Saturn's special ref by Tamils- Sani Mantra

[Guest guest]

Sankar,

 

by any chance did u search for the sloka on the net u rightly said it is

corrupted

 

the right lines will be

 

NeelanJanasamabhaasam raviputram yamaagrajam

chaayamarthAnda sambhootham tam namaami sanis-charam

 

 

also be polite to elderly members, we can disagree on their work but let it be

normally words no sarcasm or drifts

 

prashant

 

 

 

________________________________

sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan

 

Thursday, July 16, 2009 8:45:32 PM

Re: Saturn's special ref by Tamils

 

 

Respected Sir, Great

 

Sani is Eshwara. Now meemamsa. Great. Please keep quoting Mimasa, Nyaya,

vaiseshika etc.

 

My questione is - Is Sani Eswara. It is sanaichara. refer the sloka Neelanchana

samapasam - " Tam namai sanaicharam " . Saneswara is a corrupt form and tamils

use that form by not knowing the fact.. But calling him as Eswar is not right.

Sani Chara is different. That is Sani's movement. Like Guru Chara, Adi chara

etc. From the original quote of Saneeswara you slowly changed track to

sanichara.

I stand by what i say. Sanaichara is slow mover .

 

Gandam is death like situation. Any tamilian will say that. Any jyodish will say

about gandam.

 

Please accept that Saneeswaran is a wrong usage. Please do not quote mimamsa.,

mandan mishra, kumarilla bhatta, tamilian exclusivity etc.

 

Sani is not Eswara. again dont quote Adisankara and say all are eswara.

 

Regards

 

Sankar

 

--- On Thu, 7/16/09, venkatachala pathi <pathiav > wrote:

 

venkatachala pathi <pathiav >

Re: Saturn's special ref by Tamils

 

Thursday, July 16, 2009, 6:09 PM

 

 

 

Sir,

 

What the hell you know about that? 'Chara' means 'movement'. Sani-chara means

Sani's movement. That word does not containing any word to indicate 'slow'.

Next, Eswara means 'leader'. I had studied 'Mimasa' in Sanskrit Honors, and I do

not know what you studied.

 

Saturn is not an exclusive Planet for Tamilians. I am a Tamilian too. The

meaning in Sivacharya's language in vogue in tamil is Ganda - event. Any more

details you want? No where, in Tamil authorized Dictionaries' it is said

'Ganda' means 'death' . Take a photo copy of that page and attach it with your

mail to me. (Kala-ganda - timely event)

 

Then what do you know about Hinduism? Qualify to say, you are a Hindu, by any

quote you know to prove that you know Hinduism. Define 'Hinduism'. Your long

nose entered in Astrological corrections when you do say, 'I have mentioned that

I am not a big astrologer'. You are not a small astrologer too. Then you talk

about Jupiter in 10th house.

 

I never said in my article that people 'should worry about Sani', where as, you

only suggested to go to Thirunallaru and do this and do that. Then you say that

you wrote on the 'subject', not on my 'predictions' . I did not write on

'predictions' in that article, while I discussed on 'gradations' of Saturn

effects. Now you will realize, how long your nose is, taking a stage to clear

all fears on Sani Bhagavan in this human world, with Zero knowledge on the

subject in public forum.

 

I wish one should realise their 'adequacies' before coming with 'comments'.

Sure, I am wasting my time with you.

A.V.Pathi,

Astrologer, 'Oxton House', 6, Hawthorn Road,Cherry Willingh am,

Lincoln LN3 4JT, United Kingdom . 0044+01522+595996,

 

____________ _________ _________ __

sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ >

 

Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:39:08 PM

Re: Saturn's special ref by Tamils

 

 

Respceted Sir,

 

I am not here to find fault in your article. But calling Sani as Eswara will not

be liked by Sani himself. The Sanaichara got corrupted as Saneeswara in Tamil.

 

Ganda Sani denotes middle sani and not Gandam ( death chance) of tamil.

 

For Long Tamilians are misunderstanding and fearing Sani like this.

 

I have mentioned that i am not a big astrologer but stand on my knowledge of

hinduism.

 

My Long Nose enterd in to a common forum and not in anybody's private matters.

 

I stand by what i say. I have nothing personal against you. I have not made any

comment on you first article. My worry is people should not fear Sani like this.

As far us i know, he delivers what is due as per karma.

 

It is only expressing views and sharing knowledges. My age is much less tha your

experiance. My pranams to you and there is nothing to hurt you.

 

need to remove such tamil beliefs like Pen Moolam Nirmulam ( meaning moola girl

will spoil the family) Pooradam nooladathu ( meaning poorada girls mangal sutra

will not be lasting)

etc. They are just ryming sentences. Many tamil girls are suffering because of

this.

 

My reply was only in that subject and not on your predictions. We need more such

predictions

 

Regards

 

Sankar

 

 

 

--- On Thu, 7/16/09, venkatachala pathi <pathiav > wrote:

 

venkatachala pathi <pathiav >

Re: Saturn's special transit effects.

