Guest guest Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 Dear Manoj, Well u must see msg no 62647 that is what it is about not our past quarrelle, remember despite of our personal differences that come and go we do chat/talk as any normal peron does But the political overtones which could have gone to the member concerned than the group gas warrented this a few group onweers advice apart from the ESTABLISHED GROUP POLICIES. Prashant ________________________________ Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj Monday, July 27, 2009 7:03:22 PM Bhaskra Ji's Ban Dear Prashant Ji, You have uncermoniously banned Bhaskar Ji from this Group. Yet you allowed some outsider to hurl all sorts of abuses on him and on this group. You have failed to act in a fair and just manner. There is a very high moral threshold for those in authority. Especially a Moderator has to hold that ground. In good concience can you say you have done that? Is this the type of democracy that you claim to uphold? A strong man is the one who lends his hand towards reconciliation. Bhaskar Ji has done that. Another strong man is the one who accepts this reconcilliation and moves forward. So all these years you have not banned him for heaping " alleged abuses " on you, but, now all of a sudden you have banned him? That too when he is trying to put that past behind? What are you afraid of? Are you afraid of peace? Do you prefer this constant battle and back and forth and mud slinging? Jyotish is a divine science. If Jyotishis do not show the higher road and rise above their passions who will? What is the point in doling out advice when one cannot follow it one self? Today is a sad day for JR and the entire astrology community. Regards, -Manoj ____________ _________ _________ __ Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > jyotish remedies <> Monday, July 27, 2009 3:53:53 AM My lapses- moral responsiblity 27/7 Dear Members. there were a few lapses by me in the past few months I am told that a few members have criticised readings of fellow astrologers and called them quacks, this is sad for anyone. LAPSE IS DUE TO NOT READING ALL UNMODERATED MESSAGES but I request members to bring any such instances will take corrective steps in mean time i still own the moral responsiblity for such hurt sentiments of fellow astrologers in this forum. My sincere apologies to them. JYOTISH IS A V VAST subject and with its wide spread acorss this big country and research on its use in other parts of the world as well, we have a lot of information to share, know, update ourselves WE MUST LEARN TO AGREE TO DISAGREE WE CAN POST ON A QUERY WITH AS MANY VIEWS FROM DIFFERENT ASTROLOGERS forums r not a market place so one persons reply is not to be answered by others by our own variety we can enhance the subject (in my case as u all know i use raman's ayanamsa for my castings, readings-different from others RRji uses something closer to it) BUT NEVER Criticized ANY ONES READING WHEREVER POSSIBLE OFFER ANALYSIS in simple terms, not al can read the technical stuff, but occassionally doing a detailed reading will surely show new members how to work on such subjects I fondly remember Sri Vattem Krishna ji doing a Prasna and a chart reading sid by side and giving a consolidated reading, which we do in a face to face sitting not in groups, at times only i have done this the depth of the subject is wide spread and in souther states is used well say Kerala has many diversie aspects stil intact and the Prashna concepts is deeply well rooted. similalry the mantra, tantra also some tantric part the Easternm N Eastern states r good. and many great astrologers who will never be seen in public come for villages who live a modest life and help people with much more purity, clarity so let us share what we can as freely as possible and I appreciate the co-peration I got, get from all of u till date without which it would not have been possible to carry on this demanding role I did not want to be seen as a hard natured, or dictatorial one and have given even my cirits as much space as possible even carried their grivances from other forums here esp the free reading shoopers who use and throw our hard work I wish there was no abuses on the lines of anti-national activities this pains us more than other abuses. Prashant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 Mr. Moderator (Prashant Kumar), With deep regret and sadness, I have to say that you have written a page of shameful history for Jyotish Remedies, once again! Once again you’ve shown how a whole community can be doomed under a worthless leadership. Once again, you have missed the opportunity to rise above your brazen self, and see some light! A group, which I was told was propounded by some greats and great astrology happened here, is wrecked by you once again! This is like razing the Bamiyan! The worst horrendous act coming from someone who calls himself a Brahmin and Jyotish! I was warned by every well-wisher not to expect any thing good from a person like you. But my belief in humanity and goodness of all human beings made me think otherwise and I really thought peace could prevail and the jyotish-fraternity could be one and standing tall. That is why I dared to waste my time talking and explaining things to you! But those well wishers were surely much wiser and experienced! What is the reason behind this banning of a respectable astrologer like Bhaskar ji, can you explain? When he has extended his hand of friendship and cooperation, why have you shown this appalling behaviour! Is this group your personal property where you may not allow some persons to enter, on your whims and fancies? Which member of JR, of any standing, had publicly asked you to ban Mr Bhaskar? Can you show evidence? If group owner demands this, let him post his command with reasons and explanations. Where is the command from high command? Which policies allow abusive mails from selective IDs? How can your reputed and respected astrologers breathe in this stinking sty! You have shown them the way out now! Stop kidding yourself about the 10K membership. Seekers come and go, but there are not more than 10 astrologers active in the group and there are no discussions of any worth. Not that it matters, and not that you were any of the reasons for my joining this group, I am leaving your group now! I do not wish to be a part of this group manned by such a pathetic moderator! Thanks for showing everyone your ugly face, a bane for Jyotish! Neelam ________________________________ Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar Monday, 27 July, 2009 7:23:09 PM Re: Bhaskra Ji's Ban Msg no 62647 Dear Manoj, Well u must see msg no 62647 that is what it is about not our past quarrelle, remember despite of our personal differences that come and go we do chat/talk as any normal peron does But the political overtones which could have gone to the member concerned than the group gas warrented this a few group onweers advice apart from the ESTABLISHED GROUP POLICIES. Prashant ____________ _________ _________ __ Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > Monday, July 27, 2009 7:03:22 PM Bhaskra Ji's Ban Dear Prashant Ji, You have uncermoniously banned Bhaskar Ji from this Group. Yet you allowed some outsider to hurl all sorts of abuses on him and on this group. You have failed to act in a fair and just manner. There is a very high moral threshold for those in authority. Especially a Moderator has to hold that ground. In good concience can you say you have done that? Is this the type of democracy that you claim to uphold? A strong man is the one who lends his hand towards reconciliation. Bhaskar Ji has done that. Another strong man is the one who accepts this reconcilliation and moves forward. So all these years you have not banned him for heaping " alleged abuses " on you, but, now all of a sudden you have banned him? That too when he is trying to put that past behind? What are you afraid of? Are you afraid of peace? Do you prefer this constant battle and back and forth and mud slinging? Jyotish is a divine science. If Jyotishis do not show the higher road and rise above their passions who will? What is the point in doling out advice when one cannot follow it one self? Today is a sad day for JR and the entire astrology community. Regards, -Manoj ____________ _________ _________ __ Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > jyotish remedies <> Monday, July 27, 2009 3:53:53 AM My lapses- moral responsiblity 27/7 Dear Members. there were a few lapses by me in the past few months I am told that a few members have criticised readings of fellow astrologers and called them quacks, this is sad for anyone. LAPSE IS DUE TO NOT