Gemstones, Rudraksha, Yagya, Mantra, -Discipline, order

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Dear Krishna ji,

 

thanks for the support and understanding the complexities of the role of a

moderator

 

it is always easy to be dictatorial like other forums and ban such trouble

makers, I have given every one a v v long rope, and has yeiled no change of

heart by them who have their own groups to keep them ahead of other successful

ones r destroying peace by stage managed mock abuses between themselves it is

the 4time i feel the X-POSTED ISSUES R MORE SELF GENERATED ONES THAN REAL ppl

else why will they not appear and say what they have to say when they also

hurled abuses on the owner here also

 

probably to paint me as weak and in capable of defending our owner tanvir ji

well at every stage I have complimented his free spirit and hence gave a long

rope to the erring members

 

I HAVE TAKE A FEW STRONG STEPS MORE TO COME SOON, WORKING ON THEM

 

as long as we have the valued support of members like u, rr ji, pt arjun ji,

harry ji, mrityunjaya tripathi ji, rafel g, suresh babu g, a v pathi ji, gopu,

k, nikit, anup m, gaurav ghosh. v k sharma, arora and a few more

 

we can show new newer heights soon

at no stage i claim credit fo r the numbers it is ur contribution, and members

patronage with the freedoom, knowledge sharing given to us by the founder woner,

tanvir ji we can surely move on.

 

BEST WISHES

 

PRASHANT

 

 

 

 

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vattem krishnan <bursar_99

 

Sunday, July 26, 2009 8:26:37 PM

Re: Gemstones, Rudraksha, Yagya, Mantra, Oh My!

 

 

Friends,

need for saving our energies on issues of concern and to toil to enhance image

of this group.Let the membership grown by reason and logic.The value needs to be

enhnced throuh a collective approach and leave all other issues that is of least

interest to group in general.

Prashnt Ji,keeps his views very clear and also time aand emphsise the need for

discipline in the group.personal attacka and abuses will not serve any cause and

i do not think majority of members would like to spend time in reading these

message

Service is our concern and let us be concerned with this very devotedly to help

the cause and objectives of he group.

Pandit Ji is right in his advice.If something unwanted is cited/mentioned.

moderation need not be taken in negative manner.In the internet media.it is

necessary moderator has to show his concern leat the image of the group is put

at satke

vrkrishnan

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Fri, 7/24/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote:

 

panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ >

Re: Gemstones, Rudraksha, Yagya, Mantra, Oh My!

 

Friday, July 24, 2009, 11:27 PM

 

 

 

dear RRji

 

you stand tallest in contributions in this group consistently for the past

several years and surely we are all with you in doing our bit of service to this

exhibition of jyotisha.

 

once i told prashantji that internet is like maya and we dont know who is the

real owner of an id. hence it is better not to take names and accept that we

have to live with this maya. a rich person having lot of wealth to burn will

open multiple accounts and find ways to dilute and spend. similarly a person who

has all the time and energy in the world would open multiple ids and write

various things. hence as a first step, we shall accept all these realities of

mayajaal (internet) thanks to rahu and agree to live with them. then we dont

find any problem with such multiple id posters.

 

secondly, we all shall exhibit tolerance and respect to the liberty and freedom

of any member for expressing anything in the beginning if it is in a civilised

language. then we shall disengage from such posts which are of no use either to

astrologers or to querents.

 

last but most important in my view is what you expressed precisely that if good

contributers like you, krishnanji, prashantji and others keep on writing more

and contributing more, naturally the negative objectionable mails get obfuscated

and ignored.

 

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

www.rudraksharemedy .com

 

, " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Arjun-ji,

>

> While I agree with your recommendation, unfortunately, such are these harsh

times -- such editings would be readily misinterpreted as " manipulation " and

attempts on part of the moderator to control!

>

> What we need here is for well-meaning members like you and I and others who

really think this forum is important and worthy of coming back to and support --

to come back and not advise Tanvir or Prashanth ji but to take on the unofficial

advisor role! I have tried to do that at times and was attacked by being called

as " trying to act as moderator! " .

>

> We need more ENGAGED members as opposed to DISENGAGED advisors!

>

> And if the former are figments of my imagination, then perhaps that view must

be openly and bravely stated so -- so that we can all know who stands where in

this Mayavini reality!

