Guest guest Posted August 8, 2009 Report Share Posted August 8, 2009 Dear All I am sending you a small article on the Navagraha Khsetras of Tamilnadu. Our Great Sages experainced lord all over Bharatavarsha and requested him to be present there. Their penance, Their Yantra and Prana pradishta are felt even today. Hence these kshetras had continuous pujas for centuries. Also are glorified by the Tamil saints in Thevaram. ( Thevaram is on Lord Siva and Divyaprabandam is on Vishnu.) You need to visit atleast once in your life time. Extreme case you can outsource the Pujas. The dewasthanams of these temples are well maintained and sincerely perform pujas and you can approach them directly for the conduct of any Pujas. Please mail me if you want to know anything further on these temple. Regards Sankar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2009 Report Share Posted August 8, 2009 you have missed the attachment  detailsbelow  Start from Chidambaram       Mangal Vaitheswaran Temple 25 KM Budha Thiruvenkadu 10 Km from Vaitheswaran Temple towards Nagapatnam Ketu Keezh Perumballam Another 6 Kms Sun Sorriyanar Koil 30 Kms from Vaitheeswaran koil - on the way to Kumabakonam Sukra Kanjanur 3 km from sooryanar koil  Reach Kumabakonam - another 12 kms Raghu Tirunageswaram 6 kms from Kumbakonam Moon Thingalur 30 Kms from Kumbakonam on the way to Thiruvaiyaru Saturn Thirunallaru 45 kms from kumbakonam on the way to Karaikal Guru Alangudi 20 kms from Kumbakonam - Dakshinamoorthy Guru Thittai 40 Kms from Kumbakonam on the way to Tanjore.Brahaspathi  Navagraha Khestras  From Chennai you can first reach Chidambaram ( Famous Natraj temple) and start covering the places. If you start from Trichy, then start from Tanjore on the reverse order.  Vaitheswaran Temple: Glorified by the 6th Century Thevaram, the Tamil name of the temple is Pulirukkuveluer. Ie Pul + Irukku + Vel + ur. Ur is village. Pul is bird, here Jadayu, Irukku is Rig Veda, Vel is lord Muruga. This temple is worshipped by Jadayu, Rig Veda and Lord Muruga.  Legend is when the world was suffering with health problem, Shiva and Parvathy came as a doctor couples. Hence the name Vaidhyanatha to the lord and the town is now called in lord’s name. The theertha is called Sidhamirtha theertha and bathing in the tank and worshipping god and goddess cures one from all health problems. Lord Mangal had his curse cured here and has a separate shrine in the outer prahara. Sthala vriksha is neem.  Thiruvenkadu: Thiru is Sri, Ven is white and kadu is forest. Swetharanyam in Sanskrit. Glorified in Thevaram and Valmiki Ramayana. When Ram, Lakshman and Seetha were bathing in Godavari and coming out in aranya kanda, valmiki says it looked like Lord Shiva and Parvathi walking with Nandhi leading the way in Swetharanya Kshetra.  Here there are three theerthas and bathing in all three theerthas is important. There is a Vadaranya and shradh can be performed like the brahmakapala. Lord is in 3 forms here Shiva, Nataraja and Agoraveerabhadra. Hence 3 tanks and 3 sthala vriksha.  Budha got his nabumsak curse cured and has a separate shrine in the outer prahara.   Kil perumballam. This shiva temple has a separate Ketu shrine and ketu had his curse cured here. This temple is not glorified in thevara. Infact the Thirukketheswaram in Srilanka is glorified in thevaram as the temple worshipped by Ketu. If possible Thirukketheswaram should be worshipped .The Kilperumpallam temple though not glorified in thevaram is definitely of before 6th century origin. Sun: Sooriyanar Koil: Sooriyan is Sun in Tamil. This is actually 2 temples. The Shiva temple is called Thirumanagalakudi glorified in thevaram ( it is just opposite to the Sun temple) and the Navagraha temple opposite to the Shiva temple.  Kalava Maharishi had Kushtarog and did a severe penance to Navagrahas. Navagrahas appeared before him and cured his Kushtarog. Since Navagraha’s duty is to give as per once karma and they donot have any right to cure anybody, they were cursed to have kushtarog.  The Navagrahas did severe penance to Pranavaradeswara at Thirumanagalkudi and lord cured their kushtarog. They were told to bless the people who worship him. The Navagrahas have a separate temple with Sun having the central shrine with his consorts, Bruhaspathi facing him and all the other seven surrounding him.  Sthala vriksha is Urga ( Erukku) and on Sundays eating curd rice in Urga leaf is supposed to cure disease.   Kanjanur: Here there is no separate Sukra shrine. Lord Vishnu during Vamanavatar, pierced the eyes of Sukra when he blocked Mahabali from giving the land to lord Vishnu. Vishnu worshipped lord Shiva ( Agneswara) for this Sukra dosha and hence this is a Sukra sthala. Glorified in Thevaram.  Raghu: Thirunageswaram as the name suggest worshipped by the serpent Raghu. Glorified in Thevaram lord Naganatha swamy is the presiding deity. There two shrines for Parvathy. Pirainudal kanni on whom the moons rays fall on Karthik Poornima and Girigujambiga who is having Lakshmi and Saraswathi on her both sides.  Raghu with his two consorts has a separate shrine in the outer prahara. Special poojas performed daily on Rahukalams with milk. The milk turns blue during and after abishekam.  Saturn:  Thirunallaru glorified in Thevaram. Thiru + Nal + Aru. Thiru is Sri, Nal is Nala and aru here is not river. It is cured. ( Arudal) Place where Nala was cured. When Nala had bath in the theertha ( called Nala theertha now) and entered the temple Saturn could not follow him and stayed out and thus Nala was cured by lord Sani. Lord Darbaranyeswara ( Sthala vriksha is Darba grass) and goddess Bogamartha Poon Mulaiyal . Saturn has a shrine at the entrance.  Taking an oil bath in Nala theertha and worshipping Lord Dharbaranyeswara and Saturn is advised for Sani dosha. On Saturdays there will be long queue and will take minimum 6 to 7 hours for darshan.  Moon: Thingalur, Thingal is moon in Tamil. The Thevaram of this temple is missing but there is a thevaram sung in this temple to cure a devotee’s snake bite by saint Appar is available. As the name indicates Chandra worshipped Lord and has a separate shrine.  Guru: Lord Guru has two temples both glorified by Thevaram. In Alangudi Apatsahyeswara temple, the Dakshinamoorthy is worshipped as Guru and in Thittai Vasishteswara temple Brahaspathi worshipped Shiva and has a separate shirine near lord himself.   When visiting these temples also Visit:  Chidambaram Natraja Temple Thiruvidaimarudhur Mahalingaswamy ( madyarjuna) Pattesswaram Durga Thirumananjeri ( Marriage Kshetra) Thirukkarukavur ( Garbarakshambiga for safe child birth) Meda Dakshinamoorthy in Mayuram Big temple in Tanjore and Gangai Konda Cholapuram  If possible to Srirangam and Thiruvanaikovil in Trichy.  Please Note:  The Lord is present in these Shrines for us and giving an easy remedy for lesser mortals like us. Since we could not do severe penance, he is present in these temples and by just having a darshan, we will be relieved. Our Rishis pradishta power, The Tamil saint’s thevara song power and lord’s grace has helped to sustain this. You will really feel the lord in all these kshetras and the radiance .  Many are visiting as a one day picnic and focus on grahas only without even worshipping lord shiva. Since the grahas are in the outer prahara and when the temple is closed in the noon as per Agama sastras, people just visit the outer prahara and leave for next.  Please note that it is important to worship Shiva and Paravathy in the temple first. Bathe in the Tanks. Have Upavas and if not possible have milk and fruits and take Prasad for eating.  Take 3 days off and visit strictly as per sastras.  --- On Sat, 8/8/09, sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan wrote: sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu Saturday, August 8, 2009, 1:01 PM  Dear All I am sending you a small article on the Navagraha Khsetras of Tamilnadu. Our Great Sages experainced lord all over Bharatavarsha and requested him to be present there. Their penance, Their Yantra and Prana pradishta are felt even today. Hence these kshetras had continuous pujas for centuries. Also are glorified by the Tamil saints in Thevaram. ( Thevaram is on Lord Siva and Divyaprabandam is on Vishnu.) You need to visit atleast once in your life time. Extreme case you can outsource the Pujas. The dewasthanams of these temples are well maintained and sincerely perform pujas and you can approach them directly for the conduct of any Pujas. Please mail me if you want to know anything further on these temple. Regards Sankar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2009 Report Share Posted August 9, 2009 Dear sankaranarayanan k.s Namasthe, Thanks for providing this valuable information. Many of the traditional importance regarding our temples and places of worship has been sidelined or lost and given way to publicity and money mongers. what is appaling in Tamilnadu and not seen elsewhere in India is even to step inside the most of these temples to have a quite prayer, you have to take a ticket ranging from Rs2/- to Rs5/-. Amount is not important but the very thought that a devotee has to buy a ticket to have even a distant darshan inside a temple (closer darshan will cost far more) is totaly against traditional values and concept of Hindu religion and is total repulsive. I have travelled a lot in Tamilnadu and visited most of these temple. What I have written is my own experience. Any way thanks a lot. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy , " sankaranarayanan k.s " <shankypriyan wrote: > > you have missed the attachment >  > detailsbelow > > > > > >  > > Start from Chidambaram > > >  > >  > >  > > >  > >  > >  > > > Mangal > > Vaitheswaran Temple > > 25 KM > > > Budha > > Thiruvenkadu > > 10 Km from Vaitheswaran Temple towards Nagapatnam > > > Ketu > > Keezh Perumballam > > Another 6 Kms > > > Sun > > Sorriyanar Koil > > 30 Kms from Vaitheeswaran koil - on the way to Kumabakonam > > > Sukra > > Kanjanur > > 3 km from sooryanar koil > > >  > > Reach Kumabakonam - another 12 kms > > > Raghu > > Tirunageswaram > > 6 kms from Kumbakonam > > > Moon > > Thingalur > > 30 Kms from Kumbakonam on the way to Thiruvaiyaru > > > Saturn > > Thirunallaru > > 45 kms from kumbakonam on the way to Karaikal > > > Guru > > Alangudi > > 20 kms from Kumbakonam - Dakshinamoorthy > > > Guru > > Thittai > > 40 Kms from Kumbakonam on the way to Tanjore.Brahaspathi >  > Navagraha Khestras >  > From Chennai you can first reach Chidambaram ( Famous Natraj temple) and start covering the places. If you start from Trichy, then start from Tanjore on the reverse order. >  > > Vaitheswaran Temple: Glorified by the 6th Century Thevaram, the Tamil name of the temple is Pulirukkuveluer. Ie Pul + Irukku + Vel + ur. Ur is village. Pul is bird, here Jadayu, Irukku is Rig Veda, Vel is lord Muruga. This temple is worshipped by Jadayu, Rig Veda and Lord Muruga. >  > Legend is when the world was suffering with health problem, Shiva and Parvathy came as a doctor couples. Hence the name Vaidhyanatha to the lord and the town is now called in lord’s name. The theertha is called Sidhamirtha theertha and bathing in the tank and worshipping god and goddess cures one from all health problems. Lord Mangal had his curse cured here and has a separate shrine in the outer prahara. Sthala vriksha is neem. >  > > Thiruvenkadu: Thiru is Sri, Ven is white and kadu is forest. Swetharanyam in Sanskrit. Glorified in Thevaram and Valmiki Ramayana. When Ram, Lakshman and Seetha were bathing in Godavari and coming out in aranya kanda, valmiki says it looked like Lord Shiva and Parvathi walking with Nandhi leading the way in Swetharanya Kshetra. >  > Here there are three theerthas and bathing in all three theerthas is important. There is a Vadaranya and shradh can be performed like the brahmakapala. Lord is in 3 forms here Shiva, Nataraja and Agoraveerabhadra. Hence 3 tanks and 3 sthala vriksha. >  > Budha got his nabumsak curse cured and has a separate shrine in the outer prahara. >  > >  Kil perumballam. This shiva temple has a separate Ketu shrine and ketu had his curse cured here. This temple is not glorified in thevara. Infact the Thirukketheswaram in Srilanka is glorified in thevaram as the temple worshipped by Ketu. If possible Thirukketheswaram should be worshipped .The Kilperumpallam temple though not glorified in thevaram is definitely of before 6th century origin. > Sun: Sooriyanar Koil: Sooriyan is Sun in Tamil. This is actually 2 temples. The Shiva temple is called Thirumanagalakudi glorified in thevaram ( it is just opposite to the Sun temple) and the Navagraha temple opposite to the Shiva temple. >  > Kalava Maharishi had Kushtarog and did a severe penance to Navagrahas. Navagrahas appeared before him and cured his Kushtarog. Since Navagraha’s duty is to give as per once karma and they donot have any right to cure anybody, they were cursed to have kushtarog. >  > The Navagrahas did severe penance to Pranavaradeswara at Thirumanagalkudi and lord cured their kushtarog. They were told to bless the people who worship him. The Navagrahas have a separate temple with Sun having the central shrine with his consorts, Bruhaspathi facing him and all the other seven surrounding him. >  > Sthala vriksha is Urga ( Erukku) and on Sundays eating curd rice in Urga leaf is supposed to cure disease. >  >  > > Kanjanur: Here there is no separate Sukra shrine. Lord Vishnu during Vamanavatar, pierced the eyes of Sukra when he blocked Mahabali from giving the land to lord Vishnu. Vishnu worshipped lord Shiva ( Agneswara) for this Sukra dosha and hence this is a Sukra sthala. Glorified in Thevaram. >  > > Raghu: Thirunageswaram as the name suggest worshipped by the serpent Raghu. Glorified in Thevaram lord Naganatha swamy is the presiding deity. There two shrines for Parvathy. Pirainudal kanni on whom the moons rays fall on Karthik Poornima and Girigujambiga who is having Lakshmi and Saraswathi on her both sides. >  > Raghu with his two consorts has a separate shrine in the outer prahara. Special poojas performed daily on Rahukalams with milk. The milk turns blue during and after abishekam. >  > > Saturn:  Thirunallaru glorified in Thevaram. Thiru + Nal + Aru. Thiru is Sri, Nal is Nala and aru here is not river. It is cured. ( Arudal) Place where Nala was cured. When Nala had bath in the theertha ( called Nala theertha now) and entered the temple Saturn could not follow him and stayed out and thus Nala was cured by lord Sani. Lord Darbaranyeswara ( Sthala vriksha is Darba grass) and goddess Bogamartha Poon Mulaiyal . Saturn has a shrine at the entrance. >  > Taking an oil bath in Nala theertha and worshipping Lord Dharbaranyeswara and Saturn is advised for Sani dosha. On Saturdays there will be long queue and will take minimum 6 to 7 hours for darshan. >  > > Moon: Thingalur, Thingal is moon in Tamil. The Thevaram of this temple is missing but there is a thevaram sung in this temple to cure a devotee’s snake bite by saint Appar is available. As the name indicates Chandra worshipped Lord and has a separate shrine. >  > > Guru: Lord Guru has two temples both glorified by Thevaram. In Alangudi Apatsahyeswara temple, the Dakshinamoorthy is worshipped as Guru and in Thittai Vasishteswara temple Brahaspathi worshipped Shiva and has a separate shirine near lord himself. >  >  > When visiting these temples also Visit: >  > > Chidambaram Natraja Temple > Thiruvidaimarudhur Mahalingaswamy ( madyarjuna) > Pattesswaram Durga > Thirumananjeri ( Marriage Kshetra) > Thirukkarukavur ( Garbarakshambiga for safe child birth) > Meda Dakshinamoorthy in Mayuram > Big temple in Tanjore and Gangai Konda Cholapuram >  > If possible to Srirangam and Thiruvanaikovil in Trichy. >  > Please Note: >  > > The Lord is present in these Shrines for us and giving an easy remedy for lesser mortals like us. Since we could not do severe penance, he is present in these temples and by just having a darshan, we will be relieved. Our Rishis pradishta power, The Tamil saint’s thevara song power and lord’s grace has helped to sustain this. You will really feel the lord in all these kshetras and the radiance . >  > Many are visiting as a one day picnic and focus on grahas only without even worshipping lord shiva. Since the grahas are in the outer prahara and when the temple is closed in the noon as per Agama sastras, people just visit the outer prahara and leave for next. >  > Please note that it is important to worship Shiva and Paravathy in the temple first. Bathe in the Tanks. Have Upavas and if not possible have milk and fruits and take Prasad for eating. >  > Take 3 days off and visit strictly as per sastras. >  > > > --- On Sat, 8/8/09, sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan wrote: > > > sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan > Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu > > Saturday, August 8, 2009, 1:01 PM > > >  > > > > Dear All > > I am sending you a small article on the Navagraha Khsetras of Tamilnadu. Our Great Sages experainced lord all over Bharatavarsha and requested him to be present there. Their penance, Their Yantra and Prana pradishta are felt even today. > > Hence these kshetras had continuous pujas for centuries. Also are glorified by the Tamil saints in Thevaram. ( Thevaram is on Lord Siva and Divyaprabandam is on Vishnu.) > > You need to visit atleast once in your life time. Extreme case you can outsource the Pujas. The dewasthanams of these temples are well maintained and sincerely perform pujas and you can approach them directly for the conduct of any Pujas. > > Please mail me if you want to know anything further on these temple. > > Regards > > Sankar > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2009 Report Share Posted August 9, 2009 Dear Suresh babu, well in the name of secularism we have given a Timeless extension to JIZYA tax of our invaders till this day THE MONEY FROM TEMPLE COLLECTION, HUNDI, AND LANDS GIVEN TO IT BY THE ANCIENT KINGS or wealthy or even the poor have been subsidising other minorities institutions AND HAVE NO AUTONOMY either to start a educational institution have to account foreign funds but not our invaders who have indipendent boards or beyond any scruitny . even sikhs who have to go to Nanak sahab accross theb order don't get such previleges for their great contribution to the freedom movements or the sports, art, culture, cusine of this country. so the ticket sales have to be in place to suit our politicians none of the minorities have asked for it, but the rulers want to exploit them sadly than help them. so we must blame only or politicians no one else. they also sit on temple boards and enjot special priveleges over others. prashant ________________________________ sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag Sunday, August 9, 2009 9:23:30 PM Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu Dear sankaranarayanan k.s Namasthe, Thanks for providing this valuable information. Many of the traditional importance regarding our temples and places of worship has been sidelined or lost and given way to publicity and money mongers. what is appaling in Tamilnadu and not seen elsewhere in India is even to step inside the most of these temples to have a quite prayer, you have to take a ticket ranging from Rs2/- to Rs5/-. Amount is not important but the very thought that a devotee has to buy a ticket to have even a distant darshan inside a temple (closer darshan will cost far more) is totaly against traditional values and concept of Hindu religion and is total repulsive. I have travelled a lot in Tamilnadu and visited most of these temple. What I have written is my own experience. Any way thanks a lot. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy , " sankaranarayanan k.s " <shankypriyan@ ....> wrote: > > you have missed the attachment >  > detailsbelow > > > > > >  > > Start from Chidambaram > > >  > >  > >  > > >  > >  > >  > > > Mangal > > Vaitheswaran Temple > > 25 KM > > > Budha > > Thiruvenkadu > > 10 Km from Vaitheswaran Temple towards Nagapatnam > > > Ketu > > Keezh Perumballam > > Another 6 Kms > > > Sun > > Sorriyanar Koil > > 30 Kms from Vaitheeswaran koil - on the way to Kumabakonam > > > Sukra > > Kanjanur > > 3 km from sooryanar koil > > >  > > Reach Kumabakonam - another 12 kms > > > Raghu > > Tirunageswaram > > 6 kms from Kumbakonam > > > Moon > > Thingalur > > 30 Kms from Kumbakonam on the way to Thiruvaiyaru > > > Saturn > > Thirunallaru > > 45 kms from kumbakonam on the way to Karaikal > > > Guru > > Alangudi > > 20 kms from Kumbakonam - Dakshinamoorthy > > > Guru > > Thittai > > 40 Kms from Kumbakonam on the way to Tanjore.Brahaspathi >  > Navagraha Khestras >  > From Chennai you can first reach Chidambaram ( Famous Natraj temple) and start covering the places. If you start from Trichy, then start from Tanjore on the reverse order. >  > > Vaitheswaran Temple: Glorified by the 6th Century Thevaram, the Tamil name of the temple is Pulirukkuveluer. Ie Pul + Irukku + Vel + ur. Ur is village. Pul is bird, here Jadayu, Irukku is Rig Veda, Vel is lord Muruga. This temple is worshipped by Jadayu, Rig Veda and Lord Muruga. >  > Legend is when the world was suffering with health problem, Shiva and Parvathy came as a doctor couples. Hence the name Vaidhyanatha to the lord and the town is now called in lord’s name. The theertha is called Sidhamirtha theertha and bathing in the tank and worshipping god and goddess cures one from all health problems. Lord Mangal had his curse cured here and has a separate shrine in the outer prahara. Sthala vriksha is neem. >  > > Thiruvenkadu: Thiru is Sri, Ven is white and kadu is forest. Swetharanyam in Sanskrit. Glorified in Thevaram and Valmiki Ramayana. When Ram, Lakshman and Seetha were bathing in Godavari and coming out in aranya kanda, valmiki says it looked like Lord Shiva and Parvathi walking with Nandhi leading the way in Swetharanya Kshetra. >  > Here there are three theerthas and bathing in all three theerthas is important. There is a Vadaranya and shradh can be performed like the brahmakapala. Lord is in 3 forms here Shiva, Nataraja and Agoraveerabhadra. Hence 3 tanks and 3 sthala vriksha. >  > Budha got his nabumsak curse cured and has a separate shrine in the outer prahara. >  > >  Kil perumballam. This shiva temple has a separate Ketu shrine and ketu had his curse cured here. This temple is not glorified in thevara. Infact the Thirukketheswaram in Srilanka is glorified in thevaram as the temple worshipped by Ketu. If possible Thirukketheswaram should be worshipped .The Kilperumpallam temple though not glorified in thevaram is definitely of before 6th century origin. > Sun: Sooriyanar Koil: Sooriyan is Sun in Tamil. This is actually 2 temples. The Shiva temple is called Thirumanagalakudi glorified in thevaram ( it is just opposite to the Sun temple) and the Navagraha temple opposite to the Shiva temple. >  > Kalava Maharishi had Kushtarog and did a severe penance to Navagrahas. Navagrahas appeared before him and cured his Kushtarog. Since Navagraha’s duty is to give as per once karma and they donot have any right to cure anybody, they were cursed to have kushtarog. >  > The Navagrahas did severe penance to Pranavaradeswara at Thirumanagalkudi and lord cured their kushtarog. They were told to bless the people who worship him. The Navagrahas have a separate temple with Sun having the central shrine with his consorts, Bruhaspathi facing him and all the other seven surrounding him. >  > Sthala vriksha is Urga ( Erukku) and on Sundays eating curd rice in Urga leaf is supposed to cure disease. >  >  > > Kanjanur: Here there is no separate Sukra shrine. Lord Vishnu during Vamanavatar, pierced the eyes of Sukra when he blocked Mahabali from giving the land to lord Vishnu. Vishnu worshipped lord Shiva ( Agneswara) for this Sukra dosha and hence this is a Sukra sthala. Glorified in Thevaram. >  > > Raghu: Thirunageswaram as the name suggest worshipped by the serpent Raghu. Glorified in Thevaram lord Naganatha swamy is the presiding deity. There two shrines for Parvathy. Pirainudal kanni on whom the moons rays fall on Karthik Poornima and Girigujambiga who is having Lakshmi and Saraswathi on her both sides. >  > Raghu with his two consorts has a separate shrine in the outer prahara. Special poojas performed daily on Rahukalams with milk. The milk turns blue during and after abishekam. >  > > Saturn:  Thirunallaru glorified in Thevaram. Thiru + Nal + Aru. Thiru is Sri, Nal is Nala and aru here is not river. It is cured. ( Arudal) Place where Nala was cured. When Nala had bath in the theertha ( called Nala theertha now) and entered the temple Saturn could not follow him and stayed out and thus Nala was cured by lord Sani. Lord Darbaranyeswara ( Sthala vriksha is Darba grass) and goddess Bogamartha Poon Mulaiyal . Saturn has a shrine at the entrance. >  > Taking an oil bath in Nala theertha and worshipping Lord Dharbaranyeswara and Saturn is advised for Sani dosha. On Saturdays there will be long queue and will take minimum 6 to 7 hours for darshan. >  > > Moon: Thingalur, Thingal is moon in Tamil. The Thevaram of this temple is missing but there is a thevaram sung in this temple to cure a devotee’s snake bite by saint Appar is available. As the name indicates Chandra worshipped Lord and has a separate shrine. >  > > Guru: Lord Guru has two temples both glorified by Thevaram. In Alangudi Apatsahyeswara temple, the Dakshinamoorthy is worshipped as Guru and in Thittai Vasishteswara temple Brahaspathi worshipped Shiva and has a separate shirine near lord himself. >  >  > When visiting these temples also Visit: >  > > Chidambaram Natraja Temple > Thiruvidaimarudhur Mahalingaswamy ( madyarjuna) > Pattesswaram Durga > Thirumananjeri ( Marriage Kshetra) > Thirukkarukavur ( Garbarakshambiga for safe child birth) > Meda Dakshinamoorthy in Mayuram > Big temple in Tanjore and Gangai Konda Cholapuram >  > If possible to Srirangam and Thiruvanaikovil in Trichy. >  > Please Note: >  > > The Lord is present in these Shrines for us and giving an easy remedy for lesser mortals like us. Since we could not do severe penance, he is present in these temples and by just having a darshan, we will be relieved. Our Rishis pradishta power, The Tamil saint’s thevara song power and lord’s grace has helped to sustain this. You will really feel the lord in all these kshetras and the radiance . >  > Many are visiting as a one day picnic and focus on grahas only without even worshipping lord shiva. Since the grahas are in the outer prahara and when the temple is closed in the noon as per Agama sastras, people just visit the outer prahara and leave for next. >  > Please note that it is important to worship Shiva and Paravathy in the temple first. Bathe in the Tanks. Have Upavas and if not possible have milk and fruits and take Prasad for eating. >  > Take 3 days off and visit strictly as per sastras. >  > > > --- On Sat, 8/8/09, sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ ...> wrote: > > > sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ ...> > Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu > > Saturday, August 8, 2009, 1:01 PM > > >  > > > > Dear All > > I am sending you a small article on the Navagraha Khsetras of Tamilnadu. Our Great Sages experainced lord all over Bharatavarsha and requested him to be present there. Their penance, Their Yantra and Prana pradishta are felt even today. > > Hence these kshetras had continuous pujas for centuries. Also are glorified by the Tamil saints in Thevaram. ( Thevaram is on Lord Siva and Divyaprabandam is on Vishnu.) > > You need to visit atleast once in your life time. Extreme case you can outsource the Pujas. The dewasthanams of these temples are well maintained and sincerely perform pujas and you can approach them directly for the conduct of any Pujas. > > Please mail me if you want to know anything further on these temple. > > Regards > > Sankar > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2009 Report Share Posted August 9, 2009 Dear Sirs, Temples have always occupied a prime role in our culture.mainly built as a place for social gathering and communions have acquired prominence over the years due to the faith and trust bestowed by the people. man looks around to build his confidence to face the day after.he sees himself engulfed in various issues connected with livelihood.he knows that he can tackle them but worried of uncertainities.These uncertainities with a loose thread are linked to fate,bahgya or otherwise destiny with which an aethiest,ardent believer of God and a Theologist are always concerned. with wide spread awareness in jyotish and the relationship of Gods with planets,commercial means cropped up and the Govts thought to relax from moral responsibilities by passing lao of charitable Institutions and also ways to divert these funds for some other cause.People entrusted with up keep of temples including priests understood their role and importance to squeeze and pinch pockets.Dawn of Political with emphsis on religion have certainly did harm to social fabric. Spacious temples built for worship have suddenly become inadequate.Modern audio systems have helped in marketing Gods and even our Dharmas.In the name of God and religion one can find lot of money laundering around. v have witnessed irrspective of geographical limitations right from jammu Kashmir to kanykumari whether the God is of Hindus or of mosleems or Christians.we visit Ajmeer darga to pacify rahu and velankanni to pacify Moon and rameswaram to appease Sun.All have played very important role in mitigating the hardships of common.man.Man inturn is the victim of his own faith and values.whom to blame? vrkrishnan Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services)  --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar Re: Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu Sunday, August 9, 2009, 1:09 PM  Dear Suresh babu, well in the name of secularism we have given a Timeless extension to JIZYA tax of our invaders till this day THE MONEY FROM TEMPLE COLLECTION, HUNDI, AND LANDS GIVEN TO IT BY THE ANCIENT KINGS or wealthy or even the poor have been subsidising other minorities institutions AND HAVE NO AUTONOMY either to start a educational institution have to account foreign funds but not our invaders who have indipendent boards or beyond any scruitny . even sikhs who have to go to Nanak sahab accross theb order don't get such previleges for their great contribution to the freedom movements or the sports, art, culture, cusine of this country. so the ticket sales have to be in place to suit our politicians none of the minorities have asked for it, but the rulers want to exploit them sadly than help them. so we must blame only or politicians no one else. they also sit on temple boards and enjot special priveleges over others. prashant ____________ _________ _________ __ sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@ > Sunday, August 9, 2009 9:23:30 PM Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu Dear sankaranarayanan k.s Namasthe, Thanks for providing this valuable information. Many of the traditional importance regarding our temples and places of worship has been sidelined or lost and given way to publicity and money mongers. what is appaling in Tamilnadu and not seen elsewhere in India is even to step inside the most of these temples to have a quite prayer, you have to take a ticket ranging from Rs2/- to Rs5/-. Amount is not important but the very thought that a devotee has to buy a ticket to have even a distant darshan inside a temple (closer darshan will cost far more) is totaly against traditional values and concept of Hindu religion and is total repulsive. I have travelled a lot in Tamilnadu and visited most of these temple. What I have written is my own experience. Any way thanks a lot. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy , " sankaranarayanan k.s " <shankypriyan@ ....