Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

December 9, 2009

Hi,

I am Bharat and working as a software professional in bangalore.

My date of Birth is 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM Hissar(Harayana)

If my Lagan chart is prepared using the date mentioned above it comes as

shown below:

Lagna Chart acc. to [ 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM ] Hissar(Harayana)

Ist House - No.5 -- ven

2nd House - No.6 -- sun, mer, sat

3rd House - No.7 -- jup

4th House - No.8 -- mar, moon

5th House - No.9 -- ketu

6th House - No.10 -- ---

7th House - No.11 -- ---

8th House - No.12 -- ---

9th House - No.1 -- ---

10th House - No.2 -- ---

11th House - No.3 -- rah

12th House - No.4 -- ---

According to our pandit jee for the above given date of birth there

was some Zero degree change occured which we need to consider.

He said computer can not make accurate kundli as it don't consider the

above fact.

According to him computer will give the below chart if the time is

changed to 06:18 Am

and my date of birth will become then 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM

Hissar(Harayana)

My Lagna Chart acc to [ 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) as

follows:

Ist House - No.6 -- Sun, Mer, Sat

2nd House - No.7 -- Jup

3rd House - No.8 -- Mar, Mon

4th House - No.9 -- Ket

5th House - No.10 -- ---

6th House - No.11 -- ---

7th House - No.12 -- ---

8th House - No.1 -- ---

9th House - No.2 -- ---

10th House - No.3 -- Rah

11th House - No.4 -- ---

12th House - No.5 -- Ven

Please guide me which lagan chart should i consider.

Thanks and Regards,

Bharat

December 10, 2009

Dear Bharat & list,

You should contact some good jyotish in your area to satisfy your queries.

Donot use this forum to raise personal questions.

Regards

Sudhir

--

-

bharat

Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:44 AM

Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Hi,

I am Bharat and working as a software professional in bangalore.

My date of Birth is 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM Hissar(Harayana)

If my Lagan chart is prepared using the date mentioned above it comes as

shown below:

Lagna Chart acc. to [ 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM ] Hissar(Harayana)

Ist House - No.5 -- ven

2nd House - No.6 -- sun, mer, sat

3rd House - No.7 -- jup

4th House - No.8 -- mar, moon

5th House - No.9 -- ketu

6th House - No.10 -- ---

7th House - No.11 -- ---

8th House - No.12 -- ---

9th House - No.1 -- ---

10th House - No.2 -- ---

11th House - No.3 -- rah

12th House - No.4 -- ---

According to our pandit jee for the above given date of birth there

was some Zero degree change occured which we need to consider.

He said computer can not make accurate kundli as it don't consider the

above fact.

According to him computer will give the below chart if the time is

changed to 06:18 Am

and my date of birth will become then 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM

Hissar(Harayana)

My Lagna Chart acc to [ 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) as

follows:

Ist House - No.6 -- Sun, Mer, Sat

2nd House - No.7 -- Jup

3rd House - No.8 -- Mar, Mon

4th House - No.9 -- Ket

5th House - No.10 -- ---

6th House - No.11 -- ---

7th House - No.12 -- ---

8th House - No.1 -- ---

9th House - No.2 -- ---

10th House - No.3 -- Rah

11th House - No.4 -- ---

12th House - No.5 -- Ven

Please guide me which lagan chart should i consider.

Thanks and Regards,

Bharat

December 10, 2009

Excellent advice to all of them, Sudhir JEE! The problem is: How do they find

one, locally or elsewhere?

Rohiniranjan

, " Sudhir " <taurus.sudhir wrote:

>

> Dear Bharat & list,

>

> You should contact some good jyotish in your area to satisfy your queries.

> Donot use this forum to raise personal questions.

>

> Regards

> Sudhir

>

--

>

> -

> bharat

>

> Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:44 AM

> Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

>

> Hi,

>

> I am Bharat and working as a software professional in bangalore.

>

> My date of Birth is 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM Hissar(Harayana)

>

> If my Lagan chart is prepared using the date mentioned above it comes as

> shown below:

>

> Lagna Chart acc. to [ 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM ] Hissar(Harayana)

>

> Ist House - No.5 -- ven

> 2nd House - No.6 -- sun, mer, sat

> 3rd House - No.7 -- jup

> 4th House - No.8 -- mar, moon

> 5th House - No.9 -- ketu

> 6th House - No.10 -- ---

> 7th House - No.11 -- ---

> 8th House - No.12 -- ---

> 9th House - No.1 -- ---

> 10th House - No.2 -- ---

> 11th House - No.3 -- rah

> 12th House - No.4 -- ---

>

> According to our pandit jee for the above given date of birth there

> was some Zero degree change occured which we need to consider.

>

> He said computer can not make accurate kundli as it don't consider the

> above fact.

> According to him computer will give the below chart if the time is

> changed to 06:18 Am

> and my date of birth will become then 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM

> Hissar(Harayana)

>

> My Lagna Chart acc to [ 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) as

> follows:

>

> Ist House - No.6 -- Sun, Mer, Sat

> 2nd House - No.7 -- Jup

> 3rd House - No.8 -- Mar, Mon

> 4th House - No.9 -- Ket

> 5th House - No.10 -- ---

> 6th House - No.11 -- ---

> 7th House - No.12 -- ---

> 8th House - No.1 -- ---

> 9th House - No.2 -- ---

> 10th House - No.3 -- Rah

> 11th House - No.4 -- ---

> 12th House - No.5 -- Ven

>

> Please guide me which lagan chart should i consider.

>

> Thanks and Regards,

> Bharat

>

December 10, 2009

Dear Shri Rohini Ji and Members,

,The suggestion of Dada in spired me to add fw concerns in my mind.

Good Jyotish,Bad jyotishÂ or one from locality,next door or else where are for

the needful to think and determine.At least the JR has no concern.where v can

contribute we should not.where v find byond scope better to keep quiet and leave

to the wisdom of the people in need.V have no role to judge.

I do not know whether i can be a " local " astrologer.Good that v leave such

matter to allow/encourage such ideas.Still my mind haunts whether Iam a global

astrologer or local astrologer or a claim a JR astrologer

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Â

--- On Wed, 12/9/09, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 9:35 PM

Â

Excellent advice to all of them, Sudhir JEE! The problem is: How do they find

one, locally or elsewhere?

Rohiniranjan

, " Sudhir " <taurus.sudhir@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Bharat & list,

>

> You should contact some good jyotish in your area to satisfy your queries.

> Donot use this forum to raise personal questions.

>

> Regards

> Sudhir

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

>

> -

> bharat

>

> Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:44 AM

> Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

>

> Hi,

>

> I am Bharat and working as a software professional in bangalore.

>

> My date of Birth is 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM Hissar(Harayana)

>

> If my Lagan chart is prepared using the date mentioned above it comes as

> shown below:

>

> Lagna Chart acc. to [ 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM ] Hissar(Harayana)

>

> Ist House - No.5 -- ven

> 2nd House - No.6 -- sun, mer, sat

> 3rd House - No.7 -- jup

> 4th House - No.8 -- mar, moon

> 5th House - No.9 -- ketu

> 6th House - No.10 -- ---

> 7th House - No.11 -- ---

> 8th House - No.12 -- ---

> 9th House - No.1 -- ---

> 10th House - No.2 -- ---

> 11th House - No.3 -- rah

> 12th House - No.4 -- ---

>

> According to our pandit jee for the above given date of birth there

> was some Zero degree change occured which we need to consider.

>

> He said computer can not make accurate kundli as it don't consider the

> above fact.

> According to him computer will give the below chart if the time is

> changed to 06:18 Am

> and my date of birth will become then 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM

> Hissar(Harayana)

>

> My Lagna Chart acc to [ 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) as

> follows:

>

> Ist House - No.6 -- Sun, Mer, Sat

> 2nd House - No.7 -- Jup

> 3rd House - No.8 -- Mar, Mon

> 4th House - No.9 -- Ket

> 5th House - No.10 -- ---

> 6th House - No.11 -- ---

> 7th House - No.12 -- ---

> 8th House - No.1 -- ---

> 9th House - No.2 -- ---

> 10th House - No.3 -- Rah

> 11th House - No.4 -- ---

> 12th House - No.5 -- Ven

>

> Please guide me which lagan chart should i consider.

>

> Thanks and Regards,

> Bharat

>

December 10, 2009

Dear Bharat,

This is weirdest case I have come across about tob correction and

allegations against computerised horoscopes by local astrologers.

what zero degree chane is he talking about?

If your recorded time 5:45AM make the chart for that time only. Let him believe

whatever he wants.

Your time will not chage to 6:18AM.

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

________________________________

bharat <bharat_9m

Thu, December 10, 2009 12:44:59 AM

Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Hi,

I am Bharat and working as a software professional in bangalore.

My date of Birth is 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM Hissar(Harayana)

If my Lagan chart is prepared using the date mentioned above it comes as

shown below:

Lagna Chart acc. to [ 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM ] Hissar(Harayana)

Ist House - No.5 -- ven

2nd House - No.6 -- sun, mer, sat

3rd House - No.7 -- jup

4th House - No.8 -- mar, moon

5th House - No.9 -- ketu

6th House - No.10 -- ---

7th House - No.11 -- ---

8th House - No.12 -- ---

9th House - No.1 -- ---

10th House - No.2 -- ---

11th House - No.3 -- rah

12th House - No.4 -- ---

According to our pandit jee for the above given date of birth there

was some Zero degree change occured which we need to consider.

He said computer can not make accurate kundli as it don't consider the

above fact.

According to him computer will give the below chart if the time is

changed to 06:18 Am

and my date of birth will become then 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM

Hissar(Harayana)

My Lagna Chart acc to [ 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) as

follows:

Ist House - No.6 -- Sun, Mer, Sat

2nd House - No.7 -- Jup

3rd House - No.8 -- Mar, Mon

4th House - No.9 -- Ket

5th House - No.10 -- ---

6th House - No.11 -- ---

7th House - No.12 -- ---

8th House - No.1 -- ---

9th House - No.2 -- ---

10th House - No.3 -- Rah

11th House - No.4 -- ---

12th House - No.5 -- Ven

Please guide me which lagan chart should i consider.

Thanks and Regards,

Bharat

December 10, 2009

Dear Mr Bharat,

Probably you are trying to find logic of your pandit jee by bringing the issues

into JR and seeking views.This iswhat gets clarified from your message

: " According to our pandit jee for the above given date of birth there

was some Zero degree change occured which we need to consider.

_computer can not make accurate kundli as it don't consider the

above fact.

_and my date of birth will become then 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM

Hissar(Harayana)

As a soft ware professional you are very sure that computer generates based on

the coordinates given by you.Mean Pandit or you or myself for that matter

2.The question valid is whether you will change the timing of the birth based on

the views of Pandit Jee.

In your place if were to be there I will not.What Pandit Ji knows he has

mentioned he has opined.

Based on accurate time given in records I will work out lagan chart with waht

ever system I follow.There is some universally agreed upon and worked out

procedures in Vedic AStrology to work out for lagan chart.we need to follow

this.

3.You just try to understand the concept of Pandit Jee and find out whether his

analysis will be more akin to the chart as worked out by him or the chart with

out any change of time.Assess the changes happening in the position of Su and

degrees.It is Surya lagna Chart.

work out Moon lagna or Rasi Chart .whart are the degrees.what is the dasa that

happens based on theat nakshtra and how does it change to some other nakshtra or

dasa .Is this correct or the earlier.

You need a thorough analysis b4 agree or dent to the saying of Pandit.

4.V in the group go by the timing as per records and confirmes.But not

controversial issues.

For any reason,the timing as per record is doubtful and vague there are

procedures to find out accuarate time of birth as per vedic Astrology.

5.It is your confidence on the data that should give confidence to the chart

produced through the software.You ahve also not mentioned or commented on the

type of software used by Pandit Jee.

6.For all my analysis I use ParasaraLiteÂ or J.Hora or Jyotish Vidya.These

softwares give me total satisfaction to base my analysis

7.I vaguely remeber the problem being created by you which has come up as a

discussion when analysed chart of a woman in her 40s some time in 1986 when one

of my colleague Prof Rao from IIT,Kanpur brought to me.He brought the Chart as

made by Shri Muthu Swamy from Madras and shown to me.

8.In the first instnce when I saw the chart of Mrs Rao it occured to me she was

suffering from cervical cancer(at that time initial stages).I told him to be

cautious and he asked me basis of the analysis,I explained to him.Then he

referred to his traditional AStrologer Shri Swamy and obtained views.This view

was not the same as opined by me.

9.Prof Rao took over charge as Director of RRlabs after 4 years,the woman dies

of cervical cancer b4 her attaining a meaningful age (below 52 yrs)

Such kind issues arise if we are not sure of ourselves or of the data or of the

computer.Finally you yourself can understand more about software as a media to

tabulalte and give out put

Shri SureshshanbaughÂ ji is forth right correct in saying that the time cannot

be changed as 6.18

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Â

--- On Thu, 12/10/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote:

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag

Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Thursday, December 10, 2009, 1:19 AM

Â

Dear Bharat,

This is weirdest case I have come across about tob correction and

allegationsÂ against computerised horoscopes by local astrologers.

what zero degree chane is he talking about?

If your recorded time 5:45AM make the chart for that time only. Let him believe

whatever he wants.

According to our pandit jee for the above given date of birth there

was some Zero degree change occured which we need to consider.

He said computer can not make accurate kundli as it don't consider the

above fact.

According to him computer will give the below chart if the time is

changed to 06:18 Am

and my date of birth will become then 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM

Hissar(Harayana)

Â A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

____________ _________ _________ __

bharat <bharat_9m (AT) (DOT) co.in>

Thu, December 10, 2009 12:44:59 AM

Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Â

Hi,

I am Bharat and working as a software professional in bangalore.

My date of Birth is 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM Hissar(Harayana)

If my Lagan chart is prepared using the date mentioned above it comes as

shown below:

Lagna Chart acc. to [ 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM ] Hissar(Harayana)

Ist House - No.5 -- ven

2nd House - No.6 -- sun, mer, sat

3rd House - No.7 -- jup

4th House - No.8 -- mar, moon

5th House - No.9 -- ketu

6th House - No.10 -- ---

7th House - No.11 -- ---

8th House - No.12 -- ---

9th House - No.1 -- ---

10th House - No.2 -- ---

11th House - No.3 -- rah

12th House - No.4 -- ---

According to our pandit jee for the above given date of birth there

was some Zero degree change occured which we need to consider.

He said computer can not make accurate kundli as it don't consider the

above fact.

According to him computer will give the below chart if the time is

changed to 06:18 Am

and my date of birth will become then 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM

Hissar(Harayana)

My Lagna Chart acc to [ 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) as

follows:

Ist House - No.6 -- Sun, Mer, Sat

2nd House - No.7 -- Jup

3rd House - No.8 -- Mar, Mon

4th House - No.9 -- Ket

5th House - No.10 -- ---

6th House - No.11 -- ---

7th House - No.12 -- ---

8th House - No.1 -- ---

9th House - No.2 -- ---

10th House - No.3 -- Rah

11th House - No.4 -- ---

12th House - No.5 -- Ven

Please guide me which lagan chart should i consider.

Thanks and Regards,

Bharat

December 10, 2009

Dear Suresh ji,, Krishna ji,

true we cant find such comments based one a particular fancy or leaning and with

no mention if the sw is a standad product I've seen some s/w give errors on slow

moving grahas sani, Kuja even JHora has some diff with respect to Parashara

Light, Visual jyotish and what we r using with ICAS, IAS and my team have worked

with

IAS was 1st started by K ashwattappa Indian astrological studies, is still

functioning in chennai and later its members were part of the INITIAL team of

ICAS co-founded by B V RAMAN ji iad joined it just at that time

i did my classical works training under ashwatappa and c a padnabham in IAS

only.

B5 ICAS came up with its sylabus.

on the s/w I have read sri KN RAO ji saw for Indian bron use s/w developed in

India and for American ones sue the american developed ones this is max I can

understand, may be as more of local cordinates database is available in

respective developed countries for good calculations, else can't find logic here

too

but PL has over 15 laks places all over the world and uses a good atlas.

PRASHANT

I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non

Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth

data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in

the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside

the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group

for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

/database?method=reportRows & tbl=6

________________________________

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag

Thu, December 10, 2009 11:49:25 AM

Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Dear Bharat,

This is weirdest case I have come across about tob correction and allegations

against computerised horoscopes by local astrologers.

what zero degree chane is he talking about?

If your recorded time 5:45AM make the chart for that time only. Let him believe

whatever he wants.

Your time will not chage to 6:18AM.

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

____________ _________ _________ __

bharat <bharat_9m (AT) (DOT) co.in>

Thu, December 10, 2009 12:44:59 AM

Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Hi,

I am Bharat and working as a software professional in bangalore.

My date of Birth is 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM Hissar(Harayana)

If my Lagan chart is prepared using the date mentioned above it comes as

shown below:

Lagna Chart acc. to [ 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM ] Hissar(Harayana)

Ist House - No.5 -- ven

2nd House - No.6 -- sun, mer, sat

3rd House - No.7 -- jup

4th House - No.8 -- mar, moon

5th House - No.9 -- ketu

6th House - No.10 -- ---

7th House - No.11 -- ---

8th House - No.12 -- ---

9th House - No.1 -- ---

10th House - No.2 -- ---

11th House - No.3 -- rah

12th House - No.4 -- ---

According to our pandit jee for the above given date of birth there

was some Zero degree change occured which we need to consider.

He said computer can not make accurate kundli as it don't consider the

above fact.

According to him computer will give the below chart if the time is

changed to 06:18 Am

and my date of birth will become then 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM

Hissar(Harayana)

My Lagna Chart acc to [ 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) as

follows:

Ist House - No.6 -- Sun, Mer, Sat

2nd House - No.7 -- Jup

3rd House - No.8 -- Mar, Mon

4th House - No.9 -- Ket

5th House - No.10 -- ---

6th House - No.11 -- ---

7th House - No.12 -- ---

8th House - No.1 -- ---

9th House - No.2 -- ---

10th House - No.3 -- Rah

11th House - No.4 -- ---

12th House - No.5 -- Ven

Please guide me which lagan chart should i consider.

