Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Dear Gurujans, I always wonder what's the right way behind the phrase - " Think before you act " . Do we have to become astrologers of our own actions? Suppose we close our eyes before we act and think; what should we see? the action becoming a reality! Mercury the planet of intelligence, how does it help us to choose the right way. This question may be so obvious, but wondering there should be good solution that astrologers can provide. Thanks, Rakesh Mohan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Dear Shri Rakesh Ji, " Think before you act " is a saying conveyed by wisemen.It is the judgement that comes out of intelligence,wisdom and the nature of the person that depends on lagna.The saying also conveys a planning aspect.More than mercury it is the saturn that passively makes a person to think before action as he reviews good and bad providing time to think and holding the action. Mercury is a mischievous planet and is neutral and dual in nature.behaves yet time as a planet ruling the house where it is posited.Mercury behaviour can be any thing.Astrologer if he uses his skills (5th house and it's lord) >it's proximity to sun and giving nipuna yoga/budha aditya yoga are always depnds extent of conjunctions and aspects of benifics. vrkrishnan --- On Sat, 7/11/09, rakeshmohan888 <rakeshmohan888 wrote: rakeshmohan888 <rakeshmohan888 Think before you act... Saturday, July 11, 2009, 10:07 AM Dear Gurujans, I always wonder what's the right way behind the phrase - " Think before you act " . Do we have to become astrologers of our own actions? Suppose we close our eyes before we act and think; what should we see? the action becoming a reality! Mercury the planet of intelligence, how does it help us to choose the right way. This question may be so obvious, but wondering there should be good solution that astrologers can provide. Thanks, Rakesh Mohan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 /*om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*/ Dear Members Guru is dhi-karaka (intelligence), not mercury. Budha rules speech - vak-karaka. Lagna is for intelligence, fifth is for wisdom (viveka bhava). Regards Rafal Gendarz SJC Jyotish Guru -------------- /*Consultations & Pages* http://rohinaa.com rafal/ vattem krishnan pisze: > > > Dear Shri Rakesh Ji, > " Think before you act " is a saying conveyed by wisemen.It is the > judgement that comes out of intelligence,wisdom and the nature of the > person that depends on lagna.The saying also conveys a planning > aspect.More than mercury it is the saturn that passively makes a > person to think before action as he reviews good and bad providing > time to think and holding the action. > Mercury is a mischievous planet and is neutral and dual in > nature.behaves yet time as a planet ruling the house where it is > posited.Mercury behaviour can be any thing.Astrologer if he uses his > skills (5th house and it's lord) >it's proximity to sun and giving > nipuna yoga/budha aditya yoga are always depnds extent of conjunctions > and aspects of benifics. > vrkrishnan > > --- On Sat, 7/11/09, rakeshmohan888 <rakeshmohan888 > <rakeshmohan888%40>> wrote: > > rakeshmohan888 <rakeshmohan888 > <rakeshmohan888%40>> > Think before you act... > > <%40> > Saturday, July 11, 2009, 10:07 AM > > Dear Gurujans, > I always wonder what's the right way behind the phrase - " Think before > you act " . Do we have to become astrologers of our own actions? Suppose > we close our eyes before we act and think; what should we see? the > action becoming a reality! Mercury the planet of intelligence, how > does it help us to choose the right way. > > This question may be so obvious, but wondering there should be good > solution that astrologers can provide. > > Thanks, > Rakesh Mohan > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Dear Rafal Gendarz, //Lagna is for intelligence// I am surprised. Sage parasara has described lagna as " thanu " bhava – meaning the body and the person as a whole. The first verse of Parasara Hora Chapter 14 (it may vary in some versions) uses the word as " sapaapo dehapo.. " and goes on to describe the results if lagna is occupied by malefic planets and benefic planets in the whole chapter. Similarly Varamihira also described lagna as thanu in " horaadayastanukuDuMbasahothabandu " However 4th house is related with education and aquired skills and education. This is well described in Bhaveshaphaladhya (effects of lord of each bhava placed in other bhavas). 4th lord placed in lagna gives education while placed in 7th (astha bhava) also makes him well educated person and also makes him dumb in an assembly (either implies he will be scared of assembly or not able to shine and express himself in the midst of a group of persons). Further in the 12th he parasara goes on to describe that it makes in " moodda " foolish implying that even if he is educated it may not benefit him much or that he will not use it. Several original contemporaries also hold same view. While moon is considered as the sthira karaka for the 4th bhava, mercury is considered as karaka for education – acquired intelligence and Jupiter as Pragjna karaka – wisdom, natural intelligence of the inner self. Being the daithya guru – diplomacy and a thinking based on diplomacy and a wider perspective than Venus (daanava guru) who instigates pure materialism based on one-sided outlook (own side). A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy , RafaÅ‚ Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > /*om namo bhagavate narasimhaya*/ > Dear Members > > Guru is dhi-karaka (intelligence), not mercury. Budha rules speech - > vak-karaka. > > Lagna is for intelligence, fifth is for wisdom (viveka bhava). > > > Regards > Rafal Gendarz > SJC Jyotish Guru > -------------- > /*Consultations & Pages* > http://rohinaa.com > rafal/ > > vattem krishnan pisze: > > > > > > Dear Shri Rakesh Ji, > > " Think before you act " is a saying conveyed by wisemen.It is the > > judgement that comes out of intelligence,wisdom and the nature of the > > person that depends on lagna.The saying also conveys a planning > > aspect.More than mercury it is the saturn that passively makes a > > person to think before action as he reviews good and bad providing > > time to think and holding the action. > > Mercury is a mischievous planet and is neutral and dual in > > nature.behaves yet time as a planet ruling the house where it is > > posited.Mercury behaviour can be any thing.Astrologer if he uses his > > skills (5th house and it's lord) >it's proximity to sun and giving > > nipuna yoga/budha aditya yoga are always depnds extent of conjunctions > > and aspects of benifics. > > vrkrishnan > > > > --- On Sat, 7/11/09, rakeshmohan888 <rakeshmohan888 > > <rakeshmohan888%40>> wrote: > > > > rakeshmohan888 <rakeshmohan888 > > <rakeshmohan888%40>> > > Think before you act... > > > > <%40> > > Saturday, July 11, 2009, 10:07 AM > > > > Dear Gurujans, > > I always wonder what's the right way behind the phrase - " Think before > > you act " . Do we have to become astrologers of our own actions? Suppose > > we close our eyes before we act and think; what should we see? the > > action becoming a reality! Mercury the planet of intelligence, how > > does it help us to choose the right way. > > > > This question may be so obvious, but wondering there should be good > > solution that astrologers can provide. > > > > Thanks, > > Rakesh Mohan > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Dear Jyotisha, 1) Knowledge and wisdom is associated with lagna per uttarakalamrta. 2) Jaimini sutra gives details about dhimanth yoga, and it includes Lagnesh being in third, fifth, sixth. 3) This comes from Orissa Jyotisha tradition ---- Few corrections per SJC line: a) aquired/born skills are seen in Navamsa trikona b) forth house is only primary education c) 'person as whole' is very general term and includes Lagna/Lagnesh/Atmkaraka/Karakaamsa/Moon/Surya etc d) intelligence is also quite wide term, buddhi comes from Guru/Brhaspati, whilst dealing with it through language and words comes from Budha. Moon/Venus/Jupiter in kona to Navamsa lagna or associated with AL gives writer e) Shukra can give spirituality when associated with Ke/Ke+Sa/Meena Rasi or in eight bhava. Being materialistic is quite relative, but yes..Guru thinks more in terms of sreya, Shukra in preya. Regards Rafal Gendarz SJC Jyotish Guru http://rohinaa.com sureshbabuag pisze: > > > Dear Rafal Gendarz, > > //Lagna is for intelligence/ / > > I am surprised. > > Sage parasara has described lagna as " thanu " bhava – meaning the body > and the person as a whole. The first verse of Parasara Hora Chapter 14 > (it may vary in some versions) uses the word as " sapaapo dehapo.. " and > goes on to describe the results if lagna is occupied by malefic > planets and benefic planets in the whole chapter. > > Similarly Varamihira also described lagna as thanu in > " horaadayastanukuDu Mbasahothabandu " > > However 4th house is related with education and aquired skills and > education. This is well described in Bhaveshaphaladhya (effects of > lord of each bhava placed in other bhavas). 