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Dear Manoj,

 

Well u must see msg no 62647 that is what it is about not our past quarrelle,

remember despite of our personal differences that come and go we do chat/talk as

any normal peron does

 

But the political overtones which could have gone to the member concerned than

the group gas warrented this a few group onweers advice apart from the

ESTABLISHED GROUP POLICIES.

 

 

Prashant

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj

 

Monday, July 27, 2009 7:03:22 PM

Bhaskra Ji's Ban

 

 

Dear Prashant Ji,

 

You have uncermoniously banned Bhaskar Ji from this Group. Yet you allowed some

outsider to hurl all sorts of abuses on him and on this group. You have failed

to act in a fair and just manner. There is a very high moral threshold for those

in authority. Especially a Moderator has to hold that ground.

 

In good concience can you say you have done that? Is this the type of democracy

that you claim to uphold? A strong man is the one who lends his hand towards

reconciliation. Bhaskar Ji has done that. Another strong man is the one who

accepts this reconcilliation and moves forward.

 

So all these years you have not banned him for heaping " alleged abuses " on you,

but, now all of a sudden you have banned him? That too when he is trying to put

that past behind? What are you afraid of? Are you afraid of peace? Do you prefer

this constant battle and back and forth and mud slinging?

 

Jyotish is a divine science. If Jyotishis do not show the higher road and rise

above their passions who will? What is the point in doling out advice when one

cannot follow it one self?

 

Today is a sad day for JR and the entire astrology community.

 

Regards,

-Manoj

 

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

jyotish remedies <>

Monday, July 27, 2009 3:53:53 AM

My lapses- moral responsiblity 27/7

 

 

Dear Members.

 

there were a few lapses by me in the past few months I am told that a few

members have criticised readings of fellow astrologers and called them quacks,

this is sad for anyone.

 

LAPSE IS DUE TO NOT READING ALL UNMODERATED MESSAGES but I request members to

bring any such instances will take corrective steps

 

in mean time i still own the moral responsiblity for such hurt sentiments of

fellow astrologers in this forum. My sincere apologies to them.

 

JYOTISH IS A V VAST subject and with its wide spread acorss this big country and

research on its use in other parts of the world as well, we have a lot of

information to share, know, update ourselves

 

WE MUST LEARN TO AGREE TO DISAGREE

 

WE CAN POST ON A QUERY WITH AS MANY VIEWS FROM DIFFERENT ASTROLOGERS

forums r not a market place so one persons reply is not to be answered by others

 

by our own variety we can enhance the subject

(in my case as u all know i use raman's ayanamsa for my castings,

readings-different from others RRji uses something closer to it)

 

BUT

 

NEVER Criticized ANY ONES READING

 

WHEREVER POSSIBLE OFFER ANALYSIS in simple terms, not al can read the technical

stuff, but occassionally doing a detailed reading will surely show new members

how to work on such subjects

 

I fondly remember Sri Vattem Krishna ji doing a Prasna and a chart reading sid

by side and giving a consolidated reading, which we do in a face to face sitting

not in groups, at times only i have done this

 

the depth of the subject is wide spread and in souther states is used well say

Kerala has many diversie aspects stil intact and the Prashna concepts is deeply

well rooted. similalry the mantra, tantra also

 

some tantric part the Easternm N Eastern states r good.

 

and many great astrologers who will never be seen in public come for villages

who live a modest life and help people with much more purity, clarity

 

so let us share what we can as freely as possible

 

and I appreciate the co-peration I got, get from all of u till date without

which it would not have been possible to carry on this demanding role

 

I did not want to be seen as a hard natured, or dictatorial one and have given

even my cirits as much space as possible even carried their grivances from other

forums here esp the free reading shoopers who use and throw our hard work

 

I wish there was no abuses on the lines of anti-national activities this pains

us more than other abuses.

 

Prashant

 

 

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Mr. Moderator (Prashant Kumar),

 

With deep regret and sadness, I have to say that you have written a page of

shameful history for Jyotish Remedies, once again! Once again you’ve shown how

a whole community can be doomed under a worthless leadership. Once again, you

have missed the opportunity to rise above your brazen self, and see some light!

A group, which I was told was propounded by some greats and great astrology

happened here, is wrecked by you once again!

 

This is like razing the Bamiyan! The worst horrendous act coming from someone

who calls himself a Brahmin and Jyotish! I was warned by every well-wisher not

to expect any thing good from a person like you. But my belief in humanity and

goodness of all human beings made me think otherwise and I really thought peace

could prevail and the jyotish-fraternity could be one and standing tall. That is

why I dared to waste my time talking and explaining things to you! But those

well wishers were surely much wiser and experienced!

 

What is the reason behind this banning of a respectable astrologer like Bhaskar

ji, can you explain? When he has extended his hand of friendship and

cooperation, why have you shown this appalling behaviour! Is this group your

personal property where you may not allow some persons to enter, on your whims

and fancies? Which member of JR, of any standing, had publicly asked you to ban

Mr Bhaskar? Can you show evidence? If group owner demands this, let him post his

command with reasons and explanations. Where is the command from high command?

Which policies allow abusive mails from selective IDs?

 

How can your reputed and respected astrologers breathe in this stinking sty! You

have shown them the way out now!

 

Stop kidding yourself about the 10K membership. Seekers come and go, but there

are not more than 10 astrologers active in the group and there are no

discussions of any worth.

 

Not that it matters, and not that you were any of the reasons for my joining

this group, I am leaving your group now! I do not wish to be a part of this

group manned by such a pathetic moderator! Thanks for showing everyone your ugly

face, a bane for Jyotish!

 

Neelam

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

 

Monday, 27 July, 2009 7:23:09 PM

Re: Bhaskra Ji's Ban Msg no 62647

 

 

Dear Manoj,

 

Well u must see msg no 62647 that is what it is about not our past quarrelle,

remember despite of our personal differences that come and go we do chat/talk as

any normal peron does

 

But the political overtones which could have gone to the member concerned than

the group gas warrented this a few group onweers advice apart from the

ESTABLISHED GROUP POLICIES.

 

Prashant

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

 

Monday, July 27, 2009 7:03:22 PM

Bhaskra Ji's Ban

 

Dear Prashant Ji,

 

You have uncermoniously banned Bhaskar Ji from this Group. Yet you allowed some

outsider to hurl all sorts of abuses on him and on this group. You have failed

to act in a fair and just manner. There is a very high moral threshold for those

in authority. Especially a Moderator has to hold that ground.

 

In good concience can you say you have done that? Is this the type of democracy

that you claim to uphold? A strong man is the one who lends his hand towards

reconciliation. Bhaskar Ji has done that. Another strong man is the one who

accepts this reconcilliation and moves forward.

 

So all these years you have not banned him for heaping " alleged abuses " on you,

but, now all of a sudden you have banned him? That too when he is trying to put

that past behind? What are you afraid of? Are you afraid of peace? Do you prefer

this constant battle and back and forth and mud slinging?

 

Jyotish is a divine science. If Jyotishis do not show the higher road and rise

above their passions who will? What is the point in doling out advice when one

cannot follow it one self?

 

Today is a sad day for JR and the entire astrology community.

 

Regards,

-Manoj

 

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

jyotish remedies <>

Monday, July 27, 2009 3:53:53 AM

My lapses- moral responsiblity 27/7

 

Dear Members.

 

there were a few lapses by me in the past few months I am told that a few

members have criticised readings of fellow astrologers and called them quacks,

this is sad for anyone.

 

LAPSE IS DUE TO NOT READING ALL UNMODERATED MESSAGES but I request members to

bring any such instances will take corrective steps

 

in mean time i still own the moral responsiblity for such hurt sentiments of

fellow astrologers in this forum. My sincere apologies to them.

