Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Dear friend, Some mantra do not require the formal number of minumum recitation to obtain Siddhi or success for a specific purpose. These are called 'Siddha Mantra' or 'Prasiddha Mantra'. Others mantra require formal initiation from Guru who are accomplished in the Mantra. Probably some members using the term 'Apradissha' for it, as apparent from their message. -- So far as translation of 'Sarda Tilak' is concerned..... mantra having two 'varna' of contrasting elements such as fire and water close to each other e.g. Rung(fire), Bung(water) etc. are devoid of 'sattwik' qualities. You may notice that the above two are used consecutively in 'Papa Purusha Samskara' in meditation/ pooja done in traditional way i.e. self purification purpose. -------------------------------- We should limit our discussion to benefic use of the 'Siddha Mantras' only. Regards, Mruyunjay Tripathy (Consultancy out of group is not free) , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Dear all, > > There is no classification such as prasidha & aprasidha mantras. > > If the mantras are conform to the Mantras Shastra are sidha mantras. > > However, once can say that mantras like " Ohm Namo Narayanaaya " , " Ohm Nama Shivaaya " , " Ohm Namo Bhagavate Vaasudevaayaa " are very common and could be recited by anyone with minimum cleanliness. > > Tantra shatras are many and each lays down their own stipulations for doing Mantra Sadhana. > > However, it is wrong to think that any or every one can do any mantra sadhana simply because it is written in a Tantra. > > Mantra Sadhana or tantra ordained for each sect should not be easily done by others simply because a famous person has written about or it is available on the internet. > > There are Satwic, Rajasic & Tamasic gunas to be considered. > > Sidha, Sadhya, Su Sidha & Ari sidha classifications also are very important. Each has its own results and the way it should be used. Otherwise the results may not only be expected but turn detrimental to the native. > > Dwaitha &  Adwaitha form of worship > > This is complex subject with many factors other than what I have mentioned here. > > We have had numerous messages here about persons not getting the results of reciting mantras. What more do you require to understand the futility of doing something which every one is not supposed to do or they way they do it. > > I also see lot of advices for reciting ekakshara mantras. I am not sure about their knowldege in Tantra shatra. > > However, Sharada Tilaka, a most respected treatise on Tantra / Mantra Shatra says > > " kooTa ekaaksharo mantraH sa evokto niraMshakaH > dvivarNNaH satvaheenaH syaad chaturvarNNastu kekaraH " > > The mantras with one Akshara are called " Koota " and are Niramsha ie: shobha heena ; with two aksharas are satva heena & 4 aksharas are kekaras. > > I am not sure whether ekashara mantras are allowed in other Tantras. I shall welcome any such original Pramanas and not the words of any " famous person " has written about it who ever it is.  > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. > > >   > >  > > > > ________________________________ > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > Tue, October 13, 2009 10:13:43 AM > Re: Re: Prasiddha mantras > >  > Dear Sirs > Dealing with importance of Mnatras,there was an article " Concerning Mantras.May be it is appropritae for me to cite from AStrological Magzine January 1994 written by Prof.K.S.Ramachandr a Rao > > In the heade topic as Prasiddha Mantras " probably means for siddha mantras.These have been mentioned and grouped as " Siddha Mantras " as they are of ''proven merit.These mantras please note " may use them even when not given by a Guru " Such Mnatras are not " Kamya siddha Mantras. " > For a Mantra to be effective in a particular context ''it must be specifically and individually cmmunicated/ given by a Guru. > Siddha/Prasiddha Mnatras(?) a group of words or letters can have no controverys of any nature.Then " gurupa desato Mnatrah was mentioned for specifics.Mntra when given by A " is powerful and Mantra   Data " is powerful and fuul of potentialities. > In our internet paralance'any mantra will become effective in any stage (of life) when the practice is doubled. > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) >  > > --- On Mon, 10/12/09, Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> wrote: > > Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> > Re: Re: Prasiddha mantras > > Monday, October 12, 2009, 6:35 PM > >  > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > Dear utkal, > > Just before becoming adhikari its good to follow sastra. Your arguments > are against logic based on the sastra. > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > SJC Jyotish Guru > ------------ -- > /*Consultations & Pages* > http://rohinaa. com > rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com > starsuponme@ wp.pl / > > utkal.panigrahi pisze: > > > > > > One makes secrets and Other endorses, Who among you two, got Mantra > > Siddhi, Who is adhikari ? > > > > ~Utkal. > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, " jyotish " <astrologer_ > > mrutyunjay@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > Shree Rafal is quite right. > > > > > > > > > Astrology is definitely useful in > > > > > > guiding us towards favourable path > > > > > > of work. > > > > > > What is needed is just a little bit of hard work. > > > > > > Favourableness/ unfavourableness or easy success > > > > > > for mantra is clearly > > > > > > indicated in astrological treaties like Prasna Marga, > > > > > > Sarvartha Chintamani etc. etc. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz > > <starsuponme@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > > > > Dear Hari > > > > > > > > If mantra arudha goes to house of the Deva - its prasidha mantra. > > This > > > > is big secret. > > > > > > > > You can recite those two mantras. Before that pray to Guru, then Sri > > > > Ganesha and ask for forgiveness if you will be destined to make some > > > > mistakes during sadhana. > > > > > > > > Jyotisha is great tool for picking the right mantra. Otherwise Sri > > > > Parasara, Hari Hara (Prashna Marga) wouldnt bother so much to give > > > > relation between yoga and particular type of sadhana. > > > > > > > > Its like various kind of medicines - some are general and give you > > much > > > > better immune system, some are to-the-point strong medicines. Good > > > > Jyotisha can provide both - like good doctor. > > > > > > > > The worse treat these techniques as unnecessary as an excuse for > > being > > > > lazy. This is against sastra. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > ------------ -- > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com> > > > > rafal@ > > > > starsuponme@ / > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari, > > > > > > > > > > Feel free to pick and chant any mantra you like, to do God's > > sadhana. > > > > > Mantra selection is beoynd capability of a jyotishi, Do not > > worry, The > > > > > god w'd manifest it's blesssing because of your devotion and > > honesty in > > > > > your daily dealings with others, try to remain pure in heart. > > > > > > > > > > When initiation requires, God w'd take you to right Guru. > > > > > > > > > > At least for God " Prasiddhi " or " Fame " in this small world doesn't > > > > > matter, He doesnt classify bhakti and mantras in this way > > - " Prasiddha " > > > > > and " Aprasddha " . > > > > > > > > > > In sadhana it's said - " Pratistha Sukari Vistha " , " Greed of fame is > > > > > like excreta of a pig " , but these guys are making imaginary > > distinction > > > > > with " Prasiddha " vs " Aprasiddha " . These guys have no idea of > > sadhana, > > > > > instead of learning, they tempt to become " Guru " , Pls take care . > > > > > > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, Harihara Krishnan > > > > > <harih2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Rafalji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I came across the below mantra list from an earlier discussion in > > > > > which you participated. I thought that the Navarna mantra (Om > > > > > > Aim Hrim Kleem Chamundayai Vichchai) requires initiation. > > Could you > > > > > > kindly confirm whether I can chant it without initiation, as I am > > > > > > searching for Prasiddha mantra remedies for malefic Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, > > > > > > kindly advise whether the mantra Om Bhurbhuvassuvah > > Sambasadaashivaaya > > > > > > Namah (which you prescribed in your website) could be chanted for > > > > > strengthening lagna Lord Jupiter which is > > > > > > also in 6th House, or is it the mantra mentioned below (Om Tat > > Sat) > > > > > that is most suitable. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prasiddha Mantra (Best advise) > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun - Om Namah Shivaaya > > > > > > Moon - Om Matre Namah > > > > > > Mars - Om Namo Bhagavate Rudraaya > > > > > > Mercury - Om Vishnave Namah > > > > > > Jupiter - Om Tat Sat > > > > > > Venus - Om namo Lakshmi Narayanaaya > > > > > > Saturn - Om Namo Naraayanaya > > > > > > Rahu - Om Aim Hrim Kleem Chamundayai Vichchai > > > > > > Ketu - Om Ganeshaaya namah > > > > > > In addition, for Lagna & Karma suddhi: Om namo Bhagavate > > Vasudevaaya > > > > > > (Supreme Intelligence) or Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > Always prefer these mantra over others as they will give > > definite and > > > > > > good results without any negatives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Dear Mrithyunjay Ji, You have given a slightly new deffinition to the word prasidha & sidha. so accordingly those mantras that do not require are " prasidha mantras " . right? Let it be any name. You might call them " Prasidha Mantras " , I may call them " sarvani mantras " . It doesn't matter. does it? But what matters is what are these so called " Prasidha Mantras " . What is the classification? Are you implying that all mantras that is intended for welfare can be recited by any one WITHOUT Inittiation and those mantras used for destruction like vasyam, marana etc are Aprasidha ONLY need initiation? A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy , " jyotish " <astrologer_mrutyunjay wrote: > > Dear friend, > > Some mantra do not require the formal number of minumum recitation to > > obtain Siddhi or success for a specific purpose. > > These are called 'Siddha Mantra' or > > 'Prasiddha Mantra'. > > Others mantra require formal initiation from Guru > > who are accomplished in the Mantra. > > Probably some members using the term 'Apradissha' for it, as apparent from their message. > -- > So far as translation of 'Sarda Tilak' is concerned..... > > mantra having two 'varna' of contrasting elements such as fire and water close to each other e.g. Rung(fire), Bung(water) > > etc. are devoid of 'sattwik' qualities. > > You may notice that the above two are used consecutively > > in 'Papa Purusha Samskara' in meditation/ pooja > > done in traditional way i.e. self purification purpose. > -------------------------------- > > We should limit our discussion to benefic use of the > > 'Siddha Mantras' only. > > > Regards, > > Mruyunjay Tripathy > (Consultancy out of group is not free) > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@> wrote: > > > > Dear all, > > > > There is no classification such as prasidha & aprasidha mantras. > > > > If the mantras are conform to the Mantras Shastra are sidha mantras. > > > > However, once can say that mantras like " Ohm Namo Narayanaaya " , " Ohm Nama Shivaaya " , " Ohm Namo Bhagavate Vaasudevaayaa " are very common and could be recited by anyone with minimum cleanliness. > > > > Tantra shatras are many and each lays down their own stipulations for doing Mantra Sadhana. > > > > However, it is wrong to think that any or every one can do any mantra sadhana simply because it is written in a Tantra. > > > > Mantra Sadhana or tantra ordained for each sect should not be easily done by others simply because a famous person has written about or it is available on the internet. > > > > There are Satwic, Rajasic & Tamasic gunas to be considered. > > > > Sidha, Sadhya, Su Sidha & Ari sidha classifications also are very important. Each has its own results and the way it should be used. Otherwise the results may not only be expected but turn detrimental to the native. > > > > Dwaitha &  Adwaitha form of worship > > > > This is complex subject with many factors other than what I have mentioned here. > > > > We have had numerous messages here about persons not getting the results of reciting mantras. What more do you require to understand the futility of doing something which every one is not supposed to do or they way they do it. > > > > I also see lot of advices for reciting ekakshara mantras. I am not sure about their knowldege in Tantra shatra. > > > > However, Sharada Tilaka, a most respected treatise on Tantra / Mantra Shatra says > > > > " kooTa ekaaksharo mantraH sa evokto niraMshakaH > > dvivarNNaH satvaheenaH syaad chaturvarNNastu kekaraH " > > > > The mantras with one Akshara are called " Koota " and are Niramsha ie: shobha heena ; with two aksharas are satva heena & 4 aksharas are kekaras. > > > > I am not sure whether ekashara mantras are allowed in other Tantras. I shall welcome any such original Pramanas and not the words of any " famous person " has written about it who ever it is.  > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. > > > > > >   > > > >  > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > Tue, October 13, 2009 10:13:43 AM > > Re: Re: Prasiddha mantras > > > >  > > Dear Sirs > > Dealing with importance of Mnatras,there was an article " Concerning Mantras.May be it is appropritae for me to cite from AStrological Magzine January 1994 written by Prof.K.S.Ramachandr a Rao > > > > In the heade topic as Prasiddha Mantras " probably means for siddha mantras.These have been mentioned and grouped as " Siddha Mantras " as they are of ''proven merit.These mantras please note " may use them even when not given by a Guru " Such Mnatras are not " Kamya siddha Mantras. " > > For a Mantra to be effective in a particular context ''it must be specifically and individually cmmunicated/ given by a Guru. > > Siddha/Prasiddha Mnatras(?) a group of words or letters can have no controverys of any nature.Then " gurupa desato Mnatrah was mentioned for specifics.Mntra when given by A " is powerful and Mantra   Data " is powerful and fuul of potentialities. > > In our internet paralance'any mantra will become effective in any stage (of life) when the practice is doubled. > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > >  > > > > --- On Mon, 10/12/09, Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> wrote: > > > > Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> > > Re: Re: Prasiddha mantras > > > > Monday, October 12, 2009, 6:35 PM > > > >  > > > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > > Dear utkal, > > > > Just before becoming adhikari its good to follow sastra. Your arguments > > are against logic based on the sastra. > > > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > ------------ -- > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > http://rohinaa. com > > rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com > > starsuponme@ wp.pl / > > > > utkal.panigrahi pisze: > > > > > > > > > One makes secrets and Other endorses, Who among you two, got Mantra > > > Siddhi, Who is adhikari ? > > > > > > ~Utkal. > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, " jyotish " <astrologer_ > > > mrutyunjay@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > > > Shree Rafal is quite right. > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is definitely useful in > > > > > > > > guiding us towards favourable path > > > > > > > > of work. > > > > > > > > What is needed is just a little bit of hard work. > > > > > > > > Favourableness/ unfavourableness or easy success > > > > > > > > for mantra is clearly > > > > > > > > indicated in astrological treaties like Prasna Marga, > > > > > > > > Sarvartha Chintamani etc. etc. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz > > > <starsuponme@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > > > > > Dear Hari > > > > > > > > > > If mantra arudha goes to house of the Deva - its prasidha mantra. > > > This > > > > > is big secret. > > > > > > > > > > You can recite those two mantras. Before that pray to Guru, then Sri > > > > > Ganesha and ask for forgiveness if you will be destined to make some > > > > > mistakes during sadhana. > > > > > > > > > > Jyotisha is great tool for picking the right mantra. Otherwise Sri > > > > > Parasara, Hari Hara (Prashna Marga) wouldnt bother so much to give > > > > > relation between yoga and particular type of sadhana. > > > > > > > > > > Its like various kind of medicines - some are general and give you > > > much > > > > > better immune system, some are to-the-point strong medicines. Good > > > > > Jyotisha can provide both - like good doctor. > > > > > > > > > > The worse treat these techniques as unnecessary as an excuse for > > > being > > > > > lazy. This is against sastra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > > ------------ -- > > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com> > > > > > rafal@ > > > > > starsuponme@ / > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari, > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel free to pick and chant any mantra you like, to do God's > > > sadhana. > > > > > > Mantra selection is beoynd capability of a jyotishi, Do not > > > worry, The > > > > > > god w'd manifest it's blesssing because of your devotion and > > > honesty in > > > > > > your daily dealings with others, try to remain pure in heart. > > > > > > > > > > > > When initiation requires, God w'd take you to right Guru. > > > > > > > > > > > > At least for God " Prasiddhi " or " Fame " in this small world doesn't > > > > > > matter, He doesnt classify bhakti and mantras in this way > > > - " Prasiddha " > > > > > > and " Aprasddha " . > > > > > > > > > > > > In sadhana it's said - " Pratistha Sukari Vistha " , " Greed of fame is > > > > > > like excreta of a pig " , but these guys are making imaginary > > > distinction > > > > > > with " Prasiddha " vs " Aprasiddha " . These guys have no idea of > > > sadhana, > > > > > > instead of learning, they tempt to become " Guru " , Pls take care . > > > > > > > > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, Harihara Krishnan > > > > > > <harih2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rafalji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I came across the below mantra list from an earlier discussion in > > > > > > which you participated. I thought that the Navarna mantra (Om > > > > > > > Aim Hrim Kleem Chamundayai Vichchai) requires initiation. > > > Could you > > > > > > > kindly confirm whether I can chant it without initiation, as I am > > > > > > > searching for Prasiddha mantra remedies for malefic Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, > > > > > > > kindly advise whether the mantra Om Bhurbhuvassuvah > > > Sambasadaashivaaya > > > > > > > Namah (which you prescribed in your website) could be chanted for > > > > > > strengthening lagna Lord Jupiter which is > > > > > > > also in 6th House, or is it the mantra mentioned below (Om Tat > > > Sat) > > > > > > that is most suitable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > > > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prasiddha Mantra (Best advise) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun - Om Namah Shivaaya > > > > > > > Moon - Om Matre Namah > > > > > > > Mars - Om Namo Bhagavate Rudraaya > > > > > > > Mercury - Om Vishnave Namah > > > > > > > Jupiter - Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > Venus - Om namo Lakshmi Narayanaaya > > > > > > > Saturn - Om Namo Naraayanaya > > > > > > > Rahu - Om Aim Hrim Kleem Chamundayai Vichchai > > > > > > > Ketu - Om Ganeshaaya namah > > > > > > > In addition, for Lagna & Karma suddhi: Om namo Bhagavate > > > Vasudevaaya > > > > > > > (Supreme Intelligence) or Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > Always prefer these mantra over others as they will give > > > definite and > > > > > > > good results without any negatives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Dear Suresh Jee, Formal initiation and availabilty of an accomplished Guru is not compulsory for Siddha Mantra. It is a tradition in our country to accept all mantra from Guru through formal initiation as far as possible including the Siddha Mantra or Swatah Siddha Mantras like Shiv Panchakshar Mantra, Ram Tarak Mantra, Pushakala Gayatri Mantra, Navakshari Mantra, reading or prayers etc. etc. Whereas all mantras involving Tantric Kriyas of materialistic nature Shatkarmas ( Sthambhan, Mohan, Marana, Vasya, Uchhatan, Bidraban ) require formal learning form an accomplished Guru to avoid inherent pitfalls of those mantra and kriyas. In our humble opinion Mantra that do not involve Shatkarmas can be experiemented by any bold minded public. Still they are not free from side effects or negative implications. That is where the role of deciding favourableness through astrology comes into. The accomplished Guru decides the suitability of mantra through his /her spiritual powers. Whereas astrology is secular scientific technical tool to determine the suitability of the mantra. The suggestion of astrology as a tool for mantra selection is definitely an alternate tool in the absence of an accomplished Guru for all those mantra not involving Shatkarmas. The procedure of determination of Siddha, Susiddha, Ari, Shatru etc. etc. are also redundant when a Guru is guiding your Mantra Sadhana he/she is takeing care of your complete wellbeing. Guru decides suitability of mantra on the basis of his/her direct knowledge which is far more superior to these techniques. Regards, Mrutyunjay Tripathy (Consultancy out of group is not free) , " Suresh Babu " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Dear Mrithyunjay Ji, > > You have given a slightly new deffinition to the word prasidha & sidha. > > so accordingly those mantras that do not require are " prasidha mantras " . right? > > Let it be any name. You might call them " Prasidha Mantras " , I may call them " sarvani mantras " . It doesn't matter. does it? > > But what matters is what are these so called " Prasidha Mantras " . > What is the classification? > > Are you implying that all mantras that is intended for welfare can be recited by any one WITHOUT Inittiation and those mantras used for destruction like vasyam, marana etc are Aprasidha ONLY need initiation? > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > , " jyotish " <astrologer_mrutyunjay@> wrote: > > > > Dear friend, > > > > Some mantra do not require the formal number of minumum recitation to > > > > obtain Siddhi or success for a specific purpose. > > > > These are called 'Siddha Mantra' or > > > > 'Prasiddha Mantra'. > > > > Others mantra require formal initiation from Guru > > > > who are accomplished in the Mantra. > > > > Probably some members using the term 'Apradissha' for it, as apparent from their message. > > -- > > So far as translation of 'Sarda Tilak' is concerned..... > > > > mantra having two 'varna' of contrasting elements such as fire and water close to each other e.g. Rung(fire), Bung(water) > > > > etc. are devoid of 'sattwik' qualities. > > > > You may notice that the above two are used consecutively > > > > in 'Papa Purusha Samskara' in meditation/ pooja > > > > done in traditional way i.e. self purification purpose. > > -------------------------------- > > > > We should limit our discussion to benefic use of the > > > > 'Siddha Mantras' only. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Mruyunjay Tripathy > > (Consultancy out of group is not free) > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > There is no classification such as prasidha & aprasidha mantras. > > > > > > If the mantras are conform to the Mantras Shastra are sidha mantras. > > > > > > However, once can say that mantras like " Ohm Namo Narayanaaya " , " Ohm Nama Shivaaya " , " Ohm Namo Bhagavate Vaasudevaayaa " are very common and could be recited by anyone with minimum cleanliness. > > > > > > Tantra shatras are many and each lays down their own stipulations for doing Mantra Sadhana. > > > > > > However, it is wrong to think that any or every one can do any mantra sadhana simply because it is written in a Tantra. > > > > > > Mantra Sadhana or tantra ordained for each sect should not be easily done by others simply because a famous person has written about or it is available on the internet. > > > > > > There are Satwic, Rajasic & Tamasic gunas to be considered. > > > > > > Sidha, Sadhya, Su Sidha & Ari sidha classifications also are very important. Each has its own results and the way it should be used. Otherwise the results may not only be expected but turn detrimental to the native. > > > > > > Dwaitha &  Adwaitha form of worship > > > > > > This is complex subject with many factors other than what I have mentioned here. > > > > > > We have had numerous messages here about persons not getting the results of reciting mantras. What more do you require to understand the futility of doing something which every one is not supposed to do or they way they do it. > > > > > > I also see lot of advices for reciting ekakshara mantras. I am not sure about their knowldege in Tantra shatra. > > > > > > However, Sharada Tilaka, a most respected treatise on Tantra / Mantra Shatra says > > > > > > " kooTa ekaaksharo mantraH sa evokto niraMshakaH > > > dvivarNNaH satvaheenaH syaad chaturvarNNastu kekaraH " > > > > > > The mantras with one Akshara are called " Koota " and are Niramsha ie: shobha heena ; with two aksharas are satva heena & 4 aksharas are kekaras. > > > > > > I am not sure whether ekashara mantras are allowed in other Tantras. I shall welcome any such original Pramanas and not the words of any " famous person " has written about it who ever it is.  > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > > > Tue, October 13, 2009 10:13:43 AM > > > Re: Re: Prasiddha mantras > > > > > >  > > > Dear Sirs > > > Dealing with importance of Mnatras,there was an article " Concerning Mantras.May be it is appropritae for me to cite from AStrological Magzine January 1994 written by Prof.K.S.Ramachandr a Rao > > > > > > In the heade topic as Prasiddha Mantras " probably means for siddha mantras.These have been mentioned and grouped as " Siddha Mantras " as they are of ''proven merit.These mantras please note " may use them even when not given by a Guru " Such Mnatras are not " Kamya siddha Mantras. " > > > For a Mantra to be effective in a particular context ''it must be specifically and individually cmmunicated/ given by a Guru. > > > Siddha/Prasiddha Mnatras(?) a group of words or letters can have no controverys of any nature.Then " gurupa desato Mnatrah was mentioned for specifics.Mntra when given by A " is powerful and Mantra   Data " is powerful and fuul of potentialities. > > > In our internet paralance'any mantra will become effective in any stage (of life) when the practice is doubled. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > (For all counseling services) > > >  > > > > > > --- On Mon, 10/12/09, Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> wrote: > > > > > > Rafał Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> > > > Re: Re: Prasiddha mantras > > > > > > Monday, October 12, 2009, 6:35 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > > > Dear utkal, > > > > > > Just before becoming adhikari its good to follow sastra. Your arguments > > > are against logic based on the sastra. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > ------------ -- > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > http://rohinaa. com > > > rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com > > > starsuponme@ wp.pl / > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > One makes secrets and Other endorses, Who among you two, got Mantra > > > > Siddhi, Who is adhikari ? > > > > > > > > ~Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, " jyotish " <astrologer_ > > > > mrutyunjay@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shree Rafal is quite right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is definitely useful in > > > > > > > > > > guiding us towards favourable path > > > > > > > > > > of work. > > > > > > > > > > What is needed is just a little bit of hard work. > > > > > > > > > > Favourableness/ unfavourableness or easy success > > > > > > > > > > for mantra is clearly > > > > > > > > > > indicated in astrological treaties like Prasna Marga, > > > > > > > > > > Sarvartha Chintamani etc. etc. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz > > > > <starsuponme@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > > > > > > Dear Hari > > > > > > > > > > > > If mantra arudha goes to house of the Deva - its prasidha mantra. > > > > This > > > > > > is big secret. > > > > > > > > > > > > You can recite those two mantras. Before that pray to Guru, then Sri > > > > > > Ganesha and ask for forgiveness if you will be destined to make some > > > > > > mistakes during sadhana. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotisha is great tool for picking the right mantra. Otherwise Sri > > > > > > Parasara, Hari Hara (Prashna Marga) wouldnt bother so much to give > > > > > > relation between yoga and particular type of sadhana. > > > > > > > > > > > > Its like various kind of medicines - some are general and give you > > > > much > > > > > > better immune system, some are to-the-point strong medicines. Good > > > > > > Jyotisha can provide both - like good doctor. > > > > > > > > > > > > The worse treat these techniques as unnecessary as an excuse for > > > > being > > > > > > lazy. This is against sastra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > > > ------------ -- > > > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com> > > > > > > rafal@ > > > > > > starsuponme@ / > > > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel free to pick and chant any mantra you like, to do God's > > > > sadhana. > > > > > > > Mantra selection is beoynd capability of a jyotishi, Do not > > > > worry, The > > > > > > > god w'd manifest it's blesssing because of your devotion and > > > > honesty in > > > > > > > your daily dealings with others, try to remain pure in heart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When initiation requires, God w'd take you to right Guru. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At least for God " Prasiddhi " or " Fame " in this small world doesn't > > > > > > > matter, He doesnt classify bhakti and mantras in this way > > > > - " Prasiddha " > > > > > > > and " Aprasddha " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In sadhana it's said - " Pratistha Sukari Vistha " , " Greed of fame is > > > > > > > like excreta of a pig " , but these guys are making imaginary > > > > distinction > > > > > > > with " Prasiddha " vs " Aprasiddha " . These guys have no idea of > > > > sadhana, > > > > > > > instead of learning, they tempt to become " Guru " , Pls take care . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, Harihara Krishnan > > > > > > > <harih2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rafalji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I came across the below mantra list from an earlier discussion in > > > > > > > which you participated. I thought that the Navarna mantra (Om > > > > > > > > Aim Hrim Kleem Chamundayai Vichchai) requires initiation. > > > > Could you > > > > > > > > kindly confirm whether I can chant it without initiation, as I am > > > > > > > > searching for Prasiddha mantra remedies for malefic Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, > > > > > > > > kindly advise whether the mantra Om Bhurbhuvassuvah > > > > Sambasadaashivaaya > > > > > > > > Namah (which you prescribed in your website) could be chanted for > > > > > > > strengthening lagna Lord Jupiter which is > > > > > > > > also in 6th House, or is it the mantra mentioned below (Om Tat > > > > Sat) > > > > > > > that is most suitable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > > > > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prasiddha Mantra (Best advise) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun - Om Namah Shivaaya > > > > > > > > Moon - Om Matre Namah > > > > > > > > Mars - Om Namo Bhagavate Rudraaya > > > > > > > > Mercury - Om Vishnave Namah > > > > > > > > Jupiter - Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > Venus - Om namo Lakshmi Narayanaaya > > > > > > > > Saturn - Om Namo Naraayanaya > > > > > > > > Rahu - Om Aim Hrim Kleem Chamundayai Vichchai > > > > > > > > Ketu - Om Ganeshaaya namah > > > > > > > > In addition, for Lagna & Karma suddhi: Om namo Bhagavate > > > > Vasudevaaya > > > > > > > > (Supreme Intelligence) or Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > Always prefer these mantra over others as they will give > > > > definite and > > > > > > > > good results without any negatives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Dear Mrithyunjay Ji, While I can agree to some of your observations, I cannot so totaly. It is very true that the Shatkarmas need initiation. However, for serious mantra sadhana of other mantras also need initiation to understand what the mantra actually is and what it represents. Unless a person understands this, it becomes simply mechanical recitation and may not get the desired results. " The bold minded " if refered as a person who has the aptitude to understand and make efforts to do so, will be much better.    Jyotisha or Prashna Marga does not give authority to do mantra sadhana. It can't simply because it is outside its perview. jyotish, Prashna Marga and other works also provide a lot regarding to Vasthu. It is only to determine certain factors. But the house is the expert domain of Vastu Shastra. Similarly Tantra Shastra is the Expert domain of Mantras. Even at Ashtamangalya Prashna held at temples, even if there are issues with poojas & rituals or even mantras used, this will be revealed but leave it to the discision of Head Priest of the temple. This is because, Tantra & Agama are their domain and Astrologers however they are proficient will not step into that zone. The only exception will be if the Daivagjna is also a Vaidhika who has the authority to say final word regarding such subjects. In kerala during the time of Prashna Marga and even now, most of the traditional family Astrologers are proficient in other sciences along with Astrology such as Vastu or Ayurveda, Tantra etc. So it is natural that they have written about mantras, ayurveda, vastu etc. And these subjects were mostly handled by brahmins. And NO WHERE it is stated that the native should himself do these mantra sadanas and NO WHERE its stated that " Prasidha " does not require initiation. " tatpraaptirddharmmamuulaattadanu budhakavii shankarasyaabhishekaal chandrashchettadvadevatridivapatigurumantrayantrauShadhiinaam sidhyaa mandaarasuuryaa yadi shikhi tamasii tatra vaMsheshapuujaa kaaryaamnyaayoktariityaa budhagurunavapaaH kshipramevaatra siddhiH " . Shatpanchashika " nyaatoktaritya " is very easy to understand as per nyaya or stiputaled methods. does it mention any where that the native himself should do the rituals?. Prashna Marga as has said many other matters. Why shut eye on those aspects? vedasya chakshuH kila shaastrametal pradhaanataaMgeShu tatosya yuktaa aMgairyuto.anyairapi puruNamuurtti- shchakshurvinaa kaH puruShatvameti.. jyotishshaastravidagdho gaNItapaTurvR^ittavaaMshcha satyavachaaH vinayii vedaadhyaayii grahayajanapaTushcha bhavatu daivaGYaH..  daivavidevaMbhuuto yavadati phalaM shubhaashubhaM praShTuH tatsarvam na cha mithyaa bhavati praaGYaistathaa choktam..  Hence it is better not quote classicals out of context or to serve our ends only.  " paape karmagate tu karmavihatir "  What is use if the native himself doing the rituals if his 10th house is severly afflicted ? Sidha, Sadhya, Susidha, Ari Sidha Are NOT REDUNDENT. They are simply not accounted due to lack of knowledge of how to use it or know its relevence.. Prashna Marga & similar classicals advocate similar schemes in the perview of astrology which are simpler, which does not mean As per Shastra it is redundent. Those who have realy practice Tantra as per shastras knows its importance. And they are not going to write on internet. Most don't even know about Internet. A person who has the sidhi of Mantra, can sense what is required for a disciple. However, Just because he gives initiation into mantras sadhana without checking factors like jyotisha or Sidhaadhi shodana, doe not give others the authority to do so. That is absurd. If Every one could recite mantras just like that what was need for creating Ashtotharas & Sahasranamas. They are equaly powerfull and does not initiation at all But contains all the beejas as well as Mantras. In fact, you look at srutis/ smritis, its is not mantras that acharyas has adviced to recite for common man, but stotras, ashtotharas, sahasranama, sankata mochana stotra rina mochana stotras, to do vritas. May be we not common men. Finaly, If a person is destined to do mantra sadhana and benefit from it, He shall get some how or other at the appropriate time. That is the power of Mantras. A few years back a brahmin family came to me for consulation. After checking their charts and prashna, I declared that they should worship " Yeshoda Krishna "  -Shree Krishna along with his mother, as it is their Kula Devatha. They were surprised and said that a few years back they had visited uttar kasi and were taken to a sadhu by a local. On seeying these elderly couple, the sadhu just gave them a idol of Yeshodha Krishna and asked them to worship it. He also said that they should not stay there with him. I hope you understand what happend & why the sadhu said that they should not come to him. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.    ________________________________ jyotish <astrologer_mrutyunjay Tue, October 13, 2009 3:57:38 PM Re: Prasiddha mantras or Siddha Mantras  Dear Suresh Jee, Formal initiation and availabilty of an accomplished Guru is not compulsory for Siddha Mantra. It is a tradition in our country to accept all mantra from Guru through formal initiation as far as possible including the Siddha Mantra or Swatah Siddha Mantras like Shiv Panchakshar Mantra, Ram Tarak Mantra, Pushakala Gayatri Mantra, Navakshari Mantra, reading or prayers etc. etc. Whereas all mantras involving Tantric Kriyas of materialistic nature Shatkarmas ( Sthambhan, Mohan, Marana, Vasya, Uchhatan, Bidraban ) require formal learning form an accomplished Guru to avoid inherent pitfalls of those mantra and kriyas. In our humble opinion Mantra that do not involve Shatkarmas can be experiemented by any bold minded public. Still they are not free from side effects or negative implications. That is where the role of deciding favourableness through astrology comes into. The accomplished Guru decides the suitability of mantra through his /her spiritual powers. Whereas astrology is secular scientific technical tool to determine the suitability of the mantra. The suggestion of astrology as a tool for mantra selection is definitely an alternate tool in the absence of an accomplished Guru for all those mantra not involving Shatkarmas. The procedure of determination of Siddha, Susiddha, Ari, Shatru etc. etc. are also redundant when a Guru is guiding your Mantra Sadhana he/she is takeing care of your complete wellbeing. Guru decides suitability of mantra on the basis of his/her direct knowledge which is far more superior to these techniques. Regards, Mrutyunjay Tripathy (Consultancy out of group is not free) , " Suresh Babu " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Mrithyunjay Ji, > > You have given a slightly new deffinition to the word prasidha & sidha. > > so accordingly those mantras that do not require are " prasidha mantras " . right? > > Let it be any name. You might call them " Prasidha Mantras " , I may call them " sarvani mantras " . It doesn't matter. does it? > > But what matters is what are these so called " Prasidha Mantras " . > What is the classification? > > Are you implying that all mantras that is intended for welfare can be recited by any one WITHOUT Inittiation and those mantras used for destruction like vasyam, marana etc are Aprasidha ONLY need initiation? > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > , " jyotish " <astrologer_ mrutyunjay@ > wrote: > > > > Dear friend, > > > > Some mantra do not require the formal number of minumum recitation to > > > > obtain Siddhi or success for a specific purpose. > > > > These are called 'Siddha Mantra' or > > > > 'Prasiddha Mantra'. > > > > Others mantra require formal initiation from Guru > > > > who are accomplished in the Mantra. > > > > Probably some members using the term 'Apradissha' for it, as apparent from their message. > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > So far as translation of 'Sarda Tilak' is concerned... .. > > > > mantra having two 'varna' of contrasting elements such as fire and water close to each other e.g. Rung(fire), Bung(water) > > > > etc. are devoid of 'sattwik' qualities. > > > > You may notice that the above two are used consecutively > > > > in 'Papa Purusha Samskara' in meditation/ pooja > > > > done in traditional way i.e. self purification purpose. > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > We should limit our discussion to benefic use of the > > > > 'Siddha Mantras' only. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Mruyunjay Tripathy > > (Consultancy out of group is not free) > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > There is no classification such as prasidha & aprasidha mantras. > > > > > > If the mantras are conform to the Mantras Shastra are sidha mantras. > > > > > > However, once can say that mantras like " Ohm Namo Narayanaaya " , " Ohm Nama Shivaaya " , " Ohm Namo Bhagavate Vaasudevaayaa " are very common and could be recited by anyone with minimum cleanliness. > > > > > > Tantra shatras are many and each lays down their own stipulations for doing Mantra Sadhana. > > > > > > However, it is wrong to think that any or every one can do any mantra sadhana simply because it is written in a Tantra. > > > > > > Mantra Sadhana or tantra ordained for each sect should not be easily done by others simply because a famous person has written about or it is available on the internet. > > > > > > There are Satwic, Rajasic & Tamasic gunas to be considered. > > > > > > Sidha, Sadhya, Su Sidha & Ari sidha classifications also are very important. Each has its own results and the way it should be used. Otherwise the results may not only be expected but turn detrimental to the native. > > > > > > Dwaitha &  Adwaitha form of worship > > > > > > This is complex subject with many factors other than what I have mentioned here. > > > > > > We have had numerous messages here about persons not getting the results of reciting mantras. What more do you require to understand the futility of doing something which every one is not supposed to do or they way they do it. > > > > > > I also see lot of advices for reciting ekakshara mantras. I am not sure about their knowldege in Tantra shatra. > > > > > > However, Sharada Tilaka, a most respected treatise on Tantra / Mantra Shatra says > > > > > > " kooTa ekaaksharo mantraH sa evokto niraMshakaH > > > dvivarNNaH satvaheenaH syaad chaturvarNNastu kekaraH " > > > > > > The mantras with one Akshara are called " Koota " and are Niramsha ie: shobha heena ; with two aksharas are satva heena & 4 aksharas are kekaras. > > > > > > I am not sure whether ekashara mantras are allowed in other Tantras. I shall welcome any such original Pramanas and not the words of any " famous person " has written about it who ever it is.  > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > > > Tue, October 13, 2009 10:13:43 AM > > > Re: Re: Prasiddha mantras > > > > > >  > > > Dear Sirs > > > Dealing with importance of Mnatras,there was an article " Concerning Mantras.May be it is appropritae for me to cite from AStrological Magzine January 1994 written by Prof.K.S.Ramachandr a Rao > > > > > > In the heade topic as Prasiddha Mantras " probably means for siddha mantras.These have been mentioned and grouped as " Siddha Mantras " as they are of ''proven merit.These mantras please note " may use them even when not given by a Guru " Such Mnatras are not " Kamya siddha Mantras. " > > > For a Mantra to be effective in a particular context ''it must be specifically and individually cmmunicated/ given by a Guru. > > > Siddha/Prasiddha Mnatras(?) a group of words or letters can have no controverys of any nature.Then " gurupa desato Mnatrah was mentioned for specifics.Mntra when given by A " is powerful and Mantra   Data " is powerful and fuul of potentialities. > > > In our internet paralance'any mantra will become effective in any stage (of life) when the practice is doubled. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > (For all counseling services) > > >  > > > > > > --- On Mon, 10/12/09, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> wrote: > > > > > > RafaÅ‚ Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> > > > Re: Re: Prasiddha mantras > > > > > > Monday, October 12, 2009, 6:35 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > > > Dear utkal, > > > > > > Just before becoming adhikari its good to follow sastra. Your arguments > > > are against logic based on the sastra. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > ------------ -- > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > http://rohinaa. com > > > rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com > > > starsuponme@ wp.pl / > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > One makes secrets and Other endorses, Who among you two, got Mantra > > > > Siddhi, Who is adhikari ? > > > > > > > > ~Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, " jyotish " <astrologer_ > > > > mrutyunjay@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shree Rafal is quite right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is definitely useful in > > > > > > > > > > guiding us towards favourable path > > > > > > > > > > of work. > > > > > > > > > > What is needed is just a little bit of hard work. > > > > > > > > > > Favourableness/ unfavourableness or easy success > > > > > > > > > > for mantra is clearly > > > > > > > > > > indicated in astrological treaties like Prasna Marga, > > > > > > > > > > Sarvartha Chintamani etc. etc. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz > > > > <starsuponme@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > > > > > > Dear Hari > > > > > > > > > > > > If mantra arudha goes to house of the Deva - its prasidha mantra. > > > > This > > > > > > is big secret. > > > > > > > > > > > > You can recite those two mantras. Before that pray to Guru, then Sri > > > > > > Ganesha and ask for forgiveness if you will be destined to make some > > > > > > mistakes during sadhana. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotisha is great tool for picking the right mantra. Otherwise Sri > > > > > > Parasara, Hari Hara (Prashna Marga) wouldnt bother so much to give > > > > > > relation between yoga and particular type of sadhana. > > > > > > > > > > > > Its like various kind of medicines - some are general and give you > > > > much > > > > > > better immune system, some are to-the-point strong medicines. Good > > > > > > Jyotisha can provide both - like good doctor. > > > > > > > > > > > > The worse treat these techniques as unnecessary as an excuse for > > > > being > > > > > > lazy. This is against sastra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > > > ------------ -- > > > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com> > > > > > > rafal@ > > > > > > starsuponme@ / > > > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel free to pick and chant any mantra you like, to do God's > > > > sadhana. > > > > > > > Mantra selection is beoynd capability of a jyotishi, Do not > > > > worry, The > > > > > > > god w'd manifest it's blesssing because of your devotion and > > > > honesty in > > > > > > > your daily dealings with others, try to remain pure in heart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When initiation requires, God w'd take you to right Guru. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At least for God " Prasiddhi " or " Fame " in this small world doesn't > > > > > > > matter, He doesnt classify bhakti and mantras in this way > > > > - " Prasiddha " > > > > > > > and " Aprasddha " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In sadhana it's said - " Pratistha Sukari Vistha " , " Greed of fame is > > > > > > > like excreta of a pig " , but these guys are making imaginary > > > > distinction > > > > > > > with " Prasiddha " vs " Aprasiddha " . These guys have no idea of > > > > sadhana, > > > > > > > instead of learning, they tempt to become " Guru " , Pls take care . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, Harihara Krishnan > > > > > > > <harih2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rafalji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I came across the below mantra list from an earlier discussion in > > > > > > > which you participated. I thought that the Navarna mantra (Om > > > > > > > > Aim Hrim Kleem Chamundayai Vichchai) requires initiation. > > > > Could you > > > > > > > > kindly confirm whether I can chant it without initiation, as I am > > > > > > > > searching for Prasiddha mantra remedies for malefic Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, > > > > > > > > kindly advise whether the mantra Om Bhurbhuvassuvah > > > > Sambasadaashivaaya > > > > > > > > Namah (which you prescribed in your website) could be chanted for > > > > > > > strengthening lagna Lord Jupiter which is > > > > > > > > also in 6th House, or is it the mantra mentioned below (Om Tat > > > > Sat) > > > > > > > that is most suitable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > > > > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prasiddha Mantra (Best advise) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun - Om Namah Shivaaya > > > > > > > > Moon - Om Matre Namah > > > > > > > > Mars - Om Namo Bhagavate Rudraaya > > > > > > > > Mercury - Om Vishnave Namah > > > > > > > > Jupiter - Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > Venus - Om namo Lakshmi Narayanaaya > > > > > > > > Saturn - Om Namo Naraayanaya > > > > > > > > Rahu - Om Aim Hrim Kleem Chamundayai Vichchai > > > > > > > > Ketu - Om Ganeshaaya namah > > > > > > > > In addition, for Lagna & Karma suddhi: Om namo Bhagavate > > > > Vasudevaaya > > > > > > > > (Supreme Intelligence) or Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > Always prefer these mantra over others as they will give > > > > definite and > > > > > > > > good results without any negatives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 A mantra, sidha or prasidha has its effect irrespective of being initiated or not. But the result may be be not favourable as it is not being aligned and controlled by guru. A guru knows what combination is to be given for whom and the guru gets the right mantra from the divine directly. this is the process. for eg, if I need to get initiation for srividya , then the guru need to get the go ahead from Rajarajeswari. only then he will give the initiation. this s because all people do not qualify for mantra upadesh at all times. this si a godly/divine realisation of the god. Secondly as stated, if a person starts chanting a mantra , whether it is sidha or prasidha, the deity shall start devouring the indriyas of the particular person and may also give him some benefits, the result of which the sadhak minds wanders and he stand to lose bodily health and and the mantra shakthi. imagine if somebody starts chanting on yakshini without guru upadesh. she will do him unto death. so plz be catious while publising such messages. it may mislead. best is guru upadesh. lets stick to it. SR Rajkumar rajkumar_v3 --- On Tue, 10/13/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote: Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag Re: Re: Prasiddha mantras or Siddha Mantras Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 11:19 PM  Dear Mrithyunjay Ji, While I can agree to some of your observations, I cannot so totaly. It is very true that the Shatkarmas need initiation. However, for serious mantra sadhana of other mantras also need initiation to understand what the mantra actually is and what it represents. Unless a person understands this, it becomes simply mechanical recitation and may not get the desired results. " The bold minded " if refered as a person who has the aptitude to understand and make efforts to do so, will be much better.    Jyotisha or Prashna Marga does not give authority to do mantra sadhana. It can't simply because it is outside its perview. jyotish, Prashna Marga and other works also provide a lot regarding to Vasthu. It is only to determine certain factors. But the house is the expert domain of Vastu Shastra. Similarly Tantra Shastra is the Expert domain of Mantras. Even at Ashtamangalya Prashna held at temples, even if there are issues with poojas & rituals or even mantras used, this will be revealed but leave it to the discision of Head Priest of the temple. This is because, Tantra & Agama are their domain and Astrologers however they are proficient will not step into that zone. The only exception will be if the Daivagjna is also a Vaidhika who has the authority to say final word regarding such subjects. In kerala during the time of Prashna Marga and even now, most of the traditional family Astrologers are proficient in other sciences along with Astrology such as Vastu or Ayurveda, Tantra etc. So it is natural that they have written about mantras, ayurveda, vastu etc. And these subjects were mostly handled by brahmins. And NO WHERE it is stated that the native should himself do these mantra sadanas and NO WHERE its stated that " Prasidha " does not require initiation. " tatpraaptirddharmm amuulaattadanu budhakavii shankarasyaabhishek aal chandrashchettadvad evatridivapatigu rumantrayantrauS hadhiinaam sidhyaa mandaarasuuryaa yadi shikhi tamasii tatra vaMsheshapuujaa kaaryaamnyaayoktari ityaa budhagurunavapaaH kshipramevaatra siddhiH " . Shatpanchashika " nyaatoktaritya " is very easy to understand as per nyaya or stiputaled methods. does it mention any where that the native himself should do the rituals?. Prashna Marga as has said many other matters. Why shut eye on those aspects? vedasya chakshuH kila shaastrametal pradhaanataaMgeShu tatosya yuktaa aMgairyuto.anyairap i puruNamuurtti- shchakshurvinaa kaH puruShatvameti. . jyotishshaastravida gdho gaNItapaTurvR^ ittavaaMshcha satyavachaaH vinayii vedaadhyaayii grahayajanapaTushch a bhavatu daivaGYaH..  daivavidevaMbhuuto yavadati phalaM shubhaashubhaM praShTuH tatsarvam na cha mithyaa bhavati praaGYaistathaa choktam..  Hence it is better not quote classicals out of context or to serve our ends only.  " paape karmagate tu karmavihatir "  What is use if the native himself doing the rituals if his 10th house is severly afflicted ? Sidha, Sadhya, Susidha, Ari Sidha Are NOT REDUNDENT. They are simply not accounted due to lack of knowledge of how to use it or know its relevence.. Prashna Marga & similar classicals advocate similar schemes in the perview of astrology which are simpler, which does not mean As per Shastra it is redundent. Those who have realy practice Tantra as per shastras knows its importance. And they are not going to write on internet. Most don't even know about Internet. A person who has the sidhi of Mantra, can sense what is required for a disciple. However, Just because he gives initiation into mantras sadhana without checking factors like jyotisha or Sidhaadhi shodana, doe not give others the authority to do so. That is absurd. If Every one could recite mantras just like that what was need for creating Ashtotharas & Sahasranamas. They are equaly powerfull and does not initiation at all But contains all the beejas as well as Mantras. In fact, you look at srutis/ smritis, its is not mantras that acharyas has adviced to recite for common man, but stotras, ashtotharas, sahasranama, sankata mochana stotra rina mochana stotras, to do vritas. May be we not common men. Finaly, If a person is destined to do mantra sadhana and benefit from it, He shall get some how or other at the appropriate time. That is the power of Mantras. A few years back a brahmin family came to me for consulation. After checking their charts and prashna, I declared that they should worship " Yeshoda Krishna "  -Shree Krishna along with his mother, as it is their Kula Devatha. They were surprised and said that a few years back they had visited uttar kasi and were taken to a sadhu by a local. On seeying these elderly couple, the sadhu just gave them a idol of Yeshodha Krishna and asked them to worship it. He also said that they should not stay there with him. I hope you understand what happend & why the sadhu said that they should not come to him. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.    ____________ _________ _________ __ jyotish <astrologer_mrutyunj ay > Tue, October 13, 2009 3:57:38 PM Re: Prasiddha mantras or Siddha Mantras  Dear Suresh Jee, Formal initiation and availabilty of an accomplished Guru is not compulsory for Siddha Mantra. It is a tradition in our country to accept all mantra from Guru through formal initiation as far as possible including the Siddha Mantra or Swatah Siddha Mantras like Shiv Panchakshar Mantra, Ram Tarak Mantra, Pushakala Gayatri Mantra, Navakshari Mantra, reading or prayers etc. etc. Whereas all mantras involving Tantric Kriyas of materialistic nature Shatkarmas ( Sthambhan, Mohan, Marana, Vasya, Uchhatan, Bidraban ) require formal learning form an accomplished Guru to avoid inherent pitfalls of those mantra and kriyas. In our humble opinion Mantra that do not involve Shatkarmas can be experiemented by any bold minded public. Still they are not free from side effects or negative implications. That is where the role of deciding favourableness through astrology comes into. The accomplished Guru decides the suitability of mantra through his /her spiritual powers. Whereas astrology is secular scientific technical tool to determine the suitability of the mantra. The suggestion of astrology as a tool for mantra selection is definitely an alternate tool in the absence of an accomplished Guru for all those mantra not involving Shatkarmas. The procedure of determination of Siddha, Susiddha, Ari, Shatru etc. etc. are also redundant when a Guru is guiding your Mantra Sadhana he/she is takeing care of your complete wellbeing. Guru decides suitability of mantra on the basis of his/her direct knowledge which is far more superior to these techniques. Regards, Mrutyunjay Tripathy (Consultancy out of group is not free) , " Suresh Babu " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Mrithyunjay Ji, > > You have given a slightly new deffinition to the word prasidha & sidha. > > so accordingly those mantras that do not require are " prasidha mantras " . right? > > Let it be any name. You might call them " Prasidha Mantras " , I may call them " sarvani mantras " . It doesn't matter. does it? > > But what matters is what are these so called " Prasidha Mantras " . > What is the classification? > > Are you implying that all mantras that is intended for welfare can be recited by any one WITHOUT Inittiation and those mantras used for destruction like vasyam, marana etc are Aprasidha ONLY need initiation? > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > , " jyotish " <astrologer_ mrutyunjay@ > wrote: > > > > Dear friend, > > > > Some mantra do not require the formal number of minumum recitation to > > > > obtain Siddhi or success for a specific purpose. > > > > These are called 'Siddha Mantra' or > > > > 'Prasiddha Mantra'. > > > > Others mantra require formal initiation from Guru > > > > who are accomplished in the Mantra. > > > > Probably some members using the term 'Apradissha' for it, as apparent from their message. > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > So far as translation of 'Sarda Tilak' is concerned... .. > > > > mantra having two 'varna' of contrasting elements such as fire and water close to each other e.g. Rung(fire), Bung(water) > > > > etc. are devoid of 'sattwik' qualities. > > > > You may notice that the above two are used consecutively > > > > in 'Papa Purusha Samskara' in meditation/ pooja > > > > done in traditional way i.e. self purification purpose. > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > We should limit our discussion to benefic use of the > > > > 'Siddha Mantras' only. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Mruyunjay Tripathy > > (Consultancy out of group is not free) > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > There is no classification such as prasidha & aprasidha mantras. > > > > > > If the mantras are conform to the Mantras Shastra are sidha mantras. > > > > > > However, once can say that mantras like " Ohm Namo Narayanaaya " , " Ohm Nama Shivaaya " , " Ohm Namo Bhagavate Vaasudevaayaa " are very common and could be recited by anyone with minimum cleanliness. > > > > > > Tantra shatras are many and each lays down their own stipulations for doing Mantra Sadhana. > > > > > > However, it is wrong to think that any or every one can do any mantra sadhana simply because it is written in a Tantra. > > > > > > Mantra Sadhana or tantra ordained for each sect should not be easily done by others simply because a famous person has written about or it is available on the internet. > > > > > > There are Satwic, Rajasic & Tamasic gunas to be considered. > > > > > > Sidha, Sadhya, Su Sidha & Ari sidha classifications also are very important. Each has its own results and the way it should be used. Otherwise the results may not only be expected but turn detrimental to the native. > > > > > > Dwaitha &  Adwaitha form of worship > > > > > > This is complex subject with many factors other than what I have mentioned here. > > > > > > We have had numerous messages here about persons not getting the results of reciting mantras. What more do you require to understand the futility of doing something which every one is not supposed to do or they way they do it. > > > > > > I also see lot of advices for reciting ekakshara mantras. I am not sure about their knowldege in Tantra shatra. > > > > > > However, Sharada Tilaka, a most respected treatise on Tantra / Mantra Shatra says > > > > > > " kooTa ekaaksharo mantraH sa evokto niraMshakaH > > > dvivarNNaH satvaheenaH syaad chaturvarNNastu kekaraH " > > > > > > The mantras with one Akshara are called " Koota " and are Niramsha ie: shobha heena ; with two aksharas are satva heena & 4 aksharas are kekaras. > > > > > > I am not sure whether ekashara mantras are allowed in other Tantras. I shall welcome any such original Pramanas and not the words of any " famous person " has written about it who ever it is.  > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > > > Tue, October 13, 2009 10:13:43 AM > > > Re: Re: Prasiddha mantras > > > > > >  > > > Dear Sirs > > > Dealing with importance of Mnatras,there was an article " Concerning Mantras.May be it is appropritae for me to cite from AStrological Magzine January 1994 written by Prof.K.S.Ramachandr a Rao > > > > > > In the heade topic as Prasiddha Mantras " probably means for siddha mantras.These have been mentioned and grouped as " Siddha Mantras " as they are of ''proven merit.These mantras please note " may use them even when not given by a Guru " Such Mnatras are not " Kamya siddha Mantras. " > > > For a Mantra to be effective in a particular context ''it must be specifically and individually cmmunicated/ given by a Guru. > > > Siddha/Prasiddha Mnatras(?) a group of words or letters can have no controverys of any nature.Then " gurupa desato Mnatrah was mentioned for specifics.Mntra when given by A " is powerful and Mantra   Data " is powerful and fuul of potentialities. > > > In our internet paralance'any mantra will become effective in any stage (of life) when the practice is doubled. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > (For all counseling services) > > >  > > > > > > --- On Mon, 10/12/09, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> wrote: > > > > > > RafaÅ‚ Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> > > > Re: Re: Prasiddha mantras > > > > > > Monday, October 12, 2009, 6:35 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > > > Dear utkal, > > > > > > Just before becoming adhikari its good to follow sastra. Your arguments > > > are against logic based on the sastra. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > ------------ -- > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > http://rohinaa. com > > > rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com > > > starsuponme@ wp.pl / > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > One makes secrets and Other endorses, Who among you two, got Mantra > > > > Siddhi, Who is adhikari ? > > > > > > > > ~Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, " jyotish " <astrologer_ > > > > mrutyunjay@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shree Rafal is quite right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is definitely useful in > > > > > > > > > > guiding us towards favourable path > > > > > > > > > > of work. > > > > > > > > > > What is needed is just a little bit of hard work. > > > > > > > > > > Favourableness/ unfavourableness or easy success > > > > > > > > > > for mantra is clearly > > > > > > > > > > indicated in astrological treaties like Prasna Marga, > > > > > > > > > > Sarvartha Chintamani etc. etc. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz > > > > <starsuponme@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > > > > > > Dear Hari > > > > > > > > > > > > If mantra arudha goes to house of the Deva - its prasidha mantra. > > > > This > > > > > > is big secret. > > > > > > > > > > > > You can recite those two mantras. Before that pray to Guru, then Sri > > > > > > Ganesha and ask for forgiveness if you will be destined to make some > > > > > > mistakes during sadhana. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotisha is great tool for picking the right mantra. Otherwise Sri > > > > > > Parasara, Hari Hara (Prashna Marga) wouldnt bother so much to give > > > > > > relation between yoga and particular type of sadhana. > > > > > > > > > > > > Its like various kind of medicines - some are general and give you > > > > much > > > > > > better immune system, some are to-the-point strong medicines. Good > > > > > > Jyotisha can provide both - like good doctor. > > > > > > > > > > > > The worse treat these techniques as unnecessary as an excuse for > > > > being > > > > > > lazy. This is against sastra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > > > ------------ -- > > > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com> > > > > > > rafal@ > > > > > > starsuponme@ / > > > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel free to pick and chant any mantra you like, to do God's > > > > sadhana. > > > > > > > Mantra selection is beoynd capability of a jyotishi, Do not > > > > worry, The > > > > > > > god w'd manifest it's blesssing because of your devotion and > > > > honesty in > > > > > > > your daily dealings with others, try to remain pure in heart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When initiation requires, God w'd take you to right Guru. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At least for God " Prasiddhi " or " Fame " in this small world doesn't > > > > > > > matter, He doesnt classify bhakti and mantras in this way > > > > - " Prasiddha " > > > > > > > and " Aprasddha " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In sadhana it's said - " Pratistha Sukari Vistha " , " Greed of fame is > > > > > > > like excreta of a pig " , but these guys are making imaginary > > > > distinction > > > > > > > with " Prasiddha " vs " Aprasiddha " . These guys have no idea of > > > > sadhana, > > > > > > > instead of learning, they tempt to become " Guru " , Pls take care . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, Harihara Krishnan > > > > > > > <harih2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rafalji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I came across the below mantra list from an earlier discussion in > > > > > > > which you participated. I thought that the Navarna mantra (Om > > > > > > > > Aim Hrim Kleem Chamundayai Vichchai) requires initiation. > > > > Could you > > > > > > > > kindly confirm whether I can chant it without initiation, as I am > > > > > > > > searching for Prasiddha mantra remedies for malefic Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, > > > > > > > > kindly advise whether the mantra Om Bhurbhuvassuvah > > > > Sambasadaashivaaya > > > > > > > > Namah (which you prescribed in your website) could be chanted for > > > > > > > strengthening lagna Lord Jupiter which is > > > > > > > > also in 6th House, or is it the mantra mentioned below (Om Tat > > > > Sat) > > > > > > > that is most suitable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > > > > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prasiddha Mantra (Best advise) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun - Om Namah Shivaaya > > > > > > > > Moon - Om Matre Namah > > > > > > > > Mars - Om Namo Bhagavate Rudraaya > > > > > > > > Mercury - Om Vishnave Namah > > > > > > > > Jupiter - Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > Venus - Om namo Lakshmi Narayanaaya > > > > > > > > Saturn - Om Namo Naraayanaya > > > > > > > > Rahu - Om Aim Hrim Kleem Chamundayai Vichchai > > > > > > > > Ketu - Om Ganeshaaya namah > > > > > > > > In addition, for Lagna & Karma suddhi: Om namo Bhagavate > > > > Vasudevaaya > > > > > > > > (Supreme Intelligence) or Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > Always prefer these mantra over others as they will give > > > > definite and > > > > > > > > good results without any negatives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Looks, They want to decide everything, everything in mundane and spiritual, every thing in life and after life... Unless one doesnt take initiation, they will block mantra's functioning, may be in their posts to ...!! Is it all for making more share in astro market ? regards, Utkal.. , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Dear Mrithyunjay Ji, > > While I can agree to some of your observations, I cannot so totaly. > > It is very true that the Shatkarmas need initiation. > > However, for serious mantra sadhana of other mantras also need initiation to understand what the mantra actually is and what it represents. Unless a person understands this, it becomes simply mechanical recitation and may not get the desired results. > > " The bold minded " if refered as a person who has the aptitude to understand and make efforts to do so, will be much better.    > > Jyotisha or Prashna Marga does not give authority to do mantra sadhana. It can't simply because it is outside its perview. jyotish, Prashna Marga and other works also provide a lot regarding to Vasthu. It is only to determine certain factors. But the house is the expert domain of Vastu Shastra. > > Similarly Tantra Shastra is the Expert domain of Mantras. > > Even at Ashtamangalya Prashna held at temples, even if there are issues with poojas & rituals or even mantras used, this will be revealed but leave it to the discision of Head Priest of the temple. This is because, Tantra & Agama are their domain and Astrologers however they are proficient will not step into that zone. The only exception will be if the Daivagjna is also a Vaidhika who has the authority to say final word regarding such subjects. > > In kerala during the time of Prashna Marga and even now, most of the traditional family Astrologers are proficient in other sciences along with Astrology such as Vastu or Ayurveda, Tantra etc. So it is natural that they have written about mantras, ayurveda, vastu etc. And these subjects were mostly handled by brahmins. And NO WHERE it is stated that the native should himself do these mantra sadanas and NO WHERE its stated that " Prasidha " does not require initiation. > > " tatpraaptirddharmmamuulaattadanu budhakavii shankarasyaabhishekaal > chandrashchettadvadevatridivapatigurumantrayantrauShadhiinaam > sidhyaa mandaarasuuryaa yadi shikhi tamasii tatra vaMsheshapuujaa > kaaryaamnyaayoktariityaa budhagurunavapaaH kshipramevaatra siddhiH " . > Shatpanchashika > " nyaatoktaritya " is very easy to understand as per nyaya or stiputaled methods. does it mention any where that the native himself should do the rituals?. > > Prashna Marga as has said many other matters. Why shut eye on those aspects? > vedasya chakshuH kila shaastrametal > pradhaanataaMgeShu tatosya yuktaa > aMgairyuto.anyairapi puruNamuurtti- > shchakshurvinaa kaH puruShatvameti.. > jyotishshaastravidagdho gaNItapaTurvR^ittavaaMshcha satyavachaaH > vinayii vedaadhyaayii grahayajanapaTushcha bhavatu daivaGYaH..  > daivavidevaMbhuuto yavadati phalaM shubhaashubhaM praShTuH > tatsarvam na cha mithyaa bhavati praaGYaistathaa choktam.. >  > Hence it is better not quote classicals out of context or to serve our ends only. >  > " paape karmagate tu karmavihatir " > >  What is use if the native himself doing the rituals if his 10th house is severly afflicted ? > > Sidha, Sadhya, Susidha, Ari Sidha Are NOT REDUNDENT. They are simply not accounted due to lack of knowledge of how to use it or know its relevence.. Prashna Marga & similar classicals advocate similar schemes in the perview of astrology which are simpler, which does not mean As per Shastra it is redundent. Those who have realy practice Tantra as per shastras knows its importance. And they are not going to write on internet. Most don't even know about Internet. > > A person who has the sidhi of Mantra, can sense what is required for a disciple. However, Just because he gives initiation into mantras sadhana without checking factors like jyotisha or Sidhaadhi shodana, doe not give others the authority to do so. That is absurd. > > If Every one could recite mantras just like that what was need for creating Ashtotharas & Sahasranamas. They are equaly powerfull and does not initiation at all But contains all the beejas as well as Mantras. > > In fact, you look at srutis/ smritis, its is not mantras that acharyas has adviced to recite for common man, but stotras, ashtotharas, sahasranama, sankata mochana stotra rina mochana stotras, to do vritas. May be we not common men. > > Finaly, If a person is destined to do mantra sadhana and benefit from it, He shall get some how or other at the appropriate time. That is the power of Mantras. > > A few years back a brahmin family came to me for consulation. After checking their charts and prashna, I declared that they should worship " Yeshoda Krishna "  -Shree Krishna along with his mother, as it is their Kula Devatha. They were surprised and said that a few years back they had visited uttar kasi and were taken to a sadhu by a local. On seeying these elderly couple, the sadhu just gave them a idol of Yeshodha Krishna and asked them to worship it. He also said that they should not stay there with him. > > I hope you understand what happend & why the sadhu said that they should not come to him. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. > > > > > >    > > > > ________________________________ > jyotish <astrologer_mrutyunjay > > Tue, October 13, 2009 3:57:38 PM > Re: Prasiddha mantras or Siddha Mantras > >  > Dear Suresh Jee, > > Formal initiation and availabilty of > > an accomplished Guru is not compulsory for Siddha Mantra. > > It is a tradition in our country to accept all mantra from Guru > > through formal initiation as far as possible including the > > Siddha Mantra or Swatah Siddha Mantras like > > Shiv Panchakshar Mantra, Ram Tarak Mantra, Pushakala Gayatri Mantra, > > Navakshari Mantra, reading or prayers etc. etc. > > Whereas all mantras involving Tantric Kriyas of materialistic nature Shatkarmas ( Sthambhan, Mohan, Marana, Vasya, Uchhatan, Bidraban ) > > require formal learning form an accomplished Guru > > to avoid inherent pitfalls of those mantra and kriyas. > > In our humble opinion Mantra that do not involve Shatkarmas > > can be experiemented by any bold minded public. > > Still they are not free from side effects or negative implications. > > That is where the role of deciding favourableness through astrology comes into. > > The accomplished Guru decides the suitability of mantra through his /her spiritual powers. > > Whereas astrology is secular scientific technical tool to determine the suitability of the mantra. > > The suggestion of astrology as a tool for mantra selection is > > definitely an alternate tool in the absence of an accomplished Guru > > for all those mantra not involving Shatkarmas. > > The procedure of determination of Siddha, Susiddha, Ari, Shatru etc. etc. are also redundant > > when a Guru is guiding your Mantra Sadhana > > he/she is takeing care of your complete wellbeing. > > Guru decides suitability of mantra on the basis of his/her direct knowledge which is far more superior to > > these techniques. > > Regards, > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy > (Consultancy out of group is not free) > > , " Suresh Babu " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Mrithyunjay Ji, > > > > You have given a slightly new deffinition to the word prasidha & sidha. > > > > so accordingly those mantras that do not require are " prasidha mantras " . right? > > > > Let it be any name. You might call them " Prasidha Mantras " , I may call them " sarvani mantras " . It doesn't matter. does it? > > > > But what matters is what are these so called " Prasidha Mantras " . > > What is the classification? > > > > Are you implying that all mantras that is intended for welfare can be recited by any one WITHOUT Inittiation and those mantras used for destruction like vasyam, marana etc are Aprasidha ONLY need initiation? > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " jyotish " <astrologer_ mrutyunjay@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > Some mantra do not require the formal number of minumum recitation to > > > > > > obtain Siddhi or success for a specific purpose. > > > > > > These are called 'Siddha Mantra' or > > > > > > 'Prasiddha Mantra'. > > > > > > Others mantra require formal initiation from Guru > > > > > > who are accomplished in the Mantra. > > > > > > Probably some members using the term 'Apradissha' for it, as apparent from their message. > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > So far as translation of 'Sarda Tilak' is concerned... .. > > > > > > mantra having two 'varna' of contrasting elements such as fire and water close to each other e.g. Rung(fire), Bung(water) > > > > > > etc. are devoid of 'sattwik' qualities. > > > > > > You may notice that the above two are used consecutively > > > > > > in 'Papa Purusha Samskara' in meditation/ pooja > > > > > > done in traditional way i.e. self purification purpose. > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > We should limit our discussion to benefic use of the > > > > > > 'Siddha Mantras' only. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Mruyunjay Tripathy > > > (Consultancy out of group is not free) > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > There is no classification such as prasidha & aprasidha mantras. > > > > > > > > If the mantras are conform to the Mantras Shastra are sidha mantras. > > > > > > > > However, once can say that mantras like " Ohm Namo Narayanaaya " , " Ohm Nama Shivaaya " , " Ohm Namo Bhagavate Vaasudevaayaa " are very common and could be recited by anyone with minimum cleanliness. > > > > > > > > Tantra shatras are many and each lays down their own stipulations for doing Mantra Sadhana. > > > > > > > > However, it is wrong to think that any or every one can do any mantra sadhana simply because it is written in a Tantra. > > > > > > > > Mantra Sadhana or tantra ordained for each sect should not be easily done by others simply because a famous person has written about or it is available on the internet. > > > > > > > > There are Satwic, Rajasic & Tamasic gunas to be considered. > > > > > > > > Sidha, Sadhya, Su Sidha & Ari sidha classifications also are very important. Each has its own results and the way it should be used. Otherwise the results may not only be expected but turn detrimental to the native. > > > > > > > > Dwaitha &  Adwaitha form of worship > > > > > > > > This is complex subject with many factors other than what I have mentioned here. > > > > > > > > We have had numerous messages here about persons not getting the results of reciting mantras. What more do you require to understand the futility of doing something which every one is not supposed to do or they way they do it. > > > > > > > > I also see lot of advices for reciting ekakshara mantras. I am not sure about their knowldege in Tantra shatra. > > > > > > > > However, Sharada Tilaka, a most respected treatise on Tantra / Mantra Shatra says > > > > > > > > " kooTa ekaaksharo mantraH sa evokto niraMshakaH > > > > dvivarNNaH satvaheenaH syaad chaturvarNNastu kekaraH " > > > > > > > > The mantras with one Akshara are called " Koota " and are Niramsha ie: shobha heena ; with two aksharas are satva heena & 4 aksharas are kekaras. > > > > > > > > I am not sure whether ekashara mantras are allowed in other Tantras. I shall welcome any such original Pramanas and not the words of any " famous person " has written about it who ever it is.  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. > > > > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > > > > > Tue, October 13, 2009 10:13:43 AM > > > > Re: Re: Prasiddha mantras > > > > > > > >  > > > > Dear Sirs > > > > Dealing with importance of Mnatras,there was an article " Concerning Mantras.May be it is appropritae for me to cite from AStrological Magzine January 1994 written by Prof.K.S.Ramachandr a Rao > > > > > > > > In the heade topic as Prasiddha Mantras " probably means for siddha mantras.These have been mentioned and grouped as " Siddha Mantras " as they are of ''proven merit.These mantras please note " may use them even when not given by a Guru " Such Mnatras are not " Kamya siddha Mantras. " > > > > For a Mantra to be effective in a particular context ''it must be specifically and individually cmmunicated/ given by a Guru. > > > > Siddha/Prasiddha Mnatras(?) a group of words or letters can have no controverys of any nature.Then " gurupa desato Mnatrah was mentioned for specifics.Mntra when given by A " is powerful and Mantra   Data " is powerful and fuul of potentialities. > > > > In our internet paralance'any mantra will become effective in any stage (of life) when the practice is doubled. > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > >  > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 10/12/09, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> wrote: > > > > > > > > RafaÅ‚ Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> > > > > Re: Re: Prasiddha mantras > > > > > > > > Monday, October 12, 2009, 6:35 PM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > > > > Dear utkal, > > > > > > > > Just before becoming adhikari its good to follow sastra. Your arguments > > > > are against logic based on the sastra. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > ------------ -- > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > http://rohinaa. com > > > > rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com > > > > starsuponme@ wp.pl / > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One makes secrets and Other endorses, Who among you two, got Mantra > > > > > Siddhi, Who is adhikari ? > > > > > > > > > > ~Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, " jyotish " <astrologer_ > > > > > mrutyunjay@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shree Rafal is quite right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is definitely useful in > > > > > > > > > > > > guiding us towards favourable path > > > > > > > > > > > > of work. > > > > > > > > > > > > What is needed is just a little bit of hard work. > > > > > > > > > > > > Favourableness/ unfavourableness or easy success > > > > > > > > > > > > for mantra is clearly > > > > > > > > > > > > indicated in astrological treaties like Prasna Marga, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sarvartha Chintamani etc. etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz > > > > > <starsuponme@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > > > > > > > Dear Hari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If mantra arudha goes to house of the Deva - its prasidha mantra. > > > > > This > > > > > > > is big secret. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can recite those two mantras. Before that pray to Guru, then Sri > > > > > > > Ganesha and ask for forgiveness if you will be destined to make some > > > > > > > mistakes during sadhana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotisha is great tool for picking the right mantra. Otherwise Sri > > > > > > > Parasara, Hari Hara (Prashna Marga) wouldnt bother so much to give > > > > > > > relation between yoga and particular type of sadhana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its like various kind of medicines - some are general and give you > > > > > much > > > > > > > better immune system, some are to-the-point strong medicines. Good > > > > > > > Jyotisha can provide both - like good doctor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The worse treat these techniques as unnecessary as an excuse for > > > > > being > > > > > > > lazy. This is against sastra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > > > > ------------ -- > > > > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com> > > > > > > > rafal@ > > > > > > > starsuponme@ / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel free to pick and chant any mantra you like, to do God's > > > > > sadhana. > > > > > > > > Mantra selection is beoynd capability of a jyotishi, Do not > > > > > worry, The > > > > > > > > god w'd manifest it's blesssing because of your devotion and > > > > > honesty in > > > > > > > > your daily dealings with others, try to remain pure in heart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When initiation requires, God w'd take you to right Guru. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At least for God " Prasiddhi " or " Fame " in this small world doesn't > > > > > > > > matter, He doesnt classify bhakti and mantras in this way > > > > > - " Prasiddha " > > > > > > > > and " Aprasddha " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In sadhana it's said - " Pratistha Sukari Vistha " , " Greed of fame is > > > > > > > > like excreta of a pig " , but these guys are making imaginary > > > > > distinction > > > > > > > > with " Prasiddha " vs " Aprasiddha " . These guys have no idea of > > > > > sadhana, > > > > > > > > instead of learning, they tempt to become " Guru " , Pls take care .