What is correct birth time between 10:55:55PM to 10:56:10PM-repost

October 24, 2009

This is just a re-post. The data got jumbled some how in the previous post.

Dear Dhirendra ji,

I feel there are some basic conflicts in between two systems. Hence, comparisons

may not be possible between the two and the analysis will have to be done with

either one of the system only. I doubt if they could be combined for accurate

results Ie: TOB correction using KP & analysis using traditional system & vice

versa.

Here are my thoughts.

I had earlier described one of the traditional mathematical model using " Kunda " .

The word in sanskrit denotes number 81. ie: 9 * 9 basicaly navanavamsa sputa.

The nakshatra of the above Sputa of lagna should be Janama or anujanma nakshtra

of moon. we adjust the time a few seconds or minutes according to logical

nearness of time.

However, there are also other riders that need to be checked. Why?

lagnanavaaMshapatul yatanuH syaa-

dwiiryayutagrihatul yatanurvvaa

chandrasametanavaaM shapavarNaH

kaadivilagnavibhakt abhagaatraH. .

meaning: The physic or body will be similar to the Navamsa lord of the lagna or

similar to the one that is strong. Varnna (color, caste etc) is equal to the

moon's navamsa.

similary other riders such as oja rasi & oja amsa = purusha janma & vice versa

also help in assertaing the lagna correctly. Here amsa means navamsa &

dwadasamsa.

kruuragrihaissubali bhirvibalaishcha saumaiH

kLiibe chatuShTayagate tadavekshaNadwaa.

chandropagadwirasab haagasamaanaruup aM

sattwaM vadedyadi bhavet sa viyonisaM~naH. .

" dwirasasamaana " means dwadasamsa. So moons dwadasamsa indicates the physical

nature including type of birth.

So whatever tob you arive at, the resultant navamsa, dwasamsa should reflect the

nature of the person.

Now as per KP you are using the compatibility issue is many

1) ayanamsa is different about 00:06:00 difference from lahiri.

2) KP uses Lord of the sign, Lord of Star & lord of Navamsa of star (Sub lord)

right?

The difference here while in all the normal computations traditional astrology

uses the 3:20:00 as one navamsa, in this case KP uses 13:20 divided by 1/9 part

of its Dasa years giving a slightly different navamsa durations.

So there won't be correlation between what you are mentioning and other systems.

Again due to ayanamsa difference alone there could be difference in the

dasa/bhuti/anthra/ chidra/prana/ sookshma etc OR it could be due to very small

amout of errors in software. Different software languages have different

parameters & properties that control & reflect in representation of numbers.

these also can produce minute difference in the smallest fraction level that

represent the dasa from 3rd level onwards. that is why such parameters are not

generaly checked by astrologers unless they are absolutely sure of the tob.

I shall further illustrate with this example:

Lahiri Ayanamsa

10:55:00 to 10:55:27 PM

Vimshottari Sun-Jupiter- Rahu

Lagna : Kumbha

Navamsa of Lagna : Meena

Dwadasamsa of lagna : Simha/kanya

Nakshtra : Kritika

Kalahora : Mars

11:03:40 to 11:04:09 PM

Vimshottari Sun-Saturn-Saturn

Lagna : Kumbha

Navamsa of Lagna : Mesha

Dwadasamsa of lagna : Thula

Nakshtra : Kritika

Kalahora : Sun

B.V.Ramsa's Ayanamsa

10:52:53 to 10:53:21 PM

Vimshottari Sun-Jupiter- Venus

Lagna : Kumbha

Navamsa of Lagna : Kumbha

Dwadasamsa of lagna : Simha

Nakshtra : Kritika

Kalahora : Mars

11:01:35 to 11:02:03 PM

Vimshottari Sun-Jupiter- Venus

Lagna : Kumbha

Navamsa of Lagna : Meena

Dwadasamsa of lagna : Kanya

Nakshtra : Kritika

Kalahora : Sun

Chandra Hari Ayanamsa

10:55:00 to 10:55:29 PM

Vimshottari Sun-Jupiter- Rahu

Lagna : Kumbha

Navamsa of Lagna : Meena

Dwadasamsa of lagna : Simha / Kanya

Nakshtra : Kritika

Kalahora : Mars

11:03:48 to 11:04:09 PM

Vimshottari Sun-Saturn-Saturn

Lagna : Kumbha

Navamsa of Lagna : Mesha

Dwadasamsa of lagna : Thula

Nakshtra : Kritika

Kalahora : Sun

I hope you do understand the importance of tallying the features of the

individual from the above.

In the above list if other features fit & other dasa events also satisfy, I am

inclined to go with the time after 11:00:00. with the kalahora of Sun.

