Swami Vivekananda's Chart - Dhanu vs Makar Lagna, A Corrective Study !!

[Guest guest]

Dear Lalit,

 

for academic interest in this have posted the same to the group, lets see what

we get from our asembly.

 

before I add moe than what i 've said already. u must look at V Subramanya

shastry's works on Phaladeepika, Jatka Parijata , Uttara Kalamrutha, which have

numerous examples discussed in them u will find people like ramana Maharishim

swami vivekananda, chandrashekara bharathi and many more celebrated swami's of

that era just because one has a aflicted 7th house NEED not be a reason to

flirt, or have affairs,

in such divine souls this means a lot of turning points in their lives due to

women

 

if for a family man a women can beget children and enhance his progeny

 

so too a celibate man's or a guru's wife she brings about a few disciples as

her children and also 7th can be a dual.contest like a kshatraya's combats,

duels. such spiritual persons it is in dharmic debates, public discourses, long

travels.

 

if u read the karakatwa of houses, planets in the above said classics u have

more than 55+ to each what little we know WE CAN'T DISSMISS VEDIC ASTROLOGY,

ASTROLOGERS AS RUBBISH and people who walked, preached, pinoneered the subject

ahead of us are far better human beings than anyone ONE OF US. we must trust,

respect their wisdom.

 

it is a primary requisite to abide bythe PATH shown by such dharmic souls.

 

prashant

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

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Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:34:05 AM

Swami Vivekananda's Chart - Dhanu vs Makar Lagna, A Corrective Study

!!

 

 

Swami Vivekananda's Charft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!

 

 

As a symbol of respect to great mother of Narendra Nath Datt, whose horoscope we

are going to analyse in this article, I remember the great loving mother of

Swami Ji.

 

Bhuvaneshwari Devi (1841-1911).

" I am indebted to my mother for the efflorescence of my knowledge. " Vivekananda

 

Swami Vivekananda was born in Shimla Pally, Calcutta at 6:33 a.m on Monday, 12

January 1863, during the eve of Makra Sankranti, He was given the name

Narendranath Datta.His father Vishwanath Datta was an attorney of Calcutta High

Court. He was considered generous, and had a liberal and progressive outlook in

social and religious matters.His mother Bhuvaneshwari Devi was pious and had

practiced austerities and prayed to Vireshwar Shivaof Varanasito give her a son.

If u make a chart with above timings applying Lahiri Ayanamsa you get Makar

lagna with 1.57 to 1.59 degrees, I made swami ji's chart using several softwares

and found Makar Lagna.

Let's check the validity of Dhanur lagna chart with Swami ji's life, work and

family back ground :

1. Father's Generosity and Extravaganza : Father was an attorney, spent all his

savings and even immovable prperty in his life time, He died young in age of

48, with Dhanur lagna chart you get Sun, the 9'th lord is in placed in lagna,

can such a superb Sun in lagna cause a father's early death, a death that leaved

entire family in a deprived state, a state of ultimate poverty, when day to day

meals was difficult to manage ? this is a challenge and an open question to

those Indian Vedic Astrologers who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? Can any

astrology principle supports Swami ji's father's death and extravaganza ???

Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get Sun in 12'th house in Dhanu, which shows

an eminent father and his extravaganza as well as his early death.

2. Mother's Influence and persona : With Dhanu lagna chart you get Saturn and

Moon in 10'th house and 4'th lord Jup in 11'th house, which is 8'th from 4'th

house of mother, No vedic astrology classic supports this placement for such a

superb mother with a strong persona and a lasting influence on child, needless

to say Saturn’s aspects on 4'th house even though Saturn is conjunct with

Moon.

Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get 4'th lord mars placed in 4'th house

itself, which receives Jup's aspect from 10'th house, this clearly signifies the

superb qualities of swami ji's mother.

3. Sibling's death : Swami ji's sister died in a bad financial condition, with

Dhanu lagna chart, there is no affliction to 3rd house whereas with Makar Lagna

chart, you find Saturn conjunct moon in 9'th house, Saturn's aspect on 3rd and

11'th houses, clearly states death of siblings, and Moon's conjunction to Saturn

in 9'th is always a reason for sister's death. In my chart, moon is placed in

9'th house, aspected by Saturn from 3rd house, my one of sisters died within few

months of her birth, There is a shloka in Shambhu Hora Prakash saying if Moon in

9’th aspected by Saturn there will be sister’s death, Dhanu lagna chart

shows inadequate study of basics given various astro classics.

