Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Namsate to All, I have a very basic question regarding astrology and horoscopes. Let us take a hypothetical case of a woman having a severe mangalik dosha, such that the person who will marry her will be severely afflicted. Now does this afflition happens after marraige rituals (can be vedic ritual, or rituals of other religions or simply marriage registration). If no, then does this afflication happen only after having sex? If the above woman has sexual relations with a man without marrying him, will that man be afflicted? Please note that none of the above cases apply to me. I just want to know the importance of sexual act regarding planetary afflictions. This is purely out of curiosity and desire to understand different aspects of astrology. Thanks Regards - Vishal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Dear Vishal, For a minute forget about astrology. Just suppose, you have friend who meet every day, play together etc and one day he is caught with banned drugs and you happed to be with him and you never new about his other side. where will that put you. can you imagine what might happen to you. There is an old saying " A man is known by the company he keeps " It is also the reason why Indians traditionaly greets every one with folded hands and a respectfull " Namasthe " . Not to get mixed with different / inimical energy levels of each other. At the same time a touch at the feet of a true Acharya is considered divine- pure energy. Attachments are cause of all the pain, life & birth cycle whether is love, lust or hate - it is all same and decides the karmic effect. Any of the above will be present in the act you had mentioned. I just wonder why your mind has singled out this aspect of relationship while so many other examples are out there. Ask yourself this question first. Curiosity is good, but.............? Need I say more. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy , " vishal_deshpande_4 " <vishal_deshpande_4 wrote: > > Namsate to All, > > I have a very basic question regarding astrology and horoscopes. > > Let us take a hypothetical case of a woman having a severe mangalik dosha, such that the person who will marry her will be severely afflicted. > > Now does this afflition happens after marraige rituals (can be vedic ritual, or rituals of other religions or simply marriage registration). > If no, then does this afflication happen only after having sex? > > If the above woman has sexual relations with a man without marrying him, will that man be afflicted? > > Please note that none of the above cases apply to me. > I just want to know the importance of sexual act regarding planetary afflictions. This is purely out of curiosity and desire to understand different aspects of astrology. > > Thanks > > Regards > - Vishal > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 Dear Vishal, Jyotishya is not meant for any material gratification it is more to help nurture, nurse, guide people in distress, despair, also help them plan even asuspicious events so that it continues in a healthy manner watch for the weak, bad times, deal withtem appropriately than get overwhelmed in happiness or grief. so sex is part of material gratification it has a healthy role in propogating healthy progeny, personal lives a bit. once they have children most of the energy is spent on shaping the course of them, pujas, vrathas, festivals etc kept the sexual life at its minimum levels and till films showed ppl u can care 2 hoots to them most did obseve them well, less stress, less avariciousness, or usurping some elses spouse, pervesions was also limited be it open or closed ones now it is all pervasive. why i emant it is limited is more u have it when u age it has to subside but ppl crave for it more, instead of finding the other paths of life be ti social obligations, family etc. now ppl r exploring it beyong the marriage, trans marriages or extra marital pleasures etc. COMING TO UR QUESTION mangalik does show the perversion of such ppl provided there r other factors to push it further, dasas , gochara support it when both have it it is limited between them one having it other not having it will result in othr seeking outise pleasure. or also being overshadowed by the spouse a subservant to the one who has it. neglecting professional, personal, family obligations. it is not within my scope to answer sex outside marriage, it is sin so no discussion on it human beings evolved with time and fond good ways to regulate life, society from animal days if we have to go back to animal days, ways it is sad, prashant ________________________________ vishal_deshpande_4 <vishal_deshpande_4 Thursday, August 20, 2009 2:53:17 PM Affect of one'es horoscope on other Namsate to All, I have a very basic question regarding astrology and horoscopes. Let us take a hypothetical case of a woman having a severe mangalik dosha, such that the person who will marry her will be severely afflicted. Now does this afflition happens after marraige rituals (can be vedic ritual, or rituals of other religions or simply marriage registration) . If no, then does this afflication happen only after having sex? If the above woman