Guest guest Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 Dear Sunil ji, Jaya Siyaa Raam Thanks a lot for the useful information about Stotra recitation you have been giving. I also wish to ask a couple of questions about it - (1) The people who live in USA and Canada, they have their rooms carpeted. Then ehere to drop the water from the palm after the Viniyog? Can it be dropped in a metal plate or bowl, and if yes then what to do of it afterwards? (2) I have heard that while reciting a Mantra(may be 108 times), one should keep some water in frontof him, and after recitation it should be drank. This gives btter results of the Mantra recited. Is it true? And if it is true for Mantra recitation, then is it true for the Stotra also? With regards Sushma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 Dear Sushma Ji, Jaya Siyaa Raam Please Find the answers- >>(1) The people who live in USA and Canada, they have their rooms carpeted. Then ehere to drop the water from the palm after the Viniyog? Can it be dropped in a metal plate or bowl, and if yes then what to do of it afterwards? ** Yes, You can drop in plate or bowl.Then after pooja, pour that water to some plant or tree. >> (2) I have heard that while reciting a Mantra(may be 108 times), one should keep some water in frontof him, and after recitation it should be drank. This gives btter results of the Mantra recited. Is it true? ** It is always true for the mantra that you are chanting for 'Pushti Karm'(means to strenghthen yourself). But there are many types of mantras and prayog other than pushti karm and complex methodology to perform that. So I am not sure that it is true in all the cases. >> And if it is true for Mantra recitation, then is it true for the Stotra also? ** It is true for stotra also. But it is essential for some stotra. For example, for persons suffering from eye diseases it is recommended to read 'Chakshush Upanishad' 12 times daily and keep some water in copper bowl. After reciting the stotra, apply some water on eyes and drink the reamining water.Person will definitely get relief within very short span of time. For Ram Raksha Stotra also it is always recommended. Best Regards Sunil , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee wrote: > > Dear Sunil ji, > Jaya Siyaa Raam > Thanks a lot for the useful information about Stotra recitation you have been giving. > > I also wish to ask a couple of questions about it - > (1) The people who live in USA and Canada, they have their rooms carpeted. Then ehere to drop the water from the palm after the Viniyog? Can it be dropped in a metal plate or bowl, and if yes then what to do of it afterwards? > > (2) I have heard that while reciting a Mantra(may be 108 times), one should keep some water in frontof him, and after recitation it should be drank. This gives btter results of the Mantra recited. Is it true? > > And if it is true for Mantra recitation, then is it true for the Stotra also? > > With regards > Sushma > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 Dear Sunil JI Jaya Siyaa Raam I am so grateful to you for your quick reply. Your this reply has arisen a few questions more about Mantra ans Stotra -- (1) I recite Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra, Mahaamrityunjaya Stotra, and Chandrashekhar Ashtakam daily in the morning. Would you kindly tell me if I have to put water in the metal (any metal or any specific metal) bowl for these Mantra and Stotra? (2) I recite Raam Rakshaa Stotra also. So should I keep some water in a bowl throughout the time I recite it, then I should pour it in the roots of a tree? or drink it? By the way, is Viniyog water different and Stotra water different? or the same water can be used for both. Like, I keep some water in a bowl. While reading the Viniyog, I should take some water in my right palm, read the Viniyog and drop it in a plate. The rest of the water should be kept for the period of reciting the whole Stotra and then - it should be drank or poured in the root of a tree? Please guide me in detail so that I can get maximum benefits of these Mantra and Stotra. I will be so grateful to you. I have been reciting them for over one and half years. I have heard that Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra is good for health, but I am not seeing any improvement in my health. Thanks and with all my regards to you Sushma , " sunilsingh20022001 " <sunilsingh20022001 wrote: > > Dear Sushma Ji, > Jaya Siyaa Raam > Please Find the answers- > >>(1) The people who live in USA and Canada, they have their rooms carpeted. Then ehere to drop the water from the palm after the Viniyog? Can it be dropped in a metal plate or bowl, and if yes then what to do of it afterwards? > ** Yes, You can drop in plate or bowl.Then after pooja, pour that water to some plant or tree. > >> (2) I have heard that while reciting a Mantra(may be 108 times), one should keep some water in frontof him, and after recitation it should be drank. This gives btter results of the Mantra recited. Is it true? > ** It is always true for the mantra that you are chanting for 'Pushti Karm'(means to strenghthen yourself). But there are many types of mantras and prayog other than pushti karm and complex methodology to perform that. So I am not sure that it is true in all the cases. > >> And if it is true for Mantra recitation, then is it true for the Stotra also? > ** It is true for stotra also. But it is essential for some stotra. For example, for persons suffering from eye diseases it is recommended to read 'Chakshush Upanishad' 12 times daily and keep some water in copper bowl. After reciting the stotra, apply some water on eyes and drink the reamining water.Person will definitely get relief within very short span of time. For Ram Raksha Stotra also it is always recommended. > > Best Regards > Sunil > > > > > , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > Thanks a lot for the useful information about Stotra recitation you have been giving. > > > > I also wish to ask a couple of questions about it - > > (1) The people who live in USA and Canada, they have their rooms carpeted. Then ehere to drop the water from the palm after the Viniyog? Can it be dropped in a metal plate or bowl, and if yes then what to do of it afterwards? > > > > (2) I have heard that while reciting a Mantra(may be 108 times), one should keep some water in frontof him, and after recitation it should be drank. This gives btter results of the Mantra recited. Is it true? > > > > And if it is true for Mantra recitation, then is it true for the Stotra also? > > > > With regards > > Sushma > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 Dear Sushma Ji, Jaya Siyaa Raam Please find the answers- >>I recite Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra, Mahaamrityunjaya Stotra, and Chandrashekhar Ashtakam daily in the morning. Would you kindly tell me if I have to put water in the metal (any metal or any specific metal) bowl for these Mantra and Stotra? ** Yes.Those are the mantra/stotra for pushti karm. You should keep the water in bowl while reciting and drink after completion of mantra/stotra. >>I recite Raam Rakshaa Stotra also. So should I keep some water in a bowl throughout the time I recite it, then I should pour it in the roots of a tree? or drink it? ** You should drink it. >>By the way, is Viniyog water different and Stotra water different? or the same water can be used for both. Like, I keep some water in a bowl. While reading the Viniyog, I should take some water in my right palm, read the Viniyog and drop it in a plate. The rest of the water should be kept for the period of reciting the whole Stotra and then - it should be drank or poured in the root of a tree? ** Yes.Viniyoga water and stotra water is different.You should pour the water to a plant or tree which you have used for viniyoga. So You can use one plate and one bowl or two bowls.After pooja consume the water which is energised by mantra. >>I have been reciting them for over one and half years. I have heard that Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra is good for health, but I am not seeing any improvement in my health. ** There is no doubt that Mahamritunjaya mantra can bring good health. Use rudraksh rosary and before chanting Mahamritunjaya mantra chant vashishthha mantra 108 times- VAM VASHISHTHHAAYA NAMAH. To get rid of your health problem you can also read ' MAYURESH STOTRA ' this would definitely give you very good result. IMP- If you have been reading Ram Raksha Stotra then this very good time to get maximum benifit of this stotra.From 19 Sept navaratra will start. Recite Ram Raksha Stotra 11 times daily in front of photo of ram darabar ( Ram,Lakshaman, Sita, Hanuman )for nine days.Don't take onion or garlic and help to needy people to the best of your ability.Before recition of Ram raksha Stotra worship Hanuman. Read Hanuman Chalisa atleast. You will get siddhi of Ram Raksha Stotra.After navaratra you should read that stotra once as usual. Best Regards Sunil , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee wrote: > > Dear Sunil JI > Jaya Siyaa Raam > I am so grateful to you for your quick reply. Your this reply has arisen a few questions more about Mantra ans Stotra -- > > (1) I recite Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra, Mahaamrityunjaya Stotra, and Chandrashekhar Ashtakam daily in the morning. Would you kindly tell me if I have to put water in the metal (any metal or any specific metal) bowl for these Mantra and Stotra? > > (2) I recite Raam Rakshaa Stotra also. So should I keep some water in a bowl throughout the time I recite it, then I should pour it in the roots of a tree? or drink it? > > By the way, is Viniyog water different and Stotra water different? > or the same water can be used for both. Like, I keep some water in a bowl. While reading the Viniyog, I should take some water in my right palm, read the Viniyog and drop it in a plate. The rest of the water should be kept for the period of reciting the whole Stotra and then - it should be drank or poured in the root of a tree? > > Please guide me in detail so that I can get maximum benefits of these Mantra and Stotra. I will be so grateful to you. I have been reciting them for over one and half years. I have heard that Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra is good for health, but I am not seeing any improvement in my health. > Thanks and with all my regards to you > Sushma > > > > , " sunilsingh20022001 " <sunilsingh20022001@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sushma Ji, > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > Please Find the answers- > > >>(1) The people who live in USA and Canada, they have their rooms carpeted. Then ehere to drop the water from the palm after the Viniyog? Can it be dropped in a metal plate or bowl, and if yes then what to do of it afterwards? > > ** Yes, You can drop in plate or bowl.Then after pooja, pour that water to some plant or tree. > > >> (2) I have heard that while reciting a Mantra(may be 108 times), one should keep some water in frontof him, and after recitation it should be drank. This gives btter results of the Mantra recited. Is it true? > > ** It is always true for the mantra that you are chanting for 'Pushti Karm'(means to strenghthen yourself). But there are many types of mantras and prayog other than pushti karm and complex methodology to perform that. So I am not sure that it is true in all the cases. > > >> And if it is true for Mantra recitation, then is it true for the Stotra also? > > ** It is true for stotra also. But it is essential for some stotra. For example, for persons suffering from eye diseases it is recommended to read 'Chakshush Upanishad' 12 times daily and keep some water in copper bowl. After reciting the stotra, apply some water on eyes and drink the reamining water.Person will definitely get relief within very short span of time. For Ram Raksha Stotra also it is always recommended. > > > > Best Regards > > Sunil > > > > > > > > > > , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > Thanks a lot for the useful information about Stotra recitation you have been giving. > > > > > > I also wish to ask a couple of questions about it - > > > (1) The people who live in USA and Canada, they have their rooms carpeted. Then ehere to drop the water from the palm after the Viniyog? Can it be dropped in a metal plate or bowl, and if yes then what to do of it afterwards? > > > > > > (2) I have heard that while reciting a Mantra(may be 108 times), one should keep some water in frontof him, and after recitation it should be drank. This gives btter results of the Mantra recited. Is it true? > > > > > > And if it is true for Mantra recitation, then is it true for the Stotra also? > > > > > > With regards > > > Sushma > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 Sunil Ji, what a nice way of clarifying the doubts and identify difference between Viniyoagha and stotraha. Normally Viniyogaha is water left in bowl after stotra.Water for stotra is meant for initiation and to be sacrified by putting a twig of tulasi leaves in a container and for vinyoga purpose consume through a copper/silver spoon Stotra water can be used for suddhi and sanctification of the house too Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) --- On Fri, 9/11/09, sunilsingh20022001 <sunilsingh20022001 wrote: sunilsingh20022001 <sunilsingh20022001 Re: Stotra Recitation Friday, September 11, 2009, 11:58 AM Dear Sushma Ji, Jaya Siyaa Raam Please find the answers- >>I recite Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra, Mahaamrityunjaya Stotra, and Chandrashekhar Ashtakam daily in the morning. Would you kindly tell me if I have to put water in the metal (any metal or any specific metal) bowl for these Mantra and Stotra? ** Yes.Those are the mantra/stotra for pushti karm. You should keep the water in bowl while reciting and drink after completion of mantra/stotra. >>I recite Raam Rakshaa Stotra also. So should I keep some water in a bowl throughout the time I recite it, then I should pour it in the roots of a tree? or drink it? ** You should drink it. >>By the way, is Viniyog water different and Stotra water different? or the same water can be used for both. Like, I keep some water in a bowl. While reading the Viniyog, I should take some water in my right palm, read the Viniyog and drop it in a plate. The rest of the water should be kept for the period of reciting the whole Stotra and then - it should be drank or poured in the root of a tree? ** Yes.Viniyoga water and stotra water is different.You should pour the water to a plant or tree which you have used for viniyoga. So You can use one plate and one bowl or two bowls.After pooja consume the water which is energised by mantra. >>I have been reciting them for over one and half years. I have heard that Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra is good for health, but I am not seeing any improvement in my health. ** There is no doubt that Mahamritunjaya mantra can bring good health. Use rudraksh rosary and before chanting Mahamritunjaya mantra chant vashishthha mantra 108 times- VAM VASHISHTHHAAYA NAMAH. To get rid of your health problem you can also read ' MAYURESH STOTRA ' this would definitely give you very good result. IMP- If you have been reading Ram Raksha Stotra then this very good time to get maximum benifit of this stotra.From 19 Sept navaratra will start. Recite Ram Raksha Stotra 11 times daily in front of photo of ram darabar ( Ram,Lakshaman, Sita, Hanuman )for nine days.Don't take onion or garlic and help to needy people to the best of your ability.Before recition of Ram raksha Stotra worship Hanuman. Read Hanuman Chalisa atleast. You will get siddhi of Ram Raksha Stotra.After navaratra you should read that stotra once as usual. Best Regards Sunil , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Sunil JI > Jaya Siyaa Raam > I am so grateful to you for your quick reply. Your this reply has arisen a few questions more about Mantra ans Stotra -- > > (1) I recite Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra, Mahaamrityunjaya Stotra, and Chandrashekhar Ashtakam daily in the morning. Would you kindly tell me if I have to put water in the metal (any metal or any specific metal) bowl for these Mantra and Stotra? > > (2) I recite Raam Rakshaa Stotra also. So should I keep some water in a bowl throughout the time I recite it, then I should pour it in the roots of a tree? or drink it? > > By the way, is Viniyog water different and Stotra water different? > or the same water can be used for both. Like, I keep some water in a bowl. While reading the Viniyog, I should take some water in my right palm, read the Viniyog and drop it in a plate. The rest of the water should be kept for the period of reciting the whole Stotra and then - it should be drank or poured in the root of a tree? > > Please guide me in detail so that I can get maximum benefits of these Mantra and Stotra. I will be so grateful to you. I have been reciting them for over one and half years. I have heard that Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra is good for health, but I am not seeing any improvement in my health. > Thanks and with all my regards to you > Sushma > > > > , " sunilsingh20022001 " <sunilsingh20022001 @> wrote: > > > > Dear Sushma Ji, > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > Please Find the answers- > > >>(1) The people who live in USA and Canada, they have their rooms carpeted. Then ehere to drop the water from the palm after the Viniyog? Can it be dropped in a metal plate or bowl, and if yes then what to do of it afterwards? > > ** Yes, You can drop in plate or bowl.Then after pooja, pour that water to some plant or tree. > > >> (2) I have heard that while reciting a Mantra(may be 108 times), one should keep some water in frontof him, and after recitation it should be drank. This gives btter results of the Mantra recited. Is it true? > > ** It is always true for the mantra that you are chanting for 'Pushti Karm'(means to strenghthen yourself). But there are many types of mantras and prayog other than pushti karm and complex methodology to perform that. So I am not sure that it is true in all the cases. > > >> And if it is true for Mantra recitation, then is it true for the Stotra also? > > ** It is true for stotra also. But it is essential for some stotra. For example, for persons suffering from eye diseases it is recommended to read 'Chakshush Upanishad' 12 times daily and keep some water in copper bowl. After reciting the stotra, apply some water on eyes and drink the reamining water.Person will definitely get relief within very short span of time. For Ram Raksha Stotra also it is always recommended. > > > > Best Regards > > Sunil > > > > > > > > > > , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > Thanks a lot for the useful information about Stotra recitation you have been giving. > > > > > > I also wish to ask a couple of questions about it - > > > (1) The people who live in USA and Canada, they have their rooms carpeted. Then ehere to drop the water from the palm after the Viniyog? Can it be dropped in a metal plate or bowl, and if yes then what to do of it afterwards? > > > > > > (2) I have heard that while reciting a Mantra(may be 108 times), one should keep some water in frontof him, and after recitation it should be drank. This gives btter results of the Mantra recited. Is it true? > > > > > > And if it is true for Mantra recitation, then is it true for the Stotra also? > > > > > > With regards > > > Sushma > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 I am a little cautious about commenting on this subject. There are different acharas and depend on variety of reasons. However, the basic reasoning, meaning and application is practically same in all the tantras / agamas.  The “Viniyoga†means usage – for what?. How? The “Karishye†– means do – what? Why?  Both are actually “sankalpa†but application is different.  The ritual of pouring water though the hand down the fingers is done only when “karishye†is uttered  (Sankalpa) and not for “Viniyog†(Prayog)  In fact there is more to this than merely pouring water. Unless the whole ritual is not done according to the agama / tantra, there is no point in doing it half way.  Either do it as prescribed or recite the stotras without accompanying rituals.  For example Vishnu Sahasranama could be recited without any rituals or complete with Sankalpa, nyasa, kalasha pooja, avahana, shodashopachara pooja, archana (with Sahasranama), Avarana pooja, Arathi , naivedhya, Maha Navedhya, Maha Arathi, kshamapana prarthana etc. The rituals involved could be elaborate or simplified according to situation, custome & need.  I shall illustrate with example of both. Shree Rudra  asya shree rudradhyaaya maha mantrasya aghora rishi: anushtup chanda: sankarshanamoorthisvaroopo yo asaavaadithya: paramapurusha: sa esha mrinthyunjayarudro devatha nama: shivaayeti beejam shivatharaayeti shakthi: nama: somaayethi keelakam somaskandaparameshwara prasaadasidhyarthe VINIYOGA:  Here Viniyoga: means I am going to use / apply / exercise the following FOR The grace of “somaskandaparameshwaraâ€.  In fact when reciting the above, there are other observations to be done. I already told that it is “Sankalpaâ€Â - The purpose of reciting the stotra / mantra etc but essentially prayoga – application. Which means I have to decide why I am reciting it – the real purpose should be visualized and born in mind.  The second thing is to become one with the whole being of that stotra whether it is advaitha or dwaitha. Here bear in mind that it is the higher authority that we are seeking grace from and that authority adheres to dharma alone. So I cannot be different from that authorities gunas. I have to try and become one with it.   With the above point of view, When Rishi is mentioned, I will touch the top of my head, when chandas is mentioned, I will touch my mouth, devatha is mentioned, I will touch my heart. This is to symbolize and firmly establish myself with what I am doing or going to do.  Before going to the prayoga part  Achaman, pranayam  and sankalpa also should be done. The word “Karishye†is used with sankalpa and not prayoga (Viniyog).   The sankalpa could be used in a different way also.     “achamya, prananayamya,--- Varthamaane vyavaharike ………naama samvatsare ----------ayane ----------ritau ----------maase ---------pakshe triteeyaam etc ---------vaasare Poorvokta evam guna vishesheNa vishishtaayaam Shubha puNyathitau Anantha kalyana gunaparipoorna ksheerabdishaayii Shree Vishnu preeranayaa Shree Vishnu preethyartham Asmaakam sarveshaam sakutumbaanaam Kshemasyaiyaayuraaroghya eishwairyaabhivridhyartham Chaturvidha punya purushartha sidhyartham Mama iha janmani janmaantare cha samastha Paapakshaya poorvakam Yaavajjeeva saumangalya vridhaye Putra pautraadhyabhishta praapthaye Shree swarna gauree preethyartham cha YathaamilithopachaaraiH gauree poojaaM KARISHYE – (ithi sankalpam)  Water is poured now when the word “Karishte†is spelt. " asmaakam " . when the sankalpa is done by the person himself - for whom it is done other wise name etc is mentioned if the sankalpa is given by another person - prabably by purohit himself.  Now see the difference in usage. Lakshmee Hridayam Shree ganeshaya nama Aachamya praanaanaayamya Deshakalau samkeertya ( as above) Shree lakshmee naraayana prasaadasidhyaa Mamaabhishtakaamanaa sidhyartham Adhyaprabhrutya amukadinaparyantham Samkaliikaranareethya Samputeekanariitya Purashchanareethya Sakridaavarthana reethya vaa Lakshmee naarayanahridaya japaakhyam karma karishye – pour water here.  Itit sankalpya nyaasadi kuryaath Asya shree mahaalakshmee hridaya maalaa mantrasya Bhaarghava rishiH Aadhyaadi shree mahaalakshmeerdevatha Anushtupaati naanaa chandaamsi Sheerbeejam Hreem sakthiH Aim keelakam Shree mahaa lakshmee prasaada sidhyarthe jape viniyogaH – note this. No water shoud be poured here.  The usage “japam aham karishye†is also wrong. “japam karishye†is enough and correct.  Some times the sankalpa is given and purohit does the pooja for the native if the native do not have authority / does not know / cannot do the pooja / japa etc.  Yes, do not mistake me.Japa also are and could be done by purohit for the sake of others. This is pure tantra and beyond the scope of this discussion.  Some of the rituals could be simplified but should conform to the basic principles of agama / tantra. One cannot do whatever one likes / could do. Excuses such as “this is what my teacher taught me†or “my father taught me†is irrelevant as far as science is concerned.  So also is there is nothing wrong if done with good heart. In this case, one do not require any ritual connected with agama / tantra but require only devotion. However, Mantras, Sookthas & Veda are totally different and out of the perview of devotion – though devotion is absolutely necessary.  To illustrate the point, I shaal narrate a small story from Ramayana. Once Lord Hanuman had to fight with Lord Rama. – a fight between the lord and devotee.   Lord Rama tells to Hanuman – “You very well know who I am and the power of my arrow – rama baaN†Hanuman retorts back- “raam mantra is there in every pore in my body. What can raama band do† This episode actually illustrates what Mantra, devotion, prayoga. Etc.  Shree Ramachandra arrow could not do any harm on the body of Lord Hanuman.   Hope this will help all.   A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy  ________________________________ Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 Saturday, September 12, 2009 8:15:37 AM Re: Re: Stotra Recitation  Sunil Ji, what a nice way of clarifying the doubts and identify difference between Viniyoagha and stotraha. Normally Viniyogaha is water left in bowl after stotra.Water for stotra is meant for initiation and to be sacrified by putting a twig of tulasi leaves in a container and for vinyoga purpose consume through a copper/silver spoon Stotra water can be used for suddhi and sanctification of the house too Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services)  --- On Fri, 9/11/09, sunilsingh20022001 <sunilsingh20022001@ > wrote: sunilsingh20022001 <sunilsingh20022001@ > Re: Stotra Recitation Friday, September 11, 2009, 11:58 AM  Dear Sushma Ji, Jaya Siyaa Raam Please find the answers- >>I recite Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra, Mahaamrityunjaya Stotra, and Chandrashekhar Ashtakam daily in the morning. Would you kindly tell me if I have to put water in the metal (any metal or any specific metal) bowl for these Mantra and Stotra? ** Yes.Those are the mantra/stotra for pushti karm. You should keep the water in bowl while reciting and drink after completion of mantra/stotra. >>I recite Raam Rakshaa Stotra also. So should I keep some water in a bowl throughout the time I recite it, then I should pour it in the roots of a tree? or drink it? ** You should drink it. >>By the way, is Viniyog water different and Stotra water different? or the same water can be used for both. Like, I keep some water in a bowl. While reading the Viniyog, I should take some water in my right palm, read the Viniyog and drop it in a plate. The rest of the water should be kept for the period of reciting the whole Stotra and then - it should be drank or poured in the root of a tree? ** Yes.Viniyoga water and stotra water is different.You should pour the water to a plant or tree which you have used for viniyoga. So You can use one plate and one bowl or two bowls.After pooja consume the water which is energised by mantra. >>I have been reciting them for over one and half years. I have heard that Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra is good for health, but I am not seeing any improvement in my health. ** There is no doubt that Mahamritunjaya mantra can bring good health. Use rudraksh rosary and before chanting Mahamritunjaya mantra chant vashishthha mantra 108 times- VAM VASHISHTHHAAYA NAMAH. To get rid of your health problem you can also read ' MAYURESH STOTRA ' this would definitely give you very good result. IMP- If you have been reading Ram Raksha Stotra then this very good time to get maximum benifit of this stotra.From 19 Sept navaratra will start. Recite Ram Raksha Stotra 11 times daily in front of photo of ram darabar ( Ram,Lakshaman, Sita, Hanuman )for nine days.Don't take onion or garlic and help to needy people to the best of your ability.Before recition of Ram raksha Stotra worship Hanuman. Read Hanuman Chalisa atleast. You will get siddhi of Ram Raksha Stotra.After navaratra you should read that stotra once as usual. Best Regards Sunil , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Sunil JI > Jaya Siyaa Raam > I am so grateful to you for your quick reply. Your this reply has arisen a few questions more about Mantra ans Stotra -- > > (1) I recite Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra, Mahaamrityunjaya Stotra, and Chandrashekhar Ashtakam daily in the morning. Would you kindly tell me if I have to put water in the metal (any metal or any specific metal) bowl for these Mantra and Stotra? > > (2) I recite Raam Rakshaa Stotra also. So should I keep some water in a bowl throughout the time I recite it, then I should pour it in the roots of a tree? or drink it? > > By the way, is Viniyog water different and Stotra water different? > or the same water can be used for both. Like, I keep some water in a bowl. While reading the Viniyog, I should take some water in my right palm, read the Viniyog and drop it in a plate. The rest of the water should be kept for the period of reciting the whole Stotra and then - it should be drank or poured in the root of a tree? > > Please guide me in detail so that I can get maximum benefits of these Mantra and Stotra. I will be so grateful to you. I have been reciting them for over one and half years. I have heard that Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra is good for health, but I am not seeing any improvement in my health. > Thanks and with all my regards to you > Sushma > > > > , " sunilsingh20022001 " <sunilsingh20022001 @> wrote: > > > > Dear Sushma Ji, > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > Please Find the answers- > > >>(1) The people who live in USA and Canada, they have their rooms carpeted. Then ehere to drop the water from the palm after the Viniyog? Can it be dropped in a metal plate or bowl, and if yes then what to do of it afterwards? > > ** Yes, You can drop in plate or bowl.Then after pooja, pour that water to some plant or tree. > > >> (2) I have heard that while reciting a Mantra(may be 108 times), one should keep some water in frontof him, and after recitation it should be drank. This gives btter results of the Mantra recited. Is it true? > > ** It is always true for the mantra that you are chanting for 'Pushti Karm'(means to strenghthen yourself). But there are many types of mantras and prayog other than pushti karm and complex methodology to perform that. So I am not sure that it is true in all the cases. > > >> And if it is true for Mantra recitation, then is it true for the Stotra also? > > ** It is true for stotra also. But it is essential for some stotra. For example, for persons suffering from eye diseases it is recommended to read 'Chakshush Upanishad' 12 times daily and keep some water in copper bowl. After reciting the stotra, apply some water on eyes and drink the reamining water.Person will definitely get relief within very short span of time. For Ram Raksha Stotra also it is always recommended. > > > > Best Regards > > Sunil > > > > > > > > > > , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > Thanks a lot for the useful information about Stotra recitation you have been giving. > > > > > > I also wish to ask a couple of questions about it - > > > (1) The people who live in USA and Canada, they have their rooms carpeted. Then ehere to drop the water from the palm after the Viniyog? Can it be dropped in a metal plate or bowl, and if yes then what to do of it afterwards? > > > > > > (2) I have heard that while reciting a Mantra(may be 108 times), one should keep some water in frontof him, and after recitation it should be drank. This gives btter results of the Mantra recited. Is it true? > > > > > > And if it is true for Mantra recitation, then is it true for the Stotra also? > > > > > > With regards > > > Sushma > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 Dear Friends, Though the thread brings value addition to JR,awareness of nitty,gritties is also essential as part of JR topic for discusion. Many people talk and inform also they are doing japa for 20000 times on his and is also awaiting pacification..It is most important as Shri Suresh ji observed that purpose and determination along with devotion are important elements for remedial aspects and for expecting results out of such a difficult exercise.So knowing that "  purpose of reciting the stotra / mantra etc but essentially prayoga – application. Probably when we recite or intend to read from a book " Mantras, Sookthas & Veda are totally different importance is given for the vibration and changes that gets intiated and " become out of the perview of devotion " here the kind of sounds that come carry effect to set the right course of environment to give remedies and and pacify bad effects.No doubt these come as sources of knowledge For that matter any stotram is to invoke and praise the lord and needs devotion to get the grace of lord. But with times changing media permitting,purohits are replaced through CDs/DVD's etc.How effective they are time only has to address.But it is beyond doubt that when it is done with customs and tradition and throgh a Guru/Purohit and the benifit could be witnessed without much time lag.Also done at home and at temple through a Priest has also significance.Further diversion on these issues probably is not with in the perview of this thread.  One cannot do whatever one likes / could do. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services)  --- On Sat, 9/12/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote: Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag Re: Re: Stotra Recitation Saturday, September 12, 2009, 7:33 AM  I am a little cautious about commenting on this subject. There are different acharas and depend on variety of reasons. However, the basic reasoning, meaning and application is practically same in all the tantras / agamas.  The “Viniyoga†means usage – for what?. How? The “Karishye†– means do – what? Why?  Both are actually “sankalpa†but application is different.  The ritual of pouring water though the hand down the fingers is done only when “karishye†is uttered  (Sankalpa) and not for “Viniyog†(Prayog)  In fact there is more to this than merely pouring water. Unless the whole ritual is not done according to the agama / tantra, there is no point in doing it half way.  Either do it as prescribed or recite the stotras without accompanying rituals.  For example Vishnu Sahasranama could be recited without any rituals or complete with Sankalpa, nyasa, kalasha pooja, avahana, shodashopachara pooja, archana (with Sahasranama) , Avarana pooja, Arathi , naivedhya, Maha Navedhya, Maha Arathi, kshamapana prarthana etc. The rituals involved could be elaborate or simplified according to situation, custome & need.  I shall illustrate with example of both. Shree Rudra  asya shree rudradhyaaya maha mantrasya aghora rishi: anushtup chanda: sankarshanamoorthis varoopo yo asaavaadithya: paramapurusha: sa esha mrinthyunjayarudro devatha nama: shivaayeti beejam shivatharaayeti shakthi: nama: somaayethi keelakam somaskandaparameshw ara prasaadasidhyarthe VINIYOGA:  Here Viniyoga: means I am going to use / apply / exercise the following FOR The grace of “somaskandaparameshw araâ€.  In fact when reciting the above, there are other observations to be done. I already told that it is “Sankalpaâ€Â - The purpose of reciting the stotra / mantra etc but essentially prayoga – application. Which means I have to decide why I am reciting it – the real purpose should be visualized and born in mind.  The second thing is to become one with the whole being of that stotra whether it is advaitha or dwaitha. Here bear in mind that it is the higher authority that we are seeking grace from and that authority adheres to dharma alone. So I cannot be different from that authorities gunas. I have to try and become one with it.   With the above point of view, When Rishi is mentioned, I will touch the top of my head, when chandas is mentioned, I will touch my mouth, devatha is mentioned, I will touch my heart. This is to symbolize and firmly establish myself with what I am doing or going to do.  Before going to the prayoga part  Achaman, pranayam  and sankalpa also should be done. The word “Karishye†is used with sankalpa and not prayoga (Viniyog).   The sankalpa could be used in a different way also.     “achamya, prananayamya, --- Varthamaane vyavaharike ………naama samvatsare ----------ayane ----------ritau ----------maase ---------pakshe triteeyaam etc ---------vaasare Poorvokta evam guna vishesheNa vishishtaayaam Shubha puNyathitau Anantha kalyana gunaparipoorna ksheerabdishaayii Shree Vishnu preeranayaa Shree Vishnu preethyartham Asmaakam sarveshaam sakutumbaanaam Kshemasyaiyaayuraar oghya eishwairyaabhivridh yartham Chaturvidha punya purushartha sidhyartham Mama iha janmani janmaantare cha samastha Paapakshaya poorvakam Yaavajjeeva saumangalya vridhaye Putra pautraadhyabhishta praapthaye Shree swarna gauree preethyartham cha Yathaamilithopachaa raiH gauree poojaaM KARISHYE – (ithi sankalpam)  Water is poured now when the word “Karishte†is spelt. " asmaakam " . when the sankalpa is done by the person himself - for whom it is done other wise name etc is mentioned if the sankalpa is given by another person - prabably by purohit himself.  Now see the difference in usage. Lakshmee Hridayam Shree ganeshaya nama Aachamya praanaanaayamya Deshakalau samkeertya ( as above) Shree lakshmee naraayana prasaadasidhyaa Mamaabhishtakaamana a sidhyartham Adhyaprabhrutya amukadinaparyantham Samkaliikaranareeth ya Samputeekanariitya Purashchanareethya Sakridaavarthana reethya vaa Lakshmee naarayanahridaya japaakhyam karma karishye – pour water here.  Itit sankalpya nyaasadi kuryaath Asya shree mahaalakshmee hridaya maalaa mantrasya Bhaarghava rishiH Aadhyaadi shree mahaalakshmeerdevat ha Anushtupaati naanaa chandaamsi Sheerbeejam Hreem sakthiH Aim keelakam Shree mahaa lakshmee prasaada sidhyarthe jape viniyogaH – note this.. No water shoud be poured here.  The usage “japam aham karishye†is also wrong. “japam karishye†is enough and correct.  Some times the sankalpa is given and purohit does the pooja for the native if the native do not have authority / does not know / cannot do the pooja / japa etc.  Yes, do not mistake me.Japa also are and could be done by purohit for the sake of others. This is pure tantra and beyond the scope of this discussion.  Some of the rituals could be simplified but should conform to the basic principles of agama / tantra. One cannot do whatever one likes / could do. Excuses such as “this is what my teacher taught me†or “my father taught me†is irrelevant as far as science is concerned.  So also is there is nothing wrong if done with good heart. In this case, one do not require any ritual connected with agama / tantra but require only devotion. However, Mantras, Sookthas & Veda are totally different and out of the perview of devotion – though devotion is absolutely necessary..  