>

> Please help if/when you can ...

>

>

> Respectfully and affectionately submitted,

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

>

>

>

> , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004@

> wrote:

> >

> > dear prashantji

> >

> > whenever such flow of critical or challenging mails come, kindly edit and

delete direct personal attacking languages and let only the gist of

non-objectionable language.

> >

> > for example, the first para of this messageis fine but you should have

deleted the second and third paras which are objectionable.

> >

> > no message or sentence shall be allowed which criticises a person on

geographical or religious grounds as the third para denotes.

> >

> > please send a polite message to such objectionable language writing members

to convey whatever they wish to in a non-objectionable language and you approve

the same.

> >

> > the bottomline i wish to convey is that we shall not let a member err and

approve it to show that he is erring and then take action against him. no, we

shall edit, correct, advise and let the members contribute in a positive manner

and get the best out of such members in a friendly manner. hope you take this in

right spirit.

> >

> > with best wishes and blessings

> > pandit arjun

> >

> >

> > , " sbm_sharma " <sbm_sharma@ >

wrote:

> > >

> > > You want the truth Bhaskar , why don't we meet at my good friend, Milind

Deora's house. We were very close schoolmates in college in the USA,

Massachusetts to be more precise. You live in Bombay no?

> > >

> > > You third rate servant.

> > >

> > > Yes Prashant, protect some Bangladeshi kid offering yagya services for

exorbitant prices.

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar " <rajiventerprises@ >

wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dont call Jyotish Ganga people cowards.tell me which Moderator tried to

squeeze money from you ?

> > > > Dont talk in the air.

> > > >

> > > > Peeth peeche " cowards " nahin bolte kisi ko. Joh bolte hain woh hinjde

> > > > hote hain.

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > Mr. Prashant GB- Dear Moderator, this member is accusing my Group as

> > > > well as the Owner of the Group you are moderating. We want the truth.

> > > > Let him come out with the truth.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " sbm_sharma " <sbm_sharma@ >

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > I have even seen a member of the " professional " astrologers list on

> > > > this ask a question about the intricacies of Pushkaramsa to

> > > > one of our very esteemed group members. Why couldn't he find the answer

> > > > here?

> > > > >

> > > > > But I will credit you for posting my messages, the cowards on Ancient

> > > > Indian Astrology and Jyotish_Ganga will not post my questions. Their

> > > > astrologers are almost as inept as the one's found here. One of the

> > > > jyotish_ganga moderators tried to squeeze every last penny out of me

> > > > when I asked him for a consultation. Needless to say, the consultation

> > > > was rubbish.

> > > > >

> > > > > BTW: Many are conducted simplified Ganesha homas in their homes and

> > > > experiencing fantastic results. But I suppose you will not be in favor

> > > > of this as your board owner wants to charge a minimum of 600 USD for a

> > > > yagya!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Now please answer my question about the very expensive yagya " remedy "

> > > > that your board owner, a boy from Bangladesh, is promoting.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B

gbp_kumar@

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Member,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > u have no idea of the subject or the group so making all u want to

> > > > say

> > > > > >

> > > > > > who is qualifiedin the membership here to conduct Yagnas here, I

> > > > doubt any i remember Pt R dakshinamurthy ji used to in vedic astrology

> > > > forum before he left 2 yrs ago now no group ha s such members, pl let me

> > > > know any esp inJR as u falsely accuse

> > > > > >

> > > > > > we have max said

> > > > > >

> > > > > > pray to such a such deity, graha [devatha] and this they can choose

> > > > from available prayers inthe net or public, published domain itself

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and gemstones unless members have asked we have never suggested

> > > > > >

> > > > > > except one or two members noone has any tie up with a gem stones

> > > > merchant

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2 were doing ione quit yrs ago other a yr ago is absent

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and we know pearls are a rare phenomina and what u get are artifical

> > > > and cultured ones even a donkey will tell u this

> > > > > > if it can speak

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and we know no one can really afford gems so we rarely suggested

> > > > such to anyone

> > > > > > UNLESS ON REQUEST SEE THE ARCHIVES

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > get ur facts right and talk, else find other places for ur rubbish

> > > > we r merely discussing, debating and answering genuine interests,

> > > > concerns of members here. shaping future generation astrologers also in

> > > > the process.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Prashant

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > " astro_explorer@ " astro_explorer@

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Friday, July 24, 2009 1:00:23 AM

> > > > > > Re: Gemstones, Rudraksha, Yagya, Mantra, Oh My!

