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Dear Prashant,

 

Congradulations for crossing 10K + membership in this group. Most commendable is

your effort in effectively moderating the group postings inspite of great

personal issues.

 

May god bless you and all the members with happiness and prosperity.

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

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The effort certainly can not be singled out.with valuble advices and with

indepth study of problem raised by members,several members with their expertise

need also extend support to the moderator to control the extraneous issues and

bring in discipline.wish a great future ahead.let's resolve to remove unwanted

apprehensions.when the going is good if somebody brags we need not get diverted

from our basic motto that is to keep the image going high and high.Prashnat Ji

desrves commendations

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Fri, 7/24/09, sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag wrote:

 

 

sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag

Membership of this group 10K+

 

Friday, July 24, 2009, 10:09 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Prashant,

 

Congradulations for crossing 10K + membership in this group. Most commendable is

your effort in effectively moderating the group postings inspite of great

personal issues.

 

May god bless you and all the members with happiness and prosperity.

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Oh absolutely! I think Prashant jee and Tanvir have both been put to test and

challenge many times and both have worked wonderfully well together. The worst

thing and show of non-confidence that an owner can do is to jump in. This would

demonstrate that he does not trust the moderator or his capability. Tanvir by

staying mostly quiet has silently voice his full confidence in Prashant ji, and

has given Prashant ji an opportunity to fight these so called flame wars in

avery even keeled manner and to show all of us his true grit and through each of

these little skirmishes and skid-rows as they call these perturbations his good

sense of understanding the human nature. Trust me, moderatorship teaches a lot

of people skills! :-)

 

I am sure this would not be the last time when asteroids and comets would enter

our air space and create friction and heat! But like all such celestial bodies,

they would either burn out of keep on going and influence some other planetary

forum ;-)

 

Meanwhile, the rest of the gentry wakes up and watches the light show of

Mayavini Madam JwALATARANGA! ;-D

 

RR

 

, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> The effort certainly can not be singled out.with valuble advices and with

indepth study of problem raised by members,several members with their expertise

need also extend support to the moderator to control the extraneous issues and

bring in discipline.wish a great future ahead.let's resolve to remove unwanted

apprehensions.when the going is good if somebody brags we need not get diverted

from our basic motto that is to keep the image going high and high.Prashnat Ji

desrves commendations

> vrkrishnan

>

> --- On Fri, 7/24/09, sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag wrote:

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> sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag

> Membership of this group 10K+

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> Friday, July 24, 2009, 10:09 AM

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>  

>

>

>

> Dear Prashant,

>

> Congradulations for crossing 10K + membership in this group. Most commendable

is your effort in effectively moderating the group postings inspite of great

personal issues.

>

> May god bless you and all the members with happiness and prosperity.

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

>

>

>

>

>

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dear friends

 

whenever a group achieves certain milestones, due appreciation is given to the

owner and moderator. prashantji has done a great job in ensuring the members

not to receive worst vulgar slang language mails which were witnessed in this

group when he joined as a moderator.

 

once again i advise prashantji through this mail that he shall publicly restate

once again that he treats all members equally and has no hatred against anyone

(including bhaskarji) and at the same time respect the freedom and liberty of a

member to express his or her thoughts without fear of getting banned. what is

happening in one group shall be dealt only in that group and he shall desist in

writing in other groups on internal group skirmishes.

 

accordingly, i wish to make another attempt to bring the two grieved members

prashantji and bhaskarji who both are tall in their own ways. for this the

following will surely work, if both have a will or wish to do so.

 

1. commit to yourself that you would not write a single word negative about the

other for one year either in this (own) group or elsewhere.

 

2. forget who did what earlier. it is like one chanting shatanamavali not

realising that the other can retort by chanting sahasranamavali.

 

3. bhaskarji may contribute occassionally or time permitting in JR and

prashantji may contribute occassionally or time permitting in JG.

 

the above three are sufficient positive steps on these two stars to shine

brightly and help the cause of jyotisha and benefit the members.

 

members may be aware that prashantji was writing in almost all astrology groups

reading all queries and proved consistently that he is a contributor unparallel

in answering queries. his energy levels in answering so many queries in so many

groups consistently is extraordinary notwithstanding his physical constraints

and i give full appreciation for this service. similarly bhaksarji has shared

mostly on jyotish subject even in those groups like AIA which are dedicatedly

only for subject with no readings and commercial customer attraction. bhaskarji

contributed most mails in many groups only to share and shine the jyotisha

subject further brightly and in my best memory had no enemy in any group.

initially he was hot few years ago but over the last few years he is more

matured and seasoned.

 

last but most important is that both shall if at all wish to write something to

each other in public or private, CONVEY in a polite positive diplomatic language

and the other is intelligent enough to understand.

 

prashantji has demonstrated good tolerance in these couple of years and would

expect him to continue his good wor and create freiends and spare no effort in

converting foes to friends both in letter and spirit, in word and deed.

 

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

 

, " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan

wrote:

>

> Oh absolutely! I think Prashant jee and Tanvir have both been put to test and

challenge many times and both have worked wonderfully well together. The worst

thing and show of non-confidence that an owner can do is to jump in. This would

demonstrate that he does not trust the moderator or his capability. Tanvir by

staying mostly quiet has silently voice his full confidence in Prashant ji, and

has given Prashant ji an opportunity to fight these so called flame wars in

avery even keeled manner and to show all of us his true grit and through each of

these little skirmishes and skid-rows as they call these perturbations his good

sense of understanding the human nature. Trust me, moderatorship teaches a lot

of people skills! :-)

>

> I am sure this would not be the last time when asteroids and comets would

enter our air space and create friction and heat! But like all such celestial

bodies, they would either burn out of keep on going and influence some other

planetary forum ;-)

>

> Meanwhile, the rest of the gentry wakes up and watches the light show of

Mayavini Madam JwALATARANGA! ;-D

>

> RR

>

> , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> >

> > The effort certainly can not be singled out.with valuble advices and with

indepth study of problem raised by members,several members with their expertise

need also extend support to the moderator to control the extraneous issues and

bring in discipline.wish a great future ahead.let's resolve to remove unwanted

apprehensions.when the going is good if somebody brags we need not get diverted

from our basic motto that is to keep the image going high and high.Prashnat Ji

desrves commendations

> > vrkrishnan

> >

> > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@>

> > Membership of this group 10K+

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> > Friday, July 24, 2009, 10:09 AM

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> >

> > Dear Prashant,

> >

> > Congradulations for crossing 10K + membership in this group. Most

commendable is your effort in effectively moderating the group postings inspite

of great personal issues.

> >

> > May god bless you and all the members with happiness and prosperity.

> > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

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> >

> >

> >

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Dear Arjun ji,

 

Thank you Sir for your supportive message!

 

Speaking for myself personally, I would hope that we all realize that Jyotishis

in the bigger worldly scheme of things are treated as a group, a class, a

cohort! And in that sense we are a minority, regardless of our 10K or 12K strong

groups with many redundancies!

 

Instead of us sharing in silos, and those do have a place too and purpose -- it

would be wonderful to hear the voices of all experts right here, where most of

them began if I recall correctly!

 

For me, Jyotish_Group is kind of the alma mater for it evolved from the original

Jyotish List started by Ben Collins and where I met the great KNRao and Sri Rath

and many others directly -- and hence even if Jyotish Group is a very different

institution now, I visit it often!

 

Why can not the members of feel the same way and visit and

contribute here? It is never about the building or the teachers or individuals!

It is always about memories of those times where you were in the classroom wher

you belonged once and learned from!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

 

 

 

, " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004

wrote:

>

> dear friends

>

> whenever a group achieves certain milestones, due appreciation is given to the

owner and moderator. prashantji has done a great job in ensuring the members

not to receive worst vulgar slang language mails which were witnessed in this

group when he joined as a moderator.

>

> once again i advise prashantji through this mail that he shall publicly

restate once again that he treats all members equally and has no hatred against

anyone (including bhaskarji) and at the same time respect the freedom and

liberty of a member to express his or her thoughts without fear of getting

banned. what is happening in one group shall be dealt only in that group and he

shall desist in writing in other groups on internal group skirmishes.

>

> accordingly, i wish to make another attempt to bring the two grieved members

prashantji and bhaskarji who both are tall in their own ways. for this the

following will surely work, if both have a will or wish to do so.

>

> 1. commit to yourself that you would not write a single word negative about

the other for one year either in this (own) group or elsewhere.

>

> 2. forget who did what earlier. it is like one chanting shatanamavali not

realising that the other can retort by chanting sahasranamavali.

>

> 3. bhaskarji may contribute occassionally or time permitting in JR and

prashantji may contribute occassionally or time permitting in JG.

>

> the above three are sufficient positive steps on these two stars to shine

brightly and help the cause of jyotisha and benefit the members.

>

> members may be aware that prashantji was writing in almost all astrology

groups reading all queries and proved consistently that he is a contributor

unparallel in answering queries. his energy levels in answering so many queries

in so many groups consistently is extraordinary notwithstanding his physical

constraints and i give full appreciation for this service. similarly bhaksarji

has shared mostly on jyotish subject even in those groups like AIA which are

dedicatedly only for subject with no readings and commercial customer

attraction. bhaskarji contributed most mails in many groups only to share and

shine the jyotisha subject further brightly and in my best memory had no enemy

in any group. initially he was hot few years ago but over the last few years he

is more matured and seasoned.

>

> last but most important is that both shall if at all wish to write something

to each other in public or private, CONVEY in a polite positive diplomatic

language and the other is intelligent enough to understand.

>

> prashantji has demonstrated good tolerance in these couple of years and would

expect him to continue his good wor and create freiends and spare no effort in

converting foes to friends both in letter and spirit, in word and deed.

>

> with best wishes and blessings

> pandit arjun

>

> , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@>

wrote:

> >

> > Oh absolutely! I think Prashant jee and Tanvir have both been put to test

and challenge many times and both have worked wonderfully well together. The

worst thing and show of non-confidence that an owner can do is to jump in. This

would demonstrate that he does not trust the moderator or his capability. Tanvir

by staying mostly quiet has silently voice his full confidence in Prashant ji,

and has given Prashant ji an opportunity to fight these so called flame wars in

avery even keeled manner and to show all of us his true grit and through each of

these little skirmishes and skid-rows as they call these perturbations his good

sense of understanding the human nature. Trust me, moderatorship teaches a lot

of people skills! :-)

> >

> > I am sure this would not be the last time when asteroids and comets would

enter our air space and create friction and heat! But like all such celestial

bodies, they would either burn out of keep on going and influence some other

planetary forum ;-)

> >

> > Meanwhile, the rest of the gentry wakes up and watches the light show of

Mayavini Madam JwALATARANGA! ;-D

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , vattem krishnan <bursar_99@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > The effort certainly can not be singled out.with valuble advices and with

indepth study of problem raised by members,several members with their expertise

need also extend support to the moderator to control the extraneous issues and

bring in discipline.wish a great future ahead.let's resolve to remove unwanted

apprehensions.when the going is good if somebody brags we need not get diverted

from our basic motto that is to keep the image going high and high.Prashnat Ji

desrves commendations

> > > vrkrishnan

> > >

> > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@>

> > > Membership of this group 10K+

> > >

> > > Friday, July 24, 2009, 10:09 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Prashant,

> > >

> > > Congradulations for crossing 10K + membership in this group. Most

commendable is your effort in effectively moderating the group postings inspite

of great personal issues.

> > >

> > > May god bless you and all the members with happiness and prosperity.

> > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Dear Shri Punditji and Shri RR ji, Namaste. I appreciate you mail

which speaks of binding together, rather than moving away. I am ready

for same, and in fact not only for one year- But am ready to stay silent

in matter of Prashant ji, even for Life time as regards to negative

talking is concerned, but is he ready for this ? He does not wish to

forget the past and brings it in the present in every mail. Whereas I

always believe in starting anew after forgiving and forgetting on both

sides. My offer of coming to his city (Hyderabad or Madras wherever) is

still standing on, and am ready to come and have Rice Lunch with him

lovingly if he allows me to (Without him mixing some poison in my rice -

Ha Ha ). As regards to writing in this Group, he must have no problem

from my side if under the gaze of you seniors and good men, the

activities are conducted, there must be no problem at all. But he allows

my mails only selectively and then writes a thesis on same in reply,

extolling his good qualities while showing me in bad light. This must

stop. He must otherwise also not have any problem since this Group is

owned by Tanvirji and Tanvirji has allowed all astrologers to work here,

so I should not be missing from here unless he himself asks me to leave.

And anyways I have stopped reading for free, and do so only selectively.

So where do I enter the competetion or in the race? As regards to him

writing on my Group, I am not big hearted like Tanvirji and a middle

class man who has created a Group to function both as a shop as well as

ashram. Yet if you are aware and appreciate, I am the person who writes

replies on my own Group the most less number of times, and allow others

to write the same. I see no reason why Prashant ji cannot do so, and I

offer my words that he will not be attacked or pushed in a corner in My

Group. I am not made of that type of stuff. And do not like to corner

anyone without allowing him to first strengthen himself and come on par

with me. In any case I would be the most happiest person if I can

contribute to the lot of " astrological science " and " astrologers " , and

if they can take some advantage of the forum created by me, it would be

no less than a blessing for me. He is most welcome to joing

Jyotish_Ganga as a writer and I would be genuinely glad to have him

there. I do not have any personal enmity with Prashant ji. He too is

a son of some loving parents just as me and you are. Please let me

know. I am ready to close this chapter for once and for all. The ball is

in Prashantjis court, but please request him now not to write a big

thesis in reply. Is he willing to forgiveand forget and let Go ? Yes or

No. If yes, then let him send a first mail on Jyotish Ganga and express

his happiness at being there. So will I do it here. best wishes and

regards. Bhaskar. N.B. This mail has been sent to the Group, and waits

for approval by the respected Moderator of JR.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " panditarjun2004 "

<panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> dear friends

>

> whenever a group achieves certain milestones, due appreciation is

given to the owner and moderator. prashantji has done a great job in

ensuring the members not to receive worst vulgar slang language mails

which were witnessed in this group when he joined as a moderator.

>

> once again i advise prashantji through this mail that he shall

publicly restate once again that he treats all members equally and has

no hatred against anyone (including bhaskarji) and at the same time

respect the freedom and liberty of a member to express his or her

thoughts without fear of getting banned. what is happening in one group

shall be dealt only in that group and he shall desist in writing in

other groups on internal group skirmishes.

>

> accordingly, i wish to make another attempt to bring the two grieved

members prashantji and bhaskarji who both are tall in their own ways.

for this the following will surely work, if both have a will or wish to

do so.

>

> 1. commit to yourself that you would not write a single word negative

about the other for one year either in this (own) group or elsewhere.

>

> 2. forget who did what earlier. it is like one chanting shatanamavali

not realising that the other can retort by chanting sahasranamavali.

>

> 3. bhaskarji may contribute occassionally or time permitting in JR and

prashantji may contribute occassionally or time permitting in JG.

>

> the above three are sufficient positive steps on these two stars to

shine brightly and help the cause of jyotisha and benefit the members.

