a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn transit

September 23, 2009

Dear Gurujis,

There are two panchangs used namely Vakya panchang and Thirukganida panchang.

The transitions of planets differ in these two panchang. For eg Saturn transit

was on 9.9.09 according to Ganida Panchang but Vakya panchang shows as 26th Sep

09. The temples including thirunallar celebrate on 26th only.

What is the diff between these two panchangs. Horescopes are calaculated based

on which panchang?

For a child born on say 15.9 will the saturn be in simha or kanya?

Can you please guide us.

Regards

Sankar

September 23, 2009

Dear friend,

Around 12th septemer 2009 around 9 PM I lost a black coloured umbrella

which had been predicted in advance by one of my astrologer friend

using Ganita based Panghangam

simply based on Saturn's transit into virgo.

Majority of people opine in favour of it.

I have no experience of Vakya Panchangam.

Regards,

Mrutyunjay Tripathy

, " sankaranarayanan k.s "

<shankypriyan wrote:

>

> Dear Gurujis,

>

> There are two panchangs used namely Vakya panchang and Thirukganida panchang.

>

> The transitions of planets differ in these two panchang. For eg Saturn transit

was on 9.9.09 according to Ganida Panchang but Vakya panchang shows as 26th Sep

09. The temples including thirunallar celebrate on 26th only.

>

> What is the diff between these two panchangs. Horescopes are calaculated based

on which panchang?

>

> For a child born on say 15.9 will the saturn be in simha or kanya?

>

> Can you please guide us.

>

> Regards

>

> Sankar

>

September 23, 2009

Dear Mrithyunjay Tripati Ji,

That is interesting. Can you elaborate ?

Umbrella or Chatram is attributed to Rahu. How wonder how transit of saturn

should point to it. Or is it because of the black color of the umbrella

- Saturns color?

or is there any other factor?

regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

________________________________

jyotish <astrologer_mrutyunjay

Wednesday, September 23, 2009 4:50:52 PM

Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn

transit

Dear friend,

Around 12th septemer 2009 around 9 PM I lost a black coloured umbrella

which had been predicted in advance by one of my astrologer friend

using Ganita based Panghangam

simply based on Saturn's transit into virgo.

Majority of people opine in favour of it.

I have no experience of Vakya Panchangam.

Regards,

Mrutyunjay Tripathy

, " sankaranarayanan k.s " <shankypriyan@

....> wrote:

>

> Dear Gurujis,

>

> There are two panchangs used namely Vakya panchang and Thirukganida panchang.

>

> The transitions of planets differ in these two panchang. For eg Saturn transit

was on 9.9.09 according to Ganida Panchang but Vakya panchang shows as 26th Sep

09. The temples including thirunallar celebrate on 26th only.

>

> What is the diff between these two panchangs. Horescopes are calaculated based

on which panchang?

>

> For a child born on say 15.9 will the saturn be in simha or kanya?

>

> Can you please guide us.

>

> Regards

>

> Sankar

>

September 23, 2009

Dear Sankaranarayanan,

It is not two but several Panchangas are available in Inida and followed.

Some of them interpolation of methods.

I had earlier, I believe on the 10th posted a message giving different date /

timmings of transit of saturn and also gave the experiences I had on the dates.

Another members also contributed with his experience (he got a job). Now Shree

Mrithyunja Tripati ji also had contributed his experience.

You may look up that message - santurn's transit computed with

B.V.Raman Ayanamsa

Lahiri Ayanamsa

Surya Sidhanta as given by Kundalee Software.

However interesting is that though the ayanamsa difference between Kundalee and

Raman's is only about 5mnts and that between Raman's & Lahiri about 1deg and

20mnt, the trasit of saturn as per Kundalee was on the same day given by Lahiri

shorter by a few hours only.

As far as we are aware of Kundalee is the only software available which Shree

Vinay Jha its, creator claims to 100% complaint to Surya Sidhanta. There are

many panchangas that use drik sidhanta for planetory positions while using surya

sidanta for some calculation relating to muhurtha etc, about which I am not very

sure.

Some of these theories are propounded by researchers who do not have any

experience in Astrological practice. Hence they remain theories eventually.

This has been an ongoing battle for ages now and only practical experience will

convince about the reality.

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

, " sankaranarayanan k.s "

<shankypriyan wrote:

>

> Dear Gurujis,

>

> There are two panchangs used namely Vakya panchang and Thirukganida panchang.

>

> The transitions of planets differ in these two panchang. For eg Saturn transit

was on 9.9.09 according to Ganida Panchang but Vakya panchang shows as 26th Sep

09. The temples including thirunallar celebrate on 26th only.

>

> What is the diff between these two panchangs. Horescopes are calaculated based

on which panchang?

>

> For a child born on say 15.9 will the saturn be in simha or kanya?

>

> Can you please guide us.

>

> Regards

>

> Sankar

>

September 23, 2009

Dear Guruji,

On Sep 9th around 4 pm, I lost my black colored helmet. It was old and I had put

it on my bike expecting no one to steal it.Please let me know if there is any

significance (negative) as I am already in Saturn maha dasha and moving out of

Kandaka shani starting Sep 9 into Ashtama Shani and am currently unemployed for

quite sometime now.

Regards,

Prathap

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag

wrote:

>

> Dear Mrithyunjay Tripati Ji,

>

> That is interesting. Can you elaborate ?

>

> Umbrella or Chatram is attributed to Rahu. How wonder how transit of saturn

should point to it. Or is it because of the black color of the umbrella

- Saturns color?

>

> or is there any other factor?

>

> regards

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

>

> ________________________________

> jyotish <astrologer_mrutyunjay

>

> Wednesday, September 23, 2009 4:50:52 PM

> Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn

transit

>

> Dear friend,

>

> Around 12th septemer 2009 around 9 PM I lost a black coloured umbrella

>

> which had been predicted in advance by one of my astrologer friend

>

> using Ganita based Panghangam

>

> simply based on Saturn's transit into virgo.

>

> Majority of people opine in favour of it.

>

> I have no experience of Vakya Panchangam.

>

> Regards,

>

> Mrutyunjay Tripathy

>

> , " sankaranarayanan k.s "

<shankypriyan@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Gurujis,

> >

> > There are two panchangs used namely Vakya panchang and Thirukganida

panchang.

> >

> > The transitions of planets differ in these two panchang. For eg Saturn

transit was on 9.9.09 according to Ganida Panchang but Vakya panchang shows as

26th Sep 09. The temples including thirunallar celebrate on 26th only.

> >

> > What is the diff between these two panchangs. Horescopes are calaculated

based on which panchang?

> >

> > For a child born on say 15.9 will the saturn be in simha or kanya?

> >

> > Can you please guide us.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Sankar

> >

September 23, 2009

Dear Pratap ji,

Thank you for posting this. You have added another incident of loss on the day

of trasit.

Personaly, I would view this loss as a good sign.

It is said in scriptures that when the planet is inimical, dana should be done

with objects of significance for that planets to the NEEDY.

By logic, the person who took your helmet should be wanting one at that moment

So I would consider it as dana even though it was not intentional and without

proper rituals.

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

________________________________

<

Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:31:29 PM

Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn

transit

Dear Guruji,

On Sep 9th around 4 pm, I lost my black colored helmet. It was old and I had put

it on my bike expecting no one to steal it.Please let me know if there is any

significance (negative) as I am already in Saturn maha dasha and moving out of

Kandaka shani starting Sep 9 into Ashtama Shani and am currently unemployed for

quite sometime now.

Regards,

Prathap

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Mrithyunjay Tripati Ji,

>

> That is interesting. Can you elaborate ?

>

> Umbrella or Chatram is attributed to Rahu. How wonder how transit of saturn

should point to it. Or is it because of the black color of the umbrella

- Saturns color?

>

> or is there any other factor?

>

> regards

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> jyotish <astrologer_ mrutyunjay@ ...>

>

> Wednesday, September 23, 2009 4:50:52 PM

> Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn

transit

>

> Dear friend,

>

> Around 12th septemer 2009 around 9 PM I lost a black coloured umbrella

>

> which had been predicted in advance by one of my astrologer friend

>

> using Ganita based Panghangam

>

> simply based on Saturn's transit into virgo.

>

> Majority of people opine in favour of it.

>

> I have no experience of Vakya Panchangam.

>

> Regards,

>

> Mrutyunjay Tripathy

>

> , " sankaranarayanan k.s "

<shankypriyan@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Gurujis,

> >

> > There are two panchangs used namely Vakya panchang and Thirukganida

panchang.

> >

> > The transitions of planets differ in these two panchang. For eg Saturn

transit was on 9.9.09 according to Ganida Panchang but Vakya panchang shows as

26th Sep 09. The temples including thirunallar celebrate on 26th only.

> >

> > What is the diff between these two panchangs. Horescopes are calaculated

based on which panchang?

> >

> > For a child born on say 15.9 will the saturn be in simha or kanya?

> >

> > Can you please guide us.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Sankar

> >

September 23, 2009

Dear Friends,

The Panchnaga discussion was also in the group some time back.Most of the

populat panchang published in vernacular languages are Ganida panchang

only.Vakya Panchang is of academic significance.In Benares(Gurukul Kangdi) there

is a core group that studies astrnomical features and involves in Vakya panchang

serving for academic purpose.it's usage however is limited.for today application

however it is ganita Panchang as they are avilable in shops commercially.

Even Rashtriya Sanskrit Vidya Peeth in New Delhi too publishes every year

Ganitha Panchang.Most of the panchang are now synchronised and agree with Shri

Lahari's Ephemeris.

Now about Loss of Chatram and the rainy day of 12th Sept mentioned:

Very interesting of the 9P.M on 12th Sept as I see lagna of mars was raising in

Aries at 15.52 degrees.Lagna lord Mars was in 3rd with moon.Exactly moon crossed

..20 degrees of saturn present in 9th from (rasi 4th) square to 6th housearound

4.10 p..m Theft: " chora bhayam " must be felt by the aspect of saturn on

moon(10th).Possibly some servant must have taken it and was noticed by a lady(?)

Any way ,Shri Tripathy Ji is no looser and gainer is his friend that predicted

recovery of umberella.

we have now a cover up(Chatram) for saturn joining his friend(Mercury) in

exaltation but in retrograde.in Kanya

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

________________________________

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag

Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:02:43 PM

Re: Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn

transit

Dear Mrithyunjay Tripati Ji,

That is interesting. Can you elaborate ?