Thanks and Regards,

Bharat

December 10, 2009

Dear Prashant ji,

Here the question is regarding the correct TOB and " Zero crossing over " and

HENCE the TOB should be 6:18 instead of 5:45AM. a difference of 33mnts.

What is this zero crossing over? Is it planets at the edge of signs?

I have given below the planetory positions for both the times as per lahiri &

raman ayanamsa.

As per Lahiri it is impossible for the planet positions to have changed as he

had stated within 33 mnts except that of lagna.

However as per Raman Ayanamsa, Saturn has crossed to Thula sign but not on that

day.

The point is even if the planets has crossed to other sign, assuming that

software is wrong, how does it alter the TOB?.

Lahiri Ayanamsa.

5:45AM

PLANET-Â LONG-Â RASI LONG-RASI

Asc--Â 149.21-Â 29.21-Â Simh

Sun--Â 157.01-Â 7.01--Â Kanya

Merc-Â 172.43-Â 22.43-Â Kanya

Ven--Â 146.22-Â 26.22-Â Simh

Mar--Â 219.07-Â 9.07--Â Vrischik

Jup--Â 196.36-Â 16.36-Â Thula

Sat--Â 178.35-Â 28.35-Â Kanya

Moo--Â 234.22-Â 24.22-Â Vrischik

Rah--Â 75.29--Â 15.29-Â Mithun

Ket--Â 255.29-Â 15.29-Â Dhanu

Gul--Â 115.16-Â 25.16-Â Karkat

6:18AM

Asc--Â 156.37-Â 6.37--Â Kanya

Sun--Â 157.03-Â 7.03--Â Kanya

Merc-Â 172.43-Â 22.43-Â Kanya

Ven--Â 146.24-Â 26.24-Â Simh

Mar--Â 219.08-Â 9.08--Â Vrischik

Jup--Â 196.36-Â 16.36-Â Thula

Sat--Â 178.36-Â 28.36-Â Kanya

Moo--Â 234.39-Â 24.39-Â Vrischik

Rah--Â 75.29--Â 15.29-Â Mithun

Ket--Â 255.29-Â 15.29-Â Dhanu

Gul--Â 115.16-Â 25.16-Â Karkat

Raman Ayanama

5:45AM

Asc--Â 150.48-Â 0.48--Â Kanya

Sun--Â 158.28- 8.28--Â Kanya

Merc-Â 174.1--Â 24.1--Â Kanya

Ven--Â 147.49-Â 27.49-Â Simh

Mar--Â 220.34-Â 10.34-Â Vrischik

Jup--Â 198.02-Â 18.02-Â Thula

Sat--Â 180.02-Â 0.02--Â Thula

Moo--Â 235.49-Â 25.49-Â Vrischik

Rah--Â 76.55--Â 16.55-Â Mithun

Ket--Â 256.55-Â 16.55-Â Dhanu

Gul--Â 118.02-Â 28.02-Â Karkat

6:18AM

Asc--Â 158.04-Â 8.04--Â Kanya

Sun--Â 158.29-Â 8.29--Â Kanya

Merc-Â 174.1--Â 24.1--Â Kanya

Ven--Â 147.5--Â 27.5--Â Simh

Mar--Â 220.35-Â 10.35-Â Vrischik

Jup--Â 198.03-Â 18.03-Â Thula

Sat--Â 180.02-Â 0.02--Â Thula

Moo--Â 236.05-Â 26.05-Â Vrischik

Rah--Â 76.55--Â 16.55-Â Mithun

Ket--Â 256.55-Â 16.55-Â Dhanu

Gul--Â 118.02-Â 28.02-Â Karkat

Â A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

________________________________

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

Thu, December 10, 2009 1:41:22 PM

Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Â

Dear Suresh ji,, Krishna ji,

true we cant find such comments based one a particular fancy or leaning and with

no mention if the sw is a standad product I've seen some s/w give errors on slow

moving grahas sani, Kuja even JHora has some diff with respect to Parashara

Light, Visual jyotish and what we r using with ICAS, IAS and my team have worked

with

IAS was 1st started by K ashwattappa Indian astrological studies, is still

functioning in chennai and later its members were part of the INITIAL team of

ICAS co-founded by B V RAMAN ji iad joined it just at that time

i did my classical works training under ashwatappa and c a padnabham in IAS

only.

B5 ICAS came up with its sylabus.

on the s/w I have read sri KN RAO ji saw for Indian bron use s/w developed in

India and for American ones sue the american developed ones this is max I can

understand, may be as more of local cordinates database is available in

respective developed countries for good calculations, else can't find logic here

too

but PL has over 15 laks places all over the world and uses a good atlas.

PRASHANT

I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non

Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth

data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in

the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside

the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group

for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow

s & tbl=6

____________ _________ _________ __

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

Thu, December 10, 2009 11:49:25 AM

Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Dear Bharat,

This is weirdest case I have come across about tob correction and allegations

against computerised horoscopes by local astrologers.

what zero degree chane is he talking about?

If your recorded time 5:45AM make the chart for that time only. Let him believe

whatever he wants.

Your time will not chage to 6:18AM.

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

____________ _________ _________ __

bharat <bharat_9m (AT) (DOT) co.in>

Thu, December 10, 2009 12:44:59 AM

Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Hi,

I am Bharat and working as a software professional in bangalore.

My date of Birth is 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM Hissar(Harayana)

If my Lagan chart is prepared using the date mentioned above it comes as

shown below:

Lagna Chart acc. to [ 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM ] Hissar(Harayana)

Ist House - No.5 -- ven

2nd House - No.6 -- sun, mer, sat

3rd House - No.7 -- jup

4th House - No.8 -- mar, moon

5th House - No.9 -- ketu

6th House - No.10 -- ---

7th House - No.11 -- ---

8th House - No.12 -- ---

9th House - No.1 -- ---

10th House - No.2 -- ---

11th House - No.3 -- rah

12th House - No.4 -- ---

According to our pandit jee for the above given date of birth there

was some Zero degree change occured which we need to consider.

He said computer can not make accurate kundli as it don't consider the

above fact.

According to him computer will give the below chart if the time is

changed to 06:18 Am

and my date of birth will become then 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM

Hissar(Harayana)

My Lagna Chart acc to [ 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) as

follows:

Ist House - No.6 -- Sun, Mer, Sat

2nd House - No.7 -- Jup

3rd House - No.8 -- Mar, Mon

4th House - No.9 -- Ket

5th House - No.10 -- ---

6th House - No.11 -- ---

7th House - No.12 -- ---

8th House - No.1 -- ---

9th House - No.2 -- ---

10th House - No.3 -- Rah

11th House - No.4 -- ---

12th House - No.5 -- Ven

Please guide me which lagan chart should i consider.

Thanks and Regards,

Bharat

December 10, 2009

If the soft ware person( as one asking) can not explain,Pandit ji who change

timing can never be able to explain.

we r beating the bush

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Â

--- On Thu, 12/10/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote:

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag

Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Thursday, December 10, 2009, 4:16 AM

Â

Dear Prashant ji,

Here the question is regarding the correct TOB and " Zero crossing over " and

HENCE the TOB should be 6:18 instead of 5:45AM. a difference of 33mnts.

What is this zero crossing over? Is it planets at the edge of signs?

I have given below the planetory positions for both the times as per lahiri &

raman ayanamsa.

As per Lahiri it is impossible for the planet positions to have changed as he

had stated within 33 mnts except that of lagna.

However as per Raman Ayanamsa, Saturn has crossed to Thula sign but not on that

day.

The point is even if the planets has crossed to other sign, assuming that

software is wrong, how does it alter the TOB?.

Lahiri Ayanamsa.

5:45AM

PLANET-Â LONG-Â RASI LONG-RASI

Asc--Â 149.21-Â 29.21-Â Simh

Sun--Â 157.01-Â 7.01--Â Kanya

Merc-Â 172.43-Â 22.43-Â Kanya

Ven--Â 146.22-Â 26.22-Â Simh

Mar--Â 219.07-Â 9.07--Â Vrischik

Jup--Â 196.36-Â 16.36-Â Thula

Sat--Â 178.35-Â 28.35-Â Kanya

Moo--Â 234.22-Â 24.22-Â Vrischik

Rah--Â 75.29--Â 15.29-Â Mithun

Ket--Â 255.29-Â 15.29-Â Dhanu

Gul--Â 115.16-Â 25.16-Â Karkat

6:18AM

Asc--Â 156.37-Â 6.37--Â Kanya

Sun--Â 157.03-Â 7.03--Â Kanya

Merc-Â 172.43-Â 22.43-Â Kanya

Ven--Â 146.24-Â 26.24-Â Simh

Mar--Â 219.08-Â 9.08--Â Vrischik

Jup--Â 196.36-Â 16.36-Â Thula

Sat--Â 178.36-Â 28.36-Â Kanya

Moo--Â 234.39-Â 24.39-Â Vrischik

Rah--Â 75.29--Â 15.29-Â Mithun

Ket--Â 255.29-Â 15.29-Â Dhanu

Gul--Â 115.16-Â 25.16-Â Karkat

Raman Ayanama

5:45AM

Asc--Â 150.48-Â 0.48--Â Kanya

Sun--Â 158.28- 8.28--Â Kanya

Merc-Â 174.1--Â 24.1--Â Kanya

Ven--Â 147.49-Â 27.49-Â Simh

Mar--Â 220.34-Â 10.34-Â Vrischik

Jup--Â 198.02-Â 18.02-Â Thula

Sat--Â 180.02-Â 0.02--Â Thula

Moo--Â 235.49-Â 25.49-Â Vrischik

Rah--Â 76.55--Â 16.55-Â Mithun

Ket--Â 256.55-Â 16.55-Â Dhanu

Gul--Â 118.02-Â 28.02-Â Karkat

6:18AM

Asc--Â 158.04-Â 8.04--Â Kanya

Sun--Â 158.29-Â 8.29--Â Kanya

Merc-Â 174.1--Â 24.1--Â Kanya

Ven--Â 147.5--Â 27.5--Â Simh

Mar--Â 220.35-Â 10.35-Â Vrischik

Jup--Â 198.03-Â 18.03-Â Thula

Sat--Â 180.02-Â 0.02--Â Thula

Moo--Â 236.05-Â 26.05-Â Vrischik

Rah--Â 76.55--Â 16.55-Â Mithun

Ket--Â 256.55-Â 16.55-Â Dhanu

Gul--Â 118.02-Â 28.02-Â Karkat

Â A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

____________ _________ _________ __

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

Thu, December 10, 2009 1:41:22 PM

Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Â

Dear Suresh ji,, Krishna ji,

true we cant find such comments based one a particular fancy or leaning and with

no mention if the sw is a standad product I've seen some s/w give errors on slow

moving grahas sani, Kuja even JHora has some diff with respect to Parashara

Light, Visual jyotish and what we r using with ICAS, IAS and my team have worked

with

IAS was 1st started by K ashwattappa Indian astrological studies, is still

functioning in chennai and later its members were part of the INITIAL team of

ICAS co-founded by B V RAMAN ji iad joined it just at that time

i did my classical works training under ashwatappa and c a padnabham in IAS

only.

B5 ICAS came up with its sylabus.

on the s/w I have read sri KN RAO ji saw for Indian bron use s/w developed in

India and for American ones sue the american developed ones this is max I can

understand, may be as more of local cordinates database is available in

respective developed countries for good calculations, else can't find logic here

too

but PL has over 15 laks places all over the world and uses a good atlas.

PRASHANT

I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non

Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth

data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in

the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside

the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group

for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow

s & tbl=6

____________ _________ _________ __

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

Thu, December 10, 2009 11:49:25 AM

Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Dear Bharat,

This is weirdest case I have come across about tob correction and allegations

against computerised horoscopes by local astrologers.

what zero degree chane is he talking about?

If your recorded time 5:45AM make the chart for that time only. Let him believe

whatever he wants.

Your time will not chage to 6:18AM.

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

____________ _________ _________ __

bharat <bharat_9m (AT) (DOT) co.in>

Thu, December 10, 2009 12:44:59 AM

Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Hi,

I am Bharat and working as a software professional in bangalore.

My date of Birth is 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM Hissar(Harayana)

If my Lagan chart is prepared using the date mentioned above it comes as

shown below:

Lagna Chart acc. to [ 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM ] Hissar(Harayana)

Ist House - No.5 -- ven

2nd House - No.6 -- sun, mer, sat

3rd House - No.7 -- jup

4th House - No.8 -- mar, moon

5th House - No.9 -- ketu

6th House - No.10 -- ---

7th House - No.11 -- ---

8th House - No.12 -- ---

9th House - No.1 -- ---

10th House - No.2 -- ---

11th House - No.3 -- rah

12th House - No.4 -- ---

According to our pandit jee for the above given date of birth there

was some Zero degree change occured which we need to consider.

He said computer can not make accurate kundli as it don't consider the

above fact.

According to him computer will give the below chart if the time is

changed to 06:18 Am

and my date of birth will become then 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM

Hissar(Harayana)

My Lagna Chart acc to [ 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) as

follows:

Ist House - No.6 -- Sun, Mer, Sat

2nd House - No.7 -- Jup

3rd House - No.8 -- Mar, Mon

4th House - No.9 -- Ket

5th House - No.10 -- ---

6th House - No.11 -- ---

7th House - No.12 -- ---

8th House - No.1 -- ---

9th House - No.2 -- ---

10th House - No.3 -- Rah

11th House - No.4 -- ---

12th House - No.5 -- Ven

Please guide me which lagan chart should i consider.

Thanks and Regards,

Bharat

December 10, 2009

Dear Krishna ji,

Just because someone is working as software professional need not mean that he

should know anything about the intricacies of Astrology or its computations.

Computation ofÂ planetory positions is not simple mathematics. It is advanced

trignometry coupled with several otherÂ factors, particularly regarding

traditional Indian Astrology. which make it far more complicated. Â

regardsÂ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

________________________________

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99

Thu, December 10, 2009 3:18:17 PM

Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Â

If the soft ware person( as one asking) can not explain,Pandit ji who change

timing can never be able to explain.

we r beating the bush

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Â

--- On Thu, 12/10/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Thursday, December 10, 2009, 4:16 AM

Â

Dear Prashant ji,

Here the question is regarding the correct TOB and " Zero crossing over " and

HENCE the TOB should be 6:18 instead of 5:45AM. a difference of 33mnts.

What is this zero crossing over? Is it planets at the edge of signs?

I have given below the planetory positions for both the times as per lahiri &

raman ayanamsa.

As per Lahiri it is impossible for the planet positions to have changed as he

had stated within 33 mnts except that of lagna.

However as per Raman Ayanamsa, Saturn has crossed to Thula sign but not on that

day.

The point is even if the planets has crossed to other sign, assuming that

software is wrong, how does it alter the TOB?.

Lahiri Ayanamsa.

5:45AM

PLANET-Â LONG-Â RASI LONG-RASI

Asc--Â 149.21-Â 29.21-Â Simh

Sun--Â 157.01-Â 7.01--Â Kanya

Merc-Â 172.43-Â 22.43-Â Kanya

Ven--Â 146.22-Â 26.22-Â Simh

Mar--Â 219.07-Â 9.07--Â Vrischik

Jup--Â 196.36-Â 16.36-Â Thula

Sat--Â 178.35-Â 28.35-Â Kanya

Moo--Â 234.22-Â 24.22-Â Vrischik

Rah--Â 75.29--Â 15.29-Â Mithun

Ket--Â 255.29-Â 15.29-Â Dhanu

Gul--Â 115.16-Â 25.16-Â Karkat

6:18AM

Asc--Â 156.37-Â 6.37--Â Kanya

Sun--Â 157.03-Â 7.03--Â Kanya

Merc-Â 172.43-Â 22.43-Â Kanya

Ven--Â 146.24-Â 26.24-Â Simh

Mar--Â 219.08-Â 9.08--Â Vrischik

Jup--Â 196.36-Â 16.36-Â Thula

Sat--Â 178.36-Â 28.36-Â Kanya

Moo--Â 234.39-Â 24.39-Â Vrischik

Rah--Â 75.29--Â 15.29-Â Mithun

Ket--Â 255.29-Â 15.29-Â Dhanu

Gul--Â 115.16-Â 25.16-Â Karkat

Raman Ayanama

5:45AM

Asc--Â 150.48-Â 0.48--Â Kanya

Sun--Â 158.28- 8.28--Â Kanya

Merc-Â 174.1--Â 24.1--Â Kanya

Ven--Â 147.49-Â 27.49-Â Simh

Mar--Â 220.34-Â 10.34-Â Vrischik

Jup--Â 198.02-Â 18.02-Â Thula

Sat--Â 180.02-Â 0.02--Â Thula

Moo--Â 235.49-Â 25.49-Â Vrischik

Rah--Â 76.55--Â 16.55-Â Mithun

Ket--Â 256.55-Â 16.55-Â Dhanu

Gul--Â 118.02-Â 28.02-Â Karkat

6:18AM

Asc--Â 158.04-Â 8.04--Â Kanya

Sun--Â 158.29-Â 8.29--Â Kanya

Merc-Â 174.1--Â 24.1--Â Kanya

Ven--Â 147.5--Â 27.5--Â Simh

Mar--Â 220.35-Â 10.35-Â Vrischik

Jup--Â 198.03-Â 18.03-Â Thula

Sat--Â 180.02-Â 0.02--Â Thula

Moo--Â 236.05-Â 26.05-Â Vrischik

Rah--Â 76.55--Â 16.55-Â Mithun

Ket--Â 256.55-Â 16.55-Â Dhanu

Gul--Â 118.02-Â 28.02-Â Karkat

Â A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

____________ _________ _________ __

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

Thu, December 10, 2009 1:41:22 PM

Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Â

Dear Suresh ji,, Krishna ji,

true we cant find such comments based one a particular fancy or leaning and with

no mention if the sw is a standad product I've seen some s/w give errors on slow

moving grahas sani, Kuja even JHora has some diff with respect to Parashara

Light, Visual jyotish and what we r using with ICAS, IAS and my team have worked

with

IAS was 1st started by K ashwattappa Indian astrological studies, is still

functioning in chennai and later its members were part of the INITIAL team of

ICAS co-founded by B V RAMAN ji iad joined it just at that time

i did my classical works training under ashwatappa and c a padnabham in IAS

only.

