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Dear Sanjay.If your birth time is taken 2:41AM ,your ascendant comes Libra at 29

Degree 53Minutes 30Seconds.In this situation Your 4th house lord Sani is posited

in 8th house and it is retrograde and besides this by progression Saturn had

been posited in Leo Sign that is 8th from 4th house so you had to suffer on that

count.Besides this your Jupiter-Sun Dasa had been  effective from 26-12-2008 to

14-10-2009 and sublord of sun is saturn.This result suites you at present

also.Sani(Saturn) has been posited in Leo for last 30 months.In this condition

you should have helpfull good brothers and sisters also.

                         Your birth time if taken 2:46AM,then your ascendant may

be Scorpio at 1 Degree.In this condition your present condition is in question?

Your financial condition should not have been worst.You should have  two wheeler

or 4 wheeler Vehicle. In this condition you should not have helpfull good

brothers and sisters also.

                         Confirm which time is suitable 2:41AM or 2:46AM and

scorpio Lagna.If you confirm,you may be told remedy and analysis.

 

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

--- On Fri, 9/18/09, sanjay_1972 <srsc wrote:

 

 

sanjay_1972 <srsc

i want to know about my kundali

 

Friday, September 18, 2009, 1:34 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

pranam sir

as my DOB is:18/01/1972 time of birth is 02:41 a.m., place of birth is

nasik,maharashtra, india. since last 2 & 1/2 yrs i am facing problem in business,

i m not able to concentrate properly on business as i am getting very much

depress, i have gone to many astrologers some sy i am having shani dhaiya, some

say i am having rahu dasha. i dont understant what to do in future life. one

more thing i would like to add that my ascendant sign is scorpio, and moon sign

is capricorn.

request you to plz guide me remedy for my problem.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Dhirendra ji,

Namasthe,

 

I am writing this out of academic interest. Could you possibly show us how you

arrive at correct TOB as per KP system?. I am asking since you mentioned about

possible difference.

 

with regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra

 

Friday, September 18, 2009 9:11:15 PM

Re: i want to know about my kundali

 

 

Dear Sanjay.If your birth time is taken 2:41AM ,your ascendant comes Libra at 29

Degree 53Minutes 30Seconds.In this situation Your 4th house lord Sani is posited

in 8th house and it is retrograde and besides this by progression Saturn had

been posited in Leo Sign that is 8th from 4th house so you had to suffer on that

count.Besides this your Jupiter-Sun Dasa had been  effective from 26-12-2008 to

14-10-2009 and sublord of sun is saturn.This result suites you at present

also.Sani(Saturn) has been posited in Leo for last 30 months.In this condition

you should have helpfull good brothers and sisters also.

                         Your birth time if taken 2:46AM,then your ascendant may

be Scorpio at 1 Degree.In this condition your present condition is in question?

Your financial condition should not have been worst.You should have  two wheeler

or 4 wheeler Vehicle. In this condition you should not have helpfull good

brothers and sisters also.

                         Confirm which time is suitable 2:41AM or 2:46AM and

scorpio Lagna.If you confirm,you may be told remedy and analysis.

 

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

--- On Fri, 9/18/09, sanjay_1972@ rocketmail. com <srsc (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

sanjay_1972@ rocketmail. com <srsc (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com>

i want to know about my kundali

 

Friday, September 18, 2009, 1:34 PM

 

 

 

pranam sir

as my DOB is:18/01/1972 time of birth is 02:41 a.m., place of birth is

nasik,maharashtra, india. since last 2 & 1/2 yrs i am facing problem in business,

i m not able to concentrate properly on business as i am getting very much

depress, i have gone to many astrologers some sy i am having shani dhaiya, some

say i am having rahu dasha. i dont understant what to do in future life. one

more thing i would like to add that my ascendant sign is scorpio, and moon sign

is capricorn.

request you to plz guide me remedy for my problem.

 

 

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Respected Sir,Sadar Namaskar,Sir It is not the case of birth rectification.The

querist has informed that his ascendant is Scorpio at 2:41AM on 18-01-1972.But

it is incorrect.Actually his Ascendant is Libra at 29/53/30 and the result is

correct according to his condition.

