SKB, RRji, VJ ji...!!- neutral 16/7

July 16, 2009

Dear Vinay ji

I am just using part of ur message only for appropriate reasons

.... // If someone thinks he can remain neutral in a debate between truth and

falsehood, he is mistaken. Watching injustice with neutrality is not

neutrality, and gods see this. It falsehood triumphs in this false

world, it is not due to shortcoming in truth, but due to lack of

courage in socalled good people who chose to remain aloof. //...

one can;t just to this conclusion it t is v dangerous

2, to discuss such topics that u and SKB r involved in one has to have a

aptitude for it

2, or have some foundation of sorts at least in it

2, curiousity to knw our own culture and respect it

3, time and inclination on any subject even one that concerns our own identity

as a Hindu we must feel proud to be one and learn its depth, greatness, improve

upon its short -comings a good way of living sanathana dharma or the universal

one is a amalgamation of ideas, belifes, concepts, practices, deities,

scriptures not a monolith as the invaders have belived and taught us

we still live in such a state so pl accept this situation. BE PATIENT DO UR BIT

TO SHOW US OUR CULTURAL HEIGHTS forget ur detractors.

u can het better milage on the topics u want to share, and ur debadte if u avoid

personal references to the abusers let them be seen so we need not defend

anything other than the subject in question

so ppl who respect such wisdom will automaticaly respect u,

the risk of ppl loosing interest in such good topics is greater ppl with such

rare knowledge base must be extra cautious and not get carried away by their

detractors, abusers we r smaller being than ppl like u

AND

I have suffered on this account most [NUTERAL]

many of my troubles with Bhaskr ji has been this only he xpects everyone to

defend one another when abused by others esp no astrologers

INSPITE OF TELLING HIM OVER THE YEARS THAT I HAD NOT SEEN MOST OF SUCH THREADS

SO WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT WEBT ON U CAN'T DO IT, I MAY NOT EVEN KNOW IT HAS

HAPPENED so it happened i did not support his case manytimes

but it was not intentional, whever possible

I have rallied against such ppl seeking fre advices in every group not taking a

few seriously but abusing the free readings who will tell them what so many will

lead to confusion let them wait for a few to happen either way and then post in

same group for clarification if it fails let them go elsewhere. NO ONE CARES FOR

THE TIME SERIOUS ASTROLOGERS PUT IN and enjoy free readings

but I did them more to help youngsters learn the subject and also show it is

possible to cover them

but the impression I carried was i was not part of them [who were abused and

divided the house]

so mere nuterality is not visible even if it the case.

we have all ralied against other issues concerning India, Hindism, astrology,

cultural perversions, cultural intolerances etc as wnd when it came but not all

times I could participate some can be seen between Dec 06 to sept 07 later it is

less and igot into more trouble fr not being part of any such debates

u cans ee the time stamps of mine in the period after Sept 07 how late i posted

and ones beofe it which were almost round the clock

so ppl can be and msut be seen nuteral not watching the fun for the simple

reason not r in same baot to discuss SOME TOPICS

but we all do feel the pain one goes thru in such humiliating times as we r all

victims of it as well.

there r times when we had serious differences with some but it is settlled over

a period of time as we understand one another on a long term presence.

Paitence, let Jyotishya prevail

i will see Maharishis linkl this week end surely

Prashant

July 16, 2009

Prashant Ji,

You should not have intervemned in my reply to RR Ji. I do not need the help of

those who have banned me from their groups without even warning or informing me,

and then and pose as neutral when I am being abused, but jump to accuse me of

" systematic discrimination " when I retort. I do not feel RR Ji is neutral.

Neutrality is a bogus thing in this world. No mortal is neutral, only God is

neutral because He is above Karma.

I am also not neutral : but I never discriminate on account of personal tastes.

You know I pardoned those who abused my mother in obscene terms. SKB has not

used such foul words. But I regard SKB to be a greater danger for Hinduism,

because he masquerades as a devout and cheats people in Australia and in USA by

misinterpreting scriptures, and earns money out of it. If someone misinterprets

scriptures, let me counter him if you do not want to do so, but do not attack me

with foul words like " systemstic " plans of discrimination : this is all I

wanted to say to RR Ji, but you wrongly took the message to be for everyone. My

message was only for RR Ji, but was posted publicly, because he chose a public

fora to hold me guilty of systematic discrimination against SKB.