B5 ICAS came up with its sylabus.

on the s/w I have read sri KN RAO ji saw for Indian bron use s/w developed in

India and for American ones sue the american developed ones this is max I can

understand, may be as more of local cordinates database is available in

respective developed countries for good calculations, else can't find logic here

too

but PL has over 15 laks places all over the world and uses a good atlas.

PRASHANT

I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non

Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth

data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in

the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside

the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group

for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow

s & tbl=6

____________ _________ _________ __

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

Thu, December 10, 2009 11:49:25 AM

Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Dear Bharat,

This is weirdest case I have come across about tob correction and allegations

against computerised horoscopes by local astrologers.

what zero degree chane is he talking about?

If your recorded time 5:45AM make the chart for that time only. Let him believe

whatever he wants.

Your time will not chage to 6:18AM.

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

____________ _________ _________ __

bharat <bharat_9m (AT) (DOT) co.in>

Thu, December 10, 2009 12:44:59 AM

Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Hi,

I am Bharat and working as a software professional in bangalore.

My date of Birth is 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM Hissar(Harayana)

If my Lagan chart is prepared using the date mentioned above it comes as

shown below:

Lagna Chart acc. to [ 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM ] Hissar(Harayana)

Ist House - No.5 -- ven

2nd House - No.6 -- sun, mer, sat

3rd House - No.7 -- jup

4th House - No.8 -- mar, moon

5th House - No.9 -- ketu

6th House - No.10 -- ---

7th House - No.11 -- ---

8th House - No.12 -- ---

9th House - No.1 -- ---

10th House - No.2 -- ---

11th House - No.3 -- rah

12th House - No.4 -- ---

According to our pandit jee for the above given date of birth there

was some Zero degree change occured which we need to consider.

He said computer can not make accurate kundli as it don't consider the

above fact.

According to him computer will give the below chart if the time is

changed to 06:18 Am

and my date of birth will become then 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM

Hissar(Harayana)

My Lagna Chart acc to [ 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) as

follows:

Ist House - No.6 -- Sun, Mer, Sat

2nd House - No.7 -- Jup

3rd House - No.8 -- Mar, Mon

4th House - No.9 -- Ket

5th House - No.10 -- ---

6th House - No.11 -- ---

7th House - No.12 -- ---

8th House - No.1 -- ---

9th House - No.2 -- ---

10th House - No.3 -- Rah

11th House - No.4 -- ---

12th House - No.5 -- Ven

Please guide me which lagan chart should i consider.

Thanks and Regards,

Bharat

December 10, 2009

Dear Suresh ji, Krishna ji,

true there r establised rules in both astronomy and trignometry and if one uses

any Engines like swiss ephimiris this saves trouble of re-checking them

in the early days when we were devloping the s/w on a 286 processor later 386

SX, 386 came AND VERY EXPENSIVE AT 1.2 LAKS A pc THE SX wa abetter bet at 64k

AND IT HAD PROBlems in suing FORTRAN 77 so needed a 386 PROCESSOR WE HAD A

SIMULATING S/W to di it and it started showing errors for all planets at tan 168

Deg which is hastha Nakshatra and all grahs in it went for a spin V RANDOMLY

REDOING THE CODE WAS A LABOROUS JOB EEACH TIME AERROR CAME

after the dasa varaga, shadbala levels other S/W from US came in indian s/w wa

v much more expensive

wipro had come with some 48k s/w and FORESIGHT witha 2.5 lak franchise s/w

these did forces us to work our s/w once the US products came in at USD300 it

did beat the local ones who came from 1500 upwards

Muthu swami has been part of the Astrovision s.w that also comes close to 65k

complete kit in one language and more languages r added each yr at 10-15k a

Language

so s/w development isa bug business till Jhora and Mytrayes dream came in free

simpler online versions in hinduastrology.com, indianastrology.com etc did offer

rasi, navamsa, dasas and gen results

this member can do well and try them and check his theory there as all will show

what we r talking off and he will not find his pundis values in them

to change the time by nearly 30 min is ridicilous to call it a error correction

when the s/w itself needs correction

prashant

I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non

Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth

data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in

the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside

the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group

for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

/database?method=reportRows & tbl=6

________________________________

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag

Thu, December 10, 2009 4:10:51 PM

Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Dear Krishna ji,

Just because someone is working as software professional need not mean that he

should know anything about the intricacies of Astrology or its computations.

Computation of planetory positions is not simple mathematics. It is advanced

trignometry coupled with several other factors, particularly regarding

traditional Indian Astrology. which make it far more complicated.

regards A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

____________ _________ _________ __

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

Thu, December 10, 2009 3:18:17 PM

Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

If the soft ware person( as one asking) can not explain,Pandit ji who change

timing can never be able to explain.

we r beating the bush

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

--- On Thu, 12/10/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Thursday, December 10, 2009, 4:16 AM

Dear Prashant ji,

Here the question is regarding the correct TOB and " Zero crossing over " and

HENCE the TOB should be 6:18 instead of 5:45AM. a difference of 33mnts.

What is this zero crossing over? Is it planets at the edge of signs?

I have given below the planetory positions for both the times as per lahiri &

raman ayanamsa.

As per Lahiri it is impossible for the planet positions to have changed as he

had stated within 33 mnts except that of lagna.

However as per Raman Ayanamsa, Saturn has crossed to Thula sign but not on that

day.

The point is even if the planets has crossed to other sign, assuming that

software is wrong, how does it alter the TOB?.

Lahiri Ayanamsa.

5:45AM

PLANET- LONG- RASI LONG-RASI

Asc-- 149.21- 29.21- Simh

Sun-- 157.01- 7.01-- Kanya

Merc- 172.43- 22.43- Kanya

Ven-- 146.22- 26.22- Simh

Mar-- 219.07- 9.07-- Vrischik

Jup-- 196.36- 16.36- Thula

Sat-- 178.35- 28.35- Kanya

Moo-- 234.22- 24.22- Vrischik

Rah-- 75.29-- 15.29- Mithun

Ket-- 255.29- 15.29- Dhanu

Gul-- 115.16- 25.16- Karkat

6:18AM

Asc-- 156.37- 6.37-- Kanya

Sun-- 157.03- 7.03-- Kanya

Merc- 172.43- 22.43- Kanya

Ven-- 146.24- 26.24- Simh

Mar-- 219.08- 9.08-- Vrischik

Jup-- 196.36- 16.36- Thula

Sat-- 178.36- 28.36- Kanya

Moo-- 234.39- 24.39- Vrischik

Rah-- 75.29-- 15.29- Mithun

Ket-- 255.29- 15.29- Dhanu

Gul-- 115.16- 25.16- Karkat

Raman Ayanama

5:45AM

Asc-- 150.48- 0.48-- Kanya

Sun-- 158.28- 8.28-- Kanya

Merc- 174.1-- 24.1-- Kanya

Ven-- 147.49- 27.49- Simh

Mar-- 220.34- 10.34- Vrischik

Jup-- 198.02- 18.02- Thula

Sat-- 180.02- 0.02-- Thula

Moo-- 235.49- 25.49- Vrischik

Rah-- 76.55-- 16.55- Mithun

Ket-- 256.55- 16.55- Dhanu

Gul-- 118.02- 28.02- Karkat

6:18AM

Asc-- 158.04- 8.04-- Kanya

Sun-- 158.29- 8.29-- Kanya

Merc- 174.1-- 24.1-- Kanya

Ven-- 147.5-- 27.5-- Simh

Mar-- 220.35- 10.35- Vrischik

Jup-- 198.03- 18.03- Thula

Sat-- 180.02- 0.02-- Thula

Moo-- 236.05- 26.05- Vrischik

Rah-- 76.55-- 16.55- Mithun

Ket-- 256.55- 16.55- Dhanu

Gul-- 118.02- 28.02- Karkat

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

____________ _________ _________ __

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

Thu, December 10, 2009 1:41:22 PM

Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Dear Suresh ji,, Krishna ji,

true we cant find such comments based one a particular fancy or leaning and with

no mention if the sw is a standad product I've seen some s/w give errors on slow

moving grahas sani, Kuja even JHora has some diff with respect to Parashara

Light, Visual jyotish and what we r using with ICAS, IAS and my team have worked

with

IAS was 1st started by K ashwattappa Indian astrological studies, is still

functioning in chennai and later its members were part of the INITIAL team of

ICAS co-founded by B V RAMAN ji iad joined it just at that time

i did my classical works training under ashwatappa and c a padnabham in IAS

only.

B5 ICAS came up with its sylabus.

on the s/w I have read sri KN RAO ji saw for Indian bron use s/w developed in

India and for American ones sue the american developed ones this is max I can

understand, may be as more of local cordinates database is available in

respective developed countries for good calculations, else can't find logic here

too

but PL has over 15 laks places all over the world and uses a good atlas.

PRASHANT

I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non

Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth

data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in

the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside

the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group

for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow

s & tbl=6

____________ _________ _________ __

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

Thu, December 10, 2009 11:49:25 AM

Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Dear Bharat,

This is weirdest case I have come across about tob correction and allegations

against computerised horoscopes by local astrologers.

what zero degree chane is he talking about?

If your recorded time 5:45AM make the chart for that time only. Let him believe

whatever he wants.

Your time will not chage to 6:18AM.

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

____________ _________ _________ __

bharat <bharat_9m (AT) (DOT) co.in>

Thu, December 10, 2009 12:44:59 AM

Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Hi,

I am Bharat and working as a software professional in bangalore.

My date of Birth is 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM Hissar(Harayana)

If my Lagan chart is prepared using the date mentioned above it comes as

shown below:

Lagna Chart acc. to [ 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM ] Hissar(Harayana)

Ist House - No.5 -- ven

2nd House - No.6 -- sun, mer, sat

3rd House - No.7 -- jup

4th House - No.8 -- mar, moon

5th House - No.9 -- ketu

6th House - No.10 -- ---

7th House - No.11 -- ---

8th House - No.12 -- ---

9th House - No.1 -- ---

10th House - No.2 -- ---

11th House - No.3 -- rah

12th House - No.4 -- ---

According to our pandit jee for the above given date of birth there

was some Zero degree change occured which we need to consider.

He said computer can not make accurate kundli as it don't consider the

above fact.

According to him computer will give the below chart if the time is

changed to 06:18 Am

and my date of birth will become then 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM

Hissar(Harayana)

My Lagna Chart acc to [ 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) as

follows:

Ist House - No.6 -- Sun, Mer, Sat

2nd House - No.7 -- Jup

3rd House - No.8 -- Mar, Mon

4th House - No.9 -- Ket

5th House - No.10 -- ---

6th House - No.11 -- ---

7th House - No.12 -- ---

8th House - No.1 -- ---

9th House - No.2 -- ---

10th House - No.3 -- Rah

11th House - No.4 -- ---

12th House - No.5 -- Ven

Please guide me which lagan chart should i consider.

Thanks and Regards,

Bharat

December 10, 2009

Dear Prashant ji,

I developed Astrology software on a 386 with 10mB hardrive way before jHora came

to light.

I used Turbo c++ for computing planetory positions & clipper for frontend, far

more advanced than the astrovision and much more accurate also. In fact, I was

to write my own code due to inefficiencies of other softwares available then. I

have later ported it to Windows platform andÂ has much needed features for

prediction based in Traditional Astrology.

Â Â

The accuracy of softwareÂ depends on the accuracy of the code used. There could

be errors, but nothingÂ that could not be corrected, if you know what you are

doing. The problem is many, just copy the code somebody had written, which may

contain errors, but would not know how to correct them.

Further,Â Software enables us to display numerous data,Â most of which are

useless for practical astrology. The only help it does is to confuse the

newcommer in the pretence of modernisation of Astrology.

However, none of the above is relevant in this case.

Â Â Â Â Â A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

________________________________

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

Thu, December 10, 2009 4:35:30 PM

Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Â

Dear Suresh ji, Krishna ji,

true there r establised rules in both astronomy and trignometry and if one uses

any Engines like swiss ephimiris this saves trouble of re-checking them

in the early days when we were devloping the s/w on a 286 processor later 386

SX, 386 came AND VERY EXPENSIVE AT 1.2 LAKS A pc THE SX wa abetter bet at 64k

AND IT HAD PROBlems in suing FORTRAN 77 so needed a 386 PROCESSOR WE HAD A

SIMULATING S/W to di it and it started showing errors for all planets at tan 168

Deg which is hastha Nakshatra and all grahs in it went for a spin V RANDOMLY

REDOING THE CODE WAS A LABOROUS JOB EEACH TIME AERROR CAME

after the dasa varaga, shadbala levels other S/W from US came in indian s/w wa v

much more expensive

wipro had come with some 48k s/w and FORESIGHT witha 2.5 lak franchise s/w

these did forces us to work our s/w once the US products came in at USD300 it

did beat the local ones who came from 1500 upwards

Muthu swami has been part of the Astrovision s.w that also comes close to 65k

complete kit in one language and more languages r added each yr at 10-15k a

Language

so s/w development isa bug business till Jhora and Mytrayes dream came in free

simpler online versions in hinduastrology. com, indianastrology. com etc did

offer rasi, navamsa, dasas and gen results

this member can do well and try them and check his theory there as all will show

what we r talking off and he will not find his pundis values in them

to change the time by nearly 30 min is ridicilous to call it a error correction

when the s/w itself needs correction

prashant

I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non

Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth

data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in

the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside

the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group

for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow

s & tbl=6

____________ _________ _________ __

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

Thu, December 10, 2009 4:10:51 PM

Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Dear Krishna ji,

Just because someone is working as software professional need not mean that he

should know anything about the intricacies of Astrology or its computations.

Computation of planetory positions is not simple mathematics. It is advanced

trignometry coupled with several other factors, particularly regarding

traditional Indian Astrology. which make it far more complicated.

regards A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

____________ _________ _________ __

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

Thu, December 10, 2009 3:18:17 PM

Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

If the soft ware person( as one asking) can not explain,Pandit ji who change

timing can never be able to explain.

we r beating the bush

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

--- On Thu, 12/10/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Thursday, December 10, 2009, 4:16 AM

Dear Prashant ji,

Here the question is regarding the correct TOB and " Zero crossing over " and

HENCE the TOB should be 6:18 instead of 5:45AM. a difference of 33mnts.

What is this zero crossing over? Is it planets at the edge of signs?

I have given below the planetory positions for both the times as per lahiri &

raman ayanamsa.

As per Lahiri it is impossible for the planet positions to have changed as he

had stated within 33 mnts except that of lagna.

However as per Raman Ayanamsa, Saturn has crossed to Thula sign but not on that

day.

The point is even if the planets has crossed to other sign, assuming that

software is wrong, how does it alter the TOB?.

Lahiri Ayanamsa.

5:45AM

PLANET- LONG- RASI LONG-RASI

Asc-- 149.21- 29.21- Simh

Sun-- 157.01- 7.01-- Kanya

Merc- 172.43- 22.43- Kanya

Ven-- 146.22- 26.22- Simh

Mar-- 219.07- 9.07-- Vrischik

Jup-- 196.36- 16.36- Thula

Sat-- 178.35- 28.35- Kanya

Moo-- 234.22- 24.22- Vrischik

Rah-- 75.29-- 15.29- Mithun

Ket-- 255.29- 15.29- Dhanu

Gul-- 115.16- 25.16- Karkat

6:18AM

Asc-- 156.37- 6.37-- Kanya

Sun-- 157.03- 7.03-- Kanya

Merc- 172.43- 22.43- Kanya

Ven-- 146.24- 26.24- Simh

Mar-- 219.08- 9.08-- Vrischik

Jup-- 196.36- 16.36- Thula

Sat-- 178.36- 28.36- Kanya

Moo-- 234.39- 24.39- Vrischik

Rah-- 75.29-- 15.29- Mithun

Ket-- 255.29- 15.29- Dhanu

Gul-- 115.16- 25.16- Karkat

Raman Ayanama

5:45AM

Asc-- 150.48- 0.48-- Kanya

Sun-- 158.28- 8.28-- Kanya

Merc- 174.1-- 24.1-- Kanya

Ven-- 147.49- 27.49- Simh

Mar-- 220.34- 10.34- Vrischik

Jup-- 198.02- 18.02- Thula

Sat-- 180.02- 0.02-- Thula

Moo-- 235.49- 25.49- Vrischik

Rah-- 76.55-- 16.55- Mithun

Ket-- 256.55- 16.55- Dhanu

Gul-- 118.02- 28.02- Karkat

6:18AM

Asc-- 158.04- 8.04-- Kanya

Sun-- 158.29- 8.29-- Kanya

Merc- 174.1-- 24.1-- Kanya

Ven-- 147.5-- 27.5-- Simh

Mar-- 220.35- 10.35- Vrischik

Jup-- 198.03- 18.03- Thula

Sat-- 180.02- 0.02-- Thula

Moo-- 236.05- 26.05- Vrischik

Rah-- 76.55-- 16.55- Mithun

Ket-- 256.55- 16.55- Dhanu

Gul-- 118.02- 28.02- Karkat

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

____________ _________ _________ __

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

Thu, December 10, 2009 1:41:22 PM

Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Dear Suresh ji,, Krishna ji,

true we cant find such comments based one a particular fancy or leaning and with

no mention if the sw is a standad product I've seen some s/w give errors on slow

moving grahas sani, Kuja even JHora has some diff with respect to Parashara

Light, Visual jyotish and what we r using with ICAS, IAS and my team have worked

with

IAS was 1st started by K ashwattappa Indian astrological studies, is still

functioning in chennai and later its members were part of the INITIAL team of

ICAS co-founded by B V RAMAN ji iad joined it just at that time

i did my classical works training under ashwatappa and c a padnabham in IAS

only.

B5 ICAS came up with its sylabus.

on the s/w I have read sri KN RAO ji saw for Indian bron use s/w developed in

India and for American ones sue the american developed ones this is max I can

understand, may be as more of local cordinates database is available in

respective developed countries for good calculations, else can't find logic here

too

but PL has over 15 laks places all over the world and uses a good atlas.

PRASHANT

I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non

Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth

data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in

the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside

the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group

for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow

s & tbl=6

____________ _________ _________ __

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

Thu, December 10, 2009 11:49:25 AM

Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Dear Bharat,

This is weirdest case I have come across about tob correction and allegations

against computerised horoscopes by local astrologers.

what zero degree chane is he talking about?

