Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Dear Astro Explorer, Explore these forums before posting such lengthy know-it-all messages. Perhaps spending some time will be worth your while. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Member > > whover u may be mostly a FAKE ID of some old member troubling groups. > > NOW Maharashi Parashara has given many dasas and has clearly said in KALI YUGA it is only UDU-or Vimshottari alone that works, > > BPHS was written much earlier to Kali Yuga so pl bear in mind the change > > by trying to bombastically use words , more of jargon than real significance issues cant be created or image built > > if SCHOLARS LIKE Dr B V RAMAN ji used parasari's vimshottari, and othes like KPS MENAON, PS SHASTRY, H R SHESHADRI IYER, VAK IYER, M R BHATT, V Subramanya shastry, B Suryanarayana rao, gayathri devi vasudev, Bhasin many more succesfully it is proof that it works well > > if people failed there r many rasons apart from the tools., skills of the astrologer > > like the Karma balance sheet and its outlays for this life. > > I have said a good prediction has a equilateral triange a serious question, a good astrologer and the almighty above who forms the other part if he links the line only can the worst of best of astrologers deliver else one may never meet the best in time and get the best advice even from a starter in the subject > > u can see many missing appointments with the best or not using the guidlines given in time or the astrologer remember what he ought to have said than what he said after the person has left and is out of calling area. > > so dont put all just to techncalities alone our karma will dictate the end result by propar balanced karma we can reap the max in this life and better the karma balance sheet for the next life > > best wishes ________________________________ > " astro_explorer " <astro_explorer > > Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:53:12 PM > Why Most Astrologers Are Not Accurate and What We Can Do About It > > > Namaskar, > > Parasara states in his Magnum Opus, " Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra " , that prediction is difficult even for a sage. What to say of ordinary mortals like us then? I would venture to say that the great majority of astrologers, even the so called " legends " in this business, have not thoroughly perused his great tome- and quite frankly, do not have the intellect or perseverance to understand it much less apply it's vast techniques. > > If I may ask a few questions to my esteemed readers, both astrologers and clients : Did your astrologer even mention Gulika or Yama Ghantaka to you, did you think he at least made use of them? Do you even know what they are? Did your astrologer use Kalachakra Dasha " KCD " (A highly refined timing system)? Did you know that Parasara speaks most highly of KCD and not the over-used and over-fitted Vimshottari Dasha? Does your astrologer know to rectify your birth time with the supremely time-sensitive KCD? Did he even bother to rectify your time of birth at all? A proper birth-time is CRITICAL to all predictions! Did your astrologer use any conditional dashas?- is Sun in your first house? - then surely he must have used Shashti Hayani dasha- or maybe not. Did he use transits and the Sudarshana Chakra to really fine tune his timing for you? I willing to bet the most will answer the above questions in the negative- and now you have a teeny-tiny glimpse of why > you didn't get the results you were seeking. > > If you have a moment please read the following message if you are interested in Vedic Astrology but want to either learn or contribute to how it can give all you far more consistent and concrete answers. This is NOT a sales pitch of any type. > > It is my genuine supposition that the overwhelming majority of astrologers fail in their analysis and that this failure is attributable to two primary reasons. Of course, we must define failure first. Failure can be defined as the inability to consistently and accurately assess a given querent's strengths, weaknesses and personality. Failure also includes the persistent inability to accurately time the querent's major life events- too many astrologers indulge in giving beautiful explanations of past events but are utterly incapable of looking into the future. Conversely, one may ask, what is success? I define success, in the astrological realm, as an accuracy rate (dealing with major issues) some where in the 65% to 75% vicinity. Anybody claiming substantially higher, especially on a long-term basis, is a liar or a sage. > > The first reason is largely but not completely out of the astrologer's control. The second far more important reason is largely under the astrologer's control but is greatly limited by his skill, intelligence and diligence. Astrology, at it's core, deals with probabilities- some events can be forecasted with greater accuracy than others and some simply cannot be seen at all-querents need to be made aware of this. As we all know, a single natal chart is embedded with a mind-boggling array of