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You have no validity in your arguments. This jyotish remedies group

> > > > is a link for mass-marketed yagya sold at very expensive prices to some

> > > > very desperate people! Are you telling me that these actually work? Why

> > > > should I believe anything else you say? What I have written is 100%

> > > > correct. You must learn to read more carefully.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As I mentioned, gems and rudrakasha will likely work best if they

> > > > are energized but if you think they will not work at all if they are not

> > > > energized then you are very mistaken. I have spoken extensively about

> > > > quality. Size is a very controversial issue. Please READ the WHOLE

> > > > article. I have spoken extensively about how most jewelers in India are

> > > > selling " junk " stones and what flaws to look out for. Do you even know

> > > > the difference between a tissue nucleated pearl and a natural pearl? Do

> > > > you know that even after x-ray analysis, roughly 10 percent of all

> > > > examined Pearls, (examined by experienced gemologists) still cannot be

> > > > properly identified? Have you told anybody you suggested a pearl to to

> > > > demand an X-ray analysis to see if it is natural?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > How many people on this board can afford a real jyotish quality ruby

> > > > or emerald? I can count on 1 hand probably. But how many think they are

> > > > wearing the genuine article? Probably many, many more.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Its not mudslinging to expose fraudulent practices now is it?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > > > <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Member,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > just by branding everyone with a single stroke of a brush and a

> > > > single color will make some exclusively holy!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > have u seen astrologers in most groups prescribe stones on their

> > > > own or when ppl ask them?

> > > > > > > same too in professional face to face sittings not all r what u

> > > > paint them just some do, those who feel they can earn a quick name as

> > > > some people like the WHITE PILL

> > > > > > > there was a simple test conducted by some US drugs R & D where ppl

> > > > were admininsered a simple white drug with no medicinal elements in it

> > > > many people with whatever complaints they had taken it felt relieved.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > only thse can be gullible even to bad doctors, lawyers, etc.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I can show u in the forum here members like RRji, vattem krishna

> > > > ji, myself, rafel G, Mrityunjaya tripathi ji, anum ji, Nikit ji, pt

> > > > arjun ji harry ji etc HAVE NEVER SUGGESTED GEMSTONES unless asked by

> > > > members

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > in most cases we do say PRAYERS R THE BEST FORM OF PALLATIVES OR

> > > > REMEDIES as u r part of the remedy, and any thing one has to cleanse one

> > > > has to do their part

> > > > > > > gemstones also work if one can afford or ha no time for prayers

> > > > > > > also u need some experts views on the quality, size, purification,

> > > > energisation merely wearing it like a ornament will not help either even

> > > > if u follow half truth like touching the skin with a open setting on the

> > > > back with no purification, energisation with mantras it has no value

> > > > same goes with Yantras, Rudrakshas etc.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > merely promoting ur group as holier by branding and mud slinging

> > > > won't take u too far./

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > walk with the rest of us abe seen reading good cases here why must

> > > > we come somewhee else noone has stopped u from airing ur views here if u

> > > > r doing here surely ppl will come to ur place and see what u have to

> > > > offer.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best wishes

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > " astro_explorer@ ... " <astro_explorer@ ...>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thursday, July 23, 2009 7:01:34 PM

> > > > > > > Gemstones, Rudraksha, Yagya, Mantra, Oh My!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://health. groups.. com revati_energetic

> > > > s_true_vedic_ astrology/

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > All kidding aside, let me try to briefly but concisely address the

> > > > huge body of knowledge concerning astrological remedies. Think of this

> > > > message as a " Consumer's Guide " to astrological remedies. Make no

> > > > mistake - there are many people out there who are only eager to take

> > > > your hard earned money and give nothing but heartache in return-some of

> > > > them are very well known. These charlatans prey upon people's

> > > > desperation and ignorance. Some of these frauds even comprise the

> > > > founding membership of a fancy sounding, so-called watch-dog

> > > > organization called the Planetary Gemologists Association. Or they might

> > > > be found running massive " specializing " in jyotish

> > > > remedies.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > First and foremost please keep in mind that the guiding principle