 

JYOTISH IS A V VAST subject and with its wide spread acorss this big country and

research on its use in other parts of the world as well, we have a lot of

information to share, know, update ourselves

 

WE MUST LEARN TO AGREE TO DISAGREE

 

WE CAN POST ON A QUERY WITH AS MANY VIEWS FROM DIFFERENT ASTROLOGERS

forums r not a market place so one persons reply is not to be answered by others

 

by our own variety we can enhance the subject

(in my case as u all know i use raman's ayanamsa for my castings,

readings-different from others RRji uses something closer to it)

 

BUT

 

NEVER Criticized ANY ONES READING

 

WHEREVER POSSIBLE OFFER ANALYSIS in simple terms, not al can read the technical

stuff, but occassionally doing a detailed reading will surely show new members

how to work on such subjects

 

I fondly remember Sri Vattem Krishna ji doing a Prasna and a chart reading sid

by side and giving a consolidated reading, which we do in a face to face sitting

not in groups, at times only i have done this

 

the depth of the subject is wide spread and in souther states is used well say

Kerala has many diversie aspects stil intact and the Prashna concepts is deeply

well rooted. similalry the mantra, tantra also

 

some tantric part the Easternm N Eastern states r good.

 

and many great astrologers who will never be seen in public come for villages

who live a modest life and help people with much more purity, clarity

 

so let us share what we can as freely as possible

 

and I appreciate the co-peration I got, get from all of u till date without

which it would not have been possible to carry on this demanding role

 

I did not want to be seen as a hard natured, or dictatorial one and have given

even my cirits as much space as possible even carried their grivances from other

forums here esp the free reading shoopers who use and throw our hard work

 

I wish there was no abuses on the lines of anti-national activities this pains

us more than other abuses.

 

Prashant

 

 

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Revered Neelam Ji

 

You surely have a lot of spare time spent after the invalueable promotional work

of Jyotish.

 

Have you been a student of literate? Trust me... you can be a better writer than

astrologer!

 

Sadly... we will miss your artistic messages here in JR.

 

Goodbye

Tanvir

 

 

, neelam gupta <neelamgupta106

wrote:

>

> Mr. Moderator (Prashant Kumar),

>

> With deep regret and sadness, I have to say that you have written a page of

shameful history for Jyotish Remedies, once again! Once again you’ve shown how

a whole community can be doomed under a worthless leadership. Once again, you

have missed the opportunity to rise above your brazen self, and see some light!

A group, which I was told was propounded by some greats and great astrology

happened here, is wrecked by you once again!

>

> This is like razing the Bamiyan! The worst horrendous act coming from someone

who calls himself a Brahmin and Jyotish! I was warned by every well-wisher not

to expect any thing good from a person like you. But my belief in humanity and

goodness of all human beings made me think otherwise and I really thought peace

could prevail and the jyotish-fraternity could be one and standing tall. That is

why I dared to waste my time talking and explaining things to you! But those

well wishers were surely much wiser and experienced!

>

> What is the reason behind this banning of a respectable astrologer like

Bhaskar ji, can you explain? When he has extended his hand of friendship and

cooperation, why have you shown this appalling behaviour! Is this group your

personal property where you may not allow some persons to enter, on your whims

and fancies? Which member of JR, of any standing, had publicly asked you to ban

Mr Bhaskar? Can you show evidence? If group owner demands this, let him post his

command with reasons and explanations. Where is the command from high command?

Which policies allow abusive mails from selective IDs?

>

> How can your reputed and respected astrologers breathe in this stinking sty!

You have shown them the way out now!

>

> Stop kidding yourself about the 10K membership. Seekers come and go, but there

are not more than 10 astrologers active in the group and there are no

discussions of any worth.

>

> Not that it matters, and not that you were any of the reasons for my joining

this group, I am leaving your group now! I do not wish to be a part of this

group manned by such a pathetic moderator! Thanks for showing everyone your ugly

face, a bane for Jyotish!

>

> Neelam

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

>

> Monday, 27 July, 2009 7:23:09 PM

> Re: Bhaskra Ji's Ban Msg no 62647

>

>

> Dear Manoj,

>

> Well u must see msg no 62647 that is what it is about not our past quarrelle,

remember despite of our personal differences that come and go we do chat/talk as

any normal peron does

>

> But the political overtones which could have gone to the member concerned than

the group gas warrented this a few group onweers advice apart from the

ESTABLISHED GROUP POLICIES.

>

> Prashant

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

>

> Monday, July 27, 2009 7:03:22 PM

> Bhaskra Ji's Ban

>

> Dear Prashant Ji,

>

> You have uncermoniously banned Bhaskar Ji from this Group. Yet you allowed

some outsider to hurl all sorts of abuses on him and on this group. You have

failed to act in a fair and just manner. There is a very high moral threshold

for those in authority. Especially a Moderator has to hold that ground.

>

> In good concience can you say you have done that? Is this the type of

democracy that you claim to uphold? A strong man is the one who lends his hand

towards reconciliation. Bhaskar Ji has done that. Another strong man is the one

who accepts this reconcilliation and moves forward.

>

> So all these years you have not banned him for heaping " alleged abuses " on

you, but, now all of a sudden you have banned him? That too when he is trying to

put that past behind? What are you afraid of? Are you afraid of peace? Do you

prefer this constant battle and back and forth and mud slinging?

>

> Jyotish is a divine science. If Jyotishis do not show the higher road and rise

above their passions who will? What is the point in doling out advice when one

cannot follow it one self?

>

> Today is a sad day for JR and the entire astrology community.

>

> Regards,

> -Manoj

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

> jyotish remedies <>

> Monday, July 27, 2009 3:53:53 AM

> My lapses- moral responsiblity 27/7

>

> Dear Members.

>

> there were a few lapses by me in the past few months I am told that a few

members have criticised readings of fellow astrologers and called them quacks,

this is sad for anyone.

>

> LAPSE IS DUE TO NOT READING ALL UNMODERATED MESSAGES but I request members to

bring any such instances will take corrective steps

>

> in mean time i still own the moral responsiblity for such hurt sentiments of

fellow astrologers in this forum. My sincere apologies to them.

>

> JYOTISH IS A V VAST subject and with its wide spread acorss this big country

and research on its use in other parts of the world as well, we have a lot of

information to share, know, update ourselves

>

> WE MUST LEARN TO AGREE TO DISAGREE

>

> WE CAN POST ON A QUERY WITH AS MANY VIEWS FROM DIFFERENT ASTROLOGERS

> forums r not a market place so one persons reply is not to be answered by

others

>

> by our own variety we can enhance the subject

> (in my case as u all know i use raman's ayanamsa for my castings,

readings-different from others RRji uses something closer to it)

>

> BUT

>

> NEVER Criticized ANY ONES READING

>

> WHEREVER POSSIBLE OFFER ANALYSIS in simple terms, not al can read the

technical stuff, but occassionally doing a detailed reading will surely show new

members how to work on such subjects

>

> I fondly remember Sri Vattem Krishna ji doing a Prasna and a chart reading sid

by side and giving a consolidated reading, which we do in a face to face sitting

not in groups, at times only i have done this

>

> the depth of the subject is wide spread and in souther states is used well say

Kerala has many diversie aspects stil intact and the Prashna concepts is deeply

well rooted. similalry the mantra, tantra also

>

> some tantric part the Easternm N Eastern states r good.

>

> and many great astrologers who will never be seen in public come for villages

who live a modest life and help people with much more purity, clarity

>

> so let us share what we can as freely as possible

>

> and I appreciate the co-peration I got, get from all of u till date without

which it would not have been possible to carry on this demanding role

>

> I did not want to be seen as a hard natured, or dictatorial one and have given

even my cirits as much space as possible even carried their grivances from other

forums here esp the free reading shoopers who use and throw our hard work

>

> I wish there was no abuses on the lines of anti-national activities this pains

us more than other abuses.