If I take Scorpio it may be acceptable latest by 02:46 AM only as it takes

hardly 5 minutes to take out the baby from mother's womb and crying of baby.The

life begins when the baby inhales while crying Amma or any other form of

sound.so for K.p is concerned,we have to take the rulling planet at the time of

judgement.Then in that sign select the constellation and sub governed by the

ruling planet.Then,this is the exact position of the lagna.Only the rulling

planet at the moment of judgement will be useful and innumerable instance are

given in the magazine ''Astrology & Athrishta''.I am not well adept in

rectification of birth time.Please write an article on this point,If it is

easily understandable by the general readers.

          I again pariticipated today in quiz held by K.P.forum and they

published my analysis and result is yet to be announced.The query was

thus-comment on this person & personality who was born on 25-04-1957 at

6AM,latitude is given 18:59E,Longitude 75:50E.Let the result come.I will tell

you.With regards,                       

 

 

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

--- On Fri, 9/18/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote:

 

 

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag

Re: i want to know about my kundali

 

Friday, September 18, 2009, 5:20 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Dhirendra ji,

Namasthe,

 

I am writing this out of academic interest. Could you possibly show us how you

arrive at correct TOB as per KP system?. I am asking since you mentioned about

possible difference.

 

with regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@ ymail.com>

 

Friday, September 18, 2009 9:11:15 PM

Re: i want to know about my kundali

 

 

Dear Sanjay.If your birth time is taken 2:41AM ,your ascendant comes Libra at 29

Degree 53Minutes 30Seconds.In this situation Your 4th house lord Sani is posited

in 8th house and it is retrograde and besides this by progression Saturn had

been posited in Leo Sign that is 8th from 4th house so you had to suffer on that

count.Besides this your Jupiter-Sun Dasa had been  effective from 26-12-2008 to

14-10-2009 and sublord of sun is saturn.This result suites you at present

also.Sani(Saturn) has been posited in Leo for last 30 months.In this condition

you should have helpfull good brothers and sisters also.

                         Your birth time if taken 2:46AM,then your ascendant may

be Scorpio at 1 Degree.In this condition your present condition is in question?

Your financial condition should not have been worst.You should have  two wheeler

or 4 wheeler Vehicle. In this condition you should not have helpfull good

brothers and sisters also.

                         Confirm which time is suitable 2:41AM or 2:46AM and

scorpio Lagna.If you confirm,you may be told remedy and analysis.

 

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

--- On Fri, 9/18/09, sanjay_1972@ rocketmail. com <srsc (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

sanjay_1972@ rocketmail. com <srsc (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com>

i want to know about my kundali

 

Friday, September 18, 2009, 1:34 PM

 

 

 

pranam sir

as my DOB is:18/01/1972 time of birth is 02:41 a.m., place of birth is

nasik,maharashtra, india. since last 2 & 1/2 yrs i am facing problem in business,

i m not able to concentrate properly on business as i am getting very much

depress, i have gone to many astrologers some sy i am having shani dhaiya, some

say i am having rahu dasha. i dont understant what to do in future life. one

more thing i would like to add that my ascendant sign is scorpio, and moon sign

is capricorn.

request you to plz guide me remedy for my problem.

 

 

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Dear friend,

 

You are presently running Jupiter-Sun period.

 

Both planets are in Rasi Sandhi.

 

sun is debilitated in dasamsa chart

 

indicating lot of money blocked in business credit.

 

Since jupiter is also weak in transit and

 

also progressing over leo rasi in RBV Dasa

 

you are in strong need of eliminating

 

credit/personal loans to people to save your business.

 

Try with all your intelligence to get the blocked money back.

 

Regular worship of Sun God /Lord Shiva would be beneficial.

 

Regards,

 

Mrutyunjay Tripathy

(Consultancy out of group is not free)

 

Natal Chart

 

January 18, 1972

Time: 2:41:00

Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 73 E 53' 00 " , 20 N 20' 00 "

Nasik, India

Altitude: 0.00 meters

 

Lunar Yr-Mo: Virodha-krit - Magha

Tithi: Sukla Dwitiya (Mo) (50.61% left)

Vedic Weekday: Monday (Mo)

Nakshatra: Sravanam (Mo) (14.99% left)

Yoga: Siddhi (Ma) (64.44% left)

Karana: Balava (Mo) (1.21% left)

Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Vi)

Mahakala Hora: Mercury (5 min sign: Cn)

Kaala Lord: Moon (Mahakala: Rahu)

 

Sunrise: 7:16:52 (January 17)

Sunset: 18:11:55 (January 17)

Janma Ghatis: 48.5055

 

Ayanamsa: 23-27-56.47

Sidereal Time: 9:52:07

Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

 

