Failing marriage - mutual separation, divorce or will the couple stay together?

[Guest guest]

Haven't had a great experience in getting response(s) to queries posted

in this forum as yet, but am am trying my luck again as the problem is

serious and the situation desparate:

 

Male: 11 Jan 1970; 15:10; Delhi

Female: 07 Nov 1970; 03:45; Kolkata

Date of marriage: 25 Nov 2003, Delhi

 

Right from the beginning of marital relationship, the female is not at

all keen on maintaining any relationship with in-laws and has made it

clear that she doesn't want to stay in the same house with in-laws. The

female doesn't even bother talking to the in-laws when they come to

visit their son & daughter-in-law. More recently, female has made her

intentions known that she is ready to leave the husband than live with

her in-laws.

 

Before any questions are raised on whether in-laws have treated the

female badly which has (or might have) led to such an attitiude towards

them (in-laws), I would like to confirm that the in-laws have never

(ever) mistreated the female, and sensing her dislike and acrimonious

attitude toward them have increased their distance with their own son in

the hope that doing so will perhaps make their son's family life

happier.

 

The male, the only child, has made numerous efforts over the years in an

attempt that his partner change her attitude towards his parents - but

in vain. As a result of the deteriorating family atmosphere since

marriage, repeated threats every now and then by the female to leave /

separate, the male is under tremendous stress and perhaps on the brink

of clinical depression.

 

For the male, his partner is as important as his aged parents and he is

fully committed in maintaining this marital relationship - unlike the

female partner. Deep down, he has accepted the relationship is doomed

and it is perhaps a question of time.

 

Would like to know from " learned " members if there are any grounds of

divorce / separation in either (or both) of the horoscopes. Please be

honest and frank with your answers. Even if there're bad news, do share

them. At least they will know what to expect.

 

Suggestions of any astral remedial measures to prevent or mitigate such

a situation / circumstances will be highly appreciated.

 

 

Thanks in advance!

 

 

regards

[Guest guest]

Dear mehata ji,

In all such cases supplementing facts like date of marriagee too is

necessary.NATURE OF THE BOY AND THE MARRIAGE r responsible for the state as of

now.

rahu with moon and mars and aspected by jupiter from 6th rahu nakshtra of

swati.A passive nature wirh retrigrade mercury and aspected by saturn,

compatability at the time of marriage seems to have been ognored as the girl

family is prior acquainted.

Not necessary for opting for divorce.The lady with some ondependence can

continue the relation.dasa of saturn is not really helping the boy

 

probably he needs some medical attention too for the marraige relation turn to

be more fruitful

vrkrishnan

 

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

 

 

--- On Mon, 8/3/09, sushdmehta <sushdmehta wrote:

 

 

sushdmehta <sushdmehta

Failing marriage - mutual separation, divorce or will the couple

stay together?

 

Monday, August 3, 2009, 7:16 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Haven't had a great experience in getting response(s) to queries posted

in this forum as yet, but am am trying my luck again as the problem is

serious and the situation desparate:

 

Male: 11 Jan 1970; 15:10; Delhi

Female: 07 Nov 1970; 03:45; Kolkata

Date of marriage: 25 Nov 2003, Delhi

 

Right from the beginning of marital relationship, the female is not at

all keen on maintaining any relationship with in-laws and has made it

clear that she doesn't want to stay in the same house with in-laws. The

female doesn't even bother talking to the in-laws when they come to

visit their son & daughter-in- law. More recently, female has made her

intentions known that she is ready to leave the husband than live with

her in-laws.

 

Before any questions are raised on whether in-laws have treated the

female badly which has (or might have) led to such an attitiude towards

them (in-laws), I would like to confirm that the in-laws have never

(ever) mistreated the female, and sensing her dislike and acrimonious

attitude toward them have increased their distance with their own son in

the hope that doing so will perhaps make their son's family life

happier.

 

The male, the only child, has made numerous efforts over the years in an

attempt that his partner change her attitude towards his parents - but

in vain. As a result of the deteriorating family atmosphere since

marriage, repeated threats every now and then by the female to leave /

separate, the male is under tremendous stress and perhaps on the brink

of clinical depression.

 

For the male, his partner is as important as his aged parents and he is

fully committed in maintaining this marital relationship - unlike the

female partner. Deep down, he has accepted the relationship is doomed

and it is perhaps a question of time.

 

Would like to know from " learned " members if there are any grounds of

divorce / separation in either (or both) of the horoscopes. Please be

honest and frank with your answers. Even if there're bad news, do share

them. At least they will know what to expect.