>

> members may be aware that prashantji was writing in almost all

astrology groups reading all queries and proved consistently that he is

a contributor unparallel in answering queries. his energy levels in

answering so many queries in so many groups consistently is

extraordinary notwithstanding his physical constraints and i give full

appreciation for this service. similarly bhaksarji has shared mostly on

jyotish subject even in those groups like AIA which are dedicatedly only

for subject with no readings and commercial customer attraction.

bhaskarji contributed most mails in many groups only to share and shine

the jyotisha subject further brightly and in my best memory had no enemy

in any group. initially he was hot few years ago but over the last few

years he is more matured and seasoned.

>

> last but most important is that both shall if at all wish to write

something to each other in public or private, CONVEY in a polite

positive diplomatic language and the other is intelligent enough to

understand.

>

> prashantji has demonstrated good tolerance in these couple of years

and would expect him to continue his good wor and create freiends and

spare no effort in converting foes to friends both in letter and spirit,

in word and deed.

>

> with best wishes and blessings

> pandit arjun

>

> , " Rohiniranjan " rohini_ranjan@

wrote:

> >

> > Oh absolutely! I think Prashant jee and Tanvir have both been put to

test and challenge many times and both have worked wonderfully well

together. The worst thing and show of non-confidence that an owner can

do is to jump in. This would demonstrate that he does not trust the

moderator or his capability. Tanvir by staying mostly quiet has silently

voice his full confidence in Prashant ji, and has given Prashant ji an

opportunity to fight these so called flame wars in avery even keeled

manner and to show all of us his true grit and through each of these

little skirmishes and skid-rows as they call these perturbations his

good sense of understanding the human nature. Trust me, moderatorship

teaches a lot of people skills! :-)

> >

> > I am sure this would not be the last time when asteroids and comets

would enter our air space and create friction and heat! But like all

such celestial bodies, they would either burn out of keep on going and

influence some other planetary forum ;-)

> >

> > Meanwhile, the rest of the gentry wakes up and watches the light

show of Mayavini Madam JwALATARANGA! ;-D

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , vattem krishnan

<bursar_99@> wrote:

> > >

> > > The effort certainly can not be singled out.with valuble advices

and with indepth study of problem raised by members,several members with

their expertise need also extend support to the moderator to control the

extraneous issues and bring in discipline.wish a great future

ahead.let's resolve to remove unwanted apprehensions.when the going is

good if somebody brags we need not get diverted from our basic motto

that is to keep the image going high and high.Prashnat Ji desrves

commendations

> > > vrkrishnan

> > >

> > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@>

> > > Membership of this group 10K+

> > >

> > > Friday, July 24, 2009, 10:09 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Prashant,

> > >

> > > Congradulations for crossing 10K + membership in this group. Most

commendable is your effort in effectively moderating the group postings

inspite of great personal issues.

> > >

> > > May god bless you and all the members with happiness and

prosperity.

> > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Dear Shri RR ji,

 

Your mail echoes my feelings too.

 

This Group has been an alma mater to me too. My First Group where I

sharpened my skills and gained confidence in my own astrological

abilities. How can I forget this. It is my childhood school and close to

my heart, for which I have always wished well. I long for those members

to come back like those olden golden days where we could discuss freely

on any topic astro or just daily affairs, jokes, small disagreements,

especially your messages full of Super English which made me feel

inferior because I had to read those twice to understand them fully, and

I always prided myself of coming from a Roman Catholic school - Don

Bosco. (All pride shattered after trying to understand your Englis. Ha

Ha. )

 

Let the Moderator of this Group bring back the warmth of that Home back

to all of us past students, I request him earnestly.

 

best wishes,

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

, " Rohiniranjan "

<rohini_ranjan wrote:

>

> Dear Arjun ji,

>

> Thank you Sir for your supportive message!

>

> Speaking for myself personally, I would hope that we all realize that

Jyotishis in the bigger worldly scheme of things are treated as a group,

a class, a cohort! And in that sense we are a minority, regardless of

our 10K or 12K strong groups with many redundancies!

>

> Instead of us sharing in silos, and those do have a place too and

purpose -- it would be wonderful to hear the voices of all experts right

here, where most of them began if I recall correctly!

>

> For me, Jyotish_Group is kind of the alma mater for it evolved from

the original Jyotish List started by Ben Collins and where I met the

great KNRao and Sri Rath and many others directly -- and hence even if

Jyotish Group is a very different institution now, I visit it often!

>

> Why can not the members of feel the same way and

visit and contribute here? It is never about the building or the

teachers or individuals! It is always about memories of those times

where you were in the classroom wher you belonged once and learned from!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

>

>

> , " panditarjun2004 "

panditarjun2004@ wrote:

> >

> > dear friends

> >

> > whenever a group achieves certain milestones, due appreciation is

given to the owner and moderator. prashantji has done a great job in

ensuring the members not to receive worst vulgar slang language mails

which were witnessed in this group when he joined as a moderator.

> >

> > once again i advise prashantji through this mail that he shall

publicly restate once again that he treats all members equally and has

no hatred against anyone (including bhaskarji) and at the same time

respect the freedom and liberty of a member to express his or her

thoughts without fear of getting banned. what is happening in one group

shall be dealt only in that group and he shall desist in writing in

other groups on internal group skirmishes.

> >

> > accordingly, i wish to make another attempt to bring the two grieved

members prashantji and bhaskarji who both are tall in their own ways.

for this the following will surely work, if both have a will or wish to

do so.

> >

> > 1. commit to yourself that you would not write a single word

negative about the other for one year either in this (own) group or

elsewhere.

> >

> > 2. forget who did what earlier. it is like one chanting

shatanamavali not realising that the other can retort by chanting

sahasranamavali.

> >

> > 3. bhaskarji may contribute occassionally or time permitting in JR

and prashantji may contribute occassionally or time permitting in JG.

> >

> > the above three are sufficient positive steps on these two stars to

shine brightly and help the cause of jyotisha and benefit the members.

> >

> > members may be aware that prashantji was writing in almost all

astrology groups reading all queries and proved consistently that he is

a contributor unparallel in answering queries. his energy levels in

answering so many queries in so many groups consistently is

extraordinary notwithstanding his physical constraints and i give full

appreciation for this service. similarly bhaksarji has shared mostly on

jyotish subject even in those groups like AIA which are dedicatedly only

for subject with no readings and commercial customer attraction.

bhaskarji contributed most mails in many groups only to share and shine

the jyotisha subject further brightly and in my best memory had no enemy

in any group. initially he was hot few years ago but over the last few

years he is more matured and seasoned.

> >

> > last but most important is that both shall if at all wish to write

something to each other in public or private, CONVEY in a polite

positive diplomatic language and the other is intelligent enough to

understand.

> >

> > prashantji has demonstrated good tolerance in these couple of years

and would expect him to continue his good wor and create freiends and

spare no effort in converting foes to friends both in letter and spirit,

in word and deed.

> >

> > with best wishes and blessings

> > pandit arjun

> >

> > , " Rohiniranjan "

<rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Oh absolutely! I think Prashant jee and Tanvir have both been put

to test and challenge many times and both have worked wonderfully well

together. The worst thing and show of non-confidence that an owner can

do is to jump in. This would demonstrate that he does not trust the

moderator or his capability. Tanvir by staying mostly quiet has silently

voice his full confidence in Prashant ji, and has given Prashant ji an

opportunity to fight these so called flame wars in avery even keeled

manner and to show all of us his true grit and through each of these

little skirmishes and skid-rows as they call these perturbations his

good sense of understanding the human nature. Trust me, moderatorship

teaches a lot of people skills! :-)

> > >

> > > I am sure this would not be the last time when asteroids and

comets would enter our air space and create friction and heat! But like

all such celestial bodies, they would either burn out of keep on going

and influence some other planetary forum ;-)

> > >

> > > Meanwhile, the rest of the gentry wakes up and watches the light

show of Mayavini Madam JwALATARANGA! ;-D

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , vattem krishnan

<bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > The effort certainly can not be singled out.with valuble advices

and with indepth study of problem raised by members,several members with

their expertise need also extend support to the moderator to control the

extraneous issues and bring in discipline.wish a great future

ahead.let's resolve to remove unwanted apprehensions.when the going is

good if somebody brags we need not get diverted from our basic motto

that is to keep the image going high and high.Prashnat Ji desrves

commendations

> > > > vrkrishnan

> > > >

> > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@>

> > > > Membership of this group 10K+

> > > >

> > > > Friday, July 24, 2009, 10:09 AM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Prashant,

> > > >

> > > > Congradulations for crossing 10K + membership in this group.

Most commendable is your effort in effectively moderating the group

postings inspite of great personal issues.

> > > >

> > > > May god bless you and all the members with happiness and

prosperity.

> > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Dear RRji, Arjun ji

 

Well both of u being senior in the groups than us, ur complementary messages r a

reflection of the environment in the group under moderation this was EVEN

BETTER DURING ASHUTOSH Ji's time who was v strict, ppl called it undemocratic,

so I tried a mixed approach.

 

I gave previleges I never got from my detractors when abused in other places I

never get a chance to reply, but when he is abused here by others I have given

him enuf info, space., time

 

I never claimed credit for either the number of members or no of posts that

come.

 

ALL I HAD SAID IN A PEACEFUL ROOM it has grown well that too with many memebrs

doing their bit i have THANKED, named them periodically. but this is twisted in

sarcaism, abuses on me

 

I never knew of the stats till these came in the abuses from time to time in

other forums.

 

 

I never knew where the nos existed till then, just ddi moderation alone, later

found that JR is founded on 20/3/03, va on 17/9/98 and when he first raised it

they were above 11k THIS ACTUAL FIGURE IS IN THE MARCH POST ARCHIVES, can be

seen but falsely giving figures only made me look ahead

 

Me and the owner of this group TANVIR JI, were singled out for doing some

illegal,

anti national things without any proof and by hook and crook i got this

role. at least 3 groups r litered with these baseless charges and

after shooting one u call for peace - PEACE OF THE GRAVE YARD].

 

if the thesis is coming it is only to unmask the falsehood, else a sheer waste

of time.If i could help not doing it.

 

more than others he knows my commitments and can spare time only where i can

spend time

 

for me if I have to even think of any further concessions let me get my

MEMBERSHP BAN in VA reversed can think of joining his group, but can participate

on v v few days in VA itself u can see in past 18-20 months my avg presence was

once in 3-4 weeks, in JV, JG even less.

 

one has to justify the time one spends even if little must be purpouseful,

Jyotishya is one that needs a dedicated, mentally free time we can't afford to

make mistakes, whever i do I have apologiesed and re-written them, in face to

face sittings we verify birth data in groups we dont get such luxury never

escaped under suspicious time, like most of us we take it in our stride/

 

I never believed in banning anyone max moderation as the subject must not suffer

due to indiviudal differences. never prevented any astrological post from a

novice to a long standing member

 

we must not be self-appointed jidges membership is mature enough to decide them

 

but strong actions I have taken inthe past week end and new ones r due to

strengthen the forum.

 

I have also applead for members to if their journey is over here we

don't nead dead numbers.

 

chota or sukhi parivar is good enough

 

Best wishes

 

Prashant

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Bhaskar <rajiventerprises

 

Monday, July 27, 2009 11:19:30 AM

Re: Membership of this group 10K+

 

 

 

 

Dear Shri Punditji and Shri RR ji, Namaste. I appreciate you mail

which speaks of binding together, rather than moving away. I am ready

for same, and in fact not only for one year- But am ready to stay silent

in matter of Prashant ji, even for Life time as regards to negative

talking is concerned, but is he ready for this ? He does not wish to

forget the past and brings it in the present in every mail. Whereas I

always believe in starting anew after forgiving and forgetting on both

sides. My offer of coming to his city (Hyderabad or Madras wherever) is

still standing on, and am ready to come and have Rice Lunch with him

lovingly if he allows me to (Without him mixing some poison in my rice -

Ha Ha ). As regards to writing in this Group, he must have no problem

from my side if under the gaze of you seniors and good men, the

activities are conducted, there must be no problem at all. But he allows

my mails only selectively and then writes a thesis on same in reply,

extolling his good qualities while showing me in bad light. This must

stop. He must otherwise also not have any problem since this Group is

owned by Tanvirji and Tanvirji has allowed all astrologers to work here,

so I should not be missing from here unless he himself asks me to leave.

And anyways I have stopped reading for free, and do so only selectively.

So where do I enter the competetion or in the race? As regards to him

writing on my Group, I am not big hearted like Tanvirji and a middle

class man who has created a Group to function both as a shop as well as

ashram. Yet if you are aware and appreciate, I am the person who writes

replies on my own Group the most less number of times, and allow others

to write the same. I see no reason why Prashant ji cannot do so, and I

offer my words that he will not be attacked or pushed in a corner in My

Group. I am not made of that type of stuff. And do not like to corner

anyone without allowing him to first strengthen himself and come on par

with me. In any case I would be the most happiest person if I can

contribute to the lot of " astrological science " and " astrologers " , and

if they can take some advantage of the forum created by me, it would be

no less than a blessing for me. He is most welcome to joing

Jyotish_Ganga as a writer and I would be genuinely glad to have him

there. I do not have any personal enmity with Prashant ji. He too is

a son of some loving parents just as me and you are. Please let me

know. I am ready to close this chapter for once and for all. The ball is

in Prashantjis court, but please request him now not to write a big

thesis in reply. Is he willing to forgiveand forget and let Go ? Yes or

No. If yes, then let him send a first mail on Jyotish Ganga and express

his happiness at being there. So will I do it here. best wishes and

regards. Bhaskar. N.B. This mail has been sent to the Group, and waits

for approval by the respected Moderator of JR.

 

, " panditarjun2004 "

<panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote:

>

> dear friends

>

> whenever a group achieves certain milestones, due appreciation is

given to the owner and moderator. prashantji has done a great job in

ensuring the members not to receive worst vulgar slang language mails

which were witnessed in this group when he joined as a moderator.

>

> once again i advise prashantji through this mail that he shall

publicly restate once again that he treats all members equally and has

no hatred against anyone (including bhaskarji) and at the same time

respect the freedom and liberty of a member to express his or her

thoughts without fear of getting banned. what is happening in one group

shall be dealt only in that group and he shall desist in writing in

other groups on internal group skirmishes.

>

> accordingly, i wish to make another attempt to bring the two grieved

members prashantji and bhaskarji who both are tall in their own ways.

for this the following will surely work, if both have a will or wish to

do so.

>

> 1. commit to yourself that you would not write a single word negative

about the other for one year either in this (own) group or elsewhere.

>

> 2. forget who did what earlier. it is like one chanting shatanamavali

not realising that the other can retort by chanting sahasranamavali.

>

> 3. bhaskarji may contribute occassionally or time permitting in JR and

prashantji may contribute occassionally or time permitting in JG.

>

> the above three are sufficient positive steps on these two stars to

shine brightly and help the cause of jyotisha and benefit the members.

