Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Respceted Sir,  I am not here to find fault in your article. But calling Sani as Eswara will not be liked by Sani himself. The Sanaichara got corrupted as Saneeswara in Tamil.  Ganda Sani denotes middle sani and not Gandam ( death chance) of tamil.  For Long Tamilians are misunderstanding and fearing Sani like this.  I have mentioned that i am not a big astrologer but stand on my knowledge of hinduism.  My Long Nose enterd in to a common forum and not in anybody's private matters.  I stand by what i say. I have nothing personal against you. I have not made any comment on you first article. My worry is people should not fear Sani like this. As far us i know, he delivers what is due as per karma.  It is only expressing views and sharing knowledges. My age is much less tha your experiance. My pranams to you and there is nothing to hurt you.  need to remove such tamil beliefs like Pen Moolam Nirmulam ( meaning moola girl will spoil the family) Pooradam nooladathu ( meaning poorada girls mangal sutra will not be lasting) etc. They are just ryming sentences. Many tamil girls are suffering because of this.  My reply was only in that subject and not on your predictions. We need more such predictions  Regards  Sankar  --- On Thu, 7/16/09, venkatachala pathi <pathiav wrote: venkatachala pathi <pathiav Re: Saturn's special transit effects. Thursday, July 16, 2009, 4:29 PM  Dear Mr. Sankaranarayanan, What is that you want to communicate? All in that 'article' I had written is 'rubbish'? Well! what I understood studying this for last 47 years is waste, and one Mr. Sankaranarayanan, come in to tell us some new facts. Please write/correct and complete my article. Your service is welcome. This is how, people like us feel to keep away from sending these 'articles' in a 'forum' as 'greats' are already there with abundant knowledge!!, with 'long' nose too.  A.V.Pathi,  Astrologer, 'Oxton House', 6, Hawthorn Road,Cherry Willingh am, Lincoln LN3 4JT, United Kingdom .  0044+01522+595996, ____________ _________ _________ __ sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ > Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:10:44 AM Re: Saturn's special transit effects.  Respected Gurujis  My humble views on this subject are as under. Though I am not well versed in Astrology, as a student of Hinduism and a Tamilian, will give my views as under. ( I say tamilian because a. Sanskrit words have a different meaning in Tamil b. Tamils give lot of imporatnce to Gochara)  1. Sani Having Easwar title: The word Sanaichara ( slow walker) some how got corrupted in Tamil and became Saneeswara. Then stories spurned around Saturn getting the Eswar title. But all Siva Temples of Tamilandu, he is an humble servant of Shiva and a parivara devata.  2. I have seen period the Ashtama Sani is more dangerous than Sade sathi for many. ( Simillarly the Gurus 10th Position affects job status. Especially for Mesha Rasi, when guru in 10th house ie Mahara, where jupiter becomes weak, even if he is exalated in good houses in the horescope will not help)  3. The sade sati is divided into 3 and in sanskrit called as janma, kanda ( middle) and Pada ( end) This Kanda is confused with Tamil Kanadam ( death possibility) and feared.  4. If Saturn is Lagnadipathi, the sade sathi effect is minimum ( can be good also) and ashtama sthan may not be that worse. If he is Rasiadibathi ( chandra lagna lord) again the periods are not that bad.  5. Sani in 7th house from Chandra Rasi can also be considered a good period.  6. The 5th is also bad but some how the sade sathi, ashtama and ardashtama have over taken in the popular belief.  7. Visiting Thirunallaru brings down the effect . ( i have written earlier also. many people misunderstand the Navgraha temples of Tamilnadu. They are Shiva temples and the presiding Shiva ONLY cures. The curse on each planet was cured in each temple by shiva. In Thirunallaru, when Nala entered the temple, saturn could not follow him inside and have to leave him. that is why Thiru Nala Aru. Aru means cooling, curing, Thiru is Sri in tamil.  Hence , Vinayaga,Shiva and Parvathi to be worshipped first and then the saturn. Also one have to take bath in nala theertham before entering the temple. Please go with empty stomach in the morning and not as a picnic. Saturdays are best but the line takes 5 to 6 hours. If not possible other days are also ok, Bath with gingille oil in the tank and offer ghee for Siva and Parvathy's lamps. Gingelee oil was Sani's lamp)  Regards  Sankar      --- On Thu, 7/16/09, venkatachala pathi <pathiav > wrote: venkatachala pathi <pathiav > Saturn's special transit effects. ancient_indian_ astrology, askyourastroquery@ . com, asthikasamaj, astro_remedies, astroriber@gro ups.com, Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ . co.in, vedic astrology, brahmin_world@ . co.in, " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises@ hathway.com> , " brahimn tvm group " <kbstvm@ . co.in>, " Conjeevaram Subramanian " <subsavi2001@ >, delhindu@ s.com, " DR.PRASAD RAMKRISHNA " <drprkprasad@ hotmail.com> , gururangan (AT) gmail (DOT) com, HARE_RAM@ s.com, " Haresh (Harry) Nathani " <haresh1405@ . com>, " Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ " <Digest>, , , , , " N.S.Parasuraman " <parasu41 (AT) grouply (DOT) com>, om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, shaneeswara, sheevani147@ .co. uk, vighneshare@ .co. in Thursday, July 16, 2009, 2:34 PM   Saturn’s various special transit effects through Zodiac Houses   Saturn is the only planet which has the title of ‘Eswara’.  The cyclic effect of Sani Paryaya Phala.  Any native with full span of life will experience 3 times, the 7 ½ years, at one length of a time, said to be familier with ‘Sade Sati’. The dicum conveys ‘the sense that Sani Bhagavan gives bad results, with an intermittent of 2 ½ years in full cycle of its travel around Zodiac, of approximately 30 years (inclusive of the periods of his ‘retrogression’), being one full round.  This means that in a round of Zodiac of Saturn movement, Saturn moves 2.1/2 years in each house of Zodiac. It is said, that Saturn gives GOOD results only when it transits through 3,6, and 11th house from the position of Moon in the Natalchart. When he moves in the rest of the houses, Saturn is said to give BAD effects, graded as moderate, not good, bad and evil. On this rate, when we assume that a man lives for 90 years, he would have experienced 3 rounds of ‘Sade Sati’. In these three rounds, taking 2.1/2 years in the above three houses (house, 3,6 & 11 from Moon position) he is benefited for a period of 7.1/2 years in each cycle of transit to complete the cycle of movement in Zodiac. That is, it is said to be good for 22.1/2 years in all, in a life of 90 years of a person. Conversely a person is said to be in ‘not that good’ period for the rest of periods!  I will now explain how intensity of malefic results are distributed during each round: Basics are as follows: 1. Saturn gives good results while traversing in the 3, 6, or 11th house from the natal position of the Moon; 2. Moderate bad results while at 5, 9, or 10th house; 3. “Ardhashatama Sani’, while in 4th House; Considerably bad; 4. “Kanta Saniâ€, while in 7th House; Sani is more malefic than in 4th house , above said; 5. “Ashtama Saniâ€, while in 8th House to be more severe in causing effects; 6. “Sade Satiâ€: While in 12th  House from Moon position, 1st house where moon is positioned in birth chart, and in 2nd house to the Moon occupied House. Out of the above Janma Sani (1st House where Moon is positioned )is the worst effective period. When Saturn transits in other houses, the effects will be comparatively tolerable and subject to remedies and other factors in a horoscope, related to the positions of Planets, Drusti, Transit of other Planets on a given day, the transiting house related to Lagna, Desha, Bukti etc.(In Northern India, Ashtama Sani and Ardhashtama Sani is referred as ‘Kalyani’ and ‘Lagu Kalyani’ respectively) .  Let us get into ‘package’ effects in ‘Sade Sati’ – 7.1/2 years of Saturn transit: A ‘Madyamayur Jathaka’ person will have ‘Sade Sati’ two times maximum. A ‘Alpayush Jathaka’ person will have ‘Sade Sati’ only once. A ‘Purna Ayush Jathaka’ will have 3 or 4 times of ‘Sade Sati’ in all his life. The first perio (7.1/2 years) is ‘Mungu Sani’ – dull Sani; the second period is ‘Pongu Sani’ – overflowing Sani!; The third full period of Sani is ‘Maraka Sani’ - death inflicting Sani.( For some the fourth round Sani could have this term)If so the third Sani period will be termed as ‘Kungu Sani’ – the depressing or disappointing period of Sani’s ‘Sade Sati’.  Apart from the the above another term is prevalent as ‘Anga Sani’ : Here the 7.1/2 years of ‘Sade Sati’ the travel of Saturn is distributed to various parts of body. During this 90 month period, Saturn is said to pass through various parts of body in continuance At the rate of specific few months through each part of body to cause disturbance, anxiety, serious sickness, aggravated health deterioration etc, related to that part of body. Surgery where Mars involved is not excluded.  To be continued…………  I request your interest and understanding on above details for me to continue this article.  Pathi (16 July 2009)    A.V.Pathi,  Astrologer, 'Oxton House', 6, Hawthorn Road,Cherry Willingh am, Lincoln LN3 4JT, United Kingdom .  0044+01522+595996, (consultation fees charged for direct detailed studies) Elec. Money Transfer to: Canara Bank Ashok Nagar Chennai India SB No: 0975101008227. also at: kountinya29@ gmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Sir, What the hell you know about that? 'Chara' means 'movement'. Sani-chara means Sani's movement. That word does not containing any word to indicate 'slow'. Next, Eswara means 'leader'. I had studied 'Mimasa' in Sanskrit Honors, and I do not know what you studied. Saturn is not an exclusive Planet for Tamilians.  