READING ALL UNMODERATED MESSAGES but I request members to bring any such instances will take corrective steps in mean time i still own the moral responsiblity for such hurt sentiments of fellow astrologers in this forum. My sincere apologies to them. JYOTISH IS A V VAST subject and with its wide spread acorss this big country and research on its use in other parts of the world as well, we have a lot of information to share, know, update ourselves WE MUST LEARN TO AGREE TO DISAGREE WE CAN POST ON A QUERY WITH AS MANY VIEWS FROM DIFFERENT ASTROLOGERS forums r not a market place so one persons reply is not to be answered by others by our own variety we can enhance the subject (in my case as u all know i use raman's ayanamsa for my castings, readings-different from others RRji uses something closer to it) BUT NEVER Criticized ANY ONES READING WHEREVER POSSIBLE OFFER ANALYSIS in simple terms, not al can read the technical stuff, but occassionally doing a detailed reading will surely show new members how to work on such subjects I fondly remember Sri Vattem Krishna ji doing a Prasna and a chart reading sid by side and giving a consolidated reading, which we do in a face to face sitting not in groups, at times only i have done this the depth of the subject is wide spread and in souther states is used well say Kerala has many diversie aspects stil intact and the Prashna concepts is deeply well rooted. similalry the mantra, tantra also some tantric part the Easternm N Eastern states r good. and many great astrologers who will never be seen in public come for villages who live a modest life and help people with much more purity, clarity so let us share what we can as freely as possible and I appreciate the co-peration I got, get from all of u till date without which it would not have been possible to carry on this demanding role I did not want to be seen as a hard natured, or dictatorial one and have given even my cirits as much space as possible even carried their grivances from other forums here esp the free reading shoopers who use and throw our hard work I wish there was no abuses on the lines of anti-national activities this pains us more than other abuses. 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Guest guest Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 Revered Neelam Ji You surely have a lot of spare time spent after the invalueable promotional work of Jyotish. Have you been a student of literate? Trust me... you can be a better writer than astrologer! Sadly... we will miss your artistic messages here in JR. Goodbye Tanvir , neelam gupta <neelamgupta106 wrote: > > Mr. Moderator (Prashant Kumar), > > With deep regret and sadness, I have to say that you have written a page of shameful history for Jyotish Remedies, once again! Once again you’ve shown how a whole community can be doomed under a worthless leadership. Once again, you have missed the opportunity to rise above your brazen self, and see some light! A group, which I was told was propounded by some greats and great astrology happened here, is wrecked by you once again! > > This is like razing the Bamiyan! The worst horrendous act coming from someone who calls himself a Brahmin and Jyotish! I was warned by every well-wisher not to expect any thing good from a person like you. But my belief in humanity and goodness of all human beings made me think otherwise and I really thought peace could prevail and the jyotish-fraternity could be one and standing tall. That is why I dared to waste my time talking and explaining things to you! But those well wishers were surely much wiser and experienced! > > What is the reason behind this banning of a respectable astrologer like Bhaskar ji, can you explain? When he has extended his hand of friendship and cooperation, why have you shown this appalling behaviour! Is this group your personal property where you may not allow some persons to enter, on your whims and fancies? Which member of JR, of any standing, had publicly asked you to ban Mr Bhaskar? Can you show evidence? If group owner demands this, let him post his command with reasons and explanations. Where is the command from high command? Which policies allow abusive mails from selective IDs? > > How can your reputed and respected astrologers breathe in this stinking sty! You have shown them the way out now! > > Stop kidding yourself about the 10K membership. Seekers come and go, but there are not more than 10 astrologers active in the group and there are no discussions of any worth. > > Not that it matters, and not that you were any of the reasons for my joining this group, I am leaving your group now! I do not wish to be a part of this group manned by such a pathetic moderator! Thanks for showing everyone your ugly face, a bane for Jyotish! > > Neelam > > > > > ________________________________ > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > Monday, 27 July, 2009 7:23:09 PM > Re: Bhaskra Ji's Ban Msg no 62647 > > > Dear Manoj, > > Well u must see msg no 62647 that is what it is about not our past quarrelle, remember despite of our personal differences that come and go we do chat/talk as any normal peron does > > But the political overtones which could have gone to the member concerned than the group gas warrented this a few group onweers advice apart from the ESTABLISHED GROUP POLICIES. > > Prashant > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > Monday, July 27, 2009 7:03:22 PM > Bhaskra Ji's Ban > > Dear Prashant Ji, > > You have uncermoniously banned Bhaskar Ji from this Group. Yet you allowed some outsider to hurl all sorts of abuses on him and on this group. You have failed to act in a fair and just manner. There is a very high moral threshold for those in authority. Especially a Moderator has to hold that ground. > > In good concience can you say you have done that? Is this the type of democracy that you claim to uphold? A strong man is the one who lends his hand towards reconciliation. Bhaskar Ji has done that. Another strong man is the one who accepts this reconcilliation and moves forward. > > So all these years you have not banned him for heaping " alleged abuses " on you, but, now all of a sudden you have banned him? That too when he is trying to put that past behind? What are you afraid of? Are you afraid of peace? Do you prefer this constant battle and back and forth and mud slinging? > > Jyotish is a divine science. If Jyotishis do not show the higher road and rise above their passions who will? What is the point in doling out advice when one cannot follow it one self? > > Today is a sad day for JR and the entire astrology community. > > Regards, > -Manoj > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > jyotish remedies <> > Monday, July 27, 2009 3:53:53 AM > My lapses- moral responsiblity 27/7 > > Dear Members. > > there were a few lapses by me in the past few months I am told that a few members have criticised readings of fellow astrologers and called them quacks, this is sad for anyone. > > LAPSE IS DUE TO NOT READING ALL UNMODERATED MESSAGES but I request members to bring any such instances will take corrective steps > > in mean time i still own the moral responsiblity for such hurt sentiments of fellow astrologers in this forum. My sincere apologies to them. > > JYOTISH IS A V VAST subject and with its wide spread acorss this big country and research on its use in other parts of the world as well, we have a lot of information to share, know, update ourselves > > WE MUST LEARN TO AGREE TO DISAGREE > > WE CAN POST ON A QUERY WITH AS MANY VIEWS FROM DIFFERENT ASTROLOGERS > forums r not a market place so one persons reply is not to be answered by others > > by our own variety we can enhance the subject > (in my case as u all know i use raman's ayanamsa for my castings, readings-different from others RRji uses something closer to it) > > BUT > > NEVER Criticized ANY ONES READING > > WHEREVER POSSIBLE OFFER ANALYSIS in simple terms, not al can read the technical stuff, but occassionally doing a detailed reading will surely show new members how to work on such subjects > > I fondly remember Sri Vattem Krishna ji doing a Prasna and a chart reading sid by side and giving a consolidated reading, which we do in a face to face sitting not in groups, at times only i have done this > > the depth of the subject is wide spread and in souther states is used well say Kerala has many diversie aspects stil intact and the Prashna concepts is deeply well rooted. similalry the mantra, tantra also > > some tantric part the Easternm N Eastern states r good. > > and many great astrologers who will never be seen in public come for villages who live a modest life and help people with much more purity, clarity > > so let us share what we can as freely as possible > > and I appreciate the co-peration I got, get from all of u till date without which it would not have been possible to carry on this demanding role > > I did not want to be seen as a hard natured, or dictatorial one and have given even my cirits as much space as possible even carried their grivances from other forums here esp the free reading shoopers who use and throw our hard work > > I wish there was no abuses on the lines of anti-national activities this pains us more than other abuses. > > Prashant > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Dear Tanvir ji, I have been a silent observer of this drama. Yet, it hurts when a good soul like Neelam ji is being insulted. //Trust me... you can be a better writer than astrologer!