bad effects due to vehicles - Jatakaparijatha - chapt 12 sloka 114

[Guest guest]

Dear Suresh ji,

 

I too had the doubt and saw 2 up and 2 down, but this is 3 down...!

 

It goes like this

 

if the planets 9th, 10th and in the 1st Bhavas be benefic ones in the

exaltation and aspected by the lord of the Lagna , the PERSON CONCERNED WILL

COME TO GRIEF, WHEN A VEHICLE HABITUALLY USED BY HIM CEASES TO EXIST.

 

i assume he is meaning the relative health of the owner, vehicle are related in

someway. esp if he has a fleet of them and has a favourite among them

 

a la Chetak of rana pratap singh and sivajis I forgot....

 

now the book comes in 3 volumes

 

2nd one ends at 11 starts at 8th chapter.

3rd from 12th to 18th.

 

 

prashant

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag

 

Sun, October 4, 2009 6:22:16 PM

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Dear Prashant ji,

 

Thank you very much for the information.

 

The verse you have mentioned is given as no 108 in the book, i am having.

" chaturthadharmaaya dhanaadhinaatha

vilagnasaMbandhabal aadhikaashchel

tadeeyapaake samupaiti raajyaM

krameNa laabhaM dhanalaabhamarthaM "

 

So the verse I had mentioned should be 2 or 3 verses down in the book you are

having.

 

I have lost the 2nd volume of V.Subramanya Shatri's book, which should have the

verse. The 1st volume is only upto 10 chapters.

 

I shall contact them and try to get, if they have original Sakskrit-Sanskrit or

Sanskrit-English Versions.

 

Meanwhile pls check a few more verses below in your book.

 

Thanks once again.

regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

 

Sunday, October 4, 2009 6:09:32 PM

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required

 

 

 

Dear Suresh ji, I have VBS book u said and find the notes different and in a +ve

manner

 

i bought the 3rd volune in Vedanta Book house Blr it started coming in 3 volumes

in the past 25 yrs i got the 1st 2 in ramans placein 1986 and searched for the

3rd vol since

 

i can scan and send u that page if u wish, or if u want to buy the book it is

available there.

 

details r as here

 

Sri Vedantha Book house

Near Uma Talkies, chamraraja pet

BLR 560018

TEL 26507590

MAIL VEDANTABOOKS@ VSNL.NET

 

INFO COPIED FROM the sticker on the book

rest u can get by calling them I guess.

 

been there whever i go to Blr

 

Krishnia chetty & sons chickpet r the publishers

 

------------ --------- -----

 

for the record sloka 111 gives this info

 

If the LORDS of the 4th, 9th, 10th and 2nd be related to the lagna in some

wayand have strenght, they will in their several Dasa periods respectively lead

to the acquisition of of Kingdom, good fortune, accession of wealth and property

 

it doesnt start with Dharma karma Vilagna but

 

Chaturtha Dharmanya dharmaadha.. ..

 

I assume u feel the sloka u had quoted was lost from VBS works? or is not

present in what u have now?

 

best wishes

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

 

Sun, October 4, 2009 5:19:15 PM

Re: bad effects due to vehicles - Jatakaparijatha - Real charts

required

 

Dear Prashant Ji,

 

The version of Jataka Parijatham I am having is with malayalm lipi translated by

Brahmashree N.Purushothaman Potti. published 81 years back.

 

I have only the first part of V.Subramanya Shatri's book - Sanskrit -English.

The part which contains this verse (chapter 12 - verse 111) is lost. So I can't

verify it. The verse could be in Saravali also.

 

I would be happy if any one could quote the verse from the book written /

published by other authors or any similar verse they come across in other

classical books.

 

As per the current translation, I don't understand why a benefic planet should

give miseries when it is in the Kendra / trikona of 4th house, miseries from

vehicles.

 

Regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

 

Sunday, October 4, 2009 4:46:15 PM

Re: bad effects due to vehicles - Jatakaparijatha - Real charts

required

 

Dear Krishna ji, Suresh ji

 

may be we must study a few versions of Jataka parijata, it is possible there is

a printing/editing mistake here. and is giving contrary meanings

 

at this rate one having a good 10th house has bad vehicles, a GOOD 3rd house can

give bad finances, spiritual, results, a good lagna will give a bad spouse if

ashta stae is applied to them or maraka to each bhava that is Bhavat Bhava

 

I think Suresh ji u r using v subramanya shastry works? I hope krishna ji or

arjun ji can find the telugu versions of this and how the slokas are placed

there the construction of the sandhis and possible meanings.

 

and if anyone has a Hindi-sanskrit view of them it is also welcome

 

Usha & shashi r fakes of all pouplar works can be B suryana rao or v subramanya

shastry or any old astrologers whos books copy right has expired r being misused

as they don't provide sanskrit slokas, just the english version

 

a case in point will be Brihat Jataka of Usha and shashi is verbattim of B

suryana rao's so is sarvartha chintamani

[the titles, examples of BSR in his work are reproduced as it is by them, they

cud have at leaste deleted lines that don;t belong to their time]

 

prashant

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Suresh Babu <sureshbabuag@ >

 

Sun, October 4, 2009 1:46:00 PM

bad effects due to vehicles - Jatakaparijatha - Real charts

required

 

Dear Members,

 

I an bringing to your notice a verse from Jataka parijatha.

 

I wonder how the combination of Lagna lord - a natural benefic and other

benefics in the Lagna , 9th or 10th shall bring miseries and that too due to

Vehicles an attribute of Venus & 4th house.

 

" dharmakarmavilagna sthastungopagash ubhagrahH

lagnaadhipena saMdrishtaa yaanaanthe duHkhamaanuyaal " .

 

The translation is like this

 

if the lagna , 9 & 10th has Ucha bala and have benefic planets aspected by lagna

lord, there will be miseries due to vehicles.

The signs having Ucha bala could very well mean,

1)These signs having planets in exaltation

2)These are exaltation signs of any planets and have benefics aspected by Lagna

lord

3) The lords of Lagna, 9th or 10th should have Ucha bala (very near to deep

exaltation longitude), These signs should have benefic planets who should be

aspected by lagna lord.

 

I would like the members to ponder over this and present any horoscopes which

satifies the above and confirms or contradicts to the effect.

 

I feel there could be printing mistake in the verse.

 

regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Prashant ji,

 

That is correct. That is the verse.

 

Let us see. I shall come back later with more info on the possibilties

 

regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

 

Sunday, October 4, 2009 6:44:50 PM

Re: bad effects due to vehicles - Jatakaparijatha - chapt 12 sloka

114

 

 

 

 

Dear Suresh ji,

 

I too had the doubt and saw 2 up and 2 down, but this is 3 down...!

 

It goes like this

 

if the planets 9th, 10th and in the 1st Bhavas be benefic ones in the exaltation

and aspected by the lord of the Lagna , the PERSON CONCERNED WILL COME TO GRIEF,

WHEN A VEHICLE HABITUALLY USED BY HIM CEASES TO EXIST.

 

i assume he is meaning the relative health of the owner, vehicle are related in

someway. esp if he has a fleet of them and has a favourite among them

 

a la Chetak of rana pratap singh and sivajis I forgot....

 

now the book comes in 3 volumes

 

2nd one ends at 11 starts at 8th chapter.

3rd from 12th to 18th.

 

prashant

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

 

Sun, October 4, 2009 6:22:16 PM

Re: bad effects due to vehicles - Jatakaparijatha - Real charts

required

 

Dear Prashant ji,

 

Thank you very much for the information.

 

The verse you have mentioned is given as no 108 in the book, i am having.

" chaturthadharmaaya dhanaadhinaatha

vilagnasaMbandhabal aadhikaashchel

tadeeyapaake samupaiti raajyaM

krameNa laabhaM dhanalaabhamarthaM "

 

So the verse I had mentioned should be 2 or 3 verses down in the book you are

having.

 

I have lost the 2nd volume of V.Subramanya Shatri's book, which should have the

verse. The 1st volume is only upto 10 chapters.

 

I shall contact them and try to get, if they have original Sakskrit-Sanskrit or

Sanskrit-English Versions.

 

Meanwhile pls check a few more verses below in your book.

