Guest guest Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Amateur or Professional, experienced or inexperienced, at least on Internet and even in pre-internet days there were/are those that go with the natal chart and others who prefer Horary or Prashana Jyotish. I may be wrong but Krishnamurthy Jee was probably the most prominent rejuvenator of Prashna Jyotish and popularised it. Incidentally, by his own admission, he was a saadhak of Uchchishta Ganapati and attributed his uncanny success to blessings from this Form of Ganapati Bappa. I know of a few individuals who utilize Horary techniques predominantly if not exclusively and all of these have one thing common. They are very intuitive, spiritual and in some ways lack the dust and grime that most of us ordinary people (and ants!) seem to have. It is not really all that intriguing! Think about this. A natal horoscopy is more static in a sense. It is based on a fixed point, the moment of birth. We are not even going to get into the accuracy of recording aspects etc. Assuming it to be correct, still it is a fixed point. Yes we factor in dashas and transits but the point where the key enters the lock is fixed, at least for the lifetime! The horary, on the other hand, allows many entry-points as long as the intent is sincere and focused! One epoch per question in mind and asked SINCERELY! Not for idle curiosity or mere testing, although advanced practitioners have figured out ways of 'screening' those frivolous attempts. In some sense, horary demands a more personal engagement on the part of the astrologer too! The system cannot work if only the nativity is sincere but it is mandatory that the astrologer is fully engaged too and I think in the horary setting, the purity of the astrologer and his or her spiritual practices and state are very important, crucial perhaps! The horary captures beautifully the union and participation of two souls fully engaged in the discovery of truth and seeking the most optimum direction from the Divine! DIVINATION at its best, brightest and FULLEST!! RR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Dear Members, Besides successful approach ,horary/prashna chart always helps also to reason out how sincere the native is to resolve his problems.I take advatage yet times of Prashan as a tool to test for accuracy. Problems too encounter when you link for in depth study as some are prone to misunderstand the linking and differ about lagna etc. what ever way we adopt th success rate certainly depends/proportional to effort,sincerity and honesty. we have illustrous persons and excelled by way of writings,authorships,debates and by teaching in jyotish filed. Few persons however made jyotish for livelyhood and recognised it's value for social service.and counselling Astrology being a wholesome aspect,it is not that one can afford to attempt and leave the subject matter.Study of Astrology and it's application by way of analysis has to be practical.More readings of charts will help to have insight and be able to give familiarity.what ever may be study of the jyotish subject is a must to be astrologer. vrkrishnan . --- On Sat, 7/11/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Astrology -- Teray Kitnay Roop...! Saturday, July 11, 2009, 9:29 PM Amateur or Professional, experienced or inexperienced, at least on Internet and even in pre-internet days there were/are those that go with the natal chart and others who prefer Horary or Prashana Jyotish. I may be wrong but Krishnamurthy Jee was probably the most prominent rejuvenator of Prashna Jyotish and popularised it. Incidentally, by his own admission, he was a saadhak of Uchchishta Ganapati and attributed his uncanny success to blessings from this Form of Ganapati Bappa. I know of a few individuals who utilize Horary techniques predominantly if not exclusively and all of these have one thing common. They are very intuitive, spiritual and in some ways lack the dust and grime that most of us ordinary people (and ants!) seem to have. It is not really all that intriguing! Think about this. A natal horoscopy is more static in a sense. It is based on a fixed point, the moment of birth. We are not even going to get into the accuracy of recording aspects etc. Assuming it to be correct, still it is a fixed point. Yes we factor in dashas and transits but the point where the key enters the lock is fixed, at least for the lifetime! The horary, on the other hand, allows many entry-points as long as the intent is sincere and focused! One epoch per question in mind and asked SINCERELY! Not for idle curiosity or mere testing, although advanced practitioners have figured out ways of 'screening' those frivolous attempts. In some sense, horary demands a more personal engagement on the part of the astrologer too! The system cannot work if only the nativity is sincere but it is mandatory that the astrologer is fully engaged too and I think in the horary setting, the purity of the astrologer and his or her spiritual practices and state are very important, crucial perhaps! The horary captures beautifully the union and participation of two souls fully engaged in the discovery of truth and seeking the most optimum direction from the Divine! DIVINATION at its best, brightest and FULLEST!! RR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 I am glad that you concur Dada (I think?), although on Internet Maya it often amounts to Mathaa Peetnaa! Banging one's head on the brick wall and sighing! :-) RR , vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dear Members, > Besides successful approach ,horary/prashna chart always helps also to reason out how sincere the native is to resolve his problems.I take advatage yet times of Prashan as a tool to test for accuracy. > Problems too encounter when you link for in depth study as some are prone to misunderstand the linking and differ about lagna etc. > what ever way we adopt th success rate certainly depends/proportional to effort,sincerity and honesty. > we have illustrous persons and excelled by way of writings,authorships,debates and by teaching in jyotish filed. > Few persons however made jyotish for livelyhood and recognised it's value for social service.and counselling > Astrology being a wholesome aspect,it is not that one can afford to attempt and leave the subject matter.Study of Astrology and it's application by way of analysis has to be practical.More readings of charts will help to have insight and be able to give familiarity.what ever may be study of the jyotish subject is a must to be astrologer. > vrkrishnan . > --- On Sat, 7/11/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > Astrology -- Teray Kitnay Roop...! > > Saturday, July 11, 2009, 9:29 PM > > Amateur or Professional, experienced or inexperienced, at least on Internet and even in pre-internet days there were/are those that go with the natal chart and others who prefer Horary or Prashana Jyotish. I may be wrong but Krishnamurthy Jee was probably the most prominent rejuvenator of Prashna Jyotish and popularised it. Incidentally, by his own admission, he was a saadhak of Uchchishta Ganapati and attributed his uncanny success to blessings from this Form of Ganapati Bappa. > > I know of a few individuals who utilize Horary techniques predominantly if not exclusively and all of these have one thing common. They are very intuitive, spiritual and in some ways lack the dust and grime that most of us ordinary people (and ants!) seem to have. > > It is not really all that intriguing! Think about this. A natal horoscopy is more static in a sense. It is based on a fixed point, the moment of birth. We are not even going to get into the accuracy of recording aspects etc. Assuming it to be correct, still it is a fixed point. Yes we factor in dashas and transits but the point where the key enters the lock is fixed, at least for the lifetime! > > The horary, on the other hand, allows many entry-points as long as the intent is sincere and focused! One epoch per question in mind and asked SINCERELY! Not for idle curiosity or mere testing, although advanced practitioners have figured out ways of 'screening' those frivolous attempts. > > In some sense, horary demands a more personal engagement on the part of the astrologer too! The system cannot work if only the nativity is sincere but it is mandatory that the astrologer is fully engaged too and I think in the horary setting, the purity of the astrologer and his or her spiritual practices and state are very important, crucial perhaps! The horary captures beautifully the union and participation of two souls fully engaged in the discovery of truth and seeking the most optimum direction from the Divine! DIVINATION at its best, brightest and FULLEST!! > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Bricks unless in the past are of fly ash looking to be lighter but causing injuries to Maatha " Astrologers need to keep their heads down to bow to snaimaharaj vrkrishnan --- On Sat, 7/11/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Re: Astrology -- Teray Kitnay Roop...! Saturday, July 11, 2009, 11:17 PM I am glad that you concur Dada (I think?), although on Internet Maya it often amounts to Mathaa Peetnaa! Banging one's head on the brick wall and sighing! :-) RR , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Members, > Besides successful approach ,horary/prashna chart always helps also to reason out how sincere the native is to resolve his problems.I take advatage yet times of Prashan as a tool to test for accuracy. > Problems too encounter when you link for in depth study as some are prone to misunderstand the linking and differ about lagna etc. > what ever way we adopt th success rate certainly depends/proportiona l to effort,sincerity and honesty. > we have illustrous persons and excelled by way of writings,authorship s,debates and by teaching in jyotish filed. > Few persons however made jyotish for livelyhood and recognised it's value for social service.and counselling > Astrology being a wholesome aspect,it is not that one can afford to attempt and leave the subject matter.Study of Astrology and it's application by way of analysis has to be practical.More readings of charts will help to have insight and be able to give familiarity. what ever may be study of the jyotish subject is a must to be astrologer. > vrkrishnan . > --- On Sat, 7/11/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > Astrology -- Teray Kitnay Roop...! > > Saturday, July 11, 2009, 9:29 PM > > Amateur or Professional, experienced or inexperienced, at least on Internet and even in pre-internet days there were/are those that go with the natal chart and others who prefer Horary or Prashana Jyotish. I may be wrong but Krishnamurthy Jee was probably the most prominent rejuvenator of Prashna Jyotish and popularised it. Incidentally, by his own admission, he was a saadhak of Uchchishta Ganapati and attributed his uncanny success to blessings from this Form of Ganapati Bappa. > > I know of a few individuals who utilize Horary techniques predominantly if not exclusively and all of these have one thing common. They are very intuitive, spiritual and in some ways lack the dust and grime that most of us ordinary people (and ants!) seem to have. > > It is not really all that intriguing! Think about this. A natal horoscopy is more static in a sense. It is based on a fixed point, the moment of birth. We are not even going to get into the accuracy of recording aspects etc. Assuming it to be correct, still it is a fixed point. Yes we factor in dashas and transits but the point where the key enters the lock is fixed, at least for the lifetime! > > The horary, on the other hand, allows many entry-points as long as the intent is sincere and focused! One epoch per question in mind and asked SINCERELY! Not for idle curiosity or mere testing, although advanced practitioners have figured out ways of 'screening' those frivolous attempts. > > In some sense, horary demands a more personal engagement on the part of the astrologer too! The system cannot work if only the nativity is sincere but it is mandatory that the astrologer is fully engaged too and I think in the horary setting, the purity of the astrologer and his or her spiritual practices and state are very important, crucial perhaps! The horary captures beautifully the union and participation of two souls fully engaged in the discovery of truth and seeking the most optimum direction from the Divine! DIVINATION at its best, brightest and FULLEST!! > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Of course you are the Dada as publicly acknowledged by me always since we met :-) Maatha or Math or Muth? English is so confusing when describing Sanskrit/Hindi/Bangla terms! Maatha = Head Math = Ganit Muth = Ashrams I will let you figure it out which one I intended when I dared write and squeaked like a mouse here :-) Do ants make a sound? Is there a zoologist in the house? RR , vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Bricks unless in the past are of fly ash looking to be lighter but causing injuries to Maatha " > Astrologers need to keep their heads down to bow to snaimaharaj > vrkrishnan > --- On Sat, 7/11/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > Re: Astrology -- Teray Kitnay Roop...! > > Saturday, July 11, 2009, 11:17 PM > > I am glad that you concur Dada (I think?), although on Internet Maya it often amounts to Mathaa Peetnaa! Banging one's head on the brick wall and sighing! :-) > > RR > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > Besides successful approach ,horary/prashna chart always helps also to reason out how sincere the native is to resolve his problems.I take advatage yet times of Prashan as a tool to test for accuracy. > > Problems too encounter when you link for in depth study as some are prone to misunderstand the linking and differ about lagna etc. > > what ever way we adopt th success rate certainly depends/proportiona l to effort,sincerity and honesty. > > we have illustrous persons and excelled by way of writings,authorship s,debates and by teaching in jyotish filed. > > Few persons however made jyotish for livelyhood and recognised it's value for social service.and counselling > > Astrology being a wholesome aspect,it is not that one can afford to attempt and leave the subject matter.Study of Astrology and it's application by way of analysis has to be practical.More readings of charts will help to have insight and be able to give familiarity. what ever may be study of the jyotish subject is a must to be astrologer. > > vrkrishnan . > > --- On Sat, 7/11/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > Astrology -- Teray Kitnay Roop...! > > > > Saturday, July 11, 2009, 9:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amateur or Professional, experienced or inexperienced, at least on Internet and even in pre-internet days there were/are those that go with the natal chart and others who prefer Horary or Prashana Jyotish. I may be wrong but Krishnamurthy Jee was probably the most prominent rejuvenator of Prashna Jyotish and popularised it. Incidentally, by