> > > > for prescribing any type of remedy is that it must be as Sattvic as

> > > > possible. The farther one strays from this principle the more one has to

> > > > become educated about possible negative repercussions. As you will see

> > > > later I believe that a prasiddha mantra is the most Sattvic and most

> > > > suitable of all remedies. Secondly, one must have faith in remedies, it

> > > > does not have to be an undying absolutely resolute faith but it is

> > > > doubtful that one who does not believe at least somewhat will get any

> > > > substantial results. Lastly, please understand that many times much of

> > > > our most difficult karma is fixed and quite difficult to completely

> > > > remedy.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Let me address each major category of remedy one section at a

> > > > time. Let's first start with gemstones as these seem to be everybody's

> > > > favorite. It bears mentioning that there are many schools of thought

> > > > regarding remedies, particularly when it comes to gemstones. The rules

> > > > for gemstone prescription given herein are quite conservative; I fully

> > > > realize some exceptions can be made if one's constellations indicate so.

> > > > In addition, if we really examine most people's charts, we soon realize

> > > > that its not really our moderately favorable planets that need to be

> > > > strengthened but rather our most troublesome planets which need to be

> > > > pacified (Certainly you can do both!)- pacification of troublesome

> > > > planets cannot be accomplished with gemstones (Though a benefic planet

> > > > casting a favorable aspect on a troubled planet might be strengthened

> > > > with a gemstone- as long as certain other conditions apply). For

> > > > instance, take Pisces lagna. Jupiter is lord of 1st and 10th of

> > > > > > > course, so it is especially important to the native, as it is

> > > > lagna lord and also ruling the house of career. What if we find Jupiter

> > > > debilitated in Capricorn and aspected by two first class malefics? Will

> > > > a yellow sapphire help in this situation? No, no it won't. Not according

> > > > to my knowledge at least. A yellow sapphire in this situation could

> > > > really make things worse! Though perhaps if Moon (Lord of trine- 5th

> > > > house) casts an aspect on Ju and was favorably placed in the chart a

> > > > pearl could then be used to indirectly aid Jupiter. My point in saying

> > > > all this is that gems are seldom the remedy we think we need.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > *****

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Although gemstone usage is not indicated as a remedy in the BPHS,

> > > > other texts such as the Garuda purana speak of their power quite

> > > > exhaustively, the Agni purana too but to a much lesser extent. The

> > > > legendary astrologer, Varahahimira, extensively treats the " mystical "

> > > > power of gems in his magnificent astrological treatise, the Brihat

> > > > Samhita. Harihara, in his monumental work, Prasna Marga, offers explicit

> > > > advice on imbibing procedures that can be used for gems. Selecting and

> > > > wearing gemstones, jyotish quality gemstone that is, is an expensive and

> > > > often confusing proposition. Ask 5 different astrologers for a gemstone

> > > > recommendation and you may very well end up with 5 different

> > > > suggestions.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > To get straight to the point, gems should only be worn for

> > > > functional benefics, meaning, trinal rulers. Complications arise when

> > > > the graha (Unless it is Lagnesh) in question rules both a trine and a

> > > > dusthana, if this is the case we must look at whether the dusthana is

> > > > the mooltrikona sign of the graha in question; if it is, it may be wise

> > > > to pass on wearing the stone. Many may disagree with my position but I

> > > > am trying to be as safe as possible here. Also, I personally would not

> > > > advise anybody to wear a gem of an inherent malefic (Unless perhaps it

> > > > is lagnesh) but rather, to wear the gem of a moderately well placed

> > > > inherent AND functional benefic (trinal ruler). Remember, safety first-

> > > > we do not want to take any chances with stones of inherent malefics

> > > > (Unless perhaps lagnesh), especially because you will be likely spending

> > > > quite a bit of money and you want to get it right the first time! Now,

> > > > what do I mean by moderately well placed? It means that the

> > > > > > > graha whose gemstone you will be donning in the hope of bettering

> > > > your life should be placed in trine or kendra AND in at least a neutral

> > > > sign. If the graha in question is very well placed I see no point in

> > > > wearing its stone, as it is already strong. Remember, more is not always

> > > > better! Some astrologers may look at the planet's position in D-9 and

> > > > other divisional charts as well, not to mention a chalita chart. Just

> > > > remember, stones indiscriminately amplify the energies that a given

> > > > planet is emanating in your chart. They do not turn bad guys into good

> > > > guys but they can make good guys into better guys.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now there is a theory that even a badly placed lagna lord's stone