>

> Prashant

>

>

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Dear Tanvir ji,

 

I have been a silent observer of this drama. Yet, it hurts when a good soul like

Neelam ji is being insulted.

 

//Trust me... you can be a better writer than astrologer!//

 

Trust me, Tanvir ji ...she can be both! In fact her predictions and analyses

have been accurate almost on all occasions. It is a blessing that she is a

gifted writer too, as her write-ups are a treat to the reader. She is an

excellent teacher as she can convey her message with clarity and logically to us

the learners.

 

I am not surprised that many envy a gifted lady like Neelam ji.

 

blessings,

 

Renu

 

, " Tanvir Chowdhury " <lord_rex

wrote:

>

> Revered Neelam Ji

>

> You surely have a lot of spare time spent after the invalueable promotional

work of Jyotish.

>

> Have you been a student of literate? Trust me... you can be a better writer

than astrologer!

>

> Sadly... we will miss your artistic messages here in JR.

>

> Goodbye

> Tanvir

>

>

> , neelam gupta <neelamgupta106@> wrote:

> >

> > Mr. Moderator (Prashant Kumar),

> >

> > With deep regret and sadness, I have to say that you have written a page of

shameful history for Jyotish Remedies, once again! Once again you’ve shown how

a whole community can be doomed under a worthless leadership. Once again, you

have missed the opportunity to rise above your brazen self, and see some light!

A group, which I was told was propounded by some greats and great astrology

happened here, is wrecked by you once again!

> >

> > This is like razing the Bamiyan! The worst horrendous act coming from

someone who calls himself a Brahmin and Jyotish! I was warned by every

well-wisher not to expect any thing good from a person like you. But my belief

in humanity and goodness of all human beings made me think otherwise and I

really thought peace could prevail and the jyotish-fraternity could be one and

standing tall. That is why I dared to waste my time talking and explaining

things to you! But those well wishers were surely much wiser and experienced!

> >

> > What is the reason behind this banning of a respectable astrologer like

Bhaskar ji, can you explain? When he has extended his hand of friendship and

cooperation, why have you shown this appalling behaviour! Is this group your

personal property where you may not allow some persons to enter, on your whims

and fancies? Which member of JR, of any standing, had publicly asked you to ban

Mr Bhaskar? Can you show evidence? If group owner demands this, let him post his

command with reasons and explanations. Where is the command from high command?

Which policies allow abusive mails from selective IDs?

> >

> > How can your reputed and respected astrologers breathe in this stinking sty!

You have shown them the way out now!

> >

> > Stop kidding yourself about the 10K membership. Seekers come and go, but

there are not more than 10 astrologers active in the group and there are no

discussions of any worth.

> >

> > Not that it matters, and not that you were any of the reasons for my joining

this group, I am leaving your group now! I do not wish to be a part of this

group manned by such a pathetic moderator! Thanks for showing everyone your ugly

face, a bane for Jyotish!

> >

> > Neelam

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@>

> >

> > Monday, 27 July, 2009 7:23:09 PM

> > Re: Bhaskra Ji's Ban Msg no 62647

> >

> >

> > Dear Manoj,

> >

> > Well u must see msg no 62647 that is what it is about not our past

quarrelle, remember despite of our personal differences that come and go we do

chat/talk as any normal peron does

> >

> > But the political overtones which could have gone to the member concerned

than the group gas warrented this a few group onweers advice apart from the

ESTABLISHED GROUP POLICIES.

> >

> > Prashant

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> >

> > Monday, July 27, 2009 7:03:22 PM

> > Bhaskra Ji's Ban

> >

> > Dear Prashant Ji,

> >

> > You have uncermoniously banned Bhaskar Ji from this Group. Yet you allowed

some outsider to hurl all sorts of abuses on him and on this group. You have

failed to act in a fair and just manner. There is a very high moral threshold

for those in authority. Especially a Moderator has to hold that ground.

> >

> > In good concience can you say you have done that? Is this the type of

democracy that you claim to uphold? A strong man is the one who lends his hand

towards reconciliation. Bhaskar Ji has done that. Another strong man is the one

who accepts this reconcilliation and moves forward.

> >

> > So all these years you have not banned him for heaping " alleged abuses " on

you, but, now all of a sudden you have banned him? That too when he is trying to

put that past behind? What are you afraid of? Are you afraid of peace? Do you

prefer this constant battle and back and forth and mud slinging?

> >

> > Jyotish is a divine science. If Jyotishis do not show the higher road and

rise above their passions who will? What is the point in doling out advice when

one cannot follow it one self?

> >

> > Today is a sad day for JR and the entire astrology community.

> >

> > Regards,

> > -Manoj

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

> > jyotish remedies <>

> > Monday, July 27, 2009 3:53:53 AM

> > My lapses- moral responsiblity 27/7

> >

> > Dear Members.

> >

> > there were a few lapses by me in the past few months I am told that a few

members have criticised readings of fellow astrologers and called them quacks,

this is sad for anyone.

> >

> > LAPSE IS DUE TO NOT READING ALL UNMODERATED MESSAGES but I request members

to bring any such instances will take corrective steps

> >

> > in mean time i still own the moral responsiblity for such hurt sentiments of

fellow astrologers in this forum. My sincere apologies to them.

> >

> > JYOTISH IS A V VAST subject and with its wide spread acorss this big country

and research on its use in other parts of the world as well, we have a lot of

information to share, know, update ourselves

> >

> > WE MUST LEARN TO AGREE TO DISAGREE

> >

> > WE CAN POST ON A QUERY WITH AS MANY VIEWS FROM DIFFERENT ASTROLOGERS

> > forums r not a market place so one persons reply is not to be answered by

others

> >

> > by our own variety we can enhance the subject

> > (in my case as u all know i use raman's ayanamsa for my castings,

readings-different from others RRji uses something closer to it)

> >

> > BUT

> >

> > NEVER Criticized ANY ONES READING

> >

> > WHEREVER POSSIBLE OFFER ANALYSIS in simple terms, not al can read the

technical stuff, but occassionally doing a detailed reading will surely show new

members how to work on such subjects

> >

> > I fondly remember Sri Vattem Krishna ji doing a Prasna and a chart reading

sid by side and giving a consolidated reading, which we do in a face to face

sitting not in groups, at times only i have done this

> >

> > the depth of the subject is wide spread and in souther states is used well

say Kerala has many diversie aspects stil intact and the Prashna concepts is

deeply well rooted. similalry the mantra, tantra also

> >

> > some tantric part the Easternm N Eastern states r good.

> >

> > and many great astrologers who will never be seen in public come for

villages who live a modest life and help people with much more purity, clarity

> >

> > so let us share what we can as freely as possible

> >

> > and I appreciate the co-peration I got, get from all of u till date without

which it would not have been possible to carry on this demanding role

> >

> > I did not want to be seen as a hard natured, or dictatorial one and have

given even my cirits as much space as possible even carried their grivances from

other forums here esp the free reading shoopers who use and throw our hard work

> >

> > I wish there was no abuses on the lines of anti-national activities this

pains us more than other abuses.

> >

> > Prashant

> >

> >

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Ms Renu,

 

Who told you she is good in prediction. She is cheating people on predictions. I

witnessed the whole issue. You belong to her faithful team of false supporters.

To be false is a sin, to support somebody false is greater than sin itself.

 

Recently, she predicted profession for a boy even though he did not ask for

it.(she was 99% accurate) He wanted to know about his spiritual life only. That

boy was posting messages along with his blogspot link. His blogspot shows his

profession and details. How did she predict that the boy will work with virus in

particular. The blogspot had a link on " Avianflu virus " , this woman predicted

that the boy is working with virus

 

All the rishis will curse you for cheating the public.