his own admission, he was a saadhak of Uchchishta Ganapati and attributed his uncanny success to blessings from this Form of Ganapati Bappa. > > > > I know of a few individuals who utilize Horary techniques predominantly if not exclusively and all of these have one thing common. They are very intuitive, spiritual and in some ways lack the dust and grime that most of us ordinary people (and ants!) seem to have. > > > > It is not really all that intriguing! Think about this. A natal horoscopy is more static in a sense. It is based on a fixed point, the moment of birth. We are not even going to get into the accuracy of recording aspects etc. Assuming it to be correct, still it is a fixed point. Yes we factor in dashas and transits but the point where the key enters the lock is fixed, at least for the lifetime! > > > > The horary, on the other hand, allows many entry-points as long as the intent is sincere and focused! One epoch per question in mind and asked SINCERELY! Not for idle curiosity or mere testing, although advanced practitioners have figured out ways of 'screening' those frivolous attempts. > > > > In some sense, horary demands a more personal engagement on the part of the astrologer too! The system cannot work if only the nativity is sincere but it is mandatory that the astrologer is fully engaged too and I think in the horary setting, the purity of the astrologer and his or her spiritual practices and state are very important, crucial perhaps! The horary captures beautifully the union and participation of two souls fully engaged in the discovery of truth and seeking the most optimum direction from the Divine! DIVINATION at its best, brightest and FULLEST!! > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Being oriented to Bangla in my earliers in career,iam really fascinated with this rich language.Could not escape from clutches of Mythili.Bihari/Banrarsi Always I have highest interest in My Dada as his writing be it in EST or else where I love.This regard Continues as long as we continue and share values vrkrishnan --- On Sat, 7/11/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Re: Astrology -- Teray Kitnay Roop...! Saturday, July 11, 2009, 11:44 PM Of course you are the Dada as publicly acknowledged by me always since we met :-) Maatha or Math or Muth? English is so confusing when describing Sanskrit/Hindi/ Bangla terms! Maatha = Head Math = Ganit Muth = Ashrams I will let you figure it out which one I intended when I dared write and squeaked like a mouse here :-) Do ants make a sound? Is there a zoologist in the house? RR , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Bricks unless in the past are of fly ash looking to be lighter but causing injuries to Maatha " > Astrologers need to keep their heads down to bow to snaimaharaj > vrkrishnan > --- On Sat, 7/11/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > Re: Astrology -- Teray Kitnay Roop...! > > Saturday, July 11, 2009, 11:17 PM > > I am glad that you concur Dada (I think?), although on Internet Maya it often amounts to Mathaa Peetnaa! Banging one's head on the brick wall and sighing! :-) > > RR > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > Besides successful approach ,horary/prashna chart always helps also to reason out how sincere the native is to resolve his problems.I take advatage yet times of Prashan as a tool to test for accuracy. > > Problems too encounter when you link for in depth study as some are prone to misunderstand the linking and differ about lagna etc. > > what ever way we adopt th success rate certainly depends/proportiona l to effort,sincerity and honesty. > > we have illustrous persons and excelled by way of writings,authorship s,debates and by teaching in jyotish filed. > > Few persons however made jyotish for livelyhood and recognised it's value for social service.and counselling > > Astrology being a wholesome aspect,it is not that one can afford to attempt and leave the subject matter.Study of Astrology and it's application by way of analysis has to be practical.More readings of charts will help to have insight and be able to give familiarity. what ever may be study of the jyotish subject is a must to be astrologer. > > vrkrishnan . > > --- On Sat, 7/11/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > Astrology -- Teray Kitnay Roop...! > > > > Saturday, July 11, 2009, 9:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amateur or Professional, experienced or inexperienced, at least on Internet and even in pre-internet days there were/are those that go with the natal chart and others who prefer Horary or Prashana Jyotish. I may be wrong but Krishnamurthy Jee was probably the most prominent rejuvenator of Prashna Jyotish and popularised it. Incidentally, by his own admission, he was a saadhak of Uchchishta Ganapati and attributed his uncanny success to blessings from this Form of Ganapati Bappa. > > > > I know of a few individuals who utilize Horary techniques predominantly if not exclusively and all of these have one thing common. They are very intuitive, spiritual and in some ways lack the dust and grime that most of us ordinary people (and ants!) seem to have. > > > > It is not really all that intriguing! Think about this. A natal horoscopy is more static in a sense. It is based on a fixed point, the moment of birth. We are not even going to get into the accuracy of recording aspects etc. Assuming it to be correct, still it is a fixed point. Yes we factor in dashas and transits but the point where the key enters the lock is fixed, at least for the lifetime! > > > > The horary, on the other hand, allows many entry-points as long as the intent is sincere and focused! One epoch per question in mind and asked SINCERELY! Not for idle curiosity or mere testing, although advanced practitioners have figured out ways of 'screening' those frivolous attempts. > > > > In some sense, horary demands a more personal engagement on the part of the astrologer too! The system cannot work if only the nativity is sincere but it is mandatory that the astrologer is fully engaged too and I think in the horary setting, the purity of the astrologer and his or her spiritual practices and state are very important, crucial perhaps! The horary captures beautifully the union and participation of two souls fully engaged in the discovery of truth and seeking the most optimum direction from the Divine! DIVINATION at its best, brightest and FULLEST!! > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Interesting confluence, Dada-bhai! My personal experience has been strangely different, but your ongoing affectionate blessings encourages me to share publicly at the risk of boring others (General Note: Complaint petitions must be sent to Vattam Krishnanjee who started this! Please do not harass Prashant jee or Tanvir jee ;-)) I was raised by an immigrant family in India who originated in East Bengal, worked in what eventually became West Pakistan, and ended up in Central India. Hindi believe it or not has been *my* mother tongue! I was motivated to learn Bengali when I was about 14, a few years after I was drawn to palmistry and astrology. The motivator for learning Bengali was very selfish for this Teenager! My parents never pushed or forced me to learn it, seriously. It was my father's library of leather bound volumes (Dark Maroon works of Saratchandra and Dark Green ones by Bankim Chandra and many many more...) that he quoted from and hinted at but never told me too much about -- he was too busy with important missions! I finally could not resist it and had to go and find out what was in those volumes! He was not messing around with my mind or offering false promises or trying to manipulate or decieve me, please do not misunderstand! But if I never TRIED -- I would never have known, right? It took me -- a serious dyed-in-the-wool Malwi boy heretofore totally disinterested in Bangla -- about three days and nights (I kid you not) to learn bengali script and then it improved from there on! Likewise, learning a language, such as Jyotish (or French!), is easy if you are motivated and have a strong reason for being motivated so! And then you get to read and hear these wonderful accounts of REAL LIFE (Sarat and Bankim and Human Experience as revealed in the Pain, Joy. Loss, Love and GROWTH of Nativities when they realize that you speak their language and lingo, and open up their souls and share!!) Sorry for my bak bak! Senility obviously ...? Rohiniranjan , vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Being oriented to Bangla in my earliers in career,iam really fascinated with this rich language.Could not escape from clutches of Mythili.Bihari/Banrarsi > Always I have highest interest in My Dada as his writing be it in EST or else where I love.This regard Continues as long as we continue and share values > vrkrishnan > --- On Sat, 7/11/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > Re: Astrology -- Teray Kitnay Roop...! > > Saturday, July 11, 2009, 11:44 PM > > Of course you are the Dada as publicly acknowledged by me always since we met :-) > > Maatha or Math or Muth? English is so confusing when describing Sanskrit/Hindi/ Bangla terms! > Maatha = Head > Math = Ganit > Muth = Ashrams > > I will let you figure it out which one I intended when I dared write and squeaked like a mouse here :-) > > Do ants make a sound? Is there a zoologist in the house? > > RR > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Bricks unless in the past are of fly ash looking to be lighter but causing injuries to Maatha " > > Astrologers need to keep their heads down to bow to snaimaharaj > > vrkrishnan > > --- On Sat, 7/11/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > Re: Astrology -- Teray Kitnay Roop...! > > > > Saturday, July 11, 2009, 11:17 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am glad that you concur Dada (I think?), although on Internet Maya it often amounts to Mathaa Peetnaa! Banging one's head on the brick wall and sighing! :-) > > > > RR > > > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > Besides successful approach ,horary/prashna chart always helps also to reason out how sincere the native is to resolve his problems.I take advatage yet times of Prashan as a tool to test for accuracy. > > > Problems too encounter when you link for in depth study as some are prone to misunderstand the linking and differ about lagna etc. > > > what ever way we adopt th success rate certainly depends/proportiona l to effort,sincerity and honesty. > > > we have illustrous persons and excelled by way of writings,authorship s,debates and by teaching in jyotish filed. > > > Few persons however made jyotish for livelyhood and recognised it's value for social service.and counselling > > > Astrology being a wholesome aspect,it is not that one can afford to attempt and leave the subject matter.Study of Astrology and it's application by way of analysis has to be practical.More readings of charts will help to have insight and be able to give familiarity. what ever may be study of the jyotish subject is a must to be astrologer. > > > vrkrishnan . > > > --- On Sat, 7/11/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > Astrology -- Teray Kitnay Roop...! > > > > > > Saturday, July 11, 2009, 9:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amateur or Professional, experienced or inexperienced, at least on Internet and even in pre-internet days there were/are those that go with the natal chart and others who prefer Horary or Prashana Jyotish. I may be wrong but Krishnamurthy Jee was probably the most prominent rejuvenator of Prashna Jyotish and popularised it. Incidentally, by his own admission, he was a saadhak of Uchchishta Ganapati and attributed his uncanny success to blessings from this Form of Ganapati Bappa. > > > > > > I know of a few individuals who utilize Horary techniques predominantly if not exclusively and all of these have one thing common. They are very intuitive, spiritual and in some ways lack the dust and grime that most of us ordinary people (and ants!) seem to have. > > > > > > It is not really all that intriguing! Think about this. A natal horoscopy is more static in a sense. It is based on a fixed point, the moment of birth. We are not even going to get into the accuracy of recording aspects etc. Assuming it to be correct, still it is a fixed point. Yes we factor in dashas and transits but the point where the key enters the lock is fixed, at least for the lifetime! > > > > > > The horary, on the other hand, allows many entry-points as long as the intent is sincere and focused! One epoch per question in mind and asked SINCERELY! Not for idle curiosity or mere testing, although advanced practitioners have figured out ways of 'screening' those frivolous attempts. > > > > > > In some sense, horary demands a more personal engagement on the part of the astrologer too! The system cannot work if only the nativity is sincere but it is mandatory that the astrologer is fully engaged too and I think in the horary setting, the purity of the astrologer and his or her spiritual practices and state are very important, crucial perhaps! The horary captures beautifully the union and participation of two souls fully engaged in the discovery of truth and seeking the most optimum direction from the Divine! DIVINATION at its best, brightest and FULLEST!! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Dear Rohini, You have mentioned two key words " Motivation " directly and implied another " Curiosity " . Many persons also start to learn Astrology first out of Curiosity. Motivation may come later. " Success " also plays its part in motivating to move forward in search of " treasure " and to fly into realms of cosmos. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Interesting confluence, Dada-bhai! > > My personal experience has been strangely different, but your ongoing affectionate blessings encourages me to share publicly at the risk of boring others (General Note: Complaint petitions must be sent to Vattam Krishnanjee who started this! Please do not harass Prashant jee or Tanvir jee ;-)) > > I was raised by an immigrant family in India who originated in East Bengal, worked in what eventually became West Pakistan, and ended up in Central India. Hindi believe it or not has been *my* mother tongue! I was motivated to learn Bengali when I was about 14, a few years after I was drawn to palmistry and astrology. The motivator for learning Bengali was very selfish for this Teenager! My parents never pushed or forced me to learn it, seriously. It was my father's library of leather bound volumes (Dark Maroon works of Saratchandra and Dark Green ones by Bankim Chandra and many many more...) that he quoted from and hinted at but never told me too much about -- he was too busy with important missions! I finally could not resist it and had to go and find out what was in those volumes! He was not messing around with my mind or offering false promises or trying to manipulate or decieve me, please do not misunderstand! But if I never TRIED -- I would never have known, right? > > It took me -- a serious dyed-in-the-wool Malwi boy heretofore totally disinterested in Bangla -- about three days and nights (I kid you not) to learn bengali script and then it improved from there on! Likewise, learning a language, such as Jyotish (or French!), is easy if you are motivated and have a strong reason for being motivated so! And then you get to read and hear these wonderful accounts of REAL LIFE (Sarat and Bankim and Human Experience as revealed in the Pain, Joy. Loss, Love and GROWTH of Nativities when they realize that you speak their language and lingo, and open up their souls and share!!) > > Sorry for my bak bak! Senility obviously ...? > > Rohiniranjan > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > Being oriented to Bangla in my earliers in career,iam really fascinated with this rich language.Could not escape from clutches of Mythili.Bihari/Banrarsi > > Always I have highest interest in My Dada as his writing be it in EST or else where I love.This regard Continues as long as we continue and share values > > vrkrishnan > > --- On Sat, 7/11/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@> > > Re: Astrology -- Teray Kitnay Roop...! > > > > Saturday, July 11, 2009, 11:44 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course you are the Dada as publicly acknowledged by me always since we met :-) > > > > Maatha or Math or Muth? English is so confusing when describing Sanskrit/Hindi/ Bangla terms! > > Maatha = Head > > Math = Ganit > > Muth = Ashrams > > > > I will let you figure it out which one I intended when I dared write and squeaked like a mouse here :-) > > > > Do ants make a sound? Is there a zoologist in the house? > > > > RR > > > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Bricks unless in the past are of fly ash looking to be lighter but causing injuries to Maatha " > > > Astrologers need to keep their heads down to bow to snaimaharaj > > > vrkrishnan > > > --- On Sat, 7/11/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > Re: Astrology -- Teray Kitnay Roop...! > > > > > > Saturday, July 11, 2009, 11:17 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am glad that you concur Dada (I think?), although on Internet Maya it often amounts to Mathaa Peetnaa! Banging one's head on the brick wall and sighing! :-) > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > Besides successful approach ,horary/prashna chart always helps also to reason out how sincere the native is to resolve his problems.I take advatage yet times of Prashan as a tool to test for accuracy. > > > > Problems too encounter when you link for in depth study as some are prone to misunderstand the linking and differ about lagna etc. > > > > what ever way we adopt th success rate certainly depends/proportiona l to effort,sincerity and honesty. > > > > we have illustrous persons and excelled by way of writings,authorship s,debates and by teaching in jyotish filed. > > > > Few persons however made jyotish for livelyhood and recognised it's value for social service.and counselling > > > > Astrology being a wholesome aspect,it is not that one can afford to attempt and leave the subject matter.Study of Astrology and it's application by way of analysis has to be practical.More readings of charts will help to have insight and be able to give familiarity. what ever may be study of the jyotish subject is a must to be astrologer. > > > > vrkrishnan . > > > > --- On Sat, 7/11/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > Astrology -- Teray Kitnay Roop...! > > > > > > > > Saturday, July 11, 2009, 9:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amateur or Professional, experienced or inexperienced, at least on Internet and even in pre-internet days there were/are those that go with the natal chart and others who prefer Horary or Prashana Jyotish. I may be wrong but Krishnamurthy Jee was probably the most prominent rejuvenator of Prashna Jyotish and popularised it. Incidentally, by his own admission, he was a saadhak of Uchchishta Ganapati and attributed his uncanny success to blessings from this Form of Ganapati Bappa. > > > > > > > > I know of a few individuals who utilize Horary techniques predominantly if not exclusively and all of these have one thing common. They are very intuitive, spiritual and in some ways lack the dust and grime that most of us ordinary people (and ants!) seem to have. > > > > > > > > It is not really all that intriguing! Think about this. A natal horoscopy is more static in a sense. It is based on a fixed point, the moment of birth. We are not even going to get into the accuracy of recording aspects etc. Assuming it to be correct, still it is a fixed point. Yes we factor in dashas and transits but the point where the key enters the lock is fixed, at least for the lifetime! > > > > > > > > The horary, on the other hand, allows many entry-points as long as the intent is sincere and focused! One epoch per question in mind and asked SINCERELY! Not for idle curiosity or mere testing, although advanced practitioners have figured out ways of 'screening' those frivolous attempts. > > > > > > > > In some sense, horary demands a more personal engagement on the part of the astrologer too! The system cannot work if only the nativity is sincere but it is mandatory that the astrologer is fully engaged too and I think in the horary setting, the purity of the astrologer and his or her spiritual practices and state are very important, crucial perhaps! The horary captures beautifully the union and participation of two souls fully engaged in the discovery of truth and seeking the most optimum direction from the Divine! DIVINATION at its best, brightest and FULLEST!! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Aadarneeya Shenoy ji, I held back the third pod of the tripod (The two feet already described being: Curiosity and Motivation) which is neither success nor treasure. It is " innocence " ! :-) I recommend that third foot that stabilizes perception and understanding to all Jyotishis and Jyotishi-wannabees! If H1 is curiosity (the infant arriving in this reality at birth epoch), never alone but paired by the house opposite for whatever it brindicates, H9 is motivation because that is what bhagyaa is supposed to be to set us up and its complement = third house of intelligent and meaningful EFFORT! The innocence in my simple scheme comes from the fifth house of course! the natural missing element of the tripod that I have written about many times and in many a ways! For those who have had the privilege of being parents, the message would not be lost for the first time any of us ordinary householders rediscover innocence is at the moment of birth of our first-born! From that innocent and gifted moment begins our journey to build our future as a soul! Interestingly, that moment of realization brings into focus for MOST if not ALL the other two pods: curiosity and motivation! Only this time as an observer and dare I say -- a creator? Rohini , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Dear Rohini, > > You have mentioned two key words " Motivation " directly and implied another " Curiosity " . > > Many persons also start to learn Astrology first out of Curiosity. Motivation may come later. " Success " also plays its part in motivating to move forward in search of " treasure " and to fly into realms of cosmos. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Dear Rohiniji, Funny, You mention it (innocence), I continued writing on the need to go back to the roots at that point and ...... but suddenly realised that you have something up your sleeve AND it better you reveal it yourself. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Aadarneeya Shenoy ji, > > I held back the third pod of the tripod (The two feet already described being: Curiosity and Motivation) which is neither success nor treasure. > > It is " innocence " ! :-) > > I recommend that third foot that stabilizes perception and understanding to all Jyotishis and Jyotishi-wannabees! > > If H1 is curiosity (the infant arriving in this reality at birth epoch), never alone but paired by the house opposite for whatever it brindicates, H9 is motivation because that is what bhagyaa is supposed to be to set us up and its complement = third house of intelligent and meaningful EFFORT! > > The innocence in my simple scheme comes from the fifth house of course! the natural missing element of the tripod that I have written about many times and in many a ways! For those who have had the privilege of being parents, the message would not be lost for the first time any of us ordinary householders rediscover innocence is at the moment of birth of our first-born! > > From that innocent and gifted moment begins our journey to build our future as a soul! > > Interestingly, that moment of realization brings into focus for MOST if not ALL the other two pods: curiosity and motivation! Only this time as an observer and dare I say -- a creator? > > Rohini > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@> wrote: > > > > Dear Rohini, > > > > You have mentioned two key words " Motivation " directly and implied another " Curiosity " . > > > > Many persons also start to learn Astrology first out of Curiosity. Motivation may come later. " Success " also plays its part in motivating to move forward in search of " treasure " and to fly into realms of cosmos. > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 For what it is worth, Aaadarneeya Shenoy-jee when I wrote that, it was a very hot day here and I was not even wearing a shirt! So, no sleeves jee!! Being environmentally conscious here, some of us do not use air-conditioning particularly when we are at home! I hope I am not being too graphic and direct on this forum? RR , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Dear Rohiniji, > > Funny, You mention it (innocence), I continued writing on the need to go back to the roots at that point and ...... but suddenly realised that you have something up your sleeve AND it better you reveal it yourself. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > Aadarneeya Shenoy ji, > > > > I held back the third pod of the tripod (The two feet already described being: Curiosity and Motivation) which is neither success nor treasure. > > > > It is " innocence " ! :-) > > > > I recommend that third foot that stabilizes perception and understanding to all Jyotishis and Jyotishi-wannabees! > > > > If H1 is curiosity (the infant arriving in this reality at birth epoch), never alone but paired by the house opposite for whatever it brindicates, H9 is motivation because that is what bhagyaa is supposed to be to set us up and its complement = third house of intelligent and meaningful EFFORT! > > > > The innocence in my simple scheme comes from the fifth house of course! the natural missing element of the tripod that I have written about many times and in many a ways! For those who have had the privilege of being parents, the message would not be lost for the first time any of us ordinary householders rediscover innocence is at the moment of birth of our first-born! > > > > From that innocent and gifted moment begins our journey to build our future as a soul! > > > > Interestingly, that moment of realization brings into focus for MOST if not ALL the other two pods: curiosity and motivation! Only this time as an observer and dare I say -- a creator? > > > > Rohini > > > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rohini, > > > > > > You have mentioned two key words " Motivation " directly and implied another " Curiosity " . > > > > > > Many persons also start to learn Astrology first out of Curiosity. Motivation may come later. " Success " also plays its part in motivating to move forward in search of " treasure " and to fly into realms of cosmos. > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Dear Rohini ji, Oh! its worth a LOT. //it was a very hot day here and I was not even wearing a shirt!// So you were in your innocent self - or rather should I say was forced on! rediscover perhaps circumstances that forces many to take a U-Turn looking back one finds that, it is sometimes those reasons were actually helping him on to a new path - the one you have been cursing all along! Yes, you are right - it the innocence that makes it possible to understand atleat a bit of the real. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > For what it is worth, Aaadarneeya Shenoy-jee when I wrote that, it was a very hot day here and I was not even wearing a shirt! So, no sleeves jee!! > > Being environmentally conscious here, some of us do not use air-conditioning particularly when we are at home! I hope I am not being too graphic and direct on this forum? > > RR > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@> wrote: > > > > Dear Rohiniji, > > > > Funny, You mention it (innocence), I continued writing on the need to go back to the roots at that point and ...... but suddenly realised that you have something up your sleeve AND it better you reveal it yourself. > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > Aadarneeya Shenoy ji, > > > > > > I held back the third pod of the tripod (The two feet already described being: Curiosity and Motivation) which is neither success nor treasure. > > > > > > It is " innocence " ! :-) > > > > > > I recommend that third foot that stabilizes perception and understanding to all Jyotishis and Jyotishi-wannabees! > > > > > > If H1 is curiosity (the infant arriving in this reality at birth epoch), never alone but paired by the house opposite for whatever it brindicates, H9 is motivation because that is what bhagyaa is supposed to be to set us up and its complement = third house of intelligent and meaningful EFFORT! > > > > > > The innocence in my simple scheme comes from the fifth house of course! the natural missing element of the tripod that I have written about many times and in many a ways! For those who have had the privilege of being parents, the message would not be lost for the first time any of us ordinary householders rediscover innocence is at the moment of birth of our first-born! > > > > > > From that innocent and gifted moment begins our journey to build our future as a soul! > > > > > > Interestingly, that moment of realization brings into focus for MOST if not ALL the other two pods: curiosity and motivation! Only this time as an observer and dare I say -- a creator? > > > > > > Rohini > > > > > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini, > > > > > > > > You have mentioned two key words " Motivation " directly and implied another " Curiosity " . > > > > > > > > Many persons also start to learn Astrology first out of Curiosity. Motivation may come later. " Success " also plays its part in motivating to move forward in search of " treasure " and to fly into realms of cosmos. > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 I am glad and relieved that you agree, Shenoy ji! I have always come forth gushingly and was never forced! I just hope and pray that you read all that you posted and shared, come tomorrow or perhaps whenever you find the time and smile at what you expressed today! No need to respond, of course! Rohiniranjan , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Dear Rohini ji, > > Oh! its worth a LOT. > > //it was a very hot day here and I was not even wearing a shirt!