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Namsate to All,

 

I have a very basic question regarding astrology and horoscopes.

 

Let us take a hypothetical case of a woman having a severe mangalik dosha, such

that the person who will marry her will be severely afflicted.

 

Now does this afflition happens after marraige rituals (can be vedic ritual, or

rituals of other religions or simply marriage registration).

If no, then does this afflication happen only after having sex?

 

If the above woman has sexual relations with a man without marrying him, will

that man be afflicted?

 

Please note that none of the above cases apply to me.

I just want to know the importance of sexual act regarding planetary

afflictions. This is purely out of curiosity and desire to understand different

aspects of astrology.

 

Thanks

 

Regards

- Vishal

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Dear Vishal,

 

For a minute forget about astrology. Just suppose, you have friend who meet

every day, play together etc and one day he is caught with banned drugs and you

happed to be with him and you never new about his other side.

 

where will that put you. can you imagine what might happen to you.

 

There is an old saying

 

" A man is known by the company he keeps "

 

It is also the reason why Indians traditionaly greets every one with folded

hands and a respectfull " Namasthe " . Not to get mixed with different / inimical

energy levels of each other. At the same time a touch at the feet of a true

Acharya is considered divine- pure energy.

 

Attachments are cause of all the pain, life & birth cycle whether is love, lust

or hate - it is all same and decides the karmic effect.

 

Any of the above will be present in the act you had mentioned. I just wonder why

your mind has singled out this aspect of relationship while so many other

examples are out there. Ask yourself this question first. Curiosity is good,

but.............?

 

Need I say more.

 

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

, " vishal_deshpande_4 "

<vishal_deshpande_4 wrote:

>

> Namsate to All,

>

> I have a very basic question regarding astrology and horoscopes.

>

> Let us take a hypothetical case of a woman having a severe mangalik dosha,

such that the person who will marry her will be severely afflicted.

>

> Now does this afflition happens after marraige rituals (can be vedic ritual,

or rituals of other religions or simply marriage registration).

> If no, then does this afflication happen only after having sex?

>

> If the above woman has sexual relations with a man without marrying him, will

that man be afflicted?

>

> Please note that none of the above cases apply to me.

> I just want to know the importance of sexual act regarding planetary

afflictions. This is purely out of curiosity and desire to understand different

aspects of astrology.

>

> Thanks

>

> Regards

> - Vishal

>

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Dear Vishal,

 

Jyotishya is not meant for any material gratification it is more to help

nurture, nurse, guide people in distress, despair, also help them plan even

asuspicious events so that it continues in a healthy manner watch for the weak,

bad times, deal withtem appropriately than get overwhelmed in happiness or

grief.

 

so sex is part of material gratification

 

it has a healthy role in propogating healthy progeny, personal lives a bit. once

they have children most of the energy is spent on shaping the course of them,

pujas, vrathas, festivals etc kept the sexual life at its minimum levels and

till films showed ppl u can care 2 hoots to them most did obseve them well, less

stress, less avariciousness, or usurping some elses spouse, pervesions was also

limited be it open or closed ones

 

now it is all pervasive.

why i emant it is limited is more u have it when u age it has to subside but ppl

crave for it more, instead of finding the other paths of life be ti social

obligations, family etc.

 

now ppl r exploring it beyong the marriage, trans marriages or extra marital

pleasures etc.

 

COMING TO UR QUESTION

 

mangalik does show the perversion of such ppl

provided there r other factors to push it further, dasas , gochara support it

 

when both have it it is limited between them one having it other not having it

will result in othr seeking outise pleasure. or also being overshadowed by the

spouse a subservant to the one who has it. neglecting professional, personal,

family obligations.

 

it is not within my scope to answer sex outside marriage, it is sin so no

discussion on it

human beings evolved with time and fond good ways to regulate life, society from

animal days if we have to go back to animal days, ways it is sad,

 

 

prashant

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

vishal_deshpande_4 <vishal_deshpande_4

 

Thursday, August 20, 2009 2:53:17 PM

Affect of one'es horoscope on other

 

 

Namsate to All,

 

I have a very basic question regarding astrology and horoscopes.

 

Let us take a hypothetical case of a woman having a severe mangalik dosha, such

that the person who will marry her will be severely afflicted.

 

Now does this afflition happens after marraige rituals (can be vedic ritual, or

rituals of other religions or simply marriage registration) .

If no, then does this afflication happen only after having sex?

 

If the above woman has sexual relations with a man without marrying him, will

that man be afflicted?

 

Please note that none of the above cases apply to me.

