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whover u may be mostly a FAKE ID of some old member troubling groups.

 

NOW Maharashi Parashara has given many dasas and has clearly said in KALI YUGA

it is only UDU-or Vimshottari alone that works,

 

BPHS was written much earlier to Kali Yuga so pl bear in mind the change

 

by trying to bombastically use words , more of jargon than real significance

issues cant be created or image built

 

if SCHOLARS LIKE Dr B V RAMAN ji used parasari's vimshottari, and othes like KPS

MENAON, PS SHASTRY, H R SHESHADRI IYER, VAK IYER, M R BHATT, V Subramanya

shastry, B Suryanarayana rao, gayathri devi vasudev, Bhasin many more

succesfully it is proof that it works well

 

if people failed there r many rasons apart from the tools., skills of the

astrologer

 

like the Karma balance sheet and its outlays for this life.

 

I have said a good prediction has a equilateral triange a serious question, a

good astrologer and the almighty above who forms the other part if he links the

line only can the worst of best of astrologers deliver else one may never meet

the best in time and get the best advice even from a starter in the subject

 

u can see many missing appointments with the best or not using the guidlines

given in time or the astrologer remember what he ought to have said than what he

said after the person has left and is out of calling area.

 

so dont put all just to techncalities alone our karma will dictate the end

result by propar balanced karma we can reap the max in this life and better the

karma balance sheet for the next life

 

best wishes

 

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

" astro_explorer " <astro_explorer

 

Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:53:12 PM

Why Most Astrologers Are Not Accurate and What We Can Do About It

 

 

Namaskar,

 

Parasara states in his Magnum Opus, " Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra " , that

prediction is difficult even for a sage. What to say of ordinary mortals like us

then? I would venture to say that the great majority of astrologers, even the so

called " legends " in this business, have not thoroughly perused his great tome-

and quite frankly, do not have the intellect or perseverance to understand it

much less apply it's vast techniques.

 

If I may ask a few questions to my esteemed readers, both astrologers and

clients : Did your astrologer even mention Gulika or Yama Ghantaka to you, did

you think he at least made use of them? Do you even know what they are? Did your

astrologer use Kalachakra Dasha " KCD " (A highly refined timing system)? Did you

know that Parasara speaks most highly of KCD and not the over-used and

over-fitted Vimshottari Dasha? Does your astrologer know to rectify your birth

time with the supremely time-sensitive KCD? Did he even bother to rectify your

time of birth at all? A proper birth-time is CRITICAL to all predictions! Did

your astrologer use any conditional dashas?- is Sun in your first house? - then

surely he must have used Shashti Hayani dasha- or maybe not. Did he use transits

and the Sudarshana Chakra to really fine tune his timing for you? I willing to

bet the most will answer the above questions in the negative- and now you have a

teeny-tiny glimpse of why

you didn't get the results you were seeking.

 

If you have a moment please read the following message if you are interested in

Vedic Astrology but want to either learn or contribute to how it can give all

you far more consistent and concrete answers. This is NOT a sales pitch of any

type.

 

It is my genuine supposition that the overwhelming majority of astrologers fail

in their analysis and that this failure is attributable to two primary reasons.

Of course, we must define failure first. Failure can be defined as the inability

to consistently and accurately assess a given querent's strengths, weaknesses

and personality. Failure also includes the persistent inability to accurately

time the querent's major life events- too many astrologers indulge in giving

beautiful explanations of past events but are utterly incapable of looking into

the future. Conversely, one may ask, what is success? I define success, in the

astrological realm, as an accuracy rate (dealing with major issues) some where

in the 65% to 75% vicinity. Anybody claiming substantially higher, especially on

a long-term basis, is a liar or a sage.

 

The first reason is largely but not completely out of the astrologer's control.

The second far more important reason is largely under the astrologer's control

but is greatly limited by his skill, intelligence and diligence. Astrology, at

it's core, deals with probabilities- some events can be forecasted with greater

accuracy than others and some simply cannot be seen at all-querents need to be

made aware of this. As we all know, a single natal chart is embedded with a

mind-boggling array of details, astrologers must be able to parse out the major

relevant issues and holistically synthesize them; though like most things worth

doing, easier said than done. I don't know if astrology is a science, it seems

more like an art. I don't know if astrology is perfect as many loudly proclaim,

perfection seems impossible in this world. Nevertheless, as many here would

agree, astrology can be quite useful. I would now like to ask you all a very

serious question.

 

How many of you have had sub-par reading from your astrologer? I would venture

to say that many of you have had less than satisfying experiences. Almost all

astrologers over-promise, over-charge and under-perform. Let me bluntly ask, can

anybody off the street become a surgeon? The barriers of entry into medicine are

quite high but the barriers of entry into astrology are simply non-existent. Too

many astrologers, even well known ones, provide shabby analysis in order to make

a quick 200 dollars an hour or whatever outlandish fee they charge for such

mediocrity.

 

Just so readers know my vantage point. I have been to many astrologers in search

of the best, too many to count in fact. I have been to the legends, to complete

unknowns, as well as everything in the middle. I can safely say that out of the

many I encountered, including a few with a presence on internet boards, I was

only impressed with three to four at most! In order to counter the widespread

ignorance of proper astrological techniques in this Kali Yuga we have formed a

small but dedicated astrology research and application group.

 

Please click on the following link and apply for free membership in our newly

formed group:

 

http://health. groups.. com revati_energetic s_true_vedic_

astrology/

 

Our group deals with unearthing, interpreting and applying the secrets

contained in the BPHS. It will also feature free lessons for beginners and

intermediates. Though this group mainly concerns advanced astrological concepts

everybody is encouraged to join. It is run by an astrologer by the name of

Revati, the finest I know of. I wrote this message for him because I really

believe in his work. I have nothing to gain from it. Ask questions to your

heart's content, nobody is asking for anything in return. We all can learn

something.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Friend, I have another view.

 

Please note that we are also do not have the correct birth time. May be in the

last 10 years the doctors do record correct time (+ or - 2 min) Before that the

time difference was much higher. If you scan some 100 mails, the birth time will

be like 12.10, 12.15,12.20 etc. and not 12.07, 12.12 etc. Becsue the nurse first

take care of mother and baby and come out after 30 minutes. What ever time she

tells is the time.

 

Olden days the child birth was at home and the jadakarma was done within 30

days. Since jadakarma was practised, people immediately note dthe time also.

 

Now we write horescope after 20 years. Parent also do not remeber and say 12 or

12.30 where the actual was 12.10.

 

This is also a major reason. Now most doctors give the right time and please do

the jadakarma along with namakarma. 75% of the case the problem is with the

horescope.

 

 

 

regards

 

sankar

 

 

 

--- On Thu, 7/16/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote:

 

 

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

Re: Why Most Astrologers Are Not Accurate and What We Can Do About

It 16/7

 

Thursday, July 16, 2009, 11:45 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Member

 

whover u may be mostly a FAKE ID of some old member troubling groups.

 

NOW Maharashi Parashara has given many dasas and has clearly said in KALI YUGA

it is only UDU-or Vimshottari alone that works,

 

BPHS was written much earlier to Kali Yuga so pl bear in mind the change

 

by trying to bombastically use words , more of jargon than real significance

issues cant be created or image built

 

if SCHOLARS LIKE Dr B V RAMAN ji used parasari's vimshottari, and othes like KPS

MENAON, PS SHASTRY, H R SHESHADRI IYER, VAK IYER, M R BHATT, V Subramanya

shastry, B Suryanarayana rao, gayathri devi vasudev, Bhasin many more

succesfully it is proof that it works well

 

if people failed there r many rasons apart from the tools., skills of the

astrologer

 

like the Karma balance sheet and its outlays for this life.

 

I have said a good prediction has a equilateral triange a serious question, a

good astrologer and the almighty above who forms the other part if he links the

line only can the worst of best of astrologers deliver else one may never meet

the best in time and get the best advice even from a starter in the subject

 

u can see many missing appointments with the best or not using the guidlines

given in time or the astrologer remember what he ought to have said than what he

said after the person has left and is out of calling area.

 

so dont put all just to techncalities alone our karma will dictate the end

result by propar balanced karma we can reap the max in this life and better the

karma balance sheet for the next life

 

best wishes

 

____________ _________ _________ __

" astro_explorer@ ymail.com " <astro_explorer@ ymail.com>

 

Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:53:12 PM

Why Most Astrologers Are Not Accurate and What We Can Do About It

 

Namaskar,

 

Parasara states in his Magnum Opus, " Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra " , that

prediction is difficult even for a sage. What to say of ordinary mortals like us

then? I would venture to say that the great majority of astrologers, even the so

called " legends " in this business, have not thoroughly perused his great tome-

and quite frankly, do not have the intellect or perseverance to understand it

much less apply it's vast techniques.

 

If I may ask a few questions to my esteemed readers, both astrologers and

clients : Did your astrologer even mention Gulika or Yama Ghantaka to you, did

you think he at least made use of them? Do you even know what they are? Did your

astrologer use Kalachakra Dasha " KCD " (A highly refined timing system)? Did you

know that Parasara speaks most highly of KCD and not the over-used and

over-fitted Vimshottari Dasha? Does your astrologer know to rectify your birth

time with the supremely time-sensitive KCD? Did he even bother to rectify your

time of birth at all? A proper birth-time is CRITICAL to all predictions! Did

your astrologer use any conditional dashas?- is Sun in your first house? - then

surely he must have used Shashti Hayani dasha- or maybe not. Did he use transits

and the Sudarshana Chakra to really fine tune his timing for you? I willing to

bet the most will answer the above questions in the negative- and now you have a

teeny-tiny glimpse of why

you didn't get the results you were seeking.

 

If you have a moment please read the following message if you are interested in

Vedic Astrology but want to either learn or contribute to how it can give all

you far more consistent and concrete answers. This is NOT a sales pitch of any

type.

 

It is my genuine supposition that the overwhelming majority of astrologers fail

in their analysis and that this failure is attributable to two primary reasons.

Of course, we must define failure first. Failure can be defined as the inability

to consistently and accurately assess a given querent's strengths, weaknesses

and personality. Failure also includes the persistent inability to accurately

time the querent's major life events- too many astrologers indulge in giving

beautiful explanations of past events but are utterly incapable of looking into

the future. Conversely, one may ask, what is success? I define success, in the

astrological realm, as an accuracy rate (dealing with major issues) some where

in the 65% to 75% vicinity. Anybody claiming substantially higher, especially on

a long-term basis, is a liar or a sage.