// Trust me, Tanvir ji ...she can be both! In fact her predictions and analyses have been accurate almost on all occasions. It is a blessing that she is a gifted writer too, as her write-ups are a treat to the reader. She is an excellent teacher as she can convey her message with clarity and logically to us the learners. I am not surprised that many envy a gifted lady like Neelam ji. blessings, Renu , " Tanvir Chowdhury " <lord_rex wrote: > > Revered Neelam Ji > > You surely have a lot of spare time spent after the invalueable promotional work of Jyotish. > > Have you been a student of literate? Trust me... you can be a better writer than astrologer! > > Sadly... we will miss your artistic messages here in JR. > > Goodbye > Tanvir > > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta106@> wrote: > > > > Mr. Moderator (Prashant Kumar), > > > > With deep regret and sadness, I have to say that you have written a page of shameful history for Jyotish Remedies, once again! Once again you’ve shown how a whole community can be doomed under a worthless leadership. Once again, you have missed the opportunity to rise above your brazen self, and see some light! A group, which I was told was propounded by some greats and great astrology happened here, is wrecked by you once again! > > > > This is like razing the Bamiyan! The worst horrendous act coming from someone who calls himself a Brahmin and Jyotish! I was warned by every well-wisher not to expect any thing good from a person like you. But my belief in humanity and goodness of all human beings made me think otherwise and I really thought peace could prevail and the jyotish-fraternity could be one and standing tall. That is why I dared to waste my time talking and explaining things to you! But those well wishers were surely much wiser and experienced! > > > > What is the reason behind this banning of a respectable astrologer like Bhaskar ji, can you explain? When he has extended his hand of friendship and cooperation, why have you shown this appalling behaviour! Is this group your personal property where you may not allow some persons to enter, on your whims and fancies? Which member of JR, of any standing, had publicly asked you to ban Mr Bhaskar? Can you show evidence? If group owner demands this, let him post his command with reasons and explanations. Where is the command from high command? Which policies allow abusive mails from selective IDs? > > > > How can your reputed and respected astrologers breathe in this stinking sty! You have shown them the way out now! > > > > Stop kidding yourself about the 10K membership. Seekers come and go, but there are not more than 10 astrologers active in the group and there are no discussions of any worth. > > > > Not that it matters, and not that you were any of the reasons for my joining this group, I am leaving your group now! I do not wish to be a part of this group manned by such a pathetic moderator! Thanks for showing everyone your ugly face, a bane for Jyotish! > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> > > > > Monday, 27 July, 2009 7:23:09 PM > > Re: Bhaskra Ji's Ban Msg no 62647 > > > > > > Dear Manoj, > > > > Well u must see msg no 62647 that is what it is about not our past quarrelle, remember despite of our personal differences that come and go we do chat/talk as any normal peron does > > > > But the political overtones which could have gone to the member concerned than the group gas warrented this a few group onweers advice apart from the ESTABLISHED GROUP POLICIES. > > > > Prashant > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > > Monday, July 27, 2009 7:03:22 PM > > Bhaskra Ji's Ban > > > > Dear Prashant Ji, > > > > You have uncermoniously banned Bhaskar Ji from this Group. Yet you allowed some outsider to hurl all sorts of abuses on him and on this group. You have failed to act in a fair and just manner. There is a very high moral threshold for those in authority. Especially a Moderator has to hold that ground. > > > > In good concience can you say you have done that? Is this the type of democracy that you claim to uphold? A strong man is the one who lends his hand towards reconciliation. Bhaskar Ji has done that. Another strong man is the one who accepts this reconcilliation and moves forward. > > > > So all these years you have not banned him for heaping " alleged abuses " on you, but, now all of a sudden you have banned him? That too when he is trying to put that past behind? What are you afraid of? Are you afraid of peace? Do you prefer this constant battle and back and forth and mud slinging? > > > > Jyotish is a divine science. If Jyotishis do not show the higher road and rise above their passions who will? What is the point in doling out advice when one cannot follow it one self? > > > > Today is a sad day for JR and the entire astrology community. > > > > Regards, > > -Manoj > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > > jyotish remedies <> > > Monday, July 27, 2009 3:53:53 AM > > My lapses- moral responsiblity 27/7 > > > > Dear Members. > > > > there were a few lapses by me in the past few months I am told that a few members have criticised readings of fellow astrologers and called them quacks, this is sad for anyone. > > > > LAPSE IS DUE TO NOT READING ALL UNMODERATED MESSAGES but I request members to bring any such instances will take corrective steps > > > > in mean time i still own the moral responsiblity for such hurt sentiments of fellow astrologers in this forum. My sincere apologies to them. > > > > JYOTISH IS A V VAST subject and with its wide spread acorss this big country and research on its use in other parts of the world as well, we have a lot of information to share, know, update ourselves > > > > WE MUST LEARN TO AGREE TO DISAGREE > > > > WE CAN POST ON A QUERY WITH AS MANY VIEWS FROM DIFFERENT ASTROLOGERS > > forums r not a market place so one persons reply is not to be answered by others > > > > by our own variety we can enhance the subject > > (in my case as u all know i use raman's ayanamsa for my castings, readings-different from others RRji uses something closer to it) > > > > BUT > > > > NEVER Criticized ANY ONES READING > > > > WHEREVER POSSIBLE OFFER ANALYSIS in simple terms, not al can read the technical stuff, but occassionally doing a detailed reading will surely show new members how to work on such subjects > > > > I fondly remember Sri Vattem Krishna ji doing a Prasna and a chart reading sid by side and giving a consolidated reading, which we do in a face to face sitting not in groups, at times only i have done this > > > > the depth of the subject is wide spread and in souther states is used well say Kerala has many diversie aspects stil intact and the Prashna concepts is deeply well rooted. similalry the mantra, tantra also > > > > some tantric part the Easternm N Eastern states r good. > > > > and many great astrologers who will never be seen in public come for villages who live a modest life and help people with much more purity, clarity > > > > so let us share what we can as freely as possible > > > > and I appreciate the co-peration I got, get from all of u till date without which it would not have been possible to carry on this demanding role > > > > I did not want to be seen as a hard natured, or dictatorial one and have given even my cirits as much space as possible even carried their grivances from other forums here esp the free reading shoopers who use and throw our hard work > > > > I wish there was no abuses on the lines of anti-national activities this pains us more than other abuses. > > > > Prashant > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Ms Renu, Who told you she is good in prediction. She is cheating people on predictions. I witnessed the whole issue. You belong to her faithful team of false supporters. To be false is a sin, to support somebody false is greater than sin itself. Recently, she predicted profession for a boy even though he did not ask for it.