Guest guest Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 Dear Kotak Ji Jaya Siyaa Raam Thanks for such a long mail. I am 101% believer of Karm theory or Bhaagya theory - that whatever is written in our fate it will happen, and it will happen in the same way as it has been written. My this view has been supported by many astrologers (may be notdirectly but indirectly), many stories written in Puraan, Raamaayan and Mahaabhaarat and Upadesh written in MBH - like if you read a few chapters of Dhritraashtra and Vidur dialog after Vyaas Jee gave Divine sight to Sanjaya and before Dhritraashtra hears the news of Bheeshm's fall in the battlefield. Vidur Jee says - It is correct that labor (means Karm or efforts) and Bhaagya or Destiny go together, but still in the end one does not get the desired thing unless it is written in his Destiny, however much he makes efforts for it. So, in a nutshell, if Poojya Shree Avadhoot Jee told you that " time will come in yr life - when u will acquire what u wish " it means hat he really read your Destiny. Always remember Amitabh Bachchan's dialog in Mukaddar ka Sikandar " Samaya se pahale or Bhaagya se zyaadaa kisee ko naheen milataa " Perhaps my time is not ripe for my spiritual development, otherwise I would have got guidance automatically without doing any effort. Maybe my past bad karm are so many that by doing this Poojaa I am only burning those Karm's effects only - earning Punya will be later. Thanks for offering me help With regards Sushma , pdk kotak <ganeshji101 wrote: > > London > 30.09.2009 > 23.00pm > > Respected Shri Sushma ji, > > Now u are going on theory of Karma - although I do have a faith > on Karma theory, that is the reason why in my last two line > of email dated 27-09-2009. > > I have mentioned it depends on the Chart or Horoscope of a > person to find out why {?] > > But please note, although it is difficult for me explain number of > things which has happened in my life. > > Number of stories are there that person should have guru [siddha > person] but some times to find a TRUE person it not easy. in present > material world. > > As I said earlier Pujay shri Avdhutji - when I was hardly eight told me > explain me that time will come in yr life - when u will acquire what u > wish - > > Start prayers to Lord Ganesh ji - who is remover of obstacles - > who has guided me all the time - > > Prayers to Ganeshji can be done in very simple way or u can do > " shabari Vidya " method - where by shri Ganesh ji has to come > to u, without failure and help, to reach the goal. > > Apart from that I do not know how to explain [as i do not remember > the name of the book now - as some one who had borrowed long time > ago - never came back] > > Where there was a description of each and every vein of our body > and how to bring that into CHETAN POSITION [ Awake the energy > within our selves] > > Any how I have said enough - > > Although u have mentioned in another email that u get up early in > the morning, bath and than pray etc., > > First of all what is your AIM - Are u seeking MOKHSHA or > what - every seeker [sHADHAK] has to a goal. > > First Step is Faith - 2nd Ask for forgiveness of past karma - > and than must do Purushcharan of Mantra Japa - how many ? > That u must find out which Devi or Devta any person worships - > > Any how u are quite knowledgeable for all this - I do not think > I have to say any thing further - but still if u have any question > please feel free to ask. > > I will do my best to answer -Hari bol pdk. > > > --- On Mon, 28/9/09, Sushma <bhagvatjee wrote: > > > Sushma <bhagvatjee > Re: Mahamrityunjaya mantra - Sri Vattem Krishnan / Sushma ji > > Monday, 28 September, 2009, 2:22 PM > > > > > > > Dear Kotak Ji > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > Thanks for replying me. In fact I have still not understood the science (recitation, implementation, implications etc) of Mantra properly. You must be aware of the story of Ajaamil where he just called Naaraayan - his son, and Dev Doot saved his life from Yam Doot. You must be aware of that Shiv story also where the man climbed up a tree of Bel fearing a lion and stayed there the whole night. He threw the leaves plucking on the Shiv Ling which was not even above the ground and how he got Mukti... In fact there are several stories are like that in Puraan. Why did they deserve for those statuses? > > On the other side when people pray with lots of Lagan and Bhakti, still they are not rewarded. > > All these things show that