Guest guest Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 To All, I was away for 3 months from all fora and had not read this thread till now. Many astrologers have put in good ideas, and Shenoy Ji has done a good job to organize the discussion properly by classifying the sub-topics to some extent. Shenoy Ji writes : <<< In practical trading daily movement of sensex is of little help unless the movement changes sharply on the mid-day, which takes any one by surprise and chances of loss is high.>>> This view is the majority view, ie, the view of those who have little or no practical experience in real time Day Trading. Day Traders in all stock exchanges of the world employ myriads of stochastic and other techniques to make small profits at almost each up and down. Experienced day traders prosper even in a recessing market, because the main principle of Day Trading is based not on overall loss or gain of index in a day or more, but on making profits at each small plus or minus change by means of selling when high and buying when low. There are 25 such chances per working day, and 15-20 of them may witness more than 0.25% difference in stock prices. Add them, and it makes 4-5% profit per day, even if there is no major bullish or bearish activity. If there are major changes, profits may be much more than 5%. Non-astrologers do not know why there are 25 ups plus downs per 6 hours of working day. This strange phenomenon can be explained ONLY astrologically : there are about 25 distinct horoscopes during 6 hours due to nearly 25 transits of planets into various bhaavas. Thus, there are 25 distinct charts per working day for a given place, and each of them should be analyzed strictly according to standard rules of phalita jyotisha. This technique is time-consuming, but it is ACCURATE, provided both Ganita and Phalita are based on original precepts of sages. This technique will give graph of ALL companies registered at a particular stock exchange, but can be roughly used to predict behaviour of most effective companies, as grouped under Sensex or Nifty. One can use this technique to buy/sell shares of ALL 30 companies of Sensex simultaneously, because individual companies may differ from the combined graph and may cheat the investor due to different astrological fate as ensuing from the horoscope of that company or of its chief owners. For mid-term and long-term investments, this technique is of no use : one must use national horoscopes of three types : annual chart of Mesha Samkraanti, Nakshatra charts which work for about 14 days, and Shashtyamsha charts which work for about 12 hours. Now, market capitalization of topmost 30 or 50 companies account for a good part of national wealth in India, hence 2nd bhaava in national horoscope can be used to predict behaviour of Sensex or Nifty. I have tested above ideas successfully. But if the investor's personal fate is not good, planetary propitiation must be performed before doing anything in this field. Shenoy ji puts forth a good question : " How do we find the days on which he is likely to make profits or loss? " The answer depends upon the accuracy of analysis of stocks as well as of one'e own charts. In personal charts, most influential factors are Vimshottsri plus Varshaphala+Maasaphala. If the praana-dahsaa of a given planet lasts for many days, exact timing of its chief effect can be determined from the ratio of its degrees (foorgetting the raashi) to 30 degrees and getting the same ratio in the duration of that praana-dashaa. Gochara helps further in exact timing of events. All astrologers in this thread already know the rudimentary concepts outlined above, but the problem arises from application of PHYSICAL astronomy which can never be cured on internet. -Vinay Jha =============== === , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Dear Vijay Rajput & Vinay Jha, > > I have to thank both of you posting the info regarding work on stock movements > > I aware that the research on the subject is time consuming and tedious job. > > However, I think there are 2 basic issues that need to addressed. > > 1) daily movemnt of sensex along with sectoral indices. > 2) Individual compatability with trading prospects in general > 3) individuals daily rate of success or failure (profit /loss). > > In practical trading daily movement of sensex is of little help unless the movement changes sharply on the mid-day, which takes any one by surprise and chances of loss is high. > > How de we determine with certainity that an individual shall be successfull in trading business? this does not involve long term investments, but pure trading activity. > > Even if an individual is so compatable, he need make profit every day. How do we find the days on which he is likely to make profits or loss? > > If we can find a resonable answer with atleast 60 to 70% of success rate, it would be helpfull to many ordinary citizens who venture into stock market expecting to make quick bucks. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. > ________________________________ > Vijay Rajput vijayrajput13 > > Sat, October 17, 2009 3:50:11 PM > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > Dear Prashantji,Krishnan ji and Sureshji,Namste, > Happy Diwali to you and you family members. > > As Jupiter is in direct motion Bank Nifty,Reality, and infrastructures are moving as predicted in the earlier post.Today Sun is moved in to tula rasi and you will see some fall in the market and this may continue for one or two trading sessions.As sun gives it's results at entry of the sign.Further move in the Bank stocks/BankNifty is likely in the 1st week of Nov 2009.Particapation in the market will also impove in this week.Inester' s sentiments is going to improve in next moon as ketu will move out of Karka rasi.Ketu in karka harmed the market sentimentaly. > All the best > Take Care > Vijay > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > wrote: > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > Saturday, October 3, 2009, 2:56 PM > > > > Dear Friends, > > The Sensex touching 17000 can not be considered as a guide for the improvement of trading. > > Mars into a water sign ruled by Moon is bound to give jitters.being a festival season,with fears of famine.due to short fall of rains are bound to have impact on sentiments. > > Globallly finances in stocks has not chnaged much.mainly mutual funds happened to be main attaractions has still not raised hopes for investor.Realty sector yet waiting for bank incentives.Even banks too starved for advances.Private sector except communications. chemiclas and where Govt holds major stakes is giving hopes.Thanx to our strong economic base that is sparing the Govt tradings. > > At this point of time till jupiter moves direct a cautious approach need to be exercised. > > One exception:For those daily tarding is their stuff they can be relentless as profits and losses go hand in hand.Beware speculation are guided by one's strength of 8th house aknown malefic house. > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > wrote: > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > Saturday, October 3, 2009, 10:18 AM > > > > Dear Vijay > > it is a good post but will like u to apply this for a week coming Next monday or the week after on the said principles and make ur forecast and ideal is to do it for the entire month week wise and this will cover the sun entry into Libra also so 2 weeks in Librta can also be studied a practical series of 3-4 weeks is a welcome one > > as it is a known fact that Mkts can't be really predicted by even the best of expeets else why will we have the crisis that engulfed the world in this magnitude at least a indication knowing it will happen this bad was not said leave alone the %age > > u can see in some groups a few members r trying to predict the same with the Sankranti yr model or sankranti Purusha, the aditipatis for diff sectors and not much has happened to that on the 1st occassion 2nd one is mixed. > > orashant > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vijay Rajput <vijayrajput13@ > > > > > Sat, October 3, 2009 4:14:40 PM > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > Dear Satya Ji,Namaste, > > Past 2-3 years I am tracking the stock market by using the basic principle of Vedic Astrology.My guru is helping me much in this regard.In the month of April On 9th April 2009 while answering a query I have predicted the short term bull run in the stock market after the transit of Jupiter. > > Again in the month of June I have predicted the consolidation of market and good rise in market is likely after 15th Oct 2009. > > Now how to use astrology is important.The boss of speculation is Saturn so closely watch the movement of Sat. > > Jupiter is dhanad it's movement and good position always indicates the liquidity in the market and you may be knowing at present only liquidity and speculation is driving the market.Monthly movement is to be seen by the move ment of Sun and sun gives the results at its entry.For day to day movement the move ment of Moon is very Important.And to track the intra day movement,the movement of Moon in D-60 is very Important and it can ve used for the movement of market.The navamsa position of planets gives the sector wise movement. > > In the coming period Jupiter and Mars will be sitting opposite to each other during this period you will see the sharp move in Banking,Realityand Infrastructure sectors.Watch the Bank Nifty. > > You can draw the Nifty Future's chart and use the daily transit on this chart. > > Even you can cast the individual chart of stocks. > > All the best > > Take care > > Vijay > > --- On Mon, 9/28/09, Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > wrote: > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > Monday, September 28, 2009, 10:09 AM > > Hello Sathya Ji, > > Financial Astrology and particulalrly Stock trading is an emerging concept.A couple of seminars have been held here there and some writers have also contributes articles in express Star teller. > > After economic rforms when privatisation on large scale with PPPs ,JVs and Venture Capital coming into existence the trade and economics was undergoing sea change. > > And to upset the calculations, the war like situatins,monopoly of oil producing contries have taken away sheen in the trade market. > > with huge success in Indian trade of mutual funds in India Astrologers basing financial Institutions performance and with blue chips of Larsen & Tubro,Tata, Relinace and Birla etc the speculation gianed lot of importance as the risk has increased.These major industries suddenly went behind screen with realty sector and DLF coming into picture. > > It is now certain,value of shares continue to hover around 5-6 major secctors like land,Reality, Pharma,steel, cement and other constructions industries. > > Apart from,Jupiter, venus,and Mercury,mars to has it's role in share market. > > we hear about Bulls and bears.Bearish tency is always when visionaries get combust mainly during amvasya days. > > Nodes too have role in sudden spurts in share values.The moon waxing is an indication for once investment to give return. > > But short term and long term invest definetely has to be based on the traditional view of slow moving palnets(Saturn, Jupiter and Vneus) and short term the main trade is based on moon,mars and mercury. > > when mercury conjunct,combust one has to be careful in putchasing stocks.Buying is investment and the trading has to be done on day to day basis looking into moons brightness other wise.the timing too has to be decided when sun is almost free from any malefic aspects. > > Sudden gains are always based on 8th house including horses races,lotteries and windfalls..8th t0 8th that is 3rd also trade,commerce and communication for disposals. > > 5th known to be house of intution has a major role intrading of stcocks. 11th bhava income house and 2nd for wealth when afflicted in natal chart one has to be very cautious in netering stcok markets. > > In traidng of stcoks losses are inherent,role of 12th house can never be discounted .malefics in 12th always represent heavy losses.Benifics may help in minimising losses.Thes fundamentals of Astrology cannever be ignored. > > Commodity specifics lke ketu for pharmas,venus for building.saturn for steel,Sun for Gold,mercury for chemicals and mars for land etc indicate their importance. > > Mind dual houses represented by pisces9watery sign) gemini(airy sign) virgo (earthy sign) and finally sagittarus(fiery sign) throw light on the nature of commodities also.Precious metals and stomes are always looked from 1,7and9 and buildings.2, 6 & 10,chemicals/ pahrma3,7 and 11.Allwatery signs for cold sotages,beverages and thermal equipment etc. > > Some studies and guidance cane be obatained from pranavasramam. org.Some books written on the subject have yet to gain currency.Visit to Bhavan's university Book Store in Delhi and sagar publications may help as titles can be seen.writer who have brought out publications both in Hindia and English may not be established writers. > > Last but not the least natives have 2-3 retrograde planets require caution in vest ments.however scripts for immediate gains can be traded.Having good jupiter karak for wealth can take risks and like wise venus dasa and exalted venus in pisces can go in for any type of trading.dasa of rahu ,Sade sati,trading in limited way may be done if moon is not debilitated or weak. > > EXpress Star Teller has brought out some articles written by JUB Sastry and other whcich are of help. > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > --- On Sat, 9/26/09, sathya <rainbow_in> wrote: > > sathya <rainbow_in> > > can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > Cc: bursar_99 > > Saturday, September 26, 2009, 2:55 AM > > hello., > > Can the most learned seniors & experts show some way > > to apply astrology on Stock market. > > what are the reasons and how the planetary position will take the Stock Market up and what combination' s will make the Stock market come down. > > what are the sectors which can rise and as of now till what time can be upside bull market can sustain, > > Pls advice me some good books on using Astrology in Stock market, > > thanks > > sathya > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 Dear Vinay Jha & others Thank you very much for further inputs from yourside. I started on a research on the subject as I was also a very active participant in the daily stock trading and still holds DP accounts. So I have a first hand experience & knowledge of practical issues of trading for a common person. Unfortunately could not do much on the astrogical part due to heavy distractions, either from my own business or people comming to see me with their problems. Ultimately I was forced to set is aside the work since as you know finding answers to those in distress & helping them is more important than this activity. Unlike in other countries, where the market is driven by strong fundamentals, Indian market conditions varies if a politician just smiles on the tv screen. Till a few years back trading activity was based on personal contacts. But new internet technologies has made it easier to trade online due to which a lot of persons many having little knowledge of the business came into the arena. Most of the companies (Major Brokers) focused on trading volume than the participants profits and hence issues many unrealistic trading tips, which evetually ended in heavy loss to the commonor. This practicaly made trading in India a gamble than a prudent investment or business activity. The sad part is that the Major brokers knew what happens even when their clients are loosing money. They have far more advanced softwares than what they provide their customers. However, atleast some of those companies has realised the mistake and trying to regain the confidence of the small traders by providing more realistic tips and infos and focusing on the profits made by these ordinary members. Regarding the success rate on each day: In this regard I would like those who are either trading or doing research watch the movement of Moon through 2 set of signs - Upachaya & Anupachaya signs either from native moon / 2nd house / 11nth house / their lords / venus / mercury / Jupiter for starters. Signs thus involved and aspected by transiting jupiter or the above lords just might hold the key for days profits or loss in trading. The above concepts (which is pure traditional astrological concept) may have to watched over a few days trading and logged carefully. The results may be much helpfull in real trading than theoritical works. I also would request Shree Vinay Jha to refrain from starting all over again on " Physical " & His concept of astronomy, which does not help practically any body. It would make sense to produce what the common person shall understand and can use. regards A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ________________________________ VJha <vinayjhaa16 Sat, October 17, 2009 9:33:05 PM Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market To All, I was away for 3 months from all fora and had not read this thread till now. Many astrologers have put in good ideas, and Shenoy Ji has done a good job to organize the discussion properly by classifying the sub-topics to some extent. Shenoy Ji writes : <<< In practical trading daily movement of sensex is of little help unless the movement changes sharply on the mid-day, which takes any one by surprise and chances of loss is high.>>> This view is the majority view, ie, the view of those who have little or no practical experience in real time Day Trading. Day Traders in all stock exchanges of the world employ myriads of stochastic and other techniques to make small profits at almost each up and down. Experienced day traders prosper even in a recessing market, because the main principle of Day Trading is based not on overall loss or gain of index in a day or more, but on making profits at each small plus or minus change by means of selling when high and buying when low. There are 25 such chances per working day, and 15-20 of them may witness more than 0.25% difference in stock prices. Add them, and it makes 4-5% profit per day, even if there is no major bullish or bearish activity. If there are major changes, profits may be much more than 5%. Non-astrologers do not know why there are 25 ups plus downs per 6 hours of working day. This strange phenomenon can be explained ONLY astrologically : there are about 25 distinct horoscopes during 6 hours due to nearly 25 transits of planets into various bhaavas. Thus, there are 25 distinct charts per working day for a given place, and each of them should be analyzed strictly according to standard rules of phalita jyotisha. This technique is time-consuming, but it is ACCURATE, provided both Ganita and Phalita are based on original precepts of sages. This technique will give graph of ALL companies registered at a particular stock exchange, but can be roughly used to predict behaviour of most effective companies, as grouped under Sensex or Nifty. One can use this technique to buy/sell shares of ALL 30 companies of Sensex simultaneously, because individual companies may differ from the combined graph and may cheat the investor due to different astrological fate as ensuing from the horoscope of that company or of its chief owners. For mid-term and long-term investments, this technique is of no use : one must use national horoscopes of three types : annual chart of Mesha Samkraanti, Nakshatra charts which work for about 14 days, and Shashtyamsha charts which work for about 12 hours. Now, market capitalization of topmost 30 or 50 companies account for a good part of national wealth in India, hence 2nd bhaava in national horoscope can be used to predict behaviour of Sensex or Nifty. I have tested above ideas successfully. But if the investor's personal fate is not good, planetary propitiation must be performed before doing anything in this field. Shenoy ji puts forth a good question : " How do we find the days on which he is likely to make profits or loss? " The answer depends upon the accuracy of analysis of stocks as well as of one'e own charts. In personal charts, most influential factors are Vimshottsri plus Varshaphala+ Maasaphala. If the praana-dahsaa of a given planet lasts for many days, exact timing of its chief effect can be determined from the ratio of its degrees (foorgetting the raashi) to 30 degrees and getting the same ratio in the duration of that praana-dashaa. Gochara helps further in exact timing of events. All astrologers in this thread already know the rudimentary concepts outlined above, but the problem arises from application of PHYSICAL astronomy which can never be cured on internet. -Vinay Jha ============ === === , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Vijay Rajput & Vinay Jha, > > I have to thank both of you posting the info regarding work on stock movements > > I aware that the research on the subject is time consuming and tedious job. > > However, I think there are 2 basic issues that need to addressed. > > 1) daily movemnt of sensex along with sectoral indices. > 2) Individual compatability with trading prospects in general > 3) individuals daily rate of success or failure (profit /loss). > > In practical trading daily movement of sensex is of little help unless the movement changes sharply on the mid-day, which takes any one by surprise and chances of loss is high. > > How de we determine with certainity that an individual shall be successfull in trading business? this does not involve long term investments, but pure trading activity. > > Even if an individual is so compatable, he need make profit every day. How do we find the days on which he is likely to make profits or loss? > > If we can find a resonable answer with atleast 60 to 70% of success rate, it would be helpfull to many ordinary citizens who venture into stock market expecting to make quick bucks. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Vijay Rajput vijayrajput13@ ... > > Sat, October 17, 2009 3:50:11 PM > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > Dear Prashantji,Krishnan ji and Sureshji,Namste, > Happy Diwali to you and you family members. > > As Jupiter is in direct motion Bank Nifty,Reality, and infrastructures are moving as predicted in the earlier post.Today Sun is moved in to tula rasi and you will see some fall in the market and this may continue for one or two trading sessions.As sun gives it's results at entry of the sign.Further move in the Bank stocks/BankNifty is likely in the 1st week of Nov 2009.Particapation in the market will also impove in this week.Inester' s sentiments is going to improve in next moon as ketu will move out of Karka rasi.Ketu in karka harmed the market sentimentaly. > All the best > Take Care > Vijay > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > wrote: > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > Saturday, October 3, 2009, 2:56 PM > > > > Dear Friends, > > The Sensex touching 17000 can not be considered as a guide for the improvement of trading. > > Mars into a water sign ruled by Moon is bound to give jitters.being a festival season,with fears of famine.due to short fall of rains are bound to have impact on sentiments. > > Globallly finances in stocks has not chnaged much.mainly mutual funds happened to be main attaractions has still not raised hopes for investor.Realty sector yet waiting for bank incentives.Even banks too starved for advances.Private sector except communications. chemiclas and where Govt holds major stakes is giving hopes.Thanx to our strong economic base that is sparing the Govt tradings. > > At this point of time till jupiter moves direct a cautious approach need to be exercised. > > One exception:For those daily tarding is their stuff they can be relentless as profits and losses go hand in hand.Beware speculation are guided by one's strength of 8th house aknown malefic house. > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > wrote: > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > Saturday, October 3, 2009, 10:18 AM > > > > Dear Vijay > > it is a good post but will like u to apply this for a week coming Next monday or the week after on the said principles and make ur forecast and ideal is to do it for the entire month week wise and this will cover the sun entry into Libra also so 2 weeks in Librta can also be studied a practical series of 3-4 weeks is a welcome one > > as it is a known fact that Mkts can't be really predicted by even the best of expeets else why will we have the crisis that engulfed the world in this magnitude at least a indication knowing it will happen this bad was not said leave alone the %age > > u can see in some groups a few members r trying to predict the same with the Sankranti yr model or sankranti Purusha, the aditipatis for diff sectors and not much has happened to that on the 1st occassion 2nd one is mixed. > > orashant > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vijay Rajput <vijayrajput13@ > > > > > Sat, October 3, 2009 4:14:40 PM > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > Dear Satya Ji,Namaste, > > Past 2-3 years I am tracking the stock market by using the basic principle of Vedic Astrology.My guru is helping me much in this regard.In the month of April On 9th April 2009 while answering a query I have predicted the short term bull run in the stock market after the transit of Jupiter. > > Again in the month of June I have predicted the consolidation of market and good rise in market is likely after 15th Oct 2009. > > Now how to use astrology is important.The boss of speculation is Saturn so closely watch the movement of Sat. > > Jupiter is dhanad it's movement and good position always indicates the liquidity in the market and you may be knowing at present only liquidity and speculation is driving the market.Monthly movement is to be seen by the move ment of Sun and sun gives the results at its entry.For day to day movement the move ment of Moon is very Important.And to track the intra day movement,the movement of Moon in D-60 is very Important and it can ve used for the movement of market.The navamsa position of planets gives the sector wise movement. > > In the coming period Jupiter and Mars will be sitting opposite to each other during this period you will see the sharp move in Banking,Realityand Infrastructure sectors.Watch the Bank Nifty. > > You can draw the Nifty Future's chart and use the daily transit on this chart. > > Even you can cast the individual chart of stocks. > > All the best > > Take care > > Vijay > > --- On Mon, 9/28/09, Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > wrote: > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > Monday, September 28, 2009, 10:09 AM > > Hello Sathya Ji, > > Financial Astrology and particulalrly Stock trading is an emerging concept.A couple of seminars have been held here there and some writers have also contributes articles in express Star teller. > > After economic rforms when privatisation on large scale with PPPs ,JVs and Venture Capital coming into existence the trade and economics was undergoing sea change. > > And to upset the calculations, the war like situatins,monopoly of oil producing contries have taken away sheen in the trade market. > > with huge success in Indian trade of mutual funds in India Astrologers basing financial Institutions performance and with blue chips of Larsen & Tubro,Tata, Relinace and Birla etc the speculation gianed lot of importance as the risk has increased.These major industries suddenly went behind screen with realty sector and DLF coming into picture. > > It is now certain,value of shares continue to hover around 5-6 major secctors like land,Reality, Pharma,steel, cement and other constructions industries. > > Apart from,Jupiter, venus,and Mercury,mars to has it's role in share market. > > we hear about Bulls and bears.Bearish tency is always when visionaries get combust mainly during amvasya days. > > Nodes too have role in sudden spurts in share values.The moon waxing is an indication for once investment to give return. > > But short term and long term invest definetely has to be based on the traditional view of slow moving palnets(Saturn, Jupiter and Vneus) and short term the main trade is based on moon,mars and mercury. > > when mercury conjunct,combust one has to be careful in putchasing stocks.Buying is investment and the trading has to be done on day to day basis looking into moons brightness other wise.the timing too has to be decided when sun is almost free from any malefic aspects. > > Sudden gains are always based on 8th house including horses races,lotteries and windfalls..8th t0 8th that is 3rd also trade,commerce and communication for disposals. > > 5th known to be house of intution has a major role intrading of stcocks. 11th bhava income house and 2nd for wealth when afflicted in natal chart one has to be very cautious in netering stcok markets. > > In traidng of stcoks losses are inherent,role of 12th house can never be discounted .malefics in 12th always represent heavy losses.Benifics may help in minimising losses.Thes fundamentals of Astrology cannever be ignored. > > Commodity specifics lke ketu for pharmas,venus for building.saturn for steel,Sun for Gold,mercury for chemicals and mars for land etc indicate their importance. > > Mind dual houses represented by pisces9watery sign) gemini(airy sign) virgo (earthy sign) and finally sagittarus(fiery sign) throw light on the nature of commodities also.Precious metals and stomes are always looked from 1,7and9 and buildings.2, 6 & 10,chemicals/ pahrma3,7 and 11.Allwatery signs for cold sotages,beverages and thermal equipment etc. > > Some studies and guidance cane be obatained from pranavasramam. org.Some books written on the subject have yet to gain currency.Visit to Bhavan's university Book Store in Delhi and sagar publications may help as titles can be seen.writer who have brought out publications both in Hindia and English may not be established writers. > > Last but not the least natives have 2-3 retrograde planets require caution in vest ments.however scripts for immediate gains can be traded.Having good jupiter karak for wealth can take risks and like wise venus dasa and exalted venus in pisces can go in for any type of trading.dasa of rahu ,Sade sati,trading in limited way may be done if moon is not debilitated or weak. > > EXpress Star Teller has brought out some articles written by JUB Sastry and other whcich are of help. > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > --- On Sat, 9/26/09, sathya <rainbow_in> wrote: > > sathya <rainbow_in> > > can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > Cc: bursar_99 > > Saturday, September 26, 2009, 2:55 AM > > hello., > > Can the most learned seniors & experts show some way > > to apply astrology on Stock market. > > what are the reasons and how the planetary position will take the Stock Market up and what combination' s will make the Stock market come down. > > what are the sectors which can rise and as of now till what time can be upside bull market can sustain, > > Pls advice me some good books on using Astrology in Stock market, > > thanks > > sathya > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 Dear Shri Vinay Ji,Suresh Ji and others. On a most propitous day of Deepavali ,nice to have seen you in the forum.Ab intio,pleasenteries of Deepavali. we firmly believe in Astroogy and it's principle however understood analysed.In case the bhagya/destiny of a person has to be related to shares and trading,these principles interlinked economics have little impact. I know all of us venture to write and express our views but can not decide and judge the fate of Individuals.My close friends became millionares from T.Nagar of Madras and have become paupers from jharia of Bihar.I have no logic to churn out from astrological awareness. The economics of trading in shares has been a favoured subject after globalisation in India.Except " Master share " debacle in 1990.The principle for share markets contnues to be: " more active " more sell off and profits " .Bullish and bearish tendencies though man made and mid afternoon, gestures adds curiosity from media point of view.in any case we have to accept s really hrd core business to buy and sell shares.Issue however is not how much you enedeavour to invest.So we have chain of traders with more middle men to mislead in share market Astrology as applied has to be intricate with all it'sdivergent approaches: " Ganita and Phalita are based on original precepts of sages " One of my friend in Gujarat working for MS university Mr Shah's trade practices are instaneous as even small margins arising out of buying and selling on the same day too keep the going good. What actually gets complicated is the Astrological analysis of Shares and Stocks from Individual in perspective. I am not very firm on - " but on making profits at each small plus or minuschange by means of selling when high and buying when low.:This might be a cardinal principle approach but patterns often seem to change as shares of some the firms never undergo these volatile phases except room is created for inside trading. a dubious practice that pushes and upsets market trends. The point of study relating to indices and actual business patterns which are cyclic are not easily understandable let alone from the economics of trading point of view So " provided bothaccuracy of analysis of stocks' is academic but not really practicable. We have seen very few people aspiring to make career in shares and trading it is more as a hobby people test the field throwing aside: as well as of one'e own charts.;.Result we have seen several suiicides and homicides in this field along with contributing factor of crime. when economy of the country is driven by forces other than markets,we await lot of shocks.so we have festival tradings,marriage season fluctuations and what not. Finally Mars,the pivotal planet even as per kartikaadi chart20066 " and also 2nd house of this chart happens to be in papkartari'are threatening that can throw many principles of share markets to winds. Today what is pinching markets is lack of liquidity and financial institutions want to be sane and so no off loading of currency from chests. These issues relevant in economics for trading find to have no firm base in Astrology from individuals perspective. People can not afford to invest out of provident fund moneys to remind the story of 190s of Master share. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) --- On Sat, 10/17/09, VJha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: VJha <vinayjhaa16 Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Saturday, October 17, 2009, 12:03 PM To All, I was away for 3 months from all fora and had not read this thread till now. Many astrologers have put in good ideas, and Shenoy Ji has done a good job to organize the discussion properly by classifying the sub-topics to some extent. Shenoy Ji writes : <<< In practical trading daily movement of sensex is of little help unless the movement changes sharply on the mid-day, which takes any one by surprise and chances of loss is high.>>> This view is the majority view, ie, the view of those who have little or no practical experience in real time Day Trading. Day Traders in all stock exchanges of the world employ myriads of stochastic and other techniques to make small profits at almost each up and down. Experienced day traders prosper even in a recessing market, because the main principle of Day Trading is based not on overall loss or gain of index in a day or more, but on making profits at each small plus or minus change by means of selling when high and buying when low. There are 25 such chances per working day, and 15-20 of them may witness more than 0.25% difference in stock prices. Add them, and it makes 4-5% profit per day, even if there is no major bullish or bearish activity. If there are major changes, profits may be much more than 5%. Non-astrologers do not know why there are 25 ups plus downs per 6 hours of working day. This strange phenomenon can be explained ONLY astrologically : there are about 25 distinct horoscopes during 6 hours due to nearly 25 transits of planets into various bhaavas. Thus, there are 25 distinct charts per working day for a given place, and each of them should be analyzed strictly according to standard rules of phalita jyotisha. This technique is time-consuming, but it is ACCURATE, provided both Ganita and Phalita are based on original precepts of sages. This technique will give graph of ALL companies registered at a particular stock exchange, but can be roughly used to predict behaviour of most effective companies, as grouped under Sensex or Nifty. One can use this technique to buy/sell shares of ALL 30 companies of Sensex simultaneously, because individual companies may differ from the combined graph and may cheat the investor due to different astrological fate as ensuing from the horoscope of that company or of its chief owners. For mid-term and long-term investments, this technique is of no use : one must use national horoscopes of three types : annual chart of Mesha Samkraanti, Nakshatra charts which work for about 14 days, and Shashtyamsha charts which work for about 12 hours. Now, market capitalization of topmost 30 or 50 companies account for a good part of national wealth in India, hence 2nd bhaava in national horoscope can be used to predict behaviour of Sensex or Nifty. I have tested above ideas successfully. But if the investor's personal fate is not good, planetary propitiation must be performed before doing anything in this field. Shenoy ji puts forth a good question : " How do we find the days on which he is likely to make profits or loss? " The answer depends upon the accuracy of analysis of stocks as well as of one'e own charts. In personal charts, most influential factors are Vimshottsri plus Varshaphala+ Maasaphala. If the praana-dahsaa of a given planet lasts for many days, exact timing of its chief effect can be determined from the ratio of its degrees (foorgetting the raashi) to 30 degrees and getting the same ratio in the duration of that praana-dashaa. Gochara helps further in exact timing of events. All astrologers in this thread already know the rudimentary concepts outlined above, but the problem arises from application of PHYSICAL astronomy which can never be cured on internet. -Vinay Jha ============ === === , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Vijay Rajput & Vinay Jha, > > I have to thank both of you posting the info regarding work on stock movements > > I aware that the research on the subject is time consuming and tedious job. > > However, I think there are 2 basic issues that need to addressed. > > 1) daily movemnt of sensex along with sectoral indices. > 2) Individual compatability with trading prospects in general > 3) individuals daily rate of success or failure (profit /loss). > > In practical trading daily movement of sensex is of little help unless the movement changes sharply on the mid-day, which takes any one by surprise and chances of loss is high. > > How de we determine with certainity that an individual shall be successfull in trading business? this does not involve long term investments, but pure trading activity. > > Even if an individual is so compatable, he need make profit every day. How do we find the days on which he is likely to make profits or loss? > > If we can find a resonable answer with atleast 60 to 70% of success rate, it would be helpfull to many ordinary citizens who venture into stock market expecting to make quick bucks. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Vijay Rajput vijayrajput13@ ... > > Sat, October 17, 2009 3:50:11 PM > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > Dear Prashantji,Krishnan ji and Sureshji,Namste, > Happy Diwali to you and you family members. > > As Jupiter is in direct motion Bank Nifty,Reality, and infrastructures are moving as predicted in the earlier post.Today Sun is moved in to tula rasi and you will see some fall in the market and this may continue for one or two trading sessions.As sun gives it's results at entry of the sign.Further move in the Bank stocks/BankNifty is likely in the 1st week of Nov 2009.Particapation in the market will also impove in this week.Inester' s sentiments is going to improve in next moon as ketu will move out of Karka rasi.Ketu in karka harmed the market sentimentaly. > All the best > Take Care > Vijay > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > wrote: > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > Saturday, October 3, 2009, 2:56 PM > > > > Dear Friends, > > The Sensex touching 17000 can not be considered as a guide for the improvement of trading. > > Mars into a water sign ruled by Moon is bound to give jitters.being a festival season,with fears of famine.due to short fall of rains are bound to have impact on sentiments. > > Globallly finances in stocks has not chnaged much.mainly mutual funds happened to be main attaractions has still not raised hopes for investor.Realty sector yet waiting for bank incentives.Even banks too starved for advances.Private sector except communications. chemiclas and where Govt holds major stakes is giving hopes.Thanx to our strong economic base that is sparing the Govt tradings. > > At this point of time till jupiter moves direct a cautious approach need to be exercised. > > One exception:For those daily tarding is their stuff they can be relentless as profits and losses go hand in hand.Beware speculation are guided by one's strength of 8th house aknown malefic house. > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > wrote: > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > Saturday, October 3, 2009, 10:18 AM > > > > Dear Vijay > > it is a good post but will like u to apply this for a week coming Next monday or the week after on the said principles and make ur forecast and ideal is to do it for the entire month week wise and this will cover the sun entry into Libra also so 2 weeks in Librta can also be studied a practical series of 3-4 weeks is a welcome one > > as it is a known fact that Mkts can't be really predicted by even the best of expeets else why will we have the crisis that engulfed the world in this magnitude at least a indication knowing it will happen this bad was not said leave alone the %age > > u can see in some groups a few members r trying to predict the same with the Sankranti yr model or sankranti Purusha, the aditipatis for diff sectors and not much has happened to that on the 1st occassion 2nd one is mixed. > > orashant > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vijay Rajput <vijayrajput13@ > > > > > Sat, October 3, 2009 4:14:40 PM > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > Dear Satya Ji,Namaste, > > Past 2-3 years I am tracking the stock market by using the basic principle of Vedic Astrology.My guru is helping me much in this regard.In the month of April On 9th April 2009 while answering a query I have predicted the short term bull run in the stock market after the transit of Jupiter. > > Again in the month of June I have predicted the consolidation of market and good rise in market is likely after 15th Oct 2009. > > Now how to use astrology is important.The boss of speculation is Saturn so closely watch the movement of Sat. > > Jupiter is dhanad it's movement and good position always indicates the liquidity in the market and you may be knowing at present only liquidity and speculation is driving the market.Monthly movement is to be seen by the move ment of Sun and sun gives the results at its entry.For day to day movement the move ment of Moon is very Important.And to track the intra day movement,the movement of Moon in D-60 is very Important and it can ve used for the movement of market.The navamsa position of planets gives the sector wise movement. > > In the coming period Jupiter and Mars will be sitting opposite to each other during this period you will see the sharp move in Banking,Realityand Infrastructure sectors.Watch the Bank Nifty. > > You can draw the Nifty Future's chart and use the daily transit on this chart. > > Even you can cast the individual chart of stocks. > > All the best > > Take care > > Vijay > > --- On Mon, 9/28/09, Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > wrote: > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > Monday, September 28, 2009, 10:09 AM > > Hello Sathya Ji, > > Financial Astrology and particulalrly Stock trading is an emerging concept.A couple of seminars have been held here there and some writers have also contributes articles in express Star teller. > > After economic rforms when privatisation on large scale with PPPs ,JVs and Venture Capital coming into existence the trade and economics was undergoing sea change. > > And to upset the calculations, the war like situatins,monopoly of oil producing contries have taken away sheen in the trade market. > > with huge success in Indian trade of mutual funds in India Astrologers basing financial Institutions performance and with blue chips of Larsen & Tubro,Tata, Relinace and Birla etc the speculation gianed lot of importance as the risk has increased.These major industries suddenly went behind screen with realty sector and DLF coming into picture. > > It is now certain,value of shares continue to hover around 5-6 major secctors like land,Reality, Pharma,steel, cement and other constructions industries. > > Apart from,Jupiter, venus,and Mercury,mars to has it's role in share market. > > we hear about Bulls and bears.Bearish tency is always when visionaries get combust mainly during amvasya days. > > Nodes too have role in sudden spurts in share values.The moon waxing is an indication for once investment to give return. > > But short term and long term invest definetely has to be based on the traditional view of slow moving palnets(Saturn, Jupiter and Vneus) and short term the main trade is based on moon,mars and mercury. > > when mercury conjunct,combust one has to be careful in putchasing stocks.Buying is investment and the trading has to be done on day to day basis looking into moons brightness other wise.the timing too has to be decided when sun is almost free from any malefic aspects. > > Sudden gains are always based on 8th house including horses races,lotteries and windfalls..8th t0 8th that is 3rd also trade,commerce and communication for disposals. > > 5th known to be house of intution has a major role intrading of stcocks. 11th bhava income house and 2nd for wealth when afflicted in natal chart one has to be very cautious in netering stcok markets. > > In traidng of stcoks losses are inherent,role of 12th house can never be discounted .malefics in 12th always represent heavy losses.Benifics may help in minimising losses.Thes fundamentals of Astrology cannever be ignored. > > Commodity specifics lke ketu for pharmas,venus for building.saturn for steel,Sun for Gold,mercury for chemicals and mars for land etc indicate their importance. > > Mind dual houses represented by pisces9watery sign) gemini(airy sign) virgo (earthy sign) and finally sagittarus(fiery sign) throw light on the nature of commodities also.Precious metals and stomes are always looked from 1,7and9 and buildings.2, 6 & 10,chemicals/ pahrma3,7 and 11.Allwatery signs for cold sotages,beverages and thermal equipment etc. > > Some studies and guidance cane be obatained from pranavasramam. org.Some books written on the subject have yet to gain currency.Visit to Bhavan's university Book Store in Delhi and sagar publications may help as titles can be seen.writer who have brought out publications both in Hindia and English may not be established writers. > > Last but not the least natives have 2-3 retrograde planets require caution in vest ments.however scripts for immediate gains can be traded.Having good jupiter karak for wealth can take risks and like wise venus dasa and exalted venus in pisces can go in for any type of trading.dasa of rahu ,Sade sati,trading in limited way may be done if moon is not debilitated or weak. > > EXpress Star Teller has brought out some articles written by JUB Sastry and other whcich are of help. > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > --- On Sat, 9/26/09, sathya <rainbow_in> wrote: > > sathya <rainbow_in> > > can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > Cc: bursar_99 > > Saturday, September 26, 2009, 2:55 AM > > hello., > > Can the most learned seniors & experts show some way > > to apply astrology on Stock market. > > what are the reasons and how the planetary position will take the Stock Market up and what combination' s will make the Stock market come down. > > what are the sectors which can rise and as of now till what time can be upside bull market can sustain, > > Pls advice me some good books on using Astrology in Stock market, > > thanks > > sathya > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 Dear Krishna ji, There are many observations that you have made which is totaly agreeble. What ever technical info we use to study stocks and their movements, it become useless on many grounds prevailing in India. But most of the experienced small or medium traders knows about this very well. As on date, Indian Stock Market is not independant due to many stocks listed in international stock exchanges. The hard hit persons are those who have invested all their savings. Some has borowed money for investing in the stocks. Those were the hardest hit because, what they bought not only lost its value, but liability remained at the higher rate of interest as well, which they couldn't make up. One can only say that it is greed that lead them to it. Vinay Jha's assertion of total percentages of changes a stock undergoes and rate of profitabilty is not at all practical. It looks good only on paper and is tempting too. But on practical front, one has to sit in front of terminal to understand its dynamics. ************ However that is not our point of discussion. Our efforts are to find a plausible link and solution through Astrology. I don't think it is correct to say that economics does not have a firm base in astrology, if I understand what you have said correctly. In that case, the whole of Astrology becomes redundant. If we can predict the financial prospects of an individual, there has to be connection with stock markets as well. It is true that during the time of sages, when they wrote Astrology, The practice of Share trading was not there and such extensive practices of cheating. But have laid the grounds and core principles. It is upto the present generation to study & co-relate those principles for the benefit of the public in the changing economic conditions. It is also true that it is not very easy and needs huge efforts to bring out a working model. A few predictions that comes true or fails doen't mean anything. Let those who have time and knowledge make those efforts. Every small help regarding pointers and astrological co-relationships might make their efforts much easier and bring about faster results. In any kind of research, it is not just the right principles that in important but wrong one too. When we establish a certain conditions or factor to wrong, it becomes much easier to find the conditions / factors from the remaining ones. So it doesn't matter what we say is right or wrong, but what matters is the right kind of participation. It is upto the researcher to establish whether it is correct or wrong. My personal knowledge & feeling is that, the work so far done has not even touched the base of this subject. So there is plenty to be unearthed and let this discussion be an encouragement for them. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ________________________________ Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 Sat, October 17, 2009 11:01:09 PM Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Dear Shri Vinay Ji,Suresh Ji and others. On a most propitous day of Deepavali ,nice to have seen you in the forum.Ab intio,pleasenteries of Deepavali. we firmly believe in Astroogy and it's principle however understood analysed.In case the bhagya/destiny of a person has to be related to shares and trading,these principles interlinked economics have little impact. I know all of us venture to write and express our views but can not decide and judge the fate of Individuals. My close friends became millionares from T.Nagar of Madras and have become paupers from jharia of Bihar.I have no logic to churn out from astrological awareness. The economics of trading in shares has been a favoured subject after globalisation in India.Except " Master share " debacle in 1990.The principle for share markets contnues to be: " more active " more sell off and profits " .Bullish and bearish tendencies though man made and mid afternoon, gestures adds curiosity from media point of view.in any case we have to accept s really hrd core business to buy and sell shares.Issue however is not how much you enedeavour to invest.So we have chain of traders with more middle men to mislead in share market Astrology as applied has to be intricate with all it'sdivergent approaches: " Ganita and Phalita are based on original precepts of sages " One of my friend in Gujarat working for MS university Mr Shah's trade practices are instaneous as even small margins arising out of buying and selling on the same day too keep the going good. What actually gets complicated is the Astrological analysis of Shares and Stocks from Individual in perspective. I am not very firm on - " but on making profits at each small plus or minuschange by means of selling when high and buying when low.:This might be a cardinal principle approach but patterns often seem to change as shares of some the firms never undergo these volatile phases except room is created for inside trading. a dubious practice that pushes and upsets market trends. The point of study relating to indices and actual business patterns which are cyclic are not easily understandable let alone from the economics of trading point of view So " provided bothaccuracy of analysis of stocks' is academic but not really practicable. We have seen very few people aspiring to make career in shares and trading it is more as a hobby people test the field throwing aside: as well as of one'e own charts.;.Result we have seen several suiicides and homicides in this field along with contributing factor of crime. when economy of the country is driven by forces other than markets,we await lot of shocks.so we have festival tradings,marriage season fluctuations and what not. Finally Mars,the pivotal planet even as per kartikaadi chart20066 " and also 2nd house of this chart happens to be in papkartari'are threatening that can throw many principles of share markets to winds. Today what is pinching markets is lack of liquidity and financial institutions want to be sane and so no off loading of currency from chests. These issues relevant in economics for trading find to have no firm base in Astrology from individuals perspective. People can not afford to invest out of provident fund moneys to remind the story of 190s of Master share. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) --- On Sat, 10/17/09, VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Saturday, October 17, 2009, 12:03 PM To All, I was away for 3 months from all fora and had not read this thread till now. Many astrologers have put in good ideas, and Shenoy Ji has done a good job to organize the discussion properly by classifying the sub-topics to some extent. Shenoy Ji writes : <<< In practical trading daily movement of sensex is of little help unless the movement changes sharply on the mid-day, which takes any one by surprise and chances of loss is high.>>> This view is the majority view, ie, the view of those who have little or no practical experience in real time Day Trading. Day Traders in all stock exchanges of the world employ myriads of stochastic and other techniques to make small profits at almost each up and down. Experienced day traders prosper even in a recessing market, because the main principle of Day Trading is based not on overall loss or gain of index in a day or more, but on making profits at each small plus or minus change by means of selling when high and buying when low. There are 25 such chances per working day, and 15-20 of them may witness more than 0.25% difference in stock prices. Add them, and it makes 4-5% profit per day, even if there is no major bullish or bearish activity. If there are major changes, profits may be much more than 5%. Non-astrologers do not know why there are 25 ups plus downs per 6 hours of working day. This strange phenomenon can be explained ONLY astrologically : there are about 25 distinct horoscopes during 6 hours due to nearly 25 transits of planets into various bhaavas. Thus, there are 25 distinct charts per working day for a given place, and each of them should be analyzed strictly according to standard rules of phalita jyotisha. This technique is time-consuming, but it is ACCURATE, provided both Ganita and Phalita are based on original precepts of sages. This technique will give graph of ALL companies registered at a particular stock exchange, but can be roughly used to predict behaviour of most effective companies, as grouped under Sensex or Nifty. One can use this technique to buy/sell shares of ALL 30 companies of Sensex simultaneously, because individual companies may differ from the combined graph and may cheat the investor due to different astrological fate as ensuing from the horoscope of that company or of its chief owners. For mid-term and long-term investments, this technique is of no use : one must use national horoscopes of three types : annual chart of Mesha Samkraanti, Nakshatra charts which work for about 14 days, and Shashtyamsha charts which work for about 12 hours. Now, market capitalization of topmost 30 or 50 companies account for a good part of national wealth in India, hence 2nd bhaava in national horoscope can be used to predict behaviour of Sensex or Nifty. I have tested above ideas successfully. But if the investor's personal fate is not good, planetary propitiation must be performed before doing anything in this field. Shenoy ji puts forth a good question : " How do we find the days on which he is likely to make profits or loss? " The answer depends upon the accuracy of analysis of stocks as well as of one'e own charts. In personal charts, most influential factors are Vimshottsri plus Varshaphala+ Maasaphala. If the praana-dahsaa of a given planet lasts for many days, exact timing of its chief effect can be determined from the ratio of its degrees (foorgetting the raashi) to 30 degrees and getting the same ratio in the duration of that praana-dashaa. Gochara helps further in exact timing of events. All astrologers in this thread already know the rudimentary concepts outlined above, but the problem arises from application of PHYSICAL astronomy which can never be cured on internet. -Vinay Jha ============ === === , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Vijay Rajput & Vinay Jha, > > I have to thank both of you posting the info regarding work on stock movements > > I aware that the research on the subject is time consuming and tedious job. > > However, I think there are 2 basic issues that need to addressed. > > 1) daily movemnt of sensex along with sectoral indices. > 2) Individual compatability with trading prospects in general > 3) individuals daily rate of success or failure (profit /loss). > > In practical trading daily movement of sensex is of little help unless the movement changes sharply on the mid-day, which takes any one by surprise and chances of loss is high. > > How de we determine with certainity that an individual shall be successfull in trading business? this does not involve long term investments, but pure trading activity. > > Even if an individual is so compatable, he need make profit every day. How do we find the days on which he is likely to make profits or loss? > > If we can find a resonable answer with atleast 60 to 70% of success rate, it would be helpfull to many ordinary citizens who venture into stock market expecting to make quick bucks. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Vijay Rajput vijayrajput13@ ... > > Sat, October 17, 2009 3:50:11 PM > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > Dear Prashantji,Krishnan ji and Sureshji,Namste, > Happy Diwali to you and you family members. > > As Jupiter is in direct motion Bank Nifty,Reality, and infrastructures are moving as predicted in the earlier post.Today Sun is moved in to tula rasi and you will see some fall in the market and this may continue for one or two trading sessions.As sun gives it's results at entry of the sign.Further move in the Bank stocks/BankNifty is likely in the 1st week of Nov 2009.Particapation in the market will also impove in this week.Inester' s sentiments is going to improve in next moon as ketu will move out of Karka rasi.Ketu in karka harmed the market sentimentaly. > All the best > Take Care > Vijay > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > wrote: > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > Saturday, October 3, 2009, 2:56 PM > > > > Dear Friends, > > The Sensex touching 17000 can not be considered as a guide for the improvement of trading. > > Mars into a water sign ruled by Moon is bound to give jitters.being a festival season,with fears of famine.due to short fall of rains are bound to have impact on sentiments. > > Globallly finances in stocks has not chnaged much.mainly mutual funds happened to be main attaractions has still not raised hopes for investor.Realty sector yet waiting for bank incentives.Even banks too starved for advances.Private sector except communications. chemiclas and where Govt holds major stakes is giving hopes.Thanx to our strong economic base that is sparing the Govt tradings. > > At this point of time till jupiter moves direct a cautious approach need to be exercised. > > One exception:For those daily tarding is their stuff they can be relentless as profits and losses go hand in hand.Beware speculation are guided by one's strength of 8th house aknown malefic house. > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > wrote: > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > Saturday, October 3, 2009, 10:18 AM > > > > Dear Vijay > > it is a good post but will like u to apply this for a week coming Next monday or the week after on the said principles and make ur forecast and ideal is to do it for the entire month week wise and this will cover the sun entry into Libra also so 2 weeks in Librta can also be studied a practical series of 3-4 weeks is a welcome one > > as it is a known fact that Mkts can't be really predicted by even the best of expeets else why will we have the crisis that engulfed the world in this magnitude at least a indication knowing it will happen this bad was not said leave alone the %age > > u can see in some groups a few members r trying to predict the same with the Sankranti yr model or sankranti Purusha, the aditipatis for diff sectors and not much has happened to that on the 1st occassion 2nd one is mixed. > > orashant > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vijay Rajput <vijayrajput13@ > > > > > Sat, October 3, 2009 4:14:40 PM > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > Dear Satya Ji,Namaste, > > Past 2-3 years I am tracking the stock market by using the basic principle of Vedic Astrology.My guru is helping me much in this regard.In the month of April On 9th April 2009 while answering a query I have predicted the short term bull run in the stock market after the transit of Jupiter. > > Again in the month of June I have predicted the consolidation of market and good rise in market is likely after 15th Oct 2009. > > Now how to use astrology is important.The boss of speculation is Saturn so closely watch the movement of Sat. > > Jupiter is dhanad it's movement and good position always indicates the liquidity in the market and you may be knowing at present only liquidity and speculation is driving the market.Monthly movement is to be seen by the move ment of Sun and sun gives the results at its entry.For day to day movement the move ment of Moon is very Important.And to track the intra day movement,the movement of Moon in D-60 is very Important and it can ve used for the movement of market.The navamsa position of planets gives the sector wise movement. > > In the coming period Jupiter and Mars will be sitting opposite to each other during this period you will see the sharp move in Banking,Realityand Infrastructure sectors.Watch the Bank Nifty. > > You can draw the Nifty Future's chart and use the daily transit on this chart. > > Even you can cast the individual chart of stocks. > > All the best > > Take care > > Vijay > > --- On Mon, 9/28/09, Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > wrote: > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > Monday, September 28, 2009, 10:09 AM > > Hello Sathya Ji, > > Financial Astrology and particulalrly Stock trading is an emerging concept.A couple of seminars have been held here there and some writers have also contributes articles in express Star teller. > > After economic rforms when privatisation on large scale with PPPs ,JVs and Venture Capital coming into existence the trade and economics was undergoing sea change. > > And to upset the calculations, the war like situatins,monopoly of oil producing contries have taken away sheen in the trade market. > > with huge success in Indian trade of mutual funds in India Astrologers basing financial Institutions performance and with blue chips of Larsen & Tubro,Tata, Relinace and Birla etc the speculation gianed lot of importance as the risk has increased.These major industries suddenly went behind screen with realty sector and DLF coming into picture. > > It is now certain,value of shares continue to hover around 5-6 major secctors like land,Reality, Pharma,steel, cement and other constructions industries. > > Apart from,Jupiter, venus,and Mercury,mars to has it's role in share market. > > we hear about Bulls and bears.Bearish tency is always when visionaries get combust mainly during amvasya days. > > Nodes too have role in sudden spurts in share values.The moon waxing is an indication for once investment to give return. > > But short term and long term invest definetely has to be based on the traditional view of slow moving palnets(Saturn, Jupiter and Vneus) and short term the main trade is based on moon,mars and mercury. > > when mercury conjunct,combust one has to be careful in putchasing stocks.Buying is investment and the trading has to be done on day to day basis looking into moons brightness other wise.the timing too has to be decided when sun is almost free from any malefic aspects. > > Sudden gains are always based on 8th house including horses races,lotteries and windfalls..8th t0 8th that is 3rd also trade,commerce and communication for disposals. > > 5th known to be house of intution has a major role intrading of stcocks. 11th bhava income house and 2nd for wealth when afflicted in natal chart one has to be very cautious in netering stcok markets. > > In traidng of stcoks losses are inherent,role of 12th house can never be discounted .malefics in 12th always represent heavy losses.Benifics may help in minimising losses.Thes fundamentals of Astrology cannever be ignored. > > Commodity specifics lke ketu for pharmas,venus for building.saturn for steel,Sun for Gold,mercury for chemicals and mars for land etc indicate their importance. > > Mind dual houses represented by pisces9watery sign) gemini(airy sign) virgo (earthy sign) and finally sagittarus(fiery sign) throw light on the nature of commodities also.Precious metals and stomes are always looked from 1,7and9 and buildings.2, 6 & 10,chemicals/ pahrma3,7 and 11.Allwatery signs for cold sotages,beverages and thermal equipment etc. > > Some studies and guidance cane be obatained from pranavasramam. org.Some books written on the subject have yet to gain currency.Visit to Bhavan's university Book Store in Delhi and sagar publications may help as titles can be seen.writer who have brought out publications both in Hindia and English may not be established writers. > > Last but not the least natives have 2-3 retrograde planets require caution in vest ments.however scripts for immediate gains can be traded.Having good jupiter karak for wealth can take risks and like wise venus dasa and exalted venus in pisces can go in for any type of trading.dasa of rahu ,Sade sati,trading in limited way may be done if moon is not debilitated or weak. > > EXpress Star Teller has brought out some articles written by JUB Sastry and other whcich are of help. > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > --- On Sat, 9/26/09, sathya <rainbow_in> wrote: > > sathya <rainbow_in> > > can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > Cc: bursar_99 > > Saturday, September 26, 2009, 2:55 AM > > hello., > > Can the most learned seniors & experts show some way > > to apply astrology on Stock market. > > what are the reasons and how the planetary position will take the Stock Market up and what combination' s will make the Stock market come down. > > what are the sectors which can rise and as of now till what time can be upside bull market can sustain, > > Pls advice me some good books on using Astrology in Stock market, > > thanks > > sathya > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 To Shenoy Ji and others : It is good to know that Shenoy Ji has some (or more) experience in Day Trading. He knows that earning 5-10% profit per day in stock trading cannot be a norm, but is only the theoretical limit. All stock experts and interested astrologers seek to find out means to realize this limit. Shenoy Ji rightly says : " I don't think it is correct to say that economics does not have a firm base in astrology " . Two years ago, I finished work on 55 years of India national income growth rate data provoded by Finance Minister's Economic Surveys, and found it to be PERFECTLY in tune with astrology. Later, I started working on stock markets. But till now, I am not able to assert that stock markets work 100% according to astrological precepts, because I lack data about horoscopes of companies and their owners. It is not a shortcoming of astrology. But 90% of all significant ups and downs in daily movement of stocks of all major companies taken as a whole works in harmony with astrology : it is a conclusion of research and not merely a passing observation. I disagree with Shenoy Ji's remark : " it is not very easy and needs huge efforts to bring out a working model. .......the work so far done has not even touched the base of this subject. " I possess the working model. But unfortunately, instead of testing this model practically, many astrologers are rejecting its n0n-physical planets. Instead of wasting time over arguments, is it not good to test a thing? But even one day's stock movement needs 25-33 horoscopes to be discussed, and my past experience with rain research shows that all my works in these fora will be unheeded. Rohiniranjan Ji was right in saying that internet is not fit for serious research : he has more experience of internet than me. Let me explain my model here. If one planet moves from one bhaava to another, a new horoscope is produced. During 6 hours of BSE workday, there are 24-25 such horoscopes. Between any two successive horoscopes, only one planet differs in its position. Hence, any up or down movement of SENSEX has to be judged from one planet at a time, and only 2nd Bhaava needs to be judged because market capitalization of all SENSEX companies is not a perfect but a good indicator of national wealth . Between any two successive horoscopes, sometimes other planets also change their their properties, such as friendiness towards and aspect on 2nd bhaava, house ownerships, relations & c. But such complexities are rare. Thus, the method is simple. Draw horoscopes for the meridians of Bombay and compare the combined movement of stock prices of topmost companies with astrological charts : one will find startling correspondences. Such correspondences will be more visible if the changes in combined index are large. 25 horoscopes will produce only 25 cusps and troughs in the curve during 10 am and 4 pm, but in reality there are many more variations, which are mostly minor and are due to horoscopes to individual companies and their owners. If 2nd bhaava is not under effective control of its lord, then impact of other planets becomes significant, and aspects of all planets on 2nd bhaava according to their friendliness or unfriendliness must be considered in detail. A few days' or a few weeks' exercize in comparing stock indices with astrological charts will make one expert in judging the QUANTITY of impact a planet makes on a given bhaava. This experience will help in other fields of astrology as well. Analysis of continuous graph of SENSEX will be useful in gaining a quantitative astrological intuition otherwise almost impossible. Comparison of two entirely different horoscopes does not help in this regard, because the differences are too many and it is often difficult to guess which factor led to the overall result. But analysis of continuous Time Series (eg, SENSEX index) provides an opportunity to analyse impacts of individual changes in horoscopes. It is the easiest way to learn practical astrology (not only stock-astrology but all astrology). Please reread this last para seriously. Here, I am discussing only Day Trading. Long term economic-astology has been discussed by me in earlier threads few months ago, explained in some Hindi articles on web. All schools of astrology have their plus points, but it is not because all of them are equally perfect. The reason is that all of them originated directly or indirectly from same archaic source which was religious, intuitive and holistic, unlike the empirical-logical mathod of moderners. It is futile to waste one's time over argumentation over physical versus non-physical planets. Test of the pudding lies in tasting it. -VJ ===================== ===== , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Dear Vinay Jha & others > > Thank you very much for further inputs from yourside. > > I started on a research on the subject as I was also a very active participant in the daily stock trading and still holds DP accounts. So I have a first hand experience & knowledge of practical issues of trading for a common person. > > Unfortunately could not do much on the astrogical part due to heavy distractions, either from my own business or people comming to see me with their problems. Ultimately I was forced to set is aside the work since as you know finding answers to those in distress & helping them is more important than this activity. > > Unlike in other countries, where the market is driven by strong fundamentals, Indian market conditions varies if a politician just smiles on the tv screen. Till a few years back trading activity was based on personal contacts. But new internet technologies has made it easier to trade online due to which a lot of persons many having little knowledge of the business came into the arena. Most of the companies (Major Brokers) focused on trading volume than the participants profits and hence issues many unrealistic trading tips, which evetually ended in heavy loss to the commonor. > > This practicaly made trading in India a gamble than a prudent investment or business activity. The sad part is that the Major brokers knew what happens even when their clients are loosing money. They have far more advanced softwares than what they provide their customers. > > However, atleast some of those companies has realised the mistake and trying to regain the confidence of the small traders by providing more realistic tips and infos and focusing on the profits made by these ordinary members. > > Regarding the success rate on each day: > > In this regard I would like those who are either trading or doing research watch the movement of Moon through 2 set of signs - Upachaya & Anupachaya signs either from native moon / 2nd house / 11nth house / their lords / venus / mercury / Jupiter for starters. Signs thus involved and aspected by transiting jupiter or the above lords just might hold the key for days profits or loss in trading. > > The above concepts (which is pure traditional astrological concept) may have to watched over a few days trading and logged carefully. The results may be much helpfull in real trading than theoritical works. > > I also would request Shree Vinay Jha to refrain from starting all over again on " Physical " & His concept of astronomy, which does not help practically any body. It would make sense to produce what the common person shall understand and can use. > > regards > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > ________________________________ > VJha vinayjhaa16 > > Sat, October 17, 2009 9:33:05 PM > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market > > > To All, > > I was away for 3 months from all fora and had not read this thread till > now. Many astrologers have put in good ideas, and Shenoy Ji has done a > good job to organize the discussion properly by classifying the > sub-topics to some extent. > > Shenoy Ji writes : > <<< In practical trading daily movement of sensex is of little help > unless the movement changes sharply on the mid-day, which takes any one > by surprise and chances of loss is high.>>> > > This view is the majority view, ie, the view of those who have little or > no practical experience in real time Day Trading. Day Traders in all > stock exchanges of the world employ myriads of stochastic and other > techniques to make small profits at almost each up and down. Experienced > day traders prosper even in a recessing market, because the main > principle of Day Trading is based not on overall loss or gain of index > in a day or more, but on making profits at each small plus or minus > change by means of selling when high and buying when low. There are 25 > such chances per working day, and 15-20 of them may witness more than > 0.25% difference in stock prices. Add them, and it makes 4-5% profit per > day, even if there is no major bullish or bearish activity. If there are > major changes, profits may be much more than 5%. > > Non-astrologers do not know why there are 25 ups plus downs per 6 hours > of working day. This strange phenomenon can be explained ONLY > astrologically : there are about 25 distinct horoscopes during 6 hours > due to nearly 25 transits of planets into various bhaavas. > > Thus, there are 25 distinct charts per working day for a given place, > and each of them should be analyzed strictly according to standard rules > of phalita jyotisha. > This technique is time-consuming, but it is ACCURATE, provided both > Ganita and Phalita are based on original precepts of sages. > > This technique will give graph of ALL companies registered at a > particular stock exchange, but can be roughly used to predict behaviour > of most effective companies, as grouped under Sensex or Nifty. One can > use this technique to buy/sell shares of ALL 30 companies of Sensex > simultaneously, because individual companies may differ from the > combined graph and may cheat the investor due to different astrological > fate as ensuing from the horoscope of that company or of its chief > owners. > > For mid-term and long-term investments, this technique is of no use : > one must use national horoscopes of three types : annual chart of Mesha > Samkraanti, Nakshatra charts which work for about 14 days, and > Shashtyamsha charts which work for about 12 hours. > > Now, market capitalization of topmost 30 or 50 companies account for a > good part of national wealth in India, hence 2nd bhaava in national > horoscope can be used to predict behaviour of Sensex or Nifty. > > I have tested above ideas successfully. But if the investor's personal > fate is not good, planetary propitiation must be performed before doing > anything in this field. > > Shenoy ji puts forth a good question : " How do we find the days on which > he is likely to make profits or loss? " > > The answer depends upon the accuracy of analysis of stocks as well as of > one'e own charts. In personal charts, most influential factors are > Vimshottsri plus Varshaphala+ Maasaphala. If the praana-dahsaa of a given > planet lasts for many days, exact timing of its chief effect can be > determined from the ratio of its degrees (foorgetting the raashi) to 30 > degrees and getting the same ratio in the duration of that > praana-dashaa. Gochara helps further in exact timing of events. > > All astrologers in this thread already know the rudimentary concepts > outlined above, but the problem arises from application of PHYSICAL > astronomy which can never be cured on internet. > > -Vinay Jha > ============ === === > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Vijay Rajput & Vinay Jha, > > > > I have to thank both of you posting the info regarding work on stock > movements > > > > I aware that the research on the subject is time consuming and tedious > job. > > > > However, I think there are 2 basic issues that need to addressed. > > > > 1) daily movemnt of sensex along with sectoral indices. > > 2) Individual compatability with trading prospects in general > > 3) individuals daily rate of success or failure (profit /loss). > > > > In practical trading daily movement of sensex is of little help unless > the movement changes sharply on the mid-day, which takes any one by > surprise and chances of loss is high. > > > > How de we determine with certainity that an individual shall be > successfull in trading business? this does not involve long term > investments, but pure trading activity. > > > > Even if an individual is so compatable, he need make profit every day. > How do we find the days on which he is likely to make profits or loss? > > > > If we can find a resonable answer with atleast 60 to 70% of success > rate, it would be helpfull to many ordinary citizens who venture into > stock market expecting to make quick bucks. > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vijay Rajput vijayrajput13@ ... > > > > Sat, October 17, 2009 3:50:11 PM > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > Dear Prashantji,Krishnan ji and Sureshji,Namste, > > Happy Diwali to you and you family members. > > > > As Jupiter is in direct motion Bank Nifty,Reality, and infrastructures > are moving as predicted in the earlier post.Today Sun is moved in to > tula rasi and you will see some fall in the market and this may continue > for one or two trading sessions.As sun gives it's results at entry of > the sign.Further move in the Bank stocks/BankNifty is likely in the 1st > week of Nov 2009.Particapation in the market will also impove in this > week.Inester' s sentiments is going to improve in next moon as ketu will > move out of Karka rasi.Ketu in karka harmed the market sentimentaly. > > All the best > > Take Care > > Vijay > > > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > Saturday, October 3, 2009, 2:56 PM > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > The Sensex touching 17000 can not be considered as a guide for the > improvement of trading. > > > > Mars into a water sign ruled by Moon is bound to give jitters.being a > festival season,with fears of famine.due to short fall of rains are > bound to have impact on sentiments. > > > > Globallly finances in stocks has not chnaged much.mainly mutual funds > happened to be main attaractions has still not raised hopes for > investor.Realty sector yet waiting for bank incentives.Even banks too > starved for advances.Private sector except communications. chemiclas and > where Govt holds major stakes is giving hopes.Thanx to our strong > economic base that is sparing the Govt tradings. > > > > At this point of time till jupiter moves direct a cautious approach > need to be exercised. > > > > One exception:For those daily tarding is their stuff they can be > relentless as profits and losses go hand in hand.Beware speculation are > guided by one's strength of 8th house aknown malefic house. > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > wrote: > > > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > > > Saturday, October 3, 2009, 10:18 AM > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay > > > > it is a good post but will like u to apply this for a week coming Next > monday or the week after on the said principles and make ur forecast and > ideal is to do it for the entire month week wise and this will cover the > sun entry into Libra also so 2 weeks in Librta can also be studied a > practical series of 3-4 weeks is a welcome one > > > > as it is a known fact that Mkts can't be really predicted by even the > best of expeets else why will we have the crisis that engulfed the world > in this magnitude at least a indication knowing it will happen this bad > was not said leave alone the %age > > > > u can see in some groups a few members r trying to predict the same > with the Sankranti yr model or sankranti Purusha, the aditipatis for > diff sectors and not much has happened to that on the 1st occassion 2nd > one is mixed. > > > > orashant > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Vijay Rajput <vijayrajput13@ > > > > > > > > > Sat, October 3, 2009 4:14:40 PM > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > Dear Satya Ji,Namaste, > > > > Past 2-3 years I am tracking the stock market by using the basic > principle of Vedic Astrology.My guru is helping me much in this > regard.In the month of April On 9th April 2009 while answering a query I > have predicted the short term bull run in the stock market after the > transit of Jupiter. > > > > Again in the month of June I have predicted the consolidation of > market and good rise in market is likely after 15th Oct 2009. > > > > Now how to use astrology is important.The boss of speculation is > Saturn so closely watch the movement of Sat. > > > > Jupiter is dhanad it's movement and good position always indicates the > liquidity in the market and you may be knowing at present only liquidity > and speculation is driving the market.Monthly movement is to be seen by > the move ment of Sun and sun gives the results at its entry.For day to > day movement the move ment of Moon is very Important.And to track the > intra day movement,the movement of Moon in D-60 is very Important and it > can ve used for the movement of market.The navamsa position of planets > gives the sector wise movement. > > > > In the coming period Jupiter and Mars will be sitting opposite to each > other during this period you will see the sharp move in > Banking,Realityand Infrastructure sectors.Watch the Bank Nifty. > > > > You can draw the Nifty Future's chart and use the daily transit on > this chart. > > > > Even you can cast the individual chart of stocks. > > > > All the best > > > > Take care > > > > Vijay > > > > --- On Mon, 9/28/09, Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > > > Monday, September 28, 2009, 10:09 AM > > > > Hello Sathya Ji, > > > > Financial Astrology and particulalrly Stock trading is an emerging > concept.A couple of seminars have been held here there and some writers > have also contributes articles in express Star teller. > > > > After economic rforms when privatisation on large scale with PPPs ,JVs > and Venture Capital coming into existence the trade and economics was > undergoing sea change. > > > > And to upset the calculations, the war like situatins,monopoly of oil > producing contries have taken away sheen in the trade market. > > > > with huge success in Indian trade of mutual funds in India Astrologers > basing financial Institutions performance and with blue chips of Larsen > & Tubro,Tata, Relinace and Birla etc the speculation gianed lot of > importance as the risk has increased.These major industries suddenly > went behind screen with realty sector and DLF coming into picture. > > > > It is now certain,value of shares continue to hover around 5-6 major > secctors like land,Reality, Pharma,steel, cement and other constructions > industries. > > > > Apart from,Jupiter, venus,and Mercury,mars to has it's role in share > market. > > > > we hear about Bulls and bears.Bearish tency is always when visionaries > get combust mainly during amvasya days. > > > > Nodes too have role in sudden spurts in share values.The moon waxing > is an indication for once investment to give return. > > > > But short term and long term invest definetely has to be based on the > traditional view of slow moving palnets(Saturn, Jupiter and Vneus) and > short term the main trade is based on moon,mars and mercury. > > > > when mercury conjunct,combust one has to be careful in putchasing > stocks.Buying is investment and the trading has to be done on day to day > basis looking into moons brightness other wise.the timing too has to be > decided when sun is almost free from any malefic aspects. > > > > Sudden gains are always based on 8th house including horses > races,lotteries and windfalls..8th t0 8th that is 3rd also > trade,commerce and communication for disposals. > > > > 5th known to be house of intution has a major role intrading of > stcocks. 