Umbrella or Chatram is attributed to Rahu. How wonder how transit of saturn

should point to it. Or is it because of the black color of the umbrella

- Saturns color?

or is there any other factor?

regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

____________ _________ _________ __

jyotish <astrologer_mrutyunj ay >

Wednesday, September 23, 2009 4:50:52 PM

Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn

transit

Dear friend,

Around 12th septemer 2009 around 9 PM I lost a black coloured umbrella

which had been predicted in advance by one of my astrologer friend

using Ganita based Panghangam

simply based on Saturn's transit into virgo.

Majority of people opine in favour of it.

I have no experience of Vakya Panchangam.

Regards,

Mrutyunjay Tripathy

, " sankaranarayanan k.s " <shankypriyan@

....> wrote:

>

> Dear Gurujis,

>

> There are two panchangs used namely Vakya panchang and Thirukganida panchang.

>

> The transitions of planets differ in these two panchang. For eg Saturn transit

was on 9.9.09 according to Ganida Panchang but Vakya panchang shows as 26th Sep

09. The temples including thirunallar celebrate on 26th only.

>

> What is the diff between these two panchangs. Horescopes are calaculated based

on which panchang?

>

> For a child born on say 15.9 will the saturn be in simha or kanya?

>

> Can you please guide us.

>

> Regards

>

> Sankar

>

September 23, 2009

Pujay shri Sureshji. and Pujay shri Tripatiji,

I have a small question for both of u perhaps u can throw some light on it.

As we know Saturn was to transit from Leo to Virgo on 9-9-09 = around evening

time .

In my life all of sudden on morning of 6th I was taken ill and had to go into

Hospital - were they started investigation - but until 9th Sept 09 precisely

06-01 P.M. I was put into operation table - where after tubes which were gone

into the heart and Surgeon said it looks like it that we will have go for OPEN

HEART

SURGERY-

that is the time I told him that without consulting my family I would not

like to GO ahead - as it was a transit period of Saturn also. I was transfer ed

from

operation table into recovery at about 08=35 PM.

At present they have clean up the arteries and still waiting for further

consultation.

do u think I may have to go for full surgery.

BTW my ASC is Leo = can there be some connection to the transit. of Saturn.

In case if u need Birth details they are mentioned here.

DOB 18TH AUGUST 1931

POB. KARACHI [NOW IN PAKISTAN]

TOB 08=00 A.M.

SHALL BE MUCH OBLIGE FOR YR COMMENT.

Jay shree Krishna to all of u. pdk

--- On Wed, 23/9/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote:

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag

Re: Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn

transit

Wednesday, 23 September, 2009, 1:32 PM

Dear Mrithyunjay Tripati Ji,

That is interesting. Can you elaborate ?

Umbrella or Chatram is attributed to Rahu. How wonder how transit of saturn

should point to it. Or is it because of the black color of the umbrella

- Saturns color?

or is there any other factor?

regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

____________ _________ _________ __

jyotish <astrologer_mrutyunj ay >

Wednesday, September 23, 2009 4:50:52 PM

Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn

transit

Dear friend,

Around 12th septemer 2009 around 9 PM I lost a black coloured umbrella

which had been predicted in advance by one of my astrologer friend

using Ganita based Panghangam

simply based on Saturn's transit into virgo.

Majority of people opine in favour of it.

I have no experience of Vakya Panchangam.

Regards,

Mrutyunjay Tripathy

, " sankaranarayanan k.s " <shankypriyan@

....> wrote:

>

> Dear Gurujis,

>

> There are two panchangs used namely Vakya panchang and Thirukganida panchang.

>

> The transitions of planets differ in these two panchang. For eg Saturn transit

was on 9.9.09 according to Ganida Panchang but Vakya panchang shows as 26th Sep

09. The temples including thirunallar celebrate on 26th only.

>

> What is the diff between these two panchangs. Horescopes are calaculated based

on which panchang?

>

> For a child born on say 15.9 will the saturn be in simha or kanya?

>

> Can you please guide us.

>

> Regards

>

> Sankar

>

September 23, 2009

Dear Sankar,

I really appreciate your querry at this juncture too many controversies reg.

saturn transit. To add more to your querry in orissa, you must be aware that

Lord Jagannath Puri's daily rituals are based on one Kohinoor Panjika and other

panjika varies from 9 to 15 sept 2009 which is great matter of shocking

particularly for the astrologers engaged in horoscope making.Time now for all of

us to lodge a PIL against this as to which one is based on Surya Siddhant and

which one is most accurate in order to avoid correct saturn position in new born

babby's horoscope those took birth during these periods.

With best wishes,

P K Tripathy

________________________________

sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan

Wednesday, September 23, 2009 11:43:08 AM

a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn transit

Dear Gurujis,

There are two panchangs used namely Vakya panchang and Thirukganida panchang.

The transitions of planets differ in these two panchang. For eg Saturn transit

was on 9.9.09 according to Ganida Panchang but Vakya panchang shows as 26th Sep

09. The temples including thirunallar celebrate on 26th only.

What is the diff between these two panchangs. Horescopes are calaculated based

on which panchang?

For a child born on say 15.9 will the saturn be in simha or kanya?

Can you please guide us.

Regards

Sankar

September 23, 2009

Dear friend,

The dictum about Saturn/Jupiter transit is

'Adyaye Sani chara

Prante Guruh'

Meaning sign effects of Saturn felt even in minor way

in the form of hints....for future

....saturn in Arambha Sandhi of rasi causes loss of

items signified by it...black items

...similarly jupiter transit in rashi end...

problems related ...children health,,,,reputation or credibility

coming down etc.

On the basis of results we can check in very simple ways

which is the most approximate correct date of

change of sign of planets in transit.

In my case Saturn is 7th and 6th lord for Simha lagna-22 degree...

transiting over simha/kanya rasi sandhi

causing loss of personal possession(2nd house virgo)

-umbrella...as saturn aspecting over 10th/11th house (Overhead/ Chhatra or

umbrella).

I do not know whether the other friend losing his helmet had something directly

to do with 10th from

lagna or moon.(Virgo is my 10th rasi from moon-sign sagitarius).

Regards,

Mrutyunjay Tripathy

(Consultancy out of group is not free)

, " " <

wrote:

>

> Dear Guruji,

>

> On Sep 9th around 4 pm, I lost my black colored helmet. It was old and I had

put it on my bike expecting no one to steal it.Please let me know if there is

any significance (negative) as I am already in Saturn maha dasha and moving out

of Kandaka shani starting Sep 9 into Ashtama Shani and am currently unemployed

for quite sometime now.

>

> Regards,

> Prathap

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mrithyunjay Tripati Ji,

> >

> > That is interesting. Can you elaborate ?

> >

> > Umbrella or Chatram is attributed to Rahu. How wonder how transit of saturn

should point to it. Or is it because of the black color of the umbrella

- Saturns color?

> >

> > or is there any other factor?

> >

> > regards

> > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

> >

> > ________________________________

> > jyotish <astrologer_mrutyunjay@>

> >

> > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 4:50:52 PM

> > Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn

transit

> >

> > Dear friend,

> >

> > Around 12th septemer 2009 around 9 PM I lost a black coloured umbrella

> >

> > which had been predicted in advance by one of my astrologer friend

> >

> > using Ganita based Panghangam

> >

> > simply based on Saturn's transit into virgo.

> >

> > Majority of people opine in favour of it.

> >

> > I have no experience of Vakya Panchangam.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Mrutyunjay Tripathy

> >

> > , " sankaranarayanan k.s "

<shankypriyan@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Gurujis,

> > >

> > > There are two panchangs used namely Vakya panchang and Thirukganida

panchang.

> > >

> > > The transitions of planets differ in these two panchang. For eg Saturn

transit was on 9.9.09 according to Ganida Panchang but Vakya panchang shows as

26th Sep 09. The temples including thirunallar celebrate on 26th only.

> > >

> > > What is the diff between these two panchangs. Horescopes are calaculated

based on which panchang?

> > >

> > > For a child born on say 15.9 will the saturn be in simha or kanya?

> > >

> > > Can you please guide us.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Sankar

> > >

September 23, 2009

Dear friend,

NOT IMMEDIATELY.

Do regular recitation of Maha Mrityunjay Mantra

and meditation upon

'Shadakshara Ram Tarak mantra'

for three months at least and

after that if again the

specialists opine for surgery after seeing your condition

on the basis of the pathology reports.

Regards,

Mrutyunjay Tripathy

, pdk kotak <ganeshji101 wrote:

>

> Pujay shri Sureshji. and Pujay shri Tripatiji,

>

> I have a small question for both of u perhaps u can throw some light on it.

> As we know Saturn was to transit from Leo to Virgo on 9-9-09 = around evening

> time .

>

> In my life all of sudden on morning of 6th I was taken ill and had to go into

> Hospital - were they started investigation - but until 9th Sept 09 precisely

> 06-01 P.M. I was put into operation table - where after tubes which were gone

> into the heart and Surgeon said it looks like it that we will have go for OPEN

HEART

> SURGERY-

>

> that is the time I told him that without consulting my family I would not

> like to GO ahead - as it was a transit period of Saturn also. I was transfer

ed from

> operation table into recovery at about 08=35 PM.

>

> At present they have clean up the arteries and still waiting for further

consultation.

> do u think I may have to go for full surgery.

>

> BTW my ASC is Leo = can there be some connection to the transit. of Saturn.

>

> In case if u need Birth details they are mentioned here.

> DOB 18TH AUGUST 1931

> POB. KARACHI [NOW IN PAKISTAN]

> TOB 08=00 A.M.

>

> SHALL BE MUCH OBLIGE FOR YR COMMENT.

>

> Jay shree Krishna to all of u. pdk

>

> --- On Wed, 23/9/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote:

>

> Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag

> Re: Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn

transit

>

> Wednesday, 23 September, 2009, 1:32 PM

>

> Dear Mrithyunjay Tripati Ji,

>

> That is interesting. Can you elaborate ?

>

> Umbrella or Chatram is attributed to Rahu. How wonder how transit of saturn

should point to it. Or is it because of the black color of the umbrella

- Saturns color?

>

> or is there any other factor?

>

> regards

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> jyotish <astrologer_mrutyunj ay >

>

> Wednesday, September 23, 2009 4:50:52 PM

> Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn

transit

>

> Dear friend,

>

> Around 12th septemer 2009 around 9 PM I lost a black coloured umbrella

>

> which had been predicted in advance by one of my astrologer friend

>

> using Ganita based Panghangam

>

> simply based on Saturn's transit into virgo.

>

> Majority of people opine in favour of it.