// > > So you were in your innocent self - or rather should I say was forced on! rediscover perhaps > > circumstances that forces many to take a U-Turn > > looking back one finds that, it is sometimes those reasons were actually helping him on to a new path - the one you have been cursing all along! > > Yes, you are right - it the innocence that makes it possible to understand atleat a bit of the real. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > For what it is worth, Aaadarneeya Shenoy-jee when I wrote that, it was a very hot day here and I was not even wearing a shirt! So, no sleeves jee!! > > > > Being environmentally conscious here, some of us do not use air-conditioning particularly when we are at home! I hope I am not being too graphic and direct on this forum? > > > > RR > > > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rohiniji, > > > > > > Funny, You mention it (innocence), I continued writing on the need to go back to the roots at that point and ...... but suddenly realised that you have something up your sleeve AND it better you reveal it yourself. > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Aadarneeya Shenoy ji, > > > > > > > > I held back the third pod of the tripod (The two feet already described being: Curiosity and Motivation) which is neither success nor treasure. > > > > > > > > It is " innocence " ! :-) > > > > > > > > I recommend that third foot that stabilizes perception and understanding to all Jyotishis and Jyotishi-wannabees! > > > > > > > > If H1 is curiosity (the infant arriving in this reality at birth epoch), never alone but paired by the house opposite for whatever it brindicates, H9 is motivation because that is what bhagyaa is supposed to be to set us up and its complement = third house of intelligent and meaningful EFFORT! > > > > > > > > The innocence in my simple scheme comes from the fifth house of course! the natural missing element of the tripod that I have written about many times and in many a ways! For those who have had the privilege of being parents, the message would not be lost for the first time any of us ordinary householders rediscover innocence is at the moment of birth of our first-born! > > > > > > > > From that innocent and gifted moment begins our journey to build our future as a soul! > > > > > > > > Interestingly, that moment of realization brings into focus for MOST if not ALL the other two pods: curiosity and motivation! Only this time as an observer and dare I say -- a creator? > > > > > > > > Rohini > > > > > > > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini, > > > > > > > > > > You have mentioned two key words " Motivation " directly and implied another " Curiosity " . > > > > > > > > > > Many persons also start to learn Astrology first out of Curiosity. Motivation may come later. " Success " also plays its part in motivating to move forward in search of " treasure " and to fly into realms of cosmos. > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Dear Rohini ji, I am not sure this fits the bill, Long time back when I was young, I was sitting practically alone on the railway platform at Kesinga, Kolahandi District, Orrisa. You must be aware that this district is known for maximum deaths due to hunger and sunstrokes. Suddenly I saw a commotion and was taken back at the site. A few hungry dogs and a begger were fighting each other for the thrown away morsel of food. At that movement it looked like there was no difference between than human being and those dogs. There was not much I could do - stunned, young But I realised one thing - It is we human beings that always think of differences. On the otherside as far as nature is considered there is no difference at all. Every living being is alike for her. No species is more superior than others. " Sahasra Seershaa PurushaH Sahasraksh sahasrapaad... " A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > I am glad and relieved that you agree, Shenoy ji! > > I have always come forth gushingly and was never forced! > > I just hope and pray that you read all that you posted and shared, come tomorrow or perhaps whenever you find the time and smile at what you expressed today! > > No need to respond, of course! > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@> wrote: > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > Oh! its worth a LOT. > > > > //it was a very hot day here and I was not even wearing a shirt!// > > > > So you were in your innocent self - or rather should I say was forced on! rediscover perhaps > > > > circumstances that forces many to take a U-Turn > > > > looking back one finds that, it is sometimes those reasons were actually helping him on to a new path - the one you have been cursing all along! > > > > Yes, you are right - it the innocence that makes it possible to understand atleat a bit of the real. > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > For what it is worth, Aaadarneeya Shenoy-jee when I wrote that, it was a very hot day here and I was not even wearing a shirt! So, no sleeves jee!! > > > > > > Being environmentally conscious here, some of us do not use air-conditioning particularly when we are at home! I hope I am not being too graphic and direct on this forum? > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rohiniji, > > > > > > > > Funny, You mention it (innocence), I continued writing on the need to go back to the roots at that point and ...... but suddenly realised that you have something up your sleeve AND it better you reveal it yourself. > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Aadarneeya Shenoy ji, > > > > > > > > > > I held back the third pod of the tripod (The two feet already described being: Curiosity and Motivation) which is neither success nor treasure. > > > > > > > > > > It is " innocence " ! :-) > > > > > > > > > > I recommend that third foot that stabilizes perception and understanding to all Jyotishis and Jyotishi-wannabees! > > > > > > > > > > If H1 is curiosity (the infant arriving in this reality at birth epoch), never alone but paired by the house opposite for whatever it brindicates, H9 is motivation because that is what bhagyaa is supposed to be to set us up and its complement = third house of intelligent and meaningful EFFORT! > > > > > > > > > > The innocence in my simple scheme comes from the fifth house of course! the natural missing element of the tripod that I have written about many times and in many a ways! For those who have had the privilege of being parents, the message would not be lost for the first time any of us ordinary householders rediscover innocence is at the moment of birth of our first-born! > > > > > > > > > > From that innocent and gifted moment begins our journey to build our future as a soul! > > > > > > > > > > Interestingly, that moment of realization brings into focus for MOST if not ALL the other two pods: curiosity and motivation! Only this time as an observer and dare I say -- a creator? > > > > > > > > > > Rohini > > > > > > > > > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini, > > > > > > > > > > > > You have mentioned two key words " Motivation " directly and implied another " Curiosity " . > > > > > > > > > > > > Many persons also start to learn Astrology first out of Curiosity. Motivation may come later. " Success " also plays its part in motivating to move forward in search of " treasure " and to fly into realms of cosmos. > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 " No species is more superior than others. " Yes, but only the Human Specie is able to say so, and realize Him. ________________________________ sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag Sunday, July 12, 2009 5:25:47 PM Re: Astrology -- Teray Kitnay Roop...! Dear Rohini ji, I am not sure this fits the bill, Long time back when I was young, I was sitting practically alone on the railway platform at Kesinga, Kolahandi District, Orrisa. You must be aware that this district is known for maximum deaths due to hunger and sunstrokes. Suddenly I saw a commotion and was taken back at the site. A few hungry dogs and a begger were fighting each other for the thrown away morsel of food. At that movement it looked like there was no difference between than human being and those dogs. There was not much I could do - stunned, young But I realised one thing - It is we human beings that always think of differences. On the otherside as far as nature is considered there is no difference at all. Every living being is alike for her. No species is more superior than others. " Sahasra Seershaa PurushaH Sahasraksh sahasrapaad. .. " A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > I am glad and relieved that you agree, Shenoy ji! > > I have always come forth gushingly and was never forced! > > I just hope and pray that you read all that you posted and shared, come tomorrow or perhaps whenever you find the time and smile at what you expressed today! > > No need to respond, of course! > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > Oh! its worth a LOT. > > > > //it was a very hot day here and I was not even wearing a shirt!// > > > > So you were in your innocent self - or rather should I say was forced on! rediscover perhaps > > > > circumstances that forces many to take a U-Turn > > > > looking back one finds that, it is sometimes those reasons were actually helping him on to a new path - the one you have been cursing all along! > > > > Yes, you are right - it the innocence that makes it possible to understand atleat a bit of the real. > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > For what it is worth, Aaadarneeya Shenoy-jee when I wrote that, it was a very hot day here and I was not even wearing a shirt! So, no sleeves jee!! > > > > > > Being environmentally conscious here, some of us do not use air-conditioning particularly when we are at home! I hope I am not being too graphic and direct on this forum? > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rohiniji, > > > > > > > > Funny, You mention it (innocence), I continued writing on the need to go back to the roots at that point and ...... but suddenly realised that you have something up your sleeve AND it better you reveal it yourself. > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Aadarneeya Shenoy ji, > > > > > > > > > > I held back the third pod of the tripod (The two feet already described being: Curiosity and Motivation) which is neither success nor treasure. > > > > > > > > > > It is " innocence " ! :-) > > > > > > > > > > I recommend that third foot that stabilizes perception and understanding to all Jyotishis and Jyotishi-wannabees! > > > > > > > > > > If H1 is curiosity (the infant arriving in this reality at birth epoch), never alone but paired by the house opposite for whatever it brindicates, H9 is motivation because that is what bhagyaa is supposed to be to set us up and its complement = third house of intelligent and meaningful EFFORT! > > > > > > > > > > The innocence in my simple scheme comes from the fifth house of course! the natural missing element of the tripod that I have written about many times and in many a ways! For those who have had the privilege of being parents, the message would not be lost for the first time any of us ordinary householders rediscover innocence is at the moment of birth of our first-born! > > > > > > > > > > From that innocent and gifted moment begins our journey to build our future as a soul! > > > > > > > > > > Interestingly, that moment of realization brings into focus for MOST if not ALL the other two pods: curiosity and motivation! Only this time as an observer and dare I say -- a creator? > > > > > > > > > > Rohini > > > > > > > > > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini, > > > > > > > > > > > > You have mentioned two key words " Motivation " directly and implied another " Curiosity " . > > > > > > > > > > > > Many persons also start to learn Astrology first out of Curiosity. Motivation may come later. " Success " also plays its part in motivating to move forward in search of " treasure " and to fly into realms of cosmos. > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 I read a book by a Indo-canadian scientist, Dr. Shiv Chopra this weekend. The title is, " Corrupt to the Core " and it describes his personal experiences as a first person account of a whistle blower in a Drugs approval bureaucracy! He had an interesting statement about a scientist/bureaucrat turned Saadhu/hermit in there: the cost (not value!) of different species were being compared therein. Based on what is known as Food-chain amplification! We humans have always been I-Centric! For instance Astrology! It is meaningful only for those who live on earth! Is it not? Geocentric/Geotopical ragdaa Jhagdaa aside! RR , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > " No species is more superior than others. " > > Yes, but only the Human Specie is able to say so, and realize Him. > > > > > ________________________________ > sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag > > Sunday, July 12, 2009 5:25:47 PM > Re: Astrology -- Teray Kitnay Roop...! > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > I am not sure this fits the bill, > > Long time back when I was young, I was sitting practically alone on the railway platform at Kesinga, Kolahandi District, Orrisa. You must be aware that this district is known for maximum deaths due to hunger and sunstrokes. > > Suddenly I saw a commotion and was taken back at the site. A few hungry dogs and a begger were fighting each other for the thrown away morsel of food. At that movement it looked like there was no difference between than human being and those dogs. There was not much I could do - stunned, young > > But I realised one thing - It is we human beings that always think of differences. On the otherside as far as nature is considered there is no difference at all. Every living being is alike for her. No species is more superior than others. > > " Sahasra Seershaa PurushaH Sahasraksh sahasrapaad. .. " > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > > > I am glad and relieved that you agree, Shenoy ji! > > > > I have always come forth gushingly and was never forced! > > > > I just hope and pray that you read all that you posted and shared, come tomorrow or perhaps whenever you find the time and smile at what you expressed today! > > > > No need to respond, of course! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > > > Oh! its worth a LOT. > > > > > > //it was a very hot day here and I was not even wearing a shirt!