the Karm Phal is the highest above all. I think their Kalyaan was written in that way only, they did not do any effort and they were helped by God in that way; while many people make > lots of efforts still don't get any results - it all indicates the Theory of Karm, or Bhaagya or destiny. > > So it is not specic Mantra, not Mantra pronunciation, not Bhakti, not the number of recitation, not the rituals observed whilereciting it, nothing else too, it is only Bhaagya which takes you from anywhere to anywhere. That is my conclusion. What do you think? > > Anyway, thanks for repling > With regards > Sushma > > , pdk kotak <ganeshji101@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > London 27.09.2009 > > 10.41a.m. > > > > Respected shri Sushmaji, > > > > I uderstand yr question pretty well - although it is deep subject - > > some times it is hard to explain in short - > > > > > 1. It must affecct ? Answer to yr para one is YES > > > > 2. ? problem is that if a person who is pure in heart - like Yudhishtier > > of Maharbharat - no matter what bad intention he may have but because of > > his Karma - he can not harm the others as his soul is diverted in different > > direction at the same time - > > Spirit who is lokking after a person never allows bad thing to happpened - > > > > Now take the exaple of Rishi Valmiki - he was a hunter of Robberer- > > but when he was asked to chant RA MA - story is that he started > > chanting ma ra ma ra in fact is becomes Ra Ma Again chanted in reverse. > > > > > > Your last question - > > > > First what is the pupose of some one chanting i.e. what HE / SHE WANTS. > > > > than he has to > choose whom to pray and get the proper Mantra for that > > as there are several different type of SADHANA - AS EVERY ONE IS SADHAK. > > AGAIN THERE ARE NUMBER OF MAHA VIDYA - > > > > THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT SIDE OF IT > > > > Left [WAM MARGI] > > Right [ Satvik marg ] > > > > person in Satvik marg can never do any harm what so ever > > > > While Wam marg [leftiest] which is known a s TANTRIC [bLACK MAGIC] > > > > Please forgive me for being bit short but it can years to explain in very very > > details - > > > > Apart from that Main point depends on The Chart of person does his/her > > Star favours him to become a sadhak - it is not easy any how > > > > Hari bol pdk > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 26/9/09, Sushma <bhagvatjee@ ...> > wrote: > > > > > > Sushma <bhagvatjee@ ...> > > Re: Mahamrityunjaya mantra - Sri Vattem Krishnan / Sushma ji > > > > Saturday, 26 September, 2009, 5:42 PM > > > > Dear PDK Kotak Ji > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > > I got a lot of relief after reading your mail. I think, I may be wrong, that any Mantra is a group of sounds arranged in a specific series, which when pronounced in that way, gives the effect which it should give. That is why I think that even if you don't understand the meaning, but if you pronounce the Mantra correctly, it must affect. > > > > But then, there are several stories in Puraan where the people did something good actions even with bad > intentions or unknowingly, or forcefully, still they got good results of that good action (though it was done with bad intention). > > > > But I read one story when the Mantra affected with wrong pronounciation also. It meanr that even the correct pronunciation is also necessary. > > > > Both these situations show that there is something else which works to get good effect. The question is " What is that which is necessary for that good result? " - I am looking for the same. > > > > With due regards > > Sushma > > > > , pdk kotak <ganeshji101@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Respected young lady Shri Sushma ji, > > > > > > my personal experience of Mantra is such that it is quite clear > > > that VIBRATION HAS A STRENGTH - it does benefit - > > > > > > Not only that but I had recent wonderful > experience, which is > > > bit difficult for me to describe - when I was on an operation table > > > in Hospital - plus since the morning of operation so many think > > > hapended - beyond imegination perhapes people may call me > > > Crazy or mad - > > > > > > which I am not - just 78 years old and Mantra Sadhana is in > > > my life since I was eight years old. > > > > > > There are number of incident in my life - when I have been saved > > > > > > so U have a GURU OR SIDDH PERSON or not but from the > > > spirit world they do come and guide u - > > > > > > this