Guest guest Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Dear Bhagwati Ji ,Tripath Ji & Seniors,Sadar Namasthe, By Nurse I was told birth time of my daughter as 11:00:00PM on 24.06.1995 at District BASTI(U.P) Longitude 82E44,Latitude 26N48.But I found that given time was wrong because I checked and found that sub lord of ascendant does not match with star lord of Moon and sub-sub lord of ascendant does not match with sub lord of Moon. I tried to rectify the birth time and found that between 10:55:55PM to 10:56:10PM the sub lord of ascendant and star lord of Moon is Sun and similarly Sub-sub lord of ascendant and Sub lord of Moon is Saturn.As a rule it is now proved that birth of my daughter has taken place between 10:55:55PM to 10:56:10PM.But there is still uncertainty of 15 seconds time and Sub-Sub lord of 2nd, 4th,7th,8th,10th,11th and 12th cusp are changed after 15 seconds and Rasi lords,Nakshatra lords,Sub Lords of each cusp are the same from 10:55:55PM to 10:56:10PM.Variation of 15 seconds also changes the Sukshma & Pran Dasa periods. In this condition how to arrive at correct birth time and as to what birth time should be taken between 10:55:55PM to 10:56:10PM.Due to change of sub-sub lord of 2nd, 4th,7th,8th,10th,11th and 12th cusp I have put this query to be answered by competent astrologers with reasonings and corresponding rules.If possible please attach complete Horoscope of corrected birth time. With thanks & regards, Dhirendra Nath Misra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 Dear Misra ji, as u know I use B V RAMANS' ayanamsa for my analysis at no point I have said the star did not tally to ramans so i will change birth time. that is in my own case the star is kritika -4th pada in ramans it will be Rohini 1st. to fit it with ramans i must shift the brith time further or fit it with lahiris I have to shift it further backwards this way for all cases. whatever I get i work on it with min correction, I have found its value to work as ramans is close to Pisca zita or revathi, revathi was used even from v long time in surya siddhanta still there r references to it in books published by western authors 200 yrs ago too on the correctness of the equinox without modern aids [which ever period available modern tools] so in all such cases shud i declare the time as wrong where in all sandhi of stars or lagna shifting? so u r trying to a squire plug in a round hole....! DID U TRY THE NADI AMSAS, shastiamsas for correction of birth time insterad of sub lords u may get better results and they r well detailed in BPHS. Parasara has given 60 amsas to use effectively for diff subjects and if can fine tune them it is better as in all cases it is time rectification still. BIRTH TIME IS NEVER PERFECT AS IT IS THE MOST COMPLICATED event and it is always reported time not observed time except now a days when the parent of the women or spouse watch the delivery and recird it. nurses can report it only after finishing their job of cleaning the child as it is born. apart form observing irs first moments in life which have its own weight in the de;ivery, child to live etc. Prashant .- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. /database?method=reportRows & tbl=6 ________________________________ Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra Sat, October 24, 2009 2:20:17 AM What is correct birth time between 10:55:55PM to 10:56:10PM Dear Bhagwati Ji ,Tripath Ji & Seniors,Sadar Namasthe, By Nurse I was told birth time of my daughter as 11:00:00PM on 24.06.1995 at District BASTI(U.P) Longitude 82E44,Latitude 26N48.But I found that given time was wrong because I checked and found that sub lord of ascendant does not match with star lord of Moon and sub-sub lord of ascendant does not match with sub lord of Moon. I tried to rectify the birth time and found that between 10:55:55PM to 10:56:10PM the sub lord of ascendant and star lord of Moon is Sun and similarly Sub-sub lord of ascendant and Sub lord of Moon is Saturn.As a rule it is now proved that birth of my daughter has taken place between 10:55:55PM to 10:56:10PM.But there is still uncertainty of 15 seconds time and Sub-Sub lord of 2nd, 4th,7th, 8th,10th, 11th and 12th cusp are changed after 15 seconds and Rasi lords,Nakshatra lords,Sub Lords of each cusp are the same from 10:55:55PM to 10:56:10PM.Variatio n of 15 seconds also changes the Sukshma & Pran Dasa periods. In this condition how to arrive at correct birth time and as to what birth time should be taken between 10:55:55PM to 10:56:10PM.Due to change of sub-sub lord of 2nd, 4th,7th, 8th,10th, 11th and 12th cusp I have put this query to be answered by competent astrologers with reasonings and corresponding rules.If possible please attach complete Horoscope of corrected birth time. With thanks & regards, Dhirendra Nath Misra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 Dear Shri Dhirender Ji, Now it is your daughter's horoscope and the time given by hospital authorities and as entered in the record. From 1995 till date there are lot of events that too place and as parents you have guided her.Now all her actions and by waya of Karmas have to pave way for her destiny. Incase you have found problems and felt need for correction,there is some meaning to attempt this exercise. Out of 100 cases,if we adopt according to our own knowlege of jyotish and correct and in all 110 the 5 sec of time matters and needs correction. The correction of date of birth is to be attempted made only if it is exceptional and the evnts that occur have relevance.In case Jyotish Ji feels gross miscalculations,let him work out and give results.otherwise myself as an Astrologer in the field: 1.I check data first as soon as some details given through Prashna and ensure data is relevant and correct. 2Based on problems and the difficulties we find gochara and link with dasa. 3.If Gochara and birth time kalpurusha to in tune with each other,we proceed further to analyse and help native. At no stage ,we as Astrologers need to meddle with data unless the reasons are obvious. Also in future if some thing does not go well we think the data is wrong and need may arise to further correct birth time. Infact based on the time given and the time corrected changes in parana dasa visleshan have not changed much.Also the transit/gochara too only supported state of things as per natal cahrt,navamsa and other divisional charts. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) --- On Fri, 10/23/09, Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra wrote: Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra What is correct birth time between 10:55:55PM to 10:56:10PM Friday, October 23, 2009, 4:50 PM Dear Bhagwati Ji ,Tripath Ji & Seniors,Sadar Namasthe, By Nurse I was told birth time of my daughter as 11:00:00PM on 24.06.1995 at District BASTI(U.P) Longitude 82E44,Latitude 26N48.But I found that given time was wrong because I checked and found that sub lord of ascendant does not match with star lord of Moon and sub-sub lord of ascendant does not match with sub lord of Moon. I tried to rectify the birth time and found that between 10:55:55PM to 10:56:10PM the sub lord of ascendant and star lord of Moon is Sun and similarly Sub-sub lord of ascendant and Sub lord of Moon is Saturn.As a rule it is now proved that birth of my daughter has taken place between 10:55:55PM to 10:56:10PM.But there is still uncertainty of 15 seconds time and Sub-Sub lord of 2nd, 4th,7th, 8th,10th, 11th and 12th cusp are changed after 15 seconds and Rasi lords,Nakshatra lords,Sub Lords of each cusp are the same from 10:55:55PM to 10:56:10PM.Variatio n of 15 seconds also changes the Sukshma & Pran Dasa periods. In this condition how to arrive at correct birth time and as to what birth time should be taken between 10:55:55PM to 10:56:10PM.Due to change of sub-sub lord of 2nd, 4th,7th, 8th,10th, 11th and 12th cusp I have put this query to be answered by competent astrologers with reasonings and corresponding rules.If possible please attach complete Horoscope of corrected birth time. With thanks & regards, Dhirendra Nath Misra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 Dear friend, Please check if the subsub lord is strong significator of houses 1,7 and 10 ? If yes. It is alright. Regards, Mrutyunjay Tripathy (Consultancy out of group is not free) , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dear Shri Dhirender Ji, > Now it is your daughter's horoscope and the time given by hospital authorities and as entered in the record. > From 1995 till date there are lot of events that too place and as parents you have guided her.Now all her actions and by waya of Karmas have to pave way for her destiny. > Incase you have found problems and felt need for correction,there is some meaning to attempt this exercise. > Out of 100 cases,if we adopt according to our own knowlege of jyotish and correct and in all 110 the 5 sec of time matters and needs correction. > The correction of date of birth is to be attempted made only if it is exceptional and the evnts that occur have relevance.In case Jyotish Ji feels gross miscalculations,let him work out and give results.otherwise myself as an Astrologer in the field: > 1.I check data first as soon as some details given through Prashna and ensure data is relevant and correct. > 2Based on problems and the difficulties we find gochara and link with dasa. > 3.If Gochara and birth time kalpurusha to in tune with each other,we proceed further to analyse and help native. > At no stage ,we as Astrologers need to meddle with data unless the reasons are