You can also compare the methods illustrated by Shree Mrithyunjay Tripaty ji

also.

But as per pure KP system, you may get slightly different parameters which could

only be explained by that KP system. For example, KM has provided results of

birth in each navamsa of star as per KP in each sign. You may find if those

results match with your time & navamsa of star.

regards

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag

wrote:

>

> Dear Dhirendra ji,

>

> I feel there are some basic comflicts in between two systems. Hence,

comaparisons may not be possible between the two and the analysis will have to

be done with either one of the system only. I doubt if they could be combined

for accurate results Ie: TOB correction using KP & analisys using traditional

system & vice versa.

>

> Here are my thoughts.

>

> I had earlier described one of the traditional mathematical model using

" Kunda " . The word in sanskrit denotes number 81. ie: 9 * 9 basicaly navanavamsa

sputa.

>

> The nakshtra of the above Sputa of lagna should be Janama or anujanma nakshtra

of moon. we adjust the time a few seconds or minutes according to logical

nearness of time.

>

> However, there are also other riders that needs to checked. Why?

>

> lagnanavaaMshapatulyatanuH syaa-

> dwiiryayutagrihatulyatanurvvaa

> chandrasametanavaaMshapavarNaH

> kaadivilagnavibhaktabhagaatraH..

> meaning: The physic or body will be similar to the Navamsa lord of the lagna

or similar to the one that is strong. Varnna (color, caste etc) is equal to the

moon's navamsa.

>

> similary other riders such as oja rasi & oja amsa = purusha janma & vice versa

also help in assertaing the lagna correctly. Here amsa means navamsa &

dwadasamsa.

> kruuragrihaissubalibhirvibalaishcha saumaiH

> kLiibe chatuShTayagate tadavekshaNadwaa.

> chandropagadwirasabhaagasamaanaruupaM

> sattwaM vadedyadi bhavet sa viyonisaM~naH..

>

> " dwirasasamaana " means dwadasamsa. So moons dwadasamsa indicates the physical

nature including type of birth.

>

> So whatever tob you arive at, the resultant navamsa, dwasamsa should reflect

the nature of the person.

>

> Now as per KP you are using the compatability issue is many

>

> 1) ayanamsa is different about 00:06:00 difference from lahiri.

> 2) KP uses Lord of the sign, Lord of Star & lord of Navamsa of star (Sub

lord) right?

>

> The difference here while in all the normal computations traditional astrology

uses the 3:20:00 as one navamsa, in this case KP uses 13:20 divided by 1/9

part of its Dasa years giving a slightly different navamsa durations.

>

> So there won't be correlation between what you are mentioning and other

systems.

>

> Again due to ayanamsa difference alone there could be difference in the

dasa/bhuti/anthra/chidra/prana/sookshma etc OR it could be due to very small

amout of errors in software. Different software languages have different

parameters & properties that control & reflect in representation of numbers.

these also can produce minute difference in the smallest fraction level

that represent the dasa from 3rd level onwards. that is why such parameters are

not generaly checked by astrologers unless they are absolutely sure of the tob.

>

> I shall further illustrate with this example:

>

> Lahiri Ayanamsa

> 10:55:00 to 10:55:27 PM

> Vimshottari Sun-Jupiter-Rahu

> Lagna : Kumbha

> Navamsa of Lagna : Meena

> Dwadasamsa of lagna : Simha/kanya

> Nakshtra : Kritika

> Kalahora : Mars

> 11:03:40 to 11:04:09 PM

> Vimshottari Sun-Saturn-Saturn

> Lagna : Kumbha

> Navamsa of Lagna : Mesha

> Dwadasamsa of lagna : Thula

> Nakshtra : Kritika

> Kalahora : Sun

>

> B.V.Ramsa's Ayanamsa

>

> Chandra Hari Ayanamsa

>

> I hope you do understand the importance of tallying the features of the

individual from the above.

>

> In the above list if other features fit & other dasa events also satisfy, I am

inclined to go with the time after 11:00:00. with the kalahora of Sun.

>

> You can also compare the methods illustrated by Shree Mrithyunjay Tripaty ji

also.

>

> But as per pure KP system, you may get slightly different parameters which

could only be explained by that KP system. For example, KM has provided results

of birth in each navamsa of star as per KP in each sign. You may find if those

results match with your time & navamsa of star.

>

> regards

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> 10:52:53 to 10:53:21 PM

> Vimshottari Sun-Jupiter-Venus

> Lagna : Kumbha

> Navamsa of Lagna : Kumbha

> Dwadasamsa of lagna : Simha

> Nakshtra : Kritika

> Kalahora : Mars

> 11:01:35 to 11:02:03 PM

> Vimshottari Sun-Jupiter-Venus

> Lagna : Kumbha

> Navamsa of Lagna : Meena

> Dwadasamsa of lagna : Kanya

> Nakshtra : Kritika

> Kalahora : Sun

> 10:55:00 to 10:55:29 PM

> Vimshottari Sun-Jupiter-Rahu

> Lagna : Kumbha

> Navamsa of Lagna : Meena

> Dwadasamsa of lagna : Simha / Kanya

> Nakshtra : Kritika

> Kalahora : Mars

> 11:03:48 to 11:04:09 PM

> Vimshottari Sun-Saturn-Saturn

> Lagna : Kumbha

> Navamsa of Lagna : Mesha

> Dwadasamsa of lagna : Thula

> Nakshtra : Kritika

> Kalahora : Sun

>

> ________________________________

> Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99

>

> Sat, October 24, 2009 11:45:32 AM

> Re: What is correct birth time between 10:55:55PM to 10:56:10PM

>

> Dear Shri Dhirender Ji,

> Now it is your daughter's horoscope and the time given by hospital authorities

and as entered in the record.

> From 1995 till date there are lot of events that too place and as parents you

have guided her.Now all her actions and by waya of Karmas have to pave way for

her destiny.

> Incase you have found problems and felt need for correction,there is some

meaning to attempt this exercise.

> Out of 100 cases,if we adopt according to our own knowlege of jyotish and

correct and in all 110 the 5 sec of time matters and needs correction.

> The correction of date of birth is to be attempted made only if it is

exceptional and the evnts that occur have relevance.In case Jyotish Ji feels

gross miscalculations, let him work out and give results.otherwise myself as an

Astrologer in the field:

> 1.I check data first as soon as some details given through Prashna and ensure

data is relevant and correct.

> 2Based on problems and the difficulties we find gochara and link with dasa.

> 3.If Gochara and birth time kalpurusha to in tune with each other,we proceed

further to analyse and help native.

> At no stage ,we as Astrologers need to meddle with data unless the reasons are

obvious.

> Also in future if some thing does not go well we think the data is wrong and

need may arise to further correct birth time.

> Infact based on the time given and the time corrected changes in parana dasa

visleshan have not changed much.Also the transit/gochara too only supported

state of things as per natal cahrt,navamsa and other divisional charts.

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

>

> --- On Fri, 10/23/09, Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@ ymail.com>

wrote:

>

> Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@ ymail.com>

> What is correct birth time between 10:55:55PM to 10:56:10PM

>

> Friday, October 23, 2009, 4:50 PM

>

> Dear Bhagwati Ji ,Tripath Ji & Seniors,Sadar Namasthe, By Nurse I was told

birth time of my daughter as 11:00:00PM on 24.06.1995 at District BASTI(U.P)

Longitude 82E44,Latitude 26N48.But I found that given time was wrong because I

checked and found that sub lord of ascendant does not match with star lord of

Moon and sub-sub lord of ascendant does not match with sub lord of Moon.

> I tried to rectify the birth time and found

that between 10:55:55PM to 10:56:10PM the sub lord of ascendant and star lord of

Moon is Sun and similarly Sub-sub lord of ascendant and Sub lord of Moon is

Saturn.As a rule it is now proved that birth of my daughter has taken place

between 10:55:55PM to 10:56:10PM.But there is still uncertainty of 15 seconds

time and Sub-Sub lord of 2nd, 4th,7th, 8th,10th, 11th and 12th cusp are changed

after 15 seconds and Rasi lords,Nakshatra lords,Sub Lords of each cusp are the

same from 10:55:55PM to 10:56:10PM.Variatio n of 15 seconds also changes the

Sukshma & Pran Dasa periods.

> In this condition how to arrive at correct

birth time and as to what birth time should be taken between 10:55:55PM to

10:56:10PM.Due to change of sub-sub lord of 2nd, 4th,7th, 8th,10th, 11th and

12th cusp I have put this query to be answered by competent astrologers with

reasonings and corresponding rules.If possible please attach complete Horoscope

of corrected birth time.

> With thanks & regards,

> Dhirendra Nath Misra

>

October 24, 2009

Respected Sir,Good Evening,I have replied to Sri Tripathy Ji and Sub sub lord is

Saturn at 10:55:55 PM and also at 10:56:10PM and Saturn is Strong significator

of Ist Cusp between this range of time of 15 Seconds.Hence question is

unanswered yet.Please find time for this query and try your Kunda Kriya applying

Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa so that time may be corrected to solve the problem of sub

sub lord level.I did not get your sent parcel as yet.Please send the same if

there is no problem.

With thanks and regards,

Dhirendra Nath Misra

________________________________

Suresh Babu <sureshbabuag

Sat, October 24, 2009 5:51:38 PM

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