4. Education : With Dhanu lagna chart, you get Mars as 5'th lord in 5'th house,

which receives Jup's aspect from 11'th house, Mars in 5'th house what sort of

education gives, ask yourself, Swamiji should have been technical education, at

least mathematics as a subject, in a clear contrast to this, Swami Ji graduated

in Arts, he was a BA, he studied - " History, the social sciences, arts,

literature, and other subjects. He was also well versed in classical music,

both vocal and instrumental and is said to have undergone training under two

ustads, Beni Gupta and Ahamad Khan.

Mars in 5’th can never give education and learning of music, How Indian Vedic

Astrologer justified Swami Ji’s education is a matter of discovery.

With Makar lagna chart, You get, Venus the 5'th and 10'th lord’s conjunction

with 9'th lord merc in lagna, this has given him education of literature, arts

and music.

5. Sports and Sickness : With Dhanu lagna, you get no supportive influence for

his love for sports on 4'th, 5'th and 6'th houses, but with Makar lagna chart,

you get a vargottama lagna and 3rd lord in 10'th house and from 10’th house

it’s aspecting 4'th and 6'th house, moreover, 6'th lord is moved to Lagna,

this is well known configuration for one to be good in sports and yoga. It has

another aspect also, 6'th lord though makes one interested in physical exercises

and yoga but it gives illness too, further, Saturn from 9'th house aspects 6'th

house, clearly indicating, long bout of sickness.

6. Spirituality and Poorva Punya : It's seen by his guru Thakur Ramakrishna

Paramhansha that Swami Ji is, infact, a Shapt Rishi ( One of great 7 sages of

Indian Spiritual Mythology) with Dhanu lagna chart, there is no connection

between 5'th and 9'th houses and their lord, rather, in Dhanu Lagna chart, you

get great temptation and binding to materialistic achievements as Jup is in

11'th house is infamous for insatiable lust for materialistic gains.

With Makar Lagna chart, you get, 5'th lord Venus and 9'th lord Merc in lagna

itself, which is a rarest of the rare configuration, furthermore, Venus is 10'th

lord also, 10'th lord's placement in lagna makes one a Karma Yogi, Count more,

in Makar lagna chart, Lagna lord Saturn is gone to 9'th house of religion and

Guru's blessings, There it get's conjunction of Moon to make it an exceptional

spiritual chart. Mind it, 8'th house and 8'th lord has no significant role in

spiritual achievements, It's limited to take one into maya of mysticism whereas

in spirituality you need to overcome maya.

And above all, with Makar lagna chart, you get ketu in 5'th house, making swami

ji a siddha mantra sadhaka with Mars in 4’th leading him to kundalini

awakening and also giving him qualities to think deep and look within before

making an expression. Jup’s aspect on 2nd gave him both VakShuddhi and

VakSiddhi.

7. World Tour and Lectures : This has happened in Jup's period, in Makar lagna,

Jup is 3rd and 12'th lord, placed in 10'th house of karma, because of Jup’s

3rd house’s lordship, he became greatest orator of modern times and because of

12'th house lordship, he went on world tour to spread true vedic spirituality in

the form of Vedanta.

With Dhanu lagna chart, astrology finds no connection with such a world tour and

lectures.

8. Guru's death : With Makar lagna chart, It was Rahu's dasa and Rahu’s

transit on his 9’th house, when Guru Ramkrishna died, his father's death also

happened in Rahu's period .

9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy : With Dhanu Lagna chart, You get a clear combination

for multiple marriages, Swami ji's dhanu lagna chart is mockery of Vedic

astrology and Swami Ji's life. In Dhanu lagna chart, You get 7'th and 10'th lord

mercury is gone to 2nd house, this gives relationship with multiple women,

morever, this Merc is conjunct with Venus, the 11'th lord of desires (Kamana).

How astrologers could see celibacy and ignore presence of polygamy in Swami Ji's

Dhanu Lagna chart is a question mark in astrologer’s ability to read and

understand a chart.

Now, let's have a serious look at Makar lagna chart, Mars the 4'th lord, aspects

7'th house, and 7'th lord moon conjuncts Saturn which is lagna lord and this

combination occurs in 9'th house, It has made him a son of divine mother Kali.

10. Business Empire Vs Renunciation : Can you answer, when you find 11'th and

10'th lord in 2nd house, what you understand, It’s a combination found in rich

business man’s chart.