I am a Tamilian too. The meaning in Sivacharya's language in vogue in tamil is Ganda - event. Any more details you want? No where, in Tamil authorized Dictionaries' it is said 'Ganda' means 'death'. Take a photo copy of that page and attach it with your mail to me. (Kala-ganda - timely event) Then what do you know about Hinduism? Qualify to say, you are a Hindu, by any quote you know to prove that you know Hinduism. Define 'Hinduism'. Your long nose entered in Astrological corrections when you do say, 'I have mentioned that I am not a big astrologer'. You are not a small astrologer too. Then you talk about Jupiter in 10th house. I never said in my article that people 'should worry about Sani', where as, you only suggested to go to Thirunallaru and do this and do that. Then you say that you wrote on the 'subject', not on my 'predictions'.  I did not write on 'predictions' in that article, while I discussed on 'gradations' of Saturn effects. Now you will realize, how long your nose is, taking a stage to clear all fears on Sani Bhagavan in this human world, with Zero knowledge on the subject in public forum. I wish one should realise their 'adequacies' before coming with 'comments'. Sure, I am wasting my time with you. A.V.Pathi,  Astrologer, 'Oxton House', 6, Hawthorn Road,Cherry Willingham, Lincoln LN3 4JT, United Kingdom .  0044+01522+595996, ________________________________ sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:39:08 PM Re: Saturn's special ref by Tamils  Respceted Sir,  I am not here to find fault in your article. But calling Sani as Eswara will not be liked by Sani himself. The Sanaichara got corrupted as Saneeswara in Tamil.  Ganda Sani denotes middle sani and not Gandam ( death chance) of tamil.  For Long Tamilians are misunderstanding and fearing Sani like this.  I have mentioned that i am not a big astrologer but stand on my knowledge of hinduism.  My Long Nose enterd in to a common forum and not in anybody's private matters.  I stand by what i say. I have nothing personal against you. I have not made any comment on you first article. My worry is people should not fear Sani like this. As far us i know, he delivers what is due as per karma.  It is only expressing views and sharing knowledges. My age is much less tha your experiance. My pranams to you and there is nothing to hurt you.  need to remove such tamil beliefs like Pen Moolam Nirmulam ( meaning moola girl will spoil the family) Pooradam nooladathu ( meaning poorada girls mangal sutra will not be lasting) etc. They are just ryming sentences. Many tamil girls are suffering because of this.  My reply was only in that subject and not on your predictions. We need more such predictions  Regards  Sankar  --- On Thu, 7/16/09, venkatachala pathi <pathiav > wrote: venkatachala pathi <pathiav > Re: Saturn's special transit effects. Thursday, July 16, 2009, 4:29 PM  Dear Mr. Sankaranarayanan, What is that you want to communicate? All in that 'article' I had written is 'rubbish'? Well! what I understood studying this for last 47 years is waste, and one Mr. Sankaranarayanan, come in to tell us some new facts. Please write/correct and complete my article. Your service is welcome. This is how, people like us feel to keep away from sending these 'articles' in a 'forum' as 'greats' are already there with abundant knowledge!!, with 'long' nose too.  A.V.Pathi,  Astrologer, 'Oxton House', 6, Hawthorn Road,Cherry Willingh am, Lincoln LN3 4JT, United Kingdom .  0044+01522+595996, ____________ _________ _________ __ sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ > Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:10:44 AM Re: Saturn's special transit effects.  Respected Gurujis  My humble views on this subject are as under. Though I am not well versed in Astrology, as a student of Hinduism and a Tamilian, will give my views as under. ( I say tamilian because a. Sanskrit words have a different meaning in Tamil b. Tamils give lot of imporatnce to Gochara)  1. Sani Having Easwar title: The word Sanaichara ( slow walker) some how got corrupted in Tamil and became Saneeswara. Then stories spurned around Saturn getting the Eswar title. But all Siva Temples of Tamilandu, he is an humble servant of Shiva and a parivara devata.  2. I have seen period the Ashtama Sani is more dangerous than Sade sathi for many. ( Simillarly the Gurus 10th Position affects job status. Especially for Mesha Rasi, when guru in 10th house ie Mahara, where jupiter becomes weak, even if he is exalated in good houses in the horescope will not help)  3. The sade sati is divided into 3 and in sanskrit called as janma, kanda ( middle) and Pada ( end) This Kanda is confused with Tamil Kanadam ( death possibility) and feared.  4. If Saturn is Lagnadipathi, the sade sathi effect is minimum ( can be good also) and ashtama sthan may not be that worse. If he is Rasiadibathi ( chandra lagna lord) again the periods are not that bad.  5. Sani in 7th house from Chandra Rasi can also be considered a good period.  6. The 5th is also bad but some how the sade sathi, ashtama and ardashtama have over taken in the popular belief.  7. Visiting Thirunallaru brings down the effect . ( i have written earlier also. many people misunderstand the Navgraha temples of Tamilnadu. They are Shiva temples and the presiding Shiva ONLY cures. The curse on each planet was cured in each temple by shiva. In Thirunallaru, when Nala entered the temple, saturn could not follow him inside and have to leave him. that is why Thiru Nala Aru. Aru means cooling, curing, Thiru is Sri in tamil.  Hence , Vinayaga,Shiva and Parvathi to be worshipped first and then the saturn. Also one have to take bath in nala theertham before entering the temple. Please go with empty stomach in the morning and not as a picnic. Saturdays are best but the line takes 5 to 6 hours. If not possible other days are also ok, Bath with gingille oil in the tank and offer ghee for Siva and Parvathy's lamps. Gingelee oil was Sani's lamp)  Regards  Sankar      --- On Thu, 7/16/09, venkatachala pathi <pathiav > wrote: venkatachala pathi <pathiav > Saturn's special transit effects. ancient_indian_ astrology, askyourastroquery@ . com, asthikasamaj, astro_remedies, astroriber@gro ups.com, Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ . co.in, vedic astrology, brahmin_world@ . co.in, " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises@ hathway.com> , " brahimn tvm group " <kbstvm@ . co.in>, " Conjeevaram Subramanian " <subsavi2001@ >, delhindu@ s.com, " DR.PRASAD RAMKRISHNA " <drprkprasad@ hotmail.com> , gururangan (AT) gmail (DOT) com, HARE_RAM@ s.com, " Haresh (Harry) Nathani " <haresh1405@ . com>, " Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ " <Digest>, , , , , " N.S.Parasuraman " <parasu41 (AT) grouply (DOT) com>, om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, shaneeswara, sheevani147@ .co. uk, vighneshare@ .co. in Thursday, July 16, 2009, 2:34 PM   Saturn’s various special transit effects through Zodiac Houses   Saturn is the only planet which has the title of ‘Eswara’.  The cyclic effect of Sani Paryaya Phala.  Any native with full span of life will experience 3 times, the 7 ½ years, at one length of a time, said to be familier with ‘Sade Sati’. The dicum conveys ‘the sense that Sani Bhagavan gives bad results, with an intermittent of 2 ½ years in full cycle of its travel around Zodiac, of approximately 30 years (inclusive of the periods of his ‘retrogression’), being one full round.  This means that in a round of Zodiac of Saturn movement, Saturn moves 2.1/2 years in each house of Zodiac. It is said, that Saturn gives GOOD results only when it transits through 3,6, and 11th house from the position of Moon in the Natalchart. When he moves in the rest of the houses, Saturn is said to give BAD effects, graded as moderate, not good, bad and evil. On this rate, when we assume that a man lives for 90 years, he would have experienced 3 rounds of ‘Sade Sati’. In these three rounds, taking 2.1/2 years in the above three houses (house, 3,6 & 11 from Moon position) he is benefited for a period of 7.1/2 years in each cycle of transit to complete the cycle of movement in Zodiac. That is, it is said to be good for 22.1/2 years in all, in a life of 90 years of a person. Conversely a person is said to be in ‘not that good’ period for the rest of periods!  I will now explain how intensity of malefic results are distributed during each round: Basics are as follows: 1. Saturn gives good results while traversing in the 3, 6, or 11th house from the natal position of the Moon; 2. Moderate bad results while at 5, 9, or 10th house; 3. “Ardhashatama Sani’, while in 4th House; Considerably bad; 4. “Kanta Saniâ€, while in 7th House; Sani is more malefic than in 4th house , above said; 5. “Ashtama Saniâ€, while in 8th House to be more severe in causing effects; 6. “Sade Satiâ€: While in 12th  House from Moon position, 1st house where moon is positioned in birth chart, and in 2nd house to the Moon occupied House. Out of the above Janma Sani (1st House where Moon is positioned )is the worst effective period. When Saturn transits in other houses, the effects will be comparatively tolerable and subject to remedies and other factors in a horoscope, related to the positions of Planets, Drusti, Transit of other Planets on a given day, the transiting house related to Lagna, Desha, Bukti etc.(In Northern India, Ashtama Sani and Ardhashtama Sani is referred as ‘Kalyani’ and ‘Lagu Kalyani’ respectively) .  Let us get into ‘package’ effects in ‘Sade Sati’ – 7.1/2 years of Saturn transit: A ‘Madyamayur Jathaka’ person will have ‘Sade Sati’ two times maximum. A ‘Alpayush Jathaka’ person will have ‘Sade Sati’ only once. A ‘Purna Ayush Jathaka’ will have 3 or 4 times of ‘Sade Sati’ in all his life. The first perio (7.1/2 years) is ‘Mungu Sani’ – dull Sani; the second period is ‘Pongu Sani’ – overflowing Sani!; The third full period of Sani is ‘Maraka Sani’ - death inflicting Sani.( For some the fourth round Sani could have this term)If so the third Sani period will be termed as ‘Kungu Sani’ – the depressing or disappointing period of Sani’s ‘Sade Sati’.  