astro explorer, sbm_sharma, vkkholi Msg 62563

[Guest guest]

Members,

 

pl see this is a request by Bhaskar ji so no motive on my part in allowing such

mails

 

,,, // I request Mr.Prashant GB to

forward me the email as it is (And not Copy paste) so that I can ask my

men to locate the person who has written this mail. //...

 

I will fwd the same to the group and let the members decide on Msg no 62563

 

only way the headers, IP address can be seen if in group inbox

 

as no forwarding to other ID's r there so did a cut and paste 1st time

 

now it is his choice to be allowed

 

I rest my case here.

 

 

Prashant

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Bhaskar <rajiventerprises

 

Saturday, July 25, 2009 2:25:41 PM

Re: astro explorer, sbm_sharma, vkkholi

 

 

 

Dear Prashant ji,

 

Thank You for the step taken . I am personally never heard name of this

Sharma nor interacted with him ever as far as I remember. If one of my

moderators has fleeced him, as per his say,then he must have at least

contacted the Group owner (Myself) where he was fleeced, which he did

not, and now just coming and writing on some other group, does not make

any sense. In this manner just anybody can go to any group and write

anything about other Groups moderators, but wheres the evidence ?

 

He has done these blunders -

 

1) Defamation of the Jyotish Ganga Group Moderator without naming anyone

and no proof, and accused the moderator there of fleecing him.

 

2) Calling the Jyotish_Ganga Moderators as cowards.

 

3) Calling me as " A third rate servant " .

 

4) Intimidating me with use of a Political figures name whom he claims

as being his old friend and associate.

 

I will wait till tonight and if he does not offer a apology, then I will

take the matter to the Congress party, including Mr.Milind Deora himself

and his Father, Mr.Murli Deora (MP) for explanation as why am I being

intimidated by a friend of his son.

 

This matter will of course also be taken to the opposition party BJP.

 

I will not sit quiet I am warning the members involved, and also

Mr.Kohli who has send me a threatening mail, I request Mr.Prashant GB to

forward me the email as it is (And not Copy paste) so that I can ask my

men to locate the person who has written this mail.

 

regards/Bhaskar

 

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote:

>

> Dear Members named above

>

> pl make sure u post ur replies by tonight max by 10 pm IST if u don't

identify urself by name, location

>

> and also reply naming the members whom u have accused of fleecing

>

> I will put even old member like sbm_sharma under moderation

>

> at least any abuses true or fale will not pass withot my knowledge

>

> LET JYOTISH PREVAIL PERSONAL ISSUES FROM OTHER GROUPS PL SETTLE IT

LOCALLY IF NOT ALLOWD IN PERSONAL ID's which r public

>

> thanks for restoring the peace for the day

>

> prashant

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. Prashant Kumar

 

I hv been reading the messages posted and the controversy being created. U as an

moderator are not showing the required administration skills as an moderator

seeing the kind of mails being posted. This site is an astrology site but you

are making this as an akhada or arena for people airing thier grieveances and

conflicts and you by allowing these kinds of mail to be posted it seems you are

in favour of these activities in an astrology forum.

 

I also have my own forum, which u are also aware of, Mr. Bhaskar also has his

own forum, if this would have  happened in my forum, without seeing the

seniority of the member I should have first moderated and not allowed these

things. I would have written in privacy and tried internally get the issue

resolved.

 

By u supporting these kind of messages u r converting this vedic astrology forum

into an akhada. Act fast before any severe things happen. Some prominent

politicians name have been quoted in this forum in the controversial messages. I

am certain Mr. bhaskar will take up this matter to the concerned politician by

forwarding all the mails quoting the political figure name and the politician

can use his influence and authority to ask the authorities to BAN THIS

FORUM.

 

U r a CEO of this forum, u need to excercise ur administrative skills.

 

 

 

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________________________________

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

 

Saturday, 25 July, 2009 6:14:23 PM

Re: Re: astro explorer, sbm_sharma, vkkholi Msg 62563

 

 

Members,

 

pl see this is a request by Bhaskar ji so no motive on my part in allowing such

mails

 

,,, // I request Mr.Prashant GB to

forward me the email as it is (And not Copy paste) so that I can ask my

men to locate the person who has written this mail. //...

 

I will fwd the same to the group and let the members decide on Msg no 62563

 

only way the headers, IP address can be seen if in group inbox

 

as no forwarding to other ID's r there so did a cut and paste 1st time

 

now it is his choice to be allowed

 

I rest my case here.