 

It is upto moderator/owner to pass this message. I am an old man. I am sure

after reading this message, they will cancel my membership there. They are all

cheats

 

Sincerely,

Gurushanker

, " renunw " <renunw wrote:

>

> Dear Tanvir ji,

>

> I have been a silent observer of this drama. Yet, it hurts when a good soul

like Neelam ji is being insulted.

>

> //Trust me... you can be a better writer than astrologer!//

>

> Trust me, Tanvir ji ...she can be both! In fact her predictions and analyses

have been accurate almost on all occasions. It is a blessing that she is a

gifted writer too, as her write-ups are a treat to the reader. She is an

excellent teacher as she can convey her message with clarity and logically to us

the learners.

>

> I am not surprised that many envy a gifted lady like Neelam ji.

>

> blessings,

>

> Renu

>

> , " Tanvir Chowdhury " <lord_rex@> wrote:

> >

> > Revered Neelam Ji

> >

> > You surely have a lot of spare time spent after the invalueable promotional

work of Jyotish.

> >

> > Have you been a student of literate? Trust me... you can be a better writer

than astrologer!

> >

> > Sadly... we will miss your artistic messages here in JR.

> >

> > Goodbye

> > Tanvir

> >

> >

> > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta106@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Mr. Moderator (Prashant Kumar),

> > >

> > > With deep regret and sadness, I have to say that you have written a page

of shameful history for Jyotish Remedies, once again! Once again you’ve shown

how a whole community can be doomed under a worthless leadership. Once again,

you have missed the opportunity to rise above your brazen self, and see some

light! A group, which I was told was propounded by some greats and great

astrology happened here, is wrecked by you once again!

> > >

> > > This is like razing the Bamiyan! The worst horrendous act coming from

someone who calls himself a Brahmin and Jyotish! I was warned by every

well-wisher not to expect any thing good from a person like you. But my belief

in humanity and goodness of all human beings made me think otherwise and I

really thought peace could prevail and the jyotish-fraternity could be one and

standing tall. That is why I dared to waste my time talking and explaining

things to you! But those well wishers were surely much wiser and experienced!

> > >

> > > What is the reason behind this banning of a respectable astrologer like

Bhaskar ji, can you explain? When he has extended his hand of friendship and

cooperation, why have you shown this appalling behaviour! Is this group your

personal property where you may not allow some persons to enter, on your whims

and fancies? Which member of JR, of any standing, had publicly asked you to ban

Mr Bhaskar? Can you show evidence? If group owner demands this, let him post his

command with reasons and explanations. Where is the command from high command?

Which policies allow abusive mails from selective IDs?

> > >

> > > How can your reputed and respected astrologers breathe in this stinking

sty! You have shown them the way out now!

> > >

> > > Stop kidding yourself about the 10K membership. Seekers come and go, but

there are not more than 10 astrologers active in the group and there are no

discussions of any worth.

> > >

> > > Not that it matters, and not that you were any of the reasons for my

joining this group, I am leaving your group now! I do not wish to be a part of

this group manned by such a pathetic moderator! Thanks for showing everyone your

ugly face, a bane for Jyotish!

> > >

> > > Neelam

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@>

> > >

> > > Monday, 27 July, 2009 7:23:09 PM

> > > Re: Bhaskra Ji's Ban Msg no 62647

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Manoj,

> > >

> > > Well u must see msg no 62647 that is what it is about not our past

quarrelle, remember despite of our personal differences that come and go we do

chat/talk as any normal peron does

> > >

> > > But the political overtones which could have gone to the member concerned

than the group gas warrented this a few group onweers advice apart from the

ESTABLISHED GROUP POLICIES.

> > >

> > > Prashant

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > >

> > > Monday, July 27, 2009 7:03:22 PM

> > > Bhaskra Ji's Ban

> > >

> > > Dear Prashant Ji,

> > >

> > > You have uncermoniously banned Bhaskar Ji from this Group. Yet you allowed

some outsider to hurl all sorts of abuses on him and on this group. You have

failed to act in a fair and just manner. There is a very high moral threshold

for those in authority. Especially a Moderator has to hold that ground.

> > >

> > > In good concience can you say you have done that? Is this the type of

democracy that you claim to uphold? A strong man is the one who lends his hand

towards reconciliation. Bhaskar Ji has done that. Another strong man is the one

who accepts this reconcilliation and moves forward.

> > >

> > > So all these years you have not banned him for heaping " alleged abuses " on

you, but, now all of a sudden you have banned him? That too when he is trying to

put that past behind? What are you afraid of? Are you afraid of peace? Do you

prefer this constant battle and back and forth and mud slinging?

> > >

> > > Jyotish is a divine science. If Jyotishis do not show the higher road and

rise above their passions who will? What is the point in doling out advice when

one cannot follow it one self?

> > >

> > > Today is a sad day for JR and the entire astrology community.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > -Manoj

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

> > > jyotish remedies <>

> > > Monday, July 27, 2009 3:53:53 AM

> > > My lapses- moral responsiblity 27/7

> > >

> > > Dear Members.

> > >

> > > there were a few lapses by me in the past few months I am told that a few

members have criticised readings of fellow astrologers and called them quacks,

this is sad for anyone.

> > >

> > > LAPSE IS DUE TO NOT READING ALL UNMODERATED MESSAGES but I request members

to bring any such instances will take corrective steps

> > >

> > > in mean time i still own the moral responsiblity for such hurt sentiments

of fellow astrologers in this forum. My sincere apologies to them.

> > >

> > > JYOTISH IS A V VAST subject and with its wide spread acorss this big

country and research on its use in other parts of the world as well, we have a

lot of information to share, know, update ourselves

> > >

> > > WE MUST LEARN TO AGREE TO DISAGREE

> > >

> > > WE CAN POST ON A QUERY WITH AS MANY VIEWS FROM DIFFERENT ASTROLOGERS

> > > forums r not a market place so one persons reply is not to be answered by

others

> > >

> > > by our own variety we can enhance the subject

> > > (in my case as u all know i use raman's ayanamsa for my castings,

readings-different from others RRji uses something closer to it)

> > >

> > > BUT

> > >

> > > NEVER Criticized ANY ONES READING

> > >

> > > WHEREVER POSSIBLE OFFER ANALYSIS in simple terms, not al can read the

technical stuff, but occassionally doing a detailed reading will surely show new

members how to work on such subjects

> > >

> > > I fondly remember Sri Vattem Krishna ji doing a Prasna and a chart reading

sid by side and giving a consolidated reading, which we do in a face to face

sitting not in groups, at times only i have done this

> > >

> > > the depth of the subject is wide spread and in souther states is used well

say Kerala has many diversie aspects stil intact and the Prashna concepts is

deeply well rooted. similalry the mantra, tantra also

> > >

> > > some tantric part the Easternm N Eastern states r good.

> > >

> > > and many great astrologers who will never be seen in public come for

villages who live a modest life and help people with much more purity, clarity

> > >

> > > so let us share what we can as freely as possible

> > >

> > > and I appreciate the co-peration I got, get from all of u till date

without which it would not have been possible to carry on this demanding role

> > >

> > > I did not want to be seen as a hard natured, or dictatorial one and have

given even my cirits as much space as possible even carried their grivances from

other forums here esp the free reading shoopers who use and throw our hard work

> > >

> > > I wish there was no abuses on the lines of anti-national activities this

pains us more than other abuses.