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, Harihara Krishnan > > > > > > > > <harih2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rafalji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I came across the below mantra list from an earlier discussion in > > > > > > > > which you participated. I thought that the Navarna mantra (Om > > > > > > > > > Aim Hrim Kleem Chamundayai Vichchai) requires initiation. > > > > > Could you > > > > > > > > > kindly confirm whether I can chant it without initiation, as I am > > > > > > > > > searching for Prasiddha mantra remedies for malefic Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, > > > > > > > > > kindly advise whether the mantra Om Bhurbhuvassuvah > > > > > Sambasadaashivaaya > > > > > > > > > Namah (which you prescribed in your website) could be chanted for > > > > > > > > strengthening lagna Lord Jupiter which is > > > > > > > > > also in 6th House, or is it the mantra mentioned below (Om Tat > > > > > Sat) > > > > > > > > that is most suitable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > > > > > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prasiddha Mantra (Best advise) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun - Om Namah Shivaaya > > > > > > > > > Moon - Om Matre Namah > > > > > > > > > Mars - Om Namo Bhagavate Rudraaya > > > > > > > > > Mercury - Om Vishnave Namah > > > > > > > > > Jupiter - Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > Venus - Om namo Lakshmi Narayanaaya > > > > > > > > > Saturn - Om Namo Naraayanaya > > > > > > > > > Rahu - Om Aim Hrim Kleem Chamundayai Vichchai > > > > > > > > > Ketu - Om Ganeshaaya namah > > > > > > > > > In addition, for Lagna & Karma suddhi: Om namo Bhagavate > > > > > Vasudevaaya > > > > > > > > > (Supreme Intelligence) or Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > > Always prefer these mantra over others as they will give > > > > > definite and > > > > > > > > > good results without any negatives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 there are different way of functioning of different mantras, when you chant god's mantra, you seek his blessings,unknowingly, you clean clouds of your karma on your's chitta with divine help, once cleaning is done, you find god has listened to you and your life has got a meaning as well as success. when you chant an yakschini mantra, you invest your will power to attract her then win her, in case, you do not have that potential in you, your mantra will be a failure as your call will not pull an yakschini. no harm happens even with such a mantra chanting, because, without a mantra channel, yakschini can not come to you, if you are scared switch the TV off, i mean, stop chanting yakschini mantra. as simple as that. I had experimented with yakschini mantra, much stupidity is tagged with myths of yakschini. Utkal. , " SR.Rajkumar " <rajkumar_v3 wrote: > > A mantra, sidha or prasidha has its effect irrespective of being initiated or not. But the result may be be not favourable as it is not being aligned and controlled by guru. A guru knows what combination is to be given for whom and the guru gets the right mantra from the divine directly. this is the process. for eg, if I need to get initiation for srividya , then the guru need to get the go ahead from Rajarajeswari. only then he will give the initiation. this s because all people do not qualify for mantra upadesh at all times. this si a godly/divine realisation of the god. > Secondly as stated, if a person starts chanting a mantra , whether it is sidha or prasidha, the deity shall start devouring the indriyas of the particular person and may also give him some benefits, the result of which the sadhak minds wanders and he stand to lose bodily health and and the mantra shakthi. imagine if somebody starts chanting on yakshini without guru upadesh. she will do him unto death. so plz be catious while publising such messages. it may mislead. > best is guru upadesh. lets stick to it. > > > > SR Rajkumar > rajkumar_v3 > > --- On Tue, 10/13/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote: > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag > Re: Re: Prasiddha mantras or Siddha Mantras > > Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 11:19 PM > > >  > > > > Dear Mrithyunjay Ji, > > While I can agree to some of your observations, I cannot so totaly. > > It is very true that the Shatkarmas need initiation. > > However, for serious mantra sadhana of other mantras also need initiation to understand what the mantra actually is and what it represents. Unless a person understands this, it becomes simply mechanical recitation and may not get the desired results. > > " The bold minded " if refered as a person who has the aptitude to understand and make efforts to do so, will be much better.    > > Jyotisha or Prashna Marga does not give authority to do mantra sadhana. It can't simply because it is outside its perview. jyotish, Prashna Marga and other works also provide a lot regarding to Vasthu. It is only to determine certain factors. But the house is the expert domain of Vastu Shastra. > > Similarly Tantra Shastra is the Expert domain of Mantras. > > Even at Ashtamangalya Prashna held at temples, even if there are issues with poojas & rituals or even mantras used, this will be revealed but leave it to the discision of Head Priest of the temple. This is because, Tantra & Agama are their domain and Astrologers however they are proficient will not step into that zone. The only exception will be if the Daivagjna is also a Vaidhika who has the authority to say final word regarding such subjects. > > In kerala during the time of Prashna Marga and even now, most of the traditional family Astrologers are proficient in other sciences along with Astrology such as Vastu or Ayurveda, Tantra etc. So it is natural that they have written about mantras, ayurveda, vastu etc. And these subjects were mostly handled by brahmins. And NO WHERE it is stated that the native should himself do these mantra sadanas and NO WHERE its stated that " Prasidha " does not require initiation. > > " tatpraaptirddharmm amuulaattadanu budhakavii shankarasyaabhishek aal > chandrashchettadvad evatridivapatigu rumantrayantrauS hadhiinaam > sidhyaa mandaarasuuryaa yadi shikhi tamasii tatra vaMsheshapuujaa > kaaryaamnyaayoktari ityaa budhagurunavapaaH kshipramevaatra siddhiH " . > Shatpanchashika > " nyaatoktaritya " is very easy to understand as per nyaya or stiputaled methods. does it mention any where that the native himself should do the rituals?. > > Prashna Marga as has said many other matters. Why shut eye on those aspects? > vedasya chakshuH kila shaastrametal > pradhaanataaMgeShu tatosya yuktaa > aMgairyuto.anyairap i puruNamuurtti- > shchakshurvinaa kaH puruShatvameti. . > jyotishshaastravida gdho gaNItapaTurvR^ ittavaaMshcha satyavachaaH > vinayii vedaadhyaayii grahayajanapaTushch a bhavatu daivaGYaH..  > daivavidevaMbhuuto yavadati phalaM shubhaashubhaM praShTuH > tatsarvam na cha mithyaa bhavati praaGYaistathaa choktam.. >  > Hence it is better not quote classicals out of context or to serve our ends only. >  > " paape karmagate tu karmavihatir " > >  What is use if the native himself doing the rituals if his 10th house is severly afflicted ? > > Sidha, Sadhya, Susidha, Ari Sidha Are NOT REDUNDENT. They are simply not accounted due to lack of knowledge of how to use it or know its relevence.. Prashna Marga & similar classicals advocate similar schemes in the perview of astrology which are simpler, which does not mean As per Shastra it is redundent. Those who have realy practice Tantra as per shastras knows its importance. And they are not going to write on internet. Most don't even know about Internet. > > A person who has the sidhi of Mantra, can sense what is required for a disciple. However, Just because he gives initiation into mantras sadhana without checking factors like jyotisha or Sidhaadhi shodana, doe not give others the authority to do so. That is absurd. > > If Every one could recite mantras just like that what was need for creating Ashtotharas & Sahasranamas. They are equaly powerfull and does not initiation at all But contains all the beejas as well as Mantras. > > In fact, you look at srutis/ smritis, its is not mantras that acharyas has adviced to recite for common man, but stotras, ashtotharas, sahasranama, sankata mochana stotra rina mochana stotras, to do vritas. May be we not common men. > > Finaly, If a person is destined to do mantra sadhana and benefit from it, He shall get some how or other at the appropriate time. That is the power of Mantras. > > A few years back a brahmin family came to me for consulation. After checking their charts and prashna, I declared that they should worship " Yeshoda Krishna "  -Shree Krishna along with his mother, as it is their Kula Devatha. They were surprised and said that a few years back they had visited uttar kasi and were taken to a sadhu by a local. On seeying these elderly couple, the sadhu just gave them a idol of Yeshodha Krishna and asked them to worship it. He also said that they should not stay there with him. > > I hope you understand what happend & why the sadhu said that they should not come to him. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. > >    > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > jyotish <astrologer_mrutyunj ay > > > Tue, October 13, 2009 3:57:38 PM > Re: Prasiddha mantras or Siddha Mantras > >  > Dear Suresh Jee, > > Formal initiation and availabilty of > > an accomplished Guru is not compulsory for Siddha Mantra. > > It is a tradition in our country to accept all mantra from Guru > > through formal initiation as far as possible including the > > Siddha Mantra or Swatah Siddha Mantras like > > Shiv Panchakshar Mantra, Ram Tarak Mantra, Pushakala Gayatri Mantra, > > Navakshari Mantra, reading or prayers etc. etc. > > Whereas all mantras involving Tantric Kriyas of materialistic nature Shatkarmas ( Sthambhan, Mohan, Marana, Vasya, Uchhatan, Bidraban ) > > require formal learning form an accomplished Guru > > to avoid inherent pitfalls of those mantra and kriyas. > > In our humble opinion Mantra that do not involve Shatkarmas > > can be experiemented by any bold minded public. > > Still they are not free from side effects or negative implications. > > That is where the role of deciding favourableness through astrology comes into. > > The accomplished Guru decides the suitability of mantra through his /her spiritual powers. > > Whereas astrology is secular scientific technical tool to determine the suitability of the mantra. > > The suggestion of astrology as a tool for mantra selection is > > definitely an alternate tool in the absence of an accomplished Guru > > for all those mantra not involving Shatkarmas. > > The procedure of determination of Siddha, Susiddha, Ari, Shatru etc. etc. are also redundant > > when a Guru is guiding your Mantra Sadhana > > he/she is takeing care of your complete wellbeing. > > Guru decides suitability of mantra on the basis of his/her direct knowledge which is far more superior to > > these techniques. > > Regards, > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy > (Consultancy out of group is not free) > > , " Suresh Babu " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Mrithyunjay Ji, > > > > You have given a slightly new deffinition to the word prasidha & sidha. > > > > so accordingly those mantras that do not require are " prasidha mantras " . right? > > > > Let it be any name. You might call them " Prasidha Mantras " , I may call them " sarvani mantras " . It doesn't matter. does it? > > > > But what matters is what are these so called " Prasidha Mantras " . > > What is the classification? > > > > Are you implying that all mantras that is intended for welfare can be recited by any one WITHOUT Inittiation and those mantras used for destruction like vasyam, marana etc are Aprasidha ONLY need initiation? > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " jyotish " <astrologer_ mrutyunjay@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > Some mantra do not require the formal number of minumum recitation to > > > > > > obtain Siddhi or success for a specific purpose. > > > > > > These are called 'Siddha Mantra' or > > > > > > 'Prasiddha Mantra'. > > > > > > Others mantra require formal initiation from Guru > > > > > > who are accomplished in the Mantra. > > > > > > Probably some members using the term 'Apradissha' for it, as apparent from their message. > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > So far as translation of 'Sarda Tilak' is concerned... .. > > > > > > mantra having two 'varna' of contrasting elements such as fire and water close to each other e.g. Rung(fire), Bung(water) > > > > > > etc. are devoid of 'sattwik' qualities. > > > > > > You may notice that the above two are used consecutively > > > > > > in 'Papa Purusha Samskara' in meditation/ pooja > > > > > > done in traditional way i.e. self purification purpose. > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > We should limit our discussion to benefic use of the > > > > > > 'Siddha Mantras' only. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Mruyunjay Tripathy > > > (Consultancy out of group is not free) > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > There is no classification such as prasidha & aprasidha mantras. > > > > > > > > If the mantras are conform to the Mantras Shastra are sidha mantras. > > > > > > > > However, once can say that mantras like " Ohm Namo Narayanaaya " , " Ohm Nama Shivaaya " , " Ohm Namo Bhagavate Vaasudevaayaa " are very common and could be recited by anyone with minimum cleanliness. > > > > > > > > Tantra shatras are many and each lays down their own stipulations for doing Mantra Sadhana. > > > > > > > > However, it is wrong to think that any or every one can do any mantra sadhana simply because it is written in a Tantra. > > > > > > > > Mantra Sadhana or tantra ordained for each sect should not be easily done by others simply because a famous person has written about or it is available on the internet. > > > > > > > > There are Satwic, Rajasic & Tamasic gunas to be considered. > > > > > > > > Sidha, Sadhya, Su Sidha & Ari sidha classifications also are very important. Each has its own results and the way it should be used. Otherwise the results may not only be expected but turn detrimental to the native. > > > > > > > > Dwaitha &  Adwaitha form of worship > > > > > > > > This is complex subject with many factors other than what I have mentioned here. > > > > > > > > We have had numerous messages here about persons not getting the results of reciting mantras. What more do you require to understand the futility of doing something which every one is not supposed to do or they way they do it. > > > > > > > > I also see lot of advices for reciting ekakshara mantras. I am not sure about their knowldege in Tantra shatra. > > > > > > > > However, Sharada Tilaka, a most respected treatise on Tantra / Mantra Shatra says > > > > > > > > " kooTa ekaaksharo mantraH sa evokto niraMshakaH > > > > dvivarNNaH satvaheenaH syaad chaturvarNNastu kekaraH " > > > > > > > > The mantras with one Akshara are called " Koota " and are Niramsha ie: shobha heena ; with two aksharas are satva heena & 4 aksharas are kekaras. > > > > > > > > I am not sure whether ekashara mantras are allowed in other Tantras. I shall welcome any such original Pramanas and not the words of any " famous person " has written about it who ever it is.  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. > > > > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > > > > > Tue, October 13, 2009 10:13:43 AM > > > > Re: Re: Prasiddha mantras > > > > > > > >  > > > > Dear Sirs > > > > Dealing with importance of Mnatras,there was an article " Concerning Mantras.May be it is appropritae for me to cite from AStrological Magzine January 1994 written by Prof.K.S.Ramachandr a Rao > > > > > > > > In the heade topic as Prasiddha Mantras " probably means for siddha mantras.These have been mentioned and grouped as " Siddha Mantras " as they are of ''proven merit.These mantras please note " may use them even when not given by a Guru " Such Mnatras are not " Kamya siddha Mantras. " > > > > For a Mantra to be effective in a particular context ''it must be specifically and individually cmmunicated/ given by a Guru. > > > > Siddha/Prasiddha Mnatras(?) a group of words or letters can have no controverys of any nature.Then " gurupa desato Mnatrah was mentioned for specifics.Mntra when given by A " is powerful and Mantra   Data " is powerful and fuul of potentialities. > > > > In our internet paralance'any mantra will become effective in any stage (of life) when the practice is doubled. > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > >  > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 10/12/09, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> wrote: > > > > > > > > RafaÅ‚ Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> > > > > Re: Re: Prasiddha mantras > > > > > > > > Monday, October 12, 2009, 6:35 PM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > > > > Dear utkal, > > > > > > > > Just before becoming adhikari its good to follow sastra. Your arguments > > > > are against logic based on the sastra. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > ------------ -- > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > http://rohinaa. com > > > > rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com > > > > starsuponme@ wp.pl / > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One makes secrets and Other endorses, Who among you two, got Mantra > > > > > Siddhi, Who is adhikari ? > > > > > > > > > > ~Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, " jyotish " <astrologer_ > > > > > mrutyunjay@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shree Rafal is quite right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is definitely useful in > > > > > > > > > > > > guiding us towards favourable path > > > > > > > > > > > > of work. > > > > > > > > > > > > What is needed is just a little bit of hard work. > > > > > > > > > > > > Favourableness/ unfavourableness or easy success > > > > > > > > > > > > for mantra is clearly > > > > > > > > > > > > indicated in astrological treaties like Prasna Marga, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sarvartha Chintamani etc. etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz > > > > > <starsuponme@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > > > > > > > Dear Hari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If mantra arudha goes to house of the Deva - its prasidha mantra. > > > > > This > > > > > > > is big secret. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can recite those two mantras. Before that pray to Guru, then Sri > > > > > > > Ganesha and ask for forgiveness if you will be destined to make some > > > > > > > mistakes during sadhana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotisha is great tool for picking the right mantra. Otherwise Sri > > > > > > > Parasara, Hari Hara (Prashna Marga) wouldnt bother so much to give > > > > > > > relation between yoga and particular type of sadhana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its like various kind of medicines - some are general and give you > > > > > much > > > > > > > better immune system, some are to-the-point strong medicines. Good > > > > > > > Jyotisha can provide both - like good doctor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The worse treat these techniques as unnecessary as an excuse for > > > > > being > > > > > > > lazy. This is against sastra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > > > > ------------ -- > > > > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com> > > > > > > > rafal@ > > > > > > > starsuponme@ / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel free to pick and chant any mantra you like, to do God's > > > > > sadhana. > > > > > > > > Mantra selection is beoynd capability of a jyotishi, Do not > > > > > worry, The > > > > > > > > god w'd manifest it's blesssing because of your devotion and > > > > > honesty in > > > > > > > > your daily dealings with others, try to remain pure in heart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When initiation requires, God w'd take you to right Guru. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At least for God " Prasiddhi " or " Fame " in this small world doesn't > > > > > > > > matter, He doesnt classify bhakti and mantras in this way > > > > > - " Prasiddha " > > > > > > > > and " Aprasddha " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In sadhana it's said - " Pratistha Sukari Vistha " , " Greed of fame is > > > > > > > > like excreta of a pig " , but these guys are making imaginary > > > > > distinction > > > > > > > > with " Prasiddha " vs " Aprasiddha " . These guys have no idea of > > > > > sadhana, > > > > > > > > instead of learning, they tempt to become " Guru " , Pls take care .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, Harihara Krishnan > > > > > > > > <harih2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rafalji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I came across the below mantra list from an earlier discussion in > > > > > > > > which you participated. I thought that the Navarna mantra (Om > > > > > > > > > Aim Hrim Kleem Chamundayai Vichchai) requires initiation. > > > > > Could you > > > > > > > > > kindly confirm whether I can chant it without initiation, as I am > > > > > > > > > searching for Prasiddha mantra remedies for malefic Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, > > > > > > > > > kindly advise whether the mantra Om Bhurbhuvassuvah > > > > > Sambasadaashivaaya > > > > > > > > > Namah (which you prescribed in your website) could be chanted for > > > > > > > > strengthening lagna Lord Jupiter which is > > > > > > > > > also in 6th House, or is it the mantra mentioned below (Om Tat > > > > > Sat) > > > > > > > > that is most suitable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > > > > > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prasiddha Mantra (Best advise) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun - Om Namah Shivaaya > > > > > > > > > Moon - Om Matre Namah > > > > > > > > > Mars - Om Namo Bhagavate Rudraaya > > > > > > > > > Mercury - Om Vishnave Namah > > > > > > > > > Jupiter - Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > Venus - Om namo Lakshmi Narayanaaya > > > > > > > > > Saturn - Om Namo Naraayanaya > > > > > > > > > Rahu - Om Aim Hrim Kleem Chamundayai Vichchai > > > > > > > > > Ketu - Om Ganeshaaya namah > > > > > > > > > In addition, for Lagna & Karma suddhi: Om namo Bhagavate > > > > > Vasudevaaya > > > > > > > > > (Supreme Intelligence) or Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > > Always prefer these mantra over others as they will give > > > > > definite and > > > > > > > > > good results without any negatives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Dear Utkal Ji, Namasthe, Kindly substantiate what you are trying to convery with authentic pramanas & logic. Otherwise it would be lost in myrad of messages that fills this internet and shall be termed as " Jalpana " . Shree Mrithyujay Ji as well as Rafel ji feel strongly that Satwic Mantras do not require Initiation to do " serious " Japa. Mrithyunja Ji is a Brahmin and should know what is talking about while Rafel ji is very good at Astrology, but I don't know how much he is qualified personaly about Tantra other that what is told by others. Tantra/ Mantra litterature is freely awailable on the net and could be used by anyone.  