Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Pujay shri Sureshji, Lord of 6th and 7th - Saturn in 5th house, what effect does that have since at present Sada Sati is on. If need be birth details are as follows: DOB 18 - AUG 1931 POB KARACHI[NOW IN PAKISTAN] TOB 08-00 A.M. I shall be much obliged for yr comment. pdk --- On Tue, 13/10/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote: Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag Re: Re: dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean? Tuesday, 13 October, 2009, 1:04 PM Dear All, Here is another chart, DOB : 09-Mar-1985 TOB : 02:40 PM Lon : 76:29 E Lat : 09:01 N You will see that 5th is having Ketu from lagna But 4th is having Moon and is aspected by Venus + Mercury in the 7th of Moon 5th from Moon is having debilated Jupiter. He married outside the caste (debilated jupiter?). A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > Tue, October 13, 2009 4:15:56 PM Re: Re: dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean? Sirs, To set right all your doubts at rest iam giving a case below of a Girl who is married now:17-02-1976, (81E00,24N47) 12.03.oo( midnight of 16thfeb1976) iam sure if you just analyse the chart you should be able to know the situation of marraige.A highly educated girl of an orthodoxical well settled family.Her chart should clarify also how marriages are made in heaven. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) --- On Tue, 10/13/09, namrata_syal <namrata_syal@ > wrote: namrata_syal <namrata_syal@ > Re: dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean? Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 4:19 AM suresh ji,its very good to hear that u have the same combination. ...may your love remain the same forever and ever..even my daughter has the same thing in her chart....can you please tell me the definition of love marriage in astrology?1- does it mean going against your parents and getting married or 2-does it mean some sort of love cum arranged marriage.... in both the above cases love is materialize into marriage..but do we see the above cases through the same procedure? , " Suresh Babu " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Namrata syal, > > By the way, forgot to mention that I have 5th lord in the 7th and mine was not a love marriage, a traditional arranged marriage and surely we love each other. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Namrata Syal, > > > > I am not sure why you are keen on this love affair. However, Since you asked about the effects of 5th lord in the 7th, I shall give you the quotes from various classical texts. > > > > > > Parashar > > Suteshe saptame maanii sarvadharmasmanvita H > > Putraadisukhayuktas hcha paropakaraNe rataH > > > > If the 5th lord is in the 7th , the native shall be respectable of righteous deeds and all virtues, > > Have happiness like from children & be very kind to help others. > > > > Manasagari > > Tanayapatau saptamage > > svasutaaH subhagaashcadevagur ubhaktaaH > > priyavaadiniisushee laa > > narasyananujaayated ayitaa. > > > > His son shall be very lucky & will be devoted to god & guru. His wife shall speak sweetly & have very good character. > > > > Jatakadesham > > paapaH paapekshito vaa yadi balarahitaH > > paapavarggasthito vaa > > putrasthaanaadhipo vaa > > mritibhavanapatirmm aandiraashiishva ro vaa > > niichasthashchaamar eDyo madhupagatasitaH > > paapasaMyuktashukra H > > kuryuste daaranaashaM madanamupagataaH > > saumyayogeskhaNonaa H.. > > > > Melefic aspected by malefic > > Malefic devoid of strength > > Malefic having malefic vargas > > 5th lord > > 8th lord > > Dispositor of Gulika > > Debilated Jupiter > > Venus in vrischika sign > > Venus along with Malefic > > If any of the above occurs in the 7th and doesn't have benefic association or aspect, spouse shall die. > > > > None of the above does not even hint about love marriage. The maximum they go is as far as saying that the person (spouce) shall speak very sweatly and will be full of good virtues. > > > > At the Jatakadesa gives a different effect, that if the 5th lord is placed in the 7th, the spouce shall die If it is not associated or aspected by benefics. (this might be during pregnancy). > > > > sweat talikng need not end up in love or marriage always and atleast in India , good virtues implies that they does not go against traditional customes. Hence, it is rare that such people end up in love marriage. I am not implying that those having love marriages doesn't not good virtues, only that most are against customes and even against the wishes of parents. A cat is a cat & spade a spade not matter what you paint them with. > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " namrata_syal " <namrata_syal@ > wrote: > > > > > > suresh ji,vattem ji and all respected astrologers. . > > > suresh ji u