 

Thanks once again.

regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

 

Sunday, October 4, 2009 6:09:32 PM

Re: bad effects due to vehicles - Jatakaparijatha - Real charts

required

 

Dear Suresh ji, I have VBS book u said and find the notes different and in a +ve

manner

 

i bought the 3rd volune in Vedanta Book house Blr it started coming in 3 volumes

in the past 25 yrs i got the 1st 2 in ramans placein 1986 and searched for the

3rd vol since

 

i can scan and send u that page if u wish, or if u want to buy the book it is

available there.

 

details r as here

 

Sri Vedantha Book house

Near Uma Talkies, chamraraja pet

BLR 560018

TEL 26507590

MAIL VEDANTABOOKS@ VSNL.NET

 

INFO COPIED FROM the sticker on the book

rest u can get by calling them I guess.

 

been there whever i go to Blr

 

Krishnia chetty & sons chickpet r the publishers

 

------------ --------- -----

 

for the record sloka 111 gives this info

 

If the LORDS of the 4th, 9th, 10th and 2nd be related to the lagna in some

wayand have strenght, they will in their several Dasa periods respectively lead

to the acquisition of of Kingdom, good fortune, accession of wealth and property

 

it doesnt start with Dharma karma Vilagna but

 

Chaturtha Dharmanya dharmaadha.. ..

 

I assume u feel the sloka u had quoted was lost from VBS works? or is not

present in what u have now?

 

best wishes

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

 

Sun, October 4, 2009 5:19:15 PM

Re: bad effects due to vehicles - Jatakaparijatha - Real charts

required

 

Dear Prashant Ji,

 

The version of Jataka Parijatham I am having is with malayalm lipi translated by

Brahmashree N.Purushothaman Potti. published 81 years back.

 

I have only the first part of V.Subramanya Shatri's book - Sanskrit -English.

The part which contains this verse (chapter 12 - verse 111) is lost. So I can't

verify it. The verse could be in Saravali also.

 

I would be happy if any one could quote the verse from the book written /

published by other authors or any similar verse they come across in other

classical books.

 

As per the current translation, I don't understand why a benefic planet should

give miseries when it is in the Kendra / trikona of 4th house, miseries from

vehicles.

 

Regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

 

Sunday, October 4, 2009 4:46:15 PM

Re: bad effects due to vehicles - Jatakaparijatha - Real charts

required

 

Dear Krishna ji, Suresh ji

 

may be we must study a few versions of Jataka parijata, it is possible there is

a printing/editing mistake here. and is giving contrary meanings

 

at this rate one having a good 10th house has bad vehicles, a GOOD 3rd house can

give bad finances, spiritual, results, a good lagna will give a bad spouse if

ashta stae is applied to them or maraka to each bhava that is Bhavat Bhava

 

I think Suresh ji u r using v subramanya shastry works? I hope krishna ji or

arjun ji can find the telugu versions of this and how the slokas are placed

there the construction of the sandhis and possible meanings.

 

and if anyone has a Hindi-sanskrit view of them it is also welcome

 

Usha & shashi r fakes of all pouplar works can be B suryana rao or v subramanya

shastry or any old astrologers whos books copy right has expired r being misused

as they don't provide sanskrit slokas, just the english version

 

a case in point will be Brihat Jataka of Usha and shashi is verbattim of B

suryana rao's so is sarvartha chintamani

[the titles, examples of BSR in his work are reproduced as it is by them, they

cud have at leaste deleted lines that don;t belong to their time]

 

prashant

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Suresh Babu <sureshbabuag@ >

 

Sun, October 4, 2009 1:46:00 PM

bad effects due to vehicles - Jatakaparijatha - Real charts

required

 

Dear Members,

 

I an bringing to your notice a verse from Jataka parijatha.

 

I wonder how the combination of Lagna lord - a natural benefic and other

benefics in the Lagna , 9th or 10th shall bring miseries and that too due to

Vehicles an attribute of Venus & 4th house.

 

" dharmakarmavilagna sthastungopagash ubhagrahH

lagnaadhipena saMdrishtaa yaanaanthe duHkhamaanuyaal " .

 

The translation is like this

 

if the lagna , 9 & 10th has Ucha bala and have benefic planets aspected by lagna

lord, there will be miseries due to vehicles.

The signs having Ucha bala could very well mean,

1)These signs having planets in exaltation

2)These are exaltation signs of any planets and have benefics aspected by Lagna

lord

3) The lords of Lagna, 9th or 10th should have Ucha bala (very near to deep

exaltation longitude), These signs should have benefic planets who should be

aspected by lagna lord.

 

I would like the members to ponder over this and present any horoscopes which

satifies the above and confirms or contradicts to the effect.

 

I feel there could be printing mistake in the verse.

 

regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

[Guest guest]

Suresh ji,

 

did this explaination be more apt as it has a relationship attached to both the

owner, vehicle and did not suggest it t o be JUST MISERABLE due to vehicles

 

whver the vechile is unsuable so can point to a health issue or financial set

back to the owner....

 

as those days they were both cattle, horses both used for transoprot and dairy

income surely can mean a setback

 

now may be we can treat this as not only conveyance lss but means of livelihood

also may suffer?

 

 

Prashant

 

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag

 

Sun, October 4, 2009 7:20:52 PM

Re: bad effects due to vehicles - Jatakaparijatha - chapt 12 sloka

114

 

 

Dear Prashant ji,

 

That is correct. That is the verse.

 

Let us see. I shall come back later with more info on the possibilties

 

regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

 

Sunday, October 4, 2009 6:44:50 PM

Re: bad effects due to vehicles - Jatakaparijatha - chapt 12 sloka

114

 

 

 

Dear Suresh ji,

 

I too had the doubt and saw 2 up and 2 down, but this is 3 down...!

 

It goes like this

 

if the planets 9th, 10th and in the 1st Bhavas be benefic ones in the exaltation

and aspected by the lord of the Lagna , the PERSON CONCERNED WILL COME TO GRIEF,

WHEN A VEHICLE HABITUALLY USED BY HIM CEASES TO EXIST.

 

i assume he is meaning the relative health of the owner, vehicle are related in

someway. esp if he has a fleet of them and has a favourite among them

 

a la Chetak of rana pratap singh and sivajis I forgot....

 

now the book comes in 3 volumes

 

2nd one ends at 11 starts at 8th chapter.

3rd from 12th to 18th.

 

prashant

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

 

Sun, October 4, 2009 6:22:16 PM

Re: bad effects due to vehicles - Jatakaparijatha - Real charts

required

 

Dear Prashant ji,

 

Thank you very much for the information.

 

The verse you have mentioned is given as no 108 in the book, i am having.

" chaturthadharmaaya dhanaadhinaatha

vilagnasaMbandhabal aadhikaashchel

tadeeyapaake samupaiti raajyaM

krameNa laabhaM dhanalaabhamarthaM "

 

So the verse I had mentioned should be 2 or 3 verses down in the book you are

having.

 

I have lost the 2nd volume of V.Subramanya Shatri's book, which should have the

verse. The 1st volume is only upto 10 chapters.

 

I shall contact them and try to get, if they have original Sakskrit-Sanskrit or

Sanskrit-English Versions.

 

Meanwhile pls check a few more verses below in your book.

 

Thanks once again.

regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

 

Sunday, October 4, 2009 6:09:32 PM

Re: bad effects due to vehicles - Jatakaparijatha - Real charts

required

 

Dear Suresh ji, I have VBS book u said and find the notes different and in a +ve

manner

 

i bought the 3rd volune in Vedanta Book house Blr it started coming in 3 volumes

in the past 25 yrs i got the 1st 2 in ramans placein 1986 and searched for the

3rd vol since

 

i can scan and send u that page if u wish, or if u want to buy the book it is

available there.

 

details r as here

 

Sri Vedantha Book house

Near Uma Talkies, chamraraja pet

BLR 560018

TEL 26507590

MAIL VEDANTABOOKS@ VSNL.NET

 

INFO COPIED FROM the sticker on the book

rest u can get by calling them I guess.

 

been there whever i go to Blr

 

Krishnia chetty & sons chickpet r the publishers

 

------------ --------- -----

 

for the record sloka 111 gives this info

 

If the LORDS of the 4th, 9th, 10th and 2nd be related to the lagna in some

wayand have strenght, they will in their several Dasa periods respectively lead

to the acquisition of of Kingdom, good fortune, accession of wealth and property

 

it doesnt start with Dharma karma Vilagna but

 

Chaturtha Dharmanya dharmaadha.. ..

