashara or Satyacharya or Jaimini perhaps, ancient astrologers of repute (For instance Varaha Mihira) were supported by the Maharajas and Emperors, so obviously they did not need to charge. Now someone may get all excited and furious and misinterpret me and blame me for being arrogant in comparing us modern jyotishis with Varahamihira! That is not my point! In ancient societies societies realized the social significance of jyotishis and hermits and monks and they were looked after. Most of them did not have significant needs because the society was simpler. But " energy-exchange " has always existed. This is the ATAL niyam of worldly existence. > > Sure there are fraudulent astrologers (but would I call them astrologers? ) just as there are shyster doctors and corrupt engineers and house-builders and of course corrupt politicians and businessmen. But people, particularly on internet, love to bring along a very broad brush and begin painting their projected frustration all over. Tha is wrong. > > There are government and philanthropic grants that support scientific research and trillions of dollars have been given away globally to scientists and fundamental and applied research. Yes there have been major progresses and many if not all people live longer and at least sizeable some of these live healthier, at least for much of their lives. Why does the world complain against astrology and challenge it to prove its worth without giving it any support? > > It is PERFECTLY valid to charge for astrology. Either the world can learn it by themselves and become self-sufficient or when they knock on the door of an astrologer and expect them to perform miracles -- they must pay! > > I think most sincere astrologers build into their practice a certain amount of free readings and flexible fees but that is a privilege they offer and no client must claim that as some birthright! > > Respectfully submitted, > > Rohiniranjan > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear RR Dada > > > > A very good response u hv given. It does inspires to me and a lot other natives who r part of the various forums, as the native who is asking for a reading, when he/she recives varied replies from many astrologers, does gets confused and then the thought of why not I should also become a astrologer arises. > > > > After learning astrology from my Guru and when I started getting response from various forums where I am associated with, did inspire me to be a professional astrologer. To become a professional astrologer it is very much necessary the chart supports u to be a professional astrologer, else service to mankind is the another mode of astrology. > > > > There are many debates on the astrologer charging for the services, if the natives chart says that the native will apply astrology in the modern way and shows a way to freedom to some extent from the miseries, why not be professional, as we are living in a modern society and except air we breath everything comes with a price. > > > > Apart from being professional it is also a must that the astrologer serves for the benefit of mankind hence all the services given are not professional. May be 40 to 50% professional and the rest for service to mankind is a good one. > > > > The astrologer is the one who works like a doctor. Just as a doctor diagnosis the disease and then recommends the medicines which will heal the ailment diagonised, simillarly the astrologer also does the same thing that the problem is diagonised for the miseries the native is suffering, and the requisite prayer is recommended as a remedy measure for relief from misery. It is not 100% full proof but 70 to 80% results can be achieved as except God nobody is perfect. > > > > In the good old days we had ayurvedic doctors or vaidyas and the system of payment was in kind for the services renedered by the vaidya, this has now become obsolete. In modern times a fees is being charged by vaidya or doctors of modern times. The present society has accepted it and all doctor are now at free will charge fees for consultation, but the same system has not been fully accepted as far as astrology is concerned. > > > > An astrologer takes lot of pain and thinking in showing the way as per the natives chart, but it is very unfortunate on the part of many astrologers that their suggestion is taken to deaf ears and the native rather working its way out of misery sticks to ones own reason and concept and thus results are not visible for them. > > > > The natives is not willing to accept the reality that due to the effect of malefic planet, transition is happening in the natives life but due to material contamination, a mirage influence in the mind of the future, miseries rule and we fall pray to it. Once you had mentioned Mr. B V Raman's quote " " Fools are controlled by planets and Wise control them " " , this is a very important thing u hv mentioned which I realised but coz of material contamination and helplessness, no head has been given to the members who read the mails. > > > > Hence, to conclude, it is good to get inspired to become a astrologer and I am also of the thinking that if u are getting an opportunity to learn astrology one should grab it with both hands as an opportunity, as astrology may not be fruitful profession for some, but it will certainly help in planning one's future and rather getting controlled by palnets, atleast we are in a position to contoll it. Astrology is science, it speaks of reality, transition, changes, accountability of our past karmas and this way we are loving God, rather accussing God for our miseries, we should thank God for showing us a way. One should not forget, God favours who love Him the most, if u are sufferring but u r thanking God for the miseries and also contnuing to love Him, God will come 10 steps towards you for every step towards God. > > > > > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ ... > > Subscribe on this link http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > > haresh1405@ ../hareshgnathan i call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > Friday, 10 July, 2009 5:27:36 AM > > Re: can i be a astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Haresh ji, > > > > A very important distinction you made! I once ran into a bit of trouble once when a very passionate individual (a friend of a friend of a friend) asked me a similar question. She did not like my answer which was negative and since the person was 'drifting' and dabbling in a bit of this a bit of that occult, I presumed that she was asking about profession and earning through astrology. I felt bad because this person was really interested in astrology as a subject and was hard-working and very methodical and organized in terms of collecting charts, doing her homework etc. I did manage to bring her morale up once I tuned in and explained that I simply meant " little possibility of earning through astrology and to the extent where astrology alone or mostly can pay for your food and shelter -- which is essentially what being a professional astrologer entails! " . She sounded relieved and convinced but I do not know where she is and I can just hope that my blunt > > reply did not affect her zeal! Then again she may have proved me wrong by now and maybe is minting money using " astrology " ! > > > > The world of astrology is becoming so complex these days...! > > > > Regards, > > > > RR > > > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Anil Sharma > > > > > > Ur chart does favours u will become a astrologer, but it is also very important that after u learn astrology u want use this knowledge as a profession and u want to serve the mankind or u want to do both serve also and also be professional. > > > > > > The chart should support ur future plans. As per ur chart u can learn astrology and apply it in serving mankind but as a profession it does not favours u. > > > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ ... > > > Subscribe on this link http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > > > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > > > haresh1405@ ../hareshgnathan i call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > anil sharma <anil_aries28@ ...> > > > > > > Wednesday, 8 July, 2009 7:42:21 PM > > > can i be a astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > respected astrologers, can i be a astrologer. can it clearified by my birth chart. pls reply. my name is anil sharma, d.o.b. is 29-dec-1973, time of birth is 01:25 am, place is barraut(u.p. ) near delhi. thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. 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Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Dear All, I am not very sure of the theme of this discussion. Yet, I feel both Shree Haresh & Shree Rohini are right in their own perspective. If we are considering " Can I learn Astrology " , The answer is yes. Eny one can not only astrology or any science if he inclined towards it and sets his mental powers and takes the pain. However, if the question is " Can I become an Astrologer " , The answer depends on various factors. The counter question is " Can you take the responcibility? " . The knowledge of Astrology, irrespective of whether it is used as a social service or monetory gains requires one to responcible towards your predictions and possible outcome. People at times solely depend on the advice of the astrologer for critical dicisions which affect their lives and near ones drasticaly. Astrologer should understand this very well before venturing into helping others. I know two persons, One son of a highly respected Astrologer, who knows Astrology very well, does not practice. when enquired he replied that it is great responcibility and he is NOT willing to take it. He is doing business. Another is elderly person in my own family who also knows it very well (in fact he gave me his books), will never open his mouth in front of others- he is basicaly scared that his predictions may not be correct or fruitfull. Predictions & understang apart, giving advices on remedies again requires far higher level learning & grace of god. It is here were most of the astrologers fail. It is not that remedies given by even highly learned persons may work, rather it is understanding its reason and faith that sometimes work wonders. Faith on any person also depends on his track record of success and learning. We also find several scholars who knows astrology, never practices it (they may not be good at it), but write very good books & articles. They help others by simplifying the otherwise complicated theories. We also need such people to enhance our knowledge. Then there are persons who look at astrology as a base but view things in a different perspective, may be adjudged as modern. Different views are always welcome since human nature and life is so divergent. However, whether any one using his knowledge to help others in any way, he should himself ask " Am I willing to take the responcibility?. Which should tell what his Chart is made of. A.G.Suresh Babu shenoy , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405 wrote: > > Dear RR dada > > This is not a spirited reply expected from u. > > HARESH(HARRY)NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstroRemedies > Subscribe on this link http://in.Chandra-AdityaAstroRemedies > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > haresh1405/hareshgnathani call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > ________________________________ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > > Saturday, 11 July, 2009 11:14:48 AM > Re: can i be a astrologer > > > > > > Are Mothers given to us, no matter what? > Do we Find mothers? > Do Mothers find us? > > Should Astrology be any different? > > RR > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear RR Dada > > > > I do agree in totto with you the point u hv made, but I was trying to highlight one aspect, that people get inspired and carried away on the flourish on part of some astrolgers and feel inspired by taking astrology as their part or means of profession. > > > > What I am trying to convey with the example was that one should learn astrology and contribute to society as a service, but if ur chart supports this as a means of resource then u can stick to it else astrology should not be restricted just to means of resources but a guiding source in our own personal lifes and also to others who depend on us and also with whom we associate. > > > > > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ ... > > Subscribe on this link http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > > haresh1405@ ../hareshgnathan i call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > Saturday, 11 July, 2009 5:01:09 AM > > Re: can i be a astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > Haresh Bhai, > > > > I have always been bemused by people who preach that Astrology should become a social service and woe upon those who charge for a reading which takes quite a lot of time and is hard work and all those years of studying and practising on your own - it extracts a lot of energy and life-force over the years. The rewards more than make up for it, of course if one is sincere. > > > > Leaving aside Mahamunis like Parashara or Satyacharya or Jaimini perhaps, ancient astrologers of repute (For instance Varaha Mihira) were supported by the Maharajas and Emperors, so obviously they did not need to charge. Now someone may get all excited and furious and misinterpret me and blame me for being arrogant in comparing us modern jyotishis with Varahamihira! That is not my point! In ancient societies societies realized the social significance of jyotishis and hermits and monks and they were looked after. Most of them did not have significant needs because the society was simpler. But " energy-exchange " has always existed. This is the ATAL niyam of worldly existence. > > > > Sure there are fraudulent astrologers (but would I call them astrologers? ) just as there are shyster doctors and corrupt engineers and house-builders and of course corrupt politicians and businessmen. But people, particularly on internet, love to bring along a very broad brush and begin painting their projected frustration all over. Tha is wrong. > > > > There are government and philanthropic grants that support scientific research and trillions of dollars have been given away globally to scientists and fundamental and applied research. Yes there have been major progresses and many if not all people live longer and at least sizeable some of these live healthier, at least for much of their lives. Why does the world complain against astrology and challenge it to prove its worth without giving it any support? > > > > It is PERFECTLY valid to charge for astrology. Either the world can learn it by themselves and become self-sufficient or when they knock on the door of an astrologer and expect them to perform miracles -- they must pay! > > > > I think most sincere astrologers build into their practice a certain amount of free readings and flexible fees but that is a privilege they offer and no client must claim that as some birthright! > > > > Respectfully submitted, > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear RR Dada > > > > > > A very good response u hv given. It does inspires to me and a lot other natives who r part of the various forums, as the native who is asking for a reading, when he/she recives varied replies from many astrologers, does gets confused and then the thought of why not I should also become a astrologer arises. > > > > > > After learning astrology from my Guru and when I started getting response from