Lagna 29 Li 47' 45.48 " Visa 3 Li Ge

Sun - GK 3 Cp 24' 25.00 " USha 3 Cp Aq

Moon - AK 21 Cp 20' 03.63 " Srav 4 Cp Cn

Mars - AmK 20 Pi 55' 16.66 " Reva 2 Pi Cp

Mercury - MK 15 Sg 06' 42.72 " PSha 1 Sg Le

Jupiter - DK 2 Sg 33' 03.69 " Mool 1 Sg Ar

Venus - PiK 8 Aq 06' 09.76 " Sata 1 Aq Sg

Saturn ® - PK 6 Ta 15' 36.19 " Krit 3 Ta Aq

Rahu - BK 12 Cp 16' 09.18 " Srav 1 Cp Ar

Ketu 12 Cn 16' 09.18 " Push 3 Cn Li

Maandi 6 Le 06' 14.01 " Magh 2 Le Ta

Vimsottari Dasa:

 

Jup MD: 1998-07-20 (2:01:05) - 2014-07-20 (4:29:40)

Sun AD: 2009-01-29 (3:15:16) - 2009-11-19 (13:11:33)

 

Pratyantardasas in this AD:

 

Sun: 2009-01-29 (3:15:16) - 2009-02-12 (8:16:55)

Moon: 2009-02-12 (8:16:55) - 2009-03-08 (4:43:47)

Mars: 2009-03-08 (4:43:47) - 2009-03-25 (1:35:35)

Rah: 2009-03-25 (1:35:35) - 2009-05-08 (4:25:45)

Jup: 2009-05-08 (4:25:45) - 2009-06-17 (4:22:55)

Sat: 2009-06-17 (4:22:55) - 2009-08-03 (23:25:10)

Merc: 2009-08-03 (23:25:10) - 2009-09-15 (6:17:07)

 

Ket: 2009-09-15 (6:17:07) - 2009-10-02 (9:57:35)

Ven: 2009-10-02 (9:57:35) - 2009-11-19 (13:11:33)

 

 

, " sanjay_1972 " <srsc wrote:

>

> pranam sir

> as my DOB is:18/01/1972 time of birth is 02:41 a.m., place of birth is

nasik,maharashtra,india. since last 2 & 1/2 yrs i am facing problem in business, i

m not able to concentrate properly on business as i am getting very much

depress, i have gone to many astrologers some sy i am having shani dhaiya, some

say i am having rahu dasha. i dont understant what to do in future life. one

more thing i would like to add that my ascendant sign is scorpio, and moon sign

is capricorn.

> request you to plz guide me remedy for my problem.

>

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Dear Dhirendra nath ji,

 

 

//If I take Scorpio it may be acceptable latest by 02:46 AM only as it takes

hardly 5 minutes to take out the baby from mother's womb and crying of baby.The

life begins when the baby inhales while crying Amma or any other form of

sound.so for K.p is concerned,we have to take the rulling planet at the time of

judgement//

 

pls refer the above statement. I have seen this and wondered about it. lagna is

the time when the baby first cries? Have you given any thought on this? In

reality there are many cases where a baby does not cry for hours after birth and

nurses try hard to make them cry - even harsh methods like pinching etc. But the

truth is medicaly a newly born baby is believed to not to feel pain. So if the

baby does not cry for an hour or two, will the KP consider the later time (after

two hrs ) or the time of birth- when the baby came out?. what if the child born

is dumb?. will you say (KP) that the child is never born?. Practically &

medically crying of the baby is only a sign of health and that atleast some of

functions are normal.  

 

I think it is a total misunderstanding or misinterpretation of what Shree

Krishnamoorthy might have tried to convey. Simply because it is illlogical. pls

Think about it. I am not trying to bashing of KP. Just pointing to a theory or

rather a statement that does not have logic.

 

Birth or Lagna is akin to Udaya - that rises (not cries). It is similar to sun

rise - suryodaya. The only controvercy here that whether sun rise should be

considered when tip of the surya bimba rises above the horizon or whether it

should be when the full circle is above. There is also an argument about the

halo of sun.

 

There is lot of similarity in the birth of a child and that of sun

the birth could be considered when we see the hair on the head or when when

the head come out first or when the full body comes out. here the argument is

valid when we consider prishtodaya - birth with legs first comming out. In that

case, the body should be naturaly outside for the head to be see - A phenomena

that does not happen with Sun. However the whole process takes only a minute or

two. But with sun it could be slightly longer due to distance factor and the

size of the sun.