>

> I have no experience of Vakya Panchangam.

>

> Regards,

>

> Mrutyunjay Tripathy

>

> , " sankaranarayanan k.s "

<shankypriyan@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Gurujis,

> >

> > There are two panchangs used namely Vakya panchang and Thirukganida

panchang.

> >

> > The transitions of planets differ in these two panchang. For eg Saturn

transit was on 9.9.09 according to Ganida Panchang but Vakya panchang shows as

26th Sep 09. The temples including thirunallar celebrate on 26th only.

> >

> > What is the diff between these two panchangs. Horescopes are calaculated

based on which panchang?

> >

> > For a child born on say 15.9 will the saturn be in simha or kanya?

> >

> > Can you please guide us.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Sankar

> >

September 23, 2009

Deat pk Tripathy ji,

This is best joke of the year. don't you know Govt is just waiting for somebody

to submit a PIL on something like this.

Just like they submited that Ram himself had demolished the Sethu, they will

declare all of this non-existant or even say that it is imported. But they won't

close down temple or astrologers. They will bring a special tax for consultants

and say that only authorised consultants can practice astrology.

Just an example.

A few years back, a stupid person filed a petition in Andra court that he is

forced to pay for TV channels he doesn't view. what happend ? govt brought

" regulations " this made entry of Big companies and DTH. now customers are paying

through their nose. individual channels became " bokes " groups. Still the

customer is paying even for those he doen't want see but paying a higher price

too. If govt was sincere, they could have asked the companies to charge for

individual channels. But they didn't. why? it is money. They saw an oppurtunity

to add to the exchequor.

What an idea sirji.

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

________________________________

Pk Tripathy <pktripathy89

Wednesday, September 23, 2009 7:32:39 PM

Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn

transit

Dear Sankar,

I really appreciate your querry at this juncture too many controversies reg.

saturn transit. To add more to your querry in orissa, you must be aware that

Lord Jagannath Puri's daily rituals are based on one Kohinoor Panjika and other

panjika varies from 9 to 15 sept 2009 which is great matter of shocking

particularly for the astrologers engaged in horoscope making.Time now for all of

us to lodge a PIL against this as to which one is based on Surya Siddhant and

which one is most accurate in order to avoid correct saturn position in new born

babby's horoscope those took birth during these periods.

With best wishes,

P K Tripathy

____________ _________ _________ __

sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ >

Wednesday, September 23, 2009 11:43:08 AM

a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn transit

Dear Gurujis,

There are two panchangs used namely Vakya panchang and Thirukganida panchang.

The transitions of planets differ in these two panchang. For eg Saturn transit

was on 9.9.09 according to Ganida Panchang but Vakya panchang shows as 26th Sep

09. The temples including thirunallar celebrate on 26th only.

What is the diff between these two panchangs. Horescopes are calaculated based

on which panchang?

For a child born on say 15.9 will the saturn be in simha or kanya?

Can you please guide us.

Regards

Sankar

September 24, 2009

Dear Sirs,

PILs are more becoming tools to obstruct and fulfil our own restricted and

limited views.Judges are not free as they have many disputes and crimes to

resolve.Now we burden them with PILs for no use and have enjoyment as a accpeted

method of practice for centuries is going on and now put a spoke.Like the laddu

as prasadam beinh served in Tirupati Bala ji temple by priests/Archakas has also

become matter of PIL in reverred courts.when we ourselves take steps to

vehemntly oppose traditional on our limited understanding it is only courts that

have to come forward for defining what is right.Are we heading for

anarchy?otheriwse what is this saturn and how the PIL comes into discussion?

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

________________________________

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag

Wednesday, September 23, 2009 11:00:19 PM

Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn

transit

Deat pk Tripathy ji,

This is best joke of the year. don't you know Govt is just waiting for somebody

to submit a PIL on something like this.

Just like they submited that Ram himself had demolished the Sethu, they will

declare all of this non-existant or even say that it is imported. But they won't

close down temple or astrologers. They will bring a special tax for consultants

and say that only authorised consultants can practice astrology.

Just an example.

A few years back, a stupid person filed a petition in Andra court that he is

forced to pay for TV channels he doesn't view. what happend ? govt brought

" regulations " this made entry of Big companies and DTH. now customers are paying

through their nose. individual channels became " bokes " groups. Still the

customer is paying even for those he doen't want see but paying a higher price

too. If govt was sincere, they could have asked the companies to charge for

individual channels. But they didn't. why? it is money. They saw an oppurtunity

to add to the exchequor.

What an idea sirji.

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

____________ _________ _________ __

Pk Tripathy <pktripathy89@ >

Wednesday, September 23, 2009 7:32:39 PM

Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn

transit

Dear Sankar,

I really appreciate your querry at this juncture too many controversies reg.

saturn transit. To add more to your querry in orissa, you must be aware that

Lord Jagannath Puri's daily rituals are based on one Kohinoor Panjika and other

panjika varies from 9 to 15 sept 2009 which is great matter of shocking

particularly for the astrologers engaged in horoscope making.Time now for all of

us to lodge a PIL against this as to which one is based on Surya Siddhant and

which one is most accurate in order to avoid correct saturn position in new born

babby's horoscope those took birth during these periods.

With best wishes,

P K Tripathy

____________ _________ _________ __

sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan@ >

Wednesday, September 23, 2009 11:43:08 AM

a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn transit

Dear Gurujis,

There are two panchangs used namely Vakya panchang and Thirukganida panchang.

The transitions of planets differ in these two panchang. For eg Saturn transit

was on 9.9.09 according to Ganida Panchang but Vakya panchang shows as 26th Sep

09. The temples including thirunallar celebrate on 26th only.

What is the diff between these two panchangs. Horescopes are calaculated based

on which panchang?

For a child born on say 15.9 will the saturn be in simha or kanya?

Can you please guide us.

Regards

Sankar

September 24, 2009

Thank you Respected Suresh Babu ji.

Regards,

Prathap

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag

wrote:

>

> Dear Pratap ji,

>

> Thank you for posting this. You have added another incident of loss on the

day of trasit.

>

> Personaly, I would view this loss as a good sign.

>

> It is said in scriptures that when the planet is inimical, dana should be done

with objects of significance for that planets to the NEEDY.

>

> By logic, the person who took your helmet should be wanting one at that moment

>

> So I would consider it as dana even though it was not intentional and without

proper rituals.

>

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> ________________________________

> <

>

> Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:31:29 PM

> Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn

transit

>

> Dear Guruji,

>

> On Sep 9th around 4 pm, I lost my black colored helmet. It was old and I had

put it on my bike expecting no one to steal it.Please let me know if there is

any significance (negative) as I am already in Saturn maha dasha and moving out

of Kandaka shani starting Sep 9 into Ashtama Shani and am currently unemployed

for quite sometime now.

>

> Regards,

> Prathap

>

> , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@

....> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mrithyunjay Tripati Ji,

> >

> > That is interesting. Can you elaborate ?

> >

> > Umbrella or Chatram is attributed to Rahu. How wonder how transit of saturn

should point to it. Or is it because of the black color of the umbrella

- Saturns color?

> >

> > or is there any other factor?

> >

> > regards

> > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > jyotish <astrologer_ mrutyunjay@ ...>

> >

> > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 4:50:52 PM

> > Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn

transit

> >

> > Dear friend,

> >

> > Around 12th septemer 2009 around 9 PM I lost a black coloured umbrella

> >

> > which had been predicted in advance by one of my astrologer friend

> >

> > using Ganita based Panghangam

> >

> > simply based on Saturn's transit into virgo.

> >

> > Majority of people opine in favour of it.

> >

> > I have no experience of Vakya Panchangam.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Mrutyunjay Tripathy

> >

> > , " sankaranarayanan k.s "

<shankypriyan@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Gurujis,

> > >

> > > There are two panchangs used namely Vakya panchang and Thirukganida

panchang.

> > >

> > > The transitions of planets differ in these two panchang. For eg Saturn

transit was on 9.9.09 according to Ganida Panchang but Vakya panchang shows as

26th Sep 09. The temples including thirunallar celebrate on 26th only.

> > >

> > > What is the diff between these two panchangs. Horescopes are calaculated

based on which panchang?

> > >

> > > For a child born on say 15.9 will the saturn be in simha or kanya?

> > >

> > > Can you please guide us.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Sankar

> > >

September 24, 2009

Respected Mrutyunjay ji,

I am born on Jan 7, 1965 at Shoranur in Kerala (4:25am). The saturn movement to

Virgo is 8th from moon and 11th from lagna.

Regards,

Prathap

, " jyotish " <astrologer_mrutyunjay

wrote:

>

> Dear friend,

>

> The dictum about Saturn/Jupiter transit is

>

> 'Adyaye Sani chara

>

> Prante Guruh'

>

> Meaning sign effects of Saturn felt even in minor way

>

> in the form of hints....for future

>

> ...saturn in Arambha Sandhi of rasi causes loss of

>

> items signified by it...black items

>

> ..similarly jupiter transit in rashi end...

>

> problems related ...children health,,,,reputation or credibility

>

> coming down etc.

>

> On the basis of results we can check in very simple ways

>

> which is the most approximate correct date of

>

> change of sign of planets in transit.

>

> In my case Saturn is 7th and 6th lord for Simha lagna-22 degree...

>

> transiting over simha/kanya rasi sandhi

>

> causing loss of personal possession(2nd house virgo)

>

> -umbrella...as saturn aspecting over 10th/11th house (Overhead/ Chhatra or

umbrella).

>

> I do not know whether the other friend losing his helmet had something

directly to do with 10th from

>

> lagna or moon.(Virgo is my 10th rasi from moon-sign sagitarius).

>

> Regards,

>

> Mrutyunjay Tripathy

> (Consultancy out of group is not free)

>

> , " " <@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Guruji,

> >

> > On Sep 9th around 4 pm, I lost my black colored helmet. It was old and I had

put it on my bike expecting no one to steal it.Please let me know if there is

any significance (negative) as I am already in Saturn maha dasha and moving out

of Kandaka shani starting Sep 9 into Ashtama Shani and am currently unemployed

for quite sometime now.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Prathap

> >

> > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Mrithyunjay Tripati Ji,

> > >

> > > That is interesting. Can you elaborate ?

> > >

> > > Umbrella or Chatram is attributed to Rahu. How wonder how transit of

saturn should point to it. Or is it because of the black color of the umbrella

- Saturns color?

> > >

> > > or is there any other factor?