If your recorded time 5:45AM make the chart for that time only. Let him believe

whatever he wants.

Your time will not chage to 6:18AM.

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

____________ _________ _________ __

bharat <bharat_9m (AT) (DOT) co.in>

Thu, December 10, 2009 12:44:59 AM

Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Hi,

I am Bharat and working as a software professional in bangalore.

My date of Birth is 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM Hissar(Harayana)

If my Lagan chart is prepared using the date mentioned above it comes as

shown below:

Lagna Chart acc. to [ 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM ] Hissar(Harayana)

Ist House - No.5 -- ven

2nd House - No.6 -- sun, mer, sat

3rd House - No.7 -- jup

4th House - No.8 -- mar, moon

5th House - No.9 -- ketu

6th House - No.10 -- ---

7th House - No.11 -- ---

8th House - No.12 -- ---

9th House - No.1 -- ---

10th House - No.2 -- ---

11th House - No.3 -- rah

12th House - No.4 -- ---

According to our pandit jee for the above given date of birth there

was some Zero degree change occured which we need to consider.

He said computer can not make accurate kundli as it don't consider the

above fact.

According to him computer will give the below chart if the time is

changed to 06:18 Am

and my date of birth will become then 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM

Hissar(Harayana)

My Lagna Chart acc to [ 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) as

follows:

Ist House - No.6 -- Sun, Mer, Sat

2nd House - No.7 -- Jup

3rd House - No.8 -- Mar, Mon

4th House - No.9 -- Ket

5th House - No.10 -- ---

6th House - No.11 -- ---

7th House - No.12 -- ---

8th House - No.1 -- ---

9th House - No.2 -- ---

10th House - No.3 -- Rah

11th House - No.4 -- ---

12th House - No.5 -- Ven

Please guide me which lagan chart should i consider.

Thanks and Regards,

Bharat

December 10, 2009

Dear Sir,

Often v come across problems in s/w.it is not new.But in this case the logic of

the querent is misleading to me.Atleast software person is better oriented to

know problem than a Pandit Jee.

In Chennai Kaliyur Narayanan used coputerised calculations as early as in

1989.This has bugs with referenece nakshtra padas.we used to take out charts in

199091 very similar westren pattern in Chennai.

Later Jyotish Vidya and PC AStro used to be very popular.I have a friend of mine

who is also member of the Group and in Senior Position in IBM gave me software

of PCAStro2001

THis is very good and gives good calculation of divisional charts.

Shri K.N.Rao uses Parasara Lite since 2001 on wards as he puts data and also

Indexes them for reference purpose.He also adopts prasna .

Foresight of Time Astrological magzine is very expensive and one of our member

in this group even now works with TimesA>M from SDA of hew Delhi.

Now v have good and standardised s/w.More or less they serve our purpose.we need

only tell the person calculations made by pandit ji are not corrct in this case.

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Â

--- On Thu, 12/10/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote:

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Thursday, December 10, 2009, 6:05 AM

Â

Dear Suresh ji, Krishna ji,

true there r establised rules in both astronomy and trignometry and if one uses

any Engines like swiss ephimiris this saves trouble of re-checking them

in the early days when we were devloping the s/w on a 286 processor later 386

SX, 386 came AND VERY EXPENSIVE AT 1.2 LAKS A pc THE SX wa abetter bet at 64k

AND IT HAD PROBlems in suing FORTRAN 77 so needed a 386 PROCESSOR WE HAD A

SIMULATING S/W to di it and it started showing errors for all planets at tan 168

Deg which is hastha Nakshatra and all grahs in it went for a spin V RANDOMLY

REDOING THE CODE WAS A LABOROUS JOB EEACH TIME AERROR CAME

after the dasa varaga, shadbala levels other S/W from US came in indian s/w wa v

much more expensive

wipro had come with some 48k s/w and FORESIGHT witha 2.5 lak franchise s/w

these did forces us to work our s/w once the US products came in at USD300 it

did beat the local ones who came from 1500 upwards

Muthu swami has been part of the Astrovision s.w that also comes close to 65k

complete kit in one language and more languages r added each yr at 10-15k a

Language

so s/w development isa bug business till Jhora and Mytrayes dream came in free

simpler online versions in hinduastrology. com, indianastrology. com etc did

offer rasi, navamsa, dasas and gen results

this member can do well and try them and check his theory there as all will show

what we r talking off and he will not find his pundis values in them

to change the time by nearly 30 min is ridicilous to call it a error correction

when the s/w itself needs correction

prashant

I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non

Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth

data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in

the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside

the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group

for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow

s & tbl=6

____________ _________ _________ __

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

Thu, December 10, 2009 4:10:51 PM

Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Dear Krishna ji,

Just because someone is working as software professional need not mean that he

should know anything about the intricacies of Astrology or its computations.

Computation of planetory positions is not simple mathematics. It is advanced

trignometry coupled with several other factors, particularly regarding

traditional Indian Astrology. which make it far more complicated.

regards A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

____________ _________ _________ __

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

Thu, December 10, 2009 3:18:17 PM

Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

If the soft ware person( as one asking) can not explain,Pandit ji who change

timing can never be able to explain.

we r beating the bush

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

--- On Thu, 12/10/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Thursday, December 10, 2009, 4:16 AM

Dear Prashant ji,

Here the question is regarding the correct TOB and " Zero crossing over " and

HENCE the TOB should be 6:18 instead of 5:45AM. a difference of 33mnts.

What is this zero crossing over? Is it planets at the edge of signs?

I have given below the planetory positions for both the times as per lahiri &

raman ayanamsa.

As per Lahiri it is impossible for the planet positions to have changed as he

had stated within 33 mnts except that of lagna.

However as per Raman Ayanamsa, Saturn has crossed to Thula sign but not on that

day.

The point is even if the planets has crossed to other sign, assuming that

software is wrong, how does it alter the TOB?.

Lahiri Ayanamsa.

5:45AM

PLANET- LONG- RASI LONG-RASI

Asc-- 149.21- 29.21- Simh

Sun-- 157.01- 7.01-- Kanya

Merc- 172.43- 22.43- Kanya

Ven-- 146.22- 26.22- Simh

Mar-- 219.07- 9.07-- Vrischik

Jup-- 196.36- 16.36- Thula

Sat-- 178.35- 28.35- Kanya

Moo-- 234.22- 24.22- Vrischik

Rah-- 75.29-- 15.29- Mithun

Ket-- 255.29- 15.29- Dhanu

Gul-- 115.16- 25.16- Karkat

6:18AM

Asc-- 156.37- 6.37-- Kanya

Sun-- 157.03- 7.03-- Kanya

Merc- 172.43- 22.43- Kanya

Ven-- 146.24- 26.24- Simh

Mar-- 219.08- 9.08-- Vrischik

Jup-- 196.36- 16.36- Thula

Sat-- 178.36- 28.36- Kanya

Moo-- 234.39- 24.39- Vrischik

Rah-- 75.29-- 15.29- Mithun

Ket-- 255.29- 15.29- Dhanu

Gul-- 115.16- 25.16- Karkat

Raman Ayanama

5:45AM

Asc-- 150.48- 0.48-- Kanya

Sun-- 158.28- 8.28-- Kanya

Merc- 174.1-- 24.1-- Kanya

Ven-- 147.49- 27.49- Simh

Mar-- 220.34- 10.34- Vrischik

Jup-- 198.02- 18.02- Thula

Sat-- 180.02- 0.02-- Thula

Moo-- 235.49- 25.49- Vrischik

Rah-- 76.55-- 16.55- Mithun

Ket-- 256.55- 16.55- Dhanu

Gul-- 118.02- 28.02- Karkat

6:18AM

Asc-- 158.04- 8.04-- Kanya

Sun-- 158.29- 8.29-- Kanya

Merc- 174.1-- 24.1-- Kanya

Ven-- 147.5-- 27.5-- Simh

Mar-- 220.35- 10.35- Vrischik

Jup-- 198.03- 18.03- Thula

Sat-- 180.02- 0.02-- Thula

Moo-- 236.05- 26.05- Vrischik

Rah-- 76.55-- 16.55- Mithun

Ket-- 256.55- 16.55- Dhanu

Gul-- 118.02- 28.02- Karkat

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

____________ _________ _________ __

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

Thu, December 10, 2009 1:41:22 PM

Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Dear Suresh ji,, Krishna ji,

true we cant find such comments based one a particular fancy or leaning and with

no mention if the sw is a standad product I've seen some s/w give errors on slow

moving grahas sani, Kuja even JHora has some diff with respect to Parashara

Light, Visual jyotish and what we r using with ICAS, IAS and my team have worked

with

IAS was 1st started by K ashwattappa Indian astrological studies, is still

functioning in chennai and later its members were part of the INITIAL team of

ICAS co-founded by B V RAMAN ji iad joined it just at that time

i did my classical works training under ashwatappa and c a padnabham in IAS

only.

B5 ICAS came up with its sylabus.

on the s/w I have read sri KN RAO ji saw for Indian bron use s/w developed in

India and for American ones sue the american developed ones this is max I can

understand, may be as more of local cordinates database is available in

respective developed countries for good calculations, else can't find logic here

too

but PL has over 15 laks places all over the world and uses a good atlas.

PRASHANT

I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non

Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth

data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in

the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside

the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group

for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow

s & tbl=6

____________ _________ _________ __

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

Thu, December 10, 2009 11:49:25 AM

Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Dear Bharat,

This is weirdest case I have come across about tob correction and allegations

against computerised horoscopes by local astrologers.

what zero degree chane is he talking about?

If your recorded time 5:45AM make the chart for that time only. Let him believe

whatever he wants.

Your time will not chage to 6:18AM.

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

____________ _________ _________ __

bharat <bharat_9m (AT) (DOT) co.in>

Thu, December 10, 2009 12:44:59 AM

Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Hi,

I am Bharat and working as a software professional in bangalore.

My date of Birth is 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM Hissar(Harayana)

If my Lagan chart is prepared using the date mentioned above it comes as

shown below:

Lagna Chart acc. to [ 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM ] Hissar(Harayana)

Ist House - No.5 -- ven

2nd House - No.6 -- sun, mer, sat

3rd House - No.7 -- jup

4th House - No.8 -- mar, moon

5th House - No.9 -- ketu

6th House - No.10 -- ---

7th House - No.11 -- ---

8th House - No.12 -- ---

9th House - No.1 -- ---

10th House - No.2 -- ---

11th House - No.3 -- rah

12th House - No.4 -- ---

According to our pandit jee for the above given date of birth there

was some Zero degree change occured which we need to consider.

He said computer can not make accurate kundli as it don't consider the

above fact.

According to him computer will give the below chart if the time is

changed to 06:18 Am

and my date of birth will become then 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM

Hissar(Harayana)

My Lagna Chart acc to [ 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) as

follows:

Ist House - No.6 -- Sun, Mer, Sat

2nd House - No.7 -- Jup

3rd House - No.8 -- Mar, Mon

4th House - No.9 -- Ket

5th House - No.10 -- ---

6th House - No.11 -- ---

7th House - No.12 -- ---

8th House - No.1 -- ---

9th House - No.2 -- ---

10th House - No.3 -- Rah

11th House - No.4 -- ---

12th House - No.5 -- Ven

Please guide me which lagan chart should i consider.

Thanks and Regards,

Bharat

December 10, 2009

Dear krishna ji & the member,

//But in this case the logic of the querent is misleading to me//

//we need only tell the person calculations made by pandit ji are not corrct in

this case.//

exactly. Present day softwares are much better after years of correcting the

bugs.

The native need not argue with the pandit jee unless he knows him personaly and

can put the matter in a nice way.

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

________________________________

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99

Thu, December 10, 2009 9:07:53 PM

Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Â

Dear Sir,

Often v come across problems in s/w.it is not new.But in this case the logic of

the querent is misleading to me.Atleast software person is better oriented to

know problem than a Pandit Jee.

In Chennai Kaliyur Narayanan used coputerised calculations as early as in

1989.This has bugs with referenece nakshtra padas.we used to take out charts in

199091 very similar westren pattern in Chennai.

Later Jyotish Vidya and PC AStro used to be very popular.I have a friend of mine

who is also member of the Group and in Senior Position in IBM gave me software

of PCAStro2001

THis is very good and gives good calculation of divisional charts.

Shri K.N.Rao uses Parasara Lite since 2001 on wards as he puts data and also

Indexes them for reference purpose.He also adopts prasna .

Foresight of Time Astrological magzine is very expensive and one of our member

in this group even now works with TimesA>M from SDA of hew Delhi.

Now v have good and standardised s/w.More or less they serve our purpose.we need

only tell the person calculations made by pandit ji are not corrct in this case.

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Â

--- On Thu, 12/10/09, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > wrote:

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Thursday, December 10, 2009, 6:05 AM

Â

Dear Suresh ji, Krishna ji,

true there r establised rules in both astronomy and trignometry and if one uses

any Engines like swiss ephimiris this saves trouble of re-checking them

in the early days when we were devloping the s/w on a 286 processor later 386

SX, 386 came AND VERY EXPENSIVE AT 1.2 LAKS A pc THE SX wa abetter bet at 64k

AND IT HAD PROBlems in suing FORTRAN 77 so needed a 386 PROCESSOR WE HAD A

SIMULATING S/W to di it and it started showing errors for all planets at tan 168

Deg which is hastha Nakshatra and all grahs in it went for a spin V RANDOMLY

REDOING THE CODE WAS A LABOROUS JOB EEACH TIME AERROR CAME

after the dasa varaga, shadbala levels other S/W from US came in indian s/w wa v

much more expensive

wipro had come with some 48k s/w and FORESIGHT witha 2.5 lak franchise s/w

these did forces us to work our s/w once the US products came in at USD300 it

did beat the local ones who came from 1500 upwards

Muthu swami has been part of the Astrovision s.w that also comes close to 65k

complete kit in one language and more languages r added each yr at 10-15k a

Language

so s/w development isa bug business till Jhora and Mytrayes dream came in free

simpler online versions in hinduastrology. com, indianastrology. com etc did

offer rasi, navamsa, dasas and gen results

this member can do well and try them and check his theory there as all will show

what we r talking off and he will not find his pundis values in them

to change the time by nearly 30 min is ridicilous to call it a error correction

when the s/w itself needs correction

prashant

I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non

Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth

data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in

the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside

the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group

for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow

s & tbl=6

____________ _________ _________ __

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

Thu, December 10, 2009 4:10:51 PM

Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Dear Krishna ji,

Just because someone is working as software professional need not mean that he

should know anything about the intricacies of Astrology or its computations.

Computation of planetory positions is not simple mathematics. It is advanced

trignometry coupled with several other factors, particularly regarding

traditional Indian Astrology. which make it far more complicated.

regards A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

____________ _________ _________ __

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

Thu, December 10, 2009 3:18:17 PM

Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

If the soft ware person( as one asking) can not explain,Pandit ji who change

timing can never be able to explain.

we r beating the bush

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

--- On Thu, 12/10/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Thursday, December 10, 2009, 4:16 AM

Dear Prashant ji,

Here the question is regarding the correct TOB and " Zero crossing over " and

HENCE the TOB should be 6:18 instead of 5:45AM. a difference of 33mnts.

What is this zero crossing over? Is it planets at the edge of signs?

I have given below the planetory positions for both the times as per lahiri &

raman ayanamsa.

As per Lahiri it is impossible for the planet positions to have changed as he

had stated within 33 mnts except that of lagna.

However as per Raman Ayanamsa, Saturn has crossed to Thula sign but not on that

day.

The point is even if the planets has crossed to other sign, assuming that

software is wrong, how does it alter the TOB?.

Lahiri Ayanamsa.

5:45AM

PLANET- LONG- RASI LONG-RASI

Asc-- 149.21- 29.21- Simh

Sun-- 157.01- 7.01-- Kanya

Merc- 172.43- 22.43- Kanya

Ven-- 146.22- 26.22- Simh

Mar-- 219.07- 9.07-- Vrischik

Jup-- 196.36- 16.36- Thula

Sat-- 178.35- 28.35- Kanya

Moo-- 234.22- 24.22- Vrischik

Rah-- 75.29-- 15.29- Mithun

Ket-- 255.29- 15.29- Dhanu

Gul-- 115.16- 25.16- Karkat

6:18AM

Asc-- 156.37- 6.37-- Kanya

Sun-- 157.03- 7.03-- Kanya

Merc- 172.43- 22.43- Kanya

Ven-- 146.24- 26.24- Simh

Mar-- 219.08- 9.08-- Vrischik

Jup-- 196.36- 16.36- Thula

Sat-- 178.36- 28.36- Kanya

Moo-- 234.39- 24.39- Vrischik

Rah-- 75.29-- 15.29- Mithun

Ket-- 255.29- 15.29- Dhanu

Gul-- 115.16- 25.16- Karkat

Raman Ayanama

5:45AM

Asc-- 150.48- 0.48-- Kanya

Sun-- 158.28- 8.28-- Kanya

Merc- 174.1-- 24.1-- Kanya

Ven-- 147.49- 27.49- Simh

Mar-- 220.34- 10.34- Vrischik

Jup-- 198.02- 18.02- Thula

Sat-- 180.02- 0.02-- Thula

Moo-- 235.49- 25.49- Vrischik

Rah-- 76.55-- 16.55- Mithun

Ket-- 256.55- 16.55- Dhanu

Gul-- 118.02- 28.02- Karkat

6:18AM

Asc-- 158.04- 8.04-- Kanya

Sun-- 158.29- 8.29-- Kanya

Merc- 174.1-- 24.1-- Kanya

Ven-- 147.5-- 27.5-- Simh

Mar-- 220.35- 10.35- Vrischik

Jup-- 198.03- 18.03- Thula

Sat-- 180.02- 0.02-- Thula

Moo-- 236.05- 26.05- Vrischik

Rah-- 76.55-- 16.55- Mithun

Ket-- 256.55- 16.55- Dhanu

Gul-- 118.02- 28.02- Karkat

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

____________ _________ _________ __

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

Thu, December 10, 2009 1:41:22 PM

Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Dear Suresh ji,, Krishna ji,

true we cant find such comments based one a particular fancy or leaning and with

no mention if the sw is a standad product I've seen some s/w give errors on slow

moving grahas sani, Kuja even JHora has some diff with respect to Parashara

Light, Visual jyotish and what we r using with ICAS, IAS and my team have worked

with

IAS was 1st started by K ashwattappa Indian astrological studies, is still

functioning in chennai and later its members were part of the INITIAL team of

ICAS co-founded by B V RAMAN ji iad joined it just at that time

i did my classical works training under ashwatappa and c a padnabham in IAS

only.