Tantra litterature tell us to use Nakshtra anukoolya, Rasyanukoola, yonimaitri etc. Hence It is wrong to say that Astrology does not have any part in deciding the Mantra. But that does not mean those persons should endeavor into Mantra Sadhana just like that and hope to get results at the flick of button. A guru who initiates another may or may not look at the astrological significance directly, But he does indirectly. They like a good astrologer look at " Chaya " of the person and other nimithas and definitely their yogic powers, which a " daivagjna " is also supposed to have. What you mentioned about the " Yakshini " is very true and is its Intrinsic complexities. There is no doubt in mind that It is true with every other Mantras also. Just like we look at at the compatability of a man & women, we also decide the compatability between the mantra & person. It is what is dictated in Tantra/Mantra shatras. That is why it is said that one needs a guru to guide at various stages of Mantra Sadhana. However, as Mrithyunjay Ji has reconed, A bold person - Not the kind of foolish boldness that prompts one to jump into fire just to prove that he is bold, but with good knowldege, understanding and internal strength can surely venture into the arena. But the problem is how many do qualify as such and how to determine whether they shall succeed without the help of a guru and what are the criterias one should look for as an astrologer?. What are compulsory rules or rituals to be followed by those persons doing serious Mantra Sadhana? What might happen if it is not followed?. What are the benefits & what are Risks involved? Pls note that sadhana is normaly repetation in mutliples of 1008 and not mere reciting a few times. What are the difference in Mantras with Beeja & not having Beeja? for the time being forget about Mantras used for " Shadkarma " . Let your knowldege comeforth in proper format, instead of the style in which you have doing so far, so that other will get real advantage and knowledge from it. regards A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.      ________________________________ utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi Wed, October 14, 2009 8:41:16 AM Re: Prasiddha mantras or Siddha Mantras  Looks, They want to decide everything, everything in mundane and spiritual, every thing in life and after life... Unless one doesnt take initiation, they will block mantra's functioning, may be in their posts to ...!! Is it all for making more share in astro market ? regards, Utkal.. , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Mrithyunjay Ji, > > While I can agree to some of your observations, I cannot so totaly. > > It is very true that the Shatkarmas need initiation. > > However, for serious mantra sadhana of other mantras also need initiation to understand what the mantra actually is and what it represents. Unless a person understands this, it becomes simply mechanical recitation and may not get the desired results. > > " The bold minded " if refered as a person who has the aptitude to understand and make efforts to do so, will be much better.    > > Jyotisha or Prashna Marga does not give authority to do mantra sadhana. It can't simply because it is outside its perview. jyotish, Prashna Marga and other works also provide a lot regarding to Vasthu. It is only to determine certain factors. But the house is the expert domain of Vastu Shastra. > > Similarly Tantra Shastra is the Expert domain of Mantras. > > Even at Ashtamangalya Prashna held at temples, even if there are issues with poojas & rituals or even mantras used, this will be revealed but leave it to the discision of Head Priest of the temple. This is because, Tantra & Agama are their domain and Astrologers however they are proficient will not step into that zone. The only exception will be if the Daivagjna is also a Vaidhika who has the authority to say final word regarding such subjects. > > In kerala during the time of Prashna Marga and even now, most of the traditional family Astrologers are proficient in other sciences along with Astrology such as Vastu or Ayurveda, Tantra etc. So it is natural that they have written about mantras, ayurveda, vastu etc. And these subjects were mostly handled by brahmins. And NO WHERE it is stated that the native should himself do these mantra sadanas and NO WHERE its stated that " Prasidha " does not require initiation. > > " tatpraaptirddharmm amuulaattadanu budhakavii shankarasyaabhishek aal > chandrashchettadvad evatridivapatigu rumantrayantrauS hadhiinaam > sidhyaa mandaarasuuryaa yadi shikhi tamasii tatra vaMsheshapuujaa > kaaryaamnyaayoktari ityaa budhagurunavapaaH kshipramevaatra siddhiH " . > Shatpanchashika > " nyaatoktaritya " is very easy to understand as per nyaya or stiputaled methods. does it mention any where that the native himself should do the rituals?. > > Prashna Marga as has said many other matters. Why shut eye on those aspects? > vedasya chakshuH kila shaastrametal > pradhaanataaMgeShu tatosya yuktaa > aMgairyuto.anyairap i puruNamuurtti- > shchakshurvinaa kaH puruShatvameti. . > jyotishshaastravida gdho gaNItapaTurvR^ ittavaaMshcha satyavachaaH > vinayii vedaadhyaayii grahayajanapaTushch a bhavatu daivaGYaH..  > daivavidevaMbhuuto yavadati phalaM shubhaashubhaM praShTuH > tatsarvam na cha mithyaa bhavati praaGYaistathaa choktam.. >  > Hence it is better not quote classicals out of context or to serve our ends only. >  > " paape karmagate tu karmavihatir " > >  What is use if the native himself doing the rituals if his 10th house is severly afflicted ? > > Sidha, Sadhya, Susidha, Ari Sidha Are NOT REDUNDENT. They are simply not accounted due to lack of knowledge of how to use it or know its relevence.. Prashna Marga & similar classicals advocate similar schemes in the perview of astrology which are simpler, which does not mean As per Shastra it is redundent. Those who have realy practice Tantra as per shastras knows its importance. And they are not going to write on internet. Most don't even know about Internet. > > A person who has the sidhi of Mantra, can sense what is required for a disciple. However, Just because he gives initiation into mantras sadhana without checking factors like jyotisha or Sidhaadhi shodana, doe not give others the authority to do so. That is absurd. > > If Every one could recite mantras just like that what was need for creating Ashtotharas & Sahasranamas. They are equaly powerfull and does not initiation at all But contains all the beejas as well as Mantras. > > In fact, you look at srutis/ smritis, its is not mantras that acharyas has adviced to recite for common man, but stotras, ashtotharas, sahasranama, sankata mochana stotra rina mochana stotras, to do vritas. May be we not common men. > > Finaly, If a person is destined to do mantra sadhana and benefit from it, He shall get some how or other at the appropriate time. That is the power of Mantras. > > A few years back a brahmin family came to me for consulation. After checking their charts and prashna, I declared that they should worship " Yeshoda Krishna "  -Shree Krishna along with his mother, as it is their Kula Devatha. They were surprised and said that a few years back they had visited uttar kasi and were taken to a sadhu by a local. On seeying these elderly couple, the sadhu just gave them a idol of Yeshodha Krishna and asked them to worship it. He also said that they should not stay there with him. > > I hope you understand what happend & why the sadhu said that they should not come to him. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. > > > > > >    > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > jyotish <astrologer_ mrutyunjay@ ...> > > Tue, October 13, 2009 3:57:38 PM > Re: Prasiddha mantras or Siddha Mantras > >  > Dear Suresh Jee, > > Formal initiation and availabilty of > > an accomplished Guru is not compulsory for Siddha Mantra. > > It is a tradition in our country to accept all mantra from Guru > > through formal initiation as far as possible including the > > Siddha Mantra or Swatah Siddha Mantras like > > Shiv Panchakshar Mantra, Ram Tarak Mantra, Pushakala Gayatri Mantra, > > Navakshari Mantra, reading or prayers etc. etc. > > Whereas all mantras involving Tantric Kriyas of materialistic nature Shatkarmas ( Sthambhan, Mohan, Marana, Vasya, Uchhatan, Bidraban ) > > require formal learning form an accomplished Guru > > to avoid inherent pitfalls of those mantra and kriyas. > > In our humble opinion Mantra that do not involve Shatkarmas > > can be experiemented by any bold minded public. > > Still they are not free from side effects or negative implications. > > That is where the role of deciding favourableness through astrology comes into. > > The accomplished Guru decides the suitability of mantra through his /her spiritual powers. > > Whereas astrology is secular scientific technical tool to determine the suitability of the mantra. > > The suggestion of astrology as a tool for mantra selection is > > definitely an alternate tool in the absence of an accomplished Guru > > for all those mantra not involving Shatkarmas. > > The procedure of determination of Siddha, Susiddha, Ari, Shatru etc. etc. are also redundant > > when a Guru is guiding your Mantra Sadhana > > he/she is takeing care of your complete wellbeing. > > Guru decides suitability of mantra on the basis of his/her direct knowledge which is far more superior to > > these techniques. > > Regards, > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy > (Consultancy out of group is not free) > > , " Suresh Babu " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Mrithyunjay Ji, > > > > You have given a slightly new deffinition to the word prasidha & sidha. > > > > so accordingly those mantras that do not require are " prasidha mantras " . right? > > > > Let it be any name. You might call them " Prasidha Mantras " , I may call them " sarvani mantras " . It doesn't matter. does it? > > > > But what matters is what are these so called " Prasidha Mantras " . > > What is the classification? > > > > Are you implying that all mantras that is intended for welfare can be recited by any one WITHOUT Inittiation and those mantras used for destruction like vasyam, marana etc are Aprasidha ONLY need initiation? > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " jyotish " <astrologer_ mrutyunjay@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > Some mantra do not require the formal number of minumum recitation to > > > > > > obtain Siddhi or success for a specific purpose. > > > > > > These are called 'Siddha Mantra' or > > > > > > 'Prasiddha Mantra'. > > > > > > Others mantra require formal initiation from Guru > > > > > > who are accomplished in the Mantra. > > > > > > Probably some members using the term 'Apradissha' for it, as apparent from their message. > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > So far as translation of 'Sarda Tilak' is concerned... .. > > > > > > mantra having two 'varna' of contrasting elements such as fire and water close to each other e.g. Rung(fire), Bung(water) > > > > > > etc. are devoid of 'sattwik' qualities. > > > > > > You may notice that the above two are used consecutively > > > > > > in 'Papa Purusha Samskara' in meditation/ pooja > > > > > > done in traditional way i.e. self purification purpose. > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > We should limit our discussion to benefic use of the > > > > > > 'Siddha Mantras' only. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Mruyunjay Tripathy > > > (Consultancy out of group is not free) > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > There is no classification such as prasidha & aprasidha mantras. > > > > > > > > If the mantras are conform to the Mantras Shastra are sidha mantras. > > > > > > > > However, once can say that mantras like " Ohm Namo Narayanaaya " , " Ohm Nama Shivaaya " , " Ohm Namo Bhagavate Vaasudevaayaa " are very common and could be recited by anyone with minimum cleanliness. > > > > > > > > Tantra shatras are many and each lays down their own stipulations for doing Mantra Sadhana. > > > > > > > > However, it is wrong to think that any or every one can do any mantra sadhana simply because it is written in a Tantra. > > > > > > > > Mantra Sadhana or tantra ordained for each sect should not be easily done by others simply because a famous person has written about or it is available on the internet. > > > > > > > > There are Satwic, Rajasic & Tamasic gunas to be considered. > > > > > > > > Sidha, Sadhya, Su Sidha & Ari sidha classifications also are very important. Each has its own results and the way it should be used. Otherwise the results may not only be expected but turn detrimental to the native. > > > > > > > > Dwaitha &  Adwaitha form of worship > > > > > > > > This is complex subject with many factors other than what I have mentioned here. > > > > > > > > We have had numerous messages here about persons not getting the results of reciting mantras. What more do you require to understand the futility of doing something which every one is not supposed to do or they way they do it. > > > > > > > > I also see lot of advices for reciting ekakshara mantras. I am not sure about their knowldege in Tantra shatra. > > > > > > > > However, Sharada Tilaka, a most respected treatise on Tantra / Mantra Shatra says > > > > > > > > " kooTa ekaaksharo mantraH sa evokto niraMshakaH > > > > dvivarNNaH satvaheenaH syaad chaturvarNNastu kekaraH " > > > > > > > > The mantras with one Akshara are called " Koota " and are Niramsha ie: shobha heena ; with two aksharas are satva heena & 4 aksharas are kekaras. > > > > > > > > I am not sure whether ekashara mantras are allowed in other Tantras. I shall welcome any such original Pramanas and not the words of any " famous person " has written about it who ever it is.  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. > > > > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > > > > > Tue, October 13, 2009 10:13:43 AM > > > > Re: Re: Prasiddha mantras > > > > > > > >  > > > > Dear Sirs > > > > Dealing with importance of Mnatras,there was an article " Concerning Mantras.May be it is appropritae for me to cite from AStrological Magzine January 1994 written by Prof.K.S.Ramachandr a Rao > > > > > > > > In the heade topic as Prasiddha Mantras " probably means for siddha mantras.These have been mentioned and grouped as " Siddha Mantras " as they are of ''proven merit.These mantras please note " may use them even when not given by a Guru " Such Mnatras are not " Kamya siddha Mantras. " > > > > For a Mantra to be effective in a particular context ''it must be specifically and individually cmmunicated/ given by a Guru. > > > > Siddha/Prasiddha Mnatras(?) a group of words or letters can have no controverys of any nature.Then " gurupa desato Mnatrah was mentioned for specifics.Mntra when given by A " is powerful and Mantra   Data " is powerful and fuul of potentialities. > > > > In our internet paralance'any mantra will become effective in any stage (of life) when the practice is doubled. > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > >  > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 10/12/09, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> wrote: > > > > > > > > RafaÅ‚ Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> > > > > Re: Re: Prasiddha mantras > > > > > > > > Monday, October 12, 2009, 6:35 PM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > > > > Dear utkal, > > > > > > > > Just before becoming adhikari its good to follow sastra. Your arguments > > > > are against logic based on the sastra. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > ------------ -- > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > http://rohinaa. com > > > > rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com > > > > starsuponme@ wp.pl / > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One makes secrets and Other endorses, Who among you two, got Mantra > > > > > Siddhi, Who is adhikari ? > > > > > > > > > > ~Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, " jyotish " <astrologer_ > > > > > mrutyunjay@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shree Rafal is quite right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is definitely useful in > > > > > > > > > > > > guiding us towards favourable path > > > > > > > > > > > > of work. > > > > > > > > > > > > What is needed is just a little bit of hard work. > > > > > > > > > > > > Favourableness/ unfavourableness or easy success > > > > > > > > > > > > for mantra is clearly > > > > > > > > > > > > indicated in astrological treaties like Prasna Marga, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sarvartha Chintamani etc. etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz > > > > > <starsuponme@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > > > > > > > Dear Hari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If mantra arudha goes to house of the Deva - its prasidha mantra. > > > > > This > > > > > > > is big secret. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can recite those two mantras. Before that pray to Guru, then Sri > > > > > > > Ganesha and ask for forgiveness if you will be destined to make some > > > > > > > mistakes during sadhana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotisha is great tool for picking the right mantra. Otherwise Sri > > > > > > > Parasara, Hari Hara (Prashna Marga) wouldnt bother so much to give > > > > > > > relation between yoga and particular type of sadhana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its like various kind of medicines - some are general and give you > > > > > much > > > > > > > better immune system, some are to-the-point strong medicines. Good > > > > > > > Jyotisha can provide both - like good doctor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The worse treat these techniques as unnecessary as an excuse for > > > > > being > > > > > > > lazy. This is against sastra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > > > > ------------ -- > > > > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com> > > > > > > > rafal@ > > > > > > > starsuponme@ / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel free to pick and chant any mantra you like, to do God's > > > > > sadhana. > > > > > > > > Mantra selection is beoynd capability of a jyotishi, Do not > > > > > worry, The > > > > > > > > god w'd manifest it's blesssing because of your devotion and > > > > > honesty in > > > > > > > > your daily dealings with others, try to remain pure in heart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When initiation requires, God w'd take you to right Guru. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At least for God " Prasiddhi " or " Fame " in this small world doesn't > > > > > > > > matter, He doesnt classify bhakti and mantras in this way > > > > > - " Prasiddha " > > > > > > > > and " Aprasddha " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In sadhana it's said - " Pratistha Sukari Vistha " , " Greed of fame is > > > > > > > > like excreta of a pig " , but these guys are making imaginary > > > > > distinction > > > > > > > > with " Prasiddha " vs " Aprasiddha " . These guys have no idea of > > > > > sadhana, > > > > > > > > instead of learning, they tempt to become " Guru " , Pls take care .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, Harihara Krishnan > > > > > > > > <harih2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rafalji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I came across the below mantra list from an earlier discussion in > > > > > > > > which you participated. I thought that the Navarna mantra (Om > > > > > > > > > Aim Hrim Kleem Chamundayai Vichchai) requires initiation. > > > > > Could you > > > > > > > > > kindly confirm whether I can chant it without initiation, as I am > > > > > > > > > searching for Prasiddha mantra remedies for malefic Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, > > > > > > > > > kindly advise whether the mantra Om Bhurbhuvassuvah > > > > > Sambasadaashivaaya > > > > > > > > > Namah (which you prescribed in your website) could be chanted for > > > > > > > > strengthening lagna Lord Jupiter which is > > > > > > > > > also in 6th House, or is it the mantra mentioned below (Om Tat > > > > > Sat) > > > > > > > > that is most suitable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > > > > > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prasiddha Mantra (Best advise) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun - Om Namah Shivaaya > > > > > > > > > Moon - Om Matre Namah > > > > > > > > > Mars - Om Namo Bhagavate Rudraaya > > > > > > > > > Mercury - Om Vishnave Namah > > > > > > > > > Jupiter - Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > Venus - Om namo Lakshmi Narayanaaya > > > > > > > > > Saturn - Om Namo Naraayanaya > > > > > > > > > Rahu - Om Aim Hrim Kleem Chamundayai Vichchai > > > > > > > > > Ketu - Om Ganeshaaya namah > > > > > > > > > In addition, for Lagna & Karma suddhi: Om namo Bhagavate > > > > > Vasudevaaya > > > > > > > > > (Supreme Intelligence) or Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > > Always prefer these mantra over others as they will give > > > > > definite and > > > > > > > > > good results without any negatives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Utkal. we have seen surgeries performed by quacks in so many parts of India not all r failures, some succeed it is by accident or the luck of the individual it succeds opp is true if good qualified docters also bungle the damage is inversely proportional though the qualified and right approach practioner /sadhaka will do a better job than just on the fly be it reading a book, internet or hear say what comes from Gurumukha is sacred be it medicine or mantras, tantras BTW I saw ur posts on NAXAL violence ending in another group this is same as what lalit has sent to me as lalit If this is not a alias or fake ID? word to word of it is same. when we see some act like nudging ppl it is keeping our eyes ears open for diff sources to give us inputs here Iguess i found it myself any comments on this...! personaly I have no issues with Lalit misra or u all we want is a fair , balanced approach to individuasl subject-Jyotish it deserves. prashant ________________________________ utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi Wed, October 14, 2009 9:01:15 AM Re: Prasiddha mantras or Siddha Mantras there are different way of functioning of different mantras, when you chant god's mantra, you seek his blessings,unknowing ly, you clean clouds of your karma on your's chitta with divine help, once cleaning is done, you find god has listened to you and your life has got a meaning as well as success. when you chant an yakschini mantra, you invest your will power to attract her then win her, in case, you do not have that potential in you, your mantra will be a failure as your call will not pull an yakschini. no harm happens even with such a mantra chanting, because, without a mantra channel, yakschini can not come to you, if you are scared switch the TV off, i mean, stop chanting yakschini mantra. as simple as that. I had experimented with yakschini mantra, much stupidity is tagged with myths of yakschini. Utkal. , " SR.Rajkumar " <rajkumar_v3@ ...