> > >

> > > regards

> > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > jyotish <astrologer_mrutyunjay@>

> > >

> > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 4:50:52 PM

> > > Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn

transit

> > >

> > > Dear friend,

> > >

> > > Around 12th septemer 2009 around 9 PM I lost a black coloured umbrella

> > >

> > > which had been predicted in advance by one of my astrologer friend

> > >

> > > using Ganita based Panghangam

> > >

> > > simply based on Saturn's transit into virgo.

> > >

> > > Majority of people opine in favour of it.

> > >

> > > I have no experience of Vakya Panchangam.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy

> > >

> > > , " sankaranarayanan k.s "

<shankypriyan@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Gurujis,

> > > >

> > > > There are two panchangs used namely Vakya panchang and Thirukganida

panchang.

> > > >

> > > > The transitions of planets differ in these two panchang. For eg Saturn

transit was on 9.9.09 according to Ganida Panchang but Vakya panchang shows as

26th Sep 09. The temples including thirunallar celebrate on 26th only.

> > > >

> > > > What is the diff between these two panchangs. Horescopes are calaculated

based on which panchang?

> > > >

> > > > For a child born on say 15.9 will the saturn be in simha or kanya?

> > > >

> > > > Can you please guide us.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > > Sankar

> > > >

September 24, 2009

Dear Krishna ji

well I am surfe u r aware of the great panchage reforms commitee's delima and

had to deal with 33 panchangs or ayanamsa so the Lahiris who headed the comitter

finally thrust his own on the nation to havea uniform one for holidays to

central, state govt for festivals

and in the comitte the Vakya lobby is known th vae had the max raccus, noise

levels

and they still follow it in TN the Pambu panchangam is one and itself has diff

varities from diff districts/temples of TN

say kanchi follows rashtriya, sriranga,,, Madurai vetc have their own shades of

it

and in TN vakya prevails over Ganitha

u will find sani Payarchi in many still 4 months later I mean sani in Kanya for

vakya can be from sept 26 to 4 months later

all u need a brand name for ur panchanga sell it by the tree's name.

prashant

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

> The Panchnaga discussion was also in the group some time back.Most of the

populat panchang published in vernacular languages are Ganida panchang

only.Vakya Panchang is of academic significance.In Benares(Gurukul Kangdi) there

is a core group that studies astrnomical features and involves in Vakya panchang

serving for academic purpose.it's usage however is limited.for today application

however it is ganita Panchang as they are avilable in shops commercially.

> Even Rashtriya Sanskrit Vidya Peeth in New Delhi too publishes every year

Ganitha Panchang.Most of the panchang are now synchronised and agree with Shri

Lahari's Ephemeris.

> Now about Loss of Chatram and the rainy day of 12th Sept mentioned:

> Very interesting of the 9P.M on 12th Sept as I see lagna of mars was raising

in Aries at 15.52 degrees.Lagna lord Mars was in 3rd with moon.Exactly moon

crossed .20 degrees of saturn present in 9th from (rasi 4th) square to 6th

housearound 4.10 p..m Theft: " chora bhayam " must be felt by the aspect of saturn

on moon(10th).Possibly some servant must have taken it and was noticed by a

lady(?)

> Any way ,Shri Tripathy Ji is no looser and gainer is his friend that predicted

recovery of umberella.

> we have now a cover up(Chatram) for saturn joining his friend(Mercury) in

exaltation but in retrograde.in Kanya

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

>

> ________________________________

> Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag

>

> Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:02:43 PM

> Re: Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn

transit

>

> Dear Mrithyunjay Tripati Ji,

>

> That is interesting. Can you elaborate ?

>

> Umbrella or Chatram is attributed to Rahu. How wonder how transit of saturn

should point to it. Or is it because of the black color of the umbrella

- Saturns color?

>

> or is there any other factor?

>

> regards

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> jyotish <astrologer_mrutyunj ay >

>

> Wednesday, September 23, 2009 4:50:52 PM

> Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn

transit

>

> Dear friend,

>

> Around 12th septemer 2009 around 9 PM I lost a black coloured umbrella

>

> which had been predicted in advance by one of my astrologer friend

>

> using Ganita based Panghangam

>

> simply based on Saturn's transit into virgo.

>

> Majority of people opine in favour of it.

>

> I have no experience of Vakya Panchangam.

>

> Regards,

>

> Mrutyunjay Tripathy

>

> , " sankaranarayanan k.s "

<shankypriyan@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Gurujis,

> >

> > There are two panchangs used namely Vakya panchang and Thirukganida

panchang.

> >

> > The transitions of planets differ in these two panchang. For eg Saturn

transit was on 9.9.09 according to Ganida Panchang but Vakya panchang shows as

26th Sep 09. The temples including thirunallar celebrate on 26th only.

> >

> > What is the diff between these two panchangs. Horescopes are calaculated

based on which panchang?

> >

> > For a child born on say 15.9 will the saturn be in simha or kanya?

> >

> > Can you please guide us.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Sankar

> >

September 24, 2009

Dear Prashant ji,

//u will find sani Payarchi in many still 4 months later I mean sani in Kanya

for vakya can be from sept 26 to 4 months later .all u need a brand name for ur

panchanga sell it by the tree's name.//

Upto 4 months means a difference of almost 10deg.

What could be the basis of this computation in your opinion?.

regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

________________________________

astro <gbp_kumar

Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:29:51 PM

Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn

transit

Dear Krishna ji

well I am surfe u r aware of the great panchage reforms commitee's delima and

had to deal with 33 panchangs or ayanamsa so the Lahiris who headed the comitter

finally thrust his own on the nation to havea uniform one for holidays to

central, state govt for festivals

and in the comitte the Vakya lobby is known th vae had the max raccus, noise

levels

and they still follow it in TN the Pambu panchangam is one and itself has diff

varities from diff districts/temples of TN

say kanchi follows rashtriya, sriranga,,, Madurai vetc have their own shades of

it

and in TN vakya prevails over Ganitha

u will find sani Payarchi in many still 4 months later I mean sani in Kanya for

vakya can be from sept 26 to 4 months later

all u need a brand name for ur panchanga sell it by the tree's name.

prashant

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

> The Panchnaga discussion was also in the group some time back.Most of the

populat panchang published in vernacular languages are Ganida panchang

only.Vakya Panchang is of academic significance. In Benares(Gurukul

Kangdi) there is a core group that studies astrnomical features and involves in

Vakya panchang serving for academic purpose.it's usage however is limited.for

today application however it is ganita Panchang as they are avilable in shops

commercially.

> Even Rashtriya Sanskrit Vidya Peeth in New Delhi too publishes every year

Ganitha Panchang.Most of the panchang are now synchronised and agree with Shri

Lahari's Ephemeris.

> Now about Loss of Chatram and the rainy day of 12th Sept mentioned:

> Very interesting of the 9P.M on 12th Sept as I see lagna of mars was raising

in Aries at 15.52 degrees.Lagna lord Mars was in 3rd with moon.Exactly moon

crossed .20 degrees of saturn present in 9th from (rasi 4th) square to 6th

housearound 4.10 p..m Theft: " chora bhayam " must be felt by the aspect of saturn

on moon(10th).Possibly some servant must have taken it and was noticed by a

lady(?)

> Any way ,Shri Tripathy Ji is no looser and gainer is his friend that predicted

recovery of umberella.

> we have now a cover up(Chatram) for saturn joining his friend(Mercury) in

exaltation but in retrograde.in Kanya

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...>

>

> Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:02:43 PM

> Re: Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn

transit

>

> Dear Mrithyunjay Tripati Ji,

>

> That is interesting. Can you elaborate ?

>

> Umbrella or Chatram is attributed to Rahu. How wonder how transit of saturn

should point to it. Or is it because of the black color of the umbrella

- Saturns color?

>

> or is there any other factor?

>

> regards

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> jyotish <astrologer_ mrutyunj ay >

>

> Wednesday, September 23, 2009 4:50:52 PM

> Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn

transit

>

> Dear friend,

>

> Around 12th septemer 2009 around 9 PM I lost a black coloured umbrella

>

> which had been predicted in advance by one of my astrologer friend

>

> using Ganita based Panghangam

>

> simply based on Saturn's transit into virgo.

>

> Majority of people opine in favour of it.

>

> I have no experience of Vakya Panchangam.

>

> Regards,

>

> Mrutyunjay Tripathy

>

> , " sankaranarayanan k.s "

<shankypriyan@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Gurujis,

> >

> > There are two panchangs used namely Vakya panchang and Thirukganida

panchang.

> >

> > The transitions of planets differ in these two panchang. For eg Saturn

transit was on 9.9.09 according to Ganida Panchang but Vakya panchang shows as

26th Sep 09. The temples including thirunallar celebrate on 26th only.

> >

> > What is the diff between these two panchangs. Horescopes are calaculated

based on which panchang?

> >

> > For a child born on say 15.9 will the saturn be in simha or kanya?

> >

> > Can you please guide us.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Sankar

> >

September 24, 2009

Dear Prashant Ji,

Vakya Panchang being used in some parts takes care few local Pandits

wishes.Issues like Guru Muadhyam.Sukra Maidhyam and Pitrupaksha considered as in

auspicious some times due to application of vakya panchang may give variation.

Panchan requirement mainly caters to the requirement few pandits enagaged in

temple activities and for religious functionalities.the Govt apponted committe

even had late BV Raman as one member.The decision was for having a common

approach.yet Guru Pyarchi,Sani Pyyarchi etc cleberated differently in temples is

to meet partisan requitements.Ganta Panchng taking into scientific requirements

and Astronomy will be universal ans International application.

I still have one of my horoscope made in Chennai has some variation and even

computersied formats too.A famous AStrologer no more made a horoscope hailing

from kumabakonam showed variation in vimsottari dasa claculations by 6

months.when these were analysed they were found to have many variations.In

respect of slow moving planets,the avriations in planetary movements should not

be more than a fortnight.Even this can be basically due to suaraman and chnadra

mana claculations but not otherwise.Panchangams as mathematcial tables have to

remove ambiguities but not add or enhance.Vakya panchngam as projectes can help

in better understanding of Astronomical features but not otherwise.