RR Ji wants me out of all fora, he explicitly advised me. He could expel me

only from his own forum. This " sincere " and " neutral " advice was rooted in

his disbelief in Suryasiddhanta which he does not think worth testing.

-VJ

________________________________

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:04:32 PM

Re: Re: SKB, RRji, VJ ji...!!- neutral 16/7

Dear Vinay ji

I am just using part of ur message only for appropriate reasons

.... // If someone thinks he can remain neutral in a debate between truth and

falsehood, he is mistaken. Watching injustice with neutrality is not

neutrality, and gods see this. It falsehood triumphs in this false

world, it is not due to shortcoming in truth, but due to lack of

courage in socalled good people who chose to remain aloof. //...

one can;t just to this conclusion it t is v dangerous

2, to discuss such topics that u and SKB r involved in one has to have a

aptitude for it

2, or have some foundation of sorts at least in it

2, curiousity to knw our own culture and respect it

3, time and inclination on any subject even one that concerns our own identity

as a Hindu we must feel proud to be one and learn its depth, greatness, improve

upon its short -comings a good way of living sanathana dharma or the universal

one is a amalgamation of ideas, belifes, concepts, practices, deities,

scriptures not a monolith as the invaders have belived and taught us

we still live in such a state so pl accept this situation. BE PATIENT DO UR BIT

TO SHOW US OUR CULTURAL HEIGHTS forget ur detractors.

u can het better milage on the topics u want to share, and ur debadte if u avoid

personal references to the abusers let them be seen so we need not defend

anything other than the subject in question

so ppl who respect such wisdom will automaticaly respect u,

the risk of ppl loosing interest in such good topics is greater ppl with such

rare knowledge base must be extra cautious and not get carried away by their

detractors, abusers we r smaller being than ppl like u

AND

I have suffered on this account most [NUTERAL]

many of my troubles with Bhaskr ji has been this only he xpects everyone to

defend one another when abused by others esp no astrologers

INSPITE OF TELLING HIM OVER THE YEARS THAT I HAD NOT SEEN MOST OF SUCH THREADS

SO WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT WEBT ON U CAN'T DO IT, I MAY NOT EVEN KNOW IT HAS

HAPPENED so it happened i did not support his case manytimes

but it was not intentional, whever possible

I have rallied against such ppl seeking fre advices in every group not taking a

few seriously but abusing the free readings who will tell them what so many will

lead to confusion let them wait for a few to happen either way and then post in

same group for clarification if it fails let them go elsewhere. NO ONE CARES FOR

THE TIME SERIOUS ASTROLOGERS PUT IN and enjoy free readings

but I did them more to help youngsters learn the subject and also show it is

possible to cover them

but the impression I carried was i was not part of them [who were abused and

divided the house]

so mere nuterality is not visible even if it the case.

we have all ralied against other issues concerning India, Hindism, astrology,

cultural perversions, cultural intolerances etc as wnd when it came but not all

times I could participate some can be seen between Dec 06 to sept 07 later it is

less and igot into more trouble fr not being part of any such debates

u cans ee the time stamps of mine in the period after Sept 07 how late i posted

and ones beofe it which were almost round the clock

so ppl can be and msut be seen nuteral not watching the fun for the simple

reason not r in same baot to discuss SOME TOPICS

but we all do feel the pain one goes thru in such humiliating times as we r all

victims of it as well.

there r times when we had serious differences with some but it is settlled over

a period of time as we understand one another on a long term presence.

Paitence, let Jyotishya prevail

i will see Maharishis linkl this week end surely

Prashant

July 16, 2009

Dear Vinay ji

if this was aimed at RRju and his neutrality it was not clear so I had said as a

forum has many neutral players and quite often tested.

but at times it is hard to be neutral we get hit in cross-fires of others and

have to be neutral by choice

right now I hope things dont get too far and surely cary ur points on those

spreading falsehood on Hinduism, vedic lierature by the content we can ignore

their names. for us the subject is important and we all love and promote,

protect our culture when need be [that is when aware of such things by anyone]

prashant

________________________________

Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16

Thursday, July 16, 2009 6:08:16 PM