mean that relation between 4th and 7th house is the indicative of love marriage?can you please explain us that how is it so?as i think that 4th house is the house of moon whcih generally related to mother..i even read somewhere that 2nd house whcih is called house of family relation to 7th house also indicate love marriage..please clear our doubt..also i would like to know the defination of love marriage in astrology..does it mean going against your parents and marryng someone or does it mean love cum arranged marriage...please assist and help us to learn.. > > > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > With all due respects, I have been seeying this love marriage being associated with 5th all over the internet. > > > > > > > > I don't expect to correct you or others, because I am aware that some of these neo ideas where propagated by much " famous scholars " and I am a very small fry. > > > > > > > > However I would like you and the members to think about the following > > > > > > > > 5th is santhana sthana, pragjna sthana, mantra sthana > > > > The Karaka for each of the above is Jupiter alone - the Guru. > > > > > > > > 4th is Matru sthana, Mana sthana , griha sthana, Vahana Sthana, vidhya sthana, suhrit sthana > > > > The karaka for each are > > > > Matru - Moon in general > > > > Sookshma karaka > > > > Day Birth : Venus is mother & Moon is Mother's Sister > > > > Night Birth: Moon is mother & Venus is Mother's Sister > > > > Mana : Moon > > > > Griha : Venus > > > > Vahana : Venus > > > > Vidhya : Mercury > > > > Suhrit : Venus & Mercury > > > > > > > > So you can see the logic of assigning all the three Moon, Venus & Mercury as Karakas for the 4th. > > > > > > > > 7th is Kalatra Sthana & Karaka is Venus alone > > > > > > > > Another paryaya for Venus is given as " Sneha " that is love. It has also another meaning : Ghee which is a lubricant also - Fat. > > > > > > > > Now Love is an infactuation of the emotional state of mind. > > > > Love can be between > > > > son & mother > > > > brothers & sisters > > > > between friends (atma suhrit) > > > > a human being & his pet dog or any other animal > > > > a human being & his vehicle (yes! I have seen it) > > > > a person & his god > > > > husband & wife (even if it is arranged marriage) > > > > > > > > In all the above we can see that the bond of love is a state of emotion and is related to 4th house. You might have seen people who have gone mental truma due to accindents even, are emotionaly dead. > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Guru & He is the remover / enemy of ignorence. Where in the scriptures is he depicted as a god of Love?. > > > > > > > > Just because the love between a boy & girl will result in children qualify 5th house for love marriage? How many love birds thus married / " living together " are without children or voluntorily decide not have children. So how can we associate 5th house with love marriage. Doesn't those who had arranged marriage have children? > > > > > > > > Karaka of 5th & karaka of 7th are natural enemies as well. What kind of love will be there between a danava guru & daithya guru > > > > > > > > Is in't prudent to stick to core basics of logic to understand horoscopes? > > > > > > > > The relationship between 4th house & its karakas, 7th house & its karaka , their lords, Lord of Lagna & lord of & 7th would be better candidates to love marriage. > > > > > > > > I fact do remember that assciation between 5th house/lord & 7th house/lord is said to result in various kinds of marital problems some Visible to others & some not. > > > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> > > > > > > > > Mon, October 12, 2009 11:39:37 AM > > > > Re: dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > Nmarata Ji, > > > > An interesting question.Yes the connectivity of 5th and 7th houses brings into emotions and love.7th represents spouse and if gets related to 5th then spouse could be person of your choice.Then you need also to check position of dispositors of 5th and 7th houses where they are and how ell they are palced to facilitate into marraige.if malefic planets like saturn,sun and mars influence 7th,possibility to end up marraige will be difficult or the relationship after marraige to may land into troubles. > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 10/11/09, namrata_syal <namrata_syal@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > namrata_syal <namrata_syal@ > > > > > dear sir,what does 5th lord in 7th house mean? > > > > > > > > Sunday, October 11, 2009, 3:49 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is it bad for relationship? or does it result into love marriage?how can we see that the love affair can turn into marriage? > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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