(she was 99% accurate) He wanted to know about his spiritual life only. That boy was posting messages along with his blogspot link. His blogspot shows his profession and details. How did she predict that the boy will work with virus in particular. The blogspot had a link on " Avianflu virus " , this woman predicted that the boy is working with virus All the rishis will curse you for cheating the public. It is upto moderator/owner to pass this message. I am an old man. I am sure after reading this message, they will cancel my membership there. They are all cheats Sincerely, Gurushanker , " renunw " <renunw wrote: > > Dear Tanvir ji, > > I have been a silent observer of this drama. Yet, it hurts when a good soul like Neelam ji is being insulted. > > //Trust me... you can be a better writer than astrologer!// > > Trust me, Tanvir ji ...she can be both! In fact her predictions and analyses have been accurate almost on all occasions. It is a blessing that she is a gifted writer too, as her write-ups are a treat to the reader. She is an excellent teacher as she can convey her message with clarity and logically to us the learners. > > I am not surprised that many envy a gifted lady like Neelam ji. > > blessings, > > Renu > > , " Tanvir Chowdhury " <lord_rex@> wrote: > > > > Revered Neelam Ji > > > > You surely have a lot of spare time spent after the invalueable promotional work of Jyotish. > > > > Have you been a student of literate? Trust me... you can be a better writer than astrologer! > > > > Sadly... we will miss your artistic messages here in JR. > > > > Goodbye > > Tanvir > > > > > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta106@> wrote: > > > > > > Mr. Moderator (Prashant Kumar), > > > > > > With deep regret and sadness, I have to say that you have written a page of shameful history for Jyotish Remedies, once again! Once again you’ve shown how a whole community can be doomed under a worthless leadership. Once again, you have missed the opportunity to rise above your brazen self, and see some light! A group, which I was told was propounded by some greats and great astrology happened here, is wrecked by you once again! > > > > > > This is like razing the Bamiyan! The worst horrendous act coming from someone who calls himself a Brahmin and Jyotish! I was warned by every well-wisher not to expect any thing good from a person like you. But my belief in humanity and goodness of all human beings made me think otherwise and I really thought peace could prevail and the jyotish-fraternity could be one and standing tall. That is why I dared to waste my time talking and explaining things to you! But those well wishers were surely much wiser and experienced! > > > > > > What is the reason behind this banning of a respectable astrologer like Bhaskar ji, can you explain? When he has extended his hand of friendship and cooperation, why have you shown this appalling behaviour! Is this group your personal property where you may not allow some persons to enter, on your whims and fancies? Which member of JR, of any standing, had publicly asked you to ban Mr Bhaskar? Can you show evidence? If group owner demands this, let him post his command with reasons and explanations. Where is the command from high command? Which policies allow abusive mails from selective IDs? > > > > > > How can your reputed and respected astrologers breathe in this stinking sty! You have shown them the way out now! > > > > > > Stop kidding yourself about the 10K membership. Seekers come and go, but there are not more than 10 astrologers active in the group and there are no discussions of any worth. > > > > > > Not that it matters, and not that you were any of the reasons for my joining this group, I am leaving your group now! I do not wish to be a part of this group manned by such a pathetic moderator! Thanks for showing everyone your ugly face, a bane for Jyotish! > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> > > > > > > Monday, 27 July, 2009 7:23:09 PM > > > Re: Bhaskra Ji's Ban Msg no 62647 > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj, > > > > > > Well u must see msg no 62647 that is what it is about not our past quarrelle, remember despite of our personal differences that come and go we do chat/talk as any normal peron does > > > > > > But the political overtones which could have gone to the member concerned than the group gas warrented this a few group onweers advice apart from the ESTABLISHED GROUP POLICIES. > > > > > > Prashant > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > > > > Monday, July 27, 2009 7:03:22 PM > > > Bhaskra Ji's Ban > > > > > > Dear Prashant Ji, > > > > > > You have uncermoniously banned Bhaskar Ji from this Group. Yet you allowed some outsider to hurl all sorts of abuses on him and on this group. You have failed to act in a fair and just manner. There is a very high moral threshold for those in authority. Especially a Moderator has to hold that ground. > > > > > > In good concience can you say you have done that? Is this the type of democracy that you claim to uphold? A strong man is the one who lends his hand towards reconciliation. Bhaskar Ji has done that. Another strong man is the one who accepts this reconcilliation and moves forward. > > > > > > So all these years you have not banned him for heaping " alleged abuses " on you, but, now all of a sudden you have banned him? That too when he is trying to put that past behind? What are you afraid of? Are you afraid of peace? Do you prefer this constant battle and back and forth and mud slinging? > > > > > > Jyotish is a divine science. If Jyotishis do not show the higher road and rise above their passions who will? What is the point in doling out advice when one cannot follow it one self? > > > > > > Today is a sad day for JR and the entire astrology community. > > > > > > Regards, > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > > > jyotish remedies <> > > > Monday, July 27, 2009 3:53:53 AM > > > My lapses- moral responsiblity 27/7 > > > > > > Dear Members. > > > > > > there were a few lapses by me in the past few months I am told that a few members have criticised readings of fellow astrologers and called them quacks, this is sad for anyone. > > > > > > LAPSE IS DUE TO NOT READING ALL UNMODERATED MESSAGES but I request members to bring any such instances will take corrective steps > > > > > > in mean time i still own the moral responsiblity for such hurt sentiments of fellow astrologers in this forum. My sincere apologies to them. > > > > > > JYOTISH IS A V VAST subject and with its wide spread acorss this big country and research on its use in other parts of the world as well, we have a lot of information to share, know, update ourselves > > > > > > WE MUST LEARN TO AGREE TO DISAGREE > > > > > > WE CAN POST ON A QUERY WITH AS MANY VIEWS FROM DIFFERENT ASTROLOGERS > > > forums r not a market place so one persons reply is not to be answered by others > > > > > > by our own variety we can enhance the subject > > > (in my case as u all know i use raman's ayanamsa for my castings, readings-different from others RRji uses something closer to it) > > > > > > BUT > > > > > > NEVER Criticized ANY ONES READING > > > > > > WHEREVER POSSIBLE OFFER ANALYSIS in simple terms, not al can read the technical stuff, but occassionally doing a detailed reading will surely show new members how to work on such subjects > > > > > > I fondly remember Sri Vattem Krishna ji doing a Prasna and a chart reading sid by side and giving a consolidated reading, which we do in a face to face sitting not in groups, at times only i have done this > > > > > > the depth of the subject is wide spread and in souther states is used well say Kerala has many diversie aspects stil intact and the Prashna concepts is deeply well rooted. similalry the mantra, tantra also > > > > > > some tantric part the Easternm N Eastern states r good. > > > > > > and many great astrologers who will never be seen in public come for villages who live a modest life and help people with much more purity, clarity > > > > > > so let us share what we can as freely as possible > > > > > > and I appreciate the co-peration I got, get from all of u till date without which it would not have been possible to carry on this demanding role > > > > > > I did not want to be seen as a hard natured, or dictatorial one and have given even my cirits as much space as possible even carried their grivances from other forums here esp the free reading shoopers who use and throw our hard work > > > > > > I wish there was no abuses on the lines of anti-national activities this pains us more than other abuses. > > > > > > Prashant > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 