 

I assume u feel the sloka u had quoted was lost from VBS works? or is not

present in what u have now?

 

best wishes

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

 

Sun, October 4, 2009 5:19:15 PM

Re: bad effects due to vehicles - Jatakaparijatha - Real charts

required

 

Dear Prashant Ji,

 

The version of Jataka Parijatham I am having is with malayalm lipi translated by

Brahmashree N.Purushothaman Potti. published 81 years back.

 

I have only the first part of V.Subramanya Shatri's book - Sanskrit -English.

The part which contains this verse (chapter 12 - verse 111) is lost. So I can't

verify it. The verse could be in Saravali also.

 

I would be happy if any one could quote the verse from the book written /

published by other authors or any similar verse they come across in other

classical books.

 

As per the current translation, I don't understand why a benefic planet should

give miseries when it is in the Kendra / trikona of 4th house, miseries from

vehicles.

 

Regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

 

Sunday, October 4, 2009 4:46:15 PM

Re: bad effects due to vehicles - Jatakaparijatha - Real charts

required

 

Dear Krishna ji, Suresh ji

 

may be we must study a few versions of Jataka parijata, it is possible there is

a printing/editing mistake here. and is giving contrary meanings

 

at this rate one having a good 10th house has bad vehicles, a GOOD 3rd house can

give bad finances, spiritual, results, a good lagna will give a bad spouse if

ashta stae is applied to them or maraka to each bhava that is Bhavat Bhava

 

I think Suresh ji u r using v subramanya shastry works? I hope krishna ji or

arjun ji can find the telugu versions of this and how the slokas are placed

there the construction of the sandhis and possible meanings.

 

and if anyone has a Hindi-sanskrit view of them it is also welcome

 

Usha & shashi r fakes of all pouplar works can be B suryana rao or v subramanya

shastry or any old astrologers whos books copy right has expired r being misused

as they don't provide sanskrit slokas, just the english version

 

a case in point will be Brihat Jataka of Usha and shashi is verbattim of B

suryana rao's so is sarvartha chintamani

[the titles, examples of BSR in his work are reproduced as it is by them, they

cud have at leaste deleted lines that don;t belong to their time]

 

prashant

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Suresh Babu <sureshbabuag@ >

 

Sun, October 4, 2009 1:46:00 PM

bad effects due to vehicles - Jatakaparijatha - Real charts

required

 

Dear Members,

 

I an bringing to your notice a verse from Jataka parijatha.

 

I wonder how the combination of Lagna lord - a natural benefic and other

benefics in the Lagna , 9th or 10th shall bring miseries and that too due to

Vehicles an attribute of Venus & 4th house.

 

" dharmakarmavilagna sthastungopagash ubhagrahH

lagnaadhipena saMdrishtaa yaanaanthe duHkhamaanuyaal " .

 

The translation is like this

 

if the lagna , 9 & 10th has Ucha bala and have benefic planets aspected by lagna

lord, there will be miseries due to vehicles.

The signs having Ucha bala could very well mean,

1)These signs having planets in exaltation

2)These are exaltation signs of any planets and have benefics aspected by Lagna

lord

3) The lords of Lagna, 9th or 10th should have Ucha bala (very near to deep

exaltation longitude), These signs should have benefic planets who should be

aspected by lagna lord.

 

I would like the members to ponder over this and present any horoscopes which

satifies the above and confirms or contradicts to the effect.

 

I feel there could be printing mistake in the verse.

 

regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Prashant ji,

 

I feel the translation as given below is not correct.

 

//if the planets 9th, 10th and in the 1st Bhavas be benefic ones in the

exaltation and aspected by the lord of the Lagna , the PERSON CONCERNED WILL

COME TO GRIEF, WHEN A VEHICLE HABITUALLY USED BY HIM CEASES TO EXIST.//

 

 

 

The " yananthe duHkhamapnuyal " is not " a vehicle ceases to exist " Nor does is

imply " vehicle habitually used " . this is a fiction created by the translator.

 

In my opinion it is should be read as

" yanaan te duHkhamaapnuyaal " ie " te yaanaan duHkham apnuyaal " . they shall gain

grief due to vehicles . It is dwiteeya bahuvachan. So it indicates multiple

vehicles as well.

 

It seems that the malayalam translator is more correct though not fully

convincing regarding the points I had raised.

 

In todays conditions, it could very mean travel operators, very rich people

having multiple vehicles etc.

In fact I know a person , who is travel operator, who has many vehicles, but had

heavy loses and there is not single vehicle which had not met with accident

incurring huge expenditures. His personal car was not even spared. Many a times,

it was not at all their fault. His car was by another lorry from the back when

stopped at trafic red light. Two of his bus were grounded with heavy maintanance

and had to sold at huge loss since no one was willing to buy them - a wrong

choise of type also added to the problem.

 

10 th house is Karma sthana. so livelihood should definetly be considered here.

 

I don't know his horoscope, other wise could have checked it.

 

I don't think health as such is implied here. But health problems due to

vehicles, driving etc may be operative. Today there is an increase of back pain

& kedney stone problems due to ridng of 2 wheelers, particularly among young

sales persons & executives. A surg of 2 wheeler sales in the recent years is a

point to be noted.

 

As a remote possibility, benefics in 1, 9 & 10 particularly in exaltation should

give a lot baghya and probably vehicles also. A it is quite natural for vehicles

to meet with accidents. So why should the Acharya write a verse for such a

flimsy  & common matter (at least today). Whether it is 500 years back or now or

in future vehicles will have defects or meet with accidents.

 

So there has to particular reason for the verse.

 

Again, if we consider all the three - 1st, 9th & 10th to have exalted planet

 

There are two lagnas where this could be possible

1) Makara lagna with Mars, Saturn in Tula & Mercury in kanya

2) Karkata lagna with jupiter, Sun in Mesha & Venus in meena.

 

The other is Simha lagna with Sun in mesha  & moon in vrishabha with planet

exalting in simha.

 

so it is evident that all three need not or cannot have exalted planets to

fullfill the conditions.

 

It may just mean these three positions having benefic planets and atleast one of

exalted in the lagna and aspected by lagna lord.

 

The other explanation could only be debilation because again we come back to the

original doubt.

How can an exalted planet in the 1, 9 or 10 and these having benefics confer

grief?

 

thank you for the suggestion

regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

    

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

 

Monday, October 5, 2009 2:29:00 PM

Re: bad effects due to vehicles - Jatakaparijatha - chapt 12 sloka

114

 

 

Suresh ji,

 

did this explaination be more apt as it has a relationship attached to both the

owner, vehicle and did not suggest it t o be JUST MISERABLE due to vehicles

 

whver the vechile is unsuable so can point to a health issue or financial set

back to the owner....

 

as those days they were both cattle, horses both used for transoprot and dairy

income surely can mean a setback

 

now may be we can treat this as not only conveyance lss but means of livelihood

also may suffer?

 

Prashant

 

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

 

Sun, October 4, 2009 7:20:52 PM

Re: bad effects due to vehicles - Jatakaparijatha - chapt 12 sloka

114

 

Dear Prashant ji,

 

That is correct. That is the verse.

 

Let us see. I shall come back later with more info on the possibilties

 

regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

 

Sunday, October 4, 2009 6:44:50 PM

Re: bad effects due to vehicles - Jatakaparijatha - chapt 12 sloka

114

 

Dear Suresh ji,

 

I too had the doubt and saw 2 up and 2 down, but this is 3 down...!

 

It goes like this

 

if the planets 9th, 10th and in the 1st Bhavas be benefic ones in the exaltation

and aspected by the lord of the Lagna , the PERSON CONCERNED WILL COME TO GRIEF,

WHEN A VEHICLE HABITUALLY USED BY HIM CEASES TO EXIST.

 

i assume he is meaning the relative health of the owner, vehicle are related in

someway. esp if he has a fleet of them and has a favourite among them

 

a la Chetak of rana pratap singh and sivajis I forgot....

 

now the book comes in 3 volumes

 

2nd one ends at 11 starts at 8th chapter.

3rd from 12th to 18th.

 

prashant

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

 

Sun, October 4, 2009 6:22:16 PM

Re: bad effects due to vehicles - Jatakaparijatha - Real charts

required

 

Dear Prashant ji,

 

Thank you very much for the information.

