Astrology

July 28, 2000

At 06:59 PM 7/28/00 DST, you wrote:

>>>I would like to ask you and others in this list, if you use Fagan-Allen`s

or Lahiri`s ayanamsa ; What is the base for you choosing these ayanamsas?

I use the Krishnamurti ayanamsa (six minutes different from Lahiri) based on

25 years experience and research with the navamsa and other harmonic (varga)

charts used in Jyotish (called Vedic by some). You can't define the

boundaries of the sidereal signs based only on the natal chart. You have to

see how the harmonic charts (especially the navamsa chart) read and how they

overlap the natal chart. When you get an exact to-the-degree conjunction of

transiting navamsa Mars in the solar return chart to the natal ascendant in

the year of death, for example, you know that you're working with a valid

ayanamsa.

Another example (from the current chart posted at ASTRODATABANK.COM):

JonBenet Ramsey, the child beauty contest winner who was murdered some years

ago. You have an exalted Moon in Taurus in the navamsa chart falling on her

natal ascendant, and a vargottama Venus (ascendant lord) in the same sign in

both charts. These two conditions partially account for her beauty. You need

a lot of examples and many charts to isolate the best ayanamsa, because

there will be some similarities in navamsa positions between the different

ayanamsas.

Here's an example from JonBenet's solar return chart for the year of her

death: Libra 27 rises in the solar return chart (Krishnamurti ayanamsa). In

her natal navamsa chart Mars and Ketu are in Libra, the 8th house/sign. The

solar return ascendant falls between Mars at 20 Libra and Ketu at 29 Libra.

Not totally exact, but remember that one natal minute equals 9 navamsa

minutes. So in reference to the usual horoscope, the orb is extremely small.

You have to work with groups of maybe 20 or 30 or 50 similar charts to

isolate the best ayanamsa. Take the winners of beauty contests, or charts

for the year of death for example. Some ayanamsas will miss in some of the

navamsa charts. Finally you find the ayanamsa that works in all the charts.

Teresa Hamilton

October 4, 2007

Dear Mr. Gupta,

You have written - " What I mean to say is that --

If these planets and stars are only used for prediction by

astrologers or they actually influence our life by some

cosmic force "

I w'd like to tell you that Esoteric Astrology is very much concerned

with actual influence of cosmic force in our life.

Bipin Behari has written two three good books on esoteric astrology,

pls. purchase them and enjoy reading.

In one's life, Belief and Disbelief on God is just a normal state,

There was a period in my own life when I lost my belief on God,

Ididn't believe the God till God didn't make me believe. God is not a

matter of beliefs, It's a matter of realization, realize and u need

not believe coz u will then know what is God and what u r.

That's a very private direct relationship beween u and God, You enjoy

that. However, I will tell u that God loves u irrespective of what u

think for the God.

Wish u all the best.

regards,

Lalit.

, " gupta089 " <gupta089 wrote:

>

> Dear members

> NAMASKAR

>

> TO

> Bhaskarji Tarunji Sudhirji Lalitji and to all others

>

> Uptill, few years back I used to believe in God but now I

> think that there is no God. similarly few years back

> Ihad a opinion that by hard work and strong Will power I

> can achieve or get anything but now I think that there is

> fixed path from which we can not deviate.

>

> Iwant to ask you a question --

> Is ASTROLOGY IS JUST A METHOD OF PREDICTION or it is a

> study of some FORCE ie some cosmic force which actually

> exist.

>

> What I mean to say is that --

> If these planets and stars are only used for prediction by

> astrologers or they actually influence our life by some

> cosmic force.

>

> If you have not understood yet take example of numbers.

> There are two different aspects ie- counting some article

> with the help of numbers or counting numbers itself.

>

> Iwant to know your views.

>

> Regards

> D.G.

>

October 5, 2007

-

Dear lalitji

NAMASKAR

This means that you realize the GOD.It is good.Generaly those

people who have faith in GOD abstain from wrong deeds.I think

this is the greatest advantage the society have from GOD.

Thanks for your information about the books.I will purchase

them.I already have two books of B.Behari The Timing of events

and Astrological Biographies.

B.Behari is also a human influenced by cosmic forces.

HOW can you prove that GOD and planatary force are

two different things It may be possible that --

the FORCE or STRENGTH or POWER to which we are worshiping

in the name of GOD,for thousand of years is nothing but

some kind of planatary force like Gravitational Force

yet to be discovered. The force which we are learning

in astrology.

Defend your GOD.

Regards

Dhananjay

In , " litsol " <litsol wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. Gupta,

>

> You have written - " What I mean to say is that --

> If these planets and stars are only used for prediction by

> astrologers or they actually influence our life by some

> cosmic force "

>

> I w'd like to tell you that Esoteric Astrology is very much

concerned

> with actual influence of cosmic force in our life.

>

> Bipin Behari has written two three good books on esoteric

astrology,

> pls. purchase them and enjoy reading.

>

> In one's life, Belief and Disbelief on God is just a normal state,

> There was a period in my own life when I lost my belief on God,

> Ididn't believe the God till God didn't make me believe. God is not

a

> matter of beliefs, It's a matter of realization, realize and u need

> not believe coz u will then know what is God and what u r.

>

> That's a very private direct relationship beween u and God, You

enjoy

> that. However, I will tell u that God loves u irrespective of what

u

> think for the God.

>

> Wish u all the best.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

> , " gupta089 " <gupta089@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear members

> > NAMASKAR

> >

> > TO

> > Bhaskarji Tarunji Sudhirji Lalitji and to all others

> >

> > Uptill, few years back I used to believe in God but now I

> > think that there is no God. similarly few years back

> > Ihad a opinion that by hard work and strong Will power I

> > can achieve or get anything but now I think that there is

> > fixed path from which we can not deviate.