Member if this ur REAL name it is strange, this was last used for the previous Shankaracharya of Kanchi. this apart what makes u feel she can; or she can't one prediction alone is not the rightway to judge ANYONE EVEN CAST SUCH ASPERSTIONS this is not what u called her faitful support after u saw the how she was painting me this group, well it is her own autobiographical note more than anything else. I have given her hypcritical side other day when she refused to do anythong on my case in the form with many moderators who allow abuses on anyone they don't like freely and they r not allowed to even defend themselves. We have given them more than they ever deserved over here I am breeching my own rule step one and step two will be the charge it I must say that has PUSHED ME TO ALLOW THIS is linking me/us with whatver she has done good or abd, as of now i can't dismiss her prediction unless u show more cases preferably in their groups or other NUTERAL groups like jyotish shastra, jyotish group. Prashant ________________________________ guruparamacharya <guruparamacharya Wednesday, July 29, 2009 3:20:56 AM Re: Bhaskra Ji's Ban Msg no 62647 Ms Renu, Who told you she is good in prediction. She is cheating people on predictions. I witnessed the whole issue. You belong to her faithful team of false supporters. To be false is a sin, to support somebody false is greater than sin itself. Recently, she predicted profession for a boy even though he did not ask for it.(she was 99% accurate) He wanted to know about his spiritual life only. That boy was posting messages along with his blogspot link. His blogspot shows his profession and details. How did she predict that the boy will work with virus in particular. The blogspot had a link on " Avianflu virus " , this woman predicted that the boy is working with virus All the rishis will curse you for cheating the public. It is upto moderator/owner to pass this message. I am an old man. I am sure after reading this message, they will cancel my membership there. They are all cheats Sincerely, Gurushanker , " renunw " <renunw wrote: > > Dear Tanvir ji, > > I have been a silent observer of this drama. Yet, it hurts when a good soul like Neelam ji is being insulted. > > //Trust me... you can be a better writer than astrologer!/ / > > Trust me, Tanvir ji ...she can be both! In fact her predictions and analyses have been accurate almost on all occasions. It is a blessing that she is a gifted writer too, as her write-ups are a treat to the reader. She is an excellent teacher as she can convey her message with clarity and logically to us the learners. > > I am not surprised that many envy a gifted lady like Neelam ji. > > blessings, > > Renu > > , " Tanvir Chowdhury " <lord_rex@> wrote: > > > > Revered Neelam Ji > > > > You surely have a lot of spare time spent after the invalueable promotional work of Jyotish. > > > > Have you been a student of literate? Trust me... you can be a better writer than astrologer! > > > > Sadly... we will miss your artistic messages here in JR. > > > > Goodbye > > Tanvir > > > > > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta106@ > wrote: > > > > > > Mr. Moderator (Prashant Kumar), > > > > > > With deep regret and sadness, I have to say that you have written a page of shameful history for Jyotish Remedies, once again! Once again you’ve shown how a whole community can be doomed under a worthless leadership. Once again, you have missed the opportunity to rise above your brazen self, and see some light! A group, which I was told was propounded by some greats and great astrology happened here, is wrecked by you once again! > > > > > > This is like razing the Bamiyan! The worst horrendous act coming from someone who calls himself a Brahmin and Jyotish! I was warned by every well-wisher not to expect any thing good from a person like you. But my belief in humanity and goodness of all human beings made me think otherwise and I really thought peace could prevail and the jyotish-fraternity could be one and standing tall. That is why I dared to waste my time talking and explaining things to you! But those well wishers were surely much wiser and experienced! > > > > > > What is the reason behind this banning of a respectable astrologer like Bhaskar ji, can you explain? When he has extended his hand of friendship and cooperation, why have you shown this appalling behaviour! Is this group your personal property where you may not allow some persons to enter, on your whims and fancies? Which member of JR, of any standing, had publicly asked you to ban Mr Bhaskar? Can you show evidence? If group owner demands this, let him post his command with reasons and explanations. Where is the command from high command? Which policies allow abusive mails from selective IDs? > > > > > > How can your reputed and respected astrologers breathe in this stinking sty! You have shown them the way out now! > > > > > > Stop kidding yourself about the 10K membership. Seekers come and go, but there are not more than 10 astrologers active in the group and there are no discussions of any worth. > > > > > > Not that it matters, and not that you were any of the reasons for my joining this group, I am leaving your group now! I do not wish to be a part of this group manned by such a pathetic moderator! Thanks for showing everyone your ugly face, a bane for Jyotish! > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> > > > > > > Monday, 27 July, 2009 7:23:09 PM > > > Re: Bhaskra Ji's Ban Msg no 62647 > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj, > > > > > > Well u must see msg no 62647 that is what it is about not our past quarrelle, remember despite of our personal differences that come and go we do chat/talk as any normal peron does > > > > > > But the political overtones which could have gone to the member concerned than the group gas warrented this a few group onweers advice apart from the ESTABLISHED GROUP POLICIES. > > > > > > Prashant > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > > > > Monday, July 27, 2009 7:03:22 PM > > > Bhaskra Ji's Ban > > > > > > Dear Prashant Ji, > > > > > > You have uncermoniously banned Bhaskar Ji from this Group. Yet you allowed some outsider to hurl all sorts of abuses on him and on this group. You have failed to act in a fair and just manner. There is a very high moral threshold for those in authority. Especially a Moderator has to hold that ground. > > > > > > In good concience can you say you have done that? Is this the type of democracy that you claim to uphold? A strong man is the one who lends his hand towards reconciliation. Bhaskar Ji has done that. Another strong man is the one who accepts this reconcilliation and moves forward. > > > > > > So all these years you have not banned him for heaping " alleged abuses " on you, but, now all of a sudden you have banned him? That too when he is trying to put that past behind? What are you afraid of? Are you afraid of peace? Do you prefer this constant battle and back and forth and mud slinging? > > > > > > Jyotish is a divine science. If Jyotishis do not show the higher road and rise above their passions who will? What is the point in doling out advice when one cannot follow it one self? > > > > > > Today is a sad day for JR and the entire astrology community. > > > > > > Regards, > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > > > jyotish remedies <> > > > Monday, July 27, 2009 3:53:53 AM > > > My lapses- moral responsiblity 27/7 > > > > > > Dear Members. > > > > > > there were a few lapses by me in the past few months I am told that a few members have criticised readings of fellow astrologers and called them quacks, this is sad for anyone. > > > > > > LAPSE IS DUE TO NOT READING ALL UNMODERATED MESSAGES but I request members to bring any such instances will take corrective steps > > > > > > in mean time i still own the moral responsiblity for such hurt sentiments of fellow astrologers in this forum. My sincere apologies to them. > > > > > > JYOTISH IS A V VAST subject and with its wide spread acorss this big country and research on its use in other parts of the world as well, we have a lot of information to share, know, update ourselves > > > > > > WE MUST LEARN TO AGREE TO DISAGREE > > > > > > WE CAN POST ON A QUERY WITH AS MANY VIEWS FROM DIFFERENT ASTROLOGERS > > > forums r not a market place so one persons reply is not to be answered by others > > > > > > by our own variety we can enhance the subject > > > (in my case as u all know i use raman's ayanamsa for my castings, readings-different from others RRji uses something closer to it) > > > > > > BUT > > > > > > NEVER Criticized ANY ONES READING > > > > > > WHEREVER POSSIBLE OFFER ANALYSIS in simple terms, not al can read the technical stuff, but occassionally doing a detailed reading will surely show new members how to work on such subjects > > > > > > I fondly remember Sri Vattem Krishna ji doing a Prasna and a chart reading sid by side and giving a consolidated reading, which we do in a face to face sitting not in groups, at times only i have done this > > > > > > the depth of the subject is wide spread and in souther states is used well say Kerala has many diversie aspects stil intact and the Prashna concepts is deeply well rooted. similalry the mantra, tantra also > > > > > > some tantric part the Easternm N Eastern states r good. > > > > > > and many great astrologers who will never be seen in public come for villages who live a modest life and help people with much more purity, clarity > > > > > > so let us share what we can as freely as possible > > > > > > and I appreciate the co-peration I got, get from all of u till date without which it would not have been possible to carry on this demanding role > > > > > > I did not want to be seen as a hard natured, or dictatorial one and have given even my cirits as much space as possible even carried their grivances from other forums here esp the free reading shoopers who use and throw our hard work > > > > > > I wish there was no abuses on the lines of anti-national activities this pains us more than other abuses. > > > > > > Prashant > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 Re: Bhaskra Ji's Ban Msg no 62647 Dear Guruparamacharya ji, My answers in blue. // Who told you she is good in prediction. // No one needs to tell me. I have witnessed it. I don't accept anything on hearsay unless I have solid proof. //She is cheating people on predictions. // The word cheating is not in her vocabulary. Why should she? For one to cheat there should be some reason behind it. She has a doctorate in Zoology and Genetics. She has her own business. Additionally she devotes her time on women who have being cheated by society or affected by natural calamities. She is financially stable. I think her devotion to astrology is a God sent gift to people like us. She is not making money out of it. If I remember well, according to another group classification of astrologers, she belongs to the 'saatvik' group of astrologers. On the other hand if she can be 100% accurate on all her predictions, she is more or less similar to God himself. She is human and apt to make mistakes. That does not mean she is cheating. //I witnessed the whole issue. You belong to her faithful team of false supporters. To be false is a sin, to support somebody false is greater than sin itself. // I am glad that you observe everything keenly. I belong to anyone who is truthful and honest. I belong to the needy and helpless. May be, to support somebody at fault is a sin. But who are you and I to judge who is right and who is wrong? I support what I believe is right and that too if I have ample evidence to satisfy my mind. //Recently, she predicted profession for a boy even though he did not ask for it.(she was 99% accurate) He wanted to know about his spiritual life only. That boy was posting messages along with his blogspot link. His blogspot shows his profession and details. How did she predict that the boy will work with virus in particular. The blogspot had a link on " Avianflu virus " , this woman predicted that the boy is working with virus // This boy had asked a reading on his profession. We all knew that he was a doctor. So what is the big issue? She gave her opinion. If you are really keen to read her analyses, and I am not surprised if you are, since it is natural for anyone to get glued to her excellent write-ups, I kindly suggest that you go through the past mails in AIA/JG and check how accurate she had been. //All the rishis will curse you for cheating the public.// Sorry, I don't get affected by these. I am a Buddhist and we don't curse anyone. Buddha never cursed even his arch enemy. On the contrary he showed his compassion to them...And neither do I respect nor have faith in any Rishis whose job is cursing people. A Rishi should be free from such poisonous thoughts. Hence I do not call such person a Rishi. //It is upto moderator/owner to pass this message. I am an old man. I am sure after reading this message, they will cancel my membership there. They are all cheats// I am really sad to hear this. I thought with age one gains wisdom. My father who is a very old man told me once, " never look for faults in others- if you are good, the world will be good to you. " I think that was what Neelam ji trying to do when Bhaskar ji's issue came. But how very unfortunate that some did not get her good message? When one's mind is busy looking for cheaters, one cannot think with clarity and wisdom. It is a fact that AIA moderators are down to earth very good human beings. This is a simple truth. This does not mean that moderators in other groups are bad. blessings, Renu , " guruparamacharya " <guruparamacharya wrote: > > Ms Renu, > > Who told you she is good in prediction. She is cheating people on predictions. I witnessed the whole issue. You belong to her faithful team of false supporters. To be false is a sin, to support somebody false is greater than sin itself. > > Recently, she predicted profession for a boy even though he did not ask for it.(she was 99% accurate) He wanted to know about his spiritual life only. That boy was posting messages along with his blogspot link. His blogspot shows his profession and details. How did she predict that the boy will work with virus in particular. The blogspot had a link on " Avianflu virus " , this woman predicted that the boy is working with virus > > All the rishis will curse you for cheating the public. > > It is upto moderator/owner to pass this message. I am an old man. I am sure after reading this message, they will cancel my membership there. They are all cheats > > Sincerely, > Gurushanker > , " renunw " renunw@ wrote: > > > > Dear Tanvir ji, > > > > I have been a silent observer of this drama. Yet, it hurts when a good soul like Neelam ji is being insulted. > > > > //Trust me... you can be a better writer than astrologer!// > > > > Trust me, Tanvir ji ...she can be both! In fact her predictions and analyses have been accurate almost on all occasions. It is a blessing that she is a gifted writer too, as her write-ups are a treat to the reader. She is an excellent teacher as she can convey her message with clarity and logically to us the learners. > > > > I am not surprised that many envy a gifted lady like Neelam ji. > > > > blessings, > > > > Renu > > > > , " Tanvir Chowdhury " <lord_rex@> wrote: > > > > > > Revered Neelam Ji > > > > > > You surely have a lot of spare time spent after the invalueable promotional work of Jyotish. > > > > > > Have you been a student of literate? Trust me... you can be a better writer than astrologer! > > > > > > Sadly... we will miss your artistic messages here in JR. > > > > > > Goodbye > > > Tanvir > > > > > > > > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta106@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Mr. Moderator (Prashant Kumar), > > > > > > > > With deep regret and sadness, I have to say that you have written a page of shameful history for Jyotish Remedies, once again! Once again you’ve shown how a whole community can be doomed under a worthless leadership. Once again, you have missed the opportunity to rise above your brazen self, and see some light! A group, which I was told was propounded by some greats and great astrology happened here, is wrecked by you once again! > > > > > > > > This is like razing the Bamiyan! The worst horrendous act coming from someone who calls himself a Brahmin and Jyotish! I was warned by every well-wisher not to expect any thing good from a person like you. But my belief in humanity and goodness of all human beings made me think otherwise and I really thought peace could prevail and the jyotish-fraternity could be one and standing tall. That is why I dared to waste my time talking and explaining things to you! But those well wishers were surely much wiser and experienced! > > > > > > > > What is the reason behind this banning of a respectable astrologer like Bhaskar ji, can you explain? When he has extended his hand of friendship and cooperation, why have you shown this appalling behaviour! Is this group your personal property where you may not allow some persons to enter, on your whims and fancies? Which member of JR, of any standing, had publicly asked you to ban Mr Bhaskar? Can you show evidence? If group owner demands this, let him post his command with reasons and explanations. Where is the command from high command? Which policies allow abusive