Guest guest Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Jyotish (and Astrology in general) is a very interesting pursuit indeed! It is wonderful to see so many avid and ardent & Knowledgeable individuals from the different schools and faith-systems in astrology that participate and come forth with so many interesting discussions and so on: through readings, expositions, case-studies and more. We talk about marriages, love affairs, diseases, education, demises, births, and we utilize symbolism as given to us by Rishis (with some of the beautiful signals getting a bit noisier over the passage of thousands of years, understandably!), BUT ALL OF THESE are tied to ONE and ONLY ONE KING-PIN = E-P-O-C-H! The MOMENT of birth, the moment of Prashna and so on ... Birthtimes have often been the subject of doubt, questioning and so on. Over the years of reading them, I have observed/understood that many jyotishis habitually rectify the birthtime before proceeding. I am curious to know how common is this practice amongst the practitioners here? The commonest tell-tale sign of a 'rectified' birthtime is when it is provided as HH:MM:SS! Particularly birthtimes recorded in earlier years when liberated and overzealous 'Dads' were not allowed into the birthing chambers (Home or Hospital! The pre-YUPPY births!!). It is a good idea to question any HH:MM:SS birthtime as to the source, type of rectification etc. Just as one would not accept a recorded birthtime, there is no reason NOT TO QUESTION a HH:MM:SS birthtime, even if it is coming from a Great Jyotishi! Even if it is his own birthtime! RR_, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Dear RR ji, Namasthe, You have putforth an inportant question - rather should I say, a statement, indirectly.    I had raised this issue on this forum and even advised the members not to provide rectified TOB. Since you raised this issue again, and having much experience in the field, TOB correction depends on many factors and need not be compatable with systems of analysis other than with which it was done. Hence, TOB corrected with one system / astrologer need not be good for others. So it is my contention that natives should only provide the recorded TOB's. Let the astrologer correct it as per his system of choise / understanding and provide his reading.   Personaly, I don't think it is as simple as simple as adding 2+2=4, as some schools think it to be. Otherwise the number sages / acharyas could have included a simple two line verse in their whole works which contain hundreds of them, far more complex. While it is very good to study the various methods of correction, they are rarely applied in real life. It is my experience, that 90% percent of the consultations may not require such corrections. It depends on the various situations like planets in rasi sandhi / navamsa sandhi and how deep & accurate one is supposed to study the chart and is required to.   off late Internet community has been caughtup with an an obscession to correct TOB, perhaps perptrated by a few who claim to be dead accurate.  //The commonest tell-tale sign of a 'rectified' birthtime is when it is provided as HH:MM:SS! // Sure. the above format is tell-tale sign and I become suspicious of it. But the person who puts such query also has a responcibility to know atleast some basics. Why should we spend time again & again for finding the truth?   Others may have a different opinion - quite natural. regardsA.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ________________________________ rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Wed, December 2, 2009 5:56:43 AM Birthtimes ...!  Jyotish (and Astrology in general) is a very interesting pursuit indeed! It is wonderful to see so many avid and ardent & Knowledgeable individuals from the different schools and faith-systems in astrology that participate and come forth with so many interesting discussions and so on: through readings, expositions, case-studies and more. We talk about marriages, love affairs, diseases, education, demises, births, and we utilize symbolism as given to us by Rishis (with some of the beautiful signals getting a bit noisier over the passage of thousands of years, understandably! ), BUT ALL OF THESE are tied to ONE and ONLY ONE KING-PIN = E-P-O-C-H! The MOMENT of birth, the moment of Prashna and so on ... Birthtimes have often been the subject of doubt, questioning and so on. Over the years of reading them, I have observed/understood that many jyotishis habitually rectify the birthtime before proceeding. I am curious to know how common is this practice amongst the practitioners here? The commonest tell-tale sign of a 'rectified' birthtime is when it is provided as HH:MM:SS! Particularly birthtimes recorded in earlier years when liberated and overzealous 'Dads' were not allowed into the birthing chambers (Home or Hospital! The pre-YUPPY births!!). It is a good idea to question any HH:MM:SS birthtime as to the source, type of rectification etc. Just