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

________________________________

astro <gbp_kumar

Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:29:51 PM

Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn

transit

Dear Krishna ji

well I am surfe u r aware of the great panchage reforms commitee's delima and

had to deal with 33 panchangs or ayanamsa so the Lahiris who headed the comitter

finally thrust his own on the nation to havea uniform one for holidays to

central, state govt for festivals

and in the comitte the Vakya lobby is known th vae had the max raccus, noise

levels

and they still follow it in TN the Pambu panchangam is one and itself has diff

varities from diff districts/temples of TN

say kanchi follows rashtriya, sriranga,,, Madurai vetc have their own shades of

it

and in TN vakya prevails over Ganitha

u will find sani Payarchi in many still 4 months later I mean sani in Kanya for

vakya can be from sept 26 to 4 months later

all u need a brand name for ur panchanga sell it by the tree's name.

prashant

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

> The Panchnaga discussion was also in the group some time back.Most of the

populat panchang published in vernacular languages are Ganida panchang

only.Vakya Panchang is of academic significance. In Benares(Gurukul

Kangdi) there is a core group that studies astrnomical features and involves in

Vakya panchang serving for academic purpose.it's usage however is limited.for

today application however it is ganita Panchang as they are avilable in shops

commercially.

> Even Rashtriya Sanskrit Vidya Peeth in New Delhi too publishes every year

Ganitha Panchang.Most of the panchang are now synchronised and agree with Shri

Lahari's Ephemeris.

> Now about Loss of Chatram and the rainy day of 12th Sept mentioned:

> Very interesting of the 9P.M on 12th Sept as I see lagna of mars was raising

in Aries at 15.52 degrees.Lagna lord Mars was in 3rd with moon.Exactly moon

crossed .20 degrees of saturn present in 9th from (rasi 4th) square to 6th

housearound 4.10 p..m Theft: " chora bhayam " must be felt by the aspect of saturn

on moon(10th).Possibly some servant must have taken it and was noticed by a

lady(?)

> Any way ,Shri Tripathy Ji is no looser and gainer is his friend that predicted

recovery of umberella.

> we have now a cover up(Chatram) for saturn joining his friend(Mercury) in

exaltation but in retrograde.in Kanya

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...>

>

> Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:02:43 PM

> Re: Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn

transit

>

> Dear Mrithyunjay Tripati Ji,

>

> That is interesting. Can you elaborate ?

>

> Umbrella or Chatram is attributed to Rahu. How wonder how transit of saturn

should point to it. Or is it because of the black color of the umbrella

- Saturns color?

>

> or is there any other factor?

>

> regards

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> jyotish <astrologer_ mrutyunj ay >

>

> Wednesday, September 23, 2009 4:50:52 PM

> Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn

transit

>

> Dear friend,

>

> Around 12th septemer 2009 around 9 PM I lost a black coloured umbrella

>

> which had been predicted in advance by one of my astrologer friend

>

> using Ganita based Panghangam

>

> simply based on Saturn's transit into virgo.

>

> Majority of people opine in favour of it.

>

> I have no experience of Vakya Panchangam.

>

> Regards,

>

> Mrutyunjay Tripathy

>

> , " sankaranarayanan k.s "

<shankypriyan@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Gurujis,

> >

> > There are two panchangs used namely Vakya panchang and Thirukganida

panchang.

> >

> > The transitions of planets differ in these two panchang. For eg Saturn

transit was on 9.9.09 according to Ganida Panchang but Vakya panchang shows as

26th Sep 09. The temples including thirunallar celebrate on 26th only.

> >

> > What is the diff between these two panchangs. Horescopes are calaculated

based on which panchang?

> >

> > For a child born on say 15.9 will the saturn be in simha or kanya?

> >

> > Can you please guide us.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Sankar

> >

September 24, 2009

Dear suresh babu ji

well as said it is ego of the family tree that maintains or seels them, who

have lost the correction formulaes I feel else when we have such a solid one

where they cud still predict eclipses, Pushkarams or river melas with such good

precession these also some differed with giving times after it is over by 4 hrs

at least.

I found a case of a male born on 30/7/74 with sani in Vrishaba and the person

was arguing that it is so the family of astrologers r very well respeted for

over 30 yrs so what i said prove the same with any other Ephemiris drawn one or

any s/w worked one just one that will show it there

I said i have brother born inApr 20 74 and he has sani in Mithuna and showed to

him for months it ha sbeen in Mithuna itself he went on arguing for hrs, what

can we say we cant tell them 1+1 is 2

similarly one day the grand son of chakravarthi rajagopalachari [raja ji] called

me can u give me a vakya print out in s/w when i said why u need a s.w for it u

can plot it to ur pleasure he came all the way and arguded what do u know about

them, study vedas etc

VAKYAS HAS NO RETROGRESSION but our Jyotosh books have them

vakya has only direct motion

so when sani is back to simha and then back to kanya is the actual date most

VAKYA panchanga karthas use.

is what he toid to me

I am not averse to learning the vedas if some 1 can teach me, than me go to a

veda patasala away from home.

prashant

________________________________

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag

Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:58:25 PM

Re: Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn

transit

Dear Prashant ji,

//u will find sani Payarchi in many still 4 months later I mean sani in Kanya

for vakya can be from sept 26 to 4 months later .all u need a brand name for ur

panchanga sell it by the tree's name.//

Upto 4 months means a difference of almost 10deg.

What could be the basis of this computation in your opinion?.

regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

____________ _________ _________ __

astro <gbp_kumar >

Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:29:51 PM

Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn

transit

Dear Krishna ji

well I am surfe u r aware of the great panchage reforms commitee's delima and

had to deal with 33 panchangs or ayanamsa so the Lahiris who headed the comitter

finally thrust his own on the nation to havea uniform one for holidays to

central, state govt for festivals

and in the comitte the Vakya lobby is known th vae had the max raccus, noise

levels

and they still follow it in TN the Pambu panchangam is one and itself has diff

varities from diff districts/temples of TN

say kanchi follows rashtriya, sriranga,,, Madurai vetc have their own shades of

it

and in TN vakya prevails over Ganitha

u will find sani Payarchi in many still 4 months later I mean sani in Kanya for

vakya can be from sept 26 to 4 months later

all u need a brand name for ur panchanga sell it by the tree's name.

prashant

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

> The Panchnaga discussion was also in the group some time back.Most of the

populat panchang published in vernacular languages are Ganida panchang

only.Vakya Panchang is of academic significance. In Benares(Gurukul Kangdi)

there is a core group that studies astrnomical features and involves in Vakya

panchang serving for academic purpose.it's usage however is limited.for today

application however it is ganita Panchang as they are avilable in shops

commercially.

> Even Rashtriya Sanskrit Vidya Peeth in New Delhi too publishes every year

Ganitha Panchang.Most of the panchang are now synchronised and agree with Shri

Lahari's Ephemeris.

> Now about Loss of Chatram and the rainy day of 12th Sept mentioned:

> Very interesting of the 9P.M on 12th Sept as I see lagna of mars was raising

in Aries at 15.52 degrees.Lagna lord Mars was in 3rd with moon.Exactly moon

crossed .20 degrees of saturn present in 9th from (rasi 4th) square to 6th

housearound 4.10 p..m Theft: " chora bhayam " must be felt by the aspect of saturn

on moon(10th).Possibly some servant must have taken it and was noticed by a

lady(?)

> Any way ,Shri Tripathy Ji is no looser and gainer is his friend that predicted

recovery of umberella.

> we have now a cover up(Chatram) for saturn joining his friend(Mercury) in

exaltation but in retrograde.in Kanya

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...>

>

> Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:02:43 PM

> Re: Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn

transit

>

> Dear Mrithyunjay Tripati Ji,

>

> That is interesting. Can you elaborate ?

>

> Umbrella or Chatram is attributed to Rahu. How wonder how transit of saturn

should point to it. Or is it because of the black color of the umbrella -

Saturns color?

>

> or is there any other factor?

>

> regards

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> jyotish <astrologer_ mrutyunj ay >

>

> Wednesday, September 23, 2009 4:50:52 PM

> Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn

transit

>

> Dear friend,

>

> Around 12th septemer 2009 around 9 PM I lost a black coloured umbrella

>

> which had been predicted in advance by one of my astrologer friend

>

> using Ganita based Panghangam

>

> simply based on Saturn's transit into virgo.

>

> Majority of people opine in favour of it.

>

> I have no experience of Vakya Panchangam.

>

> Regards,

>

> Mrutyunjay Tripathy

>

> , " sankaranarayanan k.s "

<shankypriyan@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Gurujis,

> >

> > There are two panchangs used namely Vakya panchang and Thirukganida

panchang.

> >

> > The transitions of planets differ in these two panchang. For eg Saturn

transit was on 9.9.09 according to Ganida Panchang but Vakya panchang shows as

26th Sep 09. The temples including thirunallar celebrate on 26th only.

> >

> > What is the diff between these two panchangs. Horescopes are calaculated

based on which panchang?

> >

> > For a child born on say 15.9 will the saturn be in simha or kanya?

> >

> > Can you please guide us.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Sankar

> >

September 25, 2009

Dear Gurujis

The vakya Panchang

1. dose not differ on the Movement of sun and moon

2. Grahans are also predicted accurately but still differ on rahu/ketu transits.

It is confusing

3. Always on Saturn and Jupiter transits they differ with Ganitha panjang

4. Heven't checked on other planets.

Since festivals are associated with sun/moon there may not be an issue when

temples follow Vakya Panjang for celebrating Ganesk Chaturthi or janmashtami or

Pongal.

But the Navagraha temples following Vakya Panchang for transits will defenetly a

point to note.

Why they differ on major planets when there is no issue on sun and moon?

regards

sankar

--- On Wed, 9/23/09, jyotish <astrologer_mrutyunjay wrote:

jyotish <astrologer_mrutyunjay

Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn

transit

Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 10:17 PM

Dear friend,

The dictum about Saturn/Jupiter transit is

'Adyaye Sani chara

Prante Guruh'

Meaning sign effects of Saturn felt even in minor way

in the form of hints....for future

.....saturn in Arambha Sandhi of rasi causes loss of

items signified by it...black items

....similarly jupiter transit in rashi end...

problems related ...children health,,,,reputatio n or credibility

coming down etc.

On the basis of results we can check in very simple ways

which is the most approximate correct date of

change of sign of planets in transit.

In my case Saturn is 7th and 6th lord for Simha lagna-22 degree...

transiting over simha/kanya rasi sandhi

causing loss of personal possession(2nd house virgo)

-umbrella... as saturn aspecting over 10th/11th house (Overhead/ Chhatra or

umbrella).

I do not know whether the other friend losing his helmet had something directly

to do with 10th from

lagna or moon.(Virgo is my 10th rasi from moon-sign sagitarius).

Regards,

Mrutyunjay Tripathy

(Consultancy out of group is not free)

, " " <@ ....>

wrote:

>

> Dear Guruji,

>

> On Sep 9th around 4 pm, I lost my black colored helmet. It was old and I had

put it on my bike expecting no one to steal it.Please let me know if there is

any significance (negative) as I am already in Saturn maha dasha and moving out

of Kandaka shani starting Sep 9 into Ashtama Shani and am currently unemployed

for quite sometime now.

>

> Regards,

> Prathap

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ >

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mrithyunjay Tripati Ji,

> >

> > That is interesting. Can you elaborate ?

> >

> > Umbrella or Chatram is attributed to Rahu. How wonder how transit of saturn

should point to it. Or is it because of the black color of the umbrella

- Saturns color?

> >

> > or is there any other factor?

> >

> > regards

> > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > jyotish <astrologer_ mrutyunjay@ >

> >

> > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 4:50:52 PM

> > Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn

transit

> >

> > Dear friend,

> >

> > Around 12th septemer 2009 around 9 PM I lost a black coloured umbrella

> >

> > which had been predicted in advance by one of my astrologer friend

> >

> > using Ganita based Panghangam

> >

> > simply based on Saturn's transit into virgo.

> >

> > Majority of people opine in favour of it.

> >

> > I have no experience of Vakya Panchangam.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Mrutyunjay Tripathy

> >

> > , " sankaranarayanan k.s "

<shankypriyan@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Gurujis,

> > >

> > > There are two panchangs used namely Vakya panchang and Thirukganida

panchang.

> > >

> > > The transitions of planets differ in these two panchang. For eg Saturn

transit was on 9.9.09 according to Ganida Panchang but Vakya panchang shows as

26th Sep 09. The temples including thirunallar celebrate on 26th only..

> > >

> > > What is the diff between these two panchangs. Horescopes are calaculated

based on which panchang?

> > >

> > > For a child born on say 15.9 will the saturn be in simha or kanya?

> > >

> > > Can you please guide us.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Sankar

> > >

September 25, 2009

sri ganeshaya namah

dear all,

im using djwhal khul ayanamasa and it gives me saturns transit date to virgo on

26th october.

i have found this ayanamsa to be very useful and precise. also , we not must

forget that when lahiri ayanamsa was officially stamped as the only correct one

by the indian goverment, there were a total of 33 ayanamasa values in the

running !!

this djwhal khul ayanamsa maps the sideral zodiac to begin with krittika

nakshtra , since krittika nakshtra is the face of the kalapurusha and thus the

first nakshatra.

even maharishi parasara in bphs mentions vimshottari dasha periods starting from

krittika and not any other nakshatra , just implying that the nakshatra indeed

begin from krittika.

everyone may try this ayanamsa and share your views . just dont be surprised if

grahas appear in a different rashi as grahas close to the rashi borders will

just have moved a rashi prior.

humbly,

chandan s sabarwal.

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag

wrote:

>

> Dear Prashant ji,

>

> //u will find sani Payarchi in many still 4 months later I mean sani in Kanya

for vakya can be from sept 26 to 4 months later .all u need a brand name for ur

panchanga sell it by the tree's name.//

>

> Upto 4 months means a difference of almost 10deg.

>

> What could be the basis of this computation in your opinion?.

>

> regards

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> ________________________________

> astro <gbp_kumar

>

> Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:29:51 PM

> Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn

transit

>

> Dear Krishna ji

>

> well I am surfe u r aware of the great panchage reforms commitee's delima and

had to deal with 33 panchangs or ayanamsa so the Lahiris who headed the comitter

finally thrust his own on the nation to havea uniform one for holidays to

central, state govt for festivals

>

> and in the comitte the Vakya lobby is known th vae had the max raccus, noise

levels

> and they still follow it in TN the Pambu panchangam is one and itself has diff

varities from diff districts/temples of TN

> say kanchi follows rashtriya, sriranga,,, Madurai vetc have their own shades

of it

> and in TN vakya prevails over Ganitha

>

> u will find sani Payarchi in many still 4 months later I mean sani in Kanya

for vakya can be from sept 26 to 4 months later

> all u need a brand name for ur panchanga sell it by the tree's name.

>

> prashant

>

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> > The Panchnaga discussion was also in the group some time back.Most of the

populat panchang published in vernacular languages are Ganida panchang

only.Vakya Panchang is of academic significance. In Benares(Gurukul

Kangdi) there is a core group that studies astrnomical features and involves in

Vakya panchang serving for academic purpose.it's usage however is limited.for

today application however it is ganita Panchang as they are avilable in shops

commercially.

> > Even Rashtriya Sanskrit Vidya Peeth in New Delhi too publishes every year

Ganitha Panchang.Most of the panchang are now synchronised and agree with Shri

Lahari's Ephemeris.

> > Now about Loss of Chatram and the rainy day of 12th Sept mentioned:

> > Very interesting of the 9P.M on 12th Sept as I see lagna of mars was raising

in Aries at 15.52 degrees.Lagna lord Mars was in 3rd with moon.Exactly moon

crossed .20 degrees of saturn present in 9th from (rasi 4th) square to 6th

housearound 4.10 p..m Theft: " chora bhayam " must be felt by the aspect of saturn

on moon(10th).Possibly some servant must have taken it and was noticed by a

lady(?)

> > Any way ,Shri Tripathy Ji is no looser and gainer is his friend that

predicted recovery of umberella.

> > we have now a cover up(Chatram) for saturn joining his friend(Mercury) in

exaltation but in retrograde.in Kanya

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...>

> >

> > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:02:43 PM

> > Re: Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of

saturn transit

> >

> > Dear Mrithyunjay Tripati Ji,

> >

> > That is interesting. Can you elaborate ?

> >

> > Umbrella or Chatram is attributed to Rahu. How wonder how transit of saturn

should point to it. Or is it because of the black color of the umbrella

- Saturns color?

> >

> > or is there any other factor?

> >

> > regards

> > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > jyotish <astrologer_ mrutyunj ay >

> >

> > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 4:50:52 PM

> > Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn

transit

> >

> > Dear friend,

> >

> > Around 12th septemer 2009 around 9 PM I lost a black coloured umbrella

> >

> > which had been predicted in advance by one of my astrologer friend

> >

> > using Ganita based Panghangam

> >

> > simply based on Saturn's transit into virgo.

> >

> > Majority of people opine in favour of it.

> >

> > I have no experience of Vakya Panchangam.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Mrutyunjay Tripathy

> >

> > , " sankaranarayanan k.s "

<shankypriyan@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Gurujis,

> > >

> > > There are two panchangs used namely Vakya panchang and Thirukganida

panchang.

> > >

> > > The transitions of planets differ in these two panchang. For eg Saturn

transit was on 9.9.09 according to Ganida Panchang but Vakya panchang shows as

26th Sep 09. The temples including thirunallar celebrate on 26th only.

> > >

> > > What is the diff between these two panchangs. Horescopes are calaculated

based on which panchang?

> > >

> > > For a child born on say 15.9 will the saturn be in simha or kanya?

> > >

> > > Can you please guide us.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Sankar

> > >

September 25, 2009

Dear Sirs,

Basically All Almancs have basis of Surya Siddhnata.Hence visionaries mostly

whether in Ganita or in Vakya will be same.

But for purpose of five planets other than nodes.visionaries Drik Siddhnta has

also been considered to consider for festivals and eclipses etc.

Vakaya Panchang do not empahsise the IST as at ujjain/Allahabd.where as Ganitha

based Alamnacs for uniformity purpose take as basis and consider.

Local Almanacs make suitable corrections based on the publication and palce from

where panchang Karta functions.

For universal applications these corrections propsed based on some

understanding between variousschools have been implemented.That is howLahiri

Aynamsa assumes credibility for Astrological purposes.

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

--- On Fri, 9/25/09, sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan wrote:

sankaranarayanan k.s <shankypriyan

Re: Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn

transit

Friday, September 25, 2009, 4:53 AM

Dear Gurujis

The vakya Panchang

1. dose not differ on the Movement of sun and moon

2. Grahans are also predicted accurately but still differ on rahu/ketu transits.

It is confusing

3. Always on Saturn and Jupiter transits they differ with Ganitha panjang

4. Heven't checked on other planets.

Since festivals are associated with sun/moon there may not be an issue when

temples follow Vakya Panjang for celebrating Ganesk Chaturthi or janmashtami or

Pongal.

But the Navagraha temples following Vakya Panchang for transits will defenetly a

point to note.

Why they differ on major planets when there is no issue on sun and moon?

regards

sankar

--- On Wed, 9/23/09, jyotish <astrologer_mrutyunj ay > wrote:

jyotish <astrologer_mrutyunj ay >

Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn

transit

Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 10:17 PM

Dear friend,

The dictum about Saturn/Jupiter transit is

'Adyaye Sani chara

Prante Guruh'

Meaning sign effects of Saturn felt even in minor way

in the form of hints....for future

.....saturn in Arambha Sandhi of rasi causes loss of

items signified by it...black items

....similarly jupiter transit in rashi end...

problems related ...children health,,,,reputatio n or credibility

coming down etc.

On the basis of results we can check in very simple ways

which is the most approximate correct date of

change of sign of planets in transit.

In my case Saturn is 7th and 6th lord for Simha lagna-22 degree...

transiting over simha/kanya rasi sandhi

causing loss of personal possession(2nd house virgo)

-umbrella... as saturn aspecting over 10th/11th house (Overhead/ Chhatra or

umbrella).

I do not know whether the other friend losing his helmet had something directly

to do with 10th from

lagna or moon.(Virgo is my 10th rasi from moon-sign sagitarius).

Regards,

Mrutyunjay Tripathy

(Consultancy out of group is not free)

, " " <@ ....>

wrote:

>

> Dear Guruji,

>

> On Sep 9th around 4 pm, I lost my black colored helmet. It was old and I had

put it on my bike expecting no one to steal it.Please let me know if there is

any significance (negative) as I am already in Saturn maha dasha and moving out

of Kandaka shani starting Sep 9 into Ashtama Shani and am currently unemployed

for quite sometime now.

>

> Regards,

> Prathap

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ >

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mrithyunjay Tripati Ji,

> >

> > That is interesting. Can you elaborate ?

> >

> > Umbrella or Chatram is attributed to Rahu. How wonder how transit of saturn

should point to it. Or is it because of the black color of the umbrella

- Saturns color?

> >

> > or is there any other factor?

> >

> > regards

> > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > jyotish <astrologer_ mrutyunjay@ >

> >

> > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 4:50:52 PM

> > Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn

transit

> >

> > Dear friend,

> >

> > Around 12th septemer 2009 around 9 PM I lost a black coloured umbrella

> >

> > which had been predicted in advance by one of my astrologer friend

> >

> > using Ganita based Panghangam

> >

> > simply based on Saturn's transit into virgo.