 

In traditional astrology we employ some methods such as " Kunda kriya "  to correct

lagna. I was actually hoping that you could give provide any mathematical

process if existing in KP.

 

Personaly I employ a combination of methods but is difficult without the active

participation of the native with lot more facts than he might provide on the

internet. That is the reason we rarely use it here.

 

In this case, the only pointer he has provided conclusively is that he suffered

since the last 2 1/2 years and that his name is sanjay(which we are not sure

enough-many don't divulge their true name). That means he started suffering when

saturn was transiting through Karkata - his 7th house and to the 8th. Jupiter

though in the 11nth was retrograde. hence the suffering could be due to transit

of planets also. However I find that if we adjust the time by 5 minutes - lagna

off course changes to scorpio, Kalachakra dasa starts with karkata sign at about

2 1/2 years back and with the time he provided it start around 2005. But then,

we need more facts to come to a conclusion. The native has only mentioned about

financial difficulties - natual when we think 2nd house aspected by saturn

from the 8th house. But if we consider Scorpio as lagna, what will the same

Saturn do to his family life being in the 7th?.

 

In kalachakra dasa, chidra or antardasa  changes with a difference of even a

minute whle vimsottari it might take much longer time unless one goes as low as

prana / sookshma etc. This is the reason why I choose Kala chakra - and Kala is

time also.

 

In reality does it matter which is the lagna here if we consider bhava? Birth

time correction is far more complex and time consuming.

 

Birth at a particular time is destined and no one can change it (doctors try-

but even that is destined).

 

Hope you shall take this in good stead.  

 

I must appologise to sanjay for indulging in this discussion, but felt worthwile

to come to a conclusion about the birth time for your own good.

 

 

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy    

 

   

 

   

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra

 

Saturday, September 19, 2009 2:02:14 AM

Re: i want to know about my kundali

 

 

Respected Sir,Sadar Namaskar,Sir It is not the case of birth rectification. The

querist has informed that his ascendant is Scorpio at 2:41AM on 18-01-1972.But

it is incorrect.Actually his Ascendant is Libra at 29/53/30 and the result is

correct according to his condition.

If I take Scorpio it may be acceptable latest by 02:46 AM only as it takes

hardly 5 minutes to take out the baby from mother's womb and crying of baby.The

life begins when the baby inhales while crying Amma or any other form of

sound.so for K.p is concerned,we have to take the rulling planet at the time of

judgement.Then in that sign select the constellation and sub governed by the

ruling planet.Then, this is the exact position of the lagna.Only the rulling

planet at the moment of judgement will be useful and innumerable instance are

given in the magazine ''Astrology & Athrishta''. I am not well adept in

rectification of birth time.Please write an article on this point,If it is

easily understandable by the general readers.

          I again pariticipated today in quiz held by K.P.forum and they

published my analysis and result is yet to be announced.The query was

thus-comment on this person & personality who was born on 25-04-1957 at

6AM,latitude is given 18:59E,Longitude 75:50E.Let the result come.I will tell

you.With regards,                       

 

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

--- On Fri, 9/18/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

 

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

Re: i want to know about my kundali

 

Friday, September 18, 2009, 5:20 PM

 

 

 

Dear Dhirendra ji,

Namasthe,

 

I am writing this out of academic interest. Could you possibly show us how you

arrive at correct TOB as per KP system?. I am asking since you mentioned about

possible difference.

 

with regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @ ymail.com>

 

Friday, September 18, 2009 9:11:15 PM

Re: i want to know about my kundali

 

 

Dear Sanjay.If your birth time is taken 2:41AM ,your ascendant comes Libra at 29

Degree 53Minutes 30Seconds.In this situation Your 4th house lord Sani is posited

in 8th house and it is retrograde and besides this by progression Saturn had

been posited in Leo Sign that is 8th from 4th house so you had to suffer on that

count.Besides this your Jupiter-Sun Dasa had been  effective from 26-12-2008 to

14-10-2009 and sublord of sun is saturn.This result suites you at present

also.Sani(Saturn) has been posited in Leo for last 30 months.In this condition

you should have helpfull good brothers and sisters also.

                         Your birth time if taken 2:46AM,then your ascendant may

be Scorpio at 1 Degree.In this condition your present condition is in question?

Your financial condition should not have been worst.You should have  two wheeler

or 4 wheeler Vehicle. In this condition you should not have helpfull good

brothers and sisters also.