 

Thursday, July 16, 2009, 4:29 PM

 

 

 

Dear Mr. Sankaranarayanan,

 

What is that you want to communicate? All in that 'article' I had written is

'rubbish'?

Well! what I understood studying this for last 47 years is waste, and one Mr.

Sankaranarayanan, come in to tell us some new facts.

Please write/correct and complete my article. Your service is welcome. This is

how, people like us feel to keep away from sending these 'articles' in a 'forum'

as 'greats' are already there with abundant knowledge!!, with 'long' nose too.

 

A.V.Pathi,

Astrologer, 'Oxton House', 6, Hawthorn Road,Cherry Willingh am,

Lincoln LN3 4JT, United Kingdom . 0044+01522+595996,

 

____________ _________ _________ __

sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ >

 

Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:10:44 AM

Re: Saturn's special transit effects.

 

 

Respected Gurujis

 

My humble views on this subject are as under. Though I am not well versed in

Astrology, as a student of Hinduism and a Tamilian, will give my views as under.

( I say tamilian because a. Sanskrit words have a different meaning in Tamil b.

Tamils give lot of imporatnce to Gochara)

 

1. Sani Having Easwar title: The word Sanaichara ( slow walker) some how got

corrupted in

Tamil and became Saneeswara. Then stories spurned around Saturn getting the

Eswar title. But all Siva Temples of Tamilandu, he is an humble servant of Shiva

and a parivara devata.

 

2. I have seen period the Ashtama Sani is more dangerous than Sade sathi for

many. ( Simillarly the Gurus 10th Position affects job status. Especially for

Mesha Rasi, when guru in 10th house ie Mahara, where jupiter becomes weak, even

if he is exalated in good houses in the horescope will not help)

 

3. The sade sati is divided into 3 and in sanskrit called as janma, kanda (

middle) and Pada ( end) This Kanda is confused with Tamil Kanadam ( death

possibility) and feared.

 

4. If Saturn is Lagnadipathi, the sade sathi effect is minimum ( can be good

also) and ashtama sthan may not be that worse. If he is Rasiadibathi ( chandra

lagna lord) again the periods are not that bad.

 

5. Sani in 7th house from Chandra Rasi can also be considered a good period.

 

6. The 5th is also bad but some how the sade sathi, ashtama and ardashtama have

over taken in the popular belief.

 

7. Visiting Thirunallaru brings down the effect . ( i have written earlier also.

many people misunderstand the Navgraha temples of Tamilnadu. They are Shiva

temples and the presiding Shiva ONLY cures. The curse on each planet was cured

in each temple by shiva. In Thirunallaru, when Nala entered the temple, saturn

could not follow him inside and have to leave him. that is why Thiru Nala Aru.

Aru means cooling, curing, Thiru is Sri in tamil. Hence , Vinayaga,Shiva and

Parvathi to be worshipped first and then the saturn. Also one have to take bath

in nala theertham before entering the temple. Please go with empty stomach in

the morning and not as a picnic. Saturdays are best but the line takes 5 to 6

hours. If not possible other days are also ok, Bath with gingille oil in the

tank and offer ghee for Siva and Parvathy's lamps. Gingelee oil was Sani's lamp)

 

Regards

 

Sankar

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Thu, 7/16/09, venkatachala pathi <pathiav > wrote:

 

venkatachala pathi <pathiav >

Saturn's special transit effects.

ancient_indian_ astrology, askyourastroquery@ .

com, asthikasamaj, astro_remedies,

astroriber@gro ups.com, Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ . co.in,

vedic astrology, brahmin_world@ . co.in, " Bhaskar "

<rajiventerprises@ hathway.com> , " brahimn tvm group " <kbstvm@ .

co.in>, " Conjeevaram Subramanian " <subsavi2001@ >, delhindu@

s.com, " DR.PRASAD RAMKRISHNA " <drprkprasad@ hotmail.com> , gururangan (AT) gmail (DOT)

com, HARE_RAM@ s.com, " Haresh (Harry) Nathani " <haresh1405@ .

com>, " Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ " <Digest>,

, ,

, ,

" N.S.Parasuraman " <parasu41 (AT) grouply (DOT) com>, om_namah_shivaya_ group@

s.com, shaneeswara, sheevani147@ .co. uk,

vighneshare@ .co. in

Thursday, July 16, 2009, 2:34 PM

 

 

 

 

Saturn’s various special transit effects through Zodiac Houses

 

 

Saturn is the only planet which has the title of ‘Eswara’.

 

The cyclic effect of Sani Paryaya Phala.

 

Any native with full span of life will experience 3 times, the 7 ½ years, at

one length of a time, said to be familier with ‘Sade Sati’. The dicum

conveys ‘the sense that Sani Bhagavan gives bad results, with an intermittent

of 2 ½ years in full cycle of its travel around Zodiac, of approximately 30

years (inclusive of the periods of his ‘retrogression’), being one full

round.