To illustrate the point, I shaal narrate a small story from Ramayana. Once Lord Hanuman had to fight with Lord Rama. – a fight between the lord and devotee.   Lord Rama tells to Hanuman – “You very well know who I am and the power of my arrow – rama baaN†Hanuman retorts back- “raam mantra is there in every pore in my body. What can raama band do† This episode actually illustrates what Mantra, devotion, prayoga. Etc.  Shree Ramachandra arrow could not do any harm on the body of Lord Hanuman.   Hope this will help all.   A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy  ____________ _________ _________ __ Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > Saturday, September 12, 2009 8:15:37 AM Re: Re: Stotra Recitation  Sunil Ji, what a nice way of clarifying the doubts and identify difference between Viniyoagha and stotraha. Normally Viniyogaha is water left in bowl after stotra.Water for stotra is meant for initiation and to be sacrified by putting a twig of tulasi leaves in a container and for vinyoga purpose consume through a copper/silver spoon Stotra water can be used for suddhi and sanctification of the house too Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services)  --- On Fri, 9/11/09, sunilsingh20022001 <sunilsingh20022001 @ > wrote: sunilsingh20022001 <sunilsingh20022001 @ > Re: Stotra Recitation Friday, September 11, 2009, 11:58 AM  Dear Sushma Ji, Jaya Siyaa Raam Please find the answers- >>I recite Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra, Mahaamrityunjaya Stotra, and Chandrashekhar Ashtakam daily in the morning. Would you kindly tell me if I have to put water in the metal (any metal or any specific metal) bowl for these Mantra and Stotra? ** Yes.Those are the mantra/stotra for pushti karm. You should keep the water in bowl while reciting and drink after completion of mantra/stotra. >>I recite Raam Rakshaa Stotra also. So should I keep some water in a bowl throughout the time I recite it, then I should pour it in the roots of a tree? or drink it? ** You should drink it. >>By the way, is Viniyog water different and Stotra water different? or the same water can be used for both. Like, I keep some water in a bowl. While reading the Viniyog, I should take some water in my right palm, read the Viniyog and drop it in a plate. The rest of the water should be kept for the period of reciting the whole Stotra and then - it should be drank or poured in the root of a tree? ** Yes.Viniyoga water and stotra water is different.You should pour the water to a plant or tree which you have used for viniyoga. So You can use one plate and one bowl or two bowls.After pooja consume the water which is energised by mantra. >>I have been reciting them for over one and half years. I have heard that Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra is good for health, but I am not seeing any improvement in my health. ** There is no doubt that Mahamritunjaya mantra can bring good health. Use rudraksh rosary and before chanting Mahamritunjaya mantra chant vashishthha mantra 108 times- VAM VASHISHTHHAAYA NAMAH. To get rid of your health problem you can also read ' MAYURESH STOTRA ' this would definitely give you very good result. IMP- If you have been reading Ram Raksha Stotra then this very good time to get maximum benifit of this stotra.From 19 Sept navaratra will start. Recite Ram Raksha Stotra 11 times daily in front of photo of ram darabar ( Ram,Lakshaman, Sita, Hanuman )for nine days.Don't take onion or garlic and help to needy people to the best of your ability.Before recition of Ram raksha Stotra worship Hanuman. Read Hanuman Chalisa atleast. You will get siddhi of Ram Raksha Stotra.After navaratra you should read that stotra once as usual. Best Regards Sunil , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Sunil JI > Jaya Siyaa Raam > I am so grateful to you for your quick reply. Your this reply has arisen a few questions more about Mantra ans Stotra -- > > (1) I recite Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra, Mahaamrityunjaya Stotra, and Chandrashekhar Ashtakam daily in the morning. Would you kindly tell me if I have to put water in the metal (any metal or any specific metal) bowl for these Mantra and Stotra? > > (2) I recite Raam Rakshaa Stotra also. So should I keep some water in a bowl throughout the time I recite it, then I should pour it in the roots of a tree? or drink it? > > By the way, is Viniyog water different and Stotra water different? > or the same water can be used for both. Like, I keep some water in a bowl.. While reading the Viniyog, I should take some water in my right palm, read the Viniyog and drop it in a plate. The rest of the water should be kept for the period of reciting the whole Stotra and then - it should be drank or poured in the root of a tree? > > Please guide me in detail so that I can get maximum benefits of these Mantra and Stotra. I will be so grateful to you. I have been reciting them for over one and half years. I have heard that Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra is good for health, but I am not seeing any improvement in my health. > Thanks and with all my regards to you > Sushma > > > > , " sunilsingh20022001 " <sunilsingh20022001 @> wrote: > > > > Dear Sushma Ji, > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > Please Find the answers- > > >>(1) The people who live in USA and Canada, they have their rooms carpeted. Then ehere to drop the water from the palm after the Viniyog? Can it be dropped in a metal plate or bowl, and if yes then what to do of it afterwards? > > ** Yes, You can drop in plate or bowl.Then after pooja, pour that water to some plant or tree. > > >> (2) I have heard that while reciting a Mantra(may be 108 times), one should keep some water in frontof him, and after recitation it should be drank. This gives btter results of the Mantra recited. Is it true? > > ** It is always true for the mantra that you are chanting for 'Pushti Karm'(means to strenghthen yourself). But there are many types of mantras and prayog other than pushti karm and complex methodology to perform that. So I am not sure that it is true in all the cases. > > >> And if it is true for Mantra recitation, then is it true for the Stotra also? > > ** It is true for stotra also. But it is essential for some stotra. For example, for persons suffering from eye diseases it is recommended to read 'Chakshush Upanishad' 12 times daily and keep some water in copper bowl. After reciting the stotra, apply some water on eyes and drink the reamining water.Person will definitely get relief within very short span of time. For Ram Raksha Stotra also it is always recommended. > > > > Best Regards > > Sunil > > > > > > > > > > , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > Thanks a lot for the useful information about Stotra recitation you have been giving. > > > > > > I also wish to ask a couple of questions about it - > > > (1) The people who live in USA and Canada, they have their rooms carpeted. Then ehere to drop the water from the palm after the Viniyog? Can it be dropped in a metal plate or bowl, and if yes then what to do of it afterwards? > > > > > > (2) I have heard that while reciting a Mantra(may be 108 times), one should keep some water in frontof him, and after recitation it should be drank. This gives btter results of the Mantra recited. Is it true? > > > > > > And if it is true for Mantra recitation, then is it true for the Stotra also? > > > > > > With regards > > > Sushma > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 Dear Members, pardon me for adding a little more on the thread. however, I feel it is approriate at the moment. I am writing this after noticing a few members commenting that they did not seem to benefit from reciting mantras even after thousands of times of repeating it. There are only two possibilities here. 1) Either it is the wrong medicine or 2) the person is doing it wrongly. The first option need not be in discussion here. The second could be given further thought. I am quoting a verse from Shreemad Bhagavath Geetha that points exactly to the similar situation. shreyo hi GYaanamabhyaasaajGYaanaaddhyaanaM vishiShyate dhyaanaatkarmaphalatyaagastyaagaacChaantiranantaram.. " Jnaana " – knowledge is better that than " abhyaasa " – practice or repetition etc and " dhyaana " is better than knowledge. Recounciation of the fruits of karma is better than dhyaana Renounciation of every thing leads to ever lasting / never ending peace. Here Lord Krishna portraits three levels which are relevant to the discussion. 1) Abhyaasa 2) Jnaana 3) Dhyaana Here Abhyaasa is exactly what most do and complain – recite 1000's of times. You can see that you are just on the first level. To step on to the next level, you must get knowledge – of what? About what you are practicing / reciting. From where? A Guru who have the knowledge and understanding and so the authority to impart that knowledge to others. Does it end there? With the gain of knowledge? No. knowing the literal meaning of verses may not do any good, which the printed text books might provide you. At times it might even sound to be mockery (I mean the meanings of stotras of sookthas etc), but they carry much deeper and inner meanings. Its is this knowledge that is referred in the next level of achievement – dhyaana – here the correct English word is contemplation and not meditation – closing ones eyes, sitting still and probably concentrating on any particular one form or on nothing as in transcendental meditation. Contemplation – deep thinking & understanding on the meaning of the mantra and its correct usage and what we have to achieve. It is by contemplation we become one with the form of that mantra / mantra devatha – understanding its true form. Unless we understand its true form, we cannot achieve anything – use it. This information will not be available in the text books. That is why it was dictated that any one cannot recite any mantra / sooktha , do poojas / rituals without proper initiation – guidance. Just take the case , You received a tool a thick flat piece of iron with hexagonal cutting on both ends – called a spanner. You carry it every day, you also get the knowledge that it used to tighten or loosen a nut. After a few days of practice and thinking, applying etc you shall master its correct usage – to apply the correct pressure and weight – not to over tight the nut etc. or the correct way to handle it when loosening a nut. It is with this proper understanding you shall achieve the best results. So also is mantra or poojas. yam yam chinthayate kaamyam tam tam prapnothi nischitam Whatever one thinks / contemplates on – " chinthayate " – " kaamyam " – one earns for, that he shall achieve for sure. The word " chinta " also refers to - always thinking about- aim, focus without determination, one cannot focus or aim. This points further, to the necessity of contemplation, determination and usage of mantra etc. So without contemplation, determination and knowledge of usage one shall not achieve anything. Finally for all this to work out one needs to have unflinching faith also. Faith is the anchor that keeps us deep rooted to our goal, from level first to the lever third because it is easy to get frustrated and let go. It is all more the reason why a guru is needed for guidance. Narendra had all the knowledge but it only when he met Shree Ramakrishna Parama Hamsa and with his touch become great Swami Vivekananda as we know him today. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dear Friends, > Though the thread brings value addition to JR,awareness of nitty,gritties is also essential as part of JR topic for discusion. > Many people talk and inform also they are doing japa for 20000 times on his and is also awaiting pacification..It is most important as Shri Suresh ji observed that purpose and determination along with devotion are important elements for remedial aspects and for expecting results out of such a difficult exercise.So knowing that "  purpose of reciting the stotra / mantra etc but essentially prayoga †" application. > Probably when we recite or intend to read from a book " Mantras, Sookthas & Veda are totally different importance is given for the vibration and changes that gets intiated and " become out of the perview of devotion " here the kind of sounds that come carry effect to set the right course of environment to give remedies and and pacify bad effects.No doubt these come as sources of knowledge > For that matter any stotram is to invoke and praise the lord and needs devotion to get the grace of lord. > But with times changing media permitting,purohits are replaced through CDs/DVD's etc.How effective they are time only has to address.But it is beyond doubt that when it is done with customs and tradition and throgh a Guru/Purohit and the benifit could be witnessed without much time lag.Also done at home and at temple through a Priest has also significance.Further diversion on these issues probably is not with in the perview of this thread. >  > One cannot do whatever one likes / could do. > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) >  > > --- On Sat, 9/12/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote: > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag > Re: Re: Stotra Recitation > > Saturday, September 12, 2009, 7:33 AM > > >  > > > > I am a little cautious about commenting on this subject. There are different acharas and depend on variety of reasons. However, the basic reasoning, meaning and application is practically same in all the tantras / agamas. >  > The “Viniyoga†means usage †" for what?. How? > The “Karishye††" means do †" what? Why? >  > Both are actually “sankalpa†but application is different. >  > The ritual of pouring water though the hand down the fingers is done only when “karishye†is uttered  (Sankalpa) and not for “Viniyog†(Prayog) >  > In fact there is more to this than merely pouring water. Unless the whole ritual is not done according to the agama / tantra, there is no point in doing it half way. >  > Either do it as prescribed or recite the stotras without accompanying rituals. >  > For example Vishnu Sahasranama could be recited without any rituals or complete with Sankalpa, nyasa, kalasha pooja, avahana, shodashopachara pooja, archana (with Sahasranama) , Avarana pooja, Arathi , naivedhya, Maha Navedhya, Maha Arathi, kshamapana prarthana etc. The rituals involved could be elaborate or simplified according to situation, custome & need. >  > I shall illustrate with example of both. > Shree Rudra >  > asya shree rudradhyaaya maha mantrasya aghora rishi: > anushtup chanda: > sankarshanamoorthis varoopo yo asaavaadithya: > paramapurusha: sa esha mrinthyunjayarudro devatha > nama: shivaayeti beejam > shivatharaayeti shakthi: > nama: somaayethi keelakam > somaskandaparameshw ara prasaadasidhyarthe VINIYOGA: >  > Here Viniyoga: means I am going to use / apply / exercise the following FOR The grace of “somaskandaparameshw araâ€. >  > In fact when reciting the above, there are other observations to be done. I already told that it is “Sankalpaâ€Â - The purpose of reciting the stotra / mantra etc but essentially prayoga †" application. Which means I have to decide why I am reciting it †" the real purpose should be visualized and born in mind. >  > The second thing is to become one with the whole being of that stotra whether it is advaitha or dwaitha. Here bear in mind that it is the higher authority that we are seeking grace from and that authority adheres to dharma alone. So I cannot be different from that authorities gunas. I have to try and become one with it. >  >  > With the above point of view, > When Rishi is mentioned, I will touch the top of my head, when chandas is mentioned, I will touch my mouth, devatha is mentioned, I will touch my heart. This is to symbolize and firmly establish myself with what I am doing or going to do. >  > Before going to the prayoga part  Achaman, pranayam  and sankalpa also should be done. The word “Karishye†is used with sankalpa and not prayoga (Viniyog). >  >  > The sankalpa could be used in a different way also.     > “achamya, prananayamya, --- > Varthamaane vyavaharike > ………naama samvatsare > ----------ayane > ----------ritau > ----------maase > ---------pakshe triteeyaam etc > ---------vaasare > Poorvokta evam guna vishesheNa vishishtaayaam > Shubha puNyathitau > Anantha kalyana gunaparipoorna ksheerabdishaayii > Shree Vishnu preeranayaa > Shree Vishnu preethyartham > Asmaakam sarveshaam sakutumbaanaam > Kshemasyaiyaayuraar oghya eishwairyaabhivridh yartham > Chaturvidha punya purushartha sidhyartham > Mama iha janmani janmaantare cha samastha > Paapakshaya poorvakam > Yaavajjeeva saumangalya vridhaye > Putra pautraadhyabhishta praapthaye > Shree swarna gauree preethyartham cha > Yathaamilithopachaa raiH gauree poojaaM KARISHYE †" (ithi sankalpam) >  > Water is poured now when the word “Karishte†is spelt. > " asmaakam " . when the sankalpa is done by the person himself - for whom it is done > other wise name etc is mentioned if the sankalpa is given by another person - prabably by purohit himself. >  > Now see the difference in usage. > Lakshmee Hridayam > Shree ganeshaya nama > Aachamya praanaanaayamya > Deshakalau samkeertya ( as above) > Shree lakshmee naraayana prasaadasidhyaa > Mamaabhishtakaamana a sidhyartham > Adhyaprabhrutya amukadinaparyantham > Samkaliikaranareeth ya > Samputeekanariitya > Purashchanareethya > Sakridaavarthana reethya vaa > Lakshmee naarayanahridaya japaakhyam karma karishye †" pour water here. >  > Itit sankalpya nyaasadi kuryaath > Asya shree mahaalakshmee hridaya maalaa mantrasya > Bhaarghava rishiH > Aadhyaadi shree mahaalakshmeerdevat ha > Anushtupaati naanaa chandaamsi > Sheerbeejam > Hreem sakthiH > Aim keelakam > Shree mahaa lakshmee prasaada sidhyarthe jape viniyogaH †" note this.. No water shoud be poured here. >  > The usage “japam aham karishye†is also wrong. “japam karishye†is enough and correct. >  > Some times the sankalpa is given and purohit does the pooja for the native if the native do not have authority / does not know / cannot do the pooja / japa etc.  Yes, do not mistake me.Japa also are and could be done by purohit for the sake of others. This is pure tantra and beyond the scope of this discussion. >  > Some of the rituals could be simplified but should conform to the basic principles of agama / tantra. One cannot do whatever one likes / could do. Excuses such as “this is what my teacher taught me†or “my father taught me†is irrelevant as far as science is concerned. >  > So also is there is nothing wrong if done with good heart. In this case, one do not require any ritual connected with agama / tantra but require only devotion. However, Mantras, Sookthas & Veda are totally different and out of the perview of devotion †" though devotion is absolutely necessary.. >  > To illustrate the point, I shaal narrate a small story from Ramayana. > Once Lord Hanuman had to fight with Lord Rama. †" a fight between the lord and devotee. >   > Lord Rama tells to Hanuman †" “You very well know who I am and the power of my arrow †" rama baaN†> Hanuman retorts back- “raam mantra is there in every pore in my body. What can raama band do†>  > This episode actually illustrates what Mantra, devotion, prayoga. Etc. >  > Shree Ramachandra arrow could not do any harm on the body of Lord Hanuman.  >  > Hope this will help all. >  >  > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy >  > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > Saturday, September 12, 2009 8:15:37 AM > Re: Re: Stotra Recitation > >  > Sunil Ji, > what a nice way of clarifying the doubts and identify difference between Viniyoagha and stotraha. > Normally Viniyogaha is water left in bowl after stotra.Water for stotra is meant for initiation and to be sacrified by putting a twig of tulasi leaves in a container and for vinyoga purpose consume through a copper/silver spoon > Stotra water can be used for suddhi and sanctification of the house too > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) >  > > --- On Fri, 9/11/09, sunilsingh20022001 <sunilsingh20022001 @ > wrote: > > sunilsingh20022001 <sunilsingh20022001 @ > > Re: Stotra Recitation > > Friday, September 11, 2009, 11:58 AM > >  > > Dear Sushma Ji, > Jaya Siyaa Raam > Please find the answers- > >>I recite Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra, Mahaamrityunjaya Stotra, and Chandrashekhar Ashtakam daily in the morning. Would you kindly tell me if I have to put water in the metal (any metal or any specific metal) bowl for these Mantra and Stotra? > ** Yes.Those are the mantra/stotra for pushti karm. You should keep the water in bowl while reciting and drink after completion of mantra/stotra. > >>I recite Raam Rakshaa Stotra also. So should I keep some water in a bowl throughout the time I recite it, then I should pour it in the roots of a tree? or drink it? > ** You should drink it. > >>By the way, is Viniyog water different and Stotra water different? > or the same water can be used for both. Like, I keep some water in a bowl. While reading the Viniyog, I should take some water in my right palm, read the Viniyog and drop it in a plate. The rest of the water should be kept for the period of reciting the whole Stotra and then - it should be drank or poured in the root of a tree? > ** Yes.Viniyoga water and stotra water is different.You should pour the water to a plant or tree which you have used for viniyoga. So You can use one plate and one bowl or two bowls.After pooja consume the water which is energised by mantra. > >>I have been reciting them for over one and half years. I have heard that Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra is good for health, but I am not seeing any improvement in my health. > ** There is no doubt that Mahamritunjaya mantra can bring good health. Use rudraksh rosary and before chanting Mahamritunjaya mantra chant vashishthha mantra 108 times- VAM VASHISHTHHAAYA NAMAH. > To get rid of your health problem you can also read ' MAYURESH STOTRA ' this would definitely give you very good result. > IMP- If you have been reading Ram Raksha Stotra then this very good time to get maximum benifit of this stotra.From 19 Sept navaratra will start. Recite Ram Raksha Stotra 11 times daily in front of photo of ram darabar ( Ram,Lakshaman, Sita, Hanuman )for nine days.Don't take onion or garlic and help to needy people to the best of your ability.Before recition of Ram raksha Stotra worship Hanuman. Read Hanuman Chalisa atleast. You will get siddhi of Ram Raksha Stotra.After navaratra you should read that stotra once as usual. > Best Regards > Sunil > > , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Sunil JI > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > I am so grateful to you for your quick reply. Your this reply has arisen a few questions more about Mantra ans Stotra -- > > > > (1) I recite Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra, Mahaamrityunjaya Stotra, and Chandrashekhar Ashtakam daily in the morning. Would you kindly tell me if I have to put water in the metal (any metal or any specific metal) bowl for these Mantra and Stotra? > > > > (2) I recite Raam Rakshaa Stotra also. So should I keep some water in a bowl throughout the time I recite it, then I should pour it in the roots of a tree? or drink it? > > > > By the way, is Viniyog water different and Stotra water different? > > or the same water can be used for both. Like, I keep some water in a bowl.. While reading the Viniyog, I should take some water in my right palm, read the Viniyog and drop it in a plate. The rest of the water should be kept for the period of reciting the whole Stotra and then - it should be drank or poured in the root of a tree? > > > > Please guide me in detail so that I can get maximum benefits of these Mantra and Stotra. I will be so grateful to you. I have been reciting them for over one and half years. I have heard that Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra is good for health, but I am not seeing any improvement in my health. > > Thanks and with all my regards to you > > Sushma > > > > > > > > , " sunilsingh20022001 " <sunilsingh20022001 @> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sushma Ji, > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > Please Find the answers- > > > >>(1) The people who live in USA and Canada, they have their rooms carpeted. Then ehere to drop the water from the palm after the Viniyog? Can it be dropped in a metal plate or bowl, and if yes then what to do of it afterwards? > > > ** Yes, You can drop in plate or bowl.Then after pooja, pour that water to some plant or tree. > > > >> (2) I have heard that while reciting a Mantra(may be 108 times), one should keep some water in frontof him, and after recitation it should be drank. This gives btter results of the Mantra recited. Is it true? > > > ** It is always true for the mantra that you are chanting for 'Pushti Karm'(means to strenghthen yourself). But there are many types of mantras and prayog other than pushti karm and complex methodology to perform that. So I am not sure that it is true in all the cases. > > > >> And if it is true for Mantra recitation, then is it true for the Stotra also? > > > ** It is true for stotra also. But it is essential for some stotra. For example, for persons suffering from eye diseases it is recommended to read 'Chakshush Upanishad' 12 times daily and keep some water in copper bowl. After reciting the stotra, apply some water on eyes and drink the reamining water.Person will definitely get relief within very short span of time. For Ram Raksha Stotra also it is always recommended. > > > > > > Best Regards > > > Sunil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > > Thanks a lot for the useful information about Stotra recitation you have been giving. > > > > > > > > I also wish to ask a couple of questions about it - > > > > (1) The people who live in USA and Canada, they have their rooms carpeted. Then ehere to drop the water from the palm after the Viniyog? Can it be dropped in a metal plate or bowl, and if yes then what to do of it afterwards? > > > > > > > > (2) I have heard that while reciting a Mantra(may be 108 times), one should keep some water in frontof him, and after recitation it should be drank. This gives btter results of the Mantra recited. Is it true? > > > > > > > > And if it is true for Mantra recitation, then is it true for the Stotra also? > > > > > > > > With regards > > > > Sushma > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 Prannam suresh babu ji , Can you explain me the meaning of these mantras .. It is called as karthaveeryajuno mantras .. It is as " " Karthaveeryajuno naama raja , bahu sahasravaan, tasya samrnadevo , rutham nastham cha labhyate . " " " " Om praum chreem vroum jaam shrim kroum aim hroum hum phat kaartaaviryarjunaay swaha " " . Plz suresh babuji if u know anything about this mantras plz explain .. An astrologer told me to recite this mantra 108 times a day .. This mantra is for - if ur some specific thing is lost or anybody have grabed your things and not giving you back this mantra would be use ful to you that's what an astrologer told me .. I don't doubt the astrologer .. But i just want to know the meaning of these mantras .. Plz help me suresh babuji if u know the meaning of these mantras .. I allso ask the help from the members of this forum who are learned astrologers to help me with the meaning of these mantras .. Thanking you Jesal sagar . Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag Sat, 12 Sep 2009 19:11:45 Re: Stotra Recitation Dear Members, pardon me for adding a little more on the thread. however, I feel it is approriate at the moment. I am writing this after noticing a few members commenting that they did not seem to benefit from reciting mantras even after thousands of times of repeating it. There are only two possibilities here. 1) Either it is the wrong medicine or 2) the person is doing it wrongly. The first option need not be in discussion here. The second could be given further thought. I am quoting a verse from Shreemad Bhagavath Geetha that points exactly to the similar situation. shreyo hi GYaanamabhyaasaajGYaanaaddhyaanaM vishiShyate dhyaanaatkarmaphalatyaagastyaagaacChaantiranantaram.. " Jnaana " – knowledge is better that than " abhyaasa " – practice or repetition etc and " dhyaana " is better than knowledge. Recounciation of the fruits of karma is better than dhyaana Renounciation of every thing leads to ever lasting / never ending peace. Here Lord Krishna portraits three levels which are relevant to the discussion. 1) Abhyaasa 2) Jnaana 3) Dhyaana Here Abhyaasa is exactly what most do and complain – recite 1000's of times. You can see that you are just on the first level. To step on to the next level, you must get knowledge – of what? About what you are practicing / reciting. From where? A Guru who have the knowledge and understanding and so the authority to impart that knowledge to others. Does it end there? With the gain of knowledge? No. knowing the literal meaning of verses may not do any good, which the printed text books might provide you. At times it might even sound to be mockery (I mean the meanings of stotras of sookthas etc), but they carry much deeper and inner meanings. Its is this knowledge that is referred in the next level of achievement – dhyaana – here the correct English word is contemplation and not meditation – closing ones eyes, sitting still and probably concentrating on any particular one form or on nothing as in transcendental meditation. Contemplation – deep thinking & understanding on the meaning of the mantra and its correct usage and what we have to achieve. It is by contemplation we become one with the form of that mantra / mantra devatha – understanding its true form. Unless we understand its true form, we cannot achieve anything – use it. This information will not be available in the text books. That is why it was dictated that any one cannot recite any mantra / sooktha , do poojas / rituals without proper initiation – guidance. Just take the case , You received a tool a thick flat piece of iron with hexagonal cutting on both ends – called a spanner. You carry it every day, you also get the knowledge that it used to tighten or loosen a nut. After a few days of practice and thinking, applying etc you shall master its correct usage – to apply the correct pressure and weight – not to over tight the nut etc. or the correct way to handle it when loosening a nut. It is with this proper understanding you shall achieve the best results. So also is mantra or poojas. yam yam chinthayate kaamyam tam tam prapnothi nischitam Whatever one thinks / contemplates on – " chinthayate " – " kaamyam " – one earns for, that he shall achieve for sure. The word " chinta " also refers to - always thinking about- aim, focus without determination, one cannot focus or aim. This points further, to the necessity of contemplation, determination and usage of mantra etc. So without contemplation, determination and knowledge of usage one shall not achieve anything. Finally for all this to work out one needs to have unflinching faith also. Faith is the anchor that keeps us deep rooted to our goal, from level first to the lever third because it is easy to get frustrated and let go. It is all more the reason why a guru is needed for guidance. Narendra had all the knowledge but it only when he met Shree Ramakrishna Parama Hamsa and with his touch become great Swami Vivekananda as we know him today. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dear Friends, > Though the thread brings value addition to JR,awareness of nitty,gritties is also essential as part of JR topic for discusion. > Many people talk and inform also they are doing japa for 20000 times on his and is also awaiting pacification..It is most important as Shri Suresh ji observed that purpose and determination along with devotion are important elements for remedial aspects and for expecting results out of such a difficult exercise.So knowing that "  purpose of reciting the stotra / mantra etc but essentially prayoga †" application. > Probably when we recite or intend to read from a book " Mantras, Sookthas & Veda are totally different importance is given for the vibration and changes that gets intiated and " become out of the perview of devotion " here the kind of sounds that come carry effect to set the right course of environment to give remedies and and pacify bad effects.No doubt these come as sources of knowledge > For that matter any stotram is to invoke and praise the lord and needs devotion to get the grace of lord. > But with times changing media permitting,purohits are replaced through CDs/DVD's etc.How effective they are time only has to address.But it is beyond doubt that when it is done with customs and tradition and throgh a Guru/Purohit and the benifit could be witnessed without much time lag.Also done at home and at temple through a Priest has also significance.Further diversion on these issues probably is not with in the perview of this thread. >  > One cannot do whatever one likes / could do. > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) >  > > --- On Sat, 9/12/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote: > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag > Re: Re: Stotra Recitation > > Saturday, September 12, 2009, 7:33 AM > > >  > > > > I am a little cautious about commenting on this subject. There are different acharas and depend on variety of reasons. However, the basic reasoning, meaning and application is practically same in all the tantras / agamas. >  > The “Viniyoga†means usage †" for what?. How? > The “Karishye†â€ " means do †" what? Why? >  > Both are actually “sankalpa†but application is different. >  > The ritual of pouring water though the hand down the fingers is done only when “karishye†is uttered  (Sankalpa) and not for “Viniyog†(Prayog) >  > In fact there is more to this than merely pouring water. Unless the whole ritual is not done according to the agama / tantra, there is no point in doing it half way. >  > Either do it as prescribed or recite the stotras without accompanying rituals. >  > For example Vishnu Sahasranama could be recited without any rituals or complete with Sankalpa, nyasa, kalasha pooja, avahana, shodashopachara pooja, archana (with Sahasranama) , Avarana pooja, Arathi , naivedhya, Maha Navedhya, Maha Arathi, kshamapana prarthana etc. The rituals involved could be elaborate or simplified according to situation, custome & need. >  > I shall illustrate with example of both. > Shree Rudra >  > asya shree rudradhyaaya maha mantrasya aghora rishi: > anushtup chanda: > sankarshanamoorthis varoopo yo asaavaadithya: > paramapurusha: sa esha mrinthyunjayarudro devatha > nama: shivaayeti beejam > shivatharaayeti shakthi: > nama: somaayethi keelakam > somaskandaparameshw ara prasaadasidhyarthe VINIYOGA: >  > Here Viniyoga: means I am going to use / apply / exercise the following FOR The grace of “somaskandaparameshw araâ€Â. >  > In fact when reciting the above, there are other observations to be done. I already told that it is “Sankalpaâ€Â - The purpose of reciting the stotra / mantra etc but essentially prayoga †" application. Which means I have to decide why I am reciting it †" the real purpose should be visualized and born in mind. >  > The second thing is to become one with the whole being of that stotra whether it is advaitha or dwaitha. Here bear in mind that it is the higher authority that we are seeking grace from and that authority adheres to dharma alone. So I cannot be different from that authorities gunas. I have to try and become one with it. >  >  > With the above point of view, > When Rishi is mentioned, I will touch the top of my head, when chandas is mentioned, I will touch my mouth, devatha is mentioned, I will touch my heart. This is to symbolize and firmly establish myself with what I am doing or going to do. >  > Before going to the prayoga part  Achaman, pranayam  and sankalpa also should be done. The word “Karishye†is used with sankalpa and not prayoga (Viniyog). >  >  > The sankalpa could be used in a different way also.     > “achamya, prananayamya, --- > Varthamaane vyavaharike > ………naama samvatsare > ----------ayane > ----------ritau > ----------maase > ---------pakshe triteeyaam etc > ---------vaasare > Poorvokta evam guna vishesheNa vishishtaayaam > Shubha puNyathitau > Anantha kalyana gunaparipoorna ksheerabdishaayii > Shree Vishnu preeranayaa > Shree Vishnu preethyartham > Asmaakam sarveshaam sakutumbaanaam > Kshemasyaiyaayuraar oghya eishwairyaabhivridh yartham > Chaturvidha punya purushartha sidhyartham > Mama iha janmani janmaantare cha samastha > Paapakshaya poorvakam > Yaavajjeeva saumangalya vridhaye > Putra pautraadhyabhishta praapthaye > Shree swarna gauree preethyartham cha > Yathaamilithopachaa raiH gauree poojaaM KARISHYE †" (ithi sankalpam) >  > Water is poured now when the word “Karishte†is spelt. > " asmaakam " . when the sankalpa is done by the person himself - for whom it is done > other wise name etc is mentioned if the sankalpa is given by another person - prabably by purohit himself. >  > Now see the difference in usage. > Lakshmee Hridayam > Shree ganeshaya nama > Aachamya praanaanaayamya > Deshakalau samkeertya ( as above) > Shree lakshmee naraayana prasaadasidhyaa > Mamaabhishtakaamana a sidhyartham > Adhyaprabhrutya amukadinaparyantham > Samkaliikaranareeth ya > Samputeekanariitya > Purashchanareethya > Sakridaavarthana reethya vaa > Lakshmee naarayanahridaya japaakhyam karma karishye †" pour water here. >  > Itit sankalpya nyaasadi kuryaath > Asya shree mahaalakshmee hridaya maalaa mantrasya > Bhaarghava rishiH > Aadhyaadi shree mahaalakshmeerdevat ha > Anushtupaati naanaa chandaamsi > Sheerbeejam > Hreem sakthiH > Aim keelakam > Shree mahaa lakshmee prasaada sidhyarthe jape viniyogaH †" note this.. No water shoud be poured here. >  > The usage “japam aham karishye†is also wrong. “japam karishye†is enough and correct. >  > Some times the sankalpa is given and purohit does the pooja for the native if the native do not have authority / does not know / cannot do the pooja / japa etc.  Yes, do not mistake me.Japa also are and could be done by purohit for the sake of others. This is pure tantra and beyond the scope of this discussion. >  > Some of the rituals could be simplified but should conform to the basic principles of agama / tantra. One cannot do whatever one likes / could do. Excuses such as “this is what my teacher taught me†or “my father taught me†is irrelevant as far as science is concerned. >  > So also is there is nothing wrong if done with good heart. In this case, one do not require any ritual connected with agama / tantra but require only devotion. However, Mantras, Sookthas & Veda are totally different and out of the perview of devotion †" though devotion is absolutely necessary.. >  > To illustrate the point, I shaal narrate a small story from Ramayana. > Once Lord Hanuman had to fight with Lord Rama. †" a fight between the lord and devotee. >   > Lord Rama tells to Hanuman †" “You very well know who I am and the power of my arrow †" rama baaN†> Hanuman retorts back- “raam mantra is there in every pore in my body. What can raama band do†>  > This episode actually illustrates what Mantra, devotion, prayoga. Etc. >  > Shree Ramachandra arrow could not do any harm on the body of Lord Hanuman.  >  > Hope this will help all. >  >  > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy >  > >________________________________ > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > Saturday, September 12, 2009 8:15:37 AM > Re: Re: Stotra Recitation > >  > Sunil Ji, > what a nice way of clarifying the doubts and identify difference between Viniyoagha and stotraha. > Normally Viniyogaha is water left in bowl after stotra.Water for stotra is meant for initiation and to be sacrified by putting a twig of tulasi leaves in a container and for vinyoga purpose consume through a copper/silver spoon > Stotra water can be used for suddhi and sanctification of the house too > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) >  > > --- On Fri, 9/11/09, sunilsingh20022001 <sunilsingh20022001 @ > wrote: > > sunilsingh20022001 <sunilsingh20022001 @ > > Re: Stotra Recitation > > Friday, September 11, 2009, 11:58 AM > >  > > Dear Sushma Ji, > Jaya Siyaa Raam > Please find the answers- > >>I recite Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra, Mahaamrityunjaya Stotra, and Chandrashekhar Ashtakam daily in the morning. Would you kindly tell me if I have to put water in the metal (any metal or any specific metal) bowl for these Mantra and Stotra? > ** Yes.Those are the mantra/stotra for pushti karm. You should keep the water in bowl while reciting and drink after completion of mantra/stotra. > >>I recite Raam Rakshaa Stotra also. So should I keep some water in a bowl throughout the time I recite it, then I should pour it in the roots of a tree? or drink it? > ** You should drink it. > >>By the way, is Viniyog water different and Stotra water different? > or the same water can be used for both. Like, I keep some water in a bowl. While reading the Viniyog, I should take some water in my right palm, read the Viniyog and drop it in a plate. The rest of the water should be kept for the period of reciting the whole Stotra and then - it should be drank or poured in the root of a tree? > ** Yes.Viniyoga water and stotra water is different.You should pour the water to a plant or tree which you have used for viniyoga. So You can use one plate and one bowl or two bowls.After pooja consume the water which is energised by mantra. > >>I have been reciting them for over one and half years. I have heard that Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra is good for health, but I am not seeing any improvement in my health. > ** There is no doubt that Mahamritunjaya mantra can bring good health. Use rudraksh rosary and before chanting Mahamritunjaya mantra chant vashishthha mantra 108 times- VAM VASHISHTHHAAYA NAMAH. > To get rid of your health problem you can also read ' MAYURESH STOTRA ' this would definitely give you very good result. > IMP- If you have been reading Ram Raksha Stotra then this very good time to get maximum benifit of this stotra.From 19 Sept navaratra will start. Recite Ram Raksha Stotra 11 times daily in front of photo of ram darabar ( Ram,Lakshaman, Sita, Hanuman )for nine days.Don't take onion or garlic and help to needy people to the best of your ability.Before recition of Ram raksha Stotra worship Hanuman. Read Hanuman Chalisa atleast. You will get siddhi of Ram Raksha Stotra.After navaratra you should read that stotra once as usual. > Best Regards > Sunil > > , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Sunil JI > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > I am so grateful to you for your quick reply. Your this reply has arisen a few questions more about Mantra ans Stotra -- > > > > (1) I recite Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra, Mahaamrityunjaya Stotra, and Chandrashekhar Ashtakam daily in the morning. Would you kindly tell me if I have to put water in the metal (any metal or any specific metal) bowl for these Mantra and Stotra? > > > > (2) I recite Raam Rakshaa Stotra also. So should I keep some water in a bowl throughout the time I recite it, then I should pour it in the roots of a tree? or drink it? > > > > By the way, is Viniyog water different and Stotra water different? > > or the same water can be used for both. Like, I keep some water in a bowl.. While reading the Viniyog, I should take some water in my right palm, read the Viniyog and drop it in a plate. The rest of the water should be kept for the period of reciting the whole Stotra and then - it should be drank or poured in the root of a tree? > > > > Please guide me in detail so that I can get maximum benefits of these Mantra and Stotra. I will be so grateful to you. I have been reciting them for over one and half years. I have heard that Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra is good for health, but I am not seeing any improvement in my health. > > Thanks and with all my regards to you > > Sushma > > > > > > > > , " sunilsingh20022001 " <sunilsingh20022001 @> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sushma Ji, > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > Please Find the answers- > > > >>(1) The people who live in USA and Canada, they have their rooms carpeted. Then ehere to drop the water from the palm after the Viniyog? Can it be dropped in a metal plate or bowl, and if yes then what to do of it afterwards? > > > ** Yes, You can drop in plate or bowl.Then after pooja, pour that water to some plant or tree. > > > >> (2) I have heard that while reciting a Mantra(may be 108 times), one should keep some water in frontof him, and after recitation it should be drank. This gives btter results of the Mantra recited. Is it true? > > > ** It is always true for the mantra that you are chanting for 'Pushti Karm'(means to strenghthen yourself). But there are many types of mantras and prayog other than pushti karm and complex methodology to perform that. So I am not sure that it is true in all the cases. > > > >> And if it is true for Mantra recitation, then is it true for the Stotra also? > > > ** It is true for stotra also. But it is essential for some stotra. For example, for persons suffering from eye diseases it is recommended to read 'Chakshush Upanishad' 12 times daily and keep some water in copper bowl. After reciting the stotra, apply some water on eyes and drink the reamining water.Person will definitely get relief within very short span of time. For Ram Raksha Stotra also it is always recommended. > > > > > > Best Regards > > > Sunil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > > Thanks a lot for the useful information about Stotra recitation you have been giving. > > > > > > > > I also wish to ask a couple of questions about it - > > > > (1) The people who live in USA and Canada, they have their rooms carpeted. Then ehere to drop the water from the palm after the Viniyog? Can it be dropped in a metal plate or bowl, and if yes then what to do of it afterwards? > > > > > > > > (2) I have heard that while reciting a Mantra(may be 108 times), one should keep some water in frontof him, and after recitation it should be drank. This gives btter results of the Mantra recited. Is it true? > > > > > > > > And if it is true for Mantra recitation, then is it true for the Stotra also? > > > > > > > > With regards > > > > Sushma > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 Thank you, Thank you, Thank you Sunil Ji so much. Vattem Krishnan has rightly described your method of explaining the things that it is indeed a nice way. I am sorry to ask so many questions, but I appreciate your patience to reply me and the method of explaining the things. Since I live outside India, and I have nobody to ask, I will again appreciate your guidance in this regard, please teach me the things to do in a right way -- (1) I wanted to say, step by step - that I can bring a big bowl of water beforee I sit for my Poojaa, along with 2-3-4 empty bowls. (2) So first I should read Hanumaan Chaaleesaa and then RR Stotra. In fact I was already reading Chaaleesaa but only after RR Stotra, because I had heard that Hanumaan Jee is pleased when somebody worships Raam first, that is why I was reading RR Stotra first and then Chaaleesaa, Hanumaanaashtak and Baan. But since you say that I shoud read Chaaleesaa first, so from tomorow I will read Chaaleesaa first and then RR Stotra. (3) So as first I will read Raam Rakshaa Stotra Viniyog, I take water in my hand from the bog bowl and pour it in an empty bowl after reading the Viniyog. I should later pour it in the root of tree. Then I take another water from the big bowl in another small bowl, put one leaf of Tulasee in it, read the actual Stotra, and drink it after the Stotra recitation. (2) After this I will do Vashishth Manra Jaap 108 times, then Mrityunjaya Mantra Jaap 108 times. Do I need to keep watewr for both the Mantra separately? And drink it after I finish each of them separately? (3) After this I will read Mritunjaya Stotra. It does not have any Viniyog, so no pouring of water; only Dhyaan is there, then Stotra and then only Phal Shruti. So before starting it I should keep some water from that big bowl into small bowl, and after reading Phal Shruti I should drink it? (4) About Siddhi - I will read RR Stotra this Navraatri. But then what will Siddhi of RR Stotra do for me? How can I use it? And as you say, it is not necessary to read Viniyog all the 11 times. Only once is enough, and after reading it 11 times drink the water? I will surely look for the Mayuresh Stotra. By the way whose Stotra it is? And its recitation method is the same as for other Stotra? I look forward to receive your kind reply and guidance I am so grateful for this guidance, nobody else told me all this before. Thanks and with all my due regards Sushma , " sunilsingh20022001 " <sunilsingh20022001 wrote: > > Dear Sushma Ji, > Jaya Siyaa Raam > Please find the answers- > >>I recite Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra, Mahaamrityunjaya Stotra, and Chandrashekhar Ashtakam daily in the morning. Would you kindly tell me if I have to put water in the metal (any metal or any specific metal) bowl for these Mantra and Stotra? > ** Yes.Those are the mantra/stotra for pushti karm. You should keep the water in bowl while reciting and drink after completion of mantra/stotra. > >>I recite Raam Rakshaa Stotra also. So should I keep some water in a bowl throughout the time I recite it, then I should pour it in the roots of a tree? or drink it? > ** You should drink it. > >>By the way, is Viniyog water different and Stotra water different? > or the same water can be used for both. Like, I keep some water in a bowl. While reading the Viniyog, I should take some water in my right palm, read the Viniyog and drop it in a plate. The rest of the water should be kept for the period of reciting the whole Stotra and then - it should be drank or poured in the root of a tree? > ** Yes.Viniyoga water and stotra water is different.You should pour the water to a plant or tree which you have used for viniyoga. So You can use one plate and one bowl or two bowls.After pooja consume the water which is energised by mantra. > >>I have been reciting them for over one and half years. I have heard that Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra is good for health, but I am not seeing any improvement in my health. > ** There is no doubt that Mahamritunjaya mantra can bring good health. Use rudraksh rosary and before chanting Mahamritunjaya mantra chant vashishthha mantra 108 times- VAM VASHISHTHHAAYA NAMAH. > To get rid of your health problem you can also read ' MAYURESH STOTRA ' this would definitely give you very good result. > IMP- If you have been reading Ram Raksha Stotra then this very good time to get maximum benifit of this stotra.From 19 Sept navaratra will start. Recite Ram Raksha Stotra 11 times daily in front of photo of ram darabar ( Ram,Lakshaman, Sita, Hanuman )for nine days.Don't take onion or garlic and help to needy people to the best of your ability.Before recition of Ram raksha Stotra worship Hanuman. Read Hanuman Chalisa atleast. You will get siddhi of Ram Raksha Stotra.After navaratra you should read that stotra once as usual. > Best Regards > Sunil > > > > , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sunil JI > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > I am so grateful to you for your quick reply. Your this reply has arisen a few questions more about Mantra ans Stotra -- > > > > (1) I recite Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra, Mahaamrityunjaya Stotra, and Chandrashekhar Ashtakam daily in the morning. Would you kindly tell me if I have to put water in the metal (any metal or any specific metal) bowl for these Mantra and Stotra? > > > > (2) I recite Raam Rakshaa Stotra also. So should I keep some water in a bowl throughout the time I recite it, then I should pour it in the roots of a tree? or drink it? > > > > By the way, is Viniyog water different and Stotra water different? > > or the same water can be used for both. Like, I keep some water in a bowl. While reading the Viniyog, I should take some water in my right palm, read the Viniyog and drop it in a plate. The rest of the water should be kept for the period of reciting the whole Stotra and then - it should be drank or poured in the root of a tree? > > > > Please guide me in detail so that I can get maximum benefits of these Mantra and Stotra. I will be so grateful to you. I have been reciting them for over one and half years. I have heard that Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra is good for health, but I am not seeing any improvement in my health. > > Thanks and with all my regards to you > > Sushma > > > > > > > > , " sunilsingh20022001 " <sunilsingh20022001@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sushma Ji, > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > Please Find the answers- > > > >>(1) The people who live in USA and Canada, they have their rooms carpeted. Then ehere to drop the water from the palm after the Viniyog? Can it be dropped in a metal plate or bowl, and if yes then what to do of it afterwards? > > > ** Yes, You can drop in plate or bowl.Then after pooja, pour that water to some plant or tree. > > > >> (2) I have heard that while reciting a Mantra(may be 108 times), one should keep some water in frontof him, and after recitation it should be drank. This gives btter results of the Mantra recited. Is it true? > > > ** It is always true for the mantra that you are chanting for 'Pushti Karm'(means to strenghthen yourself). But there are many types of mantras and prayog other than pushti karm and complex methodology to perform that. So I am not sure that it is true in all the cases. > > > >> And if it is true for Mantra recitation, then is it true for the Stotra also? > > > ** It is true for stotra also. But it is essential for some stotra. For example, for persons suffering from eye diseases it is recommended to read 'Chakshush Upanishad' 12 times daily and keep some water in copper bowl. After reciting the stotra, apply some water on eyes and drink the reamining water.Person will definitely get relief within very short span of time. For Ram Raksha Stotra also it is always recommended. > > > > > > Best Regards > > > Sunil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > > Thanks a lot for the useful information about Stotra recitation you have been giving. > > > > > > > > I also wish to ask a couple of questions about it - > > > > (1) The people who live in USA and Canada, they have their rooms carpeted. Then ehere to drop the water from the palm after the Viniyog? Can it be dropped in a metal plate or bowl, and if yes then what to do of it afterwards? > > > > > > > > (2) I have heard that while reciting a Mantra(may be 108 times), one should keep some water in frontof him, and after recitation it should be drank. This gives btter results of the Mantra recited. Is it true? > > > > > > > > And if it is true for Mantra recitation, then is it true for the Stotra also? > > > > > > > > With regards > > > > Sushma > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 Dear Suresh Babu Ji Thanks a lot for posting this. It is really a complex thing. People like us can get easily confused because of lack of profssional knowledge. Whenever I discuss this Mantra subject with some specialist, I get some new information and get more confused and start thinking that we ordinary people can never recite Mantra or Stotra, because everytime there will be some mistake in it. I don't know what to do for this? With regards Sushma , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > I am a little cautious about commenting on this subject. There are different acharas and depend on variety of reasons. However, the basic reasoning, meaning and application is practically same in all the tantras / agamas. >  > The “Viniyoga†means usage †" for what?. How? > The “Karishye††" means do †" what? Why? >  > Both are actually “sankalpa†but application is different. >  > The ritual of pouring water though the hand down the fingers is done only when “karishye†is uttered  (Sankalpa) and not for “Viniyog†(Prayog) >  > In fact there is more to this than merely pouring water. Unless the whole ritual is not done according to the agama / tantra, there is no point in doing it half way. >  > Either do it as prescribed or recite the stotras without accompanying rituals. >  > For example Vishnu Sahasranama could be recited without any rituals or complete with Sankalpa, nyasa, kalasha pooja, avahana, shodashopachara pooja, archana (with Sahasranama), Avarana pooja, Arathi , naivedhya, Maha Navedhya, Maha Arathi, kshamapana prarthana etc. The rituals involved could be elaborate or simplified according to situation, custome & need. >  > I shall illustrate with example of both. > Shree Rudra >  > asya shree rudradhyaaya maha mantrasya aghora rishi: > anushtup chanda: > sankarshanamoorthisvaroopo yo asaavaadithya: > paramapurusha: sa esha mrinthyunjayarudro devatha > nama: shivaayeti beejam > shivatharaayeti shakthi: > nama: somaayethi keelakam > somaskandaparameshwara prasaadasidhyarthe VINIYOGA: >  > Here Viniyoga: means I am going to use / apply / exercise the following FOR The grace of “somaskandaparameshwaraâ€. >  > In fact when reciting the above, there are other observations to be done. I already told that it is “Sankalpaâ€Â - The purpose of reciting the stotra / mantra etc but essentially prayoga †" application. Which means I have to decide why I am reciting it †" the real purpose should be visualized and born in mind. >  > The second thing is to become one with the whole being of that stotra whether it is advaitha or dwaitha. Here bear in mind that it is the higher authority that we are seeking grace from and that authority adheres to dharma alone. So I cannot be different from that authorities gunas. I have to try and become one with it. >  >  > With the above point of view, > When Rishi is mentioned, I will touch the top of my head, when chandas is mentioned, I will touch my mouth, devatha is mentioned, I will touch my heart. This is to symbolize and firmly establish myself with what I am doing or going to do. >  > Before going to the prayoga part  Achaman, pranayam  and sankalpa also should be done. The word “Karishye†is used with sankalpa and not prayoga (Viniyog). >  >  > The sankalpa could be used in a different way also.     > “achamya, prananayamya,--- > Varthamaane vyavaharike > ………naama samvatsare > ----------ayane > ----------ritau > ----------maase > ---------pakshe triteeyaam etc > ---------vaasare > Poorvokta evam guna vishesheNa vishishtaayaam > Shubha puNyathitau > Anantha kalyana gunaparipoorna ksheerabdishaayii > Shree Vishnu preeranayaa > Shree Vishnu preethyartham > Asmaakam sarveshaam sakutumbaanaam > Kshemasyaiyaayuraaroghya eishwairyaabhivridhyartham > Chaturvidha punya purushartha sidhyartham > Mama iha janmani janmaantare cha samastha > Paapakshaya poorvakam > Yaavajjeeva saumangalya vridhaye > Putra pautraadhyabhishta praapthaye > Shree swarna gauree preethyartham cha > YathaamilithopachaaraiH gauree poojaaM KARISHYE †" (ithi sankalpam) >  > Water is poured now when the word “Karishte†is spelt. > " asmaakam " . when the sankalpa is done by the person himself - for whom it is done > other wise name etc is mentioned if the sankalpa is given by another person - prabably by purohit himself. >  > Now see the difference in usage. > Lakshmee Hridayam > Shree ganeshaya nama > Aachamya praanaanaayamya > Deshakalau samkeertya ( as above) > Shree lakshmee naraayana prasaadasidhyaa > Mamaabhishtakaamanaa sidhyartham > Adhyaprabhrutya amukadinaparyantham > Samkaliikaranareethya > Samputeekanariitya > Purashchanareethya > Sakridaavarthana reethya vaa > Lakshmee naarayanahridaya japaakhyam karma karishye †" pour water here. >  > Itit sankalpya nyaasadi kuryaath > Asya shree mahaalakshmee hridaya maalaa mantrasya > Bhaarghava rishiH > Aadhyaadi shree mahaalakshmeerdevatha > Anushtupaati naanaa chandaamsi > Sheerbeejam > Hreem sakthiH > Aim keelakam > Shree mahaa lakshmee prasaada sidhyarthe jape viniyogaH †" note this. No water shoud be poured here. >  > The usage “japam aham karishye†is also wrong. “japam karishye†is enough and correct. >  > Some times the sankalpa is given and purohit does the pooja for the native if the native do not have authority / does not know / cannot do the pooja / japa etc.  Yes, do not mistake me.Japa also are and could be done by purohit for the sake of others. This is pure tantra and beyond the scope of this discussion. >  > Some of the rituals could be simplified but should conform to the basic principles of agama / tantra. One cannot do whatever one likes / could do. Excuses such as “this is what my teacher taught me†or “my father taught me†is irrelevant as far as science is concerned. >  > So also is there is nothing wrong if done with good heart. In this case, one do not require any ritual connected with agama / tantra but require only devotion. However, Mantras, Sookthas & Veda are totally different and out of the perview of devotion †" though devotion is absolutely necessary. >  > To illustrate the point, I shaal narrate a small story from Ramayana. > Once Lord Hanuman had to fight with Lord Rama. †" a fight between the lord and devotee. >   > Lord Rama tells to Hanuman †" “You very well know who I am and the power of my arrow †" rama baaN†> Hanuman retorts back- “raam mantra is there in every pore in my body. What can raama band do†>  > This episode actually illustrates what Mantra, devotion, prayoga. Etc. >  > Shree Ramachandra arrow could not do any harm on the body of Lord Hanuman.  >  > Hope this will help all. >  >  > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy >  > > > ________________________________ > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > Saturday, September 12, 2009 8:15:37 AM > Re: Re: Stotra Recitation > >  > Sunil Ji, > what a nice way of clarifying the doubts and identify difference between Viniyoagha and stotraha. > Normally Viniyogaha is water left in bowl after stotra.Water for stotra is meant for initiation and to be sacrified by putting a twig of tulasi leaves in a container and for vinyoga purpose consume through a copper/silver spoon > Stotra water can be used for suddhi and sanctification of the house too > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) >  > > --- On Fri, 9/11/09, sunilsingh20022001 <sunilsingh20022001@ > wrote: > > sunilsingh20022001 <sunilsingh20022001@ > > Re: Stotra Recitation > > Friday, September 11, 2009, 11:58 AM > >  > > Dear Sushma Ji, > Jaya Siyaa Raam > Please find the answers- > >>I recite Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra, Mahaamrityunjaya Stotra, and Chandrashekhar Ashtakam daily in the morning. Would you kindly tell me if I have to put water in the metal (any metal or any specific metal) bowl for these Mantra and Stotra? > ** Yes.Those are the mantra/stotra for pushti karm. You should keep the water in bowl while reciting and drink after completion of mantra/stotra. > >>I recite Raam Rakshaa Stotra also. So should I keep some water in a bowl throughout the time I recite it, then I should pour it in the roots of a tree? or drink it? > ** You should drink it. > >>By the way, is Viniyog water different and Stotra water different? > or the same water can be used for both. Like, I keep some water in a bowl. While reading the Viniyog, I should take some water in my right palm, read the Viniyog and drop it in a plate. The rest of the water should be kept for the period of reciting the whole Stotra and then - it should be drank or poured in the root of a tree? > ** Yes.Viniyoga water and stotra water is different.You should pour the water to a plant or tree which you have used for viniyoga. So You can use one plate and one bowl or two bowls.After pooja consume the water which is energised by mantra. > >>I have been reciting them for over one and half years. I have heard that Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra is good for health, but I am not seeing any improvement in my health. > ** There is no doubt that Mahamritunjaya mantra can bring good health. Use rudraksh rosary and before chanting Mahamritunjaya mantra chant vashishthha mantra 108 times- VAM VASHISHTHHAAYA NAMAH. > To get rid of your health problem you can also read ' MAYURESH STOTRA ' this would definitely give you very good result. > IMP- If you have been reading Ram Raksha Stotra then this very good time to get maximum benifit of this stotra.From 19 Sept navaratra will start. Recite Ram Raksha Stotra 11 times daily in front of photo of ram darabar ( Ram,Lakshaman, Sita, Hanuman )for nine days.Don't take onion or garlic and help to needy people to the best of your ability.Before recition of Ram raksha Stotra worship Hanuman. Read Hanuman Chalisa atleast. You will get siddhi of Ram Raksha Stotra.After navaratra you should read that stotra once as usual. > Best Regards > Sunil > > , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Sunil JI > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > I am so grateful to you for your quick reply. Your this reply has arisen a few questions more about Mantra ans Stotra -- > > > > (1) I recite Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra, Mahaamrityunjaya Stotra, and Chandrashekhar Ashtakam daily in the morning. Would you kindly tell me if I have to put water in the metal (any metal or any specific metal) bowl for these Mantra and Stotra? > > > > (2) I recite Raam Rakshaa Stotra also. So should I keep some water in a bowl throughout the time I recite it, then I should pour it in the roots of a tree? or drink it? > > > > By the way, is Viniyog water different and Stotra water different? > > or the same water can be used for both. Like, I keep some water in a bowl. While reading the Viniyog, I should take some water in my right palm, read the Viniyog and drop it in a plate. The rest of the water should be kept for the period of reciting the whole Stotra and then - it should be drank or poured in the root of a tree? > > > > Please guide me in detail so that I can get maximum benefits of these Mantra and Stotra. I will be so grateful to you. I have been reciting them for over one and half years. I have heard that Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra is good for health, but I am not seeing any improvement in my health. > > Thanks and with all my regards to you > > Sushma > > > > > > > > , " sunilsingh20022001 " <sunilsingh20022001 @> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sushma Ji, > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > Please Find the answers- > > > >>(1) The people who live in USA and Canada, they have their rooms carpeted. Then ehere to drop the water from the palm after the Viniyog? Can it be dropped in a metal plate or bowl, and if yes then what to do of it afterwards? > > > ** Yes, You can drop in plate or bowl.Then after pooja, pour that water to some plant or tree. > > > >> (2) I have heard that while reciting a Mantra(may be 108 times), one should keep some water in frontof him, and after recitation it should be drank. This gives btter results of the Mantra recited. Is it true? > > > ** It is always true for the mantra that you are chanting for 'Pushti Karm'(means to strenghthen yourself). But there are many types of mantras and prayog other than pushti karm and complex methodology to perform that. So I am not sure that it is true in all the cases. > > > >> And if it is true for Mantra recitation, then is it true for the Stotra also? > > > ** It is true for stotra also. But it is essential for some stotra. For example, for persons suffering from eye diseases it is recommended to read 'Chakshush Upanishad' 12 times daily and keep some water in copper bowl. After reciting the stotra, apply some water on eyes and drink the reamining water.Person will definitely get relief within very short span of time. For Ram Raksha Stotra also it is always recommended. > > > > > > Best Regards > > > Sunil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > > Thanks a lot for the useful information about Stotra recitation you have been giving. > > > > > > > > I also wish to ask a couple of questions about it - > > > > (1) The people who live in USA and Canada, they have their rooms carpeted. Then ehere to drop the water from the palm after the Viniyog? Can it be dropped in a metal plate or bowl, and if yes then what to do of it afterwards? > > > > > > > > (2) I have heard that while reciting a Mantra(may be 108 times), one should keep some water in frontof him, and after recitation it should be drank. This gives btter results of the Mantra recited. Is it true? > > > > > > > > And if it is true for Mantra recitation, then is it true for the Stotra also? > > > > > > > > With regards > > > > Sushma > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 Bhagavat Jee, THE INFORMATION THATis given is only for making aware of their roots.I perform in my daily life lot of recitation of mantras,also ashtottara mantras as part of pooja without getting into details of viniyoga and stotra . it is my daily life and as worship with some sincerity and devotion.Occassionally on specific days like Vaikunth Ekadasi,ganesh Chaturdasi,we perform and recite these pooja with sankalpa and adopt these procedures.These anusthan procedures no doubt are complex.when we lead a life of easy living,these prayers,recitation,help us to boost our confidence and instill faith in the unknown as our ordinary efforts in daily life do not some time give/lead us to required fulfilment of wishes.be it in the context of health,wealth and happiness. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services)  --- On Sat, 9/12/09, bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee wrote: bhagvatjee <bhagvatjee Re: Stotra Recitation Saturday, September 12, 2009, 8:04 PM  Dear Suresh Babu Ji Thanks a lot for posting this. It is really a complex thing. People like us can get easily confused because of lack of profssional knowledge. Whenever I discuss this Mantra subject with some specialist, I get some new information and get more confused and start thinking that we ordinary people can never recite Mantra or Stotra, because everytime there will be some mistake in it. I don't know what to do for this? With regards Sushma , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > I am a little cautious about commenting on this subject. There are different acharas and depend on variety of reasons. However, the basic reasoning, meaning and application is practically same in all the tantras / agamas. >  > The “Viniyogaâ€� means usage †" for what?. How? > The “Karishyeâ€� †" means do †" what? Why? >  > Both are actually “sankalpaâ€� but application is different. >  > The ritual of pouring water though the hand down the fingers is done only when “karishyeâ€� is uttered  (Sankalpa) and not for “Viniyogâ€� (Prayog) >  > In fact there is more to this than merely pouring water. Unless the whole ritual is not done according to the agama / tantra, there is no point in doing it half way. >  > Either do it as prescribed or recite the stotras without accompanying rituals. >  > For example Vishnu Sahasranama could be recited without any rituals or complete with Sankalpa, nyasa, kalasha pooja, avahana, shodashopachara pooja, archana (with Sahasranama) , Avarana pooja, Arathi , naivedhya, Maha Navedhya, Maha Arathi, kshamapana prarthana etc. The rituals involved could be elaborate or simplified according to situation, custome & need. >  > I shall illustrate with example of both. > Shree Rudra >  > asya shree rudradhyaaya maha mantrasya aghora rishi: > anushtup chanda: > sankarshanamoorthis varoopo yo asaavaadithya: > paramapurusha: sa esha mrinthyunjayarudro devatha > nama: shivaayeti beejam > shivatharaayeti shakthi: > nama: somaayethi keelakam > somaskandaparameshw ara prasaadasidhyarthe VINIYOGA: >  > Here Viniyoga: means I am going to use / apply / exercise the following FOR The grace of “somaskandaparameshw araâ€�. >  > In fact when reciting the above, there are other observations to be done. I already told that it is “Sankalpaâ€� - The purpose of reciting the stotra / mantra etc but essentially prayoga †" application. Which means I have to decide why I am reciting it †" the real purpose should be visualized and born in mind. >  > The second thing is to become one with the whole being of that stotra whether it is advaitha or dwaitha. Here bear in mind that it is the higher authority that we are seeking grace from and that authority adheres to dharma alone. So I cannot be different from that authorities gunas. I have to try and become one with it. >  >  > With the above point of view, > When Rishi is mentioned, I will touch the top of my head, when chandas is mentioned, I will touch my mouth, devatha is mentioned, I will touch my heart. This is to symbolize and firmly establish myself with what I am doing or going to do. >  > Before going to the prayoga part  Achaman, pranayam  and sankalpa also should be done. The word “Karishyeâ€� is used with sankalpa and not prayoga (Viniyog). >  >  > The sankalpa could be used in a different way also.     > “achamya, prananayamya, --- > Varthamaane vyavaharike > ………naama samvatsare > ----------ayane > ----------ritau > ----------maase > ---------pakshe triteeyaam etc > ---------vaasare > Poorvokta evam guna vishesheNa vishishtaayaam > Shubha puNyathitau > Anantha kalyana gunaparipoorna ksheerabdishaayii > Shree Vishnu preeranayaa > Shree Vishnu preethyartham > Asmaakam sarveshaam sakutumbaanaam > Kshemasyaiyaayuraar oghya eishwairyaabhivridh yartham > Chaturvidha punya purushartha sidhyartham > Mama iha janmani janmaantare cha samastha > Paapakshaya poorvakam > Yaavajjeeva saumangalya vridhaye > Putra pautraadhyabhishta praapthaye > Shree swarna gauree preethyartham cha > Yathaamilithopachaa raiH gauree poojaaM KARISHYE †" (ithi sankalpam) >  > Water is poured now when the word “Karishteâ€� is spelt. > " asmaakam " . when the sankalpa is done by the person himself - for whom it is done > other wise name etc is mentioned if the sankalpa is given by another person - prabably by purohit himself. >  > Now see the difference in usage. > Lakshmee Hridayam > Shree ganeshaya nama > Aachamya praanaanaayamya > Deshakalau samkeertya ( as above) > Shree lakshmee naraayana prasaadasidhyaa > Mamaabhishtakaamana a sidhyartham > Adhyaprabhrutya amukadinaparyantham > Samkaliikaranareeth ya > Samputeekanariitya > Purashchanareethya > Sakridaavarthana reethya vaa > Lakshmee naarayanahridaya japaakhyam karma karishye †" pour water here. >  > Itit sankalpya nyaasadi kuryaath > Asya shree mahaalakshmee hridaya maalaa mantrasya > Bhaarghava rishiH > Aadhyaadi shree mahaalakshmeerdevat ha > Anushtupaati naanaa chandaamsi > Sheerbeejam > Hreem sakthiH > Aim keelakam > Shree mahaa lakshmee prasaada sidhyarthe jape viniyogaH †" note this. No water shoud be poured here. >  > The usage “japam aham karishyeâ€� is also wrong. “japam karishyeâ€� is enough and correct. >  > Some times the sankalpa is given and purohit does the pooja for the native if the native do not have authority / does not know / cannot do the pooja / japa etc.  Yes, do not mistake me.Japa also are and could be done by purohit for the sake of others. This is pure tantra and beyond the scope of this discussion. >  > Some of the rituals could be simplified but should conform to the basic principles of agama / tantra. One cannot do whatever one likes / could do. Excuses such as “this is what my teacher taught meâ€� or “my father taught meâ€� is irrelevant as far as science is concerned. >  > So also is there is nothing wrong if done with good heart. In this case, one do not require any ritual connected with agama / tantra but require only devotion. However, Mantras, Sookthas & Veda are totally different and out of the perview of devotion †" though devotion is absolutely necessary. >  > To illustrate the point, I shaal narrate a small story from Ramayana. > Once Lord Hanuman had to fight with Lord Rama. †" a fight between the lord and devotee. >   > Lord Rama tells to Hanuman †" “You very well know who I am and the power of my arrow †" rama baaNâ€� > Hanuman retorts back- “raam mantra is there in every pore in my body. What can raama band doâ€� >  > This episode actually illustrates what Mantra, devotion, prayoga. Etc. >  > Shree Ramachandra arrow could not do any harm on the body of Lord Hanuman..  >  > Hope this will help all. >  >  > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy >  > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> > > Saturday, September 12, 2009 8:15:37 AM > Re: Re: Stotra Recitation > >  > Sunil Ji, > what a nice way of clarifying the doubts and identify difference between Viniyoagha and stotraha. > Normally Viniyogaha is water left in bowl after stotra.Water for stotra is meant for initiation and to be sacrified by putting a twig of tulasi leaves in a container and for vinyoga purpose consume through a copper/silver spoon > Stotra water can be used for suddhi and sanctification of the house too > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) >  > > --- On Fri, 9/11/09, sunilsingh20022001 <sunilsingh20022001 @ > wrote: > > sunilsingh20022001 <sunilsingh20022001 @ > > Re: Stotra Recitation > > Friday, September 11, 2009, 11:58 AM > >  > > Dear Sushma Ji, > Jaya Siyaa Raam > Please find the answers- > >>I recite Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra, Mahaamrityunjaya Stotra, and Chandrashekhar Ashtakam daily in the morning. Would you kindly tell me if I have to put water in the metal (any metal or any specific metal) bowl for these Mantra and Stotra? > ** Yes.Those are the mantra/stotra for pushti karm. You should keep the water in bowl while reciting and drink after completion of mantra/stotra. > >>I recite Raam Rakshaa Stotra also. So should I keep some water in a bowl throughout the time I recite it, then I should pour it in the roots of a tree? or drink it? > ** You should drink it. > >>By the way, is Viniyog water different and Stotra water different? > or the same water can be used for both. Like, I keep some water in a bowl.. While reading the Viniyog, I should take some water in my right palm, read the Viniyog and drop it in a plate. The rest of the water should be kept for the period of reciting the whole Stotra and then - it should be drank or poured in the root of a tree? > ** Yes.Viniyoga water and stotra water is different.You should pour the water to a plant or tree which you have used for viniyoga. So You can use one plate and one bowl or two bowls.After pooja consume the water which is energised by mantra. > >>I have been reciting them for over one and half years. I have heard that Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra is good for health, but I am not seeing any improvement in my health. > ** There is no doubt that Mahamritunjaya mantra can bring good health. Use rudraksh rosary and before chanting Mahamritunjaya mantra chant vashishthha mantra 108 times- VAM VASHISHTHHAAYA NAMAH. > To get rid of your health problem you can also read ' MAYURESH STOTRA ' this would definitely give you very good result. > IMP- If you have been reading Ram Raksha Stotra then this very good time to get maximum benifit of this stotra.From 19 Sept navaratra will start. Recite Ram Raksha Stotra 11 times daily in front of photo of ram darabar ( Ram,Lakshaman, Sita, Hanuman )for nine days.Don't take onion or garlic and help to needy people to the best of your ability.Before recition of Ram raksha Stotra worship Hanuman. Read Hanuman Chalisa atleast. You will get siddhi of Ram Raksha Stotra.After navaratra you should read that stotra once as usual. > Best Regards > Sunil > > , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Sunil JI > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > I am so grateful to you for your quick reply. Your this reply has arisen a few questions more about Mantra ans Stotra -- > > > > (1) I recite Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra, Mahaamrityunjaya Stotra, and Chandrashekhar Ashtakam daily in the morning. Would you kindly tell me if I have to put water in the metal (any metal or any specific metal) bowl for these Mantra and Stotra? > > > > (2) I recite Raam Rakshaa Stotra also. So should I keep some water in a bowl throughout the time I recite it, then I should pour it in the roots of a tree? or drink it? > > > > By the way, is Viniyog water different and Stotra water different? > > or the same water can be used for both. Like, I keep some water in a bowl. While reading the Viniyog, I should take some water in my right palm, read the Viniyog and drop it in a plate. The rest of the water should be kept for the period of reciting the whole Stotra and then - it should be drank or poured in the root of a tree? > > > > Please guide me in detail so that I can get maximum benefits of these Mantra and Stotra. I will be so grateful to you. I have been reciting them for over one and half years. I have heard that Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra is good for health, but I am not seeing any improvement in my health. > > Thanks and with all my regards to you > > Sushma > > > > > > > > , " sunilsingh20022001 " <sunilsingh20022001 @> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sushma Ji, > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > Please Find the answers- > > > >>(1) The people who live in USA and Canada, they have their rooms carpeted. Then ehere to drop the water from the palm after the Viniyog? Can it be dropped in a metal plate or bowl, and if yes then what to do of it afterwards? > > > ** Yes, You can drop in plate or bowl.Then after pooja, pour that water to some plant or tree. > > > >> (2) I have heard that while reciting a Mantra(may be 108 times), one should keep some water in frontof him, and after recitation it should be drank. This gives btter results of the Mantra recited. Is it true? > > > ** It is always true for the mantra that you are chanting for 'Pushti Karm'(means to strenghthen yourself). But there are many types of mantras and prayog other than pushti karm and complex methodology to perform that. So I am not sure that it is true in all the cases. > > > >> And if it is true for Mantra recitation, then is it true for the Stotra also? > > > ** It is true for stotra also. But it is essential for some stotra. For example, for persons suffering from eye diseases it is recommended to read 'Chakshush Upanishad' 12 times daily and keep some water in copper bowl. After reciting the stotra, apply some water on eyes and drink the reamining water.Person will definitely get relief within very short span of time. For Ram Raksha Stotra also it is always recommended. > > > > > > Best Regards > > > Sunil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > > Thanks a lot for the useful information about Stotra recitation you have been giving. > > > > > > > > I also wish to ask a couple of questions about it - > > > > (1) The people who live in USA and Canada, they have their rooms carpeted. Then ehere to drop the water from the palm after the Viniyog? Can it be dropped in a metal plate or bowl, and if yes then what to do of it afterwards? > > > > > > > > (2) I have heard that while reciting a Mantra(may be 108 times), one should keep some water in frontof him, and after recitation it should be drank. This gives btter results of the Mantra recited. Is it true? > > > > > > > > And if it is true for Mantra recitation, then is it true for the Stotra also? > > > > > > > > With regards > > > > Sushma > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 Dear Sirs, Also there I feel v should add third dimension " That the person does without any proper motivation and faith in what he is attempting to do " . As you rightly mentioned,when v belive and prayer the ultimate it is faith,it is devotion that His Grace comes through invocation or by reciting stotras.Even if required result.fulfilment of objective is not seen,frustation or anxiety is of no help to any one of us.we look for betterment of life,seek peace and happiness.For that we resort to worship in the most unconventional ways.yet the approach is certainly better than to neglect and ignore for one or reason,these methods( or say medicines/weapons).Try and find how simple, ordinary course of worship helps us and bring changes in our out look.what ever good and bad we experience is no doubt comes out of our efforts.we become as we get what we look for and unhappy as we thing our wishesare not fulfilled and our sufferings continue.Then search for the reason astrologically or otherwise to know how v can over come the unhappiness and get waht we seek for? Bad times r as common as good times.our motivation to do things in daily things never happens to be normal.what v wish is abetter tomorrow and the need is to have that required confidence/motivation to :Ham Honge Kaamiyab Ek Din "  . Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services)  --- On Sat, 9/12/09, sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag wrote: sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag Re: Stotra Recitation Saturday, September 12, 2009, 3:11 PM  Dear Members, pardon me for adding a little more on the thread. however, I feel it is approriate at the moment. I am writing this after noticing a few members commenting that they did not seem to benefit from reciting mantras even after thousands of times of repeating it. There are only two possibilities here. 1) Either it is the wrong medicine or 2) the person is doing it wrongly. The first option need not be in discussion here. The second could be given further thought. I am quoting a verse from Shreemad Bhagavath Geetha that points exactly to the similar situation. shreyo hi GYaanamabhyaasaajGY aanaaddhyaanaM vishiShyate dhyaanaatkarmaphala tyaagastyaagaacC haantiranantaram .. " Jnaana " – knowledge is better that than " abhyaasa " – practice or repetition etc and " dhyaana " is better than knowledge. Recounciation of the fruits of karma is better than dhyaana Renounciation of every thing leads to ever lasting / never ending peace. Here Lord Krishna portraits three levels which are relevant to the discussion. 1) Abhyaasa 2) Jnaana 3) Dhyaana Here Abhyaasa is exactly what most do and complain – recite 1000's of times. You can see that you are just on the first level. To step on to the next level, you must get knowledge – of what? About what you are practicing / reciting. From where? A Guru who have the knowledge and understanding and so the authority to impart that knowledge to others. Does it end there? With the gain of knowledge? No. knowing the literal meaning of verses may not do any good, which the printed text books might provide you. At times it might even sound to be mockery (I mean the meanings of stotras of sookthas etc), but they carry much deeper and inner meanings. Its is this knowledge that is referred in the next level of achievement – dhyaana – here the correct English word is contemplation and not meditation – closing ones eyes, sitting still and probably concentrating on any particular one form or on nothing as in transcendental meditation. Contemplation – deep thinking & understanding on the meaning of the mantra and its correct usage and what we have to achieve. It is by contemplation we become one with the form of that mantra / mantra devatha – understanding its true form. Unless we understand its true form, we cannot achieve anything – use it. This information will not be available in the text books. That is why it was dictated that any one cannot recite any mantra / sooktha , do poojas / rituals without proper initiation – guidance. Just take the case , You received a tool a thick flat piece of iron with hexagonal cutting on both ends – called a spanner. You carry it every day, you also get the knowledge that it used to tighten or loosen a nut. After a few days of practice and thinking, applying etc you shall master its correct usage – to apply the correct pressure and weight – not to over tight the nut etc. or the correct way to handle it when loosening a nut. It is with this proper understanding you shall achieve the best results. So also is mantra or poojas. yam yam chinthayate kaamyam tam tam prapnothi nischitam Whatever one thinks / contemplates on – " chinthayate " – " kaamyam " – one earns for, that he shall achieve for sure. The word " chinta " also refers to - always thinking about- aim, focus without determination, one cannot focus or aim. This points further, to the necessity of contemplation, determination and usage of mantra etc. So without contemplation, determination and knowledge of usage one shall not achieve anything. Finally for all this to work out one needs to have unflinching faith also. Faith is the anchor that keeps us deep rooted to our goal, from level first to the lever third because it is easy to get frustrated and let go. It is all more the reason why a guru is needed for guidance. Narendra had all the knowledge but it only when he met Shree Ramakrishna Parama Hamsa and with his touch become great Swami Vivekananda as we know him today. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Friends, > Though the thread brings value addition to JR,awareness of nitty,gritties is also essential as part of JR topic for discusion. > Many people talk and inform also they are doing japa for 20000 times on his and is also awaiting pacification. .It is most important as Shri Suresh ji observed that purpose and determination along with devotion are important elements for remedial aspects and for expecting results out of such a difficult exercise.So knowing that "  purpose of reciting the stotra / mantra etc but essentially prayoga †" application. > Probably when we recite or intend to read from a book " Mantras, Sookthas & Veda are totally different importance is given for the vibration and changes that gets intiated and " become out of the perview of devotion " here the kind of sounds that come carry effect to set the right course of environment to give remedies and and pacify bad effects.No doubt these come as sources of knowledge > For that matter any stotram is to invoke and praise the lord and needs devotion to get the grace of lord. > But with times changing media permitting,purohits are replaced through CDs/DVD's etc.How effective they are time only has to address.But it is beyond doubt that when it is done with customs and tradition and throgh a Guru/Purohit and the benifit could be witnessed without much time lag.Also done at home and at temple through a Priest has also significance. Further diversion on these issues probably is not with in the perview of this thread. >  > One cannot do whatever one likes / could do. > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) >  > > --- On Sat, 9/12/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> > Re: Re: Stotra Recitation > > Saturday, September 12, 2009, 7:33 AM > > >  > > > > I am a little cautious about commenting on this subject. There are different acharas and depend on variety of reasons. However, the basic reasoning, meaning and application is practically same in all the tantras / agamas. >  > The “Viniyogaâ€� means usage †" for what?. How? > The “Karishyeâ€� †" means do †" what? Why? >  > Both are actually “sankalpaâ€� but application is different. >  > The ritual of pouring water though the hand down the fingers is done only when “karishyeâ€� is uttered  (Sankalpa) and not for “Viniyogâ€� (Prayog) >  > In fact there is more to this than merely pouring water. Unless the whole ritual is not done according to the agama / tantra, there is no point in doing it half way. >  > Either do it as prescribed or recite the stotras without accompanying rituals. >  > For example Vishnu Sahasranama could be recited without any rituals or complete with Sankalpa, nyasa, kalasha pooja, avahana, shodashopachara pooja, archana (with Sahasranama) , Avarana pooja, Arathi , naivedhya, Maha Navedhya, Maha Arathi, kshamapana prarthana etc. The rituals involved could be elaborate or simplified according to situation, custome & need. >  > I shall illustrate with example of both. > Shree Rudra >  > asya shree rudradhyaaya maha mantrasya aghora rishi: > anushtup chanda: > sankarshanamoorthis varoopo yo asaavaadithya: > paramapurusha: sa esha mrinthyunjayarudro devatha > nama: shivaayeti beejam > shivatharaayeti shakthi: > nama: somaayethi keelakam > somaskandaparameshw ara prasaadasidhyarthe VINIYOGA: >  > Here Viniyoga: means I am going to use / apply / exercise the following FOR The grace of “somaskandaparameshw araâ€�. >  > In fact when reciting the above, there are other observations to be done. I already told that it is “Sankalpaâ€� - The purpose of reciting the stotra / mantra etc but essentially prayoga †" application. Which means I have to decide why I am reciting it †" the real purpose should be visualized and born in mind. >  > The second thing is to become one with the whole being of that stotra whether it is advaitha or dwaitha. Here bear in mind that it is the higher authority that we are seeking grace from and that authority adheres to dharma alone. So I cannot be different from that authorities gunas. I have to try and become one with it. >  >  > With the above point of view, > When Rishi is mentioned, I will touch the top of my head, when chandas is mentioned, I will touch my mouth, devatha is mentioned, I will touch my heart. This is to symbolize and firmly establish myself with what I am doing or going to do. >  > Before going to the prayoga part  Achaman, pranayam  and sankalpa also should be done. The word “Karishyeâ€� is used with sankalpa and not prayoga (Viniyog). >  >  > The sankalpa could be used in a different way also.     > “achamya, prananayamya, --- > Varthamaane vyavaharike > ………naama samvatsare > ----------ayane > ----------ritau > ----------maase > ---------pakshe triteeyaam etc > ---------vaasare > Poorvokta evam guna vishesheNa vishishtaayaam > Shubha puNyathitau > Anantha kalyana gunaparipoorna ksheerabdishaayii > Shree Vishnu preeranayaa > Shree Vishnu preethyartham > Asmaakam sarveshaam sakutumbaanaam > Kshemasyaiyaayuraar oghya eishwairyaabhivridh yartham > Chaturvidha punya purushartha sidhyartham > Mama iha janmani janmaantare cha samastha > Paapakshaya poorvakam > Yaavajjeeva saumangalya vridhaye > Putra pautraadhyabhishta praapthaye > Shree swarna gauree preethyartham cha > Yathaamilithopachaa raiH gauree poojaaM KARISHYE †" (ithi sankalpam) >  > Water is poured now when the word “Karishteâ€� is spelt. > " asmaakam " . when the sankalpa is done by the person himself - for whom it is done > other wise name etc is mentioned if the sankalpa is given by another person - prabably by purohit himself. >  > Now see the difference in usage. > Lakshmee Hridayam > Shree ganeshaya nama > Aachamya praanaanaayamya > Deshakalau samkeertya ( as above) > Shree lakshmee naraayana prasaadasidhyaa > Mamaabhishtakaamana a sidhyartham > Adhyaprabhrutya amukadinaparyantham > Samkaliikaranareeth ya > Samputeekanariitya > Purashchanareethya > Sakridaavarthana reethya vaa > Lakshmee naarayanahridaya japaakhyam karma karishye †" pour water here. >  > Itit sankalpya nyaasadi kuryaath > Asya shree mahaalakshmee hridaya maalaa mantrasya > Bhaarghava rishiH > Aadhyaadi shree mahaalakshmeerdevat ha > Anushtupaati naanaa chandaamsi > Sheerbeejam > Hreem sakthiH > Aim keelakam > Shree mahaa lakshmee prasaada sidhyarthe jape viniyogaH †" note this.. No water shoud be poured here. >  > The usage “japam aham karishyeâ€� is also wrong. “japam karishyeâ€� is enough and correct. >  > Some times the sankalpa is given and purohit does the pooja for the native if the native do not have authority / does not know / cannot do the pooja / japa etc.  Yes, do not mistake me.Japa also are and could be done by purohit for the sake of others. This is pure tantra and beyond the scope of this discussion. >  > Some of the rituals could be simplified but should conform to the basic principles of agama / tantra. One cannot do whatever one likes / could do. Excuses such as “this is what my teacher taught meâ€� or “my father taught meâ€� is irrelevant as far as science is concerned. >  > So also is there is nothing wrong if done with good heart. In this case, one do not require any ritual connected with agama / tantra but require only devotion. However, Mantras, Sookthas & Veda are totally different and out of the perview of devotion †" though devotion is absolutely necessary.. >  > To illustrate the point, I shaal narrate a small story from Ramayana. > Once Lord Hanuman had to fight with Lord Rama. †" a fight between the lord and devotee. >   > Lord Rama tells to Hanuman †" “You very well know who I am and the power of my arrow †" rama baaNâ€� > Hanuman retorts back- “raam mantra is there in every pore in my body. What can raama band doâ€� >  > This episode actually illustrates what Mantra, devotion, prayoga. Etc. >  > Shree Ramachandra arrow could not do any harm on the body of Lord Hanuman.  >  > Hope this will help all. >  >  > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy >  > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > Saturday, September 12, 2009 8:15:37 AM > Re: Re: Stotra Recitation > >  > Sunil Ji, > what a nice way of clarifying the doubts and identify difference between Viniyoagha and stotraha. > Normally Viniyogaha is water left in bowl after stotra.Water for stotra is meant for initiation and to be sacrified by putting a twig of tulasi leaves in a container and for vinyoga purpose consume through a copper/silver spoon > Stotra water can be used for suddhi and sanctification of the house too > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) >  > > --- On Fri, 9/11/09, sunilsingh20022001 <sunilsingh20022001 @ > wrote: > > sunilsingh20022001 <sunilsingh20022001 @ > > Re: Stotra Recitation > > Friday, September 11, 2009, 11:58 AM > >  > > Dear Sushma Ji, > Jaya Siyaa Raam > Please find the answers- > >>I recite Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra, Mahaamrityunjaya Stotra, and Chandrashekhar Ashtakam daily in the morning. Would you kindly tell me if I have to put water in the metal (any metal or any specific metal) bowl for these Mantra and Stotra? > ** Yes.Those are the mantra/stotra for pushti karm. You should keep the water in bowl while reciting and drink after completion of mantra/stotra. > >>I recite Raam Rakshaa Stotra also. So should I keep some water in a bowl throughout the time I recite it, then I should pour it in the roots of a tree? or drink it? > ** You should drink it. > >>By the way, is Viniyog water different and Stotra water different? > or the same water can be used for both. Like, I keep some water in a bowl. While reading the Viniyog, I should take some water in my right palm, read the Viniyog and drop it in a plate. The rest of the water should be kept for the period of reciting the whole Stotra and then - it should be drank or poured in the root of a tree? > ** Yes.Viniyoga water and stotra water is different.You should pour the water to a plant or tree which you have used for viniyoga. So You can use one plate and one bowl or two bowls.After pooja consume the water which is energised by mantra. > >>I have been reciting them for over one and half years. I have heard that Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra is good for health, but I am not seeing any improvement in my health. > ** There is no doubt that Mahamritunjaya mantra can bring good health. Use rudraksh rosary and before chanting Mahamritunjaya mantra chant vashishthha mantra 108 times- VAM VASHISHTHHAAYA NAMAH. > To get rid of your health problem you can also read ' MAYURESH STOTRA ' this would definitely give you very good result. > IMP- If you have been reading Ram Raksha Stotra then this very good time to get maximum benifit of this stotra.From 19 Sept navaratra will start. Recite Ram Raksha Stotra 11 times daily in front of photo of ram darabar ( Ram,Lakshaman, Sita, Hanuman )for nine days.Don't take onion or garlic and help to needy people to the best of your ability.Before recition of Ram raksha Stotra worship Hanuman. Read Hanuman Chalisa atleast. You will get siddhi of Ram Raksha Stotra.After navaratra you should read that stotra once as usual. > Best Regards > Sunil > > , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Sunil JI > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > I am so grateful to you for your quick reply. Your this reply has arisen a few questions more about Mantra ans Stotra -- > > > > (1) I recite Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra, Mahaamrityunjaya Stotra, and Chandrashekhar Ashtakam daily in the morning. Would you kindly tell me if I have to put water in the metal (any metal or any specific metal) bowl for these Mantra and Stotra? > > > > (2) I recite Raam Rakshaa Stotra also. So should I keep some water in a bowl throughout the time I recite it, then I should pour it in the roots of a tree? or drink it? > > > > By the way, is Viniyog water different and Stotra water different? > > or the same water can be used for both. Like, I keep some water in a bowl.. While reading the Viniyog, I should take some water in my right palm, read the Viniyog and drop it in a plate. The rest of the water should be kept for the period of reciting the whole Stotra and then - it should be drank or poured in the root of a tree? > > > > Please guide me in detail so that I can get maximum benefits of these Mantra and Stotra. I will be so grateful to you. I have been reciting them for over one and half years. I have heard that Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra is good for health, but I am not seeing any improvement in my health. > > Thanks and with all my regards to you > > Sushma > > > > > > > > , " sunilsingh20022001 " <sunilsingh20022001 @> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sushma Ji, > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > Please Find the answers- > > > >>(1) The people who live in USA and Canada, they have their rooms carpeted. Then ehere to drop the water from the palm after the Viniyog? Can it be dropped in a metal plate or bowl, and if yes then what to do of it afterwards? > > > ** Yes, You can drop in plate or bowl.Then after pooja, pour that water to some plant or tree. > > > >> (2) I have heard that while reciting a Mantra(may be 108 times), one should keep some water in frontof him, and after recitation it should be drank. This gives btter results of the Mantra recited. Is it true? > > > ** It is always true for the mantra that you are chanting for 'Pushti Karm'(means to strenghthen yourself). But there are many types of mantras and prayog other than pushti karm and complex methodology to perform that. So I am not sure that it is true in all the cases. > > > >> And if it is true for Mantra recitation, then is it true for the Stotra also? > > > ** It is true for stotra also. But it is essential for some stotra. For example, for persons suffering from eye diseases it is recommended to read 'Chakshush Upanishad' 12 times daily and keep some water in copper bowl. After reciting the stotra, apply some water on eyes and drink the reamining water.Person will definitely get relief within very short span of time. For Ram Raksha Stotra also it is always recommended. > > > > > > Best Regards > > > Sunil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > > Thanks a lot for the useful information about Stotra recitation you have been giving. > > > > > > > > I also wish to ask a couple of questions about it - > > > > (1) The people who live in USA and Canada, they have their rooms carpeted. Then ehere to drop the water from the palm after the Viniyog? Can it be dropped in a metal plate or bowl, and if yes then what to do of it afterwards? > > > > > > > > (2) I have heard that while reciting a Mantra(may be 108 times), one should keep some water in frontof him, and after recitation it should be drank. This gives btter results of the Mantra recited. Is it true? > > > > > > > > And if it is true for Mantra recitation, then is it true for the Stotra also? > > > > > > > > With regards > > > > Sushma > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 Dear Sushma, The sole reason for my postings is to remove the confussions and misunderstangs. You have used the word " professional knowledge " . or lack of it. Yes, it is for this very reason our sages also gave simple stotras and at little bit higher level- ashtotharas & sahasranamas of dieties. But Vedas, sookthas, mantras and rituals come under professional knowledge. Even some of called professionals do not know the real meaning or application of these tantras. They just go through the rituals. That is not the point. The fact what can or should the ordinary people do to propitiate as diety. The most important factor is faith, determination and understanding. Faith & determination needs no explanation, but " understanding " do. Here come factor of " Sankalpa " & " dhyana " and " bhavana " . Sankalpa= why I am doing it Dhyana = to visualise the form of diety. Note that it is not simply meditation but meditation on the form of diety. Bhavana = This is ultimate secret in the process. It is not easy to explain this. for example: when you recite hanuman chalisa, Sankalpa = why you are reciting it?. It could be for your general welfare it could be for curing illness / death it could be for removing obstacles it could be for gaining the devotion and knowledge of truth. it could be for success in education dhyana = you meditate on the form of Hanuman appropriate for the sankalpa. It could be for your general welfare = You meditate on the form of Hanuman decked with with ornaments dressed in silk robe etc it could be for curing illness / death = you meditate on the form of Hanuman who brought mrithasanjeevani for curing lakshmana it could be for removing obstacles = you can meditate on the form of Hanuman who jumbed the ocean it could be for gaining the devotion and knowledge of truth.= you can meditate on the form of Hanuman who sits with his opened heart. it could be for success in education= You can meditate on the form of hanuman who is standing with his folded hands. Bhavana= This depends on the purpose- sankalpa. Suppose it is for education, You vissualise, the form of Hanuman standing in front of Lord Sun standing on Hanamanthasana (with one leg) and hands joined upwards to learn vedas- you visualise that that you are receiving the energy and knowledge through Lord Hanuman. This is what transfers the results to you. I am not sure if you understand this properly. Ultimately without devotion one cannot achieve any thing - even in material life - " devoted to his work " ?? Even when reciting simple stotras one can go through the above process and its requires no special rituals. It is all mental. So next time you recite Hanuman chalisa or sahasranama try to fix you mind like above. Mrithyunjaya Mantras and others Mantras are more complicated because it also requires one to carefull in Ucharana. Why?. This the very basic teaching of Ramayana. Sage Valmiki (Ratnakara) was a mere forest dweller. He did not know any mantras or rituals. Sage Narada asked him to repeat the words " mara " . we know that after a few years he discovered " Ram " . Sage Narada knew the secret of words & consonents and what they will do. Ratnakara when he started he knew nothing about " Ram " as mantra or Shree Rama chandra. It is due to Ucharana that he dicovered it. I have many times stressed this point. This story actually proves it. It should be noted that certain mantras also has certain rules to be followed. Maha Mrithyunjaya Mantra Should NEVER be recited with full stomach. It should only be recited when your stomach is empty - ie before taking food. So, it is best recited early morning. You can recite it in the evening also, if you have fasted for the whole day. People who advice otherwise do not know the reason for this. It is part of tantra and goes much deeper. Ordinary persons do not understand all this, that is why it was left to " professionals " . It is just like, certain medicines should be taken after food and certain others before food. Similarly some Mantras also may have rules attached to them. I saw another comment that Hanuman Chalisa should be recited before Rama Raksha stotra. I do not understand the logic. Shree Ramchandra is the lord and Hanuma was his devotee. Hanuman is more pleased when his lord is pleased. There are many pointers in puranas & smrithis where Hanuman wanted his lord - as Shree Ramachandra or Lord Narashimha to invoked before propitiating him. Hence it is always better to recite Rama raksha stotra or ashtothara before propitiating Lord Hanuman. Those who do not the proper ucharana etc of mrithyunjaya mantra, they can recite mrinthyunjaya stotra etc. The mantra is embeded in these stotras but requires no special initiation or procedure. feel free to ask for any specific clarification. Hope this helps you. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee wrote: > > Dear Suresh Babu Ji > Thanks a lot for posting this. It is really a complex thing. People like us can get easily confused because of lack of profssional knowledge. > > Whenever I discuss this Mantra subject with some specialist, I get some new information and get more confused and start thinking that we ordinary people can never recite Mantra or Stotra, because everytime there will be some mistake in it. > > I don't know what to do for this? > With regards > Sushma > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@> wrote: > > > > I am a little cautious about commenting on this subject. There are different acharas and depend on variety of reasons. However, the basic reasoning, meaning and application is practically same in all the tantras / agamas. > >  > > The “Viniyoga†means usage †" for what?. How? > > The “Karishye††" means do †" what? Why? > >  > > Both are actually “sankalpa†but application is different. > >  > > The ritual of pouring water though the hand down the fingers is done only when “karishye†is uttered  (Sankalpa) and not for “Viniyog†(Prayog) > >  > > In fact there is more to this than merely pouring water. Unless the whole ritual is not done according to the agama / tantra, there is no point in doing it half way. > >  > > Either do it as prescribed or recite the stotras without accompanying rituals. > >  > > For example Vishnu Sahasranama could be recited without any rituals or complete with Sankalpa, nyasa, kalasha pooja, avahana, shodashopachara pooja, archana (with Sahasranama), Avarana pooja, Arathi , naivedhya, Maha Navedhya, Maha Arathi, kshamapana prarthana etc. The rituals involved could be elaborate or simplified according to situation, custome & need. > >  > > I shall illustrate with example of both. > > Shree Rudra > >  > > asya shree rudradhyaaya maha mantrasya aghora rishi: > > anushtup chanda: > > sankarshanamoorthisvaroopo yo asaavaadithya: > > paramapurusha: sa esha mrinthyunjayarudro devatha > > nama: shivaayeti beejam > > shivatharaayeti shakthi: > > nama: somaayethi keelakam > > somaskandaparameshwara prasaadasidhyarthe VINIYOGA: > >  > > Here Viniyoga: means I am going to use / apply / exercise the following FOR The grace of “somaskandaparameshwaraâ€. > >  > > In fact when reciting the above, there are other observations to be done. I already told that it is “Sankalpaâ€Â - The purpose of reciting the stotra / mantra etc but essentially prayoga †" application. Which means I have to decide why I am reciting it †" the real purpose should be visualized and born in mind. > >  > > The second thing is to become one with the whole being of that stotra whether it is advaitha or dwaitha. Here bear in mind that it is the higher authority that we are seeking grace from and that authority adheres to dharma alone. So I cannot be different from that authorities gunas. I have to try and become one with it. > >  > >  > > With the above point of view, > > When Rishi is mentioned, I will touch the top of my head, when chandas is mentioned, I will touch my mouth, devatha is mentioned, I will touch my heart. This is to symbolize and firmly establish myself with what I am doing or going to do. > >  > > Before going to the prayoga part  Achaman, pranayam  and sankalpa also should be done. The word “Karishye†is used with sankalpa and not prayoga (Viniyog). > >  > >  > > The sankalpa could be used in a different way also.     > > “achamya, prananayamya,--- > > Varthamaane vyavaharike > > ………naama samvatsare > > ----------ayane > > ----------ritau > > ----------maase > > ---------pakshe triteeyaam etc > > ---------vaasare > > Poorvokta evam guna vishesheNa vishishtaayaam > > Shubha puNyathitau > > Anantha kalyana gunaparipoorna ksheerabdishaayii > > Shree Vishnu preeranayaa > > Shree Vishnu preethyartham > > Asmaakam sarveshaam sakutumbaanaam > > Kshemasyaiyaayuraaroghya eishwairyaabhivridhyartham > > Chaturvidha punya purushartha sidhyartham > > Mama iha janmani janmaantare cha samastha > > Paapakshaya poorvakam > > Yaavajjeeva saumangalya vridhaye > > Putra pautraadhyabhishta praapthaye > > Shree swarna gauree preethyartham cha > > YathaamilithopachaaraiH gauree poojaaM KARISHYE †" (ithi sankalpam) > >  > > Water is poured now when the word “Karishte†is spelt. > > " asmaakam " . when the sankalpa is done by the person himself - for whom it is done > > other wise name etc is mentioned if the sankalpa is given by another person - prabably by purohit himself. > >  > > Now see the difference in usage. > > Lakshmee Hridayam > > Shree ganeshaya nama > > Aachamya praanaanaayamya > > Deshakalau samkeertya ( as above) > > Shree lakshmee naraayana prasaadasidhyaa > > Mamaabhishtakaamanaa sidhyartham > > Adhyaprabhrutya amukadinaparyantham > > Samkaliikaranareethya > > Samputeekanariitya > > Purashchanareethya > > Sakridaavarthana reethya vaa > > Lakshmee naarayanahridaya japaakhyam karma karishye †" pour water here. > >  > > Itit sankalpya nyaasadi kuryaath > > Asya shree mahaalakshmee hridaya maalaa mantrasya > > Bhaarghava rishiH > > Aadhyaadi shree mahaalakshmeerdevatha > > Anushtupaati naanaa chandaamsi > > Sheerbeejam > > Hreem sakthiH > > Aim keelakam > > Shree mahaa lakshmee prasaada sidhyarthe jape viniyogaH †" note this. No water shoud be poured here. > >  > > The usage “japam aham karishye†is also wrong. “japam karishye†is enough and correct. > >  > > Some times the sankalpa is given and purohit does the pooja for the native if the native do not have authority / does not know / cannot do the pooja / japa etc.  Yes, do not mistake me.Japa also are and could be done by purohit for the sake of others. This is pure tantra and beyond the scope of this discussion. > >  > > Some of the rituals could be simplified but should conform to the basic principles of agama / tantra. One cannot do whatever one likes / could do. Excuses such as “this is what my teacher taught me†or “my father taught me†is irrelevant as far as science is concerned. > >  > > So also is there is nothing wrong if done with good heart. In this case, one do not require any ritual connected with agama / tantra but require only devotion. However, Mantras, Sookthas & Veda are totally different and out of the perview of devotion †" though devotion is absolutely necessary. > >  > > To illustrate the point, I shaal narrate a small story from Ramayana. > > Once Lord Hanuman had to fight with Lord Rama. †" a fight between the lord and devotee. > >   > > Lord Rama tells to Hanuman †" “You very well know who I am and the power of my arrow †" rama baaN†> > Hanuman retorts back- “raam mantra is there in every pore in my body. What can raama band do†> >  > > This episode actually illustrates what Mantra, devotion, prayoga. Etc. > >  > > Shree Ramachandra arrow could not do any harm on the body of Lord Hanuman.  > >  > > Hope this will help all. > >  > >  > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > >  > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > Saturday, September 12, 2009 8:15:37 AM > > Re: Re: Stotra Recitation > > > >  > > Sunil Ji, > > what a nice way of clarifying the doubts and identify difference between Viniyoagha and stotraha. > > Normally Viniyogaha is water left in bowl after stotra.Water for stotra is meant for initiation and to be sacrified by putting a twig of tulasi leaves in a container and for vinyoga purpose consume through a copper/silver spoon > > Stotra water can be used for suddhi and sanctification of the house too > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > >  > > > > --- On Fri, 9/11/09, sunilsingh20022001 <sunilsingh20022001@ > wrote: > > > > sunilsingh20022001 <sunilsingh20022001@ > > > Re: Stotra Recitation > > > > Friday, September 11, 2009, 11:58 AM > > > >  > > > > Dear Sushma Ji, > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > Please find the answers- > > >>I recite Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra, Mahaamrityunjaya Stotra, and Chandrashekhar Ashtakam daily in the morning. Would you kindly tell me if I have to put water in the metal (any metal or any specific metal) bowl for these Mantra and Stotra? > > ** Yes.Those are the mantra/stotra for pushti karm. You should keep the water in bowl while reciting and drink after completion of mantra/stotra. > > >>I recite Raam Rakshaa Stotra also. So should I keep some water in a bowl throughout the time I recite it, then I should pour it in the roots of a tree? or drink it? > > ** You should drink it. > > >>By the way, is Viniyog water different and Stotra water different? > > or the same water can be used for both. Like, I keep some water in a bowl. While reading the Viniyog, I should take some water in my right palm, read the Viniyog and drop it in a plate. The rest of the water should be kept for the period of reciting the whole Stotra and then - it should be drank or poured in the root of a tree? > > ** Yes.Viniyoga water and stotra water is different.You should pour the water to a plant or tree which you have used for viniyoga. So You can use one plate and one bowl or two bowls.After pooja consume the water which is energised by mantra. > > >>I have been reciting them for over one and half years. I have heard that Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra is good for health, but I am not seeing any improvement in my health. > > ** There is no doubt that Mahamritunjaya mantra can bring good health. Use rudraksh rosary and before chanting Mahamritunjaya mantra chant vashishthha mantra 108 times- VAM VASHISHTHHAAYA NAMAH. > > To get rid of your health problem you can also read ' MAYURESH STOTRA ' this would definitely give you very good result. > > IMP- If you have been reading Ram Raksha Stotra then this very good time to get maximum benifit of this stotra.From 19 Sept navaratra will start. Recite Ram Raksha Stotra 11 times daily in front of photo of ram darabar ( Ram,Lakshaman, Sita, Hanuman )for nine days.Don't take onion or garlic and help to needy people to the best of your ability.Before recition of Ram raksha Stotra worship Hanuman. Read Hanuman Chalisa atleast. You will get siddhi of Ram Raksha Stotra.After navaratra you should read that stotra once as usual. > > Best Regards > > Sunil > > > > , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sunil JI > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > I am so grateful to you for your quick reply. Your this reply has arisen a few questions more about Mantra ans Stotra -- > > > > > > (1) I recite Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra, Mahaamrityunjaya Stotra, and Chandrashekhar Ashtakam daily in the morning. Would you kindly tell me if I have to put water in the metal (any metal or any specific metal) bowl for these Mantra and Stotra? > > > > > > (2) I recite Raam Rakshaa Stotra also. So should I keep some water in a bowl throughout the time I recite it, then I should pour it in the roots of a tree? or drink it? > > > > > > By the way, is Viniyog water different and Stotra water different? > > > or the same water can be used for both. Like, I keep some water in a bowl. While reading the Viniyog, I should take some water in my right palm, read the Viniyog and drop it in a plate. The rest of the water should be kept for the period of reciting the whole Stotra and then - it should be drank or poured in the root of a tree? > > > > > > Please guide me in detail so that I can get maximum benefits of these Mantra and Stotra. I will be so grateful to you. I have been reciting them for over one and half years. I have heard that Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra is good for health, but I am not seeing any improvement in my health. > > > Thanks and with all my regards to you > > > Sushma > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sunilsingh20022001 " <sunilsingh20022001 @> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sushma Ji, > > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > > Please Find the answers- > > > > >>(1) The people who live in USA and Canada, they have their rooms carpeted. Then ehere to drop the water from the palm after the Viniyog? Can it be dropped in a metal plate or bowl, and if yes then what to do of it afterwards? > > > > ** Yes, You can drop in plate or bowl.Then after pooja, pour that water to some plant or tree. > > > > >> (2) I have heard that while reciting a Mantra(may be 108 times), one should keep some water in frontof him, and after recitation it should be drank. This gives btter results of the Mantra recited. Is it true? > > > > ** It is always true for the mantra that you are chanting for 'Pushti Karm'(means to strenghthen yourself). But there are many types of mantras and prayog other than pushti karm and complex methodology to perform that. So I am not sure that it is true in all the cases. > > > > >> And if it is true for Mantra recitation, then is it true for the Stotra also? > > > > ** It is true for stotra also. But it is essential for some stotra. For example, for persons suffering from eye diseases it is recommended to read 'Chakshush Upanishad' 12 times daily and keep some water in copper bowl. After reciting the stotra, apply some water on eyes and drink the reamining water.Person will definitely get relief within very short span of time. For Ram Raksha Stotra also it is always recommended. > > > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > Sunil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > > > Thanks a lot for the useful information about Stotra recitation you have been giving. > > > > > > > > > > I also wish to ask a couple of questions about it - > > > > > (1) The people who live in USA and Canada, they have their rooms carpeted. Then ehere to drop the water from the palm after the Viniyog? Can it be dropped in a metal plate or bowl, and if yes then what to do of it afterwards? > > > > > > > > > > (2) I have heard that while reciting a Mantra(may be 108 times), one should keep some water in frontof him, and after recitation it should be drank. This gives btter results of the Mantra recited. Is it true? > > > > > > > > > > And if it is true for Mantra recitation, then is it true for the Stotra also? > > > > > > > > > > With regards > > > > > Sushma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 Dear Jeasal, The Karthaveeryarjuna Mantra and pooja vidhana comes from Meru Tantra and also is given in devi bhagavtham. There is a mistake in what you have written. > " " Karthaveeryajuno naama raja , bahu sahasravaan, tasya samrnadevo , rutham nastham cha labhyate . " " IT IS LIKE THIS. " Karthaveeryarjuno naama raja bhahu sahasravan; Thasya samsmarananena hrutham nashtancha labyathe " Note the word " rutham " which actualy is " hrutham " The meaning: Karthaveeryarjuno naana raja : Raja (king) named Karthaveeryarjuna bahu sahasravaan : with thousands of hands Thasya samsmaran ena = rememebering - meditating on his form hrutham nashtan cha labhyate = will get back what is lost and lost by theft. So also > " " Om praum chreem vroum jaam shrim kroum aim hroum hum phat kaartaaviryarjunaay swaha " " . I am not sure of this Mantra. One of texts on Meru Tantra gives the Mantra as 'Om phrom vreem kleem bhroom aam hreem krom sreem hoom phat kaarthaveeryaarjunaaya namaha. " The mantras ending with " swaha " is normally used for Havans. Hence for reciting I would suggest the Mantra as given in Meru Tantra. I have not checked deeply into this. Hence just commenting on your post. It is upto you to find out what is neccessary otherwise. Note: The form of Karthaveeryarjuna is considered to be from Sudarshana Chakra. Hence, Astrologicaly, Mercury should be the Indicator in such cases as Nivrithi - relief - ie: Mercury should be in the kendra particularly in the 7th (Nivrithi sthana) and exalted. Further, It is also written that Lord Parashurama vanquised Karathaveeryarjuna. Hence, decendants of Parashurama or those having his lineage is advised not to use this tantra. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. , jesalsagar wrote: > > Prannam suresh babu ji , > > Can you explain me the meaning of these mantras .. > It is called as karthaveeryajuno mantras .. > > It is as > " " Karthaveeryajuno naama raja , bahu sahasravaan, tasya samrnadevo , rutham nastham cha labhyate . " " > > " " Om praum chreem vroum jaam shrim kroum aim hroum hum phat kaartaaviryarjunaay swaha " " . > > Plz suresh babuji if u know anything about this mantras plz explain .. > > An astrologer told me to recite this mantra 108 times a day .. > This mantra is for - if ur some specific thing is lost or anybody have grabed your things and not giving you back this mantra would be use ful to you that's what an astrologer told me .. > > I don't doubt the astrologer .. > But i just want to know the meaning of these mantras .. > Plz help me suresh babuji if u know the meaning of these mantras .. > > I allso ask the help from the members of this forum who are learned astrologers to help me with the meaning of these mantras .. > > Thanking you > Jesal sagar . > Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone > > > " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag > Sat, 12 Sep 2009 19:11:45 > > Re: Stotra Recitation > > Dear Members, > > pardon me for adding a little more on the thread. however, I feel it is approriate at the moment. > > I am writing this after noticing a few members commenting that they did not seem to benefit from reciting mantras even after thousands of times of repeating it. > > There are only two possibilities here. 1) Either it is the wrong medicine or 2) the person is doing it wrongly. > > The first option need not be in discussion here. > > The second could be given further thought. I am quoting a verse from Shreemad Bhagavath Geetha that points exactly to the similar situation. > > shreyo hi GYaanamabhyaasaajGYaanaaddhyaanaM vishiShyate > dhyaanaatkarmaphalatyaagastyaagaacChaantiranantaram.. > > " Jnaana " †" knowledge is better that than " abhyaasa " †" practice or repetition etc and " dhyaana " is better than knowledge. > Recounciation of the fruits of karma is better than dhyaana > Renounciation of every thing leads to ever lasting / never ending peace. > > Here Lord Krishna portraits three levels which are relevant to the discussion. > 1) Abhyaasa > 2) Jnaana > 3) Dhyaana > > Here Abhyaasa is exactly what most do and complain †" recite 1000's of times. You can see that you are just on the first level. To step on to the next level, you must get knowledge †" of what? About what you are practicing / reciting. From where? A Guru who have the knowledge and understanding and so the authority to impart that knowledge to others. Does it end there? With the gain of knowledge? No. knowing the literal meaning of verses may not do any good, which the printed text books might provide you. At times it might even sound to be mockery (I mean the meanings of stotras of sookthas etc), but they carry much deeper and inner meanings. Its is this knowledge that is referred in the next level of achievement †" dhyaana †" here the correct English word is contemplation and not meditation †" closing ones eyes, sitting still and probably concentrating on any particular one form or on nothing as in transcendental meditation. Contemplation †" deep thinking & understanding on the meaning of the mantra and its correct usage and what we have to achieve. It is by contemplation we become one with the form of that mantra / mantra devatha †" understanding its true form. Unless we understand its true form, we cannot achieve anything †" use it. > > This information will not be available in the text books. That is why it was dictated that any one cannot recite any mantra / sooktha , do poojas / rituals without proper initiation †" guidance. > > Just take the case , > > You received a tool a thick flat piece of iron with hexagonal cutting on both ends †" called a spanner. You carry it every day, you also get the knowledge that it used to tighten or loosen a nut. After a few days of practice and thinking, applying etc you shall master its correct usage †" to apply the correct pressure and weight †" not to over tight the nut etc. or the correct way to handle it when loosening a nut. It is with this proper understanding you shall achieve the best results. So also is mantra or poojas. > > yam yam chinthayate kaamyam > tam tam prapnothi nischitam > > Whatever one thinks / contemplates on †" " chinthayate " †" " kaamyam " †" one earns for, that he shall achieve for sure. > > The word " chinta " also refers to - always thinking about- aim, focus > > without determination, one cannot focus or aim. > > This points further, to the necessity of contemplation, determination and usage of mantra etc. So without contemplation, determination and knowledge of usage one shall not achieve anything. Finally for all this to work out one needs to have unflinching faith also. > > Faith is the anchor that keeps us deep rooted to our goal, from level first to the lever third because it is easy to get frustrated and let go. > > It is all more the reason why a guru is needed for guidance. > > Narendra had all the knowledge but it only when he met Shree Ramakrishna Parama Hamsa and with his touch become great Swami Vivekananda as we know him today. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > Dear Friends, > > Though the thread brings value addition to JR,awareness of nitty,gritties is also essential as part of JR topic for discusion. > > Many people talk and inform also they are doing japa for 20000 times on his and is also awaiting pacification..It is most important as Shri Suresh ji observed that purpose and determination along with devotion are important elements for remedial aspects and for expecting results out of such a difficult exercise.So knowing that "  purpose of reciting the stotra / mantra etc but essentially prayoga †" application. > > Probably when we recite or intend to read from a book " Mantras, Sookthas & Veda are totally different importance is given for the vibration and changes that gets intiated and " become out of the perview of devotion " here the kind of sounds that come carry effect to set the right course of environment to give remedies and and pacify bad effects.No doubt these come as sources of knowledge > > For that matter any stotram is to invoke and praise the lord and needs devotion to get the grace of lord. > > But with times changing media permitting,purohits are replaced through CDs/DVD's etc.How effective they are time only has to address.But it is beyond doubt that when it is done with customs and tradition and throgh a Guru/Purohit and the benifit could be witnessed without much time lag.Also done at home and at temple through a Priest has also significance.Further diversion on these issues probably is not with in the perview of this thread. > >  > > One cannot do whatever one likes / could do. > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > >  > > > > --- On Sat, 9/12/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@> wrote: > > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@> > > Re: Re: Stotra Recitation > > > > Saturday, September 12, 2009, 7:33 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > I am a little cautious about commenting on this subject. There are different acharas and depend on variety of reasons. However, the basic reasoning, meaning and application is practically same in all the tantras / agamas. > >  > > The  " Viniyoga†means usage †" for what?. How? > > The  " Karishye†â€ " means do †" what? Why? > >  > > Both are actually  " sankalpa†but application is different. > >  > > The ritual of pouring water though the hand down the fingers is done only when  " karishye†is uttered  (Sankalpa) and not for  " Viniyog†(Prayog) > >  > > In fact there is more to this than merely pouring water. Unless the whole ritual is not done according to the agama / tantra, there is no point in doing it half way. > >  > > Either do it as prescribed or recite the stotras without accompanying rituals. > >  > > For example Vishnu Sahasranama could be recited without any rituals or complete with Sankalpa, nyasa, kalasha pooja, avahana, shodashopachara pooja, archana (with Sahasranama) , Avarana pooja, Arathi , naivedhya, Maha Navedhya, Maha Arathi, kshamapana prarthana etc. The rituals involved could be elaborate or simplified according to situation, custome & need. > >  > > I shall illustrate with example of both. > > Shree Rudra > >  > > asya shree rudradhyaaya maha mantrasya aghora rishi: > > anushtup chanda: > > sankarshanamoorthis varoopo yo asaavaadithya: > > paramapurusha: sa esha mrinthyunjayarudro devatha > > nama: shivaayeti beejam > > shivatharaayeti shakthi: > > nama: somaayethi keelakam > > somaskandaparameshw ara prasaadasidhyarthe VINIYOGA: > >  > > Here Viniyoga: means I am going to use / apply / exercise the following FOR The grace of  " somaskandaparameshw araâ€Â. > >  > > In fact when reciting the above, there are other observations to be done. I already told that it is  " Sankalpaâ€Â - The purpose of reciting the stotra / mantra etc but essentially prayoga †" application. Which means I have to decide why I am reciting it †" the real purpose should be visualized and born in mind. > >  > > The second thing is to become one with the whole being of that stotra whether it is advaitha or dwaitha. Here bear in mind that it is the higher authority that we are seeking grace from and that authority adheres to dharma alone. So I cannot be different from that authorities gunas. I have to try and become one with it. > >  > >  > > With the above point of view, > > When Rishi is mentioned, I will touch the top of my head, when chandas is mentioned, I will touch my mouth, devatha is mentioned, I will touch my heart. This is to symbolize and firmly establish myself with what I am doing or going to do. > >  > > Before going to the prayoga part  Achaman, pranayam  and sankalpa also should be done. The word  " Karishye†is used with sankalpa and not prayoga (Viniyog). > >  > >  > > The sankalpa could be used in a different way also.     > >  " achamya, prananayamya, --- > > Varthamaane vyavaharike > > ………naama samvatsare > > ----------ayane > > ----------ritau > > ----------maase > > ---------pakshe triteeyaam etc > > ---------vaasare > > Poorvokta evam guna vishesheNa vishishtaayaam > > Shubha puNyathitau > > Anantha kalyana gunaparipoorna ksheerabdishaayii > > Shree Vishnu preeranayaa > > Shree Vishnu preethyartham > > Asmaakam sarveshaam sakutumbaanaam > > Kshemasyaiyaayuraar oghya eishwairyaabhivridh yartham > > Chaturvidha punya purushartha sidhyartham > > Mama iha janmani janmaantare cha samastha > > Paapakshaya poorvakam > > Yaavajjeeva saumangalya vridhaye > > Putra pautraadhyabhishta praapthaye > > Shree swarna gauree preethyartham cha > > Yathaamilithopachaa raiH gauree poojaaM KARISHYE †" (ithi sankalpam) > >  > > Water is poured now when the word  " Karishte†is spelt. > > " asmaakam " . when the sankalpa is done by the person himself - for whom it is done > > other wise name etc is mentioned if the sankalpa is given by another person - prabably by purohit himself. > >  > > Now see the difference in usage. > > Lakshmee Hridayam > > Shree ganeshaya nama > > Aachamya praanaanaayamya > > Deshakalau samkeertya ( as above) > > Shree lakshmee naraayana prasaadasidhyaa > > Mamaabhishtakaamana a sidhyartham > > Adhyaprabhrutya amukadinaparyantham > > Samkaliikaranareeth ya > > Samputeekanariitya > > Purashchanareethya > > Sakridaavarthana reethya vaa > > Lakshmee naarayanahridaya japaakhyam karma karishye †" pour water here. > >  > > Itit sankalpya nyaasadi kuryaath > > Asya shree mahaalakshmee hridaya maalaa mantrasya > > Bhaarghava rishiH > > Aadhyaadi shree mahaalakshmeerdevat ha > > Anushtupaati naanaa chandaamsi > > Sheerbeejam > > Hreem sakthiH > > Aim keelakam > > Shree mahaa lakshmee prasaada sidhyarthe jape viniyogaH †" note this.. No water shoud be poured here. > >  > > The usage  " japam aham karishye†is also wrong.  " japam karishye†is enough and correct. > >  > > Some times the sankalpa is given and purohit does the pooja for the native if the native do not have authority / does not know / cannot do the pooja / japa etc.  Yes, do not mistake me.Japa also are and could be done by purohit for the sake of others. This is pure tantra and beyond the scope of this discussion. > >  > > Some of the rituals could be simplified but should conform to the basic principles of agama / tantra. One cannot do whatever one likes / could do. Excuses such as  " this is what my teacher taught me†or  " my father taught me†is irrelevant as far as science is concerned. > >  > > So also is there is nothing wrong if done with good heart. In this case, one do not require any ritual connected with agama / tantra but require only devotion. However, Mantras, Sookthas & Veda are totally different and out of the perview of devotion †" though devotion is absolutely necessary.. > >  > > To illustrate the point, I shaal narrate a small story from Ramayana. > > Once Lord Hanuman had to fight with Lord Rama. †" a fight between the lord and devotee. > >   > > Lord Rama tells to Hanuman †"  " You very well know who I am and the power of my arrow †" rama baaN†> > Hanuman retorts back-  " raam mantra is there in every pore in my body. What can raama band do†> >  > > This episode actually illustrates what Mantra, devotion, prayoga. Etc. > >  > > Shree Ramachandra arrow could not do any harm on the body of Lord Hanuman.  > >  > > Hope this will help all. > >  > >  > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > >  > > > >________________________________ > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > Saturday, September 12, 2009 8:15:37 AM > > Re: Re: Stotra Recitation > > > >  > > Sunil Ji, > > what a nice way of clarifying the doubts and identify difference between Viniyoagha and stotraha. > > Normally Viniyogaha is water left in bowl after stotra.Water for stotra is meant for initiation and to be sacrified by putting a twig of tulasi leaves in a container and for vinyoga purpose consume through a copper/silver spoon > > Stotra water can be used for suddhi and sanctification of the house too > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > >  > > > > --- On Fri, 9/11/09, sunilsingh20022001 <sunilsingh20022001 @ > wrote: > > > > sunilsingh20022001 <sunilsingh20022001 @ > > > Re: Stotra Recitation > > > > Friday, September 11, 2009, 11:58 AM > > > >  > > > > Dear Sushma Ji, > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > Please find the answers- > > >>I recite Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra, Mahaamrityunjaya Stotra, and Chandrashekhar Ashtakam daily in the morning. Would you kindly tell me if I have to put water in the metal (any metal or any specific metal) bowl for these Mantra and Stotra? > > ** Yes.Those are the mantra/stotra for pushti karm. You should keep the water in bowl while reciting and drink after completion of mantra/stotra. > > >>I recite Raam Rakshaa Stotra also. So should I keep some water in a bowl throughout the time I recite it, then I should pour it in the roots of a tree? or drink it? > > ** You should drink it. > > >>By the way, is Viniyog water different and Stotra water different? > > or the same water can be used for both. Like, I keep some water in a bowl. While reading the Viniyog, I should take some water in my right palm, read the Viniyog and drop it in a plate. The rest of the water should be kept for the period of reciting the whole Stotra and then - it should be drank or poured in the root of a tree? > > ** Yes.Viniyoga water and stotra water is different.You should pour the water to a plant or tree which you have used for viniyoga. So You can use one plate and one bowl or two bowls.After pooja consume the water which is energised by mantra. > > >>I have been reciting them for over one and half years. I have heard that Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra is good for health, but I am not seeing any improvement in my health. > > ** There is no doubt that Mahamritunjaya mantra can bring good health. Use rudraksh rosary and before chanting Mahamritunjaya mantra chant vashishthha mantra 108 times- VAM VASHISHTHHAAYA NAMAH. > > To get rid of your health problem you can also read ' MAYURESH STOTRA ' this would definitely give you very good result. > > IMP- If you have been reading Ram Raksha Stotra then this very good time to get maximum benifit of this stotra.From 19 Sept navaratra will start. Recite Ram Raksha Stotra 11 times daily in front of photo of ram darabar ( Ram,Lakshaman, Sita, Hanuman )for nine days.Don't take onion or garlic and help to needy people to the best of your ability.Before recition of Ram raksha Stotra worship Hanuman. Read Hanuman Chalisa atleast. You will get siddhi of Ram Raksha Stotra.After navaratra you should read that stotra once as usual. > > Best Regards > > Sunil > > > > , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sunil JI > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > I am so grateful to you for your quick reply. Your this reply has arisen a few questions more about Mantra ans Stotra -- > > > > > > (1) I recite Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra, Mahaamrityunjaya Stotra, and Chandrashekhar Ashtakam daily in the morning. Would you kindly tell me if I have to put water in the metal (any metal or any specific metal) bowl for these Mantra and Stotra? > > > > > > (2) I recite Raam Rakshaa Stotra also. So should I keep some water in a bowl throughout the time I recite it, then I should pour it in the roots of a tree? or drink it? > > > > > > By the way, is Viniyog water different and Stotra water different? > > > or the same water can be used for both. Like, I keep some water in a bowl.. While reading the Viniyog, I should take some water in my right palm, read the Viniyog and drop it in a plate. The rest of the water should be kept for the period of reciting the whole Stotra and then - it should be drank or poured in the root of a tree? > > > > > > Please guide me in detail so that I can get maximum benefits of these Mantra and Stotra. I will be so grateful to you. I have been reciting them for over one and half years. I have heard that Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra is good for health, but I am not seeing any improvement in my health. > > > Thanks and with all my regards to you > > > Sushma > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sunilsingh20022001 " <sunilsingh20022001 @> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sushma Ji, > > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > > Please Find the answers- > > > > >>(1) The people who live in USA and Canada, they have their rooms carpeted. Then ehere to drop the water from the palm after the Viniyog? Can it be dropped in a metal plate or bowl, and if yes then what to do of it afterwards? > > > > ** Yes, You can drop in plate or bowl.Then after pooja, pour that water to some plant or tree. > > > > >> (2) I have heard that while reciting a Mantra(may be 108 times), one should keep some water in frontof him, and after recitation it should be drank. This gives btter results of the Mantra recited. Is it true? > > > > ** It is always true for the mantra that you are chanting for 'Pushti Karm'(means to strenghthen yourself). But there are many types of mantras and prayog other than pushti karm and complex methodology to perform that. So I am not sure that it is true in all the cases. > > > > >> And if it is true for Mantra recitation, then is it true for the Stotra also? > > > > ** It is true for stotra also. But it is essential for some stotra. For example, for persons suffering from eye diseases it is recommended to read 'Chakshush Upanishad' 12 times daily and keep some water in copper bowl. After reciting the stotra, apply some water on eyes and drink the reamining water.Person will definitely get relief within very short span of time. For Ram Raksha Stotra also it is always recommended. > > > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > Sunil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > > > Thanks a lot for the useful information about Stotra recitation you have been giving. > > > > > > > > > > I also wish to ask a couple of questions about it - > > > > > (1) The people who live in USA and Canada, they have their rooms carpeted. Then ehere to drop the water from the palm after the Viniyog? Can it be dropped in a metal plate or bowl, and if yes then what to do of it afterwards? > > > > > > > > > > (2) I have heard that while reciting a Mantra(may be 108 times), one should keep some water in frontof him, and after recitation it should be drank. This gives btter results of the Mantra recited. Is it true? > > > > > > > > > > And if it is true for Mantra recitation, then is it true for the Stotra also? > > > > > > > > > > With regards > > > > > Sushma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 prannam sureshji ,  thank you very much for your valuable advice and giving me the exact meaning of this mantra .. i searched on internet but i couldnt get the meaning of this mantra that why i asked the meaning of this mantra to you ..  thank you guruji .. i also want to ask you that is there any specific time to say this mantra ..?  and if you know about ( karthaveeryajuno naam raja ..) on net .. please send me the link .. i want to learn more about the king...  thanking you jesal sagar. --- On Sun, 13/9/09, sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag wrote: sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag Re: Stotra Recitation Sunday, 13 September, 2009, 1:35 PM  Dear Jeasal, The Karthaveeryarjuna Mantra and pooja vidhana comes from Meru Tantra and also is given in devi bhagavtham. There is a mistake in what you have written. > " " Karthaveeryajuno naama raja , bahu sahasravaan, tasya samrnadevo , rutham nastham cha labhyate . " " IT IS LIKE THIS. " Karthaveeryarjuno naama raja bhahu sahasravan; Thasya samsmarananena hrutham nashtancha labyathe " Note the word " rutham " which actualy is " hrutham " The meaning: Karthaveeryarjuno naana raja : Raja (king) named Karthaveeryarjuna bahu sahasravaan : with thousands of hands Thasya samsmaran ena = rememebering - meditating on his form hrutham nashtan cha labhyate = will get back what is lost and lost by theft. So also > " " Om praum chreem vroum jaam shrim kroum aim hroum hum phat kaartaaviryarjunaay swaha " " . I am not sure of this Mantra. One of texts on Meru Tantra gives the Mantra as 'Om phrom vreem kleem bhroom aam hreem krom sreem hoom phat kaarthaveeryaarjuna aya namaha. " The mantras ending with " swaha " is normally used for Havans. Hence for reciting I would suggest the Mantra as given in Meru Tantra. I have not checked deeply into this. Hence just commenting on your post. It is upto you to find out what is neccessary otherwise. Note: The form of Karthaveeryarjuna is considered to be from Sudarshana Chakra. Hence, Astrologicaly, Mercury should be the Indicator in such cases as Nivrithi - relief - ie: Mercury should be in the kendra particularly in the 7th (Nivrithi sthana) and exalted. Further, It is also written that Lord Parashurama vanquised Karathaveeryarjuna. Hence, decendants of Parashurama or those having his lineage is advised not to use this tantra. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. , jesalsagar@. .. wrote: > > Prannam suresh babu ji , > > Can you explain me the meaning of these mantras .. > It is called as karthaveeryajuno mantras .. > > It is as > " " Karthaveeryajuno naama raja , bahu sahasravaan, tasya samrnadevo , rutham nastham cha labhyate . " " > > " " Om praum chreem vroum jaam shrim kroum aim hroum hum phat kaartaaviryarjunaay swaha " " . > > Plz suresh babuji if u know anything about this mantras plz explain .. > > An astrologer told me to recite this mantra 108 times a day .. > This mantra is for - if ur some specific thing is lost or anybody have grabed your things and not giving you back this mantra would be use ful to you that's what an astrologer told me .. > > I don't doubt the astrologer .. > But i just want to know the meaning of these mantras .. > Plz help me suresh babuji if u know the meaning of these mantras .. > > I allso ask the help from the members of this forum who are learned astrologers to help me with the meaning of these mantras .. > > Thanking you > Jesal sagar . > Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone > > > " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@ ...> > Sat, 12 Sep 2009 19:11:45 > <> > Re: Stotra Recitation > > Dear Members, > > pardon me for adding a little more on the thread. however, I feel it is approriate at the moment. > > I am writing this after noticing a few members commenting that they did not seem to benefit from reciting mantras even after thousands of times of repeating it. > > There are only two possibilities here. 1) Either it is the wrong medicine or 2) the person is doing it wrongly. > > The first option need not be in discussion here. > > The second could be given further thought. I am quoting a verse from Shreemad Bhagavath Geetha that points exactly to the similar situation. > > shreyo hi GYaanamabhyaasaajGY aanaaddhyaanaM vishiShyate > dhyaanaatkarmaphala tyaagastyaagaacC haantiranantaram .. > > " Jnaana " †" knowledge is better that than " abhyaasa " †" practice or repetition etc and " dhyaana " is better than knowledge. > Recounciation of the fruits of karma is better than dhyaana > Renounciation of every thing leads to ever lasting / never ending peace. > > Here Lord Krishna portraits three levels which are relevant to the discussion. > 1) Abhyaasa > 2) Jnaana > 3) Dhyaana > > Here Abhyaasa is exactly what most do and complain †" recite 1000's of times. You can see that you are just on the first level. To step on to the next level, you must get knowledge †" of what? About what you are practicing / reciting. From where? A Guru who have the knowledge and understanding and so the authority to impart that knowledge to others. Does it end there? With the gain of knowledge? No. knowing the literal meaning of verses may not do any good, which the printed text books might provide you. At times it might even sound to be mockery (I mean the meanings of stotras of sookthas etc), but they carry much deeper and inner meanings. Its is this knowledge that is referred in the next level of achievement †" dhyaana †" here the correct English word is contemplation and not meditation †" closing ones eyes, sitting still and probably concentrating on any particular one form or on nothing as in transcendental meditation. Contemplation †" deep thinking & understanding on the meaning of the mantra and its correct usage and what we have to achieve. It is by contemplation we become one with the form of that mantra / mantra devatha †" understanding its true form. Unless we understand its true form, we cannot achieve anything †" use it. > > This information will not be available in the text books. That is why it was dictated that any one cannot recite any mantra / sooktha , do poojas / rituals without proper initiation †" guidance. > > Just take the case , > > You received a tool a thick flat piece of iron with hexagonal cutting on both ends †" called a spanner. You carry it every day, you also get the knowledge that it used to tighten or loosen a nut. After a few days of practice and thinking, applying etc you shall master its correct usage †" to apply the correct pressure and weight †" not to over tight the nut etc. or the correct way to handle it when loosening a nut. It is with this proper understanding you shall achieve the best results. So also is mantra or poojas. > > yam yam chinthayate kaamyam > tam tam prapnothi nischitam > > Whatever one thinks / contemplates on †" " chinthayate " †" " kaamyam " †" one earns for, that he shall achieve for sure. > > The word " chinta " also refers to - always thinking about- aim, focus > > without determination, one cannot focus or aim. > > This points further, to the necessity of contemplation, determination and usage of mantra etc. So without contemplation, determination and knowledge of usage one shall not achieve anything. Finally for all this to work out one needs to have unflinching faith also. > > Faith is the anchor that keeps us deep rooted to our goal, from level first to the lever third because it is easy to get frustrated and let go. > > It is all more the reason why a guru is needed for guidance. > > Narendra had all the knowledge but it only when he met Shree Ramakrishna Parama Hamsa and with his touch become great Swami Vivekananda as we know him today. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > Dear Friends, > > Though the thread brings value addition to JR,awareness of nitty,gritties is also essential as part of JR topic for discusion. > > Many people talk and inform also they are doing japa for 20000 times on his and is also awaiting pacification. .It is most important as Shri Suresh ji observed that purpose and determination along with devotion are important elements for remedial aspects and for expecting results out of such a difficult exercise.So knowing that "  purpose of reciting the stotra / mantra etc but essentially prayoga †" application. > > Probably when we recite or intend to read from a book " Mantras, Sookthas & Veda are totally different importance is given for the vibration and changes that gets intiated and " become out of the perview of devotion " here the kind of sounds that come carry effect to set the right course of environment to give remedies and and pacify bad effects.No doubt these come as sources of knowledge > > For that matter any stotram is to invoke and praise the lord and needs devotion to get the grace of lord. > > But with times changing media permitting,purohits are replaced through CDs/DVD's etc.How effective they are time only has to address.But it is beyond doubt that when it is done with customs and tradition and throgh a Guru/Purohit and the benifit could be witnessed without much time lag.Also done at home and at temple through a Priest has also significance. Further diversion on these issues probably is not with in the perview of this thread. > >  > > One cannot do whatever one likes / could do. > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > >  > > > > --- On Sat, 9/12/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > Re: Re: Stotra Recitation > > > > Saturday, September 12, 2009, 7:33 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > I am a little cautious about commenting on this subject. There are different acharas and depend on variety of reasons. However, the basic reasoning, meaning and application is practically same in all the tantras / agamas. > >  > > The  " Viniyogaâ€Â� means usage †" for what?. How? > > The  " Karishyeâ€Â� †" means do †" what? Why? > >  > > Both are actually  " sankalpaâ€Â� but application is different. > >  > > The ritual of pouring water though the hand down the fingers is done only when  " karishyeâ€Â� is uttered  (Sankalpa) and not for  " Viniyogâ€Â� (Prayog) > >  > > In fact there is more to this than merely pouring water. Unless the whole ritual is not done according to the agama / tantra, there is no point in doing it half way. > >  > > Either do it as prescribed or recite the stotras without accompanying rituals. > >  > > For example Vishnu Sahasranama could be recited without any rituals or complete with Sankalpa, nyasa, kalasha pooja, avahana, shodashopachara pooja, archana (with Sahasranama) , Avarana pooja, Arathi , naivedhya, Maha Navedhya, Maha Arathi, kshamapana prarthana etc. The rituals involved could be elaborate or simplified according to situation, custome & need. > >  > > I shall illustrate with example of both. > > Shree Rudra > >  > > asya shree rudradhyaaya maha mantrasya aghora rishi: > > anushtup chanda: > > sankarshanamoorthis varoopo yo asaavaadithya: > > paramapurusha: sa esha mrinthyunjayarudro devatha > > nama: shivaayeti beejam > > shivatharaayeti shakthi: > > nama: somaayethi keelakam > > somaskandaparameshw ara prasaadasidhyarthe VINIYOGA: > >  > > Here Viniyoga: means I am going to use / apply / exercise the following FOR The grace of  " somaskandaparamesh w araâ€Â�. > >  > > In fact when reciting the above, there are other observations to be done. I already told that it is  " Sankalpaâ€Â� - The purpose of reciting the stotra / mantra etc but essentially prayoga †" application. Which means I have to decide why I am reciting it †" the real purpose should be visualized and born in mind. > >  > > The second thing is to become one with the whole being of that stotra whether it is advaitha or dwaitha. Here bear in mind that it is the higher authority that we are seeking grace from and that authority adheres to dharma alone. So I cannot be different from that authorities gunas. I have to try and become one with it. > >  > >  > > With the above point of view, > > When Rishi is mentioned, I will touch the top of my head, when chandas is mentioned, I will touch my mouth, devatha is mentioned, I will touch my heart. This is to symbolize and firmly establish myself with what I am doing or going to do. > >  > > Before going to the prayoga part  Achaman, pranayam  and sankalpa also should be done. The word  " Karishyeâ€Â� is used with sankalpa and not prayoga (Viniyog). > >  > >  > > The sankalpa could be used in a different way also.     > >  " achamya, prananayamya, --- > > Varthamaane vyavaharike > > ………naama samvatsare > > ----------ayane > > ----------ritau > > ----------maase > > ---------pakshe triteeyaam etc > > ---------vaasare > > Poorvokta evam guna vishesheNa vishishtaayaam > > Shubha puNyathitau > > Anantha kalyana gunaparipoorna ksheerabdishaayii > > Shree Vishnu preeranayaa > > Shree Vishnu preethyartham > > Asmaakam sarveshaam sakutumbaanaam > > Kshemasyaiyaayuraar oghya eishwairyaabhivridh yartham > > Chaturvidha punya purushartha sidhyartham > > Mama iha janmani janmaantare cha samastha > > Paapakshaya poorvakam > > Yaavajjeeva saumangalya vridhaye > > Putra pautraadhyabhishta praapthaye > > Shree swarna gauree preethyartham cha > > Yathaamilithopachaa raiH gauree poojaaM KARISHYE †" (ithi sankalpam) > >  > > Water is poured now when the word  " Karishteâ€Â� is spelt. > > " asmaakam " . when the sankalpa is done by the person himself - for whom it is done > > other wise name etc is mentioned if the sankalpa is given by another person - prabably by purohit himself. > >  > > Now see the difference in usage. > > Lakshmee Hridayam > > Shree ganeshaya nama > > Aachamya praanaanaayamya > > Deshakalau samkeertya ( as above) > > Shree lakshmee naraayana prasaadasidhyaa > > Mamaabhishtakaamana a sidhyartham > > Adhyaprabhrutya amukadinaparyantham > > Samkaliikaranareeth ya > > Samputeekanariitya > > Purashchanareethya > > Sakridaavarthana reethya vaa > > Lakshmee naarayanahridaya japaakhyam karma karishye †" pour water here. > >  > > Itit sankalpya nyaasadi kuryaath > > Asya shree mahaalakshmee hridaya maalaa mantrasya > > Bhaarghava rishiH > > Aadhyaadi shree mahaalakshmeerdevat ha > > Anushtupaati naanaa chandaamsi > > Sheerbeejam > > Hreem sakthiH > > Aim keelakam > > Shree mahaa lakshmee prasaada sidhyarthe jape viniyogaH †" note this.. No water shoud be poured here. > >  > > The usage  " japam aham karishyeâ€Â� is also wrong.  " japam karishyeâ€Â� is enough and correct. > >  > > Some times the sankalpa is given and purohit does the pooja for the native if the native do not have authority / does not know / cannot do the pooja / japa etc.  Yes, do not mistake me.Japa also are and could be done by purohit for the sake of others. This is pure tantra and beyond the scope of this discussion. > >  > > Some of the rituals could be simplified but should conform to the basic principles of agama / tantra. One cannot do whatever one likes / could do. Excuses such as  " this is what my teacher taught meâ€Â� or  " my father taught meâ€Â� is irrelevant as far as science is concerned. > >  > > So also is there is nothing wrong if done with good heart. In this case, one do not require any ritual connected with agama / tantra but require only devotion. However, Mantras, Sookthas & Veda are totally different and out of the perview of devotion †" though devotion is absolutely necessary.. > >  > > To illustrate the point, I shaal narrate a small story from Ramayana. > > Once Lord Hanuman had to fight with Lord Rama. †" a fight between the lord and devotee. > >   > > Lord Rama tells to Hanuman †"  " You very well know who I am and the power of my arrow †" rama baaNâ€Â� > > Hanuman retorts back-  " raam mantra is there in every pore in my body. What can raama band doâ€Â� > >  > > This episode actually illustrates what Mantra, devotion, prayoga. Etc. > >  > > Shree Ramachandra arrow could not do any harm on the body of Lord Hanuman.  > >  > > Hope this will help all. > >  > >  > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > >  > > > >___________ _________ _________ ___ > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > Saturday, September 12, 2009 8:15:37 AM > > Re: Re: Stotra Recitation > > > >  > > Sunil Ji, > > what a nice way of clarifying the doubts and identify difference between Viniyoagha and stotraha. > > Normally Viniyogaha is water left in bowl after stotra.Water for stotra is meant for initiation and to be sacrified by putting a twig of tulasi leaves in a container and for vinyoga purpose consume through a copper/silver spoon > > Stotra water can be used for suddhi and sanctification of the house too > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > >  > > > > --- On Fri, 9/11/09, sunilsingh20022001 <sunilsingh20022001 @ > wrote: > > > > sunilsingh20022001 <sunilsingh20022001 @ > > > Re: Stotra Recitation > > > > Friday, September 11, 2009, 11:58 AM > > > >  > > > > Dear Sushma Ji, > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > Please find the answers- > > >>I recite Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra, Mahaamrityunjaya Stotra, and Chandrashekhar Ashtakam daily in the morning. Would you kindly tell me if I have to put water in the metal (any metal or any specific metal) bowl for these Mantra and Stotra? > > ** Yes.Those are the mantra/stotra for pushti karm. You should keep the water in bowl while reciting and drink after completion of mantra/stotra. > > >>I recite Raam Rakshaa Stotra also. So should I keep some water in a bowl throughout the time I recite it, then I should pour it in the roots of a tree? or drink it? > > ** You should drink it. > > >>By the way, is Viniyog water different and Stotra water different? > > or the same water can be used for both. Like, I keep some water in a bowl. While reading the Viniyog, I should take some water in my right palm, read the Viniyog and drop it in a plate. The rest of the water should be kept for the period of reciting the whole Stotra and then - it should be drank or poured in the root of a tree? > > ** Yes.Viniyoga water and stotra water is different.You should pour the water to a plant or tree which you have used for viniyoga. So You can use one plate and one bowl or two bowls.After pooja consume the water which is energised by mantra. > > >>I have been reciting them for over one and half years. I have heard that Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra is good for health, but I am not seeing any improvement in my health. > > ** There is no doubt that Mahamritunjaya mantra can bring good health. Use rudraksh rosary and before chanting Mahamritunjaya mantra chant vashishthha mantra 108 times- VAM VASHISHTHHAAYA NAMAH. > > To get rid of your health problem you can also read ' MAYURESH STOTRA ' this would definitely give you very good result. > > IMP- If you have been reading Ram Raksha Stotra then this very good time to get maximum benifit of this stotra.From 19 Sept navaratra will start. Recite Ram Raksha Stotra 11 times daily in front of photo of ram darabar ( Ram,Lakshaman, Sita, Hanuman )for nine days.Don't take onion or garlic and help to needy people to the best of your ability.Before recition of Ram raksha Stotra worship Hanuman. Read Hanuman Chalisa atleast. You will get siddhi of Ram Raksha Stotra.After navaratra you should read that stotra once as usual. > > Best Regards > > Sunil > > > > , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sunil JI > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > I am so grateful to you for your quick reply. Your this reply has arisen a few questions more about Mantra ans Stotra -- > > > > > > (1) I recite Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra, Mahaamrityunjaya Stotra, and Chandrashekhar Ashtakam daily in the morning. Would you kindly tell me if I have to put water in the metal (any metal or any specific metal) bowl for these Mantra and Stotra? > > > > > > (2) I recite Raam Rakshaa Stotra also. So should I keep some water in a bowl throughout the time I recite it, then I should pour it in the roots of a tree? or drink it? > > > > > > By the way, is Viniyog water different and Stotra water different? > > > or the same water can be used for both. Like, I keep some water in a bowl.. While reading the Viniyog, I should take some water in my right palm, read the Viniyog and drop it in a plate. The rest of the water should be kept for the period of reciting the whole Stotra and then - it should be drank or poured in the root of a tree? > > > > > > Please guide me in detail so that I can get maximum benefits of these Mantra and Stotra. I will be so grateful to you. I have been reciting them for over one and half years. I have heard that Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra is good for health, but I am not seeing any improvement in my health. > > > Thanks and with all my regards to you > > > Sushma > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sunilsingh20022001 " <sunilsingh20022001 @> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sushma Ji, > > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > > Please Find the answers- > > > > >>(1) The people who live in USA and Canada, they have their rooms carpeted. Then ehere to drop the water from the palm after the Viniyog? Can it be dropped in a metal plate or bowl, and if yes then what to do of it afterwards? > > > > ** Yes, You can drop in plate or bowl.Then after pooja, pour that water to some plant or tree. > > > > >> (2) I have heard that while reciting a Mantra(may be 108 times), one should keep some water in frontof him, and after recitation it should be drank. This gives btter results of the Mantra recited. Is it true? > > > > ** It is always true for the mantra that you are chanting for 'Pushti Karm'(means to strenghthen yourself). But there are many types of mantras and prayog other than pushti karm and complex methodology to perform that. So I am not sure that it is true in all the cases. > > > > >> And if it is true for Mantra recitation, then is it true for the Stotra also? > > > > ** It is true for stotra also. But it is essential for some stotra. For example, for persons suffering from eye diseases it is recommended to read 'Chakshush Upanishad' 12 times daily and keep some water in copper bowl. After reciting the stotra, apply some water on eyes and drink the reamining water.Person will definitely get relief within very short span of time. For Ram Raksha Stotra also it is always recommended. > > > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > Sunil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > > > Thanks a lot for the useful information about Stotra recitation you have been giving. > > > > > > > > > > I also wish to ask a couple of questions about it - > > > > > (1) The people who live in USA and Canada, they have their rooms carpeted. Then ehere to drop the water from the palm after the Viniyog? Can it be dropped in a metal plate or bowl, and if yes then what to do of it afterwards? > > > > > > > > > > (2) I have heard that while reciting a Mantra(may be 108 times), one should keep some water in frontof him, and after recitation it should be drank. This gives btter results of the Mantra recited. Is it true? > > > > > > > > > > And if it is true for Mantra recitation, then is it true for the Stotra also? > > > > > > > > > > With regards > > > > > Sushma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 Respected Suresh Ji, Thanks for attention. I am sorry for delayed reply due to heavy workload. Actually I am trying to clarify why I wrote to recite hanuman Chalisa before Ram Raksha Stotra.You wrote- >>I saw another comment that Hanuman Chalisa should be recited before Rama Raksha stotra. I do not understand the logic. Shree Ramchandra is the lord and Hanuma was his devotee. Hanuman is more pleased when his lord is pleased. There are many pointers in puranas & smrithis where Hanuman wanted his lord - as Shree Ramachandra or Lord Narashimha to invoked before propitiating him. ** It is abolutely true that Hanuman Ji is devotee of Ram and Hanuman is more pleased when Ram is pleased. Ram is avatar of Vishnu and Hanuman is avatar of Rudra. Nobody can seperate them. Vishnu worshipped Shiva by the thousand names of him. Pleased by his worship Shiva gave him Sudarshan Chakra.Before going to Lanka Ram installed Shivalinga in Rameshwaram and worshipped him.That is the basic charater of devas to respect each other. Let me clear the main point why I wrote to recite Hanuman Chalisa before Ram Raksha Stotra. In our shashtras several pramans are given. So in case of any doubt one can consult and clear the doubt. Shankaracharya gave 8 pramans. 1.Pratyaksha 2.Anuman 3.Shabda 4.Upaman 5.Arthapatti 6.Anupalabdhi 7.Sambhav 8.Atihya Very few people have got the darshan of God.So we can not prove anything regarding that by pratyaksha praman.Only third one " Shabda " praman applies everywhere.Shabda praman is also called " Aapta Vachan " .Every thing which is described in Vedas is true for any Aastik. Since it is said that " Nastiko veda nindakah " ,so it needs no proof for aastik people. Similarly the teachings of some great sages like Vashishtha, Vishvamitra, Vyas, Parashar are Aaptavachans and needs no proof. Gowami Tulsi Das has got darshan of Ram,Lakshman and Hanuman and wrote " Ram Charit Manas " which is universally accepted so he can be deemed as Aaptapurush. " Hanuman Chalisa " is also written by Tulsi Das. So let us see the chaupais of Hanuman Chalisa- RAAM DUVAARE TUM RAKHAVAARE HOT NA AAGYAA BINU PAISAARE Hanumanji! You are sentinel at the door of Ram's mercy. Nobody can enter without your permission. TUMAHRE BHAJAN RAAM KO BHAAVEN JANAM JANAM KE DUKH BISARAAVEN Hanumanji! Ram is pleased through devotion to you and one becomes free from sufferings of several lives. Goswami Tulsi Das stayed in Kashi, and during his stay, while returning from answering the calls of nature,Tulsi das used to throw the water that was left in his water-pot at the roots of tree. One spirit was occupying that tree. One day spirit told that " I am pleased by your service, get a boon from me " .Tulsi das replied " Let me have darshan of Ram " . Spirit said that is beyond my capability but Hanuman can help you. Go to Hanuman temple,there Hanuman comes in the guise of a leper to hear " Valmiki Ramayan " as the first hearer and leaves the place last of all. Surrender to him he will help you. Tulsi Das met Hanuman and Hanuman gave him Shiv mantra, and ordered him to go to Chitrakoot and chant the mantra for six months. After six months Ram and Lakshman appeared before him but Tulsi Das did not recognise. Then Hanuman told him to the sadhana again on second time though Ram and Lakshman was standing in front of him and spread the " Tilak " on forehead of Tulsi Das, Tulsi Das did not recognize. Hanuman Ji appeared in the form of parrot and started to sing the chaupai- CHITRAKOOT KE GHAAT PAR BHAI SANTAN KI BHEER TULSIDAS CHANDAN GHISEN TILAK DET RAGHUBEER So from beginning to end Hanuman helped to Tulsidas to reach to Ram's divine abode. So if we are doing some specific Anushthan of Hanuman we should first worship Ram, and if we are doing Anushthan of Ram then we should first worship Hanuman. I was asked to do so by great devotee of Ram of Rajapur (in Chitrakoot district of U.P).Rajapur is birth place of Gosvami Tulsidas. Some methods are popular in specific region due to tradition of that region so we can never reach to conclusion.So again the main thing is devotion. Best Regards & Pranam Sunil , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Dear Sushma, > > The sole reason for my postings is to remove the confussions and misunderstangs. > You have used the word " professional knowledge " . or lack of it. > > Yes, it is for this very reason our sages also gave simple stotras and at little bit higher level- ashtotharas & sahasranamas of dieties. > > But Vedas, sookthas, mantras and rituals come under professional knowledge. > > Even some of called professionals do not know the real meaning or application of these tantras. They just go through the rituals. > > That is not the point. > > The fact what can or should the ordinary people do to propitiate as diety. > > The most important factor is faith, determination and understanding. > > Faith & determination needs no explanation, but " understanding " do. > > Here come factor of " Sankalpa " & " dhyana " and " bhavana " . > Sankalpa= why I am doing it > Dhyana = to visualise the form of diety. Note that it is not simply meditation but meditation on the form of diety. > Bhavana = This is ultimate secret in the process. It is not easy to explain this. > > for example: when you recite hanuman chalisa, > Sankalpa = why you are reciting it?. > It could be for your general welfare > it could be for curing illness / death > it could be for removing obstacles > it could be for gaining the devotion and knowledge of truth. > it could be for success in education > > dhyana = you meditate on the form of Hanuman appropriate for the sankalpa. > It could be for your general welfare = You meditate on the form of Hanuman decked with with ornaments dressed in silk robe etc > it could be for curing illness / death = you meditate on the form of Hanuman who brought mrithasanjeevani for curing lakshmana > it could be for removing obstacles = you can meditate on the form of Hanuman who jumbed the ocean > it could be for gaining the devotion and knowledge of truth.= you can meditate on the form of Hanuman who sits with his opened heart. > it could be for success in education= You can meditate on the form of hanuman who is standing with his folded hands. > > Bhavana= This depends on the purpose- sankalpa. Suppose it is for education, You vissualise, the form of Hanuman standing in front of Lord Sun standing on Hanamanthasana (with one leg) and hands joined upwards to learn vedas- you visualise that that you are receiving the energy and knowledge through Lord Hanuman. > > This is what transfers the results to you. I am not sure if you understand this properly. > > Ultimately without devotion one cannot achieve any thing - even in material life - " devoted to his work " ?? > > Even when reciting simple stotras one can go through the above process and its requires no special rituals. It is all mental. > > So next time you recite Hanuman chalisa or sahasranama try to fix you mind like above. > > Mrithyunjaya Mantras and others Mantras are more complicated because it also requires one to carefull in Ucharana. Why?. > > This the very basic teaching of Ramayana. > > Sage Valmiki (Ratnakara) was a mere forest dweller. He did not know any mantras or rituals. Sage Narada asked him to repeat the words " mara " . we know that after a few years he discovered " Ram " . > > Sage Narada knew the secret of words & consonents and what they will do. Ratnakara when he started he knew nothing about " Ram " as mantra or Shree Rama chandra. It is due to Ucharana that he dicovered it. > > I have many times stressed this point. This story actually proves it. > > It should be noted that certain mantras also has certain rules to be followed. > > Maha Mrithyunjaya Mantra Should NEVER be recited with full stomach. It should only be recited when your stomach is empty - ie before taking food. So, it is best recited early morning. You can recite it in the evening also, if you have fasted for the whole day. > > People who advice otherwise do not know the reason for this. It is part of tantra and goes much deeper. Ordinary persons do not understand all this, that is why it was left to " professionals " . > > It is just like, certain medicines should be taken after food and certain others before food. Similarly some Mantras also may have rules attached to them. > > I saw another comment that Hanuman Chalisa should be recited before Rama Raksha stotra. I do not understand the logic. > > Shree Ramchandra is the lord and Hanuma was his devotee. Hanuman is more pleased when his lord is pleased. There are many pointers in puranas & smrithis where Hanuman wanted his lord - as Shree Ramachandra or Lord Narashimha to invoked before propitiating him. > > Hence it is always better to recite Rama raksha stotra or ashtothara before propitiating Lord Hanuman. > > Those who do not the proper ucharana etc of mrithyunjaya mantra, they can recite mrinthyunjaya stotra etc. The mantra is embeded in these stotras but requires no special initiation or procedure. > > feel free to ask for any specific clarification. > > Hope this helps you. > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee@> wrote: > > > > Dear Suresh Babu Ji > > Thanks a lot for posting this. It is really a complex thing. People like us can get easily confused because of lack of profssional knowledge. > > > > Whenever I discuss this Mantra subject with some specialist, I get some new information and get more confused and start thinking that we ordinary people can never recite Mantra or Stotra, because everytime there will be some mistake in it. > > > > I don't know what to do for this? > > With regards > > Sushma > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@> wrote: > > > > > > I am a little cautious about commenting on this subject. There are different acharas and depend on variety of reasons. However, the basic reasoning, meaning and application is practically same in all the tantras / agamas. > > >  > > > The “Viniyoga†means usage †" for what?. How? > > > The “Karishye††" means do †" what? Why? > > >  > > > Both are actually “sankalpa†but application is different. > > >  > > > The ritual of pouring water though the hand down the fingers is done only when “karishye†is uttered  (Sankalpa) and not for “Viniyog†(Prayog) > > >  > > > In fact there is more to this than merely pouring water. Unless the whole ritual is not done according to the agama / tantra, there is no point in doing it half way. > > >  > > > Either do it as prescribed or recite the stotras without accompanying rituals. > > >  > > > For example Vishnu Sahasranama could be recited without any rituals or complete with Sankalpa, nyasa, kalasha pooja, avahana, shodashopachara pooja, archana (with Sahasranama), Avarana pooja, Arathi , naivedhya, Maha Navedhya, Maha Arathi, kshamapana prarthana etc. The rituals involved could be elaborate or simplified according to situation, custome & need. > > >  > > > I shall illustrate with example of both. > > > Shree Rudra > > >  > > > asya shree rudradhyaaya maha mantrasya aghora rishi: > > > anushtup chanda: > > > sankarshanamoorthisvaroopo yo asaavaadithya: > > > paramapurusha: sa esha mrinthyunjayarudro devatha > > > nama: shivaayeti beejam > > > shivatharaayeti shakthi: > > > nama: somaayethi keelakam > > > somaskandaparameshwara prasaadasidhyarthe VINIYOGA: > > >  > > > Here Viniyoga: means I am going to use / apply / exercise the following FOR The grace of “somaskandaparameshwaraâ€. > > >  > > > In fact when reciting the above, there are other observations to be done. I already told that it is “Sankalpaâ€Â - The purpose of reciting the stotra / mantra etc but essentially prayoga †" application. Which means I have to decide why I am reciting it †" the real purpose should be visualized and born in mind. > > >  > > > The second thing is to become one with the whole being of that stotra whether it is advaitha or dwaitha. Here bear in mind that it is the higher authority that we are seeking grace from and that authority adheres to dharma alone. So I cannot be different from that authorities gunas. I have to try and become one with it. > > >  > > >  > > > With the above point of view, > > > When Rishi is mentioned, I will touch the top of my head, when chandas is mentioned, I will touch my mouth, devatha is mentioned, I will touch my heart. This is to symbolize and firmly establish myself with what I am doing or going to do. > > >  > > > Before going to the prayoga part  Achaman, pranayam  and sankalpa also should be done. The word “Karishye†is used with sankalpa and not prayoga (Viniyog). > > >  > > >  > > > The sankalpa could be used in a different way also.     > > > “achamya, prananayamya,--- > > > Varthamaane vyavaharike > > > ………naama samvatsare > > > ----------ayane > > > ----------ritau > > > ----------maase > > > ---------pakshe triteeyaam etc > > > ---------vaasare > > > Poorvokta evam guna vishesheNa vishishtaayaam > > > Shubha puNyathitau > > > Anantha kalyana gunaparipoorna ksheerabdishaayii > > > Shree Vishnu preeranayaa > > > Shree Vishnu preethyartham > > > Asmaakam sarveshaam sakutumbaanaam > > > Kshemasyaiyaayuraaroghya eishwairyaabhivridhyartham > > > Chaturvidha punya purushartha sidhyartham > > > Mama iha janmani janmaantare cha samastha > > > Paapakshaya poorvakam > > > Yaavajjeeva saumangalya vridhaye > > > Putra pautraadhyabhishta praapthaye > > > Shree swarna gauree preethyartham cha > > > YathaamilithopachaaraiH gauree poojaaM KARISHYE †" (ithi sankalpam) > > >  > > > Water is poured now when the word “Karishte†is spelt. > > > " asmaakam " . when the sankalpa is done by the person himself - for whom it is done > > > other wise name etc is mentioned if the sankalpa is given by another person - prabably by purohit himself. > > >  > > > Now see the difference in usage. > > > Lakshmee Hridayam > > > Shree ganeshaya nama > > > Aachamya praanaanaayamya > > > Deshakalau samkeertya ( as above) > > > Shree lakshmee naraayana prasaadasidhyaa > > > Mamaabhishtakaamanaa sidhyartham > > > Adhyaprabhrutya amukadinaparyantham > > > Samkaliikaranareethya > > > Samputeekanariitya > > > Purashchanareethya > > > Sakridaavarthana reethya vaa > > > Lakshmee naarayanahridaya japaakhyam karma karishye †" pour water here. > > >  > > > Itit sankalpya nyaasadi kuryaath > > > Asya shree mahaalakshmee hridaya maalaa mantrasya > > > Bhaarghava rishiH > > > Aadhyaadi shree mahaalakshmeerdevatha > > > Anushtupaati naanaa chandaamsi > > > Sheerbeejam > > > Hreem sakthiH > > > Aim keelakam > > > Shree mahaa lakshmee prasaada sidhyarthe jape viniyogaH †" note this. No water shoud be poured here. > > >  > > > The usage “japam aham karishye†is also wrong. “japam karishye†is enough and correct. > > >  > > > Some times the sankalpa is given and purohit does the pooja for the native if the native do not have authority / does not know / cannot do the pooja / japa etc.  Yes, do not mistake me.Japa also are and could be done by purohit for the sake of others. This is pure tantra and beyond the scope of this discussion. > > >  > > > Some of the rituals could be simplified but should conform to the basic principles of agama / tantra. One cannot do whatever one likes / could do. Excuses such as “this is what my teacher taught me†or “my father taught me†is irrelevant as far as science is concerned. > > >  > > > So also is there is nothing wrong if done with good heart. In this case, one do not require any ritual connected with agama / tantra but require only devotion. However, Mantras, Sookthas & Veda are totally different and out of the perview of devotion †" though devotion is absolutely necessary. > > >  > > > To illustrate the point, I shaal narrate a small story from Ramayana. > > > Once Lord Hanuman had to fight with Lord Rama. †" a fight between the lord and devotee. > > >   > > > Lord Rama tells to Hanuman †" “You very well know who I am and the power of my arrow †" rama baaN†> > > Hanuman retorts back- “raam mantra is there in every pore in my body. What can raama band do†> > >  > > > This episode actually illustrates what Mantra, devotion, prayoga. Etc. > > >  > > > Shree Ramachandra arrow could not do any harm on the body of Lord Hanuman.  > > >  > > > Hope this will help all. > > >  > > >  > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > >  > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > > > Saturday, September 12, 2009 8:15:37 AM > > > Re: Re: Stotra Recitation > > > > > >  > > > Sunil Ji, > > > what a nice way of clarifying the doubts and identify difference between Viniyoagha and stotraha. > > > Normally Viniyogaha is water left in bowl after stotra.Water for stotra is meant for initiation and to be sacrified by putting a twig of tulasi leaves in a container and for vinyoga purpose consume through a copper/silver spoon > > > Stotra water can be used for suddhi and sanctification of the house too > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > (For all counseling services) > > >  > > > > > > --- On Fri, 9/11/09, sunilsingh20022001 <sunilsingh20022001@ > wrote: > > > > > > sunilsingh20022001 <sunilsingh20022001@ > > > > Re: Stotra Recitation > > > > > > Friday, September 11, 2009, 11:58 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear Sushma Ji, > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > Please find the answers- > > > >>I recite Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra, Mahaamrityunjaya Stotra, and Chandrashekhar Ashtakam daily in the morning. Would you kindly tell me if I have to put water in the metal (any metal or any specific metal) bowl for these Mantra and Stotra? > > > ** Yes.Those are the mantra/stotra for pushti karm. You should keep the water in bowl while reciting and drink after completion of mantra/stotra. > > > >>I recite Raam Rakshaa Stotra also. So should I keep some water in a bowl throughout the time I recite it, then I should pour it in the roots of a tree? or drink it? > > > ** You should drink it. > > > >>By the way, is Viniyog water different and Stotra water different? > > > or the same water can be used for both. Like, I keep some water in a bowl. While reading the Viniyog, I should take some water in my right palm, read the Viniyog and drop it in a plate. The rest of the water should be kept for the period of reciting the whole Stotra and then - it should be drank or poured in the root of a tree? > > > ** Yes.Viniyoga water and stotra water is different.You should pour the water to a plant or tree which you have used for viniyoga. So You can use one plate and one bowl or two bowls.After pooja consume the water which is energised by mantra. > > > >>I have been reciting them for over one and half years. I have heard that Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra is good for health, but I am not seeing any improvement in my health. > > > ** There is no doubt that Mahamritunjaya mantra can bring good health. Use rudraksh rosary and before chanting Mahamritunjaya mantra chant vashishthha mantra 108 times- VAM VASHISHTHHAAYA NAMAH. > > > To get rid of your health problem you can also read ' MAYURESH STOTRA ' this would definitely give you very good result. > > > IMP- If you have been reading Ram Raksha Stotra then this very good time to get maximum benifit of this stotra.From 19 Sept navaratra will start. Recite Ram Raksha Stotra 11 times daily in front of photo of ram darabar ( Ram,Lakshaman, Sita, Hanuman )for nine days.Don't take onion or garlic and help to needy people to the best of your ability.Before recition of Ram raksha Stotra worship Hanuman. Read Hanuman Chalisa atleast. You will get siddhi of Ram Raksha Stotra.After navaratra you should read that stotra once as usual. > > > Best Regards > > > Sunil > > > > > > , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil JI > > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > > I am so grateful to you for your quick reply. Your this reply has arisen a few questions more about Mantra ans Stotra -- > > > > > > > > (1) I recite Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra, Mahaamrityunjaya Stotra, and Chandrashekhar Ashtakam daily in the morning. Would you kindly tell me if I have to put water in the metal (any metal or any specific metal) bowl for these Mantra and Stotra? > > > > > > > > (2) I recite Raam Rakshaa Stotra also. So should I keep some water in a bowl throughout the time I recite it, then I should pour it in the roots of a tree? or drink it? > > > > > > > > By the way, is Viniyog water different and Stotra water different? > > > > or the same water can be used for both. Like, I keep some water in a bowl. While reading the Viniyog, I should take some water in my right palm, read the Viniyog and drop it in a plate. The rest of the water should be kept for the period of reciting the whole Stotra and then - it should be drank or poured in the root of a tree? > > > > > > > > Please guide me in detail so that I can get maximum benefits of these Mantra and Stotra. I will be so grateful to you. I have been reciting them for over one and half years. I have heard that Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra is good for health, but I am not seeing any improvement in my health. > > > > Thanks and with all my regards to you > > > > Sushma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sunilsingh20022001 " <sunilsingh20022001 @> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sushma Ji, > > > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > > > Please Find the answers- > > > > > >>(1) The people who live in USA and Canada, they have their rooms carpeted. Then ehere to drop the water from the palm after the Viniyog? Can it be dropped in a metal plate or bowl, and if yes then what to do of it afterwards? > > > > > ** Yes, You can drop in plate or bowl.Then after pooja, pour that water to some plant or tree. > > > > > >> (2) I have heard that while reciting a Mantra(may be 108 times), one should keep some water in frontof him, and after recitation it should be drank. This gives btter results of the Mantra recited. Is it true? > > > > > ** It is always true for the mantra that you are chanting for 'Pushti Karm'(means to strenghthen yourself). But there are many types of mantras and prayog other than pushti karm and complex methodology to perform that. So I am not sure that it is true in all the cases. > > > > > >> And if it is true for Mantra recitation, then is it true for the Stotra also? > > > > > ** It is true for stotra also. But it is essential for some stotra. For example, for persons suffering from eye diseases it is recommended to read 'Chakshush Upanishad' 12 times daily and keep some water in copper bowl. After reciting the stotra, apply some water on eyes and drink the reamining water.Person will definitely get relief within very short span of time. For Ram Raksha Stotra also it is always recommended. > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > > Sunil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > > > > Thanks a lot for the useful information about Stotra recitation you have been giving. > > > > > > > > > > > > I also wish to ask a couple of questions about it - > > > > > > (1) The people who live in USA and Canada, they have their rooms carpeted. Then ehere to drop the water from the palm after the Viniyog? Can it be dropped in a metal plate or bowl, and if yes then what to do of it afterwards? > > > > > > > > > > > > (2) I have heard that while reciting a Mantra(may be 108 times), one should keep some water in frontof him, and after recitation it should be drank. This gives btter results of the Mantra recited. Is it true? > > > > > > > > > > > > And if it is true for Mantra recitation, then is it true for the Stotra also? > > > > > > > > > > > > With regards > > > > > > Sushma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 Dear Sunil ji, I don't know what or how to comment on your post. This is because your writings are centered on the factor of devotion and my on prayoga - tantra. As far as devotion is concerned does the prathyaksha pramana & related theory actually work? I do not think so. In fact no one shall. The basis of pramanas are logic and logic is the basis of science. But devotion or love do not adhere to any logic - it solely depends on the soul & mind - emotions. Where as Tantra, prayoga are based on pramana - logic. Why is it better to propitiate Ram before propitiating Lord Hanunam?. The beeja askshara of the Rama Mantra is " ra " which is agni tatwa. while Hanuman is Vayu. if ra=agni=rudra then why is ra=ram=Vishnu and not ram=rudra? Ram is also surya vamshi (while Krishna is chandra vamshi). so if ram=surya & surya = rudra then ram should be rudra. why is that ram = vishnu? The fact is there is far higher greater science involved than what is understood at the base level. Now comming back to our discussion, Of all the pancha bhootas, Agni has a special place and is considered to sacred of all. why? It is the only element that does not get changed when it comes into contact with others. AND it not only purifies but also consumes it. This is also the reason why agni is propitiated every where. As far as the question of propitiating ram first for getting Hanuman and Vice Versa does also depend on what & why one is doing and what he expects to achieve. As far as prayes dependant on devotions and acharas as concerend, I have mentioned several times that they might be different according various reasons, a fact you have also stated. However, again due to various reasons, a lot of misunderstandings and acharas without any basis has cropped into the system over these years. One of the main reason being families being split and non-existance of guidence from elders. My writings where on the difference of Sankalpa & prayoga and how is is used and when. discussion or argument can only be done when they are under same system. If they are different there is no point. That is also a basic pramana. The staple for of north India could wheat and that of south India rice. Can I argue that Rice is better and every one in India should only eat rice?. Hope you understand. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy , " sunilsingh20022001 " <sunilsingh20022001 wrote: > > Respected Suresh Ji, > Thanks for attention. I am sorry for delayed reply due to heavy workload. Actually I am trying to clarify why I wrote to recite hanuman Chalisa before Ram Raksha Stotra.You wrote- > >>I saw another comment that Hanuman Chalisa should be recited before Rama Raksha > stotra. I do not understand the logic. > > Shree Ramchandra is the lord and Hanuma was his devotee. Hanuman is more pleased > when his lord is pleased. There are many pointers in puranas & smrithis where > Hanuman wanted his lord - as Shree Ramachandra or Lord Narashimha to invoked > before propitiating him. > > ** It is abolutely true that Hanuman Ji is devotee of Ram and Hanuman is more pleased when Ram is pleased. Ram is avatar of Vishnu and Hanuman is avatar of Rudra. Nobody can seperate them. Vishnu worshipped Shiva by the thousand names of him. Pleased by his worship Shiva gave him Sudarshan Chakra.Before going to Lanka Ram installed Shivalinga in Rameshwaram and worshipped him.That is the basic charater of devas to respect each other. > Let me clear the main point why I wrote to recite Hanuman Chalisa before Ram Raksha Stotra. > In our shashtras several pramans are given. So in case of any doubt one can consult and clear the doubt. > Shankaracharya gave 8 pramans. > 1.Pratyaksha > 2.Anuman > 3.Shabda > 4.Upaman > 5.Arthapatti > 6.Anupalabdhi > 7.Sambhav > 8.Atihya > Very few people have got the darshan of God.So we can not prove anything regarding that by pratyaksha praman.Only third one " Shabda " praman applies everywhere.Shabda praman is also called " Aapta Vachan " .Every thing which is described in Vedas is true for any Aastik. Since it is said that " Nastiko veda nindakah " ,so it needs no proof for aastik people. Similarly the teachings of some great sages like Vashishtha, Vishvamitra, Vyas, Parashar are Aaptavachans and needs no proof. > Gowami Tulsi Das has got darshan of Ram,Lakshman and Hanuman and wrote " Ram Charit Manas " which is universally accepted so he can be deemed as Aaptapurush. > " Hanuman Chalisa " is also written by Tulsi Das. So let us see the chaupais of Hanuman Chalisa- > RAAM DUVAARE TUM RAKHAVAARE > HOT NA AAGYAA BINU PAISAARE > Hanumanji! You are sentinel at the door of Ram's mercy. Nobody can enter without your permission. > TUMAHRE BHAJAN RAAM KO BHAAVEN > JANAM JANAM KE DUKH BISARAAVEN > Hanumanji! Ram is pleased through devotion to you and one becomes free from sufferings of several lives. > Goswami Tulsi Das stayed in Kashi, and during his stay, while returning from answering the calls of nature,Tulsi das used to throw the water that was left in his water-pot at the roots of tree. One spirit was occupying that tree. One day spirit told that " I am pleased by your service, get a boon from me " .Tulsi das replied " Let me have darshan of Ram " . Spirit said that is beyond my capability but Hanuman can help you. Go to Hanuman temple,there Hanuman comes in the guise of a leper to hear " Valmiki Ramayan " as the first hearer and leaves the place last of all. Surrender to him he will help you. Tulsi Das met Hanuman and Hanuman gave him Shiv mantra, and ordered him to go to Chitrakoot and chant the mantra for six months. After six months Ram and Lakshman appeared before him but Tulsi Das did not recognise. Then Hanuman told him to the sadhana again on second time though Ram and Lakshman was standing in front of him and spread the " Tilak " on forehead of Tulsi Das, Tulsi Das did not recognize. Hanuman Ji appeared in the form of parrot and started to sing the chaupai- > CHITRAKOOT KE GHAAT PAR BHAI SANTAN KI BHEER > TULSIDAS CHANDAN GHISEN TILAK DET RAGHUBEER > So from beginning to end Hanuman helped to Tulsidas to reach to Ram's divine abode. > So if we are doing some specific Anushthan of Hanuman we should first worship Ram, and if we are doing Anushthan of Ram then we should first worship Hanuman. > I was asked to do so by great devotee of Ram of Rajapur (in Chitrakoot district of U.P).Rajapur is birth place of Gosvami Tulsidas. > Some methods are popular in specific region due to tradition of that region so we can never reach to conclusion.So again the main thing is devotion. > > Best Regards & Pranam > Sunil > > > > > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sushma, > > > > The sole reason for my postings is to remove the confussions and misunderstangs. > > You have used the word " professional knowledge " . or lack of it. > > > > Yes, it is for this very reason our sages also gave simple stotras and at little bit higher level- ashtotharas & sahasranamas of dieties. > > > > But Vedas, sookthas, mantras and rituals come under professional knowledge. > > > > Even some of called professionals do not know the real meaning or application of these tantras. They just go through the rituals. > > > > That is not the point. > > > > The fact what can or should the ordinary people do to propitiate as diety. > > > > The most important factor is faith, determination and understanding. > > > > Faith & determination needs no explanation, but " understanding " do. > > > > Here come factor of " Sankalpa " & " dhyana " and " bhavana " . > > Sankalpa= why I am doing it > > Dhyana = to visualise the form of diety. Note that it is not simply meditation but meditation on the form of diety. > > Bhavana = This is ultimate secret in the process. It is not easy to explain this. > > > > for example: when you recite hanuman chalisa, > > Sankalpa = why you are reciting it?. > > It could be for your general welfare > > it could be for curing illness / death > > it could be for removing obstacles > > it could be for gaining the devotion and knowledge of truth. > > it could be for success in education > > > > dhyana = you meditate on the form of Hanuman appropriate for the sankalpa. > > It could be for your general welfare = You meditate on the form of Hanuman decked with with ornaments dressed in silk robe etc > > it could be for curing illness / death = you meditate on the form of Hanuman who brought mrithasanjeevani for curing lakshmana > > it could be for removing obstacles = you can meditate on the form of Hanuman who jumbed the ocean > > it could be for gaining the devotion and knowledge of truth.= you can meditate on the form of Hanuman who sits with his opened heart. > > it could be for success in education= You can meditate on the form of hanuman who is standing with his folded hands. > > > > Bhavana= This depends on the purpose- sankalpa. Suppose it is for education, You vissualise, the form of Hanuman standing in front of Lord Sun standing on Hanamanthasana (with one leg) and hands joined upwards to learn vedas- you visualise that that you are receiving the energy and knowledge through Lord Hanuman. > > > > This is what transfers the results to you. I am not sure if you understand this properly. > > > > Ultimately without devotion one cannot achieve any thing - even in material life - " devoted to his work " ?? > > > > Even when reciting simple stotras one can go through the above process and its requires no special rituals. It is all mental. > > > > So next time you recite Hanuman chalisa or sahasranama try to fix you mind like above. > > > > Mrithyunjaya Mantras and others Mantras are more complicated because it also requires one to carefull in Ucharana. Why?. > > > > This the very basic teaching of Ramayana. > > > > Sage Valmiki (Ratnakara) was a mere forest dweller. He did not know any mantras or rituals. Sage Narada asked him to repeat the words " mara " . we know that after a few years he discovered " Ram " . > > > > Sage Narada knew the secret of words & consonents and what they will do. Ratnakara when he started he knew nothing about " Ram " as mantra or Shree Rama chandra. It is due to Ucharana that he dicovered it. > > > > I have many times stressed this point. This story actually proves it. > > > > It should be noted that certain mantras also has certain rules to be followed. > > > > Maha Mrithyunjaya Mantra Should NEVER be recited with full stomach. It should only be recited when your stomach is empty - ie before taking food. So, it is best recited early morning. You can recite it in the evening also, if you have fasted for the whole day. > > > > People who advice otherwise do not know the reason for this. It is part of tantra and goes much deeper. Ordinary persons do not understand all this, that is why it was left to " professionals " . > > > > It is just like, certain medicines should be taken after food and certain others before food. Similarly some Mantras also may have rules attached to them. > > > > I saw another comment that Hanuman Chalisa should be recited before Rama Raksha stotra. I do not understand the logic. > > > > Shree Ramchandra is the lord and Hanuma was his devotee. Hanuman is more pleased when his lord is pleased. There are many pointers in puranas & smrithis where Hanuman wanted his lord - as Shree Ramachandra or Lord Narashimha to invoked before propitiating him. > > > > Hence it is always better to recite Rama raksha stotra or ashtothara before propitiating Lord Hanuman. > > > > Those who do not the proper ucharana etc of mrithyunjaya mantra, they can recite mrinthyunjaya stotra etc. The mantra is embeded in these stotras but requires no special initiation or procedure. > > > > feel free to ask for any specific clarification. > > > > Hope this helps you. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Suresh Babu Ji > > > Thanks a lot for posting this. It is really a complex thing. People like us can get easily confused because of lack of profssional knowledge. > > > > > > Whenever I discuss this Mantra subject with some specialist, I get some new information and get more confused and start thinking that we ordinary people can never recite Mantra or Stotra, because everytime there will be some mistake in it. > > > > > > I don't know what to do for this? > > > With regards > > > Sushma > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I am a little cautious about commenting on this subject. There are different acharas and depend on variety of reasons. However, the basic reasoning, meaning and application is practically same in all the tantras / agamas. > > > >  > > > > The “Viniyoga†means usage †" for what?. How? > > > > The “Karishye††" means do †" what? Why? > > > >  > > > > Both are actually “sankalpa†but application is different. > > > >  > > > > The ritual of pouring water though the hand down the fingers is done only when “karishye†is uttered  (Sankalpa) and not for “Viniyog†(Prayog) > > > >  > > > > In fact there is more to this than merely pouring water. Unless the whole ritual is not done according to the agama / tantra, there is no point in doing it half way. > > > >  > > > > Either do it as prescribed or recite the stotras without accompanying rituals. > > > >  > > > > For example Vishnu Sahasranama could be recited without any rituals or complete with Sankalpa, nyasa, kalasha pooja, avahana, shodashopachara pooja, archana (with Sahasranama), Avarana pooja, Arathi , naivedhya, Maha Navedhya, Maha Arathi, kshamapana prarthana etc. The rituals involved could be elaborate or simplified according to situation, custome & need. > > > >  > > > > I shall illustrate with example of both. > > > > Shree Rudra > > > >  > > > > asya shree rudradhyaaya maha mantrasya aghora rishi: > > > > anushtup chanda: > > > > sankarshanamoorthisvaroopo yo asaavaadithya: > > > > paramapurusha: sa esha mrinthyunjayarudro devatha > > > > nama: shivaayeti beejam > > > > shivatharaayeti shakthi: > > > > nama: somaayethi keelakam > > > > somaskandaparameshwara prasaadasidhyarthe VINIYOGA: > > > >  > > > > Here Viniyoga: means I am going to use / apply / exercise the following FOR The grace of “somaskandaparameshwaraâ€. > > > >  > > > > In fact when reciting the above, there are other observations to be done. I already told that it is “Sankalpaâ€Â - The purpose of reciting the stotra / mantra etc but essentially prayoga †" application. Which means I have to decide why I am reciting it †" the real purpose should be visualized and born in mind. > > > >  > > > > The second thing is to become one with the whole being of that stotra whether it is advaitha or dwaitha. Here bear in mind that it is the higher authority that we are seeking grace from and that authority adheres to dharma alone. So I cannot be different from that authorities gunas. I have to try and become one with it. > > > >  > > > >  > > > > With the above point of view, > > > > When Rishi is mentioned, I will touch the top of my head, when chandas is mentioned, I will touch my mouth, devatha is mentioned, I will touch my heart. This is to symbolize and firmly establish myself with what I am doing or going to do. > > > >  > > > > Before going to the prayoga part  Achaman, pranayam  and sankalpa also should be done. The word “Karishye†is used with sankalpa and not prayoga (Viniyog). > > > >  > > > >  > > > > The sankalpa could be used in a different way also.     > > > > “achamya, prananayamya,--- > > > > Varthamaane vyavaharike > > > > ………naama samvatsare > > > > ----------ayane > > > > ----------ritau > > > > ----------maase > > > > ---------pakshe triteeyaam etc > > > > ---------vaasare > > > > Poorvokta evam guna vishesheNa vishishtaayaam > > > > Shubha puNyathitau > > > > Anantha kalyana gunaparipoorna ksheerabdishaayii > > > > Shree Vishnu preeranayaa > > > > Shree Vishnu preethyartham > > > > Asmaakam sarveshaam sakutumbaanaam > > > > Kshemasyaiyaayuraaroghya eishwairyaabhivridhyartham > > > > Chaturvidha punya purushartha sidhyartham > > > > Mama iha janmani janmaantare cha samastha > > > > Paapakshaya poorvakam > > > > Yaavajjeeva saumangalya vridhaye > > > > Putra pautraadhyabhishta praapthaye > > > > Shree swarna gauree preethyartham cha > > > > YathaamilithopachaaraiH gauree poojaaM KARISHYE †" (ithi sankalpam) > > > >  > > > > Water is poured now when the word “Karishte†is spelt. > > > > " asmaakam " . when the sankalpa is done by the person himself - for whom it is done > > > > other wise name etc is mentioned if the sankalpa is given by another person - prabably by purohit himself. > > > >  > > > > Now see the difference in usage. > > > > Lakshmee Hridayam > > > > Shree ganeshaya nama > > > > Aachamya praanaanaayamya > > > > Deshakalau samkeertya ( as above) > > > > Shree lakshmee naraayana prasaadasidhyaa > > > > Mamaabhishtakaamanaa sidhyartham > > > > Adhyaprabhrutya amukadinaparyantham > > > > Samkaliikaranareethya > > > > Samputeekanariitya > > > > Purashchanareethya > > > > Sakridaavarthana reethya vaa > > > > Lakshmee naarayanahridaya japaakhyam karma karishye †" pour water here. > > > >  > > > > Itit sankalpya nyaasadi kuryaath > > > > Asya shree mahaalakshmee hridaya maalaa mantrasya > > > > Bhaarghava rishiH > > > > Aadhyaadi shree mahaalakshmeerdevatha > > > > Anushtupaati naanaa chandaamsi > > > > Sheerbeejam > > > > Hreem sakthiH > > > > Aim keelakam > > > > Shree mahaa lakshmee prasaada sidhyarthe jape viniyogaH †" note this. No water shoud be poured here. > > > >  > > > > The usage “japam aham karishye†is also wrong. “japam karishye†is enough and correct. > > > >  > > > > Some times the sankalpa is given and purohit does the pooja for the native if the native do not have authority / does not know / cannot do the pooja / japa etc.  Yes, do not mistake me.Japa also are and could be done by purohit for the sake of others. This is pure tantra and beyond the scope of this discussion. > > > >  > > > > Some of the rituals could be simplified but should conform to the basic principles of agama / tantra. One cannot do whatever one likes / could do. Excuses such as “this is what my teacher taught me†or “my father taught me†is irrelevant as far as science is concerned. > > > >  > > > > So also is there is nothing wrong if done with good heart. In this case, one do not require any ritual connected with agama / tantra but require only devotion. However, Mantras, Sookthas & Veda are totally different and out of the perview of devotion †" though devotion is absolutely necessary. > > > >  > > > > To illustrate the point, I shaal narrate a small story from Ramayana. > > > > Once Lord Hanuman had to fight with Lord Rama. †" a fight between the lord and devotee. > > > >   > > > > Lord Rama tells to Hanuman †" “You very well know who I am and the power of my arrow †" rama baaN†> > > > Hanuman retorts back- “raam mantra is there in every pore in my body. What can raama band do†> > > >  > > > > This episode actually illustrates what Mantra, devotion, prayoga. Etc. > > > >  > > > > Shree Ramachandra arrow could not do any harm on the body of Lord Hanuman.  > > > >  > > > > Hope this will help all. > > > >  > > > >  > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 12, 2009 8:15:37 AM > > > > Re: Re: Stotra Recitation > > > > > > > >  > > > > Sunil Ji, > > > > what a nice way of clarifying the doubts and identify difference between Viniyoagha and stotraha. > > > > Normally Viniyogaha is water left in bowl after stotra.Water for stotra is meant for initiation and to be sacrified by putting a twig of tulasi leaves in a container and for vinyoga purpose consume through a copper/silver spoon > > > > Stotra water can be used for suddhi and sanctification of the house too > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > >  > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 9/11/09, sunilsingh20022001 <sunilsingh20022001@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > sunilsingh20022001 <sunilsingh20022001@ > > > > > Re: Stotra Recitation > > > > > > > > Friday, September 11, 2009, 11:58 AM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Sushma Ji, > > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > > Please find the answers- > > > > >>I recite Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra, Mahaamrityunjaya Stotra, and Chandrashekhar Ashtakam daily in the morning. Would you kindly tell me if I have to put water in the metal (any metal or any specific metal) bowl for these Mantra and Stotra? > > > > ** Yes.Those are the mantra/stotra for pushti karm. You should keep the water in bowl while reciting and drink after completion of mantra/stotra. > > > > >>I recite Raam Rakshaa Stotra also. So should I keep some water in a bowl throughout the time I recite it, then I should pour it in the roots of a tree? or drink it? > > > > ** You should drink it. > > > > >>By the way, is Viniyog water different and Stotra water different? > > > > or the same water can be used for both. Like, I keep some water in a bowl. While reading the Viniyog, I should take some water in my right palm, read the Viniyog and drop it in a plate. The rest of the water should be kept for the period of reciting the whole Stotra and then - it should be drank or poured in the root of a tree? > > > > ** Yes.Viniyoga water and stotra water is different.You should pour the water to a plant or tree which you have used for viniyoga. So You can use one plate and one bowl or two bowls.After pooja consume the water which is energised by mantra. > > > > >>I have been reciting them for over one and half years. I have heard that Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra is good for health, but I am not seeing any improvement in my health. > > > > ** There is no doubt that Mahamritunjaya mantra can bring good health. Use rudraksh rosary and before chanting Mahamritunjaya mantra chant vashishthha mantra 108 times- VAM VASHISHTHHAAYA NAMAH. > > > > To get rid of your health problem you can also read ' MAYURESH STOTRA ' this would definitely give you very good result. > > > > IMP- If you have been reading Ram Raksha Stotra then this very good time to get maximum benifit of this stotra.From 19 Sept navaratra will start. Recite Ram Raksha Stotra 11 times daily in front of photo of ram darabar ( Ram,Lakshaman, Sita, Hanuman )for nine days.Don't take onion or garlic and help to needy people to the best of your ability.Before recition of Ram raksha Stotra worship Hanuman. Read Hanuman Chalisa atleast. You will get siddhi of Ram Raksha Stotra.After navaratra you should read that stotra once as usual. > > > > Best Regards > > > > Sunil > > > > > > > > , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil JI > > > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > > > I am so grateful to you for your quick reply. Your this reply has arisen a few questions more about Mantra ans Stotra -- > > > > > > > > > > (1) I recite Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra, Mahaamrityunjaya Stotra, and Chandrashekhar Ashtakam daily in the morning. Would you kindly tell me if I have to put water in the metal (any metal or any specific metal) bowl for these Mantra and Stotra? > > > > > > > > > > (2) I recite Raam Rakshaa Stotra also. So should I keep some water in a bowl throughout the time I recite it, then I should pour it in the roots of a tree? or drink it? > > > > > > > > > > By the way, is Viniyog water different and Stotra water different? > > > > > or the same water can be used for both. Like, I keep some water in a bowl. While reading the Viniyog, I should take some water in my right palm, read the Viniyog and drop it in a plate. The rest of the water should be kept for the period of reciting the whole Stotra and then - it should be drank or poured in the root of a tree? > > > > > > > > > > Please guide me in detail so that I can get maximum benefits of these Mantra and Stotra. I will be so grateful to you. I have been reciting them for over one and half years. I have heard that Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra is good for health, but I am not seeing any improvement in my health. > > > > > Thanks and with all my regards to you > > > > > Sushma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sunilsingh20022001 " <sunilsingh20022001 @> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sushma Ji, > > > > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > > > > Please Find the answers- > > > > > > >>(1) The people who live in USA and Canada, they have their rooms carpeted. Then ehere to drop the water from the palm after the Viniyog? Can it be dropped in a metal plate or bowl, and if yes then what to do of it afterwards? > > > > > > ** Yes, You can drop in plate or bowl.Then after pooja, pour that water to some plant or tree. > > > > > > >> (2) I have heard that while reciting a Mantra(may be 108 times), one should keep some water in frontof him, and after recitation it should be drank. This gives btter results of the Mantra recited. Is it true? > > > > > > ** It is always true for the mantra that you are chanting for 'Pushti Karm'(means to strenghthen yourself). But there are many types of mantras and prayog other than pushti karm and complex methodology to perform that. So I am not sure that it is true in all the cases. > > > > > > >> And if it is true for Mantra recitation, then is it true for the Stotra also? > > > > > > ** It is true for stotra also. But it is essential for some stotra. For example, for persons suffering from eye diseases it is recommended to read 'Chakshush Upanishad' 12 times daily and keep some water in copper bowl. After reciting the stotra, apply some water on eyes and drink the reamining water.Person will definitely get relief within very short span of time. For Ram Raksha Stotra also it is always recommended. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > > > Sunil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > > > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for the useful information about Stotra recitation you have been giving. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also wish to ask a couple of questions about it - > > > > > > > (1) The people who live in USA and Canada, they have their rooms carpeted. Then ehere to drop the water from the palm after the Viniyog? Can it be dropped in a metal plate or bowl, and if yes then what to do of it afterwards? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (2) I have heard that while reciting a Mantra(may be 108 times), one should keep some water in frontof him, and after recitation it should be drank. This gives btter results of the Mantra recited. Is it true? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And if it is true for Mantra recitation, then is it true for the Stotra also? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With regards > > > > > > > Sushma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 Respected Suresh Ji, I am totally agree with you.There are various systems, and discussions can only be done under same system. Even in shashtras there is problem of punarukti and vyaghat (tautology and contradiction). That is due to problem of " Prakshep " in sanskrit litreture.For example the original mahabharat written by Vedvyas contained only 8800 shlokas, and the name of mahabharat was 'Jay'.It is written- Ashtaushloksahastrani,Ashtaushlokshatani cha Aham vedmi shuko vetti sanjayau vetti vanava The shlokas increased to 24000 with time and the name changed to'Bharat Sanhita'- Chaturvinshati sahastri chakre bharatsanhita Upakhyarairbina tavat bhartam prochyate budhaih But now in " Mahabharat " there are more than 1 lakh shlokas.So nobody can seperate the original shlokas written by Vedvyas. India is large country and some methods are common in one part and some in other due to tradition of that part. You gave very good example that nobody can argue that whether wheat is good or rice. Every time I found your post very good and enlightening. Best Regards & Pranam Sunil , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Dear Sunil ji, > > I don't know what or how to comment on your post. > > This is because your writings are centered on the factor of devotion and my on prayoga - tantra. > > As far as devotion is concerned does the prathyaksha pramana & related theory actually work? I do not think so. In fact no one shall. The basis of pramanas are logic and logic is the basis of science. But devotion or love do not adhere to any logic - it solely depends on the soul & mind - emotions. > > Where as Tantra, prayoga are based on pramana - logic. > > Why is it better to propitiate Ram before propitiating Lord Hanunam?. > > The beeja askshara of the Rama Mantra is " ra " which is agni tatwa. > while Hanuman is Vayu. > > if ra=agni=rudra > then why is ra=ram=Vishnu and not ram=rudra? > Ram is also surya vamshi (while Krishna is chandra vamshi). > > so if ram=surya & surya = rudra then ram should be rudra. > why is that ram = vishnu? > > The fact is there is far higher greater science involved than what is understood at the base level. > > Now comming back to our discussion, > > Of all the pancha bhootas, Agni has a special place and is considered to sacred of all. why? > > It is the only element that does not get changed when it comes into contact with others. AND it not only purifies but also consumes it. > > This is also the reason why agni is propitiated every where. > > As far as the question of propitiating ram first for getting Hanuman and Vice Versa does also depend on what & why one is doing and what he expects to achieve. > > As far as prayes dependant on devotions and acharas as concerend, I have mentioned several times that they might be different according various reasons, a fact you have also stated. > > However, again due to various reasons, a lot of misunderstandings and acharas without any basis has cropped into the system over these years. One of the main reason being families being split and non-existance of guidence from elders. > > My writings where on the difference of Sankalpa & prayoga and how is is used and when. > > discussion or argument can only be done when they are under same system. If they are different there is no point. That is also a basic pramana. > > The staple for of north India could wheat and that of south India rice. Can I argue that Rice is better and every one in India should only eat rice?. > > Hope you understand. > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sunilsingh20022001 " <sunilsingh20022001@> wrote: > > > > Respected Suresh Ji, > > Thanks for attention. I am sorry for delayed reply due to heavy workload. Actually I am trying to clarify why I wrote to recite hanuman Chalisa before Ram Raksha Stotra.You wrote- > > >>I saw another comment that Hanuman Chalisa should be recited before Rama Raksha > > stotra. I do not understand the logic. > > > > Shree Ramchandra is the lord and Hanuma was his devotee. Hanuman is more pleased > > when his lord is pleased. There are many pointers in puranas & smrithis where > > Hanuman wanted his lord - as Shree Ramachandra or Lord Narashimha to invoked > > before propitiating him. > > > > ** It is abolutely true that Hanuman Ji is devotee of Ram and Hanuman is more pleased when Ram is pleased. Ram is avatar of Vishnu and Hanuman is avatar of Rudra. Nobody can seperate them. Vishnu worshipped Shiva by the thousand names of him. Pleased by his worship Shiva gave him Sudarshan Chakra.Before going to Lanka Ram installed Shivalinga in Rameshwaram and worshipped him.That is the basic charater of devas to respect each other. > > Let me clear the main point why I wrote to recite Hanuman Chalisa before Ram Raksha Stotra. > > In our shashtras several pramans are given. So in case of any doubt one can consult and clear the doubt. > > Shankaracharya gave 8 pramans. > > 1.Pratyaksha > > 2.Anuman > > 3.Shabda > > 4.Upaman > > 5.Arthapatti > > 6.Anupalabdhi > > 7.Sambhav > > 8.Atihya > > Very few people have got the darshan of God.So we can not prove anything regarding that by pratyaksha praman.Only third one " Shabda " praman applies everywhere.Shabda praman is also called " Aapta Vachan " .Every thing which is described in Vedas is true for any Aastik. Since it is said that " Nastiko veda nindakah " ,so it needs no proof for aastik people. Similarly the teachings of some great sages like Vashishtha, Vishvamitra, Vyas, Parashar are Aaptavachans and needs no proof. > > Gowami Tulsi Das has got darshan of Ram,Lakshman and Hanuman and wrote " Ram Charit Manas " which is universally accepted so he can be deemed as Aaptapurush. > > " Hanuman Chalisa " is also written by Tulsi Das. So let us see the chaupais of Hanuman Chalisa- > > RAAM DUVAARE TUM RAKHAVAARE > > HOT NA AAGYAA BINU PAISAARE > > Hanumanji! You are sentinel at the door of Ram's mercy. Nobody can enter without your permission. > > TUMAHRE BHAJAN RAAM KO BHAAVEN > > JANAM JANAM KE DUKH BISARAAVEN > > Hanumanji! Ram is pleased through devotion to you and one becomes free from sufferings of several lives. > > Goswami Tulsi Das stayed in Kashi, and during his stay, while returning from answering the calls of nature,Tulsi das used to throw the water that was left in his water-pot at the roots of tree. One spirit was occupying that tree. One day spirit told that " I am pleased by your service, get a boon from me " .Tulsi das replied " Let me have darshan of Ram " . Spirit said that is beyond my capability but Hanuman can help you. Go to Hanuman temple,there Hanuman comes in the guise of a leper to hear " Valmiki Ramayan " as the first hearer and leaves the place last of all. Surrender to him he will help you. Tulsi Das met Hanuman and Hanuman gave him Shiv mantra, and ordered him to go to Chitrakoot and chant the mantra for six months. After six months Ram and Lakshman appeared before him but Tulsi Das did not recognise. Then Hanuman told him to the sadhana again on second time though Ram and Lakshman was standing in front of him and spread the " Tilak " on forehead of Tulsi Das, Tulsi Das did not recognize. Hanuman Ji appeared in the form of parrot and started to sing the chaupai- > > CHITRAKOOT KE GHAAT PAR BHAI SANTAN KI BHEER > > TULSIDAS CHANDAN GHISEN TILAK DET RAGHUBEER > > So from beginning to end Hanuman helped to Tulsidas to reach to Ram's divine abode. > > So if we are doing some specific Anushthan of Hanuman we should first worship Ram, and if we are doing Anushthan of Ram then we should first worship Hanuman. > > I was asked to do so by great devotee of Ram of Rajapur (in Chitrakoot district of U.P).Rajapur is birth place of Gosvami Tulsidas. > > Some methods are popular in specific region due to tradition of that region so we can never reach to conclusion.So again the main thing is devotion. > > > > Best Regards & Pranam > > Sunil > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sushma, > > > > > > The sole reason for my postings is to remove the confussions and misunderstangs. > > > You have used the word " professional knowledge " . or lack of it. > > > > > > Yes, it is for this very reason our sages also gave simple stotras and at little bit higher level- ashtotharas & sahasranamas of dieties. > > > > > > But Vedas, sookthas, mantras and rituals come under professional knowledge. > > > > > > Even some of called professionals do not know the real meaning or application of these tantras. They just go through the rituals. > > > > > > That is not the point. > > > > > > The fact what can or should the ordinary people do to propitiate as diety. > > > > > > The most important factor is faith, determination and understanding. > > > > > > Faith & determination needs no explanation, but " understanding " do. > > > > > > Here come factor of " Sankalpa " & " dhyana " and " bhavana " . > > > Sankalpa= why I am doing it > > > Dhyana = to visualise the form of diety. Note that it is not simply meditation but meditation on the form of diety. > > > Bhavana = This is ultimate secret in the process. It is not easy to explain this. > > > > > > for example: when you recite hanuman chalisa, > > > Sankalpa = why you are reciting it?. > > > It could be for your general welfare > > > it could be for curing illness / death > > > it could be for removing obstacles > > > it could be for gaining the devotion and knowledge of truth. > > > it could be for success in education > > > > > > dhyana = you meditate on the form of Hanuman appropriate for the sankalpa. > > > It could be for your general welfare = You meditate on the form of Hanuman decked with with ornaments dressed in silk robe etc > > > it could be for curing illness / death = you meditate on the form of Hanuman who brought mrithasanjeevani for curing lakshmana > > > it could be for removing obstacles = you can meditate on the form of Hanuman who jumbed the ocean > > > it could be for gaining the devotion and knowledge of truth.= you can meditate on the form of Hanuman who sits with his opened heart. > > > it could be for success in education= You can meditate on the form of hanuman who is standing with his folded hands. > > > > > > Bhavana= This depends on the purpose- sankalpa. Suppose it is for education, You vissualise, the form of Hanuman standing in front of Lord Sun standing on Hanamanthasana (with one leg) and hands joined upwards to learn vedas- you visualise that that you are receiving the energy and knowledge through Lord Hanuman. > > > > > > This is what transfers the results to you. I am not sure if you understand this properly. > > > > > > Ultimately without devotion one cannot achieve any thing - even in material life - " devoted to his work " ?? > > > > > > Even when reciting simple stotras one can go through the above process and its requires no special rituals. It is all mental. > > > > > > So next time you recite Hanuman chalisa or sahasranama try to fix you mind like above. > > > > > > Mrithyunjaya Mantras and others Mantras are more complicated because it also requires one to carefull in Ucharana. Why?. > > > > > > This the very basic teaching of Ramayana. > > > > > > Sage Valmiki (Ratnakara) was a mere forest dweller. He did not know any mantras or rituals. Sage Narada asked him to repeat the words " mara " . we know that after a few years he discovered " Ram " . > > > > > > Sage Narada knew the secret of words & consonents and what they will do. Ratnakara when he started he knew nothing about " Ram " as mantra or Shree Rama chandra. It is due to Ucharana that he dicovered it. > > > > > > I have many times stressed this point. This story actually proves it. > > > > > > It should be noted that certain mantras also has certain rules to be followed. > > > > > > Maha Mrithyunjaya Mantra Should NEVER be recited with full stomach. It should only be recited when your stomach is empty - ie before taking food. So, it is best recited early morning. You can recite it in the evening also, if you have fasted for the whole day. > > > > > > People who advice otherwise do not know the reason for this. It is part of tantra and goes much deeper. Ordinary persons do not understand all this, that is why it was left to " professionals " . > > > > > > It is just like, certain medicines should be taken after food and certain others before food. Similarly some Mantras also may have rules attached to them. > > > > > > I saw another comment that Hanuman Chalisa should be recited before Rama Raksha stotra. I do not understand the logic. > > > > > > Shree Ramchandra is the lord and Hanuma was his devotee. Hanuman is more pleased when his lord is pleased. There are many pointers in puranas & smrithis where Hanuman wanted his lord - as Shree Ramachandra or Lord Narashimha to invoked before propitiating him. > > > > > > Hence it is always better to recite Rama raksha stotra or ashtothara before propitiating Lord Hanuman. > > > > > > Those who do not the proper ucharana etc of mrithyunjaya mantra, they can recite mrinthyunjaya stotra etc. The mantra is embeded in these stotras but requires no special initiation or procedure. > > > > > > feel free to ask for any specific clarification. > > > > > > Hope this helps you. > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Suresh Babu Ji > > > > Thanks a lot for posting this. It is really a complex thing. People like us can get easily confused because of lack of profssional knowledge. > > > > > > > > Whenever I discuss this Mantra subject with some specialist, I get some new information and get more confused and start thinking that we ordinary people can never recite Mantra or Stotra, because everytime there will be some mistake in it. > > > > > > > > I don't know what to do for this? > > > > With regards > > > > Sushma > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I am a little cautious about commenting on this subject. There are different acharas and depend on variety of reasons. However, the basic reasoning, meaning and application is practically same in all the tantras / agamas. > > > > >  > > > > > The “Viniyoga†means usage †" for what?. How? > > > > > The “Karishye††" means do †" what? Why? > > > > >  > > > > > Both are actually “sankalpa†but application is different. > > > > >  > > > > > The ritual of pouring water though the hand down the fingers is done only when “karishye†is uttered  (Sankalpa) and not for “Viniyog†(Prayog) > > > > >  > > > > > In fact there is more to this than merely pouring water. Unless the whole ritual is not done according to the agama / tantra, there is no point in doing it half way. > > > > >  > > > > > Either do it as prescribed or recite the stotras without accompanying rituals. > > > > >  > > > > > For example Vishnu Sahasranama could be recited without any rituals or complete with Sankalpa, nyasa, kalasha pooja, avahana, shodashopachara pooja, archana (with Sahasranama), Avarana pooja, Arathi , naivedhya, Maha Navedhya, Maha Arathi, kshamapana prarthana etc. The rituals involved could be elaborate or simplified according to situation, custome & need. > > > > >  > > > > > I shall illustrate with example of both. > > > > > Shree Rudra > > > > >  > > > > > asya shree rudradhyaaya maha mantrasya aghora rishi: > > > > > anushtup chanda: > > > > > sankarshanamoorthisvaroopo yo asaavaadithya: > > > > > paramapurusha: sa esha mrinthyunjayarudro devatha > > > > > nama: shivaayeti beejam > > > > > shivatharaayeti shakthi: > > > > > nama: somaayethi keelakam > > > > > somaskandaparameshwara prasaadasidhyarthe VINIYOGA: > > > > >  > > > > > Here Viniyoga: means I am going to use / apply / exercise the following FOR The grace of “somaskandaparameshwaraâ€. > > > > >  > > > > > In fact when reciting the above, there are other observations to be done. I already told that it is “Sankalpaâ€Â - The purpose of reciting the stotra / mantra etc but essentially prayoga †" application. Which means I have to decide why I am reciting it †" the real purpose should be visualized and born in mind. > > > > >  > > > > > The second thing is to become one with the whole being of that stotra whether it is advaitha or dwaitha. Here bear in mind that it is the higher authority that we are seeking grace from and that authority adheres to dharma alone. So I cannot be different from that authorities gunas. I have to try and become one with it. > > > > >  > > > > >  > > > > > With the above point of view, > > > > > When Rishi is mentioned, I will touch the top of my head, when chandas is mentioned, I will touch my mouth, devatha is mentioned, I will touch my heart. This is to symbolize and firmly establish myself with what I am doing or going to do. > > > > >  > > > > > Before going to the prayoga part  Achaman, pranayam  and sankalpa also should be done. The word “Karishye†is used with sankalpa and not prayoga (Viniyog). > > > > >  > > > > >  > > > > > The sankalpa could be used in a different way also.     > > > > > “achamya, prananayamya,--- > > > > > Varthamaane vyavaharike > > > > > ………naama samvatsare > > > > > ----------ayane > > > > > ----------ritau > > > > > ----------maase > > > > > ---------pakshe triteeyaam etc > > > > > ---------vaasare > > > > > Poorvokta evam guna vishesheNa vishishtaayaam > > > > > Shubha puNyathitau > > > > > Anantha kalyana gunaparipoorna ksheerabdishaayii > > > > > Shree Vishnu preeranayaa > > > > > Shree Vishnu preethyartham > > > > > Asmaakam sarveshaam sakutumbaanaam > > > > > Kshemasyaiyaayuraaroghya eishwairyaabhivridhyartham > > > > > Chaturvidha punya purushartha sidhyartham > > > > > Mama iha janmani janmaantare cha samastha > > > > > Paapakshaya poorvakam > > > > > Yaavajjeeva saumangalya vridhaye > > > > > Putra pautraadhyabhishta praapthaye > > > > > Shree swarna gauree preethyartham cha > > > > > YathaamilithopachaaraiH gauree poojaaM KARISHYE †" (ithi sankalpam) > > > > >  > > > > > Water is poured now when the word “Karishte†is spelt. > > > > > " asmaakam " . when the sankalpa is done by the person himself - for whom it is done > > > > > other wise name etc is mentioned if the sankalpa is given by another person - prabably by purohit himself. > > > > >  > > > > > Now see the difference in usage. > > > > > Lakshmee Hridayam > > > > > Shree ganeshaya nama > > > > > Aachamya praanaanaayamya > > > > > Deshakalau samkeertya ( as above) > > > > > Shree lakshmee naraayana prasaadasidhyaa > > > > > Mamaabhishtakaamanaa sidhyartham > > > > > Adhyaprabhrutya amukadinaparyantham > > > > > Samkaliikaranareethya > > > > > Samputeekanariitya > > > > > Purashchanareethya > > > > > Sakridaavarthana reethya vaa > > > > > Lakshmee naarayanahridaya japaakhyam karma karishye †" pour water here. > > > > >  > > > > > Itit sankalpya nyaasadi kuryaath > > > > > Asya shree mahaalakshmee hridaya maalaa mantrasya > > > > > Bhaarghava rishiH > > > > > Aadhyaadi shree mahaalakshmeerdevatha > > > > > Anushtupaati naanaa chandaamsi > > > > > Sheerbeejam > > > > > Hreem sakthiH > > > > > Aim keelakam > > > > > Shree mahaa lakshmee prasaada sidhyarthe jape viniyogaH †" note this. No water shoud be poured here. > > > > >  > > > > > The usage “japam aham karishye†is also wrong. “japam karishye†is enough and correct. > > > > >  > > > > > Some times the sankalpa is given and purohit does the pooja for the native if the native do not have authority / does not know / cannot do the pooja / japa etc.  Yes, do not mistake me.Japa also are and could be done by purohit for the sake of others. This is pure tantra and beyond the scope of this discussion. > > > > >  > > > > > Some of the rituals could be simplified but should conform to the basic principles of agama / tantra. One cannot do whatever one likes / could do. Excuses such as “this is what my teacher taught me†or “my father taught me†is irrelevant as far as science is concerned. > > > > >  > > > > > So also is there is nothing wrong if done with good heart. In this case, one do not require any ritual connected with agama / tantra but require only devotion. However, Mantras, Sookthas & Veda are totally different and out of the perview of devotion †" though devotion is absolutely necessary. > > > > >  > > > > > To illustrate the point, I shaal narrate a small story from Ramayana. > > > > > Once Lord Hanuman had to fight with Lord Rama. †" a fight between the lord and devotee. > > > > >   > > > > > Lord Rama tells to Hanuman †" “You very well know who I am and the power of my arrow †" rama baaN†> > > > > Hanuman retorts back- “raam mantra is there in every pore in my body. What can raama band do†> > > > >  > > > > > This episode actually illustrates what Mantra, devotion, prayoga. Etc. > > > > >  > > > > > Shree Ramachandra arrow could not do any harm on the body of Lord Hanuman.  > > > > >  > > > > > Hope this will help all. > > > > >  > > > > >  > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 12, 2009 8:15:37 AM > > > > > Re: Re: Stotra Recitation > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > Sunil Ji, > > > > > what a nice way of clarifying the doubts and identify difference between Viniyoagha and stotraha. > > > > > Normally Viniyogaha is water left in bowl after stotra.Water for stotra is meant for initiation and to be sacrified by putting a twig of tulasi leaves in a container and for vinyoga purpose consume through a copper/silver spoon > > > > > Stotra water can be used for suddhi and sanctification of the house too > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 9/11/09, sunilsingh20022001 <sunilsingh20022001@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > sunilsingh20022001 <sunilsingh20022001@ > > > > > > Re: Stotra Recitation > > > > > > > > > > Friday, September 11, 2009, 11:58 AM > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sushma Ji, > > > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > > > Please find the answers- > > > > > >>I recite Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra, Mahaamrityunjaya Stotra, and Chandrashekhar Ashtakam daily in the morning. Would you kindly tell me if I have to put water in the metal (any metal or any specific metal) bowl for these Mantra and Stotra? > > > > > ** Yes.Those are the mantra/stotra for pushti karm. You should keep the water in bowl while reciting and drink after completion of mantra/stotra. > > > > > >>I recite Raam Rakshaa Stotra also. So should I keep some water in a bowl throughout the time I recite it, then I should pour it in the roots of a tree? or drink it? > > > > > ** You should drink it. > > > > > >>By the way, is Viniyog water different and Stotra water different? > > > > > or the same water can be used for both. Like, I keep some water in a bowl. While reading the Viniyog, I should take some water in my right palm, read the Viniyog and drop it in a plate. The rest of the water should be kept for the period of reciting the whole Stotra and then - it should be drank or poured in the root of a tree? > > > > > ** Yes.Viniyoga water and stotra water is different.You should pour the water to a plant or tree which you have used for viniyoga. So You can use one plate and one bowl or two bowls.After pooja consume the water which is energised by mantra. > > > > > >>I have been reciting them for over one and half years. I have heard that Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra is good for health, but I am not seeing any improvement in my health. > > > > > ** There is no doubt that Mahamritunjaya mantra can bring good health. Use rudraksh rosary and before chanting Mahamritunjaya mantra chant vashishthha mantra 108 times- VAM VASHISHTHHAAYA NAMAH. > > > > > To get rid of your health problem you can also read ' MAYURESH STOTRA ' this would definitely give you very good result. > > > > > IMP- If you have been reading Ram Raksha Stotra then this very good time to get maximum benifit of this stotra.From 19 Sept navaratra will start. Recite Ram Raksha Stotra 11 times daily in front of photo of ram darabar ( Ram,Lakshaman, Sita, Hanuman )for nine days.Don't take onion or garlic and help to needy people to the best of your ability.Before recition of Ram raksha Stotra worship Hanuman. Read Hanuman Chalisa atleast. You will get siddhi of Ram Raksha Stotra.After navaratra you should read that stotra once as usual. > > > > > Best Regards > > > > > Sunil > > > > > > > > > > , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil JI > > > > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > > > > I am so grateful to you for your quick reply. Your this reply has arisen a few questions more about Mantra ans Stotra -- > > > > > > > > > > > > (1) I recite Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra, Mahaamrityunjaya Stotra, and Chandrashekhar Ashtakam daily in the morning. Would you kindly tell me if I have to put water in the metal (any metal or any specific metal) bowl for these Mantra and Stotra? > > > > > > > > > > > > (2) I recite Raam Rakshaa Stotra also. So should I keep some water in a bowl throughout the time I recite it, then I should pour it in the roots of a tree? or drink it? > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, is Viniyog water different and Stotra water different? > > > > > > or the same water can be used for both. Like, I keep some water in a bowl. While reading the Viniyog, I should take some water in my right palm, read the Viniyog and drop it in a plate. The rest of the water should be kept for the period of reciting the whole Stotra and then - it should be drank or poured in the root of a tree? > > > > > > > > > > > > Please guide me in detail so that I can get maximum benefits of these Mantra and Stotra. I will be so grateful to you. I have been reciting them for over one and half years. I have heard that Mahaa-Mrityunjaya Mantra is good for health, but I am not seeing any improvement in my health. > > > > > > Thanks and with all my regards to you > > > > > > Sushma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sunilsingh20022001 " <sunilsingh20022001 @> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sushma Ji, > > > > > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > > > > > Please Find the answers- > > > > > > > >>(1) The people who live in USA and Canada, they have their rooms carpeted. Then ehere to drop the water from the palm after the Viniyog? Can it be dropped in a metal plate or bowl, and if yes then what to do of it afterwards? > > > > > > > ** Yes, You can drop in plate or bowl.Then after pooja, pour that water to some plant or tree. > > > > > > > >> (2) I have heard that while reciting a Mantra(may be 108 times), one should keep some water in frontof him, and after recitation it should be drank. This gives btter results of the Mantra recited. Is it true? > > > > > > > ** It is always true for the mantra that you are chanting for 'Pushti Karm'(means to strenghthen yourself). But there are many types of mantras and prayog other than pushti karm and complex methodology to perform that. So I am not sure that it is true in all the cases. > > > > > > > >> And if it is true for Mantra recitation, then is it true for the Stotra also? > > > > > > > ** It is true for stotra also. But it is essential for some stotra. For example, for persons suffering from eye diseases it is recommended to read 'Chakshush Upanishad' 12 times daily and keep some water in copper bowl. After reciting the stotra, apply some water on eyes and drink the reamining water.Person will definitely get relief within very short span of time. For Ram Raksha Stotra also it is always recommended. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > > > > Sunil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > > > > > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for the useful information about Stotra recitation you have been giving. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also wish to ask a couple of questions about it - > > > > > > > > (1) The people who live in USA and Canada, they have their rooms carpeted. Then ehere to drop the water from the palm after the Viniyog? Can it be dropped in a metal plate or bowl, and if yes then what to do of it afterwards? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (2) I have heard that while reciting a Mantra(may be 108 times), one should keep some water in frontof him, and after recitation it should be drank. This gives btter results of the Mantra recited. Is it true? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And if it is true for Mantra recitation, then is it true for the Stotra also? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With regards > > > > > > > > Sushma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 You may read about him here on Net http://sushmajee.com/mahaabhaarat/witnesses/people/men/men-n-z/sahastraarjun1.ht\ m and here http://sushmajee.com/mahaabhaarat/witnesses/rishi/parashuraam-2.htm I hope these biographies will helpou understand about Kaartveerya Arjun, or Sahastraarjun, or Ajun, or Sahasbaahu, or Sahastrabaahu. Sushma , jesal sagar <jesalsagar wrote: > > prannam sureshji , > Â > thank you very much for your valuable advice and giving me the exact meaning of this mantra .. > i searched on internet but i couldnt get the meaning of this mantra that why i asked the meaning of this mantra to you .. > Â > thank you guruji .. > i also want to ask you that is there any specific time to say this mantra ..? > Â > and if you know about ( karthaveeryajuno naam raja ..) on net .. please send me the link .. > i want to learn more about the king... > Â > thanking you > jesal sagar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 Dear Suresh Babuag Thanks a lot for posting this enlightening mail. You are right what you say regarding pronunciation and Bhaavanaa and Dhyaan. I know that Ved Mantra need special attention and understanding that is why they need a Guru to tell them to anyone. I am educated and I know how to read Sanskrit a little bit, that is why I am not very much afraid of pronunciation unless there are some really tough words in a Mantra - like in Geetaa I cannot read some Shlok as they seem to me quite difficult to pronounce and unless somebody teaches me how to pronounce them. Mrityunjaya Mantra is not at all difficult to pronounce. I do its Jaap in early morning - between 5 am to 6 am, so no problem of empty stomach. Normally I do all my Poojaa in early morning. Of course I do not know which Poojaa should be done in the evening, rather than doing it in the morning. Such as people say that Hanumaan Poojaa should be done in the evening as he himself does Poojaa of Raam in the morning - but I am not sure. I do it in the morning. But on Tuesday, I read Sundar Kaand in the evening only. As far as the question is of procedures, like keeping water, taking water in palm and leaving it on ground, Nyaas etc, I am unaware of them. When these Stotra are written in a book, these things are not written there, or when they prescribed by some Pandit, they are not told to the person. So naturally when some other person tells about them, he is caught unaware of these methods and feels guilty that " What he was doing till now? " MAYBE THAT IS WHY HE WAS NOT GETTING THE RESULTS? Then he doubts his Mantra and searches some expert guidance for it. I understand the importance of pronunciation and Bhaavanaa; but when I read stories in Puraan the people get the resuilt of the things by doing them even unknowingly, my faith in pronunciation and Bhaavanaa and everything is lost. Along with this the narrators of the stories write " When Bhagavaan is pleased by taking His name even unknowingly, then why people do not take it knowingly. " That is why all this confusion. There is one more thing, Sir. After reading so much I have my own ideas about Mantra. I think that (1) Mantra is group of sounds arranged in a particular way to produce some specific results. (2) And since they are the group of sounds arranged in a specific manner, they don't need Bhaavanaa too. They need only sound. (3) Besides there are many Mantra which do not need repetition, like I don't think Kuntee recited Durvaasaa's Mantra so many times to call Devtaa. What do you have to say about this? Thanks for offering me the opportunity to ask any other question. Thanks a lot With due regards Sushma , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Dear Sushma, > > The sole reason for my postings is to remove the confussions and misunderstangs. > You have used the word " professional knowledge " . or lack of it. > > Yes, it is for this very reason our sages also gave simple stotras and at little bit higher level- ashtotharas & sahasranamas of dieties. > > But Vedas, sookthas, mantras and rituals come under professional knowledge. > > Even some of called professionals do not know the real meaning or application of these tantras. They just go through the rituals. > > That is not the point. > > The fact what can or should the ordinary people do to propitiate as diety. > > The most important factor is faith, determination and understanding. > > Faith & determination needs no explanation, but " understanding " do. > > Here come factor of " Sankalpa " & " dhyana " and " bhavana " . > Sankalpa= why I am doing it > Dhyana = to visualise the form of diety. Note that it is not simply meditation but meditation on the form of diety. > Bhavana = This is ultimate secret in the process. It is not easy to explain this. > > for example: when you recite hanuman chalisa, > Sankalpa = why you are reciting it?. > It could be for your general welfare > it could be for curing illness / death > it could be for removing obstacles > it could be for gaining the devotion and knowledge of truth. > it could be for success in education > > dhyana = you meditate on the form of Hanuman appropriate for the sankalpa. > It could be for your general welfare = You meditate on the form of Hanuman decked with with ornaments dressed in silk robe etc > it could be for curing illness / death = you meditate on the form of Hanuman who brought mrithasanjeevani for curing lakshmana > it could be for removing obstacles = you can meditate on the form of Hanuman who jumbed the ocean > it could be for gaining the devotion and knowledge of truth.= you can meditate on the form of Hanuman who sits with his opened heart. > it could be for success in education= You can meditate on the form of hanuman who is standing with his folded hands. > > Bhavana= This depends on the purpose- sankalpa. Suppose it is for education, You vissualise, the form of Hanuman standing in front of Lord Sun standing on Hanamanthasana (with one leg) and hands joined upwards to learn vedas- you visualise that that you are receiving the energy and knowledge through Lord Hanuman. > > This is what transfers the results to you. I am not sure if you understand this properly. > > Ultimately without devotion one cannot achieve any thing - even in material life - " devoted to his work " ?? > > Even when reciting simple stotras one can go through the above process and its requires no special rituals. It is all mental. > > So next time you recite Hanuman chalisa or sahasranama try to fix you mind like above. > > Mrithyunjaya Mantras and others Mantras are more complicated because it also requires one to carefull in Ucharana. Why?. > > This the very basic teaching of Ramayana. > > Sage Valmiki (Ratnakara) was a mere forest dweller. He did not know any mantras or rituals. Sage Narada asked him to repeat the words " mara " . we know that after a few years he discovered " Ram " . > > Sage Narada knew the secret of words & consonents and what they will do. Ratnakara when he started he knew nothing about " Ram " as mantra or Shree Rama chandra. It is due to Ucharana that he dicovered it. > > I have many times stressed this point. This story actually proves it. > > It should be noted that certain mantras also has certain rules to be followed. > > Maha Mrithyunjaya Mantra Should NEVER be recited with full stomach. It should only be recited when your stomach is empty - ie before taking food. So, it is best recited early morning. You can recite it in the evening also, if you have fasted for the whole day. > > People who advice otherwise do not know the reason for this. It is part of tantra and goes much deeper. Ordinary persons do not understand all this, that is why it was left to " professionals " . > > It is just like, certain medicines should be taken after food and certain others before food. Similarly some Mantras also may have rules attached to them. > > I saw another comment that Hanuman Chalisa should be recited before Rama Raksha stotra. I do not understand the logic. > > Shree Ramchandra is the lord and Hanuma was his devotee. Hanuman is more pleased when his lord is pleased. There are many pointers in puranas & smrithis where Hanuman wanted his lord - as Shree Ramachandra or Lord Narashimha to invoked before propitiating him. > > Hence it is always better to recite Rama raksha stotra or ashtothara before propitiating Lord Hanuman. > > Those who do not the proper ucharana etc of mrithyunjaya mantra, they can recite mrinthyunjaya stotra etc. The mantra is embeded in these stotras but requires no special initiation or procedure. > > feel free to ask for any specific clarification. > > Hope this helps you. > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee@> wrote: > > > > Dear Suresh Babu Ji > > Thanks a lot for posting this. It is really a complex thing. People like us can get easily confused because of lack of profssional knowledge. > > > > Whenever I discuss this Mantra subject with some specialist, I get some new information and get more confused and start thinking that we ordinary people can never recite Mantra or Stotra, because everytime there will be some mistake in it. > > > > I don't know what to do for this? > > With regards > > Sushma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 Dear sushma ji, First accept my pranams. I first I thought you are a young person. Your profile also do not mention anything about you. I went through your website. You have done a remarkable job. However, your comment below tells me you did not understand my message a bit. I expected better than this. Next time you take a flight make sure that the pilot did not learn to fly from a " Learn it yourself " book and got his certificate from a correspondece course. regards A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee wrote: > > Dear Suresh Babuag > Thanks a lot for posting this enlightening mail. > You are right what you say regarding pronunciation and Bhaavanaa and Dhyaan. I know that Ved Mantra need special attention and understanding that is why they need a Guru to tell them to anyone. > > I am educated and I know how to read Sanskrit a little bit, that is why I am not very much afraid of pronunciation unless there are some really tough words in a Mantra - like in Geetaa I cannot read some Shlok as they seem to me quite difficult to pronounce and unless somebody teaches me how to pronounce them. Mrityunjaya Mantra is not at all difficult to pronounce. I do its Jaap in early morning - between 5 am to 6 am, so no problem of empty stomach. > > Normally I do all my Poojaa in early morning. Of course I do not know which Poojaa should be done in the evening, rather than doing it in the morning. Such as people say that Hanumaan Poojaa should be done in the evening as he himself does Poojaa of Raam in the morning - but I am not sure. I do it in the morning. But on Tuesday, I read Sundar Kaand in the evening only. > > As far as the question is of procedures, like keeping water, taking water in palm and leaving it on ground, Nyaas etc, I am unaware of them. When these Stotra are written in a book, these things are not written there, or when they prescribed by some Pandit, they are not told to the person. > > So naturally when some other person tells about them, he is caught unaware of these methods and feels guilty that " What he was doing till now? " MAYBE THAT IS WHY HE WAS NOT GETTING THE RESULTS? Then he doubts his Mantra and searches some expert guidance for it. > > I understand the importance of pronunciation and Bhaavanaa; but when I read stories in Puraan the people get the resuilt of the things by doing them even unknowingly, my faith in pronunciation and Bhaavanaa and everything is lost. Along with this the narrators of the stories write " When Bhagavaan is pleased by taking His name even unknowingly, then why people do not take it knowingly. " > > That is why all this confusion. There is one more thing, Sir. After reading so much I have my own ideas about Mantra. I think that > (1) Mantra is group of sounds arranged in a particular way to produce some specific results. > (2) And since they are the group of sounds arranged in a specific manner, they don't need Bhaavanaa too. They need only sound. > (3) Besides there are many Mantra which do not need repetition, like I don't think Kuntee recited Durvaasaa's Mantra so many times to call Devtaa. > > What do you have to say about this? > > Thanks for offering me the opportunity to ask any other question. > Thanks a lot > With due regards > Sushma > > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sushma, > > > > The sole reason for my postings is to remove the confussions and misunderstangs. > > You have used the word " professional knowledge " . or lack of it. > > > > Yes, it is for this very reason our sages also gave simple stotras and at little bit higher level- ashtotharas & sahasranamas of dieties. > > > > But Vedas, sookthas, mantras and rituals come under professional knowledge. > > > > Even some of called professionals do not know the real meaning or application of these tantras. They just go through the rituals. > > > > That is not the point. > > > > The fact what can or should the ordinary people do to propitiate as diety. > > > > The most important factor is faith, determination and understanding. > > > > Faith & determination needs no explanation, but " understanding " do. > > > > Here come factor of " Sankalpa " & " dhyana " and " bhavana " . > > Sankalpa= why I am doing it > > Dhyana = to visualise the form of diety. Note that it is not simply meditation but meditation on the form of diety. > > Bhavana = This is ultimate secret in the process. It is not easy to explain this. > > > > for example: when you recite hanuman chalisa, > > Sankalpa = why you are reciting it?. > > It could be for your general welfare > > it could be for curing illness / death > > it could be for removing obstacles > > it could be for gaining the devotion and knowledge of truth. > > it could be for success in education > > > > dhyana = you meditate on the form of Hanuman appropriate for the sankalpa. > > It could be for your general welfare = You meditate on the form of Hanuman decked with with ornaments dressed in silk robe etc > > it could be for curing illness / death = you meditate on the form of Hanuman who brought mrithasanjeevani for curing lakshmana > > it could be for removing obstacles = you can meditate on the form of Hanuman who jumbed the ocean > > it could be for gaining the devotion and knowledge of truth.= you can meditate on the form of Hanuman who sits with his opened heart. > > it could be for success in education= You can meditate on the form of hanuman who is standing with his folded hands. > > > > Bhavana= This depends on the purpose- sankalpa. Suppose it is for education, You vissualise, the form of Hanuman standing in front of Lord Sun standing on Hanamanthasana (with one leg) and hands joined upwards to learn vedas- you visualise that that you are receiving the energy and knowledge through Lord Hanuman. > > > > This is what transfers the results to you. I am not sure if you understand this properly. > > > > Ultimately without devotion one cannot achieve any thing - even in material life - " devoted to his work " ?? > > > > Even when reciting simple stotras one can go through the above process and its requires no special rituals. It is all mental. > > > > So next time you recite Hanuman chalisa or sahasranama try to fix you mind like above. > > > > Mrithyunjaya Mantras and others Mantras are more complicated because it also requires one to carefull in Ucharana. Why?. > > > > This the very basic teaching of Ramayana. > > > > Sage Valmiki (Ratnakara) was a mere forest dweller. He did not know any mantras or rituals. Sage Narada asked him to repeat the words " mara " . we know that after a few years he discovered " Ram " . > > > > Sage Narada knew the secret of words & consonents and what they will do. Ratnakara when he started he knew nothing about " Ram " as mantra or Shree Rama chandra. It is due to Ucharana that he dicovered it. > > > > I have many times stressed this point. This story actually proves it. > > > > It should be noted that certain mantras also has certain rules to be followed. > > > > Maha Mrithyunjaya Mantra Should NEVER be recited with full stomach. It should only be recited when your stomach is empty - ie before taking food. So, it is best recited early morning. You can recite it in the evening also, if you have fasted for the whole day. > > > > People who advice otherwise do not know the reason for this. It is part of tantra and goes much deeper. Ordinary persons do not understand all this, that is why it was left to " professionals " . > > > > It is just like, certain medicines should be taken after food and certain others before food. Similarly some Mantras also may have rules attached to them. > > > > I saw another comment that Hanuman Chalisa should be recited before Rama Raksha stotra. I do not understand the logic. > > > > Shree Ramchandra is the lord and Hanuma was his devotee. Hanuman is more pleased when his lord is pleased. There are many pointers in puranas & smrithis where Hanuman wanted his lord - as Shree Ramachandra or Lord Narashimha to invoked before propitiating him. > > > > Hence it is always better to recite Rama raksha stotra or ashtothara before propitiating Lord Hanuman. > > > > Those who do not the proper ucharana etc of mrithyunjaya mantra, they can recite mrinthyunjaya stotra etc. The mantra is embeded in these stotras but requires no special initiation or procedure. > > > > feel free to ask for any specific clarification. > > > > Hope this helps you. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Suresh Babu Ji > > > Thanks a lot for posting this. It is really a complex thing. People like us can get easily confused because of lack of profssional knowledge. > > > > > > Whenever I discuss this Mantra subject with some specialist, I get some new information and get more confused and start thinking that we ordinary people can never recite Mantra or Stotra, because everytime there will be some mistake in it. > > > > > > I don't know what to do for this? > > > With regards > > > Sushma > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 Thanks Dear Suresh Ji My problem is this only that as much as I read, I find myself ignorant and try to correct myself. It is because being a librarian I am not satisfied with one book, and when I read several books, or talk to several people I find different information at different places for the same topic. There I get confused. Wherever I find 2-3 information similar, I get it right, otherwise it is difficult to reach on any conclusion. I am sorry if I have disappointed you in understanding your message - that is the result of my earned knowledge through books. With regards Sushma , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Dear sushma ji, > > First accept my pranams. I first I thought you are a young person. Your profile also do not mention anything about you. > > I went through your website. You have done a remarkable job. > > However, your comment below tells me you did not understand my message a bit. I expected better than this. > > Next time you take a flight make sure that the pilot did not learn to fly from a " Learn it yourself " book and got his certificate from a correspondece course. > > regards > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee@> wrote: > > > > Dear Suresh Babuag > > Thanks a lot for posting this enlightening mail. > > You are right what you say regarding pronunciation and Bhaavanaa and Dhyaan. I know that Ved Mantra need special attention and understanding that is why they need a Guru to tell them to anyone. > > > > I am educated and I know how to read Sanskrit a little bit, that is why I am not very much afraid of pronunciation unless there are some really tough words in a Mantra - like in Geetaa I cannot read some Shlok as they seem to me quite difficult to pronounce and unless somebody teaches me how to pronounce them. Mrityunjaya Mantra is not at all difficult to pronounce. I do its Jaap in early morning - between 5 am to 6 am, so no problem of empty stomach. > > > > Normally I do all my Poojaa in early morning. Of course I do not know which Poojaa should be done in the evening, rather than doing it in the morning. Such as people say that Hanumaan Poojaa should be done in the evening as he himself does Poojaa of Raam in the morning - but I am not sure. I do it in the morning. But on Tuesday, I read Sundar Kaand in the evening only. > > > > As far as the question is of procedures, like keeping water, taking water in palm and leaving it on ground, Nyaas etc, I am unaware of them. When these Stotra are written in a book, these things are not written there, or when they prescribed by some Pandit, they are not told to the person. > > > > So naturally when some other person tells about them, he is caught unaware of these methods and feels guilty that " What he was doing till now? " MAYBE THAT IS WHY HE WAS NOT GETTING THE RESULTS? Then he doubts his Mantra and searches some expert guidance for it. > > > > I understand the importance of pronunciation and Bhaavanaa; but when I read stories in Puraan the people get the resuilt of the things by doing them even unknowingly, my faith in pronunciation and Bhaavanaa and everything is lost. Along with this the narrators of the stories write " When Bhagavaan is pleased by taking His name even unknowingly, then why people do not take it knowingly. " > > > > That is why all this confusion. There is one more thing, Sir. After reading so much I have my own ideas about Mantra. I think that > > (1) Mantra is group of sounds arranged in a particular way to produce some specific results. > > (2) And since they are the group of sounds arranged in a specific manner, they don't need Bhaavanaa too. They need only sound. > > (3) Besides there are many Mantra which do not need repetition, like I don't think Kuntee recited Durvaasaa's Mantra so many times to call Devtaa. > > > > What do you have to say about this? > > > > Thanks for offering me the opportunity to ask any other question. > > Thanks a lot > > With due regards > > Sushma > > > > > > , " sureshbabuag " <sureshbabuag@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sushma, > > > > > > The sole reason for my postings is to remove the confussions and misunderstangs. > > > You have used the word " professional knowledge " . or lack of it. > > > > > > Yes, it is for this very reason our sages also gave simple stotras and at little bit higher level- ashtotharas & sahasranamas of dieties. > > > > > > But Vedas, sookthas, mantras and rituals come under professional knowledge. > > > > > > Even some of called professionals do not know the real meaning or application of these tantras. They just go through the rituals. > > > > > > That is not the point. > > > > > > The fact what can or should the ordinary people do to propitiate as diety. > > > > > > The most important factor is faith, determination and understanding. > > > > > > Faith & determination needs no explanation, but " understanding " do. > > > > > > Here come factor of " Sankalpa " & " dhyana " and " bhavana " . > > > Sankalpa= why I am doing it > > > Dhyana = to visualise the form of diety. Note that it is not simply meditation but meditation on the form of diety. > > > Bhavana = This is ultimate secret in the process. It is not easy to explain this. > > > > > > for example: when you recite hanuman chalisa, > > > Sankalpa = why you are reciting it?. > > > It could be for your general welfare > > > it could be for curing illness / death > > > it could be for removing obstacles > > > it could be for gaining the devotion and knowledge of truth. > > > it could be for success in education > > > > > > dhyana = you meditate on the form of Hanuman appropriate for the sankalpa. > > > It could be for your general welfare = You meditate on the form of Hanuman decked with with ornaments dressed in silk robe etc > > > it could be for curing illness / death = you meditate on the form of Hanuman who brought mrithasanjeevani for curing lakshmana > > > it could be for removing obstacles = you can meditate on the form of Hanuman who jumbed the ocean > > > it could be for gaining the devotion and knowledge of truth.= you can meditate on the form of Hanuman who sits with his opened heart. > > > it could be for success in education= You can meditate on the form of hanuman who is standing with his folded hands. > > > > > > Bhavana= This depends on the purpose- sankalpa. Suppose it is for education, You vissualise, the form of Hanuman standing in front of Lord Sun standing on Hanamanthasana (with one leg) and hands joined upwards to learn vedas- you visualise that that you are receiving the energy and knowledge through Lord Hanuman. > > > > > > This is what transfers the results to you. I am not sure if you understand this properly. > > > > > > Ultimately without devotion one cannot achieve any thing - even in material life - " devoted to his work " ?? > > > > > > Even when reciting simple stotras one can go through the above process and its requires no special rituals. It is all mental. > > > > > > So next time you recite Hanuman chalisa or sahasranama try to fix you mind like above. > > > > > > Mrithyunjaya Mantras and others Mantras are more complicated because it also requires one to carefull in Ucharana. Why?. > > > > > > This the very basic teaching of Ramayana. > > > > > > Sage Valmiki (Ratnakara) was a mere forest dweller. He did not know any mantras or rituals. Sage Narada asked him to repeat the words " mara " . we know that after a few years he discovered " Ram " . > > > > > > Sage Narada knew the secret of words & consonents and what they will do. Ratnakara when he started he knew nothing about " Ram " as mantra or Shree Rama chandra. It is due to Ucharana that he dicovered it. > > > > > > I have many times stressed this point. This story actually proves it. > > > > > > It should be noted that certain mantras also has certain rules to be followed. > > > > > > Maha Mrithyunjaya Mantra Should NEVER be recited with full stomach. It should only be recited when your stomach is empty - ie before taking food. So, it is best recited early morning. You can recite it in the evening also, if you have fasted for the whole day. > > > > > > People who advice otherwise do not know the reason for this. It is part of tantra and goes much deeper. Ordinary persons do not understand all this, that is why it was left to " professionals " . > > > > > > It is just like, certain medicines should be taken after food and certain others before food. Similarly some Mantras also may have rules attached to them. > > > > > > I saw another comment that Hanuman Chalisa should be recited before Rama Raksha stotra. I do not understand the logic. > > > > > > Shree Ramchandra is the lord and Hanuma was his devotee. Hanuman is more pleased when his lord is pleased. There are many pointers in puranas & smrithis where Hanuman wanted his lord - as Shree Ramachandra or Lord Narashimha to invoked before propitiating him. > > > > > > Hence it is always better to recite Rama raksha stotra or ashtothara before propitiating Lord Hanuman. > > > > > > Those who do not the proper ucharana etc of mrithyunjaya mantra, they can recite mrinthyunjaya stotra etc. The mantra is embeded in these stotras but requires no special initiation or procedure. > > > > > > feel free to ask for any specific clarification. > > > > > > Hope this helps you. > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > , " bhagvatjee " <bhagvatjee@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Suresh Babu Ji > > > > Thanks a lot for posting this. It is really a complex thing. People like us can get easily confused because of lack of profssional knowledge. > > > > > > > > Whenever I discuss this Mantra subject with some specialist, I get some new information and get more confused and start thinking that we ordinary people can never recite Mantra or Stotra, because everytime there will be some mistake in it. > > > > > > > > I don't know what to do for this? > > > > With regards > > > > Sushma > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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