is my personal experience - hari bol pdk > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 Respected shri Sushma ji, many thanks for reply, but do not be disheartened - there are number of stories of past - but similarly I have come across ONE VERY OLD PATHAN FROM PESHAWAR - His wording were clear BETA TU KAR APANE KO ETANA BULAND TA KE KHUDA BE TARE KO AAKE PUCHE KE TERI RAZA KAYA HE In another words try to choose yr path and be a very good SEEKER - What ever u want can be achieved - reason that u have desire - why u have a desire .. Hence it is yr destiny that is the reason why u are searching - keep on searching u will achieve - yr desire will be fulfilled. Have a faith it is like Carry on Sargent. Any how please feel free to ask any question whenever u desire - I will do my best Hari bol pdk --- On Fri, 2/10/09, Sushma <bhagvatjee wrote: Sushma <bhagvatjee Re: Mahamrityunjaya mantra - Sushma ji Friday, 2 October, 2009, 5:36 PM Dear Kotak Ji Jaya Siyaa Raam Thanks for such a long mail. I am 101% believer of Karm theory or Bhaagya theory - that whatever is written in our fate it will happen, and it will happen in the same way as it has been written. My this view has been supported by many astrologers (may be notdirectly but indirectly), many stories written in Puraan, Raamaayan and Mahaabhaarat and Upadesh written in MBH - like if you read a few chapters of Dhritraashtra and Vidur dialog after Vyaas Jee gave Divine sight to Sanjaya and before Dhritraashtra hears the news of Bheeshm's fall in the battlefield. Vidur Jee says - It is correct that labor (means Karm or efforts) and Bhaagya or Destiny go together, but still in the end one does not get the desired thing unless it is written in his Destiny, however much he makes efforts for it. So, in a nutshell, if Poojya Shree Avadhoot Jee told you that " time will come in yr life - when u will acquire what u wish " it means hat he really read your Destiny. Always remember Amitabh Bachchan's dialog in Mukaddar ka Sikandar " Samaya se pahale or Bhaagya se zyaadaa kisee ko naheen milataa " Perhaps my time is not ripe for my spiritual development, otherwise I would have got guidance automatically without doing any effort. Maybe my past bad karm are so many that by doing this Poojaa I am only burning those Karm's effects only - earning Punya will be later. Thanks for offering me help With regards Sushma , pdk kotak <ganeshji101@ ...> wrote: > > London > 30.09.2009 > 23.00pm > > Respected Shri Sushma ji, > > Now u are going on theory of Karma - although I do have a faith > on Karma theory, that is the reason why in my last two line > of email dated 27-09-2009. > > I have mentioned it depends on the Chart or Horoscope of a > person to find out why {?] > > But please note, although it is difficult for me explain number of > things which has happened in my life. > > Number of stories are there that person should have guru [siddha > person] but some times to find a TRUE person it not easy. in present > material world. > > As I said earlier Pujay shri Avdhutji - when I was hardly eight told me > explain me that time will come in yr life - when u will acquire what u > wish - > > Start prayers to Lord Ganesh ji - who is remover of obstacles - > who has guided me all the time - > > Prayers to Ganeshji can be done in very simple way or u can do > " shabari Vidya " method - where by shri Ganesh ji has to come > to u, without failure and help, to reach the goal. > > Apart from that I do not know how to explain [as i do not remember > the name of the book now - as some one who had borrowed long time > ago - never came back] > > Where there was a description of each and every vein of our body > and how to bring that into CHETAN POSITION [ Awake the energy > within our selves] > > Any how I have said enough - > > Although u have mentioned in another email that u get up early in > the morning, bath and than pray etc., > > First of all what is your AIM - Are u seeking MOKHSHA or > what - every seeker [sHADHAK] has to a goal. > > First Step is Faith - 2nd Ask for forgiveness of past karma - > and than must do Purushcharan of Mantra Japa - how many ? > That u must find out which Devi or Devta any person worships - > > Any how u are quite knowledgeable for all this - I do not think > I have to say any thing further - but still if u have any question > please feel free to ask. > > I will do my best to answer -Hari bol pdk. > > > --- On Mon, 28/9/09, Sushma <bhagvatjee@ ...> wrote: > > > Sushma <bhagvatjee@ ...