With Dhanu Lagna chart, Swami ji get's 7'th and 10'th lord Merc conjunct with

11'th lord Venus, this combination makes him a business man, a trader, Further

to that, Jup is in libra (tula) which is lagna and 4'th lord, placed in 11'th

house, So, should he be not a business emperor like Bill Gates, isn't it, This

underlines a big n vivid question mark in abilities of those astrologers who

declare Swami ji was born with dhanu lagna. Hardly, there is any considerable

combination present making Swami Vivekananda a saint, Have you ever seen a

person with Rahu in 12'th becomes a sage, where is renunciation present in

dhanu lagna chart.

Now, Look at Makar Lagna chart, the Ketu in 5'th and Mars in 4'th forming

Ruchaka Mahapurush Yoga, Ketu as well as Mars are required to ignite the divine

serpent fire of Kundalini with the blessing of a great Guru Swami Ji could

ignite his Kundalini, It’s noteworthy that Jup aspect this mars from 10'th

house and has 12'th lordship also, Next comes, Lagna and 9'th lord's interchange

in 9'th and lagna.

I trust, it's eye opening to one and all.

regards and best wishes !!

Regards,

Lalit Mishra

Cell : 09871818901

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Prashant ji,

 

It seems that this was personal message addressed to you.

 

As we have seen from numerous occasions in the past, it is actually childish to

dwell into such matters without knowing a person fully, his hidden traits etc

which never comes to the public domain who ever he might be.

 

Having said that,

 

In the posting of Lalit Misra there are two fundamental mistakes or ommisions

 

1) Time given : In those times time is given in LMT and we don't know about the

standard used

 

2) " on the eve of makara sankradi " . This is a mistake. The person seems to

realise that sankranthi with lahiri ayanamsa happens only at about 7:35PM which

means sankranti is considered only the next day.

 

At least this the practice held in kerala. The transit to next sign marks the

solar fist day of makara only on the next day of the sun does not transit before

madhyana.

 

The traditional one day is from Sun rise to sun rise next morning. On this basis

of this argument, I am sure whether it is considered sankranti day in bengal in

those times.

 

we may have to study the benagali panchang popular in those times.

 

if we consider the first method moon is in thula next day morning

 

So you can see that there is no point in going further without varifying these

facts.

 

so let him provide valid & authentic proof about these factors.

 

Further about the death of father at early stage being the 9th lord:

 

He seems to have no idea about elementry astrology regarding rasi sandhi.

 

regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

wrote:

>

>

>

> Dear Lalit,

>

> for academic interest in this have posted the same to the group, lets see what

we get from our asembly.

>

> before I add moe than what i 've said already. u must look at V Subramanya

shastry's works on Phaladeepika, Jatka Parijata , Uttara Kalamrutha, which have

numerous examples discussed in them u will find people like ramana Maharishim

swami vivekananda, chandrashekara bharathi and many more celebrated swami's of

that era just because one has a aflicted 7th house NEED not be a reason to

flirt, or have affairs,

> in such divine souls this means a lot of turning points in their lives due to

women

>

> if for a family man a women can beget children and enhance his progeny

>

> so too a celibate man's or a guru's wife she brings about a few disciples

as her children and also 7th can be a dual.contest like a kshatraya's combats,

duels. such spiritual persons it is in dharmic debates, public discourses, long

travels.

>

> if u read the karakatwa of houses, planets in the above said classics u have

more than 55+ to each what little we know WE CAN'T DISSMISS VEDIC ASTROLOGY,

ASTROLOGERS AS RUBBISH and people who walked, preached, pinoneered the subject

ahead of us are far better human beings than anyone ONE OF US. we must trust,

respect their wisdom.

>

> it is a primary requisite to abide bythe PATH shown by such dharmic souls.

>

> prashant

>

________________________________

> Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit

> Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr108; Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr;

deepakbisaria; aavesh t <aavesh_s; MK Viswanath

<astrologervishy_nair; ashwini kumaras <ashwinikumaras; kn_rao;

knrastro; nalini swamy <nalini2818; Nandana astro <nandanaastro;

bursar_99; Geeta Bhayana <astro.geeta; Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar; jyotish_vani; neelamgupta07; rk dash <arkaydash;

arnab_ten; Hasmukhrai J Mehta <astroclinic; astromahaluxmi;

Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar; chaturvedisaurabh2002;

rkbaqaya; Raja Gursahani <rajagursahani; Raj Upadhrasta

<suryanayaka; Rakesh Patel <adrockz

> Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:34:05 AM

> Swami Vivekananda's Chart - Dhanu vs Makar Lagna, A Corrective Study

!!