 

This means that in a round of Zodiac of Saturn movement, Saturn moves 2.1/2

years in each house of Zodiac. It is said, that Saturn gives GOOD results only

when it transits through 3,6, and 11th house from the position of Moon in the

Natalchart. When he moves in the rest of the houses, Saturn is said to give BAD

effects, graded as moderate, not good, bad and evil. On this rate, when we

assume that a man lives for 90 years, he would have experienced 3 rounds of

‘Sade Sati’. In these three rounds, taking 2.1/2 years in the above three

houses (house, 3,6 & 11 from Moon position) he is benefited for a period of

7.1/2 years in each cycle of transit to complete the cycle of movement in

Zodiac. That is, it is said to be good for 22.1/2 years in all, in a life of 90

years of a person. Conversely a person is said to be in ‘not that good’

period for the rest of periods!

 

I will now explain how intensity of malefic results are distributed during each

round: Basics are as follows:

1. Saturn gives good results while traversing in the 3, 6, or 11th house from

the natal position of the Moon;

2. Moderate bad results while at 5, 9, or 10th house;

3. “Ardhashatama Sani’, while in 4th House; Considerably bad;

4. “Kanta Saniâ€, while in 7th House; Sani is more malefic than in 4th house

, above said;

5. “Ashtama Saniâ€, while in 8th House to be more severe in causing effects;

6. “Sade Satiâ€: While in 12th House from Moon position, 1st house where

moon is positioned in birth chart, and in 2nd house to the Moon occupied House.

Out of the above Janma Sani (1st House where Moon is positioned )is the worst

effective period.

When Saturn transits in other houses, the effects will be comparatively

tolerable and subject to remedies and other factors in a horoscope, related to

the positions of Planets, Drusti, Transit of other Planets on a given day, the

transiting house related to Lagna, Desha, Bukti etc.(In Northern India, Ashtama

Sani and Ardhashtama Sani is referred as ‘Kalyani’ and ‘Lagu Kalyani’

respectively) .

 

Let us get into ‘package’ effects in ‘Sade Sati’ – 7.1/2 years of

Saturn transit:

A ‘Madyamayur Jathaka’ person will have ‘Sade Sati’ two times maximum.

A ‘Alpayush Jathaka’ person will have ‘Sade Sati’ only once.

A ‘Purna Ayush Jathaka’ will have 3 or 4 times of ‘Sade Sati’ in all his

life.

The first perio (7.1/2 years) is ‘Mungu Sani’ – dull Sani; the second

period is ‘Pongu Sani’ – overflowing Sani!; The third full period of Sani

is ‘Maraka Sani’ - death inflicting Sani.( For some the fourth round Sani

could have this term)If so the third Sani period will be termed as ‘Kungu

Sani’ – the depressing or disappointing period of Sani’s ‘Sade Sati’.

 

Apart from the the above another term is prevalent as ‘Anga Sani’ : Here

the 7.1/2 years of ‘Sade Sati’ the travel of Saturn is distributed to

various parts of body. During this 90 month period, Saturn is said to pass

through various parts of body in continuance At the rate of specific few months

through each part of body to cause disturbance, anxiety, serious sickness,

aggravated health deterioration etc, related to that part of body. Surgery

where Mars involved is not excluded.

 

To be continued…………

 

I request your interest and understanding on above details for me to continue

this article.

 

Pathi (16 July 2009)

 

 

 

A.V.Pathi,

Astrologer, 'Oxton House', 6, Hawthorn Road,Cherry Willingh am,

Lincoln LN3 4JT, United Kingdom . 0044+01522+595996,

(consultation fees charged for direct detailed studies)

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[Guest guest]

Respected concerned,

 

Gnuine request to all. can anybody make an audio of these lines and post. Sothat

everybody get the right accent.

 

Regards,

Krishnan

 

 

 

--- On Thu, 7/16/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote:

 

 

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

Re: Saturn's special ref by Tamils- Sani Mantra

 

Thursday, July 16, 2009, 8:54 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sankar,

 

by any chance did u search for the sloka on the net u rightly said it is

corrupted

 

the right lines will be

 

NeelanJanasamabhaas am raviputram yamaagrajam

chaayamarthAnda sambhootham tam namaami sanis-charam

 

also be polite to elderly members, we can disagree on their work but let it be

normally words no sarcasm or drifts

 

prashant

 

____________ _________ _________ __

sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ >

 

Thursday, July 16, 2009 8:45:32 PM

Re: Saturn's special ref by Tamils

 

Respected Sir, Great

 

Sani is Eshwara. Now meemamsa. Great. Please keep quoting Mimasa, Nyaya,

vaiseshika etc.

 

My questione is - Is Sani Eswara. It is sanaichara. refer the sloka Neelanchana

samapasam - " Tam namai sanaicharam " . Saneswara is a corrupt form and tamils use

that form by not knowing the fact.. But calling him as Eswar is not right. Sani

Chara is different. That is Sani's movement. Like Guru Chara, Adi chara etc.

From the original quote of Saneeswara you slowly changed track to sanichara.

I stand by what i say. Sanaichara is slow mover .

 

Gandam is death like situation. Any tamilian will say that. Any jyodish will say

about gandam.