B5 ICAS came up with its sylabus.

on the s/w I have read sri KN RAO ji saw for Indian bron use s/w developed in

India and for American ones sue the american developed ones this is max I can

understand, may be as more of local cordinates database is available in

respective developed countries for good calculations, else can't find logic here

too

but PL has over 15 laks places all over the world and uses a good atlas.

PRASHANT

I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non

Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth

data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in

the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside

the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group

for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow

s & tbl=6

____________ _________ _________ __

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

Thu, December 10, 2009 11:49:25 AM

Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Dear Bharat,

This is weirdest case I have come across about tob correction and allegations

against computerised horoscopes by local astrologers.

what zero degree chane is he talking about?

If your recorded time 5:45AM make the chart for that time only. Let him believe

whatever he wants.

Your time will not chage to 6:18AM.

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

____________ _________ _________ __

bharat <bharat_9m (AT) (DOT) co.in>

Thu, December 10, 2009 12:44:59 AM

Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Hi,

I am Bharat and working as a software professional in bangalore.

My date of Birth is 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM Hissar(Harayana)

If my Lagan chart is prepared using the date mentioned above it comes as

shown below:

Lagna Chart acc. to [ 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM ] Hissar(Harayana)

Ist House - No.5 -- ven

2nd House - No.6 -- sun, mer, sat

3rd House - No.7 -- jup

4th House - No.8 -- mar, moon

5th House - No.9 -- ketu

6th House - No.10 -- ---

7th House - No.11 -- ---

8th House - No.12 -- ---

9th House - No.1 -- ---

10th House - No.2 -- ---

11th House - No.3 -- rah

12th House - No.4 -- ---

According to our pandit jee for the above given date of birth there

was some Zero degree change occured which we need to consider.

He said computer can not make accurate kundli as it don't consider the

above fact.

According to him computer will give the below chart if the time is

changed to 06:18 Am

and my date of birth will become then 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM

Hissar(Harayana)

My Lagna Chart acc to [ 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) as

follows:

Ist House - No.6 -- Sun, Mer, Sat

2nd House - No.7 -- Jup

3rd House - No.8 -- Mar, Mon

4th House - No.9 -- Ket

5th House - No.10 -- ---

6th House - No.11 -- ---

7th House - No.12 -- ---

8th House - No.1 -- ---

9th House - No.2 -- ---

10th House - No.3 -- Rah

11th House - No.4 -- ---

12th House - No.5 -- Ven

Please guide me which lagan chart should i consider.

Thanks and Regards,

Bharat

December 10, 2009

Suresh ji

ur last line sums up the thread well

this person or pundit as he claims can;t surely substiantate anything logically

or verifiable

and tru many s/w gives too many calculation options as the basic planetry info

can be used any no of ways once calculated

and parashara light has show we can generate 17k+ combinations for a chart

reading which none of us can really recall anytime

this even if we know more than the s/w as most of it is karma related and

INTUTION of the astrologer plays a role the key is the sincereity of the

queries, the karma status of the individual on that day and the resources of the

astrologer I mean his time, mental faculties work with almighty's grace alone

who is the boss between the astrologer and the queriest.

We also used c++ later and stopped short of windows as the code can work on a

front end of windows anytime but as said having seen the ones come up need to go

further was given up our calculations match well to them and have used uptp

32ned decimal which is not needed anway 2nd is good enough in most cases but

creating a fine end was attempted to see for any research on twins, multiple

births etc.where the shastiamsa, nadiamsa if at all in border levels can make a

diff but time for such studies and a team r needed as well

prashant

..- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

/database?method=reportRows & tbl=6

________________________________

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag

Thu, December 10, 2009 6:34:03 PM

Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Dear Prashant ji,

I developed Astrology software on a 386 with 10mB hardrive way before jHora came

to light.

I used Turbo c++ for computing planetory positions & clipper for frontend, far

more advanced than the astrovision and much more accurate also. In fact, I was

to write my own code due to inefficiencies of other softwares available then. I

have later ported it to Windows platform and has much needed features for

prediction based in Traditional Astrology.

The accuracy of software depends on the accuracy of the code used. There could

be errors, but nothing that could not be corrected, if you know what you are

doing. The problem is many, just copy the code somebody had written, which may

contain errors, but would not know how to correct them.

Further, Software enables us to display numerous data, most of which are useless

for practical astrology. The only help it does is to confuse the newcommer in

the pretence of modernisation of Astrology.

However, none of the above is relevant in this case.

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

____________ _________ _________ __

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

Thu, December 10, 2009 4:35:30 PM

Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Dear Suresh ji, Krishna ji,

true there r establised rules in both astronomy and trignometry and if one uses

any Engines like swiss ephimiris this saves trouble of re-checking them

in the early days when we were devloping the s/w on a 286 processor later 386

SX, 386 came AND VERY EXPENSIVE AT 1.2 LAKS A pc THE SX wa abetter bet at 64k

AND IT HAD PROBlems in suing FORTRAN 77 so needed a 386 PROCESSOR WE HAD A

SIMULATING S/W to di it and it started showing errors for all planets at tan 168

Deg which is hastha Nakshatra and all grahs in it went for a spin V RANDOMLY

REDOING THE CODE WAS A LABOROUS JOB EEACH TIME AERROR CAME

after the dasa varaga, shadbala levels other S/W from US came in indian s/w wa v

much more expensive

wipro had come with some 48k s/w and FORESIGHT witha 2.5 lak franchise s/w

these did forces us to work our s/w once the US products came in at USD300 it

did beat the local ones who came from 1500 upwards

Muthu swami has been part of the Astrovision s.w that also comes close to 65k

complete kit in one language and more languages r added each yr at 10-15k a

Language

so s/w development isa bug business till Jhora and Mytrayes dream came in free

simpler online versions in hinduastrology. com, indianastrology. com etc did

offer rasi, navamsa, dasas and gen results

this member can do well and try them and check his theory there as all will show

what we r talking off and he will not find his pundis values in them

to change the time by nearly 30 min is ridicilous to call it a error correction

when the s/w itself needs correction

prashant

I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non

Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth

data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in

the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside

the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group

for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow

s & tbl=6

____________ _________ _________ __

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

Thu, December 10, 2009 4:10:51 PM

Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Dear Krishna ji,

Just because someone is working as software professional need not mean that he

should know anything about the intricacies of Astrology or its computations.

Computation of planetory positions is not simple mathematics. It is advanced

trignometry coupled with several other factors, particularly regarding

traditional Indian Astrology. which make it far more complicated.

regards A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

____________ _________ _________ __

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

Thu, December 10, 2009 3:18:17 PM

Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

If the soft ware person( as one asking) can not explain,Pandit ji who change

timing can never be able to explain.

we r beating the bush

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

--- On Thu, 12/10/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Thursday, December 10, 2009, 4:16 AM

Dear Prashant ji,

Here the question is regarding the correct TOB and " Zero crossing over " and

HENCE the TOB should be 6:18 instead of 5:45AM. a difference of 33mnts.

What is this zero crossing over? Is it planets at the edge of signs?

I have given below the planetory positions for both the times as per lahiri &

raman ayanamsa.

As per Lahiri it is impossible for the planet positions to have changed as he

had stated within 33 mnts except that of lagna.

However as per Raman Ayanamsa, Saturn has crossed to Thula sign but not on that

day.

The point is even if the planets has crossed to other sign, assuming that

software is wrong, how does it alter the TOB?.

Lahiri Ayanamsa.

5:45AM

PLANET- LONG- RASI LONG-RASI

Asc-- 149.21- 29.21- Simh

Sun-- 157.01- 7.01-- Kanya

Merc- 172.43- 22.43- Kanya

Ven-- 146.22- 26.22- Simh

Mar-- 219.07- 9.07-- Vrischik

Jup-- 196.36- 16.36- Thula

Sat-- 178.35- 28.35- Kanya

Moo-- 234.22- 24.22- Vrischik

Rah-- 75.29-- 15.29- Mithun

Ket-- 255.29- 15.29- Dhanu

Gul-- 115.16- 25.16- Karkat

6:18AM

Asc-- 156.37- 6.37-- Kanya

Sun-- 157.03- 7.03-- Kanya

Merc- 172.43- 22.43- Kanya

Ven-- 146.24- 26.24- Simh

Mar-- 219.08- 9.08-- Vrischik

Jup-- 196.36- 16.36- Thula

Sat-- 178.36- 28.36- Kanya

Moo-- 234.39- 24.39- Vrischik

Rah-- 75.29-- 15.29- Mithun

Ket-- 255.29- 15.29- Dhanu

Gul-- 115.16- 25.16- Karkat

Raman Ayanama

5:45AM

Asc-- 150.48- 0.48-- Kanya

Sun-- 158.28- 8.28-- Kanya

Merc- 174.1-- 24.1-- Kanya

Ven-- 147.49- 27.49- Simh

Mar-- 220.34- 10.34- Vrischik

Jup-- 198.02- 18.02- Thula

Sat-- 180.02- 0.02-- Thula

Moo-- 235.49- 25.49- Vrischik

Rah-- 76.55-- 16.55- Mithun

Ket-- 256.55- 16.55- Dhanu

Gul-- 118.02- 28.02- Karkat

6:18AM

Asc-- 158.04- 8.04-- Kanya

Sun-- 158.29- 8.29-- Kanya

Merc- 174.1-- 24.1-- Kanya

Ven-- 147.5-- 27.5-- Simh

Mar-- 220.35- 10.35- Vrischik

Jup-- 198.03- 18.03- Thula

Sat-- 180.02- 0.02-- Thula

Moo-- 236.05- 26.05- Vrischik

Rah-- 76.55-- 16.55- Mithun

Ket-- 256.55- 16.55- Dhanu

Gul-- 118.02- 28.02- Karkat

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

____________ _________ _________ __

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

Thu, December 10, 2009 1:41:22 PM

Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Dear Suresh ji,, Krishna ji,

true we cant find such comments based one a particular fancy or leaning and with

no mention if the sw is a standad product I've seen some s/w give errors on slow

moving grahas sani, Kuja even JHora has some diff with respect to Parashara

Light, Visual jyotish and what we r using with ICAS, IAS and my team have worked

with

IAS was 1st started by K ashwattappa Indian astrological studies, is still

functioning in chennai and later its members were part of the INITIAL team of

ICAS co-founded by B V RAMAN ji iad joined it just at that time

i did my classical works training under ashwatappa and c a padnabham in IAS

only.

B5 ICAS came up with its sylabus.

on the s/w I have read sri KN RAO ji saw for Indian bron use s/w developed in

India and for American ones sue the american developed ones this is max I can

understand, may be as more of local cordinates database is available in

respective developed countries for good calculations, else can't find logic here

too

but PL has over 15 laks places all over the world and uses a good atlas.

PRASHANT

I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non

Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth

data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in

the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside

the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group

for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow

s & tbl=6

____________ _________ _________ __

Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

Thu, December 10, 2009 11:49:25 AM

Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Dear Bharat,

This is weirdest case I have come across about tob correction and allegations

against computerised horoscopes by local astrologers.

what zero degree chane is he talking about?

If your recorded time 5:45AM make the chart for that time only. Let him believe

whatever he wants.

Your time will not chage to 6:18AM.

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

____________ _________ _________ __

bharat <bharat_9m (AT) (DOT) co.in>

Thu, December 10, 2009 12:44:59 AM

Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Hi,

I am Bharat and working as a software professional in bangalore.

My date of Birth is 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM Hissar(Harayana)

If my Lagan chart is prepared using the date mentioned above it comes as

shown below:

Lagna Chart acc. to [ 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM ] Hissar(Harayana)

Ist House - No.5 -- ven

2nd House - No.6 -- sun, mer, sat

3rd House - No.7 -- jup

4th House - No.8 -- mar, moon

5th House - No.9 -- ketu

6th House - No.10 -- ---

7th House - No.11 -- ---

8th House - No.12 -- ---

9th House - No.1 -- ---

10th House - No.2 -- ---

11th House - No.3 -- rah

12th House - No.4 -- ---

According to our pandit jee for the above given date of birth there

was some Zero degree change occured which we need to consider.

He said computer can not make accurate kundli as it don't consider the

above fact.

According to him computer will give the below chart if the time is

changed to 06:18 Am

and my date of birth will become then 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM

Hissar(Harayana)

My Lagna Chart acc to [ 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) as

follows:

Ist House - No.6 -- Sun, Mer, Sat

2nd House - No.7 -- Jup

3rd House - No.8 -- Mar, Mon

4th House - No.9 -- Ket

5th House - No.10 -- ---

6th House - No.11 -- ---

7th House - No.12 -- ---

8th House - No.1 -- ---

9th House - No.2 -- ---

10th House - No.3 -- Rah

11th House - No.4 -- ---

12th House - No.5 -- Ven

Please guide me which lagan chart should i consider.

Thanks and Regards,

Bharat

December 11, 2009

Krishnan Dada,

Let us not worry about the local or the global. Suffice it to say that you are a

very kind person and a " GOOD " astrologer and just leave it at that :-)

RR_,

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Rohini Ji and Members,

> ,The suggestion of Dada in spired me to add fw concerns in my mind.

> Good Jyotish,Bad jyotishÂ or one from locality,next door or else where are

for the needful to think and determine.At least the JR has no concern.where v

can contribute we should not.where v find byond scope better to keep quiet and

leave to the wisdom of the people in need.V have no role to judge.

> I do not know whether i can be a " local " astrologer.Good that v leave such

matter to allow/encourage such ideas.Still my mind haunts whether Iam a global

astrologer or local astrologer or a claim a JR astrologer

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Â

>

> --- On Wed, 12/9/09, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

> Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

>

> Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 9:35 PM

>

> Â

>

> Excellent advice to all of them, Sudhir JEE! The problem is: How do they find

one, locally or elsewhere?

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " Sudhir " <taurus.sudhir@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bharat & list,

> >

> > You should contact some good jyotish in your area to satisfy your queries.

> > Donot use this forum to raise personal questions.

> >

> > Regards

> > Sudhir

> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> >

> > -

> > bharat

> >

> > Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:44 AM

> > Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I am Bharat and working as a software professional in bangalore.

> >

> > My date of Birth is 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM Hissar(Harayana)

> >

> > If my Lagan chart is prepared using the date mentioned above it comes as

> > shown below:

> >

> > Lagna Chart acc. to [ 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM ] Hissar(Harayana)

> >

> > Ist House - No.5 -- ven

> > 2nd House - No.6 -- sun, mer, sat

> > 3rd House - No.7 -- jup

> > 4th House - No.8 -- mar, moon

> > 5th House - No.9 -- ketu

> > 6th House - No.10 -- ---

> > 7th House - No.11 -- ---

> > 8th House - No.12 -- ---

> > 9th House - No.1 -- ---

> > 10th House - No.2 -- ---

> > 11th House - No.3 -- rah

> > 12th House - No.4 -- ---

> >

> > According to our pandit jee for the above given date of birth there

> > was some Zero degree change occured which we need to consider.

> >

> > He said computer can not make accurate kundli as it don't consider the

> > above fact.

> > According to him computer will give the below chart if the time is

> > changed to 06:18 Am

> > and my date of birth will become then 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM

> > Hissar(Harayana)

> >

> > My Lagna Chart acc to [ 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) as

> > follows:

> >

> > Ist House - No.6 -- Sun, Mer, Sat

> > 2nd House - No.7 -- Jup

> > 3rd House - No.8 -- Mar, Mon

> > 4th House - No.9 -- Ket

> > 5th House - No.10 -- ---

> > 6th House - No.11 -- ---

> > 7th House - No.12 -- ---

> > 8th House - No.1 -- ---

> > 9th House - No.2 -- ---

> > 10th House - No.3 -- Rah

> > 11th House - No.4 -- ---

> > 12th House - No.5 -- Ven

> >

> > Please guide me which lagan chart should i consider.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards,

> > Bharat

> >

December 11, 2009

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If your birthtime is 5:45 then use that, maybe that Jyotishi has

rectified the chart to next Lagna based on prashna, nimitta or questions.

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rohinicrystal pisze:

>

> Krishnan Dada,

>

> Let us not worry about the local or the global. Suffice it to say that

> you are a very kind person and a " GOOD " astrologer and just leave it

> at that :-)

>

> RR_,

>

> <%40>, Vattem Krishnan

> <bursar_99@. ..> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri Rohini Ji and Members,

> > ,The suggestion of Dada in spired me to add fw concerns in my mind.

> > Good Jyotish,Bad jyotishÃ‚ or one from locality,next door or else

> where are for the needful to think and determine.At least the JR has

> no concern.where v can contribute we should not.where v find byond

> scope better to keep quiet and leave to the wisdom of the people in

> need.V have no role to judge.

> > I do not know whether i can be a " local " astrologer.Good that v

> leave such matter to allow/encourage such ideas.Still my mind haunts

> whether Iam a global astrologer or local astrologer or a claim a JR

> astrologer

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Ã‚

> >

> > --- On Wed, 12/9/09, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

> >

> <%40>

> > Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 9:35 PM

> >

> > Ã‚

> >

> > Excellent advice to all of them, Sudhir JEE! The problem is: How do

> they find one, locally or elsewhere?

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " Sudhir " <taurus.sudhir@

> ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bharat & list,

> > >

> > > You should contact some good jyotish in your area to satisfy your

> queries.

> > > Donot use this forum to raise personal questions.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Sudhir

> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> > >

> > > -

> > > bharat

> > >

> > > Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:44 AM

> > > Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > I am Bharat and working as a software professional in bangalore.