> >

> > Iwant to ask you a question --

> > Is ASTROLOGY IS JUST A METHOD OF PREDICTION or it is a

> > study of some FORCE ie some cosmic force which actually

> > exist.

> >

> > What I mean to say is that --

> > If these planets and stars are only used for prediction by

> > astrologers or they actually influence our life by some

> > cosmic force.

> >

> > If you have not understood yet take example of numbers.

> > There are two different aspects ie- counting some article

> > with the help of numbers or counting numbers itself.

> >

> > Iwant to know your views.

> >

> > Regards

> > D.G.

> >

>

October 6, 2007

Dear Mr. Dhanajay Gupta,

You said - " HOW can you prove that GOD and planatary force are

two different things It may be possible that --

the FORCE or STRENGTH or POWER to which we are worshiping

in the name of GOD,for thousand of years is nothing but

some kind of planatary force like Gravitational Force

yet to be discovered. The force which we are learning

in astrology.Defend your GOD "

In my reply to you, I never said anything on relation between

planetory force and God.

Why u raised this question, either u want to exihibit something or

there is some curiosity in it's budding stage.

Ok, You tell me what proof u want, I will try my best for u to have

this proof in ur life.

It seems u know somewhat astrology, in the astrological texts nowhere

mentioned that planet's influence on a man's life is due to their

gravitational force, pls. mind it, existance of gravitaional force

was known to even ancient astrolologers, senior members of the group

can help u better in this respect.

regards,

Lalit.

, " gupta089 " <gupta089 wrote:

>

> -

> Dear lalitji

> NAMASKAR

>

> This means that you realize the GOD.It is good.Generaly those

> people who have faith in GOD abstain from wrong deeds.I think

> this is the greatest advantage the society have from GOD.

>

> Thanks for your information about the books.I will purchase

> them.I already have two books of B.Behari The Timing of events

> and Astrological Biographies.

> B.Behari is also a human influenced by cosmic forces.

>

> HOW can you prove that GOD and planatary force are

> two different things It may be possible that --

> the FORCE or STRENGTH or POWER to which we are worshiping

> in the name of GOD,for thousand of years is nothing but

> some kind of planatary force like Gravitational Force

> yet to be discovered. The force which we are learning

> in astrology.

> Defend your GOD.

> Regards

> Dhananjay

>

> In , " litsol " <litsol@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr. Gupta,

> >

> > You have written - " What I mean to say is that --

> > If these planets and stars are only used for prediction by

> > astrologers or they actually influence our life by some

> > cosmic force "

> >

> > I w'd like to tell you that Esoteric Astrology is very much

> concerned

> > with actual influence of cosmic force in our life.

> >

> > Bipin Behari has written two three good books on esoteric

> astrology,

> > pls. purchase them and enjoy reading.

> >

> > In one's life, Belief and Disbelief on God is just a normal

state,

> > There was a period in my own life when I lost my belief on God,

> > Ididn't believe the God till God didn't make me believe. God is

not

> a

> > matter of beliefs, It's a matter of realization, realize and u

need

> > not believe coz u will then know what is God and what u r.

> >

> > That's a very private direct relationship beween u and God, You

> enjoy

> > that. However, I will tell u that God loves u irrespective of

what

> u

> > think for the God.

> >

> > Wish u all the best.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > , " gupta089 " <gupta089@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear members

> > > NAMASKAR

> > >

> > > TO

> > > Bhaskarji Tarunji Sudhirji Lalitji and to all others

> > >

> > > Uptill, few years back I used to believe in God but now I

> > > think that there is no God. similarly few years back

> > > Ihad a opinion that by hard work and strong Will power I

> > > can achieve or get anything but now I think that there is

> > > fixed path from which we can not deviate.

> > >

> > > Iwant to ask you a question --

> > > Is ASTROLOGY IS JUST A METHOD OF PREDICTION or it is a

> > > study of some FORCE ie some cosmic force which actually

> > > exist.

> > >

> > > What I mean to say is that --

> > > If these planets and stars are only used for prediction by

> > > astrologers or they actually influence our life by some

> > > cosmic force.

> > >

> > > If you have not understood yet take example of numbers.

> > > There are two different aspects ie- counting some article

> > > with the help of numbers or counting numbers itself.

> > >

> > > Iwant to know your views.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > D.G.

> > >

> >

>

December 4, 2007

Trust you have basic knowledge of astrology. If you see the dasha

systems, every planet gets a chance to contribute or take revenge !!

It is ok if a planet do NOT ge the chance of being elected leader i.e.

wearing the crown of Mahadashanath !!, but he always has chance to be

either the Chief Minister i.e. Antardashanath or Commander i.e.

Pratyantar dashanath.

So our planets are also following democracy {our coined word for their

teamwork}... it is my personal opionion that their is NO real enmity

between the planets, but they are only playing chess with our lifes or

luck !!! through their democractic methods !!

with regards,

sreeram srinivas

, r_vani ramakrishnan

<r_vani61 wrote:

>

> Dear Sreeramji,

> Namaskar.

> Your explanations are very interesting and convincing.

> God is a Great Democrat and leaves the results of actions to their

deeds only,

> not interfering Himself.

> With regards,

> D.Ramakrishnan

>

> sreeram srinivas sreeram64 wrote:

> Dear Chawanji,

>

> Continuing from my previous posting: {but modulated to your immediate

> response}

>

> 1) On Lord Krishna - One need to be aware of the various mythology

> behind the " fatal attacks on his life " for it was a boon given to two

of

> his own " dwarapalaks " {i.e. security guards !! of Vaikuntam - Lord

> Vishnu's native place} to choose between 7 lifecycle of friendship or

4

> yrs of enemity !! they choose second option....- a result of blocking

a

> rishi i.e. Brahma kumars from visiting {they are Green Card Visa

Holders

> & had VIP status with diplomatic immunity} Lord Vishnu.