 

Please accept that Saneeswaran is a wrong usage. Please do not quote mimamsa.,

mandan mishra, kumarilla bhatta, tamilian exclusivity etc.

 

Sani is not Eswara. again dont quote Adisankara and say all are eswara.

 

Regards

 

Sankar

 

--- On Thu, 7/16/09, venkatachala pathi <pathiav > wrote:

 

venkatachala pathi <pathiav >

Re: Saturn's special ref by Tamils

 

Thursday, July 16, 2009, 6:09 PM

 

Sir,

 

What the hell you know about that? 'Chara' means 'movement'. Sani-chara means

Sani's movement. That word does not containing any word to indicate 'slow'.

Next, Eswara means 'leader'. I had studied 'Mimasa' in Sanskrit Honors, and I do

not know what you studied.

 

Saturn is not an exclusive Planet for Tamilians. I am a Tamilian too. The

meaning in Sivacharya's language in vogue in tamil is Ganda - event. Any more

details you want? No where, in Tamil authorized Dictionaries' it is said 'Ganda'

means 'death' . Take a photo copy of that page and attach it with your mail to

me. (Kala-ganda - timely event)

 

Then what do you know about Hinduism? Qualify to say, you are a Hindu, by any

quote you know to prove that you know Hinduism. Define 'Hinduism'. Your long

nose entered in Astrological corrections when you do say, 'I have mentioned that

I am not a big astrologer'. You are not a small astrologer too. Then you talk

about Jupiter in 10th house.

 

I never said in my article that people 'should worry about Sani', where as, you

only suggested to go to Thirunallaru and do this and do that. Then you say that

you wrote on the 'subject', not on my 'predictions' . I did not write on

'predictions' in that article, while I discussed on 'gradations' of Saturn

effects. Now you will realize, how long your nose is, taking a stage to clear

all fears on Sani Bhagavan in this human world, with Zero knowledge on the

subject in public forum.

 

I wish one should realise their 'adequacies' before coming with 'comments'.

Sure, I am wasting my time with you.

A.V.Pathi,

Astrologer, 'Oxton House', 6, Hawthorn Road,Cherry Willingh am,

Lincoln LN3 4JT, United Kingdom . 0044+01522+595996,

 

____________ _________ _________ __

sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ >

 

Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:39:08 PM

Re: Saturn's special ref by Tamils

 

Respceted Sir,

 

I am not here to find fault in your article. But calling Sani as Eswara will not

be liked by Sani himself. The Sanaichara got corrupted as Saneeswara in Tamil.

 

Ganda Sani denotes middle sani and not Gandam ( death chance) of tamil.

 

For Long Tamilians are misunderstanding and fearing Sani like this.

 

I have mentioned that i am not a big astrologer but stand on my knowledge of

hinduism.

 

My Long Nose enterd in to a common forum and not in anybody's private matters.

 

I stand by what i say. I have nothing personal against you. I have not made any

comment on you first article. My worry is people should not fear Sani like this.

As far us i know, he delivers what is due as per karma.

 

It is only expressing views and sharing knowledges. My age is much less tha your

experiance. My pranams to you and there is nothing to hurt you.

 

need to remove such tamil beliefs like Pen Moolam Nirmulam ( meaning moola girl

will spoil the family) Pooradam nooladathu ( meaning poorada girls mangal sutra

will not be lasting)

etc. They are just ryming sentences. Many tamil girls are suffering because of

this.

 

My reply was only in that subject and not on your predictions. We need more such

predictions

 

Regards

 

Sankar

 

--- On Thu, 7/16/09, venkatachala pathi <pathiav > wrote:

 

venkatachala pathi <pathiav >

Re: Saturn's special transit effects.

 

Thursday, July 16, 2009, 4:29 PM

 

Dear Mr. Sankaranarayanan,

 

What is that you want to communicate? All in that 'article' I had written is

'rubbish'?

Well! what I understood studying this for last 47 years is waste, and one Mr.

Sankaranarayanan, come in to tell us some new facts.

Please write/correct and complete my article. Your service is welcome. This is

how, people like us feel to keep away from sending these 'articles' in a 'forum'

as 'greats' are already there with abundant knowledge!!, with 'long' nose too.

 

A.V.Pathi,

Astrologer, 'Oxton House', 6, Hawthorn Road,Cherry Willingh am,

Lincoln LN3 4JT, United Kingdom . 0044+01522+595996,

 

____________ _________ _________ __

sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ >

 

Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:10:44 AM

Re: Saturn's special transit effects.

 

Respected Gurujis

 

My humble views on this subject are as under. Though I am not well versed in

Astrology, as a student of Hinduism and a Tamilian, will give my views as under.

( I say tamilian because a. Sanskrit words have a different meaning in Tamil b.

Tamils give lot of imporatnce to Gochara)

 

1. Sani Having Easwar title: The word Sanaichara ( slow walker) some how got

corrupted in

Tamil and became Saneeswara. Then stories spurned around Saturn getting the

Eswar title. But all Siva Temples of Tamilandu, he is an humble servant of Shiva

and a parivara devata.