11th bhava income house and 2nd for wealth when afflicted in > natal chart one has to be very cautious in netering stcok markets. > > > > In traidng of stcoks losses are inherent,role of 12th house can never > be discounted .malefics in 12th always represent heavy losses.Benifics > may help in minimising losses.Thes fundamentals of Astrology cannever be > ignored. > > > > Commodity specifics lke ketu for pharmas,venus for building.saturn for > steel,Sun for Gold,mercury for chemicals and mars for land etc indicate > their importance. > > > > Mind dual houses represented by pisces9watery sign) gemini(airy sign) > virgo (earthy sign) and finally sagittarus(fiery sign) throw light on > the nature of commodities also.Precious metals and stomes are always > looked from 1,7and9 and buildings.2, 6 & 10,chemicals/ pahrma3,7 and > 11.Allwatery signs for cold sotages,beverages and thermal equipment etc. > > > > Some studies and guidance cane be obatained from pranavasramam. > org.Some books written on the subject have yet to gain currency.Visit to > Bhavan's university Book Store in Delhi and sagar publications may help > as titles can be seen.writer who have brought out publications both in > Hindia and English may not be established writers. > > > > Last but not the least natives have 2-3 retrograde planets require > caution in vest ments.however scripts for immediate gains can be > traded.Having good jupiter karak for wealth can take risks and like wise > venus dasa and exalted venus in pisces can go in for any type of > trading.dasa of rahu ,Sade sati,trading in limited way may be done if > moon is not debilitated or weak. > > > > EXpress Star Teller has brought out some articles written by JUB > Sastry and other whcich are of help. > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > --- On Sat, 9/26/09, sathya <rainbow_in> wrote: > > > > sathya <rainbow_in> > > > > can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > > > Cc: bursar_99 > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009, 2:55 AM > > > > hello., > > > > Can the most learned seniors & experts show some way > > > > to apply astrology on Stock market. > > > > what are the reasons and how the planetary position will take the > Stock Market up and what combination' s will make the Stock market come > down. > > > > what are the sectors which can rise and as of now till what time can > be upside bull market can sustain, > > > > Pls advice me some good books on using Astrology in Stock market, > > > > thanks > > > > sathya > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Dear Shri Suresh Ji When we tried very humbly to invest energies in to jyotish,we intended how this reverred science can help society and common Man. In the process we keep whole faith in our planets and try our best to track their behaviour and venture to indicate when some body can start earning,when and how he can get a spouse and also a male or a female child as a result of his marriage and all his health concerns besides his good luck and bad luck The responsibility thus taken has no limit on Astrologer and all this we endeavour by looking at skies So we deal some necessary things and some unnecessary things which should normally not the concern of jyotish.Iam ofcourse highlighting as what should not be the concern of jyotish.Might be keeping a tab on scope of Astrology is an irresponsible inkling. we need however to preserve AStrology from it's ideals and prudent principles. I am of the view,that the " undecided man for ever " shows no signs of apprehensions and willing to be a responsible person to the people around where he lives.So his efforts to sustain himself and support his own people commences.it is but natural if one can find short cuts to ensure happiness of his kith and kith without himself undergoing any stress on himself.Astrology if can bring a way out that is really worth millions. This is where jyotish has put a flow chart for every person for the sake of his guidance by including Dharma,Ardha,kama Moksha aspects of life. while a person through his educaion draws his own chart and finds due to his own chart but inconsistencies to turn to an Astrologer for guidance .Astrologers remain as 2nd choice for guidance This constitutes only 30 percent of folk for whom we have to provide answers.Here fate of the nations,fate of the systems working and fate of the individals.fate of the ventures to depend on market forces etc need to be analysed.My apprehension however remains? It is quite freightening at this stage even to be aware of Global finances and Global exchanges. If the common man's interest is not protected any science I feel is of no consequence.So we need to understand full implications of economics first before we try to understand Astrologically what is white money and balck money. Funny aspect of life today it seems people have real estates but no money to eat? is it not a concern of all us to find us how such things occur? ..I wish those saints who have guided us in the past if they come back to life once again to know these factors of white and black and other things Iam sure they will become dumb. The Dharma enunciated by an Astrologer has no relevence to country,to type of currency and variety of trades. what makes however vary is the ardha and kama which brings in stress factors.In this context the share what we have been talking about is not shared in real sense bringing the devide in Dhrama concepts.It is where Astrologer has dificulties as for him Deva Gana nad Raksha gana have equal significance. This where even renowned economists expressed in US as under: " The financial system has to be safe for failure, " said Summers.any " exit strategy " would be different on Main Street than it would on Wall Street. " The world wanted to be in Treasuries, in the safest and most liquid markets, and you saw the dollar rose when people were most concerned about the future of the world, " he said. Summers told an audience of financial market participants. " Wall Street was no small part of the cause of the crisis and Wall Street needs to be part of the solution. " While economists work under pressure to strengthen economy by warding off " hits " against USD,the common man only interested in his pursuits to have his daily bread. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) --- On Sat, 10/17/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote: Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Saturday, October 17, 2009, 2:48 PM Dear Krishna ji, There are many observations that you have made which is totaly agreeble. What ever technical info we use to study stocks and their movements, it become useless on many grounds prevailing in India. But most of the experienced small or medium traders knows about this very well. As on date, Indian Stock Market is not independant due to many stocks listed in international stock exchanges. The hard hit persons are those who have invested all their savings. Some has borowed money for investing in the stocks. Those were the hardest hit because, what they bought not only lost its value, but liability remained at the higher rate of interest as well, which they couldn't make up. One can only say that it is greed that lead them to it. Vinay Jha's assertion of total percentages of changes a stock undergoes and rate of profitabilty is not at all practical. It looks good only on paper and is tempting too. But on practical front, one has to sit in front of terminal to understand its dynamics. ************ However that is not our point of discussion. Our efforts are to find a plausible link and solution through Astrology. I don't think it is correct to say that economics does not have a firm base in astrology, if I understand what you have said correctly. In that case, the whole of Astrology becomes redundant. If we can predict the financial prospects of an individual, there has to be connection with stock markets as well. It is true that during the time of sages, when they wrote Astrology, The practice of Share trading was not there and such extensive practices of cheating. But have laid the grounds and core principles. It is upto the present generation to study & co-relate those principles for the benefit of the public in the changing economic conditions. It is also true that it is not very easy and needs huge efforts to bring out a working model. A few predictions that comes true or fails doen't mean anything. Let those who have time and knowledge make those efforts. Every small help regarding pointers and astrological co-relationships might make their efforts much easier and bring about faster results. In any kind of research, it is not just the right principles that in important but wrong one too. When we establish a certain conditions or factor to wrong, it becomes much easier to find the conditions / factors from the remaining ones. So it doesn't matter what we say is right or wrong, but what matters is the right kind of participation. It is upto the researcher to establish whether it is correct or wrong. My personal knowledge & feeling is that, the work so far done has not even touched the base of this subject. So there is plenty to be unearthed and let this discussion be an encouragement for them. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > Sat, October 17, 2009 11:01:09 PM Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Dear Shri Vinay Ji,Suresh Ji and others. On a most propitous day of Deepavali ,nice to have seen you in the forum.Ab intio,pleasenteries of Deepavali. we firmly believe in Astroogy and it's principle however understood analysed.In case the bhagya/destiny of a person has to be related to shares and trading,these principles interlinked economics have little impact. I know all of us venture to write and express our views but can not decide and judge the fate of Individuals. My close friends became millionares from T.Nagar of Madras and have become paupers from jharia of Bihar.I have no logic to churn out from astrological awareness. The economics of trading in shares has been a favoured subject after globalisation in India.Except " Master share " debacle in 1990.The principle for share markets contnues to be: " more active " more sell off and profits " .Bullish and bearish tendencies though man made and mid afternoon, gestures adds curiosity from media point of view.in any case we have to accept s really hrd core business to buy and sell shares.Issue however is not how much you enedeavour to invest.So we have chain of traders with more middle men to mislead in share market Astrology as applied has to be intricate with all it'sdivergent approaches: " Ganita and Phalita are based on original precepts of sages " One of my friend in Gujarat working for MS university Mr Shah's trade practices are instaneous as even small margins arising out of buying and selling on the same day too keep the going good. What actually gets complicated is the Astrological analysis of Shares and Stocks from Individual in perspective. I am not very firm on - " but on making profits at each small plus or minuschange by means of selling when high and buying when low.:This might be a cardinal principle approach but patterns often seem to change as shares of some the firms never undergo these volatile phases except room is created for inside trading. a dubious practice that pushes and upsets market trends. The point of study relating to indices and actual business patterns which are cyclic are not easily understandable let alone from the economics of trading point of view So " provided bothaccuracy of analysis of stocks' is academic but not really practicable. We have seen very few people aspiring to make career in shares and trading it is more as a hobby people test the field throwing aside: as well as of one'e own charts.;.Result we have seen several suiicides and homicides in this field along with contributing factor of crime. when economy of the country is driven by forces other than markets,we await lot of shocks.so we have festival tradings,marriage season fluctuations and what not. Finally Mars,the pivotal planet even as per kartikaadi chart20066 " and also 2nd house of this chart happens to be in papkartari'are threatening that can throw many principles of share markets to winds. Today what is pinching markets is lack of liquidity and financial institutions want to be sane and so no off loading of currency from chests. These issues relevant in economics for trading find to have no firm base in Astrology from individuals perspective. People can not afford to invest out of provident fund moneys to remind the story of 190s of Master share. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) --- On Sat, 10/17/09, VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Saturday, October 17, 2009, 12:03 PM To All, I was away for 3 months from all fora and had not read this thread till now. Many astrologers have put in good ideas, and Shenoy Ji has done a good job to organize the discussion properly by classifying the sub-topics to some extent. Shenoy Ji writes : <<< In practical trading daily movement of sensex is of little help unless the movement changes sharply on the mid-day, which takes any one by surprise and chances of loss is high.>>> This view is the majority view, ie, the view of those who have little or no practical experience in real time Day Trading. Day Traders in all stock exchanges of the world employ myriads of stochastic and other techniques to make small profits at almost each up and down. Experienced day traders prosper even in a recessing market, because the main principle of Day Trading is based not on overall loss or gain of index in a day or more, but on making profits at each small plus or minus change by means of selling when high and buying when low. There are 25 such chances per working day, and 15-20 of them may witness more than 0.25% difference in stock prices. Add them, and it makes 4-5% profit per day, even if there is no major bullish or bearish activity. If there are major changes, profits may be much more than 5%. Non-astrologers do not know why there are 25 ups plus downs per 6 hours of working day. This strange phenomenon can be explained ONLY astrologically : there are about 25 distinct horoscopes during 6 hours due to nearly 25 transits of planets into various bhaavas. Thus, there are 25 distinct charts per working day for a given place, and each of them should be analyzed strictly according to standard rules of phalita jyotisha. This technique is time-consuming, but it is ACCURATE, provided both Ganita and Phalita are based on original precepts of sages. This technique will give graph of ALL companies registered at a particular stock exchange, but can be roughly used to predict behaviour of most effective companies, as grouped under Sensex or Nifty. One can use this technique to buy/sell shares of ALL 30 companies of Sensex simultaneously, because individual companies may differ from the combined graph and may cheat the investor due to different astrological fate as ensuing from the horoscope of that company or of its chief owners. For mid-term and long-term investments, this technique is of no use : one must use national horoscopes of three types : annual chart of Mesha Samkraanti, Nakshatra charts which work for about 14 days, and Shashtyamsha charts which work for about 12 hours. Now, market capitalization of topmost 30 or 50 companies account for a good part of national wealth in India, hence 2nd bhaava in national horoscope can be used to predict behaviour of Sensex or Nifty. I have tested above ideas successfully. But if the investor's personal fate is not good, planetary propitiation must be performed before doing anything in this field. Shenoy ji puts forth a good question : " How do we find the days on which he is likely to make profits or loss? " The answer depends upon the accuracy of analysis of stocks as well as of one'e own charts. In personal charts, most influential factors are Vimshottsri plus Varshaphala+ Maasaphala. If the praana-dahsaa of a given planet lasts for many days, exact timing of its chief effect can be determined from the ratio of its degrees (foorgetting the raashi) to 30 degrees and getting the same ratio in the duration of that praana-dashaa. Gochara helps further in exact timing of events. All astrologers in this thread already know the rudimentary concepts outlined above, but the problem arises from application of PHYSICAL astronomy which can never be cured on internet. -Vinay Jha ============ === === , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Vijay Rajput & Vinay Jha, > > I have to thank both of you posting the info regarding work on stock movements > > I aware that the research on the subject is time consuming and tedious job. > > However, I think there are 2 basic issues that need to addressed. > > 1) daily movemnt of sensex along with sectoral indices. > 2) Individual compatability with trading prospects in general > 3) individuals daily rate of success or failure (profit /loss). > > In practical trading daily movement of sensex is of little help unless the movement changes sharply on the mid-day, which takes any one by surprise and chances of loss is high. > > How de we determine with certainity that an individual shall be successfull in trading business? this does not involve long term investments, but pure trading activity. > > Even if an individual is so compatable, he need make profit every day. How do we find the days on which he is likely to make profits or loss? > > If we can find a resonable answer with atleast 60 to 70% of success rate, it would be helpfull to many ordinary citizens who venture into stock market expecting to make quick bucks. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Vijay Rajput vijayrajput13@ ... > > Sat, October 17, 2009 3:50:11 PM > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > Dear Prashantji,Krishnan ji and Sureshji,Namste, > Happy Diwali to you and you family members. > > As Jupiter is in direct motion Bank Nifty,Reality, and infrastructures are moving as predicted in the earlier post.Today Sun is moved in to tula rasi and you will see some fall in the market and this may continue for one or two trading sessions.As sun gives it's results at entry of the sign.Further move in the Bank stocks/BankNifty is likely in the 1st week of Nov 2009.Particapation in the market will also impove in this week.Inester' s sentiments is going to improve in next moon as ketu will move out of Karka rasi.Ketu in karka harmed the market sentimentaly. > All the best > Take Care > Vijay > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > wrote: > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > Saturday, October 3, 2009, 2:56 PM > > > > Dear Friends, > > The Sensex touching 17000 can not be considered as a guide for the improvement of trading. > > Mars into a water sign ruled by Moon is bound to give jitters.being a festival season,with fears of famine.due to short fall of rains are bound to have impact on sentiments. > > Globallly finances in stocks has not chnaged much.mainly mutual funds happened to be main attaractions has still not raised hopes for investor.Realty sector yet waiting for bank incentives.Even banks too starved for advances.Private sector except communications. chemiclas and where Govt holds major stakes is giving hopes.Thanx to our strong economic base that is sparing the Govt tradings. > > At this point of time till jupiter moves direct a cautious approach need to be exercised. > > One exception:For those daily tarding is their stuff they can be relentless as profits and losses go hand in hand.Beware speculation are guided by one's strength of 8th house aknown malefic house. > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > wrote: > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > Saturday, October 3, 2009, 10:18 AM > > > > Dear Vijay > > it is a good post but will like u to apply this for a week coming Next monday or the week after on the said principles and make ur forecast and ideal is to do it for the entire month week wise and this will cover the sun entry into Libra also so 2 weeks in Librta can also be studied a practical series of 3-4 weeks is a welcome one > > as it is a known fact that Mkts can't be really predicted by even the best of expeets else why will we have the crisis that engulfed the world in this magnitude at least a indication knowing it will happen this bad was not said leave alone the %age > > u can see in some groups a few members r trying to predict the same with the Sankranti yr model or sankranti Purusha, the aditipatis for diff sectors and not much has happened to that on the 1st occassion 2nd one is mixed. > > orashant > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vijay Rajput <vijayrajput13@ > > > > > Sat, October 3, 2009 4:14:40 PM > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > Dear Satya Ji,Namaste, > > Past 2-3 years I am tracking the stock market by using the basic principle of Vedic Astrology.My guru is helping me much in this regard.In the month of April On 9th April 2009 while answering a query I have predicted the short term bull run in the stock market after the transit of Jupiter. > > Again in the month of June I have predicted the consolidation of market and good rise in market is likely after 15th Oct 2009. > > Now how to use astrology is important.The boss of speculation is Saturn so closely watch the movement of Sat. > > Jupiter is dhanad it's movement and good position always indicates the liquidity in the market and you may be knowing at present only liquidity and speculation is driving the market.Monthly movement is to be seen by the move ment of Sun and sun gives the results at its entry.For day to day movement the move ment of Moon is very Important.And to track the intra day movement,the movement of Moon in D-60 is very Important and it can ve used for the movement of market.The navamsa position of planets gives the sector wise movement. > > In the coming period Jupiter and Mars will be sitting opposite to each other during this period you will see the sharp move in Banking,Realityand Infrastructure sectors.Watch the Bank Nifty. > > You can draw the Nifty Future's chart and use the daily transit on this chart. > > Even you can cast the individual chart of stocks. > > All the best > > Take care > > Vijay > > --- On Mon, 9/28/09, Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > wrote: > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > Monday, September 28, 2009, 10:09 AM > > Hello Sathya Ji, > > Financial Astrology and particulalrly Stock trading is an emerging concept.A couple of seminars have been held here there and some writers have also contributes articles in express Star teller. > > After economic rforms when privatisation on large scale with PPPs ,JVs and Venture Capital coming into existence the trade and economics was undergoing sea change. > > And to upset the calculations, the war like situatins,monopoly of oil producing contries have taken away sheen in the trade market. > > with huge success in Indian trade of mutual funds in India Astrologers basing financial Institutions performance and with blue chips of Larsen & Tubro,Tata, Relinace and Birla etc the speculation gianed lot of importance as the risk has increased.These major industries suddenly went behind screen with realty sector and DLF coming into picture. > > It is now certain,value of shares continue to hover around 5-6 major secctors like land,Reality, Pharma,steel, cement and other constructions industries. > > Apart from,Jupiter, venus,and Mercury,mars to has it's role in share market. > > we hear about Bulls and bears.Bearish tency is always when visionaries get combust mainly during amvasya days. > > Nodes too have role in sudden spurts in share values.The moon waxing is an indication for once investment to give return. > > But short term and long term invest definetely has to be based on the traditional view of slow moving palnets(Saturn, Jupiter and Vneus) and short term the main trade is based on moon,mars and mercury. > > when mercury conjunct,combust one has to be careful in putchasing stocks.Buying is investment and the trading has to be done on day to day basis looking into moons brightness other wise.the timing too has to be decided when sun is almost free from any malefic aspects. > > Sudden gains are always based on 8th house including horses races,lotteries and windfalls..8th t0 8th that is 3rd also trade,commerce and communication for disposals. > > 5th known to be house of intution has a major role intrading of stcocks. 11th bhava income house and 2nd for wealth when afflicted in natal chart one has to be very cautious in netering stcok markets. > > In traidng of stcoks losses are inherent,role of 12th house can never be discounted .malefics in 12th always represent heavy losses.Benifics may help in minimising losses.Thes fundamentals of Astrology cannever be ignored. > > Commodity specifics lke ketu for pharmas,venus for building.saturn for steel,Sun for Gold,mercury for chemicals and mars for land etc indicate their importance. > > Mind dual houses represented by pisces9watery sign) gemini(airy sign) virgo (earthy sign) and finally sagittarus(fiery sign) throw light on the nature of commodities also.Precious metals and stomes are always looked from 1,7and9 and buildings.2, 6 & 10,chemicals/ pahrma3,7 and 11.Allwatery signs for cold sotages,beverages and thermal equipment etc. > > Some studies and guidance cane be obatained from pranavasramam. org.Some books written on the subject have yet to gain currency.Visit to Bhavan's university Book Store in Delhi and sagar publications may help as titles can be seen.writer who have brought out publications both in Hindia and English may not be established writers. > > Last but not the least natives have 2-3 retrograde planets require caution in vest ments.however scripts for immediate gains can be traded.Having good jupiter karak for wealth can take risks and like wise venus dasa and exalted venus in pisces can go in for any type of trading.dasa of rahu ,Sade sati,trading in limited way may be done if moon is not debilitated or weak. > > EXpress Star Teller has brought out some articles written by JUB Sastry and other whcich are of help. > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > --- On Sat, 9/26/09, sathya <rainbow_in> wrote: > > sathya <rainbow_in> > > can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > Cc: bursar_99 > > Saturday, September 26, 2009, 2:55 AM > > hello., > > Can the most learned seniors & experts show some way > > to apply astrology on Stock market. > > what are the reasons and how the planetary position will take the Stock Market up and what combination' s will make the Stock market come down. > > what are the sectors which can rise and as of now till what time can be upside bull market can sustain, > > Pls advice me some good books on using Astrology in Stock market, > > thanks > > sathya > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Dear Vinay jha, //It is futile to waste one's time over argumentation over physical versus non-physical planets. Test of the pudding lies in tasting it.// perfectly said. What could be tasted should also be palatable. You have a taken a different road than others. Only furture & reality shall reveal which one is more correct and easy. An ordinary person sitting at his home trading will never be able to assess the kind of data(s) you are talking about and with your " arguments " of " physical & non-physcal planets " . This is the basic point you are missing in your logic. So let us forget about your conviction on PNP planets, if you don't mind, for the time being. Consider every one here as fools & ignorent. They have only a calender and basic Rasi & Navamsa chart with them. Can your model provide any pointers to them that they shall loose money on this particular day or they shall gain even after a few days, if they invest on those days.? This is a basic knowledge that Astrology in its most practical form can do. It is only commonsense that if any model require non-available data to work correctly, it will not make any sense or is practical. Hence, it is better to gather the available data and try to find a working model from those data. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. ________________________________ VJha <vinayjhaa16 Sun, October 18, 2009 7:23:53 AM Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market To Shenoy Ji and others : It is good to know that Shenoy Ji has some (or more) experience in Day Trading. He knows that earning 5-10% profit per day in stock trading cannot be a norm, but is only the theoretical limit. All stock experts and interested astrologers seek to find out means to realize this limit. Shenoy Ji rightly says : " I don't think it is correct to say that economics does not have a firm base in astrology " . Two years ago, I finished work on 55 years of India national income growth rate data provoded by Finance Minister's Economic Surveys, and found it to be PERFECTLY in tune with astrology. Later, I started working on stock markets. But till now, I am not able to assert that stock markets work 100% according to astrological precepts, because I lack data about horoscopes of companies and their owners. It is not a shortcoming of astrology. But 90% of all significant ups and downs in daily movement of stocks of all major companies taken as a whole works in harmony with astrology : it is a conclusion of research and not merely a passing observation. I disagree with Shenoy Ji's remark : " it is not very easy and needs huge efforts to bring out a working model. .......the work so far done has not even touched the base of this subject. " I possess the working model. But unfortunately, instead of testing this model practically, many astrologers are rejecting its n0n-physical planets. Instead of wasting time over arguments, is it not good to test a thing? But even one day's stock movement needs 25-33 horoscopes to be discussed, and my past experience with rain research shows that all my works in these fora will be unheeded. Rohiniranjan Ji was right in saying that internet is not fit for serious research : he has more experience of internet than me. Let me explain my model here. If one planet moves from one bhaava to another, a new horoscope is produced. During 6 hours of BSE workday, there are 24-25 such horoscopes. Between any two successive horoscopes, only one planet differs in its position. Hence, any up or down movement of SENSEX has to be judged from one planet at a time, and only 2nd Bhaava needs to be judged because market capitalization of all SENSEX companies is not a perfect but a good indicator of national wealth . Between any two successive horoscopes, sometimes other planets also change their their properties, such as friendiness towards and aspect on 2nd bhaava, house ownerships, relations & c. But such complexities are rare. Thus, the method is simple. Draw horoscopes for the meridians of Bombay and compare the combined movement of stock prices of topmost companies with astrological charts : one will find startling correspondences. Such correspondences will be more visible if the changes in combined index are large. 25 horoscopes will produce only 25 cusps and troughs in the curve during 10 am and 4 pm, but in reality there are many more variations, which are mostly minor and are due to horoscopes to individual companies and their owners. If 2nd bhaava is not under effective control of its lord, then impact of other planets becomes significant, and aspects of all planets on 2nd bhaava according to their friendliness or unfriendliness must be considered in detail. A few days' or a few weeks' exercize in comparing stock indices with astrological charts will make one expert in judging the QUANTITY of impact a planet makes on a given bhaava. This experience will help in other fields of astrology as well. Analysis of continuous graph of SENSEX will be useful in gaining a quantitative astrological intuition otherwise almost impossible. Comparison of two entirely different horoscopes does not help in this regard, because the differences are too many and it is often difficult to guess which factor led to the overall result. But analysis of continuous Time Series (eg, SENSEX index) provides an opportunity to analyse impacts of individual changes in horoscopes. It is the easiest way to learn practical astrology (not only stock-astrology but all astrology). Please reread this last para seriously. Here, I am discussing only Day Trading. Long term economic-astology has been discussed by me in earlier threads few months ago, explained in some Hindi articles on web. All schools of astrology have their plus points, but it is not because all of them are equally perfect. The reason is that all of them originated directly or indirectly from same archaic source which was religious, intuitive and holistic, unlike the empirical-logical mathod of moderners. It is futile to waste one's time over argumentation over physical versus non-physical planets. Test of the pudding lies in tasting it. -VJ ============ ========= ===== , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Vinay Jha & others > > Thank you very much for further inputs from yourside. > > I started on a research on the subject as I was also a very active participant in the daily stock trading and still holds DP accounts. So I have a first hand experience & knowledge of practical issues of trading for a common person. > > Unfortunately could not do much on the astrogical part due to heavy distractions, either from my own business or people comming to see me with their problems. Ultimately I was forced to set is aside the work since as you know finding answers to those in distress & helping them is more important than this activity. > > Unlike in other countries, where the market is driven by strong fundamentals, Indian market conditions varies if a politician just smiles on the tv screen. Till a few years back trading activity was based on personal contacts. But new internet technologies has made it easier to trade online due to which a lot of persons many having little knowledge of the business came into the arena. Most of the companies (Major Brokers) focused on trading volume than the participants profits and hence issues many unrealistic trading tips, which evetually ended in heavy loss to the commonor. > > This practicaly made trading in India a gamble than a prudent investment or business activity. The sad part is that the Major brokers knew what happens even when their clients are loosing money. They have far more advanced softwares than what they provide their customers. > > However, atleast some of those companies has realised the mistake and trying to regain the confidence of the small traders by providing more realistic tips and infos and focusing on the profits made by these ordinary members. > > Regarding the success rate on each day: > > In this regard I would like those who are either trading or doing research watch the movement of Moon through 2 set of signs - Upachaya & Anupachaya signs either from native moon / 2nd house / 11nth house / their lords / venus / mercury / Jupiter for starters. Signs thus involved and aspected by transiting jupiter or the above lords just might hold the key for days profits or loss in trading. > > The above concepts (which is pure traditional astrological concept) may have to watched over a few days trading and logged carefully. The results may be much helpfull in real trading than theoritical works. > > I also would request Shree Vinay Jha to refrain from starting all over again on " Physical " & His concept of astronomy, which does not help practically any body. It would make sense to produce what the common person shall understand and can use. > > regards > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > VJha vinayjhaa16@ ... > > Sat, October 17, 2009 9:33:05 PM > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market > > > To All, > > I was away for 3 months from all fora and had not read this thread till > now. Many astrologers have put in good ideas, and Shenoy Ji has done a > good job to organize the discussion properly by classifying the > sub-topics to some extent. > > Shenoy Ji writes : > <<< In practical trading daily movement of sensex is of little help > unless the movement changes sharply on the mid-day, which takes any one > by surprise and chances of loss is high.>>> > > This view is the majority view, ie, the view of those who have little or > no practical experience in real time Day Trading. Day Traders in all > stock exchanges of the world employ myriads of stochastic and other > techniques to make small profits at almost each up and down. Experienced > day traders prosper even in a recessing market, because the main > principle of Day Trading is based not on overall loss or gain of index > in a day or more, but on making profits at each small plus or minus > change by means of selling when high and buying when low. There are 25 > such chances per working day, and 15-20 of them may witness more than > 0.25% difference in stock prices. Add them, and it makes 4-5% profit per > day, even if there is no major bullish or bearish activity. If there are > major changes, profits may be much more than 5%. > > Non-astrologers do not know why there are 25 ups plus downs per 6 hours > of working day. This strange phenomenon can be explained ONLY > astrologically : there are about 25 distinct horoscopes during 6 hours > due to nearly 25 transits of planets into various bhaavas. > > Thus, there are 25 distinct charts per working day for a given place, > and each of them should be analyzed strictly according to standard rules > of phalita jyotisha. > This technique is time-consuming, but it is ACCURATE, provided both > Ganita and Phalita are based on original precepts of sages. > > This technique will give graph of ALL companies registered at a > particular stock exchange, but can be roughly used to predict behaviour > of most effective companies, as grouped under Sensex or Nifty. One can > use this technique to buy/sell shares of ALL 30 companies of Sensex > simultaneously, because individual companies may differ from the > combined graph and may cheat the investor due to different astrological > fate as ensuing from the horoscope of that company or of its chief > owners. > > For mid-term and long-term investments, this technique is of no use : > one must use national horoscopes of three types : annual chart of Mesha > Samkraanti, Nakshatra charts which work for about 14 days, and > Shashtyamsha charts which work for about 12 hours. > > Now, market capitalization of topmost 30 or 50 companies account for a > good part of national wealth in India, hence 2nd bhaava in national > horoscope can be used to predict behaviour of Sensex or Nifty. > > I have tested above ideas successfully. But if the investor's personal > fate is not good, planetary propitiation must be performed before doing > anything in this field. > > Shenoy ji puts forth a good question : " How do we find the days on which > he is likely to make profits or loss? " > > The answer depends upon the accuracy of analysis of stocks as well as of > one'e own charts. In personal charts, most influential factors are > Vimshottsri plus Varshaphala+ Maasaphala. If the praana-dahsaa of a given > planet lasts for many days, exact timing of its chief effect can be > determined from the ratio of its degrees (foorgetting the raashi) to 30 > degrees and getting the same ratio in the duration of that > praana-dashaa. Gochara helps further in exact timing of events. > > All astrologers in this thread already know the rudimentary concepts > outlined above, but the problem arises from application of PHYSICAL > astronomy which can never be cured on internet. > > -Vinay Jha > ============ === === > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Vijay Rajput & Vinay Jha, > > > > I have to thank both of you posting the info regarding work on stock > movements > > > > I aware that the research on the subject is time consuming and tedious > job. > > > > However, I think there are 2 basic issues that need to addressed. > > > > 1) daily movemnt of sensex along with sectoral indices. > > 2) Individual compatability with trading prospects in general > > 3) individuals daily rate of success or failure (profit /loss). > > > > In practical trading daily movement of sensex is of little help unless > the movement changes sharply on the mid-day, which takes any one by > surprise and chances of loss is high. > > > > How de we determine with certainity that an individual shall be > successfull in trading business? this does not involve long term > investments, but pure trading activity. > > > > Even if an individual is so compatable, he need make profit every day. > How do we find the days on which he is likely to make profits or loss? > > > > If we can find a resonable answer with atleast 60 to 70% of success > rate, it would be helpfull to many ordinary citizens who venture into > stock market expecting to make quick bucks. > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vijay Rajput vijayrajput13@ ... > > > > Sat, October 17, 2009 3:50:11 PM > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > Dear Prashantji,Krishnan ji and Sureshji,Namste, > > Happy Diwali to you and you family members. > > > > As Jupiter is in direct motion Bank Nifty,Reality, and infrastructures > are moving as predicted in the earlier post.Today Sun is moved in to > tula rasi and you will see some fall in the market and this may continue > for one or two trading sessions.As sun gives it's results at entry of > the sign.Further move in the Bank stocks/BankNifty is likely in the 1st > week of Nov 2009.Particapation in the market will also impove in this > week.Inester' s sentiments is going to improve in next moon as ketu will > move out of Karka rasi.Ketu in karka harmed the market sentimentaly. > > All the best > > Take Care > > Vijay > > > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > Saturday, October 3, 2009, 2:56 PM > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > The Sensex touching 17000 can not be considered as a guide for the > improvement of trading. > > > > Mars into a water sign ruled by Moon is bound to give jitters.being a > festival season,with fears of famine.due to short fall of rains are > bound to have impact on sentiments. > > > > Globallly finances in stocks has not chnaged much.mainly mutual funds > happened to be main attaractions has still not raised hopes for > investor.Realty sector yet waiting for bank incentives.Even banks too > starved for advances.Private sector except communications. chemiclas and > where Govt holds major stakes is giving hopes.Thanx to our strong > economic base that is sparing the Govt tradings. > > > > At this point of time till jupiter moves direct a cautious approach > need to be exercised. > > > > One exception:For those daily tarding is their stuff they can be > relentless as profits and losses go hand in hand.Beware speculation are > guided by one's strength of 8th house aknown malefic house. > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > wrote: > > > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > > > Saturday, October 3, 2009, 10:18 AM > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay > > > > it is a good post but will like u to apply this for a week coming Next > monday or the week after on the said principles and make ur forecast and > ideal is to do it for the entire month week wise and this will cover the > sun entry into Libra also so 2 weeks in Librta can also be studied a > practical series of 3-4 weeks is a welcome one > > > > as it is a known fact that Mkts can't be really predicted by even the > best of expeets else why will we have the crisis that engulfed the world > in this magnitude at least a indication knowing it will happen this bad > was not said leave alone the %age > > > > u can see in some groups a few members r trying to predict the same > with the Sankranti yr model or sankranti Purusha, the aditipatis for > diff sectors and not much has happened to that on the 1st occassion 2nd > one is mixed. > > > > orashant > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Vijay Rajput <vijayrajput13@ > > > > > > > > > Sat, October 3, 2009 4:14:40 PM > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > Dear Satya Ji,Namaste, > > > > Past 2-3 years I am tracking the stock market by using the basic > principle of Vedic Astrology.My guru is helping me much in this > regard.In the month of April On 9th April 2009 while answering a query I > have predicted the short term bull run in the stock market after the > transit of Jupiter. > > > > Again in the month of June I have predicted the consolidation of > market and good rise in market is likely after 15th Oct 2009. > > > > Now how to use astrology is important.The boss of speculation is > Saturn so closely watch the movement of Sat. > > > > Jupiter is dhanad it's movement and good position always indicates the > liquidity in the market and you may be knowing at present only liquidity > and speculation is driving the market.Monthly movement is to be seen by > the move ment of Sun and sun gives the results at its entry.For day to > day movement the move ment of Moon is very Important.And to track the > intra day movement,the movement of Moon in D-60 is very Important and it > can ve used for the movement of market.The navamsa position of planets > gives the sector wise movement. > > > > In the coming period Jupiter and Mars will be sitting opposite to each > other during this period you will see the sharp move in > Banking,Realityand Infrastructure sectors.Watch the Bank Nifty. > > > > You can draw the Nifty Future's chart and use the daily transit on > this chart. > > > > Even you can cast the individual chart of stocks. > > > > All the best > > > > Take care > > > > Vijay > > > > --- On Mon, 9/28/09, Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > > > Monday, September 28, 2009, 10:09 AM > > > > Hello Sathya Ji, > > > > Financial Astrology and particulalrly Stock trading is an emerging > concept.A couple of seminars have been held here there and some writers > have also contributes articles in express Star teller. > > > > After economic rforms when privatisation on large scale with PPPs ,JVs > and Venture Capital coming into existence the trade and economics was > undergoing sea change. > > > > And to upset the calculations, the war like situatins,monopoly of oil > producing contries have taken away sheen in the trade market. > > > > with huge success in Indian trade of mutual funds in India Astrologers > basing financial Institutions performance and with blue chips of Larsen > & Tubro,Tata, Relinace and Birla etc the speculation gianed lot of > importance as the risk has increased.These major industries suddenly > went behind screen with realty sector and DLF coming into picture. > > > > It is now certain,value of shares continue to hover around 5-6 major > secctors like land,Reality, Pharma,steel, cement and other constructions > industries. > > > > Apart from,Jupiter, venus,and Mercury,mars to has it's role in share > market. > > > > we hear about Bulls and bears.Bearish tency is always when visionaries > get combust mainly during amvasya days. > > > > Nodes too have role in sudden spurts in share values.The moon waxing > is an indication for once investment to give return. > > > > But short term and long term invest definetely has to be based on the > traditional view of slow moving palnets(Saturn, Jupiter and Vneus) and > short term the main trade is based on moon,mars and mercury. > > > > when mercury conjunct,combust one has to be careful in putchasing > stocks.Buying is investment and the trading has to be done on day to day > basis looking into moons brightness other wise.the timing too has to be > decided when sun is almost free from any malefic aspects. > > > > Sudden gains are always based on 8th house including horses > races,lotteries and windfalls..8th t0 8th that is 3rd also > trade,commerce and communication for disposals. > > > > 5th known to be house of intution has a major role intrading of > stcocks. 11th bhava income house and 2nd for wealth when afflicted in > natal chart one has to be very cautious in netering stcok markets. > > > > In traidng of stcoks losses are inherent,role of 12th house can never > be discounted .malefics in 12th always represent heavy losses.Benifics > may help in minimising losses.Thes fundamentals of Astrology cannever be > ignored. > > > > Commodity specifics lke ketu for pharmas,venus for building.saturn for > steel,Sun for Gold,mercury for chemicals and mars for land etc indicate > their importance. > > > > Mind dual houses represented by pisces9watery sign) gemini(airy sign) > virgo (earthy sign) and finally sagittarus(fiery sign) throw light on > the nature of commodities also.Precious metals and stomes are always > looked from 1,7and9 and buildings.2, 6 & 10,chemicals/ pahrma3,7 and > 11.Allwatery signs for cold sotages,beverages and thermal equipment etc. > > > > Some studies and guidance cane be obatained from pranavasramam. > org.Some books written on the subject have yet to gain currency.Visit to > Bhavan's university Book Store in Delhi and sagar publications may help > as titles can be seen.writer who have brought out publications both in > Hindia and English may not be established writers. > > > > Last but not the least natives have 2-3 retrograde planets require > caution in vest ments.however scripts for immediate gains can be > traded.Having good jupiter karak for wealth can take risks and like wise > venus dasa and exalted venus in pisces can go in for any type of > trading.dasa of rahu ,Sade sati,trading in limited way may be done if > moon is not debilitated or weak. > > > > EXpress Star Teller has brought out some articles written by JUB > Sastry and other whcich are of help. > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > --- On Sat, 9/26/09, sathya <rainbow_in> wrote: > > > > sathya <rainbow_in> > > > > can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > > > Cc: bursar_99 > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009, 2:55 AM > > > > hello., > > > > Can the most learned seniors & experts show some way > > > > to apply astrology on Stock market. > > > > what are the reasons and how the planetary position will take the > Stock Market up and what combination' s will make the Stock market come > down. > > > > what are the sectors which can rise and as of now till what time can > be upside bull market can sustain, > > > > Pls advice me some good books on using Astrology in Stock market, > > > > thanks > > > > sathya > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Dear Friends Our subha muhurta chintamani that give details about Amritadi Ananda yogas and tara bala that form part of " This is a basic knowledge that Astrology in its most practical form can do. " can be taken advatage for stock market All these are general guidelines and their relevance to stock markets specifically to share market is neither required nor appropriate in any way. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) --- On Sun, 10/18/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote: Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Sunday, October 18, 2009, 2:35 AM Dear Vinay jha, //It is futile to waste one's time over argumentation over physical versus non-physical planets. Test of the pudding lies in tasting it.// perfectly said. What could be tasted should also be palatable. You have a taken a different road than others. Only furture & reality shall reveal which one is more correct and easy. An ordinary person sitting at his home trading will never be able to assess the kind of data(s) you are talking about and with your " arguments " of " physical & non-physcal planets " . This is the basic point you are missing in your logic. So let us forget about your conviction on PNP planets, if you don't mind, for the time being. Consider every one here as fools & ignorent. They have only a calender and basic Rasi & Navamsa chart with them. Can your model provide any pointers to them that they shall loose money on this particular day or they shall gain even after a few days, if they invest on those days.? This is a basic knowledge that Astrology in its most practical form can do. It is only commonsense that if any model require non-available data to work correctly, it will not make any sense or is practical. Hence, it is better to gather the available data and try to find a working model from those data. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. ____________ _________ _________ __ VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > Sun, October 18, 2009 7:23:53 AM Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market To Shenoy Ji and others : It is good to know that Shenoy Ji has some (or more) experience in Day Trading. He knows that earning 5-10% profit per day in stock trading cannot be a norm, but is only the theoretical limit. All stock experts and interested astrologers seek to find out means to realize this limit. Shenoy Ji rightly says : " I don't think it is correct to say that economics does not have a firm base in astrology " . Two years ago, I finished work on 55 years of India national income growth rate data provoded by Finance Minister's Economic Surveys, and found it to be PERFECTLY in tune with astrology. Later, I started working on stock markets. But till now, I am not able to assert that stock markets work 100% according to astrological precepts, because I lack data about horoscopes of companies and their owners. It is not a shortcoming of astrology. But 90% of all significant ups and downs in daily movement of stocks of all major companies taken as a whole works in harmony with astrology : it is a conclusion of research and not merely a passing observation. I disagree with Shenoy Ji's remark : " it is not very easy and needs huge efforts to bring out a working model. .......the work so far done has not even touched the base of this subject. " I possess the working model. But unfortunately, instead of testing this model practically, many astrologers are rejecting its n0n-physical planets. Instead of wasting time over arguments, is it not good to test a thing? But even one day's stock movement needs 25-33 horoscopes to be discussed, and my past experience with rain research shows that all my works in these fora will be unheeded. Rohiniranjan Ji was right in saying that internet is not fit for serious research : he has more experience of internet than me. Let me explain my model here. If one planet moves from one bhaava to another, a new horoscope is produced. During 6 hours of BSE workday, there are 24-25 such horoscopes. Between any two successive horoscopes, only one planet differs in its position. Hence, any up or down movement of SENSEX has to be judged from one planet at a time, and only 2nd Bhaava needs to be judged because market capitalization of all SENSEX companies is not a perfect but a good indicator of national wealth . Between any two successive horoscopes, sometimes other planets also change their their properties, such as friendiness towards and aspect on 2nd bhaava, house ownerships, relations & c. But such complexities are rare. Thus, the method is simple. Draw horoscopes for the meridians of Bombay and compare the combined movement of stock prices of topmost companies with astrological charts : one will find startling correspondences. Such correspondences will be more visible if the changes in combined index are large. 25 horoscopes will produce only 25 cusps and troughs in the curve during 10 am and 4 pm, but in reality there are many more variations, which are mostly minor and are due to horoscopes to individual companies and their owners. If 2nd bhaava is not under effective control of its lord, then impact of other planets becomes significant, and aspects of all planets on 2nd bhaava according to their friendliness or unfriendliness must be considered in detail. A few days' or a few weeks' exercize in comparing stock indices with astrological charts will make one expert in judging the QUANTITY of impact a planet makes on a given bhaava. This experience will help in other fields of astrology as well. Analysis of continuous graph of SENSEX will be useful in gaining a quantitative astrological intuition otherwise almost impossible. Comparison of two entirely different horoscopes does not help in this regard, because the differences are too many and it is often difficult to guess which factor led to the overall result. But analysis of continuous Time Series (eg, SENSEX index) provides an opportunity to analyse impacts of individual changes in horoscopes. It is the easiest way to learn practical astrology (not only stock-astrology but all astrology). Please reread this last para seriously. Here, I am discussing only Day Trading. Long term economic-astology has been discussed by me in earlier threads few months ago, explained in some Hindi articles on web. All schools of astrology have their plus points, but it is not because all of them are equally perfect. The reason is that all of them originated directly or indirectly from same archaic source which was religious, intuitive and holistic, unlike the empirical-logical mathod of moderners. It is futile to waste one's time over argumentation over physical versus non-physical planets. Test of the pudding lies in tasting it. -VJ ============ ========= ===== , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Vinay Jha & others > > Thank you very much for further inputs from yourside. > > I started on a research on the subject as I was also a very active participant in the daily stock trading and still holds DP accounts. So I have a first hand experience & knowledge of practical issues of trading for a common person. > > Unfortunately could not do much on the astrogical part due to heavy distractions, either from my own business or people comming to see me with their problems. Ultimately I was forced to set is aside the work since as you know finding answers to those in distress & helping them is more important than this activity. > > Unlike in other countries, where the market is driven by strong fundamentals, Indian market conditions varies if a politician just smiles on the tv screen. Till a few years back trading activity was based on personal contacts. But new internet technologies has made it easier to trade online due to which a lot of persons many having little knowledge of the business came into the arena. Most of the companies (Major Brokers) focused on trading volume than the participants profits and hence issues many unrealistic trading tips, which evetually ended in heavy loss to the commonor. > > This practicaly made trading in India a gamble than a prudent investment or business activity. The sad part is that the Major brokers knew what happens even when their clients are loosing money. They have far more advanced softwares than what they provide their customers. > > However, atleast some of those companies has realised the mistake and trying to regain the confidence of the small traders by providing more realistic tips and infos and focusing on the profits made by these ordinary members. > > Regarding the success rate on each day: > > In this regard I would like those who are either trading or doing research watch the movement of Moon through 2 set of signs - Upachaya & Anupachaya signs either from native moon / 2nd house / 11nth house / their lords / venus / mercury / Jupiter for starters. Signs thus involved and aspected by transiting jupiter or the above lords just might hold the key for days profits or loss in trading. > > The above concepts (which is pure traditional astrological concept) may have to watched over a few days trading and logged carefully. The results may be much helpfull in real trading than theoritical works. > > I also would request Shree Vinay Jha to refrain from starting all over again on " Physical " & His concept of astronomy, which does not help practically any body. It would make sense to produce what the common person shall understand and can use. > > regards > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > VJha vinayjhaa16@ ... > > Sat, October 17, 2009 9:33:05 PM > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market > > > To All, > > I was away for 3 months from all fora and had not read this thread till > now. Many astrologers have put in good ideas, and Shenoy Ji has done a > good job to organize the discussion properly by classifying the > sub-topics to some extent. > > Shenoy Ji writes : > <<< In practical trading daily movement of sensex is of little help > unless the movement changes sharply on the mid-day, which takes any one > by surprise and chances of loss is high.>>> > > This view is the majority view, ie, the view of those who have little or > no practical experience in real time Day Trading. Day Traders in all > stock exchanges of the world employ myriads of stochastic and other > techniques to make small profits at almost each up and down. Experienced > day traders prosper even in a recessing market, because the main > principle of Day Trading is based not on overall loss or gain of index > in a day or more, but on making profits at each small plus or minus > change by means of selling when high and buying when low. There are 25 > such chances per working day, and 15-20 of them may witness more than > 0.25% difference in stock prices. Add them, and it makes 4-5% profit per > day, even if there is no major bullish or bearish activity. If there are > major changes, profits may be much more than 5%. > > Non-astrologers do not know why there are 25 ups plus downs per 6 hours > of working day. This strange phenomenon can be explained ONLY > astrologically : there are about 25 distinct horoscopes during 6 hours > due to nearly 25 transits of planets into various bhaavas. > > Thus, there are 25 distinct charts per working day for a given place, > and each of them should be analyzed strictly according to standard rules > of phalita jyotisha. > This technique is time-consuming, but it is ACCURATE, provided both > Ganita and Phalita are based on original precepts of sages. > > This technique will give graph of ALL companies registered at a > particular stock exchange, but can be roughly used to predict behaviour > of most effective companies, as grouped under Sensex or Nifty. One can > use this technique to buy/sell shares of ALL 30 companies of Sensex > simultaneously, because individual companies may differ from the > combined graph and may cheat the investor due to different astrological > fate as ensuing from the horoscope of that company or of its chief > owners. > > For mid-term and long-term investments, this technique is of no use : > one must use national horoscopes of three types : annual chart of Mesha > Samkraanti, Nakshatra charts which work for about 14 days, and > Shashtyamsha charts which work for about 12 hours. > > Now, market capitalization of topmost 30 or 50 companies account for a > good part of national wealth in India, hence 2nd bhaava in national > horoscope can be used to predict behaviour of Sensex or Nifty. > > I have tested above ideas successfully. But if the investor's personal > fate is not good, planetary propitiation must be performed before doing > anything in this field. > > Shenoy ji puts forth a good question : " How do we find the days on which > he is likely to make profits or loss? " > > The answer depends upon the accuracy of analysis of stocks as well as of > one'e own charts. In personal charts, most influential factors are > Vimshottsri plus Varshaphala+ Maasaphala. If the praana-dahsaa of a given > planet lasts for many days, exact timing of its chief effect can be > determined from the ratio of its degrees (foorgetting the raashi) to 30 > degrees and getting the same ratio in the duration of that > praana-dashaa. Gochara helps further in exact timing of events. > > All astrologers in this thread already know the rudimentary concepts > outlined above, but the problem arises from application of PHYSICAL > astronomy which can never be cured on internet. > > -Vinay Jha > ============ === === > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Vijay Rajput & Vinay Jha, > > > > I have to thank both of you posting the info regarding work on stock > movements > > > > I aware that the research on the subject is time consuming and tedious > job. > > > > However, I think there are 2 basic issues that need to addressed. > > > > 1) daily movemnt of sensex along with sectoral indices. > > 2) Individual compatability with trading prospects in general > > 3) individuals daily rate of success or failure (profit /loss). > > > > In practical trading daily movement of sensex is of little help unless > the movement changes sharply on the mid-day, which takes any one by > surprise and chances of loss is high. > > > > How de we determine with certainity that an individual shall be > successfull in trading business? this does not involve long term > investments, but pure trading activity. > > > > Even if an individual is so compatable, he need make profit every day. > How do we find the days on which he is likely to make profits or loss? > > > > If we can find a resonable answer with atleast 60 to 70% of success > rate, it would be helpfull to many ordinary citizens who venture into > stock market expecting to make quick bucks. > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vijay Rajput vijayrajput13@ ... > > > > Sat, October 17, 2009 3:50:11 PM > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > Dear Prashantji,Krishnan ji and Sureshji,Namste, > > Happy Diwali to you and you family members. > > > > As Jupiter is in direct motion Bank Nifty,Reality, and infrastructures > are moving as predicted in the earlier post.Today Sun is moved in to > tula rasi and you will see some fall in the market and this may continue > for one or two trading sessions.As sun gives it's results at entry of > the sign.Further move in the Bank stocks/BankNifty is likely in the 1st > week of Nov 2009.Particapation in the market will also impove in this > week.Inester' s sentiments is going to improve in next moon as ketu will > move out of Karka rasi.Ketu in karka harmed the market sentimentaly. > > All the best > > Take Care > > Vijay > > > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > Saturday, October 3, 2009, 2:56 PM > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > The Sensex touching 17000 can not be considered as a guide for the > improvement of trading. > > > > Mars into a water sign ruled by Moon is bound to give jitters.being a > festival season,with fears of famine.due to short fall of rains are > bound to have impact on sentiments. > > > > Globallly finances in stocks has not chnaged much.mainly mutual funds > happened to be main attaractions has still not raised hopes for > investor.Realty sector yet waiting for bank incentives.Even banks too > starved for advances.Private sector except communications. chemiclas and > where Govt holds major stakes is giving hopes.Thanx to our strong > economic base that is sparing the Govt tradings. > > > > At this point of time till jupiter moves direct a cautious approach > need to be exercised. > > > > One exception:For those daily tarding is their stuff they can be > relentless as profits and losses go hand in hand.Beware speculation are > guided by one's strength of 8th house aknown malefic house. > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > wrote: > > > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > > > Saturday, October 3, 2009, 10:18 AM > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay > > > > it is a good post but will like u to apply this for a week coming Next > monday or the week after on the said principles and make ur forecast and > ideal is to do it for the entire month week wise and this will cover the > sun entry into Libra also so 2 weeks in Librta can also be studied a > practical series of 3-4 weeks is a welcome one > > > > as it is a known fact that Mkts can't be really predicted by even the > best of expeets else why will we have the crisis that engulfed the world > in this magnitude at least a indication knowing it will happen this bad > was not said leave alone the %age > > > > u can see in some groups a few members r trying to predict the same > with the Sankranti yr model or sankranti Purusha, the aditipatis for > diff sectors and not much has happened to that on the 1st occassion 2nd > one is mixed. > > > > orashant > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Vijay Rajput <vijayrajput13@ > > > > > > > > > Sat, October 3, 2009 4:14:40 PM > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > Dear Satya Ji,Namaste, > > > > Past 2-3 years I am tracking the stock market by using the basic > principle of Vedic Astrology.My guru is helping me much in this > regard.In the month of April On 9th April 2009 while answering a query I > have predicted the short term bull run in the stock market after the > transit of Jupiter. > > > > Again in the month of June I have predicted the consolidation of > market and good rise in market is likely after 15th Oct 2009. > > > > Now how to use astrology is important.The boss of speculation is > Saturn so closely watch the movement of Sat. > > > > Jupiter is dhanad it's movement and good position always indicates the > liquidity in the market and you may be knowing at present only liquidity > and speculation is driving the market.Monthly movement is to be seen by > the move ment of Sun and sun gives the results at its entry.For day to > day movement the move ment of Moon is very Important.And to track the > intra day movement,the movement of Moon in D-60 is very Important and it > can ve used for the movement of market.The navamsa position of planets > gives the sector wise movement. > > > > In the coming period Jupiter and Mars will be sitting opposite to each > other during this period you will see the sharp move in > Banking,Realityand Infrastructure sectors.Watch the Bank Nifty. > > > > You can draw the Nifty Future's chart and use the daily transit on > this chart. > > > > Even you can cast the individual chart of stocks. > > > > All the best > > > > Take care > > > > Vijay > > > > --- On Mon, 9/28/09, Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > > > Monday, September 28, 2009, 10:09 AM > > > > Hello Sathya Ji, > > > > Financial Astrology and particulalrly Stock trading is an emerging > concept.A couple of seminars have been held here there and some writers > have also contributes articles in express Star teller. > > > > After economic rforms when privatisation on large scale with PPPs ,JVs > and Venture Capital coming into existence the trade and economics was > undergoing sea change. > > > > And to upset the calculations, the war like situatins,monopoly of oil > producing contries have taken away sheen in the trade market. > > > > with huge success in Indian trade of mutual funds in India Astrologers > basing financial Institutions performance and with blue chips of Larsen > & Tubro,Tata, Relinace and Birla etc the speculation gianed lot of > importance as the risk has increased.These major industries suddenly > went behind screen with realty sector and DLF coming into picture. > > > > It is now certain,value of shares continue to hover around 5-6 major > secctors like land,Reality, Pharma,steel, cement and other constructions > industries. > > > > Apart from,Jupiter, venus,and Mercury,mars to has it's role in share > market. > > > > we hear about Bulls and bears.Bearish tency is always when visionaries > get combust mainly during amvasya days. > > > > Nodes too have role in sudden spurts in share values.The moon waxing > is an indication for once investment to give return. > > > > But short term and long term invest definetely has to be based on the > traditional view of slow moving palnets(Saturn, Jupiter and Vneus) and > short term the main trade is based on moon,mars and mercury. > > > > when mercury conjunct,combust one has to be careful in putchasing > stocks.Buying is investment and the trading has to be done on day to day > basis looking into moons brightness other wise.the timing too has to be > decided when sun is almost free from any malefic aspects. > > > > Sudden gains are always based on 8th house including horses > races,lotteries and windfalls..8th t0 8th that is 3rd also > trade,commerce and communication for disposals. > > > > 5th known to be house of intution has a major role intrading of > stcocks. 11th bhava income house and 2nd for wealth when afflicted in > natal chart one has to be very cautious in netering stcok markets. > > > > In traidng of stcoks losses are inherent,role of 12th house can never > be discounted .malefics in 12th always represent heavy losses.Benifics > may help in minimising losses.Thes fundamentals of Astrology cannever be > ignored. > > > > Commodity specifics lke ketu for pharmas,venus for building.saturn for > steel,Sun for Gold,mercury for chemicals and mars for land etc indicate > their importance. > > > > Mind dual houses represented by pisces9watery sign) gemini(airy sign) > virgo (earthy sign) and finally sagittarus(fiery sign) throw light on > the nature of commodities also.Precious metals and stomes are always > looked from 1,7and9 and buildings.2, 6 & 10,chemicals/ pahrma3,7 and > 11.Allwatery signs for cold sotages,beverages and thermal equipment etc. > > > > Some studies and guidance cane be obatained from pranavasramam. > org.Some books written on the subject have yet to gain currency.Visit to > Bhavan's university Book Store in Delhi and sagar publications may help > as titles can be seen.writer who have brought out publications both in > Hindia and English may not be established writers. > > > > Last but not the least natives have 2-3 retrograde planets require > caution in vest ments.however scripts for immediate gains can be > traded.Having good jupiter karak for wealth can take risks and like wise > venus dasa and exalted venus in pisces can go in for any type of > trading.dasa of rahu ,Sade sati,trading in limited way may be done if > moon is not debilitated or weak. > > > > EXpress Star Teller has brought out some articles written by JUB > Sastry and other whcich are of help. > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > --- On Sat, 9/26/09, sathya <rainbow_in> wrote: > > > > sathya <rainbow_in> > > > > can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > > > Cc: bursar_99 > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009, 2:55 AM > > > > hello., > > > > Can the most learned seniors & experts show some way > > > > to apply astrology on Stock market. > > > > what are the reasons and how the planetary position will take the > Stock Market up and what combination' s will make the Stock market come > down. > > > > what are the sectors which can rise and as of now till what time can > be upside bull market can sustain, > > > > Pls advice me some good books on using Astrology in Stock market, > > > > thanks > > > > sathya > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Dear Krishna ji, Frankly speaking, I am very sorry to say , I couldn't make head or tails of what your implying or your line of thinking. white money or black money or intricasis of world economy are all secondry, while primary remains the individual. Sage will not be surprised at the type of currencies, whether it is black or white or horded or paper, for they have already provided many pointers to this effect such as drishya & adrishya, saturn's association, 12th bava associations etc. We only have to use the logic for the different problems at hand. About responcibilities: Aren't astrologers taking responcibility in their hands when you agrees to reject marriage compatability? I remember a case where a person had many leagal problems and his home was about to be taken over by bank. I advised not to take any action. In fact I told him that it will done on a particular day (with Lahiri Ayanamsa - so called physical astronomy) but just to smile at them. As predicted, they slapped notice on the house but could not anything. Now the bank is trying hard to give it back. He later came and thanked me. You know why? The bank did a big blunder as predicted and now they can't do anything other than giving the house back and going for a compromise. If he had taken any action before, they would had known about their mistake and would have taken neccessary steps, which if did, would have turned against my friend, who actually is not at fault. Was it not great risk that I had reframed him in taking any action? How many such risks are we taking each day? This is why I wrote about about responcibilities of studying this subject in a much earlier discussion. And there much higher and unseen responcibilities that an astrologer takes, which has to experienced than talked. If you take a statistics, not even 1% percent of traders are going to look at astrology for daily trading, then why should we shy away from doing research on the subject? A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ________________________________ Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 Sun, October 18, 2009 8:27:49 AM Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Dear Shri Suresh Ji When we tried very humbly to invest energies in to jyotish,we intended how this reverred science can help society and common Man. In the process we keep whole faith in our planets and try our best to track their behaviour and venture to indicate when some body can start earning,when and how he can get a spouse and also a male or a female child as a result of his marriage and all his health concerns besides his good luck and bad luck The responsibility thus taken has no limit on Astrologer and all this we endeavour by looking at skies So we deal some necessary things and some unnecessary things which should normally not the concern of jyotish.Iam ofcourse highlighting as what should not be the concern of jyotish.Might be keeping a tab on scope of Astrology is an irresponsible inkling. we need however to preserve AStrology from it's ideals and prudent principles. I am of the view,that the " undecided man for ever " shows no signs of apprehensions and willing to be a responsible person to the people around where he lives.So his efforts to sustain himself and support his own people commences.it is but natural if one can find short cuts to ensure happiness of his kith and kith without himself undergoing any stress on himself.Astrology if can bring a way out that is really worth millions. This is where jyotish has put a flow chart for every person for the sake of his guidance by including Dharma,Ardha, kama Moksha aspects of life. while a person through his educaion draws his own chart and finds due to his own chart but inconsistencies to turn to an Astrologer for guidance .Astrologer s remain as 2nd choice for guidance This constitutes only 30 percent of folk for whom we have to provide answers.Here fate of the nations,fate of the systems working and fate of the individals.fate of the ventures to depend on market forces etc need to be analysed.My apprehension however remains? It is quite freightening at this stage even to be aware of Global finances and Global exchanges. If the common man's interest is not protected any science I feel is of no consequence. So we need to understand full implications of economics first before we try to understand Astrologically what is white money and balck money. Funny aspect of life today it seems people have real estates but no money to eat? is it not a concern of all us to find us how such things occur? ..I wish those saints who have guided us in the past if they come back to life once again to know these factors of white and black and other things Iam sure they will become dumb. The Dharma enunciated by an Astrologer has no relevence to country,to type of currency and variety of trades. what makes however vary is the ardha and kama which brings in stress factors.In this context the share what we have been talking about is not shared in real sense bringing the devide in Dhrama concepts.It is where Astrologer has dificulties as for him Deva Gana nad Raksha gana have equal significance. This where even renowned economists expressed in US as under: " The financial system has to be safe for failure, " said Summers.any " exit strategy " would be different on Main Street than it would on Wall Street. " The world wanted to be in Treasuries, in the safest and most liquid markets, and you saw the dollar rose when people were most concerned about the future of the world, " he said. Summers told an audience of financial market participants. " Wall Street was no small part of the cause of the crisis and Wall Street needs to be part of the solution. " While economists work under pressure to strengthen economy by warding off " hits " against USD,the common man only interested in his pursuits to have his daily bread. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) --- On Sat, 10/17/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Saturday, October 17, 2009, 2:48 PM Dear Krishna ji, There are many observations that you have made which is totaly agreeble. What ever technical info we use to study stocks and their movements, it become useless on many grounds prevailing in India. But most of the experienced small or medium traders knows about this very well. As on date, Indian Stock Market is not independant due to many stocks listed in international stock exchanges. The hard hit persons are those who have invested all their savings. Some has borowed money for investing in the stocks. Those were the hardest hit because, what they bought not only lost its value, but liability remained at the higher rate of interest as well, which they couldn't make up. One can only say that it is greed that lead them to it. Vinay Jha's assertion of total percentages of changes a stock undergoes and rate of profitabilty is not at all practical. It looks good only on paper and is tempting too. But on practical front, one has to sit in front of terminal to understand its dynamics. ************ However that is not our point of discussion. Our efforts are to find a plausible link and solution through Astrology. I don't think it is correct to say that economics does not have a firm base in astrology, if I understand what you have said correctly. In that case, the whole of Astrology becomes redundant. If we can predict the financial prospects of an individual, there has to be connection with stock markets as well. It is true that during the time of sages, when they wrote Astrology, The practice of Share trading was not there and such extensive practices of cheating. But have laid the grounds and core principles. It is upto the present generation to study & co-relate those principles for the benefit of the public in the changing economic conditions. It is also true that it is not very easy and needs huge efforts to bring out a working model. A few predictions that comes true or fails doen't mean anything. Let those who have time and knowledge make those efforts. Every small help regarding pointers and astrological co-relationships might make their efforts much easier and bring about faster results. In any kind of research, it is not just the right principles that in important but wrong one too. When we establish a certain conditions or factor to wrong, it becomes much easier to find the conditions / factors from the remaining ones. So it doesn't matter what we say is right or wrong, but what matters is the right kind of participation. It is upto the researcher to establish whether it is correct or wrong. My personal knowledge & feeling is that, the work so far done has not even touched the base of this subject. So there is plenty to be unearthed and let this discussion be an encouragement for them. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > Sat, October 17, 2009 11:01:09 PM Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Dear Shri Vinay Ji,Suresh Ji and others. On a most propitous day of Deepavali ,nice to have seen you in the forum.Ab intio,pleasenteries of Deepavali. we firmly believe in Astroogy and it's principle however understood analysed.In case the bhagya/destiny of a person has to be related to shares and trading,these principles interlinked economics have little impact. I know all of us venture to write and express our views but can not decide and judge the fate of Individuals. My close friends became millionares from T.Nagar of Madras and have become paupers from jharia of Bihar.I have no logic to churn out from astrological awareness. The economics of trading in shares has been a favoured subject after globalisation in India.Except " Master share " debacle in 1990.The principle for share markets contnues to be: " more active " more sell off and profits " .Bullish and bearish tendencies though man made and mid afternoon, gestures adds curiosity from media point of view.in any case we have to accept s really hrd core business to buy and sell shares.Issue however is not how much you enedeavour to invest.So we have chain of traders with more middle men to mislead in share market Astrology as applied has to be intricate with all it'sdivergent approaches: " Ganita and Phalita are based on original precepts of sages " One of my friend in Gujarat working for MS university Mr Shah's trade practices are instaneous as even small margins arising out of buying and selling on the same day too keep the going good. What actually gets complicated is the Astrological analysis of Shares and Stocks from Individual in perspective. I am not very firm on - " but on making profits at each small plus or minuschange by means of selling when high and buying when low.:This might be a cardinal principle approach but patterns often seem to change as shares of some the firms never undergo these volatile phases except room is created for inside trading. a dubious practice that pushes and upsets market trends. The point of study relating to indices and actual business patterns which are cyclic are not easily understandable let alone from the economics of trading point of view So " provided bothaccuracy of analysis of stocks' is academic but not really practicable. We have seen very few people aspiring to make career in shares and trading it is more as a hobby people test the field throwing aside: as well as of one'e own charts.;.Result we have seen several suiicides and homicides in this field along with contributing factor of crime. when economy of the country is driven by forces other than markets,we await lot of shocks.so we have festival tradings,marriage season fluctuations and what not. Finally Mars,the pivotal planet even as per kartikaadi chart20066 " and also 2nd house of this chart happens to be in papkartari'are threatening that can throw many principles of share markets to winds. Today what is pinching markets is lack of liquidity and financial institutions want to be sane and so no off loading of currency from chests. These issues relevant in economics for trading find to have no firm base in Astrology from individuals perspective. People can not afford to invest out of provident fund moneys to remind the story of 190s of Master share. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) --- On Sat, 10/17/09, VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Saturday, October 17, 2009, 12:03 PM To All, I was away for 3 months from all fora and had not read this thread till now. Many astrologers have put in good ideas, and Shenoy Ji has done a good job to organize the discussion properly by classifying the sub-topics to some extent. Shenoy Ji writes : <<< In practical trading daily movement of sensex is of little help unless the movement changes sharply on the mid-day, which takes any one by surprise and chances of loss is high.>>> This view is the majority view, ie, the view of those who have little or no practical experience in real time Day Trading. Day Traders in all stock exchanges of the world employ myriads of stochastic and other techniques to make small profits at almost each up and down. Experienced day traders prosper even in a recessing market, because the main principle of Day Trading is based not on overall loss or gain of index in a day or more, but on making profits at each small plus or minus change by means of selling when high and buying when low. There are 25 such chances per working day, and 15-20 of them may witness more than 0.25% difference in stock prices. Add them, and it makes 4-5% profit per day, even if there is no major bullish or bearish activity. If there are major changes, profits may be much more than 5%. Non-astrologers do not know why there are 25 ups plus downs per 6 hours of working day. This strange phenomenon can be explained ONLY astrologically : there are about 25 distinct horoscopes during 6 hours due to nearly 25 transits of planets into various bhaavas. Thus, there are 25 distinct charts per working day for a given place, and each of them should be analyzed strictly according to standard rules of phalita jyotisha. This technique is time-consuming, but it is ACCURATE, provided both Ganita and Phalita are based on original precepts of sages. This technique will give graph of ALL companies registered at a particular stock exchange, but can be roughly used to predict behaviour of most effective companies, as grouped under Sensex or Nifty. One can use this technique to buy/sell shares of ALL 30 companies of Sensex simultaneously, because individual companies may differ from the combined graph and may cheat the investor due to different astrological fate as ensuing from the horoscope of that company or of its chief owners. For mid-term and long-term investments, this technique is of no use : one must use national horoscopes of three types : annual chart of Mesha Samkraanti, Nakshatra charts which work for about 14 days, and Shashtyamsha charts which work for about 12 hours. Now, market capitalization of topmost 30 or 50 companies account for a good part of national wealth in India, hence 2nd bhaava in national horoscope can be used to predict behaviour of Sensex or Nifty. I have tested above ideas successfully. But if the investor's personal fate is not good, planetary propitiation must be performed before doing anything in this field. Shenoy ji puts forth a good question : " How do we find the days on which he is likely to make profits or loss? " The answer depends upon the accuracy of analysis of stocks as well as of one'e own charts. In personal charts, most influential factors are Vimshottsri plus Varshaphala+ Maasaphala. If the praana-dahsaa of a given planet lasts for many days, exact timing of its chief effect can be determined from the ratio of its degrees (foorgetting the raashi) to 30 degrees and getting the same ratio in the duration of that praana-dashaa. Gochara helps further in exact timing of events. All astrologers in this thread already know the rudimentary concepts outlined above, but the problem arises from application of PHYSICAL astronomy which can never be cured on internet. -Vinay Jha ============ === === , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Vijay Rajput & Vinay Jha, > > I have to thank both of you posting the info regarding work on stock movements > > I aware that the research on the subject is time consuming and tedious job. > > However, I think there are 2 basic issues that need to addressed. > > 1) daily movemnt of sensex along with sectoral indices. > 2) Individual compatability with trading prospects in general > 3) individuals daily rate of success or failure (profit /loss). > > In practical trading daily movement of sensex is of little help unless the movement changes sharply on the mid-day, which takes any one by surprise and chances of loss is high. > > How de we determine with certainity that an individual shall be successfull in trading business? this does not involve long term investments, but pure trading activity. > > Even if an individual is so compatable, he need make profit every day. How do we find the days on which he is likely to make profits or loss? > > If we can find a resonable answer with atleast 60 to 70% of success rate, it would be helpfull to many ordinary citizens who venture into stock market expecting to make quick bucks. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Vijay Rajput vijayrajput13@ ... > > Sat, October 17, 2009 3:50:11 PM > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > Dear Prashantji,Krishnan ji and Sureshji,Namste, > Happy Diwali to you and you family members. > > As Jupiter is in direct motion Bank Nifty,Reality, and infrastructures are moving as predicted in the earlier post.Today Sun is moved in to tula rasi and you will see some fall in the market and this may continue for one or two trading sessions.As sun gives it's results at entry of the sign.Further move in the Bank stocks/BankNifty is likely in the 1st week of Nov 2009.Particapation in the market will also impove in this week.Inester' s sentiments is going to improve in next moon as ketu will move out of Karka rasi.Ketu in karka harmed the market sentimentaly. > All the best > Take Care > Vijay > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > wrote: > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > Saturday, October 3, 2009, 2:56 PM > > > > Dear Friends, > > The Sensex touching 17000 can not be considered as a guide for the improvement of trading. > > Mars into a water sign ruled by Moon is bound to give jitters.being a festival season,with fears of famine.due to short fall of rains are bound to have impact on sentiments. > > Globallly finances in stocks has not chnaged much.mainly mutual funds happened to be main attaractions has still not raised hopes for investor.Realty sector yet waiting for bank incentives.Even banks too starved for advances.Private sector except communications. chemiclas and where Govt holds major stakes is giving hopes.Thanx to our strong economic base that is sparing the Govt tradings. > > At this point of time till jupiter moves direct a cautious approach need to be exercised. > > One exception:For those daily tarding is their stuff they can be relentless as profits and losses go hand in hand.Beware speculation are guided by one's strength of 8th house aknown malefic house. > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > wrote: > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > Saturday, October 3, 2009, 10:18 AM > > > > Dear Vijay > > it is a good post but will like u to apply this for a week coming Next monday or the week after on the said principles and make ur forecast and ideal is to do it for the entire month week wise and this will cover the sun entry into Libra also so 2 weeks in Librta can also be studied a practical series of 3-4 weeks is a welcome one > > as it is a known fact that Mkts can't be really predicted by even the best of expeets else why will we have the crisis that engulfed the world in this magnitude at least a indication knowing it will happen this bad was not said leave alone the %age > > u can see in some groups a few members r trying to predict the same with the Sankranti yr model or sankranti Purusha, the aditipatis for diff sectors and not much has happened to that on the 1st occassion 2nd one is mixed. > > orashant > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vijay Rajput <vijayrajput13@ > > > > > Sat, October 3, 2009 4:14:40 PM > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > Dear Satya Ji,Namaste, > > Past 2-3 years I am tracking the stock market by using the basic principle of Vedic Astrology.My guru is helping me much in this regard.In the month of April On 9th April 2009 while answering a query I have predicted the short term bull run in the stock market after the transit of Jupiter. > > Again in the month of June I have predicted the consolidation of market and good rise in market is likely after 15th Oct 2009. > > Now how to use astrology is important.The boss of speculation is Saturn so closely watch the movement of Sat. > > Jupiter is dhanad it's movement and good position always indicates the liquidity in the market and you may be knowing at present only liquidity and speculation is driving the market.Monthly movement is to be seen by the move ment of Sun and sun gives the results at its entry.For day to day movement the move ment of Moon is very Important.And to track the intra day movement,the movement of Moon in D-60 is very Important and it can ve used for the movement of market.The navamsa position of planets gives the sector wise movement. > > In the coming period Jupiter and Mars will be sitting opposite to each other during this period you will see the sharp move in Banking,Realityand Infrastructure sectors.Watch the Bank Nifty. > > You can draw the Nifty Future's chart and use the daily transit on this chart. > > Even you can cast the individual chart of stocks. > > All the best > > Take care > > Vijay > > --- On Mon, 9/28/09, Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > wrote: > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > Monday, September 28, 2009, 10:09 AM > > Hello Sathya Ji, > > Financial Astrology and particulalrly Stock trading is an emerging concept.A couple of seminars have been held here there and some writers have also contributes articles in express Star teller. > > After economic rforms when privatisation on large scale with PPPs ,JVs and Venture Capital coming into existence the trade and economics was undergoing sea change. > > And to upset the calculations, the war like situatins,monopoly of oil producing contries have taken away sheen in the trade market. > > with huge success in Indian trade of mutual funds in India Astrologers basing financial Institutions performance and with blue chips of Larsen & Tubro,Tata, Relinace and Birla etc the speculation gianed lot of importance as the risk has increased.These major industries suddenly went behind screen with realty sector and DLF coming into picture. > > It is now certain,value of shares continue to hover around 5-6 major secctors like land,Reality, Pharma,steel, cement and other constructions industries. > > Apart from,Jupiter, venus,and Mercury,mars to has it's role in share market. > > we hear about Bulls and bears.Bearish tency is always when visionaries get combust mainly during amvasya days. > > Nodes too have role in sudden spurts in share values.The moon waxing is an indication for once investment to give return. > > But short term and long term invest definetely has to be based on the traditional view of slow moving palnets(Saturn, Jupiter and Vneus) and short term the main trade is based on moon,mars and mercury. > > when mercury conjunct,combust one has to be careful in putchasing stocks.Buying is investment and the trading has to be done on day to day basis looking into moons brightness other wise.the timing too has to be decided when sun is almost free from any malefic aspects. > > Sudden gains are always based on 8th house including horses races,lotteries and windfalls..8th t0 8th that is 3rd also trade,commerce and communication for disposals. > > 5th known to be house of intution has a major role intrading of stcocks. 11th bhava income house and 2nd for wealth when afflicted in natal chart one has to be very cautious in netering stcok markets. > > In traidng of stcoks losses are inherent,role of 12th house can never be discounted .malefics in 12th always represent heavy losses.Benifics may help in minimising losses.Thes fundamentals of Astrology cannever be ignored. > > Commodity specifics lke ketu for pharmas,venus for building.saturn for steel,Sun for Gold,mercury for chemicals and mars for land etc indicate their importance. > > Mind dual houses represented by pisces9watery sign) gemini(airy sign) virgo (earthy sign) and finally sagittarus(fiery sign) throw light on the nature of commodities also.Precious metals and stomes are always looked from 1,7and9 and buildings.2, 6 & 10,chemicals/ pahrma3,7 and 11.Allwatery signs for cold sotages,beverages and thermal equipment etc. > > Some studies and guidance cane be obatained from pranavasramam. org.Some books written on the subject have yet to gain currency.Visit to Bhavan's university Book Store in Delhi and sagar publications may help as titles can be seen.writer who have brought out publications both in Hindia and English may not be established writers. > > Last but not the least natives have 2-3 retrograde planets require caution in vest ments.however scripts for immediate gains can be traded.Having good jupiter karak for wealth can take risks and like wise venus dasa and exalted venus in pisces can go in for any type of trading.dasa of rahu ,Sade sati,trading in limited way may be done if moon is not debilitated or weak. > > EXpress Star Teller has brought out some articles written by JUB Sastry and other whcich are of help. > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > --- On Sat, 9/26/09, sathya <rainbow_in> wrote: > > sathya <rainbow_in> > > can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > Cc: bursar_99 > > Saturday, September 26, 2009, 2:55 AM > > hello., > > Can the most learned seniors & experts show some way > > to apply astrology on Stock market. > > what are the reasons and how the planetary position will take the Stock Market up and what combination' s will make the Stock market come down. > > what are the sectors which can rise and as of now till what time can be upside bull market can sustain, > > Pls advice me some good books on using Astrology in Stock market, > > thanks > > sathya > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Dear Krishna ji I thinkl the black and whiote currences can be reflected in the dharmic or adharmic earning streams ina individual, organisation, nations charts isnt it and as said earlier also if a person gains there is also a person or few who do lose fromthe same script by selling isnt it it can be a gain in value to tbe buyer or fall in value to th seller that can tilt the actual gainers here. the value systems [yoga dharma] is governed by the pouplace in gen as now governances is by the masses, than the soverign authorities. we get the leaders we deserve corrupt ppl elect corrupt leaders. so the currenices are equally corrupt and trhey dictate the course of the business climate, market trends witht e fundementals quiteoften having no role if the govt is on a shaky wicket that period so is the mkkt no fundamentals of the TOP 30 companies can resuce it. and as the old adage goes if America has cold rest of the world has pnuemonia is still valied in USD pegged global ecconomy its debts its deficit, interest rate trends dictate the global piicture still so we need to study US chart like the rasi chart and any other country's chart as complimentorychart to get good direction in this the closing of US mkt will give the trends to EAST ASIAN ECCONOMIES NEXT DAY and they appear to run almost close to heels and throws its weight on Our markets as well. prashant /database?method=reportRows & tbl=6 ________________________________ Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 Sun, October 18, 2009 12:22:46 PM Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Dear Friends Our subha muhurta chintamani that give details about Amritadi Ananda yogas and tara bala that form part of " This is a basic knowledge that Astrology in its most practical form can do. " can be taken advatage for stock market All these are general guidelines and their relevance to stock markets specifically to share market is neither required nor appropriate in any way. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) --- On Sun, 10/18/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Sunday, October 18, 2009, 2:35 AM Dear Vinay jha, //It is futile to waste one's time over argumentation over physical versus non-physical planets. Test of the pudding lies in tasting it.// perfectly said. What could be tasted should also be palatable. You have a taken a different road than others. Only furture & reality shall reveal which one is more correct and easy. An ordinary person sitting at his home trading will never be able to assess the kind of data(s) you are talking about and with your " arguments " of " physical & non-physcal planets " . This is the basic point you are missing in your logic. So let us forget about your conviction on PNP planets, if you don't mind, for the time being. Consider every one here as fools & ignorent. They have only a calender and basic Rasi & Navamsa chart with them. Can your model provide any pointers to them that they shall loose money on this particular day or they shall gain even after a few days, if they invest on those days.? This is a basic knowledge that Astrology in its most practical form can do. It is only commonsense that if any model require non-available data to work correctly, it will not make any sense or is practical. Hence, it is better to gather the available data and try to find a working model from those data. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. ____________ _________ _________ __ VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > Sun, October 18, 2009 7:23:53 AM Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market To Shenoy Ji and others : It is good to know that Shenoy Ji has some (or more) experience in Day Trading. He knows that earning 5-10% profit per day in stock trading cannot be a norm, but is only the theoretical limit. All stock experts and interested astrologers seek to find out means to realize this limit. Shenoy Ji rightly says : " I don't think it is correct to say that economics does not have a firm base in astrology " . Two years ago, I finished work on 55 years of India national income growth rate data provoded by Finance Minister's Economic Surveys, and found it to be PERFECTLY in tune with astrology. Later, I started working on stock markets. But till now, I am not able to assert that stock markets work 100% according to astrological precepts, because I lack data about horoscopes of companies and their owners. It is not a shortcoming of astrology. But 90% of all significant ups and downs in daily movement of stocks of all major companies taken as a whole works in harmony with astrology : it is a conclusion of research and not merely a passing observation. I disagree with Shenoy Ji's remark : " it is not very easy and needs huge efforts to bring out a working model. .......the work so far done has not even touched the base of this subject. " I possess the working model. But unfortunately, instead of testing this model practically, many astrologers are rejecting its n0n-physical planets. Instead of wasting time over arguments, is it not good to test a thing? But even one day's stock movement needs 25-33 horoscopes to be discussed, and my past experience with rain research shows that all my works in these fora will be unheeded. Rohiniranjan Ji was right in saying that internet is not fit for serious research : he has more experience of internet than me. Let me explain my model here. If one planet moves from one bhaava to another, a new horoscope is produced. During 6 hours of BSE workday, there are 24-25 such horoscopes. Between any two successive horoscopes, only one planet differs in its position. Hence, any up or down movement of SENSEX has to be judged from one planet at a time, and only 2nd Bhaava needs to be judged because market capitalization of all SENSEX companies is not a perfect but a good indicator of national wealth . Between any two successive horoscopes, sometimes other planets also change their their properties, such as friendiness towards and aspect on 2nd bhaava, house ownerships, relations & c. But such complexities are rare. Thus, the method is simple. Draw horoscopes for the meridians of Bombay and compare the combined movement of stock prices of topmost companies with astrological charts : one will find startling correspondences. Such correspondences will be more visible if the changes in combined index are large. 25 horoscopes will produce only 25 cusps and troughs in the curve during 10 am and 4 pm, but in reality there are many more variations, which are mostly minor and are due to horoscopes to individual companies and their owners. If 2nd bhaava is not under effective control of its lord, then impact of other planets becomes significant, and aspects of all planets on 2nd bhaava according to their friendliness or unfriendliness must be considered in detail. A few days' or a few weeks' exercize in comparing stock indices with astrological charts will make one expert in judging the QUANTITY of impact a planet makes on a given bhaava. This experience will help in other fields of astrology as well. Analysis of continuous graph of SENSEX will be useful in gaining a quantitative astrological intuition otherwise almost impossible. Comparison of two entirely different horoscopes does not help in this regard, because the differences are too many and it is often difficult to guess which factor led to the overall result. But analysis of continuous Time Series (eg, SENSEX index) provides an opportunity to analyse impacts of individual changes in horoscopes. It is the easiest way to learn practical astrology (not only stock-astrology but all astrology). Please reread this last para seriously. Here, I am discussing only Day Trading. Long term economic-astology has been discussed by me in earlier threads few months ago, explained in some Hindi articles on web. All schools of astrology have their plus points, but it is not because all of them are equally perfect. The reason is that all of them originated directly or indirectly from same archaic source which was religious, intuitive and holistic, unlike the empirical-logical mathod of moderners. It is futile to waste one's time over argumentation over physical versus non-physical planets. Test of the pudding lies in tasting it. -VJ ============ ========= ===== , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Vinay Jha & others > > Thank you very much for further inputs from yourside. > > I started on a research on the subject as I was also a very active participant in the daily stock trading and still holds DP accounts. So I have a first hand experience & knowledge of practical issues of trading for a common person. > > Unfortunately could not do much on the astrogical part due to heavy distractions, either from my own business or people comming to see me with their problems. Ultimately I was forced to set is aside the work since as you know finding answers to those in distress & helping them is more important than this activity. > > Unlike in other countries, where the market is driven by strong fundamentals, Indian market conditions varies if a politician just smiles on the tv screen. Till a few years back trading activity was based on personal contacts. But new internet technologies has made it easier to trade online due to which a lot of persons many having little knowledge of the business came into the arena. Most of the companies (Major Brokers) focused on trading volume than the participants profits and hence issues many unrealistic trading tips, which evetually ended in heavy loss to the commonor. > > This practicaly made trading in India a gamble than a prudent investment or business activity. The sad part is that the Major brokers knew what happens even when their clients are loosing money. They have far more advanced softwares than what they provide their customers. > > However, atleast some of those companies has realised the mistake and trying to regain the confidence of the small traders by providing more realistic tips and infos and focusing on the profits made by these ordinary members. > > Regarding the success rate on each day: > > In this regard I would like those who are either trading or doing research watch the movement of Moon through 2 set of signs - Upachaya & Anupachaya signs either from native moon / 2nd house / 11nth house / their lords / venus / mercury / Jupiter for starters. Signs thus involved and aspected by transiting jupiter or the above lords just might hold the key for days profits or loss in trading. > > The above concepts (which is pure traditional astrological concept) may have to watched over a few days trading and logged carefully. The results may be much helpfull in real trading than theoritical works. > > I also would request Shree Vinay Jha to refrain from starting all over again on " Physical " & His concept of astronomy, which does not help practically any body. It would make sense to produce what the common person shall understand and can use. > > regards > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > VJha vinayjhaa16@ ... > > Sat, October 17, 2009 9:33:05 PM > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market > > > To All, > > I was away for 3 months from all fora and had not read this thread till > now. Many astrologers have put in good ideas, and Shenoy Ji has done a > good job to organize the discussion properly by classifying the > sub-topics to some extent. > > Shenoy Ji writes : > <<< In practical trading daily movement of sensex is of little help > unless the movement changes sharply on the mid-day, which takes any one > by surprise and chances of loss is high.>>> > > This view is the majority view, ie, the view of those who have little or > no practical experience in real time Day Trading. Day Traders in all > stock exchanges of the world employ myriads of stochastic and other > techniques to make small profits at almost each up and down. Experienced > day traders prosper even in a recessing market, because the main > principle of Day Trading is based not on overall loss or gain of index > in a day or more, but on making profits at each small plus or minus > change by means of selling when high and buying when low. There are 25 > such chances per working day, and 15-20 of them may witness more than > 0.25% difference in stock prices. Add them, and it makes 4-5% profit per > day, even if there is no major bullish or bearish activity. If there are > major changes, profits may be much more than 5%. > > Non-astrologers do not know why there are 25 ups plus downs per 6 hours > of working day. This strange phenomenon can be explained ONLY > astrologically : there are about 25 distinct horoscopes during 6 hours > due to nearly 25 transits of planets into various bhaavas. > > Thus, there are 25 distinct charts per working day for a given place, > and each of them should be analyzed strictly according to standard rules > of phalita jyotisha. > This technique is time-consuming, but it is ACCURATE, provided both > Ganita and Phalita are based on original precepts of sages. > > This technique will give graph of ALL companies registered at a > particular stock exchange, but can be roughly used to predict behaviour > of most effective companies, as grouped under Sensex or Nifty. One can > use this technique to buy/sell shares of ALL 30 companies of Sensex > simultaneously, because individual companies may differ from the > combined graph and may cheat the investor due to different astrological > fate as ensuing from the horoscope of that company or of its chief > owners. > > For mid-term and long-term investments, this technique is of no use : > one must use national horoscopes of three types : annual chart of Mesha > Samkraanti, Nakshatra charts which work for about 14 days, and > Shashtyamsha charts which work for about 12 hours. > > Now, market capitalization of topmost 30 or 50 companies account for a > good part of national wealth in India, hence 2nd bhaava in national > horoscope can be used to predict behaviour of Sensex or Nifty. > > I have tested above ideas successfully. But if the investor's personal > fate is not good, planetary propitiation must be performed before doing > anything in this field. > > Shenoy ji puts forth a good question : " How do we find the days on which > he is likely to make profits or loss? " > > The answer depends upon the accuracy of analysis of stocks as well as of > one'e own charts. In personal charts, most influential factors are > Vimshottsri plus Varshaphala+ Maasaphala. If the praana-dahsaa of a given > planet lasts for many days, exact timing of its chief effect can be > determined from the ratio of its degrees (foorgetting the raashi) to 30 > degrees and getting the same ratio in the duration of that > praana-dashaa. Gochara helps further in exact timing of events. > > All astrologers in this thread already know the rudimentary concepts > outlined above, but the problem arises from application of PHYSICAL > astronomy which can never be cured on internet. > > -Vinay Jha > ============ === === > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Vijay Rajput & Vinay Jha, > > > > I have to thank both of you posting the info regarding work on stock > movements > > > > I aware that the research on the subject is time consuming and tedious > job. > > > > However, I think there are 2 basic issues that need to addressed. > > > > 1) daily movemnt of sensex along with sectoral indices. > > 2) Individual compatability with trading prospects in general > > 3) individuals daily rate of success or failure (profit /loss). > > > > In practical trading daily movement of sensex is of little help unless > the movement changes sharply on the mid-day, which takes any one by > surprise and chances of loss is high. > > > > How de we determine with certainity that an individual shall be > successfull in trading business? this does not involve long term > investments, but pure trading activity. > > > > Even if an individual is so compatable, he need make profit every day. > How do we find the days on which he is likely to make profits or loss? > > > > If we can find a resonable answer with atleast 60 to 70% of success > rate, it would be helpfull to many ordinary citizens who venture into > stock market expecting to make quick bucks. > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vijay Rajput vijayrajput13@ ... > > > > Sat, October 17, 2009 3:50:11 PM > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > Dear Prashantji,Krishnan ji and Sureshji,Namste, > > Happy Diwali to you and you family members. > > > > As Jupiter is in direct motion Bank Nifty,Reality, and infrastructures > are moving as predicted in the earlier post.Today Sun is moved in to > tula rasi and you will see some fall in the market and this may continue > for one or two trading sessions.As sun gives it's results at entry of > the sign.Further move in the Bank stocks/BankNifty is likely in the 1st > week of Nov 2009.Particapation in the market will also impove in this > week.Inester' s sentiments is going to improve in next moon as ketu will > move out of Karka rasi.Ketu in karka harmed the market sentimentaly. > > All the best > > Take Care > > Vijay > > > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > Saturday, October 3, 2009, 2:56 PM > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > The Sensex touching 17000 can not be considered as a guide for the > improvement of trading. > > > > Mars into a water sign ruled by Moon is bound to give jitters.being a > festival season,with fears of famine.due to short fall of rains are > bound to have impact on sentiments. > > > > Globallly finances in stocks has not chnaged much.mainly mutual funds > happened to be main attaractions has still not raised hopes for > investor.Realty sector yet waiting for bank incentives.Even banks too > starved for advances.Private sector except communications. chemiclas and > where Govt holds major stakes is giving hopes.Thanx to our strong > economic base that is sparing the Govt tradings. > > > > At this point of time till jupiter moves direct a cautious approach > need to be exercised. > > > > One exception:For those daily tarding is their stuff they can be > relentless as profits and losses go hand in hand.Beware speculation are > guided by one's strength of 8th house aknown malefic house. > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > wrote: > > > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > > > Saturday, October 3, 2009, 10:18 AM > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay > > > > it is a good post but will like u to apply this for a week coming Next > monday or the week after on the said principles and make ur forecast and > ideal is to do it for the entire month week wise and this will cover the > sun entry into Libra also so 2 weeks in Librta can also be studied a > practical series of 3-4 weeks is a welcome one > > > > as it is a known fact that Mkts can't be really predicted by even the > best of expeets else why will we have the crisis that engulfed the world > in this magnitude at least a indication knowing it will happen this bad > was not said leave alone the %age > > > > u can see in some groups a few members r trying to predict the same > with the Sankranti yr model or sankranti Purusha, the aditipatis for > diff sectors and not much has happened to that on the 1st occassion 2nd > one is mixed. > > > > orashant > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Vijay Rajput <vijayrajput13@ > > > > > > > > > Sat, October 3, 2009 4:14:40 PM > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > Dear Satya Ji,Namaste, > > > > Past 2-3 years I am tracking the stock market by using the basic > principle of Vedic Astrology.My guru is helping me much in this > regard.In the month of April On 9th April 2009 while answering a query I > have predicted the short term bull run in the stock market after the > transit of Jupiter. > > > > Again in the month of June I have predicted the consolidation of > market and good rise in market is likely after 15th Oct 2009. > > > > Now how to use astrology is important.The boss of speculation is > Saturn so closely watch the movement of Sat. > > > > Jupiter is dhanad it's movement and good position always indicates the > liquidity in the market and you may be knowing at present only liquidity > and speculation is driving the market.Monthly movement is to be seen by > the move ment of Sun and sun gives the results at its entry.For day to > day movement the move ment of Moon is very Important.And to track the > intra day movement,the movement of Moon in D-60 is very Important and it > can ve used for the movement of market.The navamsa position of planets > gives the sector wise movement. > > > > In the coming period Jupiter and Mars will be sitting opposite to each > other during this period you will see the sharp move in > Banking,Realityand Infrastructure sectors.Watch the Bank Nifty. > > > > You can draw the Nifty Future's chart and use the daily transit on > this chart. > > > > Even you can cast the individual chart of stocks. > > > > All the best > > > > Take care > > > > Vijay > > > > --- On Mon, 9/28/09, Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > > > Monday, September 28, 2009, 10:09 AM > > > > Hello Sathya Ji, > > > > Financial Astrology and particulalrly Stock trading is an emerging > concept.A couple of seminars have been held here there and some writers > have also contributes articles in express Star teller. > > > > After economic rforms when privatisation on large scale with PPPs ,JVs > and Venture Capital coming into existence the trade and economics was > undergoing sea change. > > > > And to upset the calculations, the war like situatins,monopoly of oil > producing contries have taken away sheen in the trade market. > > > > with huge success in Indian trade of mutual funds in India Astrologers > basing financial Institutions performance and with blue chips of Larsen > & Tubro,Tata, Relinace and Birla etc the speculation gianed lot of > importance as the risk has increased.These major industries suddenly > went behind screen with realty sector and DLF coming into picture. > > > > It is now certain,value of shares continue to hover around 5-6 major > secctors like land,Reality, Pharma,steel, cement and other constructions > industries. > > > > Apart from,Jupiter, venus,and Mercury,mars to has it's role in share > market. > > > > we hear about Bulls and bears.Bearish tency is always when visionaries > get combust mainly during amvasya days. > > > > Nodes too have role in sudden spurts in share values.The moon waxing > is an indication for once investment to give return. > > > > But short term and long term invest definetely has to be based on the > traditional view of slow moving palnets(Saturn, Jupiter and Vneus) and > short term the main trade is based on moon,mars and mercury. > > > > when mercury conjunct,combust one has to be careful in putchasing > stocks.Buying is investment and the trading has to be done on day to day > basis looking into moons brightness other wise.the timing too has to be > decided when sun is almost free from any malefic aspects. > > > > Sudden gains are always based on 8th house including horses > races,lotteries and windfalls..8th t0 8th that is 3rd also > trade,commerce and communication for disposals. > > > > 5th known to be house of intution has a major role intrading of > stcocks. 11th bhava income house and 2nd for wealth when afflicted in > natal chart one has to be very cautious in netering stcok markets. > > > > In traidng of stcoks losses are inherent,role of 12th house can never > be discounted .malefics in 12th always represent heavy losses.Benifics > may help in minimising losses.Thes fundamentals of Astrology cannever be > ignored. > > > > Commodity specifics lke ketu for pharmas,venus for building.saturn for > steel,Sun for Gold,mercury for chemicals and mars for land etc indicate > their importance. > > > > Mind dual houses represented by pisces9watery sign) gemini(airy sign) > virgo (earthy sign) and finally sagittarus(fiery sign) throw light on > the nature of commodities also.Precious metals and stomes are always > looked from 1,7and9 and buildings.2, 6 & 10,chemicals/ pahrma3,7 and > 11.Allwatery signs for cold sotages,beverages and thermal equipment etc. > > > > Some studies and guidance cane be obatained from pranavasramam. > org.Some books written on the subject have yet to gain currency.Visit to > Bhavan's university Book Store in Delhi and sagar publications may help > as titles can be seen.writer who have brought out publications both in > Hindia and English may not be established writers. > > > > Last but not the least natives have 2-3 retrograde planets require > caution in vest ments.however scripts for immediate gains can be > traded.Having good jupiter karak for wealth can take risks and like wise > venus dasa and exalted venus in pisces can go in for any type of > trading.dasa of rahu ,Sade sati,trading in limited way may be done if > moon is not debilitated or weak. > > > > EXpress Star Teller has brought out some articles written by JUB > Sastry and other whcich are of help. > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > --- On Sat, 9/26/09, sathya <rainbow_in> wrote: > > > > sathya <rainbow_in> > > > > can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > > > Cc: bursar_99 > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009, 2:55 AM > > > > hello., > > > > Can the most learned seniors & experts show some way > > > > to apply astrology on Stock market. > > > > what are the reasons and how the planetary position will take the > Stock Market up and what combination' s will make the Stock market come > down. > > > > what are the sectors which can rise and as of now till what time can > be upside bull market can sustain, > > > > Pls advice me some good books on using Astrology in Stock market, > > > > thanks > > > > sathya > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Dear Prashnat Ji, Shri Suresh Ji and Others, Being a complicated subject arising out of Economics and is to be traversed to the fate of Nations individuals,the apprehensions of Shri Suresh Ji and volatile trends of markets mentioned by shri Prashant ji are to be looked into details to know first how the sytem of stock markets work. Stock Markets and trading has to serve as an index for the Economy Growth of the Nation Concerned as well as the people involved as Entrepreneurs. These parameters need also to be viewed by mundane methods Astrologically have to be assessed to get strength of share markets The next step is to gloss the horoscopes of potential investor if we want to take up as potential research material in Astrology. This is to promote Shree Drishti as otherwise termed for Vision of Maha Lakshmi in the words of Swamy Omkara of Pranava Peetam. As a Vedic Science jyotish has been developed on the basis of 4 cardinal principles of Dharma,Ardha, Kama and Moksha What ever good and bad that we as Astrologers can conjure and develop is always a good step and in right direction in Modern Astrology. For that purpose we need also fully understand how economy in turn creates a vicious circle also. How Nation suffer from good and bad economies of the countries to include in the scope of our studies and to make out of planetary behaviour. From time to time Govts to promote trade and business pump up money into markets through financial Institutions. This money coming out of taxpayers component has to help as a seed money for growth and development. The growth process certainly is the domain of rulers and those in power and also entrepreneurs who are ready invest their own moneys for the sake of nations building.These entrepreneurs also get advantages from the rulers by way of incentives, tax benefits and subsidies. while taking these benefits greedy business men show losses in concern and also conceal their profits. Project dubious EPS and make wrong profiles of their business For undertaking research there is large potential and if jyotish are able to link to zodiacal systems of the Nations. Enterpreneurs and share holders. Together, certainly we can guide and cater to the requirements of a section of society who are Investors and who want to hold portfolio management.Mr Supraja rama of MAM and Shri Krishna Arjuna Rao gave valuable in puts.We also consider the dubious and most renowned late Harshad Mehta who siphoned off crores of money from share markets.These Issues were reviewed in Astrological Magzine of late Shri B.V.Raman and now Modern Astrological Magazines Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) --- On Sun, 10/18/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Sunday, October 18, 2009, 4:22 AM Dear Krishna ji I thinkl the black and whiote currences can be reflected in the dharmic or adharmic earning streams ina individual, organisation, nations charts isnt it and as said earlier also if a person gains there is also a person or few who do lose fromthe same script by selling isnt it it can be a gain in value to tbe buyer or fall in value to th seller that can tilt the actual gainers here. the value systems [yoga dharma] is governed by the pouplace in gen as now governances is by the masses, than the soverign authorities. we get the leaders we deserve corrupt ppl elect corrupt leaders. so the currenices are equally corrupt and trhey dictate the course of the business climate, market trends witht e fundementals quiteoften having no role if the govt is on a shaky wicket that period so is the mkkt no fundamentals of the TOP 30 companies can resuce it. and as the old adage goes if America has cold rest of the world has pnuemonia is still valied in USD pegged global ecconomy its debts its deficit, interest rate trends dictate the global piicture still so we need to study US chart like the rasi chart and any other country's chart as complimentorychart to get good direction in this the closing of US mkt will give the trends to EAST ASIAN ECCONOMIES NEXT DAY and they appear to run almost close to heels and throws its weight on Our markets as well. prashant http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 ____________ _________ _________ __ Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > Sun, October 18, 2009 12:22:46 PM Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Dear Friends Our subha muhurta chintamani that give details about Amritadi Ananda yogas and tara bala that form part of " This is a basic knowledge that Astrology in its most practical form can do. " can be taken advatage for stock market All these are general guidelines and their relevance to stock markets specifically to share market is neither required nor appropriate in any way. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) --- On Sun, 10/18/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Sunday, October 18, 2009, 2:35 AM Dear Vinay jha, //It is futile to waste one's time over argumentation over physical versus non-physical planets. Test of the pudding lies in tasting it.// perfectly said. What could be tasted should also be palatable. You have a taken a different road than others. Only furture & reality shall reveal which one is more correct and easy. An ordinary person sitting at his home trading will never be able to assess the kind of data(s) you are talking about and with your " arguments " of " physical & non-physcal planets " . This is the basic point you are missing in your logic. So let us forget about your conviction on PNP planets, if you don't mind, for the time being. Consider every one here as fools & ignorent. They have only a calender and basic Rasi & Navamsa chart with them. Can your model provide any pointers to them that they shall loose money on this particular day or they shall gain even after a few days, if they invest on those days.? This is a basic knowledge that Astrology in its most practical form can do. It is only commonsense that if any model require non-available data to work correctly, it will not make any sense or is practical. Hence, it is better to gather the available data and try to find a working model from those data. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. ____________ _________ _________ __ VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > Sun, October 18, 2009 7:23:53 AM Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market To Shenoy Ji and others : It is good to know that Shenoy Ji has some (or more) experience in Day Trading. He knows that earning 5-10% profit per day in stock trading cannot be a norm, but is only the theoretical limit. All stock experts and interested astrologers seek to find out means to realize this limit. Shenoy Ji rightly says : " I don't think it is correct to say that economics does not have a firm base in astrology " . Two years ago, I finished work on 55 years of India national income growth rate data provoded by Finance Minister's Economic Surveys, and found it to be PERFECTLY in tune with astrology. Later, I started working on stock markets. But till now, I am not able to assert that stock markets work 100% according to astrological precepts, because I lack data about horoscopes of companies and their owners. It is not a shortcoming of astrology. But 90% of all significant ups and downs in daily movement of stocks of all major companies taken as a whole works in harmony with astrology : it is a conclusion of research and not merely a passing observation. I disagree with Shenoy Ji's remark : " it is not very easy and needs huge efforts to bring out a working model. .......the work so far done has not even touched the base of this subject. " I possess the working model. But unfortunately, instead of testing this model practically, many astrologers are rejecting its n0n-physical planets. Instead of wasting time over arguments, is it not good to test a thing? But even one day's stock movement needs 25-33 horoscopes to be discussed, and my past experience with rain research shows that all my works in these fora will be unheeded. Rohiniranjan Ji was right in saying that internet is not fit for serious research : he has more experience of internet than me. Let me explain my model here. If one planet moves from one bhaava to another, a new horoscope is produced. During 6 hours of BSE workday, there are 24-25 such horoscopes. Between any two successive horoscopes, only one planet differs in its position. Hence, any up or down movement of SENSEX has to be judged from one planet at a time, and only 2nd Bhaava needs to be judged because market capitalization of all SENSEX companies is not a perfect but a good indicator of national wealth . Between any two successive horoscopes, sometimes other planets also change their their properties, such as friendiness towards and aspect on 2nd bhaava, house ownerships, relations & c. But such complexities are rare. Thus, the method is simple. Draw horoscopes for the meridians of Bombay and compare the combined movement of stock prices of topmost companies with astrological charts : one will find startling correspondences. Such correspondences will be more visible if the changes in combined index are large. 25 horoscopes will produce only 25 cusps and troughs in the curve during 10 am and 4 pm, but in reality there are many more variations, which are mostly minor and are due to horoscopes to individual companies and their owners. If 2nd bhaava is not under effective control of its lord, then impact of other planets becomes significant, and aspects of all planets on 2nd bhaava according to their friendliness or unfriendliness must be considered in detail. A few days' or a few weeks' exercize in comparing stock indices with astrological charts will make one expert in judging the QUANTITY of impact a planet makes on a given bhaava. This experience will help in other fields of astrology as well. Analysis of continuous graph of SENSEX will be useful in gaining a quantitative astrological intuition otherwise almost impossible. Comparison of two entirely different horoscopes does not help in this regard, because the differences are too many and it is often difficult to guess which factor led to the overall result. But analysis of continuous Time Series (eg, SENSEX index) provides an opportunity to analyse impacts of individual changes in horoscopes. It is the easiest way to learn practical astrology (not only stock-astrology but all astrology). Please reread this last para seriously. Here, I am discussing only Day Trading. Long term economic-astology has been discussed by me in earlier threads few months ago, explained in some Hindi articles on web. All schools of astrology have their plus points, but it is not because all of them are equally perfect. The reason is that all of them originated directly or indirectly from same archaic source which was religious, intuitive and holistic, unlike the empirical-logical mathod of moderners. It is futile to waste one's time over argumentation over physical versus non-physical planets. Test of the pudding lies in tasting it. -VJ ============ ========= ===== , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Vinay Jha & others > > Thank you very much for further inputs from yourside. > > I started on a research on the subject as I was also a very active participant in the daily stock trading and still holds DP accounts. So I have a first hand experience & knowledge of practical issues of trading for a common person. > > Unfortunately could not do much on the astrogical part due to heavy distractions, either from my own business or people comming to see me with their problems. Ultimately I was forced to set is aside the work since as you know finding answers to those in distress & helping them is more important than this activity. > > Unlike in other countries, where the market is driven by strong fundamentals, Indian market conditions varies if a politician just smiles on the tv screen. Till a few years back trading activity was based on personal contacts. But new internet technologies has made it easier to trade online due to which a lot of persons many having little knowledge of the business came into the arena. Most of the companies (Major Brokers) focused on trading volume than the participants profits and hence issues many unrealistic trading tips, which evetually ended in heavy loss to the commonor. > > This practicaly made trading in India a gamble than a prudent investment or business activity. The sad part is that the Major brokers knew what happens even when their clients are loosing money. They have far more advanced softwares than what they provide their customers. > > However, atleast some of those companies has realised the mistake and trying to regain the confidence of the small traders by providing more realistic tips and infos and focusing on the profits made by these ordinary members. > > Regarding the success rate on each day: > > In this regard I would like those who are either trading or doing research watch the movement of Moon through 2 set of signs - Upachaya & Anupachaya signs either from native moon / 2nd house / 11nth house / their lords / venus / mercury / Jupiter for starters. Signs thus involved and aspected by transiting jupiter or the above lords just might hold the key for days profits or loss in trading. > > The above concepts (which is pure traditional astrological concept) may have to watched over a few days trading and logged carefully. The results may be much helpfull in real trading than theoritical works. > > I also would request Shree Vinay Jha to refrain from starting all over again on " Physical " & His concept of astronomy, which does not help practically any body. It would make sense to produce what the common person shall understand and can use. > > regards > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > VJha vinayjhaa16@ ... > > Sat, October 17, 2009 9:33:05 PM > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market > > > To All, > > I was away for 3 months from all fora and had not read this thread till > now. Many astrologers have put in good ideas, and Shenoy Ji has done a > good job to organize the discussion properly by classifying the > sub-topics to some extent. > > Shenoy Ji writes : > <<< In practical trading daily movement of sensex is of little help > unless the movement changes sharply on the mid-day, which takes any one > by surprise and chances of loss is high.>>> > > This view is the majority view, ie, the view of those who have little or > no practical experience in real time Day Trading. Day Traders in all > stock exchanges of the world employ myriads of stochastic and other > techniques to make small profits at almost each up and down. Experienced > day traders prosper even in a recessing market, because the main > principle of Day Trading is based not on overall loss or gain of index > in a day or more, but on making profits at each small plus or minus > change by means of selling when high and buying when low. There are 25 > such chances per working day, and 15-20 of them may witness more than > 0.25% difference in stock prices. Add them, and it makes 4-5% profit per > day, even if there is no major bullish or bearish activity. If there are > major changes, profits may be much more than 5%. > > Non-astrologers do not know why there are 25 ups plus downs per 6 hours > of working day. This strange phenomenon can be explained ONLY > astrologically : there are about 25 distinct horoscopes during 6 hours > due to nearly 25 transits of planets into various bhaavas. > > Thus, there are 25 distinct charts per working day for a given place, > and each of them should be analyzed strictly according to standard rules > of phalita jyotisha. > This technique is time-consuming, but it is ACCURATE, provided both > Ganita and Phalita are based on original precepts of sages. > > This technique will give graph of ALL companies registered at a > particular stock exchange, but can be roughly used to predict behaviour > of most effective companies, as grouped under Sensex or Nifty. One can > use this technique to buy/sell shares of ALL 30 companies of Sensex > simultaneously, because individual companies may differ from the > combined graph and may cheat the investor due to different astrological > fate as ensuing from the horoscope of that company or of its chief > owners. > > For mid-term and long-term investments, this technique is of no use : > one must use national horoscopes of three types : annual chart of Mesha > Samkraanti, Nakshatra charts which work for about 14 days, and > Shashtyamsha charts which work for about 12 hours. > > Now, market capitalization of topmost 30 or 50 companies account for a > good part of national wealth in India, hence 2nd bhaava in national > horoscope can be used to predict behaviour of Sensex or Nifty. > > I have tested above ideas successfully. But if the investor's personal > fate is not good, planetary propitiation must be performed before doing > anything in this field. > > Shenoy ji puts forth a good question : " How do we find the days on which > he is likely to make profits or loss? " > > The answer depends upon the accuracy of analysis of stocks as well as of > one'e own charts. In personal charts, most influential factors are > Vimshottsri plus Varshaphala+ Maasaphala. If the praana-dahsaa of a given > planet lasts for many days, exact timing of its chief effect can be > determined from the ratio of its degrees (foorgetting the raashi) to 30 > degrees and getting the same ratio in the duration of that > praana-dashaa. Gochara helps further in exact timing of events. > > All astrologers in this thread already know the rudimentary concepts > outlined above, but the problem arises from application of PHYSICAL > astronomy which can never be cured on internet. > > -Vinay Jha > ============ === === > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Vijay Rajput & Vinay Jha, > > > > I have to thank both of you posting the info regarding work on stock > movements > > > > I aware that the research on the subject is time consuming and tedious > job. > > > > However, I think there are 2 basic issues that need to addressed. > > > > 1) daily movemnt of sensex along with sectoral indices. > > 2) Individual compatability with trading prospects in general > > 3) individuals daily rate of success or failure (profit /loss). > > > > In practical trading daily movement of sensex is of little help unless > the movement changes sharply on the mid-day, which takes any one by > surprise and chances of loss is high. > > > > How de we determine with certainity that an individual shall be > successfull in trading business? this does not involve long term > investments, but pure trading activity. > > > > Even if an individual is so compatable, he need make profit every day. > How do we find the days on which he is likely to make profits or loss? > > > > If we can find a resonable answer with atleast 60 to 70% of success > rate, it would be helpfull to many ordinary citizens who venture into > stock market expecting to make quick bucks. > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vijay Rajput vijayrajput13@ ... > > > > Sat, October 17, 2009 3:50:11 PM > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > Dear Prashantji,Krishnan ji and Sureshji,Namste, > > Happy Diwali to you and you family members. > > > > As Jupiter is in direct motion Bank Nifty,Reality, and infrastructures > are moving as predicted in the earlier post.Today Sun is moved in to > tula rasi and you will see some fall in the market and this may continue > for one or two trading sessions.As sun gives it's results at entry of > the sign.Further move in the Bank stocks/BankNifty is likely in the 1st > week of Nov 2009.Particapation in the market will also impove in this > week.Inester' s sentiments is going to improve in next moon as ketu will > move out of Karka rasi.Ketu in karka harmed the market sentimentaly. > > All the best > > Take Care > > Vijay > > > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > Saturday, October 3, 2009, 2:56 PM > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > The Sensex touching 17000 can not be considered as a guide for the > improvement of trading. > > > > Mars into a water sign ruled by Moon is bound to give jitters.being a > festival season,with fears of famine.due to short fall of rains are > bound to have impact on sentiments. > > > > Globallly finances in stocks has not chnaged much.mainly mutual funds > happened to be main attaractions has still not raised hopes for > investor.Realty sector yet waiting for bank incentives.Even banks too > starved for advances.Private sector except communications. chemiclas and > where Govt holds major stakes is giving hopes.Thanx to our strong > economic base that is sparing the Govt tradings. > > > > At this point of time till jupiter moves direct a cautious approach > need to be exercised. > > > > One exception:For those daily tarding is their stuff they can be > relentless as profits and losses go hand in hand.Beware speculation are > guided by one's strength of 8th house aknown malefic house. > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > wrote: > > > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > > > Saturday, October 3, 2009, 10:18 AM > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay > > > > it is a good post but will like u to apply this for a week coming Next > monday or the week after on the said principles and make ur forecast and > ideal is to do it for the entire month week wise and this will cover the > sun entry into Libra also so 2 weeks in Librta can also be studied a > practical series of 3-4 weeks is a welcome one > > > > as it is a known fact that Mkts can't be really predicted by even the > best of expeets else why will we have the crisis that engulfed the world > in this magnitude at least a indication knowing it will happen this bad > was not said leave alone the %age > > > > u can see in some groups a few members r trying to predict the same > with the Sankranti yr model or sankranti Purusha, the aditipatis for > diff sectors and not much has happened to that on the 1st occassion 2nd > one is mixed. > > > > orashant > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Vijay Rajput <vijayrajput13@ > > > > > > > > > Sat, October 3, 2009 4:14:40 PM > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > Dear Satya Ji,Namaste, > > > > Past 2-3 years I am tracking the stock market by using the basic > principle of Vedic Astrology.My guru is helping me much in this > regard.In the month of April On 9th April 2009 while answering a query I > have predicted the short term bull run in the stock market after the > transit of Jupiter. > > > > Again in the month of June I have predicted the consolidation of > market and good rise in market is likely after 15th Oct 2009. > > > > Now how to use astrology is important.The boss of speculation is > Saturn so closely watch the movement of Sat. > > > > Jupiter is dhanad it's movement and good position always indicates the > liquidity in the market and you may be knowing at present only liquidity > and speculation is driving the market.Monthly movement is to be seen by > the move ment of Sun and sun gives the results at its entry.For day to > day movement the move ment of Moon is very Important.And to track the > intra day movement,the movement of Moon in D-60 is very Important and it > can ve used for the movement of market.The navamsa position of planets > gives the sector wise movement. > > > > In the coming period Jupiter and Mars will be sitting opposite to each > other during this period you will see the sharp move in > Banking,Realityand Infrastructure sectors.Watch the Bank Nifty. > > > > You can draw the Nifty Future's chart and use the daily transit on > this chart. > > > > Even you can cast the individual chart of stocks. > > > > All the best > > > > Take care > > > > Vijay > > > > --- On Mon, 9/28/09, Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > > > Monday, September 28, 2009, 10:09 AM > > > > Hello Sathya Ji, > > > > Financial Astrology and particulalrly Stock trading is an emerging > concept.A couple of seminars have been held here there and some writers > have also contributes articles in express Star teller. > > > > After economic rforms when privatisation on large scale with PPPs ,JVs > and Venture Capital coming into existence the trade and economics was > undergoing sea change. > > > > And to upset the calculations, the war like situatins,monopoly of oil > producing contries have taken away sheen in the trade market. > > > > with huge success in Indian trade of mutual funds in India Astrologers > basing financial Institutions performance and with blue chips of Larsen > & Tubro,Tata, Relinace and Birla etc the speculation gianed lot of > importance as the risk has increased.These major industries suddenly > went behind screen with realty sector and DLF coming into picture. > > > > It is now certain,value of shares continue to hover around 5-6 major > secctors like land,Reality, Pharma,steel, cement and other constructions > industries. > > > > Apart from,Jupiter, venus,and Mercury,mars to has it's role in share > market. > > > > we hear about Bulls and bears.Bearish tency is always when visionaries > get combust mainly during amvasya days. > > > > Nodes too have role in sudden spurts in share values.The moon waxing > is an indication for once investment to give return. > > > > But short term and long term invest definetely has to be based on the > traditional view of slow moving palnets(Saturn, Jupiter and Vneus) and > short term the main trade is based on moon,mars and mercury. > > > > when mercury conjunct,combust one has to be careful in putchasing > stocks.Buying is investment and the trading has to be done on day to day > basis looking into moons brightness other wise.the timing too has to be > decided when sun is almost free from any malefic aspects. > > > > Sudden gains are always based on 8th house including horses > races,lotteries and windfalls..8th t0 8th that is 3rd also > trade,commerce and communication for disposals. > > > > 5th known to be house of intution has a major role intrading of > stcocks. 11th bhava income house and 2nd for wealth when afflicted in > natal chart one has to be very cautious in netering stcok markets. > > > > In traidng of stcoks losses are inherent,role of 12th house can never > be discounted .malefics in 12th always represent heavy losses.Benifics > may help in minimising losses.Thes fundamentals of Astrology cannever be > ignored. > > > > Commodity specifics lke ketu for pharmas,venus for building.saturn for > steel,Sun for Gold,mercury for chemicals and mars for land etc indicate > their importance. > > > > Mind dual houses represented by pisces9watery sign) gemini(airy sign) > virgo (earthy sign) and finally sagittarus(fiery sign) throw light on > the nature of commodities also.Precious metals and stomes are always > looked from 1,7and9 and buildings.2, 6 & 10,chemicals/ pahrma3,7 and > 11.Allwatery signs for cold sotages,beverages and thermal equipment etc. > > > > Some studies and guidance cane be obatained from pranavasramam. > org.Some books written on the subject have yet to gain currency.Visit to > Bhavan's university Book Store in Delhi and sagar publications may help > as titles can be seen.writer who have brought out publications both in > Hindia and English may not be established writers. > > > > Last but not the least natives have 2-3 retrograde planets require > caution in vest ments.however scripts for immediate gains can be > traded.Having good jupiter karak for wealth can take risks and like wise > venus dasa and exalted venus in pisces can go in for any type of > trading.dasa of rahu ,Sade sati,trading in limited way may be done if > moon is not debilitated or weak. > > > > EXpress Star Teller has brought out some articles written by JUB > Sastry and other whcich are of help. > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > --- On Sat, 9/26/09, sathya <rainbow_in> wrote: > > > > sathya <rainbow_in> > > > > can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > > > Cc: bursar_99 > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009, 2:55 AM > > > > hello., > > > > Can the most learned seniors & experts show some way > > > > to apply astrology on Stock market. > > > > what are the reasons and how the planetary position will take the > Stock Market up and what combination' s will make the Stock market come > down. > > > > what are the sectors which can rise and as of now till what time can > be upside bull market can sustain, > > > > Pls advice me some good books on using Astrology in Stock market, > > > > thanks > > > > sathya > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Dear Prashant ji & others, If you look at the economic breakdown scenario, Economics has been taught from school to postgraduation & P.Hd levels and its is those who graduated from high levels that caused the present break down. All that they taught & practiced so far resulted in failure. Can we undermine the responcibilities of these institutions to have taught worthless information & churned out equally useless MBA's & phd's? did the present example change the curiculam of these institutions. Perhaps it changed the value of such degrees without real maket exposure and many companies are vewing them with sceptism. We can go on & on talking about economics & economies and how the companies & politicians cheat the public and lament about our helplessness in the matter. But will it help in any way? My point is very simple & direct. Given that there are many dynamics that govern the stock market ranging from international to local, calamities to poli-tricks, We are living in todays world and we have to look at our options in the prespectiveness. But the assumptioms that sages would not have known about about adharmic practices or black / white / red money is nothing but unrealistic. Otherwise how could they write so much about adharma unless they had known about it? You have to know about it to have written something. All our scriptures differentiate dharma & adharma at various levels. So instead of the above it would be better if we can focus on What can Astrology provide them by way of guidence? And encourage those who are doing intensive work on the subject It is a fact that one can make enough profits from share market and it is always tempting and the kind of trading depends on the capacity to take risks depending on temperament and well as financial capacity. Those who have very weak 2nd house & 9th house should stay away from risky trading practices. So also if Venus is afflicted by Saturn. Trading is also an attribute of 7th house. So 2nd- financial strength, backing from family etc, 7th Trading, 9th-Bhagya & long term investments, 10th (main activity) , 11nth - profits or 12th losses. I am adding the contents of a mail sent personaly to a question regarding Shares & lotteries. ------------------- Share is a share in firm / company. It is not a lottery. When you purchase a share however small it is, you are becoming a partner of the company. However, it is also wealth in the form of a paper / aggreement / document and is not real money or wealth. Every related to paper /documents/aggreements etc are related to mercury, while real money is related to Jupiter. Hence, we can say that share trading is also trading of paper money, which means mercury is the significator here. There are two type of trading. One is pure trading and other is investment. But the Main Karaka for trading is Venus. while investments again is the perview of Jupiter. So all these three Jupiter (Investments), Venus (Trading) & mercury (Paper money-shares) are indicators. So pure trading in shares can be attributed to Venus & Mercury Investements is share could be attributed to Jupiter & Mercury But it is no way connected to lotteries. ---- The above also may help in some way. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ________________________________ Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar Sun, October 18, 2009 1:52:54 PM Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Dear Krishna ji I thinkl the black and whiote currences can be reflected in the dharmic or adharmic earning streams ina individual, organisation, nations charts isnt it and as said earlier also if a person gains there is also a person or few who do lose fromthe same script by selling isnt it it can be a gain in value to tbe buyer or fall in value to th seller that can tilt the actual gainers here. the value systems [yoga dharma] is governed by the pouplace in gen as now governances is by the masses, than the soverign authorities. we get the leaders we deserve corrupt ppl elect corrupt leaders. so the currenices are equally corrupt and trhey dictate the course of the business climate, market trends witht e fundementals quiteoften having no role if the govt is on a shaky wicket that period so is the mkkt no fundamentals of the TOP 30 companies can resuce it. and as the old adage goes if America has cold rest of the world has pnuemonia is still valied in USD pegged global ecconomy its debts its deficit, interest rate trends dictate the global piicture still so we need to study US chart like the rasi chart and any other country's chart as complimentorychart to get good direction in this the closing of US mkt will give the trends to EAST ASIAN ECCONOMIES NEXT DAY and they appear to run almost close to heels and throws its weight on Our markets as well. prashant http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 ____________ _________ _________ __ Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > Sun, October 18, 2009 12:22:46 PM Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Dear Friends Our subha muhurta chintamani that give details about Amritadi Ananda yogas and tara bala that form part of " This is a basic knowledge that Astrology in its most practical form can do. " can be taken advatage for stock market All these are general guidelines and their relevance to stock markets specifically to share market is neither required nor appropriate in any way. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) --- On Sun, 10/18/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Sunday, October 18, 2009, 2:35 AM Dear Vinay jha, //It is futile to waste one's time over argumentation over physical versus non-physical planets. Test of the pudding lies in tasting it.