has sexual relations with a man without marrying him, will that man be afflicted? Please note that none of the above cases apply to me. I just want to know the importance of sexual act regarding planetary afflictions. This is purely out of curiosity and desire to understand different aspects of astrology. Thanks Regards - Vishal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 Dear Sirs, thanks for the responses. I guess I was wrongly interpreted. Or maybe I had phrased my question wrongly and grossly. I am absolutely not interested in these immoral activities like extra-marital relations etc. I whole-heartedly agree with your views. My question was purely to understand the trigger points of planetary afflictions. Suppose a person's chart has Saturn in 3rd house, in this case his brothers and sisters will be affceted. Now this is fair enough as they have a blood relation and planetary position of that person's chart can possibly affcet his brothers and sister for good or bad. Similar is the case of planetary afflication ones's chart to his parents, childern, motehrs' brother/sisters, father's brothers/sisters. Now how does all these fit in for a spouse. husband and wife have no blood relation. they are perfect strangers before marriage. Now exactly from what point of time does the managalik wife's chart start afflicting the husband? Does it start afflicting just by performing marriage rituals? What if they legally divorce each other? Does it keep afflicting ? This is exactly where 'sex' comes in. Is it the bridge that links the charts of husband and wife? I know the discussion on this topic is a taboo and there are high chances of one being wrongly interpreted. I would ask the moderator to delete my message if its too obscene or out of scope of this group. Or just ignore it, I would have no qualms. Thanks once again for considering my question worth of response. Regards - Vishal , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Dear Vishal, > > For a minute forget about astrology. Just suppose, you have friend who meet every day, play together etc and one day he is caught with banned drugs and you happed to be with him and you never new about his other side. > > where will that put you. can you imagine what might happen to you. > > There is an old saying > > " A man is known by the company he keeps " > > It is also the reason why Indians traditionaly greets every one with folded hands and a respectfull " Namasthe " . Not to get mixed with different / inimical energy levels of each other. At the same time a touch at the feet of a true Acharya is considered divine- pure energy. > > Attachments are cause of all the pain, life & birth cycle whether is love, lust or hate - it is all same and decides the karmic effect. > > Any of the above will be present in the act you had mentioned. I just wonder why your mind has singled out this aspect of relationship while so many other examples are out there. Ask yourself this question first. Curiosity is good, but.............? > > Need I say more. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > , " vishal_deshpande_4 " <vishal_deshpande_4@> wrote: > > > > Namsate to All, > > > > I have a very basic question regarding astrology and horoscopes. > > > > Let us take a hypothetical case of a woman having a severe mangalik dosha, such that the person who will marry her will be severely afflicted. > > > > Now does this afflition happens after marraige rituals (can be vedic ritual, or rituals of other religions or simply marriage registration). > > If no, then does this afflication happen only after having sex? > > > > If the above woman has sexual relations with a man without marrying him, will that man be afflicted? > > > > Please note that none of the above cases apply to me. > > I just want to know the importance of sexual act regarding planetary afflictions. This is purely out of curiosity and desire to understand different aspects of astrology. > > > > Thanks > > > > Regards > > - Vishal > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 Dear Vishal deshpande, > I guess I was wrongly interpreted. Did I ? > Or maybe I had phrased my question wrongly and grossly. Should have. I whole-heartedly agree with your views. It doesn't matter whether you agree with my views or not. Does it? But did you understand it well? I think not. Had it been so, you would have asked a different question. > > Attachments are cause of all the pain, life & birth cycle whether is love, lust or hate - it is all same and decides the karmic effect. Love - Lust - Hate - Karma ? think about this again & again and refrace your question in your mind. You wrote about brothers & parents. fine what about your friends indicated by 4th house - Mitra sthana what about those who help you indicated by 3rd house (Sahaya sthana) what about your servants indicated by 6th house (Bhrithya), saturn and so on. what is your relationship with them? Without relationship rishis would not have asked us to look as above. Do you know among atleast brahmins, during the pitra karma, One Pinda each is offered by Atma suhrith (Close friend), servant, King, Guru, etc altogether about 54 no's. why should they do that without relatioship?. If seriously