Apart from the the above another term is prevalent as ‘Anga Sani’ : Here the 7.1/2 years of ‘Sade Sati’ the travel of Saturn is distributed to various parts of body. During this 90 month period, Saturn is said to pass through various parts of body in continuance At the rate of specific few months through each part of body to cause disturbance, anxiety, serious sickness, aggravated health deterioration etc, related to that part of body. Surgery where Mars involved is not excluded.  To be continued…………  I request your interest and understanding on above details for me to continue this article.  Pathi (16 July 2009)    A.V.Pathi,  Astrologer, 'Oxton House', 6, Hawthorn Road,Cherry Willingh am, Lincoln LN3 4JT, United Kingdom .  0044+01522+595996, (consultation fees charged for direct detailed studies) Elec. Money Transfer to: Canara Bank Ashok Nagar Chennai India SB No: 0975101008227. also at: kountinya29@ gmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Dear Sankaranarayanan if that is so then point taken but make sure u get the right tonations of the sanskrit words which r corrupted in tamil and put both wil make our lives easy being a milti-linguistic base for many astrologers one versions words must be supported by the pouplar words in sanskrit for clarity as not all can be knowing them. no offence meant prashant ________________________________ sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:09:08 PM Re: Saturn's special ref by Tamils Respceted Sir, I am not here to find fault in your article. But calling Sani as Eswara will not be liked by Sani himself. The Sanaichara got corrupted as Saneeswara in Tamil. Ganda Sani denotes middle sani and not Gandam ( death chance) of tamil. For Long Tamilians are misunderstanding and fearing Sani like this. I have mentioned that i am not a big astrologer but stand on my knowledge of hinduism. My Long Nose enterd in to a common forum and not in anybody's private matters. I stand by what i say. I have nothing personal against you. I have not made any comment on you first article. My worry is people should not fear Sani like this. As far us i know, he delivers what is due as per karma. It is only expressing views and sharing knowledges. My age is much less tha your experiance. My pranams to you and there is nothing to hurt you. need to remove such tamil beliefs like Pen Moolam Nirmulam ( meaning moola girl will spoil the family) Pooradam nooladathu ( meaning poorada girls mangal sutra will not be lasting) etc. They are just ryming sentences. Many tamil girls are suffering because of this. My reply was only in that subject and not on your predictions. We need more such predictions Regards Sankar --- On Thu, 7/16/09, venkatachala pathi <pathiav > wrote: venkatachala pathi <pathiav > Re: Saturn's special transit effects. Thursday, July 16, 2009, 4:29 PM Dear Mr. Sankaranarayanan, What is that you want to communicate? All in that 'article' I had written is 'rubbish'? Well! what I understood studying this for last 47 years is waste, and one Mr. Sankaranarayanan, come in to tell us some new facts. Please write/correct and complete my article. Your service is welcome. This is how, people like us feel to keep away from sending these 'articles' in a 'forum' as 'greats' are already there with abundant knowledge!!, with 'long' nose too. A.V.Pathi, Astrologer, 'Oxton House', 6, Hawthorn Road,Cherry Willingh am, Lincoln LN3 4JT, United Kingdom . 0044+01522+595996, ____________ _________ _________ __ sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ > Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:10:44 AM Re: Saturn's special transit effects. Respected Gurujis My humble views on this subject are as under. Though I am not well versed in Astrology, as a student of Hinduism and a Tamilian, will give my views as under. ( I say tamilian because a. Sanskrit words have a different meaning in Tamil b. Tamils give lot of imporatnce to Gochara) 1. Sani Having Easwar title: The word Sanaichara ( slow walker) some how got corrupted in Tamil and became Saneeswara. Then stories spurned around Saturn getting the Eswar title. But all Siva Temples of Tamilandu, he is an humble servant of Shiva and a parivara devata. 2. I have seen period the Ashtama Sani is more dangerous than Sade sathi for many. ( Simillarly the Gurus 10th Position affects job status. Especially for Mesha Rasi, when guru in 10th house ie Mahara, where jupiter becomes weak, even if he is exalated in good houses in the horescope will not help) 3. The sade sati is divided into 3 and in sanskrit called as janma, kanda ( middle) and Pada ( end) This Kanda is confused with Tamil Kanadam ( death possibility) and feared. 4. If Saturn is Lagnadipathi, the sade sathi effect is minimum ( can be good also) and ashtama sthan may not be that worse. If he is Rasiadibathi ( chandra lagna lord) again the periods are not that bad. 5. Sani in 7th house from Chandra Rasi can also be considered a good period. 6. The 5th is also bad but some how the sade sathi, ashtama and ardashtama have over taken in the popular belief. 7. Visiting Thirunallaru brings down the effect . ( i have written earlier also. many people misunderstand the Navgraha temples of Tamilnadu. They are Shiva temples and the presiding Shiva ONLY cures. The curse on each planet was cured in each temple by shiva. In Thirunallaru, when Nala entered the temple, saturn could not follow him inside and have to leave him. that is why Thiru Nala Aru. Aru means cooling, curing, Thiru is Sri in tamil. Hence , Vinayaga,Shiva and Parvathi to be worshipped first and then the saturn. Also one have to take bath in nala theertham before entering the temple. Please go with empty stomach in the morning and not as a picnic. Saturdays are best but the line takes 5 to 6 hours. If not possible other days are also ok, Bath with gingille oil in the tank and offer ghee for Siva and Parvathy's lamps. Gingelee oil was Sani's lamp) Regards Sankar --- On Thu, 7/16/09, venkatachala pathi <pathiav > wrote: venkatachala pathi <pathiav > Saturn's special transit effects. ancient_indian_ astrology, askyourastroquery@ . com, asthikasamaj, astro_remedies, astroriber@gro ups.com, Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ . co.in, vedic astrology, brahmin_world@ . co.in, " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises@ hathway.com> , " brahimn tvm group " <kbstvm@ . co.in>, " Conjeevaram Subramanian " <subsavi2001@ >, delhindu@ s.com, " DR.PRASAD RAMKRISHNA " <drprkprasad@ hotmail.com> , gururangan (AT) gmail (DOT) com, HARE_RAM@ s.com, " Haresh (Harry) Nathani " <haresh1405@ . com>, " Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ " <Digest>, , , , , " N.S.Parasuraman " <parasu41 (AT) grouply (DOT) com>, om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, shaneeswara, sheevani147@ .co. uk, vighneshare@ .co. in Thursday, July 16, 2009, 2:34 PM Saturn’s various special transit effects through Zodiac Houses Saturn is the only planet which has the title of ‘Eswara’. The cyclic effect of Sani Paryaya Phala. Any native with full span of life will experience 3 times, the 7 ½ years, at one length of a time, said to be familier with ‘Sade Sati’. The dicum conveys ‘the sense that Sani Bhagavan gives bad results, with an intermittent of 2 ½ years in full cycle of its travel around Zodiac, of approximately 30 years (inclusive of the periods of his ‘retrogression’), being one full round. This means that in a round of Zodiac of Saturn movement, Saturn moves 2.1/2 years in each house of Zodiac. It is said, that Saturn gives GOOD results only when it transits through 3,6, and 11th house from the position of Moon in the Natalchart. When he moves in the rest of the houses, Saturn is said to give BAD effects, graded as moderate, not good, bad and evil. On this rate, when we assume that a man lives for 90 years, he would have experienced 3 rounds of ‘Sade Sati’. In these three rounds, taking 2.1/2 years in the above three houses (house, 3,6 & 11 from Moon position) he is benefited for a period of 7.1/2 years in each cycle of transit to complete the cycle of movement in Zodiac. That is, it is said to be good for 22.1/2 years in all, in a life of 90 years of a person. Conversely a person is said to be in ‘not that good’ period for the rest of periods! I will now explain how intensity of malefic results are distributed during each round: Basics are as follows: 1. Saturn gives good results while traversing in the 3, 6, or 11th house from the natal position of the Moon; 2. Moderate bad results while at 5, 9, or 10th house; 3. “Ardhashatama Sani’, while in 4th House; Considerably bad; 4. “Kanta Saniâ€, while in 7th House; Sani is more malefic than in 4th house , above said; 5. “Ashtama Saniâ€, while in 8th House to be more severe in causing effects; 6. “Sade Satiâ€: While in 12th House from Moon position, 1st house where moon is positioned in birth chart, and in 2nd house to the Moon occupied House. Out of the above Janma Sani (1st House where Moon is positioned )is the worst effective period. When Saturn transits in other houses, the effects will be comparatively tolerable and subject to remedies and other factors in a horoscope, related to the positions of Planets, Drusti, Transit of other Planets on a given day, the transiting house related to Lagna, Desha, Bukti etc.(In Northern India, Ashtama Sani and Ardhashtama Sani is referred as ‘Kalyani’ and ‘Lagu Kalyani’ respectively) . Let us get into ‘package’ effects in ‘Sade Sati’ – 7.1/2 years of Saturn transit: A ‘Madyamayur Jathaka’ person will have ‘Sade Sati’ two times maximum. A ‘Alpayush Jathaka’ person will have ‘Sade Sati’ only once. A ‘Purna Ayush Jathaka’ will have 3 or 4 times of ‘Sade Sati’ in all his life. The first perio (7.1/2 years) is ‘Mungu Sani’ – dull Sani; the second period is ‘Pongu Sani’ – overflowing Sani!; The third full period of Sani is ‘Maraka Sani’ - death inflicting Sani.