>

> If you really read Ramayana, Lord Ram inspite of his sticking to rules

&

> conditions, had violated few of them like killing of Mighty Vali

brother

> of Sugreeva, Youngster must be my favorite Arian i.e. Indrajit son of

> Mighty Ravan, ...etc.. though some justification was given, yet it has

> its own weaknesses

>

> 2) Jesus - was born to spread spiritualism amongst the non-believers,

> had to do some miracles {even miracles have some nature's laws to

> follow to happen}, to gain their beliefs, made dead men alive when

> challenged, ...etc.. so took the karma on himself and result....is the

> crucification....he got punished for the good he spread !!

>

> 3) I think you have not read or fully aware of the Puranas i.e. either

> Shivapuran or Vishnupuran...which talks of " big bang theories " and

> earth creation ....humans coming to world....etc....and its intended

> purpose......Lord Shiva is depicted in his ultimate form,with garland

of

> 27 skulls - indicating 27th round of universe evolution or creation !!

> {by one school of thought}

>

> 4) to ask and question yourself on those parameters...is

good..begining

> to evolve yourself......keep it up.....

>

> 5) though you have provided your birth data, i am yet to cast your

> hororscope, {which I do NOT want to do for now}, I would have made a

> planetary guess of your hororscope without asking {without knowing

your

> birthdata}, just to test my own knowledgebase and application....you

> have pre-empted my move....would take some other time to apply

them....

>

> 6) if you fluent in Hindi,then buy those Puranas set from Gita Press,

> they costs around Rs. 1,200 or Rs.1,500 very subsidized costs...it is

> well written to make a begining on hindu scriptures......

>

> 7) God believes in democracy, so he devised a system called Karma

theory

> or philosophy or sidhantam, {theory-current generation, philosophy -

> coined by westerners, sidhantam - rules as it is rightly said by

> believing hindus}, where in " self appraisal " is carried out in a

> mathematical process without his involvement or representation {we

have

> few humorous movies made depicting of COULD-BE-ERRORS down in south

> -telugu language},which decides your promotion or demotion in next

life

>

> 8) As many of current generation youngsters do not have the patience

to

> glean through those " heavy sanskrit literature " , prefers Google

Searches

> for answers, kindly take time to see the movie " Adi Shankaracharya " &

> 'Swami Vivekananda " made by a Malayam film producer, with excellent

> subtitles in english -infact the pictures are made in sanskrit later

> subtitled in various indian languages including hindi....for a good

> beginging.....

>

> 9) Astrology is your blue print {engineers term } or balance sheet of

> your karma. Just like any company's balance sheet one may have a

> pessimistic or optimistic outlook. Doing quarterly reviews {as

> announced in public....stocks go up & down}, showing a trend....so to

an

> individual - it is all about actions, action here indicates thoughts

> also - my helping of a person now can be with or without intent{secret

> agenda or personal wish behind it}...where it is helped without any

> selfishness, gets more credits, than bargaining God to give you good

> marks in exams or get you a MNC job and in return you would donate

some

> monies...=is a barter trade in which God is NOT interested.... what

can

> you give to him??...for he is owner of the entire universe....he only

> seeks your heart & love.... { a difficult thing to prove to youngster

> like you...for you are all charged/blood flows in veins, full of

> idealism ...but have less understanding at this age...!! - need to

wait

> for time to mature}.

>

> {nothing personal here - take it easy }

>

> Example - Abhimanyu of Mahabharat, was confident and over confident of

> entering " charkravyu " , even when stopped by master of self defence

Uncle

> Yudhistra

>

> Kindly update yourself on few literature stated above, then we will

> continue our healthy discussion......good to see youngsters probing

for

> serious answer !!!

>

> Knowing the true astrology is something like knowing the true

karmakanda

> indirectly....both go together....{karmakanda - karma burning !!

> ...taking cue from Sreenadh....like burning firewood..it is not that

> easy.....}

>

> with regards,

>

> sreeram srinivas

>

> , Prathamesn Chawan

> upaoakcrest@ wrote:

>

> Dear Srinivas Ji

>

> Greetings

>

> Lord Krishna had fatal attacks on his life. Krishna was a lord itself.

> What karma he did in his last life (which is not there) so that he got

> such a dangerous childhood ?

>

> What karma Jesus did ? He suffered a lot.

>

> Well, who made this karma or came up with this concept of Karma ? What

> was his desire ? If its God, then what does he want from human being ?

>

> Even if we believe that Karma theory ( supported by Gita) is true then

> it means that we are slave of a rule. Who made us slave of the rule ?

>

> There are many more question in my mind to ask you. Well, i am asking

> because of my planetary positions (19:13, Ghaziabad - UP,

> 25-August-1981).

>

> I think a lot on all these questions and try to justify or

counter-argue

> with myself on these question. But never got a satisfied reason.

>

> Thanks

>

> Jagdish

>

> Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: Dear Srinivas ji,

> ==>

> karma burning ....

> <==

> I wonder - is it some thing like Firewood?! :=)

> Love and hugs,

> Sreenadh

> Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive online.

>

December 11, 2008

Hello Hari,

Ladies can also learn and practice predictive astrology.

Best wishes.

-

" Hari Prasad " <hari.tech

Thursday, December 11, 2008 9:11 PM

Astrology

Respected Sir:

Learning and practising predictive astrology is limited to only gents? or

ladies can also learn and practise astrology?

Regards

Hari

December 11, 2008

Mr Choudhry

I have never understood this dilemma that most people have. Why do they think

that this kind of study is meant only for males and not females? I have heard

this form many people around me and cannot quite get why it is percieved to be

'males only' area.

Does this have any historical/orthodox reasons?

Please enlighten.