I just want to know the importance of sexual act regarding planetary

afflictions. This is purely out of curiosity and desire to understand different

aspects of astrology.

 

Thanks

 

Regards

- Vishal

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Sirs,

 

thanks for the responses.

 

I guess I was wrongly interpreted.

Or maybe I had phrased my question wrongly and grossly.

 

I am absolutely not interested in these immoral activities like extra-marital

relations etc. I whole-heartedly agree with your views.

 

My question was purely to understand the trigger points of planetary

afflictions.

 

Suppose a person's chart has Saturn in 3rd house, in this case his brothers and

sisters will be affceted.

Now this is fair enough as they have a blood relation and planetary position of

that person's chart can possibly affcet his brothers and sister for good or bad.

 

Similar is the case of planetary afflication ones's chart to his parents,

childern, motehrs' brother/sisters, father's brothers/sisters.

 

Now how does all these fit in for a spouse. husband and wife have no blood

relation. they are perfect strangers before marriage. Now exactly from what

point of time does the managalik wife's chart start afflicting the husband?

Does it start afflicting just by performing marriage rituals?

What if they legally divorce each other? Does it keep afflicting ?

 

This is exactly where 'sex' comes in.

Is it the bridge that links the charts of husband and wife?

 

I know the discussion on this topic is a taboo and there are high chances of one

being wrongly interpreted.

 

I would ask the moderator to delete my message if its too obscene or out of

scope of this group. Or just ignore it, I would have no qualms.

 

Thanks once again for considering my question worth of response.

 

Regards

- Vishal

 

, " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag

wrote:

>

> Dear Vishal,

>

> For a minute forget about astrology. Just suppose, you have friend who meet

every day, play together etc and one day he is caught with banned drugs and you

happed to be with him and you never new about his other side.

>

> where will that put you. can you imagine what might happen to you.

>

> There is an old saying

>

> " A man is known by the company he keeps "

>

> It is also the reason why Indians traditionaly greets every one with folded

hands and a respectfull " Namasthe " . Not to get mixed with different / inimical

energy levels of each other. At the same time a touch at the feet of a true

Acharya is considered divine- pure energy.

>

> Attachments are cause of all the pain, life & birth cycle whether is love,

lust or hate - it is all same and decides the karmic effect.

>

> Any of the above will be present in the act you had mentioned. I just wonder

why your mind has singled out this aspect of relationship while so many other

examples are out there. Ask yourself this question first. Curiosity is good,

but.............?

>

> Need I say more.

>

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

>

>

> , " vishal_deshpande_4 "

<vishal_deshpande_4@> wrote:

> >

> > Namsate to All,

> >

> > I have a very basic question regarding astrology and horoscopes.

> >

> > Let us take a hypothetical case of a woman having a severe mangalik dosha,

such that the person who will marry her will be severely afflicted.

> >

> > Now does this afflition happens after marraige rituals (can be vedic ritual,

or rituals of other religions or simply marriage registration).

> > If no, then does this afflication happen only after having sex?

> >

> > If the above woman has sexual relations with a man without marrying him,

will that man be afflicted?

> >

> > Please note that none of the above cases apply to me.

> > I just want to know the importance of sexual act regarding planetary

afflictions. This is purely out of curiosity and desire to understand different

aspects of astrology.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Regards

> > - Vishal

> >

>

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Dear Vishal deshpande,

 

> I guess I was wrongly interpreted.

 

Did I ?

 

> Or maybe I had phrased my question wrongly and grossly.

 

Should have.

 

I whole-heartedly agree with your views.

 

It doesn't matter whether you agree with my views or not. Does it?

 

But did you understand it well? I think not. Had it been so, you would have

asked a different question.

 

 

> > Attachments are cause of all the pain, life & birth cycle whether is love,

lust or hate - it is all same and decides the karmic effect.

 

 

Love - Lust - Hate - Karma ? think about this again & again and refrace your

question in your mind.

 

 

 

You wrote about brothers & parents. fine

 

what about your friends indicated by 4th house - Mitra sthana

what about those who help you indicated by 3rd house (Sahaya sthana)

what about your servants indicated by 6th house (Bhrithya), saturn

 

and so on. what is your relationship with them? Without relationship rishis

would not have asked us to look as above.

 

Do you know among atleast brahmins, during the pitra karma, One Pinda each is

offered by Atma suhrith (Close friend), servant, King, Guru, etc altogether

about 54 no's.

 

why should they do that without relatioship?.

 

If seriously want to sit & think

 

why should you be born in the family & your own parents, why not a different

parent.