 

The first reason is largely but not completely out of the astrologer's control.

The second far more important reason is largely under the astrologer's control

but is greatly limited by his skill, intelligence and diligence. Astrology, at

it's core, deals with probabilities- some events can be forecasted with greater

accuracy than others and some simply cannot be seen at all-querents need to be

made aware of this. As we all know, a single natal chart is embedded with a

mind-boggling array of details, astrologers must be able to parse out the major

relevant issues and holistically synthesize them; though like most things worth

doing, easier said than done. I don't know if astrology is a science, it seems

more like an art. I don't know if astrology is perfect as many loudly proclaim,

perfection seems impossible in this world. Nevertheless, as many here would

agree, astrology can be quite useful. I would now like to ask you all a very

serious question.

 

How many of you have had sub-par reading from your astrologer? I would venture

to say that many of you have had less than satisfying experiences. Almost all

astrologers over-promise, over-charge and under-perform. Let me bluntly ask, can

anybody off the street become a surgeon? The barriers of entry into medicine are

quite high but the barriers of entry into astrology are simply non-existent. Too

many astrologers, even well known ones, provide shabby analysis in order to make

a quick 200 dollars an hour or whatever outlandish fee they charge for such

mediocrity.

 

Just so readers know my vantage point. I have been to many astrologers in search

of the best, too many to count in fact. I have been to the legends, to complete

unknowns, as well as everything in the middle. I can safely say that out of the

many I encountered, including a few with a presence on internet boards, I was

only impressed with three to four at most! In order to counter the widespread

ignorance of proper astrological techniques in this Kali Yuga we have formed a

small but dedicated astrology research and application group.

 

Please click on the following link and apply for free membership in our newly

formed group:

 

http://health. groups.. com revati_energetic s_true_vedic_

astrology/

 

Our group deals with unearthing, interpreting and applying the secrets contained

in the BPHS. It will also feature free lessons for beginners and intermediates.

Though this group mainly concerns advanced astrological concepts everybody is

encouraged to join. It is run by an astrologer by the name of Revati, the finest

I know of. I wrote this message for him because I really believe in his work. I

have nothing to gain from it. Ask questions to your heart's content, nobody is

asking for anything in return. We all can learn something.

 

 

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I am quite amazed and intrigued by the ready acceptance -- by this group which

claims to be scientifically and logically/rationally oriented of this

strongly-worded claim that this thread is making as depicted in the header!

 

It seems that astrological communities are too ready to believe that astrologers

are indeed mostly not accurate? Why such feelings of inferiority in what we all

love and have studied and practiced and so on?

 

What is this claim, namely, " Most Astrologers Are Not Accurate... " , based on?

Who conducted the survey, when, how many astrologers were examined and what

exactly were the protocols and factors that went into this 'demographic'

examination/survey?

 

Sadly, I have also read counter-positions some of which were voiced by respected

experts in astrology which seemed to indicate that 82% of readings are accurate.

Again, at the risk of being at the wrong end of the stick, I asked exactly how

this conclusion was arrived at. No satisfactory answer!

 

Then I keep hearing this claim that Lahiri ayanamsha is used by MOST jyotishis.

Most jyotishis? Most jyotishis from one or two schools? Most jyotishis on

internet? I was recently informed by someone that MOST jyotishis (it can be

safely stated that India perhaps boasts a lion's share of Jyotishis so a few

handful in North America or UK or even Europe collectively represent a relative

minority globally!) are not on internet or have computers and many of these

still follow local panchaangs only some of which may be based on this wonderful

Lahiri Ayanamsha which was blessed by The Government of India! I did not know

that Government of India had the expertise or ability to pronounce on what works

in astrology. Govt of India has as much ability to knowingly accreditate

astrology and astrologers as the converse group (Carl Sagan and the 182 Nobel

Laureates who signed a petition against astrology!) had to decry and pronounce

against astrology!

 

Anecdotal accounts and impressions as well as Old wives' tales as the expression

goes are not entire untrue and may have a kernal of truth in them, but they

should be the beginning of a research project and not the final conclusion!

 

And a petition that is 'unsigned' loses its value for most of us who are not

superstitious but can think and see an advertisement, self-promotional gimmick

for what it is!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

-- , " sankaranarayanan k.s "

<shankypriyan wrote:

>

> Dear Friend, I have another view.

>  

> Please note that we are also do not have the correct birth time. May be in the

last 10 years the doctors do record correct time (+ or - 2 min) Before that the

time difference was much higher. If you scan some 100 mails, the birth time will

be like 12.10, 12.15,12.20 etc. and not 12.07, 12.12 etc. Becsue the nurse first

take care of mother and baby and come out after 30 minutes. What ever time she

tells is the time.

>  

> Olden days the child birth was at home and the jadakarma was done within 30

days. Since jadakarma was practised, people immediately note dthe time also.

>  

> Now we write horescope after 20 years. Parent also do not remeber and say 12

or 12.30 where the actual was 12.10.

>  

> This is also a major reason. Now most doctors give the right time and please

do the jadakarma along with namakarma. 75% of the case the problem is with the

horescope.

>  

>  

>  

> regards

>  

> sankar

>  

>

>

> --- On Thu, 7/16/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote:

>

>

> Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

> Re: Why Most Astrologers Are Not Accurate and What We Can Do

About It 16/7

>

> Thursday, July 16, 2009, 11:45 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Member

>

> whover u may be mostly a FAKE ID of some old member troubling groups.

>

> NOW Maharashi Parashara has given many dasas and has clearly said in KALI YUGA

it is only UDU-or Vimshottari alone that works,

>

> BPHS was written much earlier to Kali Yuga so pl bear in mind the change

>

> by trying to bombastically use words , more of jargon than real significance

issues cant be created or image built

>

> if SCHOLARS LIKE Dr B V RAMAN ji used parasari's vimshottari, and othes like

KPS MENAON, PS SHASTRY, H R SHESHADRI IYER, VAK IYER, M R BHATT, V Subramanya

shastry, B Suryanarayana rao, gayathri devi vasudev, Bhasin many more

succesfully it is proof that it works well

>

> if people failed there r many rasons apart from the tools., skills of the

astrologer

>

> like the Karma balance sheet and its outlays for this life.

>

> I have said a good prediction has a equilateral triange a serious question, a

good astrologer and the almighty above who forms the other part if he links the

line only can the worst of best of astrologers deliver else one may never meet

the best in time and get the best advice even from a starter in the subject

>

> u can see many missing appointments with the best or not using the guidlines

given in time or the astrologer remember what he ought to have said than what he

said after the person has left and is out of calling area.

>

> so dont put all just to techncalities alone our karma will dictate the end

result by propar balanced karma we can reap the max in this life and better the

karma balance sheet for the next life

>

> best wishes

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> " astro_explorer@ ymail.com " <astro_explorer@ ymail.com>

>

> Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:53:12 PM

> Why Most Astrologers Are Not Accurate and What We Can Do About

It

>

> Namaskar,

>

> Parasara states in his Magnum Opus, " Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra " , that

prediction is difficult even for a sage. What to say of ordinary mortals like us

then? I would venture to say that the great majority of astrologers, even the so

called " legends " in this business, have not thoroughly perused his great tome-

and quite frankly, do not have the intellect or perseverance to understand it

much less apply it's vast techniques.

>

> If I may ask a few questions to my esteemed readers, both astrologers and

clients : Did your astrologer even mention Gulika or Yama Ghantaka to you, did

you think he at least made use of them? Do you even know what they are? Did your

astrologer use Kalachakra Dasha " KCD " (A highly refined timing system)? Did you

know that Parasara speaks most highly of KCD and not the over-used and

over-fitted Vimshottari Dasha? Does your astrologer know to rectify your birth

time with the supremely time-sensitive KCD? Did he even bother to rectify your

time of birth at all? A proper birth-time is CRITICAL to all predictions! Did

your astrologer use any conditional dashas?- is Sun in your first house? - then

surely he must have used Shashti Hayani dasha- or maybe not. Did he use transits

and the Sudarshana Chakra to really fine tune his timing for you? I willing to

bet the most will answer the above questions in the negative- and now you have a

teeny-tiny glimpse of why

> you didn't get the results you were seeking.

>

> If you have a moment please read the following message if you are interested

in Vedic Astrology but want to either learn or contribute to how it can give all

you far more consistent and concrete answers. This is NOT a sales pitch of any

type.

>

> It is my genuine supposition that the overwhelming majority of astrologers

fail in their analysis and that this failure is attributable to two primary

reasons. Of course, we must define failure first. Failure can be defined as the

inability to consistently and accurately assess a given querent's strengths,

weaknesses and personality. Failure also includes the persistent inability to

accurately time the querent's major life events- too many astrologers indulge in

giving beautiful explanations of past events but are utterly incapable of

looking into the future. Conversely, one may ask, what is success? I define

success, in the astrological realm, as an accuracy rate (dealing with major

issues) some where in the 65% to 75% vicinity. Anybody claiming substantially

higher, especially on a long-term basis, is a liar or a sage.

>

> The first reason is largely but not completely out of the astrologer's

control. The second far more important reason is largely under the astrologer's

control but is greatly limited by his skill, intelligence and diligence.

Astrology, at it's core, deals with probabilities- some events can be forecasted

with greater accuracy than others and some simply cannot be seen at all-querents

need to be made aware of this. As we all know, a single natal chart is embedded

with a mind-boggling array of details, astrologers must be able to parse out the

major relevant issues and holistically synthesize them; though like most things

worth doing, easier said than done. I don't know if astrology is a science, it

seems more like an art. I don't know if astrology is perfect as many loudly

proclaim, perfection seems impossible in this world. Nevertheless, as many here

would agree, astrology can be quite useful. I would now like to ask you all a

very serious question.

>

> How many of you have had sub-par reading from your astrologer? I would venture

to say that many of you have had less than satisfying experiences. Almost all

astrologers over-promise, over-charge and under-perform. Let me bluntly ask, can

anybody off the street become a surgeon? The barriers of entry into medicine are

quite high but the barriers of entry into astrology are simply non-existent. Too

many astrologers, even well known ones, provide shabby analysis in order to make

a quick 200 dollars an hour or whatever outlandish fee they charge for such

mediocrity.