                         Confirm which time is suitable 2:41AM or 2:46AM and

scorpio Lagna.If you confirm,you may be told remedy and analysis.

 

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

--- On Fri, 9/18/09, sanjay_1972@ rocketmail. com <srsc (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

sanjay_1972@ rocketmail. com <srsc (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com>

i want to know about my kundali

 

Friday, September 18, 2009, 1:34 PM

 

 

 

pranam sir

as my DOB is:18/01/1972 time of birth is 02:41 a.m., place of birth is

nasik,maharashtra, india. since last 2 & 1/2 yrs i am facing problem in business,

i m not able to concentrate properly on business as i am getting very much

depress, i have gone to many astrologers some sy i am having shani dhaiya, some

say i am having rahu dasha. i dont understant what to do in future life. one

more thing i would like to add that my ascendant sign is scorpio, and moon sign

is capricorn.

request you to plz guide me remedy for my problem.

 

 

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Respected Sir,Good Evening,

// .The life begins when the baby inhales    //

               I had to say that the life begins when the baby inhales .I t is

immaterial whether baby cries or baby is dumb.That is the birth time when baby

inhales or baby is born dead when it is taken out from the mother's womb.In the

case of sanjay at 2:41AM time on 18.01.1972,place Nasik,Maharastra the ascendant

comes Libra at 29/53/30 and not scorpio.I use Geo Vision Parasar Light  6.1

Software  to cast any horoscope and I believe that it is correct.If by error the

ascendant is taken scorpio the present condition does not match with the

condition of Mr.Sanjay.This was all about my analysis and nothing else and I

have already told you that this is not the case of rectification of birth

time.what K.P says on this point is not disputable as K.S.K had been a gifted

astrologer of his time.With regards,

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

--- On Sat, 9/19/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote:

 

 

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag

Re: i want to know about my kundali

 

Saturday, September 19, 2009, 6:29 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Dhirendra nath ji,

 

//If I take Scorpio it may be acceptable latest by 02:46 AM only as it takes

hardly 5 minutes to take out the baby from mother's womb and crying of baby.The

life begins when the baby inhales while crying Amma or any other form of

sound.so for K.p is concerned,we have to take the rulling planet at the time of

judgement//

 

pls refer the above statement. I have seen this and wondered about it. lagna is

the time when the baby first cries? Have you given any thought on this? In

reality there are many cases where a baby does not cry for hours after birth and

nurses try hard to make them cry - even harsh methods like pinching etc. But the

truth is medicaly a newly born baby is believed to not to feel pain. So if the

baby does not cry for an hour or two, will the KP consider the later time (after

two hrs ) or the time of birth- when the baby came out?. what if the child born

is dumb?. will you say (KP) that the child is never born?. Practically &

medically crying of the baby is only a sign of health and that atleast some of

functions are normal.  

 

I think it is a total misunderstanding or misinterpretation of what Shree

Krishnamoorthy might have tried to convey. Simply because it is illlogical. pls

Think about it. I am not trying to bashing of KP. Just pointing to a theory or

rather a statement that does not have logic.

 

Birth or Lagna is akin to Udaya - that rises (not cries). It is similar to sun

rise - suryodaya. The only controvercy here that whether sun rise should be

considered when tip of the surya bimba rises above the horizon or whether it

should be when the full circle is above. There is also an argument about the

halo of sun.

 

There is lot of similarity in the birth of a child and that of sun

the birth could be considered when we see the hair on the head or when when

the head come out first or when the full body comes out. here the argument is

valid when we consider prishtodaya - birth with legs first comming out. In that

case, the body should be naturaly outside for the head to be see - A phenomena

that does not happen with Sun. However the whole process takes only a minute or

two. But with sun it could be slightly longer due to distance factor and the

size of the sun.

 

In traditional astrology we employ some methods such as " Kunda kriya "  to correct

lagna. I was actually hoping that you could give provide any mathematical

process if existing in KP.

 

Personaly I employ a combination of methods but is difficult without the active

participation of the native with lot more facts than he might provide on the

internet. That is the reason we rarely use it here.

 

In this case, the only pointer he has provided conclusively is that he suffered

since the last 2 1/2 years and that his name is sanjay(which we are not sure

enough-many don't divulge their true name). That means he started suffering when

saturn was transiting through Karkata - his 7th house and to the 8th. Jupiter

though in the 11nth was retrograde. hence the suffering could be due to transit

of planets also. However I find that if we adjust the time by 5 minutes - lagna

off course changes to scorpio, Kalachakra dasa starts with karkata sign at about

2 1/2 years back and with the time he provided it start around 2005. But then,

we need more facts to come to a conclusion. The native has only mentioned about

financial difficulties - natual when we think 2nd house aspected by saturn

from the 8th house. But if we consider Scorpio as lagna, what will the same

Saturn do to his family life being in the 7th?.