> wrote: > > A mantra, sidha or prasidha has its effect irrespective of being initiated or not. But the result may be be not favourable as it is not being aligned and controlled by guru. A guru knows what combination is to be given for whom and the guru gets the right mantra from the divine directly. this is the process. for eg, if I need to get initiation for srividya , then the guru need to get the go ahead from Rajarajeswari. only then he will give the initiation. this s because all people do not qualify for mantra upadesh at all times. this si a godly/divine realisation of the god. > Secondly as stated, if a person starts chanting a mantra , whether it is sidha or prasidha, the deity shall start devouring the indriyas of the particular person and may also give him some benefits, the result of which the sadhak minds wanders and he stand to lose bodily health and and the mantra shakthi. imagine if somebody starts chanting on yakshini without guru upadesh. she will do him unto death. so plz be catious while publising such messages. it may mislead. > best is guru upadesh. lets stick to it. > > > > SR Rajkumar > rajkumar_v3@ ... > > --- On Tue, 10/13/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> > Re: Re: Prasiddha mantras or Siddha Mantras > > Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 11:19 PM > > >  > > > > Dear Mrithyunjay Ji, > > While I can agree to some of your observations, I cannot so totaly. > > It is very true that the Shatkarmas need initiation. > > However, for serious mantra sadhana of other mantras also need initiation to understand what the mantra actually is and what it represents. Unless a person understands this, it becomes simply mechanical recitation and may not get the desired results. > > " The bold minded " if refered as a person who has the aptitude to understand and make efforts to do so, will be much better.    > > Jyotisha or Prashna Marga does not give authority to do mantra sadhana. It can't simply because it is outside its perview. jyotish, Prashna Marga and other works also provide a lot regarding to Vasthu. It is only to determine certain factors. But the house is the expert domain of Vastu Shastra. > > Similarly Tantra Shastra is the Expert domain of Mantras. > > Even at Ashtamangalya Prashna held at temples, even if there are issues with poojas & rituals or even mantras used, this will be revealed but leave it to the discision of Head Priest of the temple. This is because, Tantra & Agama are their domain and Astrologers however they are proficient will not step into that zone. The only exception will be if the Daivagjna is also a Vaidhika who has the authority to say final word regarding such subjects. > > In kerala during the time of Prashna Marga and even now, most of the traditional family Astrologers are proficient in other sciences along with Astrology such as Vastu or Ayurveda, Tantra etc. So it is natural that they have written about mantras, ayurveda, vastu etc. And these subjects were mostly handled by brahmins. And NO WHERE it is stated that the native should himself do these mantra sadanas and NO WHERE its stated that " Prasidha " does not require initiation. > > " tatpraaptirddharmm amuulaattadanu budhakavii shankarasyaabhishek aal > chandrashchettadvad evatridivapatigu rumantrayantrauS hadhiinaam > sidhyaa mandaarasuuryaa yadi shikhi tamasii tatra vaMsheshapuujaa > kaaryaamnyaayoktari ityaa budhagurunavapaaH kshipramevaatra siddhiH " . > Shatpanchashika > " nyaatoktaritya " is very easy to understand as per nyaya or stiputaled methods. does it mention any where that the native himself should do the rituals?. > > Prashna Marga as has said many other matters. Why shut eye on those aspects? > vedasya chakshuH kila shaastrametal > pradhaanataaMgeShu tatosya yuktaa > aMgairyuto.anyairap i puruNamuurtti- > shchakshurvinaa kaH puruShatvameti. . > jyotishshaastravida gdho gaNItapaTurvR^ ittavaaMshcha satyavachaaH > vinayii vedaadhyaayii grahayajanapaTushch a bhavatu daivaGYaH..  > daivavidevaMbhuuto yavadati phalaM shubhaashubhaM praShTuH > tatsarvam na cha mithyaa bhavati praaGYaistathaa choktam.. >  > Hence it is better not quote classicals out of context or to serve our ends only. >  > " paape karmagate tu karmavihatir " > >  What is use if the native himself doing the rituals if his 10th house is severly afflicted ? > > Sidha, Sadhya, Susidha, Ari Sidha Are NOT REDUNDENT. They are simply not accounted due to lack of knowledge of how to use it or know its relevence.. Prashna Marga & similar classicals advocate similar schemes in the perview of astrology which are simpler, which does not mean As per Shastra it is redundent. Those who have realy practice Tantra as per shastras knows its importance. And they are not going to write on internet. Most don't even know about Internet. > > A person who has the sidhi of Mantra, can sense what is required for a disciple. However, Just because he gives initiation into mantras sadhana without checking factors like jyotisha or Sidhaadhi shodana, doe not give others the authority to do so. That is absurd. > > If Every one could recite mantras just like that what was need for creating Ashtotharas & Sahasranamas. They are equaly powerfull and does not initiation at all But contains all the beejas as well as Mantras. > > In fact, you look at srutis/ smritis, its is not mantras that acharyas has adviced to recite for common man, but stotras, ashtotharas, sahasranama, sankata mochana stotra rina mochana stotras, to do vritas. May be we not common men. > > Finaly, If a person is destined to do mantra sadhana and benefit from it, He shall get some how or other at the appropriate time. That is the power of Mantras. > > A few years back a brahmin family came to me for consulation. After checking their charts and prashna, I declared that they should worship " Yeshoda Krishna "  -Shree Krishna along with his mother, as it is their Kula Devatha. They were surprised and said that a few years back they had visited uttar kasi and were taken to a sadhu by a local. On seeying these elderly couple, the sadhu just gave them a idol of Yeshodha Krishna and asked them to worship it. He also said that they should not stay there with him. > > I hope you understand what happend & why the sadhu said that they should not come to him. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. > >    > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > jyotish <astrologer_ mrutyunj ay > > > Tue, October 13, 2009 3:57:38 PM > Re: Prasiddha mantras or Siddha Mantras > >  > Dear Suresh Jee, > > Formal initiation and availabilty of > > an accomplished Guru is not compulsory for Siddha Mantra. > > It is a tradition in our country to accept all mantra from Guru > > through formal initiation as far as possible including the > > Siddha Mantra or Swatah Siddha Mantras like > > Shiv Panchakshar Mantra, Ram Tarak Mantra, Pushakala Gayatri Mantra, > > Navakshari Mantra, reading or prayers etc. etc. > > Whereas all mantras involving Tantric Kriyas of materialistic nature Shatkarmas ( Sthambhan, Mohan, Marana, Vasya, Uchhatan, Bidraban ) > > require formal learning form an accomplished Guru > > to avoid inherent pitfalls of those mantra and kriyas. > > In our humble opinion Mantra that do not involve Shatkarmas > > can be experiemented by any bold minded public. > > Still they are not free from side effects or negative implications. > > That is where the role of deciding favourableness through astrology comes into. > > The accomplished Guru decides the suitability of mantra through his /her spiritual powers. > > Whereas astrology is secular scientific technical tool to determine the suitability of the mantra. > > The suggestion of astrology as a tool for mantra selection is > > definitely an alternate tool in the absence of an accomplished Guru > > for all those mantra not involving Shatkarmas. > > The procedure of determination of Siddha, Susiddha, Ari, Shatru etc. etc. are also redundant > > when a Guru is guiding your Mantra Sadhana > > he/she is takeing care of your complete wellbeing. > > Guru decides suitability of mantra on the basis of his/her direct knowledge which is far more superior to > > these techniques. > > Regards, > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy > (Consultancy out of group is not free) > > , " Suresh Babu " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Mrithyunjay Ji, > > > > You have given a slightly new deffinition to the word prasidha & sidha. > > > > so accordingly those mantras that do not require are " prasidha mantras " . right? > > > > Let it be any name. You might call them " Prasidha Mantras " , I may call them " sarvani mantras " . It doesn't matter. does it? > > > > But what matters is what are these so called " Prasidha Mantras " . > > What is the classification? > > > > Are you implying that all mantras that is intended for welfare can be recited by any one WITHOUT Inittiation and those mantras used for destruction like vasyam, marana etc are Aprasidha ONLY need initiation? > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " jyotish " <astrologer_ mrutyunjay@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > Some mantra do not require the formal number of minumum recitation to > > > > > > obtain Siddhi or success for a specific purpose. > > > > > > These are called 'Siddha Mantra' or > > > > > > 'Prasiddha Mantra'. > > > > > > Others mantra require formal initiation from Guru > > > > > > who are accomplished in the Mantra. > > > > > > Probably some members using the term 'Apradissha' for it, as apparent from their message. > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > So far as translation of 'Sarda Tilak' is concerned... .. > > > > > > mantra having two 'varna' of contrasting elements such as fire and water close to each other e.g. Rung(fire), Bung(water) > > > > > > etc. are devoid of 'sattwik' qualities. > > > > > > You may notice that the above two are used consecutively > > > > > > in 'Papa Purusha Samskara' in meditation/ pooja > > > > > > done in traditional way i.e. self purification purpose. > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > We should limit our discussion to benefic use of the > > > > > > 'Siddha Mantras' only. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Mruyunjay Tripathy > > > (Consultancy out of group is not free) > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > There is no classification such as prasidha & aprasidha mantras. > > > > > > > > If the mantras are conform to the Mantras Shastra are sidha mantras. > > > > > > > > However, once can say that mantras like " Ohm Namo Narayanaaya " , " Ohm Nama Shivaaya " , " Ohm Namo Bhagavate Vaasudevaayaa " are very common and could be recited by anyone with minimum cleanliness. > > > > > > > > Tantra shatras are many and each lays down their own stipulations for doing Mantra Sadhana. > > > > > > > > However, it is wrong to think that any or every one can do any mantra sadhana simply because it is written in a Tantra. > > > > > > > > Mantra Sadhana or tantra ordained for each sect should not be easily done by others simply because a famous person has written about or it is available on the internet. > > > > > > > > There are Satwic, Rajasic & Tamasic gunas to be considered. > > > > > > > > Sidha, Sadhya, Su Sidha & Ari sidha classifications also are very important. Each has its own results and the way it should be used. Otherwise the results may not only be expected but turn detrimental to the native. > > > > > > > > Dwaitha &  Adwaitha form of worship > > > > > > > > This is complex subject with many factors other than what I have mentioned here. > > > > > > > > We have had numerous messages here about persons not getting the results of reciting mantras. What more do you require to understand the futility of doing something which every one is not supposed to do or they way they do it. > > > > > > > > I also see lot of advices for reciting ekakshara mantras. I am not sure about their knowldege in Tantra shatra. > > > > > > > > However, Sharada Tilaka, a most respected treatise on Tantra / Mantra Shatra says > > > > > > > > " kooTa ekaaksharo mantraH sa evokto niraMshakaH > > > > dvivarNNaH satvaheenaH syaad chaturvarNNastu kekaraH " > > > > > > > > The mantras with one Akshara are called " Koota " and are Niramsha ie: shobha heena ; with two aksharas are satva heena & 4 aksharas are kekaras. > > > > > > > > I am not sure whether ekashara mantras are allowed in other Tantras. I shall welcome any such original Pramanas and not the words of any " famous person " has written about it who ever it is.  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. > > > > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > > > > > Tue, October 13, 2009 10:13:43 AM > > > > Re: Re: Prasiddha mantras > > > > > > > >  > > > > Dear Sirs > > > > Dealing with importance of Mnatras,there was an article " Concerning Mantras.May be it is appropritae for me to cite from AStrological Magzine January 1994 written by Prof.K.S.Ramachandr a Rao > > > > > > > > In the heade topic as Prasiddha Mantras " probably means for siddha mantras.These have been mentioned and grouped as " Siddha Mantras " as they are of ''proven merit.These mantras please note " may use them even when not given by a Guru " Such Mnatras are not " Kamya siddha Mantras. " > > > > For a Mantra to be effective in a particular context ''it must be specifically and individually cmmunicated/ given by a Guru. > > > > Siddha/Prasiddha Mnatras(?) a group of words or letters can have no controverys of any nature.Then " gurupa desato Mnatrah was mentioned for specifics.Mntra when given by A " is powerful and Mantra   Data " is powerful and fuul of potentialities. > > > > In our internet paralance'any mantra will become effective in any stage (of life) when the practice is doubled. > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > >  > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 10/12/09, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> wrote: > > > > > > > > RafaÅ‚ Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> > > > > Re: Re: Prasiddha mantras > > > > > > > > Monday, October 12, 2009, 6:35 PM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > > > > Dear utkal, > > > > > > > > Just before becoming adhikari its good to follow sastra. Your arguments > > > > are against logic based on the sastra. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > ------------ -- > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > http://rohinaa. com > > > > rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com > > > > starsuponme@ wp.pl / > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One makes secrets and Other endorses, Who among you two, got Mantra > > > > > Siddhi, Who is adhikari ? > > > > > > > > > > ~Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, " jyotish " <astrologer_ > > > > > mrutyunjay@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shree Rafal is quite right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is definitely useful in > > > > > > > > > > > > guiding us towards favourable path > > > > > > > > > > > > of work. > > > > > > > > > > > > What is needed is just a little bit of hard work. > > > > > > > > > > > > Favourableness/ unfavourableness or easy success > > > > > > > > > > > > for mantra is clearly > > > > > > > > > > > > indicated in astrological treaties like Prasna Marga, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sarvartha Chintamani etc. etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz > > > > > <starsuponme@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > > > > > > > Dear Hari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If mantra arudha goes to house of the Deva - its prasidha mantra. > > > > > This > > > > > > > is big secret. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can recite those two mantras. Before that pray to Guru, then Sri > > > > > > > Ganesha and ask for forgiveness if you will be destined to make some > > > > > > > mistakes during sadhana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotisha is great tool for picking the right mantra. Otherwise Sri > > > > > > > Parasara, Hari Hara (Prashna Marga) wouldnt bother so much to give > > > > > > > relation between yoga and particular type of sadhana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its like various kind of medicines - some are general and give you > > > > > much > > > > > > > better immune system, some are to-the-point strong medicines. Good > > > > > > > Jyotisha can provide both - like good doctor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The worse treat these techniques as unnecessary as an excuse for > > > > > being > > > > > > > lazy. This is against sastra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > > > > ------------ -- > > > > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com> > > > > > > > rafal@ > > > > > > > starsuponme@ / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel free to pick and chant any mantra you like, to do God's > > > > > sadhana. > > > > > > > > Mantra selection is beoynd capability of a jyotishi, Do not > > > > > worry, The > > > > > > > > god w'd manifest it's blesssing because of your devotion and > > > > > honesty in > > > > > > > > your daily dealings with others, try to remain pure in heart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When initiation requires, God w'd take you to right Guru. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At least for God " Prasiddhi " or " Fame " in this small world doesn't > > > > > > > > matter, He doesnt classify bhakti and mantras in this way > > > > > - " Prasiddha " > > > > > > > > and " Aprasddha " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In sadhana it's said - " Pratistha Sukari Vistha " , " Greed of fame is > > > > > > > > like excreta of a pig " , but these guys are making imaginary > > > > > distinction > > > > > > > > with " Prasiddha " vs " Aprasiddha " . These guys have no idea of > > > > > sadhana, > > > > > > > > instead of learning, they tempt to become " Guru " , Pls take care .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, Harihara Krishnan > > > > > > > > <harih2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rafalji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I came across the below mantra list from an earlier discussion in > > > > > > > > which you participated. I thought that the Navarna mantra (Om > > > > > > > > > Aim Hrim Kleem Chamundayai Vichchai) requires initiation. > > > > > Could you > > > > > > > > > kindly confirm whether I can chant it without initiation, as I am > > > > > > > > > searching for Prasiddha mantra remedies for malefic Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, > > > > > > > > > kindly advise whether the mantra Om Bhurbhuvassuvah > > > > > Sambasadaashivaaya > > > > > > > > > Namah (which you prescribed in your website) could be chanted for > > > > > > > > strengthening lagna Lord Jupiter which is > > > > > > > > > also in 6th House, or is it the mantra mentioned below (Om Tat > > > > > Sat) > > > > > > > > that is most suitable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > > > > > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prasiddha Mantra (Best advise) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun - Om Namah Shivaaya > > > > > > > > > Moon - Om Matre Namah > > > > > > > > > Mars - Om Namo Bhagavate Rudraaya > > > > > > > > > Mercury - Om Vishnave Namah > > > > > > > > > Jupiter - Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > Venus - Om namo Lakshmi Narayanaaya > > > > > > > > > Saturn - Om Namo Naraayanaya > > > > > > > > > Rahu - Om Aim Hrim Kleem Chamundayai Vichchai > > > > > > > > > Ketu - Om Ganeshaaya namah > > > > > > > > > In addition, for Lagna & Karma suddhi: Om namo Bhagavate > > > > > Vasudevaaya > > > > > > > > > (Supreme Intelligence) or Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > > Always prefer these mantra over others as they will give > > > > > definite and > > > > > > > > > good results without any negatives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 utkal, I have had the sidhi of 2 yakshiniswith the help of guru (including brahmandayakshini- the supremo) and 1 mohini, the latter who i sent away with the help of guru. Without guru I have tried ashtayakshini and and know how they act and also suffered a lot on my health.  