>

> members may be aware that prashantji was writing in almost all

astrology groups reading all queries and proved consistently that he is

a contributor unparallel in answering queries. his energy levels in

answering so many queries in so many groups consistently is

extraordinary notwithstanding his physical constraints and i give full

appreciation for this service. similarly bhaksarji has shared mostly on

jyotish subject even in those groups like AIA which are dedicatedly only

for subject with no readings and commercial customer attraction.

bhaskarji contributed most mails in many groups only to share and shine

the jyotisha subject further brightly and in my best memory had no enemy

in any group. initially he was hot few years ago but over the last few

years he is more matured and seasoned.

>

> last but most important is that both shall if at all wish to write

something to each other in public or private, CONVEY in a polite

positive diplomatic language and the other is intelligent enough to

understand.

>

> prashantji has demonstrated good tolerance in these couple of years

and would expect him to continue his good wor and create freiends and

spare no effort in converting foes to friends both in letter and spirit,

in word and deed.

>

> with best wishes and blessings

> pandit arjun

>

> , " Rohiniranjan " rohini_ranjan@

wrote:

> >

> > Oh absolutely! I think Prashant jee and Tanvir have both been put to

test and challenge many times and both have worked wonderfully well

together. The worst thing and show of non-confidence that an owner can

do is to jump in. This would demonstrate that he does not trust the

moderator or his capability. Tanvir by staying mostly quiet has silently

voice his full confidence in Prashant ji, and has given Prashant ji an

opportunity to fight these so called flame wars in avery even keeled

manner and to show all of us his true grit and through each of these

little skirmishes and skid-rows as they call these perturbations his

good sense of understanding the human nature. Trust me, moderatorship

teaches a lot of people skills! :-)

> >

> > I am sure this would not be the last time when asteroids and comets

would enter our air space and create friction and heat! But like all

such celestial bodies, they would either burn out of keep on going and

influence some other planetary forum ;-)

> >

> > Meanwhile, the rest of the gentry wakes up and watches the light

show of Mayavini Madam JwALATARANGA! ;-D

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , vattem krishnan

<bursar_99@> wrote:

> > >

> > > The effort certainly can not be singled out.with valuble advices

and with indepth study of problem raised by members,several members with

their expertise need also extend support to the moderator to control the

extraneous issues and bring in discipline.wish a great future

ahead.let's resolve to remove unwanted apprehensions. when the going is

good if somebody brags we need not get diverted from our basic motto

that is to keep the image going high and high.Prashnat Ji desrves

commendations

> > > vrkrishnan

> > >

> > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@ >

> > > Membership of this group 10K+

> > >

> > > Friday, July 24, 2009, 10:09 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Prashant,

> > >

> > > Congradulations for crossing 10K + membership in this group. Most

commendable is your effort in effectively moderating the group postings

inspite of great personal issues.

> > >

> > > May god bless you and all the members with happiness and

prosperity.

> > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Dear Prashant ji,

 

Bhai poorani baaton ko ab khatm karo. Iska toh koi ant hi nahin hai.

TuTu MaiMai toh endlessly chal sakti hai.

 

Come out of this, when you are offered a break from all this, in

presence of " Diggaj " members.

 

regards/Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Dear RRji, Arjun ji

>

> Well both of u being senior in the groups than us, ur complementary

messages r a reflection of the environment in the group under moderation

this was EVEN BETTER DURING ASHUTOSH Ji's time who was v strict, ppl

called it undemocratic, so I tried a mixed approach.

>

> I gave previleges I never got from my detractors when abused in other

places I never get a chance to reply, but when he is abused here by

others I have given him enuf info, space., time

>

> I never claimed credit for either the number of members or no of posts

that come.

>

> ALL I HAD SAID IN A PEACEFUL ROOM it has grown well that too with many

memebrs doing their bit i have THANKED, named them periodically. but

this is twisted in sarcaism, abuses on me

>

> I never knew of the stats till these came in the abuses from time to

time in other forums.

>

>

> I never knew where the nos existed till then, just ddi moderation

alone, later found that JR is founded on 20/3/03, va on 17/9/98 and when

he first raised it they were above 11k THIS ACTUAL FIGURE IS IN THE

MARCH POST ARCHIVES, can be seen but falsely giving figures only made me

look ahead

>

> Me and the owner of this group TANVIR JI, were singled out for doing

some illegal,

> anti national things without any proof and by hook and crook i got

this

> role. at least 3 groups r litered with these baseless charges and

> after shooting one u call for peace - PEACE OF THE GRAVE YARD].

>

> if the thesis is coming it is only to unmask the falsehood, else a

sheer waste of time.If i could help not doing it.

>

> more than others he knows my commitments and can spare time only where

i can spend time

>

> for me if I have to even think of any further concessions let me get

my MEMBERSHP BAN in VA reversed can think of joining his group, but can

participate on v v few days in VA itself u can see in past 18-20 months

my avg presence was once in 3-4 weeks, in JV, JG even less.

>

> one has to justify the time one spends even if little must be

purpouseful, Jyotishya is one that needs a dedicated, mentally free time

we can't afford to make mistakes, whever i do I have apologiesed and

re-written them, in face to face sittings we verify birth data in groups

we dont get such luxury never escaped under suspicious time, like most

of us we take it in our stride/

>

> I never believed in banning anyone max moderation as the subject must

not suffer due to indiviudal differences. never prevented any

astrological post from a novice to a long standing member

>

> we must not be self-appointed jidges membership is mature enough to

decide them

>

> but strong actions I have taken inthe past week end and new ones r due

to strengthen the forum.

>

> I have also applead for members to if their journey is

over here we don't nead dead numbers.

>

> chota or sukhi parivar is good enough

>

> Best wishes

>

> Prashant

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Bhaskar rajiventerprises

>

> Monday, July 27, 2009 11:19:30 AM

> Re: Membership of this group 10K+

>

>

>

>

> Dear Shri Punditji and Shri RR ji, Namaste. I appreciate you mail

> which speaks of binding together, rather than moving away. I am ready

> for same, and in fact not only for one year- But am ready to stay

silent

> in matter of Prashant ji, even for Life time as regards to negative

> talking is concerned, but is he ready for this ? He does not wish to

> forget the past and brings it in the present in every mail. Whereas I

> always believe in starting anew after forgiving and forgetting on both

> sides. My offer of coming to his city (Hyderabad or Madras wherever)

is

> still standing on, and am ready to come and have Rice Lunch with him

> lovingly if he allows me to (Without him mixing some poison in my rice

-

> Ha Ha ). As regards to writing in this Group, he must have no problem

> from my side if under the gaze of you seniors and good men, the

> activities are conducted, there must be no problem at all. But he

allows

> my mails only selectively and then writes a thesis on same in reply,

> extolling his good qualities while showing me in bad light. This must

> stop. He must otherwise also not have any problem since this Group is

> owned by Tanvirji and Tanvirji has allowed all astrologers to work

here,

> so I should not be missing from here unless he himself asks me to

leave.

> And anyways I have stopped reading for free, and do so only

selectively.

> So where do I enter the competetion or in the race? As regards to him

> writing on my Group, I am not big hearted like Tanvirji and a middle

> class man who has created a Group to function both as a shop as well

as

> ashram. Yet if you are aware and appreciate, I am the person who

writes

> replies on my own Group the most less number of times, and allow

others

> to write the same. I see no reason why Prashant ji cannot do so, and I

> offer my words that he will not be attacked or pushed in a corner in

My

> Group. I am not made of that type of stuff. And do not like to corner

> anyone without allowing him to first strengthen himself and come on

par

> with me. In any case I would be the most happiest person if I can

> contribute to the lot of " astrological science " and " astrologers " ,

and

> if they can take some advantage of the forum created by me, it would

be

> no less than a blessing for me. He is most welcome to joing

> Jyotish_Ganga as a writer and I would be genuinely glad to have him

> there. I do not have any personal enmity with Prashant ji. He too is

> a son of some loving parents just as me and you are. Please let me

> know. I am ready to close this chapter for once and for all. The ball

is

> in Prashantjis court, but please request him now not to write a big

> thesis in reply. Is he willing to forgiveand forget and let Go ? Yes

or

> No. If yes, then let him send a first mail on Jyotish Ganga and

express

> his happiness at being there. So will I do it here. best wishes and

> regards. Bhaskar. N.B. This mail has been sent to the Group, and waits

> for approval by the respected Moderator of JR.

>

> , " panditarjun2004 "

> <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > dear friends

> >

> > whenever a group achieves certain milestones, due appreciation is

> given to the owner and moderator. prashantji has done a great job in

> ensuring the members not to receive worst vulgar slang language mails

> which were witnessed in this group when he joined as a moderator.

> >

> > once again i advise prashantji through this mail that he shall

> publicly restate once again that he treats all members equally and has

> no hatred against anyone (including bhaskarji) and at the same time

> respect the freedom and liberty of a member to express his or her

> thoughts without fear of getting banned. what is happening in one

group

> shall be dealt only in that group and he shall desist in writing in

> other groups on internal group skirmishes.

> >

> > accordingly, i wish to make another attempt to bring the two grieved

> members prashantji and bhaskarji who both are tall in their own ways.

> for this the following will surely work, if both have a will or wish

to

> do so.

> >

> > 1. commit to yourself that you would not write a single word

negative

> about the other for one year either in this (own) group or elsewhere.

> >

> > 2. forget who did what earlier. it is like one chanting

shatanamavali

> not realising that the other can retort by chanting sahasranamavali.

> >

> > 3. bhaskarji may contribute occassionally or time permitting in JR

and

> prashantji may contribute occassionally or time permitting in JG.

> >

> > the above three are sufficient positive steps on these two stars to

> shine brightly and help the cause of jyotisha and benefit the members.

> >

> > members may be aware that prashantji was writing in almost all

> astrology groups reading all queries and proved consistently that he

is

> a contributor unparallel in answering queries. his energy levels in

> answering so many queries in so many groups consistently is

> extraordinary notwithstanding his physical constraints and i give full

> appreciation for this service. similarly bhaksarji has shared mostly

on

> jyotish subject even in those groups like AIA which are dedicatedly

only

> for subject with no readings and commercial customer attraction.

> bhaskarji contributed most mails in many groups only to share and

shine

> the jyotisha subject further brightly and in my best memory had no

enemy

> in any group. initially he was hot few years ago but over the last few

> years he is more matured and seasoned.

> >

> > last but most important is that both shall if at all wish to write

> something to each other in public or private, CONVEY in a polite

> positive diplomatic language and the other is intelligent enough to

> understand.

> >

> > prashantji has demonstrated good tolerance in these couple of years

> and would expect him to continue his good wor and create freiends and

> spare no effort in converting foes to friends both in letter and

spirit,

> in word and deed.

> >

> > with best wishes and blessings

> > pandit arjun

> >

> > , " Rohiniranjan "

rohini_ranjan@

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Oh absolutely! I think Prashant jee and Tanvir have both been put

to

> test and challenge many times and both have worked wonderfully well

> together. The worst thing and show of non-confidence that an owner can

> do is to jump in. This would demonstrate that he does not trust the

> moderator or his capability. Tanvir by staying mostly quiet has

silently

> voice his full confidence in Prashant ji, and has given Prashant ji an

> opportunity to fight these so called flame wars in avery even keeled

> manner and to show all of us his true grit and through each of these

> little skirmishes and skid-rows as they call these perturbations his

> good sense of understanding the human nature. Trust me, moderatorship

> teaches a lot of people skills! :-)

> > >

> > > I am sure this would not be the last time when asteroids and

comets

> would enter our air space and create friction and heat! But like all

> such celestial bodies, they would either burn out of keep on going and

> influence some other planetary forum ;-)

> > >

> > > Meanwhile, the rest of the gentry wakes up and watches the light

> show of Mayavini Madam JwALATARANGA! ;-D

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , vattem krishnan

> <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > The effort certainly can not be singled out.with valuble advices

> and with indepth study of problem raised by members,several members

with

> their expertise need also extend support to the moderator to control

the

> extraneous issues and bring in discipline.wish a great future

> ahead.let's resolve to remove unwanted apprehensions. when the going

is

> good if somebody brags we need not get diverted from our basic motto

> that is to keep the image going high and high.Prashnat Ji desrves

> commendations

> > > > vrkrishnan

> > > >

> > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@ >

> > > > Membership of this group 10K+

> > > >

> > > > Friday, July 24, 2009, 10:09 AM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Prashant,

> > > >

> > > > Congradulations for crossing 10K + membership in this group.

Most

> commendable is your effort in effectively moderating the group

postings

> inspite of great personal issues.

> > > >

> > > > May god bless you and all the members with happiness and

> prosperity.

> > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Bhaskar-bhai,

 

One mistake that I caught in your email! {I am from St. Paul Higher Secondary --

myself!} But I bet you did not have the experience that I had, when I showed up

for the catechism class in the afternoon after school innocently just because my

best friend Subhash Daniel Singh invited me to, innocently! From such innocent

moments do we arise and awaken! From that moment of personal embarassment I

learned a lifetime of lessons about organized religion! :-)

 

It is not the moderator that can ever bring back the warmth to this or any other

forum! It is us that post that control the content of this or any other forum!

 

It is only when we bring in disharmony into our renderings that the moderators

and owner etc are forced to jump in!

 

Our victory and prowess as members and contributors shows up when we continue to

interact without giving the moderators and owners a chance to show up!

 

And we all must be able to distinguish between Moderator Prashant ji and

contributor Prashant ji!

 

Those are two different roles which we shall not confuse and nor would hopefully

Prashant ji!

 

RR

 

, " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises wrote:

>

>

> Dear Shri RR ji,

>

> Your mail echoes my feelings too.

>

> This Group has been an alma mater to me too. My First Group where I

> sharpened my skills and gained confidence in my own astrological

> abilities. How can I forget this. It is my childhood school and close to

> my heart, for which I have always wished well. I long for those members

> to come back like those olden golden days where we could discuss freely

> on any topic astro or just daily affairs, jokes, small disagreements,

> especially your messages full of Super English which made me feel

> inferior because I had to read those twice to understand them fully, and

> I always prided myself of coming from a Roman Catholic school - Don

> Bosco. (All pride shattered after trying to understand your Englis. Ha

> Ha. )

>

> Let the Moderator of this Group bring back the warmth of that Home back

> to all of us past students, I request him earnestly.

>

> best wishes,

>

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

> , " Rohiniranjan "

> <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Arjun ji,

> >

> > Thank you Sir for your supportive message!

> >

> > Speaking for myself personally, I would hope that we all realize that

> Jyotishis in the bigger worldly scheme of things are treated as a group,

> a class, a cohort! And in that sense we are a minority, regardless of

> our 10K or 12K strong groups with many redundancies!

> >

> > Instead of us sharing in silos, and those do have a place too and

> purpose -- it would be wonderful to hear the voices of all experts right

> here, where most of them began if I recall correctly!

> >

> > For me, Jyotish_Group is kind of the alma mater for it evolved from

> the original Jyotish List started by Ben Collins and where I met the

> great KNRao and Sri Rath and many others directly -- and hence even if

> Jyotish Group is a very different institution now, I visit it often!