mails from selective IDs? > > > > > > > > How can your reputed and respected astrologers breathe in this stinking sty! You have shown them the way out now! > > > > > > > > Stop kidding yourself about the 10K membership. Seekers come and go, but there are not more than 10 astrologers active in the group and there are no discussions of any worth. > > > > > > > > Not that it matters, and not that you were any of the reasons for my joining this group, I am leaving your group now! I do not wish to be a part of this group manned by such a pathetic moderator! Thanks for showing everyone your ugly face, a bane for Jyotish! > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> > > > > > > > > Monday, 27 July, 2009 7:23:09 PM > > > > Re: Bhaskra Ji's Ban Msg no 62647 > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj, > > > > > > > > Well u must see msg no 62647 that is what it is about not our past quarrelle, remember despite of our personal differences that come and go we do chat/talk as any normal peron does > > > > > > > > But the political overtones which could have gone to the member concerned than the group gas warrented this a few group onweers advice apart from the ESTABLISHED GROUP POLICIES. > > > > > > > > Prashant > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > > > > > > Monday, July 27, 2009 7:03:22 PM > > > > Bhaskra Ji's Ban > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant Ji, > > > > > > > > You have uncermoniously banned Bhaskar Ji from this Group. Yet you allowed some outsider to hurl all sorts of abuses on him and on this group. You have failed to act in a fair and just manner. There is a very high moral threshold for those in authority. Especially a Moderator has to hold that ground. > > > > > > > > In good concience can you say you have done that? Is this the type of democracy that you claim to uphold? A strong man is the one who lends his hand towards reconciliation. Bhaskar Ji has done that. Another strong man is the one who accepts this reconcilliation and moves forward. > > > > > > > > So all these years you have not banned him for heaping " alleged abuses " on you, but, now all of a sudden you have banned him? That too when he is trying to put that past behind? What are you afraid of? Are you afraid of peace? Do you prefer this constant battle and back and forth and mud slinging? > > > > > > > > Jyotish is a divine science. If Jyotishis do not show the higher road and rise above their passions who will? What is the point in doling out advice when one cannot follow it one self? > > > > > > > > Today is a sad day for JR and the entire astrology community. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > > > > > jyotish remedies <> > > > > Monday, July 27, 2009 3:53:53 AM > > > > My lapses- moral responsiblity 27/7 > > > > > > > > Dear Members. > > > > > > > > there were a few lapses by me in the past few months I am told that a few members have criticised readings of fellow astrologers and called them quacks, this is sad for anyone. > > > > > > > > LAPSE IS DUE TO NOT READING ALL UNMODERATED MESSAGES but I request members to bring any such instances will take corrective steps > > > > > > > > in mean time i still own the moral responsiblity for such hurt sentiments of fellow astrologers in this forum. My sincere apologies to them. > > > > > > > > JYOTISH IS A V VAST subject and with its wide spread acorss this big country and research on its use in other parts of the world as well, we have a lot of information to share, know, update ourselves > > > > > > > > WE MUST LEARN TO AGREE TO DISAGREE > > > > > > > > WE CAN POST ON A QUERY WITH AS MANY VIEWS FROM DIFFERENT ASTROLOGERS > > > > forums r not a market place so one persons reply is not to be answered by others > > > > > > > > by our own variety we can enhance the subject > > > > (in my case as u all know i use raman's ayanamsa for my castings, readings-different from others RRji uses something closer to it) > > > > > > > > BUT > > > > > > > > NEVER Criticized ANY ONES READING > > > > > > > > WHEREVER POSSIBLE OFFER ANALYSIS in simple terms, not al can read the technical stuff, but occassionally doing a detailed reading will surely show new members how to work on such subjects > > > > > > > > I fondly remember Sri Vattem Krishna ji doing a Prasna and a chart reading sid by side and giving a consolidated reading, which we do in a face to face sitting not in groups, at times only i have done this > > > > > > > > the depth of the subject is wide spread and in souther states is used well say Kerala has many diversie aspects stil intact and the Prashna concepts is deeply well rooted. similalry the mantra, tantra also > > > > > > > > some tantric part the Easternm N Eastern states r good. > > > > > > > > and many great astrologers who will never be seen in public come for villages who live a modest life and help people with much more purity, clarity > > > > > > > > so let us share what we can as freely as possible > > > > > > > > and I appreciate the co-peration I got, get from all of u till date without which it would not have been possible to carry on this demanding role > > > > > > > > I did not want to be seen as a hard natured, or dictatorial one and have given even my cirits as much space as possible even carried their grivances from other forums here esp the free reading shoopers who use and throw our hard work > > > > > > > > I wish there was no abuses on the lines of anti-national activities this pains us more than other abuses. > > > > > > > > Prashant > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 My real name is Gurushanker. I know Kanchi Paramacharya, I have met the great soul personally. I love truth. At this age, I know how to judge people. PhD genetics is not needed for astrology. I also have an elite academic record. I first caught her red handed when she posted the answer to a chart after the answer was disclosed. That was cheating 1. Her faithful supporters stood by her even then. There was aother quiz, in which I also participated. I got the anwer to the quiz correct. She was 100% wrong in that prediction. She cast a prashna, that was 100% wrong. On internet you cannot cast any prashna, it requires to be truthful and righteous to practise prashna techniques. However, she interpreted the chart correct on some aspects. The poster and her faithful bad of supporters started praising her. They did not even acknowldege my anwers. Then this boy- she predicted from his blogspot. It was no quiz. Whenever, I read the AIA messages, I can feel the air of dishonesty and cheating. I have better things to do than to dig out her ugly past from that groups. I am not member in other groups, maybe she is cheating there also. If you remove, internet, google, JHora, I doubt whether she will be able to do manual charts. She is a new breed of internet astrologer Sincerely, Gurushanker , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Member > > if this ur REAL name it is strange, this was last used for the previous Shankaracharya of Kanchi. this apart > > what makes u feel she can; or she can't one prediction alone is not the rightway to judge ANYONE EVEN CAST SUCH ASPERSTIONS > > this is not what u called her faitful support after u saw the how she was painting me this group, well it is her own autobiographical note more than anything else. I have given her hypcritical side other day when she refused to do anythong on my case in the form with many moderators who allow abuses on anyone they don't like freely and they r not allowed to even defend themselves. We have given them more than they ever deserved over here > > I am breeching my own rule step one and step two > will be the charge it I must say that has PUSHED ME TO ALLOW THIS is linking me/us with whatver she has done good or abd, as of now i can't dismiss her prediction unless u show more cases preferably in their groups > or other NUTERAL groups like jyotish shastra, jyotish group. > > Prashant > > > > ________________________________ > guruparamacharya <guruparamacharya > > Wednesday, July 29, 2009 3:20:56 AM > Re: Bhaskra Ji's Ban Msg no 62647 > > > Ms Renu, > > Who told you she is good in prediction. She is cheating people on predictions. I witnessed the whole issue. You belong to her faithful team of false supporters. To be false is a sin, to support somebody false is greater than sin itself. > > Recently, she predicted profession for a boy even though he did not ask for it.