 

Prashant

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@ hathway.com>

 

Saturday, July 25, 2009 2:25:41 PM

Re: astro explorer, sbm_sharma, vkkholi

 

Dear Prashant ji,

 

Thank You for the step taken . I am personally never heard name of this

Sharma nor interacted with him ever as far as I remember. If one of my

moderators has fleeced him, as per his say,then he must have at least

contacted the Group owner (Myself) where he was fleeced, which he did

not, and now just coming and writing on some other group, does not make

any sense. In this manner just anybody can go to any group and write

anything about other Groups moderators, but wheres the evidence ?

 

He has done these blunders -

 

1) Defamation of the Jyotish Ganga Group Moderator without naming anyone

and no proof, and accused the moderator there of fleecing him.

 

2) Calling the Jyotish_Ganga Moderators as cowards.

 

3) Calling me as " A third rate servant " .

 

4) Intimidating me with use of a Political figures name whom he claims

as being his old friend and associate.

 

I will wait till tonight and if he does not offer a apology, then I will

take the matter to the Congress party, including Mr.Milind Deora himself

and his Father, Mr.Murli Deora (MP) for explanation as why am I being

intimidated by a friend of his son.

 

This matter will of course also be taken to the opposition party BJP.

 

I will not sit quiet I am warning the members involved, and also

Mr.Kohli who has send me a threatening mail, I request Mr.Prashant GB to

forward me the email as it is (And not Copy paste) so that I can ask my

men to locate the person who has written this mail.

 

regards/Bhaskar

 

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote:

>

> Dear Members named above

>

> pl make sure u post ur replies by tonight max by 10 pm IST if u don't

identify urself by name, location

>

> and also reply naming the members whom u have accused of fleecing

>

> I will put even old member like sbm_sharma under moderation

>

> at least any abuses true or fale will not pass withot my knowledge

>

> LET JYOTISH PREVAIL PERSONAL ISSUES FROM OTHER GROUPS PL SETTLE IT

LOCALLY IF NOT ALLOWD IN PERSONAL ID's which r public

>

> thanks for restoring the peace for the day

>

> prashant

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Prashant ji,

 

I am writing this as a moderator in AIA and

JG, and a member of your group. I had been a little busy since morning and now

surprised

to see a spate of such controversial and threatening mails in the group. It is

not only about AIA and JG, it also about JR, its owners, astrologers and

members and the astro-fraternity.

 

 

As a moderator, it should be your duty to

stop such derogatory messages and protect everyone from this vicious attack.

Even

if this member was un-moderated, as you say, his second abusive message

appeared after 7-8 hours of the first one. You had plenty of time to take

action. In case of emergency, a curfew is imposed, even if it means not allowing

anyone to pass through. I am sure your members are wise enough to understand,

if you’d taken that action. And there are many others who have been posting

indiscriminately on the list.

 

 

Such spiteful and malicious mails for respected

members and astrologers on various fora, the temples, where thousands seek

predictions everyday! And you’ve been watching and waiting to take action?

 

 

If this person sbm_sharma was squeezed of

the last penny by a moderator of JG, WHY did he write a mail on my pvt ID

asking for readings and insisting on paying just a day before this episode. I

refused because I am not a professional astrologer. What was he trying to prove?

He said he would like to pay in

advance? Please find below, a copy of the exchange, for the members to

see the games such people can play.

 

 

I think it is a duty of moderators to take

preventive actions and not run after the damage is done! And I do hope you'll

approve this message without delay so that everyone can be warned of such menace

threatening astrologers! Anybody walking in and uttering absurdities here, be it

for another site/forum/astrolger is disgusting. I hope there is ONE

astro-fraternity, though we may have different modes and methods of operation.

 

 

X-posted

 

 

//////////////////////////

 

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07

2009/7/24

Re: Paid Consultation

Sham

Sharma <sbm_sharma

 

I do not accept any dakshina or money for my readings. you may post your

details and if I will try to see as and when I find time.

 

Regards

Neelam

2009/7/22 Sham Sharma <sbm_sharma

 

Namaste Neelamji,

 

You have an excellent memory! My cousin was doing fine till a few weeks ago

when he came out of remission. He is in Vellorehospital

and a donor may have been found. Thank you for asking.

The questions I have pertain only to me. As I would like a detailed analysis I

insist on giving some type of dakshina in advance.