> >

> > Majority of people opine in favour of it.

> >

> > I have no experience of Vakya Panchangam.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Mrutyunjay Tripathy

> >

> > , " sankaranarayanan k.s "

<shankypriyan@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Gurujis,

> > >

> > > There are two panchangs used namely Vakya panchang and Thirukganida

panchang.

> > >

> > > The transitions of planets differ in these two panchang. For eg Saturn

transit was on 9.9.09 according to Ganida Panchang but Vakya panchang shows as

26th Sep 09. The temples including thirunallar celebrate on 26th only..

> > >

> > > What is the diff between these two panchangs. Horescopes are calaculated

based on which panchang?

> > >

> > > For a child born on say 15.9 will the saturn be in simha or kanya?

> > >

> > > Can you please guide us.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Sankar

> > >

September 25, 2009

Shri Chandan Ji,

Very useful information.can You give some link to understand about " djwhal khul

ayanamasa "

How is this Ayanamsa gained importance and who is the proponent?Since how long

it's application is in prevalence.How does it match with Surya Siddhanta? for

planetary positions.

what about Astronomical significances?How does the nodes represent as per this

ayanmsa.This information will be helpful to understand it's relevance.Yet it is

not clear how Almanacs/Known as Pnachngas in circulation on Gnaith and other

wise vakya are rlevant to the concept of Ayanamsa?Do you agree all panchangas

are basically ganitha based?

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

--- On Fri, 9/25/09, chandan s sabarwal <wavelogix+jyotishremedies

wrote:

chandan s sabarwal <wavelogix+jyotishremedies

Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn

transit

Friday, September 25, 2009, 8:41 AM

sri ganeshaya namah

dear all,

im using djwhal khul ayanamasa and it gives me saturns transit date to virgo on

26th october.

i have found this ayanamsa to be very useful and precise. also , we not must

forget that when lahiri ayanamsa was officially stamped as the only correct one

by the indian goverment, there were a total of 33 ayanamasa values in the

running !!

this djwhal khul ayanamsa maps the sideral zodiac to begin with krittika

nakshtra , since krittika nakshtra is the face of the kalapurusha and thus the

first nakshatra.

even maharishi parasara in bphs mentions vimshottari dasha periods starting from

krittika and not any other nakshatra , just implying that the nakshatra indeed

begin from krittika.

everyone may try this ayanamsa and share your views . just dont be surprised if

grahas appear in a different rashi as grahas close to the rashi borders will

just have moved a rashi prior.

humbly,

chandan s sabarwal.

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Prashant ji,

>

> //u will find sani Payarchi in many still 4 months later I mean sani in Kanya

for vakya can be from sept 26 to 4 months later .all u need a brand name for ur

panchanga sell it by the tree's name.//

>

> Upto 4 months means a difference of almost 10deg.

>

> What could be the basis of this computation in your opinion?.

>

> regards

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> astro <gbp_kumar@. ..>

>

> Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:29:51 PM

> Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn

transit

>

> Dear Krishna ji

>

> well I am surfe u r aware of the great panchage reforms commitee's delima and

had to deal with 33 panchangs or ayanamsa so the Lahiris who headed the comitter

finally thrust his own on the nation to havea uniform one for holidays to

central, state govt for festivals

>

> and in the comitte the Vakya lobby is known th vae had the max raccus, noise

levels

> and they still follow it in TN the Pambu panchangam is one and itself has diff

varities from diff districts/temples of TN

> say kanchi follows rashtriya, sriranga,,, Madurai vetc have their own shades

of it

> and in TN vakya prevails over Ganitha

>

> u will find sani Payarchi in many still 4 months later I mean sani in Kanya

for vakya can be from sept 26 to 4 months later

> all u need a brand name for ur panchanga sell it by the tree's name.

>

> prashant

>

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> > The Panchnaga discussion was also in the group some time back.Most of the

populat panchang published in vernacular languages are Ganida panchang

only.Vakya Panchang is of academic significance. In Benares(Gurukul

Kangdi) there is a core group that studies astrnomical features and involves in

Vakya panchang serving for academic purpose.it's usage however is limited.for

today application however it is ganita Panchang as they are avilable in shops

commercially.

> > Even Rashtriya Sanskrit Vidya Peeth in New Delhi too publishes every year

Ganitha Panchang.Most of the panchang are now synchronised and agree with Shri

Lahari's Ephemeris.

> > Now about Loss of Chatram and the rainy day of 12th Sept mentioned:

> > Very interesting of the 9P.M on 12th Sept as I see lagna of mars was raising

in Aries at 15.52 degrees.Lagna lord Mars was in 3rd with moon.Exactly moon

crossed .20 degrees of saturn present in 9th from (rasi 4th) square to 6th

housearound 4.10 p..m Theft: " chora bhayam " must be felt by the aspect of saturn

on moon(10th).Possibly some servant must have taken it and was noticed by a

lady(?)

> > Any way ,Shri Tripathy Ji is no looser and gainer is his friend that

predicted recovery of umberella.

> > we have now a cover up(Chatram) for saturn joining his friend(Mercury) in

exaltation but in retrograde.in Kanya

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...>

> >

> > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:02:43 PM

> > Re: Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of

saturn transit

> >

> > Dear Mrithyunjay Tripati Ji,

> >

> > That is interesting. Can you elaborate ?

> >

> > Umbrella or Chatram is attributed to Rahu. How wonder how transit of saturn

should point to it. Or is it because of the black color of the umbrella

- Saturns color?

> >

> > or is there any other factor?

> >

> > regards

> > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > jyotish <astrologer_ mrutyunj ay >

> >

> > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 4:50:52 PM

> > Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn

transit

> >

> > Dear friend,

> >

> > Around 12th septemer 2009 around 9 PM I lost a black coloured umbrella

> >

> > which had been predicted in advance by one of my astrologer friend

> >

> > using Ganita based Panghangam

> >

> > simply based on Saturn's transit into virgo.

> >

> > Majority of people opine in favour of it.

> >

> > I have no experience of Vakya Panchangam.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Mrutyunjay Tripathy

> >

> > , " sankaranarayanan k.s "

<shankypriyan@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Gurujis,

> > >

> > > There are two panchangs used namely Vakya panchang and Thirukganida

panchang.

> > >

> > > The transitions of planets differ in these two panchang. For eg Saturn

transit was on 9.9.09 according to Ganida Panchang but Vakya panchang shows as

26th Sep 09. The temples including thirunallar celebrate on 26th only.

> > >

> > > What is the diff between these two panchangs. Horescopes are calaculated

based on which panchang?

> > >

> > > For a child born on say 15.9 will the saturn be in simha or kanya?

> > >

> > > Can you please guide us.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Sankar

> > >

September 25, 2009

sri ganeshaya namah

dear vattem ji,

you can google for djwhal khul ayaaamsa and you should get the necessary info.

this ayanamsa was however revealed to a buddhist monk while in meditation and he

gave it to the world.

i believe the proof of the pudding lies in eating , so please test this ayanamsa

and everything looks very crystal clear to me.

also , surya siddhanta dosent really mention any specific year or degree , so

one cannot simply wait for an ayanamsa that fits surya siddhanta logic.

the more we experiment with an unbiased mind,the better for phalita jyotisa.

humbly,

chandan s sabarwal.

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Shri Chandan Ji,

> Very useful information.can You give some link to understand about " djwhal

khul ayanamasa "

> How is this Ayanamsa gained importance and who is the proponent?Since how long

it's application is in prevalence.How does it match with Surya Siddhanta? for

planetary positions.

> what about Astronomical significances?How does the nodes represent as per this

ayanmsa.This information will be helpful to understand it's relevance.Yet it is

not clear how Almanacs/Known as Pnachngas in circulation on Gnaith and other

wise vakya are rlevant to the concept of Ayanamsa?Do you agree all panchangas

are basically ganitha based?

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

>

> --- On Fri, 9/25/09, chandan s sabarwal <wavelogix+jyotishremedies wrote:

>

> chandan s sabarwal <wavelogix+jyotishremedies

> Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn

transit

>

> Friday, September 25, 2009, 8:41 AM

>

> sri ganeshaya namah

>

> dear all,

>

> im using djwhal khul ayanamasa and it gives me saturns transit date to virgo

on 26th october.

>

> i have found this ayanamsa to be very useful and precise. also , we not must

forget that when lahiri ayanamsa was officially stamped as the only correct one

by the indian goverment, there were a total of 33 ayanamasa values in the

running !!

>

> this djwhal khul ayanamsa maps the sideral zodiac to begin with krittika

nakshtra , since krittika nakshtra is the face of the kalapurusha and thus the

first nakshatra.

>

> even maharishi parasara in bphs mentions vimshottari dasha periods starting

from krittika and not any other nakshatra , just implying that the nakshatra

indeed begin from krittika.

>

> everyone may try this ayanamsa and share your views . just dont be surprised

if grahas appear in a different rashi as grahas close to the rashi borders will

just have moved a rashi prior.

>

> humbly,

> chandan s sabarwal.

> , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@

....> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Prashant ji,

> >

> > //u will find sani Payarchi in many still 4 months later I mean sani in

Kanya for vakya can be from sept 26 to 4 months later .all u need a brand name

for ur panchanga sell it by the tree's name.//

> >

> > Upto 4 months means a difference of almost 10deg.

> >

> > What could be the basis of this computation in your opinion?.

> >

> > regards

> > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > astro <gbp_kumar@ ..>

> >

> > Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:29:51 PM

> > Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn

transit

> >

> > Dear Krishna ji

> >

> > well I am surfe u r aware of the great panchage reforms commitee's delima

and had to deal with 33 panchangs or ayanamsa so the Lahiris who headed the

comitter finally thrust his own on the nation to havea uniform one for holidays

to central, state govt for festivals

> >

> > and in the comitte the Vakya lobby is known th vae had the max raccus, noise

levels

> > and they still follow it in TN the Pambu panchangam is one and itself has

diff varities from diff districts/temples of TN

> > say kanchi follows rashtriya, sriranga,,, Madurai vetc have their own shades

of it

> > and in TN vakya prevails over Ganitha

> >

> > u will find sani Payarchi in many still 4 months later I mean sani in Kanya

for vakya can be from sept 26 to 4 months later

> > all u need a brand name for ur panchanga sell it by the tree's name.