various forums where I am associated with, did inspire me to be a professional astrologer. To become a professional astrologer it is very much necessary the chart supports u to be a professional astrologer, else service to mankind is the another mode of astrology. > > > > > > There are many debates on the astrologer charging for the services, if the natives chart says that the native will apply astrology in the modern way and shows a way to freedom to some extent from the miseries, why not be professional, as we are living in a modern society and except air we breath everything comes with a price. > > > > > > Apart from being professional it is also a must that the astrologer serves for the benefit of mankind hence all the services given are not professional. May be 40 to 50% professional and the rest for service to mankind is a good one. > > > > > > The astrologer is the one who works like a doctor. Just as a doctor diagnosis the disease and then recommends the medicines which will heal the ailment diagonised, simillarly the astrologer also does the same thing that the problem is diagonised for the miseries the native is suffering, and the requisite prayer is recommended as a remedy measure for relief from misery. It is not 100% full proof but 70 to 80% results can be achieved as except God nobody is perfect. > > > > > > In the good old days we had ayurvedic doctors or vaidyas and the system of payment was in kind for the services renedered by the vaidya, this has now become obsolete. In modern times a fees is being charged by vaidya or doctors of modern times. The present society has accepted it and all doctor are now at free will charge fees for consultation, but the same system has not been fully accepted as far as astrology is concerned. > > > > > > An astrologer takes lot of pain and thinking in showing the way as per the natives chart, but it is very unfortunate on the part of many astrologers that their suggestion is taken to deaf ears and the native rather working its way out of misery sticks to ones own reason and concept and thus results are not visible for them. > > > > > > The natives is not willing to accept the reality that due to the effect of malefic planet, transition is happening in the natives life but due to material contamination, a mirage influence in the mind of the future, miseries rule and we fall pray to it. Once you had mentioned Mr. B V Raman's quote " " Fools are controlled by planets and Wise control them " " , this is a very important thing u hv mentioned which I realised but coz of material contamination and helplessness, no head has been given to the members who read the mails. > > > > > > Hence, to conclude, it is good to get inspired to become a astrologer and I am also of the thinking that if u are getting an opportunity to learn astrology one should grab it with both hands as an opportunity, as astrology may not be fruitful profession for some, but it will certainly help in planning one's future and rather getting controlled by palnets, atleast we are in a position to contoll it. Astrology is science, it speaks of reality, transition, changes, accountability of our past karmas and this way we are loving God, rather accussing God for our miseries, we should thank God for showing us a way. One should not forget, God favours who love Him the most, if u are sufferring but u r thanking God for the miseries and also contnuing to love Him, God will come 10 steps towards you for every step towards God. > > > > > > > > > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ ... > > > Subscribe on this link http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > > > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > > > haresh1405@ ../hareshgnathan i call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > Friday, 10 July, 2009 5:27:36 AM > > > Re: can i be a astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Haresh ji, > > > > > > A very important distinction you made! I once ran into a bit of trouble once when a very passionate individual (a friend of a friend of a friend) asked me a similar question. She did not like my answer which was negative and since the person was 'drifting' and dabbling in a bit of this a bit of that occult, I presumed that she was asking about profession and earning through astrology. I felt bad because this person was really interested in astrology as a subject and was hard-working and very methodical and organized in terms of collecting charts, doing her homework etc. I did manage to bring her morale up once I tuned in and explained that I simply meant " little possibility of earning through astrology and to the extent where astrology alone or mostly can pay for your food and shelter -- which is essentially what being a professional astrologer entails! " . She sounded relieved and convinced but I do not know where she is and I can just hope that my > blunt > > > reply did not affect her zeal! Then again she may have proved me wrong by now and maybe is minting money using " astrology " ! > > > > > > The world of astrology is becoming so complex these days...! > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Anil Sharma > > > > > > > > Ur chart does favours u will become a astrologer, but it is also very important that after u learn astrology u want use this knowledge as a profession and u want to serve the mankind or u want to do both serve also and also be professional. > > > > > > > > The chart should support ur future plans. As per ur chart u can learn astrology and apply it in serving mankind but as a profession it does not favours u. > > > > > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ ... > > > > Subscribe on this link http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > > > > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > > > > haresh1405@ ../hareshgnathan i call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > anil sharma <anil_aries28@ ...> > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 8 July, 2009 7:42:21 PM > > > > can i be a astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > respected astrologers, can i be a astrologer. can it clearified by my birth chart. pls reply. my name is anil sharma, d.o.b. is 29-dec-1973, time of birth is 01:25 am, place is barraut(u.p. ) near delhi. thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love Cricket? 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Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Expected by whom, Haresh ji? Why such expectations? You need to clarify and elaborate a bit more, if you find the time to do so please! RR , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405 wrote: > > Dear RR dada > > This is not a spirited reply expected from u. > > HARESH(HARRY)NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstroRemedies > Subscribe on this link http://in.Chandra-AdityaAstroRemedies > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > haresh1405/hareshgnathani call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > ________________________________ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > > Saturday, 11 July, 2009 11:14:48 AM > Re: can i be a astrologer > > > > > > Are Mothers given to us, no matter what? > Do we Find mothers? > Do Mothers find us? > > Should Astrology be any different? > > RR > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear RR Dada > > > > I do agree in totto with you the point u hv made, but I was trying to highlight one aspect, that people get inspired and carried away on the flourish on part of some astrolgers and feel inspired by taking astrology as their part or means of profession. > > > > What I am trying to convey with the example was that one should learn astrology and contribute to society as a service, but if ur chart supports this as a means of resource then u can stick to it else astrology should not be restricted just to means of resources but a guiding source in our own personal lifes and also to others who depend on us and also with whom we associate. > > > > > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ ... > > Subscribe on this link http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > > haresh1405@ ../hareshgnathan i call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > Saturday, 11 July, 2009 5:01:09 AM > > Re: can i be a astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > Haresh Bhai, > > > > I have always been bemused by people who preach that Astrology should become a social service and woe upon those who charge for a reading which takes quite a lot of time and is hard work and all those years of studying and practising on your own - it extracts a lot of energy and life-force over the years. The rewards more than make up for it, of course if one is sincere. > > > > Leaving aside Mahamunis like Parashara or Satyacharya or Jaimini perhaps, ancient astrologers of repute (For instance Varaha Mihira) were supported by the Maharajas and Emperors, so obviously they did not need to charge. Now someone may get all excited and furious and misinterpret me and blame me for being arrogant in comparing us modern jyotishis with Varahamihira! That is not my point! In ancient societies societies realized the social significance of jyotishis and hermits and monks and they were looked after. Most of them did not have significant needs because the society was simpler. But " energy-exchange " has always existed. This is the ATAL niyam of worldly existence. > > > > Sure there are fraudulent astrologers (but would I call them astrologers? ) just as there are shyster doctors and corrupt engineers and house-builders and of course corrupt politicians and businessmen. But people, particularly on internet, love to bring along a very broad brush and begin painting their projected frustration all over. Tha is wrong. > > > > There are government and philanthropic grants that support scientific research and trillions of dollars have been given away globally to scientists and fundamental and applied research. Yes there have been major progresses and many if not all people live longer and at least sizeable some of these live healthier, at least for much of their lives. Why does the world complain against astrology and challenge it to prove its worth without giving it any support? > > > > It is PERFECTLY valid to charge for astrology. Either the world can learn it by themselves and become self-sufficient or when they knock on the door of an astrologer and expect them to perform miracles -- they must pay! > > > > I think most sincere astrologers build into their practice a certain amount of free readings and flexible fees but that is a privilege they offer and no client must claim that as some birthright! > > > > Respectfully submitted, > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear RR Dada > > > > > > A very good response u hv given. It does inspires to me and a lot other natives who r part of the various forums, as the native who is asking for a reading, when he/she recives varied replies from many astrologers, does gets confused and then the thought of why not I should also become a astrologer arises. > > > > > > After learning astrology from my Guru and when I started getting response from various forums where I am associated with, did inspire me to be a professional astrologer. To become a professional astrologer it is very much necessary the chart supports u to be a professional astrologer, else service to mankind is the another mode of astrology. > > > > > > There are many debates on the astrologer charging for the services, if the natives chart says that the native will apply astrology in the modern way and shows a way to freedom to some extent from the miseries, why not be professional, as we are living in a modern society and except air we breath everything comes with a price. > > > > > > Apart from being professional it is also a must that the astrologer serves for the benefit of mankind hence all the services given are not professional. May be 40 to 50% professional and the rest for service to mankind is a good one. > > > > > > The astrologer is the one who works like a doctor. Just as a doctor diagnosis the disease and then recommends the medicines which will heal the ailment diagonised, simillarly the astrologer also does the same thing that the problem is diagonised for the miseries the native is suffering, and the requisite prayer is recommended as a remedy measure for relief from misery. It is not 100% full proof but 70 to 80% results can be achieved as except God nobody is perfect. > > > > > > In the good old days we had ayurvedic doctors or vaidyas and the system of payment was in kind for the services renedered by the vaidya, this has now become obsolete. In modern times a fees is being charged by vaidya or doctors of modern times. The present society has accepted it and all doctor are now at free will charge fees for consultation, but the same system has not been fully accepted as far as astrology is concerned. > > > > > > An astrologer takes lot of pain and thinking in showing the way as per the natives chart, but it is very unfortunate on the part of many astrologers that their suggestion is taken to deaf ears and the native rather working its way out of misery sticks to ones own reason and concept and thus results are not visible for them. > > > > > > The natives is not willing to accept the reality that due to the effect of malefic planet, transition is happening in the natives life but due to material contamination, a mirage influence in the mind of the future, miseries rule and we fall pray to it. Once you had mentioned Mr. B V Raman's quote " " Fools are controlled by planets and Wise control them " " , this is a very important thing u hv mentioned which I realised but coz of material contamination and helplessness, no head has been given to the members who read the mails. > > > > > > Hence, to conclude, it is good to get inspired to become a astrologer and I am also of the thinking that if u are getting an opportunity to learn astrology one should grab it with both hands as an opportunity, as astrology may not be fruitful profession for some, but it will certainly help in planning one's future and rather getting controlled by palnets, atleast we are in a position to contoll it. Astrology is science, it speaks of reality, transition, changes, accountability of our past karmas and this way we are loving God, rather accussing God for our miseries, we should thank God for showing us a way. One should not forget, God favours who love Him the most, if u are sufferring but u r thanking God for the miseries and also contnuing to love Him, God will come 10 steps towards you for every step towards God. > > > > > > > > > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ ... > > > Subscribe on this link http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > > > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > > > haresh1405@ ../hareshgnathan i call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > Friday, 10 July, 2009 5:27:36 AM > > > Re: can i be a astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Haresh ji, > > > > > > A very important distinction you made! I once ran into a bit of trouble once when a very passionate individual (a friend of a friend of a friend) asked me a similar question. She did not like my answer which was negative and since the person was 'drifting' and dabbling in a bit of this a bit of that occult, I presumed that she was asking about profession and earning through astrology. I felt bad because this person was really interested in astrology as a subject and was hard-working and very methodical and organized in terms of collecting charts, doing her homework etc. I did manage to bring her morale up once I tuned in and explained that I simply meant " little possibility of earning through astrology and to the extent where astrology alone or mostly can pay for your food and shelter -- which is essentially what being a professional astrologer entails! " . She sounded relieved and convinced but I do not know where she is and I can just hope that my > blunt > > > reply did not affect her zeal! Then again she may have proved me wrong by now and maybe is minting money using " astrology " ! > > > > > > The world of astrology is becoming so complex these days...! > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Anil Sharma > > > > > > > > Ur chart does favours u will become a astrologer, but it is also very important that after u learn astrology u want use this knowledge as a profession and u want to serve the mankind or u want to do both serve also and also be professional. > > > > > > > > The chart should support ur future plans. As per ur chart u can learn astrology and apply it in serving mankind but as a profession it does not favours u. > > > > > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ ... > > > > Subscribe on this link http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > > > > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > > > > haresh1405@ ../hareshgnathan i call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > anil sharma <anil_aries28@ ...> > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 8 July, 2009 7:42:21 PM > > > > can i be a astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > respected astrologers, can i be a astrologer. can it clearified by my birth chart. pls reply. my name is anil sharma, d.o.b. is 29-dec-1973, time of birth is 01:25 am, place is barraut(u.p. ) near delhi. thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love Cricket? 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Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Karma is an interesting concept that some feel as a responsibility, others as burden and some others just as something that some would call as hobby! The first option and the second are related for they weigh down the soul and are saturnine in nature as hopefully astro-scholars would agree! The third option sounds like mercurial and not too serious, given the milieu we find ourselves in -- but perhaps each of us would need to figure out how we tune into astrology and what is there in it for us or what we can give! OH -- you would also need to figure out the third planet for yourself! Saturn is overburdened already and gets a bit touchy and sensitive if you approach Her to take on the role as " BURDEN " as well as responsibility! RR , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Dear All, > > I am not very sure of the theme of this discussion. Yet, I feel both Shree Haresh & Shree Rohini are right in their own perspective. > > If we are considering " Can I learn Astrology " , The answer is yes. Eny one can not only astrology or any science if he inclined towards it and sets his mental powers and takes the pain. > > However, if the question is " Can I become an Astrologer " , The answer depends on various factors. The counter question is " Can you take the responcibility? " . > > The knowledge of Astrology, irrespective of whether it is used as a social service or monetory gains requires one to responcible towards your predictions and possible outcome. People at times solely depend on the advice of the astrologer for critical dicisions which affect their lives and near ones drasticaly. Astrologer should understand this very well before venturing into helping others. > > I know two persons, One son of a highly respected Astrologer, who knows Astrology very well, does not practice. when enquired he replied that it is great responcibility and he is NOT willing to take it. He is doing business. Another is elderly person in my own family who also knows it very well (in fact he gave me his books), will never open his mouth in front of others- he is basicaly scared that his predictions may not be correct or fruitfull. > > Predictions & understang apart, giving advices on remedies again requires far higher level learning & grace of god. It is here were most of the astrologers fail. It is not that remedies given by even highly learned persons may work, rather it is understanding its reason and faith that sometimes work wonders. Faith on any person also depends on his track record of success and learning. > > We also find several scholars who knows astrology, never practices it (they may not be good at it), but write very good books & articles. They help others by simplifying the otherwise complicated theories. We also need such people to enhance our knowledge. > > Then there are persons who look at astrology as a base but view things in a different perspective, may be adjudged as modern. Different views are always welcome since human nature and life is so divergent. > > However, whether any one using his knowledge to help others in any way, he should himself ask " Am I willing to take the responcibility?. Which should tell what his Chart is made of. > > > A.G.Suresh Babu shenoy > , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405@> wrote: > > > > Dear RR dada > > > > This is not a spirited reply expected from u. > > > > HARESH(HARRY)NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstroRemedies@ > > Subscribe on this link http://in.Chandra-AdityaAstroRemedies > > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > > haresh1405@/hareshgnathani@ call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@> > > > > Saturday, 11 July, 2009 11:14:48 AM > > Re: can i be a astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > Are Mothers given to us, no matter what? > > Do we Find mothers? > > Do Mothers find us? > > > > Should Astrology be any different? > > > > RR > > > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear RR Dada > > > > > > I do agree in totto with you the point u hv made, but I was trying to highlight one aspect, that people get inspired and carried away on the flourish on part of some astrolgers and feel inspired by taking astrology as their part or means of profession. > > > > > > What I am trying to convey with the example was that one should learn astrology and contribute to society as a service, but if ur chart supports this as a means of resource then u can stick to it else astrology should not be restricted just to means of resources but a guiding source in our own personal lifes and also to others who depend on us and also with whom we associate. > > > > > > > > > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ ... > > > Subscribe on this link http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > > > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > > > haresh1405@ ../hareshgnathan i call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > Saturday, 11 July, 2009 5:01:09 AM > > > Re: can i be a astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Haresh Bhai, > > > > > > I have always been bemused by people who preach that Astrology should become a social service and woe upon those who charge for a reading which takes quite a lot of time and is hard work and all those years of studying and practising on your own - it extracts a lot of energy and life-force over the years. The rewards more than make up for it, of course if one is sincere. > > > > > > Leaving aside Mahamunis like Parashara or Satyacharya or Jaimini perhaps, ancient astrologers of repute (For instance Varaha Mihira) were supported by the Maharajas and Emperors, so obviously they did not need to charge. Now someone may get all excited and furious and misinterpret me and blame me for being arrogant in comparing us modern jyotishis with Varahamihira! That is not my point! In ancient societies societies realized the social significance of jyotishis and hermits and monks and they were looked after. Most of them did not have significant needs because the society was simpler. But " energy-exchange " has always existed. This is the ATAL niyam of worldly existence. > > > > > > Sure there are fraudulent astrologers (but would I call them astrologers? ) just as there are shyster doctors and corrupt engineers and house-builders and of course corrupt politicians and businessmen. But people, particularly on internet, love to bring along a very broad brush and begin painting their projected frustration all over. Tha is wrong. > > > > > > There are government and philanthropic grants that support scientific research and trillions of dollars have been given away globally to scientists and fundamental and applied research. Yes there have been major progresses and many if not all people live longer and at least sizeable some of these live healthier, at least for much of their lives. Why does the world complain against astrology and challenge it to prove its worth without giving it any support? > > > > > > It is PERFECTLY valid to charge for astrology. Either the world can learn it by themselves and become self-sufficient or when they knock on the door of an astrologer and expect them to perform miracles -- they must pay! > > > > > > I think most sincere astrologers build into their practice a certain amount of free readings and flexible fees but that is a privilege they offer and no client must claim that as some birthright! > > > > > > Respectfully submitted, > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear RR Dada > > > > > > > > A very good response u hv given. It does inspires to me and a lot other natives who r part of the various forums, as the native who is asking for a reading, when he/she recives varied replies from many astrologers, does gets confused and then the thought of why not I should also become a astrologer arises. > > > > > > > > After learning astrology from my Guru and when I started getting response from various forums where I am associated with, did inspire me to be a professional astrologer. To become a professional astrologer it is very much necessary the chart supports u to be a professional astrologer, else service to mankind is the another mode of astrology. > > > > > > > > There are many debates on the astrologer charging for the services, if the natives chart says that the native will apply astrology in the modern way and shows a way to freedom to some extent from the miseries, why not be professional, as we are living in a modern society and except air we breath everything comes with a price. > > > > > > > > Apart from being professional it is also a must that the astrologer serves for the benefit of mankind hence all the services given are not professional. May be 40 to 50% professional and the rest for service to mankind is a good one. > > > > > > > > The astrologer is the one who works like a doctor. Just as a doctor diagnosis the disease and then recommends the medicines which will heal the ailment diagonised, simillarly the astrologer also does the same thing that the problem is diagonised for the miseries the native is suffering, and the requisite prayer is recommended as a remedy measure for relief from misery. It is not 100% full proof but 70 to 80% results can be achieved as except God nobody is perfect. > > > > > > > > In the good old days we had ayurvedic doctors or vaidyas and the system of payment was in kind for the services renedered by the vaidya, this has now become obsolete. In modern times a fees is being charged by vaidya or doctors of modern times. The present society has accepted it and all doctor are now at free will charge fees for consultation, but the same system has not been fully accepted as far as astrology is concerned. > > > > > > > > An astrologer takes lot of pain and thinking in showing the way as per the natives chart, but it is very unfortunate on the part of many astrologers that their suggestion is taken to deaf ears and the native rather working its way out of misery sticks to ones own reason and concept and thus results are not visible for them. > > > > > > > > The natives is not willing to accept the reality that due to the effect of malefic planet, transition is happening in the natives life but due to material contamination, a mirage influence in the mind of the future, miseries rule and we fall pray to it. Once you had mentioned Mr. B V Raman's quote " " Fools are controlled by planets and Wise control them " " , this is a very important thing u hv mentioned which I realised but coz of material contamination and helplessness, no head has been given to the members who read the mails. > > > > > > > > Hence, to conclude, it is good to get inspired to become a astrologer and I am also of the thinking that if u are getting an opportunity to learn astrology one should grab it with both hands as an opportunity, as astrology may not be fruitful profession for some, but it will certainly help in planning one's future and rather getting controlled by palnets, atleast we are in a position to contoll it. Astrology is science, it speaks of reality, transition, changes, accountability of our past karmas and this way we are loving God, rather accussing God for our miseries, we should thank God for showing us a way. One should not forget, God favours who love Him the most, if u are sufferring but u r thanking God for the miseries and also contnuing to love Him, God will come 10 steps towards you for every step towards God. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ ... > > > > Subscribe on this link http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > > > > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > > > > haresh1405@ ../hareshgnathan i call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > Friday, 10 July, 2009 5:27:36 AM > > > > Re: can i be a astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Haresh ji, > > > > > > > > A very important distinction you made! I once ran into a bit of trouble once when a very passionate individual (a friend of a friend of a friend) asked me a similar question. She did not like my answer which was negative and since the person was 'drifting' and dabbling in a bit of this a bit of that occult, I presumed that she was asking about profession and earning through astrology. I felt bad because this person was really interested in astrology as a subject and was hard-working and very methodical and organized in terms of collecting charts, doing her homework etc. I did manage to bring her morale up once I tuned in and explained that I simply meant " little possibility of earning through astrology and to the extent where astrology alone or mostly can pay for your food and shelter -- which is essentially what being a professional astrologer entails! " . She sounded relieved and convinced but I do not know where she is and I can just hope that my > > blunt > > > > reply did not affect her zeal! Then again she may have proved me wrong by now and maybe is minting money using " astrology " ! > > > > > > > > The world of astrology is becoming so complex these days...! > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anil Sharma > > > > > > > > > > Ur chart does favours u will become a astrologer, but it is also very important that after u learn astrology u want use this knowledge as a profession and u want to serve the mankind or u want to do both serve also and also be professional. > > > > > > > > > > The chart should support ur future plans. As per ur chart u can learn astrology and apply it in serving mankind but as a profession it does not favours u. > > > > > > > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > > > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ ... > > > > > Subscribe on this link http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > > > > > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > > > > > haresh1405@ ../hareshgnathan i call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > anil sharma <anil_aries28@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 8 July, 2009 7:42:21 PM > > > > > can i be a astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > respected astrologers, can i be a astrologer. can it clearified by my birth chart. pls reply. my name is anil sharma, d.o.b. is 29-dec-1973, time of birth is 01:25 am, place is barraut(u.p. ) near delhi. thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love Cricket? 