> > Re: Mahamrityunjaya mantra - Sri Vattem Krishnan / Sushma ji > > Monday, 28 September, 2009, 2:22 PM > > > > > > > Dear Kotak Ji > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > Thanks for replying me. In fact I have still not understood the science (recitation, implementation, implications etc) of Mantra properly. You must be aware of the story of Ajaamil where he just called Naaraayan - his son, and Dev Doot saved his life from Yam Doot. You must be aware of that Shiv story also where the man climbed up a tree of Bel fearing a lion and stayed there the whole night. He threw the leaves plucking on the Shiv Ling which was not even above the ground and how he got Mukti... In fact there are several stories are like that in Puraan. Why did they deserve for those statuses? > > On the other side when people pray with lots of Lagan and Bhakti, still they are not rewarded. > > All these things show that the Karm Phal is the highest above all. I think their Kalyaan was written in that way only, they did not do any effort and they were helped by God in that way; while many people make > lots of efforts still don't get any results - it all indicates the Theory of Karm, or Bhaagya or destiny. > > So it is not specic Mantra, not Mantra pronunciation, not Bhakti, not the number of recitation, not the rituals observed whilereciting it, nothing else too, it is only Bhaagya which takes you from anywhere to anywhere. That is my conclusion. What do you think? > > Anyway, thanks for repling > With regards > Sushma > > , pdk kotak <ganeshji101@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > London 27.09.2009 > > 10.41a.m. > > > > Respected shri Sushmaji, > > > > I uderstand yr question pretty well - although it is deep subject - > > some times it is hard to explain in short - > > > > > 1. It must affecct ? Answer to yr para one is YES > > > > 2. ? problem is that if a person who is pure in heart - like Yudhishtier > > of Maharbharat - no matter what bad intention he may have but because of > > his Karma - he can not harm the others as his soul is diverted in different > > direction at the same time - > > Spirit who is lokking after a person never allows bad thing to happpened - > > > > Now take the exaple of Rishi Valmiki - he was a hunter of Robberer- > > but when he was asked to chant RA MA - story is that he started > > chanting ma ra ma ra in fact is becomes Ra Ma Again chanted in reverse. > > > > > > Your last question - > > > > First what is the pupose of some one chanting i.e. what HE / SHE WANTS. > > > > than he has to > choose whom to pray and get the proper Mantra for that > > as there are several different type of SADHANA - AS EVERY ONE IS SADHAK. > > AGAIN THERE ARE NUMBER OF MAHA VIDYA - > > > > THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT SIDE OF IT > > > > Left [WAM MARGI] > > Right [ Satvik marg ] > > > > person in Satvik marg can never do any harm what so ever > > > > While Wam marg [leftiest] which is known a s TANTRIC [bLACK MAGIC] > > > > Please forgive me for being bit short but it can years to explain in very very > > details - > > > > Apart from that Main point depends on The Chart of person does his/her > > Star favours him to become a sadhak - it is not easy any how > > > > Hari bol pdk > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 26/9/09, Sushma <bhagvatjee@ ...> > wrote: > > > > > > Sushma <bhagvatjee@ ...> > > Re: Mahamrityunjaya mantra - Sri Vattem Krishnan / Sushma ji > > > > Saturday, 26 September, 2009, 5:42 PM > > > > Dear PDK Kotak Ji > > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > > > I got a lot of relief after reading your mail. I think, I may be wrong, that any Mantra is a group of sounds arranged in a specific series, which when pronounced in that way, gives the effect which it should give. That is why I think that even if you don't understand the meaning, but if you pronounce the Mantra correctly, it must affect. > > > > But then, there are several stories in Puraan where the people did something good actions even with bad > intentions or unknowingly, or forcefully, still they got good results of that good action (though it was done with bad intention). > > > > But I read one story when the Mantra affected with wrong pronounciation also. It meanr that even the correct pronunciation is also necessary. > > > > Both these situations show that there is something else which works to get good effect. The question is " What is that which is necessary for that good result? " - I am looking for the same. > > > > With