 

The verse you have mentioned is given as no 108 in the book, i am having.

" chaturthadharmaaya dhanaadhinaatha

vilagnasaMbandhabal aadhikaashchel

tadeeyapaake samupaiti raajyaM

krameNa laabhaM dhanalaabhamarthaM "

 

So the verse I had mentioned should be 2 or 3 verses down in the book you are

having.

 

I have lost the 2nd volume of V.Subramanya Shatri's book, which should have the

verse. The 1st volume is only upto 10 chapters.

 

I shall contact them and try to get, if they have original Sakskrit-Sanskrit or

Sanskrit-English Versions.

 

Meanwhile pls check a few more verses below in your book.

 

Thanks once again.

regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

 

Sunday, October 4, 2009 6:09:32 PM

Re: bad effects due to vehicles - Jatakaparijatha - Real charts

required

 

Dear Suresh ji, I have VBS book u said and find the notes different and in a +ve

manner

 

i bought the 3rd volune in Vedanta Book house Blr it started coming in 3 volumes

in the past 25 yrs i got the 1st 2 in ramans placein 1986 and searched for the

3rd vol since

 

i can scan and send u that page if u wish, or if u want to buy the book it is

available there.

 

details r as here

 

Sri Vedantha Book house

Near Uma Talkies, chamraraja pet

BLR 560018

TEL 26507590

MAIL VEDANTABOOKS@ VSNL.NET

 

INFO COPIED FROM the sticker on the book

rest u can get by calling them I guess.

 

been there whever i go to Blr

 

Krishnia chetty & sons chickpet r the publishers

 

------------ --------- -----

 

for the record sloka 111 gives this info

 

If the LORDS of the 4th, 9th, 10th and 2nd be related to the lagna in some

wayand have strenght, they will in their several Dasa periods respectively lead

to the acquisition of of Kingdom, good fortune, accession of wealth and property

 

it doesnt start with Dharma karma Vilagna but

 

Chaturtha Dharmanya dharmaadha.. ..

 

I assume u feel the sloka u had quoted was lost from VBS works? or is not

present in what u have now?

 

best wishes

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

 

Sun, October 4, 2009 5:19:15 PM

Re: bad effects due to vehicles - Jatakaparijatha - Real charts

required

 

Dear Prashant Ji,

 

The version of Jataka Parijatham I am having is with malayalm lipi translated by

Brahmashree N.Purushothaman Potti. published 81 years back.

 

I have only the first part of V.Subramanya Shatri's book - Sanskrit -English.

The part which contains this verse (chapter 12 - verse 111) is lost. So I can't

verify it. The verse could be in Saravali also.

 

I would be happy if any one could quote the verse from the book written /

published by other authors or any similar verse they come across in other

classical books.

 

As per the current translation, I don't understand why a benefic planet should

give miseries when it is in the Kendra / trikona of 4th house, miseries from

vehicles.

 

Regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

 

Sunday, October 4, 2009 4:46:15 PM

Re: bad effects due to vehicles - Jatakaparijatha - Real charts

required

 

Dear Krishna ji, Suresh ji

 

may be we must study a few versions of Jataka parijata, it is possible there is

a printing/editing mistake here. and is giving contrary meanings

 

at this rate one having a good 10th house has bad vehicles, a GOOD 3rd house can

give bad finances, spiritual, results, a good lagna will give a bad spouse if

ashta stae is applied to them or maraka to each bhava that is Bhavat Bhava

 

I think Suresh ji u r using v subramanya shastry works? I hope krishna ji or

arjun ji can find the telugu versions of this and how the slokas are placed

there the construction of the sandhis and possible meanings.

 

and if anyone has a Hindi-sanskrit view of them it is also welcome

 

Usha & shashi r fakes of all pouplar works can be B suryana rao or v subramanya

shastry or any old astrologers whos books copy right has expired r being misused

as they don't provide sanskrit slokas, just the english version

 

a case in point will be Brihat Jataka of Usha and shashi is verbattim of B

suryana rao's so is sarvartha chintamani

[the titles, examples of BSR in his work are reproduced as it is by them, they

cud have at leaste deleted lines that don;t belong to their time]

 

prashant

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Suresh Babu <sureshbabuag@ >

 

Sun, October 4, 2009 1:46:00 PM

bad effects due to vehicles - Jatakaparijatha - Real charts

required

 

Dear Members,

 

I an bringing to your notice a verse from Jataka parijatha.

 

I wonder how the combination of Lagna lord - a natural benefic and other

benefics in the Lagna , 9th or 10th shall bring miseries and that too due to

Vehicles an attribute of Venus & 4th house.

 

" dharmakarmavilagna sthastungopagash ubhagrahH

lagnaadhipena saMdrishtaa yaanaanthe duHkhamaanuyaal " .

 

The translation is like this

 

if the lagna , 9 & 10th has Ucha bala and have benefic planets aspected by lagna

lord, there will be miseries due to vehicles.

The signs having Ucha bala could very well mean,

1)These signs having planets in exaltation

2)These are exaltation signs of any planets and have benefics aspected by Lagna

lord

3) The lords of Lagna, 9th or 10th should have Ucha bala (very near to deep

exaltation longitude), These signs should have benefic planets who should be

aspected by lagna lord.

 

I would like the members to ponder over this and present any horoscopes which

satifies the above and confirms or contradicts to the effect.

 

I feel there could be printing mistake in the verse.

 

regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Suresh ji

 

I have also said something close to it!

 

that he meant a fleet of vehicles if u read my 1st post on sloka 114

 

and a favorite among them and also Chetak's as a example of ranapratap singh, so

to sivajis horse

 

someone had Badal not sure who though

 

and I am sure in the grammatical mirror there can be some unseen meanings as the

habitually was intended too in such a tone, than a literal interpretation

 

hence if one had more than one vehicle and has a attachment/fondness to it he

cud have setbacks same time just as the time his favourite vehicle breaks down

it can COINCIDE WITH HIS GRIEF/BAD TIMES STARTING [omen/premonition]

 

this like what u said can also be part of it

a tour operator,

or a dairy farm owner as i had earlier suggested

 

or a race horse sable breeder?

 

prashant

 

 

 

________________________________

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag

 

Mon, October 5, 2009 3:52:49 PM

Re: bad effects due to vehicles - Jatakaparijatha - chapt 12 sloka

114

 

 

Dear Prashant ji,

 

I feel the translation as given below is not correct.

 

//if the planets 9th, 10th and in the 1st Bhavas be benefic ones in the

exaltation and aspected by the lord of the Lagna , the PERSON CONCERNED WILL

COME TO GRIEF, WHEN A VEHICLE HABITUALLY USED BY HIM CEASES TO EXIST.//

 

The " yananthe duHkhamapnuyal " is not " a vehicle ceases to exist " Nor does is

imply " vehicle habitually used " . this is a fiction created by the translator.

 

In my opinion it is should be read as

" yanaan te duHkhamaapnuyaal " ie " te yaanaan duHkham apnuyaal " . they shall gain

grief due to vehicles . It is dwiteeya bahuvachan. So it indicates multiple

vehicles as well.

 

It seems that the malayalam translator is more correct though not fully

convincing regarding the points I had raised.

 

In todays conditions, it could very mean travel operators, very rich people

having multiple vehicles etc.

In fact I know a person , who is travel operator, who has many vehicles, but had

heavy loses and there is not single vehicle which had not met with accident

incurring huge expenditures. His personal car was not even spared. Many a times,

it was not at all their fault. His car was by another lorry from the back when

stopped at trafic red light. Two of his bus were grounded with heavy maintanance

and had to sold at huge loss since no one was willing to buy them - a wrong

choise of type also added to the problem.

 

10 th house is Karma sthana. so livelihood should definetly be considered here.

 

I don't know his horoscope, other wise could have checked it.

 

I don't think health as such is implied here. But health problems due to

vehicles, driving etc may be operative. Today there is an increase of back pain

& kedney stone problems due to ridng of 2 wheelers, particularly among young

sales persons & executives. A surg of 2 wheeler sales in the recent years is a

point to be noted.

 

As a remote possibility, benefics in 1, 9 & 10 particularly in exaltation should

give a lot baghya and probably vehicles also. A it is quite natural for vehicles

to meet with accidents. So why should the Acharya write a verse for such a

flimsy & common matter (at least today). Whether it is 500 years back or now or

in future vehicles will have defects or meet with accidents.