obvious. > Also in future if some thing does not go well we think the data is wrong and need may arise to further correct birth time. > Infact based on the time given and the time corrected changes in parana dasa visleshan have not changed much.Also the transit/gochara too only supported state of things as per natal cahrt,navamsa and other divisional charts. > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > > > --- On Fri, 10/23/09, Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra wrote: > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra > What is correct birth time between 10:55:55PM to 10:56:10PM > > Friday, October 23, 2009, 4:50 PM > > > > > > > Dear Bhagwati Ji ,Tripath Ji & Seniors,Sadar Namasthe, By Nurse I was told birth time of my daughter as 11:00:00PM on 24.06.1995 at District BASTI(U.P) Longitude 82E44,Latitude 26N48.But I found that given time was wrong because I checked and found that sub lord of ascendant does not match with star lord of Moon and sub-sub lord of ascendant does not match with sub lord of Moon. > I tried to rectify the birth time and found that between 10:55:55PM to 10:56:10PM the sub lord of ascendant and star lord of Moon is Sun and similarly Sub-sub lord of ascendant and Sub lord of Moon is Saturn.As a rule it is now proved that birth of my daughter has taken place between 10:55:55PM to 10:56:10PM.But there is still uncertainty of 15 seconds time and Sub-Sub lord of 2nd, 4th,7th, 8th,10th, 11th and 12th cusp are changed after 15 seconds and Rasi lords,Nakshatra lords,Sub Lords of each cusp are the same from 10:55:55PM to 10:56:10PM.Variatio n of 15 seconds also changes the Sukshma & Pran Dasa periods. > In this condition how to arrive at correct birth time and as to what birth time should be taken between 10:55:55PM to 10:56:10PM.Due to change of sub-sub lord of 2nd, 4th,7th, 8th,10th, 11th and 12th cusp I have put this query to be answered by competent astrologers with reasonings and corresponding rules.If possible please attach complete Horoscope of corrected birth time. > With thanks & regards, > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 Dear Dhirendra ji, I feel there are some basic comflicts in between two systems. Hence, comaparisons may not be possible between the two and the analysis will have to be done with either one of the system only. I doubt if they could be combined for accurate results Ie: TOB correction using KP & analisys using traditional system & vice versa. Here are my thoughts. I had earlier described one of the traditional mathematical model using " Kunda " . The word in sanskrit denotes number 81. ie: 9 * 9 basicaly navanavamsa sputa. The nakshtra of the above Sputa of lagna should be Janama or anujanma nakshtra of moon. we adjust the time a few seconds or minutes according to logical nearness of time. However, there are also other riders that needs to checked. Why? lagnanavaaMshapatulyatanuH syaa- dwiiryayutagrihatulyatanurvvaa chandrasametanavaaMshapavarNaH kaadivilagnavibhaktabhagaatraH.. meaning: The physic or body will be similar to the Navamsa lord of the lagna or similar to the one that is strong. Varnna (color, caste etc) is equal to the moon's navamsa. similary other riders such as oja rasi & oja amsa = purusha janma & vice versa also help in assertaing the lagna correctly. Here amsa means navamsa & dwadasamsa. kruuragrihaissubalibhirvibalaishcha saumaiH kLiibe chatuShTayagate tadavekshaNadwaa. chandropagadwirasabhaagasamaanaruupaM sattwaM vadedyadi bhavet sa viyonisaM~naH.. " dwirasasamaana " means dwadasamsa. So moons dwadasamsa indicates the physical nature including type of birth. So whatever tob you arive at, the resultant navamsa, dwasamsa should reflect the nature of the person. Now as per KP you are using the compatability issue is many 1) ayanamsa is different about 00:06:00 difference from lahiri. 2) KP uses Lord of the sign, Lord of Star & lord of Navamsa of star (Sub lord) right? The difference here while in all the normal computations traditional astrology uses the 3:20:00 as one navamsa, in this case KP uses 13:20 divided by 1/9 part of its Dasa years giving a slightly different navamsa durations. So there won't be correlation between what you are mentioning and other systems. Again due to ayanamsa difference alone there could be difference in the dasa/bhuti/anthra/chidra/prana/sookshma etc OR it could be due to very small amout of errors in software. Different software languages have different parameters & properties that control & reflect in representation of numbers. these also can produce minute difference in the smallest fraction level that represent the dasa from 3rd level onwards. that is why such parameters are not generaly checked by astrologers unless they are absolutely sure of the tob. I shall further illustrate with