mayb it will take lot of time for you to understand what they do.. . it is unwise to talk things without the real feel of them. and you may not be aware of the consequences they may create when u play with them without a guru. whatever knowledge u may have keep it for urself, dont spell it out as it may spell destruction for those who are not aware of it. Even kundalini or chakra awakening if not directed properly can cause severe problems to health. Experienced upasaks in the forum will agree to it. Without guru you can chant normal slokas without beeja mantra. not even soundaryalahari. If you have a guru or tantrik near u , go and ask him he will tell u the power of it. SR Rajkumar rajkumar_v3 --- On Wed, 10/14/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar Re: Re: Prasiddha mantras or Siddha Mantras Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 1:38 PM  Utkal. we have seen surgeries performed by quacks in so many parts of India not all r failures, some succeed it is by accident or the luck of the individual it succeds opp is true if good qualified docters also bungle the damage is inversely proportional though the qualified and right approach practioner /sadhaka will do a better job than just on the fly be it reading a book, internet or hear say what comes from Gurumukha is sacred be it medicine or mantras, tantras BTW I saw ur posts on NAXAL violence ending in another group this is same as what lalit has sent to me as lalit If this is not a alias or fake ID? word to word of it is same. when we see some act like nudging ppl it is keeping our eyes ears open for diff sources to give us inputs here Iguess i found it myself any comments on this...! personaly I have no issues with Lalit misra or u all we want is a fair , balanced approach to individuasl subject-Jyotish it deserves. prashant ____________ _________ _________ __ utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ > Wed, October 14, 2009 9:01:15 AM Re: Prasiddha mantras or Siddha Mantras there are different way of functioning of different mantras, when you chant god's mantra, you seek his blessings,unknowing ly, you clean clouds of your karma on your's chitta with divine help, once cleaning is done, you find god has listened to you and your life has got a meaning as well as success. when you chant an yakschini mantra, you invest your will power to attract her then win her, in case, you do not have that potential in you, your mantra will be a failure as your call will not pull an yakschini. no harm happens even with such a mantra chanting, because, without a mantra channel, yakschini can not come to you, if you are scared switch the TV off, i mean, stop chanting yakschini mantra. as simple as that. I had experimented with yakschini mantra, much stupidity is tagged with myths of yakschini. Utkal. , " SR.Rajkumar " <rajkumar_v3@ ...> wrote: > > A mantra, sidha or prasidha has its effect irrespective of being initiated or not. But the result may be be not favourable as it is not being aligned and controlled by guru. A guru knows what combination is to be given for whom and the guru gets the right mantra from the divine directly. this is the process. for eg, if I need to get initiation for srividya , then the guru need to get the go ahead from Rajarajeswari. only then he will give the initiation. this s because all people do not qualify for mantra upadesh at all times. this si a godly/divine realisation of the god. > Secondly as stated, if a person starts chanting a mantra , whether it is sidha or prasidha, the deity shall start devouring the indriyas of the particular person and may also give him some benefits, the result of which the sadhak minds wanders and he stand to lose bodily health and and the mantra shakthi. imagine if somebody starts chanting on yakshini without guru upadesh. she will do him unto death. so plz be catious while publising such messages. it may mislead. > best is guru upadesh. lets stick to it. > > > > SR Rajkumar > rajkumar_v3@ ... > > --- On Tue, 10/13/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> > Re: Re: Prasiddha mantras or Siddha Mantras > > Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 11:19 PM > > >  > > > > Dear Mrithyunjay Ji, > > While I can agree to some of your observations, I cannot so totaly. > > It is very true that the Shatkarmas need initiation. > > However, for serious mantra sadhana of other mantras also need initiation to understand what the mantra actually is and what it represents. Unless a person understands this, it becomes simply mechanical recitation and may not get the desired results. > > " The bold minded " if refered as a person who has the aptitude to understand and make efforts to do so, will be much better.    > > Jyotisha or Prashna Marga does not give authority to do mantra sadhana. It can't simply because it is outside its perview. jyotish, Prashna Marga and other works also provide a lot regarding to Vasthu. It is only to determine certain factors. But the house is the expert domain of Vastu Shastra. > > Similarly Tantra Shastra is the Expert domain of Mantras. > > Even at Ashtamangalya Prashna held at temples, even if there are issues with poojas & rituals or even mantras used, this will be revealed but leave it to the discision of Head Priest of the temple. This is because, Tantra & Agama are their domain and Astrologers however they are proficient will not step into that zone. The only exception will be if the Daivagjna is also a Vaidhika who has the authority to say final word regarding such subjects. > > In kerala during the time of Prashna Marga and even now, most of the traditional family Astrologers are proficient in other sciences along with Astrology such as Vastu or Ayurveda, Tantra etc. So it is natural that they have written about mantras, ayurveda, vastu etc. And these subjects were mostly handled by brahmins. And NO WHERE it is stated that the native should himself do these mantra sadanas and NO WHERE its stated that " Prasidha " does not require initiation. > > " tatpraaptirddharmm amuulaattadanu budhakavii shankarasyaabhishek aal > chandrashchettadvad evatridivapatigu rumantrayantrauS hadhiinaam > sidhyaa mandaarasuuryaa yadi shikhi tamasii tatra vaMsheshapuujaa > kaaryaamnyaayoktari ityaa budhagurunavapaaH kshipramevaatra siddhiH " . > Shatpanchashika > " nyaatoktaritya " is very easy to understand as per nyaya or stiputaled methods. does it mention any where that the native himself should do the rituals?. > > Prashna Marga as has said many other matters. Why shut eye on those aspects? > vedasya chakshuH kila shaastrametal > pradhaanataaMgeShu tatosya yuktaa > aMgairyuto.anyairap i puruNamuurtti- > shchakshurvinaa kaH puruShatvameti. . > jyotishshaastravida gdho gaNItapaTurvR^ ittavaaMshcha satyavachaaH > vinayii vedaadhyaayii grahayajanapaTushch a bhavatu daivaGYaH..  > daivavidevaMbhuuto yavadati phalaM shubhaashubhaM praShTuH > tatsarvam na cha mithyaa bhavati praaGYaistathaa choktam.. >  > Hence it is better not quote classicals out of context or to serve our ends only. >  > " paape karmagate tu karmavihatir " > >  What is use if the native himself doing the rituals if his 10th house is severly afflicted ? > > Sidha, Sadhya, Susidha, Ari Sidha Are NOT REDUNDENT. They are simply not accounted due to lack of knowledge of how to use it or know its relevence.. Prashna Marga & similar classicals advocate similar schemes in the perview of astrology which are simpler, which does not mean As per Shastra it is redundent. Those who have realy practice Tantra as per shastras knows its importance. And they are not going to write on internet. Most don't even know about Internet. > > A person who has the sidhi of Mantra, can sense what is required for a disciple. However, Just because he gives initiation into mantras sadhana without checking factors like jyotisha or Sidhaadhi shodana, doe not give others the authority to do so. That is absurd. > > If Every one could recite mantras just like that what was need for creating Ashtotharas & Sahasranamas. They are equaly powerfull and does not initiation at all But contains all the beejas as well as Mantras. > > In fact, you look at srutis/ smritis, its is not mantras that acharyas has adviced to recite for common man, but stotras, ashtotharas, sahasranama, sankata mochana stotra rina mochana stotras, to do vritas. May be we not common men. > > Finaly, If a person is destined to do mantra sadhana and benefit from it, He shall get some how or other at the appropriate time. That is the power of Mantras. > > A few years back a brahmin family came to me for consulation. After checking their charts and prashna, I declared that they should worship " Yeshoda Krishna "  -Shree Krishna along with his mother, as it is their Kula Devatha. They were surprised and said that a few years back they had visited uttar kasi and were taken to a sadhu by a local. On seeying these elderly couple, the sadhu just gave them a idol of Yeshodha Krishna and asked them to worship it. He also said that they should not stay there with him. > > I hope you understand what happend & why the sadhu said that they should not come to him. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. > >    > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > jyotish <astrologer_ mrutyunj ay > > > Tue, October 13, 2009 3:57:38 PM > Re: Prasiddha mantras or Siddha Mantras > >  > Dear Suresh Jee, > > Formal initiation and availabilty of > > an accomplished Guru is not compulsory for Siddha Mantra. > > It is a tradition in our country to accept all mantra from Guru > > through formal initiation as far as possible including the > > Siddha Mantra or Swatah Siddha Mantras like > > Shiv Panchakshar Mantra, Ram Tarak Mantra, Pushakala Gayatri Mantra, > > Navakshari Mantra, reading or prayers etc. etc. > > Whereas all mantras involving Tantric Kriyas of materialistic nature Shatkarmas ( Sthambhan, Mohan, Marana, Vasya, Uchhatan, Bidraban ) > > require formal learning form an accomplished Guru > > to avoid inherent pitfalls of those mantra and kriyas. > > In our humble opinion Mantra that do not involve Shatkarmas > > can be experiemented by any bold minded public. > > Still they are not free from side effects or negative implications. > > That is where the role of deciding favourableness through astrology comes into. > > The accomplished Guru decides the suitability of mantra through his /her spiritual powers. > > Whereas astrology is secular scientific technical tool to determine the suitability of the mantra. > > The suggestion of astrology as a tool for mantra selection is > > definitely an alternate tool in the absence of an accomplished Guru > > for all those mantra not involving Shatkarmas. > > The procedure of determination of Siddha, Susiddha, Ari, Shatru etc. etc. are also redundant > > when a Guru is guiding your Mantra Sadhana > > he/she is takeing care of your complete wellbeing. > > Guru decides suitability of mantra on the basis of his/her direct knowledge which is far more superior to > > these techniques. > > Regards, > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy > (Consultancy out of group is not free) > > , " Suresh Babu " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Mrithyunjay Ji, > > > > You have given a slightly new deffinition to the word prasidha & sidha. > > > > so accordingly those mantras that do not require are " prasidha mantras " . right? > > > > Let it be any name. You might call them " Prasidha Mantras " , I may call them " sarvani mantras " . It doesn't matter. does it? > > > > But what matters is what are these so called " Prasidha Mantras " . > > What is the classification? > > > > Are you implying that all mantras that is intended for welfare can be recited by any one WITHOUT Inittiation and those mantras used for destruction like vasyam, marana etc are Aprasidha ONLY need initiation? > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " jyotish " <astrologer_ mrutyunjay@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > Some mantra do not require the formal number of minumum recitation to > > > > > > obtain Siddhi or success for a specific purpose. > > > > > > These are called 'Siddha Mantra' or > > > > > > 'Prasiddha Mantra'. > > > > > > Others mantra require formal initiation from Guru > > > > > > who are accomplished in the Mantra. > > > > > > Probably some members using the term 'Apradissha' for it, as apparent from their message. > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > So far as translation of 'Sarda Tilak' is concerned... .. > > > > > > mantra having two 'varna' of contrasting elements such as fire and water close to each other e.g. Rung(fire), Bung(water) > > > > > > etc. are devoid of 'sattwik' qualities. > > > > > > You may notice that the above two are used consecutively > > > > > > in 'Papa Purusha Samskara' in meditation/ pooja > > > > > > done in traditional way i.e. self purification purpose. > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > We should limit our discussion to benefic use of the > > > > > > 'Siddha Mantras' only. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Mruyunjay Tripathy > > > (Consultancy out of group is not free) > > > > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > There is no classification such as prasidha & aprasidha mantras. > > > > > > > > If the mantras are conform to the Mantras Shastra are sidha mantras. > > > > > > > > However, once can say that mantras like " Ohm Namo Narayanaaya " , " Ohm Nama Shivaaya " , " Ohm Namo Bhagavate Vaasudevaayaa " are very common and could be recited by anyone with minimum cleanliness. > > > > > > > > Tantra shatras are many and each lays down their own stipulations for doing Mantra Sadhana. > > > > > > > > However, it is wrong to think that any or every one can do any mantra sadhana simply because it is written in a Tantra. > > > > > > > > Mantra Sadhana or tantra ordained for each sect should not be easily done by others simply because a famous person has written about or it is available on the internet. > > > > > > > > There are Satwic, Rajasic & Tamasic gunas to be considered. > > > > > > > > Sidha, Sadhya, Su Sidha & Ari sidha classifications also are very important. Each has its own results and the way it should be used. Otherwise the results may not only be expected but turn detrimental to the native. > > > > > > > > Dwaitha &  Adwaitha form of worship > > > > > > > > This is complex subject with many factors other than what I have mentioned here. > > > > > > > > We have had numerous messages here about persons not getting the results of reciting mantras. What more do you require to understand the futility of doing something which every one is not supposed to do or they way they do it. > > > > > > > > I also see lot of advices for reciting ekakshara mantras. I am not sure about their knowldege in Tantra shatra. > > > > > > > > However, Sharada Tilaka, a most respected treatise on Tantra / Mantra Shatra says > > > > > > > > " kooTa ekaaksharo mantraH sa evokto niraMshakaH > > > > dvivarNNaH satvaheenaH syaad chaturvarNNastu kekaraH " > > > > > > > > The mantras with one Akshara are called " Koota " and are Niramsha ie: shobha heena ; with two aksharas are satva heena & 4 aksharas are kekaras. > > > > > > > > I am not sure whether ekashara mantras are allowed in other Tantras. I shall welcome any such original Pramanas and not the words of any " famous person " has written about it who ever it is.  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. > > > > > > > > > > > >   > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > > > > > Tue, October 13, 2009 10:13:43 AM > > > > Re: Re: Prasiddha mantras > > > > > > > >  > > > > Dear Sirs > > > > Dealing with importance of Mnatras,there was an article " Concerning Mantras.May be it is appropritae for me to cite from AStrological Magzine January 1994 written by Prof.K.S.Ramachandr a Rao > > > > > > > > In the heade topic as Prasiddha Mantras " probably means for siddha mantras.These have been mentioned and grouped as " Siddha Mantras " as they are of ''proven merit.These mantras please note " may use them even when not given by a Guru " Such Mnatras are not " Kamya siddha Mantras. " > > > > For a Mantra to be effective in a particular context ''it must be specifically and individually cmmunicated/ given by a Guru. > > > > Siddha/Prasiddha Mnatras(?) a group of words or letters can have no controverys of any nature.Then " gurupa desato Mnatrah was mentioned for specifics.Mntra when given by A " is powerful and Mantra   Data " is powerful and fuul of potentialities. > > > > In our internet paralance'any mantra will become effective in any stage (of life) when the practice is doubled. > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > >  > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 10/12/09, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> wrote: > > > > > > > > RafaÅ‚ Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> > > > > Re: Re: Prasiddha mantras > > > > > > > > Monday, October 12, 2009, 6:35 PM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > > > > Dear utkal, > > > > > > > > Just before becoming adhikari its good to follow sastra. Your arguments > > > > are against logic based on the sastra. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > ------------ -- > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > http://rohinaa. com > > > > rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com > > > > starsuponme@ wp.pl / > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One makes secrets and Other endorses, Who among you two, got Mantra > > > > > Siddhi, Who is adhikari ? > > > > > > > > > > ~Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, " jyotish " <astrologer_ > > > > > mrutyunjay@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shree Rafal is quite right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is definitely useful in > > > > > > > > > > > > guiding us towards favourable path > > > > > > > > > > > > of work. > > > > > > > > > > > > What is needed is just a little bit of hard work. > > > > > > > > > > > > Favourableness/ unfavourableness or easy success > > > > > > > > > > > > for mantra is clearly > > > > > > > > > > > > indicated in astrological treaties like Prasna Marga, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sarvartha Chintamani etc. etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, RafaÅ‚ Gendarz > > > > > <starsuponme@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /*hraum krishnaya namah*/ > > > > > > > Dear Hari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If mantra arudha goes to house of the Deva - its prasidha mantra. > > > > > This > > > > > > > is big secret. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can recite those two mantras. Before that pray to Guru, then Sri > > > > > > > Ganesha and ask for forgiveness if you will be destined to make some > > > > > > > mistakes during sadhana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotisha is great tool for picking the right mantra. Otherwise Sri > > > > > > > Parasara, Hari Hara (Prashna Marga) wouldnt bother so much to give > > > > > > > relation between yoga and particular type of sadhana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its like various kind of medicines - some are general and give you > > > > > much > > > > > > > better immune system, some are to-the-point strong medicines. Good > > > > > > > Jyotisha can provide both - like good doctor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The worse treat these techniques as unnecessary as an excuse for > > > > > being > > > > > > > lazy. This is against sastra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > SJC Jyotish Guru > > > > > > > ------------ -- > > > > > > > /*Consultations & Pages* > > > > > > > http://rohinaa. com <http://rohinaa. com> > > > > > > > rafal@ > > > > > > > starsuponme@ / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi pisze: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feel free to pick and chant any mantra you like, to do God's > > > > > sadhana. > > > > > > > > Mantra selection is beoynd capability of a jyotishi, Do not > > > > > worry, The > > > > > > > > god w'd manifest it's blesssing because of your devotion and > > > > > honesty in > > > > > > > > your daily dealings with others, try to remain pure in heart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When initiation requires, God w'd take you to right Guru. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At least for God " Prasiddhi " or " Fame " in this small world doesn't > > > > > > > > matter, He doesnt classify bhakti and mantras in this way > > > > > - " Prasiddha " > > > > > > > > and " Aprasddha " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In sadhana it's said - " Pratistha Sukari Vistha " , " Greed of fame is > > > > > > > > like excreta of a pig " , but these guys are making imaginary > > > > > distinction > > > > > > > > with " Prasiddha " vs " Aprasiddha " . These guys have no idea of > > > > > sadhana, > > > > > > > > instead of learning, they tempt to become " Guru " , Pls take care .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com> > > > > > > > > <Jyotish_ Remedies% 40. com>, Harihara Krishnan > > > > > > > > <harih2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rafalji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I came across the below mantra list from an earlier discussion in > > > > > > > > which you participated. I thought that the Navarna mantra (Om > > > > > > > > > Aim Hrim Kleem Chamundayai Vichchai) requires initiation. > > > > > Could you > > > > > > > > > kindly confirm whether I can chant it without initiation, as I am > > > > > > > > > searching for Prasiddha mantra remedies for malefic Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, > > > > > > > > > kindly advise whether the mantra Om Bhurbhuvassuvah > > > > > Sambasadaashivaaya > > > > > > > > > Namah (which you prescribed in your website) could be chanted for > > > > > > > > strengthening lagna Lord Jupiter which is > > > > > > > > > also in 6th House, or is it the mantra mentioned below (Om Tat > > > > > Sat) > > > > > > > > that is most suitable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > > > > > > Hari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prasiddha Mantra (Best advise) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun - Om Namah Shivaaya > > > > > > > > > Moon - Om Matre Namah > > > > > > > > > Mars - Om Namo Bhagavate Rudraaya > > > > > > > > > Mercury - Om Vishnave Namah > > > > > > > > > Jupiter - Om Tat Sat > > > > > > > > > Venus - Om namo Lakshmi Narayanaaya > > > > > > > > > Saturn - Om Namo Naraayanaya > > > > > > > > > Rahu - Om Aim Hrim Kleem Chamundayai Vichchai > > > > > > > > > Ketu - Om Ganeshaaya namah > > > > > > > > > In addition, for Lagna & Karma suddhi: Om namo Bhagavate > > > > > Vasudevaaya > > > > > > > > > (Supreme Intelligence) or Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > > Always prefer these mantra over others as they will give > > > > > definite and > > > > > > > > > good results without any negatives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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