// perfectly said. What could be tasted should also be palatable. You have a taken a different road than others. Only furture & reality shall reveal which one is more correct and easy. An ordinary person sitting at his home trading will never be able to assess the kind of data(s) you are talking about and with your " arguments " of " physical & non-physcal planets " . This is the basic point you are missing in your logic. So let us forget about your conviction on PNP planets, if you don't mind, for the time being. Consider every one here as fools & ignorent. They have only a calender and basic Rasi & Navamsa chart with them. Can your model provide any pointers to them that they shall loose money on this particular day or they shall gain even after a few days, if they invest on those days.? This is a basic knowledge that Astrology in its most practical form can do. It is only commonsense that if any model require non-available data to work correctly, it will not make any sense or is practical. Hence, it is better to gather the available data and try to find a working model from those data. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. ____________ _________ _________ __ VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > Sun, October 18, 2009 7:23:53 AM Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market To Shenoy Ji and others : It is good to know that Shenoy Ji has some (or more) experience in Day Trading. He knows that earning 5-10% profit per day in stock trading cannot be a norm, but is only the theoretical limit. All stock experts and interested astrologers seek to find out means to realize this limit. Shenoy Ji rightly says : " I don't think it is correct to say that economics does not have a firm base in astrology " . Two years ago, I finished work on 55 years of India national income growth rate data provoded by Finance Minister's Economic Surveys, and found it to be PERFECTLY in tune with astrology. Later, I started working on stock markets. But till now, I am not able to assert that stock markets work 100% according to astrological precepts, because I lack data about horoscopes of companies and their owners. It is not a shortcoming of astrology. But 90% of all significant ups and downs in daily movement of stocks of all major companies taken as a whole works in harmony with astrology : it is a conclusion of research and not merely a passing observation. I disagree with Shenoy Ji's remark : " it is not very easy and needs huge efforts to bring out a working model. .......the work so far done has not even touched the base of this subject. " I possess the working model. But unfortunately, instead of testing this model practically, many astrologers are rejecting its n0n-physical planets. Instead of wasting time over arguments, is it not good to test a thing? But even one day's stock movement needs 25-33 horoscopes to be discussed, and my past experience with rain research shows that all my works in these fora will be unheeded. Rohiniranjan Ji was right in saying that internet is not fit for serious research : he has more experience of internet than me. Let me explain my model here. If one planet moves from one bhaava to another, a new horoscope is produced. During 6 hours of BSE workday, there are 24-25 such horoscopes. Between any two successive horoscopes, only one planet differs in its position. Hence, any up or down movement of SENSEX has to be judged from one planet at a time, and only 2nd Bhaava needs to be judged because market capitalization of all SENSEX companies is not a perfect but a good indicator of national wealth . Between any two successive horoscopes, sometimes other planets also change their their properties, such as friendiness towards and aspect on 2nd bhaava, house ownerships, relations & c. But such complexities are rare. Thus, the method is simple. Draw horoscopes for the meridians of Bombay and compare the combined movement of stock prices of topmost companies with astrological charts : one will find startling correspondences. Such correspondences will be more visible if the changes in combined index are large. 25 horoscopes will produce only 25 cusps and troughs in the curve during 10 am and 4 pm, but in reality there are many more variations, which are mostly minor and are due to horoscopes to individual companies and their owners. If 2nd bhaava is not under effective control of its lord, then impact of other planets becomes significant, and aspects of all planets on 2nd bhaava according to their friendliness or unfriendliness must be considered in detail. A few days' or a few weeks' exercize in comparing stock indices with astrological charts will make one expert in judging the QUANTITY of impact a planet makes on a given bhaava. This experience will help in other fields of astrology as well. Analysis of continuous graph of SENSEX will be useful in gaining a quantitative astrological intuition otherwise almost impossible. Comparison of two entirely different horoscopes does not help in this regard, because the differences are too many and it is often difficult to guess which factor led to the overall result. But analysis of continuous Time Series (eg, SENSEX index) provides an opportunity to analyse impacts of individual changes in horoscopes. It is the easiest way to learn practical astrology (not only stock-astrology but all astrology). Please reread this last para seriously. Here, I am discussing only Day Trading. Long term economic-astology has been discussed by me in earlier threads few months ago, explained in some Hindi articles on web. All schools of astrology have their plus points, but it is not because all of them are equally perfect. The reason is that all of them originated directly or indirectly from same archaic source which was religious, intuitive and holistic, unlike the empirical-logical mathod of moderners. It is futile to waste one's time over argumentation over physical versus non-physical planets. Test of the pudding lies in tasting it. -VJ ============ ========= ===== , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Vinay Jha & others > > Thank you very much for further inputs from yourside. > > I started on a research on the subject as I was also a very active participant in the daily stock trading and still holds DP accounts. So I have a first hand experience & knowledge of practical issues of trading for a common person. > > Unfortunately could not do much on the astrogical part due to heavy distractions, either from my own business or people comming to see me with their problems. Ultimately I was forced to set is aside the work since as you know finding answers to those in distress & helping them is more important than this activity. > > Unlike in other countries, where the market is driven by strong fundamentals, Indian market conditions varies if a politician just smiles on the tv screen. Till a few years back trading activity was based on personal contacts. But new internet technologies has made it easier to trade online due to which a lot of persons many having little knowledge of the business came into the arena. Most of the companies (Major Brokers) focused on trading volume than the participants profits and hence issues many unrealistic trading tips, which evetually ended in heavy loss to the commonor. > > This practicaly made trading in India a gamble than a prudent investment or business activity. The sad part is that the Major brokers knew what happens even when their clients are loosing money. They have far more advanced softwares than what they provide their customers. > > However, atleast some of those companies has realised the mistake and trying to regain the confidence of the small traders by providing more realistic tips and infos and focusing on the profits made by these ordinary members. > > Regarding the success rate on each day: > > In this regard I would like those who are either trading or doing research watch the movement of Moon through 2 set of signs - Upachaya & Anupachaya signs either from native moon / 2nd house / 11nth house / their lords / venus / mercury / Jupiter for starters. Signs thus involved and aspected by transiting jupiter or the above lords just might hold the key for days profits or loss in trading. > > The above concepts (which is pure traditional astrological concept) may have to watched over a few days trading and logged carefully. The results may be much helpfull in real trading than theoritical works. > > I also would request Shree Vinay Jha to refrain from starting all over again on " Physical " & His concept of astronomy, which does not help practically any body. It would make sense to produce what the common person shall understand and can use. > > regards > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > VJha vinayjhaa16@ ... > > Sat, October 17, 2009 9:33:05 PM > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market > > > To All, > > I was away for 3 months from all fora and had not read this thread till > now. Many astrologers have put in good ideas, and Shenoy Ji has done a > good job to organize the discussion properly by classifying the > sub-topics to some extent. > > Shenoy Ji writes : > <<< In practical trading daily movement of sensex is of little help > unless the movement changes sharply on the mid-day, which takes any one > by surprise and chances of loss is high.>>> > > This view is the majority view, ie, the view of those who have little or > no practical experience in real time Day Trading. Day Traders in all > stock exchanges of the world employ myriads of stochastic and other > techniques to make small profits at almost each up and down. Experienced > day traders prosper even in a recessing market, because the main > principle of Day Trading is based not on overall loss or gain of index > in a day or more, but on making profits at each small plus or minus > change by means of selling when high and buying when low. There are 25 > such chances per working day, and 15-20 of them may witness more than > 0.25% difference in stock prices. Add them, and it makes 4-5% profit per > day, even if there is no major bullish or bearish activity. If there are > major changes, profits may be much more than 5%. > > Non-astrologers do not know why there are 25 ups plus downs per 6 hours > of working day. This strange phenomenon can be explained ONLY > astrologically : there are about 25 distinct horoscopes during 6 hours > due to nearly 25 transits of planets into various bhaavas. > > Thus, there are 25 distinct charts per working day for a given place, > and each of them should be analyzed strictly according to standard rules > of phalita jyotisha. > This technique is time-consuming, but it is ACCURATE, provided both > Ganita and Phalita are based on original precepts of sages. > > This technique will give graph of ALL companies registered at a > particular stock exchange, but can be roughly used to predict behaviour > of most effective companies, as grouped under Sensex or Nifty. One can > use this technique to buy/sell shares of ALL 30 companies of Sensex > simultaneously, because individual companies may differ from the > combined graph and may cheat the investor due to different astrological > fate as ensuing from the horoscope of that company or of its chief > owners. > > For mid-term and long-term investments, this technique is of no use : > one must use national horoscopes of three types : annual chart of Mesha > Samkraanti, Nakshatra charts which work for about 14 days, and > Shashtyamsha charts which work for about 12 hours. > > Now, market capitalization of topmost 30 or 50 companies account for a > good part of national wealth in India, hence 2nd bhaava in national > horoscope can be used to predict behaviour of Sensex or Nifty. > > I have tested above ideas successfully. But if the investor's personal > fate is not good, planetary propitiation must be performed before doing > anything in this field. > > Shenoy ji puts forth a good question : " How do we find the days on which > he is likely to make profits or loss? " > > The answer depends upon the accuracy of analysis of stocks as well as of > one'e own charts. In personal charts, most influential factors are > Vimshottsri plus Varshaphala+ Maasaphala. If the praana-dahsaa of a given > planet lasts for many days, exact timing of its chief effect can be > determined from the ratio of its degrees (foorgetting the raashi) to 30 > degrees and getting the same ratio in the duration of that > praana-dashaa. Gochara helps further in exact timing of events. > > All astrologers in this thread already know the rudimentary concepts > outlined above, but the problem arises from application of PHYSICAL > astronomy which can never be cured on internet. > > -Vinay Jha > ============ === === > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Vijay Rajput & Vinay Jha, > > > > I have to thank both of you posting the info regarding work on stock > movements > > > > I aware that the research on the subject is time consuming and tedious > job. > > > > However, I think there are 2 basic issues that need to addressed. > > > > 1) daily movemnt of sensex along with sectoral indices. > > 2) Individual compatability with trading prospects in general > > 3) individuals daily rate of success or failure (profit /loss). > > > > In practical trading daily movement of sensex is of little help unless > the movement changes sharply on the mid-day, which takes any one by > surprise and chances of loss is high. > > > > How de we determine with certainity that an individual shall be > successfull in trading business? this does not involve long term > investments, but pure trading activity. > > > > Even if an individual is so compatable, he need make profit every day. > How do we find the days on which he is likely to make profits or loss? > > > > If we can find a resonable answer with atleast 60 to 70% of success > rate, it would be helpfull to many ordinary citizens who venture into > stock market expecting to make quick bucks. > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vijay Rajput vijayrajput13@ ... > > > > Sat, October 17, 2009 3:50:11 PM > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > Dear Prashantji,Krishnan ji and Sureshji,Namste, > > Happy Diwali to you and you family members. > > > > As Jupiter is in direct motion Bank Nifty,Reality, and infrastructures > are moving as predicted in the earlier post.Today Sun is moved in to > tula rasi and you will see some fall in the market and this may continue > for one or two trading sessions.As sun gives it's results at entry of > the sign.Further move in the Bank stocks/BankNifty is likely in the 1st > week of Nov 2009.Particapation in the market will also impove in this > week.Inester' s sentiments is going to improve in next moon as ketu will > move out of Karka rasi.Ketu in karka harmed the market sentimentaly. > > All the best > > Take Care > > Vijay > > > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > Saturday, October 3, 2009, 2:56 PM > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > The Sensex touching 17000 can not be considered as a guide for the > improvement of trading. > > > > Mars into a water sign ruled by Moon is bound to give jitters.being a > festival season,with fears of famine.due to short fall of rains are > bound to have impact on sentiments. > > > > Globallly finances in stocks has not chnaged much.mainly mutual funds > happened to be main attaractions has still not raised hopes for > investor.Realty sector yet waiting for bank incentives.Even banks too > starved for advances.Private sector except communications. chemiclas and > where Govt holds major stakes is giving hopes.Thanx to our strong > economic base that is sparing the Govt tradings. > > > > At this point of time till jupiter moves direct a cautious approach > need to be exercised. > > > > One exception:For those daily tarding is their stuff they can be > relentless as profits and losses go hand in hand.Beware speculation are > guided by one's strength of 8th house aknown malefic house. > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > wrote: > > > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > > > Saturday, October 3, 2009, 10:18 AM > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay > > > > it is a good post but will like u to apply this for a week coming Next > monday or the week after on the said principles and make ur forecast and > ideal is to do it for the entire month week wise and this will cover the > sun entry into Libra also so 2 weeks in Librta can also be studied a > practical series of 3-4 weeks is a welcome one > > > > as it is a known fact that Mkts can't be really predicted by even the > best of expeets else why will we have the crisis that engulfed the world > in this magnitude at least a indication knowing it will happen this bad > was not said leave alone the %age > > > > u can see in some groups a few members r trying to predict the same > with the Sankranti yr model or sankranti Purusha, the aditipatis for > diff sectors and not much has happened to that on the 1st occassion 2nd > one is mixed. > > > > orashant > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Vijay Rajput <vijayrajput13@ > > > > > > > > > Sat, October 3, 2009 4:14:40 PM > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > Dear Satya Ji,Namaste, > > > > Past 2-3 years I am tracking the stock market by using the basic > principle of Vedic Astrology.My guru is helping me much in this > regard.In the month of April On 9th April 2009 while answering a query I > have predicted the short term bull run in the stock market after the > transit of Jupiter. > > > > Again in the month of June I have predicted the consolidation of > market and good rise in market is likely after 15th Oct 2009. > > > > Now how to use astrology is important.The boss of speculation is > Saturn so closely watch the movement of Sat. > > > > Jupiter is dhanad it's movement and good position always indicates the > liquidity in the market and you may be knowing at present only liquidity > and speculation is driving the market.Monthly movement is to be seen by > the move ment of Sun and sun gives the results at its entry.For day to > day movement the move ment of Moon is very Important.And to track the > intra day movement,the movement of Moon in D-60 is very Important and it > can ve used for the movement of market.The navamsa position of planets > gives the sector wise movement. > > > > In the coming period Jupiter and Mars will be sitting opposite to each > other during this period you will see the sharp move in > Banking,Realityand Infrastructure sectors.Watch the Bank Nifty. > > > > You can draw the Nifty Future's chart and use the daily transit on > this chart. > > > > Even you can cast the individual chart of stocks. > > > > All the best > > > > Take care > > > > Vijay > > > > --- On Mon, 9/28/09, Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > > > Monday, September 28, 2009, 10:09 AM > > > > Hello Sathya Ji, > > > > Financial Astrology and particulalrly Stock trading is an emerging > concept.A couple of seminars have been held here there and some writers > have also contributes articles in express Star teller. > > > > After economic rforms when privatisation on large scale with PPPs ,JVs > and Venture Capital coming into existence the trade and economics was > undergoing sea change. > > > > And to upset the calculations, the war like situatins,monopoly of oil > producing contries have taken away sheen in the trade market. > > > > with huge success in Indian trade of mutual funds in India Astrologers > basing financial Institutions performance and with blue chips of Larsen > & Tubro,Tata, Relinace and Birla etc the speculation gianed lot of > importance as the risk has increased.These major industries suddenly > went behind screen with realty sector and DLF coming into picture. > > > > It is now certain,value of shares continue to hover around 5-6 major > secctors like land,Reality, Pharma,steel, cement and other constructions > industries. > > > > Apart from,Jupiter, venus,and Mercury,mars to has it's role in share > market. > > > > we hear about Bulls and bears.Bearish tency is always when visionaries > get combust mainly during amvasya days. > > > > Nodes too have role in sudden spurts in share values.The moon waxing > is an indication for once investment to give return. > > > > But short term and long term invest definetely has to be based on the > traditional view of slow moving palnets(Saturn, Jupiter and Vneus) and > short term the main trade is based on moon,mars and mercury. > > > > when mercury conjunct,combust one has to be careful in putchasing > stocks.Buying is investment and the trading has to be done on day to day > basis looking into moons brightness other wise.the timing too has to be > decided when sun is almost free from any malefic aspects. > > > > Sudden gains are always based on 8th house including horses > races,lotteries and windfalls..8th t0 8th that is 3rd also > trade,commerce and communication for disposals. > > > > 5th known to be house of intution has a major role intrading of > stcocks. 11th bhava income house and 2nd for wealth when afflicted in > natal chart one has to be very cautious in netering stcok markets. > > > > In traidng of stcoks losses are inherent,role of 12th house can never > be discounted .malefics in 12th always represent heavy losses.Benifics > may help in minimising losses.Thes fundamentals of Astrology cannever be > ignored. > > > > Commodity specifics lke ketu for pharmas,venus for building.saturn for > steel,Sun for Gold,mercury for chemicals and mars for land etc indicate > their importance. > > > > Mind dual houses represented by pisces9watery sign) gemini(airy sign) > virgo (earthy sign) and finally sagittarus(fiery sign) throw light on > the nature of commodities also.Precious metals and stomes are always > looked from 1,7and9 and buildings.2, 6 & 10,chemicals/ pahrma3,7 and > 11.Allwatery signs for cold sotages,beverages and thermal equipment etc. > > > > Some studies and guidance cane be obatained from pranavasramam. > org.Some books written on the subject have yet to gain currency.Visit to > Bhavan's university Book Store in Delhi and sagar publications may help > as titles can be seen.writer who have brought out publications both in > Hindia and English may not be established writers. > > > > Last but not the least natives have 2-3 retrograde planets require > caution in vest ments.however scripts for immediate gains can be > traded.Having good jupiter karak for wealth can take risks and like wise > venus dasa and exalted venus in pisces can go in for any type of > trading.dasa of rahu ,Sade sati,trading in limited way may be done if > moon is not debilitated or weak. > > > > EXpress Star Teller has brought out some articles written by JUB > Sastry and other whcich are of help. > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > --- On Sat, 9/26/09, sathya <rainbow_in> wrote: > > > > sathya <rainbow_in> > > > > can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > > > Cc: bursar_99 > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009, 2:55 AM > > > > hello., > > > > Can the most learned seniors & experts show some way > > > > to apply astrology on Stock market. > > > > what are the reasons and how the planetary position will take the > Stock Market up and what combination' s will make the Stock market come > down. > > > > what are the sectors which can rise and as of now till what time can > be upside bull market can sustain, > > > > Pls advice me some good books on using Astrology in Stock market, > > > > thanks > > > > sathya > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Dear Krishna ji, suresh ji, vinay ji, as we see it is well establised dharmaic pointers fordifferent yuga dharm,a the Swarga Parva of Mahabharatha has given a fairly broad picture so to Kalgynana by and Yogi Vemanna has also given a lot of pointers to our societys value systems. this apart from giving us a BASLELINE TO STUDY THE MARKET FORCES AND SUBJECTS INVOLVED this can be with any sphere medicine, givernance, agriculture baseline is our value system+the field/s. here the market has been extending itself into many more areas intra-day, futures trading. futures has again gone into many more areas FOOD PRODUCE, METALS, ENERGY, and these have changed the shape of our ecconomies where surplus is there and food or enrrgy is stacked in future markets and present ppl r paying a lot more for what they NEED TODAY. the oil price hike last yr from 40to 174 USD a barrel is best example HOW the world was badly affected by it now we can see pulses market being sucked in it. ppl stocke piled food grains and some of them have lost all of them in the recent floods in AP, KARNATAKAM Maaharashtra etc. nature will find its level anytime harshad mehata was part of system he is not a bad as made out to be, he used the system to make money and is well within the rules or lrgitimacy unlik katen parekh and co who were arrested decade later who were operating fo4 2 decades prior to HM what did HM do? he converted USD of rs 32/- to rs 258 viai soviet rubble USD. soviets who arm twisted India and its allies it a pegged currency at its whims than mkt forces looted our ecconomy in the aid they gave us. this helped the rulers of both countries only HM played within this and also became rich seeing him the bankrupt banks gave him funds to manipulate mkt to cover their losses and he did well, till someone in the system exposed as a snag not knowing that the top to govt ppl r involved in it and ppl who used him did not stand by him in his tough times. and joined another player and still conntinue to do so each time a scam is exposed they dump their men and escape. THE IRAQ WAR saw over 23 trillion USD missing how? THE AID MONEY WAS MISUSED IT IS WAID and the top IS INVOLVED HTERE AS WELL SO TO OTHER COMOPANIES IN THAT REGIME. LET THE WORLD DOWN we cant say what they learnt is all wrong what they followed due to wrong data with no counter checks in it is wring. and surely the mkt players like us small investors have to go by the rules as given by all of us in these threads. I hope it helps ppl at large this picture is needed to know what makes the mkt tick the way it does. all the masala too] G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. /database?method=reportRows & tbl=6 ________________________________ Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 Sun, October 18, 2009 3:19:49 PM Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Dear Prashnat Ji, Shri Suresh Ji and Others, Being a complicated subject arising out of Economics and is to be traversed to the fate of Nations individuals, the apprehensions of Shri Suresh Ji and volatile trends of markets mentioned by shri Prashant ji are to be looked into details to know first how the sytem of stock markets work. Stock Markets and trading has to serve as an index for the Economy Growth of the Nation Concerned as well as the people involved as Entrepreneurs. These parameters need also to be viewed by mundane methods Astrologically have to be assessed to get strength of share markets The next step is to gloss the horoscopes of potential investor if we want to take up as potential research material in Astrology. This is to promote Shree Drishti as otherwise termed for Vision of Maha Lakshmi in the words of Swamy Omkara of Pranava Peetam. As a Vedic Science jyotish has been developed on the basis of 4 cardinal principles of Dharma,Ardha, Kama and Moksha What ever good and bad that we as Astrologers can conjure and develop is always a good step and in right direction in Modern Astrology. For that purpose we need also fully understand how economy in turn creates a vicious circle also. How Nation suffer from good and bad economies of the countries to include in the scope of our studies and to make out of planetary behaviour. From time to time Govts to promote trade and business pump up money into markets through financial Institutions. This money coming out of taxpayers component has to help as a seed money for growth and development. The growth process certainly is the domain of rulers and those in power and also entrepreneurs who are ready invest their own moneys for the sake of nations building.These entrepreneurs also get advantages from the rulers by way of incentives, tax benefits and subsidies. while taking these benefits greedy business men show losses in concern and also conceal their profits. Project dubious EPS and make wrong profiles of their business For undertaking research there is large potential and if jyotish are able to link to zodiacal systems of the Nations. Enterpreneurs and share holders. Together, certainly we can guide and cater to the requirements of a section of society who are Investors and who want to hold portfolio management.Mr Supraja rama of MAM and Shri Krishna Arjuna Rao gave valuable in puts.We also consider the dubious and most renowned late Harshad Mehta who siphoned off crores of money from share markets.These Issues were reviewed in Astrological Magzine of late Shri B.V.Raman and now Modern Astrological Magazines Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) --- On Sun, 10/18/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote: Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Sunday, October 18, 2009, 4:22 AM Dear Krishna ji I thinkl the black and whiote currences can be reflected in the dharmic or adharmic earning streams ina individual, organisation, nations charts isnt it and as said earlier also if a person gains there is also a person or few who do lose fromthe same script by selling isnt it it can be a gain in value to tbe buyer or fall in value to th seller that can tilt the actual gainers here. the value systems [yoga dharma] is governed by the pouplace in gen as now governances is by the masses, than the soverign authorities. we get the leaders we deserve corrupt ppl elect corrupt leaders. so the currenices are equally corrupt and trhey dictate the course of the business climate, market trends witht e fundementals quiteoften having no role if the govt is on a shaky wicket that period so is the mkkt no fundamentals of the TOP 30 companies can resuce it. and as the old adage goes if America has cold rest of the world has pnuemonia is still valied in USD pegged global ecconomy its debts its deficit, interest rate trends dictate the global piicture still so we need to study US chart like the rasi chart and any other country's chart as complimentorychart to get good direction in this the closing of US mkt will give the trends to EAST ASIAN ECCONOMIES NEXT DAY and they appear to run almost close to heels and throws its weight on Our markets as well. prashant http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 ____________ _________ _________ __ Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > Sun, October 18, 2009 12:22:46 PM Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Dear Friends Our subha muhurta chintamani that give details about Amritadi Ananda yogas and tara bala that form part of " This is a basic knowledge that Astrology in its most practical form can do. " can be taken advatage for stock market All these are general guidelines and their relevance to stock markets specifically to share market is neither required nor appropriate in any way. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) --- On Sun, 10/18/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Sunday, October 18, 2009, 2:35 AM Dear Vinay jha, //It is futile to waste one's time over argumentation over physical versus non-physical planets. Test of the pudding lies in tasting it.// perfectly said. What could be tasted should also be palatable. You have a taken a different road than others. Only furture & reality shall reveal which one is more correct and easy. An ordinary person sitting at his home trading will never be able to assess the kind of data(s) you are talking about and with your " arguments " of " physical & non-physcal planets " . This is the basic point you are missing in your logic. So let us forget about your conviction on PNP planets, if you don't mind, for the time being. Consider every one here as fools & ignorent. They have only a calender and basic Rasi & Navamsa chart with them. Can your model provide any pointers to them that they shall loose money on this particular day or they shall gain even after a few days, if they invest on those days.? This is a basic knowledge that Astrology in its most practical form can do. It is only commonsense that if any model require non-available data to work correctly, it will not make any sense or is practical. Hence, it is better to gather the available data and try to find a working model from those data. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. ____________ _________ _________ __ VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > Sun, October 18, 2009 7:23:53 AM Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market To Shenoy Ji and others : It is good to know that Shenoy Ji has some (or more) experience in Day Trading. He knows that earning 5-10% profit per day in stock trading cannot be a norm, but is only the theoretical limit. All stock experts and interested astrologers seek to find out means to realize this limit. Shenoy Ji rightly says : " I don't think it is correct to say that economics does not have a firm base in astrology " . Two years ago, I finished work on 55 years of India national income growth rate data provoded by Finance Minister's Economic Surveys, and found it to be PERFECTLY in tune with astrology. Later, I started working on stock markets. But till now, I am not able to assert that stock markets work 100% according to astrological precepts, because I lack data about horoscopes of companies and their owners. It is not a shortcoming of astrology. But 90% of all significant ups and downs in daily movement of stocks of all major companies taken as a whole works in harmony with astrology : it is a conclusion of research and not merely a passing observation. I disagree with Shenoy Ji's remark : " it is not very easy and needs huge efforts to bring out a working model. .......the work so far done has not even touched the base of this subject. " I possess the working model. But unfortunately, instead of testing this model practically, many astrologers are rejecting its n0n-physical planets. Instead of wasting time over arguments, is it not good to test a thing? But even one day's stock movement needs 25-33 horoscopes to be discussed, and my past experience with rain research shows that all my works in these fora will be unheeded. Rohiniranjan Ji was right in saying that internet is not fit for serious research : he has more experience of internet than me. Let me explain my model here. If one planet moves from one bhaava to another, a new horoscope is produced. During 6 hours of BSE workday, there are 24-25 such horoscopes. Between any two successive horoscopes, only one planet differs in its position. Hence, any up or down movement of SENSEX has to be judged from one planet at a time, and only 2nd Bhaava needs to be judged because market capitalization of all SENSEX companies is not a perfect but a good indicator of national wealth . Between any two successive horoscopes, sometimes other planets also change their their properties, such as friendiness towards and aspect on 2nd bhaava, house ownerships, relations & c. But such complexities are rare. Thus, the method is simple. Draw horoscopes for the meridians of Bombay and compare the combined movement of stock prices of topmost companies with astrological charts : one will find startling correspondences. Such correspondences will be more visible if the changes in combined index are large. 25 horoscopes will produce only 25 cusps and troughs in the curve during 10 am and 4 pm, but in reality there are many more variations, which are mostly minor and are due to horoscopes to individual companies and their owners. If 2nd bhaava is not under effective control of its lord, then impact of other planets becomes significant, and aspects of all planets on 2nd bhaava according to their friendliness or unfriendliness must be considered in detail. A few days' or a few weeks' exercize in comparing stock indices with astrological charts will make one expert in judging the QUANTITY of impact a planet makes on a given bhaava. This experience will help in other fields of astrology as well. Analysis of continuous graph of SENSEX will be useful in gaining a quantitative astrological intuition otherwise almost impossible. Comparison of two entirely different horoscopes does not help in this regard, because the differences are too many and it is often difficult to guess which factor led to the overall result. But analysis of continuous Time Series (eg, SENSEX index) provides an opportunity to analyse impacts of individual changes in horoscopes. It is the easiest way to learn practical astrology (not only stock-astrology but all astrology). Please reread this last para seriously. Here, I am discussing only Day Trading. Long term economic-astology has been discussed by me in earlier threads few months ago, explained in some Hindi articles on web. All schools of astrology have their plus points, but it is not because all of them are equally perfect. The reason is that all of them originated directly or indirectly from same archaic source which was religious, intuitive and holistic, unlike the empirical-logical mathod of moderners. It is futile to waste one's time over argumentation over physical versus non-physical planets. Test of the pudding lies in tasting it. -VJ ============ ========= ===== , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Vinay Jha & others > > Thank you very much for further inputs from yourside. > > I started on a research on the subject as I was also a very active participant in the daily stock trading and still holds DP accounts. So I have a first hand experience & knowledge of practical issues of trading for a common person. > > Unfortunately could not do much on the astrogical part due to heavy distractions, either from my own business or people comming to see me with their problems. Ultimately I was forced to set is aside the work since as you know finding answers to those in distress & helping them is more important than this activity. > > Unlike in other countries, where the market is driven by strong fundamentals, Indian market conditions varies if a politician just smiles on the tv screen. Till a few years back trading activity was based on personal contacts. But new internet technologies has made it easier to trade online due to which a lot of persons many having little knowledge of the business came into the arena. Most of the companies (Major Brokers) focused on trading volume than the participants profits and hence issues many unrealistic trading tips, which evetually ended in heavy loss to the commonor. > > This practicaly made trading in India a gamble than a prudent investment or business activity. The sad part is that the Major brokers knew what happens even when their clients are loosing money. They have far more advanced softwares than what they provide their customers. > > However, atleast some of those companies has realised the mistake and trying to regain the confidence of the small traders by providing more realistic tips and infos and focusing on the profits made by these ordinary members. > > Regarding the success rate on each day: > > In this regard I would like those who are either trading or doing research watch the movement of Moon through 2 set of signs - Upachaya & Anupachaya signs either from native moon / 2nd house / 11nth house / their lords / venus / mercury / Jupiter for starters. Signs thus involved and aspected by transiting jupiter or the above lords just might hold the key for days profits or loss in trading. > > The above concepts (which is pure traditional astrological concept) may have to watched over a few days trading and logged carefully. The results may be much helpfull in real trading than theoritical works. > > I also would request Shree Vinay Jha to refrain from starting all over again on " Physical " & His concept of astronomy, which does not help practically any body. It would make sense to produce what the common person shall understand and can use. > > regards > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > VJha vinayjhaa16@ ... > > Sat, October 17, 2009 9:33:05 PM > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market > > > To All, > > I was away for 3 months from all fora and had not read this thread till > now. Many astrologers have put in good ideas, and Shenoy Ji has done a > good job to organize the discussion properly by classifying the > sub-topics to some extent. > > Shenoy Ji writes : > <<< In practical trading daily movement of sensex is of little help > unless the movement changes sharply on the mid-day, which takes any one > by surprise and chances of loss is high.>>> > > This view is the majority view, ie, the view of those who have little or > no practical experience in real time Day Trading. Day Traders in all > stock exchanges of the world employ myriads of stochastic and other > techniques to make small profits at almost each up and down. Experienced > day traders prosper even in a recessing market, because the main > principle of Day Trading is based not on overall loss or gain of index > in a day or more, but on making profits at each small plus or minus > change by means of selling when high and buying when low. There are 25 > such chances per working day, and 15-20 of them may witness more than > 0.25% difference in stock prices. Add them, and it makes 4-5% profit per > day, even if there is no major bullish or bearish activity. If there are > major changes, profits may be much more than 5%. > > Non-astrologers do not know why there are 25 ups plus downs per 6 hours > of working day. This strange phenomenon can be explained ONLY > astrologically : there are about 25 distinct horoscopes during 6 hours > due to nearly 25 transits of planets into various bhaavas. > > Thus, there are 25 distinct charts per working day for a given place, > and each of them should be analyzed strictly according to standard rules > of phalita jyotisha. > This technique is time-consuming, but it is ACCURATE, provided both > Ganita and Phalita are based on original precepts of sages. > > This technique will give graph of ALL companies registered at a > particular stock exchange, but can be roughly used to predict behaviour > of most effective companies, as grouped under Sensex or Nifty. One can > use this technique to buy/sell shares of ALL 30 companies of Sensex > simultaneously, because individual companies may differ from the > combined graph and may cheat the investor due to different astrological > fate as ensuing from the horoscope of that company or of its chief > owners. > > For mid-term and long-term investments, this technique is of no use : > one must use national horoscopes of three types : annual chart of Mesha > Samkraanti, Nakshatra charts which work for about 14 days, and > Shashtyamsha charts which work for about 12 hours. > > Now, market capitalization of topmost 30 or 50 companies account for a > good part of national wealth in India, hence 2nd bhaava in national > horoscope can be used to predict behaviour of Sensex or Nifty. > > I have tested above ideas successfully. But if the investor's personal > fate is not good, planetary propitiation must be performed before doing > anything in this field. > > Shenoy ji puts forth a good question : " How do we find the days on which > he is likely to make profits or loss? " > > The answer depends upon the accuracy of analysis of stocks as well as of > one'e own charts. In personal charts, most influential factors are > Vimshottsri plus Varshaphala+ Maasaphala. If the praana-dahsaa of a given > planet lasts for many days, exact timing of its chief effect can be > determined from the ratio of its degrees (foorgetting the raashi) to 30 > degrees and getting the same ratio in the duration of that > praana-dashaa. Gochara helps further in exact timing of events. > > All astrologers in this thread already know the rudimentary concepts > outlined above, but the problem arises from application of PHYSICAL > astronomy which can never be cured on internet. > > -Vinay Jha > ============ === === > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Vijay Rajput & Vinay Jha, > > > > I have to thank both of you posting the info regarding work on stock > movements > > > > I aware that the research on the subject is time consuming and tedious > job. > > > > However, I think there are 2 basic issues that need to addressed. > > > > 1) daily movemnt of sensex along with sectoral indices. > > 2) Individual compatability with trading prospects in general > > 3) individuals daily rate of success or failure (profit /loss). > > > > In practical trading daily movement of sensex is of little help unless > the movement changes sharply on the mid-day, which takes any one by > surprise and chances of loss is high. > > > > How de we determine with certainity that an individual shall be > successfull in trading business? this does not involve long term > investments, but pure trading activity. > > > > Even if an individual is so compatable, he need make profit every day. > How do we find the days on which he is likely to make profits or loss? > > > > If we can find a resonable answer with atleast 60 to 70% of success > rate, it would be helpfull to many ordinary citizens who venture into > stock market expecting to make quick bucks. > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vijay Rajput vijayrajput13@ ... > > > > Sat, October 17, 2009 3:50:11 PM > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > Dear Prashantji,Krishnan ji and Sureshji,Namste, > > Happy Diwali to you and you family members. > > > > As Jupiter is in direct motion Bank Nifty,Reality, and infrastructures > are moving as predicted in the earlier post.Today Sun is moved in to > tula rasi and you will see some fall in the market and this may continue > for one or two trading sessions.As sun gives it's results at entry of > the sign.Further move in the Bank stocks/BankNifty is likely in the 1st > week of Nov 2009.Particapation in the market will also impove in this > week.Inester' s sentiments is going to improve in next moon as ketu will > move out of Karka rasi.Ketu in karka harmed the market sentimentaly. > > All the best > > Take Care > > Vijay > > > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > Saturday, October 3, 2009, 2:56 PM > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > The Sensex touching 17000 can not be considered as a guide for the > improvement of trading. > > > > Mars into a water sign ruled by Moon is bound to give jitters.being a > festival season,with fears of famine.due to short fall of rains are > bound to have impact on sentiments. > > > > Globallly finances in stocks has not chnaged much.mainly mutual funds > happened to be main attaractions has still not raised hopes for > investor.Realty sector yet waiting for bank incentives.Even banks too > starved for advances.Private sector except communications. chemiclas and > where Govt holds major stakes is giving hopes.Thanx to our strong > economic base that is sparing the Govt tradings. > > > > At this point of time till jupiter moves direct a cautious approach > need to be exercised. > > > > One exception:For those daily tarding is their stuff they can be > relentless as profits and losses go hand in hand.Beware speculation are > guided by one's strength of 8th house aknown malefic house. > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > wrote: > > > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > > > Saturday, October 3, 2009, 10:18 AM > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay > > > > it is a good post but will like u to apply this for a week coming Next > monday or the week after on the said principles and make ur forecast and > ideal is to do it for the entire month week wise and this will cover the > sun entry into Libra also so 2 weeks in Librta can also be studied a > practical series of 3-4 weeks is a welcome one > > > > as it is a known fact that Mkts can't be really predicted by even the > best of expeets else why will we have the crisis that engulfed the world > in this magnitude at least a indication knowing it will happen this bad > was not said leave alone the %age > > > > u can see in some groups a few members r trying to predict the same > with the Sankranti yr model or sankranti Purusha, the aditipatis for > diff sectors and not much has happened to that on the 1st occassion 2nd > one is mixed. > > > > orashant > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Vijay Rajput <vijayrajput13@ > > > > > > > > > Sat, October 3, 2009 4:14:40 PM > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > Dear Satya Ji,Namaste, > > > > Past 2-3 years I am tracking the stock market by using the basic > principle of Vedic Astrology.My guru is helping me much in this > regard.In the month of April On 9th April 2009 while answering a query I > have predicted the short term bull run in the stock market after the > transit of Jupiter. > > > > Again in the month of June I have predicted the consolidation of > market and good rise in market is likely after 15th Oct 2009. > > > > Now how to use astrology is important.The boss of speculation is > Saturn so closely watch the movement of Sat. > > > > Jupiter is dhanad it's movement and good position always indicates the > liquidity in the market and you may be knowing at present only liquidity > and speculation is driving the market.Monthly movement is to be seen by > the move ment of Sun and sun gives the results at its entry.For day to > day movement the move ment of Moon is very Important.And to track the > intra day movement,the movement of Moon in D-60 is very Important and it > can ve used for the movement of market.The navamsa position of planets > gives the sector wise movement. > > > > In the coming period Jupiter and Mars will be sitting opposite to each > other during this period you will see the sharp move in > Banking,Realityand Infrastructure sectors.Watch the Bank Nifty. > > > > You can draw the Nifty Future's chart and use the daily transit on > this chart. > > > > Even you can cast the individual chart of stocks. > > > > All the best > > > > Take care > > > > Vijay > > > > --- On Mon, 9/28/09, Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > > > Monday, September 28, 2009, 10:09 AM > > > > Hello Sathya Ji, > > > > Financial Astrology and particulalrly Stock trading is an emerging > concept.A couple of seminars have been held here there and some writers > have also contributes articles in express Star teller. > > > > After economic rforms when privatisation on large scale with PPPs ,JVs > and Venture Capital coming into existence the trade and economics was > undergoing sea change. > > > > And to upset the calculations, the war like situatins,monopoly of oil > producing contries have taken away sheen in the trade market. > > > > with huge success in Indian trade of mutual funds in India Astrologers > basing financial Institutions performance and with blue chips of Larsen > & Tubro,Tata, Relinace and Birla etc the speculation gianed lot of > importance as the risk has increased.These major industries suddenly > went behind screen with realty sector and DLF coming into picture. > > > > It is now certain,value of shares continue to hover around 5-6 major > secctors like land,Reality, Pharma,steel, cement and other constructions > industries. > > > > Apart from,Jupiter, venus,and Mercury,mars to has it's role in share > market. > > > > we hear about Bulls and bears.Bearish tency is always when visionaries > get combust mainly during amvasya days. > > > > Nodes too have role in sudden spurts in share values.The moon waxing > is an indication for once investment to give return. > > > > But short term and long term invest definetely has to be based on the > traditional view of slow moving palnets(Saturn, Jupiter and Vneus) and > short term the main trade is based on moon,mars and mercury. > > > > when mercury conjunct,combust one has to be careful in putchasing > stocks.Buying is investment and the trading has to be done on day to day > basis looking into moons brightness other wise.the timing too has to be > decided when sun is almost free from any malefic aspects. > > > > Sudden gains are always based on 8th house including horses > races,lotteries and windfalls..8th t0 8th that is 3rd also > trade,commerce and communication for disposals. > > > > 5th known to be house of intution has a major role intrading of > stcocks. 11th bhava income house and 2nd for wealth when afflicted in > natal chart one has to be very cautious in netering stcok markets. > > > > In traidng of stcoks losses are inherent,role of 12th house can never > be discounted .malefics in 12th always represent heavy losses.Benifics > may help in minimising losses.Thes fundamentals of Astrology cannever be > ignored. > > > > Commodity specifics lke ketu for pharmas,venus for building.saturn for > steel,Sun for Gold,mercury for chemicals and mars for land etc indicate > their importance. > > > > Mind dual houses represented by pisces9watery sign) gemini(airy sign) > virgo (earthy sign) and finally sagittarus(fiery sign) throw light on > the nature of commodities also.Precious metals and stomes are always > looked from 1,7and9 and buildings.2, 6 & 10,chemicals/ pahrma3,7 and > 11.Allwatery signs for cold sotages,beverages and thermal equipment etc. > > > > Some studies and guidance cane be obatained from pranavasramam. > org.Some books written on the subject have yet to gain currency.Visit to > Bhavan's university Book Store in Delhi and sagar publications may help > as titles can be seen.writer who have brought out publications both in > Hindia and English may not be established writers. > > > > Last but not the least natives have 2-3 retrograde planets require > caution in vest ments.however scripts for immediate gains can be > traded.Having good jupiter karak for wealth can take risks and like wise > venus dasa and exalted venus in pisces can go in for any type of > trading.dasa of rahu ,Sade sati,trading in limited way may be done if > moon is not debilitated or weak. > > > > EXpress Star Teller has brought out some articles written by JUB > Sastry and other whcich are of help. > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > --- On Sat, 9/26/09, sathya <rainbow_in> wrote: > > > > sathya <rainbow_in> > > > > can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > > > Cc: bursar_99 > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009, 2:55 AM > > > > hello., > > > > Can the most learned seniors & experts show some way > > > > to apply astrology on Stock market. > > > > what are the reasons and how the planetary position will take the > Stock Market up and what combination' s will make the Stock market come > down. > > > > what are the sectors which can rise and as of now till what time can > be upside bull market can sustain, > > > > Pls advice me some good books on using Astrology in Stock market, > > > > thanks > > > > sathya > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Dear Gentlemen, Interesting topic.Lot many things have been stored which could be seen if we really move on unravelling ancient records. For first instance, take out any companies DOR and feed it correctly with the cusp-bhava analysis as narrated in KP and again feed it into transit-natal planetary influence carefully, then you are getting astro-trend of ready sharevalue of that particular commodity. You all agree, what we generally lack within us the adequate deep-going attitude in perceiving ancient vision and blame the sacred rishis, what ever they have found out only due to their meditation power, these so-called modern techies will take another thousands of years to unravell. To Mr. Suresh Babu: I doubt if any where is mentioned jupitar is for real money? Plsease verify the records and kindly confirm me in which text it is mentioned. Reg. Dharma-adharma topic, as narrated by Mr. Prashant and countered by Suresh Babu,I would like to say that this is not today, this is perhaps since the creation of universe, and that is perhaps, the play of almighty with his greedy,conservative amd most loving human creature. If you go back to any yugas, you will find there is huge gap of material instinct and spiritual instinct of human being and to make down the apex material instinct individual , God himself has to take step with giving birth to an apex spiritual instinct individual and through Him, He make the balance of spiritual and material instinct and then make the peace to be flown down to the earth. So, this is a cycle and this is not our burden and this is the creator's burden. What we do, is that, to carry out our assignment with most sacred desire. With best wishes, P K Tripathy. ________________________________ Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag Sun, October 18, 2009 3:33:58 PM Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Dear Prashant ji & others, If you look at the economic breakdown scenario, Economics has been taught from school to postgraduation & P.Hd levels and its is those who graduated from high levels that caused the present break down. All that they taught & practiced so far resulted in failure. Can we undermine the responcibilities of these institutions to have taught worthless information & churned out equally useless MBA's & phd's? did the present example change the curiculam of these institutions. Perhaps it changed the value of such degrees without real maket exposure and many companies are vewing them with sceptism. We can go on & on talking about economics & economies and how the companies & politicians cheat the public and lament about our helplessness in the matter. But will it help in any way? My point is very simple & direct. Given that there are many dynamics that govern the stock market ranging from international to local, calamities to poli-tricks, We are living in todays world and we have to look at our options in the prespectiveness. But the assumptioms that sages would not have known about about adharmic practices or black / white / red money is nothing but unrealistic. Otherwise how could they write so much about adharma unless they had known about it? You have to know about it to have written something. All our scriptures differentiate dharma & adharma at various levels. So instead of the above it would be better if we can focus on What can Astrology provide them by way of guidence? And encourage those who are doing intensive work on the subject It is a fact that one can make enough profits from share market and it is always tempting and the kind of trading depends on the capacity to take risks depending on temperament and well as financial capacity. Those who have very weak 2nd house & 9th house should stay away from risky trading practices. So also if Venus is afflicted by Saturn. Trading is also an attribute of 7th house. So 2nd- financial strength, backing from family etc, 7th Trading, 9th-Bhagya & long term investments, 10th (main activity) , 11nth - profits or 12th losses. I am adding the contents of a mail sent personaly to a question regarding Shares & lotteries. ------------ ------- Share is a share in firm / company. It is not a lottery. When you purchase a share however small it is, you are becoming a partner of the company. However, it is also wealth in the form of a paper / aggreement / document and is not real money or wealth. Every related to paper /documents/aggreeme nts etc are related to mercury, while real money is related to Jupiter. Hence, we can say that share trading is also trading of paper money, which means mercury is the significator here. There are two type of trading. One is pure trading and other is investment. But the Main Karaka for trading is Venus. while investments again is the perview of Jupiter. So all these three Jupiter (Investments) , Venus (Trading) & mercury (Paper money-shares) are indicators. So pure trading in shares can be attributed to Venus & Mercury Investements is share could be attributed to Jupiter & Mercury But it is no way connected to lotteries. ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - The above also may help in some way. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > Sun, October 18, 2009 1:52:54 PM Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Dear Krishna ji I thinkl the black and whiote currences can be reflected in the dharmic or adharmic earning streams ina individual, organisation, nations charts isnt it and as said earlier also if a person gains there is also a person or few who do lose fromthe same script by selling isnt it it can be a gain in value to tbe buyer or fall in value to th seller that can tilt the actual gainers here. the value systems [yoga dharma] is governed by the pouplace in gen as now governances is by the masses, than the soverign authorities. we get the leaders we deserve corrupt ppl elect corrupt leaders. so the currenices are equally corrupt and trhey dictate the course of the business climate, market trends witht e fundementals quiteoften having no role if the govt is on a shaky wicket that period so is the mkkt no fundamentals of the TOP 30 companies can resuce it. and as the old adage goes if America has cold rest of the world has pnuemonia is still valied in USD pegged global ecconomy its debts its deficit, interest rate trends dictate the global piicture still so we need to study US chart like the rasi chart and any other country's chart as complimentorychart to get good direction in this the closing of US mkt will give the trends to EAST ASIAN ECCONOMIES NEXT DAY and they appear to run almost close to heels and throws its weight on Our markets as well. prashant http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 ____________ _________ _________ __ Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > Sun, October 18, 2009 12:22:46 PM Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Dear Friends Our subha muhurta chintamani that give details about Amritadi Ananda yogas and tara bala that form part of " This is a basic knowledge that Astrology in its most practical form can do. " can be taken advatage for stock market All these are general guidelines and their relevance to stock markets specifically to share market is neither required nor appropriate in any way. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) --- On Sun, 10/18/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Sunday, October 18, 2009, 2:35 AM Dear Vinay jha, //It is futile to waste one's time over argumentation over physical versus non-physical planets. Test of the pudding lies in tasting it..// perfectly said. What could be tasted should also be palatable. You have a taken a different road than others. Only furture & reality shall reveal which one is more correct and easy. An ordinary person sitting at his home trading will never be able to assess the kind of data(s) you are talking about and with your " arguments " of " physical & non-physcal planets " . This is the basic point you are missing in your logic. So let us forget about your conviction on PNP planets, if you don't mind, for the time being. Consider every one here as fools & ignorent. They have only a calender and basic Rasi & Navamsa chart with them. Can your model provide any pointers to them that they shall loose money on this particular day or they shall gain even after a few days, if they invest on those days..? This is a basic knowledge that Astrology in its most practical form can do. It is only commonsense that if any model require non-available data to work correctly, it will not make any sense or is practical. Hence, it is better to gather the available data and try to find a working model from those data. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. ____________ _________ _________ __ VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > Sun, October 18, 2009 7:23:53 AM Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market To Shenoy Ji and others : It is good to know that Shenoy Ji has some (or more) experience in Day Trading. He knows that earning 5-10% profit per day in stock trading cannot be a norm, but is only the theoretical limit. All stock experts and interested astrologers seek to find out means to realize this limit. Shenoy Ji rightly says : " I don't think it is correct to say that economics does not have a firm base in astrology " . Two years ago, I finished work on 55 years of India national income growth rate data provoded by Finance Minister's Economic Surveys, and found it to be PERFECTLY in tune with astrology. Later, I started working on stock markets. But till now, I am not able to assert that stock markets work 100% according to astrological precepts, because I lack data about horoscopes of companies and their owners. It is not a shortcoming of astrology. But 90% of all significant ups and downs in daily movement of stocks of all major companies taken as a whole works in harmony with astrology : it is a conclusion of research and not merely a passing observation. I disagree with Shenoy Ji's remark : " it is not very easy and needs huge efforts to bring out a working model. .......the work so far done has not even touched the base of this subject. " I possess the working model. But unfortunately, instead of testing this model practically, many astrologers are rejecting its n0n-physical planets. Instead of wasting time over arguments, is it not good to test a thing? But even one day's stock movement needs 25-33 horoscopes to be discussed, and my past experience with rain research shows that all my works in these fora will be unheeded. Rohiniranjan Ji was right in saying that internet is not fit for serious research : he has more experience of internet than me. Let me explain my model here. If one planet moves from one bhaava to another, a new horoscope is produced. During 6 hours of BSE workday, there are 24-25 such horoscopes. Between any two successive horoscopes, only one planet differs in its position. Hence, any up or down movement of SENSEX has to be judged from one planet at a time, and only 2nd Bhaava needs to be judged because market capitalization of all SENSEX companies is not a perfect but a good indicator of national wealth . Between any two successive horoscopes, sometimes other planets also change their their properties, such as friendiness towards and aspect on 2nd bhaava, house ownerships, relations & c. But such complexities are rare. Thus, the method is simple. Draw horoscopes for the meridians of Bombay and compare the combined movement of stock prices of topmost companies with astrological charts : one will find startling correspondences. Such correspondences will be more visible if the changes in combined index are large. 25 horoscopes will produce only 25 cusps and troughs in the curve during 10 am and 4 pm, but in reality there are many more variations, which are mostly minor and are due to horoscopes to individual companies and their owners. If 2nd bhaava is not under effective control of its lord, then impact of other planets becomes significant, and aspects of all planets on 2nd bhaava according to their friendliness or unfriendliness must be considered in detail. A few days' or a few weeks' exercize in comparing stock indices with astrological charts will make one expert in judging the QUANTITY of impact a planet makes on a given bhaava. This experience will help in other fields of astrology as well. Analysis of continuous graph of SENSEX will be useful in gaining a quantitative astrological intuition otherwise almost impossible. Comparison of two entirely different horoscopes does not help in this regard, because the differences are too many and it is often difficult to guess which factor led to the overall result. But analysis of continuous Time Series (eg, SENSEX index) provides an opportunity to analyse impacts of individual changes in horoscopes. It is the easiest way to learn practical astrology (not only stock-astrology but all astrology). Please reread this last para seriously. Here, I am discussing only Day Trading. Long term economic-astology has been discussed by me in earlier threads few months ago, explained in some Hindi articles on web. All schools of astrology have their plus points, but it is not because all of them are equally perfect. The reason is that all of them originated directly or indirectly from same archaic source which was religious, intuitive and holistic, unlike the empirical-logical mathod of moderners. It is futile to waste one's time over argumentation over physical versus non-physical planets. Test of the pudding lies in tasting it. -VJ ============ ========= ===== , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Vinay Jha & others > > Thank you very much for further inputs from yourside. > > I started on a research on the subject as I was also a very active participant in the daily stock trading and still holds DP accounts. So I have a first hand experience & knowledge of practical issues of trading for a common person. > > Unfortunately could not do much on the astrogical part due to heavy distractions, either from my own business or people comming to see me with their problems. Ultimately I was forced to set is aside the work since as you know finding answers to those in distress & helping them is more important than this activity. > > Unlike in other countries, where the market is driven by strong fundamentals, Indian market conditions varies if a politician just smiles on the tv screen.. Till a few years back trading activity was based on personal contacts. But new internet technologies has made it easier to trade online due to which a lot of persons many having little knowledge of the business came into the arena. Most of the companies (Major Brokers) focused on trading volume than the participants profits and hence issues many unrealistic trading tips, which evetually ended in heavy loss to the commonor. > > This practicaly made trading in India a gamble than a prudent investment or business activity. The sad part is that the Major brokers knew what happens even when their clients are loosing money. They have far more advanced softwares than what they provide their customers. > > However, atleast some of those companies has realised the mistake and trying to regain the confidence of the small traders by providing more realistic tips and infos and focusing on the profits made by these ordinary members. > > Regarding the success rate on each day: > > In this regard I would like those who are either trading or doing research watch the movement of Moon through 2 set of signs - Upachaya & Anupachaya signs either from native moon / 2nd house / 11nth house / their lords / venus / mercury / Jupiter for starters. Signs thus involved and aspected by transiting jupiter or the above lords just might hold the key for days profits or loss in trading. > > The above concepts (which is pure traditional astrological concept) may have to watched over a few days trading and logged carefully. The results may be much helpfull in real trading than theoritical works. > > I also would request Shree Vinay Jha to refrain from starting all over again on " Physical " & His concept of astronomy, which does not help practically any body. It would make sense to produce what the common person shall understand and can use. > > regards > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > VJha vinayjhaa16@ ... > > Sat, October 17, 2009 9:33:05 PM > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market > > > To All, > > I was away for 3 months from all fora and had not read this thread till > now. Many astrologers have put in good ideas, and Shenoy Ji has done a > good job to organize the discussion properly by classifying the > sub-topics to some extent. > > Shenoy Ji writes : > <<< In practical trading daily movement of sensex is of little help > unless the movement changes sharply on the mid-day, which takes any one > by surprise and chances of loss is high.>>> > > This view is the majority view, ie, the view of those who have little or > no practical experience in real time Day Trading. Day Traders in all > stock exchanges of the world employ myriads of stochastic and other > techniques to make small profits at almost each up and down. Experienced > day traders prosper even in a recessing market, because the main > principle of Day Trading is based not on overall loss or gain of index > in a day or more, but on making profits at each small plus or minus > change by means of selling when high and buying when low. There are 25 > such chances per working day, and 15-20 of them may witness more than > 0.25% difference in stock prices. Add them, and it makes 4-5% profit per > day, even if there is no major bullish or bearish activity. If there are > major changes, profits may be much more than 5%. > > Non-astrologers do not know why there are 25 ups plus downs per 6 hours > of working day. This strange phenomenon can be explained ONLY > astrologically : there are about 25 distinct horoscopes during 6 hours > due to nearly 25 transits of planets into various bhaavas. > > Thus, there are 25 distinct charts per working day for a given place, > and each of them should be analyzed strictly according to standard rules > of phalita jyotisha. > This technique is time-consuming, but it is ACCURATE, provided both > Ganita and Phalita are based on original precepts of sages. > > This technique will give graph of ALL companies registered at a > particular stock exchange, but can be roughly used to predict behaviour > of most effective companies, as grouped under Sensex or Nifty. One can > use this technique to buy/sell shares of ALL 30 companies of Sensex > simultaneously, because individual companies may differ from the > combined graph and may cheat the investor due to different astrological > fate as ensuing from the horoscope of that company or of its chief > owners. > > For mid-term and long-term investments, this technique is of no use : > one must use national horoscopes of three types : annual chart of Mesha > Samkraanti, Nakshatra charts which work for about 14 days, and > Shashtyamsha charts which work for about 12 hours. > > Now, market capitalization of topmost 30 or 50 companies account for a > good part of national wealth in India, hence 2nd bhaava in national > horoscope can be used to predict behaviour of Sensex or Nifty. > > I have tested above ideas successfully. But if the investor's personal > fate is not good, planetary propitiation must be performed before doing > anything in this field. > > Shenoy ji puts forth a good question : " How do we find the days on which > he is likely to make profits or loss? " > > The answer depends upon the accuracy of analysis of stocks as well as of > one'e own charts. In personal charts, most influential factors are > Vimshottsri plus Varshaphala+ Maasaphala. If the praana-dahsaa of a given > planet lasts for many days, exact timing of its chief effect can be > determined from the ratio of its degrees (foorgetting the raashi) to 30 > degrees and getting the same ratio in the duration of that > praana-dashaa.. Gochara helps further in exact timing of events. > > All astrologers in this thread already know the rudimentary concepts > outlined above, but the problem arises from application of PHYSICAL > astronomy which can never be cured on internet. > > -Vinay Jha > ============ === === > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Vijay Rajput & Vinay Jha, > > > > I have to thank both of you posting the info regarding work on stock > movements > > > > I aware that the research on the subject is time consuming and tedious > job. > > > > However, I think there are 2 basic issues that need to addressed. > > > > 1) daily movemnt of sensex along with sectoral indices. > > 2) Individual compatability with trading prospects in general > > 3) individuals daily rate of success or failure (profit /loss). > > > > In practical trading daily movement of sensex is of little help unless > the movement changes sharply on the mid-day, which takes any one by > surprise and chances of loss is high. > > > > How de we determine with certainity that an individual shall be > successfull in trading business? this does not involve long term > investments, but pure trading activity. > > > > Even if an individual is so compatable, he need make profit every day. > How do we find the days on which he is likely to make profits or loss? > > > > If we can find a resonable answer with atleast 60 to 70% of success > rate, it would be helpfull to many ordinary citizens who venture into > stock market expecting to make quick bucks. > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vijay Rajput vijayrajput13@ ... > > > > Sat, October 17, 2009 3:50:11 PM > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > Dear Prashantji,Krishnan ji and Sureshji,Namste, > > Happy Diwali to you and you family members. > > > > As Jupiter is in direct motion Bank Nifty,Reality, and infrastructures > are moving as predicted in the earlier post.Today Sun is moved in to > tula rasi and you will see some fall in the market and this may continue > for one or two trading sessions.As sun gives it's results at entry of > the sign.Further move in the Bank stocks/BankNifty is likely in the 1st > week of Nov 2009.Particapation in the market will also impove in this > week.Inester' s sentiments is going to improve in next moon as ketu will > move out of Karka rasi..Ketu in karka harmed the market sentimentaly. > > All the best > > Take Care > > Vijay > > > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > Saturday, October 3, 2009, 2:56 PM > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > The Sensex touching 17000 can not be considered as a guide for the > improvement of trading.. > > > > Mars into a water sign ruled by Moon is bound to give jitters..being a > festival season,with fears of famine.due to short fall of rains are > bound to have impact on sentiments. > > > > Globallly finances in stocks has not chnaged much.mainly mutual funds > happened to be main attaractions has still not raised hopes for > investor.Realty sector yet waiting for bank incentives.Even banks too > starved for advances.Private sector except communications. chemiclas and > where Govt holds major stakes is giving hopes.Thanx to our strong > economic base that is sparing the Govt tradings. > > > > At this point of time till jupiter moves direct a cautious approach > need to be exercised. > > > > One exception:For those daily tarding is their stuff they can be > relentless as profits and losses go hand in hand.Beware speculation are > guided by one's strength of 8th house aknown malefic house. > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > wrote: > > > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > > > Saturday, October 3, 2009, 10:18 AM > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay > > > > it is a good post but will like u to apply this for a week coming Next > monday or the week after on the said principles and make ur forecast and > ideal is to do it for the entire month week wise and this will cover the > sun entry into Libra also so 2 weeks in Librta can also be studied a > practical series of 3-4 weeks is a welcome one > > > > as it is a known fact that Mkts can't be really predicted by even the > best of expeets else why will we have the crisis that engulfed the world > in this magnitude at least a indication knowing it will happen this bad > was not said leave alone the %age > > > > u can see in some groups a few members r trying to predict the same > with the Sankranti yr model or sankranti Purusha, the aditipatis for > diff sectors and not much has happened to that on the 1st occassion 2nd > one is mixed. > > > > orashant > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Vijay Rajput <vijayrajput13@ > > > > > > > > > Sat, October 3, 2009 4:14:40 PM > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > Dear Satya Ji,Namaste, > > > > Past 2-3 years I am tracking the stock market by using the basic > principle of Vedic Astrology.My guru is helping me much in this > regard.In the month of April On 9th April 2009 while answering a query I > have predicted the short term bull run in the stock market after the > transit of Jupiter. > > > > Again in the month of June I have predicted the consolidation of > market and good rise in market is likely after 15th Oct 2009. > > > > Now how to use astrology is important.The boss of speculation is > Saturn so closely watch the movement of Sat. > > > > Jupiter is dhanad it's movement and good position always indicates the > liquidity in the market and you may be knowing at present only liquidity > and speculation is driving the market.Monthly movement is to be seen by > the move ment of Sun and sun gives the results at its entry.For day to > day movement the move ment of Moon is very Important.And to track the > intra day movement,the movement of Moon in D-60 is very Important and it > can ve used for the movement of market.The navamsa position of planets > gives the sector wise movement. > > > > In the coming period Jupiter and Mars will be sitting opposite to each > other during this period you will see the sharp move in > Banking,Realityand Infrastructure sectors.Watch the Bank Nifty. > > > > You can draw the Nifty Future's chart and use the daily transit on > this chart. > > > > Even you can cast the individual chart of stocks. > > > > All the best > > > > Take care > > > > Vijay > > > > --- On Mon, 9/28/09, Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > @ .. com > > > > Monday, September 28, 2009, 10:09 AM > > > > Hello Sathya Ji, > > > > Financial Astrology and particulalrly Stock trading is an emerging > concept.A couple of seminars have been held here there and some writers > have also contributes articles in express Star teller. > > > > After economic rforms when privatisation on large scale with PPPs ,JVs > and Venture Capital coming into existence the trade and economics was > undergoing sea change. > > > > And to upset the calculations, the war like situatins,monopoly of oil > producing contries have taken away sheen in the trade market. > > > > with huge success in Indian trade of mutual funds in India Astrologers > basing financial Institutions performance and with blue chips of Larsen > & Tubro,Tata, Relinace and Birla etc the speculation gianed lot of > importance as the risk has increased.These major industries suddenly > went behind screen with realty sector and DLF coming into picture. > > > > It is now certain,value of shares continue to hover around 5-6 major > secctors like land,Reality, Pharma,steel, cement and other constructions > industries. > > > > Apart from,Jupiter, venus,and Mercury,mars to has it's role in share > market. > > > > we hear about Bulls and bears.Bearish tency is always when visionaries > get combust mainly during amvasya days. > > > > Nodes too have role in sudden spurts in share values.The moon waxing > is an indication for once investment to give return. > > > > But short term and long term invest definetely has to be based on the > traditional view of slow moving palnets(Saturn, Jupiter and Vneus) and > short term the main trade is based on moon,mars and mercury. > > > > when mercury conjunct,combust one has to be careful in putchasing > stocks.Buying is investment and the trading has to be done on day to day > basis looking into moons brightness other wise.the timing too has to be > decided when sun is almost free from any malefic aspects. > > > > Sudden gains are always based on 8th house including horses > races,lotteries and windfalls..8th t0 8th that is 3rd also > trade,commerce and communication for disposals. > > > > 5th known to be house of intution has a major role intrading of > stcocks. 