> > >

> > > My date of Birth is 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM Hissar(Harayana)

> > >

> > > If my Lagan chart is prepared using the date mentioned above it

> comes as

> > > shown below:

> > >

> > > Lagna Chart acc. to [ 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM ] Hissar(Harayana)

> > >

> > > Ist House - No.5 -- ven

> > > 2nd House - No.6 -- sun, mer, sat

> > > 3rd House - No.7 -- jup

> > > 4th House - No.8 -- mar, moon

> > > 5th House - No.9 -- ketu

> > > 6th House - No.10 -- ---

> > > 7th House - No.11 -- ---

> > > 8th House - No.12 -- ---

> > > 9th House - No.1 -- ---

> > > 10th House - No.2 -- ---

> > > 11th House - No.3 -- rah

> > > 12th House - No.4 -- ---

> > >

> > > According to our pandit jee for the above given date of birth there

> > > was some Zero degree change occured which we need to consider.

> > >

> > > He said computer can not make accurate kundli as it don't consider the

> > > above fact.

> > > According to him computer will give the below chart if the time is

> > > changed to 06:18 Am

> > > and my date of birth will become then 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM

> > > Hissar(Harayana)

> > >

> > > My Lagna Chart acc to [ 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) as

> > > follows:

> > >

> > > Ist House - No.6 -- Sun, Mer, Sat

> > > 2nd House - No.7 -- Jup

> > > 3rd House - No.8 -- Mar, Mon

> > > 4th House - No.9 -- Ket

> > > 5th House - No.10 -- ---

> > > 6th House - No.11 -- ---

> > > 7th House - No.12 -- ---

> > > 8th House - No.1 -- ---

> > > 9th House - No.2 -- ---

> > > 10th House - No.3 -- Rah

> > > 11th House - No.4 -- ---

> > > 12th House - No.5 -- Ven

> > >

> > > Please guide me which lagan chart should i consider.

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards,

> > > Bharat

> > >

December 11, 2009

Agreed! And this *bush* does not even have the initials 'G.W' and hence any

'battery' or aggression would constitute as cruelty towards innocent Software!

;-)

RR_,

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> If the soft ware person( as one asking) can not explain,Pandit ji who change

timing can never be able to explain.

> we r beating the bush

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Â

>

> --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote:

>

> Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag

> Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

>

> Thursday, December 10, 2009, 4:16 AM

>

> Â

>

> Dear Prashant ji,

>

> Here the question is regarding the correct TOB and " Zero crossing over " and

HENCE the TOB should be 6:18 instead of 5:45AM. a difference of 33mnts.

>

> What is this zero crossing over? Is it planets at the edge of signs?

> I have given below the planetory positions for both the times as per lahiri &

raman ayanamsa.

>

> As per Lahiri it is impossible for the planet positions to have changed as he

had stated within 33 mnts except that of lagna.

>

> However as per Raman Ayanamsa, Saturn has crossed to Thula sign but not on

that day.

>

> The point is even if the planets has crossed to other sign, assuming that

software is wrong, how does it alter the TOB?.

>

> Lahiri Ayanamsa.

> 5:45AM

> PLANET-Â LONG-Â RASI LONG-RASI

> Asc--Â 149.21-Â 29.21-Â Simh

> Sun--Â 157.01-Â 7.01--Â Kanya

> Merc-Â 172.43-Â 22.43-Â Kanya

> Ven--Â 146.22-Â 26.22-Â Simh

> Mar--Â 219.07-Â 9.07--Â Vrischik

> Jup--Â 196.36-Â 16.36-Â Thula

> Sat--Â 178.35-Â 28.35-Â Kanya

> Moo--Â 234.22-Â 24.22-Â Vrischik

> Rah--Â 75.29--Â 15.29-Â Mithun

> Ket--Â 255.29-Â 15.29-Â Dhanu

> Gul--Â 115.16-Â 25.16-Â Karkat

> 6:18AM

> Asc--Â 156.37-Â 6.37--Â Kanya

> Sun--Â 157.03-Â 7.03--Â Kanya

> Merc-Â 172.43-Â 22.43-Â Kanya

> Ven--Â 146.24-Â 26.24-Â Simh

> Mar--Â 219.08-Â 9.08--Â Vrischik

> Jup--Â 196.36-Â 16.36-Â Thula

> Sat--Â 178.36-Â 28.36-Â Kanya

> Moo--Â 234.39-Â 24.39-Â Vrischik

> Rah--Â 75.29--Â 15.29-Â Mithun

> Ket--Â 255.29-Â 15.29-Â Dhanu

> Gul--Â 115.16-Â 25.16-Â Karkat

> Raman Ayanama

> 5:45AM

> Asc--Â 150.48-Â 0.48--Â Kanya

> Sun--Â 158.28- 8.28--Â Kanya

> Merc-Â 174.1--Â 24.1--Â Kanya

> Ven--Â 147.49-Â 27.49-Â Simh

> Mar--Â 220.34-Â 10.34-Â Vrischik

> Jup--Â 198.02-Â 18.02-Â Thula

> Sat--Â 180.02-Â 0.02--Â Thula

> Moo--Â 235.49-Â 25.49-Â Vrischik

> Rah--Â 76.55--Â 16.55-Â Mithun

> Ket--Â 256.55-Â 16.55-Â Dhanu

> Gul--Â 118.02-Â 28.02-Â Karkat

> 6:18AM

> Asc--Â 158.04-Â 8.04--Â Kanya

> Sun--Â 158.29-Â 8.29--Â Kanya

> Merc-Â 174.1--Â 24.1--Â Kanya

> Ven--Â 147.5--Â 27.5--Â Simh

> Mar--Â 220.35-Â 10.35-Â Vrischik

> Jup--Â 198.03-Â 18.03-Â Thula

> Sat--Â 180.02-Â 0.02--Â Thula

> Moo--Â 236.05-Â 26.05-Â Vrischik

> Rah--Â 76.55--Â 16.55-Â Mithun

> Ket--Â 256.55-Â 16.55-Â Dhanu

> Gul--Â 118.02-Â 28.02-Â Karkat

>

> Â A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

>

> Thu, December 10, 2009 1:41:22 PM

> Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

>

> Â

> Dear Suresh ji,, Krishna ji,

>

> true we cant find such comments based one a particular fancy or leaning and

with no mention if the sw is a standad product I've seen some s/w give errors on

slow moving grahas sani, Kuja even JHora has some diff with respect to Parashara

Light, Visual jyotish and what we r using with ICAS, IAS and my team have worked

with

>

> IAS was 1st started by K ashwattappa Indian astrological studies, is still

functioning in chennai and later its members were part of the INITIAL team of

ICAS co-founded by B V RAMAN ji iad joined it just at that time

>

> i did my classical works training under ashwatappa and c a padnabham in IAS

only.

> B5 ICAS came up with its sylabus.

>

> on the s/w I have read sri KN RAO ji saw for Indian bron use s/w developed in

India and for American ones sue the american developed ones this is max I can

understand, may be as more of local cordinates database is available in

respective developed countries for good calculations, else can't find logic here

too

>

> but PL has over 15 laks places all over the world and uses a good atlas.

>

> PRASHANT

>

> I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non

Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth

data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in

the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside

the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group

for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow

s & tbl=6

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

>

> Thu, December 10, 2009 11:49:25 AM

> Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

>

> Dear Bharat,

>

> This is weirdest case I have come across about tob correction and allegations

against computerised horoscopes by local astrologers.

>

> what zero degree chane is he talking about?

>

> If your recorded time 5:45AM make the chart for that time only. Let him

believe whatever he wants.

>

> Your time will not chage to 6:18AM.

>

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> bharat <bharat_9m (AT) (DOT) co.in>

>

> Thu, December 10, 2009 12:44:59 AM

> Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

>

> Hi,

>

> I am Bharat and working as a software professional in bangalore.

>

> My date of Birth is 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM Hissar(Harayana)

>

> If my Lagan chart is prepared using the date mentioned above it comes as

> shown below:

>

> Lagna Chart acc. to [ 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM ] Hissar(Harayana)

>

> Ist House - No.5 -- ven

> 2nd House - No.6 -- sun, mer, sat

> 3rd House - No.7 -- jup

> 4th House - No.8 -- mar, moon

> 5th House - No.9 -- ketu

> 6th House - No.10 -- ---

> 7th House - No.11 -- ---

> 8th House - No.12 -- ---

> 9th House - No.1 -- ---

> 10th House - No.2 -- ---

> 11th House - No.3 -- rah

> 12th House - No.4 -- ---

>

> According to our pandit jee for the above given date of birth there

> was some Zero degree change occured which we need to consider.

>

> He said computer can not make accurate kundli as it don't consider the

> above fact.

> According to him computer will give the below chart if the time is

> changed to 06:18 Am

> and my date of birth will become then 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM

> Hissar(Harayana)

>

> My Lagna Chart acc to [ 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) as

> follows:

>

> Ist House - No.6 -- Sun, Mer, Sat

> 2nd House - No.7 -- Jup

> 3rd House - No.8 -- Mar, Mon

> 4th House - No.9 -- Ket

> 5th House - No.10 -- ---

> 6th House - No.11 -- ---

> 7th House - No.12 -- ---

> 8th House - No.1 -- ---

> 9th House - No.2 -- ---

> 10th House - No.3 -- Rah

> 11th House - No.4 -- ---

> 12th House - No.5 -- Ven

>

> Please guide me which lagan chart should i consider.

>

> Thanks and Regards,

> Bharat

>

December 11, 2009

Exactly! Perhaps the very reason why faulty software exists!

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag

wrote:

>

> Dear Krishna ji,

>

> Just because someone is working as software professional need not mean that he

should know anything about the intricacies of Astrology or its computations.

>

> Computation ofÂ planetory positions is not simple mathematics. It is advanced

trignometry coupled with several otherÂ factors, particularly regarding

traditional Indian Astrology. which make it far more complicated. Â

>

> regardsÂ A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> ________________________________

> Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99

>

> Thu, December 10, 2009 3:18:17 PM

> Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

>

> Â

> If the soft ware person( as one asking) can not explain,Pandit ji who change

timing can never be able to explain.

> we r beating the bush

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Â

>

> --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

>

> Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

> Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

>

> Thursday, December 10, 2009, 4:16 AM

>

> Â

>

> Dear Prashant ji,

>

> Here the question is regarding the correct TOB and " Zero crossing over " and

HENCE the TOB should be 6:18 instead of 5:45AM. a difference of 33mnts.

>

> What is this zero crossing over? Is it planets at the edge of signs?

> I have given below the planetory positions for both the times as per lahiri &

raman ayanamsa.

>

> As per Lahiri it is impossible for the planet positions to have changed as he

had stated within 33 mnts except that of lagna.

>

> However as per Raman Ayanamsa, Saturn has crossed to Thula sign but not on

that day.

>

> The point is even if the planets has crossed to other sign, assuming that

software is wrong, how does it alter the TOB?.

>

> Lahiri Ayanamsa.

> 5:45AM

> PLANET-Â LONG-Â RASI LONG-RASI

> Asc--Â 149.21-Â 29.21-Â Simh

> Sun--Â 157.01-Â 7.01--Â Kanya

> Merc-Â 172.43-Â 22.43-Â Kanya

> Ven--Â 146.22-Â 26.22-Â Simh

> Mar--Â 219.07-Â 9.07--Â Vrischik

> Jup--Â 196.36-Â 16.36-Â Thula

> Sat--Â 178.35-Â 28.35-Â Kanya

> Moo--Â 234.22-Â 24.22-Â Vrischik

> Rah--Â 75.29--Â 15.29-Â Mithun

> Ket--Â 255.29-Â 15.29-Â Dhanu

> Gul--Â 115.16-Â 25.16-Â Karkat

> 6:18AM

> Asc--Â 156.37-Â 6.37--Â Kanya

> Sun--Â 157.03-Â 7.03--Â Kanya

> Merc-Â 172.43-Â 22.43-Â Kanya

> Ven--Â 146.24-Â 26.24-Â Simh

> Mar--Â 219.08-Â 9.08--Â Vrischik

> Jup--Â 196.36-Â 16.36-Â Thula

> Sat--Â 178.36-Â 28.36-Â Kanya

> Moo--Â 234.39-Â 24.39-Â Vrischik

> Rah--Â 75.29--Â 15.29-Â Mithun

> Ket--Â 255.29-Â 15.29-Â Dhanu

> Gul--Â 115.16-Â 25.16-Â Karkat

> Raman Ayanama

> 5:45AM

> Asc--Â 150.48-Â 0.48--Â Kanya

> Sun--Â 158.28- 8.28--Â Kanya

> Merc-Â 174.1--Â 24.1--Â Kanya

> Ven--Â 147.49-Â 27.49-Â Simh

> Mar--Â 220.34-Â 10.34-Â Vrischik

> Jup--Â 198.02-Â 18.02-Â Thula

> Sat--Â 180.02-Â 0.02--Â Thula

> Moo--Â 235.49-Â 25.49-Â Vrischik

> Rah--Â 76.55--Â 16.55-Â Mithun

> Ket--Â 256.55-Â 16.55-Â Dhanu

> Gul--Â 118.02-Â 28.02-Â Karkat

> 6:18AM

> Asc--Â 158.04-Â 8.04--Â Kanya

> Sun--Â 158.29-Â 8.29--Â Kanya

> Merc-Â 174.1--Â 24.1--Â Kanya

> Ven--Â 147.5--Â 27.5--Â Simh

> Mar--Â 220.35-Â 10.35-Â Vrischik

> Jup--Â 198.03-Â 18.03-Â Thula

> Sat--Â 180.02-Â 0.02--Â Thula

> Moo--Â 236.05-Â 26.05-Â Vrischik

> Rah--Â 76.55--Â 16.55-Â Mithun

> Ket--Â 256.55-Â 16.55-Â Dhanu

> Gul--Â 118.02-Â 28.02-Â Karkat

>

> Â A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

>

> Thu, December 10, 2009 1:41:22 PM

> Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

>

> Â

> Dear Suresh ji,, Krishna ji,

>

> true we cant find such comments based one a particular fancy or leaning and

with no mention if the sw is a standad product I've seen some s/w give errors on

slow moving grahas sani, Kuja even JHora has some diff with respect to Parashara

Light, Visual jyotish and what we r using with ICAS, IAS and my team have worked

with

>

> IAS was 1st started by K ashwattappa Indian astrological studies, is still

functioning in chennai and later its members were part of the INITIAL team of

ICAS co-founded by B V RAMAN ji iad joined it just at that time

>

> i did my classical works training under ashwatappa and c a padnabham in IAS

only.

> B5 ICAS came up with its sylabus.

>

> on the s/w I have read sri KN RAO ji saw for Indian bron use s/w developed in

India and for American ones sue the american developed ones this is max I can

understand, may be as more of local cordinates database is available in

respective developed countries for good calculations, else can't find logic here

too

>

> but PL has over 15 laks places all over the world and uses a good atlas.

>

> PRASHANT

>

> I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non

Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth

data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in

the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside

the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group

for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow

s & tbl=6

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

>

> Thu, December 10, 2009 11:49:25 AM

> Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

>

> Dear Bharat,

>

> This is weirdest case I have come across about tob correction and allegations

against computerised horoscopes by local astrologers.

>

> what zero degree chane is he talking about?

>

> If your recorded time 5:45AM make the chart for that time only. Let him

believe whatever he wants.

>

> Your time will not chage to 6:18AM.

>

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> bharat <bharat_9m (AT) (DOT) co.in>

>

> Thu, December 10, 2009 12:44:59 AM

> Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

>

> Hi,

>

> I am Bharat and working as a software professional in bangalore.

>

> My date of Birth is 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM Hissar(Harayana)

>

> If my Lagan chart is prepared using the date mentioned above it comes as

> shown below:

>

> Lagna Chart acc. to [ 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM ] Hissar(Harayana)

>

> Ist House - No.5 -- ven

> 2nd House - No.6 -- sun, mer, sat

> 3rd House - No.7 -- jup

> 4th House - No.8 -- mar, moon

> 5th House - No.9 -- ketu

> 6th House - No.10 -- ---

> 7th House - No.11 -- ---

> 8th House - No.12 -- ---

> 9th House - No.1 -- ---

> 10th House - No.2 -- ---

> 11th House - No.3 -- rah

> 12th House - No.4 -- ---

>

> According to our pandit jee for the above given date of birth there

> was some Zero degree change occured which we need to consider.

>

> He said computer can not make accurate kundli as it don't consider the

> above fact.

> According to him computer will give the below chart if the time is

> changed to 06:18 Am

> and my date of birth will become then 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM

> Hissar(Harayana)

>

> My Lagna Chart acc to [ 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) as

> follows:

>

> Ist House - No.6 -- Sun, Mer, Sat

> 2nd House - No.7 -- Jup

> 3rd House - No.8 -- Mar, Mon

> 4th House - No.9 -- Ket

> 5th House - No.10 -- ---

> 6th House - No.11 -- ---

> 7th House - No.12 -- ---

> 8th House - No.1 -- ---

> 9th House - No.2 -- ---

> 10th House - No.3 -- Rah

> 11th House - No.4 -- ---

> 12th House - No.5 -- Ven

>

> Please guide me which lagan chart should i consider.

>

> Thanks and Regards,

> Bharat

>

December 11, 2009

Haha! You are going to get a kick out of reading this, Suresh ji! I am not a

programmer by any stretch of imagination but back in very early 80s, I modified

the BASIC routines published by Michael Erlewine to create a simple program for

personal use on a Timex/Sinclair ZX-81 Computer! And then used it on the CBM

platform, then MSDOS until I acquired a commercial software in early 90s!

Apalled at the errors in simple shadbala calculations, moved to another and

another and another software etc.

I personally do not think that the problem lies in the basic calculation engines

for longitudes etc. All perform and have always performed fine whether it be

Erlewine's routines or Duffett-Smith's routines or Swiss Ephemeris, Goravani,

Visual Jyotish, Parashara Light blah blah blah! There have been some notable

problems with the atlas coordinates though!

The problems always arose in what the programs did next! Since jyotishis (of

import and weight) have used different ways of calculating Jyotish factors the

software vendors had to accommodate and incorporate the different ways of

'skinning the cat' (OOPS!) and that is where the jyotish software exposed its

Achilles' Heel! And perhaps still does!

RR

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag

wrote:

>

> Dear Prashant ji,

>

> I developed Astrology software on a 386 with 10mB hardrive way before jHora

came to light.