> > > > can be worn, as it is said that lagnesh always works for the best. I

> > > > think this view has substantial merit. For those of you who are really

> > > > interested in all this gemstone business, there are Nadi texts (See the

> > > > Shukra Nadi in particular) which have their own specific suggestions for

> > > > stone usage depending on one's planetary configurations!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As most people are wearing stones for material upliftment it may

> > > > be helpful to look at the planet's position from arudha lagna and/or

> > > > Rajya Pada- this is a more controversial statement as a precious few

> > > > very fine astrologers I know of do not take a planet's position from AL

> > > > as an important consideration, though only insofar as gemstone

> > > > prescription is concerned. At the risk of driving you crazy by

> > > > introducing yet another theory, some astrologers say not to wear the

> > > > stone of the atma karaka- though I don't really see the validity of this

> > > > rule. Here are two points that you can take very seriously. One must

> > > > never wear the stone of a planet that is inherently inimical to lagnesh.

> > > > In addition, one must never simultaneously wear two inimical stones.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As an aside, I've not seen anyone really discuss the timing or

> > > > rather the dynamic use of gemstones. I am very curious to see how

> > > > ashtakavarga analysis and dasha/gochara analysis comes into play. Say

> > > > you have Pisces lagna, Jupiter is an unabashed inherent and functional

> > > > benefic for this lagna. Say Ju is moderately well placed and not

> > > > possessing extremely high shad-bala but according to ashtakavarga

> > > > Jupiter gives a very low BAV score in XYZ house and is currently

> > > > transiting XYZ house. Might it be wise then to shelve the gem at this

> > > > juncture? I don't know. But the question is highly interesting.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now we come to how to select and wear the stone itself. Many

> > > > questions abound in this area with mostly no real definitive answers.

> > > > Among a few of the most oft repeated queries: Should the stone be

> > > > natural or can it be treated? Does it have to touch the skin? What are

> > > > the clarity and size requirements? What hand should I wear it on? Which

> > > > finger should I put it on?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Let's start with the natural vs. treated issue. To be on the safe

> > > > side I highly suggest getting an all natural, non-heated stone. Each

> > > > stone has treatments that are specific to it. For instance; red coral

> > > > could by dyed, a yellow sapphire could be heated, an emerald could be

> > > > filled with oil...etc... Don't let your gem dealer talk you into getting

> > > > a treated stone, insist on getting certification from a reputable

> > > > laboratory (GIA for diamonds and AGL for colored stones- there are other

> > > > reputable labs) that the stone in question has not been treated in any

> > > > way- this is important as most jewelers in India essentially sell junk

> > > > stones. A jyotish quality yellow sapphire can go from anywhere from 500

> > > > to 1000 USD per carat. How much did you pay for you yellow sapphire?

> > > > I've seen some yellow sapphires sell for 100 to 200 USD. If you buy

> > > > these you are essentially buying yellow colored glass- its pure junk

> > > > that will not do anything for you. The pearl may be an

> > > > > > > exception to the " all-natural " rule. Real, round, completely

> > > > natural, white pearls are simply unavailable unless you are willing to

> > > > spend thousands of dollars. If you must, try going for a tissue

> > > > -nucleated South Sea pearl, as big and white and round as possible- I

> > > > cannot guarantee that these will work for you though!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now let's discuss clarity and size. In my mind the answer to this

> > > > question is cut and dried. Always pick clarity over size if you must

> > > > pick one over the other. You, must, must get an eye-clean gem at the

> > > > least. Eye clean means there are no visible " defects " in the gem that

> > > > can be seen without the aid of magnification. The following is NOT an

> > > > exhaustive list of common flaws found in particular gemstones: no black

> > > > specks in yellow sapphires, no dents in pearls, no specks in diamonds,

> > > > no white specks or hairline cracks on the backside of red corals (Most

> > > > Red Corals come in a cabochon cut- you must inspect the backside as many

> > > > defects are usually present here). They say that it is virtually

> > > > impossible to get a suitable eye clean emerald these days (without fine

> > > > hairline fractures) - my answer to this is quite simple- if you can't

> > > > find one then don't get one. We cannot bend the rules and allow for

> > > > exceptions just because mother nature does not gift us with

> > > > > > > the same treasures she gave in abundance when the ancient texts

> > > > dealing with gems were written. I know what you are thinking. Why did he

> > > > say what he said about the Pearl ? Isn't an artificially nucleated pearl

> > > > bending the rules? Yes, it probably is...so maybe you shouldn't get that

> > > > either. Are you beginning to see a pattern here? I'm not really fond of

> > > > gems as remedial measures; there are simply too many qualifications to

> > > > consider.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I just don't know how big a particular stone must be for it to

> > > > become effective or whether this even matters at all. Some tantric

> > > > authors like Harish Johari spell out very specific size requirements and

> > > > prohibitions. I can't really say if this is valid. My instinct tells me

> > > > that one should get something reasonably large, say a yellow sapphire

> > > > that is 2 carats or more-obviously this can't be done with diamonds or

> > > > rubies unless you are mega-rich. In which case I must ask, what do you

> > > > need a stone for any way?! I estimate that a jyotish quality Ruby may

> > > > exceed 10,000 USD in cost! Yes, you read that right. Before you are

> > > > completely overcome with disappointment at thought of not being able to

> > > > afford a stone you should know that many astrological gem dealers also

> > > > offer much less expensive alternate stones. Having never used them, I

> > > > cannot comment on their efficacy. I suppose if you can acquire one for a

> > > > modest price it might be worth trying. In fact,

> > > > > > > Varahamihira does mention some of the alternates in his Brihat

> > > > Samhita.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I'll quickly go over some other considerations. The best bet is to

> > > > wear the stone on the right hand, ring finger. Pendants should be fine

> > > > too. Of course there is the concept of Ratna- Arpana which involves

> > > > donating a stone in order to reap it benefits, clearly in this case the

> > > > stone never touches the body at all! To be on the safe side have the

> > > > stone set so it touches the skin- though it will probably work fine even

> > > > if its somewhere really close but not touching your skin. When you are

> > > > ready to put the stone on for the first time do it on the day of the

> > > > graha who rules the stone, do it in the hora of that graha as well, so

> > > > early morning. Though do soak the stone in milk overnight first. You may

> > > > even wish to recite the graha or devata mantra for the stone in question

> > > > each week on the appropriate day and hour. There is one last crucial

> > > > consideration I have left out and this involves testing the stone before

> > > > purchasing it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You must, must test the stone for a week or so before purchasing

> > > > it. If your jeweler refuses then you need to find another more

> > > > accommodating jeweler. Speaking of jewelers...don' t ever let a jeweler

> > > > give you a gem recommendation, the conflict of interest is simply too

> > > > high. Back to the topic at hand, carefully tape the stone to your hand

> > > > or tuck it under your pillow and " test-drive " it. Bad thoughts,

> > > > feelings, dreams and events apart from the every-day bad stuff we think

> > > > about and experience would instantly lead me to discard the stone- don't

> > > > throw it away, send it back to your jeweler Do NOT ignore a negative

> > > > Nimmita (Omen)! Ok, I've said a mouthful, lets move on to other commonly

> > > > prescribed remedial measures.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > *****

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Moving on to rudraksha beads. These fascinating beads are actually

> > > > the dried seeds of the rudraksha berry. There is much Puranic lore

> > > > available on the subject of rudraksha beads. However, one thing not seen

> > > > in Puranic literature is the mapping of various rudraksha beads to

> > > > different planets; this seems a marketing gimmick concocted by con

> > > > artists of yesteryear and continuously perpetuated by con artists ever

> > > > since. Most Indians know that the rudraksha bead is associated with Lord

> > > > Shiva. The Padma purana says that the 5 Mukhi rudraksha is suitable for

> > > > all to wear. So if you want to wear a 5 Mukhi then you can likely do so.

> > > > Legitimate 5 mukhi rudraksha beads are easy to find and very

> > > > inexpensive- though my guess is that you will need to sincerely practice

> > > > Shiva mantras on a consistent basis to empower them. Nepalese rudraksha

> > > > beads are priced higher than the Java variety. Don't ask me which is

> > > > better. I have only experimented with the Nepalese variety.