Regards,

Sham

 

neelam gupta wrote:

> Sharma ji, I am not a commercial astrologer and I do not charge for

consultations. If I am not mistaken, you had put up a chart where native was

suffering form Cancer. We've not heard from you since then. Any feedback on

that?

> Is there any other issue now?

Regards

Neelam

 

2009/7/22 sbm_sharma < sbm_sharma >

> Dear Neelam Ji,

> Do you provide paid consultations? I can remit payment in advance via

paypal or western union. Please let me know.

> Regards,

> Sham Sharma

> NY, USA

 

////////////////////////////////

 

Thanks and Regards

Neelam

[Guest guest]

Neelam ji

 

 

u must get ur facts right first from the owner of JG

 

at his explict request only the 2nd mail was sent and that has been detailed

clearly in the group so blame him not me

 

first mail is unmoderated one which u all accept so what is the issue now?

 

 

pl come out and look at the issue dispassionately I did my best to remedy the

situation i spoke to bhaskar ji and decided my response also spoke to other

seniors also after it came only

 

I WANT TO KNOW DO ALL OF U READ EVERY MESSAGE IN THE GROUPS U MODERATE

 

I KNOW BY FACT - IT IS A LOUD NO

 

when I was repeatedly abused in AIA BY bhaskar ji none of u stepped in did u?

[so many moderators there]]

 

on the dusthana thread he gives my case as a example with no birth data,

astrological explaination one bit

 

if one has to learn to cheat, exploit ppl one must learn from PGB... CEO OF

JR... it is same does he have proof of it?

 

i was not even given a chance to defened my self i have given him the same.

 

fairness is equidistant, but I have done far more. what I miss I have asked not

got I have given what is normal in a democratic worlld

 

I PRACTICE WHAT I PREACH and WHAT OUR OWNER Tanvir ji has PREACHED AND LIVED

UP TO

 

I HAD TO ALLOW THIS AS EVEN HE WAS A SUBJECT OF ATTACK UNFAIRLY here

whenever he was attacked in other groups also I have defended him, [ i do with

Sri PV Narshima rao ji also]

 

HENCE MY NEXT PART OF THE MAIL BELOW

 

*****

 

Well I understand the situation and already have taken enough measures one y'day

and another today.

 

in the 1st i said ppl with an AXE2GRIND with members or group of AIA, JG] CAN

DO it privately and not use any other forum and also the said forums must allow

these voices unrestricted mail passage to prevent this happeing in other

forums-PL SPARE US

 

till today i gave all unmoderated messages disturbed ppl 2 chances each

today i said in future no one will be allowed a chance to even reply

if unmoderated messges come on any BABYSE PL let me know will delete the same-

no firther time for any side will be given

 

I tried my best to be as democratic as the founder's spirit was, but this is

been given a -ve color by vested interests who do have issues with many others

so at leat I will not allow this to be their platform no one will be given a

chance to reply to them

 

 

pl remember what i said above is not a reason to allow the mails that came it

came unmoderated

and did every bit after that the 2nd mail came only with Bhaskar jis own desire

not my side

 

i stand by what i said i will not allow anyone who has [also

differences/grivances with bhaskar] to use me or this august forum here after it

 

I will be v strict let me know i wll delete such abusive mails, i will not give

anyone a chance to reply to them no discussions or time to respond to them.

 

 

 

Prashant

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

neelam gupta <neelamgupta106

 

Saturday, July 25, 2009 7:22:36 PM

Re: Re: astro explorer, sbm_sharma, vkkholi Msg 62563

 

 

Dear Prashant ji,

 

I am writing this as a moderator in AIA and

JG, and a member of your group. I had been a little busy since morning and now

surprised

to see a spate of such controversial and threatening mails in the group. It is

not only about AIA and JG, it also about JR, its owners, astrologers and

members and the astro-fraternity.

 

As a moderator, it should be your duty to

stop such derogatory messages and protect everyone from this vicious attack.

Even

if this member was un-moderated, as you say, his second abusive message

appeared after 7-8 hours of the first one. You had plenty of time to take

action. In case of emergency, a curfew is imposed, even if it means not allowing

anyone to pass through. I am sure your members are wise enough to understand,

if you’d taken that action. And there are many others who have been posting

indiscriminately on the list.

 

Such spiteful and malicious mails for respected

members and astrologers on various fora, the temples, where thousands seek

predictions everyday! And you’ve been watching and waiting to take action?