 

2. I have seen period the Ashtama Sani is more dangerous than Sade sathi for

many. ( Simillarly the Gurus 10th Position affects job status. Especially for

Mesha Rasi, when guru in 10th house ie Mahara, where jupiter becomes weak, even

if he is exalated in good houses in the horescope will not help)

 

3. The sade sati is divided into 3 and in sanskrit called as janma, kanda (

middle) and Pada ( end) This Kanda is confused with Tamil Kanadam ( death

possibility) and feared.

 

4. If Saturn is Lagnadipathi, the sade sathi effect is minimum ( can be good

also) and ashtama sthan may not be that worse. If he is Rasiadibathi ( chandra

lagna lord) again the periods are not that bad.

 

5. Sani in 7th house from Chandra Rasi can also be considered a good period.

 

6. The 5th is also bad but some how the sade sathi, ashtama and ardashtama have

over taken in the popular belief.

 

7. Visiting Thirunallaru brings down the effect . ( i have written earlier also.

many people misunderstand the Navgraha temples of Tamilnadu. They are Shiva

temples and the presiding Shiva ONLY cures. The curse on each planet was cured

in each temple by shiva. In Thirunallaru, when Nala entered the temple, saturn

could not follow him inside and have to leave him. that is why Thiru Nala Aru.

Aru means cooling, curing, Thiru is Sri in tamil. Hence , Vinayaga,Shiva and

Parvathi to be worshipped first and then the saturn. Also one have to take bath

in nala theertham before entering the temple. Please go with empty stomach in

the morning and not as a picnic. Saturdays are best but the line takes 5 to 6

hours. If not possible other days are also ok, Bath with gingille oil in the

tank and offer ghee for Siva and Parvathy's lamps. Gingelee oil was Sani's lamp)

 

Regards

 

Sankar

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Thu, 7/16/09, venkatachala pathi <pathiav > wrote:

 

venkatachala pathi <pathiav >

Saturn's special transit effects.

ancient_indian_ astrology, askyourastroquery@ .

com, asthikasamaj, astro_remedies,

astroriber@gro ups.com, Chandra-AdityaAstro Remedies@ . co.in,

vedic astrology, brahmin_world@ . co.in, " Bhaskar "

<rajiventerprises@ hathway.com> , " brahimn tvm group " <kbstvm@ .

co.in>, " Conjeevaram Subramanian " <subsavi2001@ >, delhindu@

s.com, " DR.PRASAD RAMKRISHNA " <drprkprasad@ hotmail.com> , gururangan (AT) gmail (DOT)

com, HARE_RAM@ s.com, " Haresh (Harry) Nathani " <haresh1405@ .

com>, " Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ " <Digest>,

, ,

, ,

" N.S.Parasuraman " <parasu41 (AT) grouply (DOT) com>, om_namah_shivaya_ group@

s.com, shaneeswara, sheevani147@ .co. uk,

vighneshare@ .co. in

Thursday, July 16, 2009, 2:34 PM

 

Saturn’s various special transit effects through Zodiac Houses

 

 

Saturn is the only planet which has the title of ‘Eswara’.

 

The cyclic effect of Sani Paryaya Phala.

 

Any native with full span of life will experience 3 times, the 7 ½ years, at

one length of a time, said to be familier with ‘Sade Sati’. The dicum

conveys ‘the sense that Sani Bhagavan gives bad results, with an intermittent

of 2 ½ years in full cycle of its travel around Zodiac, of approximately 30

years (inclusive of the periods of his ‘retrogression’), being one full

round.

 

This means that in a round of Zodiac of Saturn movement, Saturn moves 2.1/2

years in each house of Zodiac. It is said, that Saturn gives GOOD results only

when it transits through 3,6, and 11th house from the position of Moon in the

Natalchart. When he moves in the rest of the houses, Saturn is said to give BAD

effects, graded as moderate, not good, bad and evil. On this rate, when we

assume that a man lives for 90 years, he would have experienced 3 rounds of

‘Sade Sati’. In these three rounds, taking 2.1/2 years in the above three

houses (house, 3,6 & 11 from Moon position) he is benefited for a period of

7.1/2 years in each cycle of transit to complete the cycle of movement in

Zodiac. That is, it is said to be good for 22.1/2 years in all, in a life of 90

years of a person. Conversely a person is said to be in ‘not that good’

period for the rest of periods!

 

I will now explain how intensity of malefic results are distributed during each

round: Basics are as follows:

1. Saturn gives good results while traversing in the 3, 6, or 11th house from

the natal position of the Moon;

2. Moderate bad results while at 5, 9, or 10th house;

3. “Ardhashatama Sani’, while in 4th House; Considerably bad;

4. “Kanta Saniâ€, while in 7th House; Sani is more malefic than in 4th house

, above said;

5. “Ashtama Saniâ€, while in 8th House to be more severe in causing effects;

6. “Sade Satiâ€: While in 12th House from Moon position, 1st house where moon

is positioned in birth chart, and in 2nd house to the Moon occupied House.

Out of the above Janma Sani (1st House where Moon is positioned )is the worst

effective period.