// > > > > > > So you were in your innocent self - or rather should I say was forced on! rediscover perhaps > > > > > > circumstances that forces many to take a U-Turn > > > > > > looking back one finds that, it is sometimes those reasons were actually helping him on to a new path - the one you have been cursing all along! > > > > > > Yes, you are right - it the innocence that makes it possible to understand atleat a bit of the real. > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > For what it is worth, Aaadarneeya Shenoy-jee when I wrote that, it was a very hot day here and I was not even wearing a shirt! So, no sleeves jee!! > > > > > > > > Being environmentally conscious here, some of us do not use air-conditioning particularly when we are at home! I hope I am not being too graphic and direct on this forum? > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohiniji, > > > > > > > > > > Funny, You mention it (innocence), I continued writing on the need to go back to the roots at that point and ...... but suddenly realised that you have something up your sleeve AND it better you reveal it yourself. > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Aadarneeya Shenoy ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I held back the third pod of the tripod (The two feet already described being: Curiosity and Motivation) which is neither success nor treasure. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is " innocence " ! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > I recommend that third foot that stabilizes perception and understanding to all Jyotishis and Jyotishi-wannabees! > > > > > > > > > > > > If H1 is curiosity (the infant arriving in this reality at birth epoch), never alone but paired by the house opposite for whatever it brindicates, H9 is motivation because that is what bhagyaa is supposed to be to set us up and its complement = third house of intelligent and meaningful EFFORT! > > > > > > > > > > > > The innocence in my simple scheme comes from the fifth house of course! the natural missing element of the tripod that I have written about many times and in many a ways! For those who have had the privilege of being parents, the message would not be lost for the first time any of us ordinary householders rediscover innocence is at the moment of birth of our first-born! > > > > > > > > > > > > From that innocent and gifted moment begins our journey to build our future as a soul! > > > > > > > > > > > > Interestingly, that moment of realization brings into focus for MOST if not ALL the other two pods: curiosity and motivation! Only this time as an observer and dare I say -- a creator? > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have mentioned two key words " Motivation " directly and implied another " Curiosity " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many persons also start to learn Astrology first out of Curiosity. Motivation may come later. " Success " also plays its part in motivating to move forward in search of " treasure " and to fly into realms of cosmos. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 > Yes, but only the Human Specie is able to say so In the language they created and understand again superiority >, and realize Him. How do humans species KNOW for sure? I remotely remember a bull reciting vedas mentioned somewere in puranas. , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > " No species is more superior than others. " > > Yes, but only the Human Specie is able to say so, and realize Him. > > > > > ________________________________ > sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag > > Sunday, July 12, 2009 5:25:47 PM > Re: Astrology -- Teray Kitnay Roop...! > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > I am not sure this fits the bill, > > Long time back when I was young, I was sitting practically alone on the railway platform at Kesinga, Kolahandi District, Orrisa. You must be aware that this district is known for maximum deaths due to hunger and sunstrokes. > > Suddenly I saw a commotion and was taken back at the site. A few hungry dogs and a begger were fighting each other for the thrown away morsel of food. At that movement it looked like there was no difference between than human being and those dogs. There was not much I could do - stunned, young > > But I realised one thing - It is we human beings that always think of differences. On the otherside as far as nature is considered there is no difference at all. Every living being is alike for her. No species is more superior than others. > > " Sahasra Seershaa PurushaH Sahasraksh sahasrapaad. .. " > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > > > I am glad and relieved that you agree, Shenoy ji! > > > > I have always come forth gushingly and was never forced! > > > > I just hope and pray that you read all that you posted and shared, come tomorrow or perhaps whenever you find the time and smile at what you expressed today! > > > > No need to respond, of course! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > > > Oh! its worth a LOT. > > > > > > //it was a very hot day here and I was not even wearing a shirt!// > > > > > > So you were in your innocent self - or rather should I say was forced on! rediscover perhaps > > > > > > circumstances that forces many to take a U-Turn > > > > > > looking back one finds that, it is sometimes those reasons were actually helping him on to a new path - the one you have been cursing all along! > > > > > > Yes, you are right - it the innocence that makes it possible to understand atleat a bit of the real. > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > For what it is worth, Aaadarneeya Shenoy-jee when I wrote that, it was a very hot day here and I was not even wearing a shirt! So, no sleeves jee!! > > > > > > > > Being environmentally conscious here, some of us do not use air-conditioning particularly when we are at home! I hope I am not being too graphic and direct on this forum? > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohiniji, > > > > > > > > > > Funny, You mention it (innocence), I continued writing on the need to go back to the roots at that point and ...... but suddenly realised that you have something up your sleeve AND it better you reveal it yourself. > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Aadarneeya Shenoy ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I held back the third pod of the tripod (The two feet already described being: Curiosity and Motivation) which is neither success nor treasure. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is " innocence " ! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > I recommend that third foot that stabilizes perception and understanding to all Jyotishis and Jyotishi-wannabees! > > > > > > > > > > > > If H1 is curiosity (the infant arriving in this reality at birth epoch), never alone but paired by the house opposite for whatever it brindicates, H9 is motivation because that is what bhagyaa is supposed to be to set us up and its complement = third house of intelligent and meaningful EFFORT! > > > > > > > > > > > > The innocence in my simple scheme comes from the fifth house of course! the natural missing element of the tripod that I have written about many times and in many a ways! For those who have had the privilege of being parents, the message would not be lost for the first time any of us ordinary householders rediscover innocence is at the moment of birth of our first-born! > > > > > > > > > > > > From that innocent and gifted moment begins our journey to build our future as a soul! > > > > > > > > > > > > Interestingly, that moment of realization brings into focus for MOST if not ALL the other two pods: curiosity and motivation! Only this time as an observer and dare I say -- a creator? > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have mentioned two key words " Motivation " directly and implied another " Curiosity " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many persons also start to learn Astrology first out of Curiosity. Motivation may come later. " Success " also plays its part in motivating to move forward in search of " treasure " and to fly into realms of cosmos. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Da Da Da ! (As Lord Brahmaa said in Brihadaaranyaka, quoted in The Waste Land), Unfortunely, there is only one poor Earth in the entire Cosmos, although there are so many planets, stars and galaxies !! This Mother Earth gives birth to and nurtutes a poor thing not found elsewhere : Life. There is an ocean of difference between I-centric and ego-centric. -vj ======================= == ________________________________ Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Monday, July 13, 2009 9:38:32 AM Re: Astrology -- Teray Kitnay Roop...! I read a book by a Indo-canadian scientist, Dr. Shiv Chopra this weekend. The title is, " Corrupt to the Core " and it describes his personal experiences as a first person account of a whistle blower in a Drugs approval bureaucracy! He had an interesting statement about a scientist/bureaucra t turned Saadhu/hermit in there: the cost (not value!) of different species were being compared therein. Based on what is known as Food-chain amplification! We humans have always been I-Centric! For instance Astrology! It is meaningful only for those who live on earth! Is it not? Geocentric/Geotopic al ragdaa Jhagdaa aside! RR , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > " No species is more superior than others. " > > Yes, but only the Human Specie is able to say so, and realize Him. > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@ ...> > > Sunday, July 12, 2009 5:25:47 PM > Re: Astrology -- Teray Kitnay Roop...! > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > I am not sure this fits the bill, > > Long time back when I was young, I was sitting practically alone on the railway platform at Kesinga, Kolahandi District, Orrisa. You must be aware that this district is known for maximum deaths due to hunger and sunstrokes. > > Suddenly I saw a commotion and was taken back at the site. A few hungry dogs and a begger were fighting each other for the thrown away morsel of food. At that movement it looked like there was no difference between than human being and those dogs. There was not much I could do - stunned, young > > But I realised one thing - It is we human beings that always think of differences. On the otherside as far as nature is considered there is no difference at all. Every living being is alike for her. No species is more superior than others. > > " Sahasra Seershaa PurushaH Sahasraksh sahasrapaad. .. " > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > > > I am glad and relieved that you agree, Shenoy ji! > > > > I have always come forth gushingly and was never forced! > > > > I just hope and pray that you read all that you posted and shared, come tomorrow or perhaps whenever you find the time and smile at what you expressed today! > > > > No need to respond, of course! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > > > Oh! its worth a LOT. > > > > > > //it was a very hot day here and I was not even wearing a shirt!// > > > > > > So you were in your innocent self - or rather should I say was forced on! rediscover perhaps > > > > > > circumstances that forces many to take a U-Turn > > > > > > looking back one finds that, it is sometimes those reasons were actually helping him on to a new path - the one you have been cursing all along! > > > > > > Yes, you are right - it the innocence that makes it possible to understand atleat a bit of the real. > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > For what it is worth, Aaadarneeya Shenoy-jee when I wrote that, it was a very hot day here and I was not even wearing a shirt! So, no sleeves jee!! > > > > > > > > Being environmentally conscious here, some of us do not use air-conditioning particularly when we are at home! I hope I am not being too graphic and direct on this forum? > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohiniji, > > > > > > > > > > Funny, You mention it (innocence), I continued writing on the need to go back to the roots at that point and ...... but suddenly realised that you have something up your sleeve AND it better you reveal it yourself. > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Aadarneeya Shenoy ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I held back the third pod of the tripod (The two feet already described being: Curiosity and Motivation) which is neither success nor treasure. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is " innocence " ! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > I recommend that third foot that stabilizes perception and understanding to all Jyotishis and Jyotishi-wannabees! > > > > > > > > > > > > If H1 is curiosity (the infant arriving in this reality at birth epoch), never alone but paired by the house opposite for whatever it brindicates, H9 is motivation because that is what bhagyaa is supposed to be to set us up and its complement = third house of intelligent and meaningful EFFORT! > > > > > > > > > > > > The innocence in my simple scheme comes from the fifth house of course! the natural missing element of the tripod that I have written about many times and in many a ways! For those who have had the privilege of being parents, the message would not be lost for the first time any of us ordinary householders rediscover innocence is at the moment of birth of our first-born! > > > > > > > > > > > > From that innocent and gifted moment begins our journey to build our future as a soul! > > > > > > > > > > > > Interestingly, that moment of realization brings into focus for MOST if not ALL the other two pods: curiosity and motivation! Only this time as an observer and dare I say -- a creator? > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have mentioned two key words " Motivation " directly and implied another " Curiosity " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many persons also start to learn Astrology first out of Curiosity. Motivation may come later. " Success " also plays its part in motivating to move forward in search of " treasure " and to fly into realms of cosmos. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Shenoy Ji, I also believed in the modern myth of language being an invention of humans, before I devoted 12 years to comparative linguistics of Indo European family with special reference to Rgveda. Primitives cannot invent such a scientific language, in which important terma like Bhraatra does not mean brother or Agni does not mean physical fire etymologically, which proves that when language was being formed human relations like brother did not exist and physical fire was non-existent. Just two examples. Europeanists made a deliberate mess of linguistics. Man did not invent language. It was Devabhaashaa language which turned bipod animal into Man. All modern languages are apabhramshas of kaliyugi men. -VJ =================== == ________________________________ sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag Monday, July 13, 2009 9:46:02 AM Re: Astrology -- Teray Kitnay Roop...! > Yes, but only the Human Specie is able to say so In the language they created and understand again superiority >, and realize Him. How do humans species KNOW for sure? I remotely remember a bull reciting vedas mentioned somewere in puranas. , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > " No species is more superior than others. " > > Yes, but only the Human Specie is able to say so, and realize Him. > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@ ...