> >

> > Why can not the members of feel the same way and

> visit and contribute here? It is never about the building or the

> teachers or individuals! It is always about memories of those times

> where you were in the classroom wher you belonged once and learned from!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " panditarjun2004 "

> panditarjun2004@ wrote:

> > >

> > > dear friends

> > >

> > > whenever a group achieves certain milestones, due appreciation is

> given to the owner and moderator. prashantji has done a great job in

> ensuring the members not to receive worst vulgar slang language mails

> which were witnessed in this group when he joined as a moderator.

> > >

> > > once again i advise prashantji through this mail that he shall

> publicly restate once again that he treats all members equally and has

> no hatred against anyone (including bhaskarji) and at the same time

> respect the freedom and liberty of a member to express his or her

> thoughts without fear of getting banned. what is happening in one group

> shall be dealt only in that group and he shall desist in writing in

> other groups on internal group skirmishes.

> > >

> > > accordingly, i wish to make another attempt to bring the two grieved

> members prashantji and bhaskarji who both are tall in their own ways.

> for this the following will surely work, if both have a will or wish to

> do so.

> > >

> > > 1. commit to yourself that you would not write a single word

> negative about the other for one year either in this (own) group or

> elsewhere.

> > >

> > > 2. forget who did what earlier. it is like one chanting

> shatanamavali not realising that the other can retort by chanting

> sahasranamavali.

> > >

> > > 3. bhaskarji may contribute occassionally or time permitting in JR

> and prashantji may contribute occassionally or time permitting in JG.

> > >

> > > the above three are sufficient positive steps on these two stars to

> shine brightly and help the cause of jyotisha and benefit the members.

> > >

> > > members may be aware that prashantji was writing in almost all

> astrology groups reading all queries and proved consistently that he is

> a contributor unparallel in answering queries. his energy levels in

> answering so many queries in so many groups consistently is

> extraordinary notwithstanding his physical constraints and i give full

> appreciation for this service. similarly bhaksarji has shared mostly on

> jyotish subject even in those groups like AIA which are dedicatedly only

> for subject with no readings and commercial customer attraction.

> bhaskarji contributed most mails in many groups only to share and shine

> the jyotisha subject further brightly and in my best memory had no enemy

> in any group. initially he was hot few years ago but over the last few

> years he is more matured and seasoned.

> > >

> > > last but most important is that both shall if at all wish to write

> something to each other in public or private, CONVEY in a polite

> positive diplomatic language and the other is intelligent enough to

> understand.

> > >

> > > prashantji has demonstrated good tolerance in these couple of years

> and would expect him to continue his good wor and create freiends and

> spare no effort in converting foes to friends both in letter and spirit,

> in word and deed.

> > >

> > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > pandit arjun

> > >

> > > , " Rohiniranjan "

> <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Oh absolutely! I think Prashant jee and Tanvir have both been put

> to test and challenge many times and both have worked wonderfully well

> together. The worst thing and show of non-confidence that an owner can

> do is to jump in. This would demonstrate that he does not trust the

> moderator or his capability. Tanvir by staying mostly quiet has silently

> voice his full confidence in Prashant ji, and has given Prashant ji an

> opportunity to fight these so called flame wars in avery even keeled

> manner and to show all of us his true grit and through each of these

> little skirmishes and skid-rows as they call these perturbations his

> good sense of understanding the human nature. Trust me, moderatorship

> teaches a lot of people skills! :-)

> > > >

> > > > I am sure this would not be the last time when asteroids and

> comets would enter our air space and create friction and heat! But like

> all such celestial bodies, they would either burn out of keep on going

> and influence some other planetary forum ;-)

> > > >

> > > > Meanwhile, the rest of the gentry wakes up and watches the light

> show of Mayavini Madam JwALATARANGA! ;-D

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , vattem krishnan

> <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > The effort certainly can not be singled out.with valuble advices

> and with indepth study of problem raised by members,several members with

> their expertise need also extend support to the moderator to control the

> extraneous issues and bring in discipline.wish a great future

> ahead.let's resolve to remove unwanted apprehensions.when the going is

> good if somebody brags we need not get diverted from our basic motto

> that is to keep the image going high and high.Prashnat Ji desrves

> commendations

> > > > > vrkrishnan

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@>

> > > > > Membership of this group 10K+

> > > > >

> > > > > Friday, July 24, 2009, 10:09 AM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Prashant,

> > > > >

> > > > > Congradulations for crossing 10K + membership in this group.

> Most commendable is your effort in effectively moderating the group

> postings inspite of great personal issues.

> > > > >

> > > > > May god bless you and all the members with happiness and

> prosperity.

> > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > >

> > > > >

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Bhaskar ji

 

u must remember one thing

 

u made repeated defamatory, personal abuses on me and Tanvir ji for the entire

period of my moderatorship in other forums and I expected a " voluntary reference

and due apologies to Tanvir ji " which did not happen even with a HINT

 

I felt it will be naturally coming to be reminded is not the way it must happen.

repated falshehood and no corrective steps one bit and peace for LIP service

will not be right

 

 

I WANT U to do the same apologies on all such forums else if u can take action

on one instance of astro explored, sbm_sharma, vkholi, won't Tanvir ji take

them, I can ignore ur insults on me why will others....! why should he...!

 

another small example

 

u said I was using a fake ID in Jyotish group after being expelled

 

well check my posts before and after and prove it anyone

 

from day one to now it is.

 

I have used my ID- gbp_kumar

and replied under astro.prashant kumar [profile name will be displayed

as astro desk] i said this was my non functioning web site e-astrodesk.com

manytimes

 

just try these two things and breathe easy

 

that is provide proof of our combined illegal, anti-national activities

also me using fake ID in JGrp.

 

u must see i got into trouble only using real ID, if i had to use fake why will

i get expelled cud do it with fake and nice in real ID

 

i've seen u slip a few times so too one of ur moderators ehile using a diff ID.

with my low vision I know it is not worth such risks above all not my way.

 

U HAD THE DIGJAG even in march asking for such reconcilation when we rached the

7th yr this period also did not see any let up in ur attack on both of us.

 

I have shown enogh magnimity more than the needed or others give. I respected

the overall democratic structure and worked with in till now I have given u that

chance. I don't see a change. just lip service

 

only way forward is

both for forgetting all and moving afresh

 

1 write all over where u said LINKED us to anti-national activities it is

FALES

or prove it no problem

or face the music

2. prove my ID in Jytoish group is changed anytime. raj invited me back in same

ID

AS FRIENDS U CAN ASK HIM, see the posts randonly v few r there so no issue

3. remove the impression that anyone who picks trouble with u I have a hand or

my fake ID so manytimes I said ur Bhasmasura nature will alone undo u surely

risking urself to anyones warth as abrahim I will never be part of a revenge

nature I know karma will catch up sooner for all of us [me included]

 

 

 

 

 

Prashant

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Bhaskar <rajiventerprises

 

Monday, July 27, 2009 12:11:46 PM

Re: Membership of this group 10K+

 

 

 

Dear Prashant ji,

 

Bhai poorani baaton ko ab khatm karo. Iska toh koi ant hi nahin hai.

TuTu MaiMai toh endlessly chal sakti hai.

 

Come out of this, when you are offered a break from all this, in

presence of " Diggaj " members.

 

regards/Bhaskar.

 

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote:

>

> Dear RRji, Arjun ji

>

> Well both of u being senior in the groups than us, ur complementary

messages r a reflection of the environment in the group under moderation

this was EVEN BETTER DURING ASHUTOSH Ji's time who was v strict, ppl

called it undemocratic, so I tried a mixed approach.

>

> I gave previleges I never got from my detractors when abused in other

places I never get a chance to reply, but when he is abused here by

others I have given him enuf info, space., time

>

> I never claimed credit for either the number of members or no of posts

that come.

>

> ALL I HAD SAID IN A PEACEFUL ROOM it has grown well that too with many

memebrs doing their bit i have THANKED, named them periodically. but

this is twisted in sarcaism, abuses on me

>

> I never knew of the stats till these came in the abuses from time to

time in other forums.

>

>

> I never knew where the nos existed till then, just ddi moderation

alone, later found that JR is founded on 20/3/03, va on 17/9/98 and when

he first raised it they were above 11k THIS ACTUAL FIGURE IS IN THE

MARCH POST ARCHIVES, can be seen but falsely giving figures only made me

look ahead

>

> Me and the owner of this group TANVIR JI, were singled out for doing

some illegal,

> anti national things without any proof and by hook and crook i got

this

> role. at least 3 groups r litered with these baseless charges and

> after shooting one u call for peace - PEACE OF THE GRAVE YARD].

>

> if the thesis is coming it is only to unmask the falsehood, else a

sheer waste of time.If i could help not doing it.

>

> more than others he knows my commitments and can spare time only where

i can spend time

>

> for me if I have to even think of any further concessions let me get

my MEMBERSHP BAN in VA reversed can think of joining his group, but can

participate on v v few days in VA itself u can see in past 18-20 months

my avg presence was once in 3-4 weeks, in JV, JG even less.

>

> one has to justify the time one spends even if little must be

purpouseful, Jyotishya is one that needs a dedicated, mentally free time

we can't afford to make mistakes, whever i do I have apologiesed and

re-written them, in face to face sittings we verify birth data in groups

we dont get such luxury never escaped under suspicious time, like most

of us we take it in our stride/

>

> I never believed in banning anyone max moderation as the subject must

not suffer due to indiviudal differences. never prevented any

astrological post from a novice to a long standing member

>

> we must not be self-appointed jidges membership is mature enough to

decide them

>

> but strong actions I have taken inthe past week end and new ones r due

to strengthen the forum.

>

> I have also applead for members to if their journey is

over here we don't nead dead numbers.

>

> chota or sukhi parivar is good enough

>

> Best wishes

>

> Prashant

>

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Bhaskar rajiventerprises@ ...

>

> Monday, July 27, 2009 11:19:30 AM

> Re: Membership of this group 10K+

>

>

>

>

> Dear Shri Punditji and Shri RR ji, Namaste. I appreciate you mail

> which speaks of binding together, rather than moving away. I am ready

> for same, and in fact not only for one year- But am ready to stay

silent

> in matter of Prashant ji, even for Life time as regards to negative

> talking is concerned, but is he ready for this ? He does not wish to

> forget the past and brings it in the present in every mail. Whereas I

> always believe in starting anew after forgiving and forgetting on both

> sides. My offer of coming to his city (Hyderabad or Madras wherever)

is

> still standing on, and am ready to come and have Rice Lunch with him

> lovingly if he allows me to (Without him mixing some poison in my rice

-

> Ha Ha ). As regards to writing in this Group, he must have no problem

> from my side if under the gaze of you seniors and good men, the

> activities are conducted, there must be no problem at all. But he

allows

> my mails only selectively and then writes a thesis on same in reply,

> extolling his good qualities while showing me in bad light. This must

> stop. He must otherwise also not have any problem since this Group is

> owned by Tanvirji and Tanvirji has allowed all astrologers to work

here,

> so I should not be missing from here unless he himself asks me to

leave.

> And anyways I have stopped reading for free, and do so only

selectively.

> So where do I enter the competetion or in the race? As regards to him

> writing on my Group, I am not big hearted like Tanvirji and a middle

> class man who has created a Group to function both as a shop as well

as

> ashram. Yet if you are aware and appreciate, I am the person who

writes

> replies on my own Group the most less number of times, and allow

others

> to write the same. I see no reason why Prashant ji cannot do so, and I

> offer my words that he will not be attacked or pushed in a corner in

My

> Group. I am not made of that type of stuff. And do not like to corner

> anyone without allowing him to first strengthen himself and come on

par

> with me. In any case I would be the most happiest person if I can

> contribute to the lot of " astrological science " and " astrologers " ,

and

> if they can take some advantage of the forum created by me, it would

be

> no less than a blessing for me. He is most welcome to joing

> Jyotish_Ganga as a writer and I would be genuinely glad to have him

> there. I do not have any personal enmity with Prashant ji. He too is

> a son of some loving parents just as me and you are. Please let me

> know. I am ready to close this chapter for once and for all. The ball

is

> in Prashantjis court, but please request him now not to write a big

> thesis in reply. Is he willing to forgiveand forget and let Go ? Yes

or

> No. If yes, then let him send a first mail on Jyotish Ganga and

express

> his happiness at being there. So will I do it here. best wishes and

> regards. Bhaskar. N.B. This mail has been sent to the Group, and waits

> for approval by the respected Moderator of JR.

>

> , " panditarjun2004 "

> <panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > dear friends

> >

> > whenever a group achieves certain milestones, due appreciation is

> given to the owner and moderator. prashantji has done a great job in

> ensuring the members not to receive worst vulgar slang language mails

> which were witnessed in this group when he joined as a moderator.

> >

> > once again i advise prashantji through this mail that he shall

> publicly restate once again that he treats all members equally and has

> no hatred against anyone (including bhaskarji) and at the same time

> respect the freedom and liberty of a member to express his or her

> thoughts without fear of getting banned. what is happening in one

group

> shall be dealt only in that group and he shall desist in writing in

> other groups on internal group skirmishes.

> >

> > accordingly, i wish to make another attempt to bring the two grieved

> members prashantji and bhaskarji who both are tall in their own ways.

> for this the following will surely work, if both have a will or wish

to

> do so.

> >

> > 1. commit to yourself that you would not write a single word

negative

> about the other for one year either in this (own) group or elsewhere.

> >

> > 2. forget who did what earlier. it is like one chanting

shatanamavali

> not realising that the other can retort by chanting sahasranamavali.

> >

> > 3. bhaskarji may contribute occassionally or time permitting in JR

and

> prashantji may contribute occassionally or time permitting in JG.

> >

> > the above three are sufficient positive steps on these two stars to

> shine brightly and help the cause of jyotisha and benefit the members.

> >

> > members may be aware that prashantji was writing in almost all

> astrology groups reading all queries and proved consistently that he

is

> a contributor unparallel in answering queries. his energy levels in

> answering so many queries in so many groups consistently is

> extraordinary notwithstanding his physical constraints and i give full

> appreciation for this service. similarly bhaksarji has shared mostly

on

> jyotish subject even in those groups like AIA which are dedicatedly

only

> for subject with no readings and commercial customer attraction.

> bhaskarji contributed most mails in many groups only to share and

shine

> the jyotisha subject further brightly and in my best memory had no

enemy

> in any group. initially he was hot few years ago but over the last few

> years he is more matured and seasoned.

> >

> > last but most important is that both shall if at all wish to write

> something to each other in public or private, CONVEY in a polite

> positive diplomatic language and the other is intelligent enough to

> understand.

> >

> > prashantji has demonstrated good tolerance in these couple of years

> and would expect him to continue his good wor and create freiends and

> spare no effort in converting foes to friends both in letter and

spirit,

> in word and deed.