11th bhava income house and 2nd for wealth when afflicted in > natal chart one has to be very cautious in netering stcok markets. > > > > In traidng of stcoks losses are inherent,role of 12th house can never > be discounted .malefics in 12th always represent heavy losses.Benifics > may help in minimising losses.Thes fundamentals of Astrology cannever be > ignored. > > > > Commodity specifics lke ketu for pharmas,venus for building.saturn for > steel,Sun for Gold,mercury for chemicals and mars for land etc indicate > their importance. > > > > Mind dual houses represented by pisces9watery sign) gemini(airy sign) > virgo (earthy sign) and finally sagittarus(fiery sign) throw light on > the nature of commodities also.Precious metals and stomes are always > looked from 1,7and9 and buildings.2, 6 & 10,chemicals/ pahrma3,7 and > 11.Allwatery signs for cold sotages,beverages and thermal equipment etc. > > > > Some studies and guidance cane be obatained from pranavasramam.. > org.Some books written on the subject have yet to gain currency.Visit to > Bhavan's university Book Store in Delhi and sagar publications may help > as titles can be seen.writer who have brought out publications both in > Hindia and English may not be established writers. > > > > Last but not the least natives have 2-3 retrograde planets require > caution in vest ments.however scripts for immediate gains can be > traded.Having good jupiter karak for wealth can take risks and like wise > venus dasa and exalted venus in pisces can go in for any type of > trading.dasa of rahu ,Sade sati,trading in limited way may be done if > moon is not debilitated or weak. > > > > EXpress Star Teller has brought out some articles written by JUB > Sastry and other whcich are of help. > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > --- On Sat, 9/26/09, sathya <rainbow_in> wrote: > > > > sathya <rainbow_in> > > > > can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > > > Cc: bursar_99 > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009, 2:55 AM > > > > hello., > > > > Can the most learned seniors & experts show some way > > > > to apply astrology on Stock market. > > > > what are the reasons and how the planetary position will take the > Stock Market up and what combination' s will make the Stock market come > down. > > > > what are the sectors which can rise and as of now till what time can > be upside bull market can sustain, > > > > Pls advice me some good books on using Astrology in Stock market, > > > > thanks > > > > sathya > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Dear Shri Tripathy Ji, Nice that we recognise the need of Value in our system and also of the view that one who balance the adharma and dharma as well as spirtual instinct as against material instinct. we also now come to recognise how forces in society bring into the copetetiveness by way of trading to give values to our investment. As persons well versed in Astrology and also trying to make out our own interpretation of the classics enunciated possibly we might go wrong.with the passage of time,certainly jyotish needs a relook in assimilating classicals as per the need of the hour.In the Internet age,every thing we wish in push button mode.Also the highest order of Intelligence and wisdom given to the Homo sapiens in toto can take up any task and unravel with the aid of technology.Yet the question remains how far the socity gets benifit out of such exercise. Today the gigantic every one of us is race against the time and the availability of resources be it natural or man made.what ever logistics put in place do not really help an ordinary and common man.His needs are very limited and he awaits for his wishes to be fulfilled.Astrology as a tool needs redesigning and reinvention. Today trading is a self employment and people are willing to take for small brokerages and commissions.Investors want value for their monies after paying govt dues by way of taxes to contribute to the nations development. Companiesin the course of their working opt for mergers,acquisitions and joint ventures are making things more dynamic.These dynamics have to be kept in mind and the role of share holder is never taken into confidence. As an Investor i consult professional in jyotish who knows several things and also venture setting aside risks.Hoping Venus,Jupiter and Mercury by way of some yoga will lend their support.It is nice if the sensex takes note and improves the share value and otherwise,the hope sinks and Investor gets shock.It is trading that makes tricks in today's scripts. Money is Money as Shri Suresh ji has mentioned in one of his mails whether it is currency in red/white/black.The most desirable liquid asset as known in commercial paralance is hunted ,treasured and invested.The value of such liquid asset is determined in wall street or by sensex.There are red caps vigilant to put tabs on trading but found to be helpless once huge monies were lost and siphoned off to invest else where.we no doubt appreciate human intelligence whther done by a DOn or by Mr Parekh..But the loosers of valuble possessions are deprived of their daily bread.we now need to work out a mechanism in an understandable way in jyotish to provide guidance on shre markets.this is a quest and so the brains have to join together and promote the nascent ideas. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) --- On Sun, 10/18/09, Pk Tripathy <pktripathy89 wrote: Pk Tripathy <pktripathy89 Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Cc: pktripathy89 Sunday, October 18, 2009, 9:41 AM Dear Gentlemen, Interesting topic.Lot many things have been stored which could be seen if we really move on unravelling ancient records. For first instance, take out any companies DOR and feed it correctly with the cusp-bhava analysis as narrated in KP and again feed it into transit-natal planetary influence carefully, then you are getting astro-trend of ready sharevalue of that particular commodity. You all agree, what we generally lack within us the adequate deep-going attitude in perceiving ancient vision and blame the sacred rishis, what ever they have found out only due to their meditation power, these so-called modern techies will take another thousands of years to unravell. To Mr. Suresh Babu: I doubt if any where is mentioned jupitar is for real money? Plsease verify the records and kindly confirm me in which text it is mentioned. Reg. Dharma-adharma topic, as narrated by Mr. Prashant and countered by Suresh Babu,I would like to say that this is not today, this is perhaps since the creation of universe, and that is perhaps, the play of almighty with his greedy,conservative amd most loving human creature. If you go back to any yugas, you will find there is huge gap of material instinct and spiritual instinct of human being and to make down the apex material instinct individual , God himself has to take step with giving birth to an apex spiritual instinct individual and through Him, He make the balance of spiritual and material instinct and then make the peace to be flown down to the earth. So, this is a cycle and this is not our burden and this is the creator's burden. What we do, is that, to carry out our assignment with most sacred desire. With best wishes, P K Tripathy. ____________ _________ _________ __ Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > @ . .com Sun, October 18, 2009 3:33:58 PM Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Dear Prashant ji & others, If you look at the economic breakdown scenario, Economics has been taught from school to postgraduation & P.Hd levels and its is those who graduated from high levels that caused the present break down. All that they taught & practiced so far resulted in failure. Can we undermine the responcibilities of these institutions to have taught worthless information & churned out equally useless MBA's & phd's? did the present example change the curiculam of these institutions. Perhaps it changed the value of such degrees without real maket exposure and many companies are vewing them with sceptism. We can go on & on talking about economics & economies and how the companies & politicians cheat the public and lament about our helplessness in the matter. But will it help in any way? My point is very simple & direct. Given that there are many dynamics that govern the stock market ranging from international to local, calamities to poli-tricks, We are living in todays world and we have to look at our options in the prespectiveness. But the assumptioms that sages would not have known about about adharmic practices or black / white / red money is nothing but unrealistic. Otherwise how could they write so much about adharma unless they had known about it? You have to know about it to have written something. All our scriptures differentiate dharma & adharma at various levels. So instead of the above it would be better if we can focus on What can Astrology provide them by way of guidence? And encourage those who are doing intensive work on the subject It is a fact that one can make enough profits from share market and it is always tempting and the kind of trading depends on the capacity to take risks depending on temperament and well as financial capacity. Those who have very weak 2nd house & 9th house should stay away from risky trading practices. So also if Venus is afflicted by Saturn. Trading is also an attribute of 7th house. So 2nd- financial strength, backing from family etc, 7th Trading, 9th-Bhagya & long term investments, 10th (main activity) , 11nth - profits or 12th losses. I am adding the contents of a mail sent personaly to a question regarding Shares & lotteries. ------------ ------- Share is a share in firm / company. It is not a lottery. When you purchase a share however small it is, you are becoming a partner of the company. However, it is also wealth in the form of a paper / aggreement / document and is not real money or wealth. Every related to paper /documents/aggreeme nts etc are related to mercury, while real money is related to Jupiter. Hence, we can say that share trading is also trading of paper money, which means mercury is the significator here. There are two type of trading. One is pure trading and other is investment. But the Main Karaka for trading is Venus. while investments again is the perview of Jupiter. So all these three Jupiter (Investments) , Venus (Trading) & mercury (Paper money-shares) are indicators. So pure trading in shares can be attributed to Venus & Mercury Investements is share could be attributed to Jupiter & Mercury But it is no way connected to lotteries. ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - The above also may help in some way. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > Sun, October 18, 2009 1:52:54 PM Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Dear Krishna ji I thinkl the black and whiote currences can be reflected in the dharmic or adharmic earning streams ina individual, organisation, nations charts isnt it and as said earlier also if a person gains there is also a person or few who do lose fromthe same script by selling isnt it it can be a gain in value to tbe buyer or fall in value to th seller that can tilt the actual gainers here. the value systems [yoga dharma] is governed by the pouplace in gen as now governances is by the masses, than the soverign authorities. we get the leaders we deserve corrupt ppl elect corrupt leaders. so the currenices are equally corrupt and trhey dictate the course of the business climate, market trends witht e fundementals quiteoften having no role if the govt is on a shaky wicket that period so is the mkkt no fundamentals of the TOP 30 companies can resuce it. and as the old adage goes if America has cold rest of the world has pnuemonia is still valied in USD pegged global ecconomy its debts its deficit, interest rate trends dictate the global piicture still so we need to study US chart like the rasi chart and any other country's chart as complimentorychart to get good direction in this the closing of US mkt will give the trends to EAST ASIAN ECCONOMIES NEXT DAY and they appear to run almost close to heels and throws its weight on Our markets as well. prashant http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 ____________ _________ _________ __ Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > Sun, October 18, 2009 12:22:46 PM Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Dear Friends Our subha muhurta chintamani that give details about Amritadi Ananda yogas and tara bala that form part of " This is a basic knowledge that Astrology in its most practical form can do. " can be taken advatage for stock market All these are general guidelines and their relevance to stock markets specifically to share market is neither required nor appropriate in any way. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) --- On Sun, 10/18/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Sunday, October 18, 2009, 2:35 AM Dear Vinay jha, //It is futile to waste one's time over argumentation over physical versus non-physical planets. Test of the pudding lies in tasting it..// perfectly said. What could be tasted should also be palatable. You have a taken a different road than others. Only furture & reality shall reveal which one is more correct and easy. An ordinary person sitting at his home trading will never be able to assess the kind of data(s) you are talking about and with your " arguments " of " physical & non-physcal planets " . This is the basic point you are missing in your logic. So let us forget about your conviction on PNP planets, if you don't mind, for the time being. Consider every one here as fools & ignorent. They have only a calender and basic Rasi & Navamsa chart with them. Can your model provide any pointers to them that they shall loose money on this particular day or they shall gain even after a few days, if they invest on those days..? This is a basic knowledge that Astrology in its most practical form can do. It is only commonsense that if any model require non-available data to work correctly, it will not make any sense or is practical. Hence, it is better to gather the available data and try to find a working model from those data. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. ____________ _________ _________ __ VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > Sun, October 18, 2009 7:23:53 AM Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market To Shenoy Ji and others : It is good to know that Shenoy Ji has some (or more) experience in Day Trading. He knows that earning 5-10% profit per day in stock trading cannot be a norm, but is only the theoretical limit. All stock experts and interested astrologers seek to find out means to realize this limit. Shenoy Ji rightly says : " I don't think it is correct to say that economics does not have a firm base in astrology " . Two years ago, I finished work on 55 years of India national income growth rate data provoded by Finance Minister's Economic Surveys, and found it to be PERFECTLY in tune with astrology. Later, I started working on stock markets. But till now, I am not able to assert that stock markets work 100% according to astrological precepts, because I lack data about horoscopes of companies and their owners. It is not a shortcoming of astrology. But 90% of all significant ups and downs in daily movement of stocks of all major companies taken as a whole works in harmony with astrology : it is a conclusion of research and not merely a passing observation. I disagree with Shenoy Ji's remark : " it is not very easy and needs huge efforts to bring out a working model. .......the work so far done has not even touched the base of this subject. " I possess the working model. But unfortunately, instead of testing this model practically, many astrologers are rejecting its n0n-physical planets. Instead of wasting time over arguments, is it not good to test a thing? But even one day's stock movement needs 25-33 horoscopes to be discussed, and my past experience with rain research shows that all my works in these fora will be unheeded. Rohiniranjan Ji was right in saying that internet is not fit for serious research : he has more experience of internet than me. Let me explain my model here. If one planet moves from one bhaava to another, a new horoscope is produced. During 6 hours of BSE workday, there are 24-25 such horoscopes. Between any two successive horoscopes, only one planet differs in its position. Hence, any up or down movement of SENSEX has to be judged from one planet at a time, and only 2nd Bhaava needs to be judged because market capitalization of all SENSEX companies is not a perfect but a good indicator of national wealth . Between any two successive horoscopes, sometimes other planets also change their their properties, such as friendiness towards and aspect on 2nd bhaava, house ownerships, relations & c. But such complexities are rare. Thus, the method is simple. Draw horoscopes for the meridians of Bombay and compare the combined movement of stock prices of topmost companies with astrological charts : one will find startling correspondences. Such correspondences will be more visible if the changes in combined index are large. 25 horoscopes will produce only 25 cusps and troughs in the curve during 10 am and 4 pm, but in reality there are many more variations, which are mostly minor and are due to horoscopes to individual companies and their owners. If 2nd bhaava is not under effective control of its lord, then impact of other planets becomes significant, and aspects of all planets on 2nd bhaava according to their friendliness or unfriendliness must be considered in detail. A few days' or a few weeks' exercize in comparing stock indices with astrological charts will make one expert in judging the QUANTITY of impact a planet makes on a given bhaava. This experience will help in other fields of astrology as well. Analysis of continuous graph of SENSEX will be useful in gaining a quantitative astrological intuition otherwise almost impossible. Comparison of two entirely different horoscopes does not help in this regard, because the differences are too many and it is often difficult to guess which factor led to the overall result. But analysis of continuous Time Series (eg, SENSEX index) provides an opportunity to analyse impacts of individual changes in horoscopes. It is the easiest way to learn practical astrology (not only stock-astrology but all astrology). Please reread this last para seriously. Here, I am discussing only Day Trading. Long term economic-astology has been discussed by me in earlier threads few months ago, explained in some Hindi articles on web. All schools of astrology have their plus points, but it is not because all of them are equally perfect. The reason is that all of them originated directly or indirectly from same archaic source which was religious, intuitive and holistic, unlike the empirical-logical mathod of moderners. It is futile to waste one's time over argumentation over physical versus non-physical planets. Test of the pudding lies in tasting it. -VJ ============ ========= ===== , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Vinay Jha & others > > Thank you very much for further inputs from yourside. > > I started on a research on the subject as I was also a very active participant in the daily stock trading and still holds DP accounts. So I have a first hand experience & knowledge of practical issues of trading for a common person. > > Unfortunately could not do much on the astrogical part due to heavy distractions, either from my own business or people comming to see me with their problems. Ultimately I was forced to set is aside the work since as you know finding answers to those in distress & helping them is more important than this activity. > > Unlike in other countries, where the market is driven by strong fundamentals, Indian market conditions varies if a politician just smiles on the tv screen.. Till a few years back trading activity was based on personal contacts. But new internet technologies has made it easier to trade online due to which a lot of persons many having little knowledge of the business came into the arena. Most of the companies (Major Brokers) focused on trading volume than the participants profits and hence issues many unrealistic trading tips, which evetually ended in heavy loss to the commonor. > > This practicaly made trading in India a gamble than a prudent investment or business activity. The sad part is that the Major brokers knew what happens even when their clients are loosing money. They have far more advanced softwares than what they provide their customers. > > However, atleast some of those companies has realised the mistake and trying to regain the confidence of the small traders by providing more realistic tips and infos and focusing on the profits made by these ordinary members. > > Regarding the success rate on each day: > > In this regard I would like those who are either trading or doing research watch the movement of Moon through 2 set of signs - Upachaya & Anupachaya signs either from native moon / 2nd house / 11nth house / their lords / venus / mercury / Jupiter for starters. Signs thus involved and aspected by transiting jupiter or the above lords just might hold the key for days profits or loss in trading. > > The above concepts (which is pure traditional astrological concept) may have to watched over a few days trading and logged carefully. The results may be much helpfull in real trading than theoritical works. > > I also would request Shree Vinay Jha to refrain from starting all over again on " Physical " & His concept of astronomy, which does not help practically any body. It would make sense to produce what the common person shall understand and can use. > > regards > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > VJha vinayjhaa16@ ... > > Sat, October 17, 2009 9:33:05 PM > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market > > > To All, > > I was away for 3 months from all fora and had not read this thread till > now. Many astrologers have put in good ideas, and Shenoy Ji has done a > good job to organize the discussion properly by classifying the > sub-topics to some extent. > > Shenoy Ji writes : > <<< In practical trading daily movement of sensex is of little help > unless the movement changes sharply on the mid-day, which takes any one > by surprise and chances of loss is high.>>> > > This view is the majority view, ie, the view of those who have little or > no practical experience in real time Day Trading. Day Traders in all > stock exchanges of the world employ myriads of stochastic and other > techniques to make small profits at almost each up and down. Experienced > day traders prosper even in a recessing market, because the main > principle of Day Trading is based not on overall loss or gain of index > in a day or more, but on making profits at each small plus or minus > change by means of selling when high and buying when low. There are 25 > such chances per working day, and 15-20 of them may witness more than > 0.25% difference in stock prices. Add them, and it makes 4-5% profit per > day, even if there is no major bullish or bearish activity. If there are > major changes, profits may be much more than 5%. > > Non-astrologers do not know why there are 25 ups plus downs per 6 hours > of working day. This strange phenomenon can be explained ONLY > astrologically : there are about 25 distinct horoscopes during 6 hours > due to nearly 25 transits of planets into various bhaavas. > > Thus, there are 25 distinct charts per working day for a given place, > and each of them should be analyzed strictly according to standard rules > of phalita jyotisha. > This technique is time-consuming, but it is ACCURATE, provided both > Ganita and Phalita are based on original precepts of sages. > > This technique will give graph of ALL companies registered at a > particular stock exchange, but can be roughly used to predict behaviour > of most effective companies, as grouped under Sensex or Nifty. One can > use this technique to buy/sell shares of ALL 30 companies of Sensex > simultaneously, because individual companies may differ from the > combined graph and may cheat the investor due to different astrological > fate as ensuing from the horoscope of that company or of its chief > owners. > > For mid-term and long-term investments, this technique is of no use : > one must use national horoscopes of three types : annual chart of Mesha > Samkraanti, Nakshatra charts which work for about 14 days, and > Shashtyamsha charts which work for about 12 hours. > > Now, market capitalization of topmost 30 or 50 companies account for a > good part of national wealth in India, hence 2nd bhaava in national > horoscope can be used to predict behaviour of Sensex or Nifty. > > I have tested above ideas successfully. But if the investor's personal > fate is not good, planetary propitiation must be performed before doing > anything in this field. > > Shenoy ji puts forth a good question : " How do we find the days on which > he is likely to make profits or loss? " > > The answer depends upon the accuracy of analysis of stocks as well as of > one'e own charts. In personal charts, most influential factors are > Vimshottsri plus Varshaphala+ Maasaphala. If the praana-dahsaa of a given > planet lasts for many days, exact timing of its chief effect can be > determined from the ratio of its degrees (foorgetting the raashi) to 30 > degrees and getting the same ratio in the duration of that > praana-dashaa. . Gochara helps further in exact timing of events. > > All astrologers in this thread already know the rudimentary concepts > outlined above, but the problem arises from application of PHYSICAL > astronomy which can never be cured on internet. > > -Vinay Jha > ============ === === > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Vijay Rajput & Vinay Jha, > > > > I have to thank both of you posting the info regarding work on stock > movements > > > > I aware that the research on the subject is time consuming and tedious > job. > > > > However, I think there are 2 basic issues that need to addressed. > > > > 1) daily movemnt of sensex along with sectoral indices. > > 2) Individual compatability with trading prospects in general > > 3) individuals daily rate of success or failure (profit /loss). > > > > In practical trading daily movement of sensex is of little help unless > the movement changes sharply on the mid-day, which takes any one by > surprise and chances of loss is high. > > > > How de we determine with certainity that an individual shall be > successfull in trading business? this does not involve long term > investments, but pure trading activity. > > > > Even if an individual is so compatable, he need make profit every day. > How do we find the days on which he is likely to make profits or loss? > > > > If we can find a resonable answer with atleast 60 to 70% of success > rate, it would be helpfull to many ordinary citizens who venture into > stock market expecting to make quick bucks. > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vijay Rajput vijayrajput13@ ... > > > > Sat, October 17, 2009 3:50:11 PM > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > Dear Prashantji,Krishnan ji and Sureshji,Namste, > > Happy Diwali to you and you family members. > > > > As Jupiter is in direct motion Bank Nifty,Reality, and infrastructures > are moving as predicted in the earlier post.Today Sun is moved in to > tula rasi and you will see some fall in the market and this may continue > for one or two trading sessions.As sun gives it's results at entry of > the sign.Further move in the Bank stocks/BankNifty is likely in the 1st > week of Nov 2009.Particapation in the market will also impove in this > week.Inester' s sentiments is going to improve in next moon as ketu will > move out of Karka rasi..Ketu in karka harmed the market sentimentaly. > > All the best > > Take Care > > Vijay > > > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > Saturday, October 3, 2009, 2:56 PM > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > The Sensex touching 17000 can not be considered as a guide for the > improvement of trading.. > > > > Mars into a water sign ruled by Moon is bound to give jitters..being a > festival season,with fears of famine.due to short fall of rains are > bound to have impact on sentiments. > > > > Globallly finances in stocks has not chnaged much.mainly mutual funds > happened to be main attaractions has still not raised hopes for > investor.Realty sector yet waiting for bank incentives.Even banks too > starved for advances.Private sector except communications. chemiclas and > where Govt holds major stakes is giving hopes.Thanx to our strong > economic base that is sparing the Govt tradings. > > > > At this point of time till jupiter moves direct a cautious approach > need to be exercised. > > > > One exception:For those daily tarding is their stuff they can be > relentless as profits and losses go hand in hand.Beware speculation are > guided by one's strength of 8th house aknown malefic house. > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > wrote: > > > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > > > Saturday, October 3, 2009, 10:18 AM > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay > > > > it is a good post but will like u to apply this for a week coming Next > monday or the week after on the said principles and make ur forecast and > ideal is to do it for the entire month week wise and this will cover the > sun entry into Libra also so 2 weeks in Librta can also be studied a > practical series of 3-4 weeks is a welcome one > > > > as it is a known fact that Mkts can't be really predicted by even the > best of expeets else why will we have the crisis that engulfed the world > in this magnitude at least a indication knowing it will happen this bad > was not said leave alone the %age > > > > u can see in some groups a few members r trying to predict the same > with the Sankranti yr model or sankranti Purusha, the aditipatis for > diff sectors and not much has happened to that on the 1st occassion 2nd > one is mixed. > > > > orashant > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Vijay Rajput <vijayrajput13@ > > > > > > > > > Sat, October 3, 2009 4:14:40 PM > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > Dear Satya Ji,Namaste, > > > > Past 2-3 years I am tracking the stock market by using the basic > principle of Vedic Astrology.My guru is helping me much in this > regard.In the month of April On 9th April 2009 while answering a query I > have predicted the short term bull run in the stock market after the > transit of Jupiter. > > > > Again in the month of June I have predicted the consolidation of > market and good rise in market is likely after 15th Oct 2009. > > > > Now how to use astrology is important.The boss of speculation is > Saturn so closely watch the movement of Sat. > > > > Jupiter is dhanad it's movement and good position always indicates the > liquidity in the market and you may be knowing at present only liquidity > and speculation is driving the market.Monthly movement is to be seen by > the move ment of Sun and sun gives the results at its entry.For day to > day movement the move ment of Moon is very Important.And to track the > intra day movement,the movement of Moon in D-60 is very Important and it > can ve used for the movement of market.The navamsa position of planets > gives the sector wise movement. > > > > In the coming period Jupiter and Mars will be sitting opposite to each > other during this period you will see the sharp move in > Banking,Realityand Infrastructure sectors.Watch the Bank Nifty. > > > > You can draw the Nifty Future's chart and use the daily transit on > this chart. > > > > Even you can cast the individual chart of stocks. > > > > All the best > > > > Take care > > > > Vijay > > > > --- On Mon, 9/28/09, Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > @ . . com > > > > Monday, September 28, 2009, 10:09 AM > > > > Hello Sathya Ji, > > > > Financial Astrology and particulalrly Stock trading is an emerging > concept.A couple of seminars have been held here there and some writers > have also contributes articles in express Star teller. > > > > After economic rforms when privatisation on large scale with PPPs ,JVs > and Venture Capital coming into existence the trade and economics was > undergoing sea change. > > > > And to upset the calculations, the war like situatins,monopoly of oil > producing contries have taken away sheen in the trade market. > > > > with huge success in Indian trade of mutual funds in India Astrologers > basing financial Institutions performance and with blue chips of Larsen > & Tubro,Tata, Relinace and Birla etc the speculation gianed lot of > importance as the risk has increased.These major industries suddenly > went behind screen with realty sector and DLF coming into picture. > > > > It is now certain,value of shares continue to hover around 5-6 major > secctors like land,Reality, Pharma,steel, cement and other constructions > industries. > > > > Apart from,Jupiter, venus,and Mercury,mars to has it's role in share > market. > > > > we hear about Bulls and bears.Bearish tency is always when visionaries > get combust mainly during amvasya days. > > > > Nodes too have role in sudden spurts in share values.The moon waxing > is an indication for once investment to give return. > > > > But short term and long term invest definetely has to be based on the > traditional view of slow moving palnets(Saturn, Jupiter and Vneus) and > short term the main trade is based on moon,mars and mercury. > > > > when mercury conjunct,combust one has to be careful in putchasing > stocks.Buying is investment and the trading has to be done on day to day > basis looking into moons brightness other wise.the timing too has to be > decided when sun is almost free from any malefic aspects. > > > > Sudden gains are always based on 8th house including horses > races,lotteries and windfalls..8th t0 8th that is 3rd also > trade,commerce and communication for disposals. > > > > 5th known to be house of intution has a major role intrading of > stcocks. 11th bhava income house and 2nd for wealth when afflicted in > natal chart one has to be very cautious in netering stcok markets. > > > > In traidng of stcoks losses are inherent,role of 12th house can never > be discounted .malefics in 12th always represent heavy losses.Benifics > may help in minimising losses.Thes fundamentals of Astrology cannever be > ignored. > > > > Commodity specifics lke ketu for pharmas,venus for building.saturn for > steel,Sun for Gold,mercury for chemicals and mars for land etc indicate > their importance. > > > > Mind dual houses represented by pisces9watery sign) gemini(airy sign) > virgo (earthy sign) and finally sagittarus(fiery sign) throw light on > the nature of commodities also.Precious metals and stomes are always > looked from 1,7and9 and buildings.2, 6 & 10,chemicals/ pahrma3,7 and > 11.Allwatery signs for cold sotages,beverages and thermal equipment etc. > > > > Some studies and guidance cane be obatained from pranavasramam. . > org.Some books written on the subject have yet to gain currency.Visit to > Bhavan's university Book Store in Delhi and sagar publications may help > as titles can be seen.writer who have brought out publications both in > Hindia and English may not be established writers. > > > > Last but not the least natives have 2-3 retrograde planets require > caution in vest ments.however scripts for immediate gains can be > traded.Having good jupiter karak for wealth can take risks and like wise > venus dasa and exalted venus in pisces can go in for any type of > trading.dasa of rahu ,Sade sati,trading in limited way may be done if > moon is not debilitated or weak. > > > > EXpress Star Teller has brought out some articles written by JUB > Sastry and other whcich are of help. > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > --- On Sat, 9/26/09, sathya <rainbow_in> wrote: > > > > sathya <rainbow_in> > > > > can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > > > Cc: bursar_99 > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009, 2:55 AM > > > > hello., > > > > Can the most learned seniors & experts show some way > > > > to apply astrology on Stock market. > > > > what are the reasons and how the planetary position will take the > Stock Market up and what combination' s will make the Stock market come > down. > > > > what are the sectors which can rise and as of now till what time can > be upside bull market can sustain, > > > > Pls advice me some good books on using Astrology in Stock market, > > > > thanks > > > > sathya > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 kalyaswavikramagrihapratibhaakShataani chittotharandragurumaanabhavavyayaani. lagnaacchaturthanidhane chaturasrasaM~ne dyuunaM cha saptamagrihaM dashamarkshamaa~naa.. swam = dhanam kaalaatmaa dinakrinmnastuuhinaguuH satwaM kujo ~no vacho jiivo ~naanasukhe sitashcha madano dukhaM dineshaatmajo. raajaanau ravishiitaguu kshitisuto netaa kumaaro budhaH suuriddaanavapuujitaashcha sachivau preShyaH sahasraaMshujaH.. jeevo= gjnaa & sukh putrajanmavipattibhyaam n paraM sukhaduHkhayoH tasmaaddehaarogyavittaputrabudhyaadisvaruupo jiivaH guruNaa dehapuShTiH syaat biddhiputraarttasaMoadaH.. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ________________________________ Pk Tripathy <pktripathy89 Cc: pktripathy89 Sun, October 18, 2009 7:11:07 PM Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Dear Gentlemen, Interesting topic.Lot many things have been stored which could be seen if we really move on unravelling ancient records. For first instance, take out any companies DOR and feed it correctly with the cusp-bhava analysis as narrated in KP and again feed it into transit-natal planetary influence carefully, then you are getting astro-trend of ready sharevalue of that particular commodity. You all agree, what we generally lack within us the adequate deep-going attitude in perceiving ancient vision and blame the sacred rishis, what ever they have found out only due to their meditation power, these so-called modern techies will take another thousands of years to unravell. To Mr. Suresh Babu: I doubt if any where is mentioned jupitar is for real money? Plsease verify the records and kindly confirm me in which text it is mentioned. Reg. Dharma-adharma topic, as narrated by Mr. Prashant and countered by Suresh Babu,I would like to say that this is not today, this is perhaps since the creation of universe, and that is perhaps, the play of almighty with his greedy,conservative amd most loving human creature. If you go back to any yugas, you will find there is huge gap of material instinct and spiritual instinct of human being and to make down the apex material instinct individual , God himself has to take step with giving birth to an apex spiritual instinct individual and through Him, He make the balance of spiritual and material instinct and then make the peace to be flown down to the earth. So, this is a cycle and this is not our burden and this is the creator's burden. What we do, is that, to carry out our assignment with most sacred desire. With best wishes, P K Tripathy. ____________ _________ _________ __ Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > @ . .com Sun, October 18, 2009 3:33:58 PM Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Dear Prashant ji & others, If you look at the economic breakdown scenario, Economics has been taught from school to postgraduation & P.Hd levels and its is those who graduated from high levels that caused the present break down. All that they taught & practiced so far resulted in failure. Can we undermine the responcibilities of these institutions to have taught worthless information & churned out equally useless MBA's & phd's? did the present example change the curiculam of these institutions. Perhaps it changed the value of such degrees without real maket exposure and many companies are vewing them with sceptism. We can go on & on talking about economics & economies and how the companies & politicians cheat the public and lament about our helplessness in the matter. But will it help in any way? My point is very simple & direct. Given that there are many dynamics that govern the stock market ranging from international to local, calamities to poli-tricks, We are living in todays world and we have to look at our options in the prespectiveness. But the assumptioms that sages would not have known about about adharmic practices or black / white / red money is nothing but unrealistic. Otherwise how could they write so much about adharma unless they had known about it? You have to know about it to have written something. All our scriptures differentiate dharma & adharma at various levels. So instead of the above it would be better if we can focus on What can Astrology provide them by way of guidence? And encourage those who are doing intensive work on the subject It is a fact that one can make enough profits from share market and it is always tempting and the kind of trading depends on the capacity to take risks depending on temperament and well as financial capacity. Those who have very weak 2nd house & 9th house should stay away from risky trading practices. So also if Venus is afflicted by Saturn. Trading is also an attribute of 7th house. So 2nd- financial strength, backing from family etc, 7th Trading, 9th-Bhagya & long term investments, 10th (main activity) , 11nth - profits or 12th losses. I am adding the contents of a mail sent personaly to a question regarding Shares & lotteries. ------------ ------- Share is a share in firm / company. It is not a lottery. When you purchase a share however small it is, you are becoming a partner of the company. However, it is also wealth in the form of a paper / aggreement / document and is not real money or wealth. Every related to paper /documents/aggreeme nts etc are related to mercury, while real money is related to Jupiter. Hence, we can say that share trading is also trading of paper money, which means mercury is the significator here. There are two type of trading. One is pure trading and other is investment. But the Main Karaka for trading is Venus. while investments again is the perview of Jupiter. So all these three Jupiter (Investments) , Venus (Trading) & mercury (Paper money-shares) are indicators. So pure trading in shares can be attributed to Venus & Mercury Investements is share could be attributed to Jupiter & Mercury But it is no way connected to lotteries. ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - The above also may help in some way. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > Sun, October 18, 2009 1:52:54 PM Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Dear Krishna ji I thinkl the black and whiote currences can be reflected in the dharmic or adharmic earning streams ina individual, organisation, nations charts isnt it and as said earlier also if a person gains there is also a person or few who do lose fromthe same script by selling isnt it it can be a gain in value to tbe buyer or fall in value to th seller that can tilt the actual gainers here. the value systems [yoga dharma] is governed by the pouplace in gen as now governances is by the masses, than the soverign authorities. we get the leaders we deserve corrupt ppl elect corrupt leaders. so the currenices are equally corrupt and trhey dictate the course of the business climate, market trends witht e fundementals quiteoften having no role if the govt is on a shaky wicket that period so is the mkkt no fundamentals of the TOP 30 companies can resuce it. and as the old adage goes if America has cold rest of the world has pnuemonia is still valied in USD pegged global ecconomy its debts its deficit, interest rate trends dictate the global piicture still so we need to study US chart like the rasi chart and any other country's chart as complimentorychart to get good direction in this the closing of US mkt will give the trends to EAST ASIAN ECCONOMIES NEXT DAY and they appear to run almost close to heels and throws its weight on Our markets as well. prashant http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 ____________ _________ _________ __ Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > Sun, October 18, 2009 12:22:46 PM Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Dear Friends Our subha muhurta chintamani that give details about Amritadi Ananda yogas and tara bala that form part of " This is a basic knowledge that Astrology in its most practical form can do. " can be taken advatage for stock market All these are general guidelines and their relevance to stock markets specifically to share market is neither required nor appropriate in any way. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) --- On Sun, 10/18/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Sunday, October 18, 2009, 2:35 AM Dear Vinay jha, //It is futile to waste one's time over argumentation over physical versus non-physical planets. Test of the pudding lies in tasting it..// perfectly said. What could be tasted should also be palatable. You have a taken a different road than others. Only furture & reality shall reveal which one is more correct and easy. An ordinary person sitting at his home trading will never be able to assess the kind of data(s) you are talking about and with your " arguments " of " physical & non-physcal planets " . This is the basic point you are missing in your logic. So let us forget about your conviction on PNP planets, if you don't mind, for the time being. Consider every one here as fools & ignorent. They have only a calender and basic Rasi & Navamsa chart with them. Can your model provide any pointers to them that they shall loose money on this particular day or they shall gain even after a few days, if they invest on those days..? This is a basic knowledge that Astrology in its most practical form can do. It is only commonsense that if any model require non-available data to work correctly, it will not make any sense or is practical. Hence, it is better to gather the available data and try to find a working model from those data. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. ____________ _________ _________ __ VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > Sun, October 18, 2009 7:23:53 AM Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market To Shenoy Ji and others : It is good to know that Shenoy Ji has some (or more) experience in Day Trading. He knows that earning 5-10% profit per day in stock trading cannot be a norm, but is only the theoretical limit. All stock experts and interested astrologers seek to find out means to realize this limit. Shenoy Ji rightly says : " I don't think it is correct to say that economics does not have a firm base in astrology " . Two years ago, I finished work on 55 years of India national income growth rate data provoded by Finance Minister's Economic Surveys, and found it to be PERFECTLY in tune with astrology. Later, I started working on stock markets. But till now, I am not able to assert that stock markets work 100% according to astrological precepts, because I lack data about horoscopes of companies and their owners. It is not a shortcoming of astrology. But 90% of all significant ups and downs in daily movement of stocks of all major companies taken as a whole works in harmony with astrology : it is a conclusion of research and not merely a passing observation. I disagree with Shenoy Ji's remark : " it is not very easy and needs huge efforts to bring out a working model. .......the work so far done has not even touched the base of this subject. " I possess the working model. But unfortunately, instead of testing this model practically, many astrologers are rejecting its n0n-physical planets. Instead of wasting time over arguments, is it not good to test a thing? But even one day's stock movement needs 25-33 horoscopes to be discussed, and my past experience with rain research shows that all my works in these fora will be unheeded. Rohiniranjan Ji was right in saying that internet is not fit for serious research : he has more experience of internet than me. Let me explain my model here. If one planet moves from one bhaava to another, a new horoscope is produced. During 6 hours of BSE workday, there are 24-25 such horoscopes. Between any two successive horoscopes, only one planet differs in its position. Hence, any up or down movement of SENSEX has to be judged from one planet at a time, and only 2nd Bhaava needs to be judged because market capitalization of all SENSEX companies is not a perfect but a good indicator of national wealth . Between any two successive horoscopes, sometimes other planets also change their their properties, such as friendiness towards and aspect on 2nd bhaava, house ownerships, relations & c. But such complexities are rare. Thus, the method is simple. Draw horoscopes for the meridians of Bombay and compare the combined movement of stock prices of topmost companies with astrological charts : one will find startling correspondences. Such correspondences will be more visible if the changes in combined index are large. 25 horoscopes will produce only 25 cusps and troughs in the curve during 10 am and 4 pm, but in reality there are many more variations, which are mostly minor and are due to horoscopes to individual companies and their owners. If 2nd bhaava is not under effective control of its lord, then impact of other planets becomes significant, and aspects of all planets on 2nd bhaava according to their friendliness or unfriendliness must be considered in detail. A few days' or a few weeks' exercize in comparing stock indices with astrological charts will make one expert in judging the QUANTITY of impact a planet makes on a given bhaava. This experience will help in other fields of astrology as well. Analysis of continuous graph of SENSEX will be useful in gaining a quantitative astrological intuition otherwise almost impossible. Comparison of two entirely different horoscopes does not help in this regard, because the differences are too many and it is often difficult to guess which factor led to the overall result. But analysis of continuous Time Series (eg, SENSEX index) provides an opportunity to analyse impacts of individual changes in horoscopes. It is the easiest way to learn practical astrology (not only stock-astrology but all astrology). Please reread this last para seriously. Here, I am discussing only Day Trading. Long term economic-astology has been discussed by me in earlier threads few months ago, explained in some Hindi articles on web. All schools of astrology have their plus points, but it is not because all of them are equally perfect. The reason is that all of them originated directly or indirectly from same archaic source which was religious, intuitive and holistic, unlike the empirical-logical mathod of moderners. It is futile to waste one's time over argumentation over physical versus non-physical planets. Test of the pudding lies in tasting it. -VJ ============ ========= ===== , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Vinay Jha & others > > Thank you very much for further inputs from yourside. > > I started on a research on the subject as I was also a very active participant in the daily stock trading and still holds DP accounts. So I have a first hand experience & knowledge of practical issues of trading for a common person. > > Unfortunately could not do much on the astrogical part due to heavy distractions, either from my own business or people comming to see me with their problems. Ultimately I was forced to set is aside the work since as you know finding answers to those in distress & helping them is more important than this activity. > > Unlike in other countries, where the market is driven by strong fundamentals, Indian market conditions varies if a politician just smiles on the tv screen.. Till a few years back trading activity was based on personal contacts. But new internet technologies has made it easier to trade online due to which a lot of persons many having little knowledge of the business came into the arena. Most of the companies (Major Brokers) focused on trading volume than the participants profits and hence issues many unrealistic trading tips, which evetually ended in heavy loss to the commonor. > > This practicaly made trading in India a gamble than a prudent investment or business activity. The sad part is that the Major brokers knew what happens even when their clients are loosing money. They have far more advanced softwares than what they provide their customers. > > However, atleast some of those companies has realised the mistake and trying to regain the confidence of the small traders by providing more realistic tips and infos and focusing on the profits made by these ordinary members. > > Regarding the success rate on each day: > > In this regard I would like those who are either trading or doing research watch the movement of Moon through 2 set of signs - Upachaya & Anupachaya signs either from native moon / 2nd house / 11nth house / their lords / venus / mercury / Jupiter for starters. Signs thus involved and aspected by transiting jupiter or the above lords just might hold the key for days profits or loss in trading. > > The above concepts (which is pure traditional astrological concept) may have to watched over a few days trading and logged carefully. The results may be much helpfull in real trading than theoritical works. > > I also would request Shree Vinay Jha to refrain from starting all over again on " Physical " & His concept of astronomy, which does not help practically any body. It would make sense to produce what the common person shall understand and can use. > > regards > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > VJha vinayjhaa16@ ... > > Sat, October 17, 2009 9:33:05 PM > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market > > > To All, > > I was away for 3 months from all fora and had not read this thread till > now. Many astrologers have put in good ideas, and Shenoy Ji has done a > good job to organize the discussion properly by classifying the > sub-topics to some extent. > > Shenoy Ji writes : > <<< In practical trading daily movement of sensex is of little help > unless the movement changes sharply on the mid-day, which takes any one > by surprise and chances of loss is high.>>> > > This view is the majority view, ie, the view of those who have little or > no practical experience in real time Day Trading. Day Traders in all > stock exchanges of the world employ myriads of stochastic and other > techniques to make small profits at almost each up and down. Experienced > day traders prosper even in a recessing market, because the main > principle of Day Trading is based not on overall loss or gain of index > in a day or more, but on making profits at each small plus or minus > change by means of selling when high and buying when low. There are 25 > such chances per working day, and 15-20 of them may witness more than > 0.25% difference in stock prices. Add them, and it makes 4-5% profit per > day, even if there is no major bullish or bearish activity. If there are > major changes, profits may be much more than 5%. > > Non-astrologers do not know why there are 25 ups plus downs per 6 hours > of working day. This strange phenomenon can be explained ONLY > astrologically : there are about 25 distinct horoscopes during 6 hours > due to nearly 25 transits of planets into various bhaavas. > > Thus, there are 25 distinct charts per working day for a given place, > and each of them should be analyzed strictly according to standard rules > of phalita jyotisha. > This technique is time-consuming, but it is ACCURATE, provided both > Ganita and Phalita are based on original precepts of sages. > > This technique will give graph of ALL companies registered at a > particular stock exchange, but can be roughly used to predict behaviour > of most effective companies, as grouped under Sensex or Nifty. One can > use this technique to buy/sell shares of ALL 30 companies of Sensex > simultaneously, because individual companies may differ from the > combined graph and may cheat the investor due to different astrological > fate as ensuing from the horoscope of that company or of its chief > owners. > > For mid-term and long-term investments, this technique is of no use : > one must use national horoscopes of three types : annual chart of Mesha > Samkraanti, Nakshatra charts which work for about 14 days, and > Shashtyamsha charts which work for about 12 hours. > > Now, market capitalization of topmost 30 or 50 companies account for a > good part of national wealth in India, hence 2nd bhaava in national > horoscope can be used to predict behaviour of Sensex or Nifty. > > I have tested above ideas successfully. But if the investor's personal > fate is not good, planetary propitiation must be performed before doing > anything in this field. > > Shenoy ji puts forth a good question : " How do we find the days on which > he is likely to make profits or loss? " > > The answer depends upon the accuracy of analysis of stocks as well as of > one'e own charts. In personal charts, most influential factors are > Vimshottsri plus Varshaphala+ Maasaphala. If the praana-dahsaa of a given > planet lasts for many days, exact timing of its chief effect can be > determined from the ratio of its degrees (foorgetting the raashi) to 30 > degrees and getting the same ratio in the duration of that > praana-dashaa. . Gochara helps further in exact timing of events. > > All astrologers in this thread already know the rudimentary concepts > outlined above, but the problem arises from application of PHYSICAL > astronomy which can never be cured on internet. > > -Vinay Jha > ============ === === > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Vijay Rajput & Vinay Jha, > > > > I have to thank both of you posting the info regarding work on stock > movements > > > > I aware that the research on the subject is time consuming and tedious > job. > > > > However, I think there are 2 basic issues that need to addressed. > > > > 1) daily movemnt of sensex along with sectoral indices. > > 2) Individual compatability with trading prospects in general > > 3) individuals daily rate of success or failure (profit /loss). > > > > In practical trading daily movement of sensex is of little help unless > the movement changes sharply on the mid-day, which takes any one by > surprise and chances of loss is high. > > > > How de we determine with certainity that an individual shall be > successfull in trading business? this does not involve long term > investments, but pure trading activity. > > > > Even if an individual is so compatable, he need make profit every day. > How do we find the days on which he is likely to make profits or loss? > > > > If we can find a resonable answer with atleast 60 to 70% of success > rate, it would be helpfull to many ordinary citizens who venture into > stock market expecting to make quick bucks. > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vijay Rajput vijayrajput13@ ... > > > > Sat, October 17, 2009 3:50:11 PM > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > Dear Prashantji,Krishnan ji and Sureshji,Namste, > > Happy Diwali to you and you family members. > > > > As Jupiter is in direct motion Bank Nifty,Reality, and infrastructures > are moving as predicted in the earlier post.Today Sun is moved in to > tula rasi and you will see some fall in the market and this may continue > for one or two trading sessions.As sun gives it's results at entry of > the sign.Further move in the Bank stocks/BankNifty is likely in the 1st > week of Nov 2009.Particapation in the market will also impove in this > week.Inester' s sentiments is going to improve in next moon as ketu will > move out of Karka rasi..Ketu in karka harmed the market sentimentaly. > > All the best > > Take Care > > Vijay > > > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > Saturday, October 3, 2009, 2:56 PM > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > The Sensex touching 17000 can not be considered as a guide for the > improvement of trading.. > > > > Mars into a water sign ruled by Moon is bound to give jitters..being a > festival season,with fears of famine.due to short fall of rains are > bound to have impact on sentiments. > > > > Globallly finances in stocks has not chnaged much.mainly mutual funds > happened to be main attaractions has still not raised hopes for > investor.Realty sector yet waiting for bank incentives.Even banks too > starved for advances.Private sector except communications. chemiclas and > where Govt holds major stakes is giving hopes.Thanx to our strong > economic base that is sparing the Govt tradings. > > > > At this point of time till jupiter moves direct a cautious approach > need to be exercised. > > > > One exception:For those daily tarding is their stuff they can be > relentless as profits and losses go hand in hand.Beware speculation are > guided by one's strength of 8th house aknown malefic house. > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > wrote: > > > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > > > Saturday, October 3, 2009, 10:18 AM > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay > > > > it is a good post but will like u to apply this for a week coming Next > monday or the week after on the said principles and make ur forecast and > ideal is to do it for the entire month week wise and this will cover the > sun entry into Libra also so 2 weeks in Librta can also be studied a > practical series of 3-4 weeks is a welcome one > > > > as it is a known fact that Mkts can't be really predicted by even the > best of expeets else why will we have the crisis that engulfed the world > in this magnitude at least a indication knowing it will happen this bad > was not said leave alone the %age > > > > u can see in some groups a few members r trying to predict the same > with the Sankranti yr model or sankranti Purusha, the aditipatis for > diff sectors and not much has happened to that on the 1st occassion 2nd > one is mixed. > > > > orashant > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Vijay Rajput <vijayrajput13@ > > > > > > > > > Sat, October 3, 2009 4:14:40 PM > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > Dear Satya Ji,Namaste, > > > > Past 2-3 years I am tracking the stock market by using the basic > principle of Vedic Astrology.My guru is helping me much in this > regard.In the month of April On 9th April 2009 while answering a query I > have predicted the short term bull run in the stock market after the > transit of Jupiter. > > > > Again in the month of June I have predicted the consolidation of > market and good rise in market is likely after 15th Oct 2009. > > > > Now how to use astrology is important.The boss of speculation is > Saturn so closely watch the movement of Sat. > > > > Jupiter is dhanad it's movement and good position always indicates the > liquidity in the market and you may be knowing at present only liquidity > and speculation is driving the market.Monthly movement is to be seen by > the move ment of Sun and sun gives the results at its entry.For day to > day movement the move ment of Moon is very Important.And to track the > intra day movement,the movement of Moon in D-60 is very Important and it > can ve used for the movement of market.The navamsa position of planets > gives the sector wise movement. > > > > In the coming period Jupiter and Mars will be sitting opposite to each > other during this period you will see the sharp move in > Banking,Realityand Infrastructure sectors.Watch the Bank Nifty. > > > > You can draw the Nifty Future's chart and use the daily transit on > this chart. > > > > Even you can cast the individual chart of stocks. > > > > All the best > > > > Take care > > > > Vijay > > > > --- On Mon, 9/28/09, Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > @ . . com > > > > Monday, September 28, 2009, 10:09 AM > > > > Hello Sathya Ji, > > > > Financial Astrology and particulalrly Stock trading is an emerging > concept.A couple of seminars have been held here there and some writers > have also contributes articles in express Star teller. > > > > After economic rforms when privatisation on large scale with PPPs ,JVs > and Venture Capital coming into existence the trade and economics was > undergoing sea change. > > > > And to upset the calculations, the war like situatins,monopoly of oil > producing contries have taken away sheen in the trade market. > > > > with huge success in Indian trade of mutual funds in India Astrologers > basing financial Institutions performance and with blue chips of Larsen > & Tubro,Tata, Relinace and Birla etc the speculation gianed lot of > importance as the risk has increased.These major industries suddenly > went behind screen with realty sector and DLF coming into picture. > > > > It is now certain,value of shares continue to hover around 5-6 major > secctors like land,Reality, Pharma,steel, cement and other constructions > industries. > > > > Apart from,Jupiter, venus,and Mercury,mars to has it's role in share > market. > > > > we hear about Bulls and bears.Bearish tency is always when visionaries > get combust mainly during amvasya days. > > > > Nodes too have role in sudden spurts in share values.The moon waxing > is an indication for once investment to give return. > > > > But short term and long term invest definetely has to be based on the > traditional view of slow moving palnets(Saturn, Jupiter and Vneus) and > short term the main trade is based on moon,mars and mercury. > > > > when mercury conjunct,combust one has to be careful in putchasing > stocks.Buying is investment and the trading has to be done on day to day > basis looking into moons brightness other wise.the timing too has to be > decided when sun is almost free from any malefic aspects. > > > > Sudden gains are always based on 8th house including horses > races,lotteries and windfalls..8th t0 8th that is 3rd also > trade,commerce and communication for disposals. > > > > 5th known to be house of intution has a major role intrading of > stcocks. 11th bhava income house and 2nd for wealth when afflicted in > natal chart one has to be very cautious in netering stcok markets. > > > > In traidng of stcoks losses are inherent,role of 12th house can never > be discounted .malefics in 12th always represent heavy losses.Benifics > may help in minimising losses.Thes fundamentals of Astrology cannever be > ignored. > > > > Commodity specifics lke ketu for pharmas,venus for building.saturn for > steel,Sun for Gold,mercury for chemicals and mars for land etc indicate > their importance. > > > > Mind dual houses represented by pisces9watery sign) gemini(airy sign) > virgo (earthy sign) and finally sagittarus(fiery sign) throw light on > the nature of commodities also.Precious metals and stomes are always > looked from 1,7and9 and buildings.2, 6 & 10,chemicals/ pahrma3,7 and > 11.Allwatery signs for cold sotages,beverages and thermal equipment etc. > > > > Some studies and guidance cane be obatained from pranavasramam. . > org.Some books written on the subject have yet to gain currency.Visit to > Bhavan's university Book Store in Delhi and sagar publications may help > as titles can be seen.writer who have brought out publications both in > Hindia and English may not be established writers. > > > > Last but not the least natives have 2-3 retrograde planets require > caution in vest ments.however scripts for immediate gains can be > traded.Having good jupiter karak for wealth can take risks and like wise > venus dasa and exalted venus in pisces can go in for any type of > trading.dasa of rahu ,Sade sati,trading in limited way may be done if > moon is not debilitated or weak. > > > > EXpress Star Teller has brought out some articles written by JUB > Sastry and other whcich are of help. > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > --- On Sat, 9/26/09, sathya <rainbow_in> wrote: > > > > sathya <rainbow_in> > > > > can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > > > Cc: bursar_99 > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009, 2:55 AM > > > > hello., > > > > Can the most learned seniors & experts show some way > > > > to apply astrology on Stock market. > > > > what are the reasons and how the planetary position will take the > Stock Market up and what combination' s will make the Stock market come > down. > > > > what are the sectors which can rise and as of now till what time can > be upside bull market can sustain, > > > > Pls advice me some good books on using Astrology in Stock market, > > > > thanks > > > > sathya > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Shenoy ji, I have already explained my method in detail, with scores of examples. There is nothing new in my approach. My recent example was about stock market, because astrologers here do not seem to be interested in rain forecasting & c. But even this example is being ignored under rhetoric which solves nothing. Why alternative methods of forecasting SENSEX or NIFTY are not being forwarded by those who smell foul in my method? The forecast for 16 Oct 2009 was prepared in a hurry. I analyzed 33 horoscopes needed for 6 hours of SENSEX graph within half an hour, because I knew members of internet fora will simply ignore my work due to constant " advertisements " regarding my " approach " . Now, I should take these fora with same amount of seriousness with which my work was received. Rohiniranjan Ji was right in suggesting that internet fora are not meant for any serious work. But it does not mean I am giving up my work. I am preparing SENSEX graph for 20 Oct 2009 and for succeeding days, not primarily for these fora but for real Day Traders. But I will post some of these forecasts to my websites, as well as to these fora. Regards! -VJ =============== === , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Dear Vinay jha, > > //It is futile to waste one's time over argumentation over physical versus > non-physical planets. Test of the pudding lies in tasting it.// > > perfectly said. > > What could be tasted should also be palatable. > > You have a taken a different road than others. Only furture & reality shall reveal which one is more correct and easy. > > An ordinary person sitting at his home trading will never be able to assess the kind of data(s) you are talking about and with your " arguments " of " physical & non-physcal planets " . This is the basic point you are missing in your logic. > > So let us forget about your conviction on PNP planets, if you don't mind, for the time being. Consider every one here as fools & ignorent. They have only a calender and basic Rasi & Navamsa chart with them. Can your model provide any pointers to them that they shall loose money on this particular day or they shall gain even after a few days, if they invest on those days.? This is a basic knowledge that Astrology in its most practical form can do. > > It is only commonsense that if any model require non-available data to work correctly, it will not make any sense or is practical. Hence, it is better to gather the available data and try to find a working model from those data. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > VJha vinayjhaa16 > > Sun, October 18, 2009 7:23:53 AM > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market > > > To Shenoy Ji and others : > > It is good to know that Shenoy Ji has some (or more) experience in Day > Trading. He knows that earning 5-10% profit per day in stock trading > cannot be a norm, but is only the theoretical limit. All stock experts > and interested astrologers seek to find out means to realize this limit. > Shenoy Ji rightly says : " I don't think it is correct to say that > economics does not have a firm base in astrology " . Two years ago, I > finished work on 55 years of India national income growth rate data > provoded by Finance Minister's Economic Surveys, and found it to be > PERFECTLY in tune with astrology. Later, I started working on stock > markets. But till now, I am not able to assert that stock markets work > 100% according to astrological precepts, because I lack data about > horoscopes of companies and their owners. It is not a shortcoming of > astrology. But 90% of all significant ups and downs in daily movement of > stocks of all major companies taken as a whole works in harmony with > astrology : it is a conclusion of research and not merely a passing > observation. I disagree with Shenoy Ji's remark : " it is not very easy > and needs huge efforts to bring out a working model. .......the work so > far done has not even touched the base of this subject. " > > I possess the working model. But unfortunately, instead of testing this > model practically, many astrologers are rejecting its n0n-physical > planets. Instead of wasting time over arguments, is it not good to test > a thing? But even one day's stock movement needs 25-33 horoscopes to be > discussed, and my past experience with rain research shows that all my > works in these fora will be unheeded. Rohiniranjan Ji was right in > saying that internet is not fit for serious research : he has more > experience of internet than me. > > Let me explain my model here. > > If one planet moves from one bhaava to another, a new horoscope is > produced. During 6 hours of BSE workday, there are 24-25 such > horoscopes. Between any two successive horoscopes, only one planet > differs in its position. Hence, any up or down movement of SENSEX has to > be judged from one planet at a time, and only 2nd Bhaava needs to be > judged because market capitalization of all SENSEX companies is not a > perfect but a good indicator of national wealth . Between any two > successive horoscopes, sometimes other planets also change their their > properties, such as friendiness towards and aspect on 2nd bhaava, house > ownerships, relations & c. But such complexities are rare. Thus, the > method is simple. Draw horoscopes for the meridians of Bombay and > compare the combined movement of stock prices of topmost companies with > astrological charts : one will find startling correspondences. Such > correspondences will be more visible if the changes in combined index > are large. > > 25 horoscopes will produce only 25 cusps and troughs in the curve during > 10 am and 4 pm, but in reality there are many more variations, which are > mostly minor and are due to horoscopes to individual companies and their > owners. > > If 2nd bhaava is not under effective control of its lord, then impact of > other planets becomes significant, and aspects of all planets on 2nd > bhaava according to their friendliness or unfriendliness must be > considered in detail. > > A few days' or a few weeks' exercize in comparing stock indices with > astrological charts will make one expert in judging the QUANTITY of > impact a planet makes on a given bhaava. This experience will help in > other fields of astrology as well. Analysis of continuous graph of > SENSEX will be useful in gaining a quantitative astrological intuition > otherwise almost impossible. > > Comparison of two entirely different horoscopes does not help in this > regard, because the differences are too many and it is often difficult > to guess which factor led to the overall result. But analysis of > continuous Time Series (eg, SENSEX index) provides an opportunity to > analyse impacts of individual changes in horoscopes. It is the easiest > way to learn practical astrology (not only stock-astrology but all > astrology). Please reread this last para seriously. > > Here, I am discussing only Day Trading. Long term economic-astology has > been discussed by me in earlier threads few months ago, explained in > some Hindi articles on web. > > All schools of astrology have their plus points, but it is not because > all of them are equally perfect. The reason is that all of them > originated directly or indirectly from same archaic source which was > religious, intuitive and holistic, unlike the empirical-logical mathod > of moderners. > > It is futile to waste one's time over argumentation over physical versus > non-physical planets. Test of the pudding lies in tasting it. > > -VJ > ============ ========= ===== > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Vinay Jha & others > > > > Thank you very much for further inputs from yourside. > > > > I started on a research on the subject as I was also a very active > participant in the daily stock trading and still holds DP accounts. So I > have a first hand experience & knowledge of practical issues of trading > for a common person. > > > > Unfortunately could not do much on the astrogical part due to heavy > distractions, either from my own business or people comming to see me > with their problems. Ultimately I was forced to set is aside the work > since as you know finding answers to those in distress & helping them is > more important than this activity. > > > > Unlike in other countries, where the market is driven by strong > fundamentals, Indian market conditions varies if a politician just > smiles on the tv screen. Till a few years back trading activity was > based on personal contacts. But new internet technologies has made it > easier to trade online due to which a lot of persons many having little > knowledge of the business came into the arena. Most of the companies > (Major Brokers) focused on trading volume than the participants profits > and hence issues many unrealistic trading tips, which evetually ended in > heavy loss to the commonor. > > > > This practicaly made trading in India a gamble than a prudent > investment or business activity. The sad part is that the Major brokers > knew what happens even when their clients are loosing money. They have > far more advanced softwares than what they provide their customers. > > > > However, atleast some of those companies has realised the mistake and > trying to regain the confidence of the small traders by providing more > realistic tips and infos and focusing on the profits made by these > ordinary members. > > > > Regarding the success rate on each day: > > > > In this regard I would like those who are either trading or doing > research watch the movement of Moon through 2 set of signs - Upachaya & > Anupachaya signs either from native moon / 2nd house / 11nth house / > their lords / venus / mercury / Jupiter for starters. Signs thus > involved and aspected by transiting jupiter or the above lords just > might hold the key for days profits or loss in trading. > > > > The above concepts (which is pure traditional astrological concept) > may have to watched over a few days trading and logged carefully. The > results may be much helpfull in real trading than theoritical works. > > > > I also would request Shree Vinay Jha to refrain from starting all over > again on " Physical " & His concept of astronomy, which does not help > practically any body. It would make sense to produce what the common > person shall understand and can use. > > > > regards > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > VJha vinayjhaa16@ ... > > > > Sat, October 17, 2009 9:33:05 PM > > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market > > > > > > To All, > > > > I was away for 3 months from all fora and had not read this thread > till > > now. Many astrologers have put in good ideas, and Shenoy Ji has done a > > good job to organize the discussion properly by classifying the > > sub-topics to some extent. > > > > Shenoy Ji writes : > > <<< In practical trading daily movement of sensex is of little help > > unless the movement changes sharply on the mid-day, which takes any > one > > by surprise and chances of loss is high.>>> > > > > This view is the majority view, ie, the view of those who have little > or > > no practical experience in real time Day Trading. Day Traders in all > > stock exchanges of the world employ myriads of stochastic and other > > techniques to make small profits at almost each up and down. > Experienced > > day traders prosper even in a recessing market, because the main > > principle of Day Trading is based not on overall loss or gain of index > > in a day or more, but on making profits at each small plus or minus > > change by means of selling when high and buying when low. There are 25 > > such chances per working day, and 15-20 of them may witness more than > > 0.25% difference in stock prices. Add them, and it makes 4-5% profit > per > > day, even if there is no major bullish or bearish activity. If there > are > > major changes, profits may be much more than 5%. > > > > Non-astrologers do not know why there are 25 ups plus downs per 6 > hours > > of working day. This strange phenomenon can be explained ONLY > > astrologically : there are about 25 distinct horoscopes during 6 hours > > due to nearly 25 transits of planets into various bhaavas. > > > > Thus, there are 25 distinct charts per working day for a given place, > > and each of them should be analyzed strictly according to standard > rules > > of phalita jyotisha. > > This technique is time-consuming, but it is ACCURATE, provided both > > Ganita and Phalita are based on original precepts of sages. > > > > This technique will give graph of ALL companies registered at a > > particular stock exchange, but can be roughly used to predict > behaviour > > of most effective companies, as grouped under Sensex or Nifty. One can > > use this technique to buy/sell shares of ALL 30 companies of Sensex > > simultaneously, because individual companies may differ from the > > combined graph and may cheat the investor due to different > astrological > > fate as ensuing from the horoscope of that company or of its chief > > owners. > > > > For mid-term and long-term investments, this technique is of no use : > > one must use national horoscopes of three types : annual chart of > Mesha > > Samkraanti, Nakshatra charts which work for about 14 days, and > > Shashtyamsha charts which work for about 12 hours. > > > > Now, market capitalization of topmost 30 or 50 companies account for a > > good part of national wealth in India, hence 2nd bhaava in national > > horoscope can be used to predict behaviour of Sensex or Nifty. > > > > I have tested above ideas successfully. But if the investor's personal > > fate is not good, planetary propitiation must be performed before > doing > > anything in this field. > > > > Shenoy ji puts forth a good question : " How do we find the days on > which > > he is likely to make profits or loss? " > > > > The answer depends upon the accuracy of analysis of stocks as well as > of > > one'e own charts. In personal charts, most influential factors are > > Vimshottsri plus Varshaphala+ Maasaphala. If the praana-dahsaa of a > given > > planet lasts for many days, exact timing of its chief effect can be > > determined from the ratio of its degrees (foorgetting the raashi) to > 30 > > degrees and getting the same ratio in the duration of that > > praana-dashaa. Gochara helps further in exact timing of events. > > > > All astrologers in this thread already know the rudimentary concepts > > outlined above, but the problem arises from application of PHYSICAL > > astronomy which can never be cured on internet. > > > > -Vinay Jha > > ============ === === > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " > > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vijay Rajput & Vinay Jha, > > > > > > I have to thank both of you posting the info regarding work on stock > > movements > > > > > > I aware that the research on the subject is time consuming and > tedious > > job. > > > > > > However, I think there are 2 basic issues that need to addressed. > > > > > > 1) daily movemnt of sensex along with sectoral indices. > > > 2) Individual compatability with trading prospects in general > > > 3) individuals daily rate of success or failure (profit /loss). > > > > > > In practical trading daily movement of sensex is of little help > unless > > the movement changes sharply on the mid-day, which takes any one by > > surprise and chances of loss is high. > > > > > > How de we determine with certainity that an individual shall be > > successfull in trading business? this does not involve long term > > investments, but pure trading activity. > > > > > > Even if an individual is so compatable, he need make profit every > day. > > How do we find the days on which he is likely to make profits or loss? > > > > > > If we can find a resonable answer with atleast 60 to 70% of success > > rate, it would be helpfull to many ordinary citizens who venture into > > stock market expecting to make quick bucks. > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Vijay Rajput vijayrajput13@ ... > > > > > > Sat, October 17, 2009 3:50:11 PM > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashantji,Krishnan ji and Sureshji,Namste, > > > Happy Diwali to you and you family members. > > > > > > As Jupiter is in direct motion Bank Nifty,Reality, and > infrastructures > > are moving as predicted in the earlier post.Today Sun is moved in to > > tula rasi and you will see some fall in the market and this may > continue > > for one or two trading sessions.As sun gives it's results at entry of > > the sign.Further move in the Bank stocks/BankNifty is likely in the > 1st > > week of Nov 2009.Particapation in the market will also impove in this > > week.Inester' s sentiments is going to improve in next moon as ketu > will > > move out of Karka rasi.Ketu in karka harmed the market sentimentaly. > > > All the best > > > Take Care > > > Vijay > > > > > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > Saturday, October 3, 2009, 2:56 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > The Sensex touching 17000 can not be considered as a guide for the > > improvement of trading. > > > > > > Mars into a water sign ruled by Moon is bound to give jitters.being > a > > festival season,with fears of famine.due to short fall of rains are > > bound to have impact on sentiments. > > > > > > Globallly finances in stocks has not chnaged much.mainly mutual > funds > > happened to be main attaractions has still not raised hopes for > > investor.Realty sector yet waiting for bank incentives.Even banks too > > starved for advances.Private sector except communications. chemiclas > and > > where Govt holds major stakes is giving hopes.Thanx to our strong > > economic base that is sparing the Govt tradings. > > > > > > At this point of time till jupiter moves direct a cautious approach > > need to be exercised. > > > > > > One exception:For those daily tarding is their stuff they can be > > relentless as profits and losses go hand in hand.Beware speculation > are > > guided by one's strength of 8th house aknown malefic house. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > wrote: > > > > > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > > > > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, October 3, 2009, 10:18 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay > > > > > > it is a good post but will like u to apply this for a week coming > Next > > monday or the week after on the said principles and make ur forecast > and > > ideal is to do it for the entire month week wise and this will cover > the > > sun entry into Libra also so 2 weeks in Librta can also be studied a > > practical series of 3-4 weeks is a welcome one > > > > > > as it is a known fact that Mkts can't be really predicted by even > the > > best of expeets else why will we have the crisis that engulfed the > world > > in this magnitude at least a indication knowing it will happen this > bad > > was not said leave alone the %age > > > > > > u can see in some groups a few members r trying to predict the same > > with the Sankranti yr model or sankranti Purusha, the aditipatis for > > diff sectors and not much has happened to that on the 1st occassion > 2nd > > one is mixed. > > > > > > orashant > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > Vijay Rajput <vijayrajput13@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, October 3, 2009 4:14:40 PM > > > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > Dear Satya Ji,Namaste, > > > > > > Past 2-3 years I am tracking the stock market by using the basic > > principle of Vedic Astrology.My guru is helping me much in this > > regard.In the month of April On 9th April 2009 while answering a query > I > > have predicted the short term bull run in the stock market after the > > transit of Jupiter. > > > > > > Again in the month of June I have predicted the consolidation of > > market and good rise in market is likely after 15th Oct 2009. > > > > > > Now how to use astrology is important.The boss of speculation is > > Saturn so closely watch the movement of Sat. > > > > > > Jupiter is dhanad it's movement and good position always indicates > the > > liquidity in the market and you may be knowing at present only > liquidity > > and speculation is driving the market.Monthly movement is to be seen > by > > the move ment of Sun and sun gives the results at its entry.For day to > > day movement the move ment of Moon is very Important.And to track the > > intra day movement,the movement of Moon in D-60 is very Important and > it > > can ve used for the movement of market.The navamsa position of planets > > gives the sector wise movement. > > > > > > In the coming period Jupiter and Mars will be sitting opposite to > each > > other during this period you will see the sharp move in > > Banking,Realityand Infrastructure sectors.Watch the Bank Nifty. > > > > > > You can draw the Nifty Future's chart and use the daily transit on > > this chart. > > > > > > Even you can cast the individual chart of stocks. > > > > > > All the best > > > > > > Take care > > > > > > Vijay > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/28/09, Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, September 28, 2009, 10:09 AM > > > > > > Hello Sathya Ji, > > > > > > Financial Astrology and particulalrly Stock trading is an emerging > > concept.A couple of seminars have been held here there and some > writers > > have also contributes articles in express Star teller. > > > > > > After economic rforms when privatisation on large scale with PPPs > ,JVs > > and Venture Capital coming into existence the trade and economics was > > undergoing sea change. > > > > > > And to upset the calculations, the war like situatins,monopoly of > oil > > producing contries have taken away sheen in the trade market. > > > > > > with huge success in Indian trade of mutual funds in India > Astrologers > > basing financial Institutions performance and with blue chips of > Larsen > > & Tubro,Tata, Relinace and Birla etc the speculation gianed lot of > > importance as the risk has increased.These major industries suddenly > > went behind screen with realty sector and DLF coming into picture. > > > > > > It is now certain,value of shares continue to hover around 5-6 major > > secctors like land,Reality, Pharma,steel, cement and other > constructions > > industries. > > > > > > Apart from,Jupiter, venus,and Mercury,mars to has it's role in share > > market. > > > > > > we hear about Bulls and bears.Bearish tency is always when > visionaries > > get combust mainly during amvasya days. > > > > > > Nodes too have role in sudden spurts in share values.The moon waxing > > is an indication for once investment to give return. > > > > > > But short term and long term invest definetely has to be based on > the > > traditional view of slow moving palnets(Saturn, Jupiter and Vneus) and > > short term the main trade is based on moon,mars and mercury. > > > > > > when mercury conjunct,combust one has to be careful in putchasing > > stocks.Buying is investment and the trading has to be done on day to > day > > basis looking into moons brightness other wise.the timing too has to > be > > decided when sun is almost free from any malefic aspects. > > > > > > Sudden gains are always based on 8th house including horses > > races,lotteries and windfalls..8th t0 8th that is 3rd also > > trade,commerce and communication for disposals. > > > > > > 5th known to be house of intution has a major role intrading of > > stcocks. 11th bhava income house and 2nd for wealth when afflicted in > > natal chart one has to be very cautious in netering stcok markets. > > > > > > In traidng of stcoks losses are inherent,role of 12th house can > never > > be discounted .malefics in 12th always represent heavy losses.Benifics > > may help in minimising losses.Thes fundamentals of Astrology cannever > be > > ignored. > > > > > > Commodity specifics lke ketu for pharmas,venus for building.saturn > for > > steel,Sun for Gold,mercury for chemicals and mars for land etc > indicate > > their importance. > > > > > > Mind dual houses represented by pisces9watery sign) gemini(airy > sign) > > virgo (earthy sign) and finally sagittarus(fiery sign) throw light on > > the nature of commodities also.Precious metals and stomes are always > > looked from 1,7and9 and buildings.2, 6 & 10,chemicals/ pahrma3,7 and > > 11.Allwatery signs for cold sotages,beverages and thermal equipment > etc. > > > > > > Some studies and guidance cane be obatained from pranavasramam. > > org.Some books written on the subject have yet to gain currency.Visit > to > > Bhavan's university Book Store in Delhi and sagar publications may > help > > as titles can be seen.writer who have brought out publications both in > > Hindia and English may not be established writers. > > > > > > Last but not the least natives have 2-3 retrograde planets require > > caution in vest ments.however scripts for immediate gains can be > > traded.Having good jupiter karak for wealth can take risks and like > wise > > venus dasa and exalted venus in pisces can go in for any type of > > trading.dasa of rahu ,Sade sati,trading in limited way may be done if > > moon is not debilitated or weak. > > > > > > EXpress Star Teller has brought out some articles written by JUB > > Sastry and other whcich are of help. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > --- On Sat, 9/26/09, sathya <rainbow_in> wrote: > > > > > > sathya <rainbow_in> > > > > > > can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: bursar_99 > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009, 2:55 AM > > > > > > hello., > > > > > > Can the most learned seniors & experts show some way > > > > > > to apply astrology on Stock market. > > > > > > what are the reasons and how the planetary position will take the > > Stock Market up and what combination' s will make the Stock market > come > > down. > > > > > > what are the sectors which can rise and as of now till what time can > > be upside bull market can sustain, > > > > > > Pls advice me some good books on using Astrology in Stock market, > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > sathya > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Prashant Ji, <<<the closing of US mkt will give the trends to EAST ASIAN ECCONOMIES NEXT DAY and they appear to run almost close to heels and throws its weight on Our markets as well.>>> I am working on BSE now, and I will later try to work along the line suggested by you : about comparing NYSE with BSE next day. -VJ ====================== ===== , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > kalyaswavikramagrihapratibhaakShataani > chittotharandragurumaanabhavavyayaani. > lagnaacchaturthanidhane chaturasrasaM~ne > dyuunaM cha saptamagrihaM dashamarkshamaa~naa.. > swam = dhanam > > kaalaatmaa dinakrinmnastuuhinaguuH satwaM kujo ~no vacho > jiivo ~naanasukhe sitashcha madano dukhaM dineshaatmajo. > raajaanau ravishiitaguu kshitisuto netaa kumaaro budhaH > suuriddaanavapuujitaashcha sachivau preShyaH sahasraaMshujaH.. > jeevo= gjnaa & sukh > > putrajanmavipattibhyaam n paraM sukhaduHkhayoH > tasmaaddehaarogyavittaputrabudhyaadisvaruupo jiivaH > > guruNaa dehapuShTiH syaat biddhiputraarttasaMoadaH.. > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ________________________________ > Pk Tripathy pktripathy89 > > Cc: pktripathy89 > Sun, October 18, 2009 7:11:07 PM > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market > > > Dear Gentlemen, > > Interesting topic.Lot many things have been stored which could be seen if we really move on unravelling ancient records. For first instance, take out any companies DOR and feed it correctly with the cusp-bhava analysis as narrated in KP and again feed it into transit-natal planetary influence carefully, then you are getting astro-trend of ready sharevalue of that particular commodity. You all agree, what we generally lack within us the adequate deep-going attitude in perceiving ancient vision and blame the sacred rishis, what ever they have found out only due to their meditation power, these so-called modern techies will take another thousands of years to unravell. > > To Mr. Suresh Babu: I doubt if any where is mentioned jupitar is for real money? Plsease verify the records and kindly confirm me in which text it is mentioned. > > Reg. Dharma-adharma topic, as narrated by Mr. Prashant and countered by Suresh Babu,I would like to say that this is not today, this is perhaps since the creation of universe, and that is perhaps, the play of almighty with his greedy,conservative amd most loving human creature. If you go back to any yugas, you will find there is huge gap of material instinct and spiritual instinct of human being and to make down the apex material instinct individual , God himself has to take step with giving birth to an apex spiritual instinct individual and through Him, He make the balance of spiritual and material instinct and then make the peace to be flown down to the earth. So, this is a cycle and this is not our burden and this is the creator's burden. > What we do, is that, to carry out our assignment with most sacred desire. > > With best wishes, > P K Tripathy. > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > @ . .com > Sun, October 18, 2009 3:33:58 PM > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market > > > Dear Prashant ji & others, > > If you look at the economic breakdown scenario, Economics has been taught from school to postgraduation & P.Hd levels and its is those who graduated from high levels that caused the present break down. All that they taught & practiced so far resulted in failure. Can we undermine the responcibilities of these institutions to have taught worthless information & churned out equally useless MBA's & phd's? > > did the present example change the curiculam of these institutions. Perhaps it changed the value of such degrees without real maket exposure and many companies are vewing them with sceptism. > > We can go on & on talking about economics & economies and how the companies & politicians cheat the public and lament about our helplessness in the matter. > > But will it help in any way? > > My point is very simple & direct. > > Given that there are many dynamics that govern the stock market ranging from international to local, calamities to poli-tricks, > > We are living in todays world and we have to look at our options in the prespectiveness. But the assumptioms that sages would not have known about about adharmic practices or black / white / red money is nothing but unrealistic. Otherwise how could they write so much about adharma unless they had known about it? You have to know about it to have written something. All our scriptures differentiate dharma & adharma at various levels. > > So instead of the above it would be better if we can focus on > > What can Astrology provide them by way of guidence? > > And encourage those who are doing intensive work on the subject > > It is a fact that one can make enough profits from share market and it is always tempting and the kind of trading depends on the capacity to take risks depending on temperament and well as financial capacity. > > Those who have very weak 2nd house & 9th house should stay away from risky trading practices. So also if Venus is afflicted by Saturn. > > Trading is also an attribute of 7th house. > > So 2nd- financial strength, backing from family etc, 7th Trading, 9th-Bhagya & long term investments, 10th (main activity) , 11nth - profits or 12th losses. > > I am adding the contents of a mail sent personaly to a question regarding Shares & lotteries. > > ------------ ------- > Share is a share in firm / company. It is not a lottery. When you purchase a share however small it is, you are becoming a partner of the company. > > However, it is also wealth in the form of a paper / aggreement / document and is not real money or wealth. Every related to paper /documents/aggreeme nts etc are related to mercury, while real money is related to Jupiter. > > Hence, we can say that share trading is also trading of paper money, which means mercury is the significator here. > > There are two type of trading. One is pure trading and other is investment. > > But the Main Karaka for trading is Venus. while investments again is the perview of Jupiter. > > So all these three Jupiter (Investments) , Venus (Trading) & mercury (Paper money-shares) are indicators. > > So pure trading in shares can be attributed to Venus & Mercury > Investements is share could be attributed to Jupiter & Mercury > > But it is no way connected to lotteries. > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > The above also may help in some way. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > > > Sun, October 18, 2009 1:52:54 PM > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market > > > Dear Krishna ji > > I thinkl the black and whiote currences can be reflected in the dharmic or adharmic earning streams ina individual, organisation, nations charts isnt it > > and as said earlier also if a person gains there is also a person or few who do lose fromthe same script by selling isnt it > > it can be a gain in value to tbe buyer or fall in value to th seller that can tilt the actual gainers here. > > the value systems [yoga dharma] is governed by the pouplace in gen as now governances is by the masses, than the soverign authorities. we get the leaders we deserve > > corrupt ppl elect corrupt leaders. so the currenices are equally corrupt and trhey dictate the course of the business climate, market trends witht e fundementals quiteoften having no role > > if the govt is on a shaky wicket that period so is the mkkt no fundamentals of the TOP 30 companies can resuce it. and as the old adage goes if America has cold rest of the world has pnuemonia is still valied in USD pegged global ecconomy its debts its deficit, interest rate trends dictate the global piicture still > > so we need to study US chart like the rasi chart and any other country's chart as complimentorychart to get good direction in this > > the closing of US mkt will give the trends to EAST ASIAN ECCONOMIES NEXT DAY and they appear to run almost close to heels and throws its weight on Our markets as well. > > prashant > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > Sun, October 18, 2009 12:22:46 PM > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market > > Dear Friends > Our subha muhurta chintamani that give details about Amritadi Ananda yogas and tara bala that form part of " This is a basic knowledge that Astrology in its most practical form can do. " can be taken advatage for stock market All these are general guidelines and their relevance to stock markets specifically to share market is neither required nor appropriate in any way. > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > > --- On Sun, 10/18/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market > > Sunday, October 18, 2009, 2:35 AM > > Dear Vinay jha, > > //It is futile to waste one's time over argumentation over physical versus > non-physical planets. Test of the pudding lies in tasting it..// > > perfectly said. > > What could be tasted should also be palatable. > > You have a taken a different road than others. Only furture & reality shall reveal which one is more correct and easy. > > An ordinary person sitting at his home trading will never be able to assess the kind of data(s) you are talking about and with your " arguments " of " physical & non-physcal planets " . This is the basic point you are missing in your logic. > > So let us forget about your conviction on PNP planets, if you don't mind, for the time being. Consider every one here as fools & ignorent. They have only a calender and basic Rasi & Navamsa chart with them. Can your model provide any pointers to them that they shall loose money on this particular day or they shall gain even after a few days, if they invest on those days..? This is a basic knowledge that Astrology in its most practical form can do. > > It is only commonsense that if any model require non-available data to work correctly, it will not make any sense or is practical. Hence, it is better to gather the available data and try to find a working model from those data. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > > > Sun, October 18, 2009 7:23:53 AM > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market > > To Shenoy Ji and others : > > It is good to know that Shenoy Ji has some (or more) experience in Day > Trading. He knows that earning 5-10% profit per day in stock trading > cannot be a norm, but is only the theoretical limit. All stock experts > and interested astrologers seek to find out means to realize this limit. > Shenoy Ji rightly says : " I don't think it is correct to say that > economics does not have a firm base in astrology " . Two years ago, I > finished work on 55 years of India national income growth rate data > provoded by Finance Minister's Economic Surveys, and found it to be > PERFECTLY in tune with astrology. Later, I started working on stock > markets. But till now, I am not able to assert that stock markets work > 100% according to astrological precepts, because I lack data about > horoscopes of companies and their owners. It is not a shortcoming of > astrology. But 90% of all significant ups and downs in daily movement of > stocks of all major companies taken as a whole works in harmony with > astrology : it is a conclusion of research and not merely a passing > observation. I disagree with Shenoy Ji's remark : " it is not very easy > and needs huge efforts to bring out a working model. .......the work so > far done has not even touched the base of this subject. " > > I possess the working model. But unfortunately, instead of testing this > model practically, many astrologers are rejecting its n0n-physical > planets. Instead of wasting time over arguments, is it not good to test > a thing? But even one day's stock movement needs 25-33 horoscopes to be > discussed, and my past experience with rain research shows that all my > works in these fora will be unheeded. Rohiniranjan Ji was right in > saying that internet is not fit for serious research : he has more > experience of internet than me. > > Let me explain my model here. > > If one planet moves from one bhaava to another, a new horoscope is > produced. During 6 hours of BSE workday, there are 24-25 such > horoscopes. Between any two successive horoscopes, only one planet > differs in its position. Hence, any up or down movement of SENSEX has to > be judged from one planet at a time, and only 2nd Bhaava needs to be > judged because market capitalization of all SENSEX companies is not a > perfect but a good indicator of national wealth . Between any two > successive horoscopes, sometimes other planets also change their their > properties, such as friendiness towards and aspect on 2nd bhaava, house > ownerships, relations & c. But such complexities are rare. Thus, the > method is simple. Draw horoscopes for the meridians of Bombay and > compare the combined movement of stock prices of topmost companies with > astrological charts : one will find startling correspondences. Such > correspondences will be more visible if the changes in combined index > are large. > > 25 horoscopes will produce only 25 cusps and troughs in the curve during > 10 am and 4 pm, but in reality there are many more variations, which are > mostly minor and are due to horoscopes to individual companies and their > owners. > > If 2nd bhaava is not under effective control of its lord, then impact of > other planets becomes significant, and aspects of all planets on 2nd > bhaava according to their friendliness or unfriendliness must be > considered in detail. > > A few days' or a few weeks' exercize in comparing stock indices with > astrological charts will make one expert in judging the QUANTITY of > impact a planet makes on a given bhaava. This experience will help in > other fields of astrology as well. Analysis of continuous graph of > SENSEX will be useful in gaining a quantitative astrological intuition > otherwise almost impossible. > > Comparison of two entirely different horoscopes does not help in this > regard, because the differences are too many and it is often difficult > to guess which factor led to the overall result. But analysis of > continuous Time Series (eg, SENSEX index) provides an opportunity to > analyse impacts of individual changes in horoscopes. It is the easiest > way to learn practical astrology (not only stock-astrology but all > astrology). Please reread this last para seriously. > > Here, I am discussing only Day Trading. Long term economic-astology has > been discussed by me in earlier threads few months ago, explained in > some Hindi articles on web. > > All schools of astrology have their plus points, but it is not because > all of them are equally perfect. The reason is that all of them > originated directly or indirectly from same archaic source which was > religious, intuitive and holistic, unlike the empirical-logical mathod > of moderners. > > It is futile to waste one's time over argumentation over physical versus > non-physical planets. Test of the pudding lies in tasting it. > > -VJ > ============ ========= ===== > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Vinay Jha & others > > > > Thank you very much for further inputs from yourside. > > > > I started on a research on the subject as I was also a very active > participant in the daily stock trading and still holds DP accounts. So I > have a first hand experience & knowledge of practical issues of trading > for a common person. > > > > Unfortunately could not do much on the astrogical part due to heavy > distractions, either from my own business or people comming to see me > with their problems. Ultimately I was forced to set is aside the work > since as you know finding answers to those in distress & helping them is > more important than this activity. > > > > Unlike in other countries, where the market is driven by strong > fundamentals, Indian market conditions varies if a politician just > smiles on the tv screen.. Till a few years back trading activity was > based on personal contacts. But new internet technologies has made it > easier to trade online due to which a lot of persons many having little > knowledge of the business came into the arena. Most of the companies > (Major Brokers) focused on trading volume than the participants profits > and hence issues many unrealistic trading tips, which evetually ended in > heavy loss to the commonor. > > > > This practicaly made trading in India a gamble than a prudent > investment or business activity. The sad part is that the Major brokers > knew what happens even when their clients are loosing money. They have > far more advanced softwares than what they provide their customers. > > > > However, atleast some of those companies has realised the mistake and > trying to regain the confidence of the small traders by providing more > realistic tips and infos and focusing on the profits made by these > ordinary members. > > > > Regarding the success rate on each day: > > > > In this regard I would like those who are either trading or doing > research watch the movement of Moon through 2 set of signs - Upachaya & > Anupachaya signs either from native moon / 2nd house / 11nth house / > their lords / venus / mercury / Jupiter for starters. Signs thus > involved and aspected by transiting jupiter or the above lords just > might hold the key for days profits or loss in trading. > > > > The above concepts (which is pure traditional astrological concept) > may have to watched over a few days trading and logged carefully. The > results may be much helpfull in real trading than theoritical works. > > > > I also would request Shree Vinay Jha to refrain from starting all over > again on " Physical " & His concept of astronomy, which does not help > practically any body. It would make sense to produce what the common > person shall understand and can use. > > > > regards > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > VJha vinayjhaa16@ ... > > > > Sat, October 17, 2009 9:33:05 PM > > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market > > > > > > To All, > > > > I was away for 3 months from all fora and had not read this thread > till > > now. Many astrologers have put in good ideas, and Shenoy Ji has done a > > good job to organize the discussion properly by classifying the > > sub-topics to some extent. > > > > Shenoy Ji writes : > > <<< In practical trading daily movement of sensex is of little help > > unless the movement changes sharply on the mid-day, which takes any > one > > by surprise and chances of loss is high.>>> > > > > This view is the majority view, ie, the view of those who have little > or > > no practical experience in real time Day Trading. Day Traders in all > > stock exchanges of the world employ myriads of stochastic and other > > techniques to make small profits at almost each up and down. > Experienced > > day traders prosper even in a recessing market, because the main > > principle of Day Trading is based not on overall loss or gain of index > > in a day or more, but on making profits at each small plus or minus > > change by means of selling when high and buying when low. There are 25 > > such chances per working day, and 15-20 of them may witness more than > > 0.25% difference in stock prices. Add them, and it makes 4-5% profit > per > > day, even if there is no major bullish or bearish activity. If there > are > > major changes, profits may be much more than 5%. > > > > Non-astrologers do not know why there are 25 ups plus downs per 6 > hours > > of working day. This strange phenomenon can be explained ONLY > > astrologically : there are about 25 distinct horoscopes during 6 hours > > due to nearly 25 transits of planets into various bhaavas. > > > > Thus, there are 25 distinct charts per working day for a given place, > > and each of them should be analyzed strictly according to standard > rules > > of phalita jyotisha. > > This technique is time-consuming, but it is ACCURATE, provided both > > Ganita and Phalita are based on original precepts of sages. > > > > This technique will give graph of ALL companies registered at a > > particular stock exchange, but can be roughly used to predict > behaviour > > of most effective companies, as grouped under Sensex or Nifty. One can > > use this technique to buy/sell shares of ALL 30 companies of Sensex > > simultaneously, because individual companies may differ from the > > combined graph and may cheat the investor due to different > astrological > > fate as ensuing from the horoscope of that company or of its chief > > owners. > > > > For mid-term and long-term investments, this technique is of no use : > > one must use national horoscopes of three types : annual chart of > Mesha > > Samkraanti, Nakshatra charts which work for about 14 days, and > > Shashtyamsha charts which work for about 12 hours. > > > > Now, market capitalization of topmost 30 or 50 companies account for a > > good part of national wealth in India, hence 2nd bhaava in national > > horoscope can be used to predict behaviour of Sensex or Nifty. > > > > I have tested above ideas successfully. But if the investor's personal > > fate is not good, planetary propitiation must be performed before > doing > > anything in this field. > > > > Shenoy ji puts forth a good question : " How do we find the days on > which > > he is likely to make profits or loss? " > > > > The answer depends upon the accuracy of analysis of stocks as well as > of > > one'e own charts. In personal charts, most influential factors are > > Vimshottsri plus Varshaphala+ Maasaphala. If the praana-dahsaa of a > given > > planet lasts for many days, exact timing of its chief effect can be > > determined from the ratio of its degrees (foorgetting the raashi) to > 30 > > degrees and getting the same ratio in the duration of that > > praana-dashaa. . Gochara helps further in exact timing of events. > > > > All astrologers in this thread already know the rudimentary concepts > > outlined above, but the problem arises from application of PHYSICAL > > astronomy which can never be cured on internet. > > > > -Vinay Jha > > ============ === === > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " > > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vijay Rajput & Vinay Jha, > > > > > > I have to thank both of you posting the info regarding work on stock > > movements > > > > > > I aware that the research on the subject is time consuming and > tedious > > job. > > > > > > However, I think there are 2 basic issues that need to addressed. > > > > > > 1) daily movemnt of sensex along with sectoral indices. > > > 2) Individual compatability with trading prospects in general > > > 3) individuals daily rate of success or failure (profit /loss). > > > > > > In practical trading daily movement of sensex is of little help > unless > > the movement changes sharply on the mid-day, which takes any one by > > surprise and chances of loss is high. > > > > > > How de we determine with certainity that an individual shall be > > successfull in trading business? this does not involve long term > > investments, but pure trading activity. > > > > > > Even if an individual is so compatable, he need make profit every > day. > > How do we find the days on which he is likely to make profits or loss? > > > > > > If we can find a resonable answer with atleast 60 to 70% of success > > rate, it would be helpfull to many ordinary citizens who venture into > > stock market expecting to make quick bucks. > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Vijay Rajput vijayrajput13@ ... > > > > > > Sat, October 17, 2009 3:50:11 PM > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashantji,Krishnan ji and Sureshji,Namste, > > > Happy Diwali to you and you family members. > > > > > > As Jupiter is in direct motion Bank Nifty,Reality, and > infrastructures > > are moving as predicted in the earlier post.Today Sun is moved in to > > tula rasi and you will see some fall in the market and this may > continue > > for one or two trading sessions.As sun gives it's results at entry of > > the sign.Further move in the Bank stocks/BankNifty is likely in the > 1st > > week of Nov 2009.Particapation in the market will also impove in this > > week.Inester' s sentiments is going to improve in next moon as ketu > will > > move out of Karka rasi..Ketu in karka harmed the market sentimentaly. > > > All the best > > > Take Care > > > Vijay > > > > > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > Saturday, October 3, 2009, 2:56 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > The Sensex touching 17000 can not be considered as a guide for the > > improvement of trading.. > > > > > > Mars into a water sign ruled by Moon is bound to give jitters..being > a > > festival season,with fears of famine.due to short fall of rains are > > bound to have impact on sentiments. > > > > > > Globallly finances in stocks has not chnaged much.mainly mutual > funds > > happened to be main attaractions has still not raised hopes for > > investor.Realty sector yet waiting for bank incentives.Even banks too > > starved for advances.Private sector except communications. chemiclas > and > > where Govt holds major stakes is giving hopes.Thanx to our strong > > economic base that is sparing the Govt tradings. > > > > > > At this point of time till jupiter moves direct a cautious approach > > need to be exercised. > > > > > > One exception:For those daily tarding is their stuff they can be > > relentless as profits and losses go hand in hand.Beware speculation > are > > guided by one's strength of 8th house aknown malefic house. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > wrote: > > > > > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > > > > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, October 3, 2009, 10:18 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay > > > > > > it is a good post but will like u to apply this for a week coming > Next > > monday or the week after on the said principles and make ur forecast > and > > ideal is to do it for the entire month week wise and this will cover > the > > sun entry into Libra also so 2 weeks in Librta can also be studied a > > practical series of 3-4 weeks is a welcome one > > > > > > as it is a known fact that Mkts can't be really predicted by even > the > > best of expeets else why will we have the crisis that engulfed the > world > > in this magnitude at least a indication knowing it will happen this > bad > > was not said leave alone the %age > > > > > > u can see in some groups a few members r trying to predict the same > > with the Sankranti yr model or sankranti Purusha, the aditipatis for > > diff sectors and not much has happened to that on the 1st occassion > 2nd > > one is mixed. > > > > > > orashant > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > Vijay Rajput <vijayrajput13@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, October 3, 2009 4:14:40 PM > > > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > Dear Satya Ji,Namaste, > > > > > > Past 2-3 years I am tracking the stock market by using the basic > > principle of Vedic Astrology.My guru is helping me much in this > > regard.In the month of April On 9th April 2009 while answering a query > I > > have predicted the short term bull run in the stock market after the > > transit of Jupiter. > > > > > > Again in the month of June I have predicted the consolidation of > > market and good rise in market is likely after 15th Oct 2009. > > > > > > Now how to use astrology is important.The boss of speculation is > > Saturn so closely watch the movement of Sat. > > > > > > Jupiter is dhanad it's movement and good position always indicates > the > > liquidity in the market and you may be knowing at present only > liquidity > > and speculation is driving the market.Monthly movement is to be seen > by > > the move ment of Sun and sun gives the results at its entry.For day to > > day movement the move ment of Moon is very Important.And to track the > > intra day movement,the movement of Moon in D-60 is very Important and > it > > can ve used for the movement of market.The navamsa position of planets > > gives the sector wise movement. > > > > > > In the coming period Jupiter and Mars will be sitting opposite to > each > > other during this period you will see the sharp move in > > Banking,Realityand Infrastructure sectors.Watch the Bank Nifty. > > > > > > You can draw the Nifty Future's chart and use the daily transit on > > this chart. > > > > > > Even you can cast the individual chart of stocks. > > > > > > All the best > > > > > > Take care > > > > > > Vijay > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/28/09, Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > @ . . com > > > > > > Monday, September 28, 2009, 10:09 AM > > > > > > Hello Sathya Ji, > > > > > > Financial Astrology and particulalrly Stock trading is an emerging > > concept.A couple of seminars have been held here there and some > writers > > have also contributes articles in express Star teller. > > > > > > After economic rforms when privatisation on large scale with PPPs > ,JVs > > and Venture Capital coming into existence the trade and economics was > > undergoing sea change. > > > > > > And to upset the calculations, the war like situatins,monopoly of > oil > > producing contries have taken away sheen in the trade market. > > > > > > with huge success in Indian trade of mutual funds in India > Astrologers > > basing financial Institutions performance and with blue chips of > Larsen > > & Tubro,Tata, Relinace and Birla etc the speculation gianed lot of > > importance as the risk has increased.These major industries suddenly > > went behind screen with realty sector and DLF coming into picture. > > > > > > It is now certain,value of shares continue to hover around 5-6 major > > secctors like land,Reality, Pharma,steel, cement and other > constructions > > industries. > > > > > > Apart from,Jupiter, venus,and Mercury,mars to has it's role in share > > market. > > > > > > we hear about Bulls and bears.Bearish tency is always when > visionaries > > get combust mainly during amvasya days. > > > > > > Nodes too have role in sudden spurts in share values.The moon waxing > > is an indication for once investment to give return. > > > > > > But short term and long term invest definetely has to be based on > the > > traditional view of slow moving palnets(Saturn, Jupiter and Vneus) and > > short term the main trade is based on moon,mars and mercury. > > > > > > when mercury conjunct,combust one has to be careful in putchasing > > stocks.Buying is investment and the trading has to be done on day to > day > > basis looking into moons brightness other wise.the timing too has to > be > > decided when sun is almost free from any malefic aspects. > > > > > > Sudden gains are always based on 8th house including horses > > races,lotteries and windfalls..8th t0 8th that is 3rd also > > trade,commerce and communication for disposals. > > > > > > 5th known to be house of intution has a major role intrading of > > stcocks. 11th bhava income house and 2nd for wealth when afflicted in > > natal chart one has to be very cautious in netering stcok markets. > > > > > > In traidng of stcoks losses are inherent,role of 12th house can > never > > be discounted .malefics in 12th always represent heavy losses.Benifics > > may help in minimising losses.Thes fundamentals of Astrology cannever > be > > ignored. > > > > > > Commodity specifics lke ketu for pharmas,venus for building.saturn > for > > steel,Sun for Gold,mercury for chemicals and mars for land etc > indicate > > their importance. > > > > > > Mind dual houses represented by pisces9watery sign) gemini(airy > sign) > > virgo (earthy sign) and finally sagittarus(fiery sign) throw light on > > the nature of commodities also.Precious metals and stomes are always > > looked from 1,7and9 and buildings.2, 6 & 10,chemicals/ pahrma3,7 and > > 11.Allwatery signs for cold sotages,beverages and thermal equipment > etc. > > > > > > Some studies and guidance cane be obatained from pranavasramam. . > > org.Some books written on the subject have yet to gain currency.Visit > to > > Bhavan's university Book Store in Delhi and sagar publications may > help > > as titles can be seen.writer who have brought out publications both in > > Hindia and English may not be established writers. > > > > > > Last but not the least natives have 2-3 retrograde planets require > > caution in vest ments.however scripts for immediate gains can be > > traded.Having good jupiter karak for wealth can take risks and like > wise > > venus dasa and exalted venus in pisces can go in for any type of > > trading.dasa of rahu ,Sade sati,trading in limited way may be done if > > moon is not debilitated or weak. > > > > > > EXpress Star Teller has brought out some articles written by JUB > > Sastry and other whcich are of help. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > --- On Sat, 9/26/09, sathya <rainbow_in> wrote: > > > > > > sathya <rainbow_in> > > > > > > can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: bursar_99 > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009, 2:55 AM > > > > > > hello., > > > > > > Can the most learned seniors & experts show some way > > > > > > to apply astrology on Stock market. > > > > > > what are the reasons and how the planetary position will take the > > Stock Market up and what combination' s will make the Stock market > come > > down. > > > > > > what are the sectors which can rise and as of now till what time can > > be upside bull market can sustain, > > > > > > Pls advice me some good books on using Astrology in Stock market, > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > sathya > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Dear All, //Astrology as a tool needs redesigning and reinvention.// It is not redesigning or reinvention that is required, but proper understaning of the roots and realigning them with the changing world. There are lot of difference between the first idea and the second. speaking of roots, it is very clear how much of it is properly understood from the post of a learned member about his doubt regarding jupiter & money. //As an Investor i consult professional in jyotish who knows several things and also venture setting aside risks.Hoping Venus,Jupiter and Mercury by way of some yoga will lend their support.It is nice if the sensex takes note and improves the share value and otherwise,the hope sinks and Investor gets shock.It is trading that makes tricks in today's scripts.// I am not very sure of what shree krishna ji is implying here. However it seems that he is implying at the wrong predictions of " professional astrologers " if consulted about the aquisition of wealth through trading activity. It is not the astrology that is wrong here but analysis and logic by that " professional astrologer " . In a prasna it is a basic dictom to look at afflictions in the 2nd house and 11nth house for gains of wealth & also 12th house - losses. The need of astrology is to reveal the " Unknown & Unforeseen " factors, whatever be the reasons responcible. There is no point in blaming the stock market if the said astrologer failed to interpret these basic conditions. The relationship of 8th house/lord can surely bring about unforeseen losses. Astrology or " Jyotisha " jyoti + ksha is said to be a ray of light in the dark and that is what astrologers are supposed to provide. If they fail, it is not the system to be blamed but system of learning. Today it has become much easier to study or research in astrology. I a second with the " press of button " , you get 1000's of data on a chart which other wise would have taken at 2 to 3 days of effort. But this has brought up other negatives as well. Astrologers got less & less familiar with the roots of astrology and their knowledge now can only be termed superficial. Even the best of astrologers can make mistakes and do mistakes but that should never be deterent for studing and research. There is an old saying, " if you don't know dancing don't blame the stage " . Let the dancing be done by the stocks & markets? A good fisherman knows how to hunt in troubled waters. Be it bull run or bearish run, he knows when to switch his trading method and make money. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. ________________________________ Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 Sun, October 18, 2009 7:55:19 PM Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Dear Shri Tripathy Ji, Nice that we recognise the need of Value in our system and also of the view that one who balance the adharma and dharma as well as spirtual instinct as against material instinct. we also now come to recognise how forces in society bring into the copetetiveness by way of trading to give values to our investment. As persons well versed in Astrology and also trying to make out our own interpretation of the classics enunciated possibly we might go wrong.with the passage of time,certainly jyotish needs a relook in assimilating classicals as per the need of the hour.In the Internet age,every thing we wish in push button mode.Also the highest order of Intelligence and wisdom given to the Homo sapiens in toto can take up any task and unravel with the aid of technology.Yet the question remains how far the socity gets benifit out of such exercise. Today the gigantic every one of us is race against the time and the availability of resources be it natural or man made.what ever logistics put in place do not really help an ordinary and common man.His needs are very limited and he awaits for his wishes to be fulfilled.Astrology as a tool needs redesigning and reinvention. Today trading is a self employment and people are willing to take for small brokerages and commissions. Investors want value for their monies after paying govt dues by way of taxes to contribute to the nations development. Companiesin the course of their working opt for mergers,acquisit ions and joint ventures are making things more dynamic.These dynamics have to be kept in mind and the role of share holder is never taken into confidence. As an Investor i consult professional in jyotish who knows several things and also venture setting aside risks.Hoping Venus,Jupiter and Mercury by way of some yoga will lend their support.It is nice if the sensex takes note and improves the share value and otherwise,the hope sinks and Investor gets shock.It is trading that makes tricks in today's scripts. Money is Money as Shri Suresh ji has mentioned in one of his mails whether it is currency in red/white/black. The most desirable liquid asset as known in commercial paralance is hunted ,treasured and invested.The value of such liquid asset is determined in wall street or by sensex.There are red caps vigilant to put tabs on trading but found to be helpless once huge monies were lost and siphoned off to invest else where.we no doubt appreciate human intelligence whther done by a DOn or by Mr Parekh..But the loosers of valuble possessions are deprived of their daily bread.we now need to work out a mechanism in an understandable way in jyotish to provide guidance on shre markets.this is a quest and so the brains have to join together and promote the nascent ideas. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) --- On Sun, 10/18/09, Pk Tripathy <pktripathy89@ > wrote: Pk Tripathy <pktripathy89@ > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Cc: pktripathy89@ Sunday, October 18, 2009, 9:41 AM Dear Gentlemen, Interesting topic.Lot many things have been stored which could be seen if we really move on unravelling ancient records. For first instance, take out any companies DOR and feed it correctly with the cusp-bhava analysis as narrated in KP and again feed it into transit-natal planetary influence carefully, then you are getting astro-trend of ready sharevalue of that particular commodity. You all agree, what we generally lack within us the adequate deep-going attitude in perceiving ancient vision and blame the sacred rishis, what ever they have found out only due to their meditation power, these so-called modern techies will take another thousands of years to unravell. To Mr. Suresh Babu: I doubt if any where is mentioned jupitar is for real money? Plsease verify the records and kindly confirm me in which text it is mentioned. Reg. Dharma-adharma topic, as narrated by Mr. Prashant and countered by Suresh Babu,I would like to say that this is not today, this is perhaps since the creation of universe, and that is perhaps, the play of almighty with his greedy,conservative amd most loving human creature. If you go back to any yugas, you will find there is huge gap of material instinct and spiritual instinct of human being and to make down the apex material instinct individual , God himself has to take step with giving birth to an apex spiritual instinct individual and through Him, He make the balance of spiritual and material instinct and then make the peace to be flown down to the earth. So, this is a cycle and this is not our burden and this is the creator's burden. What we do, is that, to carry out our assignment with most sacred desire. With best wishes, P K Tripathy. ____________ _________ _________ __ Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > @ . .com Sun, October 18, 2009 3:33:58 PM Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Dear Prashant ji & others, If you look at the economic breakdown scenario, Economics has been taught from school to postgraduation & P.Hd levels and its is those who graduated from high levels that caused the present break down. All that they taught & practiced so far resulted in failure. Can we undermine the responcibilities of these institutions to have taught worthless information & churned out equally useless MBA's & phd's? did the present example change the curiculam of these institutions. Perhaps it changed the value of such degrees without real maket exposure and many companies are vewing them with sceptism. We can go on & on talking about economics & economies and how the companies & politicians cheat the public and lament about our helplessness in the matter. But will it help in any way? My point is very simple & direct. Given that there are many dynamics that govern the stock market ranging from international to local, calamities to poli-tricks, We are living in todays world and we have to look at our options in the prespectiveness. But the assumptioms that sages would not have known about about adharmic practices or black / white / red money is nothing but unrealistic. Otherwise how could they write so much about adharma unless they had known about it? You have to know about it to have written something. All our scriptures differentiate dharma & adharma at various levels. So instead of the above it would be better if we can focus on What can Astrology provide them by way of guidence? And encourage those who are doing intensive work on the subject It is a fact that one can make enough profits from share market and it is always tempting and the kind of trading depends on the capacity to take risks depending on temperament and well as financial capacity. Those who have very weak 2nd house & 9th house should stay away from risky trading practices. So also if Venus is afflicted by Saturn. Trading is also an attribute of 7th house. So 2nd- financial strength, backing from family etc, 7th Trading, 9th-Bhagya & long term investments, 10th (main activity) , 11nth - profits or 12th losses. I am adding the contents of a mail sent personaly to a question regarding Shares & lotteries. ------------ ------- Share is a share in firm / company. It is not a lottery. When you purchase a share however small it is, you are becoming a partner of the company. However, it is also wealth in the form of a paper / aggreement / document and is not real money or wealth. Every related to paper /documents/aggreeme nts etc are related to mercury, while real money is related to Jupiter. Hence, we can say that share trading is also trading of paper money, which means mercury is the significator here. There are two type of trading. One is pure trading and other is investment. But the Main Karaka for trading is Venus. while investments again is the perview of Jupiter. So all these three Jupiter (Investments) , Venus (Trading) & mercury (Paper money-shares) are indicators. So pure trading in shares can be attributed to Venus & Mercury Investements is share could be attributed to Jupiter & Mercury But it is no way connected to lotteries. ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - The above also may help in some way. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > Sun, October 18, 2009 1:52:54 PM Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Dear Krishna ji I thinkl the black and whiote currences can be reflected in the dharmic or adharmic earning streams ina individual, organisation, nations charts isnt it and as said earlier also if a person gains there is also a person or few who do lose fromthe same script by selling isnt it it can be a gain in value to tbe buyer or fall in value to th seller that can tilt the actual gainers here. the value systems [yoga dharma] is governed by the pouplace in gen as now governances is by the masses, than the soverign authorities. we get the leaders we deserve corrupt ppl elect corrupt leaders. so the currenices are equally corrupt and trhey dictate the course of the business climate, market trends witht e fundementals quiteoften having no role if the govt is on a shaky wicket that period so is the mkkt no fundamentals of the TOP 30 companies can resuce it. and as the old adage goes if America has cold rest of the world has pnuemonia is still valied in USD pegged global ecconomy its debts its deficit, interest rate trends dictate the global piicture still so we need to study US chart like the rasi chart and any other country's chart as complimentorychart to get good direction in this the closing of US mkt will give the trends to EAST ASIAN ECCONOMIES NEXT DAY and they appear to run almost close to heels and throws its weight on Our markets as well. prashant http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 ____________ _________ _________ __ Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > Sun, October 18, 2009 12:22:46 PM Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Dear Friends Our subha muhurta chintamani that give details about Amritadi Ananda yogas and tara bala that form part of " This is a basic knowledge that Astrology in its most practical form can do. " can be taken advatage for stock market All these are general guidelines and their relevance to stock markets specifically to share market is neither required nor appropriate in any way. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) --- On Sun, 10/18/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Sunday, October 18, 2009, 2:35 AM Dear Vinay jha, //It is futile to waste one's time over argumentation over physical versus non-physical planets. Test of the pudding lies in tasting it..// perfectly said. What could be tasted should also be palatable. You have a taken a different road than others. Only furture & reality shall reveal which one is more correct and easy. An ordinary person sitting at his home trading will never be able to assess the kind of data(s) you are talking about and with your " arguments " of " physical & non-physcal planets " . This is the basic point you are missing in your logic. So let us forget about your conviction on PNP planets, if you don't mind, for the time being. Consider every one here as fools & ignorent. They have only a calender and basic Rasi & Navamsa chart with them. Can your model provide any pointers to them that they shall loose money on this particular day or they shall gain even after a few days, if they invest on those days..? This is a basic knowledge that Astrology in its most practical form can do. It is only commonsense that if any model require non-available data to work correctly, it will not make any sense or is practical. Hence, it is better to gather the available data and try to find a working model from those data. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. ____________ _________ _________ __ VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > Sun, October 18, 2009 7:23:53 AM Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market To Shenoy Ji and others : It is good to know that Shenoy Ji has some (or more) experience in Day Trading. He knows that earning 5-10% profit per day in stock trading cannot be a norm, but is only the theoretical limit. All stock experts and interested astrologers seek to find out means to realize this limit. Shenoy Ji rightly says : " I don't think it is correct to say that economics does not have a firm base in astrology " . Two years ago, I finished work on 55 years of India national income growth rate data provoded by Finance Minister's Economic Surveys, and found it to be PERFECTLY in tune with astrology. Later, I started working on stock markets. But till now, I am not able to assert that stock markets work 100% according to astrological precepts, because I lack data about horoscopes of companies and their owners. It is not a shortcoming of astrology. But 90% of all significant ups and downs in daily movement of stocks of all major companies taken as a whole works in harmony with astrology : it is a conclusion of research and not merely a passing observation. I disagree with Shenoy Ji's remark : " it is not very easy and needs huge efforts to bring out a working model. .......the work so far done has not even touched the base of this subject. " I possess the working model. But unfortunately, instead of testing this model practically, many astrologers are rejecting its n0n-physical planets. Instead of wasting time over arguments, is it not good to test a thing? But even one day's stock movement needs 25-33 horoscopes to be discussed, and my past experience with rain research shows that all my works in these fora will be unheeded. Rohiniranjan Ji was right in saying that internet is not fit for serious research : he has more experience of internet than me. Let me explain my model here. If one planet moves from one bhaava to another, a new horoscope is produced. During 6 hours of BSE workday, there are 24-25 such horoscopes. Between any two successive horoscopes, only one planet differs in its position. Hence, any up or down movement of SENSEX has to be judged from one planet at a time, and only 2nd Bhaava needs to be judged because market capitalization of all SENSEX companies is not a perfect but a good indicator of national wealth . Between any two successive horoscopes, sometimes other planets also change their their properties, such as friendiness towards and aspect on 2nd bhaava, house ownerships, relations & c. But such complexities are rare. Thus, the method is simple. Draw horoscopes for the meridians of Bombay and compare the combined movement of stock prices of topmost companies with astrological charts : one will find startling correspondences. Such correspondences will be more visible if the changes in combined index are large. 25 horoscopes will produce only 25 cusps and troughs in the curve during 10 am and 4 pm, but in reality there are many more variations, which are mostly minor and are due to horoscopes to individual companies and their owners. If 2nd bhaava is not under effective control of its lord, then impact of other planets becomes significant, and aspects of all planets on 2nd bhaava according to their friendliness or unfriendliness must be considered in detail. A few days' or a few weeks' exercize in comparing stock indices with astrological charts will make one expert in judging the QUANTITY of impact a planet makes on a given bhaava. This experience will help in other fields of astrology as well. Analysis of continuous graph of SENSEX will be useful in gaining a quantitative astrological intuition otherwise almost impossible. Comparison of two entirely different horoscopes does not help in this regard, because the differences are too many and it is often difficult to guess which factor led to the overall result. But analysis of continuous Time Series (eg, SENSEX index) provides an opportunity to analyse impacts of individual changes in horoscopes. It is the easiest way to learn practical astrology (not only stock-astrology but all astrology). Please reread this last para seriously. Here, I am discussing only Day Trading. Long term economic-astology has been discussed by me in earlier threads few months ago, explained in some Hindi articles on web. All schools of astrology have their plus points, but it is not because all of them are equally perfect. The reason is that all of them originated directly or indirectly from same archaic source which was religious, intuitive and holistic, unlike the empirical-logical mathod of moderners. It is futile to waste one's time over argumentation over physical versus non-physical planets. Test of the pudding lies in tasting it. -VJ ============ ========= ===== , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Vinay Jha & others > > Thank you very much for further inputs from yourside. > > I started on a research on the subject as I was also a very active participant in the daily stock trading and still holds DP accounts. So I have a first hand experience & knowledge of practical issues of trading for a common person. > > Unfortunately could not do much on the astrogical part due to heavy distractions, either from my own business or people comming to see me with their problems. Ultimately I was forced to set is aside the work since as you know finding answers to those in distress & helping them is more important than this activity. > > Unlike in other countries, where the market is driven by strong fundamentals, Indian market conditions varies if a politician just smiles on the tv screen.. Till a few years back trading activity was based on personal contacts. But new internet technologies has made it easier to trade online due to which a lot of persons many having little knowledge of the business came into the arena. Most of the companies (Major Brokers) focused on trading volume than the participants profits and hence issues many unrealistic trading tips, which evetually ended in heavy loss to the commonor. > > This practicaly made trading in India a gamble than a prudent investment or business activity. The sad part is that the Major brokers knew what happens even when their clients are loosing money. They have far more advanced softwares than what they provide their customers. > > However, atleast some of those companies has realised the mistake and trying to regain the confidence of the small traders by providing more realistic tips and infos and focusing on the profits made by these ordinary members. > > Regarding the success rate on each day: > > In this regard I would like those who are either trading or doing research watch the movement of Moon through 2 set of signs - Upachaya & Anupachaya signs either from native moon / 2nd house / 11nth house / their lords / venus / mercury / Jupiter for starters. Signs thus involved and aspected by transiting jupiter or the above lords just might hold the key for days profits or loss in trading. > > The above concepts (which is pure traditional astrological concept) may have to watched over a few days trading and logged carefully. The results may be much helpfull in real trading than theoritical works. > > I also would request Shree Vinay Jha to refrain from starting all over again on " Physical " & His concept of astronomy, which does not help practically any body. It would make sense to produce what the common person shall understand and can use. > > regards > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > VJha vinayjhaa16@ ... > > Sat, October 17, 2009 9:33:05 PM > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market > > > To All, > > I was away for 3 months from all fora and had not read this thread till > now. Many astrologers have put in good ideas, and Shenoy Ji has done a > good job to organize the discussion properly by classifying the > sub-topics to some extent. > > Shenoy Ji writes : > <<< In practical trading daily movement of sensex is of little help > unless the movement changes sharply on the mid-day, which takes any one > by surprise and chances of loss is high.>>> > > This view is the majority view, ie, the view of those who have little or > no practical experience in real time Day Trading. Day Traders in all > stock exchanges of the world employ myriads of stochastic and other > techniques to make small profits at almost each up and down. Experienced > day traders prosper even in a recessing market, because the main > principle of Day Trading is based not on overall loss or gain of index > in a day or more, but on making profits at each small plus or minus > change by means of selling when high and buying when low. There are 25 > such chances per working day, and 15-20 of them may witness more than > 0.25% difference in stock prices. Add them, and it makes 4-5% profit per > day, even if there is no major bullish or bearish activity. If there are > major changes, profits may be much more than 5%. > > Non-astrologers do not know why there are 25 ups plus downs per 6 hours > of working day. This strange phenomenon can be explained ONLY > astrologically : there are about 25 distinct horoscopes during 6 hours > due to nearly 25 transits of planets into various bhaavas. > > Thus, there are 25 distinct charts per working day for a given place, > and each of them should be analyzed strictly according to standard rules > of phalita jyotisha. > This technique is time-consuming, but it is ACCURATE, provided both > Ganita and Phalita are based on original precepts of sages. > > This technique will give graph of ALL companies registered at a > particular stock exchange, but can be roughly used to predict behaviour > of most effective companies, as grouped under Sensex or Nifty. One can > use this technique to buy/sell shares of ALL 30 companies of Sensex > simultaneously, because individual companies may differ from the > combined graph and may cheat the investor due to different astrological > fate as ensuing from the horoscope of that company or of its chief > owners. > > For mid-term and long-term investments, this technique is of no use : > one must use national horoscopes of three types : annual chart of Mesha > Samkraanti, Nakshatra charts which work for about 14 days, and > Shashtyamsha charts which work for about 12 hours. > > Now, market capitalization of topmost 30 or 50 companies account for a > good part of national wealth in India, hence 2nd bhaava in national > horoscope can be used to predict behaviour of Sensex or Nifty. > > I have tested above ideas successfully. But if the investor's personal > fate is not good, planetary propitiation must be performed before doing > anything in this field. > > Shenoy ji puts forth a good question : " How do we find the days on which > he is likely to make profits or loss? " > > The answer depends upon the accuracy of analysis of stocks as well as of > one'e own charts. In personal charts, most influential factors are > Vimshottsri plus Varshaphala+ Maasaphala. If the praana-dahsaa of a given > planet lasts for many days, exact timing of its chief effect can be > determined from the ratio of its degrees (foorgetting the raashi) to 30 > degrees and getting the same ratio in the duration of that > praana-dashaa. . Gochara helps further in exact timing of events. > > All astrologers in this thread already know the rudimentary concepts > outlined above, but the problem arises from application of PHYSICAL > astronomy which can never be cured on internet. > > -Vinay Jha > ============ === === > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Vijay Rajput & Vinay Jha, > > > > I have to thank both of you posting the info regarding work on stock > movements > > > > I aware that the research on the subject is time consuming and tedious > job. > > > > However, I think there are 2 basic issues that need to addressed. > > > > 1) daily movemnt of sensex along with sectoral indices. > > 2) Individual compatability with trading prospects in general > > 3) individuals daily rate of success or failure (profit /loss). > > > > In practical trading daily movement of sensex is of little help unless > the movement changes sharply on the mid-day, which takes any one by > surprise and chances of loss is high. > > > > How de we determine with certainity that an individual shall be > successfull in trading business? this does not involve long term > investments, but pure trading activity. > > > > Even if an individual is so compatable, he need make profit every day. > How do we find the days on which he is likely to make profits or loss? > > > > If we can find a resonable answer with atleast 60 to 70% of success > rate, it would be helpfull to many ordinary citizens who venture into > stock market expecting to make quick bucks. > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vijay Rajput vijayrajput13@ ... > > > > Sat, October 17, 2009 3:50:11 PM > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > Dear Prashantji,Krishnan ji and Sureshji,Namste, > > Happy Diwali to you and you family members. > > > > As Jupiter is in direct motion Bank Nifty,Reality, and infrastructures > are moving as predicted in the earlier post.Today Sun is moved in to > tula rasi and you will see some fall in the market and this may continue > for one or two trading sessions.As sun gives it's results at entry of > the sign.Further move in the Bank stocks/BankNifty is likely in the 1st > week of Nov 2009.Particapation in the market will also impove in this > week.Inester' s sentiments is going to improve in next moon as ketu will > move out of Karka rasi..Ketu in karka harmed the market sentimentaly. > > All the best > > Take Care > > Vijay > > > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > Saturday, October 3, 2009, 2:56 PM > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > The Sensex touching 17000 can not be considered as a guide for the > improvement of trading.. > > > > Mars into a water sign ruled by Moon is bound to give jitters..being a > festival season,with fears of famine.due to short fall of rains are > bound to have impact on sentiments. > > > > Globallly finances in stocks has not chnaged much.mainly mutual funds > happened to be main attaractions has still not raised hopes for > investor.Realty sector yet waiting for bank incentives.Even banks too > starved for advances.Private sector except communications. chemiclas and > where Govt holds major stakes is giving hopes.Thanx to our strong > economic base that is sparing the Govt tradings. > > > > At this point of time till jupiter moves direct a cautious approach > need to be exercised. > > > > One exception:For those daily tarding is their stuff they can be > relentless as profits and losses go hand in hand.Beware speculation are > guided by one's strength of 8th house aknown malefic house. > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > wrote: > > > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > > > Saturday, October 3, 2009, 10:18 AM > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay > > > > it is a good post but will like u to apply this for a week coming Next > monday or the week after on the said principles and make ur forecast and > ideal is to do it for the entire month week wise and this will cover the > sun entry into Libra also so 2 weeks in Librta can also be studied a > practical series of 3-4 weeks is a welcome one > > > > as it is a known fact that Mkts can't be really predicted by even the > best of expeets else why will we have the crisis that engulfed the world > in this magnitude at least a indication knowing it will happen this bad > was not said leave alone the %age > > > > u can see in some groups a few members r trying to predict the same > with the Sankranti yr model or sankranti Purusha, the aditipatis for > diff sectors and not much has happened to that on the 1st occassion 2nd > one is mixed. > > > > orashant > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Vijay Rajput <vijayrajput13@ > > > > > > > > > Sat, October 3, 2009 4:14:40 PM > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > Dear Satya Ji,Namaste, > > > > Past 2-3 years I am tracking the stock market by using the basic > principle of Vedic Astrology.My guru is helping me much in this > regard.In the month of April On 9th April 2009 while answering a query I > have predicted the short term bull run in the stock market after the > transit of Jupiter. > > > > Again in the month of June I have predicted the consolidation of > market and good rise in market is likely after 15th Oct 2009. > > > > Now how to use astrology is important.The boss of speculation is > Saturn so closely watch the movement of Sat. > > > > Jupiter is dhanad it's movement and good position always indicates the > liquidity in the market and you may be knowing at present only liquidity > and speculation is driving the market.Monthly movement is to be seen by > the move ment of Sun and sun gives the results at its entry.For day to > day movement the move ment of Moon is very Important.And to track the > intra day movement,the movement of Moon in D-60 is very Important and it > can ve used for the movement of market.The navamsa position of planets > gives the sector wise movement. > > > > In the coming period Jupiter and Mars will be sitting opposite to each > other during this period you will see the sharp move in > Banking,Realityand Infrastructure sectors.Watch the Bank Nifty. > > > > You can draw the Nifty Future's chart and use the daily transit on > this chart. > > > > Even you can cast the individual chart of stocks. > > > > All the best > > > > Take care > > > > Vijay > > > > --- On Mon, 9/28/09, Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > @ . . com > > > > Monday, September 28, 2009, 10:09 AM > > > > Hello Sathya Ji, > > > > Financial Astrology and particulalrly Stock trading is an emerging > concept.A couple of seminars have been held here there and some writers > have also contributes articles in express Star teller. > > > > After economic rforms when privatisation on large scale with PPPs ,JVs > and Venture Capital coming into existence the trade and economics was > undergoing sea change. > > > > And to upset the calculations, the war like situatins,monopoly of oil > producing contries have taken away sheen in the trade market. > > > > with huge success in Indian trade of mutual funds in India Astrologers > basing financial Institutions performance and with blue chips of Larsen > & Tubro,Tata, Relinace and Birla etc the speculation gianed lot of > importance as the risk has increased.These major industries suddenly > went behind screen with realty sector and DLF coming into picture. > > > > It is now certain,value of shares continue to hover around 5-6 major > secctors like land,Reality, Pharma,steel, cement and other constructions > industries. > > > > Apart from,Jupiter, venus,and Mercury,mars to has it's role in share > market. > > > > we hear about Bulls and bears.Bearish tency is always when visionaries > get combust mainly during amvasya days. > > > > Nodes too have role in sudden spurts in share values.The moon waxing > is an indication for once investment to give return. > > > > But short term and long term invest definetely has to be based on the > traditional view of slow moving palnets(Saturn, Jupiter and Vneus) and > short term the main trade is based on moon,mars and mercury. > > > > when mercury conjunct,combust one has to be careful in putchasing > stocks.Buying is investment and the trading has to be done on day to day > basis looking into moons brightness other wise.the timing too has to be > decided when sun is almost free from any malefic aspects. > > > > Sudden gains are always based on 8th house including horses > races,lotteries and windfalls..8th t0 8th that is 3rd also > trade,commerce and communication for disposals. > > > > 5th known to be house of intution has a major role intrading of > stcocks. 11th bhava income house and 2nd for wealth when afflicted in > natal chart one has to be very cautious in netering stcok markets. > > > > In traidng of stcoks losses are inherent,role of 12th house can never > be discounted .malefics in 12th always represent heavy losses.Benifics > may help in minimising losses.Thes fundamentals of Astrology cannever be > ignored. > > > > Commodity specifics lke ketu for pharmas,venus for building.saturn for > steel,Sun for Gold,mercury for chemicals and mars for land etc indicate > their importance. > > > > Mind dual houses represented by pisces9watery sign) gemini(airy sign) > virgo (earthy sign) and finally sagittarus(fiery sign) throw light on > the nature of commodities also.Precious metals and stomes are always > looked from 1,7and9 and buildings.2, 6 & 10,chemicals/ pahrma3,7 and > 11.Allwatery signs for cold sotages,beverages and thermal equipment etc. > > > > Some studies and guidance cane be obatained from pranavasramam. . > org.Some books written on the subject have yet to gain currency.Visit to > Bhavan's university Book Store in Delhi and sagar publications may help > as titles can be seen.writer who have brought out publications both in > Hindia and English may not be established writers. > > > > Last but not the least natives have 2-3 retrograde planets require > caution in vest ments.however scripts for immediate gains can be > traded.Having good jupiter karak for wealth can take risks and like wise > venus dasa and exalted venus in pisces can go in for any type of > trading.dasa of rahu ,Sade sati,trading in limited way may be done if > moon is not debilitated or weak. > > > > EXpress Star Teller has brought out some articles written by JUB > Sastry and other whcich are of help. > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > --- On Sat, 9/26/09, sathya <rainbow_in> wrote: > > > > sathya <rainbow_in> > > > > can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > > > Cc: bursar_99 > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009, 2:55 AM > > > > hello., > > > > Can the most learned seniors & experts show some way > > > > to apply astrology on Stock market. > > > > what are the reasons and how the planetary position will take the > Stock Market up and what combination' s will make the Stock market come > down. > > > > what are the sectors which can rise and as of now till what time can > be upside bull market can sustain, > > > > Pls advice me some good books on using Astrology in Stock market, > > > > thanks > > > > sathya > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Dear Vinay jha, What prashant ji, hinted is that Indian stock market is also dependent on the International stock markets, which I hinted earlier. NYSE & NASDAC etc open by about afternoon (our time) and closes at night. The trend in those exchanges reflect in the moring session and again in the afternoon. Similarly, honkong, china, british markets also have a role in determining the sentiments of traders here and reflects in the sensex. These some of the reasons for cyclic movements of stock on each day. It is also a common knowledge that the graph changes every one hr approximately, irrespective of the market conditions. The total level may go up or go down. but the wave form will definetly be there. That is the sign of trading activity. When the price goes up they start selling so it comes down and when it come down, someone starts buying hence it starts going up. If the sentiments & fundamentals are good, it stays on its upward trend till ut reaches it top limit governed by other factors. Bulk investment of selling by mutual funds and FDI etc are responcible for changes in individual stocks. Monthly closing of F & O (Futures & Options) on the last thursday of the month is also day to reckoned and is very important. What takes an ordinary investor by surprise is the lack of knowledge of this activity which happens behind the scenes and so quickly that by the time he comes to know about, the value of stock he holds may have changed a lot. However, as pointed by me, there are sofisticated softwares that track such bulk trading and alert the traders. These are used by big guns in the field and is not awailable to the small trader. Stock markets also have their own graphical analysis systems that are highly advanced and successfull on normal working conditions. These are informations on stock trading and is freely awailable through numerous websites We need not be concerned by the above in our efforts to link astrology with stock markets. but its knowledge surely helps. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ________________________________ VJha <vinayjhaa16 Sun, October 18, 2009 8:29:45 PM Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Prashant Ji, <<<the closing of US mkt will give the trends to EAST ASIAN ECCONOMIES NEXT DAY and they appear to run almost close to heels and throws its weight on Our markets as well.