>

> I used Turbo c++ for computing planetory positions & clipper for frontend, far

more advanced than the astrovision and much more accurate also. In fact, I was

to write my own code due to inefficiencies of other softwares available then. I

have later ported it to Windows platform andÂ has much needed features for

prediction based in Traditional Astrology.

> Â Â

> The accuracy of softwareÂ depends on the accuracy of the code used. There

could be errors, but nothingÂ that could not be corrected, if you know what you

are doing. The problem is many, just copy the code somebody had written, which

may contain errors, but would not know how to correct them.

>

> Further,Â Software enables us to display numerous data,Â most of which are

useless for practical astrology. The only help it does is to confuse the

newcommer in the pretence of modernisation of Astrology.

>

> However, none of the above is relevant in this case.

>

> Â Â Â Â Â A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> ________________________________

> Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar

>

> Thu, December 10, 2009 4:35:30 PM

> Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

>

> Â

> Dear Suresh ji, Krishna ji,

>

> true there r establised rules in both astronomy and trignometry and if one

uses any Engines like swiss ephimiris this saves trouble of re-checking them

>

> in the early days when we were devloping the s/w on a 286 processor later 386

SX, 386 came AND VERY EXPENSIVE AT 1.2 LAKS A pc THE SX wa abetter bet at 64k

> AND IT HAD PROBlems in suing FORTRAN 77 so needed a 386 PROCESSOR WE HAD A

SIMULATING S/W to di it and it started showing errors for all planets at tan 168

Deg which is hastha Nakshatra and all grahs in it went for a spin V RANDOMLY

REDOING THE CODE WAS A LABOROUS JOB EEACH TIME AERROR CAME

>

> after the dasa varaga, shadbala levels other S/W from US came in indian s/w wa

v much more expensive

>

> wipro had come with some 48k s/w and FORESIGHT witha 2.5 lak franchise s/w

> these did forces us to work our s/w once the US products came in at USD300 it

did beat the local ones who came from 1500 upwards

>

> Muthu swami has been part of the Astrovision s.w that also comes close to 65k

complete kit in one language and more languages r added each yr at 10-15k a

Language

>

> so s/w development isa bug business till Jhora and Mytrayes dream came in free

> simpler online versions in hinduastrology. com, indianastrology. com etc did

offer rasi, navamsa, dasas and gen results

>

> this member can do well and try them and check his theory there as all will

show what we r talking off and he will not find his pundis values in them

> to change the time by nearly 30 min is ridicilous to call it a error

correction when the s/w itself needs correction

>

> prashant

>

> prashant

>

> I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non

Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth

data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in

the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside

the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group

for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow

s & tbl=6

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

>

> Thu, December 10, 2009 4:10:51 PM

> Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

>

> Dear Krishna ji,

>

> Just because someone is working as software professional need not mean that he

should know anything about the intricacies of Astrology or its computations.

>

> Computation of planetory positions is not simple mathematics. It is advanced

trignometry coupled with several other factors, particularly regarding

traditional Indian Astrology. which make it far more complicated.

>

> regards A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

>

> Thu, December 10, 2009 3:18:17 PM

> Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

>

> If the soft ware person( as one asking) can not explain,Pandit ji who change

timing can never be able to explain.

> we r beating the bush

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

>

> --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

>

> Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

> Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

>

> Thursday, December 10, 2009, 4:16 AM

>

> Dear Prashant ji,

>

> Here the question is regarding the correct TOB and " Zero crossing over " and

HENCE the TOB should be 6:18 instead of 5:45AM. a difference of 33mnts.

>

> What is this zero crossing over? Is it planets at the edge of signs?

> I have given below the planetory positions for both the times as per lahiri &

raman ayanamsa.

>

> As per Lahiri it is impossible for the planet positions to have changed as he

had stated within 33 mnts except that of lagna.

>

> However as per Raman Ayanamsa, Saturn has crossed to Thula sign but not on

that day.

>

> The point is even if the planets has crossed to other sign, assuming that

software is wrong, how does it alter the TOB?.

>

> Lahiri Ayanamsa.

> 5:45AM

> PLANET- LONG- RASI LONG-RASI

> Asc-- 149.21- 29.21- Simh

> Sun-- 157.01- 7.01-- Kanya

> Merc- 172.43- 22.43- Kanya

> Ven-- 146.22- 26.22- Simh

> Mar-- 219.07- 9.07-- Vrischik

> Jup-- 196.36- 16.36- Thula

> Sat-- 178.35- 28.35- Kanya

> Moo-- 234.22- 24.22- Vrischik

> Rah-- 75.29-- 15.29- Mithun

> Ket-- 255.29- 15.29- Dhanu

> Gul-- 115.16- 25.16- Karkat

> 6:18AM

> Asc-- 156.37- 6.37-- Kanya

> Sun-- 157.03- 7.03-- Kanya

> Merc- 172.43- 22.43- Kanya

> Ven-- 146.24- 26.24- Simh

> Mar-- 219.08- 9.08-- Vrischik

> Jup-- 196.36- 16.36- Thula

> Sat-- 178.36- 28.36- Kanya

> Moo-- 234.39- 24.39- Vrischik

> Rah-- 75.29-- 15.29- Mithun

> Ket-- 255.29- 15.29- Dhanu

> Gul-- 115.16- 25.16- Karkat

> Raman Ayanama

> 5:45AM

> Asc-- 150.48- 0.48-- Kanya

> Sun-- 158.28- 8.28-- Kanya

> Merc- 174.1-- 24.1-- Kanya

> Ven-- 147.49- 27.49- Simh

> Mar-- 220.34- 10.34- Vrischik

> Jup-- 198.02- 18.02- Thula

> Sat-- 180.02- 0.02-- Thula

> Moo-- 235.49- 25.49- Vrischik

> Rah-- 76.55-- 16.55- Mithun

> Ket-- 256.55- 16.55- Dhanu

> Gul-- 118.02- 28.02- Karkat

> 6:18AM

> Asc-- 158.04- 8.04-- Kanya

> Sun-- 158.29- 8.29-- Kanya

> Merc- 174.1-- 24.1-- Kanya

> Ven-- 147.5-- 27.5-- Simh

> Mar-- 220.35- 10.35- Vrischik

> Jup-- 198.03- 18.03- Thula

> Sat-- 180.02- 0.02-- Thula

> Moo-- 236.05- 26.05- Vrischik

> Rah-- 76.55-- 16.55- Mithun

> Ket-- 256.55- 16.55- Dhanu

> Gul-- 118.02- 28.02- Karkat

>

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

>

> Thu, December 10, 2009 1:41:22 PM

> Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

>

> Dear Suresh ji,, Krishna ji,

>

> true we cant find such comments based one a particular fancy or leaning and

with no mention if the sw is a standad product I've seen some s/w give errors on

slow moving grahas sani, Kuja even JHora has some diff with respect to Parashara

Light, Visual jyotish and what we r using with ICAS, IAS and my team have worked

with

>

> IAS was 1st started by K ashwattappa Indian astrological studies, is still

functioning in chennai and later its members were part of the INITIAL team of

ICAS co-founded by B V RAMAN ji iad joined it just at that time

>

> i did my classical works training under ashwatappa and c a padnabham in IAS

only.

> B5 ICAS came up with its sylabus.

>

> on the s/w I have read sri KN RAO ji saw for Indian bron use s/w developed in

India and for American ones sue the american developed ones this is max I can

understand, may be as more of local cordinates database is available in

respective developed countries for good calculations, else can't find logic here

too

>

> but PL has over 15 laks places all over the world and uses a good atlas.

>

> PRASHANT

>

> I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non

Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth

data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in

the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside

the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group

for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow

s & tbl=6

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

>

> Thu, December 10, 2009 11:49:25 AM

> Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

>

> Dear Bharat,

>

> This is weirdest case I have come across about tob correction and allegations

against computerised horoscopes by local astrologers.

>

> what zero degree chane is he talking about?

>

> If your recorded time 5:45AM make the chart for that time only. Let him

believe whatever he wants.

>

> Your time will not chage to 6:18AM.

>

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> bharat <bharat_9m (AT) (DOT) co.in>

>

> Thu, December 10, 2009 12:44:59 AM

> Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

>

> Hi,

>

> I am Bharat and working as a software professional in bangalore.

>

> My date of Birth is 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM Hissar(Harayana)

>

> If my Lagan chart is prepared using the date mentioned above it comes as

> shown below:

>

> Lagna Chart acc. to [ 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM ] Hissar(Harayana)

>

> Ist House - No.5 -- ven

> 2nd House - No.6 -- sun, mer, sat

> 3rd House - No.7 -- jup

> 4th House - No.8 -- mar, moon

> 5th House - No.9 -- ketu

> 6th House - No.10 -- ---

> 7th House - No.11 -- ---

> 8th House - No.12 -- ---

> 9th House - No.1 -- ---

> 10th House - No.2 -- ---

> 11th House - No.3 -- rah

> 12th House - No.4 -- ---

>

> According to our pandit jee for the above given date of birth there

> was some Zero degree change occured which we need to consider.

>

> He said computer can not make accurate kundli as it don't consider the

> above fact.

> According to him computer will give the below chart if the time is

> changed to 06:18 Am

> and my date of birth will become then 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM

> Hissar(Harayana)

>

> My Lagna Chart acc to [ 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) as

> follows:

>

> Ist House - No.6 -- Sun, Mer, Sat

> 2nd House - No.7 -- Jup

> 3rd House - No.8 -- Mar, Mon

> 4th House - No.9 -- Ket

> 5th House - No.10 -- ---

> 6th House - No.11 -- ---

> 7th House - No.12 -- ---

> 8th House - No.1 -- ---

> 9th House - No.2 -- ---

> 10th House - No.3 -- Rah

> 11th House - No.4 -- ---

> 12th House - No.5 -- Ven

>

> Please guide me which lagan chart should i consider.

>

> Thanks and Regards,

> Bharat

>

December 11, 2009

Dear Rohini ji,

Sinclair that I came across surely kicked me. I wanted to kick back, but could

not at that time. Had to wait till I could personaly afford an HCL and dear Bill

Gates.

Â

//Â incorporate the different ways of 'skinning the cat' (OOPS!) and that is

where the jyotish software exposed its Achilles' Heel! And perhaps still does!//

correct.

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

________________________________

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Fri, December 11, 2009 6:41:35 AM

Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Â

Haha! You are going to get a kick out of reading this, Suresh ji! I am not a

programmer by any stretch of imagination but back in very early 80s, I modified

the BASIC routines published by Michael Erlewine to create a simple program for

personal use on a Timex/Sinclair ZX-81 Computer! And then used it on the CBM

platform, then MSDOS until I acquired a commercial software in early 90s!

Apalled at the errors in simple shadbala calculations, moved to another and

another and another software etc.

I personally do not think that the problem lies in the basic calculation engines

for longitudes etc. All perform and have always performed fine whether it be

Erlewine's routines or Duffett-Smith' s routines or Swiss Ephemeris, Goravani,

Visual Jyotish, Parashara Light blah blah blah! There have been some notable

problems with the atlas coordinates though!

The problems always arose in what the programs did next! Since jyotishis (of

import and weight) have used different ways of calculating Jyotish factors the

software vendors had to accommodate and incorporate the different ways of

'skinning the cat' (OOPS!) and that is where the jyotish software exposed its

Achilles' Heel! And perhaps still does!

RR

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Prashant ji,

>

> I developed Astrology software on a 386 with 10mB hardrive way before jHora

came to light.

>

> I used Turbo c++ for computing planetory positions & clipper for frontend, far

more advanced than the astrovision and much more accurate also. In fact, I was

to write my own code due to inefficiencies of other softwares available then. I

have later ported it to Windows platform andÃ‚Â has much needed features for

prediction based in Traditional Astrology.

> Ã‚Â Ã‚Â

> The accuracy of softwareÃ‚Â depends on the accuracy of the code used. There

could be errors, but nothingÃ‚Â that could not be corrected, if you know what

you are doing. The problem is many, just copy the code somebody had written,

which may contain errors, but would not know how to correct them.

>

> Further,Ã‚Â Software enables us to display numerous data,Ã‚Â most of which are

useless for practical astrology. The only help it does is to confuse the

newcommer in the pretence of modernisation of Astrology.

>

> However, none of the above is relevant in this case.

>

> Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..>

>

> Thu, December 10, 2009 4:35:30 PM

> Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

>

> Ã‚Â

> Dear Suresh ji, Krishna ji,

>

> true there r establised rules in both astronomy and trignometry and if one

uses any Engines like swiss ephimiris this saves trouble of re-checking them

>

> in the early days when we were devloping the s/w on a 286 processor later 386

SX, 386 came AND VERY EXPENSIVE AT 1.2 LAKS A pc THE SX wa abetter bet at 64k

> AND IT HAD PROBlems in suing FORTRAN 77 so needed a 386 PROCESSOR WE HAD A

SIMULATING S/W to di it and it started showing errors for all planets at tan 168

Deg which is hastha Nakshatra and all grahs in it went for a spin V RANDOMLY

REDOING THE CODE WAS A LABOROUS JOB EEACH TIME AERROR CAME

>

> after the dasa varaga, shadbala levels other S/W from US came in indian s/w wa

v much more expensive

>

> wipro had come with some 48k s/w and FORESIGHT witha 2.5 lak franchise s/w

> these did forces us to work our s/w once the US products came in at USD300 it

did beat the local ones who came from 1500 upwards

>

> Muthu swami has been part of the Astrovision s.w that also comes close to 65k

complete kit in one language and more languages r added each yr at 10-15k a

Language

>

> so s/w development isa bug business till Jhora and Mytrayes dream came in free

> simpler online versions in hinduastrology. com, indianastrology. com etc did

offer rasi, navamsa, dasas and gen results

>

> this member can do well and try them and check his theory there as all will

show what we r talking off and he will not find his pundis values in them

> to change the time by nearly 30 min is ridicilous to call it a error

correction when the s/w itself needs correction

>

> prashant

>

> prashant

>

> I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non

Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth

data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in

the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside

the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group

for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow

s & tbl=6

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

>

> Thu, December 10, 2009 4:10:51 PM

> Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

>

> Dear Krishna ji,

>

> Just because someone is working as software professional need not mean that he

should know anything about the intricacies of Astrology or its computations.

>

> Computation of planetory positions is not simple mathematics. It is advanced

trignometry coupled with several other factors, particularly regarding

traditional Indian Astrology. which make it far more complicated.

>

> regards A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

>

> Thu, December 10, 2009 3:18:17 PM

> Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

>

> If the soft ware person( as one asking) can not explain,Pandit ji who change

timing can never be able to explain.

> we r beating the bush

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

>

> --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

>

> Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

> Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

>

> Thursday, December 10, 2009, 4:16 AM

>

> Dear Prashant ji,

>

> Here the question is regarding the correct TOB and " Zero crossing over " and

HENCE the TOB should be 6:18 instead of 5:45AM. a difference of 33mnts.

>

> What is this zero crossing over? Is it planets at the edge of signs?

> I have given below the planetory positions for both the times as per lahiri &

raman ayanamsa.

>

> As per Lahiri it is impossible for the planet positions to have changed as he

had stated within 33 mnts except that of lagna.

>

> However as per Raman Ayanamsa, Saturn has crossed to Thula sign but not on

that day.

>

> The point is even if the planets has crossed to other sign, assuming that

software is wrong, how does it alter the TOB?.

>

> Lahiri Ayanamsa.

> 5:45AM

> PLANET- LONG- RASI LONG-RASI

> Asc-- 149.21- 29.21- Simh

> Sun-- 157.01- 7.01-- Kanya

> Merc- 172.43- 22.43- Kanya

> Ven-- 146.22- 26.22- Simh

> Mar-- 219.07- 9.07-- Vrischik

> Jup-- 196.36- 16.36- Thula

> Sat-- 178.35- 28.35- Kanya

> Moo-- 234.22- 24.22- Vrischik

> Rah-- 75.29-- 15.29- Mithun

> Ket-- 255.29- 15.29- Dhanu

> Gul-- 115.16- 25.16- Karkat

> 6:18AM

> Asc-- 156.37- 6.37-- Kanya

> Sun-- 157.03- 7.03-- Kanya

> Merc- 172.43- 22.43- Kanya

> Ven-- 146.24- 26.24- Simh

> Mar-- 219.08- 9.08-- Vrischik

> Jup-- 196.36- 16.36- Thula

> Sat-- 178.36- 28.36- Kanya

> Moo-- 234.39- 24.39- Vrischik

> Rah-- 75.29-- 15.29- Mithun

> Ket-- 255.29- 15.29- Dhanu

> Gul-- 115.16- 25.16- Karkat

> Raman Ayanama

> 5:45AM

> Asc-- 150.48- 0.48-- Kanya

> Sun-- 158.28- 8.28-- Kanya

> Merc- 174.1-- 24.1-- Kanya

> Ven-- 147.49- 27.49- Simh

> Mar-- 220.34- 10.34- Vrischik

> Jup-- 198.02- 18.02- Thula

> Sat-- 180.02- 0.02-- Thula

> Moo-- 235.49- 25.49- Vrischik

> Rah-- 76.55-- 16.55- Mithun

> Ket-- 256.55- 16.55- Dhanu

> Gul-- 118.02- 28.02- Karkat

> 6:18AM

> Asc-- 158.04- 8.04-- Kanya

> Sun-- 158.29- 8.29-- Kanya

> Merc- 174.1-- 24.1-- Kanya

> Ven-- 147.5-- 27.5-- Simh

> Mar-- 220.35- 10.35- Vrischik

> Jup-- 198.03- 18.03- Thula

> Sat-- 180.02- 0.02-- Thula

> Moo-- 236.05- 26.05- Vrischik

> Rah-- 76.55-- 16.55- Mithun

> Ket-- 256.55- 16.55- Dhanu

> Gul-- 118.02- 28.02- Karkat

>

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

>

> Thu, December 10, 2009 1:41:22 PM

> Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

>

> Dear Suresh ji,, Krishna ji,

>

> true we cant find such comments based one a particular fancy or leaning and

with no mention if the sw is a standad product I've seen some s/w give errors on

slow moving grahas sani, Kuja even JHora has some diff with respect to Parashara

Light, Visual jyotish and what we r using with ICAS, IAS and my team have worked

with

>

> IAS was 1st started by K ashwattappa Indian astrological studies, is still

functioning in chennai and later its members were part of the INITIAL team of

ICAS co-founded by B V RAMAN ji iad joined it just at that time

>

> i did my classical works training under ashwatappa and c a padnabham in IAS

only.

> B5 ICAS came up with its sylabus.

>

> on the s/w I have read sri KN RAO ji saw for Indian bron use s/w developed in

India and for American ones sue the american developed ones this is max I can

understand, may be as more of local cordinates database is available in

respective developed countries for good calculations, else can't find logic here

too

>

> but PL has over 15 laks places all over the world and uses a good atlas.

>

> PRASHANT

>

> I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non

Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth

data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in

the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside

the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group

for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow

s & tbl=6

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

>

> Thu, December 10, 2009 11:49:25 AM

> Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

>

> Dear Bharat,

>

> This is weirdest case I have come across about tob correction and allegations

against computerised horoscopes by local astrologers.

>

> what zero degree chane is he talking about?

>

> If your recorded time 5:45AM make the chart for that time only. Let him

believe whatever he wants.

>

> Your time will not chage to 6:18AM.

>

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> bharat <bharat_9m (AT) (DOT) co.in>

>

> Thu, December 10, 2009 12:44:59 AM

> Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

>

> Hi,

>

> I am Bharat and working as a software professional in bangalore.

>

> My date of Birth is 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM Hissar(Harayana)

>

> If my Lagan chart is prepared using the date mentioned above it comes as

> shown below:

>

> Lagna Chart acc. to [ 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM ] Hissar(Harayana)

>

> Ist House - No.5 -- ven

> 2nd House - No.6 -- sun, mer, sat

> 3rd House - No.7 -- jup

> 4th House - No.8 -- mar, moon

> 5th House - No.9 -- ketu

> 6th House - No.10 -- ---

> 7th House - No.11 -- ---

> 8th House - No.12 -- ---

> 9th House - No.1 -- ---

> 10th House - No.2 -- ---

> 11th House - No.3 -- rah

> 12th House - No.4 -- ---

>

> According to our pandit jee for the above given date of birth there

> was some Zero degree change occured which we need to consider.

>

> He said computer can not make accurate kundli as it don't consider the

> above fact.

> According to him computer will give the below chart if the time is

> changed to 06:18 Am

> and my date of birth will become then 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM

> Hissar(Harayana)

>

> My Lagna Chart acc to [ 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) as

> follows:

>

> Ist House - No.6 -- Sun, Mer, Sat

> 2nd House - No.7 -- Jup

> 3rd House - No.8 -- Mar, Mon

> 4th House - No.9 -- Ket

> 5th House - No.10 -- ---

> 6th House - No.11 -- ---

> 7th House - No.12 -- ---

> 8th House - No.1 -- ---

> 9th House - No.2 -- ---

> 10th House - No.3 -- Rah

> 11th House - No.4 -- ---

> 12th House - No.5 -- Ven

>

> Please guide me which lagan chart should i consider.

>

> Thanks and Regards,

> Bharat

>

December 11, 2009

Sad to hear about your problems with the 12th house of Sinclair-Timex, Suresh

jee! For me, it was a pragmatic choice. New in a very different culture from

what I was used to, trying hard to learn and find livelihood and a place for

myself on a meagre stipend -- the 'cheap' computer (the first computer to be

sold under 100 dollars -- some 30 years before Bill Gates began to make his

Hooplaa about making available a computer to all in the world for less than 100

dollars -- although admittedly, what BG is offering would be way more powerful

than the ZX-8x that Sinclair did!) -- the HOT little computer (literally! It

generated so much speed especially when the 32K ram pack was added :-P that it

kept my coffee mug warm I KID you not!

It took me on an average about one hour to calculate a chart by hand, prop. log,

ephemerides, tables of ascendants, atlases, look up tables for vargas,

calculating padas on the fly and many more painful calculations! I almost gave

up trying to READ a chart after it got calculated, right away. " NATIS! " allowed

me to prepare the meal and eat it soon afterwards, FOR the first time in my

life! I am eternally grateful to MA for making that possible, back then in those

times when one worked alone -- burning the midnight lamp -- in silence and in

rapt attention!

As I worked through the millions of iterations, literally, I received many

important lessons and messages and information that stay with me today and

helped me become what I became.

Time and Effort are never wasted as long as one lives in the MOMENT!

Rohiniranjan

, " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag

wrote:

>

> Dear Rohini ji,

>

> Sinclair that I came across surely kicked me. I wanted to kick back, but could

not at that time. Had to wait till I could personaly afford an HCL and dear Bill

Gates.

> Â

> //Â incorporate the different ways of 'skinning the cat' (OOPS!) and that is

where the jyotish software exposed its Achilles' Heel! And perhaps still does!//

>

> correct.

> A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

> ________________________________

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

>

> Fri, December 11, 2009 6:41:35 AM

> Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

>

> Â

> Haha! You are going to get a kick out of reading this, Suresh ji! I am not a

programmer by any stretch of imagination but back in very early 80s, I modified

the BASIC routines published by Michael Erlewine to create a simple program for

personal use on a Timex/Sinclair ZX-81 Computer! And then used it on the CBM

platform, then MSDOS until I acquired a commercial software in early 90s!

Apalled at the errors in simple shadbala calculations, moved to another and

another and another software etc.

>

> I personally do not think that the problem lies in the basic calculation

engines for longitudes etc. All perform and have always performed fine whether

it be Erlewine's routines or Duffett-Smith' s routines or Swiss Ephemeris,

Goravani, Visual Jyotish, Parashara Light blah blah blah! There have been some

notable problems with the atlas coordinates though!

>

> The problems always arose in what the programs did next! Since jyotishis (of

import and weight) have used different ways of calculating Jyotish factors the

software vendors had to accommodate and incorporate the different ways of

'skinning the cat' (OOPS!) and that is where the jyotish software exposed its

Achilles' Heel! And perhaps still does!

>

> RR

>

> , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@

....> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Prashant ji,

> >

> > I developed Astrology software on a 386 with 10mB hardrive way before jHora

came to light.

> >

> > I used Turbo c++ for computing planetory positions & clipper for frontend,

far more advanced than the astrovision and much more accurate also. In fact, I

was to write my own code due to inefficiencies of other softwares available

then. I have later ported it to Windows platform andÃ‚Â has much needed features

for prediction based in Traditional Astrology.

> > Ã‚Â Ã‚Â

> > The accuracy of softwareÃ‚Â depends on the accuracy of the code used. There

could be errors, but nothingÃ‚Â that could not be corrected, if you know what

you are doing. The problem is many, just copy the code somebody had written,

which may contain errors, but would not know how to correct them.

> >

> > Further,Ã‚Â Software enables us to display numerous data,Ã‚Â most of which

are useless for practical astrology. The only help it does is to confuse the

newcommer in the pretence of modernisation of Astrology.

> >

> > However, none of the above is relevant in this case.

> >

> > Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..>

> >

> > Thu, December 10, 2009 4:35:30 PM

> > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

> >

> > Ã‚Â

> > Dear Suresh ji, Krishna ji,

> >

> > true there r establised rules in both astronomy and trignometry and if one

uses any Engines like swiss ephimiris this saves trouble of re-checking them

> >

> > in the early days when we were devloping the s/w on a 286 processor later

386 SX, 386 came AND VERY EXPENSIVE AT 1.2 LAKS A pc THE SX wa abetter bet at

64k

> > AND IT HAD PROBlems in suing FORTRAN 77 so needed a 386 PROCESSOR WE HAD A

SIMULATING S/W to di it and it started showing errors for all planets at tan 168

Deg which is hastha Nakshatra and all grahs in it went for a spin V RANDOMLY

REDOING THE CODE WAS A LABOROUS JOB EEACH TIME AERROR CAME

> >

> > after the dasa varaga, shadbala levels other S/W from US came in indian s/w

wa v much more expensive

> >

> > wipro had come with some 48k s/w and FORESIGHT witha 2.5 lak franchise s/w

> > these did forces us to work our s/w once the US products came in at USD300

it did beat the local ones who came from 1500 upwards

> >

> > Muthu swami has been part of the Astrovision s.w that also comes close to

65k complete kit in one language and more languages r added each yr at 10-15k a

Language

> >

> > so s/w development isa bug business till Jhora and Mytrayes dream came in

free

> > simpler online versions in hinduastrology. com, indianastrology. com etc did

offer rasi, navamsa, dasas and gen results

> >

> > this member can do well and try them and check his theory there as all will

show what we r talking off and he will not find his pundis values in them

> > to change the time by nearly 30 min is ridicilous to call it a error

correction when the s/w itself needs correction

> >

> > prashant

> >

> > prashant

> >

> > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non

Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth

data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in

the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside

the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group

for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

> >

> > Thu, December 10, 2009 4:10:51 PM

> > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

> >

> > Dear Krishna ji,

> >

> > Just because someone is working as software professional need not mean that

he should know anything about the intricacies of Astrology or its computations.

> >

> > Computation of planetory positions is not simple mathematics. It is advanced

trignometry coupled with several other factors, particularly regarding

traditional Indian Astrology. which make it far more complicated.

> >

> > regards A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

> >

> > Thu, December 10, 2009 3:18:17 PM

> > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

> >

> > If the soft ware person( as one asking) can not explain,Pandit ji who change

timing can never be able to explain.

> > we r beating the bush

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> >

> > --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:

> >

> > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

> > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

> >

> > Thursday, December 10, 2009, 4:16 AM

> >

> > Dear Prashant ji,

> >

> > Here the question is regarding the correct TOB and " Zero crossing over " and

HENCE the TOB should be 6:18 instead of 5:45AM. a difference of 33mnts.

> >

> > What is this zero crossing over? Is it planets at the edge of signs?

> > I have given below the planetory positions for both the times as per lahiri

& raman ayanamsa.

> >

> > As per Lahiri it is impossible for the planet positions to have changed as

he had stated within 33 mnts except that of lagna.

> >

> > However as per Raman Ayanamsa, Saturn has crossed to Thula sign but not on

that day.

> >

> > The point is even if the planets has crossed to other sign, assuming that

software is wrong, how does it alter the TOB?.

> >

> > Lahiri Ayanamsa.

> > 5:45AM

> > PLANET- LONG- RASI LONG-RASI

> > Asc-- 149.21- 29.21- Simh

> > Sun-- 157.01- 7.01-- Kanya

> > Merc- 172.43- 22.43- Kanya

> > Ven-- 146.22- 26.22- Simh

> > Mar-- 219.07- 9.07-- Vrischik

> > Jup-- 196.36- 16.36- Thula

> > Sat-- 178.35- 28.35- Kanya

> > Moo-- 234.22- 24.22- Vrischik

> > Rah-- 75.29-- 15.29- Mithun

> > Ket-- 255.29- 15.29- Dhanu

> > Gul-- 115.16- 25.16- Karkat

> > 6:18AM

> > Asc-- 156.37- 6.37-- Kanya

> > Sun-- 157.03- 7.03-- Kanya

> > Merc- 172.43- 22.43- Kanya

> > Ven-- 146.24- 26.24- Simh

> > Mar-- 219.08- 9.08-- Vrischik

> > Jup-- 196.36- 16.36- Thula

> > Sat-- 178.36- 28.36- Kanya

> > Moo-- 234.39- 24.39- Vrischik

> > Rah-- 75.29-- 15.29- Mithun

> > Ket-- 255.29- 15.29- Dhanu

> > Gul-- 115.16- 25.16- Karkat

> > Raman Ayanama

> > 5:45AM

> > Asc-- 150.48- 0.48-- Kanya

> > Sun-- 158.28- 8.28-- Kanya

> > Merc- 174.1-- 24.1-- Kanya

> > Ven-- 147.49- 27.49- Simh

> > Mar-- 220.34- 10.34- Vrischik

> > Jup-- 198.02- 18.02- Thula

> > Sat-- 180.02- 0.02-- Thula

> > Moo-- 235.49- 25.49- Vrischik

> > Rah-- 76.55-- 16.55- Mithun

> > Ket-- 256.55- 16.55- Dhanu

> > Gul-- 118.02- 28.02- Karkat

> > 6:18AM

> > Asc-- 158.04- 8.04-- Kanya

> > Sun-- 158.29- 8.29-- Kanya

> > Merc- 174.1-- 24.1-- Kanya

> > Ven-- 147.5-- 27.5-- Simh

> > Mar-- 220.35- 10.35- Vrischik

> > Jup-- 198.03- 18.03- Thula

> > Sat-- 180.02- 0.02-- Thula

> > Moo-- 236.05- 26.05- Vrischik

> > Rah-- 76.55-- 16.55- Mithun

> > Ket-- 256.55- 16.55- Dhanu

> > Gul-- 118.02- 28.02- Karkat

> >

> > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar >

> >

> > Thu, December 10, 2009 1:41:22 PM

> > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

> >

> > Dear Suresh ji,, Krishna ji,

> >

> > true we cant find such comments based one a particular fancy or leaning and

with no mention if the sw is a standad product I've seen some s/w give errors on

slow moving grahas sani, Kuja even JHora has some diff with respect to Parashara

Light, Visual jyotish and what we r using with ICAS, IAS and my team have worked

with

> >

> > IAS was 1st started by K ashwattappa Indian astrological studies, is still

functioning in chennai and later its members were part of the INITIAL team of

ICAS co-founded by B V RAMAN ji iad joined it just at that time

> >

> > i did my classical works training under ashwatappa and c a padnabham in IAS

only.

> > B5 ICAS came up with its sylabus.

> >

> > on the s/w I have read sri KN RAO ji saw for Indian bron use s/w developed

in India and for American ones sue the american developed ones this is max I can

understand, may be as more of local cordinates database is available in

respective developed countries for good calculations, else can't find logic here

too

> >

> > but PL has over 15 laks places all over the world and uses a good atlas.

> >

> > PRASHANT

> >

> > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non

Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth

data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in

the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside

the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group

for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >

> >

> > Thu, December 10, 2009 11:49:25 AM

> > Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

> >

> > Dear Bharat,

> >

> > This is weirdest case I have come across about tob correction and

allegations against computerised horoscopes by local astrologers.

> >

> > what zero degree chane is he talking about?

> >

> > If your recorded time 5:45AM make the chart for that time only. Let him

believe whatever he wants.

> >

> > Your time will not chage to 6:18AM.

> >

> > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > bharat <bharat_9m (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> >

> > Thu, December 10, 2009 12:44:59 AM

> > Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I am Bharat and working as a software professional in bangalore.

> >

> > My date of Birth is 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM Hissar(Harayana)

> >

> > If my Lagan chart is prepared using the date mentioned above it comes as

> > shown below:

> >

> > Lagna Chart acc. to [ 24 sep 1982 05:45 AM ] Hissar(Harayana)

> >

> > Ist House - No.5 -- ven

> > 2nd House - No.6 -- sun, mer, sat

> > 3rd House - No.7 -- jup

> > 4th House - No.8 -- mar, moon

> > 5th House - No.9 -- ketu

> > 6th House - No.10 -- ---

> > 7th House - No.11 -- ---

> > 8th House - No.12 -- ---

> > 9th House - No.1 -- ---

> > 10th House - No.2 -- ---

> > 11th House - No.3 -- rah

> > 12th House - No.4 -- ---

> >

> > According to our pandit jee for the above given date of birth there

> > was some Zero degree change occured which we need to consider.

> >

> > He said computer can not make accurate kundli as it don't consider the

> > above fact.

> > According to him computer will give the below chart if the time is

> > changed to 06:18 Am

> > and my date of birth will become then 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM

> > Hissar(Harayana)

> >

> > My Lagna Chart acc to [ 24 sep 1982 06:18 AM ] Hissar(Harayana) as

> > follows:

> >

> > Ist House - No.6 -- Sun, Mer, Sat

> > 2nd House - No.7 -- Jup

> > 3rd House - No.8 -- Mar, Mon

> > 4th House - No.9 -- Ket

> > 5th House - No.10 -- ---

> > 6th House - No.11 -- ---

> > 7th House - No.12 -- ---

> > 8th House - No.1 -- ---

> > 9th House - No.2 -- ---

> > 10th House - No.3 -- Rah

> > 11th House - No.4 -- ---

> > 12th House - No.5 -- Ven

> >

> > Please guide me which lagan chart should i consider.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards,

> > Bharat

> >

December 11, 2009

Â

Dear Friends,

I am these days toying with the idea to look into feasibility of hospital

managements to include in their s/w system to make out a lagna chart too most

voluntarily as it obviates the role of Pundits and lessen the antagonism for the

approaches he could deploy.

Further v r on the tarmac to handle and take care of the obvious implications

the palnets portend.

In this conncection my intrusion to add and MakeÂ Chowpaty ChatÂ

1When we got time to rock the chair,the past is always pleasent and takes us to

Disney Land to find that every thing you r in the reach of push button.

Now v r into push button astrology that allows us to do post mortem of many

cases and makes us ambivalent. to forget about Mahabharat Heroes and only

recollect the peron who has given us a vent to think of evolution of lagna chart

from manual to mind boggling stages.

2 " .Time and Effort are never wasted as long as one lives in the MOMENT! " wondeful

experiences come to the fore as our prime needs r no more there to be haunted as

Time and tide wait for none.

These Values are the reinfocements that can be understood and anlysed for push

button minds.Technology has contributed the seclusion and redundance of EQ/IQ

3.//many more painful calculations// paving way for some body to discover and

make the life more for livelihood.why any body should think of going to penance

and adopt spirtual inclinations.

4.//P that it kept my coffee Mug hot? again a value addition w/o disrupting the

7th house implications.Learning to live with time and not looking the 4th

dimension of Moksha

5..//MA for making that possible//at end of the day when eerieness around we

find time too think that some driving force eternally present that makes the

clock to tick and every one to rub off the past and get ready for thr next

day.This is the art and the fine ness of MA who always supports with out any

second thoughtÂ Â

Iam sure the guidnace on the thread is certainly a moment to speak out about

present,past and future of the jargons

Â

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Â

--- On Thu, 12/10/09, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Re: Need Guidance in Lagan Chart

Thursday, December 10, 2009, 9:45 PM