 

Suggestions of any astral remedial measures to prevent or mitigate such

a situation / circumstances will be highly appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance!

 

regards

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr Krishnan,

 

On the outset please accept my thanks for replying to the query.

 

The date of marriage of the couple and the city where the wedding took

place was mentioned in my earlier post ... 25 Nov 2003, Delhi. Not sure

if the following is relevant but since you have advised that

supplementing facts are necessary in analyzing such cases, I would like

to mention that the couple were married as per hindu / vedic rites on 25

Nov 2003 but were legally married (through commissioner of marriages)

on 11 Nov 2003 (Delhi). Please do let me know if you need any

other/additional specific information.

 

I will appreciate if you could elaborate on your following statements:-

 

1. " Compatability at the time of marriage seems to have been ignored as

the girl family is prior acquainted " - I didn't understand what you mean

by " girl family is prior acquainted " - if you mean that girls family and

boys family were known to each other before the marriage of children,

then the answer is - No. Please do share if you meant something else.

 

2. " The lady with some independence can continue the relation " - The

girl enjoys full independence both in her professional and personal

life, with absolutely no restrictions imposed on her by either her

in-laws or her partner. On the contrary, in-laws have encouraged her

professional growth and have never forced or expected the girl to

sacrifice her time on household chores or responsibilities, and the boy

infact has made a huge sacrifice professionally by leaving a highly paid

job in a top MNC - just to be with his partner in a different country

and provide her company so that she could complete her PG studies and

further her career. Ever since he has migrated to the new country, his

career has taken a nose-dive due to which he is greatly stressed

(understandably) and the increasing problems in the relationship are

pushing him towards serious depression. It wouldn't be wrong to say that

all he has expected from his partner in these years is the deserved

respect for his parents.

 

The boy is really keen to save the relationship and absolutely willing

to follow astral suggestions / do remedies with full dedication.

 

Will be greatful if you could take some time to analyze the boy's chart

and predict / advice regarding the boy's career.

 

regards

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99

wrote:

>

> Dear mehata ji,

> In all such cases supplementing facts like date of marriagee too is

necessary.NATURE OF THE BOY AND THE MARRIAGE r responsible for the state

as of now.

> rahu with moon and mars and aspected by jupiter from 6th rahu nakshtra

of swati.A passive nature wirh retrigrade mercury and aspected by

saturn,

> compatability at the time of marriage seems to have been ognored as

the girl family is prior acquainted.

> Not necessary for opting for divorce.The lady with some ondependence

can continue the relation.dasa of saturn is not really helping the boy

>

> probably he needs some medical attention too for the marraige relation

turn to be more fruitful

> vrkrishnan

>

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

>

>

> --- On Mon, 8/3/09, sushdmehta sushdmehta wrote:

>

>

> sushdmehta sushdmehta

> Failing marriage - mutual separation, divorce or will

the couple stay together?

>

> Monday, August 3, 2009, 7:16 AM

>

Haven't had a great experience in getting response(s) to queries

posted

> in this forum as yet, but am am trying my luck again as the problem is

> serious and the situation desparate:

>

> Male: 11 Jan 1970; 15:10; Delhi

> Female: 07 Nov 1970; 03:45; Kolkata

> Date of marriage: 25 Nov 2003, Delhi

>

> Right from the beginning of marital relationship, the female is not at

> all keen on maintaining any relationship with in-laws and has made it

> clear that she doesn't want to stay in the same house with in-laws.

The

> female doesn't even bother talking to the in-laws when they come to

> visit their son & daughter-in- law. More recently, female has made her

> intentions known that she is ready to leave the husband than live with

> her in-laws.

>

> Before any questions are raised on whether in-laws have treated the

> female badly which has (or might have) led to such an attitiude

towards

> them (in-laws), I would like to confirm that the in-laws have never

> (ever) mistreated the female, and sensing her dislike and acrimonious

> attitude toward them have increased their distance with their own son

in

> the hope that doing so will perhaps make their son's family life

> happier.

>

> The male, the only child, has made numerous efforts over the years in

an

> attempt that his partner change her attitude towards his parents - but

> in vain. As a result of the deteriorating family atmosphere since

> marriage, repeated threats every now and then by the female to leave /

> separate, the male is under tremendous stress and perhaps on the brink

> of clinical depression.

>

> For the male, his partner is as important as his aged parents and he

is

> fully committed in maintaining this marital relationship - unlike the

> female partner. Deep down, he has accepted the relationship is doomed

> and it is perhaps a question of time.