> > >

> > > Prashant

> > >

> > >

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if this ur REAL name it is strange, this was last used for the previous

Shankaracharya of Kanchi. this apart

 

what makes u feel she can; or she can't one prediction alone is not the rightway

to judge ANYONE EVEN CAST SUCH ASPERSTIONS

 

this is not what u called her faitful support after u saw the how she was

painting me this group, well it is her own autobiographical note more than

anything else. I have given her hypcritical side other day when she refused to

do anythong on my case in the form with many moderators who allow abuses on

anyone they don't like freely and they r not allowed to even defend themselves.

We have given them more than they ever deserved over here

 

I am breeching my own rule step one and step two

will be the charge it I must say that has PUSHED ME TO ALLOW THIS is linking

me/us with whatver she has done good or abd, as of now i can't dismiss her

prediction unless u show more cases preferably in their groups

or other NUTERAL groups like jyotish shastra, jyotish group.

 

Prashant

 

 

 

________________________________

guruparamacharya <guruparamacharya

 

Wednesday, July 29, 2009 3:20:56 AM

Re: Bhaskra Ji's Ban Msg no 62647

 

 

Ms Renu,

 

Who told you she is good in prediction. She is cheating people on predictions. I

witnessed the whole issue. You belong to her faithful team of false supporters.

To be false is a sin, to support somebody false is greater than sin itself.

 

Recently, she predicted profession for a boy even though he did not ask for

it.(she was 99% accurate) He wanted to know about his spiritual life only. That

boy was posting messages along with his blogspot link. His blogspot shows his

profession and details. How did she predict that the boy will work with virus in

particular. The blogspot had a link on " Avianflu virus " , this woman predicted

that the boy is working with virus

 

All the rishis will curse you for cheating the public.

 

It is upto moderator/owner to pass this message. I am an old man. I am sure

after reading this message, they will cancel my membership there. They are all

cheats

 

Sincerely,

Gurushanker

, " renunw " <renunw wrote:

>

> Dear Tanvir ji,

>

> I have been a silent observer of this drama. Yet, it hurts when a good soul

like Neelam ji is being insulted.

>

> //Trust me... you can be a better writer than astrologer!/ /

>

> Trust me, Tanvir ji ...she can be both! In fact her predictions and analyses

have been accurate almost on all occasions. It is a blessing that she is a

gifted writer too, as her write-ups are a treat to the reader. She is an

excellent teacher as she can convey her message with clarity and logically to us

the learners.

>

> I am not surprised that many envy a gifted lady like Neelam ji.

>

> blessings,

>

> Renu

>

> , " Tanvir Chowdhury " <lord_rex@>

wrote:

> >

> > Revered Neelam Ji

> >

> > You surely have a lot of spare time spent after the invalueable promotional

work of Jyotish.

> >

> > Have you been a student of literate? Trust me... you can be a better writer

than astrologer!

> >

> > Sadly... we will miss your artistic messages here in JR.

> >

> > Goodbye

> > Tanvir

> >

> >

> > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta106@ >

wrote:

> > >

> > > Mr. Moderator (Prashant Kumar),

> > >

> > > With deep regret and sadness, I have to say that you have written a page

of shameful history for Jyotish Remedies, once again! Once again you’ve

shown how a whole community can be doomed under a worthless leadership. Once

again, you have missed the opportunity to rise above your brazen self, and see

some light! A group, which I was told was propounded by some greats and great

astrology happened here, is wrecked by you once again!

> > >

> > > This is like razing the Bamiyan! The worst horrendous act coming from

someone who calls himself a Brahmin and Jyotish! I was warned by every

well-wisher not to expect any thing good from a person like you. But my belief

in humanity and goodness of all human beings made me think otherwise and I

really thought peace could prevail and the jyotish-fraternity could be one and

standing tall. That is why I dared to waste my time talking and explaining

things to you! But those well wishers were surely much wiser and experienced!

> > >

> > > What is the reason behind this banning of a respectable astrologer like

Bhaskar ji, can you explain? When he has extended his hand of friendship and

cooperation, why have you shown this appalling behaviour! Is this group your

personal property where you may not allow some persons to enter, on your whims

and fancies? Which member of JR, of any standing, had publicly asked you to ban

Mr Bhaskar? Can you show evidence? If group owner demands this, let him post his

command with reasons and explanations. Where is the command from high command?

Which policies allow abusive mails from selective IDs?

> > >

> > > How can your reputed and respected astrologers breathe in this stinking

sty! You have shown them the way out now!

> > >

> > > Stop kidding yourself about the 10K membership. Seekers come and go, but

there are not more than 10 astrologers active in the group and there are no

discussions of any worth.

> > >

> > > Not that it matters, and not that you were any of the reasons for my

joining this group, I am leaving your group now! I do not wish to be a part of

this group manned by such a pathetic moderator! Thanks for showing everyone your

ugly face, a bane for Jyotish!

> > >

> > > Neelam

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@>

> > >

> > > Monday, 27 July, 2009 7:23:09 PM

> > > Re: Bhaskra Ji's Ban Msg no 62647

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Manoj,

> > >

> > > Well u must see msg no 62647 that is what it is about not our past

quarrelle, remember despite of our personal differences that come and go we do

chat/talk as any normal peron does

> > >

> > > But the political overtones which could have gone to the member concerned

than the group gas warrented this a few group onweers advice apart from the

ESTABLISHED GROUP POLICIES.

> > >

> > > Prashant

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > >

> > > Monday, July 27, 2009 7:03:22 PM

> > > Bhaskra Ji's Ban

> > >

> > > Dear Prashant Ji,

> > >

> > > You have uncermoniously banned Bhaskar Ji from this Group. Yet you allowed

some outsider to hurl all sorts of abuses on him and on this group. You have

failed to act in a fair and just manner. There is a very high moral threshold

for those in authority. Especially a Moderator has to hold that ground.

> > >

> > > In good concience can you say you have done that? Is this the type of

democracy that you claim to uphold? A strong man is the one who lends his hand

towards reconciliation. Bhaskar Ji has done that. Another strong man is the one

who accepts this reconcilliation and moves forward.

> > >

> > > So all these years you have not banned him for heaping " alleged abuses " on

you, but, now all of a sudden you have banned him? That too when he is trying to

put that past behind? What are you afraid of? Are you afraid of peace? Do you

prefer this constant battle and back and forth and mud slinging?

> > >

> > > Jyotish is a divine science. If Jyotishis do not show the higher road and

rise above their passions who will? What is the point in doling out advice when

one cannot follow it one self?

> > >

> > > Today is a sad day for JR and the entire astrology community.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > -Manoj

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

> > > jyotish remedies <>

> > > Monday, July 27, 2009 3:53:53 AM

> > > My lapses- moral responsiblity 27/7

> > >

> > > Dear Members.

> > >

> > > there were a few lapses by me in the past few months I am told that a few

members have criticised readings of fellow astrologers and called them quacks,

this is sad for anyone.

> > >

> > > LAPSE IS DUE TO NOT READING ALL UNMODERATED MESSAGES but I request members

to bring any such instances will take corrective steps

> > >

> > > in mean time i still own the moral responsiblity for such hurt sentiments

of fellow astrologers in this forum. My sincere apologies to them.

> > >

> > > JYOTISH IS A V VAST subject and with its wide spread acorss this big

country and research on its use in other parts of the world as well, we have a

lot of information to share, know, update ourselves

> > >

> > > WE MUST LEARN TO AGREE TO DISAGREE

> > >

> > > WE CAN POST ON A QUERY WITH AS MANY VIEWS FROM DIFFERENT ASTROLOGERS

> > > forums r not a market place so one persons reply is not to be answered by

others

> > >

> > > by our own variety we can enhance the subject

> > > (in my case as u all know i use raman's ayanamsa for my castings,

readings-different from others RRji uses something closer to it)

> > >

> > > BUT

> > >

> > > NEVER Criticized ANY ONES READING

> > >

> > > WHEREVER POSSIBLE OFFER ANALYSIS in simple terms, not al can read the

technical stuff, but occassionally doing a detailed reading will surely show new

members how to work on such subjects

> > >

> > > I fondly remember Sri Vattem Krishna ji doing a Prasna and a chart reading

sid by side and giving a consolidated reading, which we do in a face to face

sitting not in groups, at times only i have done this

> > >

> > > the depth of the subject is wide spread and in souther states is used well

say Kerala has many diversie aspects stil intact and the Prashna concepts is

deeply well rooted. similalry the mantra, tantra also

> > >

> > > some tantric part the Easternm N Eastern states r good.