 

why where you not born as the son of dhirubhai ambani?

 

why did you had the brother or sister you might be having now? why not a

different type?.

 

Does those relatioship arise out sex alone?

 

why should you be sad, if your friend (Not a blood relation) had an accident?.

 

A relatioship is a bond between two people. The bond between a male & female

though strangers need not be sex alone. What is the logic in that? two persons

can live together married and need not have sex the whole life. Just look around

you and you may find many couples like that.

 

Marriage ceremony is vow to live together, to go through good & bad times, taken

before the sacred fire or as the customes decree.

 

A brahmanical marriage - " Vedic Marriage " involves another ritual. The Bride is

detached from her gotra & joined with the gotra of the groom.

 

does the bond thus created could be snapped by any court of law?.

 

Somewhere on the internet, I saw an article saying the DNA alters with the

marriage rituals as held by Hindus. May be true or not. Perhaps we may want

americans to tell us that.

 

Hope that atleast by now you understood what question you should have asked.

 

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " vishal_deshpande_4 "

<vishal_deshpande_4 wrote:

>

> Dear Sirs,

>

> thanks for the responses.

>

> I guess I was wrongly interpreted.

> Or maybe I had phrased my question wrongly and grossly.

>

> I am absolutely not interested in these immoral activities like extra-marital

relations etc. I whole-heartedly agree with your views.

>

> My question was purely to understand the trigger points of planetary

afflictions.

>

> Suppose a person's chart has Saturn in 3rd house, in this case his brothers

and sisters will be affceted.

> Now this is fair enough as they have a blood relation and planetary position

of that person's chart can possibly affcet his brothers and sister for good or

bad.

>

> Similar is the case of planetary afflication ones's chart to his parents,

childern, motehrs' brother/sisters, father's brothers/sisters.

>

> Now how does all these fit in for a spouse. husband and wife have no blood

relation. they are perfect strangers before marriage. Now exactly from what

point of time does the managalik wife's chart start afflicting the husband?

> Does it start afflicting just by performing marriage rituals?

> What if they legally divorce each other? Does it keep afflicting ?

>

> This is exactly where 'sex' comes in.

> Is it the bridge that links the charts of husband and wife?

>

> I know the discussion on this topic is a taboo and there are high chances of

one being wrongly interpreted.

>

> I would ask the moderator to delete my message if its too obscene or out of

scope of this group. Or just ignore it, I would have no qualms.

>

> Thanks once again for considering my question worth of response.

>

> Regards

> - Vishal

>

> , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Vishal,

> >

> > For a minute forget about astrology. Just suppose, you have friend who meet

every day, play together etc and one day he is caught with banned drugs and you

happed to be with him and you never new about his other side.

> >

> > where will that put you. can you imagine what might happen to you.

> >

> > There is an old saying

> >

> > " A man is known by the company he keeps "

> >

> > It is also the reason why Indians traditionaly greets every one with folded

hands and a respectfull " Namasthe " . Not to get mixed with different / inimical

energy levels of each other. At the same time a touch at the feet of a true

Acharya is considered divine- pure energy.

> >

> > Attachments are cause of all the pain, life & birth cycle whether is love,

lust or hate - it is all same and decides the karmic effect.

> >

> > Any of the above will be present in the act you had mentioned. I just wonder

why your mind has singled out this aspect of relationship while so many other

examples are out there. Ask yourself this question first. Curiosity is good,

but.............?

> >

> > Need I say more.

> >

> > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> >

> >

> > , " vishal_deshpande_4 "

<vishal_deshpande_4@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namsate to All,

> > >

> > > I have a very basic question regarding astrology and horoscopes.

> > >

> > > Let us take a hypothetical case of a woman having a severe mangalik dosha,

such that the person who will marry her will be severely afflicted.

> > >

> > > Now does this afflition happens after marraige rituals (can be vedic

ritual, or rituals of other religions or simply marriage registration).

> > > If no, then does this afflication happen only after having sex?

> > >

> > > If the above woman has sexual relations with a man without marrying him,

will that man be afflicted?

> > >

> > > Please note that none of the above cases apply to me.

> > > I just want to know the importance of sexual act regarding planetary

afflictions. This is purely out of curiosity and desire to understand different

aspects of astrology.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > - Vishal

> > >

> >

>

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Thanks Sir.

 

Much of my confusion has been cleared.

 

Yes 'relationship' is much more than just physcial intimacy.

You have mentioned about 4th and 6th house of close friends and servants. That

was nice. I got to learn something new.