 

If this person sbm_sharma was squeezed of

the last penny by a moderator of JG, WHY did he write a mail on my pvt ID

asking for readings and insisting on paying just a day before this episode. I

refused because I am not a professional astrologer. What was he trying to prove?

He said he would like to pay in

advance? Please find below, a copy of the exchange, for the members to

see the games such people can play.

 

I think it is a duty of moderators to take

preventive actions and not run after the damage is done! And I do hope you'll

approve this message without delay so that everyone can be warned of such menace

threatening astrologers! Anybody walking in and uttering absurdities here, be it

for another site/forum/astrolge r is disgusting. I hope there is ONE

astro-fraternity, though we may have different modes and methods of operation.

 

X-posted

 

//////////// ///////// /////

 

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>

2009/7/24

Re: Paid Consultation

Sham

Sharma <sbm_sharma >

 

I do not accept any dakshina or money for my readings. you may post your

details and if I will try to see as and when I find time.

 

Regards

Neelam

2009/7/22 Sham Sharma <sbm_sharma >

 

Namaste Neelamji,

 

You have an excellent memory! My cousin was doing fine till a few weeks ago

when he came out of remission. He is in Vellorehospital

and a donor may have been found. Thank you for asking.

The questions I have pertain only to me. As I would like a detailed analysis I

insist on giving some type of dakshina in advance.

Regards,

Sham

 

neelam gupta wrote:

> Sharma ji, I am not a commercial astrologer and I do not charge for

consultations. If I am not mistaken, you had put up a chart where native was

suffering form Cancer. We've not heard from you since then. Any feedback on

that?

> Is there any other issue now?

Regards

Neelam

 

2009/7/22 sbm_sharma < sbm_sharma >

> Dear Neelam Ji,

> Do you provide paid consultations? I can remit payment in advance via

paypal or western union. Please let me know.

> Regards,

> Sham Sharma

> NY, USA

 

//////////// ///////// ///////// //

 

Thanks and Regards

Neelam

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Prashant ji,

 

It is a bit strange

that you should abide by such a request, especially when it is not in the

interest

of the group, and from a person you obviously do not like.

 

Anyway, let bygones be

bygones. I think the matter should be resolved once and for all. None of you

must

post anything personal against each other in any public domain. These forums are

for astrology and let astrology prevail. Personal differences, if any, may be

taken to private domains. This is the only way to fight against divisive and

disruptive forces attacking astro-fora from time to time. I am sure all

moderators of AIA and JG will read this message and agree with me.

 

It is my humble request

to YOU and Bhaskar ji to bury the past and allow us to gain from your experience

and immense

knowledge. I am confident that both of you will take it in a positive

spirit and freely share different platforms for Jyotish only. :-)

 

I pray for peace and jyotish!

 

 

Thanks and Regards

Neelam

 

 

 

________________________________

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

 

Saturday, 25 July, 2009 9:43:50 PM

Re: Re: astro explorer, sbm_sharma, vkkholi Msg 62563

 

 

Neelam ji

 

u must get ur facts right first from the owner of JG

 

at his explict request only the 2nd mail was sent and that has been detailed

clearly in the group so blame him not me

 

first mail is unmoderated one which u all accept so what is the issue now?

 

pl come out and look at the issue dispassionately I did my best to remedy the

situation i spoke to bhaskar ji and decided my response also spoke to other

seniors also after it came only

 

I WANT TO KNOW DO ALL OF U READ EVERY MESSAGE IN THE GROUPS U MODERATE

 

I KNOW BY FACT - IT IS A LOUD NO

 

when I was repeatedly abused in AIA BY bhaskar ji none of u stepped in did u?

[so many moderators there]]

 

on the dusthana thread he gives my case as a example with no birth data,

astrological explaination one bit

 

if one has to learn to cheat, exploit ppl one must learn from PGB... CEO OF

JR... it is same does he have proof of it?

 

i was not even given a chance to defened my self i have given him the same.

 

fairness is equidistant, but I have done far more. what I miss I have asked not

got I have given what is normal in a democratic worlld

 

I PRACTICE WHAT I PREACH and WHAT OUR OWNER Tanvir ji has PREACHED AND LIVED

UP TO

 

I HAD TO ALLOW THIS AS EVEN HE WAS A SUBJECT OF ATTACK UNFAIRLY here

whenever he was attacked in other groups also I have defended him, [ i do with

Sri PV Narshima rao ji also]

 

HENCE MY NEXT PART OF THE MAIL BELOW

 

*****

 

Well I understand the situation and already have taken enough measures one y'day

and another today.