>>> I am working on BSE now, and I will later try to work along the line suggested by you : about comparing NYSE with BSE next day. -VJ ============ ========= = ===== , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > kalyaswavikramagrih apratibhaakShata ani > chittotharandraguru maanabhavavyayaa ni. > lagnaacchaturthanid hane chaturasrasaM~ ne > dyuunaM cha saptamagrihaM dashamarkshamaa~ naa.. > swam = dhanam > > kaalaatmaa dinakrinmnastuuhina guuH satwaM kujo ~no vacho > jiivo ~naanasukhe sitashcha madano dukhaM dineshaatmajo. > raajaanau ravishiitaguu kshitisuto netaa kumaaro budhaH > suuriddaanavapuujit aashcha sachivau preShyaH sahasraaMshujaH. . > jeevo= gjnaa & sukh > > putrajanmavipattibh yaam n paraM sukhaduHkhayoH > tasmaaddehaarogyavi ttaputrabudhyaad isvaruupo jiivaH > > guruNaa dehapuShTiH syaat biddhiputraarttasaM oadaH.. > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Pk Tripathy pktripathy89@ ... > > Cc: pktripathy89@ ... > Sun, October 18, 2009 7:11:07 PM > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market > > > Dear Gentlemen, > > Interesting topic.Lot many things have been stored which could be seen if we really move on unravelling ancient records. For first instance, take out any companies DOR and feed it correctly with the cusp-bhava analysis as narrated in KP and again feed it into transit-natal planetary influence carefully, then you are getting astro-trend of ready sharevalue of that particular commodity. You all agree, what we generally lack within us the adequate deep-going attitude in perceiving ancient vision and blame the sacred rishis, what ever they have found out only due to their meditation power, these so-called modern techies will take another thousands of years to unravell. > > To Mr. Suresh Babu: I doubt if any where is mentioned jupitar is for real money? Plsease verify the records and kindly confirm me in which text it is mentioned. > > Reg. Dharma-adharma topic, as narrated by Mr. Prashant and countered by Suresh Babu,I would like to say that this is not today, this is perhaps since the creation of universe, and that is perhaps, the play of almighty with his greedy,conservative amd most loving human creature. If you go back to any yugas, you will find there is huge gap of material instinct and spiritual instinct of human being and to make down the apex material instinct individual , God himself has to take step with giving birth to an apex spiritual instinct individual and through Him, He make the balance of spiritual and material instinct and then make the peace to be flown down to the earth. So, this is a cycle and this is not our burden and this is the creator's burden. > What we do, is that, to carry out our assignment with most sacred desire. > > With best wishes, > P K Tripathy. > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > @ . .com > Sun, October 18, 2009 3:33:58 PM > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market > > > Dear Prashant ji & others, > > If you look at the economic breakdown scenario, Economics has been taught from school to postgraduation & P.Hd levels and its is those who graduated from high levels that caused the present break down. All that they taught & practiced so far resulted in failure. Can we undermine the responcibilities of these institutions to have taught worthless information & churned out equally useless MBA's & phd's? > > did the present example change the curiculam of these institutions. Perhaps it changed the value of such degrees without real maket exposure and many companies are vewing them with sceptism. > > We can go on & on talking about economics & economies and how the companies & politicians cheat the public and lament about our helplessness in the matter. > > But will it help in any way? > > My point is very simple & direct. > > Given that there are many dynamics that govern the stock market ranging from international to local, calamities to poli-tricks, > > We are living in todays world and we have to look at our options in the prespectiveness. But the assumptioms that sages would not have known about about adharmic practices or black / white / red money is nothing but unrealistic. Otherwise how could they write so much about adharma unless they had known about it? You have to know about it to have written something. All our scriptures differentiate dharma & adharma at various levels. > > So instead of the above it would be better if we can focus on > > What can Astrology provide them by way of guidence? > > And encourage those who are doing intensive work on the subject > > It is a fact that one can make enough profits from share market and it is always tempting and the kind of trading depends on the capacity to take risks depending on temperament and well as financial capacity. > > Those who have very weak 2nd house & 9th house should stay away from risky trading practices. So also if Venus is afflicted by Saturn. > > Trading is also an attribute of 7th house. > > So 2nd- financial strength, backing from family etc, 7th Trading, 9th-Bhagya & long term investments, 10th (main activity) , 11nth - profits or 12th losses. > > I am adding the contents of a mail sent personaly to a question regarding Shares & lotteries. > > ------------ ------- > Share is a share in firm / company. It is not a lottery. When you purchase a share however small it is, you are becoming a partner of the company. > > However, it is also wealth in the form of a paper / aggreement / document and is not real money or wealth. Every related to paper /documents/aggreeme nts etc are related to mercury, while real money is related to Jupiter. > > Hence, we can say that share trading is also trading of paper money, which means mercury is the significator here. > > There are two type of trading. One is pure trading and other is investment. > > But the Main Karaka for trading is Venus. while investments again is the perview of Jupiter. > > So all these three Jupiter (Investments) , Venus (Trading) & mercury (Paper money-shares) are indicators. > > So pure trading in shares can be attributed to Venus & Mercury > Investements is share could be attributed to Jupiter & Mercury > > But it is no way connected to lotteries. > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > The above also may help in some way. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > > > Sun, October 18, 2009 1:52:54 PM > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market > > > Dear Krishna ji > > I thinkl the black and whiote currences can be reflected in the dharmic or adharmic earning streams ina individual, organisation, nations charts isnt it > > and as said earlier also if a person gains there is also a person or few who do lose fromthe same script by selling isnt it > > it can be a gain in value to tbe buyer or fall in value to th seller that can tilt the actual gainers here. > > the value systems [yoga dharma] is governed by the pouplace in gen as now governances is by the masses, than the soverign authorities. we get the leaders we deserve > > corrupt ppl elect corrupt leaders. so the currenices are equally corrupt and trhey dictate the course of the business climate, market trends witht e fundementals quiteoften having no role > > if the govt is on a shaky wicket that period so is the mkkt no fundamentals of the TOP 30 companies can resuce it. and as the old adage goes if America has cold rest of the world has pnuemonia is still valied in USD pegged global ecconomy its debts its deficit, interest rate trends dictate the global piicture still > > so we need to study US chart like the rasi chart and any other country's chart as complimentorychart to get good direction in this > > the closing of US mkt will give the trends to EAST ASIAN ECCONOMIES NEXT DAY and they appear to run almost close to heels and throws its weight on Our markets as well. > > prashant > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > Sun, October 18, 2009 12:22:46 PM > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market > > Dear Friends > Our subha muhurta chintamani that give details about Amritadi Ananda yogas and tara bala that form part of " This is a basic knowledge that Astrology in its most practical form can do. " can be taken advatage for stock market All these are general guidelines and their relevance to stock markets specifically to share market is neither required nor appropriate in any way. > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > > --- On Sun, 10/18/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market > > Sunday, October 18, 2009, 2:35 AM > > Dear Vinay jha, > > //It is futile to waste one's time over argumentation over physical versus > non-physical planets. Test of the pudding lies in tasting it..// > > perfectly said. > > What could be tasted should also be palatable. > > You have a taken a different road than others. Only furture & reality shall reveal which one is more correct and easy. > > An ordinary person sitting at his home trading will never be able to assess the kind of data(s) you are talking about and with your " arguments " of " physical & non-physcal planets " . This is the basic point you are missing in your logic. > > So let us forget about your conviction on PNP planets, if you don't mind, for the time being. Consider every one here as fools & ignorent. They have only a calender and basic Rasi & Navamsa chart with them. Can your model provide any pointers to them that they shall loose money on this particular day or they shall gain even after a few days, if they invest on those days..? This is a basic knowledge that Astrology in its most practical form can do. > > It is only commonsense that if any model require non-available data to work correctly, it will not make any sense or is practical. Hence, it is better to gather the available data and try to find a working model from those data. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > > > Sun, October 18, 2009 7:23:53 AM > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market > > To Shenoy Ji and others : > > It is good to know that Shenoy Ji has some (or more) experience in Day > Trading. He knows that earning 5-10% profit per day in stock trading > cannot be a norm, but is only the theoretical limit. All stock experts > and interested astrologers seek to find out means to realize this limit. > Shenoy Ji rightly says : " I don't think it is correct to say that > economics does not have a firm base in astrology " . Two years ago, I > finished work on 55 years of India national income growth rate data > provoded by Finance Minister's Economic Surveys, and found it to be > PERFECTLY in tune with astrology. Later, I started working on stock > markets. But till now, I am not able to assert that stock markets work > 100% according to astrological precepts, because I lack data about > horoscopes of companies and their owners. It is not a shortcoming of > astrology. But 90% of all significant ups and downs in daily movement of > stocks of all major companies taken as a whole works in harmony with > astrology : it is a conclusion of research and not merely a passing > observation. I disagree with Shenoy Ji's remark : " it is not very easy > and needs huge efforts to bring out a working model. .......the work so > far done has not even touched the base of this subject. " > > I possess the working model. But unfortunately, instead of testing this > model practically, many astrologers are rejecting its n0n-physical > planets. Instead of wasting time over arguments, is it not good to test > a thing? But even one day's stock movement needs 25-33 horoscopes to be > discussed, and my past experience with rain research shows that all my > works in these fora will be unheeded. Rohiniranjan Ji was right in > saying that internet is not fit for serious research : he has more > experience of internet than me. > > Let me explain my model here. > > If one planet moves from one bhaava to another, a new horoscope is > produced. During 6 hours of BSE workday, there are 24-25 such > horoscopes. Between any two successive horoscopes, only one planet > differs in its position. Hence, any up or down movement of SENSEX has to > be judged from one planet at a time, and only 2nd Bhaava needs to be > judged because market capitalization of all SENSEX companies is not a > perfect but a good indicator of national wealth . Between any two > successive horoscopes, sometimes other planets also change their their > properties, such as friendiness towards and aspect on 2nd bhaava, house > ownerships, relations & c. But such complexities are rare. Thus, the > method is simple. Draw horoscopes for the meridians of Bombay and > compare the combined movement of stock prices of topmost companies with > astrological charts : one will find startling correspondences. Such > correspondences will be more visible if the changes in combined index > are large. > > 25 horoscopes will produce only 25 cusps and troughs in the curve during > 10 am and 4 pm, but in reality there are many more variations, which are > mostly minor and are due to horoscopes to individual companies and their > owners. > > If 2nd bhaava is not under effective control of its lord, then impact of > other planets becomes significant, and aspects of all planets on 2nd > bhaava according to their friendliness or unfriendliness must be > considered in detail. > > A few days' or a few weeks' exercize in comparing stock indices with > astrological charts will make one expert in judging the QUANTITY of > impact a planet makes on a given bhaava. This experience will help in > other fields of astrology as well. Analysis of continuous graph of > SENSEX will be useful in gaining a quantitative astrological intuition > otherwise almost impossible. > > Comparison of two entirely different horoscopes does not help in this > regard, because the differences are too many and it is often difficult > to guess which factor led to the overall result. But analysis of > continuous Time Series (eg, SENSEX index) provides an opportunity to > analyse impacts of individual changes in horoscopes. It is the easiest > way to learn practical astrology (not only stock-astrology but all > astrology). Please reread this last para seriously. > > Here, I am discussing only Day Trading. Long term economic-astology has > been discussed by me in earlier threads few months ago, explained in > some Hindi articles on web. > > All schools of astrology have their plus points, but it is not because > all of them are equally perfect. The reason is that all of them > originated directly or indirectly from same archaic source which was > religious, intuitive and holistic, unlike the empirical-logical mathod > of moderners. > > It is futile to waste one's time over argumentation over physical versus > non-physical planets. Test of the pudding lies in tasting it. > > -VJ > ============ ========= ===== > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Vinay Jha & others > > > > Thank you very much for further inputs from yourside. > > > > I started on a research on the subject as I was also a very active > participant in the daily stock trading and still holds DP accounts. So I > have a first hand experience & knowledge of practical issues of trading > for a common person. > > > > Unfortunately could not do much on the astrogical part due to heavy > distractions, either from my own business or people comming to see me > with their problems. Ultimately I was forced to set is aside the work > since as you know finding answers to those in distress & helping them is > more important than this activity. > > > > Unlike in other countries, where the market is driven by strong > fundamentals, Indian market conditions varies if a politician just > smiles on the tv screen.. Till a few years back trading activity was > based on personal contacts. But new internet technologies has made it > easier to trade online due to which a lot of persons many having little > knowledge of the business came into the arena. Most of the companies > (Major Brokers) focused on trading volume than the participants profits > and hence issues many unrealistic trading tips, which evetually ended in > heavy loss to the commonor. > > > > This practicaly made trading in India a gamble than a prudent > investment or business activity. The sad part is that the Major brokers > knew what happens even when their clients are loosing money. They have > far more advanced softwares than what they provide their customers. > > > > However, atleast some of those companies has realised the mistake and > trying to regain the confidence of the small traders by providing more > realistic tips and infos and focusing on the profits made by these > ordinary members. > > > > Regarding the success rate on each day: > > > > In this regard I would like those who are either trading or doing > research watch the movement of Moon through 2 set of signs - Upachaya & > Anupachaya signs either from native moon / 2nd house / 11nth house / > their lords / venus / mercury / Jupiter for starters. Signs thus > involved and aspected by transiting jupiter or the above lords just > might hold the key for days profits or loss in trading. > > > > The above concepts (which is pure traditional astrological concept) > may have to watched over a few days trading and logged carefully. The > results may be much helpfull in real trading than theoritical works. > > > > I also would request Shree Vinay Jha to refrain from starting all over > again on " Physical " & His concept of astronomy, which does not help > practically any body. It would make sense to produce what the common > person shall understand and can use. > > > > regards > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > VJha vinayjhaa16@ ... > > > > Sat, October 17, 2009 9:33:05 PM > > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market > > > > > > To All, > > > > I was away for 3 months from all fora and had not read this thread > till > > now. Many astrologers have put in good ideas, and Shenoy Ji has done a > > good job to organize the discussion properly by classifying the > > sub-topics to some extent. > > > > Shenoy Ji writes : > > <<< In practical trading daily movement of sensex is of little help > > unless the movement changes sharply on the mid-day, which takes any > one > > by surprise and chances of loss is high.>>> > > > > This view is the majority view, ie, the view of those who have little > or > > no practical experience in real time Day Trading. Day Traders in all > > stock exchanges of the world employ myriads of stochastic and other > > techniques to make small profits at almost each up and down. > Experienced > > day traders prosper even in a recessing market, because the main > > principle of Day Trading is based not on overall loss or gain of index > > in a day or more, but on making profits at each small plus or minus > > change by means of selling when high and buying when low. There are 25 > > such chances per working day, and 15-20 of them may witness more than > > 0.25% difference in stock prices. Add them, and it makes 4-5% profit > per > > day, even if there is no major bullish or bearish activity. If there > are > > major changes, profits may be much more than 5%. > > > > Non-astrologers do not know why there are 25 ups plus downs per 6 > hours > > of working day. This strange phenomenon can be explained ONLY > > astrologically : there are about 25 distinct horoscopes during 6 hours > > due to nearly 25 transits of planets into various bhaavas. > > > > Thus, there are 25 distinct charts per working day for a given place, > > and each of them should be analyzed strictly according to standard > rules > > of phalita jyotisha. > > This technique is time-consuming, but it is ACCURATE, provided both > > Ganita and Phalita are based on original precepts of sages. > > > > This technique will give graph of ALL companies registered at a > > particular stock exchange, but can be roughly used to predict > behaviour > > of most effective companies, as grouped under Sensex or Nifty. One can > > use this technique to buy/sell shares of ALL 30 companies of Sensex > > simultaneously, because individual companies may differ from the > > combined graph and may cheat the investor due to different > astrological > > fate as ensuing from the horoscope of that company or of its chief > > owners. > > > > For mid-term and long-term investments, this technique is of no use : > > one must use national horoscopes of three types : annual chart of > Mesha > > Samkraanti, Nakshatra charts which work for about 14 days, and > > Shashtyamsha charts which work for about 12 hours. > > > > Now, market capitalization of topmost 30 or 50 companies account for a > > good part of national wealth in India, hence 2nd bhaava in national > > horoscope can be used to predict behaviour of Sensex or Nifty. > > > > I have tested above ideas successfully. But if the investor's personal > > fate is not good, planetary propitiation must be performed before > doing > > anything in this field. > > > > Shenoy ji puts forth a good question : " How do we find the days on > which > > he is likely to make profits or loss? " > > > > The answer depends upon the accuracy of analysis of stocks as well as > of > > one'e own charts. In personal charts, most influential factors are > > Vimshottsri plus Varshaphala+ Maasaphala. If the praana-dahsaa of a > given > > planet lasts for many days, exact timing of its chief effect can be > > determined from the ratio of its degrees (foorgetting the raashi) to > 30 > > degrees and getting the same ratio in the duration of that > > praana-dashaa. . Gochara helps further in exact timing of events. > > > > All astrologers in this thread already know the rudimentary concepts > > outlined above, but the problem arises from application of PHYSICAL > > astronomy which can never be cured on internet. > > > > -Vinay Jha > > ============ === === > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " > > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vijay Rajput & Vinay Jha, > > > > > > I have to thank both of you posting the info regarding work on stock > > movements > > > > > > I aware that the research on the subject is time consuming and > tedious > > job. > > > > > > However, I think there are 2 basic issues that need to addressed. > > > > > > 1) daily movemnt of sensex along with sectoral indices. > > > 2) Individual compatability with trading prospects in general > > > 3) individuals daily rate of success or failure (profit /loss). > > > > > > In practical trading daily movement of sensex is of little help > unless > > the movement changes sharply on the mid-day, which takes any one by > > surprise and chances of loss is high. > > > > > > How de we determine with certainity that an individual shall be > > successfull in trading business? this does not involve long term > > investments, but pure trading activity. > > > > > > Even if an individual is so compatable, he need make profit every > day. > > How do we find the days on which he is likely to make profits or loss? > > > > > > If we can find a resonable answer with atleast 60 to 70% of success > > rate, it would be helpfull to many ordinary citizens who venture into > > stock market expecting to make quick bucks. > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Vijay Rajput vijayrajput13@ ... > > > > > > Sat, October 17, 2009 3:50:11 PM > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashantji,Krishnan ji and Sureshji,Namste, > > > Happy Diwali to you and you family members. > > > > > > As Jupiter is in direct motion Bank Nifty,Reality, and > infrastructures > > are moving as predicted in the earlier post.Today Sun is moved in to > > tula rasi and you will see some fall in the market and this may > continue > > for one or two trading sessions.As sun gives it's results at entry of > > the sign.Further move in the Bank stocks/BankNifty is likely in the > 1st > > week of Nov 2009.Particapation in the market will also impove in this > > week.Inester' s sentiments is going to improve in next moon as ketu > will > > move out of Karka rasi..Ketu in karka harmed the market sentimentaly. > > > All the best > > > Take Care > > > Vijay > > > > > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > Saturday, October 3, 2009, 2:56 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > The Sensex touching 17000 can not be considered as a guide for the > > improvement of trading.. > > > > > > Mars into a water sign ruled by Moon is bound to give jitters..being > a > > festival season,with fears of famine.due to short fall of rains are > > bound to have impact on sentiments. > > > > > > Globallly finances in stocks has not chnaged much.mainly mutual > funds > > happened to be main attaractions has still not raised hopes for > > investor.Realty sector yet waiting for bank incentives.Even banks too > > starved for advances.Private sector except communications. chemiclas > and > > where Govt holds major stakes is giving hopes.Thanx to our strong > > economic base that is sparing the Govt tradings. > > > > > > At this point of time till jupiter moves direct a cautious approach > > need to be exercised. > > > > > > One exception:For those daily tarding is their stuff they can be > > relentless as profits and losses go hand in hand.Beware speculation > are > > guided by one's strength of 8th house aknown malefic house. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > wrote: > > > > > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > > > > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, October 3, 2009, 10:18 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay > > > > > > it is a good post but will like u to apply this for a week coming > Next > > monday or the week after on the said principles and make ur forecast > and > > ideal is to do it for the entire month week wise and this will cover > the > > sun entry into Libra also so 2 weeks in Librta can also be studied a > > practical series of 3-4 weeks is a welcome one > > > > > > as it is a known fact that Mkts can't be really predicted by even > the > > best of expeets else why will we have the crisis that engulfed the > world > > in this magnitude at least a indication knowing it will happen this > bad > > was not said leave alone the %age > > > > > > u can see in some groups a few members r trying to predict the same > > with the Sankranti yr model or sankranti Purusha, the aditipatis for > > diff sectors and not much has happened to that on the 1st occassion > 2nd > > one is mixed. > > > > > > orashant > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > Vijay Rajput <vijayrajput13@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, October 3, 2009 4:14:40 PM > > > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > Dear Satya Ji,Namaste, > > > > > > Past 2-3 years I am tracking the stock market by using the basic > > principle of Vedic Astrology.My guru is helping me much in this > > regard.In the month of April On 9th April 2009 while answering a query > I > > have predicted the short term bull run in the stock market after the > > transit of Jupiter. > > > > > > Again in the month of June I have predicted the consolidation of > > market and good rise in market is likely after 15th Oct 2009. > > > > > > Now how to use astrology is important.The boss of speculation is > > Saturn so closely watch the movement of Sat. > > > > > > Jupiter is dhanad it's movement and good position always indicates > the > > liquidity in the market and you may be knowing at present only > liquidity > > and speculation is driving the market.Monthly movement is to be seen > by > > the move ment of Sun and sun gives the results at its entry.For day to > > day movement the move ment of Moon is very Important.And to track the > > intra day movement,the movement of Moon in D-60 is very Important and > it > > can ve used for the movement of market.The navamsa position of planets > > gives the sector wise movement. > > > > > > In the coming period Jupiter and Mars will be sitting opposite to > each > > other during this period you will see the sharp move in > > Banking,Realityand Infrastructure sectors.Watch the Bank Nifty. > > > > > > You can draw the Nifty Future's chart and use the daily transit on > > this chart. > > > > > > Even you can cast the individual chart of stocks. > > > > > > All the best > > > > > > Take care > > > > > > Vijay > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/28/09, Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > @ . . com > > > > > > Monday, September 28, 2009, 10:09 AM > > > > > > Hello Sathya Ji, > > > > > > Financial Astrology and particulalrly Stock trading is an emerging > > concept.A couple of seminars have been held here there and some > writers > > have also contributes articles in express Star teller. > > > > > > After economic rforms when privatisation on large scale with PPPs > ,JVs > > and Venture Capital coming into existence the trade and economics was > > undergoing sea change. > > > > > > And to upset the calculations, the war like situatins,monopoly of > oil > > producing contries have taken away sheen in the trade market. > > > > > > with huge success in Indian trade of mutual funds in India > Astrologers > > basing financial Institutions performance and with blue chips of > Larsen > > & Tubro,Tata, Relinace and Birla etc the speculation gianed lot of > > importance as the risk has increased.These major industries suddenly > > went behind screen with realty sector and DLF coming into picture. > > > > > > It is now certain,value of shares continue to hover around 5-6 major > > secctors like land,Reality, Pharma,steel, cement and other > constructions > > industries. > > > > > > Apart from,Jupiter, venus,and Mercury,mars to has it's role in share > > market. > > > > > > we hear about Bulls and bears.Bearish tency is always when > visionaries > > get combust mainly during amvasya days. > > > > > > Nodes too have role in sudden spurts in share values.The moon waxing > > is an indication for once investment to give return. > > > > > > But short term and long term invest definetely has to be based on > the > > traditional view of slow moving palnets(Saturn, Jupiter and Vneus) and > > short term the main trade is based on moon,mars and mercury. > > > > > > when mercury conjunct,combust one has to be careful in putchasing > > stocks.Buying is investment and the trading has to be done on day to > day > > basis looking into moons brightness other wise.the timing too has to > be > > decided when sun is almost free from any malefic aspects. > > > > > > Sudden gains are always based on 8th house including horses > > races,lotteries and windfalls..8th t0 8th that is 3rd also > > trade,commerce and communication for disposals. > > > > > > 5th known to be house of intution has a major role intrading of > > stcocks. 11th bhava income house and 2nd for wealth when afflicted in > > natal chart one has to be very cautious in netering stcok markets. > > > > > > In traidng of stcoks losses are inherent,role of 12th house can > never > > be discounted .malefics in 12th always represent heavy losses.Benifics > > may help in minimising losses.Thes fundamentals of Astrology cannever > be > > ignored. > > > > > > Commodity specifics lke ketu for pharmas,venus for building.saturn > for > > steel,Sun for Gold,mercury for chemicals and mars for land etc > indicate > > their importance. > > > > > > Mind dual houses represented by pisces9watery sign) gemini(airy > sign) > > virgo (earthy sign) and finally sagittarus(fiery sign) throw light on > > the nature of commodities also.Precious metals and stomes are always > > looked from 1,7and9 and buildings.2, 6 & 10,chemicals/ pahrma3,7 and > > 11.Allwatery signs for cold sotages,beverages and thermal equipment > etc. > > > > > > Some studies and guidance cane be obatained from pranavasramam. . > > org.Some books written on the subject have yet to gain currency.Visit > to > > Bhavan's university Book Store in Delhi and sagar publications may > help > > as titles can be seen.writer who have brought out publications both in > > Hindia and English may not be established writers. > > > > > > Last but not the least natives have 2-3 retrograde planets require > > caution in vest ments.however scripts for immediate gains can be > > traded.Having good jupiter karak for wealth can take risks and like > wise > > venus dasa and exalted venus in pisces can go in for any type of > > trading.dasa of rahu ,Sade sati,trading in limited way may be done if > > moon is not debilitated or weak. > > > > > > EXpress Star Teller has brought out some articles written by JUB > > Sastry and other whcich are of help. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > --- On Sat, 9/26/09, sathya <rainbow_in> wrote: > > > > > > sathya <rainbow_in> > > > > > > can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: bursar_99 > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009, 2:55 AM > > > > > > hello., > > > > > > Can the most learned seniors & experts show some way > > > > > > to apply astrology on Stock market. > > > > > > what are the reasons and how the planetary position will take the > > Stock Market up and what combination' s will make the Stock market > come > > down. > > > > > > what are the sectors which can rise and as of now till what time can > > be upside bull market can sustain, > > > > > > Pls advice me some good books on using Astrology in Stock market, > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > sathya > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Dear Sureshji and Others,Namaskar, Thanks for encouragement. Instead of getting in to the philosophical discussion on astrology and economical analysis of stock market, I would like to focus on the astrology and it's principle to understand stock market. Whatever astrology we are doing is given to us by our sages.Nothing is added to it by us.But what we can do is, by understanding the principle we can apply them to this scenario and can define stocks,financial,etc. Every body knows JRD Tata started his business with textiles, steel,airlines,oil etc Ratan Tata shifted the focus to Software and Auto's. Dhirubhai also started with textiles then petroleum etc. But Anil Ambani changed his focus to communication and lime light like Mobile,Adlab,Big Tv,film production,Capital etc. If you anlyse this you will understand how this people are making money. Who is making money for them? It is very much clear that They are in to Saturn,Venus,Mercury group and smoothly shifting from one domain to other. I try to anlyse in the same way and try to understand and how the money can be made. It is very necessary to understand what is stock market and how it works? What I understand is it is purely speculation,number crunching,unexpected,etc which is purely ruled by the great Saturn.What drives the stock market is the liquidity,so Jupiter is also very important and has big role to play. Sun the general confidence and Moon shows the sentiments which is very important for the daily trading. Moon is very important when daily trading comes in to picture.When moon is strong everybody knows it gives good sentiments. Most of the astrologer uses transit of planets with respect moon.Here I want to share something which I have tested in past few years.. In transit when ever melefics are placed in the Upachaya sthana from Moon it gives good confidence in general and hence rise in stock market is seen.I tested it so many times.This is solely with respect to sentiments is concern. When stock market or stock price goes up what happens?What I understand by this is it's market capital goes up and reputation also goes up.So it very important to understand this phenomenon. Most of you may be knowing the NIfty Future's chart it haS karka lagna rising with ketu in lagna.You can apply the transit to this chart also. Every body know what happen when ketu in lagna.Nature of nifty future can be understood going through it's chart. Below is the chart of DLF listed on 5th July 2007. The chart of DLF with Leo lagna rising certainly indicates the company having reality business. There one principle in the nadi states that when the rasi and navamasa dispositer of labhesha are in sambandha in transit gives labha.This can be used in trading. Rasi Chart of DLF-listed on 5-7-2007at9.55am NSE Mumbai +--------------+ | \ / \ / | | \ / \ Sa / | | \ / \ / | | \ / Ve \ / | | \ / \ / | | x Md As Gk x MeR Su | | / \ / \ | | / \ Ke / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ 5 / \ | | / \ / \ | | JuR x | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / Ra \ / | | \ / \ / | | x Mo x Ma | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | +--------------+ So there are lot many things do share and lot of area is to be discussed. All the best Take Care Vijay --- On Sun, 10/18/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote: Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Sunday, October 18, 2009, 7:12 AM Dear Krishna ji, Frankly speaking, I am very sorry to say , I couldn't make head or tails of what your implying or your line of thinking. white money or black money or intricasis of world economy are all secondry, while primary remains the individual. Sage will not be surprised at the type of currencies, whether it is black or white or horded or paper, for they have already provided many pointers to this effect such as drishya & adrishya, saturn's association, 12th bava associations etc. We only have to use the logic for the different problems at hand. About responcibilities: Aren't astrologers taking responcibility in their hands when you agrees to reject marriage compatability? I remember a case where a person had many leagal problems and his home was about to be taken over by bank. I advised not to take any action. In fact I told him that it will done on a particular day (with Lahiri Ayanamsa - so called physical astronomy) but just to smile at them. As predicted, they slapped notice on the house but could not anything. Now the bank is trying hard to give it back. He later came and thanked me. You know why? The bank did a big blunder as predicted and now they can't do anything other than giving the house back and going for a compromise. If he had taken any action before, they would had known about their mistake and would have taken neccessary steps, which if did, would have turned against my friend, who actually is not at fault. Was it not great risk that I had reframed him in taking any action? How many such risks are we taking each day? This is why I wrote about about responcibilities of studying this subject in a much earlier discussion. And there much higher and unseen responcibilities that an astrologer takes, which has to experienced than talked. If you take a statistics, not even 1% percent of traders are going to look at astrology for daily trading, then why should we shy away from doing research on the subject? A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > Sun, October 18, 2009 8:27:49 AM Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Dear Shri Suresh Ji When we tried very humbly to invest energies in to jyotish,we intended how this reverred science can help society and common Man. In the process we keep whole faith in our planets and try our best to track their behaviour and venture to indicate when some body can start earning,when and how he can get a spouse and also a male or a female child as a result of his marriage and all his health concerns besides his good luck and bad luck The responsibility thus taken has no limit on Astrologer and all this we endeavour by looking at skies So we deal some necessary things and some unnecessary things which should normally not the concern of jyotish.Iam ofcourse highlighting as what should not be the concern of jyotish.Might be keeping a tab on scope of Astrology is an irresponsible inkling. we need however to preserve AStrology from it's ideals and prudent principles. I am of the view,that the " undecided man for ever " shows no signs of apprehensions and willing to be a responsible person to the people around where he lives.So his efforts to sustain himself and support his own people commences.it is but natural if one can find short cuts to ensure happiness of his kith and kith without himself undergoing any stress on himself.Astrology if can bring a way out that is really worth millions. This is where jyotish has put a flow chart for every person for the sake of his guidance by including Dharma,Ardha, kama Moksha aspects of life. while a person through his educaion draws his own chart and finds due to his own chart but inconsistencies to turn to an Astrologer for guidance .Astrologer s remain as 2nd choice for guidance This constitutes only 30 percent of folk for whom we have to provide answers.Here fate of the nations,fate of the systems working and fate of the individals.fate of the ventures to depend on market forces etc need to be analysed.My apprehension however remains? It is quite freightening at this stage even to be aware of Global finances and Global exchanges. If the common man's interest is not protected any science I feel is of no consequence. So we need to understand full implications of economics first before we try to understand Astrologically what is white money and balck money. Funny aspect of life today it seems people have real estates but no money to eat? is it not a concern of all us to find us how such things occur? ..I wish those saints who have guided us in the past if they come back to life once again to know these factors of white and black and other things Iam sure they will become dumb. The Dharma enunciated by an Astrologer has no relevence to country,to type of currency and variety of trades. what makes however vary is the ardha and kama which brings in stress factors.In this context the share what we have been talking about is not shared in real sense bringing the devide in Dhrama concepts.It is where Astrologer has dificulties as for him Deva Gana nad Raksha gana have equal significance. This where even renowned economists expressed in US as under: " The financial system has to be safe for failure, " said Summers.any " exit strategy " would be different on Main Street than it would on Wall Street. " The world wanted to be in Treasuries, in the safest and most liquid markets, and you saw the dollar rose when people were most concerned about the future of the world, " he said. Summers told an audience of financial market participants. " Wall Street was no small part of the cause of the crisis and Wall Street needs to be part of the solution. " While economists work under pressure to strengthen economy by warding off " hits " against USD,the common man only interested in his pursuits to have his daily bread. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) --- On Sat, 10/17/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Saturday, October 17, 2009, 2:48 PM Dear Krishna ji, There are many observations that you have made which is totaly agreeble. What ever technical info we use to study stocks and their movements, it become useless on many grounds prevailing in India. But most of the experienced small or medium traders knows about this very well. As on date, Indian Stock Market is not independant due to many stocks listed in international stock exchanges. The hard hit persons are those who have invested all their savings. Some has borowed money for investing in the stocks. Those were the hardest hit because, what they bought not only lost its value, but liability remained at the higher rate of interest as well, which they couldn't make up. One can only say that it is greed that lead them to it. Vinay Jha's assertion of total percentages of changes a stock undergoes and rate of profitabilty is not at all practical. It looks good only on paper and is tempting too. But on practical front, one has to sit in front of terminal to understand its dynamics. ************ However that is not our point of discussion. Our efforts are to find a plausible link and solution through Astrology. I don't think it is correct to say that economics does not have a firm base in astrology, if I understand what you have said correctly. In that case, the whole of Astrology becomes redundant. If we can predict the financial prospects of an individual, there has to be connection with stock markets as well. It is true that during the time of sages, when they wrote Astrology, The practice of Share trading was not there and such extensive practices of cheating. But have laid the grounds and core principles. It is upto the present generation to study & co-relate those principles for the benefit of the public in the changing economic conditions. It is also true that it is not very easy and needs huge efforts to bring out a working model. A few predictions that comes true or fails doen't mean anything. Let those who have time and knowledge make those efforts. Every small help regarding pointers and astrological co-relationships might make their efforts much easier and bring about faster results. In any kind of research, it is not just the right principles that in important but wrong one too. When we establish a certain conditions or factor to wrong, it becomes much easier to find the conditions / factors from the remaining ones. So it doesn't matter what we say is right or wrong, but what matters is the right kind of participation. It is upto the researcher to establish whether it is correct or wrong. My personal knowledge & feeling is that, the work so far done has not even touched the base of this subject. So there is plenty to be unearthed and let this discussion be an encouragement for them. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > Sat, October 17, 2009 11:01:09 PM Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Dear Shri Vinay Ji,Suresh Ji and others. On a most propitous day of Deepavali ,nice to have seen you in the forum.Ab intio,pleasenteries of Deepavali. we firmly believe in Astroogy and it's principle however understood analysed.In case the bhagya/destiny of a person has to be related to shares and trading,these principles interlinked economics have little impact. I know all of us venture to write and express our views but can not decide and judge the fate of Individuals. My close friends became millionares from T.Nagar of Madras and have become paupers from jharia of Bihar.I have no logic to churn out from astrological awareness. The economics of trading in shares has been a favoured subject after globalisation in India.Except " Master share " debacle in 1990.The principle for share markets contnues to be: " more active " more sell off and profits " .Bullish and bearish tendencies though man made and mid afternoon, gestures adds curiosity from media point of view.in any case we have to accept s really hrd core business to buy and sell shares.Issue however is not how much you enedeavour to invest.So we have chain of traders with more middle men to mislead in share market Astrology as applied has to be intricate with all it'sdivergent approaches: " Ganita and Phalita are based on original precepts of sages " One of my friend in Gujarat working for MS university Mr Shah's trade practices are instaneous as even small margins arising out of buying and selling on the same day too keep the going good. What actually gets complicated is the Astrological analysis of Shares and Stocks from Individual in perspective. I am not very firm on - " but on making profits at each small plus or minuschange by means of selling when high and buying when low.:This might be a cardinal principle approach but patterns often seem to change as shares of some the firms never undergo these volatile phases except room is created for inside trading. a dubious practice that pushes and upsets market trends. The point of study relating to indices and actual business patterns which are cyclic are not easily understandable let alone from the economics of trading point of view So " provided bothaccuracy of analysis of stocks' is academic but not really practicable. We have seen very few people aspiring to make career in shares and trading it is more as a hobby people test the field throwing aside: as well as of one'e own charts.;.Result we have seen several suiicides and homicides in this field along with contributing factor of crime. when economy of the country is driven by forces other than markets,we await lot of shocks.so we have festival tradings,marriage season fluctuations and what not. Finally Mars,the pivotal planet even as per kartikaadi chart20066 " and also 2nd house of this chart happens to be in papkartari'are threatening that can throw many principles of share markets to winds. Today what is pinching markets is lack of liquidity and financial institutions want to be sane and so no off loading of currency from chests. These issues relevant in economics for trading find to have no firm base in Astrology from individuals perspective. People can not afford to invest out of provident fund moneys to remind the story of 190s of Master share. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) --- On Sat, 10/17/09, VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Saturday, October 17, 2009, 12:03 PM To All, I was away for 3 months from all fora and had not read this thread till now. Many astrologers have put in good ideas, and Shenoy Ji has done a good job to organize the discussion properly by classifying the sub-topics to some extent. Shenoy Ji writes : <<< In practical trading daily movement of sensex is of little help unless the movement changes sharply on the mid-day, which takes any one by surprise and chances of loss is high.>>> This view is the majority view, ie, the view of those who have little or no practical experience in real time Day Trading. Day Traders in all stock exchanges of the world employ myriads of stochastic and other techniques to make small profits at almost each up and down. Experienced day traders prosper even in a recessing market, because the main principle of Day Trading is based not on overall loss or gain of index in a day or more, but on making profits at each small plus or minus change by means of selling when high and buying when low. There are 25 such chances per working day, and 15-20 of them may witness more than 0.25% difference in stock prices. Add them, and it makes 4-5% profit per day, even if there is no major bullish or bearish activity. If there are major changes, profits may be much more than 5%. Non-astrologers do not know why there are 25 ups plus downs per 6 hours of working day. This strange phenomenon can be explained ONLY astrologically : there are about 25 distinct horoscopes during 6 hours due to nearly 25 transits of planets into various bhaavas. Thus, there are 25 distinct charts per working day for a given place, and each of them should be analyzed strictly according to standard rules of phalita jyotisha. This technique is time-consuming, but it is ACCURATE, provided both Ganita and Phalita are based on original precepts of sages. This technique will give graph of ALL companies registered at a particular stock exchange, but can be roughly used to predict behaviour of most effective companies, as grouped under Sensex or Nifty. One can use this technique to buy/sell shares of ALL 30 companies of Sensex simultaneously, because individual companies may differ from the combined graph and may cheat the investor due to different astrological fate as ensuing from the horoscope of that company or of its chief owners. For mid-term and long-term investments, this technique is of no use : one must use national horoscopes of three types : annual chart of Mesha Samkraanti, Nakshatra charts which work for about 14 days, and Shashtyamsha charts which work for about 12 hours. Now, market capitalization of topmost 30 or 50 companies account for a good part of national wealth in India, hence 2nd bhaava in national horoscope can be used to predict behaviour of Sensex or Nifty. I have tested above ideas successfully. But if the investor's personal fate is not good, planetary propitiation must be performed before doing anything in this field. Shenoy ji puts forth a good question : " How do we find the days on which he is likely to make profits or loss? " The answer depends upon the accuracy of analysis of stocks as well as of one'e own charts. In personal charts, most influential factors are Vimshottsri plus Varshaphala+ Maasaphala. If the praana-dahsaa of a given planet lasts for many days, exact timing of its chief effect can be determined from the ratio of its degrees (foorgetting the raashi) to 30 degrees and getting the same ratio in the duration of that praana-dashaa. Gochara helps further in exact timing of events. All astrologers in this thread already know the rudimentary concepts outlined above, but the problem arises from application of PHYSICAL astronomy which can never be cured on internet. -Vinay Jha ============ === === , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Vijay Rajput & Vinay Jha, > > I have to thank both of you posting the info regarding work on stock movements > > I aware that the research on the subject is time consuming and tedious job. > > However, I think there are 2 basic issues that need to addressed. > > 1) daily movemnt of sensex along with sectoral indices. > 2) Individual compatability with trading prospects in general > 3) individuals daily rate of success or failure (profit /loss). > > In practical trading daily movement of sensex is of little help unless the movement changes sharply on the mid-day, which takes any one by surprise and chances of loss is high. > > How de we determine with certainity that an individual shall be successfull in trading business? this does not involve long term investments, but pure trading activity. > > Even if an individual is so compatable, he need make profit every day. How do we find the days on which he is likely to make profits or loss? > > If we can find a resonable answer with atleast 60 to 70% of success rate, it would be helpfull to many ordinary citizens who venture into stock market expecting to make quick bucks. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Vijay Rajput vijayrajput13@ ... > > Sat, October 17, 2009 3:50:11 PM > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > Dear Prashantji,Krishnan ji and Sureshji,Namste, > Happy Diwali to you and you family members. > > As Jupiter is in direct motion Bank Nifty,Reality, and infrastructures are moving as predicted in the earlier post.Today Sun is moved in to tula rasi and you will see some fall in the market and this may continue for one or two trading sessions.As sun gives it's results at entry of the sign.Further move in the Bank stocks/BankNifty is likely in the 1st week of Nov 2009.Particapation in the market will also impove in this week.Inester' s sentiments is going to improve in next moon as ketu will move out of Karka rasi.Ketu in karka harmed the market sentimentaly. > All the best > Take Care > Vijay > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > wrote: > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > Saturday, October 3, 2009, 2:56 PM > > > > Dear Friends, > > The Sensex touching 17000 can not be considered as a guide for the improvement of trading. > > Mars into a water sign ruled by Moon is bound to give jitters.being a festival season,with fears of famine.due to short fall of rains are bound to have impact on sentiments. > > Globallly finances in stocks has not chnaged much.mainly mutual funds happened to be main attaractions has still not raised hopes for investor.Realty sector yet waiting for bank incentives.Even banks too starved for advances.Private sector except communications. chemiclas and where Govt holds major stakes is giving hopes.Thanx to our strong economic base that is sparing the Govt tradings. > > At this point of time till jupiter moves direct a cautious approach need to be exercised. > > One exception:For those daily tarding is their stuff they can be relentless as profits and losses go hand in hand.Beware speculation are guided by one's strength of 8th house aknown malefic house. > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > wrote: > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > Saturday, October 3, 2009, 10:18 AM > > > > Dear Vijay > > it is a good post but will like u to apply this for a week coming Next monday or the week after on the said principles and make ur forecast and ideal is to do it for the entire month week wise and this will cover the sun entry into Libra also so 2 weeks in Librta can also be studied a practical series of 3-4 weeks is a welcome one > > as it is a known fact that Mkts can't be really predicted by even the best of expeets else why will we have the crisis that engulfed the world in this magnitude at least a indication knowing it will happen this bad was not said leave alone the %age > > u can see in some groups a few members r trying to predict the same with the Sankranti yr model or sankranti Purusha, the aditipatis for diff sectors and not much has happened to that on the 1st occassion 2nd one is mixed. > > orashant > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vijay Rajput <vijayrajput13@ > > > > > Sat, October 3, 2009 4:14:40 PM > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > Dear Satya Ji,Namaste, > > Past 2-3 years I am tracking the stock market by using the basic principle of Vedic Astrology.My guru is helping me much in this regard.In the month of April On 9th April 2009 while answering a query I have predicted the short term bull run in the stock market after the transit of Jupiter. > > Again in the month of June I have predicted the consolidation of market and good rise in market is likely after 15th Oct 2009. > > Now how to use astrology is important.The boss of speculation is Saturn so closely watch the movement of Sat. > > Jupiter is dhanad it's movement and good position always indicates the liquidity in the market and you may be knowing at present only liquidity and speculation is driving the market.Monthly movement is to be seen by the move ment of Sun and sun gives the results at its entry.For day to day movement the move ment of Moon is very Important.And to track the intra day movement,the movement of Moon in D-60 is very Important and it can ve used for the movement of market.The navamsa position of planets gives the sector wise movement. > > In the coming period Jupiter and Mars will be sitting opposite to each other during this period you will see the sharp move in Banking,Realityand Infrastructure sectors.Watch the Bank Nifty. > > You can draw the Nifty Future's chart and use the daily transit on this chart. > > Even you can cast the individual chart of stocks. > > All the best > > Take care > > Vijay > > --- On Mon, 9/28/09, Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > wrote: > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > Monday, September 28, 2009, 10:09 AM > > Hello Sathya Ji, > > Financial Astrology and particulalrly Stock trading is an emerging concept.A couple of seminars have been held here there and some writers have also contributes articles in express Star teller. > > After economic rforms when privatisation on large scale with PPPs ,JVs and Venture Capital coming into existence the trade and economics was undergoing sea change. > > And to upset the calculations, the war like situatins,monopoly of oil producing contries have taken away sheen in the trade market. > > with huge success in Indian trade of mutual funds in India Astrologers basing financial Institutions performance and with blue chips of Larsen & Tubro,Tata, Relinace and Birla etc the speculation gianed lot of importance as the risk has increased.These major industries suddenly went behind screen with realty sector and DLF coming into picture. > > It is now certain,value of shares continue to hover around 5-6 major secctors like land,Reality, Pharma,steel, cement and other constructions industries. > > Apart from,Jupiter, venus,and Mercury,mars to has it's role in share market. > > we hear about Bulls and bears.Bearish tency is always when visionaries get combust mainly during amvasya days. > > Nodes too have role in sudden spurts in share values.The moon waxing is an indication for once investment to give return. > > But short term and long term invest definetely has to be based on the traditional view of slow moving palnets(Saturn, Jupiter and Vneus) and short term the main trade is based on moon,mars and mercury. > > when mercury conjunct,combust one has to be careful in putchasing stocks.Buying is investment and the trading has to be done on day to day basis looking into moons brightness other wise.the timing too has to be decided when sun is almost free from any malefic aspects. > > Sudden gains are always based on 8th house including horses races,lotteries and windfalls..8th t0 8th that is 3rd also trade,commerce and communication for disposals. > > 5th known to be house of intution has a major role intrading of stcocks. 11th bhava income house and 2nd for wealth when afflicted in natal chart one has to be very cautious in netering stcok markets. > > In traidng of stcoks losses are inherent,role of 12th house can never be discounted .malefics in 12th always represent heavy losses.Benifics may help in minimising losses.Thes fundamentals of Astrology cannever be ignored. > > Commodity specifics lke ketu for pharmas,venus for building.saturn for steel,Sun for Gold,mercury for chemicals and mars for land etc indicate their importance. > > Mind dual houses represented by pisces9watery sign) gemini(airy sign) virgo (earthy sign) and finally sagittarus(fiery sign) throw light on the nature of commodities also.Precious metals and stomes are always looked from 1,7and9 and buildings.2, 6 & 10,chemicals/ pahrma3,7 and 11.Allwatery signs for cold sotages,beverages and thermal equipment etc. > > Some studies and guidance cane be obatained from pranavasramam. org.Some books written on the subject have yet to gain currency.Visit to Bhavan's university Book Store in Delhi and sagar publications may help as titles can be seen.writer who have brought out publications both in Hindia and English may not be established writers. > > Last but not the least natives have 2-3 retrograde planets require caution in vest ments.however scripts for immediate gains can be traded.Having good jupiter karak for wealth can take risks and like wise venus dasa and exalted venus in pisces can go in for any type of trading.dasa of rahu ,Sade sati,trading in limited way may be done if moon is not debilitated or weak. > > EXpress Star Teller has brought out some articles written by JUB Sastry and other whcich are of help. > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > --- On Sat, 9/26/09, sathya <rainbow_in> wrote: > > sathya <rainbow_in> > > can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > Cc: bursar_99 > > Saturday, September 26, 2009, 2:55 AM > > hello., > > Can the most learned seniors & experts show some way > > to apply astrology on Stock market. > > what are the reasons and how the planetary position will take the Stock Market up and what combination' s will make the Stock market come down. > > what are the sectors which can rise and as of now till what time can be upside bull market can sustain, > > Pls advice me some good books on using Astrology in Stock market, > > thanks > > sathya > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Dear Friends, Volatile nature of Stcok Markets is known very well.Now it is for the Investors and their sentiments to invest with the advice of an Astrolger or otherwise. 2.Astrology in it's present form want to make in roads into stock markets and able to guide and protect share holders and also Investors,certainly new challenges of the emerging field needs to be understood in it's total perspective.As of now it is to seek seek b4 pudding is ready. 3.Significance of Planets and houses that are most vital to analyse and indicate can never be ingnored.This will be known after making successful predictions. 4.May be we collate data with planets behavior and trends need to be forecast for better appreciation Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) --- On Sun, 10/18/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote: Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Sunday, October 18, 2009, 11:19 AM Dear All, //Astrology as a tool needs redesigning and reinvention. // It is not redesigning or reinvention that is required, but proper understaning of the roots and realigning them with the changing world. There are lot of difference between the first idea and the second. speaking of roots, it is very clear how much of it is properly understood from the post of a learned member about his doubt regarding jupiter & money. //As an Investor i consult professional in jyotish who knows several things and also venture setting aside risks.Hoping Venus,Jupiter and Mercury by way of some yoga will lend their support.It is nice if the sensex takes note and improves the share value and otherwise,the hope sinks and Investor gets shock.It is trading that makes tricks in today's scripts.// I am not very sure of what shree krishna ji is implying here. However it seems that he is implying at the wrong predictions of " professional astrologers " if consulted about the aquisition of wealth through trading activity. It is not the astrology that is wrong here but analysis and logic by that " professional astrologer " . In a prasna it is a basic dictom to look at afflictions in the 2nd house and 11nth house for gains of wealth & also 12th house - losses. The need of astrology is to reveal the " Unknown & Unforeseen " factors, whatever be the reasons responcible. There is no point in blaming the stock market if the said astrologer failed to interpret these basic conditions. The relationship of 8th house/lord can surely bring about unforeseen losses. Astrology or " Jyotisha " jyoti + ksha is said to be a ray of light in the dark and that is what astrologers are supposed to provide. If they fail, it is not the system to be blamed but system of learning. Today it has become much easier to study or research in astrology. I a second with the " press of button " , you get 1000's of data on a chart which other wise would have taken at 2 to 3 days of effort. But this has brought up other negatives as well. Astrologers got less & less familiar with the roots of astrology and their knowledge now can only be termed superficial. Even the best of astrologers can make mistakes and do mistakes but that should never be deterent for studing and research. There is an old saying, " if you don't know dancing don't blame the stage " . Let the dancing be done by the stocks & markets? A good fisherman knows how to hunt in troubled waters. Be it bull run or bearish run, he knows when to switch his trading method and make money. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. ____________ _________ _________ __ Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > Sun, October 18, 2009 7:55:19 PM Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Dear Shri Tripathy Ji, Nice that we recognise the need of Value in our system and also of the view that one who balance the adharma and dharma as well as spirtual instinct as against material instinct. we also now come to recognise how forces in society bring into the copetetiveness by way of trading to give values to our investment. As persons well versed in Astrology and also trying to make out our own interpretation of the classics enunciated possibly we might go wrong.with the passage of time,certainly jyotish needs a relook in assimilating classicals as per the need of the hour.In the Internet age,every thing we wish in push button mode.Also the highest order of Intelligence and wisdom given to the Homo sapiens in toto can take up any task and unravel with the aid of technology.Yet the question remains how far the socity gets benifit out of such exercise. Today the gigantic every one of us is race against the time and the availability of resources be it natural or man made.what ever logistics put in place do not really help an ordinary and common man.His needs are very limited and he awaits for his wishes to be fulfilled.Astrology as a tool needs redesigning and reinvention. Today trading is a self employment and people are willing to take for small brokerages and commissions. Investors want value for their monies after paying govt dues by way of taxes to contribute to the nations development. Companiesin the course of their working opt for mergers,acquisit ions and joint ventures are making things more dynamic.These dynamics have to be kept in mind and the role of share holder is never taken into confidence. As an Investor i consult professional in jyotish who knows several things and also venture setting aside risks.Hoping Venus,Jupiter and Mercury by way of some yoga will lend their support.It is nice if the sensex takes note and improves the share value and otherwise,the hope sinks and Investor gets shock.It is trading that makes tricks in today's scripts. Money is Money as Shri Suresh ji has mentioned in one of his mails whether it is currency in red/white/black. The most desirable liquid asset as known in commercial paralance is hunted ,treasured and invested.The value of such liquid asset is determined in wall street or by sensex.There are red caps vigilant to put tabs on trading but found to be helpless once huge monies were lost and siphoned off to invest else where.we no doubt appreciate human intelligence whther done by a DOn or by Mr Parekh..But the loosers of valuble possessions are deprived of their daily bread.we now need to work out a mechanism in an understandable way in jyotish to provide guidance on shre markets.this is a quest and so the brains have to join together and promote the nascent ideas. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) --- On Sun, 10/18/09, Pk Tripathy <pktripathy89@ > wrote: Pk Tripathy <pktripathy89@ > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Cc: pktripathy89@ Sunday, October 18, 2009, 9:41 AM Dear Gentlemen, Interesting topic.Lot many things have been stored which could be seen if we really move on unravelling ancient records. For first instance, take out any companies DOR and feed it correctly with the cusp-bhava analysis as narrated in KP and again feed it into transit-natal planetary influence carefully, then you are getting astro-trend of ready sharevalue of that particular commodity. You all agree, what we generally lack within us the adequate deep-going attitude in perceiving ancient vision and blame the sacred rishis, what ever they have found out only due to their meditation power, these so-called modern techies will take another thousands of years to unravell. To Mr. Suresh Babu: I doubt if any where is mentioned jupitar is for real money? Plsease verify the records and kindly confirm me in which text it is mentioned. Reg. Dharma-adharma topic, as narrated by Mr. Prashant and countered by Suresh Babu,I would like to say that this is not today, this is perhaps since the creation of universe, and that is perhaps, the play of almighty with his greedy,conservative amd most loving human creature. If you go back to any yugas, you will find there is huge gap of material instinct and spiritual instinct of human being and to make down the apex material instinct individual , God himself has to take step with giving birth to an apex spiritual instinct individual and through Him, He make the balance of spiritual and material instinct and then make the peace to be flown down to the earth. So, this is a cycle and this is not our burden and this is the creator's burden. What we do, is that, to carry out our assignment with most sacred desire. With best wishes, P K Tripathy. ____________ _________ _________ __ Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > @ . .com Sun, October 18, 2009 3:33:58 PM Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Dear Prashant ji & others, If you look at the economic breakdown scenario, Economics has been taught from school to postgraduation & P.Hd levels and its is those who graduated from high levels that caused the present break down. All that they taught & practiced so far resulted in failure. Can we undermine the responcibilities of these institutions to have taught worthless information & churned out equally useless MBA's & phd's? did the present example change the curiculam of these institutions. Perhaps it changed the value of such degrees without real maket exposure and many companies are vewing them with sceptism. We can go on & on talking about economics & economies and how the companies & politicians cheat the public and lament about our helplessness in the matter. But will it help in any way? My point is very simple & direct. Given that there are many dynamics that govern the stock market ranging from international to local, calamities to poli-tricks, We are living in todays world and we have to look at our options in the prespectiveness. But the assumptioms that sages would not have known about about adharmic practices or black / white / red money is nothing but unrealistic. Otherwise how could they write so much about adharma unless they had known about it? You have to know about it to have written something. All our scriptures differentiate dharma & adharma at various levels. So instead of the above it would be better if we can focus on What can Astrology provide them by way of guidence? And encourage those who are doing intensive work on the subject It is a fact that one can make enough profits from share market and it is always tempting and the kind of trading depends on the capacity to take risks depending on temperament and well as financial capacity. Those who have very weak 2nd house & 9th house should stay away from risky trading practices. So also if Venus is afflicted by Saturn. Trading is also an attribute of 7th house. So 2nd- financial strength, backing from family etc, 7th Trading, 9th-Bhagya & long term investments, 10th (main activity) , 11nth - profits or 12th losses. I am adding the contents of a mail sent personaly to a question regarding Shares & lotteries. ------------ ------- Share is a share in firm / company. It is not a lottery. When you purchase a share however small it is, you are becoming a partner of the company. However, it is also wealth in the form of a paper / aggreement / document and is not real money or wealth. Every related to paper /documents/aggreeme nts etc are related to mercury, while real money is related to Jupiter. Hence, we can say that share trading is also trading of paper money, which means mercury is the significator here. There are two type of trading. One is pure trading and other is investment. But the Main Karaka for trading is Venus. while investments again is the perview of Jupiter. So all these three Jupiter (Investments) , Venus (Trading) & mercury (Paper money-shares) are indicators. So pure trading in shares can be attributed to Venus & Mercury Investements is share could be attributed to Jupiter & Mercury But it is no way connected to lotteries. ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - The above also may help in some way. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > Sun, October 18, 2009 1:52:54 PM Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Dear Krishna ji I thinkl the black and whiote currences can be reflected in the dharmic or adharmic earning streams ina individual, organisation, nations charts isnt it and as said earlier also if a person gains there is also a person or few who do lose fromthe same script by selling isnt it it can be a gain in value to tbe buyer or fall in value to th seller that can tilt the actual gainers here. the value systems [yoga dharma] is governed by the pouplace in gen as now governances is by the masses, than the soverign authorities. we get the leaders we deserve corrupt ppl elect corrupt leaders. so the currenices are equally corrupt and trhey dictate the course of the business climate, market trends witht e fundementals quiteoften having no role if the govt is on a shaky wicket that period so is the mkkt no fundamentals of the TOP 30 companies can resuce it. and as the old adage goes if America has cold rest of the world has pnuemonia is still valied in USD pegged global ecconomy its debts its deficit, interest rate trends dictate the global piicture still so we need to study US chart like the rasi chart and any other country's chart as complimentorychart to get good direction in this the closing of US mkt will give the trends to EAST ASIAN ECCONOMIES NEXT DAY and they appear to run almost close to heels and throws its weight on Our markets as well. prashant http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 ____________ _________ _________ __ Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > Sun, October 18, 2009 12:22:46 PM Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Dear Friends Our subha muhurta chintamani that give details about Amritadi Ananda yogas and tara bala that form part of " This is a basic knowledge that Astrology in its most practical form can do. " can be taken advatage for stock market All these are general guidelines and their relevance to stock markets specifically to share market is neither required nor appropriate in any way. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) --- On Sun, 10/18/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Sunday, October 18, 2009, 2:35 AM Dear Vinay jha, //It is futile to waste one's time over argumentation over physical versus non-physical planets. Test of the pudding lies in tasting it..// perfectly said. What could be tasted should also be palatable. You have a taken a different road than others. Only furture & reality shall reveal which one is more correct and easy. An ordinary person sitting at his home trading will never be able to assess the kind of data(s) you are talking about and with your " arguments " of " physical & non-physcal planets " . This is the basic point you are missing in your logic. So let us forget about your conviction on PNP planets, if you don't mind, for the time being. Consider every one here as fools & ignorent. They have only a calender and basic Rasi & Navamsa chart with them. Can your model provide any pointers to them that they shall loose money on this particular day or they shall gain even after a few days, if they invest on those days..? This is a basic knowledge that Astrology in its most practical form can do. It is only commonsense that if any model require non-available data to work correctly, it will not make any sense or is practical. Hence, it is better to gather the available data and try to find a working model from those data. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. ____________ _________ _________ __ VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > Sun, October 18, 2009 7:23:53 AM Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market To Shenoy Ji and others : It is good to know that Shenoy Ji has some (or more) experience in Day Trading. He knows that earning 5-10% profit per day in stock trading cannot be a norm, but is only the theoretical limit. All stock experts and interested astrologers seek to find out means to realize this limit. Shenoy Ji rightly says : " I don't think it is correct to say that economics does not have a firm base in astrology " . Two years ago, I finished work on 55 years of India national income growth rate data provoded by Finance Minister's Economic Surveys, and found it to be PERFECTLY in tune with astrology. Later, I started working on stock markets. But till now, I am not able to assert that stock markets work 100% according to astrological precepts, because I lack data about horoscopes of companies and their owners. It is not a shortcoming of astrology. But 90% of all significant ups and downs in daily movement of stocks of all major companies taken as a whole works in harmony with astrology : it is a conclusion of research and not merely a passing observation. I disagree with Shenoy Ji's remark : " it is not very easy and needs huge efforts to bring out a working model. .......the work so far done has not even touched the base of this subject. " I possess the working model. But unfortunately, instead of testing this model practically, many astrologers are rejecting its n0n-physical planets. Instead of wasting time over arguments, is it not good to test a thing? But even one day's stock movement needs 25-33 horoscopes to be discussed, and my past experience with rain research shows that all my works in these fora will be unheeded. Rohiniranjan Ji was right in saying that internet is not fit for serious research : he has more experience of internet than me. Let me explain my model here. If one planet moves from one bhaava to another, a new horoscope is produced. During 6 hours of BSE workday, there are 24-25 such horoscopes. Between any two successive horoscopes, only one planet differs in its position. Hence, any up or down movement of SENSEX has to be judged from one planet at a time, and only 2nd Bhaava needs to be judged because market capitalization of all SENSEX companies is not a perfect but a good indicator of national wealth . Between any two successive horoscopes, sometimes other planets also change their their properties, such as friendiness towards and aspect on 2nd bhaava, house ownerships, relations & c. But such complexities are rare. Thus, the method is simple. Draw horoscopes for the meridians of Bombay and compare the combined movement of stock prices of topmost companies with astrological charts : one will find startling correspondences. Such correspondences will be more visible if the changes in combined index are large. 25 horoscopes will produce only 25 cusps and troughs in the curve during 10 am and 4 pm, but in reality there are many more variations, which are mostly minor and are due to horoscopes to individual companies and their owners. If 2nd bhaava is not under effective control of its lord, then impact of other planets becomes significant, and aspects of all planets on 2nd bhaava according to their friendliness or unfriendliness must be considered in detail. A few days' or a few weeks' exercize in comparing stock indices with astrological charts will make one expert in judging the QUANTITY of impact a planet makes on a given bhaava. This experience will help in other fields of astrology as well. Analysis of continuous graph of SENSEX will be useful in gaining a quantitative astrological intuition otherwise almost impossible. Comparison of two entirely different horoscopes does not help in this regard, because the differences are too many and it is often difficult to guess which factor led to the overall result. But analysis of continuous Time Series (eg, SENSEX index) provides an opportunity to analyse impacts of individual changes in horoscopes. It is the easiest way to learn practical astrology (not only stock-astrology but all astrology). Please reread this last para seriously. Here, I am discussing only Day Trading. Long term economic-astology has been discussed by me in earlier threads few months ago, explained in some Hindi articles on web. All schools of astrology have their plus points, but it is not because all of them are equally perfect. The reason is that all of them originated directly or indirectly from same archaic source which was religious, intuitive and holistic, unlike the empirical-logical mathod of moderners. It is futile to waste one's time over argumentation over physical versus non-physical planets. Test of the pudding lies in tasting it. -VJ ============ ========= ===== , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Vinay Jha & others > > Thank you very much for further inputs from yourside. > > I started on a research on the subject as I was also a very active participant in the daily stock trading and still holds DP accounts. So I have a first hand experience & knowledge of practical issues of trading for a common person. > > Unfortunately could not do much on the astrogical part due to heavy distractions, either from my own business or people comming to see me with their problems. Ultimately I was forced to set is aside the work since as you know finding answers to those in distress & helping them is more important than this activity. > > Unlike in other countries, where the market is driven by strong fundamentals, Indian market conditions varies if a politician just smiles on the tv screen.. Till a few years back trading activity was based on personal contacts. But new internet technologies has made it easier to trade online due to which a lot of persons many having little knowledge of the business came into the arena. Most of the companies (Major Brokers) focused on trading volume than the participants profits and hence issues many unrealistic trading tips, which evetually ended in heavy loss to the commonor. > > This practicaly made trading in India a gamble than a prudent investment or business activity. The sad part is that the Major brokers knew what happens even when their clients are loosing money. They have far more advanced softwares than what they provide their customers. > > However, atleast some of those companies has realised the mistake and trying to regain the confidence of the small traders by providing more realistic tips and infos and focusing on the profits made by these ordinary members. > > Regarding the success rate on each day: > > In this regard I would like those who are either trading or doing research watch the movement of Moon through 2 set of signs - Upachaya & Anupachaya signs either from native moon / 2nd house / 11nth house / their lords / venus / mercury / Jupiter for starters. Signs thus involved and aspected by transiting jupiter or the above lords just might hold the key for days profits or loss in trading. > > The above concepts (which is pure traditional astrological concept) may have to watched over a few days trading and logged carefully. The results may be much helpfull in real trading than theoritical works. > > I also would request Shree Vinay Jha to refrain from starting all over again on " Physical " & His concept of astronomy, which does not help practically any body. It would make sense to produce what the common person shall understand and can use. > > regards > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > VJha vinayjhaa16@ ... > > Sat, October 17, 2009 9:33:05 PM > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market > > > To All, > > I was away for 3 months from all fora and had not read this thread till > now. Many astrologers have put in good ideas, and Shenoy Ji has done a > good job to organize the discussion properly by classifying the > sub-topics to some extent. > > Shenoy Ji writes : > <<< In practical trading daily movement of sensex is of little help > unless the movement changes sharply on the mid-day, which takes any one > by surprise and chances of loss is high.