>

> Just so readers know my vantage point. I have been to many astrologers in

search of the best, too many to count in fact. I have been to the legends, to

complete unknowns, as well as everything in the middle. I can safely say that

out of the many I encountered, including a few with a presence on internet

boards, I was only impressed with three to four at most! In order to counter the

widespread ignorance of proper astrological techniques in this Kali Yuga we have

formed a small but dedicated astrology research and application group.

>

> Please click on the following link and apply for free membership in our newly

formed group:

>

> http://health. groups.. com revati_energetic s_true_vedic_

astrology/

>

> Our group deals with unearthing, interpreting and applying the secrets

contained in the BPHS. It will also feature free lessons for beginners and

intermediates. Though this group mainly concerns advanced astrological concepts

everybody is encouraged to join. It is run by an astrologer by the name of

Revati, the finest I know of. I wrote this message for him because I really

believe in his work. I have nothing to gain from it. Ask questions to your

heart's content, nobody is asking for anything in return. We all can learn

something.

>

>

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Dear Friends,

The issues raised by one of our member questioning the accuracy as well as the

jyotish procedures  are presumptive.it seems the fratenity's limitations in an

internet media have not been assed while assesing and reinforcing the outcome of

prognosis of the future events.

All of us tend to be specific based on the data and issues required to be

addressed.All of us who ever willing to analyse events look into the consistence

and pattern based on dasas as well as hora yet together with dasa to link later

to the natal charts for confirmation.Need for past events can not be discounted

to understand  pattern of evolving things that covers for future both good and

bad events.So it is not right to whisk away the need felt by Astrologer to grope

into past and delve the matter.In the question therfore lies logic and does not

need more eloberation. 

 

" too many astrologers indulge in giving beautiful explanations of past events "

2.The issues that can be attempted and analysed

simply cannot be seen at all-querents need to be made aware of this.

.. I don't know if astrology is perfect as many loudly proclaim, perfection seems

impossible

If Astrology is considered as an art ,perfection too based on astrologers

interest,involvement and depth of knowledge comes up and the Astrolgers has to

take learn this art also and develop himself to mature.

These criteria many astrologers have in them in this group and serving the

forum.Astrologers time is also essential to bring out his knowledge and express

to establish himself and get accloades.Most of the members in the field of

jyotish show keen interest and in the time available they address the issue and

provide guidance.it is therefore imperative that the time availble is used with

the ambition that the opportunity available in the group is helpful to them also

in professional life.

So the perfection is individual prerogative and should be given the opportunity.

'a small but dedicated astrology research and application group'Iam sure this

3.open ended information helps many to evince interest to further knowledge and

take advantage of the proposition.

4.Analysis based on sound technics of appln of various dasas and sudarshan

chakras.

These  are often used by most of the seniot members who have been involved with

field of jyotis of more than 2 decades.The observation how ever is to ascertain

to get answer yes or no but not other p

make jyotish as a perfect knowledge.

--- On Sat, 7/18/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote:

 

 

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

Re: Why Most Astrologers Are Not Accurate and What We Can Do About

It 16/7

 

Saturday, July 18, 2009, 8:54 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am quite amazed and intrigued by the ready acceptance -- by this group which

claims to be scientifically and logically/rationall y oriented of this

strongly-worded claim that this thread is making as depicted in the header!

 

It seems that astrological communities are too ready to believe that astrologers

are indeed mostly not accurate? Why such feelings of inferiority in what we all

love and have studied and practiced and so on?

 

What is this claim, namely, " Most Astrologers Are Not Accurate... " , based on?

Who conducted the survey, when, how many astrologers were examined and what

exactly were the protocols and factors that went into this 'demographic'

examination/ survey?

 

Sadly, I have also read counter-positions some of which were voiced by respected

experts in astrology which seemed to indicate that 82% of readings are accurate.

Again, at the risk of being at the wrong end of the stick, I asked exactly how

this conclusion was arrived at. No satisfactory answer!

 

Then I keep hearing this claim that Lahiri ayanamsha is used by MOST jyotishis.

Most jyotishis? Most jyotishis from one or two schools? Most jyotishis on

internet? I was recently informed by someone that MOST jyotishis (it can be

safely stated that India perhaps boasts a lion's share of Jyotishis so a few

handful in North America or UK or even Europe collectively represent a relative

minority globally!) are not on internet or have computers and many of these

still follow local panchaangs only some of which may be based on this wonderful

Lahiri Ayanamsha which was blessed by The Government of India! I did not know

that Government of India had the expertise or ability to pronounce on what works

in astrology. Govt of India has as much ability to knowingly accreditate

astrology and astrologers as the converse group (Carl Sagan and the 182 Nobel

Laureates who signed a petition against astrology!) had to decry and pronounce

against astrology!

 

Anecdotal accounts and impressions as well as Old wives' tales as the expression

goes are not entire untrue and may have a kernal of truth in them, but they

should be the beginning of a research project and not the final conclusion!

 

And a petition that is 'unsigned' loses its value for most of us who are not

superstitious but can think and see an advertisement, self-promotional gimmick

for what it is!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

--, " sankaranarayanan k.s "

<shankypriyan@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Friend, I have another view.

>  

> Please note that we are also do not have the correct birth time. May be in the

last 10 years the doctors do record correct time (+ or - 2 min) Before that the

time difference was much higher. If you scan some 100 mails, the birth time will

be like 12.10, 12.15,12.20 etc. and not 12.07, 12.12 etc. Becsue the nurse first

take care of mother and baby and come out after 30 minutes. What ever time she

tells is the time.

>  

> Olden days the child birth was at home and the jadakarma was done within 30

days. Since jadakarma was practised, people immediately note dthe time also.

>  

> Now we write horescope after 20 years. Parent also do not remeber and say 12

or 12.30 where the actual was 12.10.

>  

> This is also a major reason. Now most doctors give the right time and please

do the jadakarma along with namakarma. 75% of the case the problem is with the

horescope.

>  

>  

>  

> regards

>  

> sankar

>  

>

>

> --- On Thu, 7/16/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote:

>

>

> Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..>

> Re: Why Most Astrologers Are Not Accurate and What We Can Do

About It 16/7

>

> Thursday, July 16, 2009, 11:45 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Member

>

> whover u may be mostly a FAKE ID of some old member troubling groups.

>

> NOW Maharashi Parashara has given many dasas and has clearly said in KALI YUGA

it is only UDU-or Vimshottari alone that works,

>

> BPHS was written much earlier to Kali Yuga so pl bear in mind the change

>

> by trying to bombastically use words , more of jargon than real significance

issues cant be created or image built

>

> if SCHOLARS LIKE Dr B V RAMAN ji used parasari's vimshottari, and othes like

KPS MENAON, PS SHASTRY, H R SHESHADRI IYER, VAK IYER, M R BHATT, V Subramanya

shastry, B Suryanarayana rao, gayathri devi vasudev, Bhasin many more

succesfully it is proof that it works well

>

> if people failed there r many rasons apart from the tools., skills of the

astrologer

>

> like the Karma balance sheet and its outlays for this life.

>

> I have said a good prediction has a equilateral triange a serious question, a

good astrologer and the almighty above who forms the other part if he links the

line only can the worst of best of astrologers deliver else one may never meet

the best in time and get the best advice even from a starter in the subject

>

> u can see many missing appointments with the best or not using the guidlines

given in time or the astrologer remember what he ought to have said than what he

said after the person has left and is out of calling area.

>

> so dont put all just to techncalities alone our karma will dictate the end

result by propar balanced karma we can reap the max in this life and better the

karma balance sheet for the next life

>

> best wishes

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> " astro_explorer@ ymail.com " <astro_explorer@ ymail.com>

>

> Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:53:12 PM

> Why Most Astrologers Are Not Accurate and What We Can Do About

It

>

> Namaskar,

>

> Parasara states in his Magnum Opus, " Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra " , that

prediction is difficult even for a sage. What to say of ordinary mortals like us

then? I would venture to say that the great majority of astrologers, even the so

called " legends " in this business, have not thoroughly perused his great tome-

and quite frankly, do not have the intellect or perseverance to understand it

much less apply it's vast techniques.

>

> If I may ask a few questions to my esteemed readers, both astrologers and

clients : Did your astrologer even mention Gulika or Yama Ghantaka to you, did

you think he at least made use of them? Do you even know what they are? Did your

astrologer use Kalachakra Dasha " KCD " (A highly refined timing system)? Did you

know that Parasara speaks most highly of KCD and not the over-used and

over-fitted Vimshottari Dasha? Does your astrologer know to rectify your birth

time with the supremely time-sensitive KCD? Did he even bother to rectify your

time of birth at all? A proper birth-time is CRITICAL to all predictions! Did

your astrologer use any conditional dashas?- is Sun in your first house? - then

surely he must have used Shashti Hayani dasha- or maybe not. Did he use transits

and the Sudarshana Chakra to really fine tune his timing for you? I willing to

bet the most will answer the above questions in the negative- and now you have a

teeny-tiny glimpse of

why

> you didn't get the results you were seeking.

>

> If you have a moment please read the following message if you are interested

in Vedic Astrology but want to either learn or contribute to how it can give all

you far more consistent and concrete answers. This is NOT a sales pitch of any

type.

>

> It is my genuine supposition that the overwhelming majority of astrologers

fail in their analysis and that this failure is attributable to two primary

reasons. Of course, we must define failure first. Failure can be defined as the

inability to consistently and accurately assess a given querent's strengths,

weaknesses and personality. Failure also includes the persistent inability to

accurately time the querent's major life events- too many astrologers indulge in

giving beautiful explanations of past events but are utterly incapable of

looking into the future. Conversely, one may ask, what is success? I define

success, in the astrological realm, as an accuracy rate (dealing with major

issues) some where in the 65% to 75% vicinity. Anybody claiming substantially

higher, especially on a long-term basis, is a liar or a sage.

>

> The first reason is largely but not completely out of the astrologer's

control. The second far more important reason is largely under the astrologer's

control but is greatly limited by his skill, intelligence and diligence.