> > > > > > > Some people say that all rudraksha beads are user-friendly; in my

> > > > personal experience this statement does not at all hold water. There is

> > > > a very famous member of the Planetary Gemologist association who touts

> > > > the 14 Mukhi rudraksha bead as the be-all and end-all of remedies, as

> > > > you might guess by now; one size does not fit all, especially the very

> > > > expensive 14 Mukhi. It is my belief that rudraksha beads are primarily

> > > > tools to be used to aid in meditation; indeed I have experienced their

> > > > tranquilizing effects first-hand. But as a remedy for the material world

> > > > I do not think these are very appropriate. So don't fall for the tall

> > > > claims made by the various too numerous to count rudraksha bead

> > > > hypsters. There is a very well known seller of rudraksha beads on the

> > > > internet- they market the beads as if they are some kind of talisman

> > > > that can be used to gain advantage is any type of situation. They sell

> > > > custom malas for attracting the opposite sex, for

> > > > > > winning

> > > > > > > in litigation, for enhancing your business prospects... well the

> > > > list goes on and on. Oh yes, and they also sell 200 dollar " jyotish

> > > > quality " gemstones. Caveat emptor. Well, I think I've said all I wanted

> > > > to say about rudraksha beads.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > *****

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If something can be sold, people will figure out how sell it.

> > > > Nothing is sacred, perhaps nothing ever was, not in this yuga at least.

> > > > Dear reader, have you noticed the proliferation of dubious yagya

> > > > promoters on the world wide web? Crudely put, yagya or yajna is

> > > > essentially a Vedic fire ritual, performed by priests on your behalf, in

> > > > order to attain certain goals which are essentially stated in the

> > > > sankalpa (An opening statement if you will). A (with many,

> > > > many members), that " specializes' in jyotish remedies, which I alluded

> > > > to in my introductory paragraph, sells all varieties of yagya for the

> > > > not so small price of 600 USD and up. That's not a small amount of money

> > > > for most Westerners and is a staggering sum for your typical Indian. A

> > > > yagya should be performed by the pious and pure, and by those who

> > > > thoroughly know the strict procedures! Individuals like these are rare-

> > > > they mostly belonged to another Yuga. Furthermore, a yagya should

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > be arranged by the ravenously money minded charging exorbitant

> > > > sums. Far better to learn how to do a simple yagya or homa in the

> > > > sanctity of one's home - this is how real progress can be made. Not by

> > > > paying off a money-minded mercenary to pay God knows who, if anyone at

> > > > all, to chant away your sins. It would be totally logical and expected

> > > > at this point to inquire into the difference between buying a gem from a

> > > > money-minded jeweler versus arranging a yagya via a money-minded

> > > > intermediary and a just as money-minded priest! I think the main issue

> > > > here is that a gem is an object that it will do its job no matter the

> > > > character of the person who sells it to you (assuming it is prescribed

> > > > correctly and is of jyotish quality) whereas a yagya heavily depends on

> > > > the individual psyche of the one who performs it. In the same way a

> > > > judge will not listen to the statements of a mentally deranged attorney

> > > > it is doubtful that whatever forces are being called upon in

> > > > > > > a yagya will listen to a corrupted priest (and believe me, there

> > > > are many). Please do not waste your time or money on these yagya

> > > > services. Much better to learn how to perform them in a simple manner by

> > > > yourself, sincerely and on a consistent basis.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > *****

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > To conclude, I will ever so briefly tackle the vast and

> > > > complicated subject known as mantra shastra. Mantras can be used for

> > > > both material and spiritual benefits. Often, a mantra will make an

> > > > impact on both a material and spiritual level- this is a great thing!