> wrote: > > you have missed the attachment >  > detailsbelow > > > > > >  > > Start from Chidambaram > > >  > >  > >  > > >  > >  > >  > > > Mangal > > Vaitheswaran Temple > > 25 KM > > > Budha > > Thiruvenkadu > > 10 Km from Vaitheswaran Temple towards Nagapatnam > > > Ketu > > Keezh Perumballam > > Another 6 Kms > > > Sun > > Sorriyanar Koil > > 30 Kms from Vaitheeswaran koil - on the way to Kumabakonam > > > Sukra > > Kanjanur > > 3 km from sooryanar koil > > >  > > Reach Kumabakonam - another 12 kms > > > Raghu > > Tirunageswaram > > 6 kms from Kumbakonam > > > Moon > > Thingalur > > 30 Kms from Kumbakonam on the way to Thiruvaiyaru > > > Saturn > > Thirunallaru > > 45 kms from kumbakonam on the way to Karaikal > > > Guru > > Alangudi > > 20 kms from Kumbakonam - Dakshinamoorthy > > > Guru > > Thittai > > 40 Kms from Kumbakonam on the way to Tanjore.Brahaspathi >  > Navagraha Khestras >  > From Chennai you can first reach Chidambaram ( Famous Natraj temple) and start covering the places. If you start from Trichy, then start from Tanjore on the reverse order. >  > > Vaitheswaran Temple: Glorified by the 6th Century Thevaram, the Tamil name of the temple is Pulirukkuveluer. Ie Pul + Irukku + Vel + ur. Ur is village. Pul is bird, here Jadayu, Irukku is Rig Veda, Vel is lord Muruga. This temple is worshipped by Jadayu, Rig Veda and Lord Muruga. >  > Legend is when the world was suffering with health problem, Shiva and Parvathy came as a doctor couples. Hence the name Vaidhyanatha to the lord and the town is now called in lord’s name. The theertha is called Sidhamirtha theertha and bathing in the tank and worshipping god and goddess cures one from all health problems. Lord Mangal had his curse cured here and has a separate shrine in the outer prahara. Sthala vriksha is neem. >  > > Thiruvenkadu: Thiru is Sri, Ven is white and kadu is forest. Swetharanyam in Sanskrit. Glorified in Thevaram and Valmiki Ramayana. When Ram, Lakshman and Seetha were bathing in Godavari and coming out in aranya kanda, valmiki says it looked like Lord Shiva and Parvathi walking with Nandhi leading the way in Swetharanya Kshetra. >  > Here there are three theerthas and bathing in all three theerthas is important. There is a Vadaranya and shradh can be performed like the brahmakapala. Lord is in 3 forms here Shiva, Nataraja and Agoraveerabhadra. Hence 3 tanks and 3 sthala vriksha. >  > Budha got his nabumsak curse cured and has a separate shrine in the outer prahara. >  > >  Kil perumballam. This shiva temple has a separate Ketu shrine and ketu had his curse cured here. This temple is not glorified in thevara. Infact the Thirukketheswaram in Srilanka is glorified in thevaram as the temple worshipped by Ketu. If possible Thirukketheswaram should be worshipped .The Kilperumpallam temple though not glorified in thevaram is definitely of before 6th century origin. > Sun: Sooriyanar Koil: Sooriyan is Sun in Tamil. This is actually 2 temples. The Shiva temple is called Thirumanagalakudi glorified in thevaram ( it is just opposite to the Sun temple) and the Navagraha temple opposite to the Shiva temple. >  > Kalava Maharishi had Kushtarog and did a severe penance to Navagrahas. Navagrahas appeared before him and cured his Kushtarog. Since Navagraha’s duty is to give as per once karma and they donot have any right to cure anybody, they were cursed to have kushtarog. >  > The Navagrahas did severe penance to Pranavaradeswara at Thirumanagalkudi and lord cured their kushtarog. They were told to bless the people who worship him. The Navagrahas have a separate temple with Sun having the central shrine with his consorts, Bruhaspathi facing him and all the other seven surrounding him. >  > Sthala vriksha is Urga ( Erukku) and on Sundays eating curd rice in Urga leaf is supposed to cure disease. >  >  > > Kanjanur: Here there is no separate Sukra shrine. Lord Vishnu during Vamanavatar, pierced the eyes of Sukra when he blocked Mahabali from giving the land to lord Vishnu. Vishnu worshipped lord Shiva ( Agneswara) for this Sukra dosha and hence this is a Sukra sthala. Glorified in Thevaram. >  > > Raghu: Thirunageswaram as the name suggest worshipped by the serpent Raghu. Glorified in Thevaram lord Naganatha swamy is the presiding deity. There two shrines for Parvathy. Pirainudal kanni on whom the moons rays fall on Karthik Poornima and Girigujambiga who is having Lakshmi and Saraswathi on her both sides. >  > Raghu with his two consorts has a separate shrine in the outer prahara. Special poojas performed daily on Rahukalams with milk. The milk turns blue during and after abishekam. >  > > Saturn:  Thirunallaru glorified in Thevaram. Thiru + Nal + Aru. Thiru is Sri, Nal is Nala and aru here is not river. It is cured. ( Arudal) Place where Nala was cured. When Nala had bath in the theertha ( called Nala theertha now) and entered the temple Saturn could not follow him and stayed out and thus Nala was cured by lord Sani. Lord Darbaranyeswara ( Sthala vriksha is Darba grass) and goddess Bogamartha Poon Mulaiyal . Saturn has a shrine at the entrance. >  > Taking an oil bath in Nala theertha and worshipping Lord Dharbaranyeswara and Saturn is advised for Sani dosha. On Saturdays there will be long queue and will take minimum 6 to 7 hours for darshan. >  > > Moon: Thingalur, Thingal is moon in Tamil. The Thevaram of this temple is missing but there is a thevaram sung in this temple to cure a devotee’s snake bite by saint Appar is available. As the name indicates Chandra worshipped Lord and has a separate shrine. >  > > Guru: Lord Guru has two temples both glorified by Thevaram. In Alangudi Apatsahyeswara temple, the Dakshinamoorthy is worshipped as Guru and in Thittai Vasishteswara temple Brahaspathi worshipped Shiva and has a separate shirine near lord himself. >  >  > When visiting these temples also Visit: >  > > Chidambaram Natraja Temple > Thiruvidaimarudhur Mahalingaswamy ( madyarjuna) > Pattesswaram Durga > Thirumananjeri ( Marriage Kshetra) > Thirukkarukavur ( Garbarakshambiga for safe child birth) > Meda Dakshinamoorthy in Mayuram > Big temple in Tanjore and Gangai Konda Cholapuram >  > If possible to Srirangam and Thiruvanaikovil in Trichy. >  > Please Note: >  > > The Lord is present in these Shrines for us and giving an easy remedy for lesser mortals like us. Since we could not do severe penance, he is present in these temples and by just having a darshan, we will be relieved. Our Rishis pradishta power, The Tamil saint’s thevara song power and lord’s grace has helped to sustain this. You will really feel the lord in all these kshetras and the radiance . >  > Many are visiting as a one day picnic and focus on grahas only without even worshipping lord shiva. Since the grahas are in the outer prahara and when the temple is closed in the noon as per Agama sastras, people just visit the outer prahara and leave for next. >  > Please note that it is important to worship Shiva and Paravathy in the temple first. Bathe in the Tanks. Have Upavas and if not possible have milk and fruits and take Prasad for eating. >  > Take 3 days off and visit strictly as per sastras. >  > > > --- On Sat, 8/8/09, sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ ...> wrote: > > > sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ ...> > Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu > > Saturday, August 8, 2009, 1:01 PM > > >  > > > > Dear All > > I am sending you a small article on the Navagraha Khsetras of Tamilnadu. Our Great Sages experainced lord all over Bharatavarsha and requested him to be present there. Their penance, Their Yantra and Prana pradishta are felt even today. > > Hence these kshetras had continuous pujas for centuries. Also are glorified by the Tamil saints in Thevaram. ( Thevaram is on Lord Siva and Divyaprabandam is on Vishnu.) > > You need to visit atleast once in your life time. Extreme case you can outsource the Pujas. The dewasthanams of these temples are well maintained and sincerely perform pujas and you can approach them directly for the conduct of any Pujas. > > Please mail me if you want to know anything further on these temple. > > Regards > > Sankar > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2009 Report Share Posted August 9, 2009 Dear Krishna ji, I made this point about Tamilnadu temple only to show the injustice done to Hinduism as a whole. I don't know who is behind the concept of charging devottes even to enter them or who is benefitting by it. Whatever may be the reason, it is absurd. Now the last point you made  " we visit Ajmeer darga to pacify rahu and velankanni to pacify Moon " & " Man inturn is the victim of his own faith and values " What kind of a Hindu shall Visit a darga or christain church? under whatever pretext. This itself shows eroding values of lack of convictions and knowledge about our own religion. It would be better to frame the sentence " Hindus are the victims of their lack of faith and convictions " . Simple: how many Muslims or christains do you see praying to a hindu god - TOOOOO negligible. But how many of them do you see engaged constantly to convert hindus or do not loose a chance to show that Hinduism is useless in twarting the poverty of the people and hindu gods are dummies- TOOOOOO Many. Hindus become easy prey for others including our own money mongers. The irony is that the  so called intelligent and powerfull hindus of Tamilnadu who regard themselves as distinct from rest of India, has not raised a single finger against such blasphemy. Hope this is taken in good spirit. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy  ________________________________ Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 Sunday, August 9, 2009 11:26:42 PM Re: Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu  Dear Sirs, Temples have always occupied a prime role in our culture.mainly built as a place for social gathering and communions have acquired prominence over the years due to the faith and trust bestowed by the people. man looks around to build his confidence to face the day after.he sees himself engulfed in various issues connected with livelihood.he knows that he can tackle them but worried of uncertainities. These uncertainities with a loose thread are linked to fate,bahgya or otherwise destiny with which an aethiest,ardent believer of God and a Theologist are always concerned. with wide spread awareness in jyotish and the relationship of Gods with planets,commercial means cropped up and the Govts thought to relax from moral responsibilities by passing lao of charitable Institutions and also ways to divert these funds for some other cause.People entrusted with up keep of temples including priests understood their role and importance to squeeze and pinch pockets.Dawn of Political with emphsis on religion have certainly did harm to social fabric. Spacious temples built for worship have suddenly become inadequate.Modern audio systems have helped in marketing Gods and even our Dharmas.In the name of God and religion one can find lot of money laundering around. v have witnessed irrspective of geographical limitations right from jammu Kashmir to kanykumari whether the God is of Hindus or of mosleems or Christians.we visit Ajmeer darga to pacify rahu and velankanni to pacify Moon and rameswaram to appease Sun.All have played very important role in mitigating the hardships of common.man.Man inturn is the victim of his own faith and values.whom to blame? vrkrishnan Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services)  --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > Re: Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu Sunday, August 9, 2009, 1:09 PM  Dear Suresh babu, well in the name of secularism we have given a Timeless extension to JIZYA tax of our invaders till this day THE MONEY FROM TEMPLE COLLECTION, HUNDI, AND LANDS GIVEN TO IT BY THE ANCIENT KINGS or wealthy or even the poor have been subsidising other minorities institutions AND HAVE NO AUTONOMY either to start a educational institution have to account foreign funds but not our invaders who have indipendent boards or beyond any scruitny . even sikhs who have to go to Nanak sahab accross theb order don't get such previleges for their great contribution to the freedom movements or the sports, art, culture, cusine of this country. so the ticket sales have to be in place to suit our politicians none of the minorities have asked for it, but the rulers want to exploit them sadly than help them. so we must blame only or politicians no one else. they also sit on temple boards and enjot special priveleges over others. prashant ____________ _________ _________ __ sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@ > Sunday, August 9, 2009 9:23:30 PM Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu Dear sankaranarayanan k.s Namasthe, Thanks for providing this valuable information. Many of the traditional importance regarding our temples and places of worship has been sidelined or lost and given way to publicity and money mongers. what is appaling in Tamilnadu and not seen elsewhere in India is even to step inside the most of these temples to have a quite prayer, you have to take a ticket ranging from Rs2/- to Rs5/-. Amount is not important but the very thought that a devotee has to buy a ticket to have even a distant darshan inside a temple (closer darshan will cost far more) is totaly against traditional values and concept of Hindu religion and is total repulsive. I have travelled a lot in Tamilnadu and visited most of these temple. What I have written is my own experience. Any way thanks a lot. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy , " sankaranarayanan k.s " <shankypriyan@ ....> wrote: > > you have missed the attachment >  > detailsbelow > > > > > >  > > Start from Chidambaram > > >  > >  > >  > > >  > >  > >  > > > Mangal > > Vaitheswaran Temple > > 25 KM > > > Budha > > Thiruvenkadu > > 10 Km from Vaitheswaran Temple towards Nagapatnam > > > Ketu > > Keezh Perumballam > > Another 6 Kms > > > Sun > > Sorriyanar Koil > > 30 Kms from Vaitheeswaran koil - on the way to Kumabakonam > > > Sukra > > Kanjanur > > 3 km from sooryanar koil > > >  > > Reach Kumabakonam - another 12 kms > > > Raghu > > Tirunageswaram > > 6 kms from Kumbakonam > > > Moon > > Thingalur > > 30 Kms from Kumbakonam on the way to Thiruvaiyaru > > > Saturn > > Thirunallaru > > 45 kms from kumbakonam on the way to Karaikal > > > Guru > > Alangudi > > 20 kms from Kumbakonam - Dakshinamoorthy > > > Guru > > Thittai > > 40 Kms from Kumbakonam on the way to Tanjore.Brahaspathi >  > Navagraha Khestras >  > From Chennai you can first reach Chidambaram ( Famous Natraj temple) and start covering the places. If you start from Trichy, then start from Tanjore on the reverse order. >  > > Vaitheswaran Temple: Glorified by the 6th Century Thevaram, the Tamil name of the temple is Pulirukkuveluer. Ie Pul + Irukku + Vel + ur. Ur is village. Pul is bird, here Jadayu, Irukku is Rig Veda, Vel is lord Muruga. This temple is worshipped by Jadayu, Rig Veda and Lord Muruga. >  > Legend is when the world was suffering with health problem, Shiva and Parvathy came as a doctor couples. Hence the name Vaidhyanatha to the lord and the town is now called in lord’s name. The theertha is called Sidhamirtha theertha and bathing in the tank and worshipping god and goddess cures one from all health problems. Lord Mangal had his curse cured here and has a separate shrine in the outer prahara. Sthala vriksha is neem. >  > > Thiruvenkadu: Thiru is Sri, Ven is white and kadu is forest. Swetharanyam in Sanskrit. Glorified in Thevaram and Valmiki Ramayana. When Ram, Lakshman and Seetha were bathing in Godavari and coming out in aranya kanda, valmiki says it looked like Lord Shiva and Parvathi walking with Nandhi leading the way in Swetharanya Kshetra. >  > Here there are three theerthas and bathing in all three theerthas is important. There is a Vadaranya and shradh can be performed like the brahmakapala. Lord is in 3 forms here Shiva, Nataraja and Agoraveerabhadra. Hence 3 tanks and 3 sthala vriksha. >  > Budha got his nabumsak curse cured and has a separate shrine in the outer prahara. >  > >  Kil perumballam. This shiva temple has a separate Ketu shrine and ketu had his curse cured here. This temple is not glorified in thevara. Infact the Thirukketheswaram in Srilanka is glorified in thevaram as the temple worshipped by Ketu. If possible Thirukketheswaram should be worshipped .The Kilperumpallam temple though not glorified in thevaram is definitely of before 6th century origin. > Sun: Sooriyanar Koil: Sooriyan is Sun in Tamil. This is actually 2 temples. The Shiva temple is called Thirumanagalakudi glorified in thevaram ( it is just opposite to the Sun temple) and the Navagraha temple opposite to the Shiva temple. >  > Kalava Maharishi had Kushtarog and did a severe penance to Navagrahas. Navagrahas appeared before him and cured his Kushtarog. Since Navagraha’s duty is to give as per once karma and they donot have any right to cure anybody, they were cursed to have kushtarog. >  > The Navagrahas did severe penance to Pranavaradeswara at Thirumanagalkudi and lord cured their kushtarog. They were told to bless the people who worship him. The Navagrahas have a separate temple with Sun having the central shrine with his consorts, Bruhaspathi facing him and all the other seven surrounding him. >  > Sthala vriksha is Urga ( Erukku) and on Sundays eating curd rice in Urga leaf is supposed to cure disease. >  >  > > Kanjanur: Here there is no separate Sukra shrine. Lord Vishnu during Vamanavatar, pierced the eyes of Sukra when he blocked Mahabali from giving the land to lord Vishnu. Vishnu worshipped lord Shiva ( Agneswara) for this Sukra dosha and hence this is a Sukra sthala. Glorified in Thevaram. >  > > Raghu: Thirunageswaram as the name suggest worshipped by the serpent Raghu. Glorified in Thevaram lord Naganatha swamy is the presiding deity. There two shrines for Parvathy. Pirainudal kanni on whom the moons rays fall on Karthik Poornima and Girigujambiga who is having Lakshmi and Saraswathi on her both sides. >  > Raghu with his two consorts has a separate shrine in the outer prahara. Special poojas performed daily on Rahukalams with milk. The milk turns blue during and after abishekam. >  > > Saturn:  Thirunallaru glorified in Thevaram. Thiru + Nal + Aru. Thiru is Sri, Nal is Nala and aru here is not river. It is cured. ( Arudal) Place where Nala was cured. When Nala had bath in the theertha ( called Nala theertha now) and entered the temple Saturn could not follow him and stayed out and thus Nala was cured by lord Sani. Lord Darbaranyeswara ( Sthala vriksha is Darba grass) and goddess Bogamartha Poon Mulaiyal . Saturn has a shrine at the entrance. >  > Taking an oil bath in Nala theertha and worshipping Lord Dharbaranyeswara and Saturn is advised for Sani dosha. On Saturdays there will be long queue and will take minimum 6 to 7 hours for darshan. >  > > Moon: Thingalur, Thingal is moon in Tamil. The Thevaram of this temple is missing but there is a thevaram sung in this temple to cure a devotee’s snake bite by saint Appar is available. As the name indicates Chandra worshipped Lord and has a separate shrine. >  > > Guru: Lord Guru has two temples both glorified by Thevaram. In Alangudi Apatsahyeswara temple, the Dakshinamoorthy is worshipped as Guru and in Thittai Vasishteswara temple Brahaspathi worshipped Shiva and has a separate shirine near lord himself. >  >  > When visiting these temples also Visit: >  > > Chidambaram Natraja Temple > Thiruvidaimarudhur Mahalingaswamy ( madyarjuna) > Pattesswaram Durga > Thirumananjeri ( Marriage Kshetra) > Thirukkarukavur ( Garbarakshambiga for safe child birth) > Meda Dakshinamoorthy in Mayuram > Big temple in Tanjore and Gangai Konda Cholapuram >  > If possible to Srirangam and Thiruvanaikovil in Trichy. >  > Please Note: >  > > The Lord is present in these Shrines for us and giving an easy remedy for lesser mortals like us. Since we could not do severe penance, he is present in these temples and by just having a darshan, we will be relieved. Our Rishis pradishta power, The Tamil saint’s thevara song power and lord’s grace has helped to sustain this. You will really feel the lord in all these kshetras and the radiance . >  > Many are visiting as a one day picnic and focus on grahas only without even worshipping lord shiva. Since the grahas are in the outer prahara and when the temple is closed in the noon as per Agama sastras, people just visit the outer prahara and leave for next. >  > Please note that it is important to worship Shiva and Paravathy in the temple first. Bathe in the Tanks. Have Upavas and if not possible have milk and fruits and take Prasad for eating. >  > Take 3 days off and visit strictly as per sastras. >  > > > --- On Sat, 8/8/09, sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ ...> wrote: > > > sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ ...> > Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu > > Saturday, August 8, 2009, 1:01 PM > > >  > > > > Dear All > > I am sending you a small article on the Navagraha Khsetras of Tamilnadu. Our Great Sages experainced lord all over Bharatavarsha and requested him to be present there. Their penance, Their Yantra and Prana pradishta are felt even today. > > Hence these kshetras had continuous pujas for centuries. Also are glorified by the Tamil saints in Thevaram. ( Thevaram is on Lord Siva and Divyaprabandam is on Vishnu.) > > You need to visit atleast once in your life time. Extreme case you can outsource the Pujas. The dewasthanams of these temples are well maintained and sincerely perform pujas and you can approach them directly for the conduct of any Pujas. > > Please mail me if you want to know anything further on these temple. > > Regards > > Sankar > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 dear friends firstly we all shall accept with shame that only in hinduism we have gods giving closest darshan only to rich people. we do not find charges for visiting a church, a mosque or any holy place of other religions. but, the silver lining is that east, west and north india do not have this culture of charging money to have a glimpse of god and only south india has this biased discrimination which can be condoned, for 75 percent of indian gods are free for darshan. like most temples in south, tirupati balaji temple is the worst example of looting money in the name of darshan. a person paying crores of rupees donation or rich peple who contribute are given a straight darshan in the VIP access which is now 6 to 8 hours daily and the distance from the diety is only in feet. then those who pay beween two thousand rupees to five thousand rupees got two hours of exclusive darshan and their distance is in meters. those who wait patiently for several hours or days for darshan without fees (free) would watch from an even farther distance. ironically, corruption is the rootcause of this practice and those akhardham temples which dont charge one paisa for having darshan of thier gods are more richer than tirumala but are not known to many as hyped out by tirumala. they do charge for visiting their gardens, complexes, theatres, galleries etc. but not the temple. you visit any jyotirlingas in north, east or west(except the couple in south) no fees. you visit ram in ayodhya or krishna in mathura both in north, no fees. you visit amarnath and vaishnodevi in kashmir or badarinath and kedarnath in uttaranchal, there is no fees. but come to south, stash your pockets with monies to go closer to god. this is one reason that is making more hindus to convert to christianity or embrace islam as poor hindus can go to a god whom they can afford without paying money, rather this new god is giving goodies for visiting him. so, unless we clearly practice that all are equal in front of god and eliminate fees, poor people cannot afford rich gods and look for alternative free gods. as regards some justifying the fee structure, they must realise that there are many ways to generate money like renting the premises for functions and rituals, renting from shops and hotels, charging from helicopter or car parkers, taking voluntary donations (no force) for development of the fund. at this juncture, i appreciate the birlas who constructed few grandest temples across india and their beautiful temples even in south do not charge any money. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Dear Krishna ji, > > I made this point about Tamilnadu temple only to show the injustice done to Hinduism as a whole. I don't know who is behind the concept of charging devottes even to enter them or who is benefitting by it. Whatever may be the reason, it is absurd. > > Now the last point you made >  " we visit Ajmeer darga to pacify rahu and velankanni to pacify Moon " & > " Man inturn is the victim of his own faith and values " > > What kind of a Hindu shall Visit a darga or christain church? under whatever pretext. > > This itself shows eroding values of lack of convictions and knowledge about our own religion. > > It would be better to frame the sentence " Hindus are the victims of their lack of faith and convictions " . > > Simple: how many Muslims or christains do you see praying to a hindu god - TOOOOO negligible. But how many of them do you see engaged constantly to convert hindus or do not loose a chance to show that Hinduism is useless in twarting the poverty of the people and hindu gods are dummies- TOOOOOO Many. > > Hindus become easy prey for others including our own money mongers. > > The irony is that the  so called intelligent and powerfull hindus of Tamilnadu who regard themselves as distinct from rest of India, has not raised a single finger against such blasphemy. > > Hope this is taken in good spirit. > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > >  > > > > ________________________________ > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > Sunday, August 9, 2009 11:26:42 PM > Re: Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu > >  > Dear Sirs, > Temples have always occupied a prime role in our culture.mainly built as a place for social gathering and communions have acquired prominence over the years due to the faith and trust bestowed by the people. > man looks around to build his confidence to face the day after.he sees himself engulfed in various issues connected with livelihood.he knows that he can tackle them but worried of uncertainities. These uncertainities with a loose thread are linked to fate,bahgya or otherwise destiny with which an aethiest,ardent believer of God and a Theologist are always concerned. > with wide spread awareness in jyotish and the relationship of Gods with planets,commercial means cropped up and the Govts thought to relax from moral responsibilities by passing lao of charitable Institutions and also ways to divert these funds for some other cause.People entrusted with up keep of temples including priests understood their role and importance to squeeze and pinch pockets.Dawn of Political with emphsis on religion have certainly did harm to social fabric. > Spacious temples built for worship have suddenly become inadequate.Modern audio systems have helped in marketing Gods and even our Dharmas.In the name of God and religion one can find lot of money laundering around. > v have witnessed irrspective of geographical limitations right from jammu Kashmir to kanykumari whether the God is of Hindus or of mosleems or Christians.we visit Ajmeer darga to pacify rahu and velankanni to pacify Moon and rameswaram to appease Sun.All have played very important role in mitigating the hardships of common.man.Man inturn is the victim of his own faith and values.whom to blame? > vrkrishnan > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) >  > > --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > Re: Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu > > Sunday, August 9, 2009, 1:09 PM > >  > > Dear Suresh babu, > > well in the name of secularism we have given a Timeless extension to JIZYA tax of our invaders till this day THE MONEY FROM TEMPLE COLLECTION, HUNDI, AND LANDS GIVEN TO IT BY THE ANCIENT KINGS or wealthy or even the poor have been subsidising other minorities institutions AND HAVE NO AUTONOMY either to start a educational institution have to account foreign funds but not our invaders who have indipendent boards or beyond any scruitny . even sikhs who have to go to Nanak sahab accross theb order don't get such previleges for their great contribution to the freedom movements or the sports, art, culture, cusine of this country. > > so the ticket sales have to be in place to suit our politicians none of the minorities have asked for it, but the rulers want to exploit them sadly than help them. so we must blame only or politicians no one else. they also sit on temple boards and enjot special priveleges over others. > > prashant > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@ > > > Sunday, August 9, 2009 9:23:30 PM > Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu > > Dear sankaranarayanan k.s > Namasthe, > > Thanks for providing this valuable information. Many of the traditional importance regarding our temples and places of worship has been sidelined or lost and given way to publicity and money mongers. > > what is appaling in Tamilnadu and not seen elsewhere in India is even to step inside the most of these temples to have a quite prayer, you have to take a ticket ranging from Rs2/- to Rs5/-. Amount is not important but the very thought that a devotee has to buy a ticket to have even a distant darshan inside a temple (closer darshan will cost far more) is totaly against traditional values and concept of Hindu religion and is total repulsive. I have travelled a lot in Tamilnadu and visited most of these temple. What I have written is my own experience. > > Any way thanks a lot. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > , " sankaranarayanan k.s " <shankypriyan@ ...> wrote: > > > > you have missed the attachment > >  > > detailsbelow > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Start from Chidambaram > > > > > >  > > > >  > > > >  > > > > > >  > > > >  > > > >  > > > > > > Mangal > > > > Vaitheswaran Temple > > > > 25 KM > > > > > > Budha > > > > Thiruvenkadu > > > > 10 Km from Vaitheswaran Temple towards Nagapatnam > > > > > > Ketu > > > > Keezh Perumballam > > > > Another 6 Kms > > > > > > Sun > > > > Sorriyanar Koil > > > > 30 Kms from Vaitheeswaran koil - on the way to Kumabakonam > > > > > > Sukra > > > > Kanjanur > > > > 3 km from sooryanar koil > > > > > >  > > > > Reach Kumabakonam - another 12 kms > > > > > > Raghu > > > > Tirunageswaram > > > > 6 kms from Kumbakonam > > > > > > Moon > > > > Thingalur > > > > 30 Kms from Kumbakonam on the way to Thiruvaiyaru > > > > > > Saturn > > > > Thirunallaru > > > > 45 kms from kumbakonam on the way to Karaikal > > > > > > Guru > > > > Alangudi > > > > 20 kms from Kumbakonam - Dakshinamoorthy > > > > > > Guru > > > > Thittai > > > > 40 Kms from Kumbakonam on the way to Tanjore.Brahaspathi > >  > > Navagraha Khestras > >  > > From Chennai you can first reach Chidambaram ( Famous Natraj temple) and start covering the places. If you start from Trichy, then start from Tanjore on the reverse order. > >  > > > > Vaitheswaran Temple: Glorified by the 6th Century Thevaram, the Tamil name of the temple is Pulirukkuveluer. Ie Pul + Irukku + Vel + ur. Ur is village. Pul is bird, here Jadayu, Irukku is Rig Veda, Vel is lord Muruga. This temple is worshipped by Jadayu, Rig Veda and Lord Muruga. > >  > > Legend is when the world was suffering with health problem, Shiva and Parvathy came as a doctor couples. Hence the name Vaidhyanatha to the lord and the town is now called in lord’s name. The theertha is called Sidhamirtha theertha and bathing in the tank and worshipping god and goddess cures one from all health problems. Lord Mangal had his curse cured here and has a separate shrine in the outer prahara. Sthala vriksha is neem. > >  > > > > Thiruvenkadu: Thiru is Sri, Ven is white and kadu is forest. Swetharanyam in Sanskrit. Glorified in Thevaram and Valmiki Ramayana. When Ram, Lakshman and Seetha were bathing in Godavari and coming out in aranya kanda, valmiki says it looked like Lord Shiva and Parvathi walking with Nandhi leading the way in Swetharanya Kshetra. > >  > > Here there are three theerthas and bathing in all three theerthas is important. There is a Vadaranya and shradh can be performed like the brahmakapala. Lord is in 3 forms here Shiva, Nataraja and Agoraveerabhadra. Hence 3 tanks and 3 sthala vriksha. > >  > > Budha got his nabumsak curse cured and has a separate shrine in the outer prahara. > >  > > > >  Kil perumballam. This shiva temple has a separate Ketu shrine and ketu had his curse cured here. This temple is not glorified in thevara. Infact the Thirukketheswaram in Srilanka is glorified in thevaram as the temple worshipped by Ketu. If possible Thirukketheswaram should be worshipped .The Kilperumpallam temple though not glorified in thevaram is definitely of before 6th century origin. > > Sun: Sooriyanar Koil: Sooriyan is Sun in Tamil. This is actually 2 temples. The Shiva temple is called Thirumanagalakudi glorified in thevaram ( it is just opposite to the Sun temple) and the Navagraha temple opposite to the Shiva temple. > >  > > Kalava Maharishi had Kushtarog and did a severe penance to Navagrahas. Navagrahas appeared before him and cured his Kushtarog. Since Navagraha’s duty is to give as per once karma and they donot have any right to cure anybody, they were cursed to have kushtarog. > >  > > The Navagrahas did severe penance to Pranavaradeswara at Thirumanagalkudi and lord cured their kushtarog. They were told to bless the people who worship him. The Navagrahas have a separate temple with Sun having the central shrine with his consorts, Bruhaspathi facing him and all the other seven surrounding him. > >  > > Sthala vriksha is Urga ( Erukku) and on Sundays eating curd rice in Urga leaf is supposed to cure disease. > >  > >  > > > > Kanjanur: Here there is no separate Sukra shrine. Lord Vishnu during Vamanavatar, pierced the eyes of Sukra when he blocked Mahabali from giving the land to lord Vishnu. Vishnu worshipped lord Shiva ( Agneswara) for this Sukra dosha and hence this is a Sukra sthala. Glorified in Thevaram. > >  > > > > Raghu: Thirunageswaram as the name suggest worshipped by the serpent Raghu. Glorified in Thevaram lord Naganatha swamy is the presiding deity. There two shrines for Parvathy. Pirainudal kanni on whom the moons rays fall on Karthik Poornima and Girigujambiga who is having Lakshmi and Saraswathi on her both sides. > >  > > Raghu with his two consorts has a separate shrine in the outer prahara. Special poojas performed daily on Rahukalams with milk. The milk turns blue during and after abishekam. > >  > > > > Saturn:  Thirunallaru glorified in Thevaram. Thiru + Nal + Aru. Thiru is Sri, Nal is Nala and aru here is not river. It is cured. ( Arudal) Place where Nala was cured. When Nala had bath in the theertha ( called Nala theertha now) and entered the temple Saturn could not follow him and stayed out and thus Nala was cured by lord Sani. Lord Darbaranyeswara ( Sthala vriksha is Darba grass) and goddess Bogamartha Poon Mulaiyal . Saturn has a shrine at the entrance. > >  > > Taking an oil bath in Nala theertha and worshipping Lord Dharbaranyeswara and Saturn is advised for Sani dosha. On Saturdays there will be long queue and will take minimum 6 to 7 hours for darshan. > >  > > > > Moon: Thingalur, Thingal is moon in Tamil. The Thevaram of this temple is missing but there is a thevaram sung in this temple to cure a devotee’s snake bite by saint Appar is available. As the name indicates Chandra worshipped Lord and has a separate shrine. > >  > > > > Guru: Lord Guru has two temples both glorified by Thevaram. In Alangudi Apatsahyeswara temple, the Dakshinamoorthy is worshipped as Guru and in Thittai Vasishteswara temple Brahaspathi worshipped Shiva and has a separate shirine near lord himself. > >  > >  > > When visiting these temples also Visit: > >  > > > > Chidambaram Natraja Temple > > Thiruvidaimarudhur Mahalingaswamy ( madyarjuna) > > Pattesswaram Durga > > Thirumananjeri ( Marriage Kshetra) > > Thirukkarukavur ( Garbarakshambiga for safe child birth) > > Meda Dakshinamoorthy in Mayuram > > Big temple in Tanjore and Gangai Konda Cholapuram > >  > > If possible to Srirangam and Thiruvanaikovil in Trichy. > >  > > Please Note: > >  > > > > The Lord is present in these Shrines for us and giving an easy remedy for lesser mortals like us. Since we could not do severe penance, he is present in these temples and by just having a darshan, we will be relieved. Our Rishis pradishta power, The Tamil saint’s thevara song power and lord’s grace has helped to sustain this. You will really feel the lord in all these kshetras and the radiance . > >  > > Many are visiting as a one day picnic and focus on grahas only without even worshipping lord shiva. Since the grahas are in the outer prahara and when the temple is closed in the noon as per Agama sastras, people just visit the outer prahara and leave for next. > >  > > Please note that it is important to worship Shiva and Paravathy in the temple first. Bathe in the Tanks. Have Upavas and if not possible have milk and fruits and take Prasad for eating. > >  > > Take 3 days off and visit strictly as per sastras. > >  > > > > > > --- On Sat, 8/8/09, sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ ...> > > Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu > > > > Saturday, August 8, 2009, 1:01 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > I am sending you a small article on the Navagraha Khsetras of Tamilnadu. Our Great Sages experainced lord all over Bharatavarsha and requested him to be present there. Their penance, Their Yantra and Prana pradishta are felt even today. > > > > Hence these kshetras had continuous pujas for centuries. Also are glorified by the Tamil saints in Thevaram. ( Thevaram is on Lord Siva and Divyaprabandam is on Vishnu.) > > > > You need to visit atleast once in your life time. Extreme case you can outsource the Pujas. The dewasthanams of these temples are well maintained and sincerely perform pujas and you can approach them directly for the conduct of any Pujas. > > > > Please mail me if you want to know anything further on these temple. > > > > Regards > > > > Sankar > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Sir, The change over of rulership to Democracy has it's own expression of freedom of worship.Kings being mostly from Hidus and Mosleems,there is no doubt we r mostly affiliated to one of these religions.when british hegemoney and with the dawn of westren culture,the concept of traditions culture and values took a dent.rather v have seen emercence of secular idea.our intention is not to infer whether it is good or bad for the future of nation.However the point that needs clarity is the culture that reflects our ideals as a nation of the subcontinnent has shown tolerance and given room for every body to worship in their own way.The factor of dominance inbuilt in democracy will continue to be reflected as Hindus having a say in rulership and others as minorities relegated to back seat.Govts rulership has conveneiently enacted laws to appease priests to earn their livelihood by way of fees and charges from interested devotees. These differences rooted in the secularism though gives room for fair worship of Gods ,the irresponsibility of could be seen in St cathedral Church in Goa to Kasi Viswanadh ji Mandir .From mecca masjid in Delhi to rameswaram to nagole in Tamilnadu.All these Institutions have ways and means.The rich for them like Ambani is a different kind of devotee as compared to a poor man who lives for the sake of two times meal in a day gets neglected. Institutionshave recognition as Maharajas or as modern  Dana kartas has certain room by way of inscription of their names on plaques for patronage and ever ready to afford money which can be obtained from these so called affluent class any time.The gain however came in the form of beautification of temples,building q lines .free distribution of food in the name of Anna Danam Schemes.Unions of priests,scholars and others who take care of temples are have their prominence by getting their livelihood from temple darshan tickets and prasadam sales.whenGo'd become Income tax payees and wealth tax becomes share of Govt to provide basic amenities for a developing country it is the social development of the areas gets credence.probably with some idignation v have to compromise with the growing fad of worship.no doubt dollars as international currency has precedence over much neglected rupee note dealt in toiled hands. There is little v can do about the whole issue after the six decades our own rulership of nation.unlike in the hilly tracts beyond vindhyas,the culture of communions and worshp collectively has low significance.our own rituals and concepts has tied us close to relgious heads and priests to bring Gods in to four walls and worship omly for the sake of our own good quietly.Religion and worship certainly has costs and sombody has to undergo pressure of poverty and livelihood.Gots making temples/Institutions autonomous only reflects that common interests have no recognition. " Pay as u use' coined well for utilities including for places for worship.There is always somebody stretching his hand as he is identified with the Gods.perhaps making distinction of Gods getting share of international currency as minority is not to be a base and feel for misdeeds. Navagrahas in Mali Mandir Temple costs whopping rs 1200 for one time worshipog an hour or so. these crowded places get recognition from the point of view of popularity and the vist of rhaman Ji,Ambani Ji and kahdi dressed gandhian with balck cats around.R V not aiding all these people to get charged by way of fees.Though God every where is the same stone but the God that recieves worships from millions has edge over neglected who has no deeparadhan performed twice a day and temple opens and closes for the sake of village heads.How can v think religious institutions and palces of worship to be free from importance of money.it is ofcourse our won helpless frustation we brings out as the occassion was given/provided.No v can not revert back to free and satisfactory close look of Gods with out sacrificing minimum time to satnd in que line and also face risks of attacks from unlawful and prejudiced minds that r always to do anything for the sake of money.Moneys matters for every bodu and Gods r not exception.Kind hearted Brahmin known to be person taken responsibility to conduct worship is a person hailing from a beaten community and awaits these to get photographed with politicians.The tips they get r their livelihood to educate their children as engineers and Doctots. vrkrishnan Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services)  --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote: Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag Re: Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu Sunday, August 9, 2009, 2:34 PM  Dear Krishna ji, I made this point about Tamilnadu temple only to show the injustice done to Hinduism as a whole. I don't know who is behind the concept of charging devottes even to enter them or who is benefitting by it. Whatever may be the reason, it is absurd. Now the last point you made  " we visit Ajmeer darga to pacify rahu and velankanni to pacify Moon " & " Man inturn is the victim of his own faith and values " What kind of a Hindu shall Visit a darga or christain church? under whatever pretext. This itself shows eroding values of lack of convictions and knowledge about our own religion. It would be better to frame the sentence " Hindus are the victims of their lack of faith and convictions " . Simple: how many Muslims or christains do you see praying to a hindu god - TOOOOO negligible. But how many of them do you see engaged constantly to convert hindus or do not loose a chance to show that Hinduism is useless in twarting the poverty of the people and hindu gods are dummies- TOOOOOO Many. Hindus become easy prey for others including our own money mongers. The irony is that the  so called intelligent and powerfull hindus of Tamilnadu who regard themselves as distinct from rest of India, has not raised a single finger against such blasphemy. Hope this is taken in good spirit. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy  ____________ _________ _________ __ Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > Sunday, August 9, 2009 11:26:42 PM Re: Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu  Dear Sirs, Temples have always occupied a prime role in our culture.mainly built as a place for social gathering and communions have acquired prominence over the years due to the faith and trust bestowed by the people. man looks around to build his confidence to face the day after.he sees himself engulfed in various issues connected with livelihood.he knows that he can tackle them but worried of uncertainities. These uncertainities with a loose thread are linked to fate,bahgya or otherwise destiny with which an aethiest,ardent believer of God and a Theologist are always concerned. with wide spread awareness in jyotish and the relationship of Gods with planets,commercial means cropped up and the Govts thought to relax from moral responsibilities by passing lao of charitable Institutions and also ways to divert these funds for some other cause.People entrusted with up keep of temples including priests understood their role and importance to squeeze and pinch pockets.Dawn of Political with emphsis on religion have certainly did harm to social fabric. Spacious temples built for worship have suddenly become inadequate.Modern audio systems have helped in marketing Gods and even our Dharmas.In the name of God and religion one can find lot of money laundering around. v have witnessed irrspective of geographical limitations right from jammu Kashmir to kanykumari whether the God is of Hindus or of mosleems or Christians.we visit Ajmeer darga to pacify rahu and velankanni to pacify Moon and rameswaram to appease Sun.All have played very important role in mitigating the hardships of common.man.Man inturn is the victim of his own faith and values.whom to blame? vrkrishnan Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services)  --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > Re: Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu Sunday, August 9, 2009, 1:09 PM  Dear Suresh babu, well in the name of secularism we have given a Timeless extension to JIZYA tax of our invaders till this day THE MONEY FROM TEMPLE COLLECTION, HUNDI, AND LANDS GIVEN TO IT BY THE ANCIENT KINGS or wealthy or even the poor have been subsidising other minorities institutions AND HAVE NO AUTONOMY either to start a educational institution have to account foreign funds but not our invaders who have indipendent boards or beyond any scruitny . even sikhs who have to go to Nanak sahab accross theb order don't get such previleges for their great contribution to the freedom movements or the sports, art, culture, cusine of this country. so the ticket sales have to be in place to suit our politicians none of the minorities have asked for it, but the rulers want to exploit them sadly than help them. so we must blame only or politicians no one else. they also sit on temple boards and enjot special priveleges over others. prashant ____________ _________ _________ __ sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@ > Sunday, August 9, 2009 9:23:30 PM Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu Dear sankaranarayanan k.s Namasthe, Thanks for providing this valuable information. Many of the traditional importance regarding our temples and places of worship has been sidelined or lost and given way to publicity and money mongers. what is appaling in Tamilnadu and not seen elsewhere in India is even to step inside the most of these temples to have a quite prayer, you have to take a ticket ranging from Rs2/- to Rs5/-. Amount is not important but the very thought that a devotee has to buy a ticket to have even a distant darshan inside a temple (closer darshan will cost far more) is totaly against traditional values and concept of Hindu religion and is total repulsive. I have travelled a lot in Tamilnadu and visited most of these temple. What I have written is my own experience. Any way thanks a lot. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy , " sankaranarayanan k.s " <shankypriyan@ ....> wrote: > > you have missed the attachment >  > detailsbelow > > > > > >  > > Start from Chidambaram > > >  > >  > >  > > >  > >  > >  > > > Mangal > > Vaitheswaran Temple > > 25 KM > > > Budha > > Thiruvenkadu > > 10 Km from Vaitheswaran Temple towards Nagapatnam > > > Ketu > > Keezh Perumballam > > Another 6 Kms > > > Sun > > Sorriyanar Koil > > 30 Kms from Vaitheeswaran koil - on the way to Kumabakonam > > > Sukra > > Kanjanur > > 3 km from sooryanar koil > > >  > > Reach Kumabakonam - another 12 kms > > > Raghu > > Tirunageswaram > > 6 kms from Kumbakonam > > > Moon > > Thingalur > > 30 Kms from Kumbakonam on the way to Thiruvaiyaru > > > Saturn > > Thirunallaru > > 45 kms from kumbakonam on the way to Karaikal > > > Guru > > Alangudi > > 20 kms from Kumbakonam - Dakshinamoorthy > > > Guru > > Thittai > > 40 Kms from Kumbakonam on the way to Tanjore.Brahaspathi >  > Navagraha Khestras >  > From Chennai you can first reach Chidambaram ( Famous Natraj temple) and start covering the places. If you start from Trichy, then start from Tanjore on the reverse order. >  > > Vaitheswaran Temple: Glorified by the 6th Century Thevaram, the Tamil name of the temple is Pulirukkuveluer. Ie Pul + Irukku + Vel + ur. Ur is village. Pul is bird, here Jadayu, Irukku is Rig Veda, Vel is lord Muruga. This temple is worshipped by Jadayu, Rig Veda and Lord Muruga. >  > Legend is when the world was suffering with health problem, Shiva and Parvathy came as a doctor couples. Hence the name Vaidhyanatha to the lord and the town is now called in lord’s name. The theertha is called Sidhamirtha theertha and bathing in the tank and worshipping god and goddess cures one from all health problems. Lord Mangal had his curse cured here and has a separate shrine in the outer prahara. Sthala vriksha is neem. >  > > Thiruvenkadu: Thiru is Sri, Ven is white and kadu is forest. Swetharanyam in Sanskrit. Glorified in Thevaram and Valmiki Ramayana. When Ram, Lakshman and Seetha were bathing in Godavari and coming out in aranya kanda, valmiki says it looked like Lord Shiva and Parvathi walking with Nandhi leading the way in Swetharanya Kshetra. >  > Here there are three theerthas and bathing in all three theerthas is important. There is a Vadaranya and shradh can be performed like the brahmakapala. Lord is in 3 forms here Shiva, Nataraja and Agoraveerabhadra. Hence 3 tanks and 3 sthala vriksha. >  > Budha got his nabumsak curse cured and has a separate shrine in the outer prahara. >  > >  Kil perumballam. This shiva temple has a separate Ketu shrine and ketu had his curse cured here. This temple is not glorified in thevara. Infact the Thirukketheswaram in Srilanka is glorified in thevaram as the temple worshipped by Ketu. If possible Thirukketheswaram should be worshipped .The Kilperumpallam temple though not glorified in thevaram is definitely of before 6th century origin. > Sun: Sooriyanar Koil: Sooriyan is Sun in Tamil. This is actually 2 temples. The Shiva temple is called Thirumanagalakudi glorified in thevaram ( it is just opposite to the Sun temple) and the Navagraha temple opposite to the Shiva temple. >  > Kalava Maharishi had Kushtarog and did a severe penance to Navagrahas. Navagrahas appeared before him and cured his Kushtarog. Since Navagraha’s duty is to give as per once karma and they donot have any right to cure anybody, they were cursed to have kushtarog. >  > The Navagrahas did severe penance to Pranavaradeswara at Thirumanagalkudi and lord cured their kushtarog. They were told to bless the people who worship him. The Navagrahas have a separate temple with Sun having the central shrine with his consorts, Bruhaspathi facing him and all the other seven surrounding him. >  > Sthala vriksha is Urga ( Erukku) and on Sundays eating curd rice in Urga leaf is supposed to cure disease. >  >  > > Kanjanur: Here there is no separate Sukra shrine. Lord Vishnu during Vamanavatar, pierced the eyes of Sukra when he blocked Mahabali from giving the land to lord Vishnu. Vishnu worshipped lord Shiva ( Agneswara) for this Sukra dosha and hence this is a Sukra sthala. Glorified in Thevaram. >  > > Raghu: Thirunageswaram as the name suggest worshipped by the serpent Raghu. Glorified in Thevaram lord Naganatha swamy is the presiding deity. There two shrines for Parvathy. Pirainudal kanni on whom the moons rays fall on Karthik Poornima and Girigujambiga who is having Lakshmi and Saraswathi on her both sides. >  > Raghu with his two consorts has a separate shrine in the outer prahara. Special poojas performed daily on Rahukalams with milk. The milk turns blue during and after abishekam. >  > > Saturn:  Thirunallaru glorified in Thevaram. Thiru + Nal + Aru. Thiru is Sri, Nal is Nala and aru here is not river. It is cured. ( Arudal) Place where Nala was cured. When Nala had bath in the theertha ( called Nala theertha now) and entered the temple Saturn could not follow him and stayed out and thus Nala was cured by lord Sani. Lord Darbaranyeswara ( Sthala vriksha is Darba grass) and goddess Bogamartha Poon Mulaiyal . Saturn has a shrine at the entrance. >  > Taking an oil bath in Nala theertha and worshipping Lord Dharbaranyeswara and Saturn is advised for Sani dosha. On Saturdays there will be long queue and will take minimum 6 to 7 hours for darshan. >  > > Moon: Thingalur, Thingal is moon in Tamil. The Thevaram of this temple is missing but there is a thevaram sung in this temple to cure a devotee’s snake bite by saint Appar is available. As the name indicates Chandra worshipped Lord and has a separate shrine. >  > > Guru: Lord Guru has two temples both glorified by Thevaram. In Alangudi Apatsahyeswara temple, the Dakshinamoorthy is worshipped as Guru and in Thittai Vasishteswara temple Brahaspathi worshipped Shiva and has a separate shirine near lord himself. >  >  > When visiting these temples also Visit: >  > > Chidambaram Natraja Temple > Thiruvidaimarudhur Mahalingaswamy ( madyarjuna) > Pattesswaram Durga > Thirumananjeri ( Marriage Kshetra) > Thirukkarukavur ( Garbarakshambiga for safe child birth) > Meda Dakshinamoorthy in Mayuram > Big temple in Tanjore and Gangai Konda Cholapuram >  > If possible to Srirangam and Thiruvanaikovil in Trichy. >  > Please Note: >  > > The Lord is present in these Shrines for us and giving an easy remedy for lesser mortals like us. Since we could not do severe penance, he is present in these temples and by just having a darshan, we will be relieved. Our Rishis pradishta power, The Tamil saint’s thevara song power and lord’s grace has helped to sustain this. You will really feel the lord in all these kshetras and the radiance . >  > Many are visiting as a one day picnic and focus on grahas only without even worshipping lord shiva. Since the grahas are in the outer prahara and when the temple is closed in the noon as per Agama sastras, people just visit the outer prahara and leave for next. >  > Please note that it is important to worship Shiva and Paravathy in the temple first. Bathe in the Tanks. Have Upavas and if not possible have milk and fruits and take Prasad for eating. >  > Take 3 days off and visit strictly as per sastras. >  > > > --- On Sat, 8/8/09, sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ ...> wrote: > > > sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ ...> > Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu > > Saturday, August 8, 2009, 1:01 PM > > >  > > > > Dear All > > I am sending you a small article on the Navagraha Khsetras of Tamilnadu. Our Great Sages experainced lord all over Bharatavarsha and requested him to be present there. Their penance, Their Yantra and Prana pradishta are felt even today. > > Hence these kshetras had continuous pujas for centuries. Also are glorified by the Tamil saints in Thevaram. ( Thevaram is on Lord Siva and Divyaprabandam is on Vishnu.) > > You need to visit atleast once in your life time. Extreme case you can outsource the Pujas. The dewasthanams of these temples are well maintained and sincerely perform pujas and you can approach them directly for the conduct of any Pujas. > > Please mail me if you want to know anything further on these temple. > > Regards > > Sankar > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Dear Pdt Arjun ji, Namasthe, Discriminination of kind or another is present in every society or country. If it is financial at one place, it is racial at another. This is not going to change. You must have heard about the recent racial problems that surfaced even in america and obama had to vertually appologise - a country which always condemned India to be racial. This can be found even in such countries like russia or china. They simply change the nature of discrimination. That is all. You have mentioned south India as a whole. I am sorry to tell you, this does not happen in Kerala where you can enter freely inside the temple (depending on customs) and conduct your silent prayer. The only exception perhaps is Sabarimala - during mandala & guruvayur. Here also the entry is totaly free. You may not be able to spend much time inside during special months due to heavy rush, but these are only for a few days after which you can spend ample time inside the temple -depending on rituals & customs and no one will ask you any questions. Forget about special darshans or pooja etc. In Tamilnadu you may have to pay even just to enter the temple. you dont want to go into sanctum sanctorum or do any poojas - just for sitting inside the temple and pray on your own silently. this is what I call absurd and against hindu dharma. In North India, the exploitation is in a different way, that is all. Just look at Puri temple and try to understand what is happening to Lord krishna's idol. Only yesterday one person wrote about having to pay Rs 15000/- for a navagraha homa. In kerala it won't cost more than Rs1500/-       We do it at home and know its expences. so exploitation of one kind or another could be found every where. BUT as a devotee, one must not be charged to step inside a temple - as if you are visiting a Zoo - That is what Tamilnadu has done with their temples - A Zoo and Dikshitars, iyers, iyengars etc are silent about it. Sorry for strong words. But when you are proud about culture & laud about it BUT shut your eye towards injustice cannot be tolerated. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ________________________________ panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 Monday, August 10, 2009 7:18:06 AM Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu  dear friends firstly we all shall accept with shame that only in hinduism we have gods giving closest darshan only to rich people. we do not find charges for visiting a church, a mosque or any holy place of other religions. but, the silver lining is that east, west and north india do not have this culture of charging money to have a glimpse of god and only south india has this biased discrimination which can be condoned, for 75 percent of indian gods are free for darshan. like most temples in south, tirupati balaji temple is the worst example of looting money in the name of darshan. a person paying crores of rupees donation or rich peple who contribute are given a straight darshan in the VIP access which is now 6 to 8 hours daily and the distance from the diety is only in feet. then those who pay beween two thousand rupees to five thousand rupees got two hours of exclusive darshan and their distance is in meters. those who wait patiently for several hours or days for darshan without fees (free) would watch from an even farther distance. ironically, corruption is the rootcause of this practice and those akhardham temples which dont charge one paisa for having darshan of thier gods are more richer than tirumala but are not known to many as hyped out by tirumala. they do charge for visiting their gardens, complexes, theatres, galleries etc. but not the temple. you visit any jyotirlingas in north, east or west(except the couple in south) no fees. you visit ram in ayodhya or krishna in mathura both in north, no fees. you visit amarnath and vaishnodevi in kashmir or badarinath and kedarnath in uttaranchal, there is no fees. but come to south, stash your pockets with monies to go closer to god. this is one reason that is making more hindus to convert to christianity or embrace islam as poor hindus can go to a god whom they can afford without paying money, rather this new god is giving goodies for visiting him. so, unless we clearly practice that all are equal in front of god and eliminate fees, poor people cannot afford rich gods and look for alternative free gods. as regards some justifying the fee structure, they must realise that there are many ways to generate money like renting the premises for functions and rituals, renting from shops and hotels, charging from helicopter or car parkers, taking voluntary donations (no force) for development of the fund. at this juncture, i appreciate the birlas who constructed few grandest temples across india and their beautiful temples even in south do not charge any money. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy .com , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Krishna ji, > > I made this point about Tamilnadu temple only to show the injustice done to Hinduism as a whole. I don't know who is behind the concept of charging devottes even to enter them or who is benefitting by it. Whatever may be the reason, it is absurd. > > Now the last point you made >  " we visit Ajmeer darga to pacify rahu and velankanni to pacify Moon " & > " Man inturn is the victim of his own faith and values " > > What kind of a Hindu shall Visit a darga or christain church? under whatever pretext. > > This itself shows eroding values of lack of convictions and knowledge about our own religion. > > It would be better to frame the sentence " Hindus are the victims of their lack of faith and convictions " . > > Simple: how many Muslims or christains do you see praying to a hindu god - TOOOOO negligible. But how many of them do you see engaged constantly to convert hindus or do not loose a chance to show that Hinduism is useless in twarting the poverty of the people and hindu gods are dummies- TOOOOOO Many. > > Hindus become easy prey for others including our own money mongers. > > The irony is that the  so called intelligent and powerfull hindus of Tamilnadu who regard themselves as distinct from rest of India, has not raised a single finger against such blasphemy. > > Hope this is taken in good spirit. > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > >  > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> > > Sunday, August 9, 2009 11:26:42 PM > Re: Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu > >  > Dear Sirs, > Temples have always occupied a prime role in our culture.mainly built as a place for social gathering and communions have acquired prominence over the years due to the faith and trust bestowed by the people. > man looks around to build his confidence to face the day after.he sees himself engulfed in various issues connected with livelihood.he knows that he can tackle them but worried of uncertainities. These uncertainities with a loose thread are linked to fate,bahgya or otherwise destiny with which an aethiest,ardent believer of God and a Theologist are always concerned. > with wide spread awareness in jyotish and the relationship of Gods with planets,commercial means cropped up and the Govts thought to relax from moral responsibilities by passing lao of charitable Institutions and also ways to divert these funds for some other cause.People entrusted with up keep of temples including priests understood their role and importance to squeeze and pinch pockets.Dawn of Political with emphsis on religion have certainly did harm to social fabric. > Spacious temples built for worship have suddenly become inadequate.Modern audio systems have helped in marketing Gods and even our Dharmas.In the name of God and religion one can find lot of money laundering around. > v have witnessed irrspective of geographical limitations right from jammu Kashmir to kanykumari whether the God is of Hindus or of mosleems or Christians.we visit Ajmeer darga to pacify rahu and velankanni to pacify Moon and rameswaram to appease Sun.All have played very important role in mitigating the hardships of common.man.Man inturn is the victim of his own faith and values.whom to blame? > vrkrishnan > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) >  > > --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > Re: Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu > > Sunday, August 9, 2009, 1:09 PM > >  > > Dear Suresh babu, > > well in the name of secularism we have given a Timeless extension to JIZYA tax of our invaders till this day THE MONEY FROM TEMPLE COLLECTION, HUNDI, AND LANDS GIVEN TO IT BY THE ANCIENT KINGS or wealthy or even the poor have been subsidising other minorities institutions AND HAVE NO AUTONOMY either to start a educational institution have to account foreign funds but not our invaders who have indipendent boards or beyond any scruitny . even sikhs who have to go to Nanak sahab accross theb order don't get such previleges for their great contribution to the freedom movements or the sports, art, culture, cusine of this country. > > so the ticket sales have to be in place to suit our politicians none of the minorities have asked for it, but the rulers want to exploit them sadly than help them. so we must blame only or politicians no one else. they also sit on temple boards and enjot special priveleges over others. > > prashant > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@ > > > Sunday, August 9, 2009 9:23:30 PM > Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu > > Dear sankaranarayanan k.s > Namasthe, > > Thanks for providing this valuable information. Many of the traditional importance regarding our temples and places of worship has been sidelined or lost and given way to publicity and money mongers. > > what is appaling in Tamilnadu and not seen elsewhere in India is even to step inside the most of these temples to have a quite prayer, you have to take a ticket ranging from Rs2/- to Rs5/-. Amount is not important but the very thought that a devotee has to buy a ticket to have even a distant darshan inside a temple (closer darshan will cost far more) is totaly against traditional values and concept of Hindu religion and is total repulsive. I have travelled a lot in Tamilnadu and visited most of these temple. What I have written is my own experience. > > Any way thanks a lot. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > , " sankaranarayanan k.s " <shankypriyan@ ...> wrote: > > > > you have missed the attachment > >  > > detailsbelow > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Start from Chidambaram > > > > > >  > > > >  > > > >  > > > > > >  > > > >  > > > >  > > > > > > Mangal > > > > Vaitheswaran Temple > > > > 25 KM > > > > > > Budha > > > > Thiruvenkadu > > > > 10 Km from Vaitheswaran Temple towards Nagapatnam > > > > > > Ketu > > > > Keezh Perumballam > > > > Another 6 Kms > > > > > > Sun > > > > Sorriyanar Koil > > > > 30 Kms from Vaitheeswaran koil - on the way to Kumabakonam > > > > > > Sukra > > > > Kanjanur > > > > 3 km from sooryanar koil > > > > > >  > > > > Reach Kumabakonam - another 12 kms > > > > > > Raghu > > > > Tirunageswaram > > > > 6 kms from Kumbakonam > > > > > > Moon > > > > Thingalur > > > > 30 Kms from Kumbakonam on the way to Thiruvaiyaru > > > > > > Saturn > > > > Thirunallaru > > > > 45 kms from kumbakonam on the way to Karaikal > > > > > > Guru > > > > Alangudi > > > > 20 kms from Kumbakonam - Dakshinamoorthy > > > > > > Guru > > > > Thittai > > > > 40 Kms from Kumbakonam on the way to Tanjore.Brahaspathi > >  > > Navagraha Khestras > >  > > From Chennai you can first reach Chidambaram ( Famous Natraj temple) and start covering the places. If you start from Trichy, then start from Tanjore on the reverse order. > >  > > > > Vaitheswaran Temple: Glorified by the 6th Century Thevaram, the Tamil name of the temple is Pulirukkuveluer. Ie Pul + Irukku + Vel + ur. Ur is village. Pul is bird, here Jadayu, Irukku is Rig Veda, Vel is lord Muruga. This temple is worshipped by Jadayu, Rig Veda and Lord Muruga. > >  > > Legend is when the world was suffering with health problem, Shiva and Parvathy came as a doctor couples. Hence the name Vaidhyanatha to the lord and the town is now called in lord’s name. The theertha is called Sidhamirtha theertha and bathing in the tank and worshipping god and goddess cures one from all health problems. Lord Mangal had his curse cured here and has a separate shrine in the outer prahara. Sthala vriksha is neem. > >  > > > > Thiruvenkadu: Thiru is Sri, Ven is white and kadu is forest. Swetharanyam in Sanskrit. Glorified in Thevaram and Valmiki Ramayana. When Ram, Lakshman and Seetha were bathing in Godavari and coming out in aranya kanda, valmiki says it looked like Lord Shiva and Parvathi walking with Nandhi leading the way in Swetharanya Kshetra. > >  > > Here there are three theerthas and bathing in all three theerthas is important. There is a Vadaranya and shradh can be performed like the brahmakapala. Lord is in 3 forms here Shiva, Nataraja and Agoraveerabhadra. Hence 3 tanks and 3 sthala vriksha. > >  > > Budha got his nabumsak curse cured and has a separate shrine in the outer prahara. > >  > > > >  Kil perumballam. This shiva temple has a separate Ketu shrine and ketu had his curse cured here. This temple is not glorified in thevara. Infact the Thirukketheswaram in Srilanka is glorified in thevaram as the temple worshipped by Ketu. If possible Thirukketheswaram should be worshipped .The Kilperumpallam temple though not glorified in thevaram is definitely of before 6th century origin. > > Sun: Sooriyanar Koil: Sooriyan is Sun in Tamil. This is actually 2 temples. The Shiva temple is called Thirumanagalakudi glorified in thevaram ( it is just opposite to the Sun temple) and the Navagraha temple opposite to the Shiva temple. > >  > > Kalava Maharishi had Kushtarog and did a severe penance to Navagrahas. Navagrahas appeared before him and cured his Kushtarog. Since Navagraha’s duty is to give as per once karma and they donot have any right to cure anybody, they were cursed to have kushtarog. > >  > > The Navagrahas did severe penance to Pranavaradeswara at Thirumanagalkudi and lord cured their kushtarog. They were told to bless the people who worship him. The Navagrahas have a separate temple with Sun having the central shrine with his consorts, Bruhaspathi facing him and all the other seven surrounding him. > >  > > Sthala vriksha is Urga ( Erukku) and on Sundays eating curd rice in Urga leaf is supposed to cure disease. > >  > >  > > > > Kanjanur: Here there is no separate Sukra shrine. Lord Vishnu during Vamanavatar, pierced the eyes of Sukra when he blocked Mahabali from giving the land to lord Vishnu. Vishnu worshipped lord Shiva ( Agneswara) for this Sukra dosha and hence this is a Sukra sthala. Glorified in Thevaram. > >  > > > > Raghu: Thirunageswaram as the name suggest worshipped by the serpent Raghu. Glorified in Thevaram lord Naganatha swamy is the presiding deity. There two shrines for Parvathy. Pirainudal kanni on whom the moons rays fall on Karthik Poornima and Girigujambiga who is having Lakshmi and Saraswathi on her both sides. > >  > > Raghu with his two consorts has a separate shrine in the outer prahara. Special poojas performed daily on Rahukalams with milk. The milk turns blue during and after abishekam. > >  > > > > Saturn:  Thirunallaru glorified in Thevaram. Thiru + Nal + Aru. Thiru is Sri, Nal is Nala and aru here is not river. It is cured. ( Arudal) Place where Nala was cured. When Nala had bath in the theertha ( called Nala theertha now) and entered the temple Saturn could not follow him and stayed out and thus Nala was cured by lord Sani. Lord Darbaranyeswara ( Sthala vriksha is Darba grass) and goddess Bogamartha Poon Mulaiyal . Saturn has a shrine at the entrance. > >  > > Taking an oil bath in Nala theertha and worshipping Lord Dharbaranyeswara and Saturn is advised for Sani dosha. On Saturdays there will be long queue and will take minimum 6 to 7 hours for darshan. > >  > > > > Moon: Thingalur, Thingal is moon in Tamil. The Thevaram of this temple is missing but there is a thevaram sung in this temple to cure a devotee’s snake bite by saint Appar is available. As the name indicates Chandra worshipped Lord and has a separate shrine. > >  > > > > Guru: Lord Guru has two temples both glorified by Thevaram. In Alangudi Apatsahyeswara temple, the Dakshinamoorthy is worshipped as Guru and in Thittai Vasishteswara temple Brahaspathi worshipped Shiva and has a separate shirine near lord himself. > >  > >  > > When visiting these temples also Visit: > >  > > > > Chidambaram Natraja Temple > > Thiruvidaimarudhur Mahalingaswamy ( madyarjuna) > > Pattesswaram Durga > > Thirumananjeri ( Marriage Kshetra) > > Thirukkarukavur ( Garbarakshambiga for safe child birth) > > Meda Dakshinamoorthy in Mayuram > > Big temple in Tanjore and Gangai Konda Cholapuram > >  > > If possible to Srirangam and Thiruvanaikovil in Trichy. > >  > > Please Note: > >  > > > > The Lord is present in these Shrines for us and giving an easy remedy for lesser mortals like us. Since we could not do severe penance, he is present in these temples and by just having a darshan, we will be relieved. Our Rishis pradishta power, The Tamil saint’s thevara song power and lord’s grace has helped to sustain this. You will really feel the lord in all these kshetras and the radiance . > >  > > Many are visiting as a one day picnic and focus on grahas only without even worshipping lord shiva. Since the grahas are in the outer prahara and when the temple is closed in the noon as per Agama sastras, people just visit the outer prahara and leave for next. > >  > > Please note that it is important to worship Shiva and Paravathy in the temple first. Bathe in the Tanks. Have Upavas and if not possible have milk and fruits and take Prasad for eating. > >  > > Take 3 days off and visit strictly as per sastras. > >  > > > > > > --- On Sat, 8/8/09, sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ ...> > > Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu > > > > Saturday, August 8, 2009, 1:01 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > I am sending you a small article on the Navagraha Khsetras of Tamilnadu. Our Great Sages experainced lord all over Bharatavarsha and requested him to be present there. Their penance, Their Yantra and Prana pradishta are felt even today. > > > > Hence these kshetras had continuous pujas for centuries. Also are glorified by the Tamil saints in Thevaram. ( Thevaram is on Lord Siva and Divyaprabandam is on Vishnu.) > > > > You need to visit atleast once in your life time. Extreme case you can outsource the Pujas. The dewasthanams of these temples are well maintained and sincerely perform pujas and you can approach them directly for the conduct of any Pujas. > > > > Please mail me if you want to know anything further on these temple. > > > > Regards > > > > Sankar > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Dear all  The temples were given huge lands for their maintenance but the " Secular " govts have taken all those, For maintaining these big temples money is needed. People pay Rs 300 a month for cable connection and spend a huge money on drinks.  Second there is no discrimination based on money in any temples.  For maintaing such big temples we do need money and has to come from devotees. The issue is we have to fight for reclaim of lands, use of temple money for temples.  You know the salary of the pujari in tamilnadu is less than Rs 1000 whereas the minimum salary of the maintenance staff of the same temple is 10000 plus and the admn officer gets 50k+  regards --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote: Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag Re: Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu Monday, August 10, 2009, 8:55 AM  Dear Pdt Arjun ji, Namasthe, Discriminination of kind or another is present in every society or country. If it is financial at one place, it is racial at another. This is not going to change. You must have heard about the recent racial problems that surfaced even in america and obama had to vertually appologise - a country which always condemned India to be racial. This can be found even in such countries like russia or china. They simply change the nature of discrimination. That is all. You have mentioned south India as a whole. I am sorry to tell you, this does not happen in Kerala where you can enter freely inside the temple (depending on customs) and conduct your silent prayer. The only exception perhaps is Sabarimala - during mandala & guruvayur. Here also the entry is totaly free. You may not be able to spend much time inside during special months due to heavy rush, but these are only for a few days after which you can spend ample time inside the temple -depending on rituals & customs and no one will ask you any questions. Forget about special darshans or pooja etc. In Tamilnadu you may have to pay even just to enter the temple. you dont want to go into sanctum sanctorum or do any poojas - just for sitting inside the temple and pray on your own silently. this is what I call absurd and against hindu dharma. In North India, the exploitation is in a different way, that is all. Just look at Puri temple and try to understand what is happening to Lord krishna's idol. Only yesterday one person wrote about having to pay Rs 15000/- for a navagraha homa. In kerala it won't cost more than Rs1500/-       We do it at home and know its expences. so exploitation of one kind or another could be found every where. BUT as a devotee, one must not be charged to step inside a temple - as if you are visiting a Zoo - That is what Tamilnadu has done with their temples - A Zoo and Dikshitars, iyers, iyengars etc are silent about it. Sorry for strong words. But when you are proud about culture & laud about it BUT shut your eye towards injustice cannot be tolerated. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > Monday, August 10, 2009 7:18:06 AM Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu  dear friends firstly we all shall accept with shame that only in hinduism we have gods giving closest darshan only to rich people. we do not find charges for visiting a church, a mosque or any holy place of other religions. but, the silver lining is that east, west and north india do not have this culture of charging money to have a glimpse of god and only south india has this biased discrimination which can be condoned, for 75 percent of indian gods are free for darshan. like most temples in south, tirupati balaji temple is the worst example of looting money in the name of darshan. a person paying crores of rupees donation or rich peple who contribute are given a straight darshan in the VIP access which is now 6 to 8 hours daily and the distance from the diety is only in feet. then those who pay beween two thousand rupees to five thousand rupees got two hours of exclusive darshan and their distance is in meters. those who wait patiently for several hours or days for darshan without fees (free) would watch from an even farther distance. ironically, corruption is the rootcause of this practice and those akhardham temples which dont charge one paisa for having darshan of thier gods are more richer than tirumala but are not known to many as hyped out by tirumala. they do charge for visiting their gardens, complexes, theatres, galleries etc. but not the temple. you visit any jyotirlingas in north, east or west(except the couple in south) no fees. you visit ram in ayodhya or krishna in mathura both in north, no fees. you visit amarnath and vaishnodevi in kashmir or badarinath and kedarnath in uttaranchal, there is no fees. but come to south, stash your pockets with monies to go closer to god. this is one reason that is making more hindus to convert to christianity or embrace islam as poor hindus can go to a god whom they can afford without paying money, rather this new god is giving goodies for visiting him. so, unless we clearly practice that all are equal in front of god and eliminate fees, poor people cannot afford rich gods and look for alternative free gods. as regards some justifying the fee structure, they must realise that there are many ways to generate money like renting the premises for functions and rituals, renting from shops and hotels, charging from helicopter or car parkers, taking voluntary donations (no force) for development of the fund. at this juncture, i appreciate the birlas who constructed few grandest temples across india and their beautiful temples even in south do not charge any money. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy .com , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Krishna ji, > > I made this point about Tamilnadu temple only to show the injustice done to Hinduism as a whole. I don't know who is behind the concept of charging devottes even to enter them or who is benefitting by it. Whatever may be the reason, it is absurd. > > Now the last point you made >  " we visit Ajmeer darga to pacify rahu and velankanni to pacify Moon " & > " Man inturn is the victim of his own faith and values " > > What kind of a Hindu shall Visit a darga or christain church? under whatever pretext. > > This itself shows eroding values of lack of convictions and knowledge about our own religion. > > It would be better to frame the sentence " Hindus are the victims of their lack of faith and convictions " . > > Simple: how many Muslims or christains do you see praying to a hindu god - TOOOOO negligible. But how many of them do you see engaged constantly to convert hindus or do not loose a chance to show that Hinduism is useless in twarting the poverty of the people and hindu gods are dummies- TOOOOOO Many. > > Hindus become easy prey for others including our own money mongers. > > The irony is that the  so called intelligent and powerfull hindus of Tamilnadu who regard themselves as distinct from rest of India, has not raised a single finger against such blasphemy. > > Hope this is taken in good spirit. > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > >  > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> > > Sunday, August 9, 2009 11:26:42 PM > Re: Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu > >  > Dear Sirs, > Temples have always occupied a prime role in our culture.mainly built as a place for social gathering and communions have acquired prominence over the years due to the faith and trust bestowed by the people. > man looks around to build his confidence to face the day after.he sees himself engulfed in various issues connected with livelihood.he knows that he can tackle them but worried of uncertainities. These uncertainities with a loose thread are linked to fate,bahgya or otherwise destiny with which an aethiest,ardent believer of God and a Theologist are always concerned. > with wide spread awareness in jyotish and the relationship of Gods with planets,commercial means cropped up and the Govts thought to relax from moral responsibilities by passing lao of charitable Institutions and also ways to divert these funds for some other cause.People entrusted with up keep of temples including priests understood their role and importance to squeeze and pinch pockets.Dawn of Political with emphsis on religion have certainly did harm to social fabric. > Spacious temples built for worship have suddenly become inadequate.Modern audio systems have helped in marketing Gods and even our Dharmas.In the name of God and religion one can find lot of money laundering around. > v have witnessed irrspective of geographical limitations right from jammu Kashmir to kanykumari whether the God is of Hindus or of mosleems or Christians.we visit Ajmeer darga to pacify rahu and velankanni to pacify Moon and rameswaram to appease Sun.All have played very important role in mitigating the hardships of common.man.Man inturn is the victim of his own faith and values.whom to blame? > vrkrishnan > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) >  > > --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > Re: Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu > > Sunday, August 9, 2009, 1:09 PM > >  > > Dear Suresh babu, > > well in the name of secularism we have given a Timeless extension to JIZYA tax of our invaders till this day THE MONEY FROM TEMPLE COLLECTION, HUNDI, AND LANDS GIVEN TO IT BY THE ANCIENT KINGS or wealthy or even the poor have been subsidising other minorities institutions AND HAVE NO AUTONOMY either to start a educational institution have to account foreign funds but not our invaders who have indipendent boards or beyond any scruitny . even sikhs who have to go to Nanak sahab accross theb order don't get such previleges for their great contribution to the freedom movements or the sports, art, culture, cusine of this country. > > so the ticket sales have to be in place to suit our politicians none of the minorities have asked for it, but the rulers want to exploit them sadly than help them. so we must blame only or politicians no one else. they also sit on temple boards and enjot special priveleges over others. > > prashant > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@ > > > Sunday, August 9, 2009 9:23:30 PM > Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu > > Dear sankaranarayanan k.s > Namasthe, > > Thanks for providing this valuable information. Many of the traditional importance regarding our temples and places of worship has been sidelined or lost and given way to publicity and money mongers. > > what is appaling in Tamilnadu and not seen elsewhere in India is even to step inside the most of these temples to have a quite prayer, you have to take a ticket ranging from Rs2/- to Rs5/-. Amount is not important but the very thought that a devotee has to buy a ticket to have even a distant darshan inside a temple (closer darshan will cost far more) is totaly against traditional values and concept of Hindu religion and is total repulsive. I have travelled a lot in Tamilnadu and visited most of these temple. What I have written is my own experience. > > Any way thanks a lot. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > , " sankaranarayanan k.s " <shankypriyan@ ...> wrote: > > > > you have missed the attachment > >  > > detailsbelow > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Start from Chidambaram > > > > > >  > > > >  > > > >  > > > > > >  > > > >  > > > >  > > > > > > Mangal > > > > Vaitheswaran Temple > > > > 25 KM > > > > > > Budha > > > > Thiruvenkadu > > > > 10 Km from Vaitheswaran Temple towards Nagapatnam > > > > > > Ketu > > > > Keezh Perumballam > > > > Another 6 Kms > > > > > > Sun > > > > Sorriyanar Koil > > > > 30 Kms from Vaitheeswaran koil - on the way to Kumabakonam > > > > > > Sukra > > > > Kanjanur > > > > 3 km from sooryanar koil > > > > > >  > > > > Reach Kumabakonam - another 12 kms > > > > > > Raghu > > > > Tirunageswaram > > > > 6 kms from Kumbakonam > > > > > > Moon > > > > Thingalur > > > > 30 Kms from Kumbakonam on the way to Thiruvaiyaru > > > > > > Saturn > > > > Thirunallaru > > > > 45 kms from kumbakonam on the way to Karaikal > > > > > > Guru > > > > Alangudi > > > > 20 kms from Kumbakonam - Dakshinamoorthy > > > > > > Guru > > > > Thittai > > > > 40 Kms from Kumbakonam on the way to Tanjore.Brahaspathi > >  > > Navagraha Khestras > >  > > From Chennai you can first reach Chidambaram ( Famous Natraj temple) and start covering the places. If you start from Trichy, then start from Tanjore on the reverse order. > >  > > > > Vaitheswaran Temple: Glorified by the 6th Century Thevaram, the Tamil name of the temple is Pulirukkuveluer. Ie Pul + Irukku + Vel + ur. Ur is village. Pul is bird, here Jadayu, Irukku is Rig Veda, Vel is lord Muruga. This temple is worshipped by Jadayu, Rig Veda and Lord Muruga. > >  > > Legend is when the world was suffering with health problem, Shiva and Parvathy came as a doctor couples. Hence the name Vaidhyanatha to the lord and the town is now called in lord’s name. The theertha is called Sidhamirtha theertha and bathing in the tank and worshipping god and goddess cures one from all health problems. Lord Mangal had his curse cured here and has a separate shrine in the outer prahara. Sthala vriksha is neem. > >  > > > > Thiruvenkadu: Thiru is Sri, Ven is white and kadu is forest. Swetharanyam in Sanskrit. Glorified in Thevaram and Valmiki Ramayana. When Ram, Lakshman and Seetha were bathing in Godavari and coming out in aranya kanda, valmiki says it looked like Lord Shiva and Parvathi walking with Nandhi leading the way in Swetharanya Kshetra. > >  > > Here there are three theerthas and bathing in all three theerthas is important. There is a Vadaranya and shradh can be performed like the brahmakapala. Lord is in 3 forms here Shiva, Nataraja and Agoraveerabhadra. Hence 3 tanks and 3 sthala vriksha. > >  > > Budha got his nabumsak curse cured and has a separate shrine in the outer prahara. > >  > > > >  Kil perumballam. This shiva temple has a separate Ketu shrine and ketu had his curse cured here. This temple is not glorified in thevara. Infact the Thirukketheswaram in Srilanka is glorified in thevaram as the temple worshipped by Ketu. If possible Thirukketheswaram should be worshipped .The Kilperumpallam temple though not glorified in thevaram is definitely of before 6th century origin. > > Sun: Sooriyanar Koil: Sooriyan is Sun in Tamil. This is actually 2 temples. The Shiva temple is called Thirumanagalakudi glorified in thevaram ( it is just opposite to the Sun temple) and the Navagraha temple opposite to the Shiva temple. > >  > > Kalava Maharishi had Kushtarog and did a severe penance to Navagrahas. Navagrahas appeared before him and cured his Kushtarog. Since Navagraha’s duty is to give as per once karma and they donot have any right to cure anybody, they were cursed to have kushtarog. > >  > > The Navagrahas did severe penance to Pranavaradeswara at Thirumanagalkudi and lord cured their kushtarog. They were told to bless the people who worship him. The Navagrahas have a separate temple with Sun having the central shrine with his consorts, Bruhaspathi facing him and all the other seven surrounding him. > >  > > Sthala vriksha is Urga ( Erukku) and on Sundays eating curd rice in Urga leaf is supposed to cure disease. > >  > >  > > > > Kanjanur: Here there is no separate Sukra shrine. Lord Vishnu during Vamanavatar, pierced the eyes of Sukra when he blocked Mahabali from giving the land to lord Vishnu. Vishnu worshipped lord Shiva ( Agneswara) for this Sukra dosha and hence this is a Sukra sthala. Glorified in Thevaram. > >  > > > > Raghu: Thirunageswaram as the name suggest worshipped by the serpent Raghu. Glorified in Thevaram lord Naganatha swamy is the presiding deity. There two shrines for Parvathy. Pirainudal kanni on whom the moons rays fall on Karthik Poornima and Girigujambiga who is having Lakshmi and Saraswathi on her both sides. > >  > > Raghu with his two consorts has a separate shrine in the outer prahara. Special poojas performed daily on Rahukalams with milk. The milk turns blue during and after abishekam. > >  > > > > Saturn:  Thirunallaru glorified in Thevaram. Thiru + Nal + Aru. Thiru is Sri, Nal is Nala and aru here is not river. It is cured. ( Arudal) Place where Nala was cured. When Nala had bath in the theertha ( called Nala theertha now) and entered the temple Saturn could not follow him and stayed out and thus Nala was cured by lord Sani. Lord Darbaranyeswara ( Sthala vriksha is Darba grass) and goddess Bogamartha Poon Mulaiyal . Saturn has a shrine at the entrance. > >  > > Taking an oil bath in Nala theertha and worshipping Lord Dharbaranyeswara and Saturn is advised for Sani dosha. On Saturdays there will be long queue and will take minimum 6 to 7 hours for darshan. > >  > > > > Moon: Thingalur, Thingal is moon in Tamil. The Thevaram of this temple is missing but there is a thevaram sung in this temple to cure a devotee’s snake bite by saint Appar is available. As the name indicates Chandra worshipped Lord and has a separate shrine. > >  > > > > Guru: Lord Guru has two temples both glorified by Thevaram. In Alangudi Apatsahyeswara temple, the Dakshinamoorthy is worshipped as Guru and in Thittai Vasishteswara temple Brahaspathi worshipped Shiva and has a separate shirine near lord himself. > >  > >  > > When visiting these temples also Visit: > >  > > > > Chidambaram Natraja Temple > > Thiruvidaimarudhur Mahalingaswamy ( madyarjuna) > > Pattesswaram Durga > > Thirumananjeri ( Marriage Kshetra) > > Thirukkarukavur ( Garbarakshambiga for safe child birth) > > Meda Dakshinamoorthy in Mayuram > > Big temple in Tanjore and Gangai Konda Cholapuram > >  > > If possible to Srirangam and Thiruvanaikovil in Trichy. > >  > > Please Note: > >  > > > > The Lord is present in these Shrines for us and giving an easy remedy for lesser mortals like us. Since we could not do severe penance, he is present in these temples and by just having a darshan, we will be relieved. Our Rishis pradishta power, The Tamil saint’s thevara song power and lord’s grace has helped to sustain this. You will really feel the lord in all these kshetras and the radiance . > >  > > Many are visiting as a one day picnic and focus on grahas only without even worshipping lord shiva. Since the grahas are in the outer prahara and when the temple is closed in the noon as per Agama sastras, people just visit the outer prahara and leave for next. > >  > > Please note that it is important to worship Shiva and Paravathy in the temple first. Bathe in the Tanks. Have Upavas and if not possible have milk and fruits and take Prasad for eating. > >  > > Take 3 days off and visit strictly as per sastras. > >  > > > > > > --- On Sat, 8/8/09, sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ ...> > > Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu > > > > Saturday, August 8, 2009, 1:01 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > I am sending you a small article on the Navagraha Khsetras of Tamilnadu. Our Great Sages experainced lord all over Bharatavarsha and requested him to be present there. Their penance, Their Yantra and Prana pradishta are felt even today. > > > > Hence these kshetras had continuous pujas for centuries. Also are glorified by the Tamil saints in Thevaram. ( Thevaram is on Lord Siva and Divyaprabandam is on Vishnu.) > > > > You need to visit atleast once in your life time. Extreme case you can outsource the Pujas. The dewasthanams of these temples are well maintained and sincerely perform pujas and you can approach them directly for the conduct of any Pujas. > > > > Please mail me if you want to know anything further on these temple. > > > > Regards > > > > Sankar > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 To All Concerned : Greed has no North-South or East-West divide, it is homogenounsly universal. In Kaliyuga, only a small minority can escape it. I heard a story years ago : an outcaste performed some excruciating tapasya for being able to enter a temple. The Lord appeared before him in his house and asked what he wanted. The uneducated person said his only wish was to get a glimpse of the idol by entering the temple. The Lord answered : you are trying to enter the temple for a few months, I am trying the same ever since it was built. Lord exists everywhere, except where greed, lust, hatred, etc reside. -VJ ==================== === ________________________________ Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag Monday, August 10, 2009 8:55:21 AM Re: Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu  Dear Pdt Arjun ji, Namasthe, Discriminination of kind or another is present in every society or country. If it is financial at one place, it is racial at another. This is not going to change. You must have heard about the recent racial problems that surfaced even in america and obama had to vertually appologise - a country which always condemned India to be racial. This can be found even in such countries like russia or china. They simply change the nature of discrimination. That is all. You have mentioned south India as a whole. I am sorry to tell you, this does not happen in Kerala where you can enter freely inside the temple (depending on customs) and conduct your silent prayer. The only exception perhaps is Sabarimala - during mandala & guruvayur. Here also the entry is totaly free. You may not be able to spend much time inside during special months due to heavy rush, but these are only for a few days after which you can spend ample time inside the temple -depending on rituals & customs and no one will ask you any questions. Forget about special darshans or pooja etc. In Tamilnadu you may have to pay even just to enter the temple. you dont want to go into sanctum sanctorum or do any poojas - just for sitting inside the temple and pray on your own silently. this is what I call absurd and against hindu dharma. In North India, the exploitation is in a different way, that is all. Just look at Puri temple and try to understand what is happening to Lord krishna's idol. Only yesterday one person wrote about having to pay Rs 15000/- for a navagraha homa. In kerala it won't cost more than Rs1500/-       We do it at home and know its expences. so exploitation of one kind or another could be found every where. BUT as a devotee, one must not be charged to step inside a temple - as if you are visiting a Zoo - That is what Tamilnadu has done with their temples - A Zoo and Dikshitars, iyers, iyengars etc are silent about it. Sorry for strong words. But when you are proud about culture & laud about it BUT shut your eye towards injustice cannot be tolerated. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > Monday, August 10, 2009 7:18:06 AM Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu  dear friends firstly we all shall accept with shame that only in hinduism we have gods giving closest darshan only to rich people. we do not find charges for visiting a church, a mosque or any holy place of other religions. but, the silver lining is that east, west and north india do not have this culture of charging money to have a glimpse of god and only south india has this biased discrimination which can be condoned, for 75 percent of indian gods are free for darshan. like most temples in south, tirupati balaji temple is the worst example of looting money in the name of darshan. a person paying crores of rupees donation or rich peple who contribute are given a straight darshan in the VIP access which is now 6 to 8 hours daily and the distance from the diety is only in feet. then those who pay beween two thousand rupees to five thousand rupees got two hours of exclusive darshan and their distance is in meters. those who wait patiently for several hours or days for darshan without fees (free) would watch from an even farther distance. ironically, corruption is the rootcause of this practice and those akhardham temples which dont charge one paisa for having darshan of thier gods are more richer than tirumala but are not known to many as hyped out by tirumala. they do charge for visiting their gardens, complexes, theatres, galleries etc. but not the temple. you visit any jyotirlingas in north, east or west(except the couple in south) no fees. you visit ram in ayodhya or krishna in mathura both in north, no fees. you visit amarnath and vaishnodevi in kashmir or badarinath and kedarnath in uttaranchal, there is no fees. but come to south, stash your pockets with monies to go closer to god. this is one reason that is making more hindus to convert to christianity or embrace islam as poor hindus can go to a god whom they can afford without paying money, rather this new god is giving goodies for visiting him. so, unless we clearly practice that all are equal in front of god and eliminate fees, poor people cannot afford rich gods and look for alternative free gods. as regards some justifying the fee structure, they must realise that there are many ways to generate money like renting the premises for functions and rituals, renting from shops and hotels, charging from helicopter or car parkers, taking voluntary donations (no force) for development of the fund. at this juncture, i appreciate the birlas who constructed few grandest temples across india and their beautiful temples even in south do not charge any money. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy .com , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Krishna ji, > > I made this point about Tamilnadu temple only to show the injustice done to Hinduism as a whole. I don't know who is behind the concept of charging devottes even to enter them or who is benefitting by it. Whatever may be the reason, it is absurd. > > Now the last point you made >  " we visit Ajmeer darga to pacify rahu and velankanni to pacify Moon " & > " Man inturn is the victim of his own faith and values " > > What kind of a Hindu shall Visit a darga or christain church? under whatever pretext. > > This itself shows eroding values of lack of convictions and knowledge about our own religion. > > It would be better to frame the sentence " Hindus are the victims of their lack of faith and convictions " . > > Simple: how many Muslims or christains do you see praying to a hindu god - TOOOOO negligible. But how many of them do you see engaged constantly to convert hindus or do not loose a chance to show that Hinduism is useless in twarting the poverty of the people and hindu gods are dummies- TOOOOOO Many. > > Hindus become easy prey for others including our own money mongers. > > The irony is that the  so called intelligent and powerfull hindus of Tamilnadu who regard themselves as distinct from rest of India, has not raised a single finger against such blasphemy. > > Hope this is taken in good spirit. > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > >  > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> > > Sunday, August 9, 2009 11:26:42 PM > Re: Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu > >  > Dear Sirs, > Temples have always occupied a prime role in our culture.mainly built as a place for social gathering and communions have acquired prominence over the years due to the faith and trust bestowed by the people. > man looks around to build his confidence to face the day after.he sees himself engulfed in various issues connected with livelihood.he knows that he can tackle them but worried of uncertainities. These uncertainities with a loose thread are linked to fate,bahgya or otherwise destiny with which an aethiest,ardent believer of God and a Theologist are always concerned. > with wide spread awareness in jyotish and the relationship of Gods with planets,commercial means cropped up and the Govts thought to relax from moral responsibilities by passing lao of charitable Institutions and also ways to divert these funds for some other cause.People entrusted with up keep of temples including priests understood their role and importance to squeeze and pinch pockets.Dawn of Political with emphsis on religion have certainly did harm to social fabric. > Spacious temples built for worship have suddenly become inadequate.Modern audio systems have helped in marketing Gods and even our Dharmas.In the name of God and religion one can find lot of money laundering around. > v have witnessed irrspective of geographical limitations right from jammu Kashmir to kanykumari whether the God is of Hindus or of mosleems or Christians.we visit Ajmeer darga to pacify rahu and velankanni to pacify Moon and rameswaram to appease Sun.All have played very important role in mitigating the hardships of common.man.Man inturn is the victim of his own faith and values.whom to blame? > vrkrishnan > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) >  > > --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > Re: Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu > > Sunday, August 9, 2009, 1:09 PM > >  > > Dear Suresh babu, > > well in the name of secularism we have given a Timeless extension to JIZYA tax of our invaders till this day THE MONEY FROM TEMPLE COLLECTION, HUNDI, AND LANDS GIVEN TO IT BY THE ANCIENT KINGS or wealthy or even the poor have been subsidising other minorities institutions AND HAVE NO AUTONOMY either to start a educational institution have to account foreign funds but not our invaders who have indipendent boards or beyond any scruitny . even sikhs who have to go to Nanak sahab accross theb order don't get such previleges for their great contribution to the freedom movements or the sports, art, culture, cusine of this country. > > so the ticket sales have to be in place to suit our politicians none of the minorities have asked for it, but the rulers want to exploit them sadly than help them. so we must blame only or politicians no one else. they also sit on temple boards and enjot special priveleges over others. > > prashant > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@ > > > Sunday, August 9, 2009 9:23:30 PM > Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu > > Dear sankaranarayanan k.s > Namasthe, > > Thanks for providing this valuable information. Many of the traditional importance regarding our temples and places of worship has been sidelined or lost and given way to publicity and money mongers. > > what is appaling in Tamilnadu and not seen elsewhere in India is even to step inside the most of these temples to have a quite prayer, you have to take a ticket ranging from Rs2/- to Rs5/-. Amount is not important but the very thought that a devotee has to buy a ticket to have even a distant darshan inside a temple (closer darshan will cost far more) is totaly against traditional values and concept of Hindu religion and is total repulsive. I have travelled a lot in Tamilnadu and visited most of these temple. What I have written is my own experience. > > Any way thanks a lot. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > , " sankaranarayanan k.s " <shankypriyan@ ...> wrote: > > > > you have missed the attachment > >  > > detailsbelow > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Start from Chidambaram > > > > > >  > > > >  > > > >  > > > > > >  > > > >  > > > >  > > > > > > Mangal > > > > Vaitheswaran Temple > > > > 25 KM > > > > > > Budha > > > > Thiruvenkadu > > > > 10 Km from Vaitheswaran Temple towards Nagapatnam > > > > > > Ketu > > > > Keezh Perumballam > > > > Another 6 Kms > > > > > > Sun > > > > Sorriyanar Koil > > > > 30 Kms from Vaitheeswaran koil - on the way to Kumabakonam > > > > > > Sukra > > > > Kanjanur > > > > 3 km from sooryanar koil > > > > > >  > > > > Reach Kumabakonam - another 12 kms > > > > > > Raghu > > > > Tirunageswaram > > > > 6 kms from Kumbakonam > > > > > > Moon > > > > Thingalur > > > > 30 Kms from Kumbakonam on the way to Thiruvaiyaru > > > > > > Saturn > > > > Thirunallaru > > > > 45 kms from kumbakonam on the way to Karaikal > > > > > > Guru > > > > Alangudi > > > > 20 kms from Kumbakonam - Dakshinamoorthy > > > > > > Guru > > > > Thittai > > > > 40 Kms from Kumbakonam on the way to Tanjore.Brahaspathi > >  > > Navagraha Khestras > >  > > From Chennai you can first reach Chidambaram ( Famous Natraj temple) and start covering the places. If you start from Trichy, then start from Tanjore on the reverse order. > >  > > > > Vaitheswaran Temple: Glorified by the 6th Century Thevaram, the Tamil name of the temple is Pulirukkuveluer. Ie Pul + Irukku + Vel + ur. Ur is village. Pul is bird, here Jadayu, Irukku is Rig Veda, Vel is lord Muruga. This temple is worshipped by Jadayu, Rig Veda and Lord Muruga. > >  > > Legend is when the world was suffering with health problem, Shiva and Parvathy came as a doctor couples. Hence the name Vaidhyanatha to the lord and the town is now called in lord’s name. The theertha is called Sidhamirtha theertha and bathing in the tank and worshipping god and goddess cures one from all health problems. Lord Mangal had his curse cured here and has a separate shrine in the outer prahara. Sthala vriksha is neem. > >  > > > > Thiruvenkadu: Thiru is Sri, Ven is white and kadu is forest. Swetharanyam in Sanskrit. Glorified in Thevaram and Valmiki Ramayana. When Ram, Lakshman and Seetha were bathing in Godavari and coming out in aranya kanda, valmiki says it looked like Lord Shiva and Parvathi walking with Nandhi leading the way in Swetharanya Kshetra. > >  > > Here there are three theerthas and bathing in all three theerthas is important. There is a Vadaranya and shradh can be performed like the brahmakapala. Lord is in 3 forms here Shiva, Nataraja and Agoraveerabhadra. Hence 3 tanks and 3 sthala vriksha. > >  > > Budha got his nabumsak curse cured and has a separate shrine in the outer prahara. > >  > > > >  Kil perumballam. This shiva temple has a separate Ketu shrine and ketu had his curse cured here. This temple is not glorified in thevara. Infact the Thirukketheswaram in Srilanka is glorified in thevaram as the temple worshipped by Ketu. If possible Thirukketheswaram should be worshipped .The Kilperumpallam temple though not glorified in thevaram is definitely of before 6th century origin. > > Sun: Sooriyanar Koil: Sooriyan is Sun in Tamil. This is actually 2 temples. The Shiva temple is called Thirumanagalakudi glorified in thevaram ( it is just opposite to the Sun temple) and the Navagraha temple opposite to the Shiva temple. > >  > > Kalava Maharishi had Kushtarog and did a severe penance to Navagrahas. Navagrahas appeared before him and cured his Kushtarog. Since Navagraha’s duty is to give as per once karma and they donot have any right to cure anybody, they were cursed to have kushtarog. > >  > > The Navagrahas did severe penance to Pranavaradeswara at Thirumanagalkudi and lord cured their kushtarog. They were told to bless the people who worship him. The Navagrahas have a separate temple with Sun having the central shrine with his consorts, Bruhaspathi facing him and all the other seven surrounding him. > >  > > Sthala vriksha is Urga ( Erukku) and on Sundays eating curd rice in Urga leaf is supposed to cure disease. > >  > >  > > > > Kanjanur: Here there is no separate Sukra shrine. Lord Vishnu during Vamanavatar, pierced the eyes of Sukra when he blocked Mahabali from giving the land to lord Vishnu. Vishnu worshipped lord Shiva ( Agneswara) for this Sukra dosha and hence this is a Sukra sthala. Glorified in Thevaram. > >  > > > > Raghu: Thirunageswaram as the name suggest worshipped by the serpent Raghu. Glorified in Thevaram lord Naganatha swamy is the presiding deity. There two shrines for Parvathy. Pirainudal kanni on whom the moons rays fall on Karthik Poornima and Girigujambiga who is having Lakshmi and Saraswathi on her both sides. > >  > > Raghu with his two consorts has a separate shrine in the outer prahara. Special poojas performed daily on Rahukalams with milk. The milk turns blue during and after abishekam. > >  > > > > Saturn:  Thirunallaru glorified in Thevaram. Thiru + Nal + Aru. Thiru is Sri, Nal is Nala and aru here is not river. It is cured. ( Arudal) Place where Nala was cured. When Nala had bath in the theertha ( called Nala theertha now) and entered the temple Saturn could not follow him and stayed out and thus Nala was cured by lord Sani. Lord Darbaranyeswara ( Sthala vriksha is Darba grass) and goddess Bogamartha Poon Mulaiyal . Saturn has a shrine at the entrance. > >  > > Taking an oil bath in Nala theertha and worshipping Lord Dharbaranyeswara and Saturn is advised for Sani dosha. On Saturdays there will be long queue and will take minimum 6 to 7 hours for darshan. > >  > > > > Moon: Thingalur, Thingal is moon in Tamil. The Thevaram of this temple is missing but there is a thevaram sung in this temple to cure a devotee’s snake bite by saint Appar is available. As the name indicates Chandra worshipped Lord and has a separate shrine. > >  > > > > Guru: Lord Guru has two temples both glorified by Thevaram. In Alangudi Apatsahyeswara temple, the Dakshinamoorthy is worshipped as Guru and in Thittai Vasishteswara temple Brahaspathi worshipped Shiva and has a separate shirine near lord himself. > >  > >  > > When visiting these temples also Visit: > >  > > > > Chidambaram Natraja Temple > > Thiruvidaimarudhur Mahalingaswamy ( madyarjuna) > > Pattesswaram Durga > > Thirumananjeri ( Marriage Kshetra) > > Thirukkarukavur ( Garbarakshambiga for safe child birth) > > Meda Dakshinamoorthy in Mayuram > > Big temple in Tanjore and Gangai Konda Cholapuram > >  > > If possible to Srirangam and Thiruvanaikovil in Trichy. > >  > > Please Note: > >  > > > > The Lord is present in these Shrines for us and giving an easy remedy for lesser mortals like us. Since we could not do severe penance, he is present in these temples and by just having a darshan, we will be relieved. Our Rishis pradishta power, The Tamil saint’s thevara song power and lord’s grace has helped to sustain this. You will really feel the lord in all these kshetras and the radiance . > >  > > Many are visiting as a one day picnic and focus on grahas only without even worshipping lord shiva. Since the grahas are in the outer prahara and when the temple is closed in the noon as per Agama sastras, people just visit the outer prahara and leave for next. > >  > > Please note that it is important to worship Shiva and Paravathy in the temple first. Bathe in the Tanks. Have Upavas and if not possible have milk and fruits and take Prasad for eating. > >  > > Take 3 days off and visit strictly as per sastras. > >  > > > > > > --- On Sat, 8/8/09, sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ ...> > > Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu > > > > Saturday, August 8, 2009, 1:01 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > I am sending you a small article on the Navagraha Khsetras of Tamilnadu. Our Great Sages experainced lord all over Bharatavarsha and requested him to be present there. Their penance, Their Yantra and Prana pradishta are felt even today. > > > > Hence these kshetras had continuous pujas for centuries. Also are glorified by the Tamil saints in Thevaram. ( Thevaram is on Lord Siva and Divyaprabandam is on Vishnu.) > > > > You need to visit atleast once in your life time. Extreme case you can outsource the Pujas. The dewasthanams of these temples are well maintained and sincerely perform pujas and you can approach them directly for the conduct of any Pujas. > > > > Please mail me if you want to know anything further on these temple. > > > > Regards > > > > Sankar > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 nice story, a learning for all of us. On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > > To All Concerned : > > Greed has no North-South or East-West divide, it is homogenounsly > universal. In Kaliyuga, only a small minority can escape it. > > I heard a story years ago : an outcaste performed some excruciating tapasya > for being able to enter a temple. The Lord appeared before him in his house > and asked what he wanted. The uneducated person said his only wish was to > get a glimpse of the idol by entering the temple. The Lord answered : you > are trying to enter the temple for a few months, I am trying the same ever > since it was built. > > Lord exists everywhere, except where greed, lust, hatred, etc reside. > > -VJ > ==================== === > > ________________________________ > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag%40>> > <%40> > Monday, August 10, 2009 8:55:21 AM > Re: Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu > > > Dear Pdt Arjun ji, > Namasthe, > > Discriminination of kind or another is present in every society or country. > If it is financial at one place, it is racial at another. This is not going > to change. You must have heard about the recent racial problems that > surfaced even in america and obama had to vertually appologise - a country > which always condemned India to be racial. > > This can be found even in such countries like russia or china. They simply > change the nature of discrimination. That is all. > > You have mentioned south India as a whole. I am sorry to tell you, this > does not happen in Kerala where you can enter freely inside the temple > (depending on customs) and conduct your silent prayer. The only exception > perhaps is Sabarimala - during mandala & guruvayur. Here also the entry is > totaly free. You may not be able to spend much time inside during special > months due to heavy rush, but these are only for a few days after which you > can spend ample time inside the temple -depending on rituals & customs and > no one will ask you any questions. > > Forget about special darshans or pooja etc. In Tamilnadu you may have to > pay even just to enter the temple. you dont want to go into sanctum > sanctorum or do any poojas - just for sitting inside the temple and pray on > your own silently. this is what I call absurd and against hindu dharma. > > In North India, the exploitation is in a different way, that is all. Just > look at Puri temple and try to understand what is happening to Lord > krishna's idol. Only yesterday one person wrote about having to pay Rs > 15000/- for a navagraha homa. In kerala it won't cost more than Rs1500/- > > > We do it at home and know its expences. > > so exploitation of one kind or another could be found every where. BUT as a > devotee, one must not be charged to step inside a temple - as if you are > visiting a Zoo - That is what Tamilnadu has done with their temples - A Zoo > and Dikshitars, iyers, iyengars etc are silent about it. > > Sorry for strong words. But when you are proud about culture & laud about > it BUT shut your eye towards injustice cannot be tolerated. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > > Monday, August 10, 2009 7:18:06 AM > Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu > > > dear friends > > firstly we all shall accept with shame that only in hinduism we have gods > giving closest darshan only to rich people. we do not find charges for > visiting a church, a mosque or any holy place of other religions. > > but, the silver lining is that east, west and north india do not have this > culture of charging money to have a glimpse of god and only south india has > this biased discrimination which can be condoned, for 75 percent of indian > gods are free for darshan. like most temples in south, tirupati balaji > temple is the worst example of looting money in the name of darshan. a > person paying crores of rupees donation or rich peple who contribute are > given a straight darshan in the VIP access which is now 6 to 8 hours daily > and the distance from the diety is only in feet. then those who pay beween > two thousand rupees to five thousand rupees got two hours of exclusive > darshan and their distance is in meters. those who wait patiently for > several hours or days for darshan without fees (free) would watch from an > even farther distance. > > ironically, corruption is the rootcause of this practice and those > akhardham temples which dont charge one paisa for having darshan of thier > gods are more richer than tirumala but are not known to many as hyped out by > tirumala. they do charge for visiting their gardens, complexes, theatres, > galleries etc. but not the temple. > > you visit any jyotirlingas in north, east or west(except the couple in > south) no fees. you visit ram in ayodhya or krishna in mathura both in > north, no fees. you visit amarnath and vaishnodevi in kashmir or badarinath > and kedarnath in uttaranchal, there is no fees. but come to south, stash > your pockets with monies to go closer to god. > > this is one reason that is making more hindus to convert to christianity or > embrace islam as poor hindus can go to a god whom they can afford without > paying money, rather this new god is giving goodies for visiting him. > > so, unless we clearly practice that all are equal in front of god and > eliminate fees, poor people cannot afford rich gods and look for alternative > free gods. > > as regards some justifying the fee structure, they must realise that there > are many ways to generate money like renting the premises for functions and > rituals, renting from shops and hotels, charging from helicopter or car > parkers, taking voluntary donations (no force) for development of the fund. > at this juncture, i appreciate the birlas who constructed few grandest > temples across india and their beautiful temples even in south do not charge > any money. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > I made this point about Tamilnadu temple only to show the injustice done > to Hinduism as a whole. I don't know who is behind the concept of charging > devottes even to enter them or who is benefitting by it. Whatever may be > the reason, it is absurd. > > > > Now the last point you made > >  " we visit Ajmeer darga to pacify rahu and velankanni to pacify Moon " & > > > " Man inturn is the victim of his own faith and values " > > > > What kind of a Hindu shall Visit a darga or christain church? under > whatever pretext. > > > > This itself shows eroding values of lack of convictions and knowledge > about our own religion. > > > > It would be better to frame the sentence " Hindus are the victims of their > lack of faith and convictions " . > > > > Simple: how many Muslims or christains do you see praying to a hindu god > - TOOOOO negligible. But how many of them do you see engaged constantly to > convert hindus or do not loose a chance to show that Hinduism is useless in > twarting the poverty of the people and hindu gods are dummies- TOOOOOO Many. > > > > > Hindus become easy prey for others including our own money mongers. > > > > The irony is that the  so called intelligent and powerfull hindus of > Tamilnadu who regard themselves as distinct from rest of India, has not > raised a single finger against such blasphemy. > > > > Hope this is taken in good spirit. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> > > > > Sunday, August 9, 2009 11:26:42 PM > > Re: Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu > > > >  > > Dear Sirs, > > Temples have always occupied a prime role in our culture.mainly built as > a place for social gathering and communions have acquired prominence over > the years due to the faith and trust bestowed by the people. > > man looks around to build his confidence to face the day after.he sees > himself engulfed in various issues connected with livelihood.he knows that > he can tackle them but worried of uncertainities. These uncertainities with > a loose thread are linked to fate,bahgya or otherwise destiny with which an > aethiest,ardent believer of God and a Theologist are always concerned. > > with wide spread awareness in jyotish and the relationship of Gods with > planets,commercial means cropped up and the Govts thought to relax from > moral responsibilities by passing lao of charitable Institutions and also > ways to divert these funds for some other cause.People entrusted with up > keep of temples including priests understood their role and importance to > squeeze and pinch pockets.Dawn of Political with emphsis on religion have > certainly did harm to social fabric. > > Spacious temples built for worship have suddenly become inadequate.Modern > audio systems have helped in marketing Gods and even our Dharmas.In the name > of God and religion one can find lot of money laundering around. > > v have witnessed irrspective of geographical limitations right from jammu > Kashmir to kanykumari whether the God is of Hindus or of mosleems or > Christians.we visit Ajmeer darga to pacify rahu and velankanni to pacify > Moon and rameswaram to appease Sun.All have played very important role in > mitigating the hardships of common.man.Man inturn is the victim of his own > faith and values.whom to blame? > > vrkrishnan > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > >  > > > > --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: > > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > > Re: Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu > > > > Sunday, August 9, 2009, 1:09 PM > > > >  > > > > Dear Suresh babu, > > > > well in the name of secularism we have given a Timeless extension to > JIZYA tax of our invaders till this day THE MONEY FROM TEMPLE COLLECTION, > HUNDI, AND LANDS GIVEN TO IT BY THE ANCIENT KINGS or wealthy or even the > poor have been subsidising other minorities institutions AND HAVE NO > AUTONOMY either to start a educational institution have to account foreign > funds but not our invaders who have indipendent boards or beyond any > scruitny . even sikhs who have to go to Nanak sahab accross theb order don't > get such previleges for their great contribution to the freedom movements or > the sports, art, culture, cusine of this country. > > > > so the ticket sales have to be in place to suit our politicians none of > the minorities have asked for it, but the rulers want to exploit them sadly > than help them. so we must blame only or politicians no one else. they also > sit on temple boards and enjot special priveleges over others. > > > > prashant > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@ > > > > > Sunday, August 9, 2009 9:23:30 PM > > Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu > > > > Dear sankaranarayanan k.s > > Namasthe, > > > > Thanks for providing this valuable information. Many of the traditional > importance regarding our temples and places of worship has been sidelined or > lost and given way to publicity and money mongers. > > > > what is appaling in Tamilnadu and not seen elsewhere in India is even to > step inside the most of these temples to have a quite prayer, you have to > take a ticket ranging from Rs2/- to Rs5/-. Amount is not important but the > very thought that a devotee has to buy a ticket to have even a distant > darshan inside a temple (closer darshan will cost far more) is totaly > against traditional values and concept of Hindu religion and is total > repulsive. I have travelled a lot in Tamilnadu and visited most of these > temple. What I have written is my own experience. > > > > Any way thanks a lot. > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > , " sankaranarayanan k.s " > <shankypriyan@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > you have missed the attachment > > >  > > > detailsbelow > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Start from Chidambaram > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >  > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >  > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Mangal > > > > > > Vaitheswaran Temple > > > > > > 25 KM > > > > > > > > > Budha > > > > > > Thiruvenkadu > > > > > > 10 Km from Vaitheswaran Temple towards Nagapatnam > > > > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > Keezh Perumballam > > > > > > Another 6 Kms > > > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > Sorriyanar Koil > > > > > > 30 Kms from Vaitheeswaran koil - on the way to Kumabakonam > > > > > > > > > Sukra > > > > > > Kanjanur > > > > > > 3 km from sooryanar koil > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Reach Kumabakonam - another 12 kms > > > > > > > > > Raghu > > > > > > Tirunageswaram > > > > > > 6 kms from Kumbakonam > > > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > Thingalur > > > > > > 30 Kms from Kumbakonam on the way to Thiruvaiyaru > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > Thirunallaru > > > > > > 45 kms from kumbakonam on the way to Karaikal > > > > > > > > > Guru > > > > > > Alangudi > > > > > > 20 kms from Kumbakonam - Dakshinamoorthy > > > > > > > > > Guru > > > > > > Thittai > > > > > > 40 Kms from Kumbakonam on the way to Tanjore.Brahaspathi > > >  > > > Navagraha Khestras > > >  > > > From Chennai you can first reach Chidambaram ( Famous Natraj temple) > and start covering the places. If you start from Trichy, then start from > Tanjore on the reverse order. > > >  > > > > > > Vaitheswaran Temple: Glorified by the 6th Century Thevaram, the Tamil > name of the temple is Pulirukkuveluer. Ie Pul + Irukku + Vel + ur. Ur is > village. Pul is bird, here Jadayu, Irukku is Rig Veda, Vel is lord Muruga. > This temple is worshipped by Jadayu, Rig Veda and Lord Muruga. > > >  > > > Legend is when the world was suffering with health problem, Shiva and > Parvathy came as a doctor couples. Hence the name Vaidhyanatha to the lord > and the town is now called in lord’s name. The theertha is called > Sidhamirtha theertha and bathing in the tank and worshipping god and goddess > cures one from all health problems. Lord Mangal had his curse cured here > and has a separate shrine in the outer prahara. Sthala vriksha is neem. > > >  > > > > > > Thiruvenkadu: Thiru is Sri, Ven is white and kadu is forest. > Swetharanyam in Sanskrit. Glorified in Thevaram and Valmiki Ramayana. When > Ram, Lakshman and Seetha were bathing in Godavari and coming out in aranya > kanda, valmiki says it looked like Lord Shiva and Parvathi walking with > Nandhi leading the way in Swetharanya Kshetra. > > >  > > > Here there are three theerthas and bathing in all three theerthas is > important. There is a Vadaranya and shradh can be performed like the > brahmakapala. Lord is in 3 forms here Shiva, Nataraja and Agoraveerabhadra. > Hence 3 tanks and 3 sthala vriksha. > > >  > > > Budha got his nabumsak curse cured and has a separate shrine in the > outer prahara. > > >  > > > > > >  Kil perumballam. This shiva temple has a separate Ketu shrine and > ketu had his curse cured here. This temple is not glorified in thevara. > Infact the Thirukketheswaram in Srilanka is glorified in thevaram as the > temple worshipped by Ketu. If possible Thirukketheswaram should be > worshipped .The Kilperumpallam temple though not glorified in thevaram is > definitely of before 6th century origin. > > > Sun: Sooriyanar Koil: Sooriyan is Sun in Tamil. This is actually 2 > temples. The Shiva temple is called Thirumanagalakudi glorified in thevaram > ( it is just opposite to the Sun temple) and the Navagraha temple opposite > to the Shiva temple. > > >  > > > Kalava Maharishi had Kushtarog and did a severe penance to Navagrahas. > Navagrahas appeared before him and cured his Kushtarog. Since > Navagraha’s duty is to give as per once karma and they donot have any > right to cure anybody, they were cursed to have kushtarog. > > >  > > > The Navagrahas did severe penance to Pranavaradeswara at > Thirumanagalkudi and lord cured their kushtarog. They were told to bless the > people who worship him. The Navagrahas have a separate temple with Sun > having the central shrine with his consorts, Bruhaspathi facing him and all > the other seven surrounding him. > > >  > > > Sthala vriksha is Urga ( Erukku) and on Sundays eating curd rice in > Urga leaf is supposed to cure disease. > > >  > > >  > > > > > > Kanjanur: Here there is no separate Sukra shrine. Lord Vishnu during > Vamanavatar, pierced the eyes of Sukra when he blocked Mahabali from giving > the land to lord Vishnu. Vishnu worshipped lord Shiva ( Agneswara) for > this Sukra dosha and hence this is a Sukra sthala. Glorified in Thevaram. > > >  > > > > > > Raghu: Thirunageswaram as the name suggest worshipped by the serpent > Raghu. Glorified in Thevaram lord Naganatha swamy is the presiding deity. > There two shrines for Parvathy. Pirainudal kanni on whom the moons rays fall > on Karthik Poornima and Girigujambiga who is having Lakshmi and Saraswathi > on her both sides. > > >  > > > Raghu with his two consorts has a separate shrine in the outer prahara. > Special poojas performed daily on Rahukalams with milk. The milk turns blue > during and after abishekam. > > >  > > > > > > Saturn:  Thirunallaru glorified in Thevaram. Thiru + Nal + Aru. Thiru > is Sri, Nal is Nala and aru here is not river. It is cured. ( Arudal) > Place where Nala was cured. When Nala had bath in the theertha ( called Nala > theertha now) and entered the temple Saturn could not follow him and stayed > out and thus Nala was cured by lord Sani. Lord Darbaranyeswara ( Sthala > vriksha is Darba grass) and goddess Bogamartha Poon Mulaiyal . Saturn has > a shrine at the entrance. > > >  > > > Taking an oil bath in Nala theertha and worshipping Lord > Dharbaranyeswara and Saturn is advised for Sani dosha. On Saturdays there > will be long queue and will take minimum 6 to 7 hours for darshan. > > >  > > > > > > Moon: Thingalur, Thingal is moon in Tamil. The Thevaram of this > temple is missing but there is a thevaram sung in this temple to cure a > devotee’s snake bite by saint Appar is available. As the name > indicates Chandra worshipped Lord and has a separate shrine. > > >  > > > > > > Guru: Lord Guru has two temples both glorified by Thevaram. In > Alangudi Apatsahyeswara temple, the Dakshinamoorthy is worshipped as Guru > and in Thittai Vasishteswara temple Brahaspathi worshipped Shiva and has a > separate shirine near lord himself. > > >  > > >  > > > When visiting these temples also Visit: > > >  > > > > > > Chidambaram Natraja Temple > > > Thiruvidaimarudhur Mahalingaswamy ( madyarjuna) > > > Pattesswaram Durga > > > Thirumananjeri ( Marriage Kshetra) > > > Thirukkarukavur ( Garbarakshambiga for safe child birth) > > > Meda Dakshinamoorthy in Mayuram > > > Big temple in Tanjore and Gangai Konda Cholapuram > > >  > > > If possible to Srirangam and Thiruvanaikovil in Trichy. > > >  > > > Please Note: > > >  > > > > > > The Lord is present in these Shrines for us and giving an easy remedy > for lesser mortals like us. Since we could not do severe penance, he is > present in these temples and by just having a darshan, we will be > relieved. Our Rishis pradishta power, The Tamil saint’s thevara > song power and lord’s grace has helped to sustain this. You will > really feel the lord in all these kshetras and the radiance . > > >  > > > Many are visiting as a one day picnic and focus on grahas only without > even worshipping lord shiva. Since the grahas are in the outer prahara and > when the temple is closed in the noon as per Agama sastras, people just > visit the outer prahara and leave for next. > > >  > > > Please note that it is important to worship Shiva and Paravathy in the > temple first. Bathe in the Tanks. Have Upavas and if not possible have milk > and fruits and take Prasad for eating. > > >  > > > Take 3 days off and visit strictly as per sastras. > > >  > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 8/8/09, sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ ...> > > > Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu > > > > > > Saturday, August 8, 2009, 1:01 PM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > I am sending you a small article on the Navagraha Khsetras of > Tamilnadu. Our Great Sages experainced lord all over Bharatavarsha and > requested him to be present there. Their penance, Their Yantra and Prana > pradishta are felt even today. > > > > > > Hence these kshetras had continuous pujas for centuries. Also are > glorified by the Tamil saints in Thevaram. ( Thevaram is on Lord Siva and > Divyaprabandam is on Vishnu.) > > > > > > You need to visit atleast once in your life time. Extreme case you can > outsource the Pujas. The dewasthanams of these temples are well maintained > and sincerely perform pujas and you can approach them directly for the > conduct of any Pujas. > > > > > > Please mail me if you want to know anything further on these temple. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Sankar > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Dear Vinay Jha, ha ha That was good. , Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > To All Concerned : > > Greed has no North-South or East-West divide, it is homogenounsly universal. In Kaliyuga, only a small minority can escape it. > > I heard a story years ago : an outcaste performed some excruciating tapasya for being able to enter a temple. The Lord appeared before him in his house and asked what he wanted. The uneducated person said his only wish was to get a glimpse of the idol by entering the temple. The Lord answered : you are trying to enter the temple for a few months, I am trying the same ever since it was built. > > Lord exists everywhere, except where greed, lust, hatred, etc reside. > > -VJ > ==================== === > > ________________________________ > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag > > Monday, August 10, 2009 8:55:21 AM > Re: Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu > >  > Dear Pdt Arjun ji, > Namasthe, > > Discriminination of kind or another is present in every society or country. If it is financial at one place, it is racial at another. This is not going to change. You must have heard about the recent racial problems that surfaced even in america and obama had to vertually appologise - a country which always condemned India to be racial. > > This can be found even in such countries like russia or china. They simply change the nature of discrimination. That is all. > > You have mentioned south India as a whole. I am sorry to tell you, this does not happen in Kerala where you can enter freely inside the temple (depending on customs) and conduct your silent prayer. The only exception perhaps is Sabarimala - during mandala & guruvayur. Here also the entry is totaly free. You may not be able to spend much time inside during special months due to heavy rush, but these are only for a few days after which you can spend ample time inside the temple -depending on rituals & customs and no one will ask you any questions. > > Forget about special darshans or pooja etc. In Tamilnadu you may have to pay even just to enter the temple. you dont want to go into sanctum sanctorum or do any poojas - just for sitting inside the temple and pray on your own silently. this is what I call absurd and against hindu dharma. > > In North India, the exploitation is in a different way, that is all. Just look at Puri temple and try to understand what is happening to Lord krishna's idol. Only yesterday one person wrote about having to pay Rs 15000/- for a navagraha homa. In kerala it won't cost more than Rs1500/-       > > We do it at home and know its expences. > > so exploitation of one kind or another could be found every where. BUT as a devotee, one must not be charged to step inside a temple - as if you are visiting a Zoo - That is what Tamilnadu has done with their temples - A Zoo and Dikshitars, iyers, iyengars etc are silent about it. > > Sorry for strong words. But when you are proud about culture & laud about it BUT shut your eye towards injustice cannot be tolerated. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > > Monday, August 10, 2009 7:18:06 AM > Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu > >  > dear friends > > firstly we all shall accept with shame that only in hinduism we have gods giving closest darshan only to rich people. we do not find charges for visiting a church, a mosque or any holy place of other religions. > > but, the silver lining is that east, west and north india do not have this culture of charging money to have a glimpse of god and only south india has this biased discrimination which can be condoned, for 75 percent of indian gods are free for darshan. like most temples in south, tirupati balaji temple is the worst example of looting money in the name of darshan. a person paying crores of rupees donation or rich peple who contribute are given a straight darshan in the VIP access which is now 6 to 8 hours daily and the distance from the diety is only in feet. then those who pay beween two thousand rupees to five thousand rupees got two hours of exclusive darshan and their distance is in meters. those who wait patiently for several hours or days for darshan without fees (free) would watch from an even farther distance. > > ironically, corruption is the rootcause of this practice and those akhardham temples which dont charge one paisa for having darshan of thier gods are more richer than tirumala but are not known to many as hyped out by tirumala. they do charge for visiting their gardens, complexes, theatres, galleries etc. but not the temple. > > you visit any jyotirlingas in north, east or west(except the couple in south) no fees. you visit ram in ayodhya or krishna in mathura both in north, no fees. you visit amarnath and vaishnodevi in kashmir or badarinath and kedarnath in uttaranchal, there is no fees. but come to south, stash your pockets with monies to go closer to god. > > this is one reason that is making more hindus to convert to christianity or embrace islam as poor hindus can go to a god whom they can afford without paying money, rather this new god is giving goodies for visiting him. > > so, unless we clearly practice that all are equal in front of god and eliminate fees, poor people cannot afford rich gods and look for alternative free gods. > > as regards some justifying the fee structure, they must realise that there are many ways to generate money like renting the premises for functions and rituals, renting from shops and hotels, charging from helicopter or car parkers, taking voluntary donations (no force) for development of the fund. at this juncture, i appreciate the birlas who constructed few grandest temples across india and their beautiful temples even in south do not charge any money. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > I made this point about Tamilnadu temple only to show the injustice done to Hinduism as a whole. I don't know who is behind the concept of charging devottes even to enter them or who is benefitting by it. Whatever may be the reason, it is absurd. > > > > Now the last point you made > >  " we visit Ajmeer darga to pacify rahu and velankanni to pacify Moon " & > > " Man inturn is the victim of his own faith and values " > > > > What kind of a Hindu shall Visit a darga or christain church? under whatever pretext. > > > > This itself shows eroding values of lack of convictions and knowledge about our own religion. > > > > It would be better to frame the sentence " Hindus are the victims of their lack of faith and convictions " . > > > > Simple: how many Muslims or christains do you see praying to a hindu god - TOOOOO negligible. But how many of them do you see engaged constantly to convert hindus or do not loose a chance to show that Hinduism is useless in twarting the poverty of the people and hindu gods are dummies- TOOOOOO Many. > > > > Hindus become easy prey for others including our own money mongers. > > > > The irony is that the  so called intelligent and powerfull hindus of Tamilnadu who regard themselves as distinct from rest of India, has not raised a single finger against such blasphemy. > > > > Hope this is taken in good spirit. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> > > > > Sunday, August 9, 2009 11:26:42 PM > > Re: Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu > > > >  > > Dear Sirs, > > Temples have always occupied a prime role in our culture.mainly built as a place for social gathering and communions have acquired prominence over the years due to the faith and trust bestowed by the people. > > man looks around to build his confidence to face the day after.he sees himself engulfed in various issues connected with livelihood.he knows that he can tackle them but worried of uncertainities. These uncertainities with a loose thread are linked to fate,bahgya or otherwise destiny with which an aethiest,ardent believer of God and a Theologist are always concerned. > > with wide spread awareness in jyotish and the relationship of Gods with planets,commercial means cropped up and the Govts thought to relax from moral responsibilities by passing lao of charitable Institutions and also ways to divert these funds for some other cause.People entrusted with up keep of temples including priests understood their role and importance to squeeze and pinch pockets.Dawn of Political with emphsis on religion have certainly did harm to social fabric. > > Spacious temples built for worship have suddenly become inadequate.Modern audio systems have helped in marketing Gods and even our Dharmas.In the name of God and religion one can find lot of money laundering around. > > v have witnessed irrspective of geographical limitations right from jammu Kashmir to kanykumari whether the God is of Hindus or of mosleems or Christians.we visit Ajmeer darga to pacify rahu and velankanni to pacify Moon and rameswaram to appease Sun.All have played very important role in mitigating the hardships of common.man.Man inturn is the victim of his own faith and values.whom to blame? > > vrkrishnan > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > >  > > > > --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: > > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > > Re: Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu > > > > Sunday, August 9, 2009, 1:09 PM > > > >  > > > > Dear Suresh babu, > > > > well in the name of secularism we have given a Timeless extension to JIZYA tax of our invaders till this day THE MONEY FROM TEMPLE COLLECTION, HUNDI, AND LANDS GIVEN TO IT BY THE ANCIENT KINGS or wealthy or even the poor have been subsidising other minorities institutions AND HAVE NO AUTONOMY either to start a educational institution have to account foreign funds but not our invaders who have indipendent boards or beyond any scruitny . even sikhs who have to go to Nanak sahab accross theb order don't get such previleges for their great contribution to the freedom movements or the sports, art, culture, cusine of this country. > > > > so the ticket sales have to be in place to suit our politicians none of the minorities have asked for it, but the rulers want to exploit them sadly than help them. so we must blame only or politicians no one else. they also sit on temple boards and enjot special priveleges over others. > > > > prashant > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@ > > > > > Sunday, August 9, 2009 9:23:30 PM > > Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu > > > > Dear sankaranarayanan k.s > > Namasthe, > > > > Thanks for providing this valuable information. Many of the traditional importance regarding our temples and places of worship has been sidelined or lost and given way to publicity and money mongers. > > > > what is appaling in Tamilnadu and not seen elsewhere in India is even to step inside the most of these temples to have a quite prayer, you have to take a ticket ranging from Rs2/- to Rs5/-. Amount is not important but the very thought that a devotee has to buy a ticket to have even a distant darshan inside a temple (closer darshan will cost far more) is totaly against traditional values and concept of Hindu religion and is total repulsive. I have travelled a lot in Tamilnadu and visited most of these temple. What I have written is my own experience. > > > > Any way thanks a lot. > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > , " sankaranarayanan k.s " <shankypriyan@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > you have missed the attachment > > >  > > > detailsbelow > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Start from Chidambaram > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >  > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >  > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Mangal > > > > > > Vaitheswaran Temple > > > > > > 25 KM > > > > > > > > > Budha > > > > > > Thiruvenkadu > > > > > > 10 Km from Vaitheswaran Temple towards Nagapatnam > > > > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > Keezh Perumballam > > > > > > Another 6 Kms > > > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > Sorriyanar Koil > > > > > > 30 Kms from Vaitheeswaran koil - on the way to Kumabakonam > > > > > > > > > Sukra > > > > > > Kanjanur > > > > > > 3 km from sooryanar koil > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Reach Kumabakonam - another 12 kms > > > > > > > > > Raghu > > > > > > Tirunageswaram > > > > > > 6 kms from Kumbakonam > > > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > Thingalur > > > > > > 30 Kms from Kumbakonam on the way to Thiruvaiyaru > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > Thirunallaru > > > > > > 45 kms from kumbakonam on the way to Karaikal > > > > > > > > > Guru > > > > > > Alangudi > > > > > > 20 kms from Kumbakonam - Dakshinamoorthy > > > > > > > > > Guru > > > > > > Thittai > > > > > > 40 Kms from Kumbakonam on the way to Tanjore.Brahaspathi > > >  > > > Navagraha Khestras > > >  > > > From Chennai you can first reach Chidambaram ( Famous Natraj temple) and start covering the places. If you start from Trichy, then start from Tanjore on the reverse order. > > >  > > > > > > Vaitheswaran Temple: Glorified by the 6th Century Thevaram, the Tamil name of the temple is Pulirukkuveluer. Ie Pul + Irukku + Vel + ur. Ur is village. Pul is bird, here Jadayu, Irukku is Rig Veda, Vel is lord Muruga. This temple is worshipped by Jadayu, Rig Veda and Lord Muruga. > > >  > > > Legend is when the world was suffering with health problem, Shiva and Parvathy came as a doctor couples. Hence the name Vaidhyanatha to the lord and the town is now called in lord’s name. The theertha is called Sidhamirtha theertha and bathing in the tank and worshipping god and goddess cures one from all health problems. Lord Mangal had his curse cured here and has a separate shrine in the outer prahara. Sthala vriksha is neem. > > >  > > > > > > Thiruvenkadu: Thiru is Sri, Ven is white and kadu is forest. Swetharanyam in Sanskrit. Glorified in Thevaram and Valmiki Ramayana. When Ram, Lakshman and Seetha were bathing in Godavari and coming out in aranya kanda, valmiki says it looked like Lord Shiva and Parvathi walking with Nandhi leading the way in Swetharanya Kshetra. > > >  > > > Here there are three theerthas and bathing in all three theerthas is important. There is a Vadaranya and shradh can be performed like the brahmakapala. Lord is in 3 forms here Shiva, Nataraja and Agoraveerabhadra. Hence 3 tanks and 3 sthala vriksha. > > >  > > > Budha got his nabumsak curse cured and has a separate shrine in the outer prahara. > > >  > > > > > >  Kil perumballam. This shiva temple has a separate Ketu shrine and ketu had his curse cured here. This temple is not glorified in thevara. Infact the Thirukketheswaram in Srilanka is glorified in thevaram as the temple worshipped by Ketu. If possible Thirukketheswaram should be worshipped .The Kilperumpallam temple though not glorified in thevaram is definitely of before 6th century origin. > > > Sun: Sooriyanar Koil: Sooriyan is Sun in Tamil. This is actually 2 temples. The Shiva temple is called Thirumanagalakudi glorified in thevaram ( it is just opposite to the Sun temple) and the Navagraha temple opposite to the Shiva temple. > > >  > > > Kalava Maharishi had Kushtarog and did a severe penance to Navagrahas. Navagrahas appeared before him and cured his Kushtarog. Since Navagraha’s duty is to give as per once karma and they donot have any right to cure anybody, they were cursed to have kushtarog. > > >  > > > The Navagrahas did severe penance to Pranavaradeswara at Thirumanagalkudi and lord cured their kushtarog. They were told to bless the people who worship him. The Navagrahas have a separate temple with Sun having the central shrine with his consorts, Bruhaspathi facing him and all the other seven surrounding him. > > >  > > > Sthala vriksha is Urga ( Erukku) and on Sundays eating curd rice in Urga leaf is supposed to cure disease. > > >  > > >  > > > > > > Kanjanur: Here there is no separate Sukra shrine. Lord Vishnu during Vamanavatar, pierced the eyes of Sukra when he blocked Mahabali from giving the land to lord Vishnu. Vishnu worshipped lord Shiva ( Agneswara) for this Sukra dosha and hence this is a Sukra sthala. Glorified in Thevaram. > > >  > > > > > > Raghu: Thirunageswaram as the name suggest worshipped by the serpent Raghu. Glorified in Thevaram lord Naganatha swamy is the presiding deity. There two shrines for Parvathy. Pirainudal kanni on whom the moons rays fall on Karthik Poornima and Girigujambiga who is having Lakshmi and Saraswathi on her both sides. > > >  > > > Raghu with his two consorts has a separate shrine in the outer prahara. Special poojas performed daily on Rahukalams with milk. The milk turns blue during and after abishekam. > > >  > > > > > > Saturn:  Thirunallaru glorified in Thevaram. Thiru + Nal + Aru. Thiru is Sri, Nal is Nala and aru here is not river. It is cured. ( Arudal) Place where Nala was cured. When Nala had bath in the theertha ( called Nala theertha now) and entered the temple Saturn could not follow him and stayed out and thus Nala was cured by lord Sani. Lord Darbaranyeswara ( Sthala vriksha is Darba grass) and goddess Bogamartha Poon Mulaiyal . Saturn has a shrine at the entrance. > > >  > > > Taking an oil bath in Nala theertha and worshipping Lord Dharbaranyeswara and Saturn is advised for Sani dosha. On Saturdays there will be long queue and will take minimum 6 to 7 hours for darshan. > > >  > > > > > > Moon: Thingalur, Thingal is moon in Tamil. The Thevaram of this temple is missing but there is a thevaram sung in this temple to cure a devotee’s snake bite by saint Appar is available. As the name indicates Chandra worshipped Lord and has a separate shrine. > > >  > > > > > > Guru: Lord Guru has two temples both glorified by Thevaram. In Alangudi Apatsahyeswara temple, the Dakshinamoorthy is worshipped as Guru and in Thittai Vasishteswara temple Brahaspathi worshipped Shiva and has a separate shirine near lord himself. > > >  > > >  > > > When visiting these temples also Visit: > > >  > > > > > > Chidambaram Natraja Temple > > > Thiruvidaimarudhur Mahalingaswamy ( madyarjuna) > > > Pattesswaram Durga > > > Thirumananjeri ( Marriage Kshetra) > > > Thirukkarukavur ( Garbarakshambiga for safe child birth) > > > Meda Dakshinamoorthy in Mayuram > > > Big temple in Tanjore and Gangai Konda Cholapuram > > >  > > > If possible to Srirangam and Thiruvanaikovil in Trichy. > > >  > > > Please Note: > > >  > > > > > > The Lord is present in these Shrines for us and giving an easy remedy for lesser mortals like us. Since we could not do severe penance, he is present in these temples and by just having a darshan, we will be relieved. Our Rishis pradishta power, The Tamil saint’s thevara song power and lord’s grace has helped to sustain this. You will really feel the lord in all these kshetras and the radiance . > > >  > > > Many are visiting as a one day picnic and focus on grahas only without even worshipping lord shiva. Since the grahas are in the outer prahara and when the temple is closed in the noon as per Agama sastras, people just visit the outer prahara and leave for next. > > >  > > > Please note that it is important to worship Shiva and Paravathy in the temple first. Bathe in the Tanks. Have Upavas and if not possible have milk and fruits and take Prasad for eating. > > >  > > > Take 3 days off and visit strictly as per sastras. > > >  > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 8/8/09, sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ ...> > > > Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu > > > > > > Saturday, August 8, 2009, 1:01 PM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > I am sending you a small article on the Navagraha Khsetras of Tamilnadu. Our Great Sages experainced lord all over Bharatavarsha and requested him to be present there. Their penance, Their Yantra and Prana pradishta are felt even today. > > > > > > Hence these kshetras had continuous pujas for centuries. Also are glorified by the Tamil saints in Thevaram. ( Thevaram is on Lord Siva and Divyaprabandam is on Vishnu.) > > > > > > You need to visit atleast once in your life time. Extreme case you can outsource the Pujas. The dewasthanams of these temples are well maintained and sincerely perform pujas and you can approach them directly for the conduct of any Pujas. > > > > > > Please mail me if you want to know anything further on these temple. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Sankar > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Namaskar, we just can not make any generalized statement that " ... east, west and north india do not have this culture of charging money " . I am a North Indian Brahmin. My experience (again I am making a generalized statement, but it is true) has been that most of North Indian Brahmins have become completely corrupted...they do not have any scruples at all and most of the North Indian pandits are just out to fleece you...whenever I visit India, I undertake some ritual like some homam or some puja, and as a rule, I have stopped hiring North Indian priests. I just do not have faith in them. Most of the times I end up hiring South Indian pandits... I am not sure about West and East India, but I am very sure what goes in North Indian Brahminical clans. Most of them eat non-vegetarian food, have drinks and other non-brahminical activities. There are so many examples:If one goes to Haridwar in wake of a loved ones' demise, he would just be left appalled over the conjduct of pandits... I try to lead a brahminical life to whatever extent it is possible and actually it pains me so much to see a brahmin not being brahmin any more by the virtue of his actions... Best Regards Manoj Sharma ________________________________ Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag Sunday, August 9, 2009 11:25:21 PM Re: Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu Dear Pdt Arjun ji, Namasthe, Discriminination of kind or another is present in every society or country. If it is financial at one place, it is racial at another. This is not going to change. You must have heard about the recent racial problems that surfaced even in america and obama had to vertually appologise - a country which always condemned India to be racial. This can be found even in such countries like russia or china. They simply change the nature of discrimination. That is all. You have mentioned south India as a whole. I am sorry to tell you, this does not happen in Kerala where you can enter freely inside the temple (depending on customs) and conduct your silent prayer. The only exception perhaps is Sabarimala - during mandala & guruvayur. Here also the entry is totaly free. You may not be able to spend much time inside during special months due to heavy rush, but these are only for a few days after which you can spend ample time inside the temple -depending on rituals & customs and no one will ask you any questions. Forget about special darshans or pooja etc. In Tamilnadu you may have to pay even just to enter the temple. you dont want to go into sanctum sanctorum or do any poojas - just for sitting inside the temple and pray on your own silently. this is what I call absurd and against hindu dharma. In North India, the exploitation is in a different way, that is all. Just look at Puri temple and try to understand what is happening to Lord krishna's idol. Only yesterday one person wrote about having to pay Rs 15000/- for a navagraha homa. In kerala it won't cost more than Rs1500/- We do it at home and know its expences. so exploitation of one kind or another could be found every where. BUT as a devotee, one must not be charged to step inside a temple - as if you are visiting a Zoo - That is what Tamilnadu has done with their temples - A Zoo and Dikshitars, iyers, iyengars etc are silent about it. Sorry for strong words. But when you are proud about culture & laud about it BUT shut your eye towards injustice cannot be tolerated. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > Monday, August 10, 2009 7:18:06 AM Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu dear friends firstly we all shall accept with shame that only in hinduism we have gods giving closest darshan only to rich people. we do not find charges for visiting a church, a mosque or any holy place of other religions. but, the silver lining is that east, west and north india do not have this culture of charging money to have a glimpse of god and only south india has this biased discrimination which can be condoned, for 75 percent of indian gods are free for darshan. like most temples in south, tirupati balaji temple is the worst example of looting money in the name of darshan. a person paying crores of rupees donation or rich peple who contribute are given a straight darshan in the VIP access which is now 6 to 8 hours daily and the distance from the diety is only in feet. then those who pay beween two thousand rupees to five thousand rupees got two hours of exclusive darshan and their distance is in meters. those who wait patiently for several hours or days for darshan without fees (free) would watch from an even farther distance. ironically, corruption is the rootcause of this practice and those akhardham temples which dont charge one paisa for having darshan of thier gods are more richer than tirumala but are not known to many as hyped out by tirumala. they do charge for visiting their gardens, complexes, theatres, galleries etc. but not the temple. you visit any jyotirlingas in north, east or west(except the couple in south) no fees. you visit ram in ayodhya or krishna in mathura both in north, no fees. you visit amarnath and vaishnodevi in kashmir or badarinath and kedarnath in uttaranchal, there is no fees. but come to south, stash your pockets with monies to go closer to god. this is one reason that is making more hindus to convert to christianity or embrace islam as poor hindus can go to a god whom they can afford without paying money, rather this new god is giving goodies for visiting him. so, unless we clearly practice that all are equal in front of god and eliminate fees, poor people cannot afford rich gods and look for alternative free gods. as regards some justifying the fee structure, they must realise that there are many ways to generate money like renting the premises for functions and rituals, renting from shops and hotels, charging from helicopter or car parkers, taking voluntary donations (no force) for development of the fund. at this juncture, i appreciate the birlas who constructed few grandest temples across india and their beautiful temples even in south do not charge any money. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy .com , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Krishna ji, > > I made this point about Tamilnadu temple only to show the injustice done to Hinduism as a whole. I don't know who is behind the concept of charging devottes even to enter them or who is benefitting by it. Whatever may be the reason, it is absurd. > > Now the last point you made >  " we visit Ajmeer darga to pacify rahu and velankanni to pacify Moon " & > " Man inturn is the victim of his own faith and values " > > What kind of a Hindu shall Visit a darga or christain church? under whatever pretext. > > This itself shows eroding values of lack of convictions and knowledge about our own religion. > > It would be better to frame the sentence " Hindus are the victims of their lack of faith and convictions " . > > Simple: how many Muslims or christains do you see praying to a hindu god - TOOOOO negligible. But how many of them do you see engaged constantly to convert hindus or do not loose a chance to show that Hinduism is useless in twarting the poverty of the people and hindu gods are dummies- TOOOOOO Many. > > Hindus become easy prey for others including our own money mongers. > > The irony is that the  so called intelligent and powerfull hindus of Tamilnadu who regard themselves as distinct from rest of India, has not raised a single finger against such blasphemy. > > Hope this is taken in good spirit. > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > >  > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> > > Sunday, August 9, 2009 11:26:42 PM > Re: Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu > >  > Dear Sirs, > Temples have always occupied a prime role in our culture.mainly built as a place for social gathering and communions have acquired prominence over the years due to the faith and trust bestowed by the people. > man looks around to build his confidence to face the day after.he sees himself engulfed in various issues connected with livelihood.he knows that he can tackle them but worried of uncertainities. These uncertainities with a loose thread are linked to fate,bahgya or otherwise destiny with which an aethiest,ardent believer of God and a Theologist are always concerned. > with wide spread awareness in jyotish and the relationship of Gods with planets,commercial means cropped up and the Govts thought to relax from moral responsibilities by passing lao of charitable Institutions and also ways to divert these funds for some other cause.People entrusted with up keep of temples including priests understood their role and importance to squeeze and pinch pockets.Dawn of Political with emphsis on religion have certainly did harm to social fabric. > Spacious temples built for worship have suddenly become inadequate.Modern audio systems have helped in marketing Gods and even our Dharmas.In the name of God and religion one can find lot of money laundering around. > v have witnessed irrspective of geographical limitations right from jammu Kashmir to kanykumari whether the God is of Hindus or of mosleems or Christians.we visit Ajmeer darga to pacify rahu and velankanni to pacify Moon and rameswaram to appease Sun.All have played very important role in mitigating the hardships of common.man.Man inturn is the victim of his own faith and values.whom to blame? > vrkrishnan > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) >  > > --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > Re: Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu > > Sunday, August 9, 2009, 1:09 PM > >  > > Dear Suresh babu, > > well in the name of secularism we have given a Timeless extension to JIZYA tax of our invaders till this day THE MONEY FROM TEMPLE COLLECTION, HUNDI, AND LANDS GIVEN TO IT BY THE ANCIENT KINGS or wealthy or even the poor have been subsidising other minorities institutions AND HAVE NO AUTONOMY either to start a educational institution have to account foreign funds but not our invaders who have indipendent boards or beyond any scruitny . even sikhs who have to go to Nanak sahab accross theb order don't get such previleges for their great contribution to the freedom movements or the sports, art, culture, cusine of this country. > > so the ticket sales have to be in place to suit our politicians none of the minorities have asked for it, but the rulers want to exploit them sadly than help them. so we must blame only or politicians no one else. they also sit on temple boards and enjot special priveleges over others. > > prashant > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@ > > > Sunday, August 9, 2009 9:23:30 PM > Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu > > Dear sankaranarayanan k.s > Namasthe, > > Thanks for providing this valuable information. Many of the traditional importance regarding our temples and places of worship has been sidelined or lost and given way to publicity and money mongers. > > what is appaling in Tamilnadu and not seen elsewhere in India is even to step inside the most of these temples to have a quite prayer, you have to take a ticket ranging from Rs2/- to Rs5/-. Amount is not important but the very thought that a devotee has to buy a ticket to have even a distant darshan inside a temple (closer darshan will cost far more) is totaly against traditional values and concept of Hindu religion and is total repulsive. I have travelled a lot in Tamilnadu and visited most of these temple. What I have written is my own experience. > > Any way thanks a lot. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > , " sankaranarayanan k.s " <shankypriyan@ ...> wrote: > > > > you have missed the attachment > >  > > detailsbelow > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Start from Chidambaram > > > > > >  > > > >  > > > >  > > > > > >  > > > >  > > > >  > > > > > > Mangal > > > > Vaitheswaran Temple > > > > 25 KM > > > > > > Budha > > > > Thiruvenkadu > > > > 10 Km from Vaitheswaran Temple towards Nagapatnam > > > > > > Ketu > > > > Keezh Perumballam > > > > Another 6 Kms > > > > > > Sun > > > > Sorriyanar Koil > > > > 30 Kms from Vaitheeswaran koil - on the way to Kumabakonam > > > > > > Sukra > > > > Kanjanur > > > > 3 km from sooryanar koil > > > > > >  > > > > Reach Kumabakonam - another 12 kms > > > > > > Raghu > > > > Tirunageswaram > > > > 6 kms from Kumbakonam > > > > > > Moon > > > > Thingalur > > > > 30 Kms from Kumbakonam on the way to Thiruvaiyaru > > > > > > Saturn > > > > Thirunallaru > > > > 45 kms from kumbakonam on the way to Karaikal > > > > > > Guru > > > > Alangudi > > > > 20 kms from Kumbakonam - Dakshinamoorthy > > > > > > Guru > > > > Thittai > > > > 40 Kms from Kumbakonam on the way to Tanjore.Brahaspathi > >  > > Navagraha Khestras > >  > > From Chennai you can first reach Chidambaram ( Famous Natraj temple) and start covering the places. If you start from Trichy, then start from Tanjore on the reverse order. > >  > > > > Vaitheswaran Temple: Glorified by the 6th Century Thevaram, the Tamil name of the temple is Pulirukkuveluer. Ie Pul + Irukku + Vel + ur. Ur is village. Pul is bird, here Jadayu, Irukku is Rig Veda, Vel is lord Muruga. This temple is worshipped by Jadayu, Rig Veda and Lord Muruga. > >  > > Legend is when the world was suffering with health problem, Shiva and Parvathy came as a doctor couples. Hence the name Vaidhyanatha to the lord and the town is now called in lord’s name. The theertha is called Sidhamirtha theertha and bathing in the tank and worshipping god and goddess cures one from all health problems. Lord Mangal had his curse cured here and has a separate shrine in the outer prahara. Sthala vriksha is neem. > >  > > > > Thiruvenkadu: Thiru is Sri, Ven is white and kadu is forest. Swetharanyam in Sanskrit. Glorified in Thevaram and Valmiki Ramayana. When Ram, Lakshman and Seetha were bathing in Godavari and coming out in aranya kanda, valmiki says it looked like Lord Shiva and Parvathi walking with Nandhi leading the way in Swetharanya Kshetra. > >  > > Here there are three theerthas and bathing in all three theerthas is important. There is a Vadaranya and shradh can be performed like the brahmakapala. Lord is in 3 forms here Shiva, Nataraja and Agoraveerabhadra. Hence 3 tanks and 3 sthala vriksha. > >  > > Budha got his nabumsak curse cured and has a separate shrine in the outer prahara. > >  > > > >  Kil perumballam. This shiva temple has a separate Ketu shrine and ketu had his curse cured here. This temple is not glorified in thevara. Infact the Thirukketheswaram in Srilanka is glorified in thevaram as the temple worshipped by Ketu. If possible Thirukketheswaram should be worshipped .The Kilperumpallam temple though not glorified in thevaram is definitely of before 6th century origin. > > Sun: Sooriyanar Koil: Sooriyan is Sun in Tamil. This is actually 2 temples. The Shiva temple is called Thirumanagalakudi glorified in thevaram ( it is just opposite to the Sun temple) and the Navagraha temple opposite to the Shiva temple. > >  > > Kalava Maharishi had Kushtarog and did a severe penance to Navagrahas. Navagrahas appeared before him and cured his Kushtarog. Since Navagraha’s duty is to give as per once karma and they donot have any right to cure anybody, they were cursed to have kushtarog. > >  > > The Navagrahas did severe penance to Pranavaradeswara at Thirumanagalkudi and lord cured their kushtarog. They were told to bless the people who worship him. The Navagrahas have a separate temple with Sun having the central shrine with his consorts, Bruhaspathi facing him and all the other seven surrounding him. > >  > > Sthala vriksha is Urga ( Erukku) and on Sundays eating curd rice in Urga leaf is supposed to cure disease. > >  > >  > > > > Kanjanur: Here there is no separate Sukra shrine. Lord Vishnu during Vamanavatar, pierced the eyes of Sukra when he blocked Mahabali from giving the land to lord Vishnu. Vishnu worshipped lord Shiva ( Agneswara) for this Sukra dosha and hence this is a Sukra sthala. Glorified in Thevaram. > >  > > > > Raghu: Thirunageswaram as the name suggest worshipped by the serpent Raghu. Glorified in Thevaram lord Naganatha swamy is the presiding deity. There two shrines for Parvathy. Pirainudal kanni on whom the moons rays fall on Karthik Poornima and Girigujambiga who is having Lakshmi and Saraswathi on her both sides. > >  > > Raghu with his two consorts has a separate shrine in the outer prahara. Special poojas performed daily on Rahukalams with milk. The milk turns blue during and after abishekam. > >  > > > > Saturn:  Thirunallaru glorified in Thevaram. Thiru + Nal + Aru. Thiru is Sri, Nal is Nala and aru here is not river. It is cured. ( Arudal) Place where Nala was cured. When Nala had bath in the theertha ( called Nala theertha now) and entered the temple Saturn could not follow him and stayed out and thus Nala was cured by lord Sani. Lord Darbaranyeswara ( Sthala vriksha is Darba grass) and goddess Bogamartha Poon Mulaiyal . Saturn has a shrine at the entrance. > >  > > Taking an oil bath in Nala theertha and worshipping Lord Dharbaranyeswara and Saturn is advised for Sani dosha. On Saturdays there will be long queue and will take minimum 6 to 7 hours for darshan. > >  > > > > Moon: Thingalur, Thingal is moon in Tamil. The Thevaram of this temple is missing but there is a thevaram sung in this temple to cure a devotee’s snake bite by saint Appar is available. As the name indicates Chandra worshipped Lord and has a separate shrine. > >  > > > > Guru: Lord Guru has two temples both glorified by Thevaram. In Alangudi Apatsahyeswara temple, the Dakshinamoorthy is worshipped as Guru and in Thittai Vasishteswara temple Brahaspathi worshipped Shiva and has a separate shirine near lord himself. > >  > >  > > When visiting these temples also Visit: > >  > > > > Chidambaram Natraja Temple > > Thiruvidaimarudhur Mahalingaswamy ( madyarjuna) > > Pattesswaram Durga > > Thirumananjeri ( Marriage Kshetra) > > Thirukkarukavur ( Garbarakshambiga for safe child birth) > > Meda Dakshinamoorthy in Mayuram > > Big temple in Tanjore and Gangai Konda Cholapuram > >  > > If possible to Srirangam and Thiruvanaikovil in Trichy. > >  > > Please Note: > >  > > > > The Lord is present in these Shrines for us and giving an easy remedy for lesser mortals like us. Since we could not do severe penance, he is present in these temples and by just having a darshan, we will be relieved. Our Rishis pradishta power, The Tamil saint’s thevara song power and lord’s grace has helped to sustain this. You will really feel the lord in all these kshetras and the radiance . > >  > > Many are visiting as a one day picnic and focus on grahas only without even worshipping lord shiva. Since the grahas are in the outer prahara and when the temple is closed in the noon as per Agama sastras, people just visit the outer prahara and leave for next. > >  > > Please note that it is important to worship Shiva and Paravathy in the temple first. Bathe in the Tanks. Have Upavas and if not possible have milk and fruits and take Prasad for eating. > >  > > Take 3 days off and visit strictly as per sastras. > >  > > > > > > --- On Sat, 8/8/09, sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ ...> > > Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu > > > > Saturday, August 8, 2009, 1:01 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > I am sending you a small article on the Navagraha Khsetras of Tamilnadu. Our Great Sages experainced lord all over Bharatavarsha and requested him to be present there. Their penance, Their Yantra and Prana pradishta are felt even today. > > > > Hence these kshetras had continuous pujas for centuries. Also are glorified by the Tamil saints in Thevaram. ( Thevaram is on Lord Siva and Divyaprabandam is on Vishnu.) > > > > You need to visit atleast once in your life time. Extreme case you can outsource the Pujas. The dewasthanams of these temples are well maintained and sincerely perform pujas and you can approach them directly for the conduct of any Pujas. > > > > Please mail me if you want to know anything further on these temple. > > > > Regards > > > > Sankar > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 dear friend let me restate my observation that temples DO NOT charge any entrance fee for having darshan of the lord in any of their temples. please share if you have any knowledge of a temple in north india where one fees for darshan are there, i stand educated. as regards brahmins corrupt are charging monies etc. north, we cannot talk on a particular caste as one group and attribute how they should be. with the rise of mayavati and no jobs for brahmins as teachers or other noble professions, many (chaturvedis, trivedis, dwivedis, vedis, tripathis, mishras, shuklas, sharmas etc.) drifted to other highly skilled professions and few remained as pandits or purohits and out of these few may be corrupt which is natural to find few rotten eggs in any basket. in bihar, you find most brahmins doing worst and least paid jobs for survival and some bihari brahmins are even working as coolis or labour in other states. in south, while most brahmins are highly educated and have gone to the usa or in high jobs wihtin india, few stuck to their pofession and you have more supply than demand which is why the charges are cheap for brahmin rituals in the south. the main subject point of discussion is that temples do not chrge money just for darshan in all pats of india and only south is looting money in the name of having close, closer and closest darshan of god for the rich, richer and richest. recently one member opined that in kerala, there is no charge for having a closer darshan in any hindu temples and if it is true, then we shall appreciate the wisdom of the keralites in treating all humans alike. for those who are not aware and are pinched by my observation of temples in south charging monies for mere darshan, let me also state another truth that most (if not all) south indian temples do not allow the pilgrims to touch the diety. even the richest person can only have a closest darshan but do not touch the diety. come to other parts of india epecially north, all humans, old people or children, men or women, rich or poor, high caste or low caste ALL CAN TOUCH THE DIETY. the reason cited in south is that only pure brahmin poojaris who man the sanctum sanctorum can touch the idol and not all. reason for another discrimination in keeping god away from he believers, yes. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy.com , Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000 wrote: > > Namaskar, > we just can not make any generalized statement that " ... east, west and north india do not have this culture of charging money " . I am a North Indian Brahmin. My experience (again I am making a generalized statement, but it is true) has been that most of North Indian Brahmins have become completely corrupted...they do not have any scruples at all and most of the North Indian pandits are just out to fleece you...whenever I visit India, I undertake some ritual like some homam or some puja, and as a rule, I have stopped hiring North Indian priests. I just do not have faith in them. Most of the times I end up hiring South Indian pandits... > I am not sure about West and East India, but I am very sure what goes in North Indian Brahminical clans. Most of them eat non-vegetarian food, have drinks and other non-brahminical activities. There are so many examples:If one goes to Haridwar in wake of a loved ones' demise, he would just be left appalled over the conjduct of pandits... > I try to lead a brahminical life to whatever extent it is possible and actually it pains me so much to see a brahmin not being brahmin any more by the virtue of his actions... > Best Regards > Manoj Sharma > > > > > ________________________________ > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag > > Sunday, August 9, 2009 11:25:21 PM > Re: Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu > > > Dear Pdt Arjun ji, > Namasthe, > > Discriminination of kind or another is present in every society or country. If it is financial at one place, it is racial at another. This is not going to change. You must have heard about the recent racial problems that surfaced even in america and obama had to vertually appologise - a country which always condemned India to be racial. > > This can be found even in such countries like russia or china. They simply change the nature of discrimination. That is all. > > You have mentioned south India as a whole. I am sorry to tell you, this does not happen in Kerala where you can enter freely inside the temple (depending on customs) and conduct your silent prayer. The only exception perhaps is Sabarimala - during mandala & guruvayur. Here also the entry is totaly free. You may not be able to spend much time inside during special months due to heavy rush, but these are only for a few days after which you can spend ample time inside the temple -depending on rituals & customs and no one will ask you any questions. > > Forget about special darshans or pooja etc. In Tamilnadu you may have to pay even just to enter the temple. you dont want to go into sanctum sanctorum or do any poojas - just for sitting inside the temple and pray on your own silently. this is what I call absurd and against hindu dharma. > > In North India, the exploitation is in a different way, that is all. Just look at Puri temple and try to understand what is happening to Lord krishna's idol. Only yesterday one person wrote about having to pay Rs 15000/- for a navagraha homa. In kerala it won't cost more than Rs1500/- > > We do it at home and know its expences. > > so exploitation of one kind or another could be found every where. BUT as a devotee, one must not be charged to step inside a temple - as if you are visiting a Zoo - That is what Tamilnadu has done with their temples - A Zoo and Dikshitars, iyers, iyengars etc are silent about it. > > Sorry for strong words. But when you are proud about culture & laud about it BUT shut your eye towards injustice cannot be tolerated. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > > Monday, August 10, 2009 7:18:06 AM > Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu > > > dear friends > > firstly we all shall accept with shame that only in hinduism we have gods giving closest darshan only to rich people. we do not find charges for visiting a church, a mosque or any holy place of other religions. > > but, the silver lining is that east, west and north india do not have this culture of charging money to have a glimpse of god and only south india has this biased discrimination which can be condoned, for 75 percent of indian gods are free for darshan. like most temples in south, tirupati balaji temple is the worst example of looting money in the name of darshan. a person paying crores of rupees donation or rich peple who contribute are given a straight darshan in the VIP access which is now 6 to 8 hours daily and the distance from the diety is only in feet. then those who pay beween two thousand rupees to five thousand rupees got two hours of exclusive darshan and their distance is in meters. those who wait patiently for several hours or days for darshan without fees (free) would watch from an even farther distance. > > ironically, corruption is the rootcause of this practice and those akhardham temples which dont charge one paisa for having darshan of thier gods are more richer than tirumala but are not known to many as hyped out by tirumala. they do charge for visiting their gardens, complexes, theatres, galleries etc. but not the temple. > > you visit any jyotirlingas in north, east or west(except the couple in south) no fees. you visit ram in ayodhya or krishna in mathura both in north, no fees. you visit amarnath and vaishnodevi in kashmir or badarinath and kedarnath in uttaranchal, there is no fees. but come to south, stash your pockets with monies to go closer to god. > > this is one reason that is making more hindus to convert to christianity or embrace islam as poor hindus can go to a god whom they can afford without paying money, rather this new god is giving goodies for visiting him. > > so, unless we clearly practice that all are equal in front of god and eliminate fees, poor people cannot afford rich gods and look for alternative free gods. > > as regards some justifying the fee structure, they must realise that there are many ways to generate money like renting the premises for functions and rituals, renting from shops and hotels, charging from helicopter or car parkers, taking voluntary donations (no force) for development of the fund. at this juncture, i appreciate the birlas who constructed few grandest temples across india and their beautiful temples even in south do not charge any money. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > I made this point about Tamilnadu temple only to show the injustice done to Hinduism as a whole. I don't know who is behind the concept of charging devottes even to enter them or who is benefitting by it. Whatever may be the reason, it is absurd. > > > > Now the last point you made > >  " we visit Ajmeer darga to pacify rahu and velankanni to pacify Moon " & > > " Man inturn is the victim of his own faith and values " > > > > What kind of a Hindu shall Visit a darga or christain church? under whatever pretext. > > > > This itself shows eroding values of lack of convictions and knowledge about our own religion. > > > > It would be better to frame the sentence " Hindus are the victims of their lack of faith and convictions " . > > > > Simple: how many Muslims or christains do you see praying to a hindu god - TOOOOO negligible. But how many of them do you see engaged constantly to convert hindus or do not loose a chance to show that Hinduism is useless in twarting the poverty of the people and hindu gods are dummies- TOOOOOO Many. > > > > Hindus become easy prey for others including our own money mongers. > > > > The irony is that the  so called intelligent and powerfull hindus of Tamilnadu who regard themselves as distinct from rest of India, has not raised a single finger against such blasphemy. > > > > Hope this is taken in good spirit. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> > > > > Sunday, August 9, 2009 11:26:42 PM > > Re: Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu > > > >  > > Dear Sirs, > > Temples have always occupied a prime role in our culture.mainly built as a place for social gathering and communions have acquired prominence over the years due to the faith and trust bestowed by the people. > > man looks around to build his confidence to face the day after.he sees himself engulfed in various issues connected with livelihood.he knows that he can tackle them but worried of uncertainities. These uncertainities with a loose thread are linked to fate,bahgya or otherwise destiny with which an aethiest,ardent believer of God and a Theologist are always concerned. > > with wide spread awareness in jyotish and the relationship of Gods with planets,commercial means cropped up and the Govts thought to relax from moral responsibilities by passing lao of charitable Institutions and also ways to divert these funds for some other cause.People entrusted with up keep of temples including priests understood their role and importance to squeeze and pinch pockets.Dawn of Political with emphsis on religion have certainly did harm to social fabric. > > Spacious temples built for worship have suddenly become inadequate.Modern audio systems have helped in marketing Gods and even our Dharmas.In the name of God and religion one can find lot of money laundering around. > > v have witnessed irrspective of geographical limitations right from jammu Kashmir to kanykumari whether the God is of Hindus or of mosleems or Christians.we visit Ajmeer darga to pacify rahu and velankanni to pacify Moon and rameswaram to appease Sun.All have played very important role in mitigating the hardships of common.man.Man inturn is the victim of his own faith and values.whom to blame? > > vrkrishnan > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > >  > > > > --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: > > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > > Re: Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu > > > > Sunday, August 9, 2009, 1:09 PM > > > >  > > > > Dear Suresh babu, > > > > well in the name of secularism we have given a Timeless extension to JIZYA tax of our invaders till this day THE MONEY FROM TEMPLE COLLECTION, HUNDI, AND LANDS GIVEN TO IT BY THE ANCIENT KINGS or wealthy or even the poor have been subsidising other minorities institutions AND HAVE NO AUTONOMY either to start a educational institution have to account foreign funds but not our invaders who have indipendent boards or beyond any scruitny . even sikhs who have to go to Nanak sahab accross theb order don't get such previleges for their great contribution to the freedom movements or the sports, art, culture, cusine of this country. > > > > so the ticket sales have to be in place to suit our politicians none of the minorities have asked for it, but the rulers want to exploit them sadly than help them. so we must blame only or politicians no one else. they also sit on temple boards and enjot special priveleges over others. > > > > prashant > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@ > > > > > Sunday, August 9, 2009 9:23:30 PM > > Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu > > > > Dear sankaranarayanan k.s > > Namasthe, > > > > Thanks for providing this valuable information. Many of the traditional importance regarding our temples and places of worship has been sidelined or lost and given way to publicity and money mongers. > > > > what is appaling in Tamilnadu and not seen elsewhere in India is even to step inside the most of these temples to have a quite prayer, you have to take a ticket ranging from Rs2/- to Rs5/-. Amount is not important but the very thought that a devotee has to buy a ticket to have even a distant darshan inside a temple (closer darshan will cost far more) is totaly against traditional values and concept of Hindu religion and is total repulsive. I have travelled a lot in Tamilnadu and visited most of these temple. What I have written is my own experience. > > > > Any way thanks a lot. > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > , " sankaranarayanan k.s " <shankypriyan@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > you have missed the attachment > > >  > > > detailsbelow > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Start from Chidambaram > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >  > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >  > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Mangal > > > > > > Vaitheswaran Temple > > > > > > 25 KM > > > > > > > > > Budha > > > > > > Thiruvenkadu > > > > > > 10 Km from Vaitheswaran Temple towards Nagapatnam > > > > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > Keezh Perumballam > > > > > > Another 6 Kms > > > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > Sorriyanar Koil > > > > > > 30 Kms from Vaitheeswaran koil - on the way to Kumabakonam > > > > > > > > > Sukra > > > > > > Kanjanur > > > > > > 3 km from sooryanar koil > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Reach Kumabakonam - another 12 kms > > > > > > > > > Raghu > > > > > > Tirunageswaram > > > > > > 6 kms from Kumbakonam > > > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > Thingalur > > > > > > 30 Kms from Kumbakonam on the way to Thiruvaiyaru > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > Thirunallaru > > > > > > 45 kms from kumbakonam on the way to Karaikal > > > > > > > > > Guru > > > > > > Alangudi > > > > > > 20 kms from Kumbakonam - Dakshinamoorthy > > > > > > > > > Guru > > > > > > Thittai > > > > > > 40 Kms from Kumbakonam on the way to Tanjore.Brahaspathi > > >  > > > Navagraha Khestras > > >  > > > From Chennai you can first reach Chidambaram ( Famous Natraj temple) and start covering the places. If you start from Trichy, then start from Tanjore on the reverse order. > > >  > > > > > > Vaitheswaran Temple: Glorified by the 6th Century Thevaram, the Tamil name of the temple is Pulirukkuveluer. Ie Pul + Irukku + Vel + ur. Ur is village. Pul is bird, here Jadayu, Irukku is Rig Veda, Vel is lord Muruga. This temple is worshipped by Jadayu, Rig Veda and Lord Muruga. > > >  > > > Legend is when the world was suffering with health problem, Shiva and Parvathy came as a doctor couples. Hence the name Vaidhyanatha to the lord and the town is now called in lord’s name. The theertha is called Sidhamirtha theertha and bathing in the tank and worshipping god and goddess cures one from all health problems. Lord Mangal had his curse cured here and has a separate shrine in the outer prahara. Sthala vriksha is neem. > > >  > > > > > > Thiruvenkadu: Thiru is Sri, Ven is white and kadu is forest. Swetharanyam in Sanskrit. Glorified in Thevaram and Valmiki Ramayana. When Ram, Lakshman and Seetha were bathing in Godavari and coming out in aranya kanda, valmiki says it looked like Lord Shiva and Parvathi walking with Nandhi leading the way in Swetharanya Kshetra. > > >  > > > Here there are three theerthas and bathing in all three theerthas is important. There is a Vadaranya and shradh can be performed like the brahmakapala. Lord is in 3 forms here Shiva, Nataraja and Agoraveerabhadra. Hence 3 tanks and 3 sthala vriksha. > > >  > > > Budha got his nabumsak curse cured and has a separate shrine in the outer prahara. > > >  > > > > > >  Kil perumballam. This shiva temple has a separate Ketu shrine and ketu had his curse cured here. This temple is not glorified in thevara. Infact the Thirukketheswaram in Srilanka is glorified in thevaram as the temple worshipped by Ketu. If possible Thirukketheswaram should be worshipped .The Kilperumpallam temple though not glorified in thevaram is definitely of before 6th century origin. > > > Sun: Sooriyanar Koil: Sooriyan is Sun in Tamil. This is actually 2 temples. The Shiva temple is called Thirumanagalakudi glorified in thevaram ( it is just opposite to the Sun temple) and the Navagraha temple opposite to the Shiva temple. > > >  > > > Kalava Maharishi had Kushtarog and did a severe penance to Navagrahas. Navagrahas appeared before him and cured his Kushtarog. Since Navagraha’s duty is to give as per once karma and they donot have any right to cure anybody, they were cursed to have kushtarog. > > >  > > > The Navagrahas did severe penance to Pranavaradeswara at Thirumanagalkudi and lord cured their kushtarog. They were told to bless the people who worship him. The Navagrahas have a separate temple with Sun having the central shrine with his consorts, Bruhaspathi facing him and all the other seven surrounding him. > > >  > > > Sthala vriksha is Urga ( Erukku) and on Sundays eating curd rice in Urga leaf is supposed to cure disease. > > >  > > >  > > > > > > Kanjanur: Here there is no separate Sukra shrine. Lord Vishnu during Vamanavatar, pierced the eyes of Sukra when he blocked Mahabali from giving the land to lord Vishnu. Vishnu worshipped lord Shiva ( Agneswara) for this Sukra dosha and hence this is a Sukra sthala. Glorified in Thevaram. > > >  > > > > > > Raghu: Thirunageswaram as the name suggest worshipped by the serpent Raghu. Glorified in Thevaram lord Naganatha swamy is the presiding deity. There two shrines for Parvathy. Pirainudal kanni on whom the moons rays fall on Karthik Poornima and Girigujambiga who is having Lakshmi and Saraswathi on her both sides. > > >  > > > Raghu with his two consorts has a separate shrine in the outer prahara. Special poojas performed daily on Rahukalams with milk. The milk turns blue during and after abishekam. > > >  > > > > > > Saturn:  Thirunallaru glorified in Thevaram. Thiru + Nal + Aru. Thiru is Sri, Nal is Nala and aru here is not river. It is cured. ( Arudal) Place where Nala was cured. When Nala had bath in the theertha ( called Nala theertha now) and entered the temple Saturn could not follow him and stayed out and thus Nala was cured by lord Sani. Lord Darbaranyeswara ( Sthala vriksha is Darba grass) and goddess Bogamartha Poon Mulaiyal . Saturn has a shrine at the entrance. > > >  > > > Taking an oil bath in Nala theertha and worshipping Lord Dharbaranyeswara and Saturn is advised for Sani dosha. On Saturdays there will be long queue and will take minimum 6 to 7 hours for darshan. > > >  > > > > > > Moon: Thingalur, Thingal is moon in Tamil. The Thevaram of this temple is missing but there is a thevaram sung in this temple to cure a devotee’s snake bite by saint Appar is available. As the name indicates Chandra worshipped Lord and has a separate shrine. > > >  > > > > > > Guru: Lord Guru has two temples both glorified by Thevaram. In Alangudi Apatsahyeswara temple, the Dakshinamoorthy is worshipped as Guru and in Thittai Vasishteswara temple Brahaspathi worshipped Shiva and has a separate shirine near lord himself. > > >  > > >  > > > When visiting these temples also Visit: > > >  > > > > > > Chidambaram Natraja Temple > > > Thiruvidaimarudhur Mahalingaswamy ( madyarjuna) > > > Pattesswaram Durga > > > Thirumananjeri ( Marriage Kshetra) > > > Thirukkarukavur ( Garbarakshambiga for safe child birth) > > > Meda Dakshinamoorthy in Mayuram > > > Big temple in Tanjore and Gangai Konda Cholapuram > > >  > > > If possible to Srirangam and Thiruvanaikovil in Trichy. > > >  > > > Please Note: > > >  > > > > > > The Lord is present in these Shrines for us and giving an easy remedy for lesser mortals like us. Since we could not do severe penance, he is present in these temples and by just having a darshan, we will be relieved. Our Rishis pradishta power, The Tamil saint’s thevara song power and lord’s grace has helped to sustain this. You will really feel the lord in all these kshetras and the radiance . > > >  > > > Many are visiting as a one day picnic and focus on grahas only without even worshipping lord shiva. Since the grahas are in the outer prahara and when the temple is closed in the noon as per Agama sastras, people just visit the outer prahara and leave for next. > > >  > > > Please note that it is important to worship Shiva and Paravathy in the temple first. Bathe in the Tanks. Have Upavas and if not possible have milk and fruits and take Prasad for eating. > > >  > > > Take 3 days off and visit strictly as per sastras. > > >  > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 8/8/09, sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ ...> > > > Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu > > > > > > Saturday, August 8, 2009, 1:01 PM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > I am sending you a small article on the Navagraha Khsetras of Tamilnadu. Our Great Sages experainced lord all over Bharatavarsha and requested him to be present there. Their penance, Their Yantra and Prana pradishta are felt even today. > > > > > > Hence these kshetras had continuous pujas for centuries. Also are glorified by the Tamil saints in Thevaram. ( Thevaram is on Lord Siva and Divyaprabandam is on Vishnu.) > > > > > > You need to visit atleast once in your life time. Extreme case you can outsource the Pujas. The dewasthanams of these temples are well maintained and sincerely perform pujas and you can approach them directly for the conduct of any Pujas. > > > > > > Please mail me if you want to know anything further on these temple. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Sankar > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Sir, Learned man a brahmin as custodian for performing nitya pooja and other rituals can only take care snactum snactorum. Touching God or personalising God in places of worship need some regulations.As more and more come and pray,the temples acquire prominence.Entry,maintenance,following nitya pooja and bearing in mind some vastu principles are essentials. Charging reasonably or seeking fees for rituals need not be considered in negative sense.God is for all.But it is the time that matters for all.If richest has no time or little time,it is the poor with pure devotion who wants to cling to the God and any teertha yatra is to fulfil his wish for his life time.His capacity to afford naturally is very meagre.These r gods who would like to face all ordeals and wants to have darshan and cry before him to get hope for good days and fortune ahead in life.So he desrves comfort as well as consolation.God is indispensably is for all. vrkrishnan Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services)  --- On Mon, 8/10/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu Monday, August 10, 2009, 10:11 PM  dear friend let me restate my observation that temples DO NOT charge any entrance fee for having darshan of the lord in any of their temples. please share if you have any knowledge of a temple in north india where one fees for darshan are there, i stand educated. as regards brahmins corrupt are charging monies etc. north, we cannot talk on a particular caste as one group and attribute how they should be. with the rise of mayavati and no jobs for brahmins as teachers or other noble professions, many (chaturvedis, trivedis, dwivedis, vedis, tripathis, mishras, shuklas, sharmas etc.) drifted to other highly skilled professions and few remained as pandits or purohits and out of these few may be corrupt which is natural to find few rotten eggs in any basket. in bihar, you find most brahmins doing worst and least paid jobs for survival and some bihari brahmins are even working as coolis or labour in other states. in south, while most brahmins are highly educated and have gone to the usa or in high jobs wihtin india, few stuck to their pofession and you have more supply than demand which is why the charges are cheap for brahmin rituals in the south. the main subject point of discussion is that temples do not chrge money just for darshan in all pats of india and only south is looting money in the name of having close, closer and closest darshan of god for the rich, richer and richest. recently one member opined that in kerala, there is no charge for having a closer darshan in any hindu temples and if it is true, then we shall appreciate the wisdom of the keralites in treating all humans alike.. for those who are not aware and are pinched by my observation of temples in south charging monies for mere darshan, let me also state another truth that most (if not all) south indian temples do not allow the pilgrims to touch the diety. even the richest person can only have a closest darshan but do not touch the diety. come to other parts of india epecially north, all humans, old people or children, men or women, rich or poor, high caste or low caste ALL CAN TOUCH THE DIETY. the reason cited in south is that only pure brahmin poojaris who man the sanctum sanctorum can touch the idol and not all. reason for another discrimination in keeping god away from he believers, yes. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun www.rudraksharemedy .com , Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000@ ...> wrote: > > Namaskar, > we just can not make any generalized statement that " ... east, west and north india do not have this culture of charging money " . I am a North Indian Brahmin. My experience (again I am making a generalized statement, but it is true) has been that most of North Indian Brahmins have become completely corrupted... they do not have any scruples at all and most of the North Indian pandits are just out to fleece you...whenever I visit India, I undertake some ritual like some homam or some puja, and as a rule, I have stopped hiring North Indian priests. I just do not have faith in them. Most of the times I end up hiring South Indian pandits... > I am not sure about West and East India, but I am very sure what goes in North Indian Brahminical clans. Most of them eat non-vegetarian food, have drinks and other non-brahminical activities. There are so many examples:If one goes to Haridwar in wake of a loved ones' demise, he would just be left appalled over the conjduct of pandits... > I try to lead a brahminical life to whatever extent it is possible and actually it pains me so much to see a brahmin not being brahmin any more by the virtue of his actions... > Best Regards > Manoj Sharma > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> > > Sunday, August 9, 2009 11:25:21 PM > Re: Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu > > > Dear Pdt Arjun ji, > Namasthe, > > Discriminination of kind or another is present in every society or country. If it is financial at one place, it is racial at another. This is not going to change. You must have heard about the recent racial problems that surfaced even in america and obama had to vertually appologise - a country which always condemned India to be racial. > > This can be found even in such countries like russia or china. They simply change the nature of discrimination. That is all. > > You have mentioned south India as a whole. I am sorry to tell you, this does not happen in Kerala where you can enter freely inside the temple (depending on customs) and conduct your silent prayer. The only exception perhaps is Sabarimala - during mandala & guruvayur. Here also the entry is totaly free. You may not be able to spend much time inside during special months due to heavy rush, but these are only for a few days after which you can spend ample time inside the temple -depending on rituals & customs and no one will ask you any questions. > > Forget about special darshans or pooja etc. In Tamilnadu you may have to pay even just to enter the temple. you dont want to go into sanctum sanctorum or do any poojas - just for sitting inside the temple and pray on your own silently. this is what I call absurd and against hindu dharma. > > In North India, the exploitation is in a different way, that is all. Just look at Puri temple and try to understand what is happening to Lord krishna's idol. Only yesterday one person wrote about having to pay Rs 15000/- for a navagraha homa. In kerala it won't cost more than Rs1500/- > > We do it at home and know its expences. > > so exploitation of one kind or another could be found every where. BUT as a devotee, one must not be charged to step inside a temple - as if you are visiting a Zoo - That is what Tamilnadu has done with their temples - A Zoo and Dikshitars, iyers, iyengars etc are silent about it. > > Sorry for strong words. But when you are proud about culture & laud about it BUT shut your eye towards injustice cannot be tolerated. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > > > Monday, August 10, 2009 7:18:06 AM > Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu > > > dear friends > > firstly we all shall accept with shame that only in hinduism we have gods giving closest darshan only to rich people. we do not find charges for visiting a church, a mosque or any holy place of other religions. > > but, the silver lining is that east, west and north india do not have this culture of charging money to have a glimpse of god and only south india has this biased discrimination which can be condoned, for 75 percent of indian gods are free for darshan. like most temples in south, tirupati balaji temple is the worst example of looting money in the name of darshan. a person paying crores of rupees donation or rich peple who contribute are given a straight darshan in the VIP access which is now 6 to 8 hours daily and the distance from the diety is only in feet. then those who pay beween two thousand rupees to five thousand rupees got two hours of exclusive darshan and their distance is in meters. those who wait patiently for several hours or days for darshan without fees (free) would watch from an even farther distance. > > ironically, corruption is the rootcause of this practice and those akhardham temples which dont charge one paisa for having darshan of thier gods are more richer than tirumala but are not known to many as hyped out by tirumala. they do charge for visiting their gardens, complexes, theatres, galleries etc. but not the temple. > > you visit any jyotirlingas in north, east or west(except the couple in south) no fees. you visit ram in ayodhya or krishna in mathura both in north, no fees. you visit amarnath and vaishnodevi in kashmir or badarinath and kedarnath in uttaranchal, there is no fees. but come to south, stash your pockets with monies to go closer to god. > > this is one reason that is making more hindus to convert to christianity or embrace islam as poor hindus can go to a god whom they can afford without paying money, rather this new god is giving goodies for visiting him. > > so, unless we clearly practice that all are equal in front of god and eliminate fees, poor people cannot afford rich gods and look for alternative free gods. > > as regards some justifying the fee structure, they must realise that there are many ways to generate money like renting the premises for functions and rituals, renting from shops and hotels, charging from helicopter or car parkers, taking voluntary donations (no force) for development of the fund. at this juncture, i appreciate the birlas who constructed few grandest temples across india and their beautiful temples even in south do not charge any money. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy .com > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > I made this point about Tamilnadu temple only to show the injustice done to Hinduism as a whole. I don't know who is behind the concept of charging devottes even to enter them or who is benefitting by it. Whatever may be the reason, it is absurd. > > > > Now the last point you made > >  " we visit Ajmeer darga to pacify rahu and velankanni to pacify Moon " & > > " Man inturn is the victim of his own faith and values " > > > > What kind of a Hindu shall Visit a darga or christain church? under whatever pretext. > > > > This itself shows eroding values of lack of convictions and knowledge about our own religion. > > > > It would be better to frame the sentence " Hindus are the victims of their lack of faith and convictions " . > > > > Simple: how many Muslims or christains do you see praying to a hindu god - TOOOOO negligible. But how many of them do you see engaged constantly to convert hindus or do not loose a chance to show that Hinduism is useless in twarting the poverty of the people and hindu gods are dummies- TOOOOOO Many. > > > > Hindus become easy prey for others including our own money mongers. > > > > The irony is that the  so called intelligent and powerfull hindus of Tamilnadu who regard themselves as distinct from rest of India, has not raised a single finger against such blasphemy. > > > > Hope this is taken in good spirit. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> > > > > Sunday, August 9, 2009 11:26:42 PM > > Re: Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu > > > >  > > Dear Sirs, > > Temples have always occupied a prime role in our culture.mainly built as a place for social gathering and communions have acquired prominence over the years due to the faith and trust bestowed by the people. > > man looks around to build his confidence to face the day after.he sees himself engulfed in various issues connected with livelihood.he knows that he can tackle them but worried of uncertainities. These uncertainities with a loose thread are linked to fate,bahgya or otherwise destiny with which an aethiest,ardent believer of God and a Theologist are always concerned. > > with wide spread awareness in jyotish and the relationship of Gods with planets,commercial means cropped up and the Govts thought to relax from moral responsibilities by passing lao of charitable Institutions and also ways to divert these funds for some other cause.People entrusted with up keep of temples including priests understood their role and importance to squeeze and pinch pockets.Dawn of Political with emphsis on religion have certainly did harm to social fabric. > > Spacious temples built for worship have suddenly become inadequate.Modern audio systems have helped in marketing Gods and even our Dharmas.In the name of God and religion one can find lot of money laundering around. > > v have witnessed irrspective of geographical limitations right from jammu Kashmir to kanykumari whether the God is of Hindus or of mosleems or Christians.we visit Ajmeer darga to pacify rahu and velankanni to pacify Moon and rameswaram to appease Sun.All have played very important role in mitigating the hardships of common.man.Man inturn is the victim of his own faith and values.whom to blame? > > vrkrishnan > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > >  > > > > --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: > > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > > > Re: Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu > > > > Sunday, August 9, 2009, 1:09 PM > > > >  > > > > Dear Suresh babu, > > > > well in the name of secularism we have given a Timeless extension to JIZYA tax of our invaders till this day THE MONEY FROM TEMPLE COLLECTION, HUNDI, AND LANDS GIVEN TO IT BY THE ANCIENT KINGS or wealthy or even the poor have been subsidising other minorities institutions AND HAVE NO AUTONOMY either to start a educational institution have to account foreign funds but not our invaders who have indipendent boards or beyond any scruitny . even sikhs who have to go to Nanak sahab accross theb order don't get such previleges for their great contribution to the freedom movements or the sports, art, culture, cusine of this country. > > > > so the ticket sales have to be in place to suit our politicians none of the minorities have asked for it, but the rulers want to exploit them sadly than help them. so we must blame only or politicians no one else. they also sit on temple boards and enjot special priveleges over others. > > > > prashant > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag@ > > > > > Sunday, August 9, 2009 9:23:30 PM > > Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu > > > > Dear sankaranarayanan k.s > > Namasthe, > > > > Thanks for providing this valuable information. Many of the traditional importance regarding our temples and places of worship has been sidelined or lost and given way to publicity and money mongers. > > > > what is appaling in Tamilnadu and not seen elsewhere in India is even to step inside the most of these temples to have a quite prayer, you have to take a ticket ranging from Rs2/- to Rs5/-. Amount is not important but the very thought that a devotee has to buy a ticket to have even a distant darshan inside a temple (closer darshan will cost far more) is totaly against traditional values and concept of Hindu religion and is total repulsive. I have travelled a lot in Tamilnadu and visited most of these temple. What I have written is my own experience. > > > > Any way thanks a lot. > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > , " sankaranarayanan k.s " <shankypriyan@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > you have missed the attachment > > >  > > > detailsbelow > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Start from Chidambaram > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >  > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > >  > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Mangal > > > > > > Vaitheswaran Temple > > > > > > 25 KM > > > > > > > > > Budha > > > > > > Thiruvenkadu > > > > > > 10 Km from Vaitheswaran Temple towards Nagapatnam > > > > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > Keezh Perumballam > > > > > > Another 6 Kms > > > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > Sorriyanar Koil > > > > > > 30 Kms from Vaitheeswaran koil - on the way to Kumabakonam > > > > > > > > > Sukra > > > > > > Kanjanur > > > > > > 3 km from sooryanar koil > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Reach Kumabakonam - another 12 kms > > > > > > > > > Raghu > > > > > > Tirunageswaram > > > > > > 6 kms from Kumbakonam > > > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > Thingalur > > > > > > 30 Kms from Kumbakonam on the way to Thiruvaiyaru > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > Thirunallaru > > > > > > 45 kms from kumbakonam on the way to Karaikal > > > > > > > > > Guru > > > > > > Alangudi > > > > > > 20 kms from Kumbakonam - Dakshinamoorthy > > > > > > > > > Guru > > > > > > Thittai > > > > > > 40 Kms from Kumbakonam on the way to Tanjore.Brahaspathi > > >  > > > Navagraha Khestras > > >  > > > From Chennai you can first reach Chidambaram ( Famous Natraj temple) and start covering the places. If you start from Trichy, then start from Tanjore on the reverse order. > > >  > > > > > > Vaitheswaran Temple: Glorified by the 6th Century Thevaram, the Tamil name of the temple is Pulirukkuveluer. Ie Pul + Irukku + Vel + ur. Ur is village. Pul is bird, here Jadayu, Irukku is Rig Veda, Vel is lord Muruga. This temple is worshipped by Jadayu, Rig Veda and Lord Muruga. > > >  > > > Legend is when the world was suffering with health problem, Shiva and Parvathy came as a doctor couples. Hence the name Vaidhyanatha to the lord and the town is now called in lord’s name. The theertha is called Sidhamirtha theertha and bathing in the tank and worshipping god and goddess cures one from all health problems. Lord Mangal had his curse cured here and has a separate shrine in the outer prahara. Sthala vriksha is neem. > > >  > > > > > > Thiruvenkadu: Thiru is Sri, Ven is white and kadu is forest. Swetharanyam in Sanskrit. Glorified in Thevaram and Valmiki Ramayana. When Ram, Lakshman and Seetha were bathing in Godavari and coming out in aranya kanda, valmiki says it looked like Lord Shiva and Parvathi walking with Nandhi leading the way in Swetharanya Kshetra. > > >  > > > Here there are three theerthas and bathing in all three theerthas is important. There is a Vadaranya and shradh can be performed like the brahmakapala. Lord is in 3 forms here Shiva, Nataraja and Agoraveerabhadra. Hence 3 tanks and 3 sthala vriksha. > > >  > > > Budha got his nabumsak curse cured and has a separate shrine in the outer prahara. > > >  > > > > > >  Kil perumballam. This shiva temple has a separate Ketu shrine and ketu had his curse cured here. This temple is not glorified in thevara. Infact the Thirukketheswaram in Srilanka is glorified in thevaram as the temple worshipped by Ketu. If possible Thirukketheswaram should be worshipped .The Kilperumpallam temple though not glorified in thevaram is definitely of before 6th century origin. > > > Sun: Sooriyanar Koil: Sooriyan is Sun in Tamil. This is actually 2 temples. The Shiva temple is called Thirumanagalakudi glorified in thevaram ( it is just opposite to the Sun temple) and the Navagraha temple opposite to the Shiva temple. > > >  > > > Kalava Maharishi had Kushtarog and did a severe penance to Navagrahas.. Navagrahas appeared before him and cured his Kushtarog. Since Navagraha’s duty is to give as per once karma and they donot have any right to cure anybody, they were cursed to have kushtarog. > > >  > > > The Navagrahas did severe penance to Pranavaradeswara at Thirumanagalkudi and lord cured their kushtarog. They were told to bless the people who worship him. The Navagrahas have a separate temple with Sun having the central shrine with his consorts, Bruhaspathi facing him and all the other seven surrounding him. > > >  > > > Sthala vriksha is Urga ( Erukku) and on Sundays eating curd rice in Urga leaf is supposed to cure disease. > > >  > > >  > > > > > > Kanjanur: Here there is no separate Sukra shrine. Lord Vishnu during Vamanavatar, pierced the eyes of Sukra when he blocked Mahabali from giving the land to lord Vishnu. Vishnu worshipped lord Shiva ( Agneswara) for this Sukra dosha and hence this is a Sukra sthala. Glorified in Thevaram. > > >  > > > > > > Raghu: Thirunageswaram as the name suggest worshipped by the serpent Raghu. Glorified in Thevaram lord Naganatha swamy is the presiding deity. There two shrines for Parvathy. Pirainudal kanni on whom the moons rays fall on Karthik Poornima and Girigujambiga who is having Lakshmi and Saraswathi on her both sides. > > >  > > > Raghu with his two consorts has a separate shrine in the outer prahara. Special poojas performed daily on Rahukalams with milk. The milk turns blue during and after abishekam. > > >  > > > > > > Saturn:  Thirunallaru glorified in Thevaram. Thiru + Nal + Aru. Thiru is Sri, Nal is Nala and aru here is not river. It is cured. ( Arudal) Place where Nala was cured. When Nala had bath in the theertha ( called Nala theertha now) and entered the temple Saturn could not follow him and stayed out and thus Nala was cured by lord Sani. Lord Darbaranyeswara ( Sthala vriksha is Darba grass) and goddess Bogamartha Poon Mulaiyal . Saturn has a shrine at the entrance. > > >  > > > Taking an oil bath in Nala theertha and worshipping Lord Dharbaranyeswara and Saturn is advised for Sani dosha. On Saturdays there will be long queue and will take minimum 6 to 7 hours for darshan. > > >  > > > > > > Moon: Thingalur, Thingal is moon in Tamil. The Thevaram of this temple is missing but there is a thevaram sung in this temple to cure a devotee’s snake bite by saint Appar is available. As the name indicates Chandra worshipped Lord and has a separate shrine. > > >  > > > > > > Guru: Lord Guru has two temples both glorified by Thevaram. In Alangudi Apatsahyeswara temple, the Dakshinamoorthy is worshipped as Guru and in Thittai Vasishteswara temple Brahaspathi worshipped Shiva and has a separate shirine near lord himself. > > >  > > >  > > > When visiting these temples also Visit: > > >  > > > > > > Chidambaram Natraja Temple > > > Thiruvidaimarudhur Mahalingaswamy ( madyarjuna) > > > Pattesswaram Durga > > > Thirumananjeri ( Marriage Kshetra) > > > Thirukkarukavur ( Garbarakshambiga for safe child birth) > > > Meda Dakshinamoorthy in Mayuram > > > Big temple in Tanjore and Gangai Konda Cholapuram > > >  > > > If possible to Srirangam and Thiruvanaikovil in Trichy. > > >  > > > Please Note: > > >  > > > > > > The Lord is present in these Shrines for us and giving an easy remedy for lesser mortals like us. Since we could not do severe penance, he is present in these temples and by just having a darshan, we will be relieved. Our Rishis pradishta power, The Tamil saint’s thevara song power and lord’s grace has helped to sustain this. You will really feel the lord in all these kshetras and the radiance . > > >  > > > Many are visiting as a one day picnic and focus on grahas only without even worshipping lord shiva. Since the grahas are in the outer prahara and when the temple is closed in the noon as per Agama sastras, people just visit the outer prahara and leave for next. > > >  > > > Please note that it is important to worship Shiva and Paravathy in the temple first. Bathe in the Tanks. Have Upavas and if not possible have milk and fruits and take Prasad for eating. > > >  > > > Take 3 days off and visit strictly as per sastras. > > >  > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 8/8/09, sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ ...> > > > Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu > > > > > > Saturday, August 8, 2009, 1:01 PM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > I am sending you a small article on the Navagraha Khsetras of Tamilnadu. Our Great Sages experainced lord all over Bharatavarsha and requested him to be present there. Their penance, Their Yantra and Prana pradishta are felt even today. > > > > > > Hence these kshetras had continuous pujas for centuries. Also are glorified by the Tamil saints in Thevaram. ( Thevaram is on Lord Siva and Divyaprabandam is on Vishnu.) > > > > > > You need to visit atleast once in your life time. Extreme case you can outsource the Pujas. The dewasthanams of these temples are well maintained and sincerely perform pujas and you can approach them directly for the conduct of any Pujas. > > > > > > Please mail me if you want to know anything further on these temple. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Sankar > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Dear Arjun ji, //in south, while most brahmins are highly educated and have gone to the usa or in high jobs wihtin india, few stuck to their pofession and you have more supply than demand which is why the charges are cheap for brahmin rituals in the south.// Your observation regarding economics of supply & demand is baseless. It is not this factor that makes poojas much cheaper in some southern states. But Convictions are. To understand this I shall narrate a small Incident. A few years back I conduct various poojas at my home. 4 Kerala brahmins did the rituals staying at my home for 3 days. Being traditional in nature frankly I did not expect much of them to have knowledge of modern world. But to my utter surprise one person who used to do cooking and preparing naivedya was actually an exporter. Another person was a college proffessor and a successfull share trader. Just as a common feature some have started the new ways of making easy money (fleecing the distressed). But most follow traditional ways though they may have other proffessions as well. //for those who are not aware and are pinched by my observation of temples in south charging monies for mere darshan, let me also state another truth that most (if not all) south indian temples do not allow the pilgrims to touch the diety. even the richest person can only have a closest darshan but do not touch the diety. come to other parts of india epecially north, all humans, old people or children, men or women, rich or poor, high caste or low caste ALL CAN TOUCH THE DIETY. the reason cited in south is that only pure brahmin poojaris who man the sanctum sanctorum can touch the idol and not all. reason for another discrimination in keeping god away from he believers, yes.// As for your above statement, I am really surprised that you have made this remark. As a pundit you should be aware that there many customes followed regarding poojas, particularly in public & private temples. Poojas etc are done as prescribed by Agama or Tantra in Kerala or anywhere else. In kerala most of the temples follow Tantra while some follow Agama. Even here the rituals or customes followed, could be different. However, disallowing any one to " touch the deity " has nothing to do with discrimination. For example: In our own community(Brahmin) temple no one is allowed inside the inner prakara without taking a bath and being Sudha (I am not sure you shall understand the implication of what " Sudha " means in THIS CONTEXT). More over who ever is allowed should have a special purpose. Even we (brahmins) do not go inside every day. Pants & shirts etc are strictly prohibited from 2nd prakara onwards. But this is not followed in our own temples in karnataka. But no one is allowed inside Garbha griha. So you can see that some of the customes all take social and other factors prevailing at each places to safeguard traditional values & customes. pls try to understand different sankaras before making such statements. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 dear friend citing your one personal experience in one state will not make my observation baseless and i stick to my observation and lakhs of brahmins who gather daily in the morning at pickuppoints (like construction labour) and more than half of them return home without any work in andhra are experiencing this and the archakas get monthly salaries which are much lower than the minimum labour wage for an unskilled person. if all krishna temples, rama temples, shiva temples and other dieties across north are being touched in north by all caste people, let these places remain unholy according to you but they are still the holiest be it matura for krishna, ayodhya for rama and kashi for shiva. as regards persons in few southern states following half naked entrance for men due to hot humid conditions, poojaris in north wear full clothes and some even woollen clothes in north due to climate reasons. you are at liberty to support what you practice and i am at liberty to preach and practice the philosophy of adisankara (from kerala) in letter and spirit who did not find difference between shiva and a chandala. people performing rituals used to wear wet clothes for protective reasons whereas it has become a custom. women were given rest during periods and some orthodox brahmins in south even today make them cosngin to a corner as untouchables even for their own family members for that period. am not interested in further discussing this thread as you are not open to see all as equals, be it a chandala or adisankara. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > > Dear Arjun ji, > > //in south, while most brahmins are highly educated and have gone to the usa or in high jobs wihtin india, few stuck to their pofession and you have more supply than demand which is why the charges are cheap for brahmin rituals in the south.// > > Your observation regarding economics of supply & demand is baseless. It is not this factor that makes poojas much cheaper in some southern states. But Convictions are. To understand this I shall narrate a small Incident. > > A few years back I conduct various poojas at my home. 4 Kerala brahmins did the rituals staying at my home for 3 days. Being traditional in nature frankly I did not expect much of them to have knowledge of modern world. But to my utter surprise one person who used to do cooking and preparing naivedya was actually an exporter. Another person was a college proffessor and a successfull share trader. > > Just as a common feature some have started the new ways of making easy money (fleecing the distressed). But most follow traditional ways though they may have other proffessions as well. > > //for those who are not aware and are pinched by my observation of temples in south charging monies for mere darshan, let me also state another truth that most (if not all) south indian temples do not allow the pilgrims to touch the diety. even the richest person can only have a closest darshan but do not touch the diety. come to other parts of india epecially north, all humans, old people or children, men or women, rich or poor, high caste or low caste ALL CAN TOUCH THE DIETY. the reason cited in south is that only pure brahmin poojaris who man the sanctum sanctorum can touch the idol and not all. reason for another discrimination in keeping god away from he believers, yes.// > > As for your above statement, I am really surprised that you have made this remark. > > As a pundit you should be aware that there many customes followed regarding poojas, particularly in public & private temples. > > Poojas etc are done as prescribed by Agama or Tantra in Kerala or anywhere else. In kerala most of the temples follow Tantra while some follow Agama. Even here the rituals or customes followed, could be different. > > However, disallowing any one to " touch the deity " has nothing to do with discrimination. > > For example: In our own community(Brahmin) temple no one is allowed inside the inner prakara without taking a bath and being Sudha (I am not sure you shall understand the implication of what " Sudha " means in THIS CONTEXT). More over who ever is allowed should have a special purpose. Even we (brahmins) do not go inside every day. Pants & shirts etc are strictly prohibited from 2nd prakara onwards. But this is not followed in our own temples in karnataka. But no one is allowed inside Garbha griha. So you can see that some of the customes all take social and other factors prevailing at each places to safeguard traditional values & customes. > > pls try to understand different sankaras before making such statements. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Dear Arjun ji, Yes, there is no point in discussing this matter futher with a person who does not know various customes and acharas nor does respect them . While you are are welcome to hold your view - But rediculing what others do - well, that tells a lot about such persons who ever they are. Give respect & Get respect is what My late father taught me. You will notice in the whole discussion, I never did redicule the customs in North India or for that matter at any place. The only issue comes when a person of a particular race / customes tries to adopt the customes of another. " Paradharma bhayavaha " The core of Hinduism is such that each person can attain knowledge of whatever kind on his own if he chooses it. As far as brahmins doing cooly job, I don't think that was the main point of discussion and having some knowledge of astrology, and present economic condition, you should be able to know why of it?. 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A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. ________________________________ panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 Tuesday, August 11, 2009 4:02:32 PM Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu dear friend citing your one personal experience in one state will not make my observation baseless and i stick to my observation and lakhs of brahmins who gather daily in the morning at pickuppoints (like construction labour) and more than half of them return home without any work in andhra are experiencing this and the archakas get monthly salaries which are much lower than the minimum labour wage for an unskilled person. if all krishna temples, rama temples, shiva temples and other dieties across north are being touched in north by all caste people, let these places remain unholy according to you but they are still the holiest be it matura for krishna, ayodhya for rama and kashi for shiva. as regards persons in few southern states following half naked entrance for men due to hot humid conditions, poojaris in north wear full clothes and some even woollen clothes in north due to climate reasons. you are at liberty to support what you practice and i am at liberty to preach and practice the philosophy of adisankara (from kerala) in letter and spirit who did not find difference between shiva and a chandala. people performing rituals used to wear wet clothes for protective reasons whereas it has become a custom. women were given rest during periods and some orthodox brahmins in south even today make them cosngin to a corner as untouchables even for their own family members for that period. am not interested in further discussing this thread as you are not open to see all as equals, be it a chandala or adisankara. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > Dear Arjun ji, > > //in south, while most brahmins are highly educated and have gone to the usa or in high jobs wihtin india, few stuck to their pofession and you have more supply than demand which is why the charges are cheap for brahmin rituals in the south.// > > Your observation regarding economics of supply & demand is baseless. It is not this factor that makes poojas much cheaper in some southern states. But Convictions are. To understand this I shall narrate a small Incident. > > A few years back I conduct various poojas at my home. 4 Kerala brahmins did the rituals staying at my home for 3 days. Being traditional in nature frankly I did not expect much of them to have knowledge of modern world. But to my utter surprise one person who used to do cooking and preparing naivedya was actually an exporter. Another person was a college proffessor and a successfull share trader. > > Just as a common feature some have started the new ways of making easy money (fleecing the distressed). But most follow traditional ways though they may have other proffessions as well. > > //for those who are not aware and are pinched by my observation of temples in south charging monies for mere darshan, let me also state another truth that most (if not all) south indian temples do not allow the pilgrims to touch the diety. even the richest person can only have a closest darshan but do not touch the diety. come to other parts of india epecially north, all humans, old people or children, men or women, rich or poor, high caste or low caste ALL CAN TOUCH THE DIETY. the reason cited in south is that only pure brahmin poojaris who man the sanctum sanctorum can touch the idol and not all. reason for another discrimination in keeping god away from he believers, yes.// > > As for your above statement, I am really surprised that you have made this remark. > > As a pundit you should be aware that there many customes followed regarding poojas, particularly in public & private temples. > > Poojas etc are done as prescribed by Agama or Tantra in Kerala or anywhere else. In kerala most of the temples follow Tantra while some follow Agama. Even here the rituals or customes followed, could be different. > > However, disallowing any one to " touch the deity " has nothing to do with discrimination. > > For example: In our own community(Brahmin) temple no one is allowed inside the inner prakara without taking a bath and being Sudha (I am not sure you shall understand the implication of what " Sudha " means in THIS CONTEXT). More over who ever is allowed should have a special purpose. Even we (brahmins) do not go inside every day. Pants & shirts etc are strictly prohibited from 2nd prakara onwards. But this is not followed in our own temples in karnataka. But no one is allowed inside Garbha griha. So you can see that some of the customes all take social and other factors prevailing at each places to safeguard traditional values & customes. > > pls try to understand different sankaras before making such statements. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 Dear all Please donot descriminate between North and South. Asper Sastras the North of Vindyas, the vedic rituals are used for temples and South of Vindyas agamic rituals are used. In Agamic rituals For example in North a shiva temple, the abhishek is continuously done and even a dhara vessel is kept above the shivling. The pujas at the prescribed time is done by the pandits. Rest all can do the pujas. In agamic tradition, the pujas are done 4 to 6 timea according to the agamss. Here litreally all the shodasa ubachar are done like a. Abhishek b. Chandan c. Vastra d. Abharan e. naivedya etc Since the God is adorned with Jwells, all are not allowed very near. Secondly, the agamic construction of garbagrah is so small and even when the pandit has a very less space to stand. The third that only btrahmins Pure etc is also totally unwarranted. Even all Brahmins, however he is a great scholar is not allowed. Even the Kanchi and Sringeri Sankaracharyas are allowed inside only the Rameshwaram temple and the Kanchi acharya has an addition Akilandeswari temple in trichy where his entry is allowed. The Adhisaiva brahmins, whom we call as gurukkals are only a;llowed in Shiva temples and Vaishnavite bhattacharya is allowed inside the vishnu temple. Not all brahmins can enetr the sanctum. Even any vedic brahmin like me, even if i know all the our vedas is strictly not allowed and it is even considered a sin, if i touch the idol. Please do not comment just like that. Understand the traditions before commenting on anything. More damage is done to Hinduism by hindus than any others. Regards Sankar --- On Tue, 8/11/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 Re: Navagraha Kshetras of Tamilnadu Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 4:02 PM dear friend citing your one personal experience in one state will not make my observation baseless and i stick to my observation and lakhs of brahmins who gather daily in the morning at pickuppoints (like construction labour) and more than half of them return home without any work in andhra are experiencing this and the archakas get monthly salaries which are much lower than the minimum labour wage for an unskilled person. if all krishna temples, rama temples, shiva temples and other dieties across north are being touched in north by all caste people, let these places remain unholy according to you but they are still the holiest be it matura for krishna, ayodhya for rama and kashi for shiva. as regards persons in few southern states following half naked entrance for men due to hot humid conditions, poojaris in north wear full clothes and some even woollen clothes in north due to climate reasons. you are at liberty to support what you practice and i am at liberty to preach and practice the philosophy of adisankara (from kerala) in letter and spirit who did not find difference between shiva and a chandala. people performing rituals used to wear wet clothes for protective reasons whereas it has become a custom. women were given rest during periods and some orthodox brahmins in south even today make them cosngin to a corner as untouchables even for their own family members for that period. am not interested in further discussing this thread as you are not open to see all as equals, be it a chandala or adisankara. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > Dear Arjun ji, > > //in south, while most brahmins are highly educated and have gone to the usa or in high jobs wihtin india, few stuck to their pofession and you have more supply than demand which is why the charges are cheap for brahmin rituals in the south.// > > Your observation regarding economics of supply & demand is baseless. It is not this factor that makes poojas much cheaper in some southern states. But Convictions are. To understand this I shall narrate a small Incident. > > A few years back I conduct various poojas at my home. 4 Kerala brahmins did the rituals staying at my home for 3 days. Being traditional in nature frankly I did not expect much of them to have knowledge of modern world. But to my utter surprise one person who used to do cooking and preparing naivedya was actually an exporter. Another person was a college proffessor and a successfull share trader. > > Just as a common feature some have started the new ways of making easy money (fleecing the distressed). But most follow traditional ways though they may have other proffessions as well. > > //for those who are not aware and are pinched by my observation of temples in south charging monies for mere darshan, let me also state another truth that most (if not all) south indian temples do not allow the pilgrims to touch the diety. even the richest person can only have a closest darshan but do not touch the diety. come to other parts of india epecially north, all humans, old people or children, men or women, rich or poor, high caste or low caste ALL CAN TOUCH THE DIETY. the reason cited in south is that only pure brahmin poojaris who man the sanctum sanctorum can touch the idol and not all. reason for another discrimination in keeping god away from he believers, yes.// > > As for your above statement, I am really surprised that you have made this remark. > > As a pundit you should be aware that there many customes followed regarding poojas, particularly in public & private temples. > > Poojas etc are done as prescribed by Agama or Tantra in Kerala or anywhere else. In kerala most of the temples follow Tantra while some follow Agama. Even here the rituals or customes followed, could be different. > > However, disallowing any one to " touch the deity " has nothing to do with discrimination. > > For example: In our own community(Brahmin) temple no one is allowed inside the inner prakara without taking a bath and being Sudha (I am not sure you shall understand the implication of what " Sudha " means in THIS CONTEXT). More over who ever is allowed should have a special purpose. Even we (brahmins) do not go inside every day. Pants & shirts etc are strictly prohibited from 2nd prakara onwards. But this is not followed in our own temples in karnataka. But no one is allowed inside Garbha griha. So you can see that some of the customes all take social and other factors prevailing at each places to safeguard traditional values & customes. > > pls try to understand different sankaras before making such statements. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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