 

In kalachakra dasa, chidra or antardasa  changes with a difference of even a

minute whle vimsottari it might take much longer time unless one goes as low as

prana / sookshma etc. This is the reason why I choose Kala chakra - and Kala is

time also.

 

In reality does it matter which is the lagna here if we consider bhava? Birth

time correction is far more complex and time consuming.

 

Birth at a particular time is destined and no one can change it (doctors try-

but even that is destined).

 

Hope you shall take this in good stead.  

 

I must appologise to sanjay for indulging in this discussion, but felt worthwile

to come to a conclusion about the birth time for your own good.

 

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy    

 

   

 

   

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@ ymail.com>

 

Saturday, September 19, 2009 2:02:14 AM

Re: i want to know about my kundali

 

 

Respected Sir,Sadar Namaskar,Sir It is not the case of birth rectification. The

querist has informed that his ascendant is Scorpio at 2:41AM on 18-01-1972.But

it is incorrect.Actually his Ascendant is Libra at 29/53/30 and the result is

correct according to his condition.

If I take Scorpio it may be acceptable latest by 02:46 AM only as it takes

hardly 5 minutes to take out the baby from mother's womb and crying of baby.The

life begins when the baby inhales while crying Amma or any other form of

sound.so for K.p is concerned,we have to take the rulling planet at the time of

judgement.Then in that sign select the constellation and sub governed by the

ruling planet.Then, this is the exact position of the lagna.Only the rulling

planet at the moment of judgement will be useful and innumerable instance are

given in the magazine ''Astrology & Athrishta''. I am not well adept in

rectification of birth time.Please write an article on this point,If it is

easily understandable by the general readers.

          I again pariticipated today in quiz held by K.P.forum and they

published my analysis and result is yet to be announced.The query was

thus-comment on this person & personality who was born on 25-04-1957 at

6AM,latitude is given 18:59E,Longitude 75:50E.Let the result come.I will tell

you.With regards,                       

 

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

--- On Fri, 9/18/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

 

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

Re: i want to know about my kundali

 

Friday, September 18, 2009, 5:20 PM

 

 

 

Dear Dhirendra ji,

Namasthe,

 

I am writing this out of academic interest. Could you possibly show us how you

arrive at correct TOB as per KP system?. I am asking since you mentioned about

possible difference.

 

with regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @ ymail.com>

 

Friday, September 18, 2009 9:11:15 PM

Re: i want to know about my kundali

 

 

Dear Sanjay.If your birth time is taken 2:41AM ,your ascendant comes Libra at 29

Degree 53Minutes 30Seconds.In this situation Your 4th house lord Sani is posited

in 8th house and it is retrograde and besides this by progression Saturn had

been posited in Leo Sign that is 8th from 4th house so you had to suffer on that

count.Besides this your Jupiter-Sun Dasa had been  effective from 26-12-2008 to

14-10-2009 and sublord of sun is saturn.This result suites you at present

also.Sani(Saturn) has been posited in Leo for last 30 months.In this condition

you should have helpfull good brothers and sisters also.

                         Your birth time if taken 2:46AM,then your ascendant may

be Scorpio at 1 Degree.In this condition your present condition is in question?

Your financial condition should not have been worst.You should have  two wheeler

or 4 wheeler Vehicle. In this condition you should not have helpfull good

brothers and sisters also.

                         Confirm which time is suitable 2:41AM or 2:46AM and

scorpio Lagna.If you confirm,you may be told remedy and analysis.

 

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

--- On Fri, 9/18/09, sanjay_1972@ rocketmail. com <srsc (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

sanjay_1972@ rocketmail. com <srsc (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com>

i want to know about my kundali

 

Friday, September 18, 2009, 1:34 PM

 

 

 

pranam sir

as my DOB is:18/01/1972 time of birth is 02:41 a.m., place of birth is

nasik,maharashtra, india. since last 2 & 1/2 yrs i am facing problem in business,

i m not able to concentrate properly on business as i am getting very much

depress, i have gone to many astrologers some sy i am having shani dhaiya, some

say i am having rahu dasha. i dont understant what to do in future life. one

more thing i would like to add that my ascendant sign is scorpio, and moon sign

is capricorn.

request you to plz guide me remedy for my problem.