4th lord placed in lagna > gives education while placed in 7th (astha bhava) also makes him well > educated person and also makes him dumb in an assembly (either implies > he will be scared of assembly or not able to shine and express himself > in the midst of a group of persons). Further in the 12th he parasara > goes on to describe that it makes in " moodda " foolish implying that > even if he is educated it may not benefit him much or that he will not > use it. > > Several original contemporaries also hold same view. While moon is > considered as the sthira karaka for the 4th bhava, mercury is > considered as karaka for education – acquired intelligence and Jupiter > as Pragjna karaka – wisdom, natural intelligence of the inner self. > Being the daithya guru – diplomacy and a thinking based on diplomacy > and a wider perspective than Venus (daanava guru) who instigates pure > materialism based on one-sided outlook (own side). > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > <%40>, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > > > /*om namo bhagavate narasimhaya* / > > Dear Members > > > > Guru is dhi-karaka (intelligence) , not mercury. Budha rules speech - > > vak-karaka. > > > > Lagna is for intelligence, fifth is for wisdom (viveka bhava). > > > > > > Regards > > Rafal Gendarz > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > ------------ -- > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com> > > rafal/ > > > > vattem krishnan pisze: > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Rakesh Ji, > > > " Think before you act " is a saying conveyed by wisemen.It is the > > > judgement that comes out of intelligence, wisdom and the nature of > the > > > person that depends on lagna.The saying also conveys a planning > > > aspect.More than mercury it is the saturn that passively makes a > > > person to think before action as he reviews good and bad providing > > > time to think and holding the action. > > > Mercury is a mischievous planet and is neutral and dual in > > > nature.behaves yet time as a planet ruling the house where it is > > > posited.Mercury behaviour can be any thing.Astrologer if he uses his > > > skills (5th house and it's lord) >it's proximity to sun and giving > > > nipuna yoga/budha aditya yoga are always depnds extent of > conjunctions > > > and aspects of benifics. > > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > --- On Sat, 7/11/09, rakeshmohan888 <rakeshmohan888@ ... > > > <rakeshmohan 888%40. com>> wrote: > > > > > > rakeshmohan888 <rakeshmohan888@ ... > > > <rakeshmohan 888%40. com>> > > > Think before you act... > > > > <%40> > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > Saturday, July 11, 2009, 10:07 AM > > > > > > Dear Gurujans, > > > I always wonder what's the right way behind the phrase - " Think > before > > > you act " . Do we have to become astrologers of our own actions? > Suppose > > > we close our eyes before we act and think; what should we see? the > > > action becoming a reality! Mercury the planet of intelligence, how > > > does it help us to choose the right way. > > > > > > This question may be so obvious, but wondering there should be good > > > solution that astrologers can provide. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Rakesh Mohan > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Dear Gurujans, I am not sure your reply answered my question. In my question, I put two queries that has been overlooked. Do we have to become astrologers of our own actions. I was more looking for answers related to intution, like which planet gives intution and placement of it in the horoscope shows where our strengths are related to house matters it is in. Next is when we close our eyes and think when planets trigger to give us the solution wondering which house planet should we rely the most to our solutions that will be mature and well recieved in the world around us. Kindly can I get more specific answer? Thanks, Rakesh , Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > Dear Jyotisha, > > 1) Knowledge and wisdom is associated with lagna per uttarakalamrta. > > 2) Jaimini sutra gives details about dhimanth yoga, and it includes > Lagnesh being in third, fifth, sixth. > > 3) This comes from Orissa Jyotisha tradition > > ---- > > Few corrections per SJC line: > > a) aquired/born skills are seen in Navamsa trikona > b) forth house is only primary education > c) 'person as whole' is very general term and includes > Lagna/Lagnesh/Atmkaraka/Karakaamsa/Moon/Surya etc > d) intelligence is also quite wide term, buddhi comes from > Guru/Brhaspati, whilst dealing with it through language and words comes > from Budha. Moon/Venus/Jupiter in kona to Navamsa lagna or associated > with AL gives writer > e) Shukra can give spirituality when associated with Ke/Ke+Sa/Meena Rasi > or in eight bhava. Being materialistic is quite relative, but yes..Guru > thinks more in terms of sreya, Shukra in preya. > > Regards > Rafal Gendarz > SJC Jyotish Guru > http://rohinaa.com > > sureshbabuag pisze: > > > > > > Dear Rafal Gendarz, > > > > //Lagna is for intelligence/ / > > > > I am surprised. > > > > Sage parasara has described lagna as " thanu " bhava †" meaning the body > > and the person as a whole. The first verse of Parasara Hora Chapter 14 > > (it may vary in some versions) uses the word as " sapaapo dehapo.. " and > > goes on to describe the results if lagna is occupied by malefic > > planets and benefic planets in the whole chapter. > > > > Similarly Varamihira also described lagna as thanu in > > " horaadayastanukuDu Mbasahothabandu " > > > > However 4th house is related with education and aquired skills and > > education. This is well described in Bhaveshaphaladhya (effects of > > lord of each bhava placed in other bhavas). 4th lord placed in lagna > > gives education while placed in 7th (astha bhava) also makes him well > > educated person and also makes him dumb in an assembly (either implies > > he will be scared of assembly or not able to shine and express himself > > in the midst of a group of persons). Further in the 12th he parasara > > goes on to describe that it makes in " moodda " foolish implying that > > even if he is educated it may not benefit him much or that he will not > > use it. > > > > Several original contemporaries also hold same view. While moon is > > considered as the sthira karaka for the 4th bhava, mercury is > > considered as karaka for education †" acquired intelligence and Jupiter > > as Pragjna karaka †" wisdom, natural intelligence of the inner self. > > Being the daithya guru †" diplomacy and a thinking based on diplomacy > > and a wider perspective than Venus (daanava guru) who instigates pure > > materialism based on one-sided outlook (own side). > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > <%40>, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > /*om namo bhagavate narasimhaya* / > > > Dear Members > > > > > > Guru is dhi-karaka (intelligence) , not mercury. Budha rules speech - > > > vak-karaka. > > > > > > Lagna is for intelligence, fifth is for wisdom (viveka bhava). > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > ------------ -- > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com> > > > rafal@/ > > > > > > vattem krishnan pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Rakesh Ji, > > > > " Think before you act " is a saying conveyed by wisemen.It is the > > > > judgement that comes out of intelligence, wisdom and the nature of > > the > > > > person that depends on lagna.The saying also conveys a planning > > > > aspect.More than mercury it is the saturn that passively makes a > > > > person to think before action as he reviews good and bad providing > > > > time to think and holding the action. > > > > Mercury is a mischievous planet and is neutral and dual in > > > > nature.behaves yet time as a planet ruling the house where it is > > > > posited.Mercury behaviour can be any thing.Astrologer if he uses his > > > > skills (5th house and it's lord) >it's proximity to sun and giving > > > > nipuna yoga/budha aditya yoga are always depnds extent of > > conjunctions > > > > and aspects of benifics. > > > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 7/11/09, rakeshmohan888 <rakeshmohan888@ ... > > > > <rakeshmohan 888%40. com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > rakeshmohan888 <rakeshmohan888@ ... > > > > <rakeshmohan 888%40. com>> > > > > Think before you act... > > > > > > <%40> > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > Saturday, July 11, 2009, 10:07 AM > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans, > > > > I always wonder what's the right way behind the phrase - " Think > > before > > > > you act " . Do we have to become astrologers of our own actions? > > Suppose > > > > we close our eyes before we act and think; what should we see? the > > > > action becoming a reality! Mercury the planet of intelligence, how > > > > does it help us to choose the right way. > > > > > > > > This question may be so obvious, but wondering there should be good > > > > solution that astrologers can provide. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Rakesh Mohan > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Dear Rakesh Simple. See number of malefics in kona to Karakaamsa, the more the better intuition/skills in these matters. When Ju/Ke then its good for astrology. For example my chart has Jupiter as AK and Ketu/Sun/Mars in kona to Karakaamsa, which gives normally the foresight which is necessary for Jyotish Regards Rafal Gendarz rakeshmohan888 pisze: > > > Dear Gurujans, > I am not sure your reply answered my question. In my question, I put > two queries that has been overlooked. Do we have to become astrologers > of our own actions. I was more looking for answers related to > intution, like which planet gives intution and placement of it in the > horoscope shows where our strengths are related to house matters it is > in. Next is when we close our eyes and think when planets trigger to > give us the solution wondering which house planet should we rely the > most to our solutions that will be mature and well recieved in the > world around us. > > Kindly can I get more specific answer? > > Thanks, > Rakesh > > > <%40>, Rafał Gendarz > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Jyotisha, > > > > 1) Knowledge and wisdom is associated with lagna per uttarakalamrta. > > > > 2) Jaimini sutra gives details about dhimanth yoga, and it includes > > Lagnesh being in third, fifth, sixth. > > > > 3) This comes from Orissa Jyotisha tradition > > > > ---- > > > > Few corrections per SJC line: > > > > a) aquired/born skills are seen in Navamsa trikona > > b) forth house is only primary education > > c) 'person as whole' is very general term and includes > > Lagna/Lagnesh/ Atmkaraka/ Karakaamsa/ Moon/Surya etc > > d) intelligence is also quite wide term, buddhi comes from > > Guru/Brhaspati, whilst dealing with it through language and words comes > > from Budha. Moon/Venus/Jupiter in kona to Navamsa lagna or associated > > with AL gives writer > > e) Shukra can give spirituality when associated with Ke/Ke+Sa/Meena > Rasi > > or in eight bhava. Being materialistic is quite relative, but yes..Guru > > thinks more in terms of sreya, Shukra in preya. > > > > Regards > > Rafal Gendarz > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com> > > > > sureshbabuag pisze: > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal Gendarz, > > > > > > //Lagna is for intelligence/ / > > > > > > I am surprised. > > > > > > Sage parasara has described lagna as " thanu " bhava †" meaning the > body > > > and the person as a whole. The first verse of Parasara Hora > Chapter 14 > > > (it may vary in some versions) uses the word as " sapaapo dehapo.. " > and > > > goes on to describe the results if lagna is occupied by malefic > > > planets and benefic planets in the whole chapter. > > > > > > Similarly Varamihira also described lagna as thanu in > > > " horaadayastanukuDu Mbasahothabandu " > > > > > > However 4th house is related with education and aquired skills and > > > education. This is well described in Bhaveshaphaladhya (effects of > > > lord of each bhava placed in other bhavas). 4th lord placed in lagna > > > gives education while placed in 7th (astha bhava) also makes him well > > > educated person and also makes him dumb in an assembly (either > implies > > > he will be scared of assembly or not able to shine and express > himself > > > in the midst of a group of persons). Further in the 12th he parasara > > > goes on to describe that it makes in " moodda " foolish implying that > > > even if he is educated it may not benefit him much or that he will > not > > > use it. > > > > > > Several original contemporaries also hold same view. While moon is > > > considered as the sthira karaka for the 4th bhava, mercury is > > > considered as karaka for education †" acquired intelligence and > Jupiter > > > as Pragjna karaka †" wisdom, natural intelligence of the inner self. > > > Being the daithya guru †" diplomacy and a thinking based on > diplomacy > > > and a wider perspective than Venus (daanava guru) who instigates pure > > > materialism based on one-sided outlook (own side). > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz > > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > /*om namo bhagavate narasimhaya* / > > > > Dear Members > > > > > > > > Guru is dhi-karaka (intelligence) , not mercury. Budha rules > speech - > > > > vak-karaka. > > > > > > > > Lagna is for intelligence, fifth is for wisdom (viveka bhava). > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > ------------ -- > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com>> > > > > rafal@/ > > > > > > > > vattem krishnan pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Rakesh Ji, > > > > > " Think before you act " is a saying conveyed by wisemen.It is the > > > > > judgement that comes out of intelligence, wisdom and the > nature of > > > the > > > > > person that depends on lagna.The saying also conveys a planning > > > > > aspect.More than mercury it is the saturn that passively makes a > > > > > person to think before action as he reviews good and bad providing > > > > > time to think and holding the action. > > > > > Mercury is a mischievous planet and is neutral and dual in > > > > > nature.behaves yet time as a planet ruling the house where it is > > > > > posited.Mercury behaviour can be any thing.Astrologer if he > uses his > > > > > skills (5th house and it's lord) >it's proximity to sun and giving > > > > > nipuna yoga/budha aditya yoga are always depnds extent of > > > conjunctions > > > > > and aspects of benifics. > > > > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 7/11/09, rakeshmohan888 <rakeshmohan888@ ... > > > > > <rakeshmohan 888%40. com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > rakeshmohan888 <rakeshmohan888@ ... > > > > > <rakeshmohan 888%40. com>> > > > > > Think before you act... > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > Saturday, July 11, 2009, 10:07 AM > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans, > > > > > I always wonder what's the right way behind the phrase - " Think > > > before > > > > > you act " . Do we have to become astrologers of our own actions? > > > Suppose > > > > > we close our eyes before we act and think; what should we see? the > > > > > action becoming a reality! Mercury the planet of intelligence, how > > > > > does it help us to choose the right way. > > > > > > > > > > This question may be so obvious, but wondering there should be > good > > > > > solution that astrologers can provide. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Rakesh Mohan > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Rakesh ji, The answer is obvious as Mercury does not guide as it's not just intutions.Astrology is the study of planets along with their lordships and houses.These combinations and conjunctions are core for several actions that materialise. You are trying to drive at some other way of inference. vrkrishnan --- On Sun, 7/12/09, rakeshmohan888 <rakeshmohan888 wrote: rakeshmohan888 <rakeshmohan888 Re: Think before you act... Sunday, July 12, 2009, 3:45 PM Dear Gurujans, I am not sure your reply answered my question. In my question, I put two queries that has been overlooked. Do we have to become astrologers of our own actions. I was more looking for answers related to intution, like which planet gives intution and placement of it in the horoscope shows where our strengths are related to house matters it is in. Next is when we close our eyes and think when planets trigger to give us the solution wondering which house planet should we rely the most to our solutions that will be mature and well recieved in the world around us. Kindly can I get more specific answer? Thanks, Rakesh , RafaÅ‚ Gendarz <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Jyotisha, > > 1) Knowledge and wisdom is associated with lagna per uttarakalamrta. > > 2) Jaimini sutra gives details about dhimanth yoga, and it includes > Lagnesh being in third, fifth, sixth. > > 3) This comes from Orissa Jyotisha tradition > > ---- > > Few corrections per SJC line: > > a) aquired/born skills are seen in Navamsa trikona > b) forth house is only primary education > c) 'person as whole' is very general term and includes > Lagna/Lagnesh/ Atmkaraka/ Karakaamsa/ Moon/Surya etc > d) intelligence is also quite wide term, buddhi comes from > Guru/Brhaspati, whilst dealing with it through language and words comes > from Budha. Moon/Venus/Jupiter in kona to Navamsa lagna or associated > with AL gives writer > e) Shukra can give spirituality when associated with Ke/Ke+Sa/Meena Rasi > or in eight bhava. Being materialistic is quite relative, but yes..Guru > thinks more in terms of sreya, Shukra in preya. > > Regards > Rafal Gendarz > SJC Jyotish Guru > http://rohinaa. com > > sureshbabuag pisze: > > > > > > Dear Rafal Gendarz, > > > > //Lagna is for intelligence/ / > > > > I am surprised. > > > > Sage parasara has described lagna as " thanu " bhava †" meaning the body > > and the person as a whole. The first verse of Parasara Hora Chapter 14 > > (it may vary in some versions) uses the word as " sapaapo dehapo.. " and > > goes on to describe the results if lagna is occupied by malefic > > planets and benefic planets in the whole chapter. > > > > Similarly Varamihira also described lagna as thanu in > > " horaadayastanukuDu Mbasahothabandu " > > > > However 4th house is related with education and aquired skills and > > education. This is well described in Bhaveshaphaladhya (effects of > > lord of each bhava placed in other bhavas). 