want to sit & think why should you be born in the family & your own parents, why not a different parent. why where you not born as the son of dhirubhai ambani? why did you had the brother or sister you might be having now? why not a different type?. Does those relatioship arise out sex alone? why should you be sad, if your friend (Not a blood relation) had an accident?. A relatioship is a bond between two people. The bond between a male & female though strangers need not be sex alone. What is the logic in that? two persons can live together married and need not have sex the whole life. Just look around you and you may find many couples like that. Marriage ceremony is vow to live together, to go through good & bad times, taken before the sacred fire or as the customes decree. A brahmanical marriage - " Vedic Marriage " involves another ritual. The Bride is detached from her gotra & joined with the gotra of the groom. does the bond thus created could be snapped by any court of law?. Somewhere on the internet, I saw an article saying the DNA alters with the marriage rituals as held by Hindus. May be true or not. Perhaps we may want americans to tell us that. Hope that atleast by now you understood what question you should have asked. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy , " vishal_deshpande_4 " <vishal_deshpande_4 wrote: > > Dear Sirs, > > thanks for the responses. > > I guess I was wrongly interpreted. > Or maybe I had phrased my question wrongly and grossly. > > I am absolutely not interested in these immoral activities like extra-marital relations etc. I whole-heartedly agree with your views. > > My question was purely to understand the trigger points of planetary afflictions. > > Suppose a person's chart has Saturn in 3rd house, in this case his brothers and sisters will be affceted. > Now this is fair enough as they have a blood relation and planetary position of that person's chart can possibly affcet his brothers and sister for good or bad. > > Similar is the case of planetary afflication ones's chart to his parents, childern, motehrs' brother/sisters, father's brothers/sisters. > > Now how does all these fit in for a spouse. husband and wife have no blood relation. they are perfect strangers before marriage. Now exactly from what point of time does the managalik wife's chart start afflicting the husband? > Does it start afflicting just by performing marriage rituals? > What if they legally divorce each other? Does it keep afflicting ? > > This is exactly where 'sex' comes in. > Is it the bridge that links the charts of husband and wife? > > I know the discussion on this topic is a taboo and there are high chances of one being wrongly interpreted. > > I would ask the moderator to delete my message if its too obscene or out of scope of this group. Or just ignore it, I would have no qualms. > > Thanks once again for considering my question worth of response. > > Regards > - Vishal > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@> wrote: > > > > Dear Vishal, > > > > For a minute forget about astrology. Just suppose, you have friend who meet every day, play together etc and one day he is caught with banned drugs and you happed to be with him and you never new about his other side. > > > > where will that put you. can you imagine what might happen to you. > > > > There is an old saying > > > > " A man is known by the company he keeps " > > > > It is also the reason why Indians traditionaly greets every one with folded hands and a respectfull " Namasthe " . Not to get mixed with different / inimical energy levels of each other. At the same time a touch at the feet of a true Acharya is considered divine- pure energy. > > > > Attachments are cause of all the pain, life & birth cycle whether is love, lust or hate - it is all same and decides the karmic effect. > > > > Any of the above will be present in the act you had mentioned. I just wonder why your mind has singled out this aspect of relationship while so many other examples are out there. Ask yourself this question first. Curiosity is good, but.............? > > > > Need I say more. > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > , " vishal_deshpande_4 " <vishal_deshpande_4@> wrote: > > > > > > Namsate to All, > > > > > > I have a very basic question regarding astrology and horoscopes. > > > > > > Let us take a hypothetical case of a woman having a severe mangalik dosha, such that the person who will marry her will be severely afflicted. > > > > > > Now does this afflition happens after marraige rituals (can be vedic ritual, or rituals of other religions or simply marriage registration). > > > If no, then does this afflication happen only after having sex? > > > > > > If the above woman has sexual relations with a man without marrying him, will that man be afflicted? > > > > > > Please note that none of the above cases apply to me. > > > I just want to know the importance of sexual act regarding planetary afflictions. This is purely out of curiosity and desire to understand different aspects of astrology. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Regards > > > - Vishal > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 Thanks Sir. Much of my confusion has been cleared. Yes 'relationship' is much more than just physcial intimacy. You have mentioned about 4th and 6th house of close friends and servants. That was nice. I got to learn something new. Actually i was thinking about the specific doshas of severe 'Mangalik' and 'Visha-Kanya' where it is predicted that husband dies after marriage. So wanted to know if his death depends on his physcial intimacy with such a woman or does it depend on just feeling of love (which is a karma) or marriage ritual ? To understand all these I guess I am still a beginer. i need to study more deeply. I am somehow unable to express my question in words. But thanks for all your efforts. Regards - Vishal , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Dear Vishal deshpande, > > > I guess I was wrongly interpreted. > > Did I ? > > > Or maybe I had phrased my question wrongly and grossly. > > Should have. > > I whole-heartedly agree with your views. > > It doesn't matter whether you agree with my views or not. Does it? > > But did you understand it well? I think not. Had it been so, you would have asked a different question. > > > > > Attachments are cause of all the pain, life & birth cycle whether is love, lust or hate - it is all same and decides the karmic effect. > > > Love - Lust - Hate - Karma ? think about this again & again and refrace your question in your mind. > > > > You wrote about brothers & parents. fine > > what about your friends indicated by 4th house - Mitra sthana > what about those who help you indicated by 3rd house (Sahaya sthana) > what about your servants indicated by 6th house (Bhrithya), saturn > > and so on. what is your relationship with them? Without relationship rishis would not have asked us to look as above. > > Do you know among atleast brahmins, during the pitra karma, One Pinda each is offered by Atma suhrith (Close friend), servant, King, Guru, etc altogether about 54 no's. > > why should they do that without relatioship?. > > If seriously want to sit & think > > why should you be born in the family & your own parents, why not a different parent. > > why where you not born as the son of dhirubhai ambani? > > why did you had the brother or sister you might be having now? why not a different type?. > > Does those relatioship arise out sex alone? > > why should you be sad, if your friend (Not a blood relation) had an accident?. > > A relatioship is a bond between two people. The bond between a male & female though strangers need not be sex alone. What is the logic in that? two persons can live together married and need not have sex the whole life. Just look around you and you may find many couples like that. > > Marriage ceremony is vow to live together, to go through good & bad times, taken before the sacred fire or as the customes decree. > > A brahmanical marriage - " Vedic Marriage " involves another ritual. The Bride is detached from her gotra & joined with the gotra of the groom. > > does the bond thus created could be snapped by any court of law?. > > Somewhere on the internet, I saw an article saying the DNA alters with the marriage rituals as held by Hindus. May be true or not. Perhaps we may want americans to tell us that. > > Hope that atleast by now you understood what question you should have asked. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > , " vishal_deshpande_4 " <vishal_deshpande_4@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > thanks for the responses. > > > > I guess I was wrongly interpreted. > > Or maybe I had phrased my question wrongly and grossly. > > > > I am absolutely not interested in these immoral activities like extra-marital relations etc. I whole-heartedly agree with your views. > > > > My question was purely to understand the trigger points of planetary afflictions. > > > > Suppose a person's chart has Saturn in 3rd house, in this case his brothers and sisters will be affceted. > > Now this is fair enough as they have a blood relation and planetary position of that person's chart can possibly affcet his brothers and sister for good or bad. > > > > Similar is the case of planetary afflication ones's chart to his parents, childern, motehrs' brother/sisters, father's brothers/sisters. > > > > Now how does all these fit in for a spouse. husband and wife have no blood relation. they are perfect strangers before marriage. Now exactly from what point of time does the managalik wife's chart start afflicting the husband? > > Does it start afflicting just by performing marriage rituals? > > What if they legally divorce each other? Does it keep afflicting ? > > > > This is exactly where 'sex' comes in. > > Is it the bridge that links the charts of husband and wife? > > > > I know the discussion on this topic is a taboo and there are high chances of one being wrongly interpreted. > > > > I would ask the moderator to delete my message if its too obscene or out of scope of this group. Or just ignore it, I would have no qualms. > > > > Thanks once again for considering my question worth of response. > > > > Regards > > - Vishal > > > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vishal, > > > > > > For a minute forget about astrology. Just suppose, you have friend who meet every