 

 

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Dear Sirs,

For a minuete if v  look from point of visionaries and as 3rd as lagna,the

affliction is evident with Rahu and ketu as nodes effecting rasi as well as the

house of association and partnerships (7th house)

Saturn in any case as lord of 5th from rasi is retrograde and is in krittika of

sun indicating that the native suffers from consistency and also has no

proper image  in business.As seen from mars in 3rd he mighty taking too much of

risks as 3rd from rasi may not be giving the results.

Dasa lord jupiter influenced by moola nakshtra of ketu in 12th is also

contributing to losses.though in ownsign.Mercury in 12th may help him if he

decides a proper product for business line or works deligently in consultancy as

he is capable for such fileds.

Probably birth time rectification procedures remain ambiguous and is not to be

attempted for the sake of natives profits or losses.The position of moon and sun

can give us leads to understand the trends of his life present and past.

Probably the native is a brooding type, and in the height range of below 5.10

feet,and is having ,small eyes and physically strong with brittle hair  and is

very emotional .His ascendant is right or wrong too can be confirmed if at all

we ascertain  from him

If pertains to libra these characters altogether will be different and must be

bespectacled with and will have some bruises/accident marks on his body.

These confirmations need to be looked also if doubts on lagna based birth time

are entertained.

Let's also remember whether the ju/mo/ma commencing from Dec 2009 till Nov

2011 (JU/MA/KE) will make things some what contnede.

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

 

 

--- On Sat, 9/19/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote:

 

 

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag

Re: i want to know about my kundali

 

Saturday, September 19, 2009, 2:29 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Dhirendra nath ji,

 

//If I take Scorpio it may be acceptable latest by 02:46 AM only as it takes

hardly 5 minutes to take out the baby from mother's womb and crying of baby.The

life begins when the baby inhales while crying Amma or any other form of

sound.so for K.p is concerned,we have to take the rulling planet at the time of

judgement//

 

pls refer the above statement. I have seen this and wondered about it. lagna is

the time when the baby first cries? Have you given any thought on this? In

reality there are many cases where a baby does not cry for hours after birth and

nurses try hard to make them cry - even harsh methods like pinching etc. But the

truth is medicaly a newly born baby is believed to not to feel pain. So if the

baby does not cry for an hour or two, will the KP consider the later time (after

two hrs ) or the time of birth- when the baby came out?. what if the child born

is dumb?. will you say (KP) that the child is never born?. Practically &

medically crying of the baby is only a sign of health and that atleast some of

functions are normal.  

 

I think it is a total misunderstanding or misinterpretation of what Shree

Krishnamoorthy might have tried to convey. Simply because it is illlogical. pls

Think about it. I am not trying to bashing of KP. Just pointing to a theory or

rather a statement that does not have logic.

 

Birth or Lagna is akin to Udaya - that rises (not cries). It is similar to sun

rise - suryodaya. The only controvercy here that whether sun rise should be

considered when tip of the surya bimba rises above the horizon or whether it

should be when the full circle is above. There is also an argument about the

halo of sun.

 

There is lot of similarity in the birth of a child and that of sun

the birth could be considered when we see the hair on the head or when when

the head come out first or when the full body comes out. here the argument is

valid when we consider prishtodaya - birth with legs first comming out. In that

case, the body should be naturaly outside for the head to be see - A phenomena

that does not happen with Sun. However the whole process takes only a minute or

two. But with sun it could be slightly longer due to distance factor and the

size of the sun.

 

In traditional astrology we employ some methods such as " Kunda kriya "  to correct

lagna. I was actually hoping that you could give provide any mathematical

process if existing in KP.

 

Personaly I employ a combination of methods but is difficult without the active

participation of the native with lot more facts than he might provide on the

internet. That is the reason we rarely use it here.

 

In this case, the only pointer he has provided conclusively is that he suffered

since the last 2 1/2 years and that his name is sanjay(which we are not sure

enough-many don't divulge their true name). That means he started suffering when

saturn was transiting through Karkata - his 7th house and to the 8th. Jupiter

though in the 11nth was retrograde. hence the suffering could be due to transit

of planets also. However I find that if we adjust the time by 5 minutes - lagna

off course changes to scorpio, Kalachakra dasa starts with karkata sign at about

2 1/2 years back and with the time he provided it start around 2005. But then,

we need more facts to come to a conclusion. The native has only mentioned about

financial difficulties - natual when we think 2nd house aspected by saturn

from the 8th house. But if we consider Scorpio as lagna, what will the same

Saturn do to his family life being in the 7th?.