> > >

> > > and many great astrologers who will never be seen in public come for

villages who live a modest life and help people with much more purity, clarity

> > >

> > > so let us share what we can as freely as possible

> > >

> > > and I appreciate the co-peration I got, get from all of u till date

without which it would not have been possible to carry on this demanding role

> > >

> > > I did not want to be seen as a hard natured, or dictatorial one and have

given even my cirits as much space as possible even carried their grivances from

other forums here esp the free reading shoopers who use and throw our hard work

> > >

> > > I wish there was no abuses on the lines of anti-national activities this

pains us more than other abuses.

> > >

> > > Prashant

> > >

> > >

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Dear Guruparamacharya ji,

 

My answers in blue.

 

// Who told you she is good in prediction. //

 

No one needs to tell me. I have witnessed it. I don't accept anything on

hearsay unless I have solid proof.

 

//She is cheating people on predictions. //

 

The word cheating is not in her vocabulary. Why should she? For one to

cheat there should be some reason behind it. She has a doctorate in

Zoology and Genetics. She has her own business. Additionally she devotes

her time on women who have being cheated by society or affected by

natural calamities. She is financially stable. I think her devotion to

astrology is a God sent gift to people like us. She is not making money

out of it. If I remember well, according to another group classification

of astrologers, she belongs to the 'saatvik' group of astrologers.

 

On the other hand if she can be 100% accurate on all her predictions,

she is more or less similar to God himself. She is human and apt to make

mistakes. That does not mean she is cheating.

 

//I witnessed the whole issue. You belong to her faithful team of false

supporters. To be false is a sin, to support somebody false is greater

than sin itself. //

 

I am glad that you observe everything keenly. I belong to anyone who is

truthful and honest. I belong to the needy and helpless. May be, to

support somebody at fault is a sin. But who are you and I to judge who

is right and who is wrong? I support what I believe is right and that

too if I have ample evidence to satisfy my mind.

 

//Recently, she predicted profession for a boy even though he did not

ask for it.(she was 99% accurate) He wanted to know about his spiritual

life only. That boy was posting messages along with his blogspot link.

His blogspot shows his profession and details. How did she predict that

the boy will work with virus in particular. The blogspot had a link on

" Avianflu virus " , this woman predicted that the boy is working with

virus //

 

This boy had asked a reading on his profession. We all knew that he was

a doctor. So what is the big issue? She gave her opinion. If you are

really keen to read her analyses, and I am not surprised if you are,

since it is natural for anyone to get glued to her excellent write-ups,

I kindly suggest that you go through the past mails in AIA/JG and check

how accurate she had been.

 

//All the rishis will curse you for cheating the public.//

 

Sorry, I don't get affected by these. I am a Buddhist and we don't curse

anyone. Buddha never cursed even his arch enemy. On the contrary he

showed his compassion to them...And neither do I respect nor have faith

in any Rishis whose job is cursing people. A Rishi should be free from

such poisonous thoughts. Hence I do not call such person a Rishi.

 

//It is upto moderator/owner to pass this message. I am an old man. I am

sure after reading this message, they will cancel my membership there.

They are all cheats//

 

I am really sad to hear this. I thought with age one gains wisdom. My

father who is a very old man told me once, " never look for faults in

others- if you are good, the world will be good to you. " I think that

was what Neelam ji trying to do when Bhaskar ji's issue came. But how

very unfortunate that some did not get her good message? When one's mind

is busy looking for cheaters, one cannot think with clarity and wisdom.

 

It is a fact that AIA moderators are down to earth very good human

beings. This is a simple truth. This does not mean that moderators in

other groups are bad.

 

blessings,

 

Renu

 

, " guruparamacharya "

<guruparamacharya wrote:

>

> Ms Renu,

>

> Who told you she is good in prediction. She is cheating people on

predictions. I witnessed the whole issue. You belong to her faithful

team of false supporters. To be false is a sin, to support somebody

false is greater than sin itself.

>

> Recently, she predicted profession for a boy even though he did not

ask for it.(she was 99% accurate) He wanted to know about his spiritual

life only. That boy was posting messages along with his blogspot link.

His blogspot shows his profession and details. How did she predict that

the boy will work with virus in particular. The blogspot had a link on

" Avianflu virus " , this woman predicted that the boy is working with

virus

>

> All the rishis will curse you for cheating the public.

>

> It is upto moderator/owner to pass this message. I am an old man. I am

sure after reading this message, they will cancel my membership there.

They are all cheats

>

> Sincerely,

> Gurushanker

> , " renunw " renunw@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Tanvir ji,

> >

> > I have been a silent observer of this drama. Yet, it hurts when a

good soul like Neelam ji is being insulted.

> >

> > //Trust me... you can be a better writer than astrologer!//

> >

> > Trust me, Tanvir ji ...she can be both! In fact her predictions and

analyses have been accurate almost on all occasions. It is a blessing

that she is a gifted writer too, as her write-ups are a treat to the

reader. She is an excellent teacher as she can convey her message with

clarity and logically to us the learners.

> >

> > I am not surprised that many envy a gifted lady like Neelam ji.

> >

> > blessings,

> >

> > Renu

> >

> > , " Tanvir Chowdhury "

<lord_rex@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Revered Neelam Ji

> > >

> > > You surely have a lot of spare time spent after the invalueable

promotional work of Jyotish.

> > >

> > > Have you been a student of literate? Trust me... you can be a

better writer than astrologer!

> > >

> > > Sadly... we will miss your artistic messages here in JR.

> > >

> > > Goodbye

> > > Tanvir

> > >

> > >

> > > , neelam gupta

<neelamgupta106@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Mr. Moderator (Prashant Kumar),

> > > >

> > > > With deep regret and sadness, I have to say that you have

written a page of shameful history for Jyotish Remedies, once again!

Once again you’ve shown how a whole community can be doomed under

a worthless leadership. Once again, you have missed the opportunity to

rise above your brazen self, and see some light! A group, which I was

told was propounded by some greats and great astrology happened here, is

wrecked by you once again!

> > > >

> > > > This is like razing the Bamiyan! The worst horrendous act coming

from someone who calls himself a Brahmin and Jyotish! I was warned by

every well-wisher not to expect any thing good from a person like you.

But my belief in humanity and goodness of all human beings made me think

otherwise and I really thought peace could prevail and the

jyotish-fraternity could be one and standing tall. That is why I dared

to waste my time talking and explaining things to you! But those well

wishers were surely much wiser and experienced!

> > > >

> > > > What is the reason behind this banning of a respectable

astrologer like Bhaskar ji, can you explain? When he has extended his

hand of friendship and cooperation, why have you shown this appalling

behaviour! Is this group your personal property where you may not allow

some persons to enter, on your whims and fancies? Which member of JR, of

any standing, had publicly asked you to ban Mr Bhaskar? Can you show

evidence? If group owner demands this, let him post his command with

reasons and explanations. Where is the command from high command? Which

policies allow abusive mails from selective IDs?

> > > >

> > > > How can your reputed and respected astrologers breathe in this

stinking sty! You have shown them the way out now!