>

> Would like to know from " learned " members if there are any grounds of

> divorce / separation in either (or both) of the horoscopes. Please be

> honest and frank with your answers. Even if there're bad news, do

share

> them. At least they will know what to expect.

>

> Suggestions of any astral remedial measures to prevent or mitigate

such

> a situation / circumstances will be highly appreciated.

>

> Thanks in advance!

>

> regards

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

[Guest guest]

Namasthe,

 

If you are after an instant remedy as most people wants, then there is no point

in reading further.

 

This case in not uncommon in these days where commonsense, diplomacy, family

values are easily sidelined to give way to money, career, social image in the

guise of education and high class jobs. What those people who fall easy pray to

this whirlpool is that high-fly kites may get punctured easily and will come

down to earth one way or another.

 

The above is not just a general statement but also as seen from the horoscopes

of these couples. If only they had made clear of the expectations from both

sides, this would not have happened right after the marriage. However, can we

resist the fate? It is a different matter.

 

Now coming to the charts.

 

As Vr.Krishan Ji pointed out, it is true that these horoscopes do not match with

respect to what we in Kerala call as " Paapa Samya " – Matching of malefic planets

in both the charts.

 

Girls chart has

Virgo Lagna with Saturn in the 8th

Saturn in the 7th of Venus

Ketu in the 8th of Moon

 

That makes 2.5 malefic points.

 

Boys chart

7th from lagna is shudha

7th from venus is shudha

7th from moon is having Ketu

 

That makes 0.5 negative points. That is : girls has 2 malefic points more than

the boys. In short, the girls chart is considered very strong compared to the

boys. In Kerala, an astrologer if asked will never give his consent for this

union, but elsewhere the criteria's are different and hence the judgment.

 

The boys Chandra lagna is in the second of the girls, a single factor that shows

many financial and family based difficulties.

 

This is why I said more importance was given to factors other than astrological

matching.

 

However there is one little consolation.

 

His 7th house from lagna is having Shubha Madhya Sthithy – Benefic planets on

either side. This position of planets might be the basis on which any astrologer

could have given his consent hoping that it is powerful enough to save the

marriage. More over there are other factors which destines this marriage to

happen.

 

Ultimately it simply amounts to an act of fate. There are also other factors

that determined the fate of this partnership.

 

He got married in the

dasa of Rahu, Anthara of Rahu & Chidra of Ketu.

And hers was

Dasa of Rahu, Anthara of Mars & chidra of Saturn.

 

The above is a time when anyone should exercise caution and definitely not a

time for marriage.

 

The Marriage took place on 25-11-2003, Tuesday, Jyeshta nakshtra, ekargala dosha

and several other afflictions. There is no point bickering over the spilt milk.

 

Resolution:

 

Given that his Rahu dasa is still going till Apr-2010 just about 8 more months,

being educated and intelligent, I would advice not to take any drastic steps

even under provocation. Rahu-Mars period is called Sandhi period and is time

when one should exercise at-most caution in every thing including driving etc.

 

She is also going through the last leg of Jupiter dasa till 25-Jul-2010.

 

The strangest thing is, It is very difficult to predict what might happen during

the next dasa. Obviously her Maha dasa of debilated Saturn will not help much.

But aspect of sun His enemy and venus & Jupiter just might be enough to drive

away some of the aggression and drive in some sense of reality. Till that time

it is better to be cautious in dealing with the problem and let him also

understand this and not strain his emotion over his parents beyond a point of

no-return.

 

Considering the malefic influences (Venus along with Sun in the 8th and Jupiter

in the 6th & ketu in the 7th in the nakshatra of venus and venus navamsa) , it

would be good if you can conduct an Uma-Maheswara pooja in their name. It is

also better if they attend it. I believe there are facilities for conducting it

even in USA now-a-days.

 

So also pooja for Kalabhairava in her name particularly.

 

She has a tinge of " Pravajya yoga " though nullified by the aspect of Saturn and

moon in Saturn's sign aspected by Saturn will make her indifferent to some

aspects of life.

 

I hope this answer you question and helps you.

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " sushdmehta " <sushdmehta wrote:

>

>

> Dear Mr Krishnan,

>

> On the outset please accept my thanks for replying to the query.

>

> The date of marriage of the couple and the city where the wedding took

> place was mentioned in my earlier post ... 25 Nov 2003, Delhi. Not sure

> if the following is relevant but since you have advised that

> supplementing facts are necessary in analyzing such cases, I would like

> to mention that the couple were married as per hindu / vedic rites on 25

> Nov 2003 but were legally married (through commissioner of marriages)

> on 11 Nov 2003 (Delhi). Please do let me know if you need any

> other/additional specific information.