( For some the fourth round Sani could have this term)If so the third Sani period will be termed as ‘Kungu Sani’ – the depressing or disappointing period of Sani’s ‘Sade Sati’. Apart from the the above another term is prevalent as ‘Anga Sani’ : Here the 7.1/2 years of ‘Sade Sati’ the travel of Saturn is distributed to various parts of body. During this 90 month period, Saturn is said to pass through various parts of body in continuance At the rate of specific few months through each part of body to cause disturbance, anxiety, serious sickness, aggravated health deterioration etc, related to that part of body. Surgery where Mars involved is not excluded. To be continued………… I request your interest and understanding on above details for me to continue this article. Pathi (16 July 2009) A.V.Pathi, Astrologer, 'Oxton House', 6, Hawthorn Road,Cherry Willingh am, Lincoln LN3 4JT, United Kingdom . 0044+01522+595996, (consultation fees charged for direct detailed studies) Elec. Money Transfer to: Canara Bank Ashok Nagar Chennai India SB No: 0975101008227. also at: kountinya29@ gmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Respected Sir, Great  Sani is Eshwara. Now meemamsa. Great. Please keep quoting Mimasa, Nyaya, vaiseshika etc.  My questione is - Is Sani Eswara. It is sanaichara. refer the sloka Neelanchana samapasam - " Tam namai sanaicharam "  . Saneswara is a corrupt form and tamils use that form by not knowing the fact.. But calling him as Eswar is not right.  Sani Chara is different. That is Sani's movement. Like Guru Chara, Adi chara etc. From the original quote of Saneeswara you slowly changed track to sanichara. I stand by what i say. Sanaichara is slow mover .  Gandam is death like situation. Any tamilian will say that. Any jyodish will say about gandam.  Please accept that Saneeswaran is a wrong usage. Please do not quote mimamsa., mandan mishra, kumarilla bhatta, tamilian exclusivity etc.  Sani is not Eswara. again dont quote Adisankara and say all are eswara.  Regards  Sankar --- On Thu, 7/16/09, venkatachala pathi <pathiav wrote: venkatachala pathi <pathiav Re: Saturn's special ref by Tamils Thursday, July 16, 2009, 6:09 PM  Sir, What the hell you know about that? 'Chara' means 'movement'. Sani-chara means Sani's movement. That word does not containing any word to indicate 'slow'. Next, Eswara means 'leader'. I had studied 'Mimasa' in Sanskrit Honors, and I do not know what you studied. Saturn is not an exclusive Planet for Tamilians.  I am a Tamilian too. The meaning in Sivacharya's language in vogue in tamil is Ganda - event. Any more details you want? No where, in Tamil authorized Dictionaries' it is said 'Ganda' means 'death' . Take a photo copy of that page and attach it with your mail to me. (Kala-ganda - timely event) Then what do you know about Hinduism? Qualify to say, you are a Hindu, by any quote you know to prove that you know Hinduism. Define 'Hinduism'. Your long nose entered in Astrological corrections when you do say, 'I have mentioned that I am not a big astrologer'. You are not a small astrologer too. Then you talk about Jupiter in 10th house. I never said in my article that people 'should worry about Sani', where as, you only suggested to go to Thirunallaru and do this and do that. Then you say that you wrote on the 'subject', not on my 'predictions' .  I did not write on 'predictions' in that article, while I discussed on 'gradations' of Saturn effects. Now you will realize, how long your nose is, taking a stage to clear all fears on Sani Bhagavan in this human world, with Zero knowledge on the subject in public forum. I wish one should realise their 'adequacies' before coming with 'comments'. Sure, I am wasting my time with you. A.V.Pathi,  Astrologer, 'Oxton House', 6, Hawthorn Road,Cherry Willingh am, Lincoln LN3 4JT, United Kingdom .  0044+01522+595996, ____________ _________ _________ __ sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ > Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:39:08 PM Re: Saturn's special ref by Tamils  Respceted Sir,  I am not here to find fault in your article. But calling Sani as Eswara will not be liked by Sani himself. The Sanaichara got corrupted as Saneeswara in Tamil.  Ganda Sani denotes middle sani and not Gandam ( death chance) of tamil.  For Long Tamilians are misunderstanding and fearing Sani like this.  I have mentioned that i am not a big astrologer but stand on my knowledge of hinduism.  My Long Nose enterd in to a common forum and not in anybody's private matters.  I stand by what i say. I have nothing personal against you. I have not made any comment on you first article. My worry is people should not fear Sani like this. As far us i know, he delivers what is due as per karma.  It is only expressing views and sharing knowledges. My age is much less tha your experiance. My pranams to you and there is nothing to hurt you.  need to remove such tamil beliefs like Pen Moolam Nirmulam ( meaning moola girl will spoil the family) Pooradam nooladathu ( meaning poorada girls mangal sutra will not be lasting) etc. They are just ryming sentences. Many tamil girls are suffering because of this.  My reply was only in that subject and not on your predictions. We need more such predictions  Regards  Sankar  --- On Thu, 7/16/09, venkatachala pathi <pathiav > wrote: venkatachala pathi <pathiav > Re: Saturn's special transit effects. Thursday, July 16, 2009, 4:29 PM  Dear Mr. Sankaranarayanan, What is that you want to communicate? All in that 'article' I had written is 'rubbish'? Well! what I understood studying this for last 47 years is waste, and one Mr. Sankaranarayanan, come in to tell us some new facts. Please write/correct and complete my article. Your service is welcome. This is how, people like us feel to keep away from sending these 'articles' in a 'forum' as 'greats' are already there with abundant knowledge!!, with 'long' nose too.  A.V.Pathi,  Astrologer, 'Oxton House', 6, Hawthorn Road,Cherry Willingh am, Lincoln LN3 4JT, United Kingdom .  0044+01522+595996, ____________ _________ _________ __ sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ > Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:10:44 AM Re: Saturn's special transit effects.  Respected Gurujis  My humble views on this subject are as under. Though I am not well versed in Astrology, as a student of Hinduism and a Tamilian, will give my views as under. ( I say tamilian because a. Sanskrit words have a different meaning in Tamil b. Tamils give lot of imporatnce to Gochara)  1. Sani Having Easwar title: The word Sanaichara ( slow walker) some how got corrupted in Tamil and became Saneeswara. Then stories spurned around Saturn getting the Eswar title. But all Siva Temples of Tamilandu, he is an humble servant of Shiva and a parivara devata.  2. I have seen period the Ashtama Sani is more dangerous than Sade sathi for many. ( Simillarly the Gurus 10th Position affects job status. Especially for Mesha Rasi, when guru in 10th house ie Mahara, where jupiter becomes weak, even if he is exalated in good houses in the horescope will not help)  3. The sade sati is divided into 3 and in sanskrit called as janma, kanda ( middle) and Pada ( end) This Kanda is confused with Tamil Kanadam ( death possibility) and feared.  4. If Saturn is Lagnadipathi, the sade sathi effect is minimum ( can be good also) and ashtama sthan may not be that worse. If he is Rasiadibathi ( chandra lagna lord) again the periods are not that bad.  5. Sani in 7th house from Chandra Rasi can also be considered a good period.  6. The 5th is also bad but some how the sade sathi, ashtama and ardashtama have over taken in the popular belief.  7. Visiting Thirunallaru brings down the effect . ( i have written earlier also. many people misunderstand the Navgraha temples of Tamilnadu. They are Shiva temples and the presiding Shiva ONLY cures. The curse on each planet was cured in each temple by shiva. In Thirunallaru, when Nala entered the temple, saturn could not follow him inside and have to leave him. that is why Thiru Nala Aru. Aru means cooling, curing, Thiru is Sri in tamil.  Hence , Vinayaga,Shiva and Parvathi to be worshipped first and then the saturn. Also one have to take bath in nala theertham before entering the temple. Please go with empty stomach in the morning and not as a picnic. Saturdays are best but the line takes 5 to 6 hours. If not possible other days are also ok, Bath with gingille oil in the tank and offer ghee for Siva and Parvathy's lamps. Gingelee oil was Sani's lamp)  Regards  Sankar      --- On Thu, 7/16/09, venkatachala pathi <pathiav > wrote: venkatachala pathi <pathiav > Saturn's special transit effects. ancient_indian_ astrology, askyourastroquery@ . com, asthikasamaj, astro_remedies, astroriber@gro ups.com, Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ . co.in, vedic astrology, brahmin_world@ . co.in, " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises@ hathway.com> , " brahimn tvm group " <kbstvm@ . co.in>, " Conjeevaram Subramanian " <subsavi2001@ >, delhindu@ s.com, " DR.PRASAD RAMKRISHNA " <drprkprasad@ hotmail.com> , gururangan (AT) gmail (DOT) com, HARE_RAM@ s.com, " Haresh (Harry) Nathani " <haresh1405@ . com>, " Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ " <Digest>, , , , , " N.S.Parasuraman " <parasu41 (AT) grouply (DOT) com>, om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, shaneeswara, sheevani147@ .co. uk, vighneshare@ .co. in Thursday, July 16, 2009, 2:34 PM   Saturn’s various special transit effects through Zodiac Houses   Saturn is the only planet which has the title of ‘Eswara’.  The cyclic effect of Sani Paryaya Phala.  Any native with full span of life will experience 3 times, the 7 ½ years, at one length of a time, said to be familier with ‘Sade Sati’. The dicum conveys ‘the sense that Sani Bhagavan gives bad results, with an intermittent of 2 ½ years in full cycle of its travel around Zodiac, of approximately 30 years (inclusive of the periods of his ‘retrogression’), being one full round.  