Kanupriya

________________________________

SIHA <vkchoudhry

Thursday, December 11, 2008 9:52:35 PM

Re: Astrology

Hello Hari,

Ladies can also learn and practice predictive astrology.

Best wishes.

-

" Hari Prasad " <hari.tech

Thursday, December 11, 2008 9:11 PM

Astrology

Respected Sir:

Learning and practising predictive astrology is limited to only gents? or

ladies can also learn and practise astrology?

Regards

Hari

---

December 12, 2008

Hello Kanupriya,

There are no historical reasons.

Best wishes.

-

Kan Chak

Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:00 PM

Re: Re: Astrology

Mr Choudhry

I have never understood this dilemma that most people have. Why do they think

that this kind of study is meant only for males and not females? I have heard

this form many people around me and cannot quite get why it is percieved to be

'males only' area.

Does this have any historical/orthodox reasons?

Please enlighten.

Kanupriya

________________________________

SIHA <vkchoudhry

Thursday, December 11, 2008 9:52:35 PM

Re: Astrology

Hello Hari,

Ladies can also learn and practice predictive astrology.

Best wishes.

-

" Hari Prasad " <hari.tech

Thursday, December 11, 2008 9:11 PM

Astrology

Respected Sir:

Learning and practising predictive astrology is limited to only gents? or

ladies can also learn and practise astrology?

Regards

Hari

---

December 12, 2008

Respected all,

Apologies for jumping in. A good question that needs a serious introspection.

Male Chauvinism!?!?!?!!

Once we leave this temporary physical body, there is no gender for the ATMA.

With greetings of love & light,

Kailash

Kan Chak

Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:00 PM

Re: Re: Astrology

Mr Choudhry

I have never understood this dilemma that most people have. Why do they think

that this kind of study is meant only for males and not females? I have heard

this form many people around me and cannot quite get why it is percieved to be

'males only' area.

Does this have any historical/orthodox reasons?

Please enlighten.

Kanupriya

________________________________

SIHA <vkchoudhry

Thursday, December 11, 2008 9:52:35 PM

Re: Astrology

Hello Hari,

Ladies can also learn and practice predictive astrology.

Best wishes.

-

" Hari Prasad " <hari.tech

Thursday, December 11, 2008 9:11 PM

Astrology

Respected Sir:

Learning and practising predictive astrology is limited to only gents? or

ladies can also learn and practise astrology?

Regards

Hari

---

December 12, 2008

Dear Kailash

I agree with you. There is no gender for ATMA. Then why have questions whether

females can practise and learn astrology or not?

Kanupriya

________________________________

COSMICPEACE <colkailash

Friday, December 12, 2008 7:53:56 AM

Re: Re: Astrology

Respected all,

Apologies for jumping in. A good question that needs a serious introspection.

Male Chauvinism!? !?!?!!

Once we leave this temporary physical body, there is no gender for the ATMA.

With greetings of love & light,

Kailash

Kan Chak

Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:00 PM

@ s.com

Re: Re: Astrology

Mr Choudhry

I have never understood this dilemma that most people have. Why do they think

that this kind of study is meant only for males and not females? I have heard

this form many people around me and cannot quite get why it is percieved to be

'males only' area.

Does this have any historical/orthodox reasons?

Please enlighten.

Kanupriya

____________ _________ _________ __

SIHA <vkchoudhry (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

@ s.com

Thursday, December 11, 2008 9:52:35 PM

Re: Astrology

Hello Hari,

Ladies can also learn and practice predictive astrology.

Best wishes.

-

" Hari Prasad " <hari.tech >

<@ s.com>

Thursday, December 11, 2008 9:11 PM

Astrology

Respected Sir:

Learning and practising predictive astrology is limited to only gents? or

ladies can also learn and practise astrology?

Regards

Hari

------------ --------- --------- ------

February 27, 2009

Namaste Neelam ji,

Astrology cannot be separated from Karma siddhanta. Without knowledge

of Karma Siddhanta difficult to delve complex issues in astrology and

our entire mythology revolves around this siddhanta only. {limiting to

astrology & Law of Karma}.

Conclusion : To me there is NO theory...... but crystal - Laws of

Karma...... in entire Hinduism or scriptures there is NO scope for use

of theory... clearly stated laws only....

In general agree to your points except for the use of word - Theory.

With regards,

Sreeram_Srinivas

February 27, 2009

Thank you Sreeram ji for sharing your views.What is the difference between Theory and Sidhhanta? And an accepted theory is Law.Agree hindi and sanskrit words have a wider ambit as compared to their angrezi counterparts.

RegardsNeelam2009/2/27 sreeram srinivas <sreeram64

Namaste Neelam ji,

Astrology cannot be separated from Karma siddhanta. Without knowledge

of Karma Siddhanta difficult to delve complex issues in astrology and

our entire mythology revolves around this siddhanta only. {limiting to

astrology & Law of Karma}.

Conclusion : To me there is NO theory...... but crystal - Laws of

Karma...... in entire Hinduism or scriptures there is NO scope for use

of theory... clearly stated laws only....

In general agree to your points except for the use of word - Theory.

With regards,

Sreeram_Srinivas

February 27, 2009

Dear Sreeram Srinivas,

I agree with you that the law of karma can not be changes as it is a Law. But my

friend the subsequent portion based on law of Karma the sidhanta and Astrology

needs modification and rectification according to Desh, Kala and Patra from time

to time. It is not stagnated.The Kala is changing with in friction of seconds.

So is the culture and costomes of the Desh and patra. We have to apply the law

of Karma with caution.

Love and regards

--- On Fri, 2/27/09, sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 wrote:

> sreeram srinivas <sreeram64

> Re: Astrology

>

> Friday, February 27, 2009, 6:34 AM

> Namaste Neelam ji,

>

> Astrology cannot be separated from Karma siddhanta.

