jyotish remedies

January 25, 2008

Aavesh Ji,

You said something about Types of Karmas, I have not done anything

seriously wrong in my knoledge, then why i loose everybody whom i

love... one by one, it's other thing that i have got strength ... to

tolerate ... but limit is a limit.

regards,

Lalit.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t

<aavesh_s wrote:

>

> Namskar RKDa,Nalini,Dheeraj and Group,

>

> Dheeraj has raised a very importnat topic which has relevance in

the competitive world of today.

>

> The issue of 'Remedial measures in Jyotish' (Upayes)

>

> In my experience, Upayes Certainly work

>

> The criterion applicable here is to understand the working of

Karma.

>

> Karma can be divided into 'Dhrida' and 'Adridha' Karma in general.

> Upayes work on the Adridha Karma (Karma which can be changed by

efforts)

>

> This is a huge subject in itself which requires thorough

understanding of Jyotish,Hindu Philosophy,Ayurveda and Yoga

>

> Nalini :You have made an interesting point vis-a-vis the ability

to bear sorrows.

>

> It would be wrong to blame 'Shani Maharaj' for all the sorrows

afflicting humankind today (Shani Maharaj is a teacher who metes out

sorrows in proportion to our Karmas)

>

> How we react to the sufferings is based on the soulic development

of the individual

>

> I will continue after getting reactions on the above

>

> Regards,

>

> aavesh

>

nalini swamy <nalini2818 wrote:

>

> Hare Rama Krsna

> Shree RK ji,

> Namaskar.

> Are you a lover of Greek (and Roman) tragedies as well??

> I loved the tragedies of Seneca above all.. probably proclivity

of Shani Maharaj..

> Wow what a world it(was addicted to Greek and Roman literature

since childhood) was which I hated to give up but had to after a

while but not before taking it up for study for my PG.

> Coming to Jyotish, is it not very akin to the fear the Greeks had

for 'hubris' and punishment from Gods??

> How and what could one do to dispel this fear of the planets???

> Is there really a remedy for the 'karma; accumulated or is the

remedy more a strengthening of the' free will' to weather the storm,

be more prepared for the onslaught, cling for life in the rapids, a

respite from sinking into the bog..

> How about the propensity of some 'charts' for suffering.. again a

proclivity of Shani Maharaj?

> When I used to live in Chennai, I sometimes wondered at the pure

laughter of my domestic help which rang out sometimes in the

neighbour's house where she lived?

> If difficulties form the soul boy, did she not have her fair

share then??

> What is it then that gives that 'pure joy' ?It is not absence of

difficulties then..

> it is something that emerges from inside which is irrelevent to

suffering, difficulties, penury, disease, worry?

> Or was that contentment.. no no it could not be for she was

forever trying to make ends meet, poor mite!!!

> Shani Maharaj even if he gives suffering also tempers the 'steel'

and also insulates it so that further shocks do not break the

core.Who knows he may even make the native a sucker for 'tragedies'

preparing him/her to 'enjoy' the tragedies that life may unfold. I am

not being flippant here but probably better replace 'enjoy'

with 'grin and bear'.

> I would love to participate in this thread if I may, and sorry RK

ji, for intruding..

>

> Regards

> Nalini

>

> rk dash <arkaydash

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> Friday, 25 January, 2008 4:23:22 AM

> Re: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] remedy experiences ---litsol

>

> Considerable idea, Shree Dheeraj.

> We hope we should be able to organise this kind of discussion

here. The very fact of remedy being a source of ware-hawking is sort

of preventing as much quality discussion of the discipline as we

should be doing. 'Remdial jyotish' has, ironically, poked The Eye of

Knowledge in its very eyes. I mean even non-remedial astrology has

contracted the craze for happiness-shaping, like lifestyle-shaping.

But there should be room for some ways out of the whiplashes. Well,

sometimes karma unrolls that way.

>

> A line by Seneca comes to mind: 'Difficulties strengthen the

mind, as does labour the body.' If we push the Western classical

drift further, we can say: Yes, difficulties form the soul.

>

> But we need respite. Or do we need a good time in the name of

absence of difficulties? Member Aavesh will add his reflections to

this thread.

>

> RK

>

> On 24/01/2008, DHEERAJ KHOSLA <khosladheeraj@ >

wrote: Namaste Litsol and others,

>

> Please do a study and research on

> remedies of astrological combinations. i mean to say peoples

> experiences about worships . Like curses - where a planet is

> afflicted by two malefics or three malefics . how many days ,

> how many malas etc.. to get relief.

>

> How many jataks in actual

> life have experiences of betterment after performing remedies.?

>

> IS really can we alter our

> destiny?

> How to do different remedies , depending

> on intensity of afflictions rather doing zigzag mantras ?

>

> please give it a thought . a teamwork s required .

>

> thanks,

> dheeraj

>

Send instant messages to your online friends

http://au.messenger.

>

> With Best Wishes,

>

> aavesh

>

> Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive online.

>

January 25, 2008

Hare Rama Krsna

Aavesh ji, RK ji, Dheeraj ji and all,

Namaskar.

I would'nt dare attribute all suffering in mankind to Shani Maharaj, only in those charts which have 'his stamp'- propensity for sorrow, gloom, suffering, as you rightly said directly proportional to the accumulated(ing) Karma. It is just that He being a disciplinarian and a hard task master accomplishes this task more easily and readily.

My apologies if I had conveyed something other than what I intended to.

Also right is how we react to suffering, karma, is again a major factor, as pointed out by you, most people cry' why me' . But if suffering is seen as cleansing of the karma we would say, Thank God it is me, which is also relative to the 'evolution of the soul' and its progress towards its Destiny.

Each to his/her own I would say...

Regards

Nalini

aavesh t <aavesh_sVedic Astrologyandhealing Sent: Friday, 25 January, 2008 9:58:33 PM[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Jyotish Remedies

Namskar RKDa,Nalini, Dheeraj and Group,

Dheeraj has raised a very importnat topic which has relevance in the competitive world of today.

The issue of 'Remedial measures in Jyotish' (Upayes)

In my experience, Upayes Certainly work

The criterion applicable here is to understand the working of Karma.

Karma can be divided into 'Dhrida' and 'Adridha' Karma in general.

Upayes work on the Adridha Karma (Karma which can be changed by efforts)

This is a huge subject in itself which requires thorough understanding of Jyotish,Hindu Philosophy,Ayurveda and Yoga

Nalini :You have made an interesting point vis-a-vis the ability to bear sorrows.

It would be wrong to blame 'Shani Maharaj' for all the sorrows afflicting humankind today (Shani Maharaj is a teacher who metes out sorrows in proportion to our Karmas)

How we react to the sufferings is based on the soulic development of the individual

I will continue after getting reactions on the above

Regards,

aavesh

nalini swamy <nalini2818 > wrote:

Hare Rama Krsna

Shree RK ji,

Namaskar.

Are you a lover of Greek (and Roman) tragedies as well??

I loved the tragedies of Seneca above all.. probably proclivity of Shani Maharaj..

Wow what a world it(was addicted to Greek and Roman literature since childhood) was which I hated to give up but had to after a while but not before taking it up for study for my PG.

Coming to Jyotish, is it not very akin to the fear the Greeks had for 'hubris' and punishment from Gods??

How and what could one do to dispel this fear of the planets???

Is there really a remedy for the 'karma; accumulated or is the remedy more a strengthening of the' free will' to weather the storm, be more prepared for the onslaught, cling for life in the rapids, a respite from sinking into the bog..

How about the propensity of some 'charts' for suffering.. again a proclivity of Shani Maharaj?

When I used to live in Chennai, I sometimes wondered at the pure laughter of my domestic help which rang out sometimes in the neighbour's house where she lived?

If difficulties form the soul boy, did she not have her fair share then??

What is it then that gives that 'pure joy' ?It is not absence of difficulties then..

it is something that emerges from inside which is irrelevent to suffering, difficulties, penury, disease, worry?

Or was that contentment. . no no it could not be for she was forever trying to make ends meet, poor mite!!!

Shani Maharaj even if he gives suffering also tempers the 'steel' and also insulates it so that further shocks do not break the core.Who knows he may even make the native a sucker for 'tragedies' preparing him/her to 'enjoy' the tragedies that life may unfold. I am not being flippant here but probably better replace 'enjoy' with 'grin and bear'.