When Saturn transits in other houses, the effects will be comparatively

tolerable and subject to remedies and other factors in a horoscope, related to

the positions of Planets, Drusti, Transit of other Planets on a given day, the

transiting house related to Lagna, Desha, Bukti etc.(In Northern India, Ashtama

Sani and Ardhashtama Sani is referred as ‘Kalyani’ and ‘Lagu Kalyani’

respectively) .

 

Let us get into ‘package’ effects in ‘Sade Sati’ – 7.1/2 years of

Saturn transit:

A ‘Madyamayur Jathaka’ person will have ‘Sade Sati’ two times maximum.

A ‘Alpayush Jathaka’ person will have ‘Sade Sati’ only once.

A ‘Purna Ayush Jathaka’ will have 3 or 4 times of ‘Sade Sati’ in all his

life.

The first perio (7.1/2 years) is ‘Mungu Sani’ – dull Sani; the second

period is ‘Pongu Sani’ – overflowing Sani!; The third full period of Sani

is ‘Maraka Sani’ - death inflicting Sani.( For some the fourth round Sani

could have this term)If so the third Sani period will be termed as ‘Kungu

Sani’ – the depressing or disappointing period of Sani’s ‘Sade Sati’.

 

Apart from the the above another term is prevalent as ‘Anga Sani’ : Here the

7.1/2 years of ‘Sade Sati’ the travel of Saturn is distributed to various

parts of body. During this 90 month period, Saturn is said to pass through

various parts of body in continuance At the rate of specific few months through

each part of body to cause disturbance, anxiety, serious sickness, aggravated

health deterioration etc, related to that part of body. Surgery where Mars

involved is not excluded.

 

To be continued…………

 

I request your interest and understanding on above details for me to continue

this article.

 

Pathi (16 July 2009)

 

 

 

A.V.Pathi,

Astrologer, 'Oxton House', 6, Hawthorn Road,Cherry Willingh am,

Lincoln LN3 4JT, United Kingdom . 0044+01522+595996,

(consultation fees charged for direct detailed studies)

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[Guest guest]

Sure.  I have full respect on all the people in the forum and the great service

they are doing to people who are in trouble. People can get solace by just

sitting before their computers by mailing their problems to these senior people.

 

Many are coming to these forums because they are getting their problems solved.

 

Thanks and my full respect for your services.

 

Regards

 

Sankar.

 

 

 

--- On Thu, 7/16/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote:

 

 

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

Re: Saturn's special ref by Tamils- Sani Mantra

 

Thursday, July 16, 2009, 11:24 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sankar,

 

by any chance did u search for the sloka on the net u rightly said it is

corrupted

 

the right lines will be

 

NeelanJanasamabhaas am raviputram yamaagrajam

chaayamarthAnda sambhootham tam namaami sanis-charam

 

also be polite to elderly members, we can disagree on their work but let it be

normally words no sarcasm or drifts

 

prashant

 

____________ _________ _________ __

sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ >

 

Thursday, July 16, 2009 8:45:32 PM

Re: Saturn's special ref by Tamils

 

Respected Sir, Great

 

Sani is Eshwara. Now meemamsa. Great. Please keep quoting Mimasa, Nyaya,

vaiseshika etc.

 

My questione is - Is Sani Eswara. It is sanaichara. refer the sloka Neelanchana

samapasam - " Tam namai sanaicharam " . Saneswara is a corrupt form and tamils use

that form by not knowing the fact.. But calling him as Eswar is not right. Sani

Chara is different. That is Sani's movement. Like Guru Chara, Adi chara etc.

From the original quote of Saneeswara you slowly changed track to sanichara.

I stand by what i say. Sanaichara is slow mover .

 

Gandam is death like situation. Any tamilian will say that. Any jyodish will say

about gandam.

 

Please accept that Saneeswaran is a wrong usage. Please do not quote mimamsa.,

mandan mishra, kumarilla bhatta, tamilian exclusivity etc.

 

Sani is not Eswara. again dont quote Adisankara and say all are eswara.

 

Regards

 

Sankar

 

--- On Thu, 7/16/09, venkatachala pathi <pathiav > wrote:

 

venkatachala pathi <pathiav >

Re: Saturn's special ref by Tamils

 

Thursday, July 16, 2009, 6:09 PM

 

Sir,

 

What the hell you know about that? 'Chara' means 'movement'. Sani-chara means

Sani's movement. That word does not containing any word to indicate 'slow'.

Next, Eswara means 'leader'. I had studied 'Mimasa' in Sanskrit Honors, and I do

not know what you studied.

 

Saturn is not an exclusive Planet for Tamilians. I am a Tamilian too. The

meaning in Sivacharya's language in vogue in tamil is Ganda - event. Any more

details you want? No where, in Tamil authorized Dictionaries' it is said 'Ganda'

means 'death' . Take a photo copy of that page and attach it with your mail to

me. (Kala-ganda - timely event)

 

Then what do you know about Hinduism? Qualify to say, you are a Hindu, by any

quote you know to prove that you know Hinduism. Define 'Hinduism'. Your long

nose entered in Astrological corrections when you do say, 'I have mentioned that

I am not a big astrologer'. You are not a small astrologer too. Then you talk

about Jupiter in 10th house.