This means that in a round of Zodiac of Saturn movement, Saturn moves 2.1/2 years in each house of Zodiac. It is said, that Saturn gives GOOD results only when it transits through 3,6, and 11th house from the position of Moon in the Natalchart. When he moves in the rest of the houses, Saturn is said to give BAD effects, graded as moderate, not good, bad and evil. On this rate, when we assume that a man lives for 90 years, he would have experienced 3 rounds of ‘Sade Sati’. In these three rounds, taking 2.1/2 years in the above three houses (house, 3,6 & 11 from Moon position) he is benefited for a period of 7.1/2 years in each cycle of transit to complete the cycle of movement in Zodiac. That is, it is said to be good for 22.1/2 years in all, in a life of 90 years of a person. Conversely a person is said to be in ‘not that good’ period for the rest of periods!  I will now explain how intensity of malefic results are distributed during each round: Basics are as follows: 1. Saturn gives good results while traversing in the 3, 6, or 11th house from the natal position of the Moon; 2. Moderate bad results while at 5, 9, or 10th house; 3. “Ardhashatama Sani’, while in 4th House; Considerably bad; 4. “Kanta Saniâ€, while in 7th House; Sani is more malefic than in 4th house , above said; 5. “Ashtama Saniâ€, while in 8th House to be more severe in causing effects; 6. “Sade Satiâ€: While in 12th  House from Moon position, 1st house where moon is positioned in birth chart, and in 2nd house to the Moon occupied House. Out of the above Janma Sani (1st House where Moon is positioned )is the worst effective period. When Saturn transits in other houses, the effects will be comparatively tolerable and subject to remedies and other factors in a horoscope, related to the positions of Planets, Drusti, Transit of other Planets on a given day, the transiting house related to Lagna, Desha, Bukti etc.(In Northern India, Ashtama Sani and Ardhashtama Sani is referred as ‘Kalyani’ and ‘Lagu Kalyani’ respectively) .  Let us get into ‘package’ effects in ‘Sade Sati’ – 7.1/2 years of Saturn transit: A ‘Madyamayur Jathaka’ person will have ‘Sade Sati’ two times maximum. A ‘Alpayush Jathaka’ person will have ‘Sade Sati’ only once. A ‘Purna Ayush Jathaka’ will have 3 or 4 times of ‘Sade Sati’ in all his life. The first perio (7.1/2 years) is ‘Mungu Sani’ – dull Sani; the second period is ‘Pongu Sani’ – overflowing Sani!; The third full period of Sani is ‘Maraka Sani’ - death inflicting Sani.( For some the fourth round Sani could have this term)If so the third Sani period will be termed as ‘Kungu Sani’ – the depressing or disappointing period of Sani’s ‘Sade Sati’.  Apart from the the above another term is prevalent as ‘Anga Sani’ : Here the 7.1/2 years of ‘Sade Sati’ the travel of Saturn is distributed to various parts of body. During this 90 month period, Saturn is said to pass through various parts of body in continuance At the rate of specific few months through each part of body to cause disturbance, anxiety, serious sickness, aggravated health deterioration etc, related to that part of body. Surgery where Mars involved is not excluded.  To be continued…………  I request your interest and understanding on above details for me to continue this article.  Pathi (16 July 2009)    A.V.Pathi,  Astrologer, 'Oxton House', 6, Hawthorn Road,Cherry Willingh am, Lincoln LN3 4JT, United Kingdom .  0044+01522+595996, (consultation fees charged for direct detailed studies) Elec. Money Transfer to: Canara Bank Ashok Nagar Chennai India SB No: 0975101008227. also at: kountinya29@ gmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 ||Jai Ramakrishna|| Dear Mr.Pathi, With due respect to your knowledge & age, the word is " Shanaish-chara " which if broken it gives " Shanai " + " Chara " --chara meaning movement as you said, however, Shanai means, slow, which I learnt before. I have no degree--neither in Sanskrit nor in Astrology. Thank you, Gaurav. , venkatachala pathi <pathiav wrote: > > Sir, > > What the hell you know about that? 'Chara' means 'movement'. Sani-chara means Sani's movement. That word does not containing any word to indicate 'slow'. Next, Eswara means 'leader'. I had studied 'Mimasa' in Sanskrit Honors, and I do not know what you studied. > > Saturn is not an exclusive Planet for Tamilians.  I am a Tamilian too. The meaning in Sivacharya's language in vogue in tamil is Ganda - event. Any more details you want? No where, in Tamil authorized Dictionaries' it is said 'Ganda' means 'death'. Take a photo copy of that page and attach it with your mail to me. (Kala-ganda - timely event) > > Then what do you know about Hinduism? Qualify to say, you are a Hindu, by any quote you know to prove that you know Hinduism. Define 'Hinduism'. Your long nose entered in Astrological corrections when you do say, 'I have mentioned that I am not a big astrologer'. You are not a small astrologer too. Then you talk about Jupiter in 10th house. > > I never said in my article that people 'should worry about Sani', where as, you only suggested to go to Thirunallaru and do this and do that. Then you say that you wrote on the 'subject', not on my 'predictions'.  I did not write on 'predictions' in that article, while I discussed on 'gradations' of Saturn effects. Now you will realize, how long your nose is, taking a stage to clear all fears on Sani Bhagavan in this human world, with Zero knowledge on the subject in public forum. > > I wish one should realise their 'adequacies' before coming with 'comments'. Sure, I am wasting my time with you. > A.V.Pathi,  > Astrologer, 'Oxton House', 6, Hawthorn Road,Cherry Willingham, > Lincoln LN3 4JT, United Kingdom .  0044+01522+595996, > > > > > ________________________________ > sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan > > Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:39:08 PM > Re: Saturn's special ref by Tamils > >  > Respceted Sir, >  > I am not here to find fault in your article. But calling Sani as Eswara will not be liked by Sani himself. The Sanaichara got corrupted as Saneeswara in Tamil. >  > Ganda Sani denotes middle sani and not Gandam ( death chance) of tamil. >  > For Long Tamilians are misunderstanding and fearing Sani like this. >  > I have mentioned that i am not a big astrologer but stand on my knowledge of hinduism. >  > My Long Nose enterd in to a common forum and not in anybody's private matters. >  > I stand by what i say. I have nothing personal against you. I have not made any comment on you first article. My worry is people should not fear Sani like this. As far us i know, he delivers what is due as per karma. >  > It is only expressing views and sharing knowledges. My age is much less tha your experiance. My pranams to you and there is nothing to hurt you. >  > need to remove such tamil beliefs like Pen Moolam Nirmulam ( meaning moola girl will spoil the family) Pooradam nooladathu ( meaning poorada girls mangal sutra will not be lasting) > etc. They are just ryming sentences. Many tamil girls are suffering because of this. >  > My reply was only in that subject and not on your predictions. We need more such predictions >  > Regards >  > Sankar > >  > > --- On Thu, 7/16/09, venkatachala pathi <pathiav > wrote: > > venkatachala pathi <pathiav > > Re: Saturn's special transit effects. > > Thursday, July 16, 2009, 4:29 PM > >  > > Dear Mr. Sankaranarayanan, > > What is that you want to communicate? All in that 'article' I had written is 'rubbish'? > Well! what I understood studying this for last 47 years is waste, and one Mr. Sankaranarayanan, come in to tell us some new facts. > Please write/correct and complete my article. Your service is welcome. This is how, people like us feel to keep away from sending these 'articles' in a 'forum' as 'greats' are already there with abundant knowledge!!, with 'long' nose too. >  > A.V.Pathi,  > Astrologer, 'Oxton House', 6, Hawthorn Road,Cherry Willingh am, > Lincoln LN3 4JT, United Kingdom .  0044+01522+595996, > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ > > > Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:10:44 AM > Re: Saturn's special transit effects. > >  > Respected Gurujis >  > My humble views on this subject are as under. Though I am not well versed in Astrology, as a student of Hinduism and a Tamilian, will give my views as under. ( I say tamilian because a. Sanskrit words have a different meaning in Tamil b. Tamils give lot of imporatnce to Gochara) >  > 1. Sani Having Easwar title: The word Sanaichara ( slow walker) some how got corrupted in > Tamil and became Saneeswara. Then stories spurned around Saturn getting the Eswar title. But all Siva Temples of Tamilandu, he is an humble servant of Shiva and a parivara devata. >  > 2. I have seen period the Ashtama Sani is more dangerous than Sade sathi for many. ( Simillarly the Gurus 10th Position affects job status. Especially for Mesha Rasi, when guru in 10th house ie Mahara, where jupiter becomes weak, even if he is exalated in good houses in the horescope will not help) >  > 3. The sade sati is divided into 3 and in sanskrit called as janma, kanda ( middle) and Pada ( end) This Kanda is confused with Tamil Kanadam ( death possibility) and feared. >  > 4. If Saturn is Lagnadipathi, the sade sathi effect is minimum ( can be good also) and ashtama sthan may not be that worse. If he is Rasiadibathi ( chandra lagna lord) again the periods are not that bad. >  > 5. Sani in 7th house from Chandra Rasi can also be considered a good period. >  > 6. The 5th is also bad but some how the sade sathi, ashtama and ardashtama have over taken in the popular belief. >  > 7. Visiting Thirunallaru brings down the effect . ( i have written earlier also. many people misunderstand the Navgraha temples of Tamilnadu. They are Shiva temples and the presiding Shiva ONLY cures. The curse on each planet was cured in each temple by shiva. In Thirunallaru, when Nala entered the temple, saturn could not follow him inside and have to leave him. that is why Thiru Nala Aru. Aru means cooling, curing, Thiru is Sri in tamil.  