this example: Lahiri Ayanamsa 10:55:00 to 10:55:27 PM Vimshottari Sun-Jupiter-Rahu Lagna : Kumbha Navamsa of Lagna : Meena Dwadasamsa of lagna : Simha/kanya Nakshtra : Kritika Kalahora : Mars 11:03:40 to 11:04:09 PM Vimshottari Sun-Saturn-Saturn Lagna : Kumbha Navamsa of Lagna : Mesha Dwadasamsa of lagna : Thula Nakshtra : Kritika Kalahora : Sun B.V.Ramsa's Ayanamsa Chandra Hari Ayanamsa I hope you do understand the importance of tallying the features of the individual from the above. In the above list if other features fit & other dasa events also satisfy, I am inclined to go with the time after 11:00:00. with the kalahora of Sun. You can also compare the methods illustrated by Shree Mrithyunjay Tripaty ji also. But as per pure KP system, you may get slightly different parameters which could only be explained by that KP system. For example, KM has provided results of birth in each navamsa of star as per KP in each sign. You may find if those results match with your time & navamsa of star. regards A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy 10:52:53 to 10:53:21 PM Vimshottari Sun-Jupiter-Venus Lagna : Kumbha Navamsa of Lagna : Kumbha Dwadasamsa of lagna : Simha Nakshtra : Kritika Kalahora : Mars 11:01:35 to 11:02:03 PM Vimshottari Sun-Jupiter-Venus Lagna : Kumbha Navamsa of Lagna : Meena Dwadasamsa of lagna : Kanya Nakshtra : Kritika Kalahora : Sun 10:55:00 to 10:55:29 PM Vimshottari Sun-Jupiter-Rahu Lagna : Kumbha Navamsa of Lagna : Meena Dwadasamsa of lagna : Simha / Kanya Nakshtra : Kritika Kalahora : Mars 11:03:48 to 11:04:09 PM Vimshottari Sun-Saturn-Saturn Lagna : Kumbha Navamsa of Lagna : Mesha Dwadasamsa of lagna : Thula Nakshtra : Kritika Kalahora : Sun ________________________________ Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 Sat, October 24, 2009 11:45:32 AM Re: What is correct birth time between 10:55:55PM to 10:56:10PM Dear Shri Dhirender Ji, Now it is your daughter's horoscope and the time given by hospital authorities and as entered in the record. From 1995 till date there are lot of events that too place and as parents you have guided her.Now all her actions and by waya of Karmas have to pave way for her destiny. Incase you have found problems and felt need for correction,there is some meaning to attempt this exercise. Out of 100 cases,if we adopt according to our own knowlege of jyotish and correct and in all 110 the 5 sec of time matters and needs correction. The correction of date of birth is to be attempted made only if it is exceptional and the evnts that occur have relevance.In case Jyotish Ji feels gross miscalculations, let him work out and give results.otherwise myself as an Astrologer in the field: 1.I check data first as soon as some details given through Prashna and ensure data is relevant and correct. 2Based on problems and the difficulties we find gochara and link with dasa. 3.If Gochara and birth time kalpurusha to in tune with each other,we proceed further to analyse and help native. At no stage ,we as Astrologers need to meddle with data unless the reasons are obvious. Also in future if some thing does not go well we think the data is wrong and need may arise to further correct birth time. Infact based on the time given and the time corrected changes in parana dasa visleshan have not changed much.Also the transit/gochara too only supported state of things as per natal cahrt,navamsa and other divisional charts. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) --- On Fri, 10/23/09, Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@ ymail.com> wrote: Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@ ymail.com> What is correct birth time between 10:55:55PM to 10:56:10PM Friday, October 23, 2009, 4:50 PM Dear Bhagwati Ji ,Tripath Ji & Seniors,Sadar Namasthe, By Nurse I was told birth time of my daughter as 11:00:00PM on 24.06.1995 at District BASTI(U.P) Longitude 82E44,Latitude 26N48.But I found that given time was wrong because I checked and found that sub lord of ascendant does not match with star lord of Moon and sub-sub lord of ascendant does not match with sub lord of Moon. I tried to rectify the birth time and found that between 10:55:55PM to 10:56:10PM the sub lord of ascendant and star lord of Moon is Sun and similarly Sub-sub lord of ascendant and Sub lord of Moon is Saturn.As a rule it is now proved that birth of my daughter has taken place between 10:55:55PM to 10:56:10PM.But there is still uncertainty of 15 seconds time and Sub-Sub lord of 2nd, 4th,7th, 8th,10th, 11th and 12th cusp are changed after 15 seconds and Rasi lords,Nakshatra lords,Sub Lords of each cusp are the same from 10:55:55PM to 10:56:10PM.Variatio n of 15 seconds also changes the Sukshma & Pran Dasa periods. In this condition how to arrive at correct birth time and as to what birth time