due regards > > Sushma > > > > , pdk kotak <ganeshji101@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Respected young lady Shri Sushma ji, > > > > > > my personal experience of Mantra is such that it is quite clear > > > that VIBRATION HAS A STRENGTH - it does benefit - > > > > > > Not only that but I had recent wonderful > experience, which is > > > bit difficult for me to describe - when I was on an operation table > > > in Hospital - plus since the morning of operation so many think > > > hapended - beyond imegination perhapes people may call me > > > Crazy or mad - > > > > > > which I am not - just 78 years old and Mantra Sadhana is in > > > my life since I was eight years old. > > > > > > There are number of incident in my life - when I have been saved > > > > > > so U have a GURU OR SIDDH PERSON or not but from the > > > spirit world they do come and guide u - > > > > > > this is my personal experience - hari bol pdk > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 Brijesh ji, it was given to me by One Gentleman from Nepal - the person who borrowed it - did not returned - I am trying to remember - I statred to search when I wanted it Only thing which I remember is HUMAN BODY PICTURE IN PADAMA SAN - BUT ONLY VEINS WITH NAME IN SANSKART LANGUAGE. I will keep in mind as soon as I come across it details I will say tha tin mail [jr] Hari bol pdk --- On Fri, 2/10/09, brijesh bagga <brij731 wrote: brijesh bagga <brij731 Re: Re: Mahamrityunjaya mantra - Sushma ji Friday, 2 October, 2009, 1:07 PM The book you mentioned in your mail can you tell the name of that book or the availability of that. Thanks Brijesh --- On Thu, 10/1/09, pdk kotak <ganeshji101@ .co. uk> wrote: pdk kotak <ganeshji101@ .co. uk> Re: Re: Mahamrityunjaya mantra - Sushma ji Cc: bhagvatjee Thursday, October 1, 2009, 8:11 PM London 30.09.2009 23.00pm Respected Shri Sushma ji, Now u are going on theory of Karma - although I do have a faith on Karma theory, that is the reason why in my last two line of email dated 27-09-2009. I have mentioned it depends on the Chart or Horoscope of a person to find out why {?] But please note, although it is difficult for me explain number of things which has happened in my life. Number of stories are there that person should have guru [siddha person] but some times to find a TRUE person it not easy. in present material world. As I said earlier Pujay shri Avdhutji - when I was hardly eight told me explain me that time will come in yr life - when u will acquire what u wish - Start prayers to Lord Ganesh ji - who is remover of obstacles - who has guided me all the time - Prayers to Ganeshji can be done in very simple way or u can do " shabari Vidya " method - where by shri Ganesh ji has to come to u, without failure and help, to reach the goal. Apart from that I do not know how to explain [as i do not remember the name of the book now - as some one who had borrowed long time ago - never came back] Where there was a description of each and every vein of our body and how to bring that into CHETAN POSITION [ Awake the energy within our selves] Any how I have said enough - Although u have mentioned in another email that u get up early in the morning, bath and than pray etc., First of all what is your AIM - Are u seeking MOKHSHA or what - every seeker [sHADHAK] has to a goal. First Step is Faith - 2nd Ask for forgiveness of past karma - and than must do Purushcharan of Mantra Japa - how many ? That u must find out which Devi or Devta any person worships - Any how u are quite knowledgeable for all this - I do not think I have to say any thing further - but still if u have any question please feel free to ask. I will do my best to answer -Hari bol pdk. --- On Mon, 28/9/09, Sushma <bhagvatjee > wrote: Sushma <bhagvatjee > Re: Mahamrityunjaya mantra - Sri Vattem Krishnan / Sushma ji Monday, 28 September, 2009, 2:22 PM Dear Kotak Ji Jaya Siyaa Raam Thanks for replying me. In fact I have still not understood the science (recitation, implementation, implications etc) of Mantra properly. You must be aware of the story of Ajaamil where he just called Naaraayan - his son, and Dev Doot saved his life from Yam Doot. You must be aware of that Shiv story also where the man climbed up a tree of Bel fearing a lion and stayed there the whole night. He threw the leaves plucking on the Shiv Ling which was not even above the ground and how he got Mukti... In fact there are several stories are like that in Puraan. Why did they deserve for those statuses? On the other