day, play together etc and one day he is caught with banned drugs and you happed to be with him and you never new about his other side. > > > > > > where will that put you. can you imagine what might happen to you. > > > > > > There is an old saying > > > > > > " A man is known by the company he keeps " > > > > > > It is also the reason why Indians traditionaly greets every one with folded hands and a respectfull " Namasthe " . Not to get mixed with different / inimical energy levels of each other. At the same time a touch at the feet of a true Acharya is considered divine- pure energy. > > > > > > Attachments are cause of all the pain, life & birth cycle whether is love, lust or hate - it is all same and decides the karmic effect. > > > > > > Any of the above will be present in the act you had mentioned. I just wonder why your mind has singled out this aspect of relationship while so many other examples are out there. Ask yourself this question first. Curiosity is good, but.............? > > > > > > Need I say more. > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vishal_deshpande_4 " <vishal_deshpande_4@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namsate to All, > > > > > > > > I have a very basic question regarding astrology and horoscopes. > > > > > > > > Let us take a hypothetical case of a woman having a severe mangalik dosha, such that the person who will marry her will be severely afflicted. > > > > > > > > Now does this afflition happens after marraige rituals (can be vedic ritual, or rituals of other religions or simply marriage registration). > > > > If no, then does this afflication happen only after having sex? > > > > > > > > If the above woman has sexual relations with a man without marrying him, will that man be afflicted? > > > > > > > > Please note that none of the above cases apply to me. > > > > I just want to know the importance of sexual act regarding planetary afflictions. This is purely out of curiosity and desire to understand different aspects of astrology. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > - Vishal > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 you are very right I have seen many cases like this. if any manglik had sex before marriage the first one with whom he/she did, gone in deep troubles or met an accident and gone mentally too.( if he/she were nonmanglik) Jyotish Ramesh Lahri Gulab Bari, Ajmer -305008 Mob: 09414496800 ________________________________ vishal_deshpande_4 <vishal_deshpande_4 Thursday, August 20, 2009 2:53:17 PM Affect of one'es horoscope on other Namsate to All, I have a very basic question regarding astrology and horoscopes. Let us take a hypothetical case of a woman having a severe mangalik dosha, such that the person who will marry her will be severely afflicted. Now does this afflition happens after marraige rituals (can be vedic ritual, or rituals of other religions or simply marriage registration) . If no, then does this afflication happen only after having sex? If the above woman has sexual relations with a man without marrying him, will that man be afflicted? Please note that none of the above cases apply to me. I just want to know the importance of sexual act regarding planetary afflictions. This is purely out of curiosity and desire to understand different aspects of astrology. Thanks Regards - Vishal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 Dear Friends, The topic is about having sex or about manglik dosha.Even non manglik too can have sez w/o hvaing any affliction in planets. Probably v shoould desist such analytical issues from pure jyotish technicalities.other type of curioties could be resolved in personal mails and expressions vrkrishnan Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) --- On Fri, 8/21/09, Ramesh Lahri <rameshlahri wrote: Ramesh Lahri <rameshlahri Re: Affect of one'es horoscope on other Friday, August 21, 2009, 8:57 AM you are very right I have seen many cases like this. if any manglik had sex before marriage the first one with whom he/she did, gone in deep troubles or met an accident and gone mentally too.( if he/she were nonmanglik) Jyotish Ramesh Lahri Gulab Bari, Ajmer -305008 Mob: 09414496800 ____________ _________ _________ __ vishal_deshpande_ 4 <vishal_deshpande_ 4 Thursday, August 20, 2009 2:53:17 PM Affect of one'es horoscope on other Namsate to All, I have a very basic question regarding astrology and horoscopes. Let us take a hypothetical case of a woman having a severe mangalik dosha, such that the person who will marry her will be severely afflicted. Now does this afflition happens after marraige rituals (can be vedic ritual, or rituals of other religions or simply marriage registration) . If no, then does this afflication happen only after having sex? If the above woman has sexual relations with a man without marrying him, will that man be afflicted? Please note that none of the above cases apply to me. I just want to know the importance of sexual act regarding planetary afflictions. This is purely out of curiosity and desire to understand different aspects of astrology. Thanks Regards - Vishal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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