 

Actually i was thinking about the specific doshas of severe 'Mangalik' and

'Visha-Kanya' where it is predicted that husband dies after marriage. So wanted

to know if his death depends on his physcial intimacy with such a woman or does

it depend on just feeling of love (which is a karma) or marriage ritual ?

 

To understand all these I guess I am still a beginer. i need to study more

deeply.

 

I am somehow unable to express my question in words.

 

But thanks for all your efforts.

 

Regards

- Vishal

 

 

 

, " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag

wrote:

>

> Dear Vishal deshpande,

>

> > I guess I was wrongly interpreted.

>

> Did I ?

>

> > Or maybe I had phrased my question wrongly and grossly.

>

> Should have.

>

> I whole-heartedly agree with your views.

>

> It doesn't matter whether you agree with my views or not. Does it?

>

> But did you understand it well? I think not. Had it been so, you would have

asked a different question.

>

>

> > > Attachments are cause of all the pain, life & birth cycle whether is love,

lust or hate - it is all same and decides the karmic effect.

>

>

> Love - Lust - Hate - Karma ? think about this again & again and refrace your

question in your mind.

>

>

>

> You wrote about brothers & parents. fine

>

> what about your friends indicated by 4th house - Mitra sthana

> what about those who help you indicated by 3rd house (Sahaya sthana)

> what about your servants indicated by 6th house (Bhrithya), saturn

>

> and so on. what is your relationship with them? Without relationship rishis

would not have asked us to look as above.

>

> Do you know among atleast brahmins, during the pitra karma, One Pinda each is

offered by Atma suhrith (Close friend), servant, King, Guru, etc altogether

about 54 no's.

>

> why should they do that without relatioship?.

>

> If seriously want to sit & think

>

> why should you be born in the family & your own parents, why not a different

parent.

>

> why where you not born as the son of dhirubhai ambani?

>

> why did you had the brother or sister you might be having now? why not a

different type?.

>

> Does those relatioship arise out sex alone?

>

> why should you be sad, if your friend (Not a blood relation) had an accident?.

>

> A relatioship is a bond between two people. The bond between a male & female

though strangers need not be sex alone. What is the logic in that? two persons

can live together married and need not have sex the whole life. Just look around

you and you may find many couples like that.

>

> Marriage ceremony is vow to live together, to go through good & bad times,

taken before the sacred fire or as the customes decree.

>

> A brahmanical marriage - " Vedic Marriage " involves another ritual. The Bride

is detached from her gotra & joined with the gotra of the groom.

>

> does the bond thus created could be snapped by any court of law?.

>

> Somewhere on the internet, I saw an article saying the DNA alters with the

marriage rituals as held by Hindus. May be true or not. Perhaps we may want

americans to tell us that.

>

> Hope that atleast by now you understood what question you should have asked.

>

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

>

, " vishal_deshpande_4 "

<vishal_deshpande_4@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sirs,

> >

> > thanks for the responses.

> >

> > I guess I was wrongly interpreted.

> > Or maybe I had phrased my question wrongly and grossly.

> >

> > I am absolutely not interested in these immoral activities like

extra-marital relations etc. I whole-heartedly agree with your views.

> >

> > My question was purely to understand the trigger points of planetary

afflictions.

> >

> > Suppose a person's chart has Saturn in 3rd house, in this case his brothers

and sisters will be affceted.

> > Now this is fair enough as they have a blood relation and planetary position

of that person's chart can possibly affcet his brothers and sister for good or

bad.

> >

> > Similar is the case of planetary afflication ones's chart to his parents,

childern, motehrs' brother/sisters, father's brothers/sisters.

> >

> > Now how does all these fit in for a spouse. husband and wife have no blood

relation. they are perfect strangers before marriage. Now exactly from what

point of time does the managalik wife's chart start afflicting the husband?

> > Does it start afflicting just by performing marriage rituals?

> > What if they legally divorce each other? Does it keep afflicting ?

> >

> > This is exactly where 'sex' comes in.

> > Is it the bridge that links the charts of husband and wife?

> >

> > I know the discussion on this topic is a taboo and there are high chances of

one being wrongly interpreted.

> >

> > I would ask the moderator to delete my message if its too obscene or out of

scope of this group. Or just ignore it, I would have no qualms.

> >

> > Thanks once again for considering my question worth of response.

> >

> > Regards

> > - Vishal

> >

> > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Vishal,

> > >

> > > For a minute forget about astrology. Just suppose, you have friend who

meet every day, play together etc and one day he is caught with banned drugs and

you happed to be with him and you never new about his other side.