(she was 99% accurate) He wanted to know about his spiritual life only. That boy was posting messages along with his blogspot link. His blogspot shows his profession and details. How did she predict that the boy will work with virus in particular. The blogspot had a link on " Avianflu virus " , this woman predicted that the boy is working with virus > > All the rishis will curse you for cheating the public. > > It is upto moderator/owner to pass this message. I am an old man. I am sure after reading this message, they will cancel my membership there. They are all cheats > > Sincerely, > Gurushanker > , " renunw " <renunw@> wrote: > > > > Dear Tanvir ji, > > > > I have been a silent observer of this drama. Yet, it hurts when a good soul like Neelam ji is being insulted. > > > > //Trust me... you can be a better writer than astrologer!/ / > > > > Trust me, Tanvir ji ...she can be both! In fact her predictions and analyses have been accurate almost on all occasions. It is a blessing that she is a gifted writer too, as her write-ups are a treat to the reader. She is an excellent teacher as she can convey her message with clarity and logically to us the learners. > > > > I am not surprised that many envy a gifted lady like Neelam ji. > > > > blessings, > > > > Renu > > > > , " Tanvir Chowdhury " <lord_rex@> wrote: > > > > > > Revered Neelam Ji > > > > > > You surely have a lot of spare time spent after the invalueable promotional work of Jyotish. > > > > > > Have you been a student of literate? Trust me... you can be a better writer than astrologer! > > > > > > Sadly... we will miss your artistic messages here in JR. > > > > > > Goodbye > > > Tanvir > > > > > > > > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta106@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Mr. Moderator (Prashant Kumar), > > > > > > > > With deep regret and sadness, I have to say that you have written a page of shameful history for Jyotish Remedies, once again! Once again you’ve shown how a whole community can be doomed under a worthless leadership. Once again, you have missed the opportunity to rise above your brazen self, and see some light! A group, which I was told was propounded by some greats and great astrology happened here, is wrecked by you once again! > > > > > > > > This is like razing the Bamiyan! The worst horrendous act coming from someone who calls himself a Brahmin and Jyotish! I was warned by every well-wisher not to expect any thing good from a person like you. But my belief in humanity and goodness of all human beings made me think otherwise and I really thought peace could prevail and the jyotish-fraternity could be one and standing tall. That is why I dared to waste my time talking and explaining things to you! But those well wishers were surely much wiser and experienced! > > > > > > > > What is the reason behind this banning of a respectable astrologer like Bhaskar ji, can you explain? When he has extended his hand of friendship and cooperation, why have you shown this appalling behaviour! Is this group your personal property where you may not allow some persons to enter, on your whims and fancies? Which member of JR, of any standing, had publicly asked you to ban Mr Bhaskar? Can you show evidence? If group owner demands this, let him post his command with reasons and explanations. Where is the command from high command? Which policies allow abusive mails from selective IDs? > > > > > > > > How can your reputed and respected astrologers breathe in this stinking sty! You have shown them the way out now! > > > > > > > > Stop kidding yourself about the 10K membership. Seekers come and go, but there are not more than 10 astrologers active in the group and there are no discussions of any worth. > > > > > > > > Not that it matters, and not that you were any of the reasons for my joining this group, I am leaving your group now! I do not wish to be a part of this group manned by such a pathetic moderator! Thanks for showing everyone your ugly face, a bane for Jyotish! > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> > > > > > > > > Monday, 27 July, 2009 7:23:09 PM > > > > Re: Bhaskra Ji's Ban Msg no 62647 > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj, > > > > > > > > Well u must see msg no 62647 that is what it is about not our past quarrelle, remember despite of our personal differences that come and go we do chat/talk as any normal peron does > > > > > > > > But the political overtones which could have gone to the member concerned than the group gas warrented this a few group onweers advice apart from the ESTABLISHED GROUP POLICIES. > > > > > > > > Prashant > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > > > > > > Monday, July 27, 2009 7:03:22 PM > > > > Bhaskra Ji's Ban > > > > > > > > Dear Prashant Ji, > > > > > > > > You have uncermoniously banned Bhaskar Ji from this Group. Yet you allowed some outsider to hurl all sorts of abuses on him and on this group. You have failed to act in a fair and just manner. There is a very high moral threshold for those in authority. Especially a Moderator has to hold that ground. > > > > > > > > In good concience can you say you have done that? Is this the type of democracy that you claim to uphold? A strong man is the one who lends his hand towards reconciliation. Bhaskar Ji has done that. Another strong man is the one who accepts this reconcilliation and moves forward. > > > > > > > > So all these years you have not banned him for heaping " alleged abuses " on you, but, now all of a sudden you have banned him? That too when he is trying to put that past behind? What are you afraid of? Are you afraid of peace? Do you prefer this constant battle and back and forth and mud slinging? > > > > > > > > Jyotish is a divine science. If Jyotishis do not show the higher road and rise above their passions who will? What is the point in doling out advice when one cannot follow it one self? > > > > > > > > Today is a sad day for JR and the entire astrology community. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > > > > jyotish remedies <> > > > > Monday, July 27, 2009 3:53:53 AM > > > > My lapses- moral responsiblity 27/7 > > > > > > > > Dear Members. > > > > > > > > there were a few lapses by me in the past few months I am told that a few members have criticised readings of fellow astrologers and called them quacks, this is sad for anyone. > > > > > > > > LAPSE IS DUE TO NOT READING ALL UNMODERATED MESSAGES but I request members to bring any such instances will take corrective steps > > > > > > > > in mean time i still own the moral responsiblity for such hurt sentiments of fellow astrologers in this forum. My sincere apologies to them. > > > > > > > > JYOTISH IS A V VAST subject and with its wide spread acorss this big country and research on its use in other parts of the world as well, we have a lot of information to share, know, update ourselves > > > > > > > > WE MUST LEARN TO AGREE TO DISAGREE > > > > > > > > WE CAN POST ON A QUERY WITH AS MANY VIEWS FROM DIFFERENT ASTROLOGERS > > > > forums r not a market place so one persons reply is not to be answered by others > > > > > > > > by our own variety we can enhance the subject > > > > (in my case as u all know i use raman's ayanamsa for my castings, readings-different from others RRji uses something closer to it) > > > > > > > > BUT > > > > > > > > NEVER Criticized ANY ONES READING > > > > > > > > WHEREVER POSSIBLE OFFER ANALYSIS in simple terms, not al can read the technical stuff, but occassionally doing a detailed reading will surely show new members how to work on such subjects > > > > > > > > I fondly remember Sri Vattem Krishna ji doing a Prasna and a chart reading sid by side and giving a consolidated reading, which we do in a face to face sitting not in groups, at times only i have done this > > > > > > > > the depth of the subject is wide spread and in souther states is used well say Kerala has many diversie aspects stil intact and the Prashna concepts is deeply well rooted. similalry the mantra, tantra also > > > > > > > > some tantric part the Easternm N Eastern states r good. > > > > > > > > and many great astrologers who will never be seen in public come for villages who live a modest life and help people with much more purity, clarity > > > > > > > > so let us share what we can as freely as possible > > > > > > > > and I appreciate the co-peration I got, get from all of u till date without which it would not have been possible to carry on this demanding role > > > > > > > > I did not want to be seen as a hard natured, or dictatorial one and have given even my cirits as much space as possible even carried their grivances from other forums here esp the free reading shoopers who use and throw our hard work > > > > > > > > I wish there was no abuses on the lines of anti-national activities this pains us more than other abuses. > > > > > > > > Prashant > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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