 

I never said in my article that people 'should worry about Sani', where as, you

only suggested to go to Thirunallaru and do this and do that. Then you say that

you wrote on the 'subject', not on my 'predictions' . I did not write on

'predictions' in that article, while I discussed on 'gradations' of Saturn

effects. Now you will realize, how long your nose is, taking a stage to clear

all fears on Sani Bhagavan in this human world, with Zero knowledge on the

subject in public forum.

 

I wish one should realise their 'adequacies' before coming with 'comments'.

Sure, I am wasting my time with you.

A.V.Pathi,

Astrologer, 'Oxton House', 6, Hawthorn Road,Cherry Willingh am,

Lincoln LN3 4JT, United Kingdom . 0044+01522+595996,

 

____________ _________ _________ __

sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ >

 

Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:39:08 PM

Re: Saturn's special ref by Tamils

 

Respceted Sir,

 

I am not here to find fault in your article. But calling Sani as Eswara will not

be liked by Sani himself. The Sanaichara got corrupted as Saneeswara in Tamil.

 

Ganda Sani denotes middle sani and not Gandam ( death chance) of tamil.

 

For Long Tamilians are misunderstanding and fearing Sani like this.

 

I have mentioned that i am not a big astrologer but stand on my knowledge of

hinduism.

 

My Long Nose enterd in to a common forum and not in anybody's private matters.

 

I stand by what i say. I have nothing personal against you. I have not made any

comment on you first article. My worry is people should not fear Sani like this.

As far us i know, he delivers what is due as per karma.

 

It is only expressing views and sharing knowledges. My age is much less tha your

experiance. My pranams to you and there is nothing to hurt you.

 

need to remove such tamil beliefs like Pen Moolam Nirmulam ( meaning moola girl

will spoil the family) Pooradam nooladathu ( meaning poorada girls mangal sutra

will not be lasting)

etc. They are just ryming sentences. Many tamil girls are suffering because of

this.

 

My reply was only in that subject and not on your predictions. We need more such

predictions

 

Regards

 

Sankar

 

--- On Thu, 7/16/09, venkatachala pathi <pathiav > wrote:

 

venkatachala pathi <pathiav >

Re: Saturn's special transit effects.

 

Thursday, July 16, 2009, 4:29 PM

 

Dear Mr. Sankaranarayanan,

 

What is that you want to communicate? All in that 'article' I had written is

'rubbish'?

Well! what I understood studying this for last 47 years is waste, and one Mr.

Sankaranarayanan, come in to tell us some new facts.

Please write/correct and complete my article. Your service is welcome. This is

how, people like us feel to keep away from sending these 'articles' in a 'forum'

as 'greats' are already there with abundant knowledge!!, with 'long' nose too.

 

A.V.Pathi,

Astrologer, 'Oxton House', 6, Hawthorn Road,Cherry Willingh am,

Lincoln LN3 4JT, United Kingdom . 0044+01522+595996,

 

____________ _________ _________ __

sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ >

 

Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:10:44 AM

Re: Saturn's special transit effects.

 

Respected Gurujis

 

My humble views on this subject are as under. Though I am not well versed in

Astrology, as a student of Hinduism and a Tamilian, will give my views as under.

( I say tamilian because a. Sanskrit words have a different meaning in Tamil b.

Tamils give lot of imporatnce to Gochara)

 

1. Sani Having Easwar title: The word Sanaichara ( slow walker) some how got

corrupted in

Tamil and became Saneeswara. Then stories spurned around Saturn getting the

Eswar title. But all Siva Temples of Tamilandu, he is an humble servant of Shiva

and a parivara devata.

 

2. I have seen period the Ashtama Sani is more dangerous than Sade sathi for

many. ( Simillarly the Gurus 10th Position affects job status. Especially for

Mesha Rasi, when guru in 10th house ie Mahara, where jupiter becomes weak, even

if he is exalated in good houses in the horescope will not help)

 

3. The sade sati is divided into 3 and in sanskrit called as janma, kanda (

middle) and Pada ( end) This Kanda is confused with Tamil Kanadam ( death

possibility) and feared.

 

4. If Saturn is Lagnadipathi, the sade sathi effect is minimum ( can be good

also) and ashtama sthan may not be that worse. If he is Rasiadibathi ( chandra

lagna lord) again the periods are not that bad.

 

5. Sani in 7th house from Chandra Rasi can also be considered a good period.

 

6. The 5th is also bad but some how the sade sathi, ashtama and ardashtama have

over taken in the popular belief.

 

7. Visiting Thirunallaru brings down the effect . ( i have written earlier also.

many people misunderstand the Navgraha temples of Tamilnadu. They are Shiva

temples and the presiding Shiva ONLY cures. The curse on each planet was cured

in each temple by shiva. In Thirunallaru, when Nala entered the temple, saturn

could not follow him inside and have to leave him. that is why Thiru Nala Aru.