 

So there has to particular reason for the verse.

 

Again, if we consider all the three - 1st, 9th & 10th to have exalted planet

 

There are two lagnas where this could be possible

1) Makara lagna with Mars, Saturn in Tula & Mercury in kanya

2) Karkata lagna with jupiter, Sun in Mesha & Venus in meena.

 

The other is Simha lagna with Sun in mesha & moon in vrishabha with planet

exalting in simha.

 

so it is evident that all three need not or cannot have exalted planets to

fullfill the conditions.

 

It may just mean these three positions having benefic planets and atleast one of

exalted in the lagna and aspected by lagna lord.

 

The other explanation could only be debilation because again we come back to the

original doubt.

How can an exalted planet in the 1, 9 or 10 and these having benefics confer

grief?

 

thank you for the suggestion

regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

 

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

 

Monday, October 5, 2009 2:29:00 PM

Re: bad effects due to vehicles - Jatakaparijatha - chapt 12 sloka

114

 

 

Suresh ji,

 

did this explaination be more apt as it has a relationship attached to both the

owner, vehicle and did not suggest it t o be JUST MISERABLE due to vehicles

 

whver the vechile is unsuable so can point to a health issue or financial set

back to the owner....

 

as those days they were both cattle, horses both used for transoprot and dairy

income surely can mean a setback

 

now may be we can treat this as not only conveyance lss but means of livelihood

also may suffer?

 

Prashant

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

 

Sun, October 4, 2009 7:20:52 PM

Re: bad effects due to vehicles - Jatakaparijatha - chapt 12 sloka

114

 

Dear Prashant ji,

 

That is correct. That is the verse.

 

Let us see. I shall come back later with more info on the possibilties

 

regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

 

Sunday, October 4, 2009 6:44:50 PM

Re: bad effects due to vehicles - Jatakaparijatha - chapt 12 sloka

114

 

Dear Suresh ji,

 

I too had the doubt and saw 2 up and 2 down, but this is 3 down...!

 

It goes like this

 

if the planets 9th, 10th and in the 1st Bhavas be benefic ones in the exaltation

and aspected by the lord of the Lagna , the PERSON CONCERNED WILL COME TO GRIEF,

WHEN A VEHICLE HABITUALLY USED BY HIM CEASES TO EXIST.

 

i assume he is meaning the relative health of the owner, vehicle are related in

someway. esp if he has a fleet of them and has a favourite among them

 

a la Chetak of rana pratap singh and sivajis I forgot....

 

now the book comes in 3 volumes

 

2nd one ends at 11 starts at 8th chapter.

3rd from 12th to 18th.

 

prashant

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

 

Sun, October 4, 2009 6:22:16 PM

Re: bad effects due to vehicles - Jatakaparijatha - Real charts

required

 

Dear Prashant ji,

 

Thank you very much for the information.

 

The verse you have mentioned is given as no 108 in the book, i am having.

" chaturthadharmaaya dhanaadhinaatha

vilagnasaMbandhabal aadhikaashchel

tadeeyapaake samupaiti raajyaM

krameNa laabhaM dhanalaabhamarthaM "

 

So the verse I had mentioned should be 2 or 3 verses down in the book you are

having.

 

I have lost the 2nd volume of V.Subramanya Shatri's book, which should have the

verse. The 1st volume is only upto 10 chapters.

 

I shall contact them and try to get, if they have original Sakskrit-Sanskrit or

Sanskrit-English Versions.

 

Meanwhile pls check a few more verses below in your book.

 

Thanks once again.

regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

 

Sunday, October 4, 2009 6:09:32 PM

Re: bad effects due to vehicles - Jatakaparijatha - Real charts

required

 

Dear Suresh ji, I have VBS book u said and find the notes different and in a +ve

manner

 

i bought the 3rd volune in Vedanta Book house Blr it started coming in 3 volumes

in the past 25 yrs i got the 1st 2 in ramans placein 1986 and searched for the

3rd vol since

 

i can scan and send u that page if u wish, or if u want to buy the book it is

available there.

 

details r as here

 

Sri Vedantha Book house

Near Uma Talkies, chamraraja pet

BLR 560018

TEL 26507590

MAIL VEDANTABOOKS@ VSNL.NET

 

INFO COPIED FROM the sticker on the book

rest u can get by calling them I guess.

 

been there whever i go to Blr

 

Krishnia chetty & sons chickpet r the publishers

 

------------ --------- -----

 

for the record sloka 111 gives this info

 

If the LORDS of the 4th, 9th, 10th and 2nd be related to the lagna in some

wayand have strenght, they will in their several Dasa periods respectively lead

to the acquisition of of Kingdom, good fortune, accession of wealth and property

 

it doesnt start with Dharma karma Vilagna but

 

Chaturtha Dharmanya dharmaadha.. ..

 

I assume u feel the sloka u had quoted was lost from VBS works? or is not

present in what u have now?

 

best wishes

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

 

Sun, October 4, 2009 5:19:15 PM

Re: bad effects due to vehicles - Jatakaparijatha - Real charts

required

 

Dear Prashant Ji,

 

The version of Jataka Parijatham I am having is with malayalm lipi translated by

Brahmashree N.Purushothaman Potti. published 81 years back.

 

I have only the first part of V.Subramanya Shatri's book - Sanskrit -English.

The part which contains this verse (chapter 12 - verse 111) is lost. So I can't

verify it. The verse could be in Saravali also.

 

I would be happy if any one could quote the verse from the book written /

published by other authors or any similar verse they come across in other

classical books.

 

As per the current translation, I don't understand why a benefic planet should

give miseries when it is in the Kendra / trikona of 4th house, miseries from

vehicles.

 

Regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

 

Sunday, October 4, 2009 4:46:15 PM

Re: bad effects due to vehicles - Jatakaparijatha - Real charts

required

 

Dear Krishna ji, Suresh ji

 

may be we must study a few versions of Jataka parijata, it is possible there is

a printing/editing mistake here. and is giving contrary meanings

 

at this rate one having a good 10th house has bad vehicles, a GOOD 3rd house can

give bad finances, spiritual, results, a good lagna will give a bad spouse if

ashta stae is applied to them or maraka to each bhava that is Bhavat Bhava

 

I think Suresh ji u r using v subramanya shastry works? I hope krishna ji or

arjun ji can find the telugu versions of this and how the slokas are placed

there the construction of the sandhis and possible meanings.

 

and if anyone has a Hindi-sanskrit view of them it is also welcome

 

Usha & shashi r fakes of all pouplar works can be B suryana rao or v subramanya

shastry or any old astrologers whos books copy right has expired r being misused

as they don't provide sanskrit slokas, just the english version

 

a case in point will be Brihat Jataka of Usha and shashi is verbattim of B

suryana rao's so is sarvartha chintamani

[the titles, examples of BSR in his work are reproduced as it is by them, they

cud have at leaste deleted lines that don;t belong to their time]

 

prashant

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Suresh Babu <sureshbabuag@ >

 

Sun, October 4, 2009 1:46:00 PM

bad effects due to vehicles - Jatakaparijatha - Real charts

required

 

Dear Members,

 

I an bringing to your notice a verse from Jataka parijatha.

 

I wonder how the combination of Lagna lord - a natural benefic and other

benefics in the Lagna , 9th or 10th shall bring miseries and that too due to

Vehicles an attribute of Venus & 4th house.

 

" dharmakarmavilagna sthastungopagash ubhagrahH

lagnaadhipena saMdrishtaa yaanaanthe duHkhamaanuyaal " .

 

The translation is like this

 

if the lagna , 9 & 10th has Ucha bala and have benefic planets aspected by lagna

lord, there will be miseries due to vehicles.

The signs having Ucha bala could very well mean,

1)These signs having planets in exaltation

2)These are exaltation signs of any planets and have benefics aspected by Lagna

lord

3) The lords of Lagna, 9th or 10th should have Ucha bala (very near to deep

exaltation longitude), These signs should have benefic planets who should be

aspected by lagna lord.

 

I would like the members to ponder over this and present any horoscopes which

satifies the above and confirms or contradicts to the effect.

 

I feel there could be printing mistake in the verse.