details, astrologers must be able to parse out the major relevant issues and holistically synthesize them; though like most things worth doing, easier said than done. I don't know if astrology is a science, it seems more like an art. I don't know if astrology is perfect as many loudly proclaim, perfection seems impossible in this world. Nevertheless, as many here would agree, astrology can be quite useful. I would now like to ask you all a very serious question. > > How many of you have had sub-par reading from your astrologer? I would venture to say that many of you have had less than satisfying experiences. Almost all astrologers over-promise, over-charge and under-perform. Let me bluntly ask, can anybody off the street become a surgeon? The barriers of entry into medicine are quite high but the barriers of entry into astrology are simply non-existent. Too many astrologers, even well known ones, provide shabby analysis in order to make a quick 200 dollars an hour or whatever outlandish fee they charge for such mediocrity. > > Just so readers know my vantage point. I have been to many astrologers in search of the best, too many to count in fact. I have been to the legends, to complete unknowns, as well as everything in the middle. I can safely say that out of the many I encountered, including a few with a presence on internet boards, I was only impressed with three to four at most! In order to counter the widespread ignorance of proper astrological techniques in this Kali Yuga we have formed a small but dedicated astrology research and application group. > > Please click on the following link and apply for free membership in our newly formed group: > > http://health. groups.. com revati_energetic s_true_vedic_ astrology/ > > Our group deals with unearthing, interpreting and applying the secrets contained in the BPHS. It will also feature free lessons for beginners and intermediates. Though this group mainly concerns advanced astrological concepts everybody is encouraged to join. It is run by an astrologer by the name of Revati, the finest I know of. I wrote this message for him because I really believe in his work. I have nothing to gain from it. Ask questions to your heart's content, nobody is asking for anything in return. We all can learn something. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 HAH! Well-said ;-) This person is also sending messages to private email addresses! Cover your 'name-plates' members! Jyotish must be a very HOLY subject, that is why so many Messiahs keep dropping by at regular intervals! And some fallen angels too ;-) RR , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Dear Astro Explorer, > > Explore these forums before posting such lengthy know-it-all messages. Perhaps spending some time will be worth your while. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > Member > > > > whover u may be mostly a FAKE ID of some old member troubling groups. > > > > NOW Maharashi Parashara has given many dasas and has clearly said in KALI YUGA it is only UDU-or Vimshottari alone that works, > > > > BPHS was written much earlier to Kali Yuga so pl bear in mind the change > > > > by trying to bombastically use words , more of jargon than real significance issues cant be created or image built > > > > if SCHOLARS LIKE Dr B V RAMAN ji used parasari's vimshottari, and othes like KPS MENAON, PS SHASTRY, H R SHESHADRI IYER, VAK IYER, M R BHATT, V Subramanya shastry, B Suryanarayana rao, gayathri devi vasudev, Bhasin many more succesfully it is proof that it works well > > > > if people failed there r many rasons apart from the tools., skills of the astrologer > > > > like the Karma balance sheet and its outlays for this life. > > > > I have said a good prediction has a equilateral triange a serious question, a good astrologer and the almighty above who forms the other part if he links the line only can the worst of best of astrologers deliver else one may never meet the best in time and get the best advice even from a starter in the subject > > > > u can see many missing appointments with the best or not using the guidlines given in time or the astrologer remember what he ought to have said than what he said after the person has left and is out of calling area. > > > > so dont put all just to techncalities alone our karma will dictate the end result by propar balanced karma we can reap the max in this life and better the karma balance sheet for the next life > > > > best wishes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > " astro_explorer@ " <astro_explorer@> > > > > Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:53:12 PM > > Why Most Astrologers Are Not Accurate and What We Can Do About It > > > > > > Namaskar, > > > > Parasara states in his Magnum Opus, " Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra " , that prediction is difficult even for a sage. What to say of ordinary mortals like us then? I would venture to say that the great majority of astrologers, even the so called " legends " in this business, have not thoroughly perused his great tome- and quite frankly, do not have the intellect or perseverance to understand it much less apply it's vast techniques. > > > > If I may ask a few questions to my esteemed readers, both astrologers and clients : Did your astrologer even mention Gulika or Yama Ghantaka to you, did you think he at least made use of them? Do you even know what they are? Did your astrologer use Kalachakra Dasha " KCD " (A highly refined timing system)? Did you know that Parasara speaks most highly of KCD and not the over-used and over-fitted Vimshottari Dasha? Does your astrologer know to rectify your birth time with the supremely time-sensitive KCD? Did he even bother to rectify your time of birth at all? A proper birth-time is CRITICAL to all predictions! Did your astrologer use any conditional dashas?