>

>

> Swami Vivekananda's Charft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others

!!

>

>

> As a symbol of respect to great mother of Narendra Nath Datt, whose horoscope

we are going to analyse in this article, I remember the great loving mother of

Swami Ji.

>

> Bhuvaneshwari Devi (1841-1911).

> " I am indebted to my mother for the efflorescence of my knowledge. " Vivekananda

>

> Swami Vivekananda was born in Shimla Pally, Calcutta at 6:33 a.m on Monday, 12

January 1863, during the eve of Makra Sankranti, He was given the name

Narendranath Datta.His father Vishwanath Datta was an attorney of Calcutta High

Court. He was considered generous, and had a liberal and progressive outlook in

social and religious matters.His mother Bhuvaneshwari Devi was pious and had

practiced austerities and prayed to Vireshwar Shivaof Varanasito give her a son.

> If u make a chart with above timings applying Lahiri Ayanamsa you get Makar

lagna with 1.57 to 1.59 degrees, I made swami ji's chart using several softwares

and found Makar Lagna.

> Let's check the validity of Dhanur lagna chart with Swami ji's life, work and

family back ground :

> 1. Father's Generosity and Extravaganza : Father was an attorney, spent all

his savings and even immovable prperty in his life time, He died young in age

of 48, with Dhanur lagna chart you get Sun, the 9'th lord is in placed in lagna,

can such a superb Sun in lagna cause a father's early death, a death that leaved

entire family in a deprived state, a state of ultimate poverty, when day to day

meals was difficult to manage ? this is a challenge and an open question to

those Indian Vedic Astrologers who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? Can any

astrology principle supports Swami ji's father's death and extravaganza ???

> Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get Sun in 12'th house in Dhanu, which shows

an eminent father and his extravaganza as well as his early death.

> 2. Mother's Influence and persona : With Dhanu lagna chart you get Saturn and

Moon in 10'th house and 4'th lord Jup in 11'th house, which is 8'th from 4'th

house of mother, No vedic astrology classic supports this placement for such a

superb mother with a strong persona and a lasting influence on child, needless

to say Saturn’s aspects on 4'th house even though Saturn is conjunct with

Moon.

> Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get 4'th lord mars placed in 4'th house

itself, which receives Jup's aspect from 10'th house, this clearly signifies the

superb qualities of swami ji's mother.

> 3. Sibling's death : Swami ji's sister died in a bad financial condition,

with Dhanu lagna chart, there is no affliction to 3rd house whereas with Makar

Lagna chart, you find Saturn conjunct moon in 9'th house, Saturn's aspect on 3rd

and 11'th houses, clearly states death of siblings, and Moon's conjunction to

Saturn in 9'th is always a reason for sister's death. In my chart, moon is

placed in 9'th house, aspected by Saturn from 3rd house, my one of sisters died

within few months of her birth, There is a shloka in Shambhu Hora Prakash saying

if Moon in 9’th aspected by Saturn there will be sister’s death, Dhanu

lagna chart shows inadequate study of basics given various astro classics.

> 4. Education : With Dhanu lagna chart, you get Mars as 5'th lord in 5'th

house, which receives Jup's aspect from 11'th house, Mars in 5'th house what

sort of education gives, ask yourself, Swamiji should have been technical

education, at least mathematics as a subject, in a clear contrast to this, Swami

Ji graduated in Arts, he was a BA, he studied - " History, the social sciences,

arts, literature, and other subjects. He was also well versed in classical

music, both vocal and instrumental and is said to have undergone training under

two ustads, Beni Gupta and Ahamad Khan.

> Mars in 5’th can never give education and learning of music, How Indian

Vedic Astrologer justified Swami Ji’s education is a matter of discovery.

> With Makar lagna chart, You get, Venus the 5'th and 10'th lord’s conjunction

with 9'th lord merc in lagna, this has given him education of literature, arts

and music.

> 5. Sports and Sickness : With Dhanu lagna, you get no supportive influence for

his love for sports on 4'th, 5'th and 6'th houses, but with Makar lagna chart,

you get a vargottama lagna and 3rd lord in 10'th house and from 10’th house

it’s aspecting 4'th and 6'th house, moreover, 6'th lord is moved to Lagna,

this is well known configuration for one to be good in sports and yoga. It has

another aspect also, 6'th lord though makes one interested in physical exercises

and yoga but it gives illness too, further, Saturn from 9'th house aspects 6'th

house, clearly indicating, long bout of sickness.