> > > Sunday, July 12, 2009 5:25:47 PM > Re: Astrology -- Teray Kitnay Roop...! > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > I am not sure this fits the bill, > > Long time back when I was young, I was sitting practically alone on the railway platform at Kesinga, Kolahandi District, Orrisa. You must be aware that this district is known for maximum deaths due to hunger and sunstrokes. > > Suddenly I saw a commotion and was taken back at the site. A few hungry dogs and a begger were fighting each other for the thrown away morsel of food. At that movement it looked like there was no difference between than human being and those dogs. There was not much I could do - stunned, young > > But I realised one thing - It is we human beings that always think of differences. On the otherside as far as nature is considered there is no difference at all. Every living being is alike for her. No species is more superior than others. > > " Sahasra Seershaa PurushaH Sahasraksh sahasrapaad. .. " > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@ ...> wrote: > > > > I am glad and relieved that you agree, Shenoy ji! > > > > I have always come forth gushingly and was never forced! > > > > I just hope and pray that you read all that you posted and shared, come tomorrow or perhaps whenever you find the time and smile at what you expressed today! > > > > No need to respond, of course! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > > > Oh! its worth a LOT. > > > > > > //it was a very hot day here and I was not even wearing a shirt!// > > > > > > So you were in your innocent self - or rather should I say was forced on! rediscover perhaps > > > > > > circumstances that forces many to take a U-Turn > > > > > > looking back one finds that, it is sometimes those reasons were actually helping him on to a new path - the one you have been cursing all along! > > > > > > Yes, you are right - it the innocence that makes it possible to understand atleat a bit of the real. > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > For what it is worth, Aaadarneeya Shenoy-jee when I wrote that, it was a very hot day here and I was not even wearing a shirt! So, no sleeves jee!! > > > > > > > > Being environmentally conscious here, some of us do not use air-conditioning particularly when we are at home! I hope I am not being too graphic and direct on this forum? > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohiniji, > > > > > > > > > > Funny, You mention it (innocence), I continued writing on the need to go back to the roots at that point and ...... but suddenly realised that you have something up your sleeve AND it better you reveal it yourself. > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Aadarneeya Shenoy ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I held back the third pod of the tripod (The two feet already described being: Curiosity and Motivation) which is neither success nor treasure. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is " innocence " ! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > I recommend that third foot that stabilizes perception and understanding to all Jyotishis and Jyotishi-wannabees! > > > > > > > > > > > > If H1 is curiosity (the infant arriving in this reality at birth epoch), never alone but paired by the house opposite for whatever it brindicates, H9 is motivation because that is what bhagyaa is supposed to be to set us up and its complement = third house of intelligent and meaningful EFFORT! > > > > > > > > > > > > The innocence in my simple scheme comes from the fifth house of course! the natural missing element of the tripod that I have written about many times and in many a ways! For those who have had the privilege of being parents, the message would not be lost for the first time any of us ordinary householders rediscover innocence is at the moment of birth of our first-born! > > > > > > > > > > > > From that innocent and gifted moment begins our journey to build our future as a soul! > > > > > > > > > > > > Interestingly, that moment of realization brings into focus for MOST if not ALL the other two pods: curiosity and motivation! Only this time as an observer and dare I say -- a creator? > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have mentioned two key words " Motivation " directly and implied another " Curiosity " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many persons also start to learn Astrology first out of Curiosity. Motivation may come later. " Success " also plays its part in motivating to move forward in search of " treasure " and to fly into realms of cosmos. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 They created, Shenoy ji? :-) How old was the very first ever human being that 'spoke'? I never ran into a bull who spoke that way but I have seen a few " parrots " doing exactly that in my short lifetime ;-) And when the doting crowds departed (I was in stealth mode, still listening...) the gyani parrot danced a jig and said, " Kachar koti - doodh roti, Miththuu maangay mirchi! " Ah these hardwired genetic blue-prints...! RR , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > > > Yes, but only the Human Specie is able to say so > > In the language they created and understand > again superiority > > >, and realize Him. > > How do humans species KNOW for sure? > > I remotely remember a bull reciting vedas mentioned somewere in puranas. > > > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > " No species is more superior than others. " > > > > Yes, but only the Human Specie is able to say so, and realize Him. > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@> > > > > Sunday, July 12, 2009 5:25:47 PM > > Re: Astrology -- Teray Kitnay Roop...! > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > I am not sure this fits the bill, > > > > Long time back when I was young, I was sitting practically alone on the railway platform at Kesinga, Kolahandi District, Orrisa. You must be aware that this district is known for maximum deaths due to hunger and sunstrokes. > > > > Suddenly I saw a commotion and was taken back at the site. A few hungry dogs and a begger were fighting each other for the thrown away morsel of food. At that movement it looked like there was no difference between than human being and those dogs. There was not much I could do - stunned, young > > > > But I realised one thing - It is we human beings that always think of differences. On the otherside as far as nature is considered there is no difference at all. Every living being is alike for her. No species is more superior than others. > > > > " Sahasra Seershaa PurushaH Sahasraksh sahasrapaad. .. " > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > I am glad and relieved that you agree, Shenoy ji! > > > > > > I have always come forth gushingly and was never forced! > > > > > > I just hope and pray that you read all that you posted and shared, come tomorrow or perhaps whenever you find the time and smile at what you expressed today! > > > > > > No need to respond, of course! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > Oh! its worth a LOT. > > > > > > > > //it was a very hot day here and I was not even wearing a shirt!// > > > > > > > > So you were in your innocent self - or rather should I say was forced on! rediscover perhaps > > > > > > > > circumstances that forces many to take a U-Turn > > > > > > > > looking back one finds that, it is sometimes those reasons were actually helping him on to a new path - the one you have been cursing all along! > > > > > > > > Yes, you are right - it the innocence that makes it possible to understand atleat a bit of the real. > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > For what it is worth, Aaadarneeya Shenoy-jee when I wrote that, it was a very hot day here and I was not even wearing a shirt! So, no sleeves jee!! > > > > > > > > > > Being environmentally conscious here, some of us do not use air-conditioning particularly when we are at home! I hope I am not being too graphic and direct on this forum? > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohiniji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Funny, You mention it (innocence), I continued writing on the need to go back to the roots at that point and ...... but suddenly realised that you have something up your sleeve AND it better you reveal it yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aadarneeya Shenoy ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I held back the third pod of the tripod (The two feet already described being: Curiosity and Motivation) which is neither success nor treasure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is " innocence " ! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I recommend that third foot that stabilizes perception and understanding to all Jyotishis and Jyotishi-wannabees! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If H1 is curiosity (the infant arriving in this reality at birth epoch), never alone but paired by the house opposite for whatever it brindicates, H9 is motivation because that is what bhagyaa is supposed to be to set us up and its complement = third house of intelligent and meaningful EFFORT! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The innocence in my simple scheme comes from the fifth house of course! the natural missing element of the tripod that I have written about many times and in many a ways! For those who have had the privilege of being parents, the message would not be lost for the first time any of us ordinary householders rediscover innocence is at the moment of birth of our first-born! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From that innocent and gifted moment begins our journey to build our future as a soul! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interestingly, that moment of realization brings into focus for MOST if not ALL the other two pods: curiosity and motivation! Only this time as an observer and dare I say -- a creator? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have mentioned two key words " Motivation " directly and implied another " Curiosity " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many persons also start to learn Astrology first out of Curiosity. Motivation may come later. " Success " also plays its part in motivating to move forward in search of " treasure " and to fly into realms of cosmos. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 If we are the only 'Bio-Game' in the Universe, where are the UFOs coming from, Vinay ji? Do you think that W. Striber and others like him are big HOAXES and liars ;-) RR , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > Da Da Da ! (As Lord Brahmaa said in Brihadaaranyaka, quoted in The Waste Land), > > Unfortunely, there is only one poor Earth in the entire Cosmos, although there are so many planets, stars and galaxies !! This Mother Earth gives birth to and nurtutes a poor thing not found elsewhere : Life. > > There is an ocean of difference between I-centric and ego-centric. > > -vj > > ======================= == > > > ________________________________ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > > Monday, July 13, 2009 9:38:32 AM > Re: Astrology -- Teray Kitnay Roop...! > > > > > > I read a book by a Indo-canadian scientist, Dr. Shiv Chopra this weekend. The title is, " Corrupt to the Core " and it describes his personal experiences as a first person account of a whistle blower in a Drugs approval bureaucracy! > > He had an interesting statement about a scientist/bureaucra t turned Saadhu/hermit in there: the cost (not value!) of different species were being compared therein. Based on what is known as Food-chain amplification! > > We humans have always been I-Centric! For instance Astrology! It is meaningful only for those who live on earth! Is it not? Geocentric/Geotopic al ragdaa Jhagdaa aside! > > RR > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > " No species is more superior than others. " > > > > Yes, but only the Human Specie is able to say so, and realize Him. > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@ ...> > > > > Sunday, July 12, 2009 5:25:47 PM > > Re: Astrology -- Teray Kitnay Roop...! > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > I am not sure this fits the bill, > > > > Long time back when I was young, I was sitting practically alone on the railway platform at Kesinga, Kolahandi District, Orrisa. You must be aware that this district is known for maximum deaths due to hunger and sunstrokes. > > > > Suddenly I saw a commotion and was taken back at the site. A few hungry dogs and a begger were fighting each other for the thrown away morsel of food. At that movement it looked like there was no difference between than human being and those dogs. There was not much I could do - stunned, young > > > > But I realised one thing - It is we human beings that always think of differences. On the otherside as far as nature is considered there is no difference at all. Every living being is alike for her. No species is more superior than others. > > > > " Sahasra Seershaa PurushaH Sahasraksh sahasrapaad. .. " > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > I am glad and relieved that you agree, Shenoy ji! > > > > > > I have always come forth gushingly and was never forced! > > > > > > I just hope and pray that you read all that you posted and shared, come tomorrow or perhaps whenever you find the time and smile at what you expressed today! > > > > > > No need to respond, of course! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > Oh! its worth a LOT. > > > > > > > > //it was a very hot day here and I was not even wearing a shirt!// > > > > > > > > So you were in your innocent self - or rather should I say was forced on! rediscover perhaps > > > > > > > > circumstances that forces many to take a U-Turn > > > > > > > > looking back one finds that, it is sometimes those reasons were actually helping him on to a new path - the one you have been cursing all along! > > > > > > > > Yes, you are right - it the innocence that makes it possible to understand atleat a bit of the real. > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > For what it is worth, Aaadarneeya Shenoy-jee when I wrote that, it was a very hot day here and I was not even wearing a shirt! So, no sleeves jee!! > > > > > > > > > > Being environmentally conscious here, some of us do not use air-conditioning particularly when we are at home! I hope I am not being too graphic and direct on this forum? > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohiniji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Funny, You mention it (innocence), I continued writing on the need to go back to the roots at that point and ...... but suddenly realised that you have something up your sleeve AND it better you reveal it yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aadarneeya Shenoy ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I held back the third pod of the tripod (The two feet already described being: Curiosity and Motivation) which is neither success nor treasure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is " innocence " ! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I recommend that third foot that stabilizes perception and understanding to all Jyotishis and Jyotishi-wannabees! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If H1 is curiosity (the infant arriving in this reality at birth epoch), never alone but paired by the house opposite for whatever it brindicates, H9 is motivation because that is what bhagyaa is supposed to be to set us up and its complement = third house of intelligent and meaningful EFFORT! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The innocence in my simple scheme comes from the fifth house of course! the natural missing element of the tripod that I have written about many times and in many a ways! For those who have had the privilege of being parents, the message would not be lost for the first time any of us ordinary householders rediscover innocence is at the moment of birth of our first-born! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From that innocent and gifted moment begins our journey to build our future as a soul! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interestingly, that moment of realization brings into focus for MOST if not ALL the other two pods: curiosity and motivation! Only this time as an observer and dare I say -- a creator? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have mentioned two key words " Motivation " directly and implied another " Curiosity " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many persons also start to learn Astrology first out of Curiosity. Motivation may come later. " Success " also plays its part in motivating to move forward in search of " treasure " and to fly into realms of cosmos. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Those who were nearer to the First Man said that language was given by God. ________________________________ Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Monday, July 13, 2009 10:15:47 AM Re: Astrology -- Teray Kitnay Roop...! They created, Shenoy ji? :-) How old was the very first ever human being that 'spoke'? I never ran into a bull who spoke that way but I have seen a few " parrots " doing exactly that in my short lifetime ;-) And when the doting crowds departed (I was in stealth mode, still listening... ) the gyani parrot danced a jig and said, " Kachar koti - doodh roti, Miththuu maangay mirchi! " Ah these hardwired genetic blue-prints. ..! RR , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > Yes, but only the Human Specie is able to say so > > In the language they created and understand > again superiority > > >, and realize Him. > > How do humans species KNOW for sure? > > I remotely remember a bull reciting vedas mentioned somewere in puranas. > > > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > > > " No species is more superior than others. " > > > > Yes, but only the Human Specie is able to say so, and realize Him. > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@ > > > > > Sunday, July 12, 2009 5:25:47 PM > > Re: Astrology -- Teray Kitnay Roop...! > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > I am not sure this fits the bill, > > > > Long time back when I was young, I was sitting practically alone on the railway platform at Kesinga, Kolahandi District, Orrisa. You must be aware that this district is known for maximum deaths due to hunger and sunstrokes. > > > > Suddenly I saw a commotion and was taken back at the site. A few hungry dogs and a begger were fighting each other for the thrown away morsel of food. At that movement it looked like there was no difference between than human being and those dogs. There was not much I could do - stunned, young > > > > But I realised one thing - It is we human beings that always think of differences. On the otherside as far as nature is considered there is no difference at all. Every living being is alike for her. No species is more superior than others. > > > > " Sahasra Seershaa PurushaH Sahasraksh sahasrapaad. .. " > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > I am glad and relieved that you agree, Shenoy ji! > > > > > > I have always come forth gushingly and was never forced! > > > > > > I just hope and pray that you read all that you posted and shared, come tomorrow or perhaps whenever you find the time and smile at what you expressed today! > > > > > > No need to respond, of course! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > Oh! its worth a LOT. > > > > > > > > //it was a very hot day here and I was not even wearing a shirt!// > > > > > > > > So you were in your innocent self - or rather should I say was forced on! rediscover perhaps > > > > > > > > circumstances that forces many to take a U-Turn > > > > > > > > looking back one finds that, it is sometimes those reasons were actually helping him on to a new path - the one you have been cursing all along! > > > > > > > > Yes, you are right - it the innocence that makes it possible to understand atleat a bit of the real. > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > For what it is worth, Aaadarneeya Shenoy-jee when I wrote that, it was a very hot day here and I was not even wearing a shirt! So, no sleeves jee!! > > > > > > > > > > Being environmentally conscious here, some of us do not use air-conditioning particularly when we are at home! I hope I am not being too graphic and direct on this forum? > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohiniji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Funny, You mention it (innocence), I continued writing on the need to go back to the roots at that point and ...... but suddenly realised that you have something up your sleeve AND it better you reveal it yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aadarneeya Shenoy ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I held back the third pod of the tripod (The two feet already described being: Curiosity and Motivation) which is neither success nor treasure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is " innocence " ! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I recommend that third foot that stabilizes perception and understanding to all Jyotishis and Jyotishi-wannabees! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If H1 is curiosity (the infant arriving in this reality at birth epoch), never alone but paired by the house opposite for whatever it brindicates, H9 is motivation because that is what bhagyaa is supposed to be to set us up and its complement = third house of intelligent and meaningful EFFORT! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The innocence in my simple scheme comes from the fifth house of course! the natural missing element of the tripod that I have written about many times and in many a ways! For those who have had the privilege of being parents, the message would not be lost for the first time any of us ordinary householders rediscover innocence is at the moment of birth of our first-born! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From that innocent and gifted moment begins our journey to build our future as a soul! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interestingly, that moment of realization brings into focus for MOST if not ALL the other two pods: curiosity and motivation! Only this time as an observer and dare I say -- a creator? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have mentioned two key words " Motivation " directly and implied another " Curiosity " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many persons also start to learn Astrology first out of Curiosity. Motivation may come later. " Success " also plays its part in motivating to move forward in search of " treasure " and to fly into realms of cosmos. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Da, Have you seen an UFO ? I met a flying sadhu who entered into my closed room through walls. Did he come from other planet ? Later, I found that he wanted to save me from an impending disaster. When I was 13, a high speed truck made me and my bicycle a UFO which started from northern side of Vijaya Chowk in front of Indian Parliament and landed near Boat Club to the south, without any scratch to me or to my clothes, although the bike became round like flying saucers, round in shape due to strong impact of the truck. Through many near-death experiences, I came to know the meaning of Death. And after encountering many border-line existentialist situations I gradually came to know the meaning of Life. ________________________________ Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan Monday, July 13, 2009 10:27:41 AM Re: Astrology -- Teray Kitnay Roop...! If we are the only 'Bio-Game' in the Universe, where are the UFOs coming from, Vinay ji? Do you think that W. Striber and others like him are big HOAXES and liars ;-) RR , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > Da Da Da ! (As Lord Brahmaa said in Brihadaaranyaka, quoted in The Waste Land), > > Unfortunely, there is only one poor Earth in the entire Cosmos, although there are so many planets, stars and galaxies !! This Mother Earth gives birth to and nurtutes a poor thing not found elsewhere : Life. > > There is an ocean of difference between I-centric and ego-centric. > > -vj > > ============ ========= == == > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > Monday, July 13, 2009 9:38:32 AM > Re: Astrology -- Teray Kitnay Roop...! > > > > > > I read a book by a Indo-canadian scientist, Dr. Shiv Chopra this weekend. The title is, " Corrupt to the Core " and it describes his personal experiences as a first person account of a whistle blower in a Drugs approval bureaucracy! > > He had an interesting statement about a scientist/bureaucra t turned Saadhu/hermit in there: the cost (not value!) of different species were being compared therein. Based on what is known as Food-chain amplification! > > We humans have always been I-Centric! For instance Astrology! It is meaningful only for those who live on earth! Is it not? Geocentric/Geotopic al ragdaa Jhagdaa aside! > > RR > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > " No species is more superior than others. " > > > > Yes, but only the Human Specie is able to say so, and realize Him. > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@ ...> > > > > Sunday, July 12, 2009 5:25:47 PM > > Re: Astrology -- Teray Kitnay Roop...! > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > I am not sure this fits the bill, > > > > Long time back when I was young, I was sitting practically alone on the railway platform at Kesinga, Kolahandi District, Orrisa. You must be aware that this district is known for maximum deaths due to hunger and sunstrokes. > > > > Suddenly I saw a commotion and was taken back at the site. A few hungry dogs and a begger were fighting each other for the thrown away morsel of food. At that movement it looked like there was no difference between than human being and those dogs. There was not much I could do - stunned, young > > > > But I realised one thing - It is we human beings that always think of differences. On the otherside as far as nature is considered there is no difference at all. Every living being is alike for her. No species is more superior than others. > > > > " Sahasra Seershaa PurushaH Sahasraksh sahasrapaad. .. " > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > I am glad and relieved that you agree, Shenoy ji! > > > > > > I have always come forth gushingly and was never forced! > > > > > > I just hope and pray that you read all that you posted and shared, come tomorrow or perhaps whenever you find the time and smile at what you expressed today! > > > > > > No need to respond, of course! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > Oh! its worth a LOT. > > > > > > > > //it was a very hot day here and I was not even wearing a shirt!// > > > > > > > > So you were in your innocent self - or rather should I say was forced on! rediscover perhaps > > > > > > > > circumstances that forces many to take a U-Turn > > > > > > > > looking back one finds that, it is sometimes those reasons were actually helping him on to a new path - the one you have been cursing all along! > > > > > > > > Yes, you are right - it the innocence that makes it possible to understand atleat a bit of the real. > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > For what it is worth, Aaadarneeya Shenoy-jee when I wrote that, it was a very hot day here and I was not even wearing a shirt! So, no sleeves jee!! > > > > > > > > > > Being environmentally conscious here, some of us do not use air-conditioning particularly when we are at home! I hope I am not being too graphic and direct on this forum? > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohiniji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Funny, You mention it (innocence), I continued writing on the need to go back to the roots at that point and ...... but suddenly realised that you have something up your sleeve AND it better you reveal it yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aadarneeya Shenoy ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I held back the third pod of the tripod (The two feet already described being: Curiosity and Motivation) which is neither success nor treasure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is " innocence " ! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I recommend that third foot that stabilizes perception and understanding to all Jyotishis and Jyotishi-wannabees! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If H1 is curiosity (the infant arriving in this reality at birth epoch), never alone but paired by the house opposite for whatever it brindicates, H9 is motivation because that is what bhagyaa is supposed to be to set us up and its complement = third house of intelligent and meaningful EFFORT! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The innocence in my simple scheme comes from the fifth house of course! the natural missing element of the tripod that I have written about many times and in many a ways! For those who have had the privilege of being parents, the message would not be lost for the first time any of us ordinary householders rediscover innocence is at the moment of birth of our first-born! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From that innocent and gifted moment begins our journey to build our future as a soul! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interestingly, that moment of realization brings into focus for MOST if not ALL the other two pods: curiosity and motivation! Only this time as an observer and dare I say -- a creator? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have mentioned two key words " Motivation " directly and implied another " Curiosity " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many persons also start to learn Astrology first out of Curiosity. Motivation may come later. " Success " also plays its part in motivating to move forward in search of " treasure " and to fly into realms of cosmos. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 No Vinay Ji, I have never personally experienced an UFO or experienced a flying Sadhu. I have experienced a Truck as I shared earlier on one of the fora that I write in (they are all the same, by the way!) but in my case the truck stopped while the car did not and that is how I met the policeman -- Misir jee. Most of my experiences in this lifetime had been very ordinary and regular, involving nothing sensational or supersensory or fantastic. My mission in this lifetime is to be able to sense the essence that all humans possess but only some express and to figure out why that is so. Until I figure-out that fundamental thing stated above, the only UFOs and visions-fantastic for me are what Holly and Bolly-wood can dish out. I could graduate to video games but after trying out Dr. Deepak Chopra's game that uses GSR sensors, I was happy to return to simple contemplation and not even meditation as it is being packaged these days! Rohinida , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > Da, > > Have you seen an UFO ? > > I met a flying sadhu who entered into my closed room through walls. Did he come from other planet ? Later, I found that he wanted to save me from an impending disaster. > > > When I was 13, a high speed truck made me and my bicycle a UFO which started from northern side of Vijaya Chowk in front of Indian Parliament and landed near Boat Club to the south, without any scratch to me or to my clothes, although the bike became round like flying saucers, round in shape due to strong impact of the truck. > > Through many near-death experiences, I came to know the meaning of Death. And after encountering many border-line existentialist situations I gradually came to know the meaning of Life. > > > ________________________________ > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan > > Monday, July 13, 2009 10:27:41 AM > Re: Astrology -- Teray Kitnay Roop...! > > > > > > If we are the only 'Bio-Game' in the Universe, where are the UFOs coming from, Vinay ji? Do you think that W. Striber and others like him are big HOAXES and liars ;-) > > RR > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > Da Da Da ! (As Lord Brahmaa said in Brihadaaranyaka, quoted in The Waste Land), > > > > Unfortunely, there is only one poor Earth in the entire Cosmos, although there are so many planets, stars and galaxies !! This Mother Earth gives birth to and nurtutes a poor thing not found elsewhere : Life. > > > > There is an ocean of difference between I-centric and ego-centric. > > > > -vj > > > > ============ ========= == == > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > Monday, July 13, 2009 9:38:32 AM > > Re: Astrology -- Teray Kitnay Roop...! > > > > > > > > > > > > I read a book by a Indo-canadian scientist, Dr. Shiv Chopra this weekend. The title is, " Corrupt to the Core " and it describes his personal experiences as a first person account of a whistle blower in a Drugs approval bureaucracy! > > > > He had an interesting statement about a scientist/bureaucra t turned Saadhu/hermit in there: the cost (not value!) of different species were being compared therein. Based on what is known as Food-chain amplification! > > > > We humans have always been I-Centric! For instance Astrology! It is meaningful only for those who live on earth! Is it not? Geocentric/Geotopic al ragdaa Jhagdaa aside! > > > > RR > > > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > " No species is more superior than others. " > > > > > > Yes, but only the Human Specie is able to say so, and realize Him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@ ...> > > > > > > Sunday, July 12, 2009 5:25:47 PM > > > Re: Astrology -- Teray Kitnay Roop...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > > > I am not sure this fits the bill, > > > > > > Long time back when I was young, I was sitting practically alone on the railway platform at Kesinga, Kolahandi District, Orrisa. You must be aware that this district is known for maximum deaths due to hunger and sunstrokes. > > > > > > Suddenly I saw a commotion and was taken back at the site. A few hungry dogs and a begger were fighting each other for the thrown away morsel of food. At that movement it looked like there was no difference between than human being and those dogs. There was not much I could do - stunned, young > > > > > > But I realised one thing - It is we human beings that always think of differences. On the otherside as far as nature is considered there is no difference at all. Every living being is alike for her. No species is more superior than others. > > > > > > " Sahasra Seershaa PurushaH Sahasraksh sahasrapaad. .. " > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > I am glad and relieved that you agree, Shenoy ji! > > > > > > > > I have always come forth gushingly and was never forced! > > > > > > > > I just hope and pray that you read all that you posted and shared, come tomorrow or perhaps whenever you find the time and smile at what you expressed today! > > > > > > > > No need to respond, of course! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > Oh! its worth a LOT. > > > > > > > > > > //it was a very hot day here and I was not even wearing a shirt!// > > > > > > > > > > So you were in your innocent self - or rather should I say was forced on! rediscover perhaps > > > > > > > > > > circumstances that forces many to take a U-Turn > > > > > > > > > > looking back one finds that, it is sometimes those reasons were actually helping him on to a new path - the one you have been cursing all along! > > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are right - it the innocence that makes it possible to understand atleat a bit of the real. > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > For what it is worth, Aaadarneeya Shenoy-jee when I wrote that, it was a very hot day here and I was not even wearing a shirt! So, no sleeves jee!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Being environmentally conscious here, some of us do not use air-conditioning particularly when we are at home! I hope I am not being too graphic and direct on this forum? > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohiniji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Funny, You mention it (innocence), I continued writing on the need to go back to the roots at that point and ...... but suddenly realised that you have something up your sleeve AND it better you reveal it yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aadarneeya Shenoy ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I held back the third pod of the tripod (The two feet already described being: Curiosity and Motivation) which is neither success nor treasure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is " innocence " ! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I recommend that third foot that stabilizes perception and understanding to all Jyotishis and Jyotishi-wannabees! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If H1 is curiosity (the infant arriving in this reality at birth epoch), never alone but paired by the house opposite for whatever it brindicates, H9 is motivation because that is what bhagyaa is supposed to be to set us up and its complement = third house of intelligent and meaningful EFFORT! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The innocence in my simple scheme comes from the fifth house of course! the natural missing element of the tripod that I have written about many times and in many a ways! For those who have had the privilege of being parents, the message would not be lost for the first time any of us ordinary householders rediscover innocence is at the moment of birth of our first-born! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From that innocent and gifted moment begins our journey to build our future as a soul! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interestingly, that moment of realization brings into focus for MOST if not ALL the other two pods: curiosity and motivation! Only this time as an observer and dare I say -- a creator? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have mentioned two key words " Motivation " directly and implied another " Curiosity " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many persons also start to learn Astrology first out of Curiosity. Motivation may come later. " Success " also plays its part in motivating to move forward in search of " treasure " and to fly into realms of cosmos. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 You very well know we Indians are very good at duplicating anything or mimiking so why not " parrots " , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > They created, Shenoy ji? :-) > > How old was the very first ever human being that 'spoke'? > > I never ran into a bull who spoke that way but I have seen a few " parrots " doing exactly that in my short lifetime ;-) > > And when the doting crowds departed (I was in stealth mode, still listening...) the gyani parrot danced a jig and said, " Kachar koti - doodh roti, Miththuu maangay mirchi! " > > Ah these hardwired genetic blue-prints...! > > RR > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@> wrote: > > > > > > > Yes, but only the Human Specie is able to say so > > > > In the language they created and understand > > again superiority > > > > >, and realize Him. > > > > How do humans species KNOW for sure? > > > > I remotely remember a bull reciting vedas mentioned somewere in puranas. > > > > > > > > , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > > > " No species is more superior than others. " > > > > > > Yes, but only the Human Specie is able to say so, and realize Him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@> > > > > > > Sunday, July 12, 2009 5:25:47 PM > > > Re: Astrology -- Teray Kitnay Roop...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > > > I am not sure this fits the bill, > > > > > > Long time back when I was young, I was sitting practically alone on the railway platform at Kesinga, Kolahandi District, Orrisa. You must be aware that this district is known for maximum deaths due to hunger and sunstrokes. > > > > > > Suddenly I saw a commotion and was taken back at the site. A few hungry dogs and a begger were fighting each other for the thrown away morsel of food. At that movement it looked like there was no difference between than human being and those dogs. There was not much I could do - stunned, young > > > > > > But I realised one thing - It is we human beings that always think of differences. On the otherside as far as nature is considered there is no difference at all. Every living being is alike for her. No species is more superior than others. > > > > > > " Sahasra Seershaa PurushaH Sahasraksh sahasrapaad. .. " > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > I am glad and relieved that you agree, Shenoy ji! > > > > > > > > I have always come forth gushingly and was never forced! > > > > > > > > I just hope and pray that you read all that you posted and shared, come tomorrow or perhaps whenever you find the time and smile at what you expressed today! > > > > > > > > No need to respond, of course! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > Oh! its worth a LOT. > > > > > > > > > > //it was a very hot day here and I was not even wearing a shirt!// > > > > > > > > > > So you were in your innocent self - or rather should I say was forced on! rediscover perhaps > > > > > > > > > > circumstances that forces many to take a U-Turn > > > > > > > > > > looking back one finds that, it is sometimes those reasons were actually helping him on to a new path - the one you have been cursing all along! > > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are right - it the innocence that makes it possible to understand atleat a bit of the real. > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > For what it is worth, Aaadarneeya Shenoy-jee when I wrote that, it was a very hot day here and I was not even wearing a shirt! So, no sleeves jee!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Being environmentally conscious here, some of us do not use air-conditioning particularly when we are at home! I hope I am not being too graphic and direct on this forum? > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohiniji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Funny, You mention it (innocence), I continued writing on the need to go back to the roots at that point and ...... but suddenly realised that you have something up your sleeve AND it better you reveal it yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aadarneeya Shenoy ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I held back the third pod of the tripod (The two feet already described being: Curiosity and Motivation) which is neither success nor treasure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is " innocence " ! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I recommend that third foot that stabilizes perception and understanding to all Jyotishis and Jyotishi-wannabees! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If H1 is curiosity (the infant arriving in this reality at birth epoch), never alone but paired by the house opposite for whatever it brindicates, H9 is motivation because that is what bhagyaa is supposed to be to set us up and its complement = third house of intelligent and meaningful EFFORT! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The innocence in my simple scheme comes from the fifth house of course! the natural missing element of the tripod that I have written about many times and in many a ways! For those who have had the privilege of being parents, the message would not be lost for the first time any of us ordinary householders rediscover innocence is at the moment of birth of our first-born! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From that innocent and gifted moment begins our journey to build our future as a soul! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interestingly, that moment of realization brings into focus for MOST if not ALL the other two pods: curiosity and motivation! Only this time as an observer and dare I say -- a creator? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have mentioned two key words " Motivation " directly and implied another " Curiosity " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many persons also start to learn Astrology first out of Curiosity. Motivation may come later. " Success " also plays its part in motivating to move forward in search of " treasure " and to fly into realms of cosmos. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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