>>> > > This view is the majority view, ie, the view of those who have little or > no practical experience in real time Day Trading. Day Traders in all > stock exchanges of the world employ myriads of stochastic and other > techniques to make small profits at almost each up and down. Experienced > day traders prosper even in a recessing market, because the main > principle of Day Trading is based not on overall loss or gain of index > in a day or more, but on making profits at each small plus or minus > change by means of selling when high and buying when low. There are 25 > such chances per working day, and 15-20 of them may witness more than > 0.25% difference in stock prices. Add them, and it makes 4-5% profit per > day, even if there is no major bullish or bearish activity. If there are > major changes, profits may be much more than 5%. > > Non-astrologers do not know why there are 25 ups plus downs per 6 hours > of working day. This strange phenomenon can be explained ONLY > astrologically : there are about 25 distinct horoscopes during 6 hours > due to nearly 25 transits of planets into various bhaavas. > > Thus, there are 25 distinct charts per working day for a given place, > and each of them should be analyzed strictly according to standard rules > of phalita jyotisha. > This technique is time-consuming, but it is ACCURATE, provided both > Ganita and Phalita are based on original precepts of sages. > > This technique will give graph of ALL companies registered at a > particular stock exchange, but can be roughly used to predict behaviour > of most effective companies, as grouped under Sensex or Nifty. One can > use this technique to buy/sell shares of ALL 30 companies of Sensex > simultaneously, because individual companies may differ from the > combined graph and may cheat the investor due to different astrological > fate as ensuing from the horoscope of that company or of its chief > owners. > > For mid-term and long-term investments, this technique is of no use : > one must use national horoscopes of three types : annual chart of Mesha > Samkraanti, Nakshatra charts which work for about 14 days, and > Shashtyamsha charts which work for about 12 hours. > > Now, market capitalization of topmost 30 or 50 companies account for a > good part of national wealth in India, hence 2nd bhaava in national > horoscope can be used to predict behaviour of Sensex or Nifty. > > I have tested above ideas successfully. But if the investor's personal > fate is not good, planetary propitiation must be performed before doing > anything in this field. > > Shenoy ji puts forth a good question : " How do we find the days on which > he is likely to make profits or loss? " > > The answer depends upon the accuracy of analysis of stocks as well as of > one'e own charts. In personal charts, most influential factors are > Vimshottsri plus Varshaphala+ Maasaphala. If the praana-dahsaa of a given > planet lasts for many days, exact timing of its chief effect can be > determined from the ratio of its degrees (foorgetting the raashi) to 30 > degrees and getting the same ratio in the duration of that > praana-dashaa. . Gochara helps further in exact timing of events. > > All astrologers in this thread already know the rudimentary concepts > outlined above, but the problem arises from application of PHYSICAL > astronomy which can never be cured on internet. > > -Vinay Jha > ============ === === > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Vijay Rajput & Vinay Jha, > > > > I have to thank both of you posting the info regarding work on stock > movements > > > > I aware that the research on the subject is time consuming and tedious > job. > > > > However, I think there are 2 basic issues that need to addressed. > > > > 1) daily movemnt of sensex along with sectoral indices. > > 2) Individual compatability with trading prospects in general > > 3) individuals daily rate of success or failure (profit /loss). > > > > In practical trading daily movement of sensex is of little help unless > the movement changes sharply on the mid-day, which takes any one by > surprise and chances of loss is high. > > > > How de we determine with certainity that an individual shall be > successfull in trading business? this does not involve long term > investments, but pure trading activity. > > > > Even if an individual is so compatable, he need make profit every day. > How do we find the days on which he is likely to make profits or loss? > > > > If we can find a resonable answer with atleast 60 to 70% of success > rate, it would be helpfull to many ordinary citizens who venture into > stock market expecting to make quick bucks. > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vijay Rajput vijayrajput13@ ... > > > > Sat, October 17, 2009 3:50:11 PM > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > Dear Prashantji,Krishnan ji and Sureshji,Namste, > > Happy Diwali to you and you family members. > > > > As Jupiter is in direct motion Bank Nifty,Reality, and infrastructures > are moving as predicted in the earlier post.Today Sun is moved in to > tula rasi and you will see some fall in the market and this may continue > for one or two trading sessions.As sun gives it's results at entry of > the sign.Further move in the Bank stocks/BankNifty is likely in the 1st > week of Nov 2009.Particapation in the market will also impove in this > week.Inester' s sentiments is going to improve in next moon as ketu will > move out of Karka rasi..Ketu in karka harmed the market sentimentaly. > > All the best > > Take Care > > Vijay > > > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > Saturday, October 3, 2009, 2:56 PM > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > The Sensex touching 17000 can not be considered as a guide for the > improvement of trading.. > > > > Mars into a water sign ruled by Moon is bound to give jitters..being a > festival season,with fears of famine.due to short fall of rains are > bound to have impact on sentiments. > > > > Globallly finances in stocks has not chnaged much.mainly mutual funds > happened to be main attaractions has still not raised hopes for > investor.Realty sector yet waiting for bank incentives.Even banks too > starved for advances.Private sector except communications. chemiclas and > where Govt holds major stakes is giving hopes.Thanx to our strong > economic base that is sparing the Govt tradings. > > > > At this point of time till jupiter moves direct a cautious approach > need to be exercised. > > > > One exception:For those daily tarding is their stuff they can be > relentless as profits and losses go hand in hand.Beware speculation are > guided by one's strength of 8th house aknown malefic house. > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > wrote: > > > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > > > Saturday, October 3, 2009, 10:18 AM > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay > > > > it is a good post but will like u to apply this for a week coming Next > monday or the week after on the said principles and make ur forecast and > ideal is to do it for the entire month week wise and this will cover the > sun entry into Libra also so 2 weeks in Librta can also be studied a > practical series of 3-4 weeks is a welcome one > > > > as it is a known fact that Mkts can't be really predicted by even the > best of expeets else why will we have the crisis that engulfed the world > in this magnitude at least a indication knowing it will happen this bad > was not said leave alone the %age > > > > u can see in some groups a few members r trying to predict the same > with the Sankranti yr model or sankranti Purusha, the aditipatis for > diff sectors and not much has happened to that on the 1st occassion 2nd > one is mixed. > > > > orashant > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Vijay Rajput <vijayrajput13@ > > > > > > > > > Sat, October 3, 2009 4:14:40 PM > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > Dear Satya Ji,Namaste, > > > > Past 2-3 years I am tracking the stock market by using the basic > principle of Vedic Astrology.My guru is helping me much in this > regard.In the month of April On 9th April 2009 while answering a query I > have predicted the short term bull run in the stock market after the > transit of Jupiter. > > > > Again in the month of June I have predicted the consolidation of > market and good rise in market is likely after 15th Oct 2009. > > > > Now how to use astrology is important.The boss of speculation is > Saturn so closely watch the movement of Sat. > > > > Jupiter is dhanad it's movement and good position always indicates the > liquidity in the market and you may be knowing at present only liquidity > and speculation is driving the market.Monthly movement is to be seen by > the move ment of Sun and sun gives the results at its entry.For day to > day movement the move ment of Moon is very Important.And to track the > intra day movement,the movement of Moon in D-60 is very Important and it > can ve used for the movement of market.The navamsa position of planets > gives the sector wise movement. > > > > In the coming period Jupiter and Mars will be sitting opposite to each > other during this period you will see the sharp move in > Banking,Realityand Infrastructure sectors.Watch the Bank Nifty. > > > > You can draw the Nifty Future's chart and use the daily transit on > this chart. > > > > Even you can cast the individual chart of stocks. > > > > All the best > > > > Take care > > > > Vijay > > > > --- On Mon, 9/28/09, Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > @ . . com > > > > Monday, September 28, 2009, 10:09 AM > > > > Hello Sathya Ji, > > > > Financial Astrology and particulalrly Stock trading is an emerging > concept.A couple of seminars have been held here there and some writers > have also contributes articles in express Star teller. > > > > After economic rforms when privatisation on large scale with PPPs ,JVs > and Venture Capital coming into existence the trade and economics was > undergoing sea change. > > > > And to upset the calculations, the war like situatins,monopoly of oil > producing contries have taken away sheen in the trade market. > > > > with huge success in Indian trade of mutual funds in India Astrologers > basing financial Institutions performance and with blue chips of Larsen > & Tubro,Tata, Relinace and Birla etc the speculation gianed lot of > importance as the risk has increased.These major industries suddenly > went behind screen with realty sector and DLF coming into picture. > > > > It is now certain,value of shares continue to hover around 5-6 major > secctors like land,Reality, Pharma,steel, cement and other constructions > industries. > > > > Apart from,Jupiter, venus,and Mercury,mars to has it's role in share > market. > > > > we hear about Bulls and bears.Bearish tency is always when visionaries > get combust mainly during amvasya days. > > > > Nodes too have role in sudden spurts in share values.The moon waxing > is an indication for once investment to give return. > > > > But short term and long term invest definetely has to be based on the > traditional view of slow moving palnets(Saturn, Jupiter and Vneus) and > short term the main trade is based on moon,mars and mercury. > > > > when mercury conjunct,combust one has to be careful in putchasing > stocks.Buying is investment and the trading has to be done on day to day > basis looking into moons brightness other wise.the timing too has to be > decided when sun is almost free from any malefic aspects. > > > > Sudden gains are always based on 8th house including horses > races,lotteries and windfalls..8th t0 8th that is 3rd also > trade,commerce and communication for disposals. > > > > 5th known to be house of intution has a major role intrading of > stcocks. 11th bhava income house and 2nd for wealth when afflicted in > natal chart one has to be very cautious in netering stcok markets. > > > > In traidng of stcoks losses are inherent,role of 12th house can never > be discounted .malefics in 12th always represent heavy losses.Benifics > may help in minimising losses.Thes fundamentals of Astrology cannever be > ignored. > > > > Commodity specifics lke ketu for pharmas,venus for building.saturn for > steel,Sun for Gold,mercury for chemicals and mars for land etc indicate > their importance. > > > > Mind dual houses represented by pisces9watery sign) gemini(airy sign) > virgo (earthy sign) and finally sagittarus(fiery sign) throw light on > the nature of commodities also.Precious metals and stomes are always > looked from 1,7and9 and buildings.2, 6 & 10,chemicals/ pahrma3,7 and > 11.Allwatery signs for cold sotages,beverages and thermal equipment etc. > > > > Some studies and guidance cane be obatained from pranavasramam. . > org.Some books written on the subject have yet to gain currency.Visit to > Bhavan's university Book Store in Delhi and sagar publications may help > as titles can be seen.writer who have brought out publications both in > Hindia and English may not be established writers. > > > > Last but not the least natives have 2-3 retrograde planets require > caution in vest ments.however scripts for immediate gains can be > traded.Having good jupiter karak for wealth can take risks and like wise > venus dasa and exalted venus in pisces can go in for any type of > trading.dasa of rahu ,Sade sati,trading in limited way may be done if > moon is not debilitated or weak. > > > > EXpress Star Teller has brought out some articles written by JUB > Sastry and other whcich are of help. > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > --- On Sat, 9/26/09, sathya <rainbow_in> wrote: > > > > sathya <rainbow_in> > > > > can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > > > Cc: bursar_99 > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009, 2:55 AM > > > > hello., > > > > Can the most learned seniors & experts show some way > > > > to apply astrology on Stock market. > > > > what are the reasons and how the planetary position will take the > Stock Market up and what combination' s will make the Stock market come > down. > > > > what are the sectors which can rise and as of now till what time can > be upside bull market can sustain, > > > > Pls advice me some good books on using Astrology in Stock market, > > > > thanks > > > > sathya > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Dear Vijay Rajput, I am glad that you are doing good work here. Now you have mentioned: // In transit when ever melefics are placed in the Upachaya sthana from Moon it gives good confidence in general and hence rise in stock market is seen.I tested it so many times.This is solely with respect to sentiments is concern.// This is something similar to what I had mentioned in an earlier post. The upachaya & Anupachaya classification. Though I did not spend much time to test, I stated this from a solid traditional theory (want to which?) However can you clarify further on this. Malefics in Upachaya from moon. From which Moon? Transit Moon? Ex: moon is in thula today. so malefics from Thula or are you reffering to natal chart of BSE? Though doesn't seem to. Have you checked the movement based on nakshatra? Moon can sometime change star in middle of a trading day?. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. , Vijay Rajput <vijayrajput13 wrote: > > Dear Sureshji and Others,Namaskar, > Thanks for encouragement. > Instead of getting in to the philosophical discussion on astrology and economical analysis of stock market, I would like to focus on the astrology and it's principle to understand stock market. > Whatever astrology we are doing is given to us by our sages.Nothing is added to it by us.But what we can do is, by understanding the principle we can apply them to this scenario and can define stocks,financial,etc. > Every body knows JRD Tata started his business with textiles, steel,airlines,oil etc > Ratan Tata shifted the focus to Software and Auto's. > Dhirubhai also started with textiles then petroleum etc. > But Anil Ambani changed his focus to communication and lime light like Mobile,Adlab,Big Tv,film production,Capital etc. > If you anlyse this you will understand how this people are making money. > Who is making > money for them? > It is very much clear that They are in to Saturn,Venus,Mercury group and smoothly shifting from one domain to other. > I try to anlyse in the same way and try to understand and how the money can be made. > It is very necessary to understand what is stock market and how it works? > What I understand is it is purely speculation,number crunching,unexpected,etc which is purely ruled by the great Saturn.What drives the stock market is the liquidity,so Jupiter is also very important and has big role to play. > Sun the general confidence and Moon shows the sentiments which is very important for the daily trading. > Moon is very important when daily trading comes in to picture.When moon is strong everybody knows it gives good sentiments. Most of the astrologer uses transit of planets with respect moon.Here I want to share something which I have tested in past few years.. > In transit when ever melefics are placed in the Upachaya sthana from Moon it gives good confidence in general and hence rise in stock market is seen.I tested it so many times.This is solely with respect to sentiments is concern. > When stock market or stock price goes up what happens?What I understand by this is it's market capital goes up and reputation also goes up.So it very important to understand this phenomenon. > Most of you may be knowing the NIfty Future's chart it haS karka lagna rising with ketu in lagna.You can apply the transit to this chart also. > Every body know what happen when ketu in lagna.Nature of nifty future can be understood going through it's chart. > Below is the chart of DLF listed on 5th July 2007. > The chart of DLF with Leo lagna rising certainly indicates the company having reality business. > There one principle in the nadi states that when the rasi and navamasa dispositer of labhesha are in sambandha in transit gives labha.This can be used in trading. > > > > > Rasi Chart of DLF-listed on 5-7-2007at9.55am NSE Mumbai > +--------------+ > | \ / \ / | > | \ / \ Sa / | > | \ / \ / | > | \ / Ve \ / | > | \ / \ / | > | x Md As > Gk x MeR Su | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ Ke / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ 5 > / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | JuR x | > | \ / \ / | > | \ > / \ / | > | \ / \ / | > | \ / Ra \ / | > | \ / \ / | > | x > Mo x Ma | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ > / \ | > | / \ / \ | > +--------------+ > > > So there are lot many things do share and lot of area is to be discussed. > All the best > Take Care > Vijay > > --- On Sun, 10/18/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market > > Sunday, October 18, 2009, 7:12 AM > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > Frankly speaking, I am very sorry to say , I couldn't make head or tails of what your implying or your line of thinking. > > > > white money or black money or intricasis of world economy are all secondry, while primary remains the individual. Sage will not be surprised at the type of currencies, whether it is black or white or horded or paper, for they have already provided many pointers to this effect such as drishya & adrishya, saturn's association, 12th bava associations etc. We only have to use the logic for the different problems at hand. > > > > About responcibilities: Aren't astrologers taking responcibility in their hands when you agrees to reject marriage compatability? I remember a case where a person had many leagal problems and his home was about to be taken over by bank. I advised not to take any action. In fact I told him that it will done on a particular day (with Lahiri Ayanamsa - so called physical astronomy) but just to smile at them. As predicted, they slapped notice on the house but could not anything. Now the bank is trying hard to give it back. He later came and thanked me. You know why? The bank did a big blunder as predicted and now they can't do anything other than giving the house back and going for a compromise. If he had taken any action before, they would had known about their mistake and would have taken neccessary steps, which if did, would have turned against my friend, who actually is not at fault. Was it not great > risk that I had reframed him in taking any > > action? How many such risks are we taking each day? This is why I wrote about about responcibilities of studying this subject in a much earlier discussion. And there much higher and unseen responcibilities that an astrologer takes, which has to experienced than talked. > > > > If you take a statistics, not even 1% percent of traders are going to look at astrology for daily trading, then why should we shy away from doing research on the subject? > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > Sun, October 18, 2009 8:27:49 AM > > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Suresh Ji > > When we tried very humbly to invest energies in to jyotish,we intended how this reverred science can help society and common Man. > > In the process we keep whole faith in our planets and try our best to track their behaviour and venture to indicate when some body can start earning,when and how he can get a spouse and also a male or a female child as a result of his marriage and all his health concerns besides his good luck and bad luck > > The responsibility thus taken has no limit on Astrologer and all this we endeavour by looking at skies > > So we deal some necessary things and some unnecessary things which should normally not the concern of jyotish.Iam ofcourse highlighting as what should not be the concern of jyotish.Might be keeping a tab on scope of Astrology is an irresponsible inkling. > > we need however to preserve AStrology from it's ideals and prudent principles. > > I am of the view,that the " undecided man for ever " shows no signs of apprehensions and willing to be a responsible person to the people around where he lives.So his efforts to sustain himself and support his own people commences.it is but natural if one can find short cuts to ensure happiness of his kith and kith without himself undergoing any stress on himself.Astrology if can bring a way out that is really worth millions. > > This is where jyotish has put a flow chart for every person for the sake of his guidance by including Dharma,Ardha, kama Moksha aspects of life. > > while a person through his educaion draws his own chart and finds due to his own chart but inconsistencies to turn to an Astrologer for guidance .Astrologer s remain as 2nd choice for guidance > > This constitutes only 30 percent of folk for whom we have to provide answers.Here fate of the nations,fate of the systems working and fate of the individals.fate of the ventures to depend on market forces etc need to be analysed.My apprehension however remains? > > It is quite freightening at this stage even to be aware of Global finances and Global exchanges. > > If the common man's interest is not protected any science I feel is of no consequence. So we need to understand full implications of economics first before we try to understand Astrologically what is white money and balck money. > > Funny aspect of life today it seems people have real estates but no money to eat? is it not a concern of all us to find us how such things occur? > > .I wish those saints who have guided us in the past if they come back to life once again to know these factors of white and black and other things Iam sure they will become dumb. > > The Dharma enunciated by an Astrologer has no relevence to country,to type of currency and variety of trades. > > what makes however vary is the ardha and kama which brings in stress factors.In this context the share what we have been talking about is not shared in real sense bringing the devide in Dhrama concepts.It is where Astrologer has dificulties as for him Deva Gana nad Raksha gana have equal significance. > > This where even renowned economists expressed in US as under: > > " The financial system has to be safe for failure, " said Summers.any " exit strategy " would be different on Main Street than it would on Wall Street. > > > > " The world wanted to be in Treasuries, in the safest and most liquid markets, and you saw the dollar rose when people were most concerned about the future of the world, " he said. > > > > Summers told an audience of financial market participants. " Wall Street was no small part of the cause of the crisis and Wall Street needs to be part of the solution. " > > > > While economists work under pressure to strengthen economy by warding off " hits " against USD,the common man only interested in his pursuits to have his daily bread. > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > --- On Sat, 10/17/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market > > > > Saturday, October 17, 2009, 2:48 PM > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > There are many observations that you have made which is totaly agreeble. > > > > What ever technical info we use to study stocks and their movements, it become useless on many grounds prevailing in India. But most of the experienced small or medium traders knows about this very well. As on date, Indian Stock Market is not independant due to many stocks listed in international stock exchanges. > > > > The hard hit persons are those who have invested all their savings. Some has borowed money for investing in the stocks. Those were the hardest hit because, what they bought not only lost its value, but liability remained at the higher rate of interest as well, which they couldn't make up. One can only say that it is greed that lead them to it. > > > > Vinay Jha's assertion of total percentages of changes a stock undergoes and rate of profitabilty is not at all practical. It looks good only on paper and is tempting too. But on practical front, one has to sit in front of terminal to understand its dynamics. > > ************ > > However that is not our point of discussion. Our efforts are to find a plausible link and solution through Astrology. I don't think it is correct to say that economics does not have a firm base in astrology, if I understand what you have said correctly. In that case, the whole of Astrology becomes redundant. If we can predict the financial prospects of an individual, there has to be connection with stock markets as well. > > > > It is true that during the time of sages, when they wrote Astrology, The practice of Share trading was not there and such extensive practices of cheating. But have laid the grounds and core principles. It is upto the present generation to study & co-relate those principles for the benefit of the public in the changing economic conditions. > > > > It is also true that it is not very easy and needs huge efforts to bring out a working model. A few predictions that comes true or fails doen't mean anything. Let those who have time and knowledge make those efforts. Every small help regarding pointers and astrological co-relationships might make their efforts much easier and bring about faster results. > > > > In any kind of research, it is not just the right principles that in important but wrong one too. When we establish a certain conditions or factor to wrong, it becomes much easier to find the conditions / factors from the remaining ones. So it doesn't matter what we say is right or wrong, but what matters is the right kind of participation. It is upto the researcher to establish whether it is correct or wrong. > > > > My personal knowledge & feeling is that, the work so far done has not even touched the base of this subject. So there is plenty to be unearthed and let this discussion be an encouragement for them. > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > Sat, October 17, 2009 11:01:09 PM > > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market > > > > > > Dear Shri Vinay Ji,Suresh Ji and others. > > On a most propitous day of Deepavali ,nice to have seen you in the forum.Ab intio,pleasenteries of Deepavali. > > we firmly believe in Astroogy and it's principle however understood analysed.In case the bhagya/destiny of a person has to be related to shares and trading,these principles interlinked economics have little impact. > > I know all of us venture to write and express our views but can not decide and judge the fate of Individuals. My close friends became millionares from T.Nagar of Madras and have become paupers from jharia of Bihar.I have no logic to churn out from astrological awareness. > > The economics of trading in shares has been a favoured subject after globalisation in India.Except " Master share " debacle in 1990.The principle for share markets contnues to be: " more active " more sell off and profits " .Bullish and bearish tendencies though man made and mid afternoon, gestures adds curiosity from media point of view.in any case we have to accept s really hrd core business to buy and sell shares.Issue however is not how much you enedeavour to invest.So we have chain of traders with more middle men to mislead in share market > > Astrology as applied has to be intricate with all it'sdivergent approaches: " Ganita and Phalita are based on original precepts of sages " > > One of my friend in Gujarat working for MS university Mr Shah's trade practices are instaneous as even small margins arising out of buying and selling on the same day too keep the going good. > > What actually gets complicated is the Astrological analysis of Shares and Stocks from Individual in perspective. > > I am not very firm on - " but on making profits at each small plus or minuschange by means of selling when high and buying when low.:This might be a cardinal principle approach but patterns often seem to change as shares of some the firms never undergo these volatile phases except room is created for inside trading. a dubious practice that pushes and upsets market trends. > > The point of study relating to indices and actual business patterns which are cyclic are not easily understandable let alone from the economics of trading point of view So " provided bothaccuracy of analysis of stocks' is academic but not really practicable. > > We have seen very few people aspiring to make career in shares and trading it is more as a hobby people test the field throwing aside: as well as of one'e own charts.;.Result we have seen several suiicides and homicides in this field along with contributing factor of crime. > > when economy of the country is driven by forces other than markets,we await lot of shocks.so we have festival tradings,marriage season fluctuations and what not. > > Finally Mars,the pivotal planet even as per kartikaadi chart20066 " and also 2nd house of this chart happens to be in papkartari'are threatening that can throw many principles of share markets to winds. > > Today what is pinching markets is lack of liquidity and financial institutions want to be sane and so no off loading of currency from chests. > > These issues relevant in economics for trading find to have no firm base in Astrology from individuals perspective. > > People can not afford to invest out of provident fund moneys to remind the story of 190s of Master share. > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > --- On Sat, 10/17/09, VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > > > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > > > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market > > > > Saturday, October 17, 2009, 12:03 PM > > > > > > > > To All, > > > > I was away for 3 months from all fora and had not read this thread till > > now. Many astrologers have put in good ideas, and Shenoy Ji has done a > > good job to organize the discussion properly by classifying the > > sub-topics to some extent. > > > > Shenoy Ji writes : > > <<< In practical trading daily movement of sensex is of little help > > unless the movement changes sharply on the mid-day, which takes any one > > by surprise and chances of loss is high.>>> > > > > This view is the majority view, ie, the view of those who have little or > > no practical experience in real time Day Trading. Day Traders in all > > stock exchanges of the world employ myriads of stochastic and other > > techniques to make small profits at almost each up and down. Experienced > > day traders prosper even in a recessing market, because the main > > principle of Day Trading is based not on overall loss or gain of index > > in a day or more, but on making profits at each small plus or minus > > change by means of selling when high and buying when low. There are 25 > > such chances per working day, and 15-20 of them may witness more than > > 0.25% difference in stock prices. Add them, and it makes 4-5% profit per > > day, even if there is no major bullish or bearish activity. If there are > > major changes, profits may be much more than 5%. > > > > Non-astrologers do not know why there are 25 ups plus downs per 6 hours > > of working day. This strange phenomenon can be explained ONLY > > astrologically : there are about 25 distinct horoscopes during 6 hours > > due to nearly 25 transits of planets into various bhaavas. > > > > Thus, there are 25 distinct charts per working day for a given place, > > and each of them should be analyzed strictly according to standard rules > > of phalita jyotisha. > > This technique is time-consuming, but it is ACCURATE, provided both > > Ganita and Phalita are based on original precepts of sages. > > > > This technique will give graph of ALL companies registered at a > > particular stock exchange, but can be roughly used to predict behaviour > > of most effective companies, as grouped under Sensex or Nifty. One can > > use this technique to buy/sell shares of ALL 30 companies of Sensex > > simultaneously, because individual companies may differ from the > > combined graph and may cheat the investor due to different astrological > > fate as ensuing from the horoscope of that company or of its chief > > owners. > > > > For mid-term and long-term investments, this technique is of no use : > > one must use national horoscopes of three types : annual chart of Mesha > > Samkraanti, Nakshatra charts which work for about 14 days, and > > Shashtyamsha charts which work for about 12 hours. > > > > Now, market capitalization of topmost 30 or 50 companies account for a > > good part of national wealth in India, hence 2nd bhaava in national > > horoscope can be used to predict behaviour of Sensex or Nifty. > > > > I have tested above ideas successfully. But if the investor's personal > > fate is not good, planetary propitiation must be performed before doing > > anything in this field. > > > > Shenoy ji puts forth a good question : " How do we find the days on which > > he is likely to make profits or loss? " > > > > The answer depends upon the accuracy of analysis of stocks as well as of > > one'e own charts. In personal charts, most influential factors are > > Vimshottsri plus Varshaphala+ Maasaphala. If the praana-dahsaa of a given > > planet lasts for many days, exact timing of its chief effect can be > > determined from the ratio of its degrees (foorgetting the raashi) to 30 > > degrees and getting the same ratio in the duration of that > > praana-dashaa. Gochara helps further in exact timing of events. > > > > All astrologers in this thread already know the rudimentary concepts > > outlined above, but the problem arises from application of PHYSICAL > > astronomy which can never be cured on internet. > > > > -Vinay Jha > > ============ === === > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " > > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vijay Rajput & Vinay Jha, > > > > > > I have to thank both of you posting the info regarding work on stock > > movements > > > > > > I aware that the research on the subject is time consuming and tedious > > job. > > > > > > However, I think there are 2 basic issues that need to addressed. > > > > > > 1) daily movemnt of sensex along with sectoral indices. > > > 2) Individual compatability with trading prospects in general > > > 3) individuals daily rate of success or failure (profit /loss). > > > > > > In practical trading daily movement of sensex is of little help unless > > the movement changes sharply on the mid-day, which takes any one by > > surprise and chances of loss is high. > > > > > > How de we determine with certainity that an individual shall be > > successfull in trading business? this does not involve long term > > investments, but pure trading activity. > > > > > > Even if an individual is so compatable, he need make profit every day. > > How do we find the days on which he is likely to make profits or loss? > > > > > > If we can find a resonable answer with atleast 60 to 70% of success > > rate, it would be helpfull to many ordinary citizens who venture into > > stock market expecting to make quick bucks. > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Vijay Rajput vijayrajput13@ ... > > > > > > Sat, October 17, 2009 3:50:11 PM > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashantji,Krishnan ji and Sureshji,Namste, > > > Happy Diwali to you and you family members. > > > > > > As Jupiter is in direct motion Bank Nifty,Reality, and infrastructures > > are moving as predicted in the earlier post.Today Sun is moved in to > > tula rasi and you will see some fall in the market and this may continue > > for one or two trading sessions.As sun gives it's results at entry of > > the sign.Further move in the Bank stocks/BankNifty is likely in the 1st > > week of Nov 2009.Particapation in the market will also impove in this > > week.Inester' s sentiments is going to improve in next moon as ketu will > > move out of Karka rasi.Ketu in karka harmed the market sentimentaly. > > > All the best > > > Take Care > > > Vijay > > > > > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > Saturday, October 3, 2009, 2:56 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > The Sensex touching 17000 can not be considered as a guide for the > > improvement of trading. > > > > > > Mars into a water sign ruled by Moon is bound to give jitters.being a > > festival season,with fears of famine.due to short fall of rains are > > bound to have impact on sentiments. > > > > > > Globallly finances in stocks has not chnaged much.mainly mutual funds > > happened to be main attaractions has still not raised hopes for > > investor.Realty sector yet waiting for bank incentives.Even banks too > > starved for advances.Private sector except communications. chemiclas and > > where Govt holds major stakes is giving hopes.Thanx to our strong > > economic base that is sparing the Govt tradings. > > > > > > At this point of time till jupiter moves direct a cautious approach > > need to be exercised. > > > > > > One exception:For those daily tarding is their stuff they can be > > relentless as profits and losses go hand in hand.Beware speculation are > > guided by one's strength of 8th house aknown malefic house. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > wrote: > > > > > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > > > > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, October 3, 2009, 10:18 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay > > > > > > it is a good post but will like u to apply this for a week coming Next > > monday or the week after on the said principles and make ur forecast and > > ideal is to do it for the entire month week wise and this will cover the > > sun entry into Libra also so 2 weeks in Librta can also be studied a > > practical series of 3-4 weeks is a welcome one > > > > > > as it is a known fact that Mkts can't be really predicted by even the > > best of expeets else why will we have the crisis that engulfed the world > > in this magnitude at least a indication knowing it will happen this bad > > was not said leave alone the %age > > > > > > u can see in some groups a few members r trying to predict the same > > with the Sankranti yr model or sankranti Purusha, the aditipatis for > > diff sectors and not much has happened to that on the 1st occassion 2nd > > one is mixed. > > > > > > orashant > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > Vijay Rajput <vijayrajput13@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, October 3, 2009 4:14:40 PM > > > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > Dear Satya Ji,Namaste, > > > > > > Past 2-3 years I am tracking the stock market by using the basic > > principle of Vedic Astrology.My guru is helping me much in this > > regard.In the month of April On 9th April 2009 while answering a query I > > have predicted the short term bull run in the stock market after the > > transit of Jupiter. > > > > > > Again in the month of June I have predicted the consolidation of > > market and good rise in market is likely after 15th Oct 2009. > > > > > > Now how to use astrology is important.The boss of speculation is > > Saturn so closely watch the movement of Sat. > > > > > > Jupiter is dhanad it's movement and good position always indicates the > > liquidity in the market and you may be knowing at present only liquidity > > and speculation is driving the market.Monthly movement is to be seen by > > the move ment of Sun and sun gives the results at its entry.For day to > > day movement the move ment of Moon is very Important.And to track the > > intra day movement,the movement of Moon in D-60 is very Important and it > > can ve used for the movement of market.The navamsa position of planets > > gives the sector wise movement. > > > > > > In the coming period Jupiter and Mars will be sitting opposite to each > > other during this period you will see the sharp move in > > Banking,Realityand Infrastructure sectors.Watch the Bank Nifty. > > > > > > You can draw the Nifty Future's chart and use the daily transit on > > this chart. > > > > > > Even you can cast the individual chart of stocks. > > > > > > All the best > > > > > > Take care > > > > > > Vijay > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/28/09, Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, September 28, 2009, 10:09 AM > > > > > > Hello Sathya Ji, > > > > > > Financial Astrology and particulalrly Stock trading is an emerging > > concept.A couple of seminars have been held here there and some writers > > have also contributes articles in express Star teller. > > > > > > After economic rforms when privatisation on large scale with PPPs ,JVs > > and Venture Capital coming into existence the trade and economics was > > undergoing sea change. > > > > > > And to upset the calculations, the war like situatins,monopoly of oil > > producing contries have taken away sheen in the trade market. > > > > > > with huge success in Indian trade of mutual funds in India Astrologers > > basing financial Institutions performance and with blue chips of Larsen > > & Tubro,Tata, Relinace and Birla etc the speculation gianed lot of > > importance as the risk has increased.These major industries suddenly > > went behind screen with realty sector and DLF coming into picture. > > > > > > It is now certain,value of shares continue to hover around 5-6 major > > secctors like land,Reality, Pharma,steel, cement and other constructions > > industries. > > > > > > Apart from,Jupiter, venus,and Mercury,mars to has it's role in share > > market. > > > > > > we hear about Bulls and bears.Bearish tency is always when visionaries > > get combust mainly during amvasya days. > > > > > > Nodes too have role in sudden spurts in share values.The moon waxing > > is an indication for once investment to give return. > > > > > > But short term and long term invest definetely has to be based on the > > traditional view of slow moving palnets(Saturn, Jupiter and Vneus) and > > short term the main trade is based on moon,mars and mercury. > > > > > > when mercury conjunct,combust one has to be careful in putchasing > > stocks.Buying is investment and the trading has to be done on day to day > > basis looking into moons brightness other wise.the timing too has to be > > decided when sun is almost free from any malefic aspects. > > > > > > Sudden gains are always based on 8th house including horses > > races,lotteries and windfalls..8th t0 8th that is 3rd also > > trade,commerce and communication for disposals. > > > > > > 5th known to be house of intution has a major role intrading of > > stcocks. 11th bhava income house and 2nd for wealth when afflicted in > > natal chart one has to be very cautious in netering stcok markets. > > > > > > In traidng of stcoks losses are inherent,role of 12th house can never > > be discounted .malefics in 12th always represent heavy losses.Benifics > > may help in minimising losses.Thes fundamentals of Astrology cannever be > > ignored. > > > > > > Commodity specifics lke ketu for pharmas,venus for building.saturn for > > steel,Sun for Gold,mercury for chemicals and mars for land etc indicate > > their importance. > > > > > > Mind dual houses represented by pisces9watery sign) gemini(airy sign) > > virgo (earthy sign) and finally sagittarus(fiery sign) throw light on > > the nature of commodities also.Precious metals and stomes are always > > looked from 1,7and9 and buildings.2, 6 & 10,chemicals/ pahrma3,7 and > > 11.Allwatery signs for cold sotages,beverages and thermal equipment etc. > > > > > > Some studies and guidance cane be obatained from pranavasramam. > > org.Some books written on the subject have yet to gain currency.Visit to > > Bhavan's university Book Store in Delhi and sagar publications may help > > as titles can be seen.writer who have brought out publications both in > > Hindia and English may not be established writers. > > > > > > Last but not the least natives have 2-3 retrograde planets require > > caution in vest ments.however scripts for immediate gains can be > > traded.Having good jupiter karak for wealth can take risks and like wise > > venus dasa and exalted venus in pisces can go in for any type of > > trading.dasa of rahu ,Sade sati,trading in limited way may be done if > > moon is not debilitated or weak. > > > > > > EXpress Star Teller has brought out some articles written by JUB > > Sastry and other whcich are of help. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > --- On Sat, 9/26/09, sathya <rainbow_in> wrote: > > > > > > sathya <rainbow_in> > > > > > > can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: bursar_99 > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009, 2:55 AM > > > > > > hello., > > > > > > Can the most learned seniors & experts show some way > > > > > > to apply astrology on Stock market. > > > > > > what are the reasons and how the planetary position will take the > > Stock Market up and what combination' s will make the Stock market come > > down. > > > > > > what are the sectors which can rise and as of now till what time can > > be upside bull market can sustain, > > > > > > Pls advice me some good books on using Astrology in Stock market, > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > sathya > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Dear Sureshji,Namaste, Malefics in Upachaya from Moon means TRANSIT MOON. If Moon is in tula then Upachaya from tula rasi. My Guru taught me that Navamsa is more sukshama then nakshatra so I prefer movement in Navamsa.So in transit when moon changes navamsa generaly trend in the market changes.I have checked the movement of moon in navamsa it gives fantastic results. When we take cue from Eruopean market on such days most of the time moon changes it's navamsa in afternoon.I have tested this so many times. Movement of moon in D-60 helps us to track the hourly movement of stock market or individual stock.With this one can predict at what time this or r that stock will go up or down. I am using NIfty future's chart for my study and predictions.As volume in the Nifty future is very high it good for study purpose and for predictions also.I am having chart of individual stocks also. All the best Take Care Vijay --- On Mon, 10/19/09, Suresh Babu <sureshbabuag wrote: Suresh Babu <sureshbabuag Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market Monday, October 19, 2009, 3:02 PM Dear Vijay Rajput, I am glad that you are doing good work here. Now you have mentioned: // In transit when ever melefics are placed in the Upachaya sthana from Moon it gives good confidence in general and hence rise in stock market is seen.I tested it so many times.This is solely with respect to sentiments is concern.// This is something similar to what I had mentioned in an earlier post. The upachaya & Anupachaya classification. Though I did not spend much time to test, I stated this from a solid traditional theory (want to which?) However can you clarify further on this. Malefics in Upachaya from moon. From which Moon? Transit Moon? Ex: moon is in thula today. so malefics from Thula or are you reffering to natal chart of BSE? Though doesn't seem to. Have you checked the movement based on nakshatra? Moon can sometime change star in middle of a trading day?. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. , Vijay Rajput <vijayrajput13@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Sureshji and Others,Namaskar, > Thanks for encouragement. > Instead of getting in to the philosophical discussion on astrology and economical analysis of stock market, I would like to focus on the astrology and it's principle to understand stock market. > Whatever astrology we are doing is given to us by our sages.Nothing is added to it by us.But what we can do is, by understanding the principle we can apply them to this scenario and can define stocks,financial, etc. > Every body knows JRD Tata started his business with textiles, steel,airlines, oil etc > Ratan Tata shifted the focus to Software and Auto's. > Dhirubhai also started with textiles then petroleum etc. > But Anil Ambani changed his focus to communication and lime light like Mobile,Adlab, Big Tv,film production,Capital etc. > If you anlyse this you will understand how this people are making money. > Who is making > money for them? > It is very much clear that They are in to Saturn,Venus, Mercury group and smoothly shifting from one domain to other. > I try to anlyse in the same way and try to understand and how the money can be made. > It is very necessary to understand what is stock market and how it works? > What I understand is it is purely speculation, number crunching,unexpecte d,etc which is purely ruled by the great Saturn.What drives the stock market is the liquidity,so Jupiter is also very important and has big role to play. > Sun the general confidence and Moon shows the sentiments which is very important for the daily trading. > Moon is very important when daily trading comes in to picture.When moon is strong everybody knows it gives good sentiments. Most of the astrologer uses transit of planets with respect moon.Here I want to share something which I have tested in past few years.. > In transit when ever melefics are placed in the Upachaya sthana from Moon it gives good confidence in general and hence rise in stock market is seen.I tested it so many times.This is solely with respect to sentiments is concern. > When stock market or stock price goes up what happens?What I understand by this is it's market capital goes up and reputation also goes up.So it very important to understand this phenomenon. > Most of you may be knowing the NIfty Future's chart it haS karka lagna rising with ketu in lagna.You can apply the transit to this chart also. > Every body know what happen when ketu in lagna.Nature of nifty future can be understood going through it's chart. > Below is the chart of DLF listed on 5th July 2007. > The chart of DLF with Leo lagna rising certainly indicates the company having reality business. > There one principle in the nadi states that when the rasi and navamasa dispositer of labhesha are in sambandha in transit gives labha.This can be used in trading. > > > > > Rasi Chart of DLF-listed on 5-7-2007at9. 55am NSE Mumbai > +----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- + > | \ / \ / | > | \ / \ Sa / | > | \ / \ / | > | \ / Ve \ / | > | \ / \ / | > | x Md As > Gk x MeR Su | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ Ke / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ 5 > / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | JuR x | > | \ / \ / | > | \ > / \ / | > | \ / \ / | > | \ / Ra \ / | > | \ / \ / | > | x > Mo x Ma | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ > / \ | > | / \ / \ | > +----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- + > > > So there are lot many things do share and lot of area is to be discussed. > All the best > Take Care > Vijay > > --- On Sun, 10/18/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market > > Sunday, October 18, 2009, 7:12 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > Frankly speaking, I am very sorry to say , I couldn't make head or tails of what your implying or your line of thinking. > > > > white money or black money or intricasis of world economy are all secondry, while primary remains the individual. Sage will not be surprised at the type of currencies, whether it is black or white or horded or paper, for they have already provided many pointers to this effect such as drishya & adrishya, saturn's association, 12th bava associations etc. We only have to use the logic for the different problems at hand. > > > > About responcibilities: Aren't astrologers taking responcibility in their hands when you agrees to reject marriage compatability? I remember a case where a person had many leagal problems and his home was about to be taken over by bank. I advised not to take any action. In fact I told him that it will done on a particular day (with Lahiri Ayanamsa - so called physical astronomy) but just to smile at them. As predicted, they slapped notice on the house but could not anything. Now the bank is trying hard to give it back. He later came and thanked me. You know why? The bank did a big blunder as predicted and now they can't do anything other than giving the house back and going for a compromise. If he had taken any action before, they would had known about their mistake and would have taken neccessary steps, which if did, would have turned against my friend, who actually is not at fault. Was it not great > risk that I had reframed him in taking any > > action? How many such risks are we taking each day? This is why I wrote about about responcibilities of studying this subject in a much earlier discussion. And there much higher and unseen responcibilities that an astrologer takes, which has to experienced than talked. > > > > If you take a statistics, not even 1% percent of traders are going to look at astrology for daily trading, then why should we shy away from doing research on the subject? > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > Sun, October 18, 2009 8:27:49 AM > > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Suresh Ji > > When we tried very humbly to invest energies in to jyotish,we intended how this reverred science can help society and common Man. > > In the process we keep whole faith in our planets and try our best to track their behaviour and venture to indicate when some body can start earning,when and how he can get a spouse and also a male or a female child as a result of his marriage and all his health concerns besides his good luck and bad luck > > The responsibility thus taken has no limit on Astrologer and all this we endeavour by looking at skies > > So we deal some necessary things and some unnecessary things which should normally not the concern of jyotish.Iam ofcourse highlighting as what should not be the concern of jyotish.Might be keeping a tab on scope of Astrology is an irresponsible inkling. > > we need however to preserve AStrology from it's ideals and prudent principles. > > I am of the view,that the " undecided man for ever " shows no signs of apprehensions and willing to be a responsible person to the people around where he lives.So his efforts to sustain himself and support his own people commences.it is but natural if one can find short cuts to ensure happiness of his kith and kith without himself undergoing any stress on himself.Astrology if can bring a way out that is really worth millions. > > This is where jyotish has put a flow chart for every person for the sake of his guidance by including Dharma,Ardha, kama Moksha aspects of life. > > while a person through his educaion draws his own chart and finds due to his own chart but inconsistencies to turn to an Astrologer for guidance .Astrologer s remain as 2nd choice for guidance > > This constitutes only 30 percent of folk for whom we have to provide answers.Here fate of the nations,fate of the systems working and fate of the individals.fate of the ventures to depend on market forces etc need to be analysed.My apprehension however remains? > > It is quite freightening at this stage even to be aware of Global finances and Global exchanges. > > If the common man's interest is not protected any science I feel is of no consequence. So we need to understand full implications of economics first before we try to understand Astrologically what is white money and balck money. > > Funny aspect of life today it seems people have real estates but no money to eat? is it not a concern of all us to find us how such things occur? > > .I wish those saints who have guided us in the past if they come back to life once again to know these factors of white and black and other things Iam sure they will become dumb. > > The Dharma enunciated by an Astrologer has no relevence to country,to type of currency and variety of trades. > > what makes however vary is the ardha and kama which brings in stress factors.In this context the share what we have been talking about is not shared in real sense bringing the devide in Dhrama concepts.It is where Astrologer has dificulties as for him Deva Gana nad Raksha gana have equal significance. > > This where even renowned economists expressed in US as under: > > " The financial system has to be safe for failure, " said Summers.any " exit strategy " would be different on Main Street than it would on Wall Street. > > > > " The world wanted to be in Treasuries, in the safest and most liquid markets, and you saw the dollar rose when people were most concerned about the future of the world, " he said. > > > > Summers told an audience of financial market participants. " Wall Street was no small part of the cause of the crisis and Wall Street needs to be part of the solution. " > > > > While economists work under pressure to strengthen economy by warding off " hits " against USD,the common man only interested in his pursuits to have his daily bread. > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > --- On Sat, 10/17/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market > > > > Saturday, October 17, 2009, 2:48 PM > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > There are many observations that you have made which is totaly agreeble. > > > > What ever technical info we use to study stocks and their movements, it become useless on many grounds prevailing in India. But most of the experienced small or medium traders knows about this very well. As on date, Indian Stock Market is not independant due to many stocks listed in international stock exchanges. > > > > The hard hit persons are those who have invested all their savings. Some has borowed money for investing in the stocks. Those were the hardest hit because, what they bought not only lost its value, but liability remained at the higher rate of interest as well, which they couldn't make up. One can only say that it is greed that lead them to it. > > > > Vinay Jha's assertion of total percentages of changes a stock undergoes and rate of profitabilty is not at all practical. It looks good only on paper and is tempting too. But on practical front, one has to sit in front of terminal to understand its dynamics. > > ************ > > However that is not our point of discussion. Our efforts are to find a plausible link and solution through Astrology. I don't think it is correct to say that economics does not have a firm base in astrology, if I understand what you have said correctly. In that case, the whole of Astrology becomes redundant. If we can predict the financial prospects of an individual, there has to be connection with stock markets as well. > > > > It is true that during the time of sages, when they wrote Astrology, The practice of Share trading was not there and such extensive practices of cheating. But have laid the grounds and core principles. It is upto the present generation to study & co-relate those principles for the benefit of the public in the changing economic conditions. > > > > It is also true that it is not very easy and needs huge efforts to bring out a working model. A few predictions that comes true or fails doen't mean anything. Let those who have time and knowledge make those efforts. Every small help regarding pointers and astrological co-relationships might make their efforts much easier and bring about faster results. > > > > In any kind of research, it is not just the right principles that in important but wrong one too. When we establish a certain conditions or factor to wrong, it becomes much easier to find the conditions / factors from the remaining ones. So it doesn't matter what we say is right or wrong, but what matters is the right kind of participation. It is upto the researcher to establish whether it is correct or wrong. > > > > My personal knowledge & feeling is that, the work so far done has not even touched the base of this subject. So there is plenty to be unearthed and let this discussion be an encouragement for them. > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > > Sat, October 17, 2009 11:01:09 PM > > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market > > > > > > Dear Shri Vinay Ji,Suresh Ji and others. > > On a most propitous day of Deepavali ,nice to have seen you in the forum.Ab intio,pleasenteries of Deepavali. > > we firmly believe in Astroogy and it's principle however understood analysed.In case the bhagya/destiny of a person has to be related to shares and trading,these principles interlinked economics have little impact. > > I know all of us venture to write and express our views but can not decide and judge the fate of Individuals. My close friends became millionares from T.Nagar of Madras and have become paupers from jharia of Bihar.I have no logic to churn out from astrological awareness. > > The economics of trading in shares has been a favoured subject after globalisation in India.Except " Master share " debacle in 1990.The principle for share markets contnues to be: " more active " more sell off and profits " .Bullish and bearish tendencies though man made and mid afternoon, gestures adds curiosity from media point of view.in any case we have to accept s really hrd core business to buy and sell shares.Issue however is not how much you enedeavour to invest.So we have chain of traders with more middle men to mislead in share market > > Astrology as applied has to be intricate with all it'sdivergent approaches: " Ganita and Phalita are based on original precepts of sages " > > One of my friend in Gujarat working for MS university Mr Shah's trade practices are instaneous as even small margins arising out of buying and selling on the same day too keep the going good. > > What actually gets complicated is the Astrological analysis of Shares and Stocks from Individual in perspective. > > I am not very firm on - " but on making profits at each small plus or minuschange by means of selling when high and buying when low.:This might be a cardinal principle approach but patterns often seem to change as shares of some the firms never undergo these volatile phases except room is created for inside trading. a dubious practice that pushes and upsets market trends. > > The point of study relating to indices and actual business patterns which are cyclic are not easily understandable let alone from the economics of trading point of view So " provided bothaccuracy of analysis of stocks' is academic but not really practicable. > > We have seen very few people aspiring to make career in shares and trading it is more as a hobby people test the field throwing aside: as well as of one'e own charts.;.Result we have seen several suiicides and homicides in this field along with contributing factor of crime. > > when economy of the country is driven by forces other than markets,we await lot of shocks.so we have festival tradings,marriage season fluctuations and what not. > > Finally Mars,the pivotal planet even as per kartikaadi chart20066 " and also 2nd house of this chart happens to be in papkartari'are threatening that can throw many principles of share markets to winds. > > Today what is pinching markets is lack of liquidity and financial institutions want to be sane and so no off loading of currency from chests. > > These issues relevant in economics for trading find to have no firm base in Astrology from individuals perspective. > > People can not afford to invest out of provident fund moneys to remind the story of 190s of Master share. > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > --- On Sat, 10/17/09, VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > > > VJha <vinayjhaa16@ > > > Re: Apply Astrology on Stock Market > > > > Saturday, October 17, 2009, 12:03 PM > > > > > > > > To All, > > > > I was away for 3 months from all fora and had not read this thread till > > now. Many astrologers have put in good ideas, and Shenoy Ji has done a > > good job to organize the discussion properly by classifying the > > sub-topics to some extent. > > > > Shenoy Ji writes : > > <<< In practical trading daily movement of sensex is of little help > > unless the movement changes sharply on the mid-day, which takes any one > > by surprise and chances of loss is high.>>> > > > > This view is the majority view, ie, the view of those who have little or > > no practical experience in real time Day Trading. Day Traders in all > > stock exchanges of the world employ myriads of stochastic and other > > techniques to make small profits at almost each up and down. Experienced > > day traders prosper even in a recessing market, because the main > > principle of Day Trading is based not on overall loss or gain of index > > in a day or more, but on making profits at each small plus or minus > > change by means of selling when high and buying when low. There are 25 > > such chances per working day, and 15-20 of them may witness more than > > 0.25% difference in stock prices. Add them, and it makes 4-5% profit per > > day, even if there is no major bullish or bearish activity. If there are > > major changes, profits may be much more than 5%. > > > > Non-astrologers do not know why there are 25 ups plus downs per 6 hours > > of working day. This strange phenomenon can be explained ONLY > > astrologically : there are about 25 distinct horoscopes during 6 hours > > due to nearly 25 transits of planets into various bhaavas. > > > > Thus, there are 25 distinct charts per working day for a given place, > > and each of them should be analyzed strictly according to standard rules > > of phalita jyotisha. > > This technique is time-consuming, but it is ACCURATE, provided both > > Ganita and Phalita are based on original precepts of sages. > > > > This technique will give graph of ALL companies registered at a > > particular stock exchange, but can be roughly used to predict behaviour > > of most effective companies, as grouped under Sensex or Nifty. One can > > use this technique to buy/sell shares of ALL 30 companies of Sensex > > simultaneously, because individual companies may differ from the > > combined graph and may cheat the investor due to different astrological > > fate as ensuing from the horoscope of that company or of its chief > > owners. > > > > For mid-term and long-term investments, this technique is of no use : > > one must use national horoscopes of three types : annual chart of Mesha > > Samkraanti, Nakshatra charts which work for about 14 days, and > > Shashtyamsha charts which work for about 12 hours. > > > > Now, market capitalization of topmost 30 or 50 companies account for a > > good part of national wealth in India, hence 2nd bhaava in national > > horoscope can be used to predict behaviour of Sensex or Nifty. > > > > I have tested above ideas successfully. But if the investor's personal > > fate is not good, planetary propitiation must be performed before doing > > anything in this field. > > > > Shenoy ji puts forth a good question : " How do we find the days on which > > he is likely to make profits or loss? " > > > > The answer depends upon the accuracy of analysis of stocks as well as of > > one'e own charts. In personal charts, most influential factors are > > Vimshottsri plus Varshaphala+ Maasaphala. If the praana-dahsaa of a given > > planet lasts for many days, exact timing of its chief effect can be > > determined from the ratio of its degrees (foorgetting the raashi) to 30 > > degrees and getting the same ratio in the duration of that > > praana-dashaa. Gochara helps further in exact timing of events. > > > > All astrologers in this thread already know the rudimentary concepts > > outlined above, but the problem arises from application of PHYSICAL > > astronomy which can never be cured on internet. > > > > -Vinay Jha > > ============ === === > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " > > <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vijay Rajput & Vinay Jha, > > > > > > I have to thank both of you posting the info regarding work on stock > > movements > > > > > > I aware that the research on the subject is time consuming and tedious > > job. > > > > > > However, I think there are 2 basic issues that need to addressed. > > > > > > 1) daily movemnt of sensex along with sectoral indices. > > > 2) Individual compatability with trading prospects in general > > > 3) individuals daily rate of success or failure (profit /loss). > > > > > > In practical trading daily movement of sensex is of little help unless > > the movement changes sharply on the mid-day, which takes any one by > > surprise and chances of loss is high. > > > > > > How de we determine with certainity that an individual shall be > > successfull in trading business? this does not involve long term > > investments, but pure trading activity. > > > > > > Even if an individual is so compatable, he need make profit every day. > > How do we find the days on which he is likely to make profits or loss? > > > > > > If we can find a resonable answer with atleast 60 to 70% of success > > rate, it would be helpfull to many ordinary citizens who venture into > > stock market expecting to make quick bucks. > > > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Vijay Rajput vijayrajput13@ ... > > > > > > Sat, October 17, 2009 3:50:11 PM > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > > > > Dear Prashantji,Krishnan ji and Sureshji,Namste, > > > Happy Diwali to you and you family members. > > > > > > As Jupiter is in direct motion Bank Nifty,Reality, and infrastructures > > are moving as predicted in the earlier post.Today Sun is moved in to > > tula rasi and you will see some fall in the market and this may continue > > for one or two trading sessions.As sun gives it's results at entry of > > the sign.Further move in the Bank stocks/BankNifty is likely in the 1st > > week of Nov 2009.Particapation in the market will also impove in this > > week.Inester' s sentiments is going to improve in next moon as ketu will > > move out of Karka rasi.Ketu in karka harmed the market sentimentaly. > > > All the best > > > Take Care > > > Vijay > > > > > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > Saturday, October 3, 2009, 2:56 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > The Sensex touching 17000 can not be considered as a guide for the > > improvement of trading. > > > > > > Mars into a water sign ruled by Moon is bound to give jitters.being a > > festival season,with fears of famine.due to short fall of rains are > > bound to have impact on sentiments. > > > > > > Globallly finances in stocks has not chnaged much.mainly mutual funds > > happened to be main attaractions has still not raised hopes for > > investor.Realty sector yet waiting for bank incentives.Even banks too > > starved for advances.Private sector except communications. chemiclas and > > where Govt holds major stakes is giving hopes.Thanx to our strong > > economic base that is sparing the Govt tradings. > > > > > > At this point of time till jupiter moves direct a cautious approach > > need to be exercised. > > > > > > One exception:For those daily tarding is their stuff they can be > > relentless as profits and losses go hand in hand.Beware speculation are > > guided by one's strength of 8th house aknown malefic house. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > wrote: > > > > > > Prashant Kumar G B gbp_kumar > > > > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, October 3, 2009, 10:18 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay > > > > > > it is a good post but will like u to apply this for a week coming Next > > monday or the week after on the said principles and make ur forecast and > > ideal is to do it for the entire month week wise and this will cover the > > sun entry into Libra also so 2 weeks in Librta can also be studied a > > practical series of 3-4 weeks is a welcome one > > > > > > as it is a known fact that Mkts can't be really predicted by even the > > best of expeets else why will we have the crisis that engulfed the world > > in this magnitude at least a indication knowing it will happen this bad > > was not said leave alone the %age > > > > > > u can see in some groups a few members r trying to predict the same > > with the Sankranti yr model or sankranti Purusha, the aditipatis for > > diff sectors and not much has happened to that on the 1st occassion 2nd > > one is mixed. > > > > > > orashant > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > Vijay Rajput <vijayrajput13@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, October 3, 2009 4:14:40 PM > > > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > Dear Satya Ji,Namaste, > > > > > > Past 2-3 years I am tracking the stock market by using the basic > > principle of Vedic Astrology.My guru is helping me much in this > > regard.In the month of April On 9th April 2009 while answering a query I > > have predicted the short term bull run in the stock market after the > > transit of Jupiter. > > > > > > Again in the month of June I have predicted the consolidation of > > market and good rise in market is likely after 15th Oct 2009. > > > > > > Now how to use astrology is important.The boss of speculation is > > Saturn so closely watch the movement of Sat. > > > > > > Jupiter is dhanad it's movement and good position always indicates the > > liquidity in the market and you may be knowing at present only liquidity > > and speculation is driving the market.Monthly movement is to be seen by > > the move ment of Sun and sun gives the results at its entry.For day to > > day movement the move ment of Moon is very Important.And to track the > > intra day movement,the movement of Moon in D-60 is very Important and it > > can ve used for the movement of market.The navamsa position of planets > > gives the sector wise movement. > > > > > > In the coming period Jupiter and Mars will be sitting opposite to each > > other during this period you will see the sharp move in > > Banking,Realityand Infrastructure sectors.Watch the Bank Nifty. > > > > > > You can draw the Nifty Future's chart and use the daily transit on > > this chart. > > > > > > Even you can cast the individual chart of stocks. > > > > > > All the best > > > > > > Take care > > > > > > Vijay > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/28/09, Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan bursar_99 > > > > > > > Re: can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, September 28, 2009, 10:09 AM > > > > > > Hello Sathya Ji, > > > > > > Financial Astrology and particulalrly Stock trading is an emerging > > concept.A couple of seminars have been held here there and some writers > > have also contributes articles in express Star teller. > > > > > > After economic rforms when privatisation on large scale with PPPs ,JVs > > and Venture Capital coming into existence the trade and economics was > > undergoing sea change. > > > > > > And to upset the calculations, the war like situatins,monopoly of oil > > producing contries have taken away sheen in the trade market. > > > > > > with huge success in Indian trade of mutual funds in India Astrologers > > basing financial Institutions performance and with blue chips of Larsen > > & Tubro,Tata, Relinace and Birla etc the speculation gianed lot of > > importance as the risk has increased.These major industries suddenly > > went behind screen with realty sector and DLF coming into picture. > > > > > > It is now certain,value of shares continue to hover around 5-6 major > > secctors like land,Reality, Pharma,steel, cement and other constructions > > industries. > > > > > > Apart from,Jupiter, venus,and Mercury,mars to has it's role in share > > market. > > > > > > we hear about Bulls and bears.Bearish tency is always when visionaries > > get combust mainly during amvasya days. > > > > > > Nodes too have role in sudden spurts in share values.The moon waxing > > is an indication for once investment to give return. > > > > > > But short term and long term invest definetely has to be based on the > > traditional view of slow moving palnets(Saturn, Jupiter and Vneus) and > > short term the main trade is based on moon,mars and mercury. > > > > > > when mercury conjunct,combust one has to be careful in putchasing > > stocks.Buying is investment and the trading has to be done on day to day > > basis looking into moons brightness other wise.the timing too has to be > > decided when sun is almost free from any malefic aspects. > > > > > > Sudden gains are always based on 8th house including horses > > races,lotteries and windfalls..8th t0 8th that is 3rd also > > trade,commerce and communication for disposals. > > > > > > 5th known to be house of intution has a major role intrading of > > stcocks. 11th bhava income house and 2nd for wealth when afflicted in > > natal chart one has to be very cautious in netering stcok markets. > > > > > > In traidng of stcoks losses are inherent,role of 12th house can never > > be discounted .malefics in 12th always represent heavy losses.Benifics > > may help in minimising losses.Thes fundamentals of Astrology cannever be > > ignored. > > > > > > Commodity specifics lke ketu for pharmas,venus for building.saturn for > > steel,Sun for Gold,mercury for chemicals and mars for land etc indicate > > their importance. > > > > > > Mind dual houses represented by pisces9watery sign) gemini(airy sign) > > virgo (earthy sign) and finally sagittarus(fiery sign) throw light on > > the nature of commodities also.Precious metals and stomes are always > > looked from 1,7and9 and buildings.2, 6 & 10,chemicals/ pahrma3,7 and > > 11.Allwatery signs for cold sotages,beverages and thermal equipment etc. > > > > > > Some studies and guidance cane be obatained from pranavasramam. > > org.Some books written on the subject have yet to gain currency.Visit to > > Bhavan's university Book Store in Delhi and sagar publications may help > > as titles can be seen.writer who have brought out publications both in > > Hindia and English may not be established writers. > > > > > > Last but not the least natives have 2-3 retrograde planets require > > caution in vest ments.however scripts for immediate gains can be > > traded.Having good jupiter karak for wealth can take risks and like wise > > venus dasa and exalted venus in pisces can go in for any type of > > trading.dasa of rahu ,Sade sati,trading in limited way may be done if > > moon is not debilitated or weak. > > > > > > EXpress Star Teller has brought out some articles written by JUB > > Sastry and other whcich are of help. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > --- On Sat, 9/26/09, sathya <rainbow_in> wrote: > > > > > > sathya <rainbow_in> > > > > > > can i apply Astrology on Stock market > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: bursar_99 > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009, 2:55 AM > > > > > > hello., > > > > > > Can the most learned seniors & experts show some way > > > > > > to apply astrology on Stock market. > > > > > > what are the reasons and how the planetary position will take the > > Stock Market up and what combination' s will make the Stock market come > > down. > > > > > > what are the sectors which can rise and as of now till what time can > > be upside bull market can sustain, > > > > > > Pls advice me some good books on using Astrology in Stock market, > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > sathya > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 Dear Vijay Rajput & others I find an interesting movement in the sensex today. Though the overall sensex is down, smallcap index is up by 86 points at the I am posting this message 12:20Pm. Which planet do you think can we consider for smallcap index in general? Mercury? A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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