> > > >

> > > > Stop kidding yourself about the 10K membership. Seekers come and

go, but there are not more than 10 astrologers active in the group and

there are no discussions of any worth.

> > > >

> > > > Not that it matters, and not that you were any of the reasons

for my joining this group, I am leaving your group now! I do not wish to

be a part of this group manned by such a pathetic moderator! Thanks for

showing everyone your ugly face, a bane for Jyotish!

> > > >

> > > > Neelam

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@>

> > > >

> > > > Monday, 27 July, 2009 7:23:09 PM

> > > > Re: Bhaskra Ji's Ban Msg no 62647

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Manoj,

> > > >

> > > > Well u must see msg no 62647 that is what it is about not our

past quarrelle, remember despite of our personal differences that come

and go we do chat/talk as any normal peron does

> > > >

> > > > But the political overtones which could have gone to the member

concerned than the group gas warrented this a few group onweers advice

apart from the ESTABLISHED GROUP POLICIES.

> > > >

> > > > Prashant

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > > >

> > > > Monday, July 27, 2009 7:03:22 PM

> > > > Bhaskra Ji's Ban

> > > >

> > > > Dear Prashant Ji,

> > > >

> > > > You have uncermoniously banned Bhaskar Ji from this Group. Yet

you allowed some outsider to hurl all sorts of abuses on him and on this

group. You have failed to act in a fair and just manner. There is a very

high moral threshold for those in authority. Especially a Moderator has

to hold that ground.

> > > >

> > > > In good concience can you say you have done that? Is this the

type of democracy that you claim to uphold? A strong man is the one who

lends his hand towards reconciliation. Bhaskar Ji has done that. Another

strong man is the one who accepts this reconcilliation and moves

forward.

> > > >

> > > > So all these years you have not banned him for heaping " alleged

abuses " on you, but, now all of a sudden you have banned him? That too

when he is trying to put that past behind? What are you afraid of? Are

you afraid of peace? Do you prefer this constant battle and back and

forth and mud slinging?

> > > >

> > > > Jyotish is a divine science. If Jyotishis do not show the higher

road and rise above their passions who will? What is the point in doling

out advice when one cannot follow it one self?

> > > >

> > > > Today is a sad day for JR and the entire astrology community.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > -Manoj

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar >

> > > > jyotish remedies <>

> > > > Monday, July 27, 2009 3:53:53 AM

> > > > My lapses- moral responsiblity 27/7

> > > >

> > > > Dear Members.

> > > >

> > > > there were a few lapses by me in the past few months I am told

that a few members have criticised readings of fellow astrologers and

called them quacks, this is sad for anyone.

> > > >

> > > > LAPSE IS DUE TO NOT READING ALL UNMODERATED MESSAGES but I

request members to bring any such instances will take corrective steps

> > > >

> > > > in mean time i still own the moral responsiblity for such hurt

sentiments of fellow astrologers in this forum. My sincere apologies to

them.

> > > >

> > > > JYOTISH IS A V VAST subject and with its wide spread acorss this

big country and research on its use in other parts of the world as well,

we have a lot of information to share, know, update ourselves

> > > >

> > > > WE MUST LEARN TO AGREE TO DISAGREE

> > > >

> > > > WE CAN POST ON A QUERY WITH AS MANY VIEWS FROM DIFFERENT

ASTROLOGERS

> > > > forums r not a market place so one persons reply is not to be

answered by others

> > > >

> > > > by our own variety we can enhance the subject

> > > > (in my case as u all know i use raman's ayanamsa for my

castings, readings-different from others RRji uses something closer to

it)

> > > >

> > > > BUT

> > > >

> > > > NEVER Criticized ANY ONES READING

> > > >

> > > > WHEREVER POSSIBLE OFFER ANALYSIS in simple terms, not al can

read the technical stuff, but occassionally doing a detailed reading

will surely show new members how to work on such subjects

> > > >

> > > > I fondly remember Sri Vattem Krishna ji doing a Prasna and a

chart reading sid by side and giving a consolidated reading, which we do

in a face to face sitting not in groups, at times only i have done this

> > > >

> > > > the depth of the subject is wide spread and in souther states is

used well say Kerala has many diversie aspects stil intact and the

Prashna concepts is deeply well rooted. similalry the mantra, tantra

also

> > > >

> > > > some tantric part the Easternm N Eastern states r good.

> > > >

> > > > and many great astrologers who will never be seen in public come

for villages who live a modest life and help people with much more

purity, clarity

> > > >

> > > > so let us share what we can as freely as possible

> > > >

> > > > and I appreciate the co-peration I got, get from all of u till

date without which it would not have been possible to carry on this

demanding role

> > > >

> > > > I did not want to be seen as a hard natured, or dictatorial one

and have given even my cirits as much space as possible even carried

their grivances from other forums here esp the free reading shoopers who

use and throw our hard work

> > > >

> > > > I wish there was no abuses on the lines of anti-national

activities this pains us more than other abuses.

> > > >

> > > > Prashant

> > > >

> > > >

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My real name is Gurushanker. I know Kanchi Paramacharya, I have met the great

soul personally. I love truth. At this age, I know how to judge people. PhD

genetics is not needed for astrology. I also have an elite academic record.

 

I first caught her red handed when she posted the answer to a chart after the

answer was disclosed. That was cheating 1. Her faithful supporters stood by her

even then. There was aother quiz, in which I also participated. I got the anwer

to the quiz correct. She was 100% wrong in that prediction. She cast a prashna,

that was 100% wrong. On internet you cannot cast any prashna, it requires to be

truthful and righteous to practise prashna techniques. However, she interpreted

the chart correct on some aspects. The poster and her faithful bad of supporters

started praising her. They did not even acknowldege my anwers.

 

Then this boy- she predicted from his blogspot. It was no quiz. Whenever, I read

the AIA messages, I can feel the air of dishonesty and cheating. I have better

things to do than to dig out her ugly past from that groups. I am not member in

other groups, maybe she is cheating there also.

 

If you remove, internet, google, JHora, I doubt whether she will be able to do

manual charts. She is a new breed of internet astrologer

 

Sincerely,

Gurushanker

 

 

 

 

 

, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

wrote:

>

> Member

>

> if this ur REAL name it is strange, this was last used for the previous

Shankaracharya of Kanchi. this apart

>

> what makes u feel she can; or she can't one prediction alone is not the

rightway to judge ANYONE EVEN CAST SUCH ASPERSTIONS

>

> this is not what u called her faitful support after u saw the how she was

painting me this group, well it is her own autobiographical note more than

anything else. I have given her hypcritical side other day when she refused to

do anythong on my case in the form with many moderators who allow abuses on

anyone they don't like freely and they r not allowed to even defend themselves.

We have given them more than they ever deserved over here

>

> I am breeching my own rule step one and step two

> will be the charge it I must say that has PUSHED ME TO ALLOW THIS is linking

me/us with whatver she has done good or abd, as of now i can't dismiss her

prediction unless u show more cases preferably in their groups

> or other NUTERAL groups like jyotish shastra, jyotish group.

>

> Prashant

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> guruparamacharya <guruparamacharya

>

> Wednesday, July 29, 2009 3:20:56 AM

> Re: Bhaskra Ji's Ban Msg no 62647

>

>

> Ms Renu,

>

> Who told you she is good in prediction. She is cheating people on predictions.

I witnessed the whole issue. You belong to her faithful team of false

supporters. To be false is a sin, to support somebody false is greater than sin

itself.

>

> Recently, she predicted profession for a boy even though he did not ask for

it.(she was 99% accurate) He wanted to know about his spiritual life only. That

boy was posting messages along with his blogspot link. His blogspot shows his

profession and details. How did she predict that the boy will work with virus in

particular. The blogspot had a link on " Avianflu virus " , this woman predicted

that the boy is working with virus

>

> All the rishis will curse you for cheating the public.