> Without knowledge

> of Karma Siddhanta difficult to delve complex issues in

> astrology and

> our entire mythology revolves around this siddhanta only.

> {limiting to

> astrology & Law of Karma}.

>

> Conclusion : To me there is NO theory...... but crystal -

> Laws of

> Karma...... in entire Hinduism or scriptures there is NO

> scope for use

> of theory... clearly stated laws only....

>

> In general agree to your points except for the use of word

> - Theory.

>

> With regards,

>

> Sreeram_Srinivas

>

> ---

>

February 27, 2009

Dear all,

All this discussion bounces back to the same old grandmothers advise.

One cannot change the results of his dridha Paapa Karmas, but actions of

repentance and walking on the right path , living a Life of Order, can

definitely reduce the effects of adridha paap karmas.

Results of Dirdha punya karmas, and adridha punya karmas , goes without

saying, that everbody wants to enjoy, and does not wish to change.

The 3rd, 6th, 10th and the 11th , along with the 12th houses of ones

Horoscope, does allow certain scope for changing ones destiny, subject

to limits demracated for the individual, which the individual himself

realises after constant trying to achieve certain desires in Life, due

to constant efforts in his pursuit of desires. A laid back attitude of

resigned acceptance , that our destiny does not allow this or that, "

mera naseeb hi futa hua hai " , is not going to work, and is not

prescribed in the Bhagavad Gita, or our scriptures.

Therefore unless and until a person keeps on trying and trying, to

achieve, what he has set in Life, one must not say that his destiny does

not allow this or that.

Karma is first, dependance on destiny is only for the cowards, and

no-good lethargic people, who do not wish to work. Of course guidance

from astrology and taking its help, in delineation of karmas, is the

right way to go about doing ones karmas, as the pitfalls witnessed in

deliverance of ones duties, would be less if one takes proper advise,

and then sets about working hard in his duties.

regards/Bhaskar.

, " S.C. Kursija "

<sckursija wrote:

>

> Dear Sreeram Srinivas,

> I agree with you that the law of karma can not be changes as it is a

Law. But my friend the subsequent portion based on law of Karma the

sidhanta and Astrology needs modification and rectification according to

Desh, Kala and Patra from time to time. It is not stagnated.The Kala is

changing with in friction of seconds. So is the culture and costomes of

the Desh and patra. We have to apply the law of Karma with caution.

> Love and regards

>

> --- On Fri, 2/27/09, sreeram srinivas sreeram64 wrote:

>

> > sreeram srinivas sreeram64

> > Re: Astrology

> >

> > Friday, February 27, 2009, 6:34 AM

> > Namaste Neelam ji,

> >

> > Astrology cannot be separated from Karma siddhanta.

> > Without knowledge

> > of Karma Siddhanta difficult to delve complex issues in

> > astrology and

> > our entire mythology revolves around this siddhanta only.

> > {limiting to

> > astrology & Law of Karma}.

> >

> > Conclusion : To me there is NO theory...... but crystal -

> > Laws of

> > Karma...... in entire Hinduism or scriptures there is NO

> > scope for use

> > of theory... clearly stated laws only....

> >

> > In general agree to your points except for the use of word

> > - Theory.

> >

> > With regards,

> >

> > Sreeram_Srinivas

> >

> > ---

> >

February 27, 2009

Dear Bhaskar ji, Neelam ji, Sreenadh ji and Gaurav ji,Thank you for your inputs. Here is an abstract, and if this looks okay then I will proceed to add content. What is Jyotisha for? Jyotisha is the study of shining/stellar bodies. It has multiple aspects: 1. Calculative 2. Observational 3. Study of stellar phenomena and the corresponding phenomena on earth, the resonating changes in our lives with stellar phenomena 4. Prediction of events based on the above

5. Determining auspicious and suitable time for human initiatives It is a Vedanga, one of the six limbs of the Veda, and is said to be the eye of Veda Purusha - for the reason that it is through Jyotisha that one can "see". Predictions are three types:1. Coincidental 2. Cause-effect study 3. Intuitive Applications of Jyotisha 1. Prediction of events 2. Muhurta nirnaya 3. Understanding the cause-effect of universe and life and resonate with it instead of go against it or compromise with it 4. Understand the Veda 5. Loka kalyana What does it get to the practitioner? Jnana Moksha

February 27, 2009

||Jai Ramakrishna||Dear Shankaraji,All is fine, but personally, the end part is somewhat misleading to me & is contradictory with Vedanta/Upanishad.//What does it get to the practitioner? Jnana Moksha//There is a small story in Mundaka Upanishad. A householder, named "Shounok" visits Sage Angira & asks, "Which is that "Vidya"(knowledge),knowing which one can know each & everything?".Sage Angira says, "Well, there are two types of Vidya for ideal knowledge "Dwe Vidye Veditavye iti". What are those ?? "Para Chaivaaparaa cha"--Para Vidya & Apara Vidya."Sage Angira continues "Tatraaparaa--Rigvedo,Yajurvedah, Samavedo-atharvavedah Shiksha Kalpo Vyakaranam Niruktam Chhando Jyotishamiti|Atha Paraa--Yayaa Tadaksharamadhigamyate".Aparaa Vidya--Veda & 6 Vedangas (limbs of Veda). Veda actually represents the Karma Kanda.Paraa Vidya--One which helps in achieving that "Akshara" i.e. Brahma.So I doubt, whether Jyotish will help in giving one Jnana/Moksha or not.The karmakandas which the sage mentioned represent nothing but the education, which is required for daily living. In this context, it reminds of Shri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa (Co-incidentally today is His 174th Birth Tithi!!!!) who was forced to study Sanskrit by his elder brother, who was scholar in those years. Sri Ramakrishna used to say "I will not learn that "Vidya" which will help me in getting my monthly salary(since their profession was to earn living by doing Pujas etc). The sole aim for my life is to achieve the almighty.".Thank you,. , ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli <shankarabharadwaj wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar ji, Neelam ji, Sreenadh ji and Gaurav ji,> > Thank you for your inputs. Here is an abstract, and if this looks okay then I will proceed to add content. > > What is Jyotisha for? > > Jyotisha is the study of shining/stellar bodies. It has multiple aspects: > 1. Calculative > 2. Observational > > 3. Study of stellar phenomena and the corresponding phenomena on earth, the resonating changes in our lives with stellar phenomena > 4. Prediction of events based on the above > 5. Determining auspicious and suitable time for human initiatives > > It is a Vedanga, one of the six limbs of the Veda, and is said to be the eye of Veda Purusha - for the reason that it is through Jyotisha that one can "see". > > Predictions are three types:> 1. Coincidental > 2. Cause-effect study > 3. Intuitive > > Applications of Jyotisha > 1. Prediction of events > 2. Muhurta nirnaya > 3. Understanding the cause-effect of universe and life and resonate with it instead of go against it or compromise with it > 4. Understand the Veda > 5. Loka kalyana > > What does it get to the practitioner? > Jnana > Moksha>