I would love to participate in this thread if I may, and sorry RK ji, for intruding..

Regards

Nalini

rk dash <arkaydash (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.comFriday, 25 January, 2008 4:23:22 AMRe: [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] remedy experiences ---litsol

Considerable idea, Shree Dheeraj.

We hope we should be able to organise this kind of discussion here. The very fact of remedy being a source of ware-hawking is sort of preventing as much quality discussion of the discipline as we should be doing. 'Remdial jyotish' has, ironically, poked The Eye of Knowledge in its very eyes. I mean even non-remedial astrology has contracted the craze for happiness-shaping, like lifestyle-shaping. But there should be room for some ways out of the whiplashes. Well, sometimes karma unrolls that way.

A line by Seneca comes to mind: 'Difficulties strengthen the mind, as does labour the body.' If we push the Western classical drift further, we can say: Yes, difficulties form the soul.

But we need respite. Or do we need a good time in the name of absence of difficulties? Member Aavesh will add his reflections to this thread.

RK

On 24/01/2008, DHEERAJ KHOSLA <khosladheeraj@ > wrote:

Namaste Litsol and others,Please do a study and research on remedies of astrological combinations. i mean to say peoples experiences about worships . Like curses - where a planet is afflicted by two malefics or three malefics . how many days , how many malas etc.. to get relief.How many jataks in actual life have experiences of betterment after performing remedies.?IS really can we alter our destiny?How to do different remedies , depending on intensity of afflictions rather doing zigzag mantras ?please give it a thought . a teamwork s required .thanks,dheeraj Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger .

With Best Wishes,

aavesh

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January 25, 2008

Hare Rama Krsna,

Dear Lalit ji,

Namaskar.

You asked Aavesh ji , true but since I had saved your birth details I just had a cursory glance( as it is 23.15 hrs here). Your UL has shani Maharaj, and is 12th to AL, the atma unconsciously rejects any proposals/relationships. The arudha pada of 7th also falls in Rishaba which is your UL.

I am attaching the chart, please confirm if the birth details are right.

Regards

Nalini

litsol <litsolVedic Astrologyandhealing Sent: Friday, 25 January, 2008 10:36:34 PM[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Jyotish Remedies

Aavesh Ji,You said something about Types of Karmas, I have not done anything seriously wrong in my knoledge, then why i loose everybody whom i love... one by one, it's other thing that i have got strength ... to tolerate ... but limit is a limit.regards,Lalit.Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, aavesh t <aavesh_s@.. .> wrote:>> Namskar RKDa,Nalini, Dheeraj and Group,> > Dheeraj has raised a very importnat topic which has relevance in the competitive world of today.> > The issue of 'Remedial measures in Jyotish' (Upayes)> > In my experience, Upayes Certainly work > > The criterion applicable here is to understand the working of Karma.> > Karma can be

divided into 'Dhrida' and 'Adridha' Karma in general.> Upayes work on the Adridha Karma (Karma which can be changed by efforts)> > This is a huge subject in itself which requires thorough understanding of Jyotish,Hindu Philosophy,Ayurveda and Yoga> > Nalini :You have made an interesting point vis-a-vis the ability to bear sorrows.> > It would be wrong to blame 'Shani Maharaj' for all the sorrows afflicting humankind today (Shani Maharaj is a teacher who metes out sorrows in proportion to our Karmas)> > How we react to the sufferings is based on the soulic development of the individual> > I will continue after getting reactions on the above> > Regards,> > aavesh> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nalini swamy <nalini2818@