>

> It is upto moderator/owner to pass this message. I am an old man. I am sure

after reading this message, they will cancel my membership there. They are all

cheats

>

> Sincerely,

> Gurushanker

> , " renunw " <renunw@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Tanvir ji,

> >

> > I have been a silent observer of this drama. Yet, it hurts when a good soul

like Neelam ji is being insulted.

> >

> > //Trust me... you can be a better writer than astrologer!/ /

> >

> > Trust me, Tanvir ji ...she can be both! In fact her predictions and analyses

have been accurate almost on all occasions. It is a blessing that she is a

gifted writer too, as her write-ups are a treat to the reader. She is an

excellent teacher as she can convey her message with clarity and logically to us

the learners.

> >

> > I am not surprised that many envy a gifted lady like Neelam ji.

> >

> > blessings,

> >

> > Renu

> >

> > , " Tanvir Chowdhury " <lord_rex@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Revered Neelam Ji

> > >

> > > You surely have a lot of spare time spent after the invalueable

promotional work of Jyotish.

> > >

> > > Have you been a student of literate? Trust me... you can be a better

writer than astrologer!

> > >

> > > Sadly... we will miss your artistic messages here in JR.

> > >

> > > Goodbye

> > > Tanvir

> > >

> > >

> > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta106@ >

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Mr. Moderator (Prashant Kumar),

> > > >

> > > > With deep regret and sadness, I have to say that you have written a page

of shameful history for Jyotish Remedies, once again! Once again you’ve

shown how a whole community can be doomed under a worthless leadership. Once

again, you have missed the opportunity to rise above your brazen self, and see

some light! A group, which I was told was propounded by some greats and great

astrology happened here, is wrecked by you once again!

> > > >

> > > > This is like razing the Bamiyan! The worst horrendous act coming from

someone who calls himself a Brahmin and Jyotish! I was warned by every

well-wisher not to expect any thing good from a person like you. But my belief

in humanity and goodness of all human beings made me think otherwise and I

really thought peace could prevail and the jyotish-fraternity could be one and

standing tall. That is why I dared to waste my time talking and explaining

things to you! But those well wishers were surely much wiser and experienced!

> > > >

> > > > What is the reason behind this banning of a respectable astrologer like

Bhaskar ji, can you explain? When he has extended his hand of friendship and

cooperation, why have you shown this appalling behaviour! Is this group your

personal property where you may not allow some persons to enter, on your whims

and fancies? Which member of JR, of any standing, had publicly asked you to ban

Mr Bhaskar? Can you show evidence? If group owner demands this, let him post his

command with reasons and explanations. Where is the command from high command?

Which policies allow abusive mails from selective IDs?

> > > >

> > > > How can your reputed and respected astrologers breathe in this stinking

sty! You have shown them the way out now!

> > > >

> > > > Stop kidding yourself about the 10K membership. Seekers come and go, but

there are not more than 10 astrologers active in the group and there are no

discussions of any worth.

> > > >

> > > > Not that it matters, and not that you were any of the reasons for my

joining this group, I am leaving your group now! I do not wish to be a part of

this group manned by such a pathetic moderator! Thanks for showing everyone your

ugly face, a bane for Jyotish!

> > > >

> > > > Neelam

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@>

> > > >

> > > > Monday, 27 July, 2009 7:23:09 PM

> > > > Re: Bhaskra Ji's Ban Msg no 62647

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Manoj,

> > > >

> > > > Well u must see msg no 62647 that is what it is about not our past

quarrelle, remember despite of our personal differences that come and go we do

chat/talk as any normal peron does

> > > >

> > > > But the political overtones which could have gone to the member

concerned than the group gas warrented this a few group onweers advice apart

from the ESTABLISHED GROUP POLICIES.

> > > >

> > > > Prashant

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > > >

> > > > Monday, July 27, 2009 7:03:22 PM

> > > > Bhaskra Ji's Ban

> > > >

> > > > Dear Prashant Ji,

> > > >

> > > > You have uncermoniously banned Bhaskar Ji from this Group. Yet you

allowed some outsider to hurl all sorts of abuses on him and on this group. You

have failed to act in a fair and just manner. There is a very high moral

threshold for those in authority. Especially a Moderator has to hold that

ground.

> > > >

> > > > In good concience can you say you have done that? Is this the type of

democracy that you claim to uphold? A strong man is the one who lends his hand

towards reconciliation. Bhaskar Ji has done that. Another strong man is the one

who accepts this reconcilliation and moves forward.

> > > >

> > > > So all these years you have not banned him for heaping " alleged abuses "

on you, but, now all of a sudden you have banned him? That too when he is trying

to put that past behind? What are you afraid of? Are you afraid of peace? Do you

prefer this constant battle and back and forth and mud slinging?

> > > >

> > > > Jyotish is a divine science. If Jyotishis do not show the higher road

and rise above their passions who will? What is the point in doling out advice

when one cannot follow it one self?

> > > >

> > > > Today is a sad day for JR and the entire astrology community.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > -Manoj

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

> > > > jyotish remedies <>

> > > > Monday, July 27, 2009 3:53:53 AM

> > > > My lapses- moral responsiblity 27/7

> > > >

> > > > Dear Members.

> > > >

> > > > there were a few lapses by me in the past few months I am told that a

few members have criticised readings of fellow astrologers and called them

quacks, this is sad for anyone.

> > > >

> > > > LAPSE IS DUE TO NOT READING ALL UNMODERATED MESSAGES but I request

members to bring any such instances will take corrective steps

> > > >

> > > > in mean time i still own the moral responsiblity for such hurt

sentiments of fellow astrologers in this forum. My sincere apologies to them.

> > > >

> > > > JYOTISH IS A V VAST subject and with its wide spread acorss this big

country and research on its use in other parts of the world as well, we have a

lot of information to share, know, update ourselves

> > > >

> > > > WE MUST LEARN TO AGREE TO DISAGREE

> > > >

> > > > WE CAN POST ON A QUERY WITH AS MANY VIEWS FROM DIFFERENT ASTROLOGERS

> > > > forums r not a market place so one persons reply is not to be answered

by others

> > > >

> > > > by our own variety we can enhance the subject

> > > > (in my case as u all know i use raman's ayanamsa for my castings,

readings-different from others RRji uses something closer to it)

> > > >

> > > > BUT

> > > >

> > > > NEVER Criticized ANY ONES READING

> > > >

> > > > WHEREVER POSSIBLE OFFER ANALYSIS in simple terms, not al can read the

technical stuff, but occassionally doing a detailed reading will surely show new

members how to work on such subjects

> > > >

> > > > I fondly remember Sri Vattem Krishna ji doing a Prasna and a chart

reading sid by side and giving a consolidated reading, which we do in a face to

face sitting not in groups, at times only i have done this

> > > >

> > > > the depth of the subject is wide spread and in souther states is used

well say Kerala has many diversie aspects stil intact and the Prashna concepts

is deeply well rooted. similalry the mantra, tantra also

> > > >

> > > > some tantric part the Easternm N Eastern states r good.

> > > >

> > > > and many great astrologers who will never be seen in public come for

villages who live a modest life and help people with much more purity, clarity

> > > >

> > > > so let us share what we can as freely as possible

> > > >

> > > > and I appreciate the co-peration I got, get from all of u till date

without which it would not have been possible to carry on this demanding role

> > > >

> > > > I did not want to be seen as a hard natured, or dictatorial one and have

given even my cirits as much space as possible even carried their grivances from

other forums here esp the free reading shoopers who use and throw our hard work

> > > >

> > > > I wish there was no abuses on the lines of anti-national activities this

pains us more than other abuses.

> > > >

> > > > Prashant

> > > >

> > > >

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