 

in the 1st i said ppl with an AXE2GRIND with members or group of AIA, JG] CAN

DO it privately and not use any other forum and also the said forums must allow

these voices unrestricted mail passage to prevent this happeing in other

forums-PL SPARE US

 

till today i gave all unmoderated messages disturbed ppl 2 chances each

today i said in future no one will be allowed a chance to even reply

if unmoderated messges come on any BABYSE PL let me know will delete the same-

no firther time for any side will be given

 

I tried my best to be as democratic as the founder's spirit was, but this is

been given a -ve color by vested interests who do have issues with many others

so at leat I will not allow this to be their platform no one will be given a

chance to reply to them

 

pl remember what i said above is not a reason to allow the mails that came it

came unmoderated

and did every bit after that the 2nd mail came only with Bhaskar jis own desire

not my side

 

i stand by what i said i will not allow anyone who has [also differences/

grivances with bhaskar] to use me or this august forum here after it

 

I will be v strict let me know i wll delete such abusive mails, i will not give

anyone a chance to reply to them no discussions or time to respond to them.

 

Prashant

 

____________ _________ _________ __

neelam gupta <neelamgupta106@ >

 

Saturday, July 25, 2009 7:22:36 PM

Re: Re: astro explorer, sbm_sharma, vkkholi Msg 62563

 

Dear Prashant ji,

 

I am writing this as a moderator in AIA and

JG, and a member of your group. I had been a little busy since morning and now

surprised

to see a spate of such controversial and threatening mails in the group. It is

not only about AIA and JG, it also about JR, its owners, astrologers and

members and the astro-fraternity.

 

As a moderator, it should be your duty to

stop such derogatory messages and protect everyone from this vicious attack.

Even

if this member was un-moderated, as you say, his second abusive message

appeared after 7-8 hours of the first one. You had plenty of time to take

action. In case of emergency, a curfew is imposed, even if it means not allowing

anyone to pass through. I am sure your members are wise enough to understand,

if you’d taken that action.. And there are many others who have been posting

indiscriminately on the list.

 

Such spiteful and malicious mails for respected

members and astrologers on various fora, the temples, where thousands seek

predictions everyday! And you’ve been watching and waiting to take action?

 

If this person sbm_sharma was squeezed of

the last penny by a moderator of JG, WHY did he write a mail on my pvt ID

asking for readings and insisting on paying just a day before this episode. I

refused because I am not a professional astrologer. What was he trying to prove?

He said he would like to pay in

advance? Please find below, a copy of the exchange, for the members to

see the games such people can play.

 

I think it is a duty of moderators to take

preventive actions and not run after the damage is done! And I do hope you'll

approve this message without delay so that everyone can be warned of such menace

threatening astrologers! Anybody walking in and uttering absurdities here, be it

for another site/forum/astrolge r is disgusting. I hope there is ONE

astro-fraternity, though we may have different modes and methods of operation.

 

X-posted

 

//////////// ///////// /////

 

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>

2009/7/24

Re: Paid Consultation

Sham

Sharma <sbm_sharma>

 

I do not accept any dakshina or money for my readings. you may post your

details and if I will try to see as and when I find time.

 

Regards

Neelam

2009/7/22 Sham Sharma <sbm_sharma>

 

Namaste Neelamji,

 

You have an excellent memory! My cousin was doing fine till a few weeks ago

when he came out of remission. He is in Vellorehospital

and a donor may have been found. Thank you for asking.

The questions I have pertain only to me. As I would like a detailed analysis I

insist on giving some type of dakshina in advance.

Regards,

Sham

 

neelam gupta wrote:

> Sharma ji, I am not a commercial astrologer and I do not charge for

consultations. If I am not mistaken, you had put up a chart where native was

suffering form Cancer. We've not heard from you since then. Any feedback on

that?

> Is there any other issue now?

Regards

Neelam

 

2009/7/22 sbm_sharma < sbm_sharma >

> Dear Neelam Ji,

> Do you provide paid consultations? I can remit payment in advance via

paypal or western union. Please let me know.

> Regards,

> Sham Sharma

> NY, USA

 

//////////// ///////// ///////// //

 

Thanks and Regards

Neelam