> > > > When practicing mantra, three items are critical: devotion,

> > > > pronunciation and consistency. A good 108 bead rudraksha mala or tulsi

> > > > mala would be VERY nice as well. A few repetitions here or there won't

> > > > do the trick- stick with one mantra and practice for an hour or two

> > > > everyday, or at least 30 to 40 minutes- for as long as it takes. Don't

> > > > go by this 40 day rule nonsense; while I am certainly sure that more

> > > > than a few people have experienced amazing things from the outset of

> > > > their practice this is more the exception than the rule. Think about

> > > > anything you have done in life that was worth achieving, did the results

> > > > come quickly or easily? I bet the answer is no. Anything worth achieving

> > > > takes

> > > > > > time

> > > > > > > to fructify, there are no short-cuts.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Choose a prasiddha mantra which is safe to recite like " Om Namo

> > > > Narayanaya " , " Om Namah Shivaya " , or simply " Namah Shivaya " , these do

> > > > not require initiation and as stated, are safe. The Gayatri mantra is

> > > > also prasiddha but I believe is better recited after receiving

> > > > initiation from a competent guru. Vedic mantras like the Gayatri really

> > > > require good pronunciation. If you really want to " focus your fire " then

> > > > reciting a prasiddha mantra of one's Ishta Devata would be simply

> > > > fantastic. Just remember, stick with one mantra- don't jump around from

> > > > mantra to mantra. Various texts have mapped out the devata

> > > > correspondence with the planets- please refer to BPHS, Prasna Marga or

> > > > Jaimini.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If you want to recite a non-prasiddha mantra then you should know

> > > > that there are various tantric texts which specialize in highly complex

> > > > rules governing the prescription of such mantras- these are quite

> > > > complicated and much beyond my comprehension at present. In my

> > > > estimation it would take a life-time to fully understand and master all

> > > > the rules. Seek somebody qualified to assist you if you desire to

> > > > practice a non-prasiddha mantra. I won't name any of the texts here

> > > > because I do not want to encourage their casual use. You can't just

> > > > wily-nily start reciting bija mantras or even certain Vedic mantras-

> > > > they could be inimical to you even if your pronunciation and rhythm are

> > > > perfect!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As a bonus I'll quickly address fasting and charity. A word of

> > > > caution first, I know the least about these remedies. Some say to fast

> > > > on the day of the upapada lord in order to improve relationship

> > > > prospects. Others say fasting on the day of the UL lord cannot be done

> > > > if the UL lord rules the 2nd house. I quite frankly do not who is

> > > > correct. It is personally hard for me to believe that fasting on any day

> > > > would incur you negative karma. Of course I have seen people fast on

> > > > days owned by the troublesome planets in their chart- so I guess you can

> > > > fast on Saturday if you Saturn is not favorable for you. I do not know

> > > > if fasting works- I have not tried it. At the very least fasting once a

> > > > week would be very beneficial to your health (Please ask your doctor

> > > > first) so you really have nothing to lose by trying it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The concept of charity as a remedial measure is interesting.

> > > > Perhaps try giving on the day, hour and proper nakshatra transit of the

> > > > planet which is troubling you, it is prudent to either give an article

> > > > related to the planet in question or give money to a charity that is

> > > > associated with the troublesome planet. For example, if Saturn is

> > > > troubling you then you might want to make a substantial (But reasonable,

> > > > I want you to still be able to eat!) gift on a Saturday- on the hora of

> > > > Saturn, perhaps also incorporating tithi and nakshatra elements to a

> > > > charity that feeds lonely, elders who are unable to procure their own

> > > > food. In the end I cannot say how effective this would be. I have not

> > > > personally gone this route nor have spoken to anybody who has in a

> > > > serious way.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The form of remedial measure that will work best for the native

> > > > has to be determined by somebody competent . It will likely be of no use

> > > > to prescribe a mantra to somebody who will not recite it or has an

> > > > exceedingly weak 5th lord (Lord of house of mantra). Similarly, some

> > > > planetary configuration may preclude the use of charity as an effective

> > > > remedial measure but may demand fasting as the optimal route etc...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > *****

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Good luck and please do not hesitate to ask me any questions

> > > > and/or to correct my very limited knowledge. PLEASE note: I do NOT give

> > > > gemstone recommendations nor do I prescribe any remedies for that

> > > > matter. I do NOT give recommendations for jewelers. I will NOT refer you

> > > > to anybody either. Please do not fall prey to astrologers selling

> > > > expensive remedies . One astrologer with a presence on the web comes to

> > > > mind, he claims his remedies are almost guaranteed to work because he

> > > > uses a " special " prasna methodology only known to him (and a few

> > > > " select " others) in order to determine if his remedy prescription will

> > > > work- please do not succumb to this patent nonsense. Please do not fall

> > > > prey to any astrologer trying to sell you an expensive kavach and things

> > > > of this sort.

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