should be taken between 10:55:55PM to 10:56:10PM.Due to change of sub-sub lord of 2nd, 4th,7th, 8th,10th, 11th and 12th cusp I have put this query to be answered by competent astrologers with reasonings and corresponding rules.If possible please attach complete Horoscope of corrected birth time. With thanks & regards, Dhirendra Nath Misra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 Dear Tripathy Ji & Seniors,Sadar Namasthe,The Saturn is Sub sub lord of 1st cusp and it is strong significator of Ist cusp and Normal of 9th cusp and weak significator of 2,11,and 12th cusp.But I have to fix the correct birth time between 10:55:55PM to 10:56:10PM.Hence I put this query to know the exact moment of birth.Is it correct to take 10:55:55PM time as sirodaya time.Practically Sirodaya also takes at least 15to 30 seconds.So please tell me further on the basis of rules and shastra in this regard.Please make it clear as this topic is involved in most of the birth charts of people. With thanks & regards, Dhirendra Nath Misra ________________________________ jyotish <astrologer_mrutyunjay Sat, October 24, 2009 4:23:00 PM Re: What is correct birth time between 10:55:55PM to 10:56:10PM Dear friend, Please check if the subsub lord is strong significator of houses 1,7 and 10 ? If yes. It is alright. Regards, Mrutyunjay Tripathy (Consultancy out of group is not free) , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Shri Dhirender Ji, > Now it is your daughter's horoscope and the time given by hospital authorities and as entered in the record. > From 1995 till date there are lot of events that too place and as parents you have guided her.Now all her actions and by waya of Karmas have to pave way for her destiny. > Incase you have found problems and felt need for correction,there is some meaning to attempt this exercise. > Out of 100 cases,if we adopt according to our own knowlege of jyotish and correct and in all 110 the 5 sec of time matters and needs correction. > The correction of date of birth is to be attempted made only if it is exceptional and the evnts that occur have relevance.In case Jyotish Ji feels gross miscalculations, let him work out and give results.otherwise myself as an Astrologer in the field: > 1.I check data first as soon as some details given through Prashna and ensure data is relevant and correct. > 2Based on problems and the difficulties we find gochara and link with dasa. > 3.If Gochara and birth time kalpurusha to in tune with each other,we proceed further to analyse and help native. > At no stage ,we as Astrologers need to meddle with data unless the reasons are obvious. > Also in future if some thing does not go well we think the data is wrong and need may arise to further correct birth time. > Infact based on the time given and the time corrected changes in parana dasa visleshan have not changed much.Also the transit/gochara too only supported state of things as per natal cahrt,navamsa and other divisional charts. > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > > > --- On Fri, 10/23/09, Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra wrote: > > > Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra > What is correct birth time between 10:55:55PM to 10:56:10PM > > Friday, October 23, 2009, 4:50 PM > > > > > > > Dear Bhagwati Ji ,Tripath Ji & Seniors,Sadar Namasthe, By Nurse I was told birth time of my daughter as 11:00:00PM on 24.06.1995 at District BASTI(U.P) Longitude 82E44,Latitude 26N48.But I found that given time was wrong because I checked and found that sub lord of ascendant does not match with star lord of Moon and sub-sub lord of ascendant does not match with sub lord of Moon. > I tried to rectify the birth time and found that between 10:55:55PM to 10:56:10PM the sub lord of ascendant and star lord of Moon is Sun and similarly Sub-sub lord of ascendant and Sub lord of Moon is Saturn.As a rule it is now proved that birth of my daughter has taken place between 10:55:55PM to 10:56:10PM.But there is still uncertainty of 15 seconds time and Sub-Sub lord of 2nd, 4th,7th, 8th,10th, 11th and 12th cusp are changed after 15 seconds and Rasi lords,Nakshatra lords,Sub Lords of each cusp are the same from 10:55:55PM to 10:56:10PM.Variatio n of 15 seconds also changes the Sukshma & Pran Dasa periods. > In this condition how to arrive at correct birth time and as to what birth time should be taken between 10:55:55PM to 10:56:10PM.Due to change of sub-sub lord of 2nd, 4th,7th, 8th,10th, 11th and 12th cusp I have put this query to be answered by competent astrologers with reasonings and corresponding rules.If possible please attach complete Horoscope of corrected birth time. > With thanks & regards, > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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