Aru means cooling, curing, Thiru is Sri in tamil. Hence , Vinayaga,Shiva and

Parvathi to be worshipped first and then the saturn. Also one have to take bath

in nala theertham before entering the temple. Please go with empty stomach in

the morning and not as a picnic. Saturdays are best but the line takes 5 to 6

hours. If not possible other days are also ok, Bath with gingille oil in the

tank and offer ghee for Siva and Parvathy's lamps. Gingelee oil was Sani's lamp)

 

Regards

 

Sankar

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Thu, 7/16/09, venkatachala pathi <pathiav > wrote:

 

venkatachala pathi <pathiav >

Saturn's special transit effects.

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Thursday, July 16, 2009, 2:34 PM

 

Saturn’s various special transit effects through Zodiac Houses

 

 

Saturn is the only planet which has the title of ‘Eswara’.

 

The cyclic effect of Sani Paryaya Phala.

 

Any native with full span of life will experience 3 times, the 7 ½ years, at

one length of a time, said to be familier with ‘Sade Sati’. The dicum

conveys ‘the sense that Sani Bhagavan gives bad results, with an intermittent

of 2 ½ years in full cycle of its travel around Zodiac, of approximately 30

years (inclusive of the periods of his ‘retrogression’), being one full

round.

 

This means that in a round of Zodiac of Saturn movement, Saturn moves 2.1/2

years in each house of Zodiac. It is said, that Saturn gives GOOD results only

when it transits through 3,6, and 11th house from the position of Moon in the

Natalchart. When he moves in the rest of the houses, Saturn is said to give BAD

effects, graded as moderate, not good, bad and evil. On this rate, when we

assume that a man lives for 90 years, he would have experienced 3 rounds of

‘Sade Sati’. In these three rounds, taking 2.1/2 years in the above three

houses (house, 3,6 & 11 from Moon position) he is benefited for a period of

7.1/2 years in each cycle of transit to complete the cycle of movement in

Zodiac. That is, it is said to be good for 22.1/2 years in all, in a life of 90

years of a person. Conversely a person is said to be in ‘not that good’

period for the rest of periods!

 

I will now explain how intensity of malefic results are distributed during each

round: Basics are as follows:

1. Saturn gives good results while traversing in the 3, 6, or 11th house from

the natal position of the Moon;

2. Moderate bad results while at 5, 9, or 10th house;

3. “Ardhashatama Sani’, while in 4th House; Considerably bad;

4. “Kanta Saniâ€, while in 7th House; Sani is more malefic than in 4th house

, above said;

5. “Ashtama Saniâ€, while in 8th House to be more severe in causing effects;

6. “Sade Satiâ€: While in 12th House from Moon position, 1st house where moon

is positioned in birth chart, and in 2nd house to the Moon occupied House.

Out of the above Janma Sani (1st House where Moon is positioned )is the worst

effective period.

When Saturn transits in other houses, the effects will be comparatively

tolerable and subject to remedies and other factors in a horoscope, related to

the positions of Planets, Drusti, Transit of other Planets on a given day, the

transiting house related to Lagna, Desha, Bukti etc.(In Northern India, Ashtama

Sani and Ardhashtama Sani is referred as ‘Kalyani’ and ‘Lagu Kalyani’

respectively) .

 

Let us get into ‘package’ effects in ‘Sade Sati’ – 7.1/2 years of

Saturn transit:

A ‘Madyamayur Jathaka’ person will have ‘Sade Sati’ two times maximum.

A ‘Alpayush Jathaka’ person will have ‘Sade Sati’ only once.

A ‘Purna Ayush Jathaka’ will have 3 or 4 times of ‘Sade Sati’ in all his

life.

The first perio (7.1/2 years) is ‘Mungu Sani’ – dull Sani; the second

period is ‘Pongu Sani’ – overflowing Sani!; The third full period of Sani

is ‘Maraka Sani’ - death inflicting Sani.( For some the fourth round Sani

could have this term)If so the third Sani period will be termed as ‘Kungu

Sani’ – the depressing or disappointing period of Sani’s ‘Sade Sati’.

 

Apart from the the above another term is prevalent as ‘Anga Sani’ : Here the

7.1/2 years of ‘Sade Sati’ the travel of Saturn is distributed to various

parts of body. During this 90 month period, Saturn is said to pass through

various parts of body in continuance At the rate of specific few months through

each part of body to cause disturbance, anxiety, serious sickness, aggravated

health deterioration etc, related to that part of body. Surgery where Mars

involved is not excluded.

 

To be continued…………

 

I request your interest and understanding on above details for me to continue

this article.

 

Pathi (16 July 2009)

 

 

 

A.V.Pathi,

Astrologer, 'Oxton House', 6, Hawthorn Road,Cherry Willingh am,

Lincoln LN3 4JT, United Kingdom . 0044+01522+595996,

(consultation fees charged for direct detailed studies)

Elec. Money Transfer to:

Canara Bank Ashok Nagar Chennai India SB No: 0975101008227.

also at: kountinya29@ gmail.com