Astrology, at it's core, deals with probabilities- some events can be forecasted

with greater accuracy than others and some simply cannot be seen at all-querents

need to be made aware of this. As we all know, a single natal chart is embedded

with a mind-boggling array of details, astrologers must be able to parse out the

major relevant issues and holistically synthesize them; though like most things

worth doing, easier said than done. I don't know if astrology is a science, it

seems more like an art. I don't know if astrology is perfect as many loudly

proclaim, perfection seems impossible in this world. Nevertheless, as many here

would agree, astrology can be quite useful. I would now like to ask you all a

very serious question.

>

> How many of you have had sub-par reading from your astrologer? I would venture

to say that many of you have had less than satisfying experiences. Almost all

astrologers over-promise, over-charge and under-perform. Let me bluntly ask, can

anybody off the street become a surgeon? The barriers of entry into medicine are

quite high but the barriers of entry into astrology are simply non-existent. Too

many astrologers, even well known ones, provide shabby analysis in order to make

a quick 200 dollars an hour or whatever outlandish fee they charge for such

mediocrity.

>

> Just so readers know my vantage point. I have been to many astrologers in

search of the best, too many to count in fact. I have been to the legends, to

complete unknowns, as well as everything in the middle. I can safely say that

out of the many I encountered, including a few with a presence on internet

boards, I was only impressed with three to four at most! In order to counter the

widespread ignorance of proper astrological techniques in this Kali Yuga we have

formed a small but dedicated astrology research and application group.

>

> Please click on the following link and apply for free membership in our newly

formed group:

>

> http://health. groups.. com revati_energetic s_true_vedic_

astrology/

>

> Our group deals with unearthing, interpreting and applying the secrets

contained in the BPHS. It will also feature free lessons for beginners and

intermediates. Though this group mainly concerns advanced astrological concepts

everybody is encouraged to join. It is run by an astrologer by the name of

Revati, the finest I know of. I wrote this message for him because I really

believe in his work. I have nothing to gain from it. Ask questions to your

heart's content, nobody is asking for anything in return. We all can learn

something.

>

>

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Interesting.

 

Why do you have an article on Boloji.com that details how one should choose a

gem for remedial purposes?

 

http://www.boloji.com/astro/00314.htm

 

 

Remedies require even a further leap of faith than astrology but here you are,

spelling out specifics as to how to choose a gem! Do you have any studies or

surveys in your possession that prove gems work for the purposes of making weak

benefics stronger as you say? Why not use gems for functional and inherent

malefics? What studies do you have that prove we should not use gems in this

manner? What kind of statistical protocols did you use EXACTLY? Or did you rely

on your experience and the experience of others?

 

This is really a common sense issue. If I told you that a surgeon who was going

to operate on you didn't pass any of his exams and only trained for a year or

two do you think it might be prudent for you to see somebody else? Or would you

want to see a statistical study which proved that surgeons who do not pass their

exams and have trained for only a limited time should not be operating? Most

astrologers do not even have the intelligence of a everyday doctor! I can see

the results of most astrologers who post on this website and others, they are

abysmal. Many of the explanations offered for events are laughable. The barriers

of entry into astrology are also laughable.

 

For your information I have queried more than 50 astrologers (as well as

obtained detailed readings from them), in person ,on the phone or via email. I

can safely say that most were dead wrong on many major issues. (Some of the

astrologers I visited are considered legends, including KN Rao and Gayatri Devi

Vasudev) Out of the 50 or so I met, I found only 3 to 4, perhaps five, that

could consistently give accurate analysis and predictions- All of these folks

possessed a very brilliant and creative intelligence. How many astrologers do

you think are on this level? Now keep in mind that the 50 or so astrologers I

received a reading from were pre-screened by me to begin with, so out of the 50

" best " I found only a few who were actually good.

 

 

If I told most people that they did not have what it takes to become a

professional athlete do you think they would be insulted? Probably not, they

know its the truth. Then why do you think people can simply learn astrology and

start giving consistent predictions? Its an immensely difficult skill to pick

up. Remember what Parasara said about sages? Only a few can practice this art

consistently and accurately. Just think about....we are attempting to predict

the FUTURE. Let that sink in.

 

On an entirely separate issue I can also say that about 85% used the well known

Chitrapaksha ayanamsa. Its not a stretch to assume that a majority of

astrologers do use Chitrapaksha. Most of the great, well known astrologers that

everyone looks at for inspiration also use Chitrapaksha. A survey would be nice.

You've been complaining about this issue for a number of years, why not go out

and do one?

 

 

 

, " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan

wrote:

>

> I am quite amazed and intrigued by the ready acceptance -- by this group which

claims to be scientifically and logically/rationally oriented of this

strongly-worded claim that this thread is making as depicted in the header!

>

> It seems that astrological communities are too ready to believe that

astrologers are indeed mostly not accurate? Why such feelings of inferiority in

what we all love and have studied and practiced and so on?

>

> What is this claim, namely, " Most Astrologers Are Not Accurate... " , based on?

Who conducted the survey, when, how many astrologers were examined and what

exactly were the protocols and factors that went into this 'demographic'

examination/survey?

>

> Sadly, I have also read counter-positions some of which were voiced by

respected experts in astrology which seemed to indicate that 82% of readings are

accurate. Again, at the risk of being at the wrong end of the stick, I asked

exactly how this conclusion was arrived at. No satisfactory answer!

>

> Then I keep hearing this claim that Lahiri ayanamsha is used by MOST

jyotishis. Most jyotishis? Most jyotishis from one or two schools? Most

jyotishis on internet? I was recently informed by someone that MOST jyotishis

(it can be safely stated that India perhaps boasts a lion's share of Jyotishis

so a few handful in North America or UK or even Europe collectively represent a

relative minority globally!) are not on internet or have computers and many of

these still follow local panchaangs only some of which may be based on this

wonderful Lahiri Ayanamsha which was blessed by The Government of India! I did

not know that Government of India had the expertise or ability to pronounce on

what works in astrology. Govt of India has as much ability to knowingly

accreditate astrology and astrologers as the converse group (Carl Sagan and the

182 Nobel Laureates who signed a petition against astrology!) had to decry and

pronounce against astrology!

>

> Anecdotal accounts and impressions as well as Old wives' tales as the

expression goes are not entire untrue and may have a kernal of truth in them,

but they should be the beginning of a research project and not the final

conclusion!

>

> And a petition that is 'unsigned' loses its value for most of us who are not

superstitious but can think and see an advertisement, self-promotional gimmick

for what it is!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

> -- , " sankaranarayanan k.s "

<shankypriyan@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friend, I have another view.

> >  

> > Please note that we are also do not have the correct birth time. May be in

the last 10 years the doctors do record correct time (+ or - 2 min) Before that

the time difference was much higher. If you scan some 100 mails, the birth time

will be like 12.10, 12.15,12.20 etc. and not 12.07, 12.12 etc. Becsue the nurse

first take care of mother and baby and come out after 30 minutes. What ever time

she tells is the time.

> >  

> > Olden days the child birth was at home and the jadakarma was done within 30

days. Since jadakarma was practised, people immediately note dthe time also.

> >  

> > Now we write horescope after 20 years. Parent also do not remeber and say 12

or 12.30 where the actual was 12.10.

> >  

> > This is also a major reason. Now most doctors give the right time and please

do the jadakarma along with namakarma. 75% of the case the problem is with the

horescope.

> >  

> >  

> >  

> > regards

> >  

> > sankar

> >  

> >

> >

> > --- On Thu, 7/16/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@>

> > Re: Why Most Astrologers Are Not Accurate and What We Can Do

About It 16/7

> >

> > Thursday, July 16, 2009, 11:45 PM

> >

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> > Member

> >

> > whover u may be mostly a FAKE ID of some old member troubling groups.

> >

> > NOW Maharashi Parashara has given many dasas and has clearly said in KALI

YUGA it is only UDU-or Vimshottari alone that works,

> >

> > BPHS was written much earlier to Kali Yuga so pl bear in mind the change

> >

> > by trying to bombastically use words , more of jargon than real significance

issues cant be created or image built

> >

> > if SCHOLARS LIKE Dr B V RAMAN ji used parasari's vimshottari, and othes like

KPS MENAON, PS SHASTRY, H R SHESHADRI IYER, VAK IYER, M R BHATT, V Subramanya

shastry, B Suryanarayana rao, gayathri devi vasudev, Bhasin many more

succesfully it is proof that it works well

> >

> > if people failed there r many rasons apart from the tools., skills of the

astrologer

> >

> > like the Karma balance sheet and its outlays for this life.

> >

> > I have said a good prediction has a equilateral triange a serious question,

a good astrologer and the almighty above who forms the other part if he links

the line only can the worst of best of astrologers deliver else one may never

meet the best in time and get the best advice even from a starter in the subject

> >

> > u can see many missing appointments with the best or not using the guidlines

given in time or the astrologer remember what he ought to have said than what he

said after the person has left and is out of calling area.

> >

> > so dont put all just to techncalities alone our karma will dictate the end

result by propar balanced karma we can reap the max in this life and better the

karma balance sheet for the next life

> >

> > best wishes

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > " astro_explorer@ ymail.com " <astro_explorer@ ymail.com>

> >

> > Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:53:12 PM

> > Why Most Astrologers Are Not Accurate and What We Can Do About

It

> >

> > Namaskar,

> >

> > Parasara states in his Magnum Opus, " Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra " , that

prediction is difficult even for a sage. What to say of ordinary mortals like us

then? I would venture to say that the great majority of astrologers, even the so

called " legends " in this business, have not thoroughly perused his great tome-

and quite frankly, do not have the intellect or perseverance to understand it

much less apply it's vast techniques.

> >

> > If I may ask a few questions to my esteemed readers, both astrologers and

clients : Did your astrologer even mention Gulika or Yama Ghantaka to you, did

you think he at least made use of them? Do you even know what they are? Did your

astrologer use Kalachakra Dasha " KCD " (A highly refined timing system)? Did you

know that Parasara speaks most highly of KCD and not the over-used and

over-fitted Vimshottari Dasha? Does your astrologer know to rectify your birth

time with the supremely time-sensitive KCD? Did he even bother to rectify your

time of birth at all? A proper birth-time is CRITICAL to all predictions! Did

your astrologer use any conditional dashas?- is Sun in your first house? - then

surely he must have used Shashti Hayani dasha- or maybe not. Did he use transits

and the Sudarshana Chakra to really fine tune his timing for you? I willing to

bet the most will answer the above questions in the negative- and now you have a

teeny-tiny glimpse of why

> > you didn't get the results you were seeking.