 

regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Prashant ji,

 

Very correct, you did mention so.

 

My only disagreement is with the use of " favourate vehicle " . There is nothing in

the verse to indicate such condition. of course, a person may have many vehicles

but mostly one will be his favourate or in constant use. For many, they treat

the only vehicle they use as part of the family. so hence any damage caused to

it is grief - no doubt.

 

I always felt that it is better to translate the verse litteraly and let the

readers use it as found appropriate, than adding information wrongly. damaged

due to any vehicle even if it is not favourite is painfull. so what is point of

adding such information which the original author had not intentioned. The

readers can easily mistake it not appying to other type of vehicles.

 

I really would to see charts with these conditions.

 

regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

 

Monday, October 5, 2009 6:05:04 PM

Re: bad effects due to vehicles - Jatakaparijatha - chapt 12 sloka

114

 

 

Dear Suresh ji

 

I have also said something close to it!

 

that he meant a fleet of vehicles if u read my 1st post on sloka 114

 

and a favorite among them and also Chetak's as a example of ranapratap singh, so

to sivajis horse

 

someone had Badal not sure who though

 

and I am sure in the grammatical mirror there can be some unseen meanings as the

habitually was intended too in such a tone, than a literal interpretation

 

hence if one had more than one vehicle and has a attachment/fondness to it he

cud have setbacks same time just as the time his favourite vehicle breaks down

it can COINCIDE WITH HIS GRIEF/BAD TIMES STARTING [omen/premonition]

 

this like what u said can also be part of it

a tour operator,

or a dairy farm owner as i had earlier suggested

 

or a race horse sable breeder?

 

prashant

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

 

Mon, October 5, 2009 3:52:49 PM

Re: bad effects due to vehicles - Jatakaparijatha - chapt 12 sloka

114

 

Dear Prashant ji,

 

I feel the translation as given below is not correct.

 

//if the planets 9th, 10th and in the 1st Bhavas be benefic ones in the

exaltation and aspected by the lord of the Lagna , the PERSON CONCERNED WILL

COME TO GRIEF, WHEN A VEHICLE HABITUALLY USED BY HIM CEASES TO EXIST.//

 

The " yananthe duHkhamapnuyal " is not " a vehicle ceases to exist " Nor does is

imply " vehicle habitually used " . this is a fiction created by the translator.

 

In my opinion it is should be read as

" yanaan te duHkhamaapnuyaal " ie " te yaanaan duHkham apnuyaal " . they shall gain

grief due to vehicles . It is dwiteeya bahuvachan. So it indicates multiple

vehicles as well.

 

It seems that the malayalam translator is more correct though not fully

convincing regarding the points I had raised.

 

In todays conditions, it could very mean travel operators, very rich people

having multiple vehicles etc.

In fact I know a person , who is travel operator, who has many vehicles, but had

heavy loses and there is not single vehicle which had not met with accident

incurring huge expenditures. His personal car was not even spared. Many a times,

it was not at all their fault. His car was by another lorry from the back when

stopped at trafic red light. Two of his bus were grounded with heavy maintanance

and had to sold at huge loss since no one was willing to buy them - a wrong

choise of type also added to the problem.

 

10 th house is Karma sthana. so livelihood should definetly be considered here.

 

I don't know his horoscope, other wise could have checked it.

 

I don't think health as such is implied here. But health problems due to

vehicles, driving etc may be operative. Today there is an increase of back pain

& kedney stone problems due to ridng of 2 wheelers, particularly among young

sales persons & executives. A surg of 2 wheeler sales in the recent years is a

point to be noted.

 

As a remote possibility, benefics in 1, 9 & 10 particularly in exaltation should

give a lot baghya and probably vehicles also. A it is quite natural for vehicles

to meet with accidents. So why should the Acharya write a verse for such a

flimsy & common matter (at least today). Whether it is 500 years back or now or

in future vehicles will have defects or meet with accidents.

 

So there has to particular reason for the verse.

 

Again, if we consider all the three - 1st, 9th & 10th to have exalted planet

 

There are two lagnas where this could be possible

1) Makara lagna with Mars, Saturn in Tula & Mercury in kanya

2) Karkata lagna with jupiter, Sun in Mesha & Venus in meena.

 

The other is Simha lagna with Sun in mesha & moon in vrishabha with planet

exalting in simha.

 

so it is evident that all three need not or cannot have exalted planets to

fullfill the conditions.

 

It may just mean these three positions having benefic planets and atleast one of

exalted in the lagna and aspected by lagna lord.

 

The other explanation could only be debilation because again we come back to the

original doubt.

How can an exalted planet in the 1, 9 or 10 and these having benefics confer

grief?

 

thank you for the suggestion

regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

 

Monday, October 5, 2009 2:29:00 PM

Re: bad effects due to vehicles - Jatakaparijatha - chapt 12 sloka

114

 

Suresh ji,

 

did this explaination be more apt as it has a relationship attached to both the

owner, vehicle and did not suggest it t o be JUST MISERABLE due to vehicles

 

whver the vechile is unsuable so can point to a health issue or financial set

back to the owner....

 

as those days they were both cattle, horses both used for transoprot and dairy

income surely can mean a setback

 

now may be we can treat this as not only conveyance lss but means of livelihood

also may suffer?

 

Prashant

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

 

Sun, October 4, 2009 7:20:52 PM

Re: bad effects due to vehicles - Jatakaparijatha - chapt 12 sloka

114

 

Dear Prashant ji,

 

That is correct. That is the verse.

 

Let us see. I shall come back later with more info on the possibilties

 

regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

 

Sunday, October 4, 2009 6:44:50 PM

Re: bad effects due to vehicles - Jatakaparijatha - chapt 12 sloka

114

 

Dear Suresh ji,

 

I too had the doubt and saw 2 up and 2 down, but this is 3 down...!

 

It goes like this

 

if the planets 9th, 10th and in the 1st Bhavas be benefic ones in the exaltation

and aspected by the lord of the Lagna , the PERSON CONCERNED WILL COME TO GRIEF,

WHEN A VEHICLE HABITUALLY USED BY HIM CEASES TO EXIST.

 

i assume he is meaning the relative health of the owner, vehicle are related in

someway. esp if he has a fleet of them and has a favourite among them

 

a la Chetak of rana pratap singh and sivajis I forgot....

 

now the book comes in 3 volumes

 

2nd one ends at 11 starts at 8th chapter.

3rd from 12th to 18th.

 

prashant

 

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Sun, October 4, 2009 6:22:16 PM

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Dear Prashant ji,

 

Thank you very much for the information.

 

The verse you have mentioned is given as no 108 in the book, i am having.

" chaturthadharmaaya dhanaadhinaatha

vilagnasaMbandhabal aadhikaashchel

tadeeyapaake samupaiti raajyaM

krameNa laabhaM dhanalaabhamarthaM "

 

So the verse I had mentioned should be 2 or 3 verses down in the book you are

having.

 

I have lost the 2nd volume of V.Subramanya Shatri's book, which should have the

verse. The 1st volume is only upto 10 chapters.

 

I shall contact them and try to get, if they have original Sakskrit-Sanskrit or

Sanskrit-English Versions.

 

Meanwhile pls check a few more verses below in your book.

 

Thanks once again.

regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

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Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

 

Sunday, October 4, 2009 6:09:32 PM

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Dear Suresh ji, I have VBS book u said and find the notes different and in a +ve

manner

 

i bought the 3rd volune in Vedanta Book house Blr it started coming in 3 volumes

in the past 25 yrs i got the 1st 2 in ramans placein 1986 and searched for the

3rd vol since

 

i can scan and send u that page if u wish, or if u want to buy the book it is

available there.

 

details r as here

 

Sri Vedantha Book house

Near Uma Talkies, chamraraja pet

BLR 560018

TEL 26507590

MAIL VEDANTABOOKS@ VSNL.NET

 

INFO COPIED FROM the sticker on the book

rest u can get by calling them I guess.

 

been there whever i go to Blr

 

Krishnia chetty & sons chickpet r the publishers

 

------------ --------- -----

 

for the record sloka 111 gives this info

 

If the LORDS of the 4th, 9th, 10th and 2nd be related to the lagna in some

wayand have strenght, they will in their several Dasa periods respectively lead

to the acquisition of of Kingdom, good fortune, accession of wealth and property

 

it doesnt start with Dharma karma Vilagna but

 

Chaturtha Dharmanya dharmaadha.. ..