Hence , Vinayaga,Shiva and Parvathi to be worshipped first and then the saturn. Also one have to take bath in nala theertham before entering the temple. Please go with empty stomach in the morning and not as a picnic. Saturdays are best but the line takes 5 to 6 hours. If not possible other days are also ok, Bath with gingille oil in the tank and offer ghee for Siva and Parvathy's lamps. Gingelee oil was Sani's lamp) >  > Regards >  > Sankar >  >  >  >  >  > > --- On Thu, 7/16/09, venkatachala pathi <pathiav > wrote: > > venkatachala pathi <pathiav > > Saturn's special transit effects. > ancient_indian_ astrology, askyourastroquery@ . com, asthikasamaj, astro_remedies@ . com, astroriber@gro ups.com, Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ . co.in, vedic astrology, brahmin_world@ . co.in, " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises@ hathway.com> , " brahimn tvm group " <kbstvm@ . co.in>, " Conjeevaram Subramanian " <subsavi2001@ >, delhindu@ s.com, " DR.PRASAD RAMKRISHNA " <drprkprasad@ hotmail.com> , gururangan (AT) gmail (DOT) com, HARE_RAM@ s.com, " Haresh (Harry) Nathani " <haresh1405>, " Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ " <Digest>, , @ . com, , @ . com, " N.S.Parasuraman " <parasu41 (AT) grouply (DOT) com>, om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, shaneeswara, sheevani147@ .co. uk, > vighneshare@ .co. in > Thursday, July 16, 2009, 2:34 PM > >  > >  > Saturn’s various special transit effects through Zodiac Houses >  >  > Saturn is the only planet which has the title of ‘Eswara’. >  > The cyclic effect of Sani Paryaya Phala. >  > Any native with full span of life will experience 3 times, the 7 ½ years, at one length of a time, said to be familier with ‘Sade Sati’. The dicum conveys ‘the sense that Sani Bhagavan gives bad results, with an intermittent of 2 ½ years in full cycle of its travel around Zodiac, of approximately 30 years (inclusive of the periods of his ‘retrogression’), being one full round. >  > This means that in a round of Zodiac of Saturn movement, Saturn moves 2.1/2 years in each house of Zodiac. It is said, that Saturn gives GOOD results only when it transits through 3,6, and 11th house from the position of Moon in the Natalchart. When he moves in the rest of the houses, Saturn is said to give BAD effects, graded as moderate, not good, bad and evil. On this rate, when we assume that a man lives for 90 years, he would have experienced 3 rounds of ‘Sade Sati’. In these three rounds, taking 2.1/2 years in the above three houses (house, 3,6 & 11 from Moon position) he is benefited for a period of 7.1/2 years in each cycle of transit to complete the cycle of movement in Zodiac. That is, it is said to be good for 22.1/2 years in all, in a life of 90 years of a person. Conversely a person is said to be in ‘not that good’ period for the rest of periods! >  > I will now explain how intensity of malefic results are distributed during each round: Basics are as follows: > 1. Saturn gives good results while traversing in the 3, 6, or 11th house from the natal position of the Moon; > 2. Moderate bad results while at 5, 9, or 10th house; > 3. “Ardhashatama Sani’, while in 4th House; Considerably bad; > 4. “Kanta Saniâ€, while in 7th House; Sani is more malefic than in 4th house , above said; > 5. “Ashtama Saniâ€, while in 8th House to be more severe in causing effects; > 6. “Sade Satiâ€: While in 12th  House from Moon position, 1st house where moon is positioned in birth chart, and in 2nd house to the Moon occupied House. > Out of the above Janma Sani (1st House where Moon is positioned )is the worst effective period. > When Saturn transits in other houses, the effects will be comparatively tolerable and subject to remedies and other factors in a horoscope, related to the positions of Planets, Drusti, Transit of other Planets on a given day, the transiting house related to Lagna, Desha, Bukti etc.(In Northern India, Ashtama Sani and Ardhashtama Sani is referred as ‘Kalyani’ and ‘Lagu Kalyani’ respectively) . >  > Let us get into ‘package’ effects in ‘Sade Sati’ †" 7.1/2 years of Saturn transit: > A ‘Madyamayur Jathaka’ person will have ‘Sade Sati’ two times maximum. > A ‘Alpayush Jathaka’ person will have ‘Sade Sati’ only once. > A ‘Purna Ayush Jathaka’ will have 3 or 4 times of ‘Sade Sati’ in all his life. > The first perio (7.1/2 years) is ‘Mungu Sani’ †" dull Sani; the second period is ‘Pongu Sani’ †" overflowing Sani!; The third full period of Sani is ‘Maraka Sani’ - death inflicting Sani.( For some the fourth round Sani could have this term)If so the third Sani period will be termed as ‘Kungu Sani’ †" the depressing or disappointing period of Sani’s ‘Sade Sati’. >  > Apart from the the above another term is prevalent as ‘Anga Sani’ : Here the 7.1/2 years of ‘Sade Sati’ the travel of Saturn is distributed to various parts of body. During this 90 month period, Saturn is said to pass through various parts of body in continuance At the rate of specific few months through each part of body to cause disturbance, anxiety, serious sickness, aggravated health deterioration etc, related to that part of body. Surgery where Mars involved is not excluded. >  > To be continued………… >  > I request your interest and understanding on above details for me to continue this article. >  > Pathi (16 July 2009) >  >  >  > A.V.Pathi,  > Astrologer, 'Oxton House', 6, Hawthorn Road,Cherry Willingh am, > Lincoln LN3 4JT, United Kingdom .  0044+01522+595996, > (consultation fees charged for direct detailed studies) > Elec. Money Transfer to: > Canara Bank Ashok Nagar Chennai India SB No: 0975101008227. > also at: kountinya29@ gmail.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Sir, Thank you very mcuh.  Regards. A.V.Pathi,  ________________________________ <gaurav.ghosh Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:29:01 PM Re: Saturn's special ref by Tamils  ||Jai Ramakrishna| | Dear Mr.Pathi, With due respect to your knowledge & age, the word is " Shanaish-chara " which if broken it gives " Shanai " + " Chara " --chara meaning movement as you said, however, Shanai means, slow, which I learnt before. I have no degree--neither in Sanskrit nor in Astrology. Thank you, Gaurav. , venkatachala pathi <pathiav > wrote: > > Sir, > > What the hell you know about that? 'Chara' means 'movement'. Sani-chara means Sani's movement. That word does not containing any word to indicate 'slow'. Next, Eswara means 'leader'. I had studied 'Mimasa' in Sanskrit Honors, and I do not know what you studied. > > Saturn is not an exclusive Planet for Tamilians.  I am a Tamilian too. The meaning in Sivacharya's language in vogue in tamil is Ganda - event. Any more details you want? No where, in Tamil authorized Dictionaries' it is said 'Ganda' means 'death' . Take a photo copy of that page and attach it with your mail to me. (Kala-ganda - timely event) > > Then what do you know about Hinduism? Qualify to say, you are a Hindu, by any quote you know to prove that you know Hinduism. Define 'Hinduism'. Your long nose entered in Astrological corrections when you do say, 'I have mentioned that I am not a big astrologer'. You are not a small astrologer too. Then you talk about Jupiter in 10th house. > > I never said in my article that people 'should worry about Sani', where as, you only suggested to go to Thirunallaru and do this and do that. Then you say that you wrote on the 'subject', not on my 'predictions' .  I did not write on 'predictions' in that article, while I discussed on 'gradations' of Saturn effects. Now you will realize, how long your nose is, taking a stage to clear all fears on Sani Bhagavan in this human world, with Zero knowledge on the subject in public forum. > > I wish one should realise their 'adequacies' before coming with 'comments'. Sure, I am wasting my time with you. > A.V.Pathi,  > Astrologer, 'Oxton House', 6, Hawthorn Road,Cherry Willingh am, > Lincoln LN3 4JT, United Kingdom .  0044+01522+595996, > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ ...> > > Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:39:08 PM > Re: Saturn's special ref by Tamils > >  > Respceted Sir, >  > I am not here to find fault in your article. But calling Sani as Eswara will not be liked by Sani himself. The Sanaichara got corrupted as Saneeswara in Tamil. >  > Ganda Sani denotes middle sani and not Gandam ( death chance) of tamil. >  > For Long Tamilians are misunderstanding and fearing Sani like this. >  > I have mentioned that i am not a big astrologer but stand on my knowledge of hinduism. >  > My Long Nose enterd in to a common forum and not in anybody's private matters. >  > I stand by what i say. I have nothing personal against you. I have not made any comment on you first article. My worry is people should not fear Sani like this. As far us i know, he delivers what is due as per karma. >  > It is only expressing views and sharing knowledges. My age is much less tha your experiance. My pranams to you and there is nothing to hurt you. >  > need to remove such tamil beliefs like Pen Moolam Nirmulam ( meaning moola girl will spoil the family) Pooradam nooladathu ( meaning poorada girls mangal sutra will not be lasting) > etc. They are just ryming sentences. Many tamil girls are suffering because of this. >  > My reply was only in that subject and not on your predictions. We need more such predictions >  > Regards >  > Sankar > >  > > --- On Thu, 7/16/09, venkatachala pathi <pathiav > wrote: > > venkatachala pathi <pathiav > > Re: Saturn's special transit effects. > > Thursday, July 16, 2009, 4:29 PM > >  > > Dear Mr. Sankaranarayanan, > > What is that you want to communicate? All in that 'article' I had written is 'rubbish'? > Well! what I understood studying this for last 47 years is waste, and one Mr. Sankaranarayanan, come in to tell us some new facts. > Please write/correct and complete my article. Your service is welcome. This is how, people like us feel to keep away from sending these 'articles' in a 'forum' as 'greats' are already there with abundant knowledge!!, with 'long' nose too. >  > A.V.Pathi,  > Astrologer, 'Oxton House', 6, Hawthorn Road,Cherry Willingh am, > Lincoln LN3 4JT, United Kingdom .  0044+01522+595996, > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ > > > Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:10:44 AM > Re: Saturn's special transit effects. > >  > Respected Gurujis >  > My humble views on this subject are as under. Though I am not well versed in Astrology, as a student of Hinduism and a Tamilian, will give my views as under. ( I say tamilian because a. Sanskrit words have a different meaning in Tamil b. Tamils give lot of imporatnce to Gochara) >  > 1. Sani Having Easwar title: The word Sanaichara ( slow walker) some how got corrupted in > Tamil and became Saneeswara. Then stories spurned around Saturn getting the Eswar title. But all Siva Temples of Tamilandu, he is an humble servant of Shiva and a parivara devata. >  > 2. I have seen period the Ashtama Sani is more dangerous than Sade sathi for many. ( Simillarly the Gurus 10th Position affects job status. Especially for Mesha Rasi, when guru in 10th house ie Mahara, where jupiter becomes weak, even if he is exalated in good houses in the horescope will not help) >  > 3. The sade sati is divided into 3 and in sanskrit called as janma, kanda ( middle) and Pada ( end) This Kanda is confused with Tamil Kanadam ( death possibility) and feared. >  > 4. If Saturn is Lagnadipathi, the sade sathi effect is minimum ( can be good also) and ashtama sthan may not be that worse. If he is Rasiadibathi ( chandra lagna lord) again the periods are not that bad. >  > 5. Sani in 7th house from Chandra Rasi can also be considered a good period. >  > 6. The 5th is also bad but some how the sade sathi, ashtama and ardashtama have over taken in the popular belief. >  > 7. Visiting Thirunallaru brings down the effect . ( i have written earlier also. many people misunderstand the Navgraha temples of Tamilnadu. They are Shiva temples and the presiding Shiva ONLY cures. The curse on each planet was cured in each temple by shiva. In Thirunallaru, when Nala entered the temple, saturn could not follow him inside and have to leave him. that is why Thiru Nala Aru. Aru means cooling, curing, Thiru is Sri in tamil.  Hence , Vinayaga,Shiva and Parvathi to be worshipped first and then the saturn. Also one have to take bath in nala theertham before entering the temple. Please go with empty stomach in the morning and not as a picnic. Saturdays are best but the line takes 5 to 6 hours. If not possible other days are also ok, Bath with gingille oil in the tank and offer ghee for Siva and Parvathy's lamps. Gingelee oil was Sani's lamp) >  > Regards >  > Sankar >  >  >  >  >  > > --- On Thu, 7/16/09, venkatachala pathi <pathiav > wrote: > > venkatachala pathi <pathiav > > Saturn's special transit effects. > ancient_indian_ astrology, askyourastroquery@ . com, asthikasamaj, astro_remedies@ . com, astroriber@gro ups.com, Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ . co.in, vedic astrology, brahmin_world@ . co.in, " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises@ hathway.com> , " brahimn tvm group " <kbstvm@ . co.in>, " Conjeevaram Subramanian " <subsavi2001@ >, delhindu@ s.com, " DR.PRASAD RAMKRISHNA " <drprkprasad@ hotmail.com> , gururangan (AT) gmail (DOT) com, HARE_RAM@ s.com, " Haresh (Harry) Nathani " <haresh1405>, " Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ " <Digest>, , @ . com, , @ . com, " N.S.Parasuraman " <parasu41 (AT) grouply (DOT) com>, om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, shaneeswara, sheevani147@ .co. uk, > vighneshare@ .co. in > Thursday, July 16, 2009, 2:34 PM > >  > >  > Saturn’s various special transit effects through Zodiac Houses >  >  > Saturn is the only planet which has the title of ‘Eswara’. >  > The cyclic effect of Sani Paryaya Phala. >  > Any native with full span of life will experience 3 times, the 7 ½ years, at one length of a time, said to be familier with ‘Sade Sati’. The dicum conveys ‘the sense that Sani Bhagavan gives bad results, with an intermittent of 2 ½ years in full cycle of its travel around Zodiac, of approximately 30 years (inclusive of the periods of his ‘retrogression’), being one full round. >  > This means that in a round of Zodiac of Saturn movement, Saturn moves 2.1/2 years in each house of Zodiac. It is said, that Saturn gives GOOD results only when it transits through 3,6, and 11th house from the position of Moon in the Natalchart. When he moves in the rest of the houses, Saturn is said to give BAD effects, graded as moderate, not good, bad and evil. On this rate, when we assume that a man lives for 90 years, he would have experienced 3 rounds of ‘Sade Sati’. In these three rounds, taking 2.1/2 years in the above three houses (house, 3,6 & 11 from Moon position) he is benefited for a period of 7.1/2 years in each cycle of transit to complete the cycle of movement in Zodiac. That is, it is said to be good for 22.1/2 years in all, in a life of 90 years of a person. Conversely a person is said to be in ‘not that good’ period for the rest of periods! >  > I will now explain how intensity of malefic results are distributed during each round: Basics are as follows: > 1. Saturn gives good results while traversing in the 3, 6, or 11th house from the natal position of the Moon; > 2. Moderate bad results while at 5, 9, or 10th house; > 3. “Ardhashatama Sani’, while in 4th House; Considerably bad; > 4. “Kanta Saniâ€�, while in 7th House; Sani is more malefic than in 4th house , above said; > 5. “Ashtama Saniâ€�, while in 8th House to be more severe in causing effects; > 6. “Sade Satiâ€�: While in 12th  House from Moon position, 1st house where moon is positioned in birth chart, and in 2nd house to the Moon occupied House. > Out of the above Janma Sani (1st House where Moon is positioned )is the worst effective period. > When Saturn transits in other houses, the effects will be comparatively tolerable and subject to remedies and other factors in a horoscope, related to the positions of Planets, Drusti, Transit of other Planets on a given day, the transiting house related to Lagna, Desha, Bukti etc.(In Northern India, Ashtama Sani and Ardhashtama Sani is referred as ‘Kalyani’ and ‘Lagu Kalyani’ respectively) . >  > Let us get into ‘package’ effects in ‘Sade Sati’ †" 7.1/2 years of Saturn transit: > A ‘Madyamayur Jathaka’ person will have ‘Sade Sati’ two times maximum. > A ‘Alpayush Jathaka’ person will have ‘Sade Sati’ only once. > A ‘Purna Ayush Jathaka’ will have 3 or 4 times of ‘Sade Sati’ in all his life. > The first perio (7.1/2 years) is ‘Mungu Sani’ †" dull Sani; the second period is ‘Pongu Sani’ †" overflowing Sani!; The third full period of Sani is ‘Maraka Sani’ - death inflicting Sani.( For some the fourth round Sani could have this term)If so the third Sani period will be termed as ‘Kungu Sani’ †" the depressing or disappointing period of Sani’s ‘Sade Sati’. >  > Apart from the the above another term is prevalent as ‘Anga Sani’ : Here the 7.1/2 years of ‘Sade Sati’ the travel of Saturn is distributed to various parts of body. During this 90 month period, Saturn is said to pass through various parts of body in continuance At the rate of specific few months through each part of body to cause disturbance, anxiety, serious sickness, aggravated health deterioration etc, related to that part of body. Surgery where Mars involved is not excluded. >  > To be continued………… >  > I request your interest and understanding on above details for me to continue this article. >  > Pathi (16 July 2009) >  >  >  > A.V.Pathi,  > Astrologer, 'Oxton House', 6, Hawthorn Road,Cherry Willingh am, > Lincoln LN3 4JT, United Kingdom .  0044+01522+595996, > (consultation fees charged for direct detailed studies) > Elec. Money Transfer to: > Canara Bank Ashok Nagar Chennai India SB No: 0975101008227. > also at: kountinya29@ gmail.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Dear Gaurav, Degrees do not assume, express or assure understanding! Deeds do! One reading at a time! Be Well, RR , " " <gaurav.ghosh wrote: > > ||Jai Ramakrishna|| > Dear Mr.Pathi, > With due respect to your knowledge & age, the word is " Shanaish-chara " which if broken it gives " Shanai " + " Chara " --chara meaning movement as you said, however, Shanai means, slow, which I learnt before. > I have no degree--neither in Sanskrit nor in Astrology. > Thank you, > Gaurav. > > , venkatachala pathi <pathiav@> wrote: > > > > Sir, > > > > What the hell you know about that? 'Chara' means 'movement'. Sani-chara means Sani's movement. That word does not containing any word to indicate 'slow'. Next, Eswara means 'leader'. I had studied 'Mimasa' in Sanskrit Honors, and I do not know what you studied. > > > > Saturn is not an exclusive Planet for Tamilians.  I am a Tamilian too. The meaning in Sivacharya's language in vogue in tamil is Ganda - event. Any more details you want? No where, in Tamil authorized Dictionaries' it is said 'Ganda' means 'death'. Take a photo copy of that page and attach it with your mail to me. (Kala-ganda - timely event) > > > > Then what do you know about Hinduism? Qualify to say, you are a Hindu, by any quote you know to prove that you know Hinduism. Define 'Hinduism'. Your long nose entered in Astrological corrections when you do say, 'I have mentioned that I am not a big astrologer'. You are not a small astrologer too. Then you talk about Jupiter in 10th house. > > > > I never said in my article that people 'should worry about Sani', where as, you only suggested to go to Thirunallaru and do this and do that. Then you say that you wrote on the 'subject', not on my 'predictions'.  I did not write on 'predictions' in that article, while I discussed on 'gradations' of Saturn effects. Now you will realize, how long your nose is, taking a stage to clear all fears on Sani Bhagavan in this human world, with Zero knowledge on the subject in public forum. > > > > I wish one should realise their 'adequacies' before coming with 'comments'. Sure, I am wasting my time with you. > > A.V.Pathi,  > > Astrologer, 'Oxton House', 6, Hawthorn Road,Cherry Willingham, > > Lincoln LN3 4JT, United Kingdom .  