> >

> > with best wishes and blessings

> > pandit arjun

> >

> > , " Rohiniranjan "

rohini_ranjan@

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Oh absolutely! I think Prashant jee and Tanvir have both been put

to

> test and challenge many times and both have worked wonderfully well

> together. The worst thing and show of non-confidence that an owner can

> do is to jump in. This would demonstrate that he does not trust the

> moderator or his capability. Tanvir by staying mostly quiet has

silently

> voice his full confidence in Prashant ji, and has given Prashant ji an

> opportunity to fight these so called flame wars in avery even keeled

> manner and to show all of us his true grit and through each of these

> little skirmishes and skid-rows as they call these perturbations his

> good sense of understanding the human nature. Trust me, moderatorship

> teaches a lot of people skills! :-)

> > >

> > > I am sure this would not be the last time when asteroids and

comets

> would enter our air space and create friction and heat! But like all

> such celestial bodies, they would either burn out of keep on going and

> influence some other planetary forum ;-)

> > >

> > > Meanwhile, the rest of the gentry wakes up and watches the light

> show of Mayavini Madam JwALATARANGA! ;-D

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , vattem krishnan

> <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > The effort certainly can not be singled out.with valuble advices

> and with indepth study of problem raised by members,several members

with

> their expertise need also extend support to the moderator to control

the

> extraneous issues and bring in discipline.wish a great future

> ahead.let's resolve to remove unwanted apprehensions. when the going

is

> good if somebody brags we need not get diverted from our basic motto

> that is to keep the image going high and high.Prashnat Ji desrves

> commendations

> > > > vrkrishnan

> > > >

> > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@ >

> > > > Membership of this group 10K+

> > > >

> > > > Friday, July 24, 2009, 10:09 AM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Prashant,

> > > >

> > > > Congradulations for crossing 10K + membership in this group.

Most

> commendable is your effort in effectively moderating the group

postings

> inspite of great personal issues.

> > > >

> > > > May god bless you and all the members with happiness and

> prosperity.

> > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > >

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Dear RRjji

 

 

I agree with ur post fully esp the last 2 lines

 

// And we all must be able to distinguish between Moderator Prashant ji and

contributor Prashant ji! //

 

I wish I had read this a few min earlier, I was in a dilemma till now, I have

postponed Tanvir jis order to BAN bhaskar ji a few times he has asked me even

y'day. today with the few messages a bit cooler felt giving him a hint he will

apologise to TANVIR ji for accusing him and me of anti-national activities he

spreads in all groups with no proof and wants to be forgiven all the time.

 

I have never banned anyone till now

vk sharma has been voilating the RULES of soliciting clientile i have warned him

nanytimes today will be the last

next time i said will ban him

 

if Bhaskr ji does the clean up in other forums surely can work from todays

mindset that is relaxed at the monring from all the DIGJAN as he said, and

restore him here, choice is his

 

he had a smooth last day for the moment here

 

he surely will know faster than i knew anytime, it is sad and with a heavy heart

I had to do this

as both the onwer and me were abused repeatedly for over 15 months now.

 

I had taken a few strong steps last week end and hinted more to come after

confering withthe Owner tanvir ji as it is not my forum we have to follow his

guidlines.

 

I hope things tourn out for the better

 

Prashant

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

 

Monday, July 27, 2009 2:16:38 PM

Re: Membership of this group 10K+

 

 

Bhaskar-bhai,

 

One mistake that I caught in your email! {I am from St. Paul Higher Secondary --

myself!} But I bet you did not have the experience that I had, when I showed up

for the catechism class in the afternoon after school innocently just because my

best friend Subhash Daniel Singh invited me to, innocently! From such innocent

moments do we arise and awaken! From that moment of personal embarassment I

learned a lifetime of lessons about organized religion! :-)

 

It is not the moderator that can ever bring back the warmth to this or any other

forum! It is us that post that control the content of this or any other forum!

 

It is only when we bring in disharmony into our renderings that the moderators

and owner etc are forced to jump in!

 

Our victory and prowess as members and contributors shows up when we continue to

interact without giving the moderators and owners a chance to show up!

 

And we all must be able to distinguish between Moderator Prashant ji and

contributor Prashant ji!

 

Those are two different roles which we shall not confuse and nor would hopefully

Prashant ji!

 

RR

 

, " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises@ ...>

wrote:

>

>

> Dear Shri RR ji,

>

> Your mail echoes my feelings too.

>

> This Group has been an alma mater to me too. My First Group where I

> sharpened my skills and gained confidence in my own astrological

> abilities. How can I forget this. It is my childhood school and close to

> my heart, for which I have always wished well. I long for those members

> to come back like those olden golden days where we could discuss freely

> on any topic astro or just daily affairs, jokes, small disagreements,

> especially your messages full of Super English which made me feel

> inferior because I had to read those twice to understand them fully, and

> I always prided myself of coming from a Roman Catholic school - Don

> Bosco. (All pride shattered after trying to understand your Englis. Ha

> Ha. )

>

> Let the Moderator of this Group bring back the warmth of that Home back

> to all of us past students, I request him earnestly.

>

> best wishes,

>

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

> , " Rohiniranjan "

> <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote:

> >

> > Dear Arjun ji,

> >

> > Thank you Sir for your supportive message!

> >

> > Speaking for myself personally, I would hope that we all realize that

> Jyotishis in the bigger worldly scheme of things are treated as a group,

> a class, a cohort! And in that sense we are a minority, regardless of

> our 10K or 12K strong groups with many redundancies!

> >

> > Instead of us sharing in silos, and those do have a place too and

> purpose -- it would be wonderful to hear the voices of all experts right

> here, where most of them began if I recall correctly!

> >

> > For me, Jyotish_Group is kind of the alma mater for it evolved from

> the original Jyotish List started by Ben Collins and where I met the

> great KNRao and Sri Rath and many others directly -- and hence even if

> Jyotish Group is a very different institution now, I visit it often!

> >

> > Why can not the members of feel the same way and

> visit and contribute here? It is never about the building or the

> teachers or individuals! It is always about memories of those times

> where you were in the classroom wher you belonged once and learned from!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " panditarjun2004 "

> panditarjun2004@ wrote:

> > >

> > > dear friends

> > >

> > > whenever a group achieves certain milestones, due appreciation is

> given to the owner and moderator. prashantji has done a great job in

> ensuring the members not to receive worst vulgar slang language mails

> which were witnessed in this group when he joined as a moderator.

> > >

> > > once again i advise prashantji through this mail that he shall

> publicly restate once again that he treats all members equally and has

> no hatred against anyone (including bhaskarji) and at the same time

> respect the freedom and liberty of a member to express his or her

> thoughts without fear of getting banned. what is happening in one group

> shall be dealt only in that group and he shall desist in writing in

> other groups on internal group skirmishes.

> > >

> > > accordingly, i wish to make another attempt to bring the two grieved

> members prashantji and bhaskarji who both are tall in their own ways.

> for this the following will surely work, if both have a will or wish to

> do so.

> > >

> > > 1. commit to yourself that you would not write a single word

> negative about the other for one year either in this (own) group or

> elsewhere.

> > >

> > > 2. forget who did what earlier. it is like one chanting

> shatanamavali not realising that the other can retort by chanting

> sahasranamavali.

> > >

> > > 3. bhaskarji may contribute occassionally or time permitting in JR

> and prashantji may contribute occassionally or time permitting in JG.

> > >

> > > the above three are sufficient positive steps on these two stars to

> shine brightly and help the cause of jyotisha and benefit the members.

> > >

> > > members may be aware that prashantji was writing in almost all

> astrology groups reading all queries and proved consistently that he is

> a contributor unparallel in answering queries. his energy levels in

> answering so many queries in so many groups consistently is

> extraordinary notwithstanding his physical constraints and i give full

> appreciation for this service. similarly bhaksarji has shared mostly on

> jyotish subject even in those groups like AIA which are dedicatedly only

> for subject with no readings and commercial customer attraction.

> bhaskarji contributed most mails in many groups only to share and shine

> the jyotisha subject further brightly and in my best memory had no enemy

> in any group. initially he was hot few years ago but over the last few

> years he is more matured and seasoned.

> > >

> > > last but most important is that both shall if at all wish to write

> something to each other in public or private, CONVEY in a polite

> positive diplomatic language and the other is intelligent enough to

> understand.

> > >

> > > prashantji has demonstrated good tolerance in these couple of years

> and would expect him to continue his good wor and create freiends and

> spare no effort in converting foes to friends both in letter and spirit,

> in word and deed.

> > >

> > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > pandit arjun

> > >

> > > , " Rohiniranjan "

> <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Oh absolutely! I think Prashant jee and Tanvir have both been put

> to test and challenge many times and both have worked wonderfully well

> together. The worst thing and show of non-confidence that an owner can

> do is to jump in. This would demonstrate that he does not trust the

> moderator or his capability. Tanvir by staying mostly quiet has silently

> voice his full confidence in Prashant ji, and has given Prashant ji an

> opportunity to fight these so called flame wars in avery even keeled

> manner and to show all of us his true grit and through each of these

> little skirmishes and skid-rows as they call these perturbations his

> good sense of understanding the human nature. Trust me, moderatorship

> teaches a lot of people skills! :-)

> > > >

> > > > I am sure this would not be the last time when asteroids and

> comets would enter our air space and create friction and heat! But like

> all such celestial bodies, they would either burn out of keep on going

> and influence some other planetary forum ;-)

> > > >

> > > > Meanwhile, the rest of the gentry wakes up and watches the light

> show of Mayavini Madam JwALATARANGA! ;-D

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , vattem krishnan

> <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > The effort certainly can not be singled out.with valuble advices

> and with indepth study of problem raised by members,several members with

> their expertise need also extend support to the moderator to control the

> extraneous issues and bring in discipline.wish a great future

> ahead.let's resolve to remove unwanted apprehensions. when the going is

> good if somebody brags we need not get diverted from our basic motto

> that is to keep the image going high and high.Prashnat Ji desrves

> commendations

> > > > > vrkrishnan

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@ >

> > > > > Membership of this group 10K+

> > > > >

> > > > > Friday, July 24, 2009, 10:09 AM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Prashant,

> > > > >

> > > > > Congradulations for crossing 10K + membership in this group.

> Most commendable is your effort in effectively moderating the group

> postings inspite of great personal issues.

> > > > >

> > > > > May god bless you and all the members with happiness and

> prosperity.

> > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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Dear Prashant ji,

 

Your message truly disturbs me!

 

Please understand that Jyotish Remedies or any other forum that I participate in

means nothing to me, has taught me hardly anything and your message brings back

bad memories!

 

Months and years ago when Tanvir decided to ban you, I was the first one to

publicly question his decision because I felt that you were abrasive but still

important for Jyotish Remedies. And others joined in and you were reinstituted

by the kind grace of Tanvir who I respect and admire a lot!

 

Today, I publicly protest again for this corporate decision for Banning Mr.

Bhaskar! Just as I publicly protested when someone posted a desire to use his

horoscope to make a personal point!

 

WE SIMPLY CANNOT allow that kind of thing and yet claim ourselves to be

DEMOCRATIC!

 

Perhaps the corporate decision to ban Bhaskar was based on messages by him that

were not approved and which were inflammatory and in that case obviously you and

Tanvir have the prerogative to ban him and really we members do not have any say

in that.

 

But if his messages have not been abusive or otherwise inflammatory or

destructive to , and how can messages from ONE person ever be

that destructive to a large forum like this, I would request that MAY cooler

heads prevail! Please?

 

Thanks

 

RR

 

 

 

 

 

, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

wrote:

>

> Dear RRjji

>

>

> I agree with ur post fully esp the last 2 lines

>

> // And we all must be able to distinguish between Moderator Prashant ji and

contributor Prashant ji! //

>

> I wish I had read this a few min earlier, I was in a dilemma till now, I have

postponed Tanvir jis order to BAN bhaskar ji a few times he has asked me even

y'day. today with the few messages a bit cooler felt giving him a hint he will

apologise to TANVIR ji for accusing him and me of anti-national activities he

spreads in all groups with no proof and wants to be forgiven all the time.

>

> I have never banned anyone till now

> vk sharma has been voilating the RULES of soliciting clientile i have warned

him nanytimes today will be the last

> next time i said will ban him

>

> if Bhaskr ji does the clean up in other forums surely can work from todays

mindset that is relaxed at the monring from all the DIGJAN as he said, and

restore him here, choice is his

>

> he had a smooth last day for the moment here

>

> he surely will know faster than i knew anytime, it is sad and with a heavy

heart I had to do this

> as both the onwer and me were abused repeatedly for over 15 months now.

>

> I had taken a few strong steps last week end and hinted more to come after

confering withthe Owner tanvir ji as it is not my forum we have to follow his

guidlines.

>

> I hope things tourn out for the better

>

> Prashant

________________________________

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

>

> Monday, July 27, 2009 2:16:38 PM

> Re: Membership of this group 10K+

>

>

> Bhaskar-bhai,

>

> One mistake that I caught in your email! {I am from St. Paul Higher Secondary

-- myself!} But I bet you did not have the experience that I had, when I showed

up for the catechism class in the afternoon after school innocently just because

my best friend Subhash Daniel Singh invited me to, innocently! From such

innocent moments do we arise and awaken! From that moment of personal

embarassment I learned a lifetime of lessons about organized religion! :-)

>

> It is not the moderator that can ever bring back the warmth to this or any

other forum! It is us that post that control the content of this or any other

forum!

>

> It is only when we bring in disharmony into our renderings that the moderators

and owner etc are forced to jump in!

>

> Our victory and prowess as members and contributors shows up when we continue

to interact without giving the moderators and owners a chance to show up!

>

> And we all must be able to distinguish between Moderator Prashant ji and

contributor Prashant ji!

>

> Those are two different roles which we shall not confuse and nor would

hopefully Prashant ji!

>

> RR

>

> , " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Shri RR ji,

> >

> > Your mail echoes my feelings too.

> >

> > This Group has been an alma mater to me too. My First Group where I

> > sharpened my skills and gained confidence in my own astrological

> > abilities. How can I forget this. It is my childhood school and close to

> > my heart, for which I have always wished well. I long for those members

> > to come back like those olden golden days where we could discuss freely

> > on any topic astro or just daily affairs, jokes, small disagreements,

> > especially your messages full of Super English which made me feel

> > inferior because I had to read those twice to understand them fully, and

> > I always prided myself of coming from a Roman Catholic school - Don

> > Bosco. (All pride shattered after trying to understand your Englis. Ha

> > Ha. )

> >

> > Let the Moderator of this Group bring back the warmth of that Home back

> > to all of us past students, I request him earnestly.

> >

> > best wishes,

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Rohiniranjan "

> > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Arjun ji,

> > >

> > > Thank you Sir for your supportive message!

> > >

> > > Speaking for myself personally, I would hope that we all realize that

> > Jyotishis in the bigger worldly scheme of things are treated as a group,

> > a class, a cohort! And in that sense we are a minority, regardless of

> > our 10K or 12K strong groups with many redundancies!

> > >

> > > Instead of us sharing in silos, and those do have a place too and

> > purpose -- it would be wonderful to hear the voices of all experts right

> > here, where most of them began if I recall correctly!

> > >

> > > For me, Jyotish_Group is kind of the alma mater for it evolved from

> > the original Jyotish List started by Ben Collins and where I met the

> > great KNRao and Sri Rath and many others directly -- and hence even if

> > Jyotish Group is a very different institution now, I visit it often!