> >

> > prashant

> >

> > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > > The Panchnaga discussion was also in the group some time back.Most of the

populat panchang published in vernacular languages are Ganida panchang

only.Vakya Panchang is of academic significance. In Benares(Gurukul

Kangdi) there is a core group that studies astrnomical features and involves in

Vakya panchang serving for academic purpose.it's usage however is limited.for

today application however it is ganita Panchang as they are avilable in shops

commercially.

> > > Even Rashtriya Sanskrit Vidya Peeth in New Delhi too publishes every year

Ganitha Panchang.Most of the panchang are now synchronised and agree with Shri

Lahari's Ephemeris.

> > > Now about Loss of Chatram and the rainy day of 12th Sept mentioned:

> > > Very interesting of the 9P.M on 12th Sept as I see lagna of mars was

raising in Aries at 15.52 degrees.Lagna lord Mars was in 3rd with moon.Exactly

moon crossed .20 degrees of saturn present in 9th from (rasi 4th) square to 6th

housearound 4.10 p..m Theft: " chora bhayam " must be felt by the aspect of saturn

on moon(10th).Possibly some servant must have taken it and was noticed by a

lady(?)

> > > Any way ,Shri Tripathy Ji is no looser and gainer is his friend that

predicted recovery of umberella.

> > > we have now a cover up(Chatram) for saturn joining his friend(Mercury) in

exaltation but in retrograde.in Kanya

> > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > (For all counseling services)

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...>

> > >

> > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:02:43 PM

> > > Re: Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of

saturn transit

> > >

> > > Dear Mrithyunjay Tripati Ji,

> > >

> > > That is interesting. Can you elaborate ?

> > >

> > > Umbrella or Chatram is attributed to Rahu. How wonder how transit of

saturn should point to it. Or is it because of the black color of the umbrella

- Saturns color?

> > >

> > > or is there any other factor?

> > >

> > > regards

> > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > jyotish <astrologer_ mrutyunj ay >

> > >

> > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 4:50:52 PM

> > > Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn

transit

> > >

> > > Dear friend,

> > >

> > > Around 12th septemer 2009 around 9 PM I lost a black coloured umbrella

> > >

> > > which had been predicted in advance by one of my astrologer friend

> > >

> > > using Ganita based Panghangam

> > >

> > > simply based on Saturn's transit into virgo.

> > >

> > > Majority of people opine in favour of it.

> > >

> > > I have no experience of Vakya Panchangam.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy

> > >

> > > , " sankaranarayanan k.s "

<shankypriyan@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Gurujis,

> > > >

> > > > There are two panchangs used namely Vakya panchang and Thirukganida

panchang.

> > > >

> > > > The transitions of planets differ in these two panchang. For eg Saturn

transit was on 9.9.09 according to Ganida Panchang but Vakya panchang shows as

26th Sep 09. The temples including thirunallar celebrate on 26th only.

> > > >

> > > > What is the diff between these two panchangs. Horescopes are calaculated

based on which panchang?

> > > >

> > > > For a child born on say 15.9 will the saturn be in simha or kanya?

> > > >

> > > > Can you please guide us.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > > Sankar

> > > >

September 26, 2009

Dear Prashant ji,

Thank you for shedding more light on vakya panchanga. I have not gone deeply

into the computation on such methods. But considering the fact that they are

taking retrogration of planets means, they should be using the simplest method

of progression. Further I don't think, such factors such as Saturn's & jupiters

purterbations, being farthest from earth are also considered.

In fact normal temple rituals require only Sun & moon to be computed even for

eclipses. They require only nakshatra, tithy, sankranti, chandra masa, grahana

etc all based on Sun & Moon. Only few temples consider the Jupiter's rotation of

12 years for certain rituals. This may also be reason the original propounders

did not think about the accuracy or factors like retrogration in their

panchangas.

This also brings another important point. If these panchangas do not consider

important and well illustrated motions like vakra, anuvakra,

sheegragati, mandagati, sthambha etc in sidhantas like surya sidhanta, How could

the astrologers accept it for horoscopes, where many classical illustrations are

given for their effects.

for example : look at the verse

" vakracharayutomandhaH karoti viphalaaM kriyaaM

udyogabhaMgaM duHkhaM cha sodaraaNaaM vinaashanam "

In the dasa of Saturn in RETROGRADE, work or efforts will not be

successfull. Break , destruction of efforts, job ; sorrow & destruction of ones

co-borns (brothers / sisters).

So how could the astrologers predict / understand the outcome of the dasa of

saturn when it shows as DIRECT while it may be actually Retrograde and the

native might be suffering or will suffer?

In old days due to lack of transportation, availability of learning material

like scriptures, restriction of one's movement, modifications / upgradation of

ones knowledge base was limited. Hence, it is understandable for the then people

be it temple priest or astrologers followed the old system as they knew it.

However, the times have changed and any one can obtain considerable no of

learning material without much effort. The only effort is the willingness to

change and adopt what is right.

Let the temples maintain the traditions and methods. In fact it is not right to

interfere in such matters. There are more factors than mere longitude of planets

involved in such matters. But astrologers surely could and should adopt the

changes.

regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

________________________________

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

Friday, September 25, 2009 12:00:29 AM

Re: Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn

transit

Dear suresh babu ji

well as said it is ego of the family tree that maintains or seels them, who have

lost the correction formulaes I feel else when we have such a solid one where

they cud still predict eclipses, Pushkarams or river melas with such good

precession these also some differed with giving times after it is over by 4 hrs

at least.

I found a case of a male born on 30/7/74 with sani in Vrishaba and the person

was arguing that it is so the family of astrologers r very well respeted for

over 30 yrs so what i said prove the same with any other Ephemiris drawn one or

any s/w worked one just one that will show it there

I said i have brother born inApr 20 74 and he has sani in Mithuna and showed to

him for months it ha sbeen in Mithuna itself he went on arguing for hrs, what

can we say we cant tell them 1+1 is 2

similarly one day the grand son of chakravarthi rajagopalachari [raja ji] called

me can u give me a vakya print out in s/w when i said why u need a s.w for it u

can plot it to ur pleasure he came all the way and arguded what do u know about

them, study vedas etc

VAKYAS HAS NO RETROGRESSION but our Jyotosh books have them

vakya has only direct motion

so when sani is back to simha and then back to kanya is the actual date most

VAKYA panchanga karthas use.

is what he toid to me

I am not averse to learning the vedas if some 1 can teach me, than me go to a

veda patasala away from home.

prashant

____________ _________ _________ __

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:58:25 PM

Re: Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn

transit

Dear Prashant ji,

//u will find sani Payarchi in many still 4 months later I mean sani in Kanya

for vakya can be from sept 26 to 4 months later .all u need a brand name for ur

panchanga sell it by the tree's name.//

Upto 4 months means a difference of almost 10deg.

What could be the basis of this computation in your opinion?.

regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

____________ _________ _________ __

astro <gbp_kumar >

Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:29:51 PM

Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn

transit

Dear Krishna ji

well I am surfe u r aware of the great panchage reforms commitee's delima and

had to deal with 33 panchangs or ayanamsa so the Lahiris who headed the comitter

finally thrust his own on the nation to havea uniform one for holidays to

central, state govt for festivals

and in the comitte the Vakya lobby is known th vae had the max raccus, noise

levels

and they still follow it in TN the Pambu panchangam is one and itself has diff

varities from diff districts/temples of TN

say kanchi follows rashtriya, sriranga,,, Madurai vetc have their own shades of

it

and in TN vakya prevails over Ganitha

u will find sani Payarchi in many still 4 months later I mean sani in Kanya for

vakya can be from sept 26 to 4 months later

all u need a brand name for ur panchanga sell it by the tree's name.

prashant

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

> The Panchnaga discussion was also in the group some time back.Most of the

populat panchang published in vernacular languages are Ganida panchang

only.Vakya Panchang is of academic significance. In Benares(Gurukul Kangdi)

there is a core group that studies astrnomical features and involves in Vakya

panchang serving for academic purpose.it's usage however is limited.for today

application however it is ganita Panchang as they are avilable in shops

commercially.

> Even Rashtriya Sanskrit Vidya Peeth in New Delhi too publishes every year

Ganitha Panchang.Most of the panchang are now synchronised and agree with Shri

Lahari's Ephemeris.

> Now about Loss of Chatram and the rainy day of 12th Sept mentioned:

> Very interesting of the 9P.M on 12th Sept as I see lagna of mars was raising

in Aries at 15.52 degrees.Lagna lord Mars was in 3rd with moon.Exactly moon

crossed .20 degrees of saturn present in 9th from (rasi 4th) square to 6th

housearound 4.10 p..m Theft: " chora bhayam " must be felt by the aspect of saturn

on moon(10th).Possibly some servant must have taken it and was noticed by a

lady(?)

> Any way ,Shri Tripathy Ji is no looser and gainer is his friend that predicted

recovery of umberella.

> we have now a cover up(Chatram) for saturn joining his friend(Mercury) in

exaltation but in retrograde.in Kanya

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...>

>

> Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:02:43 PM

> Re: Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn

transit

>

> Dear Mrithyunjay Tripati Ji,

>

> That is interesting. Can you elaborate ?

>

> Umbrella or Chatram is attributed to Rahu. How wonder how transit of saturn

should point to it. Or is it because of the black color of the umbrella -

Saturns color?

>

> or is there any other factor?

>

> regards

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> jyotish <astrologer_ mrutyunj ay >

>

> Wednesday, September 23, 2009 4:50:52 PM

> Re: a basic doubt on panchang with differing dates of saturn

transit

>

> Dear friend,

>

> Around 12th septemer 2009 around 9 PM I lost a black coloured umbrella

>

> which had been predicted in advance by one of my astrologer friend

>

> using Ganita based Panghangam

>

> simply based on Saturn's transit into virgo.

>

> Majority of people opine in favour of it.

>

> I have no experience of Vakya Panchangam.

>

> Regards,

>

> Mrutyunjay Tripathy

>

> , " sankaranarayanan k.s "

<shankypriyan@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Gurujis,

> >

> > There are two panchangs used namely Vakya panchang and Thirukganida

panchang.

> >

> > The transitions of planets differ in these two panchang. For eg Saturn

transit was on 9.9.09 according to Ganida Panchang but Vakya panchang shows as

26th Sep 09. The temples including thirunallar celebrate on 26th only.

> >

> > What is the diff between these two panchangs. Horescopes are calaculated

based on which panchang?

> >

> > For a child born on say 15.9 will the saturn be in simha or kanya?

> >

> > Can you please guide us.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Sankar

> >

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