....> wrote:> > Hare Rama Krsna> Shree RK ji,> Namaskar.> Are you a lover of Greek (and Roman) tragedies as well??> I loved the tragedies of Seneca above all.. probably proclivity of Shani Maharaj..> Wow what a world it(was addicted to Greek and Roman literature since childhood) was which I hated to give up but had to after a while but not before taking it up for study for my PG.> Coming to Jyotish, is it not very akin to the fear the Greeks had for 'hubris' and punishment from Gods??> How and what could one do to dispel this fear of the planets???> Is there really a remedy for the 'karma; accumulated or is the remedy more a strengthening of the' free will' to weather the storm, be more prepared for the onslaught, cling for life in the rapids, a respite from sinking into the bog..> How about the propensity of some 'charts' for suffering.. again a

proclivity of Shani Maharaj?> When I used to live in Chennai, I sometimes wondered at the pure laughter of my domestic help which rang out sometimes in the neighbour's house where she lived? > If difficulties form the soul boy, did she not have her fair share then??> What is it then that gives that 'pure joy' ?It is not absence of difficulties then..> it is something that emerges from inside which is irrelevent to suffering, difficulties, penury, disease, worry?> Or was that contentment. . no no it could not be for she was forever trying to make ends meet, poor mite!!!> Shani Maharaj even if he gives suffering also tempers the 'steel' and also insulates it so that further shocks do not break the core.Who knows he may even make the native a sucker for 'tragedies' preparing him/her to 'enjoy' the tragedies that life may unfold. I am not being flippant here but probably

better replace 'enjoy' with 'grin and bear'.> I would love to participate in this thread if I may, and sorry RK ji, for intruding..> > Regards> Nalini> > > > > rk dash <arkaydash@. ..>> Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> Friday, 25 January, 2008 4:23:22 AM> Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] remedy experiences ---litsol> > Considerable idea, Shree Dheeraj. > We hope we should be able to organise this kind of discussion here. The very fact of remedy being a source of ware-hawking is sort of preventing as much quality discussion of the discipline as we should be doing. 'Remdial jyotish' has, ironically, poked The Eye of

Knowledge in its very eyes. I mean even non-remedial astrology has contracted the craze for happiness-shaping, like lifestyle-shaping. But there should be room for some ways out of the whiplashes. Well, sometimes karma unrolls that way. > > A line by Seneca comes to mind: 'Difficulties strengthen the mind, as does labour the body.' If we push the Western classical drift further, we can say: Yes, difficulties form the soul. > > But we need respite. Or do we need a good time in the name of absence of difficulties? Member Aavesh will add his reflections to this thread.> > RK> > > On 24/01/2008, DHEERAJ KHOSLA <khosladheeraj@ > wrote: Namaste Litsol and others,> > Please do a study and research on > remedies of astrological combinations. i mean to say peoples > experiences about worships . Like curses - where a planet

is > afflicted by two malefics or three malefics . how many days , > how many malas etc.. to get relief.> > How many jataks in actual > life have experiences of betterment after performing remedies.?> > IS really can we alter our > destiny?> How to do different remedies , depending > on intensity of afflictions rather doing zigzag mantras ?> > please give it a thought . a teamwork s required .> > thanks,> dheeraj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger . > > > With Best Wishes,> > aavesh> > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> Forgot the famous

last words? Access your message archive online. >Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.

January 25, 2008

Derar Asvesh,

How can upaayas not work? They have to just as prayers do, I mean get answered. But the catch, I believe, is in prayer; that is to say, in remedies being prayerful or prayer-associated if not always exclusively prayer-based. Anything outside this liberal ambit is charlatanry, if not hokum. That is why exponents of 'graha ratna' enjoin abhimatraNa of stone before wearing. Now what happens when a gem is put to abhimatraNa? The so-called energisation of gems thru mantra is a feckless rationale that takes an amnesic detour of karmavad -- the underpining of astrology. It is not energisation that takes place, but a consecration of sorts where the ACT is expiation thru a plaint. In other words, prayer.

As for the categories of karma, I know of the three-fold categorisation. There is an intermediary variety, which is neither dridha nor adrudha. It is known as dridhaadridha. The term is such that we are given hints to understand it as 'that which is dridha as well as adridha'. Now, this ('as well as') is a very rife ground for the play of human drama. It is this category that actually forces humans to grapple with life -- grapple, indeed, with destiny. Once you are brought face to face with destiny you try to figure which are the variables and which the ineluctables. How does it matter whether it WAS hubris or hamartia? In the process (of grappling), some grow wings, some grow scales. But why attribute the latter to Saturn! That would be very shallow astrology.

More later,

RK

On 25/01/2008, aavesh t <aavesh_s wrote:

Namskar RKDa,Nalini,Dheeraj and Group,