> > >

> > > Why can not the members of feel the same way and

> > visit and contribute here? It is never about the building or the

> > teachers or individuals! It is always about memories of those times

> > where you were in the classroom wher you belonged once and learned from!

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " panditarjun2004 "

> > panditarjun2004@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > dear friends

> > > >

> > > > whenever a group achieves certain milestones, due appreciation is

> > given to the owner and moderator. prashantji has done a great job in

> > ensuring the members not to receive worst vulgar slang language mails

> > which were witnessed in this group when he joined as a moderator.

> > > >

> > > > once again i advise prashantji through this mail that he shall

> > publicly restate once again that he treats all members equally and has

> > no hatred against anyone (including bhaskarji) and at the same time

> > respect the freedom and liberty of a member to express his or her

> > thoughts without fear of getting banned. what is happening in one group

> > shall be dealt only in that group and he shall desist in writing in

> > other groups on internal group skirmishes.

> > > >

> > > > accordingly, i wish to make another attempt to bring the two grieved

> > members prashantji and bhaskarji who both are tall in their own ways.

> > for this the following will surely work, if both have a will or wish to

> > do so.

> > > >

> > > > 1. commit to yourself that you would not write a single word

> > negative about the other for one year either in this (own) group or

> > elsewhere.

> > > >

> > > > 2. forget who did what earlier. it is like one chanting

> > shatanamavali not realising that the other can retort by chanting

> > sahasranamavali.

> > > >

> > > > 3. bhaskarji may contribute occassionally or time permitting in JR

> > and prashantji may contribute occassionally or time permitting in JG.

> > > >

> > > > the above three are sufficient positive steps on these two stars to

> > shine brightly and help the cause of jyotisha and benefit the members.

> > > >

> > > > members may be aware that prashantji was writing in almost all

> > astrology groups reading all queries and proved consistently that he is

> > a contributor unparallel in answering queries. his energy levels in

> > answering so many queries in so many groups consistently is

> > extraordinary notwithstanding his physical constraints and i give full

> > appreciation for this service. similarly bhaksarji has shared mostly on

> > jyotish subject even in those groups like AIA which are dedicatedly only

> > for subject with no readings and commercial customer attraction.

> > bhaskarji contributed most mails in many groups only to share and shine

> > the jyotisha subject further brightly and in my best memory had no enemy

> > in any group. initially he was hot few years ago but over the last few

> > years he is more matured and seasoned.

> > > >

> > > > last but most important is that both shall if at all wish to write

> > something to each other in public or private, CONVEY in a polite

> > positive diplomatic language and the other is intelligent enough to

> > understand.

> > > >

> > > > prashantji has demonstrated good tolerance in these couple of years

> > and would expect him to continue his good wor and create freiends and

> > spare no effort in converting foes to friends both in letter and spirit,

> > in word and deed.

> > > >

> > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > pandit arjun

> > > >

> > > > , " Rohiniranjan "

> > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Oh absolutely! I think Prashant jee and Tanvir have both been put

> > to test and challenge many times and both have worked wonderfully well

> > together. The worst thing and show of non-confidence that an owner can

> > do is to jump in. This would demonstrate that he does not trust the

> > moderator or his capability. Tanvir by staying mostly quiet has silently

> > voice his full confidence in Prashant ji, and has given Prashant ji an

> > opportunity to fight these so called flame wars in avery even keeled

> > manner and to show all of us his true grit and through each of these

> > little skirmishes and skid-rows as they call these perturbations his

> > good sense of understanding the human nature. Trust me, moderatorship

> > teaches a lot of people skills! :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > I am sure this would not be the last time when asteroids and

> > comets would enter our air space and create friction and heat! But like

> > all such celestial bodies, they would either burn out of keep on going

> > and influence some other planetary forum ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > Meanwhile, the rest of the gentry wakes up and watches the light

> > show of Mayavini Madam JwALATARANGA! ;-D

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , vattem krishnan

> > <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The effort certainly can not be singled out.with valuble advices

> > and with indepth study of problem raised by members,several members with

> > their expertise need also extend support to the moderator to control the

> > extraneous issues and bring in discipline.wish a great future

> > ahead.let's resolve to remove unwanted apprehensions. when the going is

> > good if somebody brags we need not get diverted from our basic motto

> > that is to keep the image going high and high.Prashnat Ji desrves

> > commendations

> > > > > > vrkrishnan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@ >

> > > > > > Membership of this group 10K+

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Friday, July 24, 2009, 10:09 AM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Prashant,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Congradulations for crossing 10K + membership in this group.

> > Most commendable is your effort in effectively moderating the group

> > postings inspite of great personal issues.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > May god bless you and all the members with happiness and

> > prosperity.

> > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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> > > > > >

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Dear RRji

 

It is a v hard decession, I said manytimes I don't like to ban anyone not once

manytimes for yrs

 

and yes there is democracy in this I had checked with a few and most felt I had

to do what is required than be weak all the time u can see even 2 days ago Harry

ji said I am not instilling discipline in the group and allow all a free run

 

the ABUSES AND CHARGES OF ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES, ANTI NATIONAL ACTIVITIES BY THE

OWNER, CEO MODERATOR if JR are given regular mileage in 3 groups i had sen not

sure of more

Vedic astrology, AIA, J group, and even j ganga [this from members words not

there to know them]

 

in line with the discussions today by u, krishna ji, arjun ji I DROPPED A HINT

 

a hint o f the these charges on us prove it or apologise it he said it is PURNE

BAHT how can one ignore such

 

I WILL BE THE 1ST TO GET HIM BACK IF HE POSTS THE MESSAGES IN ALL SUCH GROUPS IT

WAS not true

 

if he has anything to show surely we will see it and decide

 

till then I have to follow the rules of the owner, founder

 

I had given enough hints, time I dont like to do this had NO OTHER CHOICE on a

few occasions he has asked me to do it

 

I am also feeling v low and bad on this

 

I hope this issue can be setteled by him if he does the needful ASAP

 

regards

 

Prashant

 

 

________________________________

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

 

Monday, July 27, 2009 3:13:34 PM

Re: Membership of this group 10K+

 

 

Dear Prashant ji,

 

Your message truly disturbs me!

 

Please understand that Jyotish Remedies or any other forum that I participate in

means nothing to me, has taught me hardly anything and your message brings back

bad memories!

 

Months and years ago when Tanvir decided to ban you, I was the first one to

publicly question his decision because I felt that you were abrasive but still

important for Jyotish Remedies. And others joined in and you were reinstituted

by the kind grace of Tanvir who I respect and admire a lot!

 

Today, I publicly protest again for this corporate decision for Banning Mr.

Bhaskar! Just as I publicly protested when someone posted a desire to use his

horoscope to make a personal point!

 

WE SIMPLY CANNOT allow that kind of thing and yet claim ourselves to be

DEMOCRATIC!

 

Perhaps the corporate decision to ban Bhaskar was based on messages by him that

were not approved and which were inflammatory and in that case obviously you and

Tanvir have the prerogative to ban him and really we members do not have any say

in that.

 

But if his messages have not been abusive or otherwise inflammatory or

destructive to , and how can messages from ONE person ever be

that destructive to a large forum like this, I would request that MAY cooler

heads prevail! Please?

 

Thanks

 

RR

 

, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Dear RRjji

>

>

> I agree with ur post fully esp the last 2 lines

>

> // And we all must be able to distinguish between Moderator Prashant ji and

contributor Prashant ji! //

>

> I wish I had read this a few min earlier, I was in a dilemma till now, I have

postponed Tanvir jis order to BAN bhaskar ji a few times he has asked me even

y'day. today with the few messages a bit cooler felt giving him a hint he will

apologise to TANVIR ji for accusing him and me of anti-national activities he

spreads in all groups with no proof and wants to be forgiven all the time.

>

> I have never banned anyone till now

> vk sharma has been voilating the RULES of soliciting clientile i have warned

him nanytimes today will be the last

> next time i said will ban him

>

> if Bhaskr ji does the clean up in other forums surely can work from todays

mindset that is relaxed at the monring from all the DIGJAN as he said, and

restore him here, choice is his

>

> he had a smooth last day for the moment here

>

> he surely will know faster than i knew anytime, it is sad and with a heavy

heart I had to do this

> as both the onwer and me were abused repeatedly for over 15 months now.

>

> I had taken a few strong steps last week end and hinted more to come after

confering withthe Owner tanvir ji as it is not my forum we have to follow his

guidlines.

>

> I hope things tourn out for the better

>

> Prashant

____________ _________ _________ __

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

>

> Monday, July 27, 2009 2:16:38 PM

> Re: Membership of this group 10K+

>

>

> Bhaskar-bhai,

>

> One mistake that I caught in your email! {I am from St. Paul Higher Secondary

-- myself!} But I bet you did not have the experience that I had, when I showed

up for the catechism class in the afternoon after school innocently just because

my best friend Subhash Daniel Singh invited me to, innocently! From such

innocent moments do we arise and awaken! From that moment of personal

embarassment I learned a lifetime of lessons about organized religion! :-)

>

> It is not the moderator that can ever bring back the warmth to this or any

other forum! It is us that post that control the content of this or any other

forum!

>

> It is only when we bring in disharmony into our renderings that the moderators

and owner etc are forced to jump in!

>

> Our victory and prowess as members and contributors shows up when we continue

to interact without giving the moderators and owners a chance to show up!

>

> And we all must be able to distinguish between Moderator Prashant ji and

contributor Prashant ji!

>

> Those are two different roles which we shall not confuse and nor would

hopefully Prashant ji!

>

> RR

>

> , " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Shri RR ji,

> >

> > Your mail echoes my feelings too.

> >

> > This Group has been an alma mater to me too. My First Group where I

> > sharpened my skills and gained confidence in my own astrological

> > abilities. How can I forget this. It is my childhood school and close to

> > my heart, for which I have always wished well. I long for those members

> > to come back like those olden golden days where we could discuss freely

> > on any topic astro or just daily affairs, jokes, small disagreements,

> > especially your messages full of Super English which made me feel

> > inferior because I had to read those twice to understand them fully, and

> > I always prided myself of coming from a Roman Catholic school - Don

> > Bosco. (All pride shattered after trying to understand your Englis. Ha

> > Ha. )

> >

> > Let the Moderator of this Group bring back the warmth of that Home back

> > to all of us past students, I request him earnestly.

> >

> > best wishes,

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Rohiniranjan "

> > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Arjun ji,

> > >

> > > Thank you Sir for your supportive message!

> > >

> > > Speaking for myself personally, I would hope that we all realize that

> > Jyotishis in the bigger worldly scheme of things are treated as a group,

> > a class, a cohort! And in that sense we are a minority, regardless of

> > our 10K or 12K strong groups with many redundancies!

> > >

> > > Instead of us sharing in silos, and those do have a place too and

> > purpose -- it would be wonderful to hear the voices of all experts right

> > here, where most of them began if I recall correctly!

> > >

> > > For me, Jyotish_Group is kind of the alma mater for it evolved from

> > the original Jyotish List started by Ben Collins and where I met the

> > great KNRao and Sri Rath and many others directly -- and hence even if

> > Jyotish Group is a very different institution now, I visit it often!

> > >

> > > Why can not the members of feel the same way and

> > visit and contribute here? It is never about the building or the

> > teachers or individuals! It is always about memories of those times

> > where you were in the classroom wher you belonged once and learned from!

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " panditarjun2004 "

> > panditarjun2004@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > dear friends

> > > >

> > > > whenever a group achieves certain milestones, due appreciation is

> > given to the owner and moderator. prashantji has done a great job in

> > ensuring the members not to receive worst vulgar slang language mails

> > which were witnessed in this group when he joined as a moderator.

> > > >

> > > > once again i advise prashantji through this mail that he shall

> > publicly restate once again that he treats all members equally and has

> > no hatred against anyone (including bhaskarji) and at the same time

> > respect the freedom and liberty of a member to express his or her

> > thoughts without fear of getting banned. what is happening in one group

> > shall be dealt only in that group and he shall desist in writing in

> > other groups on internal group skirmishes.

> > > >

> > > > accordingly, i wish to make another attempt to bring the two grieved

> > members prashantji and bhaskarji who both are tall in their own ways.

> > for this the following will surely work, if both have a will or wish to

> > do so.

> > > >

> > > > 1. commit to yourself that you would not write a single word

> > negative about the other for one year either in this (own) group or

> > elsewhere.

> > > >

> > > > 2. forget who did what earlier. it is like one chanting

> > shatanamavali not realising that the other can retort by chanting

> > sahasranamavali.

> > > >

> > > > 3. bhaskarji may contribute occassionally or time permitting in JR

> > and prashantji may contribute occassionally or time permitting in JG.

> > > >

> > > > the above three are sufficient positive steps on these two stars to

> > shine brightly and help the cause of jyotisha and benefit the members.

> > > >

> > > > members may be aware that prashantji was writing in almost all

> > astrology groups reading all queries and proved consistently that he is

> > a contributor unparallel in answering queries. his energy levels in

> > answering so many queries in so many groups consistently is

> > extraordinary notwithstanding his physical constraints and i give full

> > appreciation for this service. similarly bhaksarji has shared mostly on

> > jyotish subject even in those groups like AIA which are dedicatedly only

> > for subject with no readings and commercial customer attraction.

> > bhaskarji contributed most mails in many groups only to share and shine

> > the jyotisha subject further brightly and in my best memory had no enemy

> > in any group. initially he was hot few years ago but over the last few

> > years he is more matured and seasoned.

> > > >

> > > > last but most important is that both shall if at all wish to write

> > something to each other in public or private, CONVEY in a polite

> > positive diplomatic language and the other is intelligent enough to

> > understand.

> > > >

> > > > prashantji has demonstrated good tolerance in these couple of years

> > and would expect him to continue his good wor and create freiends and

> > spare no effort in converting foes to friends both in letter and spirit,

> > in word and deed.

> > > >

> > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > pandit arjun

> > > >

> > > > , " Rohiniranjan "

> > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Oh absolutely! I think Prashant jee and Tanvir have both been put

> > to test and challenge many times and both have worked wonderfully well

> > together. The worst thing and show of non-confidence that an owner can

> > do is to jump in. This would demonstrate that he does not trust the

> > moderator or his capability. Tanvir by staying mostly quiet has silently

> > voice his full confidence in Prashant ji, and has given Prashant ji an

> > opportunity to fight these so called flame wars in avery even keeled

> > manner and to show all of us his true grit and through each of these

> > little skirmishes and skid-rows as they call these perturbations his

> > good sense of understanding the human nature. Trust me, moderatorship

> > teaches a lot of people skills! :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > I am sure this would not be the last time when asteroids and

> > comets would enter our air space and create friction and heat! But like

> > all such celestial bodies, they would either burn out of keep on going

> > and influence some other planetary forum ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > Meanwhile, the rest of the gentry wakes up and watches the light

> > show of Mayavini Madam JwALATARANGA! ;-D

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , vattem krishnan

> > <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The effort certainly can not be singled out.with valuble advices

> > and with indepth study of problem raised by members,several members with

> > their expertise need also extend support to the moderator to control the

> > extraneous issues and bring in discipline.wish a great future

> > ahead.let's resolve to remove unwanted apprehensions. when the going is

> > good if somebody brags we need not get diverted from our basic motto

> > that is to keep the image going high and high.Prashnat Ji desrves

> > commendations

> > > > > > vrkrishnan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@ >

> > > > > > Membership of this group 10K+

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Friday, July 24, 2009, 10:09 AM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Prashant,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Congradulations for crossing 10K + membership in this group.