4th lord placed in lagna > > gives education while placed in 7th (astha bhava) also makes him well > > educated person and also makes him dumb in an assembly (either implies > > he will be scared of assembly or not able to shine and express himself > > in the midst of a group of persons). Further in the 12th he parasara > > goes on to describe that it makes in " moodda " foolish implying that > > even if he is educated it may not benefit him much or that he will not > > use it. > > > > Several original contemporaries also hold same view. While moon is > > considered as the sthira karaka for the 4th bhava, mercury is > > considered as karaka for education †" acquired intelligence and Jupiter > > as Pragjna karaka †" wisdom, natural intelligence of the inner self. > > Being the daithya guru †" diplomacy and a thinking based on diplomacy > > and a wider perspective than Venus (daanava guru) who instigates pure > > materialism based on one-sided outlook (own side). > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > /*om namo bhagavate narasimhaya* / > > > Dear Members > > > > > > Guru is dhi-karaka (intelligence) , not mercury. Budha rules speech - > > > vak-karaka. > > > > > > Lagna is for intelligence, fifth is for wisdom (viveka bhava). > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > ------------ -- > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com> > > > rafal@/ > > > > > > vattem krishnan pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Rakesh Ji, > > > > " Think before you act " is a saying conveyed by wisemen.It is the > > > > judgement that comes out of intelligence, wisdom and the nature of > > the > > > > person that depends on lagna.The saying also conveys a planning > > > > aspect.More than mercury it is the saturn that passively makes a > > > > person to think before action as he reviews good and bad providing > > > > time to think and holding the action. > > > > Mercury is a mischievous planet and is neutral and dual in > > > > nature.behaves yet time as a planet ruling the house where it is > > > > posited.Mercury behaviour can be any thing.Astrologer if he uses his > > > > skills (5th house and it's lord) >it's proximity to sun and giving > > > > nipuna yoga/budha aditya yoga are always depnds extent of > > conjunctions > > > > and aspects of benifics. > > > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 7/11/09, rakeshmohan888 <rakeshmohan888@ ... > > > > <rakeshmohan 888%40. com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > rakeshmohan888 <rakeshmohan888@ ... > > > > <rakeshmohan 888%40. com>> > > > > Think before you act... > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > Saturday, July 11, 2009, 10:07 AM > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans, > > > > I always wonder what's the right way behind the phrase - " Think > > before > > > > you act " . Do we have to become astrologers of our own actions? > > Suppose > > > > we close our eyes before we act and think; what should we see? the > > > > action becoming a reality! Mercury the planet of intelligence, how > > > > does it help us to choose the right way. > > > > > > > > This question may be so obvious, but wondering there should be good > > > > solution that astrologers can provide. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Rakesh Mohan > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Dear Mr. Gendarz, Thanks for sharing. I realize that there are two schools of thought regarding Karakamsha kundali, some insist that it must be examined in D9 while others insist that Karakamsha should be derived from D9 (Navamsha sign occupoed by Atmakaraka) and then the D1 chart should be studied (Karakamsha Rashi kundali). All that can be quite confusing, all these multiple opinions. Would this native qualify as meeting the rule that you shared? 17 March 1942 00:29 (12:29 AM) Central War Time (-5:00 H from GMT/UT) Chicago, Illinois, USA (87W39 and 41N51) I get Jupiter as Atmakaraka in Rohini Nakshatra. Rohiniranjan , Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > Dear Rakesh > Simple. > See number of malefics in kona to Karakaamsa, the more the better > intuition/skills in these matters. When Ju/Ke then its good for > astrology. For example my chart has Jupiter as AK and Ketu/Sun/Mars in > kona to Karakaamsa, which > gives normally the foresight which is necessary for Jyotish > Regards > Rafal Gendarz > > > rakeshmohan888 pisze: > > > > > > Dear Gurujans, > > I am not sure your reply answered my question. In my question, I put > > two queries that has been overlooked. Do we have to become astrologers > > of our own actions. I was more looking for answers related to > > intution, like which planet gives intution and placement of it in the > > horoscope shows where our strengths are related to house matters it is > > in. Next is when we close our eyes and think when planets trigger to > > give us the solution wondering which house planet should we rely the > > most to our solutions that will be mature and well recieved in the > > world around us. > > > > Kindly can I get more specific answer? > > > > Thanks, > > Rakesh > > > > > > <%40>, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Jyotisha, > > > > > > 1) Knowledge and wisdom is associated with lagna per uttarakalamrta. > > > > > > 2) Jaimini sutra gives details about dhimanth yoga, and it includes > > > Lagnesh being in third, fifth, sixth. > > > > > > 3) This comes from Orissa Jyotisha tradition > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > Few corrections per SJC line: > > > > > > a) aquired/born skills are seen in Navamsa trikona > > > b) forth house is only primary education > > > c) 'person as whole' is very general term and includes > > > Lagna/Lagnesh/ Atmkaraka/ Karakaamsa/ Moon/Surya etc > > > d) intelligence is also quite wide term, buddhi comes from > > > Guru/Brhaspati, whilst dealing with it through language and words comes > > > from Budha. Moon/Venus/Jupiter in kona to Navamsa lagna or associated > > > with AL gives writer > > > e) Shukra can give spirituality when associated with Ke/Ke+Sa/Meena > > Rasi > > > or in eight bhava. Being materialistic is quite relative, but yes..Guru > > > thinks more in terms of sreya, Shukra in preya. > > > > > > Regards > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com> > > > > > > sureshbabuag pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal Gendarz, > > > > > > > > //Lagna is for intelligence/ / > > > > > > > > I am surprised. > > > > > > > > Sage parasara has described lagna as " thanu " bhava †" meaning the > > body > > > > and the person as a whole. The first verse of Parasara Hora > > Chapter 14 > > > > (it may vary in some versions) uses the word as " sapaapo dehapo.. " > > and > > > > goes on to describe the results if lagna is occupied by malefic > > > > planets and benefic planets in the whole chapter. > > > > > > > > Similarly Varamihira also described lagna as thanu in > > > > " horaadayastanukuDu Mbasahothabandu " > > > > > > > > However 4th house is related with education and aquired skills and > > > > education. This is well described in Bhaveshaphaladhya (effects of > > > > lord of each bhava placed in other bhavas). 4th lord placed in lagna > > > > gives education while placed in 7th (astha bhava) also makes him well > > > > educated person and also makes him dumb in an assembly (either > > implies > > > > he will be scared of assembly or not able to shine and express > > himself > > > > in the midst of a group of persons). Further in the 12th he parasara > > > > goes on to describe that it makes in " moodda " foolish implying that > > > > even if he is educated it may not benefit him much or that he will > > not > > > > use it. > > > > > > > > Several original contemporaries also hold same view. While moon is > > > > considered as the sthira karaka for the 4th bhava, mercury is > > > > considered as karaka for education †" acquired intelligence and > > Jupiter > > > > as Pragjna karaka †" wisdom, natural intelligence of the inner self. > > > > Being the daithya guru †" diplomacy and a thinking based on > > diplomacy > > > > and a wider perspective than Venus (daanava guru) who instigates pure > > > > materialism based on one-sided outlook (own side). > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz > > > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > /*om namo bhagavate narasimhaya* / > > > > > Dear Members > > > > > > > > > > Guru is dhi-karaka (intelligence) , not mercury. Budha rules > > speech - > > > > > vak-karaka. > > > > > > > > > > Lagna is for intelligence, fifth is for wisdom (viveka bhava). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > > ------------ -- > > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com>> > > > > > rafal@/ > > > > > > > > > > vattem krishnan pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Rakesh Ji, > > > > > > " Think before you act " is a saying conveyed by wisemen.It is the > > > > > > judgement that comes out of intelligence, wisdom and the > > nature of > > > > the > > > > > > person that depends on lagna.The saying also conveys a planning > > > > > > aspect.More than mercury it is the saturn that passively makes a > > > > > > person to think before action as he reviews good and bad providing > > > > > > time to think and holding the action. > > > > > > Mercury is a mischievous planet and is neutral and dual in > > > > > > nature.behaves yet time as a planet ruling the house where it is > > > > > > posited.Mercury behaviour can be any thing.Astrologer if he > > uses his > > > > > > skills (5th house and it's lord) >it's proximity to sun and giving > > > > > > nipuna yoga/budha aditya yoga are always depnds extent of > > > > conjunctions > > > > > > and aspects of benifics. > > > > > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 7/11/09, rakeshmohan888 <rakeshmohan888@ ... > > > > > > <rakeshmohan 888%40. com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > rakeshmohan888 <rakeshmohan888@ ... > > > > > > <rakeshmohan 888%40. com>> > > > > > > Think before you act... > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > Saturday, July 11, 2009, 10:07 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans, > > > > > > I always wonder what's the right way behind the phrase - " Think > > > > before > > > > > > you act " . Do we have to become astrologers of our own actions? > > > > Suppose > > > > > > we close our eyes before we act and think; what should we see? the > > > > > > action becoming a reality! Mercury the planet of intelligence, how > > > > > > does it help us to choose the right way. > > > > > > > > > > > > This question may be so obvious, but wondering there should be > > good > > > > > > solution that astrologers can provide. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Rakesh Mohan > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Dada, Hermes/Mercury being the light-footed messenger shuttling between humans and Gods -- why can it not hold sway over the 'flash-transfer' of information from the collective consciousness to the individualized consciousness? Isn't that what intuitions are? Or is it the even faster Moon that is responsible for the Flash-of-intuition? Or it is mercury and moon working in tandem and not as traditions chose to portray them? And if Jupiter is 'wise' in a given chart, the information gets utilized properly but if Jiva is not, the true *message* risks getting lost? I had this 'thought-bubble' which I came upon when watching some children who were working on a project dealing with pulleys, chemicals and live animals -- a kitten to be specific in this instance who was supposed to be the ultimate benefactor and test-guinea pig/consumer in this COsMIC experiment -- although for convenience these children were using a dog-bone which was available! Shops were closed and no Kitty-goodies were available at that moment. The kitty must have been very bored previously because she played along superbly! Biology is so wonderful ... :-) While they were learning and playing with science, as I watched the 'Leela' I was reading and sensing astrology (and more...) in that project! Someday I will share that very interesting observation, godwilling! Rohiniranjan , vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Rakesh ji, > The answer is obvious as Mercury does not guide as it's not just intutions.Astrology is the study of planets along with their lordships and houses.These combinations and conjunctions are core for several actions that materialise. > You are trying to drive at some other way of inference. > vrkrishnan > > --- On Sun, 7/12/09, rakeshmohan888 <rakeshmohan888 wrote: > > > rakeshmohan888 <rakeshmohan888 > Re: Think before you act... > > Sunday, July 12, 2009, 3:45 PM > > Dear Gurujans, > I am not sure your reply answered my question. In my question, I put two queries that has been overlooked. Do we have to become astrologers of our own actions. I was more looking for answers related to intution, like which planet gives intution and placement of it in the horoscope shows where our strengths are related to house matters it is in. Next is when we close our eyes and think when planets trigger to give us the solution wondering which house planet should we rely the most to our solutions that will be mature and well recieved in the world around us. > > Kindly can I get more specific answer? > > Thanks, > Rakesh > > , RafaÅ‚ Gendarz <starsuponme@ ....> wrote: > > > > Dear Jyotisha, > > > > 1) Knowledge and wisdom is associated with lagna per uttarakalamrta. > > > > 2) Jaimini sutra gives details about dhimanth yoga, and it includes > > Lagnesh being in third, fifth, sixth. > > > > 3) This comes from Orissa Jyotisha tradition > > > > ---- > > > > Few corrections per SJC line: > > > > a) aquired/born skills are seen in Navamsa trikona > > b) forth house is only primary education > > c) 'person as whole' is very general term and includes > > Lagna/Lagnesh/ Atmkaraka/ Karakaamsa/ Moon/Surya etc > > d) intelligence is also quite wide term, buddhi comes from > > Guru/Brhaspati, whilst dealing with it through language and words comes > > from Budha. Moon/Venus/Jupiter in kona to Navamsa lagna or associated > > with AL gives writer > > e) Shukra can give spirituality when associated with Ke/Ke+Sa/Meena Rasi > > or in eight bhava. Being materialistic is quite relative, but yes..Guru > > thinks more in terms of sreya, Shukra in preya. > > > > Regards > > Rafal Gendarz > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > http://rohinaa. com > > > > sureshbabuag pisze: > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal Gendarz, > > > > > > //Lagna is for intelligence/ / > > > > > > I am surprised. > > > > > > Sage parasara has described lagna as " thanu " bhava †" meaning the body > > > and the person as a whole. The first verse of Parasara Hora Chapter 14 > > > (it may vary in some versions) uses the word as " sapaapo dehapo.. " and > > > goes on to describe the results if lagna is occupied by malefic > > > planets and benefic planets in the whole chapter. > > > > > > Similarly Varamihira also described lagna as thanu in > > > " horaadayastanukuDu Mbasahothabandu " > > > > > > However 4th house is related with education and aquired skills and > > > education. This is well described in Bhaveshaphaladhya (effects of > > > lord of each bhava placed in other bhavas). 4th lord placed in lagna > > > gives education while placed in 7th (astha bhava) also makes him well > > > educated person and also makes him dumb in an assembly (either implies > > > he will be scared of assembly or not able to shine and express himself > > > in the midst of a group of persons). Further in the 12th he parasara > > > goes on to describe that it makes in " moodda " foolish implying that > > > even if he is educated it may not benefit him much or that he will not > > > use it. > > > > > > Several original contemporaries also hold same view. While moon is > > > considered as the sthira karaka for the 4th bhava, mercury is > > > considered as karaka for education †" acquired intelligence and Jupiter > > > as Pragjna karaka †" wisdom, natural intelligence of the inner self. > > > Being the daithya guru †" diplomacy and a thinking based on diplomacy > > > and a wider perspective than Venus (daanava guru) who instigates pure > > > materialism based on one-sided outlook (own side). > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz > > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > /*om namo bhagavate narasimhaya* / > > > > Dear Members > > > > > > > > Guru is dhi-karaka (intelligence) , not mercury. Budha rules speech - > > > > vak-karaka. > > > > > > > > Lagna is for intelligence, fifth is for wisdom (viveka bhava). > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > ------------ -- > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com> > > > > rafal@/ > > > > > > > > vattem krishnan pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Rakesh Ji, > > > > > " Think before you act " is a saying conveyed by wisemen.It is the > > > > > judgement that comes out of intelligence, wisdom and the nature of > > > the > > > > > person that depends on lagna.The saying also conveys a planning > > > > > aspect.More than mercury it is the saturn that passively makes a > > > > > person to think before action as he reviews good and bad providing > > > > > time to think and holding the action. > > > > > Mercury is a mischievous planet and is neutral and dual in > > > > > nature.behaves yet time as a planet ruling the house where it is > > > > > posited.Mercury behaviour can be any thing.Astrologer if he uses his > > > > > skills (5th house and it's lord) >it's proximity to sun and giving > > > > > nipuna yoga/budha aditya yoga are always depnds extent of > > > conjunctions > > > > > and aspects of benifics. > > > > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 7/11/09, rakeshmohan888 <rakeshmohan888@ ... > > > > > <rakeshmohan 888%40. com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > rakeshmohan888 <rakeshmohan888@ ... > > > > > <rakeshmohan 888%40. com>> > > > > > Think before you act... > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > Saturday, July 11, 2009, 10:07 AM > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans, > > > > > I always wonder what's the right way behind the phrase - " Think > > > before > > > > > you act " . Do we have to become astrologers of our own actions? > > > Suppose > > > > > we close our eyes before we act and think; what should we see? the > > > > > action becoming a reality! Mercury the planet of intelligence, how > > > > > does it help us to choose the right way. > > > > > > > > > > This question may be so obvious, but wondering there should be good > > > > > solution that astrologers can provide. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Rakesh Mohan > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Thanks a lot Rafaz for the reply. It's good to know that I have Saturn in the trines to Karakaamsa sign in the Rasi chart which gives me that spiritual strength. (DOB 30-09-1972 2:10 PM Hyderabad, India) I would be glad if you can answer one more related question; which planet or house rules our sense to 'See'. Often in our success in reality will be based on how we think on what we see. I am trying to understand is, whether I should think on what I see or what I think based on experience. Please give your opinions Gurujans. Thanks, Rakesh Mohan , Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > Dear Rakesh > Simple. > See number of malefics in kona to Karakaamsa, the more the better > intuition/skills in these matters. When Ju/Ke then its good for > astrology. For example my chart has Jupiter as AK and Ketu/Sun/Mars in > kona to Karakaamsa, which > gives normally the foresight which is necessary for Jyotish > Regards > Rafal Gendarz > > > rakeshmohan888 pisze: > > > > > > Dear Gurujans, > > I am not sure your reply answered my question. In my question, I put > > two queries that has been overlooked. Do we have to become astrologers > > of our own actions. I was more looking for answers related to > > intution, like which planet gives intution and placement of it in the > > horoscope shows where our strengths are related to house matters it is > > in. Next is when we close our eyes and think when planets trigger to > > give us the solution wondering which house planet should we rely the > > most to our solutions that will be mature and well recieved in the > > world around us. > > > > Kindly can I get more specific answer? > > > > Thanks, > > Rakesh > > > > > > <%40>, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Jyotisha, > > > > > > 1) Knowledge and wisdom is associated with lagna per uttarakalamrta. > > > > > > 2) Jaimini sutra gives details about dhimanth yoga, and it includes > > > Lagnesh being in third, fifth, sixth. > > > > > > 3) This comes from Orissa Jyotisha tradition > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > Few corrections per SJC line: > > > > > > a) aquired/born skills are seen in Navamsa trikona > > > b) forth house is only primary education > > > c) 'person as whole' is very general term and includes > > > Lagna/Lagnesh/ Atmkaraka/ Karakaamsa/ Moon/Surya etc > > > d) intelligence is also quite wide term, buddhi comes from > > > Guru/Brhaspati, whilst dealing with it through language and words comes > > > from Budha. Moon/Venus/Jupiter in kona to Navamsa lagna or associated > > > with AL gives writer > > > e) Shukra can give spirituality when associated with Ke/Ke+Sa/Meena > > Rasi > > > or in eight bhava. Being materialistic is quite relative, but yes..Guru > > > thinks more in terms of sreya, Shukra in preya. > > > > > > Regards > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com> > > > > > > sureshbabuag pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal Gendarz, > > > > > > > > //Lagna is for intelligence/ / > > > > > > > > I am surprised. > > > > > > > > Sage parasara has described lagna as " thanu " bhava †" meaning the > > body > > > > and the person as a whole. The first verse of Parasara Hora > > Chapter 14 > > > > (it may vary in some versions) uses the word as " sapaapo dehapo.. " > > and > > > > goes on to describe the results if lagna is occupied by malefic > > > > planets and benefic planets in the whole chapter. > > > > > > > > Similarly Varamihira also described lagna as thanu in > > > > " horaadayastanukuDu Mbasahothabandu " > > > > > > > > However 4th house is related with education and aquired skills and > > > > education. This is well described in Bhaveshaphaladhya (effects of > > > > lord of each bhava placed in other bhavas). 4th lord placed in lagna > > > > gives education while placed in 7th (astha bhava) also makes him well > > > > educated person and also makes him dumb in an assembly (either > > implies > > > > he will be scared of assembly or not able to shine and express > > himself > > > > in the midst of a group of persons). Further in the 12th he parasara > > > > goes on to describe that it makes in " moodda " foolish implying that > > > > even if he is educated it may not benefit him much or that he will > > not > > > > use it. > > > > > > > > Several original contemporaries also hold same view. While moon is > > > > considered as the sthira karaka for the 4th bhava, mercury is > > > > considered as karaka for education †" acquired intelligence and > > Jupiter > > > > as Pragjna karaka †" wisdom, natural intelligence of the inner self. > > > > Being the daithya guru †" diplomacy and a thinking based on > > diplomacy > > > > and a wider perspective than Venus (daanava guru) who instigates pure > > > > materialism based on one-sided outlook (own side). > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz > > > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > /*om namo bhagavate narasimhaya* / > > > > > Dear Members > > > > > > > > > > Guru is dhi-karaka (intelligence) , not mercury. Budha rules > > speech - > > > > > vak-karaka. > > > > > > > > > > Lagna is for intelligence, fifth is for wisdom (viveka bhava). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > > ------------ -- > > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com>> > > > > > rafal@/ > > > > > > > > > > vattem krishnan pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Rakesh Ji, > > > > > > " Think before you act " is a saying conveyed by wisemen.It is the > > > > > > judgement that comes out of intelligence, wisdom and the > > nature of > > > > the > > > > > > person that depends on lagna.The saying also conveys a planning > > > > > > aspect.More than mercury it is the saturn that passively makes a > > > > > > person to think before action as he reviews good and bad providing > > > > > > time to think and holding the action. > > > > > > Mercury is a mischievous planet and is neutral and dual in > > > > > > nature.behaves yet time as a planet ruling the house where it is > > > > > > posited.Mercury behaviour can be any thing.Astrologer if he > > uses his > > > > > > skills (5th house and it's lord) >it's proximity to sun and giving > > > > > > nipuna yoga/budha aditya yoga are always depnds extent of > > > > conjunctions > > > > > > and aspects of benifics. > > > > > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 7/11/09, rakeshmohan888 <rakeshmohan888@ ... > > > > > > <rakeshmohan 888%40. com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > rakeshmohan888 <rakeshmohan888@ ... > > > > > > <rakeshmohan 888%40. com>> > > > > > > Think before you act... > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > Saturday, July 11, 2009, 10:07 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans, > > > > > > I always wonder what's the right way behind the phrase - " Think > > > > before > > > > > > you act " . Do we have to become astrologers of our own actions? > > > > Suppose > > > > > > we close our eyes before we act and think; what should we see? the > > > > > > action becoming a reality! Mercury the planet of intelligence, how > > > > > > does it help us to choose the right way. > > > > > > > > > > > > This question may be so obvious, but wondering there should be > > good > > > > > > solution that astrologers can provide. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Rakesh Mohan > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Rakeshmohan ji, I usually do not respond to " please respond Guruji " questions but for some reason, you sound different! So I shall respond! Once you begin to equate Saturn with strength instead of weakness you tread on ICE as many of us immigrants who have never experienced ICE first stepped on it without shoes with spiked treads! Most mountain climbers, particularly those on Himalayan expeditions need such climbing boots to keep their feet warm and so that their step does not slip! Saturn is NOT about strength really! Saturn is about WEAKNESS, no matter how strong in this or that bala or whatever! As long as it is not alone, isolated and remains ignored! That is the recipe for trouble! I know I sometimes seem to some as if I speak in parables as I have sometimes been accused of -- but not everyone complains or complained! ;-) Some find me irritating as if a tiny needle has injected formic acid into your skin! Is that where formication comes from? A friendly advice: When examining a chart and pronouncing what saturn is going to do, please do not forget to examine and consider how and with whom it is connected! Reminds you of how mercury is described traditionally? By its associations? Mercury and saturn have a very speical and very close mutual relationship and it is interestingly competitive and mutually stimulating in a sense! If you look from the perspective of where they *live*, the answer would be right in front of your eyes! Best wishes, Rohiniranjan , " rakeshmohan888 " <rakeshmohan888 wrote: > > Thanks a lot Rafaz for the reply. It's good to know that I have Saturn in the trines to Karakaamsa sign in the Rasi chart which gives me that spiritual strength. (DOB 30-09-1972 2:10 PM Hyderabad, India) > > I would be glad if you can answer one more related question; which planet or house rules our sense to 'See'. Often in our success in reality will be based on how we think on what we see. > > I am trying to understand is, whether I should think on what I see or what I think based on experience. > > Please give your opinions Gurujans. > > Thanks, > Rakesh Mohan > > , Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > Dear Rakesh > > Simple. > > See number of malefics in kona to Karakaamsa, the more the better > > intuition/skills in these matters. When Ju/Ke then its good for > > astrology. For example my chart has Jupiter as AK and Ketu/Sun/Mars in > > kona to Karakaamsa, which > > gives normally the foresight which is necessary for Jyotish > > Regards > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > rakeshmohan888 pisze: > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans, > > > I am not sure your reply answered my question. In my question, I put > > > two queries that has been overlooked. Do we have to become astrologers > > > of our own actions. I was more looking for answers related to > > > intution, like which planet gives intution and placement of it in the > > > horoscope shows where our strengths are related to house matters it is > > > in. Next is when we close our eyes and think when planets trigger to > > > give us the solution wondering which house planet should we rely the > > > most to our solutions that will be mature and well recieved in the > > > world around us. > > > > > > Kindly can I get more specific answer? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Rakesh > > > > > > > > > <%40>, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz > > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Jyotisha, > > > > > > > > 1) Knowledge and wisdom is associated with lagna per uttarakalamrta. > > > > > > > > 2) Jaimini sutra gives details about dhimanth yoga, and it includes > > > > Lagnesh being in third, fifth, sixth. > > > > > > > > 3) This comes from Orissa Jyotisha tradition > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > Few corrections per SJC line: > > > > > > > > a) aquired/born skills are seen in Navamsa trikona > > > > b) forth house is only primary education > > > > c) 'person as whole' is very general term and includes > > > > Lagna/Lagnesh/ Atmkaraka/ Karakaamsa/ Moon/Surya etc > > > > d) intelligence is also quite wide term, buddhi comes from > > > > Guru/Brhaspati, whilst dealing with it through language and words comes > > > > from Budha. Moon/Venus/Jupiter in kona to Navamsa lagna or associated > > > > with AL gives writer > > > > e) Shukra can give spirituality when associated with Ke/Ke+Sa/Meena > > > Rasi > > > > or in eight bhava. Being materialistic is quite relative, but yes..Guru > > > > thinks more in terms of sreya, Shukra in preya. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com> > > > > > > > > sureshbabuag pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal Gendarz, > > > > > > > > > > //Lagna is for intelligence/ / > > > > > > > > > > I am surprised. > > > > > > > > > > Sage parasara has described lagna as " thanu " bhava †" meaning the > > > body > > > > > and the person as a whole. The first verse of Parasara Hora > > > Chapter 14 > > > > > (it may vary in some versions) uses the word as " sapaapo dehapo.. " > > > and > > > > > goes on to describe the results if lagna is occupied by malefic > > > > > planets and benefic planets in the whole chapter. > > > > > > > > > > Similarly Varamihira also described lagna as thanu in > > > > > " horaadayastanukuDu Mbasahothabandu " > > > > > > > > > > However 4th house is related with education and aquired skills and > > > > > education. This is well described in Bhaveshaphaladhya (effects of > > > > > lord of each bhava placed in other bhavas). 4th lord placed in lagna > > > > > gives education while placed in 7th (astha bhava) also makes him well > > > > > educated person and also makes him dumb in an assembly (either > > > implies > > > > > he will be scared of assembly or not able to shine and express > > > himself > > > > > in the midst of a group of persons). Further in the 12th he parasara > > > > > goes on to describe that it makes in " moodda " foolish implying that > > > > > even if he is educated it may not benefit him much or that he will > > > not > > > > > use it. > > > > > > > > > > Several original contemporaries also hold same view. While moon is > > > > > considered as the sthira karaka for the 4th bhava, mercury is > > > > > considered as karaka for education †" acquired intelligence and > > > Jupiter > > > > > as Pragjna karaka †" wisdom, natural intelligence of the inner self. > > > > > Being the daithya guru †" diplomacy and a thinking based on > > > diplomacy > > > > > and a wider perspective than Venus (daanava guru) who instigates pure > > > > > materialism based on one-sided outlook (own side). > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz > > > > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > /*om namo bhagavate narasimhaya* / > > > > > > Dear Members > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru is dhi-karaka (intelligence) , not mercury. Budha rules > > > speech - > > > > > > vak-karaka. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna is for intelligence, fifth is for wisdom (viveka bhava). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > > > ------------ -- > > > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com>> > > > > > > rafal@/ > > > > > > > > > > > > vattem krishnan pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Rakesh Ji, > > > > > > > " Think before you act " is a saying conveyed by wisemen.It is the > > > > > > > judgement that comes out of intelligence, wisdom and the > > > nature of > > > > > the > > > > > > > person that depends on lagna.The saying also conveys a planning > > > > > > > aspect.More than mercury it is the saturn that passively makes a > > > > > > > person to think before action as he reviews good and bad providing > > > > > > > time to think and holding the action. > > > > > > > Mercury is a mischievous planet and is neutral and dual in > > > > > > > nature.behaves yet time as a planet ruling the house where it is > > > > > > > posited.Mercury behaviour can be any thing.Astrologer if he > > > uses his > > > > > > > skills (5th house and it's lord) >it's proximity to sun and giving > > > > > > > nipuna yoga/budha aditya yoga are always depnds extent of > > > > > conjunctions > > > > > > > and aspects of benifics. > > > > > > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 7/11/09, rakeshmohan888 <rakeshmohan888@ ... > > > > > > > <rakeshmohan 888%40. com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rakeshmohan888 <rakeshmohan888@ ... > > > > > > > <rakeshmohan 888%40. com>> > > > > > > > Think before you act... > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > Saturday, July 11, 2009, 10:07 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans, > > > > > > > I always wonder what's the right way behind the phrase - " Think > > > > > before > > > > > > > you act " . Do we have to become astrologers of our own actions? > > > > > Suppose > > > > > > > we close our eyes before we act and think; what should we see? the > > > > > > > action becoming a reality! Mercury the planet of intelligence, how > > > > > > > does it help us to choose the right way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This question may be so obvious, but wondering there should be > > > good > > > > > > > solution that astrologers can provide. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Rakesh Mohan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Thanks Rohiniji for your reply. , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Rakeshmohan ji, > > I usually do not respond to " please respond Guruji " questions but for some reason, you sound different! So I shall respond! > > Once you begin to equate Saturn with strength instead of weakness you tread on ICE as many of us immigrants who have never experienced ICE first stepped on it without shoes with spiked treads! Most mountain climbers, particularly those on Himalayan expeditions need such climbing boots to keep their feet warm and so that their step does not slip! > > Saturn is NOT about strength really! Saturn is about WEAKNESS, no matter how strong in this or that bala or whatever! > > As long as it is not alone, isolated and remains ignored! That is the recipe for trouble! > > I know I sometimes seem to some as if I speak in parables as I have sometimes been accused of -- but not everyone complains or complained! ;-) > > Some find me irritating as if a tiny needle has injected formic acid into your skin! Is that where formication comes from? > > A friendly advice: When examining a chart and pronouncing what saturn is going to do, please do not forget to examine and consider how and with whom it is connected! > > Reminds you of how mercury is described traditionally? By its associations? > > Mercury and saturn have a very speical and very close mutual relationship and it is interestingly competitive and mutually stimulating in a sense! If you look from the perspective of where they *live*, the answer would be right in front of your eyes! > > Best wishes, > > Rohiniranjan > , " rakeshmohan888 " <rakeshmohan888@> wrote: > > > > Thanks a lot Rafaz for the reply. It's good to know that I have Saturn in the trines to Karakaamsa sign in the Rasi chart which gives me that spiritual strength. (DOB 30-09-1972 2:10 PM Hyderabad, India) > > > > I would be glad if you can answer one more related question; which planet or house rules our sense to 'See'. Often in our success in reality will be based on how we think on what we see. > > > > I am trying to understand is, whether I should think on what I see or what I think based on experience. > > > > Please give your opinions Gurujans. > > > > Thanks, > > Rakesh Mohan > > > > , Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rakesh > > > Simple. > > > See number of malefics in kona to Karakaamsa, the more the better > > > intuition/skills in these matters. When Ju/Ke then its good for > > > astrology. For example my chart has Jupiter as AK and Ketu/Sun/Mars in > > > kona to Karakaamsa, which > > > gives normally the foresight which is necessary for Jyotish > > > Regards > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > rakeshmohan888 pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans, > > > > I am not sure your reply answered my question. In my question, I put > > > > two queries that has been overlooked. Do we have to become astrologers > > > > of our own actions. I was more looking for answers related to > > > > intution, like which planet gives intution and placement of it in the > > > > horoscope shows where our strengths are related to house matters it is > > > > in. Next is when we close our eyes and think when planets trigger to > > > > give us the solution wondering which house planet should we rely the > > > > most to our solutions that will be mature and well recieved in the > > > > world around us. > > > > > > > > Kindly can I get more specific answer? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Rakesh > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz > > > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jyotisha, > > > > > > > > > > 1) Knowledge and wisdom is associated with lagna per uttarakalamrta. > > > > > > > > > > 2) Jaimini sutra gives details about dhimanth yoga, and it includes > > > > > Lagnesh being in third, fifth, sixth. > > > > > > > > > > 3) This comes from Orissa Jyotisha tradition > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > Few corrections per SJC line: > > > > > > > > > > a) aquired/born skills are seen in Navamsa trikona > > > > > b) forth house is only primary education > > > > > c) 'person as whole' is very general term and includes > > > > > Lagna/Lagnesh/ Atmkaraka/ Karakaamsa/ Moon/Surya etc > > > > > d) intelligence is also quite wide term, buddhi comes from > > > > > Guru/Brhaspati, whilst dealing with it through language and words comes > > > > > from Budha. Moon/Venus/Jupiter in kona to Navamsa lagna or associated > > > > > with AL gives writer > > > > > e) Shukra can give spirituality when associated with Ke/Ke+Sa/Meena > > > > Rasi > > > > > or in eight bhava. Being materialistic is quite relative, but yes..Guru > > > > > thinks more in terms of sreya, Shukra in preya. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com> > > > > > > > > > > sureshbabuag pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal Gendarz, > > > > > > > > > > > > //Lagna is for intelligence/ / > > > > > > > > > > > > I am surprised. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sage parasara has described lagna as " thanu " bhava †" meaning the > > > > body > > > > > > and the person as a whole. The first verse of Parasara Hora > > > > Chapter 14 > > > > > > (it may vary in some versions) uses the word as " sapaapo dehapo.. " > > > > and > > > > > > goes on to describe the results if lagna is occupied by malefic > > > > > > planets and benefic planets in the whole chapter. > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly Varamihira also described lagna as thanu in > > > > > > " horaadayastanukuDu Mbasahothabandu " > > > > > > > > > > > > However 4th house is related with education and aquired skills and > > > > > > education. This is well described in Bhaveshaphaladhya (effects of > > > > > > lord of each bhava placed in other bhavas). 4th lord placed in lagna > > > > > > gives education while placed in 7th (astha bhava) also makes him well > > > > > > educated person and also makes him dumb in an assembly (either > > > > implies > > > > > > he will be scared of assembly or not able to shine and express > > > > himself > > > > > > in the midst of a group of persons). Further in the 12th he parasara > > > > > > goes on to describe that it makes in " moodda " foolish implying that > > > > > > even if he is educated it may not benefit him much or that he will > > > > not > > > > > > use it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Several original contemporaries also hold same view. While moon is > > > > > > considered as the sthira karaka for the 4th bhava, mercury is > > > > > > considered as karaka for education †" acquired intelligence and > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > as Pragjna karaka †" wisdom, natural intelligence of the inner self. > > > > > > Being the daithya guru †" diplomacy and a thinking based on > > > > diplomacy > > > > > > and a wider perspective than Venus (daanava guru) who instigates pure > > > > > > materialism based on one-sided outlook (own side). > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz > > > > > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /*om namo bhagavate narasimhaya* / > > > > > > > Dear Members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru is dhi-karaka (intelligence) , not mercury. Budha rules > > > > speech - > > > > > > > vak-karaka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna is for intelligence, fifth is for wisdom (viveka bhava). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > > > > ------------ -- > > > > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa.com>> > > > > > > > rafal@/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vattem krishnan pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Rakesh Ji, > > > > > > > > " Think before you act " is a saying conveyed by wisemen.It is the > > > > > > > > judgement that comes out of intelligence, wisdom and the > > > > nature of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > person that depends on lagna.The saying also conveys a planning > > > > > > > > aspect.More than mercury it is the saturn that passively makes a > > > > > > > > person to think before action as he reviews good and bad providing > > > > > > > > time to think and holding the action. > > > > > > > > Mercury is a mischievous planet and is neutral and dual in > > > > > > > > nature.behaves yet time as a planet ruling the house where it is > > > > > > > > posited.Mercury behaviour can be any thing.Astrologer if he > > > > uses his > > > > > > > > skills (5th house and it's lord) >it's proximity to sun and giving > > > > > > > > nipuna yoga/budha aditya yoga are always depnds extent of > > > > > > conjunctions > > > > > > > > and aspects of benifics. > > > > > > > > vrkrishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 7/11/09, rakeshmohan888 <rakeshmohan888@ ... > > > > > > > > <rakeshmohan 888%40. com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rakeshmohan888 <rakeshmohan888@ ... > > > > > > > > <rakeshmohan 888%40. com>> > > > > > > > > Think before you act... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > > Saturday, July 11, 2009, 10:07 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans, > > > > > > > > I always wonder what's the right way behind the phrase - " Think > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > you act " . Do we have to become astrologers of our own actions? > > > > > > Suppose > > > > > > > > we close our eyes before we act and think; what should we see? the > > > > > > > > action becoming a reality! Mercury the planet of intelligence, how > > > > > > > > does it help us to choose the right way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This question may be so obvious, but wondering there should be > > > > good > > > > > > > > solution that astrologers can provide. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Rakesh Mohan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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