 

I assume u feel the sloka u had quoted was lost from VBS works? or is not

present in what u have now?

 

best wishes

 

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Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

 

Sun, October 4, 2009 5:19:15 PM

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Dear Prashant Ji,

 

The version of Jataka Parijatham I am having is with malayalm lipi translated by

Brahmashree N.Purushothaman Potti. published 81 years back.

 

I have only the first part of V.Subramanya Shatri's book - Sanskrit -English.

The part which contains this verse (chapter 12 - verse 111) is lost. So I can't

verify it. The verse could be in Saravali also.

 

I would be happy if any one could quote the verse from the book written /

published by other authors or any similar verse they come across in other

classical books.

 

As per the current translation, I don't understand why a benefic planet should

give miseries when it is in the Kendra / trikona of 4th house, miseries from

vehicles.

 

Regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

 

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Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

 

Sunday, October 4, 2009 4:46:15 PM

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Dear Krishna ji, Suresh ji

 

may be we must study a few versions of Jataka parijata, it is possible there is

a printing/editing mistake here. and is giving contrary meanings

 

at this rate one having a good 10th house has bad vehicles, a GOOD 3rd house can

give bad finances, spiritual, results, a good lagna will give a bad spouse if

ashta stae is applied to them or maraka to each bhava that is Bhavat Bhava

 

I think Suresh ji u r using v subramanya shastry works? I hope krishna ji or

arjun ji can find the telugu versions of this and how the slokas are placed

there the construction of the sandhis and possible meanings.

 

and if anyone has a Hindi-sanskrit view of them it is also welcome

 

Usha & shashi r fakes of all pouplar works can be B suryana rao or v subramanya

shastry or any old astrologers whos books copy right has expired r being misused

as they don't provide sanskrit slokas, just the english version

 

a case in point will be Brihat Jataka of Usha and shashi is verbattim of B

suryana rao's so is sarvartha chintamani

[the titles, examples of BSR in his work are reproduced as it is by them, they

cud have at leaste deleted lines that don;t belong to their time]

 

prashant

 

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Suresh Babu <sureshbabuag@ >

 

Sun, October 4, 2009 1:46:00 PM

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Dear Members,

 

I an bringing to your notice a verse from Jataka parijatha.

 

I wonder how the combination of Lagna lord - a natural benefic and other

benefics in the Lagna , 9th or 10th shall bring miseries and that too due to

Vehicles an attribute of Venus & 4th house.

 

" dharmakarmavilagna sthastungopagash ubhagrahH

lagnaadhipena saMdrishtaa yaanaanthe duHkhamaanuyaal " .

 

The translation is like this

 

if the lagna , 9 & 10th has Ucha bala and have benefic planets aspected by lagna

lord, there will be miseries due to vehicles.

The signs having Ucha bala could very well mean,

1)These signs having planets in exaltation

2)These are exaltation signs of any planets and have benefics aspected by Lagna

lord

3) The lords of Lagna, 9th or 10th should have Ucha bala (very near to deep

exaltation longitude), These signs should have benefic planets who should be

aspected by lagna lord.

 

I would like the members to ponder over this and present any horoscopes which

satifies the above and confirms or contradicts to the effect.

 

I feel there could be printing mistake in the verse.

 

regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

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Dear Suresh ji,

 

I am sure the words chosen by such scholars r aplty used and VBS, M R Bhatt

worked together in them and MR Bhatt was head of dept in sanskrit in st josephs

college

 

and probably if u find the work/verse in saravali as u suggested u can also get

some clue there as well why he had used it

 

and in context of a plural one can be apt as most ppl had say more than one

bulluck cart and or a horse cart too or some just rode a horse or two and still

had a pref on someone in them

 

i can give u one example i think it is close to it

 

20/1/65, 4.51 Eluru [AP]

 

ON JAN 7 02 approx 9.45 am close to Hollywod near his work place met with a

HOLLYWOOD kind of a accident was hit by a speeding freight truck with a few

hundreds of cars from the harbor INTO OPP 5 LANES to be hit by a FEDEX truck

AGAIN SENT SOME 4 LANES AWAY AND CAME TO A HALT THE CAR HE WAS USING GOT CRUSHED

TO DUST he survived it unscathed but is a shaken man, still drives it was not

his fault but the freight truck for changing the lane wrongly

 

they had 2 cars WIFE USED ONE

 

 

HERE U CAN SEE 9TH has sani in own house, 10th has 2nd lord and 9th is [in a

moola trikona so strong enough i guess] aspected by lagna lord Budha, in Bhava

Lagna has ravi in lagna as 3rd lord.

 

accident happened in suk-rah-suk-suk-gur [ramans] as u can see rah with guru in

the 12th in D9 kuj+rah in 3rd in Mithuna.

 

 

the day chandra was 6/8 to natals

 

Suk+ket+ravi in the 7th to lagna

Kuja in the 9th on natals sani

 

BUT TRANSIT LAGNA suk+ravi+ket in the 11th so did survive it i guess.

 

he has a v good own hous in LA, a HOUSE IN ap, A FAMILY HOUSE AND A NARSHIMA

TEMPLE the family is worshipping fo generations.

 

 

PRASHANT

 

 

 

I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non

Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth

data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in

the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside

the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group

for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

/database?method=reportRows & tbl=6

 

 

 

 

 

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Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag

 

Mon, October 5, 2009 6:22:10 PM

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Dear Prashant ji,

 

Very correct, you did mention so.

 

My only disagreement is with the use of " favourate vehicle " . There is nothing in

the verse to indicate such condition. of course, a person may have many vehicles

but mostly one will be his favourate or in constant use. For many, they treat

the only vehicle they use as part of the family. so hence any damage caused to

it is grief - no doubt.

 

I always felt that it is better to translate the verse litteraly and let the

readers use it as found appropriate, than adding information wrongly. damaged

due to any vehicle even if it is not favourite is painfull. so what is point of

adding such information which the original author had not intentioned. The

readers can easily mistake it not appying to other type of vehicles.

 

I really would to see charts with these conditions.

 

regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

 

 

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Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

 

Monday, October 5, 2009 6:05:04 PM

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Dear Suresh ji

 

I have also said something close to it!

 

that he meant a fleet of vehicles if u read my 1st post on sloka 114

 

and a favorite among them and also Chetak's as a example of ranapratap singh, so

to sivajis horse

 

someone had Badal not sure who though

 

and I am sure in the grammatical mirror there can be some unseen meanings as the

habitually was intended too in such a tone, than a literal interpretation

 

hence if one had more than one vehicle and has a attachment/fondness to it he

cud have setbacks same time just as the time his favourite vehicle breaks down

it can COINCIDE WITH HIS GRIEF/BAD TIMES STARTING [omen/premonition]

 

this like what u said can also be part of it

a tour operator,

or a dairy farm owner as i had earlier suggested

 

or a race horse sable breeder?

 

prashant

 

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Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

 

Mon, October 5, 2009 3:52:49 PM

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Dear Prashant ji,

 

I feel the translation as given below is not correct.

 

//if the planets 9th, 10th and in the 1st Bhavas be benefic ones in the

exaltation and aspected by the lord of the Lagna , the PERSON CONCERNED WILL

COME TO GRIEF, WHEN A VEHICLE HABITUALLY USED BY HIM CEASES TO EXIST.//

 

The " yananthe duHkhamapnuyal " is not " a vehicle ceases to exist " Nor does is

imply " vehicle habitually used " . this is a fiction created by the translator.

 

In my opinion it is should be read as

" yanaan te duHkhamaapnuyaal " ie " te yaanaan duHkham apnuyaal " . they shall gain

grief due to vehicles . It is dwiteeya bahuvachan. So it indicates multiple

vehicles as well.

 

It seems that the malayalam translator is more correct though not fully

convincing regarding the points I had raised.

 

In todays conditions, it could very mean travel operators, very rich people

having multiple vehicles etc.

In fact I know a person , who is travel operator, who has many vehicles, but had

heavy loses and there is not single vehicle which had not met with accident

incurring huge expenditures. His personal car was not even spared. Many a times,

it was not at all their fault. His car was by another lorry from the back when

stopped at trafic red light. Two of his bus were grounded with heavy maintanance

and had to sold at huge loss since no one was willing to buy them - a wrong

choise of type also added to the problem.