> >

> > If you have a moment please read the following message if you are interested

in Vedic Astrology but want to either learn or contribute to how it can give all

you far more consistent and concrete answers. This is NOT a sales pitch of any

type.

> >

> > It is my genuine supposition that the overwhelming majority of astrologers

fail in their analysis and that this failure is attributable to two primary

reasons. Of course, we must define failure first. Failure can be defined as the

inability to consistently and accurately assess a given querent's strengths,

weaknesses and personality. Failure also includes the persistent inability to

accurately time the querent's major life events- too many astrologers indulge in

giving beautiful explanations of past events but are utterly incapable of

looking into the future. Conversely, one may ask, what is success? I define

success, in the astrological realm, as an accuracy rate (dealing with major

issues) some where in the 65% to 75% vicinity. Anybody claiming substantially

higher, especially on a long-term basis, is a liar or a sage.

> >

> > The first reason is largely but not completely out of the astrologer's

control. The second far more important reason is largely under the astrologer's

control but is greatly limited by his skill, intelligence and diligence.

Astrology, at it's core, deals with probabilities- some events can be forecasted

with greater accuracy than others and some simply cannot be seen at all-querents

need to be made aware of this. As we all know, a single natal chart is embedded

with a mind-boggling array of details, astrologers must be able to parse out the

major relevant issues and holistically synthesize them; though like most things

worth doing, easier said than done. I don't know if astrology is a science, it

seems more like an art. I don't know if astrology is perfect as many loudly

proclaim, perfection seems impossible in this world. Nevertheless, as many here

would agree, astrology can be quite useful. I would now like to ask you all a

very serious question.

> >

> > How many of you have had sub-par reading from your astrologer? I would

venture to say that many of you have had less than satisfying experiences.

Almost all astrologers over-promise, over-charge and under-perform. Let me

bluntly ask, can anybody off the street become a surgeon? The barriers of entry

into medicine are quite high but the barriers of entry into astrology are simply

non-existent. Too many astrologers, even well known ones, provide shabby

analysis in order to make a quick 200 dollars an hour or whatever outlandish fee

they charge for such mediocrity.

> >

> > Just so readers know my vantage point. I have been to many astrologers in

search of the best, too many to count in fact. I have been to the legends, to

complete unknowns, as well as everything in the middle. I can safely say that

out of the many I encountered, including a few with a presence on internet

boards, I was only impressed with three to four at most! In order to counter the

widespread ignorance of proper astrological techniques in this Kali Yuga we have

formed a small but dedicated astrology research and application group.

> >

> > Please click on the following link and apply for free membership in our

newly formed group:

> >

> > http://health. groups.. com revati_energetic s_true_vedic_

astrology/

> >

> > Our group deals with unearthing, interpreting and applying the secrets

contained in the BPHS. It will also feature free lessons for beginners and

intermediates. Though this group mainly concerns advanced astrological concepts

everybody is encouraged to join. It is run by an astrologer by the name of

Revati, the finest I know of. I wrote this message for him because I really

believe in his work. I have nothing to gain from it. Ask questions to your

heart's content, nobody is asking for anything in return. We all can learn

something.

> >

> >

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Annonymity surely has its advantages! :-)

 

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, " astro_explorer "

<astro_explorer wrote:

>

> Interesting.

>

> Why do you have an article on Boloji.com that details how one should choose a

gem for remedial purposes?

>

> http://www.boloji.com/astro/00314.htm

>

>

> Remedies require even a further leap of faith than astrology but here you are,

spelling out specifics as to how to choose a gem! Do you have any studies or

surveys in your possession that prove gems work for the purposes of making weak

benefics stronger as you say? Why not use gems for functional and inherent

malefics? What studies do you have that prove we should not use gems in this

manner? What kind of statistical protocols did you use EXACTLY? Or did you rely

on your experience and the experience of others?

>

> This is really a common sense issue. If I told you that a surgeon who was

going to operate on you didn't pass any of his exams and only trained for a year

or two do you think it might be prudent for you to see somebody else? Or would

you want to see a statistical study which proved that surgeons who do not pass

their exams and have trained for only a limited time should not be operating?

Most astrologers do not even have the intelligence of a everyday doctor! I can

see the results of most astrologers who post on this website and others, they

are abysmal. Many of the explanations offered for events are laughable. The

barriers of entry into astrology are also laughable.

>

> For your information I have queried more than 50 astrologers (as well as

obtained detailed readings from them), in person ,on the phone or via email. I

can safely say that most were dead wrong on many major issues. (Some of the

astrologers I visited are considered legends, including KN Rao and Gayatri Devi

Vasudev) Out of the 50 or so I met, I found only 3 to 4, perhaps five, that

could consistently give accurate analysis and predictions- All of these folks

possessed a very brilliant and creative intelligence. How many astrologers do

you think are on this level? Now keep in mind that the 50 or so astrologers I

received a reading from were pre-screened by me to begin with, so out of the 50

" best " I found only a few who were actually good.

>

>

> If I told most people that they did not have what it takes to become a

professional athlete do you think they would be insulted? Probably not, they

know its the truth. Then why do you think people can simply learn astrology and

start giving consistent predictions? Its an immensely difficult skill to pick

up. Remember what Parasara said about sages? Only a few can practice this art

consistently and accurately. Just think about....we are attempting to predict

the FUTURE. Let that sink in.

>

> On an entirely separate issue I can also say that about 85% used the well

known Chitrapaksha ayanamsa. Its not a stretch to assume that a majority of

astrologers do use Chitrapaksha. Most of the great, well known astrologers that

everyone looks at for inspiration also use Chitrapaksha. A survey would be nice.

You've been complaining about this issue for a number of years, why not go out

and do one?

>

>

>

> , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@>

wrote:

> >

> > I am quite amazed and intrigued by the ready acceptance -- by this group

which claims to be scientifically and logically/rationally oriented of this

strongly-worded claim that this thread is making as depicted in the header!

> >

> > It seems that astrological communities are too ready to believe that

astrologers are indeed mostly not accurate? Why such feelings of inferiority in

what we all love and have studied and practiced and so on?

> >

> > What is this claim, namely, " Most Astrologers Are Not Accurate... " , based

on? Who conducted the survey, when, how many astrologers were examined and what

exactly were the protocols and factors that went into this 'demographic'

examination/survey?

> >

> > Sadly, I have also read counter-positions some of which were voiced by

respected experts in astrology which seemed to indicate that 82% of readings are

accurate. Again, at the risk of being at the wrong end of the stick, I asked

exactly how this conclusion was arrived at. No satisfactory answer!

> >

> > Then I keep hearing this claim that Lahiri ayanamsha is used by MOST

jyotishis. Most jyotishis? Most jyotishis from one or two schools? Most

jyotishis on internet? I was recently informed by someone that MOST jyotishis

(it can be safely stated that India perhaps boasts a lion's share of Jyotishis

so a few handful in North America or UK or even Europe collectively represent a

relative minority globally!) are not on internet or have computers and many of

these still follow local panchaangs only some of which may be based on this

wonderful Lahiri Ayanamsha which was blessed by The Government of India! I did

not know that Government of India had the expertise or ability to pronounce on

what works in astrology. Govt of India has as much ability to knowingly

accreditate astrology and astrologers as the converse group (Carl Sagan and the

182 Nobel Laureates who signed a petition against astrology!) had to decry and

pronounce against astrology!

> >

> > Anecdotal accounts and impressions as well as Old wives' tales as the

expression goes are not entire untrue and may have a kernal of truth in them,

but they should be the beginning of a research project and not the final

conclusion!

> >

> > And a petition that is 'unsigned' loses its value for most of us who are not

superstitious but can think and see an advertisement, self-promotional gimmick

for what it is!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> >

> > -- , " sankaranarayanan k.s "

<shankypriyan@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Friend, I have another view.

> > >  

> > > Please note that we are also do not have the correct birth time. May be in

the last 10 years the doctors do record correct time (+ or - 2 min) Before that

the time difference was much higher. If you scan some 100 mails, the birth time

will be like 12.10, 12.15,12.20 etc. and not 12.07, 12.12 etc. Becsue the nurse

first take care of mother and baby and come out after 30 minutes. What ever time

she tells is the time.

> > >  

> > > Olden days the child birth was at home and the jadakarma was done within

30 days. Since jadakarma was practised, people immediately note dthe time also.

> > >  

> > > Now we write horescope after 20 years. Parent also do not remeber and say

12 or 12.30 where the actual was 12.10.

> > >  

> > > This is also a major reason. Now most doctors give the right time and

please do the jadakarma along with namakarma. 75% of the case the problem is

with the horescope.

> > >  

> > >  

> > >  

> > > regards

> > >  

> > > sankar

> > >  

> > >

> > >

> > > --- On Thu, 7/16/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@>

> > > Re: Why Most Astrologers Are Not Accurate and What We Can Do

About It 16/7

> > >

> > > Thursday, July 16, 2009, 11:45 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Member

> > >

> > > whover u may be mostly a FAKE ID of some old member troubling groups.

> > >

> > > NOW Maharashi Parashara has given many dasas and has clearly said in KALI

YUGA it is only UDU-or Vimshottari alone that works,

> > >

> > > BPHS was written much earlier to Kali Yuga so pl bear in mind the change

> > >

> > > by trying to bombastically use words , more of jargon than real

significance issues cant be created or image built

> > >

> > > if SCHOLARS LIKE Dr B V RAMAN ji used parasari's vimshottari, and othes

like KPS MENAON, PS SHASTRY, H R SHESHADRI IYER, VAK IYER, M R BHATT, V

Subramanya shastry, B Suryanarayana rao, gayathri devi vasudev, Bhasin many more

succesfully it is proof that it works well

> > >

> > > if people failed there r many rasons apart from the tools., skills of the

astrologer

> > >

> > > like the Karma balance sheet and its outlays for this life.

> > >

> > > I have said a good prediction has a equilateral triange a serious

question, a good astrologer and the almighty above who forms the other part if

he links the line only can the worst of best of astrologers deliver else one may

never meet the best in time and get the best advice even from a starter in the

subject

> > >

> > > u can see many missing appointments with the best or not using the

guidlines given in time or the astrologer remember what he ought to have said

than what he said after the person has left and is out of calling area.

> > >

> > > so dont put all just to techncalities alone our karma will dictate the end

result by propar balanced karma we can reap the max in this life and better the

karma balance sheet for the next life

> > >

> > > best wishes

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > " astro_explorer@ ymail.com " <astro_explorer@ ymail.com>

> > >

> > > Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:53:12 PM

> > > Why Most Astrologers Are Not Accurate and What We Can Do

About It

> > >

> > > Namaskar,

> > >

> > > Parasara states in his Magnum Opus, " Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra " , that

prediction is difficult even for a sage. What to say of ordinary mortals like us

then? I would venture to say that the great majority of astrologers, even the so

called " legends " in this business, have not thoroughly perused his great tome-

and quite frankly, do not have the intellect or perseverance to understand it

much less apply it's vast techniques.

> > >

> > > If I may ask a few questions to my esteemed readers, both astrologers and

clients : Did your astrologer even mention Gulika or Yama Ghantaka to you, did

you think he at least made use of them? Do you even know what they are? Did your

astrologer use Kalachakra Dasha " KCD " (A highly refined timing system)? Did you

know that Parasara speaks most highly of KCD and not the over-used and

over-fitted Vimshottari Dasha? Does your astrologer know to rectify your birth

time with the supremely time-sensitive KCD? Did he even bother to rectify your

time of birth at all? A proper birth-time is CRITICAL to all predictions! Did

your astrologer use any conditional dashas?- is Sun in your first house? - then

surely he must have used Shashti Hayani dasha- or maybe not. Did he use transits

and the Sudarshana Chakra to really fine tune his timing for you? I willing to

bet the most will answer the above questions in the negative- and now you have a

teeny-tiny glimpse of why

> > > you didn't get the results you were seeking.

> > >

> > > If you have a moment please read the following message if you are

interested in Vedic Astrology but want to either learn or contribute to how it

can give all you far more consistent and concrete answers. This is NOT a sales

pitch of any type.

> > >

> > > It is my genuine supposition that the overwhelming majority of astrologers

fail in their analysis and that this failure is attributable to two primary

reasons. Of course, we must define failure first. Failure can be defined as the

inability to consistently and accurately assess a given querent's strengths,

weaknesses and personality. Failure also includes the persistent inability to

accurately time the querent's major life events- too many astrologers indulge in

giving beautiful explanations of past events but are utterly incapable of

looking into the future. Conversely, one may ask, what is success? I define

success, in the astrological realm, as an accuracy rate (dealing with major

issues) some where in the 65% to 75% vicinity. Anybody claiming substantially

higher, especially on a long-term basis, is a liar or a sage.

> > >

> > > The first reason is largely but not completely out of the astrologer's

control. The second far more important reason is largely under the astrologer's

control but is greatly limited by his skill, intelligence and diligence.

Astrology, at it's core, deals with probabilities- some events can be forecasted

with greater accuracy than others and some simply cannot be seen at all-querents

need to be made aware of this. As we all know, a single natal chart is embedded

with a mind-boggling array of details, astrologers must be able to parse out the

major relevant issues and holistically synthesize them; though like most things

worth doing, easier said than done. I don't know if astrology is a science, it

seems more like an art. I don't know if astrology is perfect as many loudly

proclaim, perfection seems impossible in this world. Nevertheless, as many here

would agree, astrology can be quite useful. I would now like to ask you all a

very serious question.

> > >

> > > How many of you have had sub-par reading from your astrologer? I would

venture to say that many of you have had less than satisfying experiences.

Almost all astrologers over-promise, over-charge and under-perform. Let me

bluntly ask, can anybody off the street become a surgeon? The barriers of entry

into medicine are quite high but the barriers of entry into astrology are simply

non-existent. Too many astrologers, even well known ones, provide shabby

analysis in order to make a quick 200 dollars an hour or whatever outlandish fee

they charge for such mediocrity.

> > >

> > > Just so readers know my vantage point. I have been to many astrologers in

search of the best, too many to count in fact. I have been to the legends, to

complete unknowns, as well as everything in the middle. I can safely say that

out of the many I encountered, including a few with a presence on internet

boards, I was only impressed with three to four at most! In order to counter the

widespread ignorance of proper astrological techniques in this Kali Yuga we have

formed a small but dedicated astrology research and application group.

> > >

> > > Please click on the following link and apply for free membership in our

newly formed group:

> > >

> > > http://health. groups.. com revati_energetic s_true_vedic_

astrology/

> > >

> > > Our group deals with unearthing, interpreting and applying the secrets

contained in the BPHS. It will also feature free lessons for beginners and

intermediates. Though this group mainly concerns advanced astrological concepts

everybody is encouraged to join. It is run by an astrologer by the name of

Revati, the finest I know of. I wrote this message for him because I really

believe in his work. I have nothing to gain from it. Ask questions to your

heart's content, nobody is asking for anything in return. We all can learn

something.

> > >

> > >

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Krishnan Dada,

 

I have always maintained that Astrology is a craft and not a science! Craftsmen

would always vary more widely in their performance than scientists would,

although some may question that as well, based on personal impressions and so

on. Case in point is this current statement that we are hearing from this

nameless 'member'! 5 out of the best 50 chosen only could perform reliably or

consistently and presumably for the 'member' who was the test case in all of

these explorations and examinations! And from that meagre and biased selection,

the extrapolation has been made about astrologers generally! I think that is

simply ridiculous!

 

Even surgeons who have had long years of training and accreditations and

practice and so on, going with the " example " given by 'member', lose patients on

the table or soon thereafter. Some patients are perhaps just intended to die and

then they go to be healed by the Great Doctor Upstairs!

 

Reducing this puzzle and mystery of " human experience " that astrology tries to

understand -- more than solve -- as do other divinatory crafts may sound to some

as not at par with perfection, but what better instruments do they have? I have

never been one to just go numb with the enormity of problems, and there well be

many, but rather to look for solutions, one nativity at a time!

 

The explosion of techniques that recently has flummoxed the astrological world

is nothing new. It was there in the Tropical scene as well and perhaps more with

Heliocentric, local space, mid-points, 2400+ asteroids, humanistic and what not.

It is now perhaps Jyotish' turn to go through the same.

 

What I have personally observed and experienced is very simply this. The

different approaches and techniques are not individually specific or all or none

windows into the reality, however, they do become more meaningful for verifying,

and confirming if the same 'indication' begins to show up in more than one layer

of interpretation. Please note that I do not state it as an absolute claim, as I

have not for other things I have written about for simply two reasons:

Astrological reality is more biological than physical or like engineering to

give a comparison (although even in engineering there are more ways of building

the same bridge perhaps). The other reason is more pragmatic. I have seen

different astrologers look at the same chart in different ways and come to the

same conclusion. And I do not mean just Jyotishis but astrologers of different

cloths looking at the same work of art that God sent to live amongst humans!!

That does not bother or confuse me, but simply shows the richness of this

wonderful Human Experience that we were gifted to observe and perhaps even

figure out in our different ways, even using different ayanamshas or no

ayanamsha! I realize that it is a difficult thing to wrap one's head around

particularly if someone has some other agenda in mind!

 

Sensationalism will never bring the answer, although it may attract attention in

the short haul for a few individuals!

 

RR

 

 

, bursar_99 wrote:

>

>

> Dear Friends,

> The issues raised by one of our member questioning the accuracy as well as the

jyotish procedures  are presumptive.it seems the fratenity's limitations in an

internet media have not been assed while assesing and reinforcing the outcome of

prognosis of the future events.

> All of us tend to be specific based on the data and issues required to be

addressed.All of us who ever willing to analyse events look into the consistence

and pattern based on dasas as well as hora yet together with dasa to link later

to the natal charts for confirmation.Need for past events can not be discounted

to understand  pattern of evolving things that covers for future both good and

bad events.So it is not right to whisk away the need felt by Astrologer to grope

into past and delve the matter.In the question therfore lies logic and does not

need more eloberation. 

>  

> " too many astrologers indulge in giving beautiful explanations of past events "

> 2.The issues that can be attempted and analysed

> simply cannot be seen at all-querents need to be made aware of this.

> . I don't know if astrology is perfect as many loudly proclaim, perfection

seems impossible

> If Astrology is considered as an art ,perfection too based on astrologers

interest,involvement and depth of knowledge comes up and the Astrolgers has to

take learn this art also and develop himself to mature.

> These criteria many astrologers have in them in this group and serving the

forum.Astrologers time is also essential to bring out his knowledge and express

to establish himself and get accloades.Most of the members in the field of

jyotish show keen interest and in the time available they address the issue and

provide guidance.it is therefore imperative that the time availble is used with

the ambition that the opportunity available in the group is helpful to them also

in professional life.

> So the perfection is individual prerogative and should be given the

opportunity.

> 'a small but dedicated astrology research and application group'Iam sure this

3.open ended information helps many to evince interest to further knowledge and

take advantage of the proposition.

> 4.Analysis based on sound technics of appln of various dasas and sudarshan

chakras.

> These  are often used by most of the seniot members who have been involved

with field of jyotis of more than 2 decades.The observation how ever is to

ascertain to get answer yes or no but not other p

> make jyotish as a perfect knowledge.

> --- On Sat, 7/18/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote:

>

>

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

> Re: Why Most Astrologers Are Not Accurate and What We Can Do

About It 16/7

>

> Saturday, July 18, 2009, 8:54 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> I am quite amazed and intrigued by the ready acceptance -- by this group which

claims to be scientifically and logically/rationall y oriented of this

strongly-worded claim that this thread is making as depicted in the header!

>

> It seems that astrological communities are too ready to believe that

astrologers are indeed mostly not accurate? Why such feelings of inferiority in

what we all love and have studied and practiced and so on?

>

> What is this claim, namely, " Most Astrologers Are Not Accurate... " , based on?

Who conducted the survey, when, how many astrologers were examined and what

exactly were the protocols and factors that went into this 'demographic'

examination/ survey?

>

> Sadly, I have also read counter-positions some of which were voiced by

respected experts in astrology which seemed to indicate that 82% of readings are

accurate. Again, at the risk of being at the wrong end of the stick, I asked

exactly how this conclusion was arrived at. No satisfactory answer!

>

> Then I keep hearing this claim that Lahiri ayanamsha is used by MOST

jyotishis. Most jyotishis? Most jyotishis from one or two schools? Most

jyotishis on internet? I was recently informed by someone that MOST jyotishis

(it can be safely stated that India perhaps boasts a lion's share of Jyotishis

so a few handful in North America or UK or even Europe collectively represent a

relative minority globally!) are not on internet or have computers and many of

these still follow local panchaangs only some of which may be based on this

wonderful Lahiri Ayanamsha which was blessed by The Government of India! I did

not know that Government of India had the expertise or ability to pronounce on

what works in astrology. Govt of India has as much ability to knowingly

accreditate astrology and astrologers as the converse group (Carl Sagan and the

182 Nobel Laureates who signed a petition against astrology!) had to decry and

pronounce against astrology!

>

> Anecdotal accounts and impressions as well as Old wives' tales as the

expression goes are not entire untrue and may have a kernal of truth in them,

but they should be the beginning of a research project and not the final

conclusion!

>

> And a petition that is 'unsigned' loses its value for most of us who are not

superstitious but can think and see an advertisement, self-promotional gimmick

for what it is!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> --, " sankaranarayanan k.s "

<shankypriyan@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friend, I have another view.

> >  

> > Please note that we are also do not have the correct birth time. May be in

the last 10 years the doctors do record correct time (+ or - 2 min) Before that

the time difference was much higher. If you scan some 100 mails, the birth time

will be like 12.10, 12.15,12.20 etc. and not 12.07, 12.12 etc. Becsue the nurse

first take care of mother and baby and come out after 30 minutes. What ever time

she tells is the time.

> >  

> > Olden days the child birth was at home and the jadakarma was done within 30

days. Since jadakarma was practised, people immediately note dthe time also.

> >  

> > Now we write horescope after 20 years. Parent also do not remeber and say 12

or 12.30 where the actual was 12.10.

> >  

> > This is also a major reason. Now most doctors give the right time and please

do the jadakarma along with namakarma. 75% of the case the problem is with the

horescope.

> >  

> >  

> >  

> > regards

> >  

> > sankar

> >  

> >

> >

> > --- On Thu, 7/16/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..>

> > Re: Why Most Astrologers Are Not Accurate and What We Can Do

About It 16/7

> >

> > Thursday, July 16, 2009, 11:45 PM

> >

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> > Member

> >

> > whover u may be mostly a FAKE ID of some old member troubling groups.

> >

> > NOW Maharashi Parashara has given many dasas and has clearly said in KALI

YUGA it is only UDU-or Vimshottari alone that works,

> >

> > BPHS was written much earlier to Kali Yuga so pl bear in mind the change

> >

> > by trying to bombastically use words , more of jargon than real significance

issues cant be created or image built

> >

> > if SCHOLARS LIKE Dr B V RAMAN ji used parasari's vimshottari, and othes like

KPS MENAON, PS SHASTRY, H R SHESHADRI IYER, VAK IYER, M R BHATT, V Subramanya

shastry, B Suryanarayana rao, gayathri devi vasudev, Bhasin many more

succesfully it is proof that it works well

> >

> > if people failed there r many rasons apart from the tools., skills of the

astrologer

> >

> > like the Karma balance sheet and its outlays for this life.

> >

> > I have said a good prediction has a equilateral triange a serious question,

a good astrologer and the almighty above who forms the other part if he links

the line only can the worst of best of astrologers deliver else one may never

meet the best in time and get the best advice even from a starter in the subject

> >

> > u can see many missing appointments with the best or not using the guidlines

given in time or the astrologer remember what he ought to have said than what he

said after the person has left and is out of calling area.

> >

> > so dont put all just to techncalities alone our karma will dictate the end

result by propar balanced karma we can reap the max in this life and better the

karma balance sheet for the next life

> >

> > best wishes

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > " astro_explorer@ ymail.com " <astro_explorer@ ymail.com>

> >

> > Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:53:12 PM

> > Why Most Astrologers Are Not Accurate and What We Can Do About

It

> >

> > Namaskar,

> >

> > Parasara states in his Magnum Opus, " Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra " , that

prediction is difficult even for a sage. What to say of ordinary mortals like us

then? I would venture to say that the great majority of astrologers, even the so

called " legends " in this business, have not thoroughly perused his great tome-

and quite frankly, do not have the intellect or perseverance to understand it

much less apply it's vast techniques.

> >

> > If I may ask a few questions to my esteemed readers, both astrologers and

clients : Did your astrologer even mention Gulika or Yama Ghantaka to you, did

you think he at least made use of them? Do you even know what they are? Did your

astrologer use Kalachakra Dasha " KCD " (A highly refined timing system)? Did you

know that Parasara speaks most highly of KCD and not the over-used and

over-fitted Vimshottari Dasha? Does your astrologer know to rectify your birth

time with the supremely time-sensitive KCD? Did he even bother to rectify your

time of birth at all? A proper birth-time is CRITICAL to all predictions! Did

your astrologer use any conditional dashas?- is Sun in your first house? - then

surely he must have used Shashti Hayani dasha- or maybe not. Did he use transits

and the Sudarshana Chakra to really fine tune his timing for you? I willing to

bet the most will answer the above questions in the negative- and now you have a

teeny-tiny glimpse of

> why

> > you didn't get the results you were seeking.

> >

> > If you have a moment please read the following message if you are interested

in Vedic Astrology but want to either learn or contribute to how it can give all

you far more consistent and concrete answers. This is NOT a sales pitch of any

type.

> >

> > It is my genuine supposition that the overwhelming majority of astrologers

fail in their analysis and that this failure is attributable to two primary

reasons. Of course, we must define failure first. Failure can be defined as the

inability to consistently and accurately assess a given querent's strengths,

weaknesses and personality. Failure also includes the persistent inability to

accurately time the querent's major life events- too many astrologers indulge in

giving beautiful explanations of past events but are utterly incapable of

looking into the future. Conversely, one may ask, what is success? I define

success, in the astrological realm, as an accuracy rate (dealing with major

issues) some where in the 65% to 75% vicinity. Anybody claiming substantially

higher, especially on a long-term basis, is a liar or a sage.

> >

> > The first reason is largely but not completely out of the astrologer's

control. The second far more important reason is largely under the astrologer's

control but is greatly limited by his skill, intelligence and diligence.

Astrology, at it's core, deals with probabilities- some events can be forecasted

with greater accuracy than others and some simply cannot be seen at all-querents

need to be made aware of this. As we all know, a single natal chart is embedded

with a mind-boggling array of details, astrologers must be able to parse out the

major relevant issues and holistically synthesize them; though like most things

worth doing, easier said than done. I don't know if astrology is a science, it

seems more like an art. I don't know if astrology is perfect as many loudly

proclaim, perfection seems impossible in this world. Nevertheless, as many here

would agree, astrology can be quite useful. I would now like to ask you all a

very serious question.

> >

> > How many of you have had sub-par reading from your astrologer? I would

venture to say that many of you have had less than satisfying experiences.

Almost all astrologers over-promise, over-charge and under-perform. Let me

bluntly ask, can anybody off the street become a surgeon? The barriers of entry

into medicine are quite high but the barriers of entry into astrology are simply

non-existent. Too many astrologers, even well known ones, provide shabby

analysis in order to make a quick 200 dollars an hour or whatever outlandish fee

they charge for such mediocrity.

> >

> > Just so readers know my vantage point. I have been to many astrologers in

search of the best, too many to count in fact. I have been to the legends, to

complete unknowns, as well as everything in the middle. I can safely say that

out of the many I encountered, including a few with a presence on internet

boards, I was only impressed with three to four at most! In order to counter the

widespread ignorance of proper astrological techniques in this Kali Yuga we have

formed a small but dedicated astrology research and application group.

> >

> > Please click on the following link and apply for free membership in our

newly formed group:

> >

> > http://health. groups.. com revati_energetic s_true_vedic_

astrology/

> >

> > Our group deals with unearthing, interpreting and applying the secrets

contained in the BPHS. It will also feature free lessons for beginners and

intermediates. Though this group mainly concerns advanced astrological concepts

everybody is encouraged to join. It is run by an astrologer by the name of

Revati, the finest I know of. I wrote this message for him because I really

believe in his work. I have nothing to gain from it. Ask questions to your

heart's content, nobody is asking for anything in return. We all can learn

something.

> >

> >

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So does COMPLETELY avoiding tough questions....

 

Yagya anybody?

 

 

, " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan

wrote:

>

> Annonymity surely has its advantages! :-)

>

> RR

>

> , " astro_explorer@ " <astro_explorer@>

wrote:

> >

> > Interesting.

> >

> > Why do you have an article on Boloji.com that details how one should choose

a gem for remedial purposes?

> >

> > http://www.boloji.com/astro/00314.htm

> >

> >

> > Remedies require even a further leap of faith than astrology but here you

are, spelling out specifics as to how to choose a gem! Do you have any studies

or surveys in your possession that prove gems work for the purposes of making

weak benefics stronger as you say? Why not use gems for functional and inherent

malefics? What studies do you have that prove we should not use gems in this

manner? What kind of statistical protocols did you use EXACTLY? Or did you rely

on your experience and the experience of others?

> >

> > This is really a common sense issue. If I told you that a surgeon who was

going to operate on you didn't pass any of his exams and only trained for a year

or two do you think it might be prudent for you to see somebody else? Or would

you want to see a statistical study which proved that surgeons who do not pass

their exams and have trained for only a limited time should not be operating?

Most astrologers do not even have the intelligence of a everyday doctor! I can

see the results of most astrologers who post on this website and others, they

are abysmal. Many of the explanations offered for events are laughable. The

barriers of entry into astrology are also laughable.

> >

> > For your information I have queried more than 50 astrologers (as well as

obtained detailed readings from them), in person ,on the phone or via email. I

can safely say that most were dead wrong on many major issues. (Some of the

astrologers I visited are considered legends, including KN Rao and Gayatri Devi

Vasudev) Out of the 50 or so I met, I found only 3 to 4, perhaps five, that

could consistently give accurate analysis and predictions- All of these folks

possessed a very brilliant and creative intelligence. How many astrologers do

you think are on this level? Now keep in mind that the 50 or so astrologers I

received a reading from were pre-screened by me to begin with, so out of the 50

" best " I found only a few who were actually good.

> >

> >

> > If I told most people that they did not have what it takes to become a

professional athlete do you think they would be insulted? Probably not, they

know its the truth. Then why do you think people can simply learn astrology and

start giving consistent predictions? Its an immensely difficult skill to pick

up. Remember what Parasara said about sages? Only a few can practice this art

consistently and accurately. Just think about....we are attempting to predict

the FUTURE. Let that sink in.

> >

> > On an entirely separate issue I can also say that about 85% used the well

known Chitrapaksha ayanamsa. Its not a stretch to assume that a majority of

astrologers do use Chitrapaksha. Most of the great, well known astrologers that

everyone looks at for inspiration also use Chitrapaksha. A survey would be nice.

You've been complaining about this issue for a number of years, why not go out

and do one?

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > I am quite amazed and intrigued by the ready acceptance -- by this group

which claims to be scientifically and logically/rationally oriented of this

strongly-worded claim that this thread is making as depicted in the header!

> > >

> > > It seems that astrological communities are too ready to believe that

astrologers are indeed mostly not accurate? Why such feelings of inferiority in

what we all love and have studied and practiced and so on?

> > >

> > > What is this claim, namely, " Most Astrologers Are Not Accurate... " , based

on? Who conducted the survey, when, how many astrologers were examined and what

exactly were the protocols and factors that went into this 'demographic'

examination/survey?

> > >

> > > Sadly, I have also read counter-positions some of which were voiced by

respected experts in astrology which seemed to indicate that 82% of readings are

accurate. Again, at the risk of being at the wrong end of the stick, I asked

exactly how this conclusion was arrived at. No satisfactory answer!

> > >

> > > Then I keep hearing this claim that Lahiri ayanamsha is used by MOST

jyotishis. Most jyotishis? Most jyotishis from one or two schools? Most

jyotishis on internet? I was recently informed by someone that MOST jyotishis

(it can be safely stated that India perhaps boasts a lion's share of Jyotishis

so a few handful in North America or UK or even Europe collectively represent a

relative minority globally!) are not on internet or have computers and many of

these still follow local panchaangs only some of which may be based on this

wonderful Lahiri Ayanamsha which was blessed by The Government of India! I did

not know that Government of India had the expertise or ability to pronounce on

what works in astrology. Govt of India has as much ability to knowingly

accreditate astrology and astrologers as the converse group (Carl Sagan and the

182 Nobel Laureates who signed a petition against astrology!) had to decry and

pronounce against astrology!

> > >

> > > Anecdotal accounts and impressions as well as Old wives' tales as the

expression goes are not entire untrue and may have a kernal of truth in them,

but they should be the beginning of a research project and not the final

conclusion!

> > >

> > > And a petition that is 'unsigned' loses its value for most of us who are

not superstitious but can think and see an advertisement, self-promotional

gimmick for what it is!

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > >

> > > -- , " sankaranarayanan k.s "

<shankypriyan@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friend, I have another view.

> > > >  

> > > > Please note that we are also do not have the correct birth time. May be

in the last 10 years the doctors do record correct time (+ or - 2 min) Before

that the time difference was much higher. If you scan some 100 mails, the birth

time will be like 12.10, 12.15,12.20 etc. and not 12.07, 12.12 etc. Becsue the

nurse first take care of mother and baby and come out after 30 minutes. What

ever time she tells is the time.

> > > >  

> > > > Olden days the child birth was at home and the jadakarma was done within

30 days. Since jadakarma was practised, people immediately note dthe time also.

> > > >  

> > > > Now we write horescope after 20 years. Parent also do not remeber and

say 12 or 12.30 where the actual was 12.10.

> > > >  

> > > > This is also a major reason. Now most doctors give the right time and

please do the jadakarma along with namakarma. 75% of the case the problem is

with the horescope.

> > > >  

> > > >  

> > > >  

> > > > regards

> > > >  

> > > > sankar

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- On Thu, 7/16/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@>

> > > > Re: Why Most Astrologers Are Not Accurate and What We Can

Do About It 16/7

> > > >

> > > > Thursday, July 16, 2009, 11:45 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Member

> > > >

> > > > whover u may be mostly a FAKE ID of some old member troubling groups.

> > > >

> > > > NOW Maharashi Parashara has given many dasas and has clearly said in

KALI YUGA it is only UDU-or Vimshottari alone that works,

> > > >

> > > > BPHS was written much earlier to Kali Yuga so pl bear in mind the change

> > > >

> > > > by trying to bombastically use words , more of jargon than real

significance issues cant be created or image built

> > > >

> > > > if SCHOLARS LIKE Dr B V RAMAN ji used parasari's vimshottari, and othes

like KPS MENAON, PS SHASTRY, H R SHESHADRI IYER, VAK IYER, M R BHATT, V

Subramanya shastry, B Suryanarayana rao, gayathri devi vasudev, Bhasin many more

succesfully it is proof that it works well

> > > >

> > > > if people failed there r many rasons apart from the tools., skills of

the astrologer

> > > >

> > > > like the Karma balance sheet and its outlays for this life.

> > > >

> > > > I have said a good prediction has a equilateral triange a serious

question, a good astrologer and the almighty above who forms the other part if

he links the line only can the worst of best of astrologers deliver else one may

never meet the best in time and get the best advice even from a starter in the

subject

> > > >

> > > > u can see many missing appointments with the best or not using the

guidlines given in time or the astrologer remember what he ought to have said

than what he said after the person has left and is out of calling area.

> > > >

> > > > so dont put all just to techncalities alone our karma will dictate the

end result by propar balanced karma we can reap the max in this life and better

the karma balance sheet for the next life

> > > >

> > > > best wishes

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > " astro_explorer@ ymail.com " <astro_explorer@ ymail.com>

> > > >

> > > > Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:53:12 PM

> > > > Why Most Astrologers Are Not Accurate and What We Can Do

About It

> > > >

> > > > Namaskar,

> > > >

> > > > Parasara states in his Magnum Opus, " Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra " , that

prediction is difficult even for a sage. What to say of ordinary mortals like us

then? I would venture to say that the great majority of astrologers, even the so

called " legends " in this business, have not thoroughly perused his great tome-

and quite frankly, do not have the intellect or perseverance to understand it

much less apply it's vast techniques.

> > > >

> > > > If I may ask a few questions to my esteemed readers, both astrologers

and clients : Did your astrologer even mention Gulika or Yama Ghantaka to you,

did you think he at least made use of them? Do you even know what they are? Did

your astrologer use Kalachakra Dasha " KCD " (A highly refined timing system)? Did

you know that Parasara speaks most highly of KCD and not the over-used and

over-fitted Vimshottari Dasha? Does your astrologer know to rectify your birth

time with the supremely time-sensitive KCD? Did he even bother to rectify your

time of birth at all? A proper birth-time is CRITICAL to all predictions! Did

your astrologer use any conditional dashas?- is Sun in your first house? - then

surely he must have used Shashti Hayani dasha- or maybe not. Did he use transits

and the Sudarshana Chakra to really fine tune his timing for you? I willing to

bet the most will answer the above questions in the negative- and now you have a

teeny-tiny glimpse of why

> > > > you didn't get the results you were seeking.

> > > >

> > > > If you have a moment please read the following message if you are

interested in Vedic Astrology but want to either learn or contribute to how it

can give all you far more consistent and concrete answers. This is NOT a sales

pitch of any type.

> > > >

> > > > It is my genuine supposition that the overwhelming majority of

astrologers fail in their analysis and that this failure is attributable to two

primary reasons. Of course, we must define failure first. Failure can be defined

as the inability to consistently and accurately assess a given querent's

strengths, weaknesses and personality. Failure also includes the persistent

inability to accurately time the querent's major life events- too many

astrologers indulge in giving beautiful explanations of past events but are

utterly incapable of looking into the future. Conversely, one may ask, what is

success? I define success, in the astrological realm, as an accuracy rate

(dealing with major issues) some where in the 65% to 75% vicinity. Anybody

claiming substantially higher, especially on a long-term basis, is a liar or a

sage.

> > > >

> > > > The first reason is largely but not completely out of the astrologer's

control. The second far more important reason is largely under the astrologer's

control but is greatly limited by his skill, intelligence and diligence.

Astrology, at it's core, deals with probabilities- some events can be forecasted

with greater accuracy than others and some simply cannot be seen at all-querents

need to be made aware of this. As we all know, a single natal chart is embedded

with a mind-boggling array of details, astrologers must be able to parse out the

major relevant issues and holistically synthesize them; though like most things

worth doing, easier said than done. I don't know if astrology is a science, it

seems more like an art. I don't know if astrology is perfect as many loudly

proclaim, perfection seems impossible in this world. Nevertheless, as many here

would agree, astrology can be quite useful. I would now like to ask you all a

very serious question.

> > > >

> > > > How many of you have had sub-par reading from your astrologer? I would

venture to say that many of you have had less than satisfying experiences.

Almost all astrologers over-promise, over-charge and under-perform. Let me

bluntly ask, can anybody off the street become a surgeon? The barriers of entry

into medicine are quite high but the barriers of entry into astrology are simply

non-existent. Too many astrologers, even well known ones, provide shabby

analysis in order to make a quick 200 dollars an hour or whatever outlandish fee

they charge for such mediocrity.

> > > >

> > > > Just so readers know my vantage point. I have been to many astrologers

in search of the best, too many to count in fact. I have been to the legends, to

complete unknowns, as well as everything in the middle. I can safely say that

out of the many I encountered, including a few with a presence on internet

boards, I was only impressed with three to four at most! In order to counter the

widespread ignorance of proper astrological techniques in this Kali Yuga we have

formed a small but dedicated astrology research and application group.

> > > >

> > > > Please click on the following link and apply for free membership in our

newly formed group:

> > > >

> > > > http://health. groups.. com revati_energetic s_true_vedic_

astrology/

> > > >

> > > > Our group deals with unearthing, interpreting and applying the secrets

contained in the BPHS. It will also feature free lessons for beginners and

intermediates. Though this group mainly concerns advanced astrological concepts

everybody is encouraged to join. It is run by an astrologer by the name of

Revati, the finest I know of. I wrote this message for him because I really

believe in his work. I have nothing to gain from it. Ask questions to your

heart's content, nobody is asking for anything in return. We all can learn

something.

> > > >

> > > >

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