February 27, 2009

Dear all,

The Law of karma's is very difficult for us mortals to understand,

and we must spend time on doing good karma's in Life, rather

than speculating on all this.

Check this out -

1) A person stamps a ant while walking unknowingly.

2) A person purposely enjoying stamping an ant while walking.

1) A poor person robbing bread loaves from a shop due to

his inability to feed his big family from his meagre earnings.

2) A rich person robbing bread loaves from a shop because the

shop owner was not attentive and watching, and this guy enjoyed

taking a few loaves just for the heck of it.

1) A happily married man desiring a widow's company for enjoyment.

2) A distraught man fed up with his cruel wife's behaviour, wanting to enjoy a widows company for enjoyment.

The action or karma's in all above cases will be same, but the desire for

karma's, and results of the karma's done would be different in all cases,

for each individual, though the action (a) killing an insect while walking (b) robbing bread loaves © enjoying union with a widow, respectively would be same for all the individuals don't you think ?

So we cannot decide exactly what the law of Karma's are.

Our job is just to keep on doing the right karma's as known to us. Desire must be pure and righteous, for righteous causes, means to attain same must be in accordance with ethical principles, and results must be left to the Lord, both results - fulfillment of desire, as well as the subsequent effect arising due to such action of indulging in Karma and attainment of desire.

regards/Bhaskar.

, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Dear all,> > All this discussion bounces back to the same old grandmothers advise.> > One cannot change the results of his dridha Paapa Karmas, but actions of> repentance and walking on the right path , living a Life of Order, can> definitely reduce the effects of adridha paap karmas.> > Results of Dirdha punya karmas, and adridha punya karmas , goes without> saying, that everbody wants to enjoy, and does not wish to change.> > The 3rd, 6th, 10th and the 11th , along with the 12th houses of ones> Horoscope, does allow certain scope for changing ones destiny, subject> to limits demracated for the individual, which the individual himself> realises after constant trying to achieve certain desires in Life, due> to constant efforts in his pursuit of desires. A laid back attitude of> resigned acceptance , that our destiny does not allow this or that, "> mera naseeb hi futa hua hai ", is not going to work, and is not> prescribed in the Bhagavad Gita, or our scriptures.> > Therefore unless and until a person keeps on trying and trying, to> achieve, what he has set in Life, one must not say that his destiny does> not allow this or that.> > Karma is first, dependance on destiny is only for the cowards, and> no-good lethargic people, who do not wish to work. Of course guidance> from astrology and taking its help, in delineation of karmas, is the> right way to go about doing ones karmas, as the pitfalls witnessed in> deliverance of ones duties, would be less if one takes proper advise,> and then sets about working hard in his duties.> > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > , "S.C. Kursija"> sckursija@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Sreeram Srinivas,> > I agree with you that the law of karma can not be changes as it is a> Law. But my friend the subsequent portion based on law of Karma the> sidhanta and Astrology needs modification and rectification according to> Desh, Kala and Patra from time to time. It is not stagnated.The Kala is> changing with in friction of seconds. So is the culture and costomes of> the Desh and patra. We have to apply the law of Karma with caution.> > Love and regards> >> >> > --- On Fri, 2/27/09, sreeram srinivas sreeram64@ wrote:> >> > > sreeram srinivas sreeram64@> > > Re: Astrology> > > > > > Friday, February 27, 2009, 6:34 AM> > > Namaste Neelam ji,> > >> > > Astrology cannot be separated from Karma siddhanta.> > > Without knowledge> > > of Karma Siddhanta difficult to delve complex issues in> > > astrology and> > > our entire mythology revolves around this siddhanta only.> > > {limiting to> > > astrology & Law of Karma}.> > >> > > Conclusion : To me there is NO theory...... but crystal -> > > Laws of> > > Karma...... in entire Hinduism or scriptures there is NO> > > scope for use> > > of theory... clearly stated laws only....> > >> > > In general agree to your points except for the use of word> > > - Theory.> > >> > > With regards,> > >> > > Sreeram_Srinivas> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ---> > >> > >

February 27, 2009

Dear Sirs,

This is perfectly good.

regards/Bhaskar.

, ShankaraBharadwaj

Khandavalli <shankarabharadwaj wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji, Neelam ji, Sreenadh ji and Gaurav ji,

>

> Thank you for your inputs. Here is an abstract, and if this looks okay

then I will proceed to add content.

>

> What is Jyotisha for?

>

> Jyotisha is the study of shining/stellar bodies. It has multiple

aspects:

> 1. Calculative

> 2. Observational

>

> 3. Study of stellar phenomena and the corresponding phenomena on

earth, the resonating changes in our lives with stellar phenomena

> 4. Prediction of events based on the above

> 5. Determining auspicious and suitable time for human initiatives

>

> It is a Vedanga, one of the six limbs of the Veda, and is said to be

the eye of Veda Purusha - for the reason that it is through Jyotisha

that one can " see " .