 

In kalachakra dasa, chidra or antardasa  changes with a difference of even a

minute whle vimsottari it might take much longer time unless one goes as low as

prana / sookshma etc. This is the reason why I choose Kala chakra - and Kala is

time also.

 

In reality does it matter which is the lagna here if we consider bhava? Birth

time correction is far more complex and time consuming.

 

Birth at a particular time is destined and no one can change it (doctors try-

but even that is destined).

 

Hope you shall take this in good stead.  

 

I must appologise to sanjay for indulging in this discussion, but felt worthwile

to come to a conclusion about the birth time for your own good.

 

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy    

 

   

 

   

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@ ymail.com>

 

Saturday, September 19, 2009 2:02:14 AM

Re: i want to know about my kundali

 

 

Respected Sir,Sadar Namaskar,Sir It is not the case of birth rectification. The

querist has informed that his ascendant is Scorpio at 2:41AM on 18-01-1972.But

it is incorrect.Actually his Ascendant is Libra at 29/53/30 and the result is

correct according to his condition.

If I take Scorpio it may be acceptable latest by 02:46 AM only as it takes

hardly 5 minutes to take out the baby from mother's womb and crying of baby..The

life begins when the baby inhales while crying Amma or any other form of

sound.so for K.p is concerned,we have to take the rulling planet at the time of

judgement.Then in that sign select the constellation and sub governed by the

ruling planet.Then, this is the exact position of the lagna.Only the rulling

planet at the moment of judgement will be useful and innumerable instance are

given in the magazine ''Astrology & Athrishta''. I am not well adept in

rectification of birth time.Please write an article on this point,If it is

easily understandable by the general readers.

          I again pariticipated today in quiz held by K.P..forum and they

published my analysis and result is yet to be announced.The query was

thus-comment on this person & personality who was born on 25-04-1957 at

6AM,latitude is given 18:59E,Longitude 75:50E.Let the result come.I will tell

you.With regards,                       

 

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

--- On Fri, 9/18/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

 

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

Re: i want to know about my kundali

 

Friday, September 18, 2009, 5:20 PM

 

 

 

Dear Dhirendra ji,

Namasthe,

 

I am writing this out of academic interest. Could you possibly show us how you

arrive at correct TOB as per KP system?. I am asking since you mentioned about

possible difference.

 

with regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @ ymail.com>

 

Friday, September 18, 2009 9:11:15 PM

Re: i want to know about my kundali

 

 

Dear Sanjay.If your birth time is taken 2:41AM ,your ascendant comes Libra at 29

Degree 53Minutes 30Seconds.In this situation Your 4th house lord Sani is posited

in 8th house and it is retrograde and besides this by progression Saturn had

been posited in Leo Sign that is 8th from 4th house so you had to suffer on that

count.Besides this your Jupiter-Sun Dasa had been  effective from 26-12-2008 to

14-10-2009 and sublord of sun is saturn.This result suites you at present

also.Sani(Saturn) has been posited in Leo for last 30 months.In this condition

you should have helpfull good brothers and sisters also.

                         Your birth time if taken 2:46AM,then your ascendant may

be Scorpio at 1 Degree.In this condition your present condition is in question?

Your financial condition should not have been worst.You should have  two wheeler

or 4 wheeler Vehicle. In this condition you should not have helpfull good

brothers and sisters also.

                         Confirm which time is suitable 2:41AM or 2:46AM and

scorpio Lagna.If you confirm,you may be told remedy and analysis.

 

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

--- On Fri, 9/18/09, sanjay_1972@ rocketmail. com <srsc (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

sanjay_1972@ rocketmail. com <srsc (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com>

i want to know about my kundali

 

Friday, September 18, 2009, 1:34 PM

 

 

 

pranam sir

as my DOB is:18/01/1972 time of birth is 02:41 a.m., place of birth is

nasik,maharashtra, india. since last 2 & 1/2 yrs i am facing problem in business,

i m not able to concentrate properly on business as i am getting very much

depress, i have gone to many astrologers some sy i am having shani dhaiya, some

say i am having rahu dasha. i dont understant what to do in future life. one

more thing i would like to add that my ascendant sign is scorpio, and moon sign

is capricorn.

request you to plz guide me remedy for my problem.

 

 

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