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Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 //The third option sounds like mercurial and not too serious, given the milieu we find ourselves in // isn't that the reason, it is said that why it requires the influence of Jupiter (Guru) to sharpen the " skills " , logical thinking and the fact that the virgin lady can be very possesively meticulous and perhaps melow down the opportunistic in him that we find so many now-a-days. A.G.Suresh Babu shenoy , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Karma is an interesting concept that some feel as a responsibility, others as burden and some others just as something that some would call as hobby! > > The first option and the second are related for they weigh down the soul and are saturnine in nature as hopefully astro-scholars would agree! > > The third option sounds like mercurial and not too serious, given the milieu we find ourselves in -- but perhaps each of us would need to figure out how we tune into astrology and what is there in it for us or what we can give! > > OH -- you would also need to figure out the third planet for yourself! Saturn is overburdened already and gets a bit touchy and sensitive if you approach Her to take on the role as " BURDEN " as well as responsibility! > > RR > > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@> wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > I am not very sure of the theme of this discussion. Yet, I feel both Shree Haresh & Shree Rohini are right in their own perspective. > > > > If we are considering " Can I learn Astrology " , The answer is yes. Eny one can not only astrology or any science if he inclined towards it and sets his mental powers and takes the pain. > > > > However, if the question is " Can I become an Astrologer " , The answer depends on various factors. The counter question is " Can you take the responcibility? " . > > > > The knowledge of Astrology, irrespective of whether it is used as a social service or monetory gains requires one to responcible towards your predictions and possible outcome. People at times solely depend on the advice of the astrologer for critical dicisions which affect their lives and near ones drasticaly. Astrologer should understand this very well before venturing into helping others. > > > > I know two persons, One son of a highly respected Astrologer, who knows Astrology very well, does not practice. when enquired he replied that it is great responcibility and he is NOT willing to take it. He is doing business. Another is elderly person in my own family who also knows it very well (in fact he gave me his books), will never open his mouth in front of others- he is basicaly scared that his predictions may not be correct or fruitfull. > > > > Predictions & understang apart, giving advices on remedies again requires far higher level learning & grace of god. It is here were most of the astrologers fail. It is not that remedies given by even highly learned persons may work, rather it is understanding its reason and faith that sometimes work wonders. Faith on any person also depends on his track record of success and learning. > > > > We also find several scholars who knows astrology, never practices it (they may not be good at it), but write very good books & articles. They help others by simplifying the otherwise complicated theories. We also need such people to enhance our knowledge. > > > > Then there are persons who look at astrology as a base but view things in a different perspective, may be adjudged as modern. Different views are always welcome since human nature and life is so divergent. > > > > However, whether any one using his knowledge to help others in any way, he should himself ask " Am I willing to take the responcibility?. Which should tell what his Chart is made of. > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear RR dada > > > > > > This is not a spirited reply expected from u. > > > > > > HARESH(HARRY)NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstroRemedies@ > > > Subscribe on this link http://in.Chandra-AdityaAstroRemedies > > > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > > > haresh1405@/hareshgnathani@ call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@> > > > > > > Saturday, 11 July, 2009 11:14:48 AM > > > Re: can i be a astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are Mothers given to us, no matter what? > > > Do we Find mothers? > > > Do Mothers find us? > > > > > > Should Astrology be any different? > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear RR Dada > > > > > > > > I do agree in totto with you the point u hv made, but I was trying to highlight one aspect, that people get inspired and carried away on the flourish on part of some astrolgers and feel inspired by taking astrology as their part or means of profession. > > > > > > > > What I am trying to convey with the example was that one should learn astrology and contribute to society as a service, but if ur chart supports this as a means of resource then u can stick to it else astrology should not be restricted just to means of resources but a guiding source in our own personal lifes and also to others who depend on us and also with whom we associate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ ... > > > > Subscribe on this link http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > > > > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > > > > haresh1405@ ../hareshgnathan i call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > Saturday, 11 July, 2009 5:01:09 AM > > > > Re: can i be a astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Haresh Bhai, > > > > > > > > I have always been bemused by people who preach that Astrology should become a social service and woe upon those who charge for a reading which takes quite a lot of time and is hard work and all those years of studying and practising on your own - it extracts a lot of energy and life-force over the years. The rewards more than make up for it, of course if one is sincere. > > > > > > > > Leaving aside Mahamunis like Parashara or Satyacharya or Jaimini perhaps, ancient astrologers of repute (For instance Varaha Mihira) were supported by the Maharajas and Emperors, so obviously they did not need to charge. Now someone may get all excited and furious and misinterpret me and blame me for being arrogant in comparing us modern jyotishis with Varahamihira! That is not my point! In ancient societies societies realized the social significance of jyotishis and hermits and monks and they were looked after. Most of them did not have significant needs because the society was simpler. But " energy-exchange " has always existed. This is the ATAL niyam of worldly existence. > > > > > > > > Sure there are fraudulent astrologers (but would I call them astrologers? ) just as there are shyster doctors and corrupt engineers and house-builders and of course corrupt politicians and businessmen. But people, particularly on internet, love to bring along a very broad brush and begin painting their projected frustration all over. Tha is wrong. > > > > > > > > There are government and philanthropic grants that support scientific research and trillions of dollars have been given away globally to scientists and fundamental and applied research. Yes there have been major progresses and many if not all people live longer and at least sizeable some of these live healthier, at least for much of their lives. Why does the world complain against astrology and challenge it to prove its worth without giving it any support? > > > > > > > > It is PERFECTLY valid to charge for astrology. Either the world can learn it by themselves and become self-sufficient or when they knock on the door of an astrologer and expect them to perform miracles -- they must pay! > > > > > > > > I think most sincere astrologers build into their practice a certain amount of free readings and flexible fees but that is a privilege they offer and no client must claim that as some birthright! > > > > > > > > Respectfully submitted, > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear RR Dada > > > > > > > > > > A very good response u hv given. It does inspires to me and a lot other natives who r part of the various forums, as the native who is asking for a reading, when he/she recives varied replies from many astrologers, does gets confused and then the thought of why not I should also become a astrologer arises. > > > > > > > > > > After learning astrology from my Guru and when I started getting response from various forums where I am associated with, did inspire me to be a professional astrologer. To become a professional astrologer it is very much necessary the chart supports u to be a professional astrologer, else service to mankind is the another mode of astrology. > > > > > > > > > > There are many debates on the astrologer charging for the services, if the natives chart says that the native will apply astrology in the modern way and shows a way to freedom to some extent from the miseries, why not be professional, as we are living in a modern society and except air we breath everything comes with a price. > > > > > > > > > > Apart from being professional it is also a must that the astrologer serves for the benefit of mankind hence all the services given are not professional. May be 40 to 50% professional and the rest for service to mankind is a good one. > > > > > > > > > > The astrologer is the one who works like a doctor. Just as a doctor diagnosis the disease and then recommends the medicines which will heal the ailment diagonised, simillarly the astrologer also does the same thing that the problem is diagonised for the miseries the native is suffering, and the requisite prayer is recommended as a remedy measure for relief from misery. It is not 100% full proof but 70 to 80% results can be achieved as except God nobody is perfect. > > > > > > > > > > In the good old days we had ayurvedic doctors or vaidyas and the system of payment was in kind for the services renedered by the vaidya, this has now become obsolete. In modern times a fees is being charged by vaidya or doctors of modern times. The present society has accepted it and all doctor are now at free will charge fees for consultation, but the same system has not been fully accepted as far as astrology is concerned. > > > > > > > > > > An astrologer takes lot of pain and thinking in showing the way as per the natives chart, but it is very unfortunate on the part of many astrologers that their suggestion is taken to deaf ears and the native rather working its way out of misery sticks to ones own reason and concept and thus results are not visible for them. > > > > > > > > > > The natives is not willing to accept the reality that due to the effect of malefic planet, transition is happening in the natives life but due to material contamination, a mirage influence in the mind of the future, miseries rule and we fall pray to it. Once you had mentioned Mr. B V Raman's quote " " Fools are controlled by planets and Wise control them " " , this is a very important thing u hv mentioned which I realised but coz of material contamination and helplessness, no head has been given to the members who read the mails. > > > > > > > > > > Hence, to conclude, it is good to get inspired to become a astrologer and I am also of the thinking that if u are getting an opportunity to learn astrology one should grab it with both hands as an opportunity, as astrology may not be fruitful profession for some, but it will certainly help in planning one's future and rather getting controlled by palnets, atleast we are in a position to contoll it. Astrology is science, it speaks of reality, transition, changes, accountability of our past karmas and this way we are loving God, rather accussing God for our miseries, we should thank God for showing us a way. One should not forget, God favours who love Him the most, if u are sufferring but u r thanking God for the miseries and also contnuing to love Him, God will come 10 steps towards you for every step towards God. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > > > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ ... > > > > > Subscribe on this link http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > > > > > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > > > > > haresh1405@ ../hareshgnathan i call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > Friday, 10 July, 2009 5:27:36 AM > > > > > Re: can i be a astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Haresh ji, > > > > > > > > > > A very important distinction you made! I once ran into a bit of trouble once when a very passionate individual (a friend of a friend of a friend) asked me a similar question. She did not like my answer which was negative and since the person was 'drifting' and dabbling in a bit of this a bit of that occult, I presumed that she was asking about profession and earning through astrology. I felt bad because this person was really interested in astrology as a subject and was hard-working and very methodical and organized in terms of collecting charts, doing her homework etc. I did manage to bring her morale up once I tuned in and explained that I simply meant " little possibility of earning through astrology and to the extent where astrology alone or mostly can pay for your food and shelter -- which is essentially what being a professional astrologer entails! " . She sounded relieved and convinced but I do not know where she is and I can just hope that my > > > blunt > > > > > reply did not affect her zeal! Then again she may have proved me wrong by now and maybe is minting money using " astrology " ! > > > > > > > > > > The world of astrology is becoming so complex these days...! > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anil Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > Ur chart does favours u will become a astrologer, but it is also very important that after u learn astrology u want use this knowledge as a profession and u want to serve the mankind or u want to do both serve also and also be professional. > > > > > > > > > > > > The chart should support ur future plans. As per ur chart u can learn astrology and apply it in serving mankind but as a profession it does not favours u. > > > > > > > > > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > > > > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ ... > > > > > > Subscribe on this link http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > > > > > > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > > > > > > haresh1405@ ../hareshgnathan i call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > anil sharma <anil_aries28@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 8 July, 2009 7:42:21 PM > > > > > > can i be a astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > respected astrologers, can i be a astrologer. can it clearified by my birth chart. pls reply. my name is anil sharma, d.o.b. is 29-dec-1973, time of birth is 01:25 am, place is barraut(u.p. ) near delhi. thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love Cricket? 