- is Sun in your first house? - then surely he must have used Shashti Hayani dasha- or maybe not. Did he use transits and the Sudarshana Chakra to really fine tune his timing for you? I willing to bet the most will answer the above questions in the negative- and now you have a teeny-tiny glimpse of why > > you didn't get the results you were seeking. > > > > If you have a moment please read the following message if you are interested in Vedic Astrology but want to either learn or contribute to how it can give all you far more consistent and concrete answers. This is NOT a sales pitch of any type. > > > > It is my genuine supposition that the overwhelming majority of astrologers fail in their analysis and that this failure is attributable to two primary reasons. Of course, we must define failure first. Failure can be defined as the inability to consistently and accurately assess a given querent's strengths, weaknesses and personality. Failure also includes the persistent inability to accurately time the querent's major life events- too many astrologers indulge in giving beautiful explanations of past events but are utterly incapable of looking into the future. Conversely, one may ask, what is success? I define success, in the astrological realm, as an accuracy rate (dealing with major issues) some where in the 65% to 75% vicinity. Anybody claiming substantially higher, especially on a long-term basis, is a liar or a sage. > > > > The first reason is largely but not completely out of the astrologer's control. The second far more important reason is largely under the astrologer's control but is greatly limited by his skill, intelligence and diligence. Astrology, at it's core, deals with probabilities- some events can be forecasted with greater accuracy than others and some simply cannot be seen at all-querents need to be made aware of this. As we all know, a single natal chart is embedded with a mind-boggling array of details, astrologers must be able to parse out the major relevant issues and holistically synthesize them; though like most things worth doing, easier said than done. I don't know if astrology is a science, it seems more like an art. I don't know if astrology is perfect as many loudly proclaim, perfection seems impossible in this world. Nevertheless, as many here would agree, astrology can be quite useful. I would now like to ask you all a very serious question. > > > > How many of you have had sub-par reading from your astrologer? I would venture to say that many of you have had less than satisfying experiences. Almost all astrologers over-promise, over-charge and under-perform. Let me bluntly ask, can anybody off the street become a surgeon? The barriers of entry into medicine are quite high but the barriers of entry into astrology are simply non-existent. Too many astrologers, even well known ones, provide shabby analysis in order to make a quick 200 dollars an hour or whatever outlandish fee they charge for such mediocrity. > > > > Just so readers know my vantage point. I have been to many astrologers in search of the best, too many to count in fact. I have been to the legends, to complete unknowns, as well as everything in the middle. I can safely say that out of the many I encountered, including a few with a presence on internet boards, I was only impressed with three to four at most! In order to counter the widespread ignorance of proper astrological techniques in this Kali Yuga we have formed a small but dedicated astrology research and application group. > > > > Please click on the following link and apply for free membership in our newly formed group: > > > > http://health. groups.. com revati_energetic s_true_vedic_ astrology/ > > > > Our group deals with unearthing, interpreting and applying the secrets contained in the BPHS. It will also feature free lessons for beginners and intermediates. Though this group mainly concerns advanced astrological concepts everybody is encouraged to join. It is run by an astrologer by the name of Revati, the finest I know of. I wrote this message for him because I really believe in his work. I have nothing to gain from it. Ask questions to your heart's content, nobody is asking for anything in return. We all can learn something. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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