> > >

> > > where will that put you. can you imagine what might happen to you.

> > >

> > > There is an old saying

> > >

> > > " A man is known by the company he keeps "

> > >

> > > It is also the reason why Indians traditionaly greets every one with

folded hands and a respectfull " Namasthe " . Not to get mixed with different /

inimical energy levels of each other. At the same time a touch at the feet of a

true Acharya is considered divine- pure energy.

> > >

> > > Attachments are cause of all the pain, life & birth cycle whether is love,

lust or hate - it is all same and decides the karmic effect.

> > >

> > > Any of the above will be present in the act you had mentioned. I just

wonder why your mind has singled out this aspect of relationship while so many

other examples are out there. Ask yourself this question first. Curiosity is

good, but.............?

> > >

> > > Need I say more.

> > >

> > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " vishal_deshpande_4 "

<vishal_deshpande_4@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namsate to All,

> > > >

> > > > I have a very basic question regarding astrology and horoscopes.

> > > >

> > > > Let us take a hypothetical case of a woman having a severe mangalik

dosha, such that the person who will marry her will be severely afflicted.

> > > >

> > > > Now does this afflition happens after marraige rituals (can be vedic

ritual, or rituals of other religions or simply marriage registration).

> > > > If no, then does this afflication happen only after having sex?

> > > >

> > > > If the above woman has sexual relations with a man without marrying him,

will that man be afflicted?

> > > >

> > > > Please note that none of the above cases apply to me.

> > > > I just want to know the importance of sexual act regarding planetary

afflictions. This is purely out of curiosity and desire to understand different

aspects of astrology.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > - Vishal

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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  you are very right I have seen many cases like this.

if any manglik had sex before marriage the first one with whom he/she did, gone

in deep troubles or met an accident and gone mentally too.( if he/she were

nonmanglik)

 

Jyotish Ramesh Lahri

Gulab Bari,

Ajmer -305008

Mob: 09414496800

 

 

 

 

________________________________

vishal_deshpande_4 <vishal_deshpande_4

 

Thursday, August 20, 2009 2:53:17 PM

Affect of one'es horoscope on other

 

 

Namsate to All,

 

I have a very basic question regarding astrology and horoscopes.

 

Let us take a hypothetical case of a woman having a severe mangalik dosha, such

that the person who will marry her will be severely afflicted.

 

Now does this afflition happens after marraige rituals (can be vedic ritual, or

rituals of other religions or simply marriage registration) .

If no, then does this afflication happen only after having sex?

 

If the above woman has sexual relations with a man without marrying him, will

that man be afflicted?

 

Please note that none of the above cases apply to me.

I just want to know the importance of sexual act regarding planetary

afflictions. This is purely out of curiosity and desire to understand different

aspects of astrology.

 

Thanks

 

Regards

- Vishal

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Friends,

The topic is about having sex or about manglik dosha.Even non manglik too can

have sez w/o hvaing any affliction in planets.

Probably v shoould desist such analytical issues from pure jyotish

technicalities.other type of curioties could be resolved in personal mails and

expressions

vrkrishnan

 

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

 

 

--- On Fri, 8/21/09, Ramesh Lahri <rameshlahri wrote:

 

 

Ramesh Lahri <rameshlahri

Re: Affect of one'es horoscope on other

 

Friday, August 21, 2009, 8:57 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

  you are very right I have seen many cases like this.

if any manglik had sex before marriage the first one with whom he/she did, gone

in deep troubles or met an accident and gone mentally too.( if he/she were

nonmanglik)

 

Jyotish Ramesh Lahri

Gulab Bari,

Ajmer -305008

Mob: 09414496800

 

____________ _________ _________ __

vishal_deshpande_ 4 <vishal_deshpande_ 4

 

Thursday, August 20, 2009 2:53:17 PM

Affect of one'es horoscope on other

 

 

Namsate to All,

 

I have a very basic question regarding astrology and horoscopes.

 

Let us take a hypothetical case of a woman having a severe mangalik dosha, such

that the person who will marry her will be severely afflicted.

 

Now does this afflition happens after marraige rituals (can be vedic ritual, or

rituals of other religions or simply marriage registration) .

If no, then does this afflication happen only after having sex?

 

If the above woman has sexual relations with a man without marrying him, will

that man be afflicted?

 

Please note that none of the above cases apply to me.

I just want to know the importance of sexual act regarding planetary

afflictions. This is purely out of curiosity and desire to understand different

aspects of astrology.

 

Thanks

 

Regards

- Vishal

 

 

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