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Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Dear RR Dada It was on this reply which made me write u the reply " " Are Mothers given to us, no matter what? Do we Find mothers? Do Mothers find us? Should Astrology be any different? " " We r discussing on astrology should be taken as a profession or hobby as many r getting aspired on learning astrology. Astrology is above the astrologer. If an astrologer has not experienced or has not come across certain charts which are critical in analysis, like the one on suicide yog in any chart, it does not concludes that these yogs cease to exist. I am noticing one thing, your approach has an journalistic approach, rather we discuss in conveying to the other forum members the pros and cons on learning astrology. Sureshbabu has made a vaild point that astrology is an responsibility. It has to come from within our heart the urge on responsibility on astrology. HARESH(HARRY)NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstroRemedies Subscribe on this link http://in.Chandra-AdityaAstroRemedies For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to haresh1405/hareshgnathani call +91 9867214103 ________________________________ Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Saturday, 11 July, 2009 1:10:25 PM Re: can i be a astrologer Expected by whom, Haresh ji? Why such expectations? You need to clarify and elaborate a bit more, if you find the time to do so please! RR , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > Dear RR dada > > This is not a spirited reply expected from u. > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ ... > Subscribe on this link http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > haresh1405@. ../hareshgnathan i call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ....> > > Saturday, 11 July, 2009 11:14:48 AM > Re: can i be a astrologer > > > > > > Are Mothers given to us, no matter what? > Do we Find mothers? > Do Mothers find us? > > Should Astrology be any different? > > RR > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear RR Dada > > > > I do agree in totto with you the point u hv made, but I was trying to highlight one aspect, that people get inspired and carried away on the flourish on part of some astrolgers and feel inspired by taking astrology as their part or means of profession. > > > > What I am trying to convey with the example was that one should learn astrology and contribute to society as a service, but if ur chart supports this as a means of resource then u can stick to it else astrology should not be restricted just to means of resources but a guiding source in our own personal lifes and also to others who depend on us and also with whom we associate. > > > > > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ ... > > Subscribe on this link http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > > haresh1405@ ../hareshgnathan i call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > Saturday, 11 July, 2009 5:01:09 AM > > Re: can i be a astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > Haresh Bhai, > > > > I have always been bemused by people who preach that Astrology should become a social service and woe upon those who charge for a reading which takes quite a lot of time and is hard work and all those years of studying and practising on your own - it extracts a lot of energy and life-force over the years. The rewards more than make up for it, of course if one is sincere. > > > > Leaving aside Mahamunis like Parashara or Satyacharya or Jaimini perhaps, ancient astrologers of repute (For instance Varaha Mihira) were supported by the Maharajas and Emperors, so obviously they did not need to charge. Now someone may get all excited and furious and misinterpret me and blame me for being arrogant in comparing us modern jyotishis with Varahamihira! That is not my point! In ancient societies societies realized the social significance of jyotishis and hermits and monks and they were looked after. Most of them did not have significant needs because the society was simpler. But " energy-exchange " has always existed. This is the ATAL niyam of worldly existence. > > > > Sure there are fraudulent astrologers (but would I call them astrologers? ) just as there are shyster doctors and corrupt engineers and house-builders and of course corrupt politicians and businessmen. But people, particularly on internet, love to bring along a very broad brush and begin painting their projected frustration all over. Tha is wrong. > > > > There are government and philanthropic grants that support scientific research and trillions of dollars have been given away globally to scientists and fundamental and applied research. Yes there have been major progresses and many if not all people live longer and at least sizeable some of these live healthier, at least for much of their lives. Why does the world complain against astrology and challenge it to prove its worth without giving it any support? > > > > It is PERFECTLY valid to charge for astrology. Either the world can learn it by themselves and become self-sufficient or when they knock on the door of an astrologer and expect them to perform miracles -- they must pay! > > > > I think most sincere astrologers build into their practice a certain amount of free readings and flexible fees but that is a privilege they offer and no client must claim that as some birthright! > > > > Respectfully submitted, > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear RR Dada > > > > > > A very good response u hv given. It does inspires to me and a lot other natives who r part of the various forums, as the native who is asking for a reading, when he/she recives varied replies from many astrologers, does gets confused and then the thought of why not I should also become a astrologer arises. > > > > > > After learning astrology from my Guru and when I started getting response from various forums where I am associated with, did inspire me to be a professional astrologer. To become a professional astrologer it is very much necessary the chart supports u to be a professional astrologer, else service to mankind is the another mode of astrology. > > > > > > There are many debates on the astrologer charging for the services, if the natives chart says that the native will apply astrology in the modern way and shows a way to freedom to some extent from the miseries, why not be professional, as we are living in a modern society and except air we breath everything comes with a price. > > > > > > Apart from being professional it is also a must that the astrologer serves for the benefit of mankind hence all the services given are not professional. May be 40 to 50% professional and the rest for service to mankind is a good one. > > > > > > The astrologer is the one who works like a doctor. Just as a doctor diagnosis the disease and then recommends the medicines which will heal the ailment diagonised, simillarly the astrologer also does the same thing that the problem is diagonised for the miseries the native is suffering, and the requisite prayer is recommended as a remedy measure for relief from misery. It is not 100% full proof but 70 to 80% results can be achieved as except God nobody is perfect. > > > > > > In the good old days we had ayurvedic doctors or vaidyas and the system of payment was in kind for the services renedered by the vaidya, this has now become obsolete. In modern times a fees is being charged by vaidya or doctors of modern times. The present society has accepted it and all doctor are now at free will charge fees for consultation, but the same system has not been fully accepted as far as astrology is concerned. > > > > > > An astrologer takes lot of pain and thinking in showing the way as per the natives chart, but it is very unfortunate on the part of many astrologers that their suggestion is taken to deaf ears and the native rather working its way out of misery sticks to ones own reason and concept and thus results are not visible for them. > > > > > > The natives is not willing to accept the reality that due to the effect of malefic planet, transition is happening in the natives life but due to material contamination, a mirage influence in the mind of the future, miseries rule and we fall pray to it. Once you had mentioned Mr. B V Raman's quote " " Fools are controlled by planets and Wise control them " " , this is a very important thing u hv mentioned which I realised but coz of material contamination and helplessness, no head has been given to the members who read the mails. > > > > > > Hence, to conclude, it is good to get inspired to become a astrologer and I am also of the thinking that if u are getting an opportunity to learn astrology one should grab it with both hands as an opportunity, as astrology may not be fruitful profession for some, but it will certainly help in planning one's future and rather getting controlled by palnets, atleast we are in a position to contoll it. Astrology is science, it speaks of reality, transition, changes, accountability of our past karmas and this way we are loving God, rather accussing God for our miseries, we should thank God for showing us a way. One should not forget, God favours who love Him the most, if u are sufferring but u r thanking God for the miseries and also contnuing to love Him, God will come 10 steps towards you for every step towards God. > > > > > > > > > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ ... > > > Subscribe on this link http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > > > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > > > haresh1405@ ../hareshgnathan i call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > Friday, 10 July, 2009 5:27:36 AM > > > Re: can i be a astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Haresh ji, > > > > > > A very important distinction you made! I once ran into a bit of trouble once when a very passionate individual (a friend of a friend of a friend) asked me a similar question. She did not like my answer which was negative and since the person was 'drifting' and dabbling in a bit of this a bit of that occult, I presumed that she was asking about profession and earning through astrology. I felt bad because this person was really interested in astrology as a subject and was hard-working and very methodical and organized in terms of collecting charts, doing her homework etc. I did manage to bring her morale up once I tuned in and explained that I simply meant " little possibility of earning through astrology and to the extent where astrology alone or mostly can pay for your food and shelter -- which is essentially what being a professional astrologer entails! " . She sounded relieved and convinced but I do not know where she is and I can just hope that my > blunt > > > reply did not affect her zeal! Then again she may have proved me wrong by now and maybe is minting money using " astrology " ! > > > > > > The world of astrology is becoming so complex these days....! > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Anil Sharma > > > > > > > > Ur chart does favours u will become a astrologer, but it is also very important that after u learn astrology u want use this knowledge as a profession and u want to serve the mankind or u want to do both serve also and also be professional. > > > > > > > > The chart should support ur future plans. As per ur chart u can learn astrology and apply it in serving mankind but as a profession it does not favours u. > > > > > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ ... > > > > Subscribe on this link http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > > > > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > > > > haresh1405@ ../hareshgnathan i call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > anil sharma <anil_aries28@ ...> > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 8 July, 2009 7:42:21 PM > > > > can i be a astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > respected astrologers, can i be a astrologer. can it clearified by my birth chart. pls reply. my name is anil sharma, d.o.b. is 29-dec-1973, time of birth is 01:25 am, place is barraut(u.p. ) near delhi. thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love Cricket? 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Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Astrology in my view is a divine gift which is given by divine to understand HIS inentions and HIS aspirations. It has two sides, one it reveals the Karma we have to suffer and what can you change to come out of its clutches. Now if one has to be an astrologer he needs to understand these two sides. If astrologer doesn't respect the first notion that life has to suffer the karma which they have to, it will force the astrologer to take other's responsibility. Now when astrologer comes out with solutions, say he is predicting something is going to come true in reality, he should add also additional solutions to increase the probability of it to come for sure. Often this is the shady area in practice that differ between astrologers. The solutions given by astrologer based on his intentions to uphold Dharma of astrology or Artha for his survival, Kama to expect more business from his client or Moksha to serve with intention of no return will act differently on his client. Why so? Say if it is offered out of Artha only for astrologer's survival then the solutions that are offered will often be for client survival and doesn't put the client on the righteous path. But if it was offered with Kama to expect more business then he is putting the client in jeopardy who will be the victim in the end. But if it was offered as Moksha, a service with no return from client then either it will not give complete confidence to client for his solutions or client will be binded to astrologer. But if it is out of Dharma then the solutions offered that are universally accepted will bring the righteousness in the path of the client to stand on his own feet. Here Astrologer should be ready to accept any donation if that would please his client to be not bound to his solutions. Hope my thoughts helped this discussion Regards, Rakesh , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405 wrote: > > Dear RR Dada > > It was on this reply which made me write u the reply > > " " Are Mothers given to us, no matter what? > Do we Find mothers? > Do Mothers find us? > > Should Astrology be any different? " " > > We r discussing on astrology should be taken as a profession or hobby as many r getting aspired on learning astrology. > > Astrology is above the astrologer. If an astrologer has not experienced or has not come across certain charts which are critical in analysis, like the one on suicide yog in any chart, it does not concludes that these yogs cease to exist. > > I am noticing one thing, your approach has an journalistic approach, rather we discuss in conveying to the other forum members the pros and cons on learning astrology. > > Sureshbabu has made a vaild point that astrology is an responsibility. It has to come from within our heart the urge on responsibility on astrology. > > HARESH(HARRY)NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstroRemedies > Subscribe on this link http://in.Chandra-AdityaAstroRemedies > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > haresh1405/hareshgnathani call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > ________________________________ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > > Saturday, 11 July, 2009 1:10:25 PM > Re: can i be a astrologer > > > > > > Expected by whom, Haresh ji? Why such expectations? > > You need to clarify and elaborate a bit more, if you find the time to do so please! > > RR > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear RR dada > > > > This is not a spirited reply expected from u. > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ ... > > Subscribe on this link http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > > haresh1405@ ../hareshgnathan i call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ....> > > > > Saturday, 11 July, 2009 11:14:48 AM > > Re: can i be a astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > Are Mothers given to us, no matter what? > > Do we Find mothers? > > Do Mothers find us? > > > > Should Astrology be any different? > > > > RR > > > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear RR Dada > > > > > > I do agree in totto with you the point u hv made, but I was trying to highlight one aspect, that people get inspired and carried away on the flourish on part of some astrolgers and feel inspired by taking astrology as their part or means of profession. > > > > > > What I am trying to convey with the example was that one should learn astrology and contribute to society as a service, but if ur chart supports this as a means of resource then u can stick to it else astrology should not be restricted just to means of resources but a guiding source in our own personal lifes and also to others who depend on us and also with whom we associate. > > > > > > > > > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ ... > > > Subscribe on this link http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > > > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > > > haresh1405@ ../hareshgnathan i call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > Saturday, 11 July, 2009 5:01:09 AM > > > Re: can i be a astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Haresh Bhai, > > > > > > I have always been bemused by people who preach that Astrology should become a social service and woe upon those who charge for a reading which takes quite a lot of time and is hard work and all those years of studying and practising on your own - it extracts a lot of energy and life-force over the years. The rewards more than make up for it, of course if one is sincere. > > > > > > Leaving aside Mahamunis like Parashara or Satyacharya or Jaimini perhaps, ancient astrologers of repute (For instance Varaha Mihira) were supported by the Maharajas and Emperors, so obviously they did not need to charge. Now someone may get all excited and furious and misinterpret me and blame me for being arrogant in comparing us modern jyotishis with Varahamihira! That is not my point! In ancient societies societies realized the social significance of jyotishis and hermits and monks and they were looked after. Most of them did not have significant needs because the society was simpler. But " energy-exchange " has always existed. This is the ATAL niyam of worldly existence. > > > > > > Sure there are fraudulent astrologers (but would I call them astrologers? ) just as there are shyster doctors and corrupt engineers and house-builders and of course corrupt politicians and businessmen. But people, particularly on internet, love to bring along a very broad brush and begin painting their projected frustration all over. Tha is wrong. > > > > > > There are government and philanthropic grants that support scientific research and trillions of dollars have been given away globally to scientists and fundamental and applied research. Yes there have been major progresses and many if not all people live longer and at least sizeable some of these live healthier, at least for much of their lives. Why does the world complain against astrology and challenge it to prove its worth without giving it any support? > > > > > > It is PERFECTLY valid to charge for astrology. Either the world can learn it by themselves and become self-sufficient or when they knock on the door of an astrologer and expect them to perform miracles -- they must pay! > > > > > > I think most sincere astrologers build into their practice a certain amount of free readings and flexible fees but that is a privilege they offer and no client must claim that as some birthright! > > > > > > Respectfully submitted, > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear RR Dada > > > > > > > > A very good response u hv given. It does inspires to me and a lot other natives who r part of the various forums, as the native who is asking for a reading, when he/she recives varied replies from many astrologers, does gets confused and then the thought of why not I should also become a astrologer arises. > > > > > > > > After learning astrology from my Guru and when I started getting response from various forums where I am associated with, did inspire me to be a professional astrologer. To become a professional astrologer it is very much necessary the chart supports u to be a professional astrologer, else service to mankind is the another mode of astrology. > > > > > > > > There are many debates on the astrologer charging for the services, if the natives chart says that the native will apply astrology in the modern way and shows a way to freedom to some extent from the miseries, why not be professional, as we are living in a modern society and except air we breath everything comes with a price. > > > > > > > > Apart from being professional it is also a must that the astrologer serves for the benefit of mankind hence all the services given are not professional. May be 40 to 50% professional and the rest for service to mankind is a good one. > > > > > > > > The astrologer is the one who works like a doctor. Just as a doctor diagnosis the disease and then recommends the medicines which will heal the ailment diagonised, simillarly the astrologer also does the same thing that the problem is diagonised for the miseries the native is suffering, and the requisite prayer is recommended as a remedy measure for relief from misery. It is not 100% full proof but 70 to 80% results can be achieved as except God nobody is perfect. > > > > > > > > In the good old days we had ayurvedic doctors or vaidyas and the system of payment was in kind for the services renedered by the vaidya, this has now become obsolete. In modern times a fees is being charged by vaidya or doctors of modern times. The present society has accepted it and all doctor are now at free will charge fees for consultation, but the same system has not been fully accepted as far as astrology is concerned. > > > > > > > > An astrologer takes lot of pain and thinking in showing the way as per the natives chart, but it is very unfortunate on the part of many astrologers that their suggestion is taken to deaf ears and the native rather working its way out of misery sticks to ones own reason and concept and thus results are not visible for them. > > > > > > > > The natives is not willing to accept the reality that due to the effect of malefic planet, transition is happening in the natives life but due to material contamination, a mirage influence in the mind of the future, miseries rule and we fall pray to it. Once you had mentioned Mr. B V Raman's quote " " Fools are controlled by planets and Wise control them " " , this is a very important thing u hv mentioned which I realised but coz of material contamination and helplessness, no head has been given to the members who read the mails. > > > > > > > > Hence, to conclude, it is good to get inspired to become a astrologer and I am also of the thinking that if u are getting an opportunity to learn astrology one should grab it with both hands as an opportunity, as astrology may not be fruitful profession for some, but it will certainly help in planning one's future and rather getting controlled by palnets, atleast we are in a position to contoll it. Astrology is science, it speaks of reality, transition, changes, accountability of our past karmas and this way we are loving God, rather accussing God for our miseries, we should thank God for showing us a way. One should not forget, God favours who love Him the most, if u are sufferring but u r thanking God for the miseries and also contnuing to love Him, God will come 10 steps towards you for every step towards God. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ ... > > > > Subscribe on this link http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > > > > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > > > > haresh1405@ ../hareshgnathan i call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > Friday, 10 July, 2009 5:27:36 AM > > > > Re: can i be a astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Haresh ji, > > > > > > > > A very important distinction you made! I once ran into a bit of trouble once when a very passionate individual (a friend of a friend of a friend) asked me a similar question. She did not like my answer which was negative and since the person was 'drifting' and dabbling in a bit of this a bit of that occult, I presumed that she was asking about profession and earning through astrology. I felt bad because this person was really interested in astrology as a subject and was hard-working and very methodical and organized in terms of collecting charts, doing her homework etc. I did manage to bring her morale up once I tuned in and explained that I simply meant " little possibility of earning through astrology and to the extent where astrology alone or mostly can pay for your food and shelter -- which is essentially what being a professional astrologer entails! " . She sounded relieved and convinced but I do not know where she is and I can just hope that my > > blunt > > > > reply did not affect her zeal! Then again she may have proved me wrong by now and maybe is minting money using " astrology " ! > > > > > > > > The world of astrology is becoming so complex these days....! > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anil Sharma > > > > > > > > > > Ur chart does favours u will become a astrologer, but it is also very important that after u learn astrology u want use this knowledge as a profession and u want to serve the mankind or u want to do both serve also and also be professional. > > > > > > > > > > The chart should support ur future plans. As per ur chart u can learn astrology and apply it in serving mankind but as a profession it does not favours u. > > > > > > > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > > > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ ... > > > > > Subscribe on this link http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > > > > > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > > > > > haresh1405@ ../hareshgnathan i call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > anil sharma <anil_aries28@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 8 July, 2009 7:42:21 PM > > > > > can i be a astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > respected astrologers, can i be a astrologer. can it clearified by my birth chart. pls reply. my name is anil sharma, d.o.b. is 29-dec-1973, time of birth is 01:25 am, place is barraut(u.p. ) near delhi. thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love Cricket? 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Guest guest Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Rakeshmohan ji, In general terms I would agree with you that what you have describes captures the belief and understanding of most astrologers but I am pointing out what I see as a paradox in your expressed thoughts (which were very good and please do not consider this response as a criticism). On the one hand you say: " ... life has to suffer the karma which they have to... " " ...Solutions... " Do you see the contradition? Another point which may seem a subtle reinterpretation but amounts to a major change in paradigm or mind-set. It is the concept of suffering of Karma. If we admit that karma is generated by our own doings, the consequences arrive as a responsibility and a duty to discharge the same. Once we truly begin to focus on and accept this personal responsibility as opposed to the concept of " suffering " which makes us look as victims as opposed to original perpetrators and also seems to imply that we are the injured party due to the wrath of someone outside of us, like God, Vidhi, Vidhata etc -- we are making a mistake. The permanent discharge of karmic responsibilities can only be through acknowledgment and penance and service. Tantric band-aids are simply temporary solutions and deferrals! Like avoiding the " loan collection agent " ! RR " , " rakeshmohan888 " rakeshmohan888 wrote: > > Astrology in my view is a divine gift which is given by divine to understand HIS inentions and HIS aspirations. It has two sides, one it reveals the Karma we have to suffer and what can you change to come out of its clutches. Now if one has to be an astrologer he needs to understand these two sides. > > If astrologer doesn't respect the first notion that life has to suffer the karma which they have to, it will force the astrologer to take other's responsibility. Now when astrologer comes out with solutions, say he is predicting something is going to come true in reality, he should add also additional solutions to increase the probability of it to come for sure. Often this is the shady area in practice that differ between astrologers. The solutions given by astrologer based on his intentions to uphold Dharma of astrology or Artha for his survival, Kama to expect more business from his client or Moksha to serve with intention of no return will act differently on his client. Why so? > > Say if it is offered out of Artha only for astrologer's survival then the solutions that are offered will often be for client survival and doesn't put the client on the righteous path. But if it was offered with Kama to expect more business then he is putting the client in jeopardy who will be the victim in the end. But if it was offered as Moksha, a service with no return from client then either it will not give complete confidence to client for his solutions or client will be binded to astrologer. But if it is out of Dharma then the solutions offered that are universally accepted will bring the righteousness in the path of the client to stand on his own feet. Here Astrologer should be ready to accept any donation if that would please his client to be not bound to his solutions. > > Hope my thoughts helped this discussion > > Regards, > Rakesh > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405@> wrote: > > > > Dear RR Dada > > > > It was on this reply which made me write u the reply > > > > " " Are Mothers given to us, no matter what? > > Do we Find mothers? > > Do Mothers find us? > > > > Should Astrology be any different? " " > > > > We r discussing on astrology should be taken as a profession or hobby as many r getting aspired on learning astrology. > > > > Astrology is above the astrologer. If an astrologer has not experienced or has not come across certain charts which are critical in analysis, like the one on suicide yog in any chart, it does not concludes that these yogs cease to exist. > > > > I am noticing one thing, your approach has an journalistic approach, rather we discuss in conveying to the other forum members the pros and cons on learning astrology. > > > > Sureshbabu has made a vaild point that astrology is an responsibility. It has to come from within our heart the urge on responsibility on astrology. > > > > HARESH(HARRY)NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstroRemedies@ > > Subscribe on this link http://in.Chandra-AdityaAstroRemedies > > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > > haresh1405@/hareshgnathani@ call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@> > > > > Saturday, 11 July, 2009 1:10:25 PM > > Re: can i be a astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > Expected by whom, Haresh ji? Why such expectations? > > > > You need to clarify and elaborate a bit more, if you find the time to do so please! > > > > RR > > > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear RR dada > > > > > > This is not a spirited reply expected from u. > > > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ ... > > > Subscribe on this link http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > > > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > > > haresh1405@ ../hareshgnathan i call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ....> > > > > > > Saturday, 11 July, 2009 11:14:48 AM > > > Re: can i be a astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are Mothers given to us, no matter what? > > > Do we Find mothers? > > > Do Mothers find us? > > > > > > Should Astrology be any different? > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear RR Dada > > > > > > > > I do agree in totto with you the point u hv made, but I was trying to highlight one aspect, that people get inspired and carried away on the flourish on part of some astrolgers and feel inspired by taking astrology as their part or means of profession. > > > > > > > > What I am trying to convey with the example was that one should learn astrology and contribute to society as a service, but if ur chart supports this as a means of resource then u can stick to it else astrology should not be restricted just to means of resources but a guiding source in our own personal lifes and also to others who depend on us and also with whom we associate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ ... > > > > Subscribe on this link http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > > > > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > > > > haresh1405@ ../hareshgnathan i call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > Saturday, 11 July, 2009 5:01:09 AM > > > > Re: can i be a astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Haresh Bhai, > > > > > > > > I have always been bemused by people who preach that Astrology should become a social service and woe upon those who charge for a reading which takes quite a lot of time and is hard work and all those years of studying and practising on your own - it extracts a lot of energy and life-force over the years. The rewards more than make up for it, of course if one is sincere. > > > > > > > > Leaving aside Mahamunis like Parashara or Satyacharya or Jaimini perhaps, ancient astrologers of repute (For instance Varaha Mihira) were supported by the Maharajas and Emperors, so obviously they did not need to charge. Now someone may get all excited and furious and misinterpret me and blame me for being arrogant in comparing us modern jyotishis with Varahamihira! That is not my point! In ancient societies societies realized the social significance of jyotishis and hermits and monks and they were looked after. Most of them did not have significant needs because the society was simpler. But " energy-exchange " has always existed. This is the ATAL niyam of worldly existence. > > > > > > > > Sure there are fraudulent astrologers (but would I call them astrologers? ) just as there are shyster doctors and corrupt engineers and house-builders and of course corrupt politicians and businessmen. But people, particularly on internet, love to bring along a very broad brush and begin painting their projected frustration all over. Tha is wrong. > > > > > > > > There are government and philanthropic grants that support scientific research and trillions of dollars have been given away globally to scientists and fundamental and applied research. Yes there have been major progresses and many if not all people live longer and at least sizeable some of these live healthier, at least for much of their lives. Why does the world complain against astrology and challenge it to prove its worth without giving it any support? > > > > > > > > It is PERFECTLY valid to charge for astrology. Either the world can learn it by themselves and become self-sufficient or when they knock on the door of an astrologer and expect them to perform miracles -- they must pay! > > > > > > > > I think most sincere astrologers build into their practice a certain amount of free readings and flexible fees but that is a privilege they offer and no client must claim that as some birthright! > > > > > > > > Respectfully submitted, > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear RR Dada > > > > > > > > > > A very good response u hv given. It does inspires to me and a lot other natives who r part of the various forums, as the native who is asking for a reading, when he/she recives varied replies from many astrologers, does gets confused and then the thought of why not I should also become a astrologer arises. > > > > > > > > > > After learning astrology from my Guru and when I started getting response from various forums where I am associated with, did inspire me to be a professional astrologer. To become a professional astrologer it is very much necessary the chart supports u to be a professional astrologer, else service to mankind is the another mode of astrology. > > > > > > > > > > There are many debates on the astrologer charging for the services, if the natives chart says that the native will apply astrology in the modern way and shows a way to freedom to some extent from the miseries, why not be professional, as we are living in a modern society and except air we breath everything comes with a price. > > > > > > > > > > Apart from being professional it is also a must that the astrologer serves for the benefit of mankind hence all the services given are not professional. May be 40 to 50% professional and the rest for service to mankind is a good one. > > > > > > > > > > The astrologer is the one who works like a doctor. Just as a doctor diagnosis the disease and then recommends the medicines which will heal the ailment diagonised, simillarly the astrologer also does the same thing that the problem is diagonised for the miseries the native is suffering, and the requisite prayer is recommended as a remedy measure for relief from misery. It is not 100% full proof but 70 to 80% results can be achieved as except God nobody is perfect. > > > > > > > > > > In the good old days we had ayurvedic doctors or vaidyas and the system of payment was in kind for the services renedered by the vaidya, this has now become obsolete. In modern times a fees is being charged by vaidya or doctors of modern times. The present society has accepted it and all doctor are now at free will charge fees for consultation, but the same system has not been fully accepted as far as astrology is concerned. > > > > > > > > > > An astrologer takes lot of pain and thinking in showing the way as per the natives chart, but it is very unfortunate on the part of many astrologers that their suggestion is taken to deaf ears and the native rather working its way out of misery sticks to ones own reason and concept and thus results are not visible for them. > > > > > > > > > > The natives is not willing to accept the reality that due to the effect of malefic planet, transition is happening in the natives life but due to material contamination, a mirage influence in the mind of the future, miseries rule and we fall pray to it. Once you had mentioned Mr. B V Raman's quote " " Fools are controlled by planets and Wise control them " " , this is a very important thing u hv mentioned which I realised but coz of material contamination and helplessness, no head has been given to the members who read the mails. > > > > > > > > > > Hence, to conclude, it is good to get inspired to become a astrologer and I am also of the thinking that if u are getting an opportunity to learn astrology one should grab it with both hands as an opportunity, as astrology may not be fruitful profession for some, but it will certainly help in planning one's future and rather getting controlled by palnets, atleast we are in a position to contoll it. Astrology is science, it speaks of reality, transition, changes, accountability of our past karmas and this way we are loving God, rather accussing God for our miseries, we should thank God for showing us a way. One should not forget, God favours who love Him the most, if u are sufferring but u r thanking God for the miseries and also contnuing to love Him, God will come 10 steps towards you for every step towards God. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > > > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ ... > > > > > Subscribe on this link http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > > > > > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > > > > > haresh1405@ ../hareshgnathan i call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > Friday, 10 July, 2009 5:27:36 AM > > > > > Re: can i be a astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Haresh ji, > > > > > > > > > > A very important distinction you made! I once ran into a bit of trouble once when a very passionate individual (a friend of a friend of a friend) asked me a similar question. She did not like my answer which was negative and since the person was 'drifting' and dabbling in a bit of this a bit of that occult, I presumed that she was asking about profession and earning through astrology. I felt bad because this person was really interested in astrology as a subject and was hard-working and very methodical and organized in terms of collecting charts, doing her homework etc. I did manage to bring her morale up once I tuned in and explained that I simply meant " little possibility of earning through astrology and to the extent where astrology alone or mostly can pay for your food and shelter -- which is essentially what being a professional astrologer entails! " . She sounded relieved and convinced but I do not know where she is and I can just hope that my > > > blunt > > > > > reply did not affect her zeal! Then again she may have proved me wrong by now and maybe is minting money using " astrology " ! > > > > > > > > > > The world of astrology is becoming so complex these days....! > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anil Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > Ur chart does favours u will become a astrologer, but it is also very important that after u learn astrology u want use this knowledge as a profession and u want to serve the mankind or u want to do both serve also and also be professional. > > > > > > > > > > > > The chart should support ur future plans. As per ur chart u can learn astrology and apply it in serving mankind but as a profession it does not favours u. > > > > > > > > > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > > > > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ ... > > > > > > Subscribe on this link http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > > > > > > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > > > > > > haresh1405@ ../hareshgnathan i call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > anil sharma <anil_aries28@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 8 July, 2009 7:42:21 PM > > > > > > can i be a astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > respected astrologers, can i be a astrologer. can it clearified by my birth chart. pls reply. my name is anil sharma, d.o.b. is 29-dec-1973, time of birth is 01:25 am, place is barraut(u.p. ) near delhi. thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love Cricket? 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Guest guest Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Dear Haresh Bhai, " > I am noticing one thing, your approach has an journalistic approach, rather we discuss in conveying to the other forum members the pros and cons on learning astrology. " You lost me there :-( What is this " journalistic " style? I thought that is what journalists/reporters do! Showing the pros vs cons! Please elaborate...! RR , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405 wrote: > > Dear RR Dada > > It was on this reply which made me write u the reply > > " " Are Mothers given to us, no matter what? > Do we Find mothers? > Do Mothers find us? > > Should Astrology be any different? " " > > We r discussing on astrology should be taken as a profession or hobby as many r getting aspired on learning astrology. > > Astrology is above the astrologer. If an astrologer has not experienced or has not come across certain charts which are critical in analysis, like the one on suicide yog in any chart, it does not concludes that these yogs cease to exist. > > I am noticing one thing, your approach has an journalistic approach, rather we discuss in conveying to the other forum members the pros and cons on learning astrology. > > Sureshbabu has made a vaild point that astrology is an responsibility. It has to come from within our heart the urge on responsibility on astrology. > > HARESH(HARRY)NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstroRemedies > Subscribe on this link http://in.Chandra-AdityaAstroRemedies > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > haresh1405/hareshgnathani call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > ________________________________ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > > Saturday, 11 July, 2009 1:10:25 PM > Re: can i be a astrologer > > > > > > Expected by whom, Haresh ji? Why such expectations? > > You need to clarify and elaborate a bit more, if you find the time to do so please! > > RR > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear RR dada > > > > This is not a spirited reply expected from u. > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ ... > > Subscribe on this link http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > > haresh1405@ ../hareshgnathan i call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ....> > > > > Saturday, 11 July, 2009 11:14:48 AM > > Re: can i be a astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > Are Mothers given to us, no matter what? > > Do we Find mothers? > > Do Mothers find us? > > > > Should Astrology be any different? > > > > RR > > > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear RR Dada > > > > > > I do agree in totto with you the point u hv made, but I was trying to highlight one aspect, that people get inspired and carried away on the flourish on part of some astrolgers and feel inspired by taking astrology as their part or means of profession. > > > > > > What I am trying to convey with the example was that one should learn astrology and contribute to society as a service, but if ur chart supports this as a means of resource then u can stick to it else astrology should not be restricted just to means of resources but a guiding source in our own personal lifes and also to others who depend on us and also with whom we associate. > > > > > > > > > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ ... > > > Subscribe on this link http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > > > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > > > haresh1405@ ../hareshgnathan i call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > Saturday, 11 July, 2009 5:01:09 AM > > > Re: can i be a astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Haresh Bhai, > > > > > > I have always been bemused by people who preach that Astrology should become a social service and woe upon those who charge for a reading which takes quite a lot of time and is hard work and all those years of studying and practising on your own - it extracts a lot of energy and life-force over the years. The rewards more than make up for it, of course if one is sincere. > > > > > > Leaving aside Mahamunis like Parashara or Satyacharya or Jaimini perhaps, ancient astrologers of repute (For instance Varaha Mihira) were supported by the Maharajas and Emperors, so obviously they did not need to charge. Now someone may get all excited and furious and misinterpret me and blame me for being arrogant in comparing us modern jyotishis with Varahamihira! That is not my point! In ancient societies societies realized the social significance of jyotishis and hermits and monks and they were looked after. Most of them did not have significant needs because the society was simpler. But " energy-exchange " has always existed. This is the ATAL niyam of worldly existence. > > > > > > Sure there are fraudulent astrologers (but would I call them astrologers? ) just as there are shyster doctors and corrupt engineers and house-builders and of course corrupt politicians and businessmen. But people, particularly on internet, love to bring along a very broad brush and begin painting their projected frustration all over. Tha is wrong. > > > > > > There are government and philanthropic grants that support scientific research and trillions of dollars have been given away globally to scientists and fundamental and applied research. Yes there have been major progresses and many if not all people live longer and at least sizeable some of these live healthier, at least for much of their lives. Why does the world complain against astrology and challenge it to prove its worth without giving it any support? > > > > > > It is PERFECTLY valid to charge for astrology. Either the world can learn it by themselves and become self-sufficient or when they knock on the door of an astrologer and expect them to perform miracles -- they must pay! > > > > > > I think most sincere astrologers build into their practice a certain amount of free readings and flexible fees but that is a privilege they offer and no client must claim that as some birthright! > > > > > > Respectfully submitted, > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear RR Dada > > > > > > > > A very good response u hv given. It does inspires to me and a lot other natives who r part of the various forums, as the native who is asking for a reading, when he/she recives varied replies from many astrologers, does gets confused and then the thought of why not I should also become a astrologer arises. > > > > > > > > After learning astrology from my Guru and when I started getting response from various forums where I am associated with, did inspire me to be a professional astrologer. To become a professional astrologer it is very much necessary the chart supports u to be a professional astrologer, else service to mankind is the another mode of astrology. > > > > > > > > There are many debates on the astrologer charging for the services, if the natives chart says that the native will apply astrology in the modern way and shows a way to freedom to some extent from the miseries, why not be professional, as we are living in a modern society and except air we breath everything comes with a price. > > > > > > > > Apart from being professional it is also a must that the astrologer serves for the benefit of mankind hence all the services given are not professional. May be 40 to 50% professional and the rest for service to mankind is a good one. > > > > > > > > The astrologer is the one who works like a doctor. Just as a doctor diagnosis the disease and then recommends the medicines which will heal the ailment diagonised, simillarly the astrologer also does the same thing that the problem is diagonised for the miseries the native is suffering, and the requisite prayer is recommended as a remedy measure for relief from misery. It is not 100% full proof but 70 to 80% results can be achieved as except God nobody is perfect. > > > > > > > > In the good old days we had ayurvedic doctors or vaidyas and the system of payment was in kind for the services renedered by the vaidya, this has now become obsolete. In modern times a fees is being charged by vaidya or doctors of modern times. The present society has accepted it and all doctor are now at free will charge fees for consultation, but the same system has not been fully accepted as far as astrology is concerned. > > > > > > > > An astrologer takes lot of pain and thinking in showing the way as per the natives chart, but it is very unfortunate on the part of many astrologers that their suggestion is taken to deaf ears and the native rather working its way out of misery sticks to ones own reason and concept and thus results are not visible for them. > > > > > > > > The natives is not willing to accept the reality that due to the effect of malefic planet, transition is happening in the natives life but due to material contamination, a mirage influence in the mind of the future, miseries rule and we fall pray to it. Once you had mentioned Mr. B V Raman's quote " " Fools are controlled by planets and Wise control them " " , this is a very important thing u hv mentioned which I realised but coz of material contamination and helplessness, no head has been given to the members who read the mails. > > > > > > > > Hence, to conclude, it is good to get inspired to become a astrologer and I am also of the thinking that if u are getting an opportunity to learn astrology one should grab it with both hands as an opportunity, as astrology may not be fruitful profession for some, but it will certainly help in planning one's future and rather getting controlled by palnets, atleast we are in a position to contoll it. Astrology is science, it speaks of reality, transition, changes, accountability of our past karmas and this way we are loving God, rather accussing God for our miseries, we should thank God for showing us a way. One should not forget, God favours who love Him the most, if u are sufferring but u r thanking God for the miseries and also contnuing to love Him, God will come 10 steps towards you for every step towards God. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ ... > > > > Subscribe on this link http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > > > > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > > > > haresh1405@ ../hareshgnathan i call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > Friday, 10 July, 2009 5:27:36 AM > > > > Re: can i be a astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Haresh ji, > > > > > > > > A very important distinction you made! I once ran into a bit of trouble once when a very passionate individual (a friend of a friend of a friend) asked me a similar question. She did not like my answer which was negative and since the person was 'drifting' and dabbling in a bit of this a bit of that occult, I presumed that she was asking about profession and earning through astrology. I felt bad because this person was really interested in astrology as a subject and was hard-working and very methodical and organized in terms of collecting charts, doing her homework etc. I did manage to bring her morale up once I tuned in and explained that I simply meant " little possibility of earning through astrology and to the extent where astrology alone or mostly can pay for your food and shelter -- which is essentially what being a professional astrologer entails! " . She sounded relieved and convinced but I do not know where she is and I can just hope that my > > blunt > > > > reply did not affect her zeal! Then again she may have proved me wrong by now and maybe is minting money using " astrology " ! > > > > > > > > The world of astrology is becoming so complex these days....! > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , " Haresh \(Harry\) Nathani " <haresh1405@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anil Sharma > > > > > > > > > > Ur chart does favours u will become a astrologer, but it is also very important that after u learn astrology u want use this knowledge as a profession and u want to serve the mankind or u want to do both serve also and also be professional. > > > > > > > > > > The chart should support ur future plans. As per ur chart u can learn astrology and apply it in serving mankind but as a profession it does not favours u. > > > > > > > > > > HARESH(HARRY) NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 > > > > > Send your mails to Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ ... > > > > > Subscribe on this link http://in.groups. / group/Chandra- AdityaAstroRemed ies > > > > > For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to > > > > > haresh1405@ ../hareshgnathan i call +91 9867214103 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > anil sharma <anil_aries28@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 8 July, 2009 7:42:21 PM > > > > > can i be a astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > respected astrologers, can i be a astrologer. can it clearified by my birth chart. pls reply. my name is anil sharma, d.o.b. is 29-dec-1973, time of birth is 01:25 am, place is barraut(u.p. ) near delhi. thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love Cricket? 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Guest guest Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Dear Anil ji, You must have noticed that you initiated a very interesting thread that is causing quite a stir, quite the khalbalee and even normailly taciturn people are beginning to write long messages! You are quite the formicator naturally, if I may comment! It perplexes, nay intrigues me a bit that you have 'aries' in your nom-de-plume! According to the data (I am using Delhi as the locus because your birthplace coordinate I do not have readily available). Maybe you have found a third zodiac beyond Sayana or Nirayana or maybe you are drawing upon the mars in aries in 8th -- your powerhouse! ;-) Pandit Sanjay Rath had once stated that when the atmakaraka is associated with the 11th one becomes a jyotishi and in a large series of birthdata I have seen it to be true. Not all of these were professional jyotishis (earning through jyotish, solely or mostly) and the 'connection' between AK and H11 or L11 was not necessarily through griha drishti but also rashi sambandha. This is one of the very few ONE FACTOR astrological rules that I have ever seen to pass the test of observation! I have seen some interesting variations in the cosmic drama of this combination plays out on this earthly plane but wished to hand you a tool to examine, and play with to see how well it works out in your hands. One caution: Please do not run with it at hyper-speed which is what I see happening on the jyotish scene but really test it in all the unfoldments that jyotish provides for our mental peace and spiritual gluttony! RR , " anil sharma " <anil_aries28 wrote: > > respected astrologers, can i be a astrologer. can it clearified by my birth chart. pls reply. my name is anil sharma, d.o.b. is 29-dec-1973, time of birth is 01:25 am, place is barraut(u.p.) near delhi. thanks > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 it is the pratyantar of venus in jupiter/Mars you have indicated your preference to be and Astrologer. Lot of discussion on the thread has flown since from very senior members.members viewed; 1.Postion of Planets in your chart that can term you as Astrologer 2.What Astrologer is actually meant by of his interest and study in to the subject of jyotish Astrology 3.As a past time you would also like to be Astrologer for your own purpose be it self development,social cause/service or by way earning to eel livelyhood. Some of us or most of us have deboted our prime time to leran Astrology through aGuru or otherwise.Took their advices and particiapated in discussions,made presenation in seminars and gave our views on various charts from time to time. All this kind of interest continued for over a period of almsot couple of decades to be termed as Astrologers by finding acceptability of our views in chart. In your chart,the dasa lord jupiter is in 5th house of intution and poorva janma along with lord of 9th house Venus Anatar dasa lord Venus happened to be in own house and is in 8th from lagna and 3rd from moon in aswani nakshtra ruled by ketu.All these are very favourable to be an AstrologerAlso your mercury under constant vigil of saturn that retrograde is effecting your 4th and 10th house both are very important houses " to be an Astrologer " Your 10th house is influence by nodes and the ruler mercury is with rahu.so your problems at home and finding to pursue your interest make things difficult for you. As lord of 5th and 6th saturn in 10th with no benific aspect makes a shadshtaka to pose problems in your pursuance of study of the subject. Also note dasa of saturn that is due from couple of years being owner of 5th and 6th may also focus on issues relating to children,also unresolved financial problems may also lead you to leagal enatnglements.In your various activities for livelyhood you had in the past tension arising out of partnerships and relationships.These issues were always time consuming with no tangible solutions.It is logical saturn makes you desperate and un happy in these aspects. Rahu posited in 9th in taurus will ofcourse make you spirtual and have blessings of priests and holy many with keyu in 3rd from lagna may bring in issues of sibblings. The set up of planets in your chart do assist you to fulfil wish to be Astrologers. vrkrishnan --- On Sat, 7/11/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Re: can i be a astrologer Saturday, July 11, 2009, 9:12 PM Dear Anil ji, You must have noticed that you initiated a very interesting thread that is causing quite a stir, quite the khalbalee and even normailly taciturn people are beginning to write long messages! You are quite the formicator naturally, if I may comment! It perplexes, nay intrigues me a bit that you have 'aries' in your nom-de-plume! According to the data (I am using Delhi as the locus because your birthplace coordinate I do not have readily available). Maybe you have found a third zodiac beyond Sayana or Nirayana or maybe you are drawing upon the mars in aries in 8th -- your powerhouse! ;-) Pandit Sanjay Rath had once stated that when the atmakaraka is associated with the 11th one becomes a jyotishi and in a large series of birthdata I have seen it to be true. Not all of these were professional jyotishis (earning through jyotish, solely or mostly) and the 'connection' between AK and H11 or L11 was not necessarily through griha drishti but also rashi sambandha. This is one of the very few ONE FACTOR astrological rules that I have ever seen to pass the test of observation! I have seen some interesting variations in the cosmic drama of this combination plays out on this earthly plane but wished to hand you a tool to examine, and play with to see how well it works out in your hands. One caution: Please do not run with it at hyper-speed which is what I see happening on the jyotish scene but really test it in all the unfoldments that jyotish provides for our mental peace and spiritual gluttony! RR , " anil sharma " <anil_aries28@ ...> wrote: > > respected astrologers, can i be a astrologer. can it clearified by my birth chart. pls reply. my name is anil sharma, d.o.b. is 29-dec-1973, time of birth is 01:25 am, place is barraut(u.p. ) near delhi. thanks > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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