> 6. Spirituality and Poorva Punya : It's seen by his guru Thakur Ramakrishna

Paramhansha that Swami Ji is, infact, a Shapt Rishi ( One of great 7 sages of

Indian Spiritual Mythology) with Dhanu lagna chart, there is no connection

between 5'th and 9'th houses and their lord, rather, in Dhanu Lagna chart, you

get great temptation and binding to materialistic achievements as Jup is in

11'th house is infamous for insatiable lust for materialistic gains.

> With Makar Lagna chart, you get, 5'th lord Venus and 9'th lord Merc in lagna

itself, which is a rarest of the rare configuration, furthermore, Venus is 10'th

lord also, 10'th lord's placement in lagna makes one a Karma Yogi, Count more,

in Makar lagna chart, Lagna lord Saturn is gone to 9'th house of religion and

Guru's blessings, There it get's conjunction of Moon to make it an exceptional

spiritual chart. Mind it, 8'th house and 8'th lord has no significant role in

spiritual achievements, It's limited to take one into maya of mysticism whereas

in spirituality you need to overcome maya.

> And above all, with Makar lagna chart, you get ketu in 5'th house, making

swami ji a siddha mantra sadhaka with Mars in 4’th leading him to kundalini

awakening and also giving him qualities to think deep and look within before

making an expression. Jup’s aspect on 2nd gave him both VakShuddhi and

VakSiddhi.

> 7. World Tour and Lectures : This has happened in Jup's period, in Makar

lagna, Jup is 3rd and 12'th lord, placed in 10'th house of karma, because of

Jup’s 3rd house’s lordship, he became greatest orator of modern times and

because of 12'th house lordship, he went on world tour to spread true vedic

spirituality in the form of Vedanta.

> With Dhanu lagna chart, astrology finds no connection with such a world tour

and lectures.

> 8. Guru's death : With Makar lagna chart, It was Rahu's dasa and Rahu’s

transit on his 9’th house, when Guru Ramkrishna died, his father's death also

happened in Rahu's period .

> 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy : With Dhanu Lagna chart, You get a clear

combination for multiple marriages, Swami ji's dhanu lagna chart is mockery of

Vedic astrology and Swami Ji's life. In Dhanu lagna chart, You get 7'th and

10'th lord mercury is gone to 2nd house, this gives relationship with multiple

women, morever, this Merc is conjunct with Venus, the 11'th lord of desires

(Kamana). How astrologers could see celibacy and ignore presence of polygamy in

Swami Ji's Dhanu Lagna chart is a question mark in astrologer’s ability to

read and understand a chart.

> Now, let's have a serious look at Makar lagna chart, Mars the 4'th lord,

aspects 7'th house, and 7'th lord moon conjuncts Saturn which is lagna lord and

this combination occurs in 9'th house, It has made him a son of divine mother

Kali.

> 10. Business Empire Vs Renunciation : Can you answer, when you find 11'th

and 10'th lord in 2nd house, what you understand, It’s a combination found in

rich business man’s chart.

> With Dhanu Lagna chart, Swami ji get's 7'th and 10'th lord Merc conjunct with

11'th lord Venus, this combination makes him a business man, a trader, Further

to that, Jup is in libra (tula) which is lagna and 4'th lord, placed in 11'th

house, So, should he be not a business emperor like Bill Gates, isn't it, This

underlines a big n vivid question mark in abilities of those astrologers who

declare Swami ji was born with dhanu lagna. Hardly, there is any considerable

combination present making Swami Vivekananda a saint, Have you ever seen a

person with Rahu in 12'th becomes a sage, where is renunciation present in

dhanu lagna chart.

> Now, Look at Makar Lagna chart, the Ketu in 5'th and Mars in 4'th forming

Ruchaka Mahapurush Yoga, Ketu as well as Mars are required to ignite the divine

serpent fire of Kundalini with the blessing of a great Guru Swami Ji could

ignite his Kundalini, It’s noteworthy that Jup aspect this mars from 10'th

house and has 12'th lordship also, Next comes, Lagna and 9'th lord's interchange

in 9'th and lagna.

> I trust, it's eye opening to one and all.

> regards and best wishes !!

> Regards,

> Lalit Mishra

> Cell : 09871818901

>

>

>

>

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