> > Most commendable is your effort in effectively moderating the group

> > postings inspite of great personal issues.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > May god bless you and all the members with happiness and

> > prosperity.

> > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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Dear members & friends, old timers & new timers

 

I was mute spectator in the rattle. I even tried to lighten things a bit through

Astrology ofcourse.

 

It is very true that I am not fully aware of all the facts that has happened

before and do not know any one personaly.

 

However, It seems this is going too far. Where are you getting time for writting

such lengthy practically meaningless mails again & again. Don't you have any

thing else to do worthwhile? I am surprised that even those claim to be

professionals joing the band wagon. How can Jyotish work with so much agitated

mind. Can yo do justice to the people who seek your advice?

 

Though it is not a surprise to me, it seems that no one is truely interested in

discusing about the Jyotish or try to get a clarification on what some one has

written about jyotish. Rather much more time is spent in digging old issues.

 

It is utterly laughable that the issue started by an outsider (?) ended in

further conflict between insiders & old timers.

 

I think who ever it is he achieved his goal - to brand every one here as fools

 

Think about it.

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

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Dear members,

As said in my earlier mail that I have been a silent spectator of couple of

astro groups.. and JR and Bhaskar ji group are the 2 group i regularly follow on

a daily basis. And i have the pleasure of being a silent and enlightning

dicussion on just not astrology but other things also. And someone who have

always admire members here for their knowledge and outlook towards life in

general, and also have the priviledge to meet few in person. I would request

that please not let these small and petty issues harm the larger purpose of

these websites. I have known Bhaskar ji for a year now and have met him also for

my personal guidance. And trust me when i say that he is a nice person.. very

helpfull.. and yes he has his own eccentric nature but then what i like about

him is his forthright nature.. and please dont think i m justifying anyone's

wrong behaviour. well but then right and wrong is again a matter of

perspective..:) I think I m digressing from the

topic.. All i want to say is that as average and silent member, who come to

these groups to hear and listen to learned members like you.. it hurts me when i

saw dirty lining washed on a public forum like this.. adn trust me that out of

this 10k members.. 99% are like me.. silent spectators.. who look upto learned

members like you.. so for our sake.. please... in the end i just want to request

that please dont ban anyone.. i have read and follow bhaskar ji in his forum

also.. and i have seen goign berserk and mad .. bt then in followup i have alos

seen publicly apologising in his own forum to that person.. Uppps i m still in

office and written too much.. better go back to work now ..:)

Dont know wht more to say..all of you are learned and respected people with many

years of experience.. trust that you will do what is right..

thanks & regardsrajesh

 

--- On Mon, 7/27/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote:

 

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

Re: Membership of this group 10K+

 

Monday, July 27, 2009, 3:13 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Prashant ji,

 

 

 

Your message truly disturbs me!

 

 

 

Please understand that Jyotish Remedies or any other forum that I participate in

means nothing to me, has taught me hardly anything and your message brings back

bad memories!

 

 

 

Months and years ago when Tanvir decided to ban you, I was the first one to

publicly question his decision because I felt that you were abrasive but still

important for Jyotish Remedies. And others joined in and you were reinstituted

by the kind grace of Tanvir who I respect and admire a lot!

 

 

 

Today, I publicly protest again for this corporate decision for Banning Mr.

Bhaskar! Just as I publicly protested when someone posted a desire to use his

horoscope to make a personal point!

 

 

 

WE SIMPLY CANNOT allow that kind of thing and yet claim ourselves to be

DEMOCRATIC!

 

 

 

Perhaps the corporate decision to ban Bhaskar was based on messages by him that

were not approved and which were inflammatory and in that case obviously you and

Tanvir have the prerogative to ban him and really we members do not have any say

in that.

 

 

 

But if his messages have not been abusive or otherwise inflammatory or

destructive to , and how can messages from ONE person ever be

that destructive to a large forum like this, I would request that MAY cooler

heads prevail! Please?

 

 

 

Thanks

 

 

 

RR

 

 

 

, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..>

wrote:

 

>

 

> Dear RRjji

 

>

 

>

 

> I agree with ur post fully esp the last 2 lines

 

>

 

> // And we all must be able to distinguish between Moderator Prashant ji and

contributor Prashant ji! //

 

>

 

> I wish I had read this a few min earlier, I was in a dilemma till now, I have

postponed Tanvir jis order to BAN bhaskar ji a few times he has asked me even

y'day. today with the few messages a bit cooler felt giving him a hint he will

apologise to TANVIR ji for accusing him and me of anti-national activities he

spreads in all groups with no proof and wants to be forgiven all the time.

 

>

 

> I have never banned anyone till now

 

> vk sharma has been voilating the RULES of soliciting clientile i have warned

him nanytimes today will be the last

 

> next time i said will ban him

 

>

 

> if Bhaskr ji does the clean up in other forums surely can work from todays

mindset that is relaxed at the monring from all the DIGJAN as he said, and

restore him here, choice is his

 

>

 

> he had a smooth last day for the moment here

 

>

 

> he surely will know faster than i knew anytime, it is sad and with a heavy

heart I had to do this

 

> as both the onwer and me were abused repeatedly for over 15 months now.

 

>

 

> I had taken a few strong steps last week end and hinted more to come after

confering withthe Owner tanvir ji as it is not my forum we have to follow his

guidlines.

 

>

 

> I hope things tourn out for the better

 

>

 

> Prashant

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> ____________ _________ _________ __

 

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

 

>

 

> Monday, July 27, 2009 2:16:38 PM

 

> Re: Membership of this group 10K+

 

>

 

>

 

> Bhaskar-bhai,

 

>

 

> One mistake that I caught in your email! {I am from St. Paul Higher Secondary

-- myself!} But I bet you did not have the experience that I had, when I showed

up for the catechism class in the afternoon after school innocently just because

my best friend Subhash Daniel Singh invited me to, innocently! From such

innocent moments do we arise and awaken! From that moment of personal

embarassment I learned a lifetime of lessons about organized religion! :-)

 

>

 

> It is not the moderator that can ever bring back the warmth to this or any

other forum! It is us that post that control the content of this or any other

forum!

 

>

 

> It is only when we bring in disharmony into our renderings that the moderators

and owner etc are forced to jump in!

 

>

 

> Our victory and prowess as members and contributors shows up when we continue

to interact without giving the moderators and owners a chance to show up!

 

>

 

> And we all must be able to distinguish between Moderator Prashant ji and

contributor Prashant ji!

 

>

 

> Those are two different roles which we shall not confuse and nor would

hopefully Prashant ji!

 

>

 

> RR

 

>

 

> , " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises@ ...>

wrote:

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > Dear Shri RR ji,

 

> >

 

> > Your mail echoes my feelings too.

 

> >

 

> > This Group has been an alma mater to me too. My First Group where I

 

> > sharpened my skills and gained confidence in my own astrological

 

> > abilities. How can I forget this. It is my childhood school and close to

 

> > my heart, for which I have always wished well. I long for those members

 

> > to come back like those olden golden days where we could discuss freely

 

> > on any topic astro or just daily affairs, jokes, small disagreements,

 

> > especially your messages full of Super English which made me feel

 

> > inferior because I had to read those twice to understand them fully, and

 

> > I always prided myself of coming from a Roman Catholic school - Don

 

> > Bosco. (All pride shattered after trying to understand your Englis. Ha

 

> > Ha. )

 

> >

 

> > Let the Moderator of this Group bring back the warmth of that Home back

 

> > to all of us past students, I request him earnestly.

 

> >

 

> > best wishes,

 

> >

 

> > Bhaskar.

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > , " Rohiniranjan "

 

> > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote:

 

> > >

 

> > > Dear Arjun ji,

 

> > >

 

> > > Thank you Sir for your supportive message!

 

> > >

 

> > > Speaking for myself personally, I would hope that we all realize that

 

> > Jyotishis in the bigger worldly scheme of things are treated as a group,

 

> > a class, a cohort! And in that sense we are a minority, regardless of

 

> > our 10K or 12K strong groups with many redundancies!

 

> > >

 

> > > Instead of us sharing in silos, and those do have a place too and

 

> > purpose -- it would be wonderful to hear the voices of all experts right

 

> > here, where most of them began if I recall correctly!

 

> > >

 

> > > For me, Jyotish_Group is kind of the alma mater for it evolved from

 

> > the original Jyotish List started by Ben Collins and where I met the

 

> > great KNRao and Sri Rath and many others directly -- and hence even if

 

> > Jyotish Group is a very different institution now, I visit it often!

 

> > >

 

> > > Why can not the members of feel the same way and

 

> > visit and contribute here? It is never about the building or the

 

> > teachers or individuals! It is always about memories of those times

 

> > where you were in the classroom wher you belonged once and learned from!

 

> > >

 

> > > Rohiniranjan

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > > , " panditarjun2004 "

 

> > panditarjun2004@ wrote:

 

> > > >

 

> > > > dear friends

 

> > > >

 

> > > > whenever a group achieves certain milestones, due appreciation is

 

> > given to the owner and moderator. prashantji has done a great job in

 

> > ensuring the members not to receive worst vulgar slang language mails

 

> > which were witnessed in this group when he joined as a moderator.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > once again i advise prashantji through this mail that he shall

 

> > publicly restate once again that he treats all members equally and has

 

> > no hatred against anyone (including bhaskarji) and at the same time

 

> > respect the freedom and liberty of a member to express his or her

 

> > thoughts without fear of getting banned. what is happening in one group

 

> > shall be dealt only in that group and he shall desist in writing in

 

> > other groups on internal group skirmishes.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > accordingly, i wish to make another attempt to bring the two grieved

 

> > members prashantji and bhaskarji who both are tall in their own ways.

 

> > for this the following will surely work, if both have a will or wish to

 

> > do so.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > 1. commit to yourself that you would not write a single word

 

> > negative about the other for one year either in this (own) group or

 

> > elsewhere.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > 2. forget who did what earlier. it is like one chanting

 

> > shatanamavali not realising that the other can retort by chanting

 

> > sahasranamavali.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > 3. bhaskarji may contribute occassionally or time permitting in JR

 

> > and prashantji may contribute occassionally or time permitting in JG.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > the above three are sufficient positive steps on these two stars to

 

> > shine brightly and help the cause of jyotisha and benefit the members.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > members may be aware that prashantji was writing in almost all

 

> > astrology groups reading all queries and proved consistently that he is

 

> > a contributor unparallel in answering queries. his energy levels in

 

> > answering so many queries in so many groups consistently is

 

> > extraordinary notwithstanding his physical constraints and i give full

 

> > appreciation for this service. similarly bhaksarji has shared mostly on

 

> > jyotish subject even in those groups like AIA which are dedicatedly only

 

> > for subject with no readings and commercial customer attraction.

 

> > bhaskarji contributed most mails in many groups only to share and shine

 

> > the jyotisha subject further brightly and in my best memory had no enemy

 

> > in any group. initially he was hot few years ago but over the last few

 

> > years he is more matured and seasoned.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > last but most important is that both shall if at all wish to write

 

> > something to each other in public or private, CONVEY in a polite

 

> > positive diplomatic language and the other is intelligent enough to

 

> > understand.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > prashantji has demonstrated good tolerance in these couple of years

 

> > and would expect him to continue his good wor and create freiends and

 

> > spare no effort in converting foes to friends both in letter and spirit,

 

> > in word and deed.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > with best wishes and blessings

 

> > > > pandit arjun

 

> > > >

 

> > > > , " Rohiniranjan "

 

> > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote:

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Oh absolutely! I think Prashant jee and Tanvir have both been put

 

> > to test and challenge many times and both have worked wonderfully well

 

> > together. The worst thing and show of non-confidence that an owner can

 

> > do is to jump in. This would demonstrate that he does not trust the

 

> > moderator or his capability. Tanvir by staying mostly quiet has silently

 

> > voice his full confidence in Prashant ji, and has given Prashant ji an

 

> > opportunity to fight these so called flame wars in avery even keeled

 

> > manner and to show all of us his true grit and through each of these

 

> > little skirmishes and skid-rows as they call these perturbations his

 

> > good sense of understanding the human nature. Trust me, moderatorship

 

> > teaches a lot of people skills! :-)

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > I am sure this would not be the last time when asteroids and

 

> > comets would enter our air space and create friction and heat! But like

 

> > all such celestial bodies, they would either burn out of keep on going

 

> > and influence some other planetary forum ;-)

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Meanwhile, the rest of the gentry wakes up and watches the light

 

> > show of Mayavini Madam JwALATARANGA! ;-D

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > RR

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > , vattem krishnan

 

> > <bursar_99@> wrote:

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > The effort certainly can not be singled out.with valuble advices

 

> > and with indepth study of problem raised by members,several members with

 

> > their expertise need also extend support to the moderator to control the

 

> > extraneous issues and bring in discipline.wish a great future

 

> > ahead.let's resolve to remove unwanted apprehensions. when the going is

 

> > good if somebody brags we need not get diverted from our basic motto

 

> > that is to keep the image going high and high.Prashnat Ji desrves

 

> > commendations

 

> > > > > > vrkrishnan

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@ >

 

> > > > > > Membership of this group 10K+

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > Friday, July 24, 2009, 10:09 AM

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > Dear Prashant,

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > Congradulations for crossing 10K + membership in this group.

 

> > Most commendable is your effort in effectively moderating the group

 

> > postings inspite of great personal issues.

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > May god bless you and all the members with happiness and

 

> > prosperity.

 

> > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

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Dear rajesh,

 

i appreciate the sentiments shared by u, given a choice we must not go this far,

but not taking action on a few baseless charges for so ling even after giving a

hint had to find its place.

 

a simple question can u fwd a few cases of such intervention when such posts

came there in his group from UR END

like when he abused me duing most of june at least

 

I am sure as u said u r a silent and nuteral member will like to see ur views on

me, tanvir ji as well

 

pl don;t worry i am sure he will do the needful and will be back soon after.

 

prashant

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dreams Unlimiteds <dreams_unlimiteds

 

Monday, July 27, 2009 4:17:46 PM

Re: Membership of this group 10K+

 

 

Dear members,

As said in my earlier mail that I have been a silent spectator of couple of

astro groups.. and JR and Bhaskar ji group are the 2 group i regularly follow on

a daily basis. And i have the pleasure of being a silent and enlightning

dicussion on just not astrology but other things also. And someone who have

always admire members here for their knowledge and outlook towards life in

general, and also have the priviledge to meet few in person. I would request

that please not let these small and petty issues harm the larger purpose of

these websites. I have known Bhaskar ji for a year now and have met him also for

my personal guidance. And trust me when i say that he is a nice person.. very

helpfull.. and yes he has his own eccentric nature but then what i like about

him is his forthright nature.. and please dont think i m justifying anyone's

wrong behaviour. well but then right and wrong is again a matter of perspective.

