Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Dear Members, I am a little apprehensive in posting this comment. Mercury has been on the rise for the last two days. Even mine – a chronic low BP, which rarely touches 65 has reached 88 on checking just now – due to severe pain in both legs. So at the risk of stirring a hornets nest, I am presenting …. The word " shanaishchara " is actually " shanaiH " + " chara " meaning : " the one which moves slowely " referring to planet Saturn. This is used a single word and it does not refer to the transit of Saturn (gochara)– only the way it moves – 21/2 year to cross one sign -30 years for a full cycle. The word " Saneeshwara " refers to the deity Shani. While the former merely represents a planet in the solar system, a body in our milky way – a huge mass, the later represents the divine representation and is commonly related to the same planet. Saturn as a planet is also called " manda " , meaning slow, dull, dull-witted, lazy, blunt, weak, tardy etc. However, the deity is never referred so. In every temple poojas for navagrahas & nakshtras and also signs are done at appropriate times. It is only natural that in any temple every other deity shall be upadevathas. Hence if a deity representing navagraha is consecrated in Shiva temple, prayers and poojas should go to Shiva first. Similarly if it is Vishnu temple. There is nothing special in this procedure. Naivedya to the upadevathas will be only done after doing for the main deity. In some cases it will be same naivedhya even. There are exceptions and differences. But this is different subject altogether. Astrology related: Now coming to the real thing, Why the word " Shani " was used by the ancients?. It could have been any other. As we know Sanskrit as a language is highly complex , scientific and logical, there are number of reasons for this. To explain them all is beyond me since I will have to take a bus which winds through the criss-cross maze of Vedas, tantra, Upanishads like Brahma Bindu, Sharadatilaka etc etc. As far astrology is concerned: We know that each word in Sanskrit language is assigned a numerical munber in " katapayadi " system. Accordingly, the " sha " is assigned numeric 5 and " na " is given 0. ie: 50. However, as per the system which follows the 10's, 100's, 1000's place , this number has to be reversed which becomes 05 or 5. So Saturn is represented by a numerical 5 (do not get me wrong – I know you will be thinking of 6 or 8). Chapter 29-Verse18 of prasna Marga assigns each sign (rasi) with a number. Accordingly Makara (Capricorn) gets number 10 & Aquarius (Kumbha) gets number 5. Both signs owned by Saturn and are multiples of the number 5. Varaha mihira in chapter 8 verse 9 gives the naisargiga (natural) age of planets – " Ekam dwe…. " Accordingly Saturn's natural age is 50 – a multiple of 5 Phaladeepika assigns number 100 to Saturn – again a multiple of 5. However this number is mostly used to represent historical figures / dates rather than age of a human. There is more to this word for the curious mind to explore who has the time and means. I just provided a spark (hope it does not explode). I know only four words of Tamil " Anna " , " Amma " , " Taaye " & " Tambi " so if any one decide to throw anything back, I will be uttering only these words. Hope every one is ok and safe. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Dear Shenoy-ji, I admire your style! Hornets often come and 'nest' in places that are quiet and dying! Like dead-wood that is neglected and in a place where there is not much human or other activity. While their lives are spent in activity and often overactivity, even wasteful overactivity, they like to roost in a quiet place where they can lay their eggs and bring their next generation to fruition. So, a 'hornet's nest' to me sounds suspiciously like a breeding ground for future based on true peace! If you have actually experienced a hornet's nest you will quickly find out that it is not peaceful but all the martial activity that we associate hornets with is really a 'demonstration' to preserve peace! But within that framework of external agitation, there is internal peace and solidarity! Hornets remind me of mars! As do similar insects! So, a mighty culture and nation cannot continue complacent and assume that its wisdom, wealth and non-violent attitude will be reciprocated by the rest of the world at all times! Switzerland is perhaps the only Nation (back then and still) that maintained this non-involvement and narrowly succeeded! Hitler was almost ready to march over and consume Her! As long as one lives in worldly reality, retaining a bit of the hornet mentality (mars) may not be a bad strategy, but one must choose their battles wisely and not impulsively or haphazardly! Saturn and Jupiter help mars in providing that wisdom, and stability, internal and expressed. RR , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Dear Members, > > I am a little apprehensive in posting this comment. Mercury has been on the rise for the last two days. Even mine – a chronic low BP, which rarely touches 65 has reached 88 on checking just now – due to severe pain in both legs. > > So at the risk of stirring a hornets nest, I am presenting …. > > The word " shanaishchara " is actually " shanaiH " + " chara " meaning : " the one which moves slowely " referring to planet Saturn. This is used a single word and it does not refer to the transit of Saturn (gochara)– only the way it moves – 21/2 year to cross one sign -30 years for a full cycle. > > The word " Saneeshwara " refers to the deity Shani. > > While the former merely represents a planet in the solar system, a body in our milky way – a huge mass, the later represents the divine representation and is commonly related to the same planet. > > Saturn as a planet is also called " manda " , meaning slow, dull, dull-witted, lazy, blunt, weak, tardy etc. However, the deity is never referred so. > > In every temple poojas for navagrahas & nakshtras and also signs are done at appropriate times. It is only natural that in any temple every other deity shall be upadevathas. Hence if a deity representing navagraha is consecrated in Shiva temple, prayers and poojas should go to Shiva first. Similarly if it is Vishnu temple. There is nothing special in this procedure. Naivedya to the upadevathas will be only done after doing for the main deity. In some cases it will be same naivedhya even. There are exceptions and differences. But this is different subject altogether. > > Astrology related: > > Now coming to the real thing, Why the word " Shani " was used by the ancients?. It could have been any other. > > As we know Sanskrit as a language is highly complex , scientific and logical, there are number of reasons for this. To explain them all is beyond me since I will have to take a bus which winds through the criss-cross maze of Vedas, tantra, Upanishads like Brahma Bindu, Sharadatilaka etc etc. > > As far astrology is concerned: > > We know that each word in Sanskrit language is assigned a numerical munber in " katapayadi " system. Accordingly, the " sha " is assigned numeric 5 and " na " is given 0. ie: 50. However, as per the system which follows the 10's, 100's, 1000's place , this number has to be reversed which becomes 05 or 5. So Saturn is represented by a numerical 5 (do not get me wrong – I know you will be thinking of 6 or 8). > > Chapter 29-Verse18 of prasna Marga assigns each sign (rasi) with a number. Accordingly Makara (Capricorn) gets number 10 & Aquarius (Kumbha) gets number 5. Both signs owned by Saturn and are multiples of the number 5. > > Varaha mihira in chapter 8 verse 9 gives the naisargiga (natural) age of planets – " Ekam dwe…. " > Accordingly Saturn's natural age is 50 – a multiple of 5 > > Phaladeepika assigns number 100 to Saturn – again a multiple of 5. However this number is mostly used to represent historical figures / dates rather than age of a human. > There is more to this word for the curious mind to explore who has the time and means. I just provided a spark (hope it does not explode). > > I know only four words of Tamil " Anna " , " Amma " , " Taaye " & " Tambi " so if any one decide to throw anything back, I will be uttering only these words. > > Hope every one is ok and safe. > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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