>

> I will appreciate if you could elaborate on your following statements:-

>

> 1. " Compatability at the time of marriage seems to have been ignored as

> the girl family is prior acquainted " - I didn't understand what you mean

> by " girl family is prior acquainted " - if you mean that girls family and

> boys family were known to each other before the marriage of children,

> then the answer is - No. Please do share if you meant something else.

>

> 2. " The lady with some independence can continue the relation " - The

> girl enjoys full independence both in her professional and personal

> life, with absolutely no restrictions imposed on her by either her

> in-laws or her partner. On the contrary, in-laws have encouraged her

> professional growth and have never forced or expected the girl to

> sacrifice her time on household chores or responsibilities, and the boy

> infact has made a huge sacrifice professionally by leaving a highly paid

> job in a top MNC - just to be with his partner in a different country

> and provide her company so that she could complete her PG studies and

> further her career. Ever since he has migrated to the new country, his

> career has taken a nose-dive due to which he is greatly stressed

> (understandably) and the increasing problems in the relationship are

> pushing him towards serious depression. It wouldn't be wrong to say that

> all he has expected from his partner in these years is the deserved

> respect for his parents.

>

> The boy is really keen to save the relationship and absolutely willing

> to follow astral suggestions / do remedies with full dedication.

>

> Will be greatful if you could take some time to analyze the boy's chart

> and predict / advice regarding the boy's career.

>

> regards

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear mehata ji,

> > In all such cases supplementing facts like date of marriagee too is

> necessary.NATURE OF THE BOY AND THE MARRIAGE r responsible for the state

> as of now.

> > rahu with moon and mars and aspected by jupiter from 6th rahu nakshtra

> of swati.A passive nature wirh retrigrade mercury and aspected by

> saturn,

> > compatability at the time of marriage seems to have been ognored as

> the girl family is prior acquainted.

> > Not necessary for opting for divorce.The lady with some ondependence

> can continue the relation.dasa of saturn is not really helping the boy

> >

> > probably he needs some medical attention too for the marraige relation

> turn to be more fruitful

> > vrkrishnan

> >

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> >

> >

> > --- On Mon, 8/3/09, sushdmehta sushdmehta@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > sushdmehta sushdmehta@

> > Failing marriage - mutual separation, divorce or will

> the couple stay together?

> >

> > Monday, August 3, 2009, 7:16 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Haven't had a great experience in getting response(s) to queries

> posted

> > in this forum as yet, but am am trying my luck again as the problem is

> > serious and the situation desparate:

> >

> > Male: 11 Jan 1970; 15:10; Delhi

> > Female: 07 Nov 1970; 03:45; Kolkata

> > Date of marriage: 25 Nov 2003, Delhi

> >

> > Right from the beginning of marital relationship, the female is not at

> > all keen on maintaining any relationship with in-laws and has made it

> > clear that she doesn't want to stay in the same house with in-laws.

> The

> > female doesn't even bother talking to the in-laws when they come to

> > visit their son & daughter-in- law. More recently, female has made her

> > intentions known that she is ready to leave the husband than live with

> > her in-laws.

> >

> > Before any questions are raised on whether in-laws have treated the

> > female badly which has (or might have) led to such an attitiude

> towards

> > them (in-laws), I would like to confirm that the in-laws have never

> > (ever) mistreated the female, and sensing her dislike and acrimonious

> > attitude toward them have increased their distance with their own son

> in

> > the hope that doing so will perhaps make their son's family life

> > happier.

> >

> > The male, the only child, has made numerous efforts over the years in

> an

> > attempt that his partner change her attitude towards his parents - but

> > in vain. As a result of the deteriorating family atmosphere since

> > marriage, repeated threats every now and then by the female to leave /

> > separate, the male is under tremendous stress and perhaps on the brink

> > of clinical depression.

> >

> > For the male, his partner is as important as his aged parents and he

> is

> > fully committed in maintaining this marital relationship - unlike the

> > female partner. Deep down, he has accepted the relationship is doomed

> > and it is perhaps a question of time.

> >

> > Would like to know from " learned " members if there are any grounds of

> > divorce / separation in either (or both) of the horoscopes. Please be

> > honest and frank with your answers. Even if there're bad news, do

> share

> > them. At least they will know what to expect.

> >

> > Suggestions of any astral remedial measures to prevent or mitigate

> such

> > a situation / circumstances will be highly appreciated.

> >

> > Thanks in advance!

> >

> > regards

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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