0044+01522+595996, > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@> > > > > Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:39:08 PM > > Re: Saturn's special ref by Tamils > > > >  > > Respceted Sir, > >  > > I am not here to find fault in your article. But calling Sani as Eswara will not be liked by Sani himself. The Sanaichara got corrupted as Saneeswara in Tamil. > >  > > Ganda Sani denotes middle sani and not Gandam ( death chance) of tamil. > >  > > For Long Tamilians are misunderstanding and fearing Sani like this. > >  > > I have mentioned that i am not a big astrologer but stand on my knowledge of hinduism. > >  > > My Long Nose enterd in to a common forum and not in anybody's private matters. > >  > > I stand by what i say. I have nothing personal against you. I have not made any comment on you first article. My worry is people should not fear Sani like this. As far us i know, he delivers what is due as per karma. > >  > > It is only expressing views and sharing knowledges. My age is much less tha your experiance. My pranams to you and there is nothing to hurt you. > >  > > need to remove such tamil beliefs like Pen Moolam Nirmulam ( meaning moola girl will spoil the family) Pooradam nooladathu ( meaning poorada girls mangal sutra will not be lasting) > > etc. They are just ryming sentences. Many tamil girls are suffering because of this. > >  > > My reply was only in that subject and not on your predictions. We need more such predictions > >  > > Regards > >  > > Sankar > > > >  > > > > --- On Thu, 7/16/09, venkatachala pathi <pathiav > wrote: > > > > venkatachala pathi <pathiav > > > Re: Saturn's special transit effects. > > > > Thursday, July 16, 2009, 4:29 PM > > > >  > > > > Dear Mr. Sankaranarayanan, > > > > What is that you want to communicate? All in that 'article' I had written is 'rubbish'? > > Well! what I understood studying this for last 47 years is waste, and one Mr. Sankaranarayanan, come in to tell us some new facts. > > Please write/correct and complete my article. Your service is welcome. This is how, people like us feel to keep away from sending these 'articles' in a 'forum' as 'greats' are already there with abundant knowledge!!, with 'long' nose too. > >  > > A.V.Pathi,  > > Astrologer, 'Oxton House', 6, Hawthorn Road,Cherry Willingh am, > > Lincoln LN3 4JT, United Kingdom .  0044+01522+595996, > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ > > > > > Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:10:44 AM > > Re: Saturn's special transit effects. > > > >  > > Respected Gurujis > >  > > My humble views on this subject are as under. Though I am not well versed in Astrology, as a student of Hinduism and a Tamilian, will give my views as under. ( I say tamilian because a. Sanskrit words have a different meaning in Tamil b. Tamils give lot of imporatnce to Gochara) > >  > > 1. Sani Having Easwar title: The word Sanaichara ( slow walker) some how got corrupted in > > Tamil and became Saneeswara. Then stories spurned around Saturn getting the Eswar title. But all Siva Temples of Tamilandu, he is an humble servant of Shiva and a parivara devata. > >  > > 2. I have seen period the Ashtama Sani is more dangerous than Sade sathi for many. ( Simillarly the Gurus 10th Position affects job status. Especially for Mesha Rasi, when guru in 10th house ie Mahara, where jupiter becomes weak, even if he is exalated in good houses in the horescope will not help) > >  > > 3. The sade sati is divided into 3 and in sanskrit called as janma, kanda ( middle) and Pada ( end) This Kanda is confused with Tamil Kanadam ( death possibility) and feared. > >  > > 4. If Saturn is Lagnadipathi, the sade sathi effect is minimum ( can be good also) and ashtama sthan may not be that worse. If he is Rasiadibathi ( chandra lagna lord) again the periods are not that bad. > >  > > 5. Sani in 7th house from Chandra Rasi can also be considered a good period. > >  > > 6. The 5th is also bad but some how the sade sathi, ashtama and ardashtama have over taken in the popular belief. > >  > > 7. Visiting Thirunallaru brings down the effect . ( i have written earlier also. many people misunderstand the Navgraha temples of Tamilnadu. They are Shiva temples and the presiding Shiva ONLY cures. The curse on each planet was cured in each temple by shiva. In Thirunallaru, when Nala entered the temple, saturn could not follow him inside and have to leave him. that is why Thiru Nala Aru. Aru means cooling, curing, Thiru is Sri in tamil.  Hence , Vinayaga,Shiva and Parvathi to be worshipped first and then the saturn. Also one have to take bath in nala theertham before entering the temple. Please go with empty stomach in the morning and not as a picnic. Saturdays are best but the line takes 5 to 6 hours. If not possible other days are also ok, Bath with gingille oil in the tank and offer ghee for Siva and Parvathy's lamps. Gingelee oil was Sani's lamp) > >  > > Regards > >  > > Sankar > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > > > > --- On Thu, 7/16/09, venkatachala pathi <pathiav > wrote: > > > > venkatachala pathi <pathiav > > > Saturn's special transit effects. > > ancient_indian_ astrology, askyourastroquery@ . com, asthikasamaj, astro_remedies@ . com, astroriber@gro ups.com, Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ . co.in, vedic astrology, brahmin_world@ . co.in, " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises@ hathway.com> , " brahimn tvm group " <kbstvm@ . co.in>, " Conjeevaram Subramanian " <subsavi2001@ >, delhindu@ s.com, " DR.PRASAD RAMKRISHNA " <drprkprasad@ hotmail.com> , gururangan (AT) gmail (DOT) com, HARE_RAM@ s.com, " Haresh (Harry) Nathani " <haresh1405>, " Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ " <Digest>, , @ . com, , @ . com, " N.S.Parasuraman " <parasu41 (AT) grouply (DOT) com>, om_namah_shivaya_ group@ s.com, shaneeswara, sheevani147@ .co. uk, > > vighneshare@ .co. in > > Thursday, July 16, 2009, 2:34 PM > > > >  > > > >  > > Saturn’s various special transit effects through Zodiac Houses > >  > >  > > Saturn is the only planet which has the title of ‘Eswara’. > >  > > The cyclic effect of Sani Paryaya Phala. > >  > > Any native with full span of life will experience 3 times, the 7 ½ years, at one length of a time, said to be familier with ‘Sade Sati’. The dicum conveys ‘the sense that Sani Bhagavan gives bad results, with an intermittent of 2 ½ years in full cycle of its travel around Zodiac, of approximately 30 years (inclusive of the periods of his ‘retrogression’), being one full round. > >  > > This means that in a round of Zodiac of Saturn movement, Saturn moves 2.1/2 years in each house of Zodiac. It is said, that Saturn gives GOOD results only when it transits through 3,6, and 11th house from the position of Moon in the Natalchart. When he moves in the rest of the houses, Saturn is said to give BAD effects, graded as moderate, not good, bad and evil. On this rate, when we assume that a man lives for 90 years, he would have experienced 3 rounds of ‘Sade Sati’. In these three rounds, taking 2.1/2 years in the above three houses (house, 3,6 & 11 from Moon position) he is benefited for a period of 7.1/2 years in each cycle of transit to complete the cycle of movement in Zodiac. That is, it is said to be good for 22.1/2 years in all, in a life of 90 years of a person. Conversely a person is said to be in ‘not that good’ period for the rest of periods! > >  > > I will now explain how intensity of malefic results are distributed during each round: Basics are as follows: > > 1. Saturn gives good results while traversing in the 3, 6, or 11th house from the natal position of the Moon; > > 2. Moderate bad results while at 5, 9, or 10th house; > > 3. “Ardhashatama Sani’, while in 4th House; Considerably bad; > > 4. “Kanta Saniâ€, while in 7th House; Sani is more malefic than in 4th house , above said; > > 5. “Ashtama Saniâ€, while in 8th House to be more severe in causing effects; > > 6. “Sade Satiâ€: While in 12th  House from Moon position, 1st house where moon is positioned in birth chart, and in 2nd house to the Moon occupied House. > > Out of the above Janma Sani (1st House where Moon is positioned )is the worst effective period. > > When Saturn transits in other houses, the effects will be comparatively tolerable and subject to remedies and other factors in a horoscope, related to the positions of Planets, Drusti, Transit of other Planets on a given day, the transiting house related to Lagna, Desha, Bukti etc.(In Northern India, Ashtama Sani and Ardhashtama Sani is referred as ‘Kalyani’ and ‘Lagu Kalyani’ respectively) . > >  > > Let us get into ‘package’ effects in ‘Sade Sati’ †" 7.1/2 years of Saturn transit: > > A ‘Madyamayur Jathaka’ person will have ‘Sade Sati’ two times maximum. > > A ‘Alpayush Jathaka’ person will have ‘Sade Sati’ only once. > > A ‘Purna Ayush Jathaka’ will have 3 or 4 times of ‘Sade Sati’ in all his life. > > The first perio (7.1/2 years) is ‘Mungu Sani’ †" dull Sani; the second period is ‘Pongu Sani’ †" overflowing Sani!; The third full period of Sani is ‘Maraka Sani’ - death inflicting Sani.( For some the fourth round Sani could have this term)If so the third Sani period will be termed as ‘Kungu Sani’ †" the depressing or disappointing period of Sani’s ‘Sade Sati’. > >  > > Apart from the the above another term is prevalent as ‘Anga Sani’ : Here the 7.1/2 years of ‘Sade Sati’ the travel of Saturn is distributed to various parts of body. During this 90 month period, Saturn is said to pass through various parts of body in continuance At the rate of specific few months through each part of body to cause disturbance, anxiety, serious sickness, aggravated health deterioration etc, related to that part of body. Surgery where Mars involved is not excluded. > >  > > To be continued………… > >  > > I request your interest and understanding on above details for me to continue this article. > >  > > Pathi (16 July 2009) > >  > >  > >  > > A.V.Pathi,  > > Astrologer, 'Oxton House', 6, Hawthorn Road,Cherry Willingh am, > > Lincoln LN3 4JT, United Kingdom .  0044+01522+595996, > > (consultation fees charged for direct detailed studies) > > Elec. Money Transfer to: > > Canara Bank Ashok Nagar Chennai India SB No: 0975101008227. > > also at: kountinya29@ gmail.com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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