..:) I think I m digressing from the

topic.. All i want to say is that as average and silent member, who come to

these groups to hear and listen to learned members like you.. it hurts me when i

saw dirty lining washed on a public forum like this.. adn trust me that out of

this 10k members.. 99% are like me.. silent spectators.. who look upto learned

members like you.. so for our sake.. please... in the end i just want to request

that please dont ban anyone.. i have read and follow bhaskar ji in his forum

also.. and i have seen goign berserk and mad .. bt then in followup i have alos

seen publicly apologising in his own forum to that person.. Uppps i m still in

office and written too much.. better go back to work now ..:)

Dont know wht more to say..all of you are learned and respected people with many

years of experience.. trust that you will do what is right..

thanks & regardsrajesh

 

--- On Mon, 7/27/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com> wrote:

 

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ hotmail.com>

Re: Membership of this group 10K+

 

Monday, July 27, 2009, 3:13 PM

 

 

 

Dear Prashant ji,

 

Your message truly disturbs me!

 

Please understand that Jyotish Remedies or any other forum that I participate in

means nothing to me, has taught me hardly anything and your message brings back

bad memories!

 

Months and years ago when Tanvir decided to ban you, I was the first one to

publicly question his decision because I felt that you were abrasive but still

important for Jyotish Remedies. And others joined in and you were reinstituted

by the kind grace of Tanvir who I respect and admire a lot!

 

Today, I publicly protest again for this corporate decision for Banning Mr.

Bhaskar! Just as I publicly protested when someone posted a desire to use his

horoscope to make a personal point!

 

WE SIMPLY CANNOT allow that kind of thing and yet claim ourselves to be

DEMOCRATIC!

 

Perhaps the corporate decision to ban Bhaskar was based on messages by him that

were not approved and which were inflammatory and in that case obviously you and

Tanvir have the prerogative to ban him and really we members do not have any say

in that.

 

But if his messages have not been abusive or otherwise inflammatory or

destructive to , and how can messages from ONE person ever be

that destructive to a large forum like this, I would request that MAY cooler

heads prevail! Please?

 

Thanks

 

RR

 

, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..>

wrote:

 

>

 

> Dear RRjji

 

>

 

>

 

> I agree with ur post fully esp the last 2 lines

 

>

 

> // And we all must be able to distinguish between Moderator Prashant ji and

contributor Prashant ji! //

 

>

 

> I wish I had read this a few min earlier, I was in a dilemma till now, I have

postponed Tanvir jis order to BAN bhaskar ji a few times he has asked me even

y'day. today with the few messages a bit cooler felt giving him a hint he will

apologise to TANVIR ji for accusing him and me of anti-national activities he

spreads in all groups with no proof and wants to be forgiven all the time.

 

>

 

> I have never banned anyone till now

 

> vk sharma has been voilating the RULES of soliciting clientile i have warned

him nanytimes today will be the last

 

> next time i said will ban him

 

>

 

> if Bhaskr ji does the clean up in other forums surely can work from todays

mindset that is relaxed at the monring from all the DIGJAN as he said, and

restore him here, choice is his

 

>

 

> he had a smooth last day for the moment here

 

>

 

> he surely will know faster than i knew anytime, it is sad and with a heavy

heart I had to do this

 

> as both the onwer and me were abused repeatedly for over 15 months now.

 

>

 

> I had taken a few strong steps last week end and hinted more to come after

confering withthe Owner tanvir ji as it is not my forum we have to follow his

guidlines.

 

>

 

> I hope things tourn out for the better

 

>

 

> Prashant

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> ____________ _________ _________ __

 

> Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

 

>

 

> Monday, July 27, 2009 2:16:38 PM

 

> Re: Membership of this group 10K+

 

>

 

>

 

> Bhaskar-bhai,

 

>

 

> One mistake that I caught in your email! {I am from St. Paul Higher Secondary

-- myself!} But I bet you did not have the experience that I had, when I showed

up for the catechism class in the afternoon after school innocently just because

my best friend Subhash Daniel Singh invited me to, innocently! From such

innocent moments do we arise and awaken! From that moment of personal

embarassment I learned a lifetime of lessons about organized religion! :-)

 

>

 

> It is not the moderator that can ever bring back the warmth to this or any

other forum! It is us that post that control the content of this or any other

forum!

 

>

 

> It is only when we bring in disharmony into our renderings that the moderators

and owner etc are forced to jump in!

 

>

 

> Our victory and prowess as members and contributors shows up when we continue

to interact without giving the moderators and owners a chance to show up!

 

>

 

> And we all must be able to distinguish between Moderator Prashant ji and

contributor Prashant ji!

 

>

 

> Those are two different roles which we shall not confuse and nor would

hopefully Prashant ji!

 

>

 

> RR

 

>

 

> , " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises@ ...>

wrote:

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > Dear Shri RR ji,

 

> >

 

> > Your mail echoes my feelings too.

 

> >

 

> > This Group has been an alma mater to me too. My First Group where I

 

> > sharpened my skills and gained confidence in my own astrological

 

> > abilities. How can I forget this. It is my childhood school and close to

 

> > my heart, for which I have always wished well. I long for those members

 

> > to come back like those olden golden days where we could discuss freely

 

> > on any topic astro or just daily affairs, jokes, small disagreements,

 

> > especially your messages full of Super English which made me feel

 

> > inferior because I had to read those twice to understand them fully, and

 

> > I always prided myself of coming from a Roman Catholic school - Don

 

> > Bosco. (All pride shattered after trying to understand your Englis. Ha

 

> > Ha. )

 

> >

 

> > Let the Moderator of this Group bring back the warmth of that Home back

 

> > to all of us past students, I request him earnestly.

 

> >

 

> > best wishes,

 

> >

 

> > Bhaskar.

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > , " Rohiniranjan "

 

> > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote:

 

> > >

 

> > > Dear Arjun ji,

 

> > >

 

> > > Thank you Sir for your supportive message!

 

> > >

 

> > > Speaking for myself personally, I would hope that we all realize that

 

> > Jyotishis in the bigger worldly scheme of things are treated as a group,

 

> > a class, a cohort! And in that sense we are a minority, regardless of

 

> > our 10K or 12K strong groups with many redundancies!

 

> > >

 

> > > Instead of us sharing in silos, and those do have a place too and

 

> > purpose -- it would be wonderful to hear the voices of all experts right

 

> > here, where most of them began if I recall correctly!

 

> > >

 

> > > For me, Jyotish_Group is kind of the alma mater for it evolved from

 

> > the original Jyotish List started by Ben Collins and where I met the

 

> > great KNRao and Sri Rath and many others directly -- and hence even if

 

> > Jyotish Group is a very different institution now, I visit it often!

 

> > >

 

> > > Why can not the members of feel the same way and

 

> > visit and contribute here? It is never about the building or the

 

> > teachers or individuals! It is always about memories of those times

 

> > where you were in the classroom wher you belonged once and learned from!

 

> > >

 

> > > Rohiniranjan

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

> > > , " panditarjun2004 "

 

> > panditarjun2004@ wrote:

 

> > > >

 

> > > > dear friends

 

> > > >

 

> > > > whenever a group achieves certain milestones, due appreciation is

 

> > given to the owner and moderator. prashantji has done a great job in

 

> > ensuring the members not to receive worst vulgar slang language mails

 

> > which were witnessed in this group when he joined as a moderator.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > once again i advise prashantji through this mail that he shall

 

> > publicly restate once again that he treats all members equally and has

 

> > no hatred against anyone (including bhaskarji) and at the same time

 

> > respect the freedom and liberty of a member to express his or her

 

> > thoughts without fear of getting banned. what is happening in one group

 

> > shall be dealt only in that group and he shall desist in writing in

 

> > other groups on internal group skirmishes.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > accordingly, i wish to make another attempt to bring the two grieved

 

> > members prashantji and bhaskarji who both are tall in their own ways.

 

> > for this the following will surely work, if both have a will or wish to

 

> > do so.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > 1. commit to yourself that you would not write a single word

 

> > negative about the other for one year either in this (own) group or

 

> > elsewhere.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > 2. forget who did what earlier. it is like one chanting

 

> > shatanamavali not realising that the other can retort by chanting

 

> > sahasranamavali.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > 3. bhaskarji may contribute occassionally or time permitting in JR

 

> > and prashantji may contribute occassionally or time permitting in JG.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > the above three are sufficient positive steps on these two stars to

 

> > shine brightly and help the cause of jyotisha and benefit the members.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > members may be aware that prashantji was writing in almost all

 

> > astrology groups reading all queries and proved consistently that he is

 

> > a contributor unparallel in answering queries. his energy levels in

 

> > answering so many queries in so many groups consistently is

 

> > extraordinary notwithstanding his physical constraints and i give full

 

> > appreciation for this service. similarly bhaksarji has shared mostly on

 

> > jyotish subject even in those groups like AIA which are dedicatedly only

 

> > for subject with no readings and commercial customer attraction.

 

> > bhaskarji contributed most mails in many groups only to share and shine

 

> > the jyotisha subject further brightly and in my best memory had no enemy

 

> > in any group. initially he was hot few years ago but over the last few

 

> > years he is more matured and seasoned.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > last but most important is that both shall if at all wish to write

 

> > something to each other in public or private, CONVEY in a polite

 

> > positive diplomatic language and the other is intelligent enough to

 

> > understand.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > prashantji has demonstrated good tolerance in these couple of years

 

> > and would expect him to continue his good wor and create freiends and

 

> > spare no effort in converting foes to friends both in letter and spirit,

 

> > in word and deed.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > with best wishes and blessings

 

> > > > pandit arjun

 

> > > >

 

> > > > , " Rohiniranjan "

 

> > <rohini_ranjan@ > wrote:

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Oh absolutely! I think Prashant jee and Tanvir have both been put

 

> > to test and challenge many times and both have worked wonderfully well

 

> > together. The worst thing and show of non-confidence that an owner can

 

> > do is to jump in. This would demonstrate that he does not trust the

 

> > moderator or his capability. Tanvir by staying mostly quiet has silently

 

> > voice his full confidence in Prashant ji, and has given Prashant ji an

 

> > opportunity to fight these so called flame wars in avery even keeled

 

> > manner and to show all of us his true grit and through each of these

 

> > little skirmishes and skid-rows as they call these perturbations his

 

> > good sense of understanding the human nature. Trust me, moderatorship

 

> > teaches a lot of people skills! :-)

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > I am sure this would not be the last time when asteroids and

 

> > comets would enter our air space and create friction and heat! But like

 

> > all such celestial bodies, they would either burn out of keep on going

 

> > and influence some other planetary forum ;-)

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > Meanwhile, the rest of the gentry wakes up and watches the light

 

> > show of Mayavini Madam JwALATARANGA! ;-D

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > RR

 

> > > > >

 

> > > > > , vattem krishnan

 

> > <bursar_99@> wrote:

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > The effort certainly can not be singled out.with valuble advices

 

> > and with indepth study of problem raised by members,several members with

 

> > their expertise need also extend support to the moderator to control the

 

> > extraneous issues and bring in discipline.wish a great future

 

> > ahead.let's resolve to remove unwanted apprehensions. when the going is

 

> > good if somebody brags we need not get diverted from our basic motto

 

> > that is to keep the image going high and high.Prashnat Ji desrves

 

> > commendations

 

> > > > > > vrkrishnan

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/24/09, sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@ >

 

> > > > > > Membership of this group 10K+

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > Friday, July 24, 2009, 10:09 AM

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > Dear Prashant,

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > Congradulations for crossing 10K + membership in this group.

 

> > Most commendable is your effort in effectively moderating the group

 

> > postings inspite of great personal issues.

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > > May god bless you and all the members with happiness and

 

> > prosperity.

 

> > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

 

> > > > > >

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fire from outsiders and insiders staring is also fun Sir,I agree v have better

things2 reflect and grope than getting into modern ramayan

vrkrishnan

with regards

 

--- On Mon, 7/27/09, sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag wrote:

 

 

sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag

Re: Membership of this group 10K+

 

Monday, July 27, 2009, 6:35 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear members & friends, old timers & new timers

 

I was mute spectator in the rattle. I even tried to lighten things a bit through

Astrology ofcourse.

 

It is very true that I am not fully aware of all the facts that has happened

before and do not know any one personaly.

 

However, It seems this is going too far. Where are you getting time for writting

such lengthy practically meaningless mails again & again. Don't you have any

thing else to do worthwhile? I am surprised that even those claim to be

professionals joing the band wagon. How can Jyotish work with so much agitated

mind. Can yo do justice to the people who seek your advice?

 

Though it is not a surprise to me, it seems that no one is truely interested in

discusing about the Jyotish or try to get a clarification on what some one has

written about jyotish. Rather much more time is spent in digging old issues.

 

It is utterly laughable that the issue started by an outsider (?) ended in

further conflict between insiders & old timers.

 

I think who ever it is he achieved his goal - to brand every one here as fools

 

Think about it.

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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For all my short sighted scribblings moderator stood solidly behind.Not in this

group but ekse where.show of astreroids is thrilling if v can b silent

observers.

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Sun, 7/26/09, Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan wrote:

 

 

Rohiniranjan <rohini_ranjan

Re: Membership of this group 10K+

 

Sunday, July 26, 2009, 7:11 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh absolutely! I think Prashant jee and Tanvir have both been put to test and

challenge many times and both have worked wonderfully well together. The worst

thing and show of non-confidence that an owner can do is to jump in. This would

demonstrate that he does not trust the moderator or his capability. Tanvir by

staying mostly quiet has silently voice his full confidence in Prashant ji, and

has given Prashant ji an opportunity to fight these so called flame wars in

avery even keeled manner and to show all of us his true grit and through each of

these little skirmishes and skid-rows as they call these perturbations his good

sense of understanding the human nature. Trust me, moderatorship teaches a lot

of people skills! :-)

 

I am sure this would not be the last time when asteroids and comets would enter

our air space and create friction and heat! But like all such celestial bodies,

they would either burn out of keep on going and influence some other planetary

forum ;-)

 

Meanwhile, the rest of the gentry wakes up and watches the light show of

Mayavini Madam JwALATARANGA! ;-D

 

RR

 

, vattem krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> The effort certainly can not be singled out.with valuble advices and with

indepth study of problem raised by members,several members with their expertise

need also extend support to the moderator to control the extraneous issues and

bring in discipline.wish a great future ahead.let's resolve to remove unwanted

apprehensions. when the going is good if somebody brags we need not get diverted

from our basic motto that is to keep the image going high and high.Prashnat Ji

desrves commendations

> vrkrishnan

>

> --- On Fri, 7/24/09, sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote:

>

>

> sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@ ...>

> Membership of this group 10K+

>

> Friday, July 24, 2009, 10:09 AM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Dear Prashant,

>

> Congradulations for crossing 10K + membership in this group. Most commendable

is your effort in effectively moderating the group postings inspite of great

personal issues.

>

> May god bless you and all the members with happiness and prosperity.

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

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