>

> Predictions are three types:

> 1. Coincidental

> 2. Cause-effect study

> 3. Intuitive

>

> Applications of Jyotisha

> 1. Prediction of events

> 2. Muhurta nirnaya

> 3. Understanding the cause-effect of universe and life and resonate

with it instead of go against it or compromise with it

> 4. Understand the Veda

> 5. Loka kalyana

>

> What does it get to the practitioner?

> Jnana

> Moksha

>

February 27, 2009

Dear Shankar ji,The content is fine, but if it is for the beginners, we could make it simpler and more understandable.Here's some input to make is more direct, you may include this if you find it suitable.

What is astrology?Astrology, the study of starts is derived from the word astron – a star and logos – reason or logic. Simply put, it is the study of the correlation between the astronomical positions of the planets and events on earth. Astrologers believe that the positions of the planets at the time of a person's birth have a direct influence on that person's life.

Indian Astrology or JyotishaIndian astrology is an ancient knowledge known as Jyotisha, or Knowledge of Light which is the root cause of all creation. Jyotisha is a Vedanga, one of the six limbs of the Vedas, and is said to be the Chakshu (eye) of Veda Purusha - for the reason that it is through Jyotisha that one can " see " .

For the ease of understanding, we may divide it into following branches:Natal Astrology: This concerns largely with the life of human beings. A birth chart is made for the moment of birth and for a particular place of birth, and from this chart one can read all about the native as well as his future events.

Horary Astrology: This includes predicting the events on the basis of planetary position at the time of query.Electional Astrology or Muhurta: This branch indicates the auspicious time for undertaking various activities and undertakings in life.

Mundane Astrology: This includes predicting about weather, natural calamities like earthquakes, floods, famines etc, national and international events pertaining to leaders, governments and masses.

Since astrology is a vast subject, one may also subdivide it into medical astrology, astro-meterology, judicial astrology, omens, etc.Who can learn astrology?

The learner should have a basic knowledge and interest in mathematics and astronomyHe should have a scholarly approach, i.e read, understand, think, interpret and apply.Intuition and plays a part in correct interpretation, so one should have devotion to God and should do prayers regularly.

He should enjoy a peace of mind and have no worries in general.What could be the purpose of learning?One can learn astrology as a hobby and for the sake of gaining knowledge of the subject.

One can also utilise the learning to become a professional astrologer and consultant.What should be the conduct of an astrologer: (we may add this)

We can have other opinions on this.RegardsNeelam

February 27, 2009

Dear Neelam ji,This was the abstract or rather the contents - the idea was to put that on the table and then expand it, of course in the beginner's language. Shankarneelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 7:44:02 PMRe: Re: Astrology

Dear Shankar ji,The content is fine, but if it is for the beginners, we could make it simpler and more understandable.Here's some input to make is more direct, you may include this if you find it suitable.

What is astrology?Astrology, the study of starts is derived from the word astron â€“ a star and logos â€“ reason or logic. Simply put, it is the study of the correlation between the astronomical positions of the planets and events on earth. Astrologers believe that the positions of the planets at the time of a person's birth have a direct influence on that person's life.

Indian Astrology or JyotishaIndian astrology is an ancient knowledge known as Jyotisha, or Knowledge of Light which is the root cause of all creation. Jyotisha is a Vedanga, one of the six limbs of the Vedas, and is said to be the Chakshu (eye) of Veda Purusha - for the reason that it is through Jyotisha that one can "see".

For the ease of understanding, we may divide it into following branches:Natal Astrology: This concerns largely with the life of human beings. A birth chart is made for the moment of birth and for a particular place of birth, and from this chart one can read all about the native as well as his future events.

Horary Astrology: This includes predicting the events on the basis of planetary position at the time of query.Electional Astrology or Muhurta: This branch indicates the auspicious time for undertaking various activities and undertakings in life.

Mundane Astrology: This includes predicting about weather, natural calamities like earthquakes, floods, famines etc, national and international events pertaining to leaders, governments and masses.

Since astrology is a vast subject, one may also subdivide it into medical astrology, astro-meterology, judicial astrology, omens, etc.Who can learn astrology?

The learner should have a basic knowledge and interest in mathematics and astronomyHe should have a scholarly approach, i.e read, understand, think, interpret and apply.Intuition and plays a part in correct interpretation, so one should have devotion to God and should do prayers regularly.

He should enjoy a peace of mind and have no worries in general.What could be the purpose of learning?One can learn astrology as a hobby and for the sake of gaining knowledge of the subject.

One can also utilise the learning to become a professional astrologer and consultant.What should be the conduct of an astrologer: (we may add this)

We can have other opinions on this.RegardsNeelam

February 27, 2009

Dear Gaurav ji,Jyotisha, apart from being a subject, is an approach to life. Just like Vyakarana. Vyakarana, far from merely being a subject for understanding text, is a Darsana - a window to the eternal truth, and an approach. The premise of Vyakarana is that purifying speech begets perfection in being (vak-yoga). The premise of Siksha is that purifying pronunciation begets perfection in being (nada yoga). The premise of Jyotisha is "as above so below" - as you understand stellar you understand life and universe. That is why Jyotisha is called Jyotirveda. Thus each Vedanga is a specialization, and an approach to perfection/salvation. Regarding Jnana and Karma: 1. That jnana alone begets moksha,

is the Vedantic premise, which is one of the many darsanas. Every premise is valid in its own framework. The jnana that Vedanta speaks of, is not the understanding of the universe but the wisdom of difference between atma and non-atma, the permanent and transient. And Vedanta is not a darsana of methods to arrive at such jnana. The jnana marga, that includes sravana-manana-nididhyasana, is only one of the various methods to acquire such jnana. 2. Moreover jnana marga too is just one of the many approaches to salvation. Karma marga is about nullifying karma to attain salvation. That is through arriving at a state beyond dharma and adharma. In essence it is possible only with the realization of difference between atma and non-atma. Thus karma and jnana are only two approaches. 3. Karma and jnana as two stages in life, is basically an impression we get from ashrama dharma. However we should understand that such arrangement is because of the

primary importance given to karma and not because it is treated as secondary. It is through karma alone, that one gradates from pravritti to nivritti. And during nivritti, karma becomes more and more symbolic, and less and less literal/physical - because it is no more kamya but para. 4. Upanishad is intended for a sanyasi, and that does not mean he alone qualifies for liberation. 5. The terminology of Vedanta cannot be understood without understanding the terminology of Veda. Words like "Maaya" etc of Vedanta do not negate or dismiss the postulates of Karma. Vedanta takes for granted, that one who approaches Vedanta is through his earlier three ashramas and is well versed with Purva Mimamsa terminology. Therefore it does not labor to explain the nature of world. As Sankara says: there is a vyavaharika and a paramarthika view of the universe. For everything about vyavaharika, follow Bhatta (Kumarila) without any second thought. Vedanta

speaks about paramarthika. That is the reason why Vedanta does not labor to explain the nature of six pramanas and so on and so forth. One cannot compartmentalize Jnana and Karma and understand them - one can understand the context of Jnana ONLY through the understanding of Karma. 6. Those who think Upanishad is in a way superior to Veda/Karma portion ignore that Upanishad is not a development over Veda but a SUMMARY OF Vedic truth, an inquiry into the spiritual philosophy of Vedic truth. This also establishes the relation between them. 7. The logic is simple: if you continue as a grhastha for life, follow Karma Mimamsa. Your moksha is guaranteed if you cultivate nivritti through pravritti. If you take to sanyasa, then be sure that you have won over desires, and also have the thorough knowledge of the worldly subjects before you take to it. Then, you have no use for anything vyavaharika - physically you are alive but you are as good as

dead for the society. You have no aspirations and no attachments, no responsibilities - all you do is to acquire atma-anatma vivecana through nirantara nididhyasana. Your moksha is guaranteed in that case. About worldly and eternal knowledge:

There are many ways man can

achieve completeness â€“ art forms, research, social activity â€“ in short any kind

of synthesis. Synthesis brings completeness. In traditional language one

transcends annamaya, pranamaya and manomaya kosas with synthetic activity and

lives in vijnanamaya kosa. He then moves further in, to anandamaya kosa and

within that to achieve total completeness. But in this stage of transcendence

he does things that do not relate to the subject of his synthetic activity. For

instance, a scientist stops speaking about laws of science and starts dwelling

in philosophy. An artist no more thinks of skill but only expresses his deepest

experiences. A social activist no more represents his community or cause or

principle but becomes instrument in the universal cause. In this stage he does

continue to synthesize but it is entirely different both in content and quality

from what he does earlier. This is the highest form of synthesis and offers the

highest fulfillment for manâ€™s life.

However when it comes to the pursuit of a sastra, this evolution does not outwardly reflect in a change of subject of pursuit. The word sastra cannot be subsituted with science or art or knowledge

or practice or quest. It is all this and more than this. Every sastra,

every art-form, every science-form, in Sanatana Dharma, while begetting

worldly knowledge, will take the being into the transcendental plane

eventually. One will, through the pursuit of

worldly, progressively identify himself with the higher faculties of

his consciousness. In every sastra, there is a paramarthika aspect.

Shankar <gaurav.ghosh Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 2:38:03 PM Re: Astrology

||Jai Ramakrishna| |Dear Shankaraji,All is fine, but personally, the end part is somewhat misleading to me & is contradictory with Vedanta/Upanishad.//What does it get to the practitioner? Jnana Moksha//There is a small story in Mundaka Upanishad. A householder, named "Shounok" visits Sage Angira & asks, "Which is that "Vidya"(knowledge) ,knowing which one can know each & everything?" .Sage Angira says, "Well, there are two types of Vidya for ideal knowledge "Dwe Vidye Veditavye iti". What are those ?? "Para Chaivaaparaa cha"--Para Vidya & Apara Vidya."Sage Angira continues "Tatraaparaa- -Rigvedo, Yajurvedah, Samavedo-atharvaved ah Shiksha Kalpo Vyakaranam Niruktam Chhando Jyotishamiti| Atha Paraa--Yayaa Tadaksharamadhigamy ate".Aparaa Vidya--Veda & 6 Vedangas (limbs of Veda). Veda actually represents the Karma Kanda.Paraa Vidya--One which helps

in achieving that "Akshara" i.e. Brahma.So I doubt, whether Jyotish will help in giving one Jnana/Moksha or not.The karmakandas which the sage mentioned represent nothing but the education, which is required for daily living. In this context, it reminds of Shri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa (Co-incidentally today is His 174th Birth Tithi!!!!) who was forced to study Sanskrit by his elder brother, who was scholar in those years. Sri Ramakrishna used to say "I will not learn that "Vidya" which will help me in getting my monthly salary(since their profession was to earn living by doing Pujas etc). The sole aim for my life is to achieve the almighty.".Thank you,.

February 27, 2009

I shall put your notes under the corresponding headings as it is. ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli <shankarabharadwaj Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 7:50:09 PMRe: Re: Astrology

Dear Neelam ji,This was the abstract or rather the contents - the idea was to put that on the table and then expand it, of course in the beginner's language. Shankarneelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>ancient_indian_ astrologyFriday, February 27, 2009 7:44:02 PMRe: [ancient_indian_

astrology] Re: Astrology