side when people pray with lots of Lagan and Bhakti, still they are not rewarded. All these things show that the Karm Phal is the highest above all. I think their Kalyaan was written in that way only, they did not do any effort and they were helped by God in that way; while many people make lots of efforts still don't get any results - it all indicates the Theory of Karm, or Bhaagya or destiny. So it is not specic Mantra, not Mantra pronunciation, not Bhakti, not the number of recitation, not the rituals observed whilereciting it, nothing else too, it is only Bhaagya which takes you from anywhere to anywhere. That is my conclusion. What do you think? Anyway, thanks for repling With regards Sushma , pdk kotak <ganeshji101@ ...> wrote: > > > London 27.09.2009 > 10.41a.m. > > Respected shri Sushmaji, > > I uderstand yr question pretty well - although it is deep subject - > some times it is hard to explain in short - > > 1. It must affecct ? Answer to yr para one is YES > > 2. ? problem is that if a person who is pure in heart - like Yudhishtier > of Maharbharat - no matter what bad intention he may have but because of > his Karma - he can not harm the others as his soul is diverted in different > direction at the same time - > Spirit who is lokking after a person never allows bad thing to happpened - > > Now take the exaple of Rishi Valmiki - he was a hunter of Robberer- > but when he was asked to chant RA MA - story is that he started > chanting ma ra ma ra in fact is becomes Ra Ma Again chanted in reverse. > > > Your last question - > > First what is the pupose of some one chanting i.e. what HE / SHE WANTS. > > than he has to choose whom to pray and get the proper Mantra for that > as there are several different type of SADHANA - AS EVERY ONE IS SADHAK. > AGAIN THERE ARE NUMBER OF MAHA VIDYA - > > THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT SIDE OF IT > > Left [WAM MARGI] > Right [ Satvik marg ] > > person in Satvik marg can never do any harm what so ever > > While Wam marg [leftiest] which is known a s TANTRIC [bLACK MAGIC] > > Please forgive me for being bit short but it can years to explain in very very > details - > > Apart from that Main point depends on The Chart of person does his/her > Star favours him to become a sadhak - it is not easy any how > > Hari bol pdk > > > > --- On Sat, 26/9/09, Sushma <bhagvatjee@ ...> wrote: > > > Sushma <bhagvatjee@ ...> > Re: Mahamrityunjaya mantra - Sri Vattem Krishnan / Sushma ji > > Saturday, 26 September, 2009, 5:42 PM > > Dear PDK Kotak Ji > Jaya Siyaa Raam > > I got a lot of relief after reading your mail. I think, I may be wrong, that any Mantra is a group of sounds arranged in a specific series, which when pronounced in that way, gives the effect which it should give. That is why I think that even if you don't understand the meaning, but if you pronounce the Mantra correctly, it must affect. > > But then, there are several stories in Puraan where the people did something good actions even with bad intentions or unknowingly, or forcefully, still they got good results of that good action (though it was done with bad intention). > > But I read one story when the Mantra affected with wrong pronounciation also. It meanr that even the correct pronunciation is also necessary. > > Both these situations show that there is something else which works to get good effect. The question is " What is that which is necessary for that good result? " - I am looking for the same. > > With due regards > Sushma > > , pdk kotak <ganeshji101@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Respected young lady Shri Sushma ji, > > > > my personal experience of Mantra is such that it is quite clear > > that VIBRATION HAS A STRENGTH - it does benefit - > > > > Not only that but I had recent wonderful experience, which is > > bit difficult for me to describe - when I was on an operation table > > in Hospital - plus since the morning of operation so many think > > hapended - beyond imegination perhapes people may call me > > Crazy or mad - > > > > which I am not - just 78 years old and Mantra Sadhana is in > > my life since I was eight years old. > > > > There are number of incident in my life - when I have been saved > > > > so U have a GURU OR SIDDH PERSON or not but from the > > spirit world they do come and guide u - > > > > this is my personal experience - hari bol pdk ------------ --------- --------- ------ SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. 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