as one would not accept a recorded birthtime, there is no reason NOT TO QUESTION a HH:MM:SS birthtime, even if it is coming from a Great Jyotishi! Even if it is his own birthtime! RR_, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Suresh_jee, I personally, approach rectification rather gingerly since I do not have a direct land-line connection with God like some modern messiahs do! Actually the HH:MM:SS are the easier ones to spot! But there also exist many rectified times showing only HH:MM. How do I know? Because in my private work, I insist on knowing the source of the birthtime etc. Like they say, If you do not ask, you shall never know! It is astounding how callously many individuals quote their birthtime as exact and then realize that they were off by a wide margin! Even the non-rectified ones who suddenly wake up to astrology at age 35+ when things go sour and then ask an aging parent in a land abroad and get told some sort of approximate time as if it was the documented moment! I would much rather accept pointers such as, " Few minutes after the Maulwi sounded the Azzan " or " The sun was just rising " , or the " Clock tower rang its bell within minutes of the birth etc. OI VAY!! Namastay! RR_, , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Dear RR ji, > Namasthe, > > You have putforth an inportant question - rather should I say, a statement, indirectly.    > I had raised this issue on this forum and even advised the members not to provide rectified TOB. Since you raised this issue again, and having much experience in the field, TOB correction depends on many factors and need not be compatable with systems of analysis other than with which it was done. > > Hence, TOB corrected with one system / astrologer need not be good for others. > > So it is my contention that natives should only provide the recorded TOB's. Let the astrologer correct it as per his system of choise / understanding and provide his reading.   > > Personaly, I don't think it is as simple as simple as adding 2+2=4, as some schools think it to be. Otherwise the number sages / acharyas could have included a simple two line verse in their whole works which contain hundreds of them, far more complex. > > While it is very good to study the various methods of correction, they are rarely applied in real life. It is my experience, that 90% percent of the consultations may not require such corrections. It depends on the various situations like planets in rasi sandhi / navamsa sandhi and how deep & accurate one is supposed to study the chart and is required to.   > > off late Internet community has been caughtup with an an obscession to correct TOB, perhaps perptrated by a few who claim to be dead accurate.  > > //The commonest tell-tale sign of a 'rectified' birthtime is when it is provided as HH:MM:SS! // > > Sure. the above format is tell-tale sign and I become suspicious of it. But the person who puts such query also has a responcibility to know atleast some basics. Why should we spend time again & again for finding the truth?  >  > Others may have a different opinion - quite natural. > regardsA.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ________________________________ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > > Wed, December 2, 2009 5:56:43 AM > Birthtimes ...! > >  > Jyotish (and Astrology in general) is a very interesting pursuit indeed! > > It is wonderful to see so many avid and ardent & Knowledgeable individuals from the different schools and faith-systems in astrology that participate and come forth with so many interesting discussions and so on: through readings, expositions, case-studies and more. > > We talk about marriages, love affairs, diseases, education, demises, births, and we utilize symbolism as given to us by Rishis (with some of the beautiful signals getting a bit noisier over the passage of thousands of years, understandably! ), BUT ALL OF THESE are tied to ONE and ONLY ONE KING-PIN = E-P-O-C-H! > > The MOMENT of birth, the moment of Prashna and so on ... > > Birthtimes have often been the subject of doubt, questioning and so on. > > Over the years of reading them, I have observed/understood that many jyotishis habitually rectify the birthtime before proceeding. I am curious to know how common is this practice amongst the practitioners here? > > The commonest tell-tale sign of a 'rectified' birthtime is when it is provided as HH:MM:SS! Particularly birthtimes recorded in earlier years when liberated and overzealous 'Dads' were not allowed into the birthing chambers (Home or Hospital! The pre-YUPPY births!!). > > It is a good idea to question any HH:MM:SS birthtime as to the source, type of rectification etc. > > Just as one would not accept a recorded birthtime, there is no reason NOT TO QUESTION a HH:MM:SS birthtime, even if it is coming from a Great Jyotishi! Even if it is his own birthtime! > > RR_, > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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