 

10 th house is Karma sthana. so livelihood should definetly be considered here.

 

I don't know his horoscope, other wise could have checked it.

 

I don't think health as such is implied here. But health problems due to

vehicles, driving etc may be operative. Today there is an increase of back pain

& kedney stone problems due to ridng of 2 wheelers, particularly among young

sales persons & executives. A surg of 2 wheeler sales in the recent years is a

point to be noted.

 

As a remote possibility, benefics in 1, 9 & 10 particularly in exaltation should

give a lot baghya and probably vehicles also. A it is quite natural for vehicles

to meet with accidents. So why should the Acharya write a verse for such a

flimsy & common matter (at least today). Whether it is 500 years back or now or

in future vehicles will have defects or meet with accidents.

 

So there has to particular reason for the verse.

 

Again, if we consider all the three - 1st, 9th & 10th to have exalted planet

 

There are two lagnas where this could be possible

1) Makara lagna with Mars, Saturn in Tula & Mercury in kanya

2) Karkata lagna with jupiter, Sun in Mesha & Venus in meena.

 

The other is Simha lagna with Sun in mesha & moon in vrishabha with planet

exalting in simha.

 

so it is evident that all three need not or cannot have exalted planets to

fullfill the conditions.

 

It may just mean these three positions having benefic planets and atleast one of

exalted in the lagna and aspected by lagna lord.

 

The other explanation could only be debilation because again we come back to the

original doubt.

How can an exalted planet in the 1, 9 or 10 and these having benefics confer

grief?

 

thank you for the suggestion

regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

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Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

 

Monday, October 5, 2009 2:29:00 PM

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Suresh ji,

 

did this explaination be more apt as it has a relationship attached to both the

owner, vehicle and did not suggest it t o be JUST MISERABLE due to vehicles

 

whver the vechile is unsuable so can point to a health issue or financial set

back to the owner....

 

as those days they were both cattle, horses both used for transoprot and dairy

income surely can mean a setback

 

now may be we can treat this as not only conveyance lss but means of livelihood

also may suffer?

 

Prashant

 

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Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

 

Sun, October 4, 2009 7:20:52 PM

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Dear Prashant ji,

 

That is correct. That is the verse.

 

Let us see. I shall come back later with more info on the possibilties

 

regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

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Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

 

Sunday, October 4, 2009 6:44:50 PM

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Dear Suresh ji,

 

I too had the doubt and saw 2 up and 2 down, but this is 3 down...!

 

It goes like this

 

if the planets 9th, 10th and in the 1st Bhavas be benefic ones in the exaltation

and aspected by the lord of the Lagna , the PERSON CONCERNED WILL COME TO GRIEF,

WHEN A VEHICLE HABITUALLY USED BY HIM CEASES TO EXIST.

 

i assume he is meaning the relative health of the owner, vehicle are related in

someway. esp if he has a fleet of them and has a favourite among them

 

a la Chetak of rana pratap singh and sivajis I forgot....

 

now the book comes in 3 volumes

 

2nd one ends at 11 starts at 8th chapter.

3rd from 12th to 18th.

 

prashant

 

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Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

 

Sun, October 4, 2009 6:22:16 PM

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Dear Prashant ji,

 

Thank you very much for the information.

 

The verse you have mentioned is given as no 108 in the book, i am having.

" chaturthadharmaaya dhanaadhinaatha

vilagnasaMbandhabal aadhikaashchel

tadeeyapaake samupaiti raajyaM

krameNa laabhaM dhanalaabhamarthaM "

 

So the verse I had mentioned should be 2 or 3 verses down in the book you are

having.

 

I have lost the 2nd volume of V.Subramanya Shatri's book, which should have the

verse. The 1st volume is only upto 10 chapters.

 

I shall contact them and try to get, if they have original Sakskrit-Sanskrit or

Sanskrit-English Versions.

 

Meanwhile pls check a few more verses below in your book.

 

Thanks once again.

regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

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Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

 

Sunday, October 4, 2009 6:09:32 PM

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Dear Suresh ji, I have VBS book u said and find the notes different and in a +ve

manner

 

i bought the 3rd volune in Vedanta Book house Blr it started coming in 3 volumes

in the past 25 yrs i got the 1st 2 in ramans placein 1986 and searched for the

3rd vol since

 

i can scan and send u that page if u wish, or if u want to buy the book it is

available there.

 

details r as here

 

Sri Vedantha Book house

Near Uma Talkies, chamraraja pet

BLR 560018

TEL 26507590

MAIL VEDANTABOOKS@ VSNL.NET

 

INFO COPIED FROM the sticker on the book

rest u can get by calling them I guess.

 

been there whever i go to Blr

 

Krishnia chetty & sons chickpet r the publishers

 

------------ --------- -----

 

for the record sloka 111 gives this info

 

If the LORDS of the 4th, 9th, 10th and 2nd be related to the lagna in some

wayand have strenght, they will in their several Dasa periods respectively lead

to the acquisition of of Kingdom, good fortune, accession of wealth and property

 

it doesnt start with Dharma karma Vilagna but

 

Chaturtha Dharmanya dharmaadha.. ..

 

I assume u feel the sloka u had quoted was lost from VBS works? or is not

present in what u have now?

 

best wishes

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

 

Sun, October 4, 2009 5:19:15 PM

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Dear Prashant Ji,

 

The version of Jataka Parijatham I am having is with malayalm lipi translated by

Brahmashree N.Purushothaman Potti. published 81 years back.

 

I have only the first part of V.Subramanya Shatri's book - Sanskrit -English.

The part which contains this verse (chapter 12 - verse 111) is lost. So I can't

verify it. The verse could be in Saravali also.

 

I would be happy if any one could quote the verse from the book written /

published by other authors or any similar verse they come across in other

classical books.

 

As per the current translation, I don't understand why a benefic planet should

give miseries when it is in the Kendra / trikona of 4th house, miseries from

vehicles.

 

Regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

 

Sunday, October 4, 2009 4:46:15 PM

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Dear Krishna ji, Suresh ji

 

may be we must study a few versions of Jataka parijata, it is possible there is

a printing/editing mistake here. and is giving contrary meanings

 

at this rate one having a good 10th house has bad vehicles, a GOOD 3rd house can

give bad finances, spiritual, results, a good lagna will give a bad spouse if

ashta stae is applied to them or maraka to each bhava that is Bhavat Bhava

 

I think Suresh ji u r using v subramanya shastry works? I hope krishna ji or

arjun ji can find the telugu versions of this and how the slokas are placed

there the construction of the sandhis and possible meanings.

 

and if anyone has a Hindi-sanskrit view of them it is also welcome

 

Usha & shashi r fakes of all pouplar works can be B suryana rao or v subramanya

shastry or any old astrologers whos books copy right has expired r being misused

as they don't provide sanskrit slokas, just the english version

 

a case in point will be Brihat Jataka of Usha and shashi is verbattim of B

suryana rao's so is sarvartha chintamani

[the titles, examples of BSR in his work are reproduced as it is by them, they

cud have at leaste deleted lines that don;t belong to their time]

 

prashant

 

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Suresh Babu <sureshbabuag@ >

 

Sun, October 4, 2009 1:46:00 PM

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Dear Members,

 

I an bringing to your notice a verse from Jataka parijatha.

 

I wonder how the combination of Lagna lord - a natural benefic and other

benefics in the Lagna , 9th or 10th shall bring miseries and that too due to

Vehicles an attribute of Venus & 4th house.

 

" dharmakarmavilagna sthastungopagash ubhagrahH

lagnaadhipena saMdrishtaa yaanaanthe duHkhamaanuyaal " .

 

The translation is like this

 

if the lagna , 9 & 10th has Ucha bala and have benefic planets aspected by lagna

lord, there will be miseries due to vehicles.

The signs having Ucha bala could very well mean,

1)These signs having planets in exaltation

2)These are exaltation signs of any planets and have benefics aspected by Lagna

lord

3) The lords of Lagna, 9th or 10th should have Ucha bala (very near to deep

exaltation longitude), These signs should have benefic planets who should be

aspected by lagna lord.

 

I would like the members to ponder over this and present any horoscopes which

satifies the above and confirms or contradicts to the effect.

 

I feel there could be printing mistake in the verse.

 

regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy