Guest guest Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 Respected Suresh Babu Ji I went through your explanation but still left with certain doubts  " As per BPHS In case Asc is Leo 10th Lord Venus in 2nd House gets deb. The native may get spl rise on Fin/Pol level but does not remain in high post for long....... " . Even when Venus is singly placed in 2nd House ( Leo Asc) the above results are seen as per BPHS. In this chart Venus is with Retro Mercury in 2nd House. Mercury is in own / MT sign . Asper basic rule the lord of the bhava if occupies or aspects its bhava protect/flourishes that bhava. So I feel eventhough Mercury is retro it has to give +ve attitude in life and good effects.  (70 to 80 %)   in its MD /AD.( I donot deny little upsdown may be there ) Secondly I want to know in this chart even LL & 5th Lord is deb.  How do you actually judge this chart . Waiting for your reply Regards Shailaja  --- On Fri, 13/11/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote: Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag Re: Att.Shailaja Mandre Ji Friday, 13 November, 2009, 7:43 AM   // I had seen that the dispositer of Venus is in Kendra from Moon and dispositer of Venus is in its own Rasi but I also new it that Retrograde Mercury in its exalted Rasi will yield result like a debiliated MercuryIs it Correct?// Yes & No. The effect may be correct but the logic is not. Dispositor of the debilated planet being the kendra of Moon surely cancells the neechtwa - However, Here the Mercury is the dispositor of Venus. As per classics, The Raja yoga comes into effect during the dasa / anthar dasa of the plant that causes the bhaga (here Mercury). So unless mercury is strong enough, the raja is not going to be effective. The Neecha Banga Raja yoga confers the effects of " Slumdog Millionaire " . But if the planet is not strong enough, the slumdog may get a little fatter or reach rich mans house. consider the paksha bala of moon also. Here the first rule to be applyed is Exlated mercury is with debilated Venus. So mercury & Venus cancels each other. So where mercury gets strength to confer the full effect of neecha banga raja yoga? it retrogration creates other issues and is secondary. Being in the kendra of Moon (mana karaka) it can cause many atittude problems, illusions about various facets about life or situations. Their way of thinking, logic and outlook need not be in tune with what other might be thinking or doing in the similar situations and general perspection, and this cause real problems in life.  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.    A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@ ymail.com> Fri, November 13, 2009 12:32:10 AM Re: Att.Shailaja Mandre Ji  Nice Observation by Sri Suresh Sir.I had observed the rule for Venus// I had seen that the dispositer of Venus is in Kendra from Moon and dispositer of Venus is in its own Rasi but I also new it that Retrograde Mercury in its exalted Rasi will yield result like a debiliated Mercury! Is it Correct? Hence debiliation is not cancelled  // I missed while observing Jupiter. Dhirendra Nath Misra  ____________ _________ _________ __ Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > Thu, November 12, 2009 10:59:45 PM Re: Att.Shailaja Mandre Ji  Though I don't want to interfere in your discussion, Just pointing a fundamental mistake. Jupiter's debilation does not get cancelled by having Saturn(its dispositor) in own house as stated under. //Lord of 5th is debiliated Jupiter though there is cancellation of debiliation of Jupiter also as dispositer of Jupiter is posited in its own Rasi.//  for neecha bangha raja yoga the rules are if a planet is debilated 1) its dispositor should be in the Kendra of Lagna or Chandra Lagna 2) Lord of its Exaltation sign should be in the kendra of Lagna or Chandra Lagna. These are the two ONLY conditions that are effective, All others do not provide the desired results. Neecha Banga Raja is much more powerfull than Raja yogas. In this case, either, Saturn should be in the kendra of Lagna or Moon OR moon should be in the kendra of Lagna. This does not happen here, hence no such raja yogas. The effect of Neecha Banga Raja shall be very prominent if effective. This is not my invention but based on pure classics. So take it or leave it.    A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @ ymail.com> Thu, November 12, 2009 8:11:08 PM Att.Shailaja Mandre Ji  Dear Shailaja Mandre Ji,Thanks for nice comment.I had seen that the dispositer of Venus is in Kendra from Moon and dispositer of Venus is in its own Rasi but I also new it that Retrograde Mercury in its exalted Rasi will yield result like a debiliated Mercury! Is it Correct? Hence debiliation is not cancelled in real sense and you see Venus is 10th lord which stands for his father and Venus is yielding its adverse result for Kamesh as parents of Kamesh have not cordial relation with him.Had the debiliation been cancelled in real sense his parents would have made cordial relation with Kamesh and Kamesh would have got his share money but he did not get it till date.No doubt shad Bal of Venus is high but what will you do for retrograde Mercury?Retrograde Mercury is posited in Kutumb Sthan+Dhan sthan and judge the role of lord of second house+ role of debiliated Venus from the lines written by Kamesh.            For speculation I have replied as per K.P System .Even then for your satisfaction I am telling you the role of lord of 2,5,and 11th house.Lord of 2nd and 11th is retrograde and posited in its exalted sign.It means it will yield result like a debiliated planet.Lord of 5th is debiliated Jupiter though there is cancellation of debiliation of Jupiter also as dispositer of Jupiter is posited in its own Rasi.Even then speculation seems unsafe for Kamesh .  Dhirendra Nath Misra  ____________ _________ _________ __ Shailaja Mandre <shailajamandre@ .co. in> Thu, November 12, 2009 11:48:35 AM Re: Help needed ????  Dear Dhirendra Nath Misraji I went through your delineation wherein you have mentioned that Venus is debilitated in his chart.  As per my observation Venus though debilitated it is conjunct with Mercury which gets exalted in Virgo even it is kendra from Moon therefore debilitation of Venus is canceled  Second house is aspected by Jupiter 9th aspect Jupiter placement in 6th House is bad but aspect is always good Jupiter is with Saturn 6th and 8th Lord in 6th House Viparit Rajyoga For speculation 2nd Lord 5th Lord & 11th Lord should be involved. In this chart 2nd and 11th Lord is Mercury 5th lord is Jupiter and Venus is with Mercury and aspected by Jupiter. Venus is also strong in SAV and Shadbala So I feel Venus is strong Only running dasha is of Ketu which is bad, but Ketu dasha though takes everything in the begining of the dasha STARTS giving in the end of the dasha. I am new in Astrology if I am wrong please rectify my mistake so that I can improve Please advise Regards     Shailaja --- On Wed, 11/11/09, Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @ ymail.com> wrote: Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @ ymail.com> Re: Help needed ???? Wednesday, 11 November, 2009, 6:42 PM  Dear Kamesh,First of all I want to tell you that your birth has taken place between 02:00:15AM to 02:00:40AM.At this time Ascendant Sub lord is Jupiter and Star lord of Moon is also Jupiter;Sub Sub lord of Ascendant is Ketu and Sub lord of Moon is also Ketu.Thus your noted birth time is 40 seconds behind.I use Krishnamurty Ayanamsa.Every astrologer must rectify birth time before he makes any prediction in accordance with his system.Now come to your questions. [1]share marketing/ stock broker business-As per your chart sub lord of 10th cusp is Venus.It is debiliated and posited in 2nd house.It is significator of 2,3,10,11,12th cusp but not of 5th and 7th cusp.It means all the conditions are not fulfilled.Hence this business is not 100% suitable for you.Don't invest huge amount. [2] you may have your own house between 30.06.2012 to 21.08.2012. [3] I am of the view that you will not get property easily from your parents as 10th lord is debiliated Venus rather your parents will destroy your property. With good wishes, Dhirendra Nath Misra  ____________ _________ _________ __ kameshkrm <kameshkrm (AT) (DOT) in> Wed, November 11, 2009 9:30:13 PM Help needed ????  Dear Sir, Please help? I am new to this group. I have taken VRS in 2003 right now I am not doing anything. Will I be able to do any business ( which one is favorable). I am thinking of becoming a Stock broker will it be successful. My parents have sold 80% of the property and they are not in good terms with me so I want to know 1) Can I buy a House in my life if yes when? 2) Can I get property/Money from parents? My details DOB 30-10-1961, TOB 2 am , POB Dharwar Long 75E 01 Lat 15N 28 I request you to kindly help me and relieve me of the mental agony which I am under going past 4 to 5 years. Kindly advice Regards Kamesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 Dear Friends, it is best to assess in such situation from navamsa as well as all three lagna(sudarshana chakra) as we get a balanced perspective. Basically yogakaraks jupiter,Mars and sun.of them sun.s debiltation in libra(3rd),jupiter in 6th(capricorn) and presence of mars in enemy sign are not well placed. Basically venus is considered to have an inimical relation with lagna lord that is sun,lord of 3rd(mool trikona sign) and 10th.It's palcement in neecha in 2nd a maraka further contribute'e to problems. Secondly as lord of 2nd mercury also owns 11th house,where moon is posited.From moon sign both these planets are in Kendra.At the best,the kenradhipati dosha of venus might get nullified but debilitaion does not go away.Also exalted planet mercury being retrograde,presence of venus in neecha does not get cancelled as the nakshtra lord being moon,an enemy.Also in navamsa in 2nd as bahva vargottama is also aspected by saturn and sun.Financially too not a good indication.Mercury in 4th in navamsa too though rasi vargottama and in uccha might not have given a good result during dasa for his employment and  in his formal education. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services)  --- On Sat, 11/14/09, Shailaja Mandre <shailajamandre wrote: Shailaja Mandre <shailajamandre Re: Att.Suresh Babu Ji Saturday, November 14, 2009, 8:06 AM  Respected Suresh Babu Ji I went through your explanation but still left with certain doubts  " As per BPHS In case Asc is Leo 10th Lord Venus in 2nd House gets deb. The native may get spl rise on Fin/Pol level but does not remain in high post for long....... " . Even when Venus is singly placed in 2nd House ( Leo Asc) the above results are seen as per BPHS. In this chart Venus is with Retro Mercury in 2nd House. Mercury is in own / MT sign . Asper basic rule the lord of the bhava if occupies or aspects its bhava protect/flourishes that bhava. So I feel eventhough Mercury is retro it has to give +ve attitude in life and good effects.  (70 to 80 %)   in its MD /AD.( I donot deny little upsdown may be there ) Secondly I want to know in this chart even LL & 5th Lord is deb.  How do you actually judge this chart . Waiting for your reply Regards Shailaja  --- On Fri, 13/11/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > Re: Att.Shailaja Mandre Ji Friday, 13 November, 2009, 7:43 AM   // I had seen that the dispositer of Venus is in Kendra from Moon and dispositer of Venus is in its own Rasi but I also new it that Retrograde Mercury in its exalted Rasi will yield result like a debiliated MercuryIs it Correct?// Yes & No. The effect may be correct but the logic is not. Dispositor of the debilated planet being the kendra of Moon surely cancells the neechtwa - However, Here the Mercury is the dispositor of Venus. As per classics, The Raja yoga comes into effect during the dasa / anthar dasa of the plant that causes the bhaga (here Mercury). So unless mercury is strong enough, the raja is not going to be effective. The Neecha Banga Raja yoga confers the effects of " Slumdog Millionaire " . But if the planet is not strong enough, the slumdog may get a little fatter or reach rich mans house. consider the paksha bala of moon also. Here the first rule to be applyed is Exlated mercury is with debilated Venus. So mercury & Venus cancels each other. So where mercury gets strength to confer the full effect of neecha banga raja yoga? it retrogration creates other issues and is secondary. Being in the kendra of Moon (mana karaka) it can cause many atittude problems, illusions about various facets about life or situations. Their way of thinking, logic and outlook need not be in tune with what other might be thinking or doing in the similar situations and general perspection, and this cause real problems in life.  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.    A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @ ymail.com> Fri, November 13, 2009 12:32:10 AM Re: Att.Shailaja Mandre Ji  Nice Observation by Sri Suresh Sir.I had observed the rule for Venus// I had seen that the dispositer of Venus is in Kendra from Moon and dispositer of Venus is in its own Rasi but I also new it that Retrograde Mercury in its exalted Rasi will yield result like a debiliated Mercury! Is it Correct? Hence debiliation is not cancelled  // I missed while observing Jupiter. Dhirendra Nath Misra  ____________ _________ _________ __ Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > Thu, November 12, 2009 10:59:45 PM Re: Att.Shailaja Mandre Ji  Though I don't want to interfere in your discussion, Just pointing a fundamental mistake. Jupiter's debilation does not get cancelled by having Saturn(its dispositor) in own house as stated under. //Lord of 5th is debiliated Jupiter though there is cancellation of debiliation of Jupiter also as dispositer of Jupiter is posited in its own Rasi.//  for neecha bangha raja yoga the rules are if a planet is debilated 1) its dispositor should be in the Kendra of Lagna or Chandra Lagna 2) Lord of its Exaltation sign should be in the kendra of Lagna or Chandra Lagna. These are the two ONLY conditions that are effective, All others do not provide the desired results. Neecha Banga Raja is much more powerfull than Raja yogas. In this case, either, Saturn should be in the kendra of Lagna or Moon OR moon should be in the kendra of Lagna. This does not happen here, hence no such raja yogas. The effect of Neecha Banga Raja shall be very prominent if effective. This is not my invention but based on pure classics. So take it or leave it.    A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @ ymail.com> Thu, November 12, 2009 8:11:08 PM Att.Shailaja Mandre Ji  Dear Shailaja Mandre Ji,Thanks for nice comment.I had seen that the dispositer of Venus is in Kendra from Moon and dispositer of Venus is in its own Rasi but I also new it that Retrograde Mercury in its exalted Rasi will yield result like a debiliated Mercury! Is it Correct? Hence debiliation is not cancelled in real sense and you see Venus is 10th lord which stands for his father and Venus is yielding its adverse result for Kamesh as parents of Kamesh have not cordial relation with him.Had the debiliation been cancelled in real sense his parents would have made cordial relation with Kamesh and Kamesh would have got his share money but he did not get it till date.No doubt shad Bal of Venus is high but what will you do for retrograde Mercury?Retrograde Mercury is posited in Kutumb Sthan+Dhan sthan and judge the role of lord of second house+ role of debiliated Venus from the lines written by Kamesh.            For speculation I have replied as per K.P System .Even then for your satisfaction I am telling you the role of lord of 2,5,and 11th house.Lord of 2nd and 11th is retrograde and posited in its exalted sign.It means it will yield result like a debiliated planet.Lord of 5th is debiliated Jupiter though there is cancellation of debiliation of Jupiter also as dispositer of Jupiter is posited in its own Rasi.Even then speculation seems unsafe for Kamesh .  Dhirendra Nath Misra  ____________ _________ _________ __ Shailaja Mandre <shailajamandre@ .co. in> Thu, November 12, 2009 11:48:35 AM Re: Help needed ????  Dear Dhirendra Nath Misraji I went through your delineation wherein you have mentioned that Venus is debilitated in his chart.  As per my observation Venus though debilitated it is conjunct with Mercury which gets exalted in Virgo even it is kendra from Moon therefore debilitation of Venus is canceled  Second house is aspected by Jupiter 9th aspect Jupiter placement in 6th House is bad but aspect is always good Jupiter is with Saturn 6th and 8th Lord in 6th House Viparit Rajyoga For speculation 2nd Lord 5th Lord & 11th Lord should be involved. In this chart 2nd and 11th Lord is Mercury 5th lord is Jupiter and Venus is with Mercury and aspected by Jupiter. Venus is also strong in SAV and Shadbala So I feel Venus is strong Only running dasha is of Ketu which is bad, but Ketu dasha though takes everything in the begining of the dasha STARTS giving in the end of the dasha. I am new in Astrology if I am wrong please rectify my mistake so that I can improve Please advise Regards     Shailaja --- On Wed, 11/11/09, Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @ ymail.com> wrote: Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @ ymail.com> Re: Help needed ???? Wednesday, 11 November, 2009, 6:42 PM  Dear Kamesh,First of all I want to tell you that your birth has taken place between 02:00:15AM to 02:00:40AM.At this time Ascendant Sub lord is Jupiter and Star lord of Moon is also Jupiter;Sub Sub lord of Ascendant is Ketu and Sub lord of Moon is also Ketu.Thus your noted birth time is 40 seconds behind.I use Krishnamurty Ayanamsa.Every astrologer must rectify birth time before he makes any prediction in accordance with his system.Now come to your questions. [1]share marketing/ stock broker business-As per your chart sub lord of 10th cusp is Venus.It is debiliated and posited in 2nd house.It is significator of 2,3,10,11,12th cusp but not of 5th and 7th cusp.It means all the conditions are not fulfilled.Hence this business is not 100% suitable for you.Don't invest huge amount. [2] you may have your own house between 30.06.2012 to 21.08.2012. [3] I am of the view that you will not get property easily from your parents as 10th lord is debiliated Venus rather your parents will destroy your property. With good wishes, Dhirendra Nath Misra  ____________ _________ _________ __ kameshkrm <kameshkrm (AT) (DOT) in> Wed, November 11, 2009 9:30:13 PM Help needed ????  Dear Sir, Please help? I am new to this group. I have taken VRS in 2003 right now I am not doing anything. Will I be able to do any business ( which one is favorable). I am thinking of becoming a Stock broker will it be successful. My parents have sold 80% of the property and they are not in good terms with me so I want to know 1) Can I buy a House in my life if yes when? 2) Can I get property/Money from parents? My details DOB 30-10-1961, TOB 2 am , POB Dharwar Long 75E 01 Lat 15N 28 I request you to kindly help me and relieve me of the mental agony which I am under going past 4 to 5 years. Kindly advice Regards Kamesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 Dear Shailaja, The cumulative effect of planets does not confine to single theory or rule. But we have to set the base and build or add effects / attributes / properties etc based on its association / varga / avastha / motions etc. Further the dasa(s) & transit help to understand when these effects shall fructify or how far. Shree Krishna Ji has written very valid points, particularly that the Kendradipathy Dosha of Venus getting diminished due to debilation of Venus. absolutely correct. So also the its navamsa being the 4th is not very good. Any planet having 4th / 8th navamsa (chaushtaya) is not considered good. I had posted the message only because of the wrong principle stated for the cancellation of Neecha Banga Raja yoga.  Now your contention about Mercury should be good Have you forgotten that Mercury dasa is over in 2006 and had it been so good as you thought it should, he would not have posted such a question on this forum. //So I feel eventhough Mercury is retro it has to give +ve attitude in life and good effects.  (70 to 80 %)   in its MD /AD.// By this time he would have reasonaly rich enough to buy his own house etc. why didn't happen ? It shows your contention is wrong. Now re-align your above statement. " so i feel mercury has to give +ve atittude in life and good effects (70 to 80%) in its MD/AD? but for mercury being retro " Why - Retro motion is reversal of trend or change from existing situation etc - reversal from normal forward motion. But it is also illussion, since we know planets in reality do not go backwards.    When we consider other effects regarding finance etc, you did not take into consideration that Mercury is also gulika rashyadhipathy and that Gulika is placed in the 11th along with moon - in the house of gains (labha). so dhana & labha are corrupted by Gulika. Definitely - being lord of dhana bhava in own house provided him enough finance through venus (karma) for his livlihood and being retrograde he opted for VRS during Mercury-jupiter / Saturn in 2003 - reversal from his normal working condition which he HIMSELF took being chandra lagna lord also. The present dasa of Ketu has advanced to its last quarter with Ketu-Jupiter till May-2011 Ketu-Saturn till Jul-2012 Ketu-Mercury till Jul-2013 Jupiter is debilated and with 6th lord who is also Ketu rashyadhipathy in the 6th house. Saturn already explained. Mercury alread explained. Now consider the Kalachakra dasa during this period. Dasa Group : Savya - Aswini (85)   Kalachakra : MAKARA, KUMBHA, MINA, VRISCHIKA, TULA, KANYA, KARKATA, SIMHA, MITHUNA The preset dasa is KARKATA- MEENA  25-Jun-10 KARKATA- VRISCHIKA  18-Mar-12 KARKATA - TULA  1-Mar-16 KARKATA - KANYA  21-May-18 Here meena does not planets, But has navamsa of Gulika. Vrischika does not have malefic planets Tula has Sun + Mars = two agneya planets Kanya - has venus + Mercury BHADRIKA-MERCURY = DHANYA-JUPITER  4-Dec-09 BHADRIKA-MERCURY = BHRAMARI-MARS  24-Jun-10 ULKA-SATURN = ULKA-SATURN  24-Jun-11 ULKA-SATURN = SIDDHA-VENUS  24-Aug-12 ULKA-SATURN = SANKATA-RAHU  24-Dec-13 ULKA-SATURN = MANGALA-MOON  24-Feb-14 ULKA-SATURN = PINGALA-SUN  24-Jun-14 ULKA-SATURN = DHANYA-JUPITER  24-Dec-14 ULKA-SATURN = BHRAMARI-MARS  24-Aug-15 ULKA-SATURN = BHADRIKA-MERCURY  24-Jun-16 Now consider the period of Mercury in vimsottari & other dasa Ketu Mercury - May-2012 to Jul-2013 Karkata - Thula - Mar-2012 to Mar-2016 Saturn- Venus / Rahu Jun-2011 to dec-2013 One of the main point that rises out of these is the matter of health and changes. You can see that the benefic effects of Mercury is off set by indications other dasa. Now consider the Transit of Jupiter throught these years. In dec jupiter shall re-enter Aquarius where Ketu is positioned. There is navams of Jupiter also. So this transit may confer mixed results of Ketu & jupiter. Ketu on hand can cause health issues while jupiter shall compensate with remedies. Being in Kumbha-hridroga, I would like to warn the native regarding problems related to heart and some issues related with his family. leagal issues may also crop up. However it is best to use " Sama " method of jupiter and deal with any such situations. This is also a good time to try and patch with his parents in a a very diplomatic manner & humility attributed to Jupiter. Its next transit through pisces aspected by Venus / mercury / saturn & navamsa of Gulika - can help him gain a small & old house, if real efforts are made. Nothing spectacular. But again it is better to be aware of the malefic influences of Saturn, retro mercury & gulika. Next transit to Aries - Sudha rasi - but aspected by Sun+mars to functional malefics & yoga karaka as well. and navamsa of Rahu. The transit may give him some good effects regarding house finance etc but should be wary about health & being cheated / losses also. During these periods it is likely that he may change his residence as well. About stock broking : Venus + Mercury together in the second seems to good combination for it. But considering the transit & dasa, one cannot expect too much profits from the same : at the most he can be make some profits enough to cater to his needs. But should be very carefull also. Over ambition and careless investments shall only lead to losses. The above is only a cursary assesment of the dasa / transit, just to give you an idea on how various other factors should also be taken into account. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ________________________________ Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 Sun, November 15, 2009 12:06:36 PM Re: Att.Suresh Babu Ji  Dear Friends, it is best to assess in such situation from navamsa as well as all three lagna(sudarshana chakra) as we get a balanced perspective. Basically yogakaraks jupiter,Mars and sun.of them sun.s debiltation in libra(3rd),jupiter in 6th(capricorn) and presence of mars in enemy sign are not well placed. Basically venus is considered to have an inimical relation with lagna lord that is sun,lord of 3rd(mool trikona sign) and 10th.It's palcement in neecha in 2nd a maraka further contribute'e to problems. Secondly as lord of 2nd mercury also owns 11th house,where moon is posited.From moon sign both these planets are in Kendra.At the best,the kenradhipati dosha of venus might get nullified but debilitaion does not go away.Also exalted planet mercury being retrograde,presence of venus in neecha does not get cancelled as the nakshtra lord being moon,an enemy.Also in navamsa in 2nd as bahva vargottama is also aspected by saturn and sun.Financially too not a good indication.Mercury in 4th in navamsa too though rasi vargottama and in uccha might not have given a good result during dasa for his employment and  in his formal education. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services)  --- On Sat, 11/14/09, Shailaja Mandre <shailajamandre@ .co. in> wrote: Shailaja Mandre <shailajamandre@ .co. in> Re: Att.Suresh Babu Ji Saturday, November 14, 2009, 8:06 AM  Respected Suresh Babu Ji I went through your explanation but still left with certain doubts  " As per BPHS In case Asc is Leo 10th Lord Venus in 2nd House gets deb. The native may get spl rise on Fin/Pol level but does not remain in high post for long....... " . Even when Venus is singly placed in 2nd House ( Leo Asc) the above results are seen as per BPHS. In this chart Venus is with Retro Mercury in 2nd House. Mercury is in own / MT sign . Asper basic rule the lord of the bhava if occupies or aspects its bhava protect/flourishes that bhava. So I feel eventhough Mercury is retro it has to give +ve attitude in life and good effects.  (70 to 80 %)   in its MD /AD.( I donot deny little upsdown may be there ) Secondly I want to know in this chart even LL & 5th Lord is deb.  How do you actually judge this chart . Waiting for your reply Regards Shailaja  --- On Fri, 13/11/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > Re: Att.Shailaja Mandre Ji Friday, 13 November, 2009, 7:43 AM   // I had seen that the dispositer of Venus is in Kendra from Moon and dispositer of Venus is in its own Rasi but I also new it that Retrograde Mercury in its exalted Rasi will yield result like a debiliated MercuryIs it Correct?// Yes & No. The effect may be correct but the logic is not. Dispositor of the debilated planet being the kendra of Moon surely cancells the neechtwa - However, Here the Mercury is the dispositor of Venus. As per classics, The Raja yoga comes into effect during the dasa / anthar dasa of the plant that causes the bhaga (here Mercury). So unless mercury is strong enough, the raja is not going to be effective. The Neecha Banga Raja yoga confers the effects of " Slumdog Millionaire " . But if the planet is not strong enough, the slumdog may get a little fatter or reach rich mans house. consider the paksha bala of moon also. Here the first rule to be applyed is Exlated mercury is with debilated Venus. So mercury & Venus cancels each other. So where mercury gets strength to confer the full effect of neecha banga raja yoga? it retrogration creates other issues and is secondary. Being in the kendra of Moon (mana karaka) it can cause many atittude problems, illusions about various facets about life or situations. Their way of thinking, logic and outlook need not be in tune with what other might be thinking or doing in the similar situations and general perspection, and this cause real problems in life.  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.    A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @ ymail.com> Fri, November 13, 2009 12:32:10 AM Re: Att.Shailaja Mandre Ji  Nice Observation by Sri Suresh Sir.I had observed the rule for Venus// I had seen that the dispositer of Venus is in Kendra from Moon and dispositer of Venus is in its own Rasi but I also new it that Retrograde Mercury in its exalted Rasi will yield result like a debiliated Mercury! Is it Correct? Hence debiliation is not cancelled  // I missed while observing Jupiter. Dhirendra Nath Misra  ____________ _________ _________ __ Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > Thu, November 12, 2009 10:59:45 PM Re: Att.Shailaja Mandre Ji  Though I don't want to interfere in your discussion, Just pointing a fundamental mistake. Jupiter's debilation does not get cancelled by having Saturn(its dispositor) in own house as stated under. //Lord of 5th is debiliated Jupiter though there is cancellation of debiliation of Jupiter also as dispositer of Jupiter is posited in its own Rasi.//  for neecha bangha raja yoga the rules are if a planet is debilated 1) its dispositor should be in the Kendra of Lagna or Chandra Lagna 2) Lord of its Exaltation sign should be in the kendra of Lagna or Chandra Lagna. These are the two ONLY conditions that are effective, All others do not provide the desired results. Neecha Banga Raja is much more powerfull than Raja yogas. In this case, either, Saturn should be in the kendra of Lagna or Moon OR moon should be in the kendra of Lagna. This does not happen here, hence no such raja yogas. The effect of Neecha Banga Raja shall be very prominent if effective. This is not my invention but based on pure classics. So take it or leave it.    A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @ ymail.com> Thu, November 12, 2009 8:11:08 PM Att.Shailaja Mandre Ji  Dear Shailaja Mandre Ji,Thanks for nice comment.I had seen that the dispositer of Venus is in Kendra from Moon and dispositer of Venus is in its own Rasi but I also new it that Retrograde Mercury in its exalted Rasi will yield result like a debiliated Mercury! Is it Correct? Hence debiliation is not cancelled in real sense and you see Venus is 10th lord which stands for his father and Venus is yielding its adverse result for Kamesh as parents of Kamesh have not cordial relation with him.Had the debiliation been cancelled in real sense his parents would have made cordial relation with Kamesh and Kamesh would have got his share money but he did not get it till date.No doubt shad Bal of Venus is high but what will you do for retrograde Mercury?Retrograde Mercury is posited in Kutumb Sthan+Dhan sthan and judge the role of lord of second house+ role of debiliated Venus from the lines written by Kamesh.            For speculation I have replied as per K.P System .Even then for your satisfaction I am telling you the role of lord of 2,5,and 11th house.Lord of 2nd and 11th is retrograde and posited in its exalted sign.It means it will yield result like a debiliated planet.Lord of 5th is debiliated Jupiter though there is cancellation of debiliation of Jupiter also as dispositer of Jupiter is posited in its own Rasi.Even then speculation seems unsafe for Kamesh .  Dhirendra Nath Misra  ____________ _________ _________ __ Shailaja Mandre <shailajamandre@ .co. in> Thu, November 12, 2009 11:48:35 AM Re: Help needed ????  Dear Dhirendra Nath Misraji I went through your delineation wherein you have mentioned that Venus is debilitated in his chart.  As per my observation Venus though debilitated it is conjunct with Mercury which gets exalted in Virgo even it is kendra from Moon therefore debilitation of Venus is canceled  Second house is aspected by Jupiter 9th aspect Jupiter placement in 6th House is bad but aspect is always good Jupiter is with Saturn 6th and 8th Lord in 6th House Viparit Rajyoga For speculation 2nd Lord 5th Lord & 11th Lord should be involved. In this chart 2nd and 11th Lord is Mercury 5th lord is Jupiter and Venus is with Mercury and aspected by Jupiter. Venus is also strong in SAV and Shadbala So I feel Venus is strong Only running dasha is of Ketu which is bad, but Ketu dasha though takes everything in the begining of the dasha STARTS giving in the end of the dasha. I am new in Astrology if I am wrong please rectify my mistake so that I can improve Please advise Regards     Shailaja --- On Wed, 11/11/09, Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @ ymail.com> wrote: Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @ ymail.com> Re: Help needed ???? Wednesday, 11 November, 2009, 6:42 PM  Dear Kamesh,First of all I want to tell you that your birth has taken place between 02:00:15AM to 02:00:40AM.At this time Ascendant Sub lord is Jupiter and Star lord of Moon is also Jupiter;Sub Sub lord of Ascendant is Ketu and Sub lord of Moon is also Ketu.Thus your noted birth time is 40 seconds behind.I use Krishnamurty Ayanamsa.Every astrologer must rectify birth time before he makes any prediction in accordance with his system.Now come to your questions. [1]share marketing/ stock broker business-As per your chart sub lord of 10th cusp is Venus.It is debiliated and posited in 2nd house.It is significator of 2,3,10,11,12th cusp but not of 5th and 7th cusp.It means all the conditions are not fulfilled.Hence this business is not 100% suitable for you.Don't invest huge amount. [2] you may have your own house between 30.06.2012 to 21.08.2012. [3] I am of the view that you will not get property easily from your parents as 10th lord is debiliated Venus rather your parents will destroy your property. With good wishes, Dhirendra Nath Misra  ____________ _________ _________ __ kameshkrm <kameshkrm (AT) (DOT) in> Wed, November 11, 2009 9:30:13 PM Help needed ????  Dear Sir, Please help? I am new to this group. I have taken VRS in 2003 right now I am not doing anything. Will I be able to do any business ( which one is favorable). I am thinking of becoming a Stock broker will it be successful. My parents have sold 80% of the property and they are not in good terms with me so I want to know 1) Can I buy a House in my life if yes when? 2) Can I get property/Money from parents? My details DOB 30-10-1961, TOB 2 am , POB Dharwar Long 75E 01 Lat 15N 28 I request you to kindly help me and relieve me of the mental agony which I am under going past 4 to 5 years. 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Guest guest Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 So as a general directive, Krishnan_jee, should the four accomplices: Lagna, Chandra, Surya and the " Shy Indian Bride " as your Illustrious Teacher Shri KNR calls navamsha as -- are all four equal partners or are there some ways to 'weigh' the examination? Just in case there is a four way tie or worse: CONFUSION! This is what most jyotishis encounter. Obviously the LCSN charts (may we name this approach suggested by you as 'Enhanced Sudarshan' since now the navamsha is included in the mix?) can create criss-cross confusion at more times than even experienced jyotishis would wish to run into. Rohiniranjan , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dear Friends, > it is best to assess in such situation from navamsa as well as all three lagna(sudarshana chakra) as we get a balanced perspective. > Basically yogakaraks jupiter,Mars and sun.of them sun.s debiltation in libra(3rd),jupiter in 6th(capricorn) and presence of mars in enemy sign are not well placed. > Basically venus is considered to have an inimical relation with lagna lord that is sun,lord of 3rd(mool trikona sign) and 10th.It's palcement in neecha in 2nd a maraka further contribute'e to problems. > Secondly as lord of 2nd mercury also owns 11th house,where moon is posited.From moon sign both these planets are in Kendra.At the best,the kenradhipati dosha of venus might get nullified but debilitaion does not go away.Also exalted planet mercury being retrograde,presence of venus in neecha does not get cancelled as the nakshtra lord being moon,an enemy.Also in navamsa in 2nd as bahva vargottama is also aspected by saturn and sun.Financially too not a good indication.Mercury in 4th in navamsa too though rasi vargottama and in uccha might not have given a good result during dasa for his employment and  in his formal education. > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) >  > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 Sir, Once again that 'sharpness " in writng skills is to be lauded as has always been the trait.It helps in removal of confusion as far as Nechabahng Raja Yoga(NBRY)Enhanced Sudarasha by way of LCSN,is difficult in JR (for avatar purush) to carry.As always ,in troubled waters(not like Haryana based Kurukshetra),experienced jyotishis have to wade,as the seamless subject of Jyotish Vidya more often leads to confusion as unlimited confabulations lead no where. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services)  --- On Sun, 11/15/09, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Re: Att.Suresh Babu Ji Sunday, November 15, 2009, 4:45 AM  So as a general directive, Krishnan_jee, should the four accomplices: Lagna, Chandra, Surya and the " Shy Indian Bride " as your Illustrious Teacher Shri KNR calls navamsha as -- are all four equal partners or are there some ways to 'weigh' the examination? Just in case there is a four way tie or worse: CONFUSION! This is what most jyotishis encounter. Obviously the LCSN charts (may we name this approach suggested by you as 'Enhanced Sudarshan' since now the navamsha is included in the mix?) can create criss-cross confusion at more times than even experienced jyotishis would wish to run into. Rohiniranjan , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Friends, > it is best to assess in such situation from navamsa as well as all three lagna(sudarshana chakra) as we get a balanced perspective. > Basically yogakaraks jupiter,Mars and sun.of them sun.s debiltation in libra(3rd),jupiter in 6th(capricorn) and presence of mars in enemy sign are not well placed. > Basically venus is considered to have an inimical relation with lagna lord that is sun,lord of 3rd(mool trikona sign) and 10th.It's palcement in neecha in 2nd a maraka further contribute'e to problems. > Secondly as lord of 2nd mercury also owns 11th house,where moon is posited.From moon sign both these planets are in Kendra.At the best,the kenradhipati dosha of venus might get nullified but debilitaion does not go away.Also exalted planet mercury being retrograde,presence of venus in neecha does not get cancelled as the nakshtra lord being moon,an enemy.Also in navamsa in 2nd as bahva vargottama is also aspected by saturn and sun.Financially too not a good indication.Mercury in 4th in navamsa too though rasi vargottama and in uccha might not have given a good result during dasa for his employment and  in his formal education. > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) >  > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 Respected Suresh Babu Ji,    You have given an elaborate explanation on the subject I am glad to have learnt  the different angles to be seen while prediction and I know still I have to gain a lot of knowledge from learned people like you. Whatever I thought /guessed I put down & you have guided me in right direction. I thank you for your sincere effort to clear my doubts. Once again thanks Regards Shailaja --- On Sun, 15/11/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote: Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag Re: Att.Suresh Babu Ji Sunday, 15 November, 2009, 8:34 AM  Dear Shailaja, The cumulative effect of planets does not confine to single theory or rule. But we have to set the base and build or add effects / attributes / properties etc based on its association / varga / avastha / motions etc. Further the dasa(s) & transit help to understand when these effects shall fructify or how far. Shree Krishna Ji has written very valid points, particularly that the Kendradipathy Dosha of Venus getting diminished due to debilation of Venus. absolutely correct. So also the its navamsa being the 4th is not very good. Any planet having 4th / 8th navamsa (chaushtaya) is not considered good. I had posted the message only because of the wrong principle stated for the cancellation of Neecha Banga Raja yoga.  Now your contention about Mercury should be good Have you forgotten that Mercury dasa is over in 2006 and had it been so good as you thought it should, he would not have posted such a question on this forum. //So I feel eventhough Mercury is retro it has to give +ve attitude in life and good effects.  (70 to 80 %)   in its MD /AD.// By this time he would have reasonaly rich enough to buy his own house etc. why didn't happen ? It shows your contention is wrong. Now re-align your above statement. " so i feel mercury has to give +ve atittude in life and good effects (70 to 80%) in its MD/AD? but for mercury being retro " Why - Retro motion is reversal of trend or change from existing situation etc - reversal from normal forward motion. But it is also illussion, since we know planets in reality do not go backwards.    When we consider other effects regarding finance etc, you did not take into consideration that Mercury is also gulika rashyadhipathy and that Gulika is placed in the 11th along with moon - in the house of gains (labha). so dhana & labha are corrupted by Gulika. Definitely - being lord of dhana bhava in own house provided him enough finance through venus (karma) for his livlihood and being retrograde he opted for VRS during Mercury-jupiter / Saturn in 2003 - reversal from his normal working condition which he HIMSELF took being chandra lagna lord also. The present dasa of Ketu has advanced to its last quarter with Ketu-Jupiter till May-2011 Ketu-Saturn till Jul-2012 Ketu-Mercury till Jul-2013 Jupiter is debilated and with 6th lord who is also Ketu rashyadhipathy in the 6th house. Saturn already explained. Mercury alread explained. Now consider the Kalachakra dasa during this period. Dasa Group : Savya - Aswini (85)   Kalachakra : MAKARA, KUMBHA, MINA, VRISCHIKA, TULA, KANYA, KARKATA, SIMHA, MITHUNA The preset dasa is KARKATA- MEENA  25-Jun-10 KARKATA- VRISCHIKA  18-Mar-12 KARKATA - TULA  1-Mar-16 KARKATA - KANYA  21-May-18 Here meena does not planets, But has navamsa of Gulika. Vrischika does not have malefic planets Tula has Sun + Mars = two agneya planets Kanya - has venus + Mercury BHADRIKA-MERCURY = DHANYA-JUPITER  4-Dec-09 BHADRIKA-MERCURY = BHRAMARI-MARS  24-Jun-10 ULKA-SATURN = ULKA-SATURN  24-Jun-11 ULKA-SATURN = SIDDHA-VENUS  24-Aug-12 ULKA-SATURN = SANKATA-RAHU  24-Dec-13 ULKA-SATURN = MANGALA-MOON  24-Feb-14 ULKA-SATURN = PINGALA-SUN  24-Jun-14 ULKA-SATURN = DHANYA-JUPITER  24-Dec-14 ULKA-SATURN = BHRAMARI-MARS  24-Aug-15 ULKA-SATURN = BHADRIKA-MERCURY  24-Jun-16 Now consider the period of Mercury in vimsottari & other dasa Ketu Mercury - May-2012 to Jul-2013 Karkata - Thula - Mar-2012 to Mar-2016 Saturn- Venus / Rahu Jun-2011 to dec-2013 One of the main point that rises out of these is the matter of health and changes. You can see that the benefic effects of Mercury is off set by indications other dasa. Now consider the Transit of Jupiter throught these years. In dec jupiter shall re-enter Aquarius where Ketu is positioned. There is navams of Jupiter also. So this transit may confer mixed results of Ketu & jupiter. Ketu on hand can cause health issues while jupiter shall compensate with remedies. Being in Kumbha-hridroga, I would like to warn the native regarding problems related to heart and some issues related with his family. leagal issues may also crop up. However it is best to use " Sama " method of jupiter and deal with any such situations. This is also a good time to try and patch with his parents in a a very diplomatic manner & humility attributed to Jupiter. Its next transit through pisces aspected by Venus / mercury / saturn & navamsa of Gulika - can help him gain a small & old house, if real efforts are made. Nothing spectacular. But again it is better to be aware of the malefic influences of Saturn, retro mercury & gulika. Next transit to Aries - Sudha rasi - but aspected by Sun+mars to functional malefics & yoga karaka as well. and navamsa of Rahu. The transit may give him some good effects regarding house finance etc but should be wary about health & being cheated / losses also. During these periods it is likely that he may change his residence as well. About stock broking : Venus + Mercury together in the second seems to good combination for it. But considering the transit & dasa, one cannot expect too much profits from the same : at the most he can be make some profits enough to cater to his needs. But should be very carefull also. Over ambition and careless investments shall only lead to losses. The above is only a cursary assesment of the dasa / transit, just to give you an idea on how various other factors should also be taken into account. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > Sun, November 15, 2009 12:06:36 PM Re: Att.Suresh Babu Ji  Dear Friends, it is best to assess in such situation from navamsa as well as all three lagna(sudarshana chakra) as we get a balanced perspective. Basically yogakaraks jupiter,Mars and sun.of them sun.s debiltation in libra(3rd),jupiter in 6th(capricorn) and presence of mars in enemy sign are not well placed. Basically venus is considered to have an inimical relation with lagna lord that is sun,lord of 3rd(mool trikona sign) and 10th.It's palcement in neecha in 2nd a maraka further contribute'e to problems. Secondly as lord of 2nd mercury also owns 11th house,where moon is posited.From moon sign both these planets are in Kendra.At the best,the kenradhipati dosha of venus might get nullified but debilitaion does not go away.Also exalted planet mercury being retrograde,presence of venus in neecha does not get cancelled as the nakshtra lord being moon,an enemy.Also in navamsa in 2nd as bahva vargottama is also aspected by saturn and sun.Financially too not a good indication.Mercury in 4th in navamsa too though rasi vargottama and in uccha might not have given a good result during dasa for his employment and  in his formal education. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services)  --- On Sat, 11/14/09, Shailaja Mandre <shailajamandre@ .co. in> wrote: Shailaja Mandre <shailajamandre@ .co. in> Re: Att.Suresh Babu Ji Saturday, November 14, 2009, 8:06 AM  Respected Suresh Babu Ji I went through your explanation but still left with certain doubts  " As per BPHS In case Asc is Leo 10th Lord Venus in 2nd House gets deb. The native may get spl rise on Fin/Pol level but does not remain in high post for long....... " . Even when Venus is singly placed in 2nd House ( Leo Asc) the above results are seen as per BPHS. In this chart Venus is with Retro Mercury in 2nd House. Mercury is in own / MT sign . Asper basic rule the lord of the bhava if occupies or aspects its bhava protect/flourishes that bhava. So I feel eventhough Mercury is retro it has to give +ve attitude in life and good effects.  (70 to 80 %)   in its MD /AD.( I donot deny little upsdown may be there ) Secondly I want to know in this chart even LL & 5th Lord is deb.  How do you actually judge this chart . Waiting for your reply Regards Shailaja  --- On Fri, 13/11/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > Re: Att.Shailaja Mandre Ji Friday, 13 November, 2009, 7:43 AM   // I had seen that the dispositer of Venus is in Kendra from Moon and dispositer of Venus is in its own Rasi but I also new it that Retrograde Mercury in its exalted Rasi will yield result like a debiliated MercuryIs it Correct?// Yes & No. The effect may be correct but the logic is not. Dispositor of the debilated planet being the kendra of Moon surely cancells the neechtwa - However, Here the Mercury is the dispositor of Venus. As per classics, The Raja yoga comes into effect during the dasa / anthar dasa of the plant that causes the bhaga (here Mercury). So unless mercury is strong enough, the raja is not going to be effective. The Neecha Banga Raja yoga confers the effects of " Slumdog Millionaire " . But if the planet is not strong enough, the slumdog may get a little fatter or reach rich mans house. consider the paksha bala of moon also. Here the first rule to be applyed is Exlated mercury is with debilated Venus. So mercury & Venus cancels each other. So where mercury gets strength to confer the full effect of neecha banga raja yoga? it retrogration creates other issues and is secondary. Being in the kendra of Moon (mana karaka) it can cause many atittude problems, illusions about various facets about life or situations. Their way of thinking, logic and outlook need not be in tune with what other might be thinking or doing in the similar situations and general perspection, and this cause real problems in life.  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.    A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @ ymail.com> Fri, November 13, 2009 12:32:10 AM Re: Att.Shailaja Mandre Ji  Nice Observation by Sri Suresh Sir.I had observed the rule for Venus// I had seen that the dispositer of Venus is in Kendra from Moon and dispositer of Venus is in its own Rasi but I also new it that Retrograde Mercury in its exalted Rasi will yield result like a debiliated Mercury! Is it Correct? Hence debiliation is not cancelled  // I missed while observing Jupiter. Dhirendra Nath Misra  ____________ _________ _________ __ Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > Thu, November 12, 2009 10:59:45 PM Re: Att.Shailaja Mandre Ji  Though I don't want to interfere in your discussion, Just pointing a fundamental mistake. Jupiter's debilation does not get cancelled by having Saturn(its dispositor) in own house as stated under. //Lord of 5th is debiliated Jupiter though there is cancellation of debiliation of Jupiter also as dispositer of Jupiter is posited in its own Rasi.//  for neecha bangha raja yoga the rules are if a planet is debilated 1) its dispositor should be in the Kendra of Lagna or Chandra Lagna 2) Lord of its Exaltation sign should be in the kendra of Lagna or Chandra Lagna. These are the two ONLY conditions that are effective, All others do not provide the desired results. Neecha Banga Raja is much more powerfull than Raja yogas. In this case, either, Saturn should be in the kendra of Lagna or Moon OR moon should be in the kendra of Lagna. This does not happen here, hence no such raja yogas. The effect of Neecha Banga Raja shall be very prominent if effective. This is not my invention but based on pure classics. So take it or leave it.    A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @ ymail.com> Thu, November 12, 2009 8:11:08 PM Att.Shailaja Mandre Ji  Dear Shailaja Mandre Ji,Thanks for nice comment.I had seen that the dispositer of Venus is in Kendra from Moon and dispositer of Venus is in its own Rasi but I also new it that Retrograde Mercury in its exalted Rasi will yield result like a debiliated Mercury! Is it Correct? Hence debiliation is not cancelled in real sense and you see Venus is 10th lord which stands for his father and Venus is yielding its adverse result for Kamesh as parents of Kamesh have not cordial relation with him.Had the debiliation been cancelled in real sense his parents would have made cordial relation with Kamesh and Kamesh would have got his share money but he did not get it till date.No doubt shad Bal of Venus is high but what will you do for retrograde Mercury?Retrograde Mercury is posited in Kutumb Sthan+Dhan sthan and judge the role of lord of second house+ role of debiliated Venus from the lines written by Kamesh.            For speculation I have replied as per K.P System .Even then for your satisfaction I am telling you the role of lord of 2,5,and 11th house.Lord of 2nd and 11th is retrograde and posited in its exalted sign.It means it will yield result like a debiliated planet.Lord of 5th is debiliated Jupiter though there is cancellation of debiliation of Jupiter also as dispositer of Jupiter is posited in its own Rasi.Even then speculation seems unsafe for Kamesh .  Dhirendra Nath Misra  ____________ _________ _________ __ Shailaja Mandre <shailajamandre@ .co. in> Thu, November 12, 2009 11:48:35 AM Re: Help needed ????  Dear Dhirendra Nath Misraji I went through your delineation wherein you have mentioned that Venus is debilitated in his chart.  As per my observation Venus though debilitated it is conjunct with Mercury which gets exalted in Virgo even it is kendra from Moon therefore debilitation of Venus is canceled  Second house is aspected by Jupiter 9th aspect Jupiter placement in 6th House is bad but aspect is always good Jupiter is with Saturn 6th and 8th Lord in 6th House Viparit Rajyoga For speculation 2nd Lord 5th Lord & 11th Lord should be involved. In this chart 2nd and 11th Lord is Mercury 5th lord is Jupiter and Venus is with Mercury and aspected by Jupiter. Venus is also strong in SAV and Shadbala So I feel Venus is strong Only running dasha is of Ketu which is bad, but Ketu dasha though takes everything in the begining of the dasha STARTS giving in the end of the dasha. I am new in Astrology if I am wrong please rectify my mistake so that I can improve Please advise Regards     Shailaja --- On Wed, 11/11/09, Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @ ymail.com> wrote: Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @ ymail.com> Re: Help needed ???? Wednesday, 11 November, 2009, 6:42 PM  Dear Kamesh,First of all I want to tell you that your birth has taken place between 02:00:15AM to 02:00:40AM.At this time Ascendant Sub lord is Jupiter and Star lord of Moon is also Jupiter;Sub Sub lord of Ascendant is Ketu and Sub lord of Moon is also Ketu.Thus your noted birth time is 40 seconds behind.I use Krishnamurty Ayanamsa.Every astrologer must rectify birth time before he makes any prediction in accordance with his system.Now come to your questions. [1]share marketing/ stock broker business-As per your chart sub lord of 10th cusp is Venus.It is debiliated and posited in 2nd house.It is significator of 2,3,10,11,12th cusp but not of 5th and 7th cusp.It means all the conditions are not fulfilled.Hence this business is not 100% suitable for you.Don't invest huge amount. [2] you may have your own house between 30.06.2012 to 21.08.2012. [3] I am of the view that you will not get property easily from your parents as 10th lord is debiliated Venus rather your parents will destroy your property. With good wishes, Dhirendra Nath Misra  ____________ _________ _________ __ kameshkrm <kameshkrm (AT) (DOT) in> Wed, November 11, 2009 9:30:13 PM Help needed ????  Dear Sir, Please help? I am new to this group. I have taken VRS in 2003 right now I am not doing anything. Will I be able to do any business ( which one is favorable). I am thinking of becoming a Stock broker will it be successful. My parents have sold 80% of the property and they are not in good terms with me so I want to know 1) Can I buy a House in my life if yes when? 2) Can I get property/Money from parents? My details DOB 30-10-1961, TOB